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Tstorms around and the first drop of rain for two weeks.<BR>
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Just had to do it!!!!!!!!!

On my web site (see below), in the 'Beacons' section, you will find
PCBCN.zip which is a simple Windoze utility that activates a COM port at
regular intervals   Specify repeat interval and offset in minutes, and the
Tx ON time in seconds, and it will set the RTS and DTR lines of your
specified COM port for the duration when the appropriate interval arrives.
That's all, no CW messages, no bells, no whistles, no warranty!

.. and its entirely up to you to somehow keep the PC clock accurate enough!

The prog was thrown together in VB6 this afternoon and barely tested enough
to ensure it did what it said on the tin.   I can't guarantee it will
function over midnight (at least not until tonight anyway :-) or how well it
will work on any PC.  It did run on two here though.

The full source code is supplied for anyone to look / inspect / / audit /
verify / play with / hack about.   Please don't ask for highly complicated
additions, bells, sirens, soundcard functionality etc etc.  And say thank
you to my employer for the few hours spent "self training in the art of
programming"

Andy  G4JNT
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On 10/02/2008, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> This is something that may be of interest  .. To a programmer or two or
> three ? There exists collectively the expertise, but can anyone see a way
> of
> producing the system?
>
>
>
> The idea  came initially from the 'Beacon Bedlam' , that existed south of
> Watford gap .. about the only time the skip distance on 500 was 'useful'
> in
> that band conditions in the north west where quite quiet, later to  prove
> a
> hindrance,
>
>
>
> There already exists a similar system on 5 Mhz , however the transmission
> sites are defined and  participation is only possible by 'passive
> reception'
> not too appealing for 'experimentation' This is a 'proposal' the concept
> is
> proven , but 'we' need the
> services of a programmer or two !! Similar thing's exist but are coded to
> use 'pics' ,
>
>
>
> One of the main criteria is , that 'anyone' with a windows based pc should
> be able to download and install the tx/rx  software and join in, be it as
> a
> TX station, simply claim a 'time slot' ,  or a passive observer being
> presented with all 5 slots as a amplitude/time plot.
>
>
>
> One of the  main attractions would be : TX stations will be able
> to  observe
> the other beacons in the chain , eliminating the lonely vigil of being in
> perm ante
>
> transmit mode, while providing , at a glance, band conditions  for all
> involved as well as reducing tx duty cycle time !
>
>
>
> The number of TX stations is proposed as 5 in the chain , more may be
> possible , but the time control factor may prove too difficult to achieve
> within windows , but cw type software in beacon mode would appear
> top  make
> a reasonable job of time control ?
>
> Click on
> http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project
> - or copy & paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't
> work.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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<div>Just had to do it!!!!!!!!!</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>On my web site (see below), in the &#39;Beacons&#39; section, you will find PCBCN.zip which is a simple Windoze utility that&nbsp;activates a COM port&nbsp;at regular intervals&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Specify repeat interval and offset in minutes, and the Tx&nbsp;ON time in seconds, and it will set the RTS and DTR lines of your specified COM port for the duration when the appropriate interval arrives.&nbsp; That&#39;s all, no CW messages, no bells, no&nbsp;whistles, no warranty! </div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>.. and its entirely up to you to somehow keep the PC clock accurate enough!</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The prog was thrown together in VB6 this afternoon&nbsp;and barely tested enough to ensure it did what it said on the tin.&nbsp;&nbsp; I can&#39;t guarantee it will function over midnight (at least not until tonight anyway :-) or how well it will work on any PC.&nbsp; It did run on two here though.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The full source code is supplied for anyone to look / inspect / / audit / verify / play with / hack about.&nbsp;&nbsp; Please don&#39;t ask for highly complicated additions, bells, sirens, soundcard functionality etc etc.&nbsp; And say thank you to my employer for the few hours spent &quot;self training in the art of programming&quot;</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Andy&nbsp; G4JNT</div>
<div><a href="http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt">www.scrbg.org/g4jnt</a></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><a href="http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/PCBCN.zip">www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/PCBCN.zip</a> </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/02/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">Graham</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk">g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi all,<br><br><br><br>This is something that may be of interest&nbsp;&nbsp;.. To a programmer or two or<br>three ? There exists collectively the expertise, but can anyone see a way of<br>
producing the system?<br><br><br><br>The idea&nbsp;&nbsp;came initially from the &#39;Beacon Bedlam&#39; , that existed south of<br>Watford gap .. about the only time the skip distance on 500 was &#39;useful&#39; in<br>that band conditions in the north west where quite quiet, later to&nbsp;&nbsp;prove a<br>
hindrance,<br><br><br><br>There already exists a similar system on 5 Mhz , however the transmission<br>sites are defined and&nbsp;&nbsp;participation is only possible by &#39;passive reception&#39;<br>not too appealing for &#39;experimentation&#39; This is a &#39;proposal&#39; the concept is<br>
proven , but &#39;we&#39; need the<br>services of a programmer or two !! Similar thing&#39;s exist but are coded to<br>use &#39;pics&#39; ,<br><br><br><br>One of the main criteria is , that &#39;anyone&#39; with a windows based pc should<br>
be able to download and install the tx/rx&nbsp;&nbsp;software and join in, be it as a<br>TX station, simply claim a &#39;time slot&#39; ,&nbsp;&nbsp;or a passive observer being<br>presented with all 5 slots as a amplitude/time plot.<br><br><br>
<br>One of the&nbsp;&nbsp;main attractions would be : TX stations will be able to&nbsp;&nbsp;observe<br>the other beacons in the chain , eliminating the lonely vigil of being in<br>perm ante<br><br>transmit mode, while providing , at a glance, band conditions&nbsp;&nbsp;for all<br>
involved as well as reducing tx duty cycle time !<br><br><br><br>The number of TX stations is proposed as 5 in the chain , more may be<br>possible , but the time control factor may prove too difficult to achieve<br>within windows , but cw type software in beacon mode would appear top&nbsp;&nbsp;make<br>
a reasonable job of time control ?<br><br>Click on <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project">http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project</a><br>- or copy &amp; paste it into your browser&#39;s address bar if that doesn&#39;t<br>
work.<br><br><br><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br>

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Laurence.
For info 9M2AX is calling cq on 1831 khz CW good signal, condx good, 500 mig=
ht also be good if there was any acty. I have worked him before so not bothe=
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73 de Mal/G3KEV

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Laurence KL1X=20
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  Subject: LF: A dB or more or less



  I dunno, but a dB can make a lot of difference here -every dB is in my min=
d is valuable as it gains that little s over n even at LF. As I have a BIG n=
  (sic) ill take that dB please.
  =20
  Long haul to Eu is still rather odd with deep QSB but peaks are good - con=
grats on getting the 184 across the pond.
  =20
  Looking forward to seeing and hearing some signals in a few weeks and gett=
ing away from the heat - Ill be mobile /5 Texas and Oklahoma and /KL7 for a=20=
couple of weeks in March.
  =20
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Has anyone looked to see if the Faros software by the same author can be 
adapted to automatically monitor LF beacons (hams, utility stations, NDBs)? 
Looks like a neat tool especially if you can load stations in place of the 
NCDXF HF beacons.

73 Warren K2ORS


----- Original Message ----- 
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> This software is reviewed in the March RadCom which posted to members
> today.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
> ==========
>
>> Not sure if this has been mentioned on this group but an interesting
>> piece of software by Alex, VE3NEA, called CW Skimmer has recently been
>> made available, see http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/
>>
>> Although the software costs $75 one can download a trial version (30
>> days). It's interesting to see that whilst away from the shack this
>> evening the program correctly identified G3KEV (501.9 at 19:35) and
>> also G0MRF (503.0 at 19:37).   The callsign picking routine must have
>> been designed for the HF bands, where the protocol is very mature, so
>> got a bit confused with the protocol used on 500kHz and eventually
>> decided that David callsign was IO91TK!
>>
>> It seems to need a reasonable S/N, but could be quite useful if one is
>> not able to personally monitor the band all of the time.  Have others
>> tried it?
>>
>> 73 John, G3WKL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> 



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Mal...and other T/A enthusiasts

I'm interested in additional W / EU contacts on 500 kHz. To date the only 
station I've worked is Finbar ... albeit on three occassions. It would be 
helpful if those interested would run periods in beacon mode (normal cw 
speed) so that I can listen for your signals. If I can hear your station, 
you should be able to hear mine...with the higher ERP from this end. 
Setting up a sked for a particular night at a particular time is unlikely to 
produce a QSO - conditions vary widely from day to day, hour to hour and 
even minute to minute over this path.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Nice qso g3/vo.
> Joe if you would like to try a cw qso xband before the winter runs out, 
> let
> me know , others might want to participate also.
> 73 de Mal/G3KEV
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Dodd" <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:37 AM
> Subject: LF: TA on 500kHz
>
>
>> Hello LFers,
>> I had a xband QSO with Joe, VO1NA at around 2230UTC this evening. My
>> QRSS3 transmission was on 501.193kHz. I listened for Joe on 7000.5kHz.
>> My report was M and I had to repeat his report of 569.
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter, G3LDO
>>
>>
>>
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James,



That's a interesting, report on your 'actual' findings  , I run a inverted 
'L' here as well, but alas not the 40 meter top , a little more like 40 feet 
! , but the top is a two wire capacity section spaced some 4 feet apart (no 
reason, that's how long the two conduit off cuts where) . From what I could 
gather, I think I have managed round 75 mW with 25 watts feed to  the atu at 
the base of the ae , this is based on comparisons with other stations, range 
reports  and the erp calculators.



In a linear situation  I doubt I could reach the power level required to 
attain 1 watt erp with such a short system, without replicating a small 
marine installation and even then it would be non-linear. A UK warship would 
only run  200/300  watts on  MF !



 Optimised  modelling of the system always dictates a much larger capacity 
section. In this situation increased wattage to the antenna looks to  be the 
only way to  enhance the signal, but from experience I doubt it will defeat 
the skip distance



I'm quite amused  at concept of running wattage levels well in to three 
figures to what amounts to a self confessed  high gain system , 400 watts is 
a quoted as the carrier level feeding the local MW multi channel transmitter 
! , perhaps half a gallon (us)  is  stretching the  plunger  a tad more than 
really necessary ?



G ..





----- Original Message ----- 
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> Dear Mal, Graham, LF Group,
>
> G3KEV wrote:
>> As a rough guide to get started, assume the average amateur antenna is 1%
>> efficient which is doubtful then you would need 100w fed to the antenna.
>> Since a more realistic efficiency figure might be 0.5% or less you would
>> need 200w.
>
> This is incorrect. The ERP could be calculated as:
>
> P(erp) = (TX power) x (Antenna efficiency) x (Antenna directivity)
>
> The directivity of a small vertical antenna over the dipole reference is a
> factor of 1.8 (2.6dB), so 100W into such an antenna with 1% efficiency 
> would
> give 1.8W ERP.
>
>>The average pa efficiency is about 50% therefore you would need
>> anything between 200 and 400watts dc input to get into the ball park and
>> generate 1w erp.
>
> For the class D or E PA stages many of us are using, 70% - 90% PA 
> efficiency
> would be more realistic.
>
>> A large 1/4 wave inv L antenna might only be 5%  efficient if you are
> lucky
>> at this freq, because the vertical part would normally only be a few
> metres
>> high with a very long horizontal part.
>> The antenna environment then needs consideration, buildings, trees,
> hedges,
>> other antenna wires in the vicinity.
>
> The field strength and impedance measurements I did on my own antenna at 
> my
> home QTH, basically an inverted L about 10m high and 40m long, gave an
> efficiency of about 0.6% at 500k, so I need around 90W TX to get 1W ERP.
> Increasing the height in the centre of the span to 14m roughly doubled the
> efficiency, which would reduce the power requirement to 45W. The
> environmental effects, giving rise to increased loss resistance and 
> reduced
> radiation resistance due to screening effects on the antenna by nearby
> objects, are quite large. The same 10m high antenna in an open field had
> about 3.6% efficiency, due to reduced environmental losses and screening, 
> so
> would only need 15W TX out for 1W ERP. The much bigger antennas at G3KEV
> should certainly have greater efficiency than my antennas, so would 
> probably
> only need a few watts from the transmitter to achieve 1W ERP - I guess the
> heaters of Mal's TT22s will be drawing more power than the anodes!
>
>>Your 1w erp might effectively be
>> reduced to  micro watts.
>> Check the near and far fields.
>
>> I recently removed a long wire rx antenna running near my 500 khz antenna
>> and gained 2 db.
>> The above info is a rough guide because every radio amateur installation
> is
>> different, the antenna efficiency is hard to determine, hence the erp.
>
> The antenna efficiency can't realistically be determined without field
> strength measurements - if these are not available, a better approach to
> estimating ERP is to calculate the radiation resistance of the antenna 
> from
> its dimensions (see formulas in RSGB handbook, LF today, ON7YD's antenna 
> web
> pages, etc.) Then the ERP can be estimated by measuring the antenna 
> current:
>
> P(erp) = 1.8 x Rrad x (Iant)^2
>
> This method inherently includes the effect of  loss resistance due to
> environmental effects, loading coil, etc. but does not include the 
> radiation
> resistance reduction due to the environment - but it is still a much 
> better
> estimate than trying to guess what the antenna efficiency will be.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi, LF

Thought I'd just have a look on 500 and I can currently (16:16 hrs 14/2)
hear G3UNT at about 20dB over my local noise floor, which at about 320km
away is pretty good for me in daylight on my 160m inverted L. I wonder what
ERP you are running, Brian?

Also heard G3KEV calling CQ a few minutes ago with a real S5.

73 de Mike G7AQA in Leeds.



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Hello all,

G0MRF 15 dB over the noise floor in JO11tm at 17:00 UTC.
Excellent aural copy.

Best regards,

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Graham,

   Some amateur radio distributors here sell kevlar rope for guying HF 
vertical antennas.
Would be careful if you are planning a high power 136kHz antenna though - 
I've burned through practically everything including Teflon!

73 Warren K2ORS


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Just been digging about ,  kevlar is not carbon fiber based and is a 
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Henny,

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Dear LF-MF enthusiasts!

I assume to make activity: 

- in evenings of Fri 29 Feb I'll give a beacon for the east from 15z up to 21z on 137,780 in QRRS60 

- on Mar, 1st I'll be ready for 2way 
also I plan to RX 500kHz, and is possible and xband QSOs 136/500 - probably in QRSS. how?

PSE give me present freqs of active stations on 500kHz

73! Ed RU6LA




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Hello  all on LF ,

Last night  :

very good  copy WD2XGJ ( visible until 09:30 utc !  )

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

The captures of night are with this URL :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

grabber at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm















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A problem with the scheme you suggest, Graham, is that PC clocks maintain
time badly, and will drift by several seconds overnight which makes a
mockery of the idea of precisely timed sequential listening.  They may be
able to acheive Internet synchronisation, but can this be set up to
automatically update at the rate you will need, ie. every hour or two based
on some of the clock drifts I have seen.

That is why the existing beacon chains, both 5MHz and the IBP set, use GPS
timing.  Passive receiving stations have their timekeeping reset by the
actual 5MHz transmissions themselves.  On your website, you do mention MSF
timing, but to do that in real time would consume another receiver /
soundcard channel.    GPS is the only obvious way to go for transmitting
stations.   PCs are not reknowned for their timekeeping abilities!

Otherwise, the software is straightforward, although rather a waste of a
PC.   If the GPS is available, then a =A31 PIC is all you need to control an=
d
key a standalone transmitter that doesn't need soundcard drive.

Andy  G4JNT
www.scrbg.org/g4jnt


On 10/02/2008, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> This is something that may be of interest  .. To a programmer or two or
> three ? There exists collectively the expertise, but can anyone see a way
> of
> producing the system?
>
>
> The idea  came initially from the 'Beacon Bedlam' , that existed south of
> Watford gap .. about the only time the skip distance on 500 was 'useful'
> in
> that band conditions in the north west where quite quiet, later to  prove
> a
> hindrance,
>
>
>
> There already exists a similar system on 5 Mhz , however the transmission
> sites are defined and  participation is only possible by 'passive
> reception'
> not too appealing for 'experimentation' This is a 'proposal' the concept
> is
> proven , but 'we' need the
> services of a programmer or two !! Similar thing's exist but are coded to
> use 'pics' ,
>
>
>
> One of the main criteria is , that 'anyone' with a windows based pc should
> be able to download and install the tx/rx  software and join in, be it as
> a
> TX station, simply claim a 'time slot' ,  or a passive observer being
> presented with all 5 slots as a amplitude/time plot.
>
>
>
> One of the  main attractions would be : TX stations will be able
> to  observe
> the other beacons in the chain , eliminating the lonely vigil of being in
> perm ante
>
> transmit mode, while providing , at a glance, band conditions  for all
> involved as well as reducing tx duty cycle time !
>
>
>
> The number of TX stations is proposed as 5 in the chain , more may be
> possible , but the time control factor may prove too difficult to achieve
> within windows , but cw type software in beacon mode would appear
> top  make
> a reasonable job of time control ?
>
> Click on
> http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project
> - or copy & paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't
> work.
>
>
>
>
>
>


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<div>A problem with the scheme you suggest, Graham, is that PC clocks mainta=
in time badly, and will drift by several seconds overnight&nbsp;which makes=20=
a mockery of the idea of precisely timed sequential listening.&nbsp; They ma=
y be able to acheive Internet synchronisation, but can this be set up to aut=
omatically update at the rate you will need, ie. every hour or two based on=20=
some of the clock drifts I have seen.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>That is why the existing beacon chains, both 5MHz and the IBP set, use=20=
GPS timing.&nbsp; Passive receiving stations have their timekeeping&nbsp;res=
et by the actual 5MHz transmissions themselves. &nbsp;On your website, you d=
o mention MSF timing, but to do that in real time would consume another rece=
iver / soundcard channel.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; GPS is the only obvious way to g=
o for transmitting stations.&nbsp;&nbsp; PCs are not reknowned for their tim=
ekeeping abilities!</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Otherwise, the software is straightforward,&nbsp;although rather a wast=
e of a PC.&nbsp;&nbsp; If the GPS is available, then a =A31 PIC is all you n=
eed to control and key a standalone&nbsp;transmitter that doesn&#39;t need s=
oundcard drive.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Andy&nbsp;&nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt">www.scr=
bg.org/g4jnt</a> </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 10/02/2008, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername=
">Graham</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk">g8fzk@g8fzk.fsne=
t.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi all,<br><br><br><br>This is som=
ething that may be of interest&nbsp;&nbsp;.. To a programmer or two or<br>th=
ree ? There exists collectively the expertise, but can anyone see a way of<b=
r>
producing the system?<br><br><br>The idea&nbsp;&nbsp;came initially from the=
 &#39;Beacon Bedlam&#39; , that existed south of<br>Watford gap .. about the=
 only time the skip distance on 500 was &#39;useful&#39; in<br>that band con=
ditions in the north west where quite quiet, later to&nbsp;&nbsp;prove a<br>
hindrance,<br><br><br><br>There already exists a similar system on 5 Mhz , h=
owever the transmission<br>sites are defined and&nbsp;&nbsp;participation is=
 only possible by &#39;passive reception&#39;<br>not too appealing for &#39;=
experimentation&#39; This is a &#39;proposal&#39; the concept is<br>
proven , but &#39;we&#39; need the<br>services of a programmer or two !! Sim=
ilar thing&#39;s exist but are coded to<br>use &#39;pics&#39; ,<br><br><br><=
br>One of the main criteria is , that &#39;anyone&#39; with a windows based=20=
pc should<br>
be able to download and install the tx/rx&nbsp;&nbsp;software and join in, b=
e it as a<br>TX station, simply claim a &#39;time slot&#39; ,&nbsp;&nbsp;or=20=
a passive observer being<br>presented with all 5 slots as a amplitude/time p=
lot.<br><br><br>
<br>One of the&nbsp;&nbsp;main attractions would be : TX stations will be ab=
le to&nbsp;&nbsp;observe<br>the other beacons in the chain , eliminating the=
 lonely vigil of being in<br>perm ante<br><br>transmit mode, while providing=
 , at a glance, band conditions&nbsp;&nbsp;for all<br>
involved as well as reducing tx duty cycle time !<br><br><br><br>The number=20=
of TX stations is proposed as 5 in the chain , more may be<br>possible , but=
 the time control factor may prove too difficult to achieve<br>within window=
s , but cw type software in beacon mode would appear top&nbsp;&nbsp;make<br>
a reasonable job of time control ?<br><br>Click on <a href=3D"http://groups.=
google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project">http://groups.google.c=
om/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project</a><br>- or copy &amp; paste it=
 into your browser&#39;s address bar if that doesn&#39;t<br>
work.<br><br><br><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>--=
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 04:55:58PM +0000, Steve Dove wrote:
> Something like this has already been done, about 20 or so 
> years ago.  The creator's call escapes me for now, but he's 
> a well-known West Coast contester:

K6STI experimented with automated contesting back then, so did S56A.

There is currently a heated discussion going on the
cq-contest@contesting.com mailing list about CW Skimmer, its possible
impact on contesting, etc. A review of the program can be found on
N4ZR's website (not sure if it has been posted here before,
http://www.pvrc.org/~n4zr/Articles/Skimmer.pdf).

Digimode programs with multiple decoders have been around for some years
already, it was just a question of time before this would appear for CW.

73,
-- 
Fabian Kurz, DJ1YFK * Dresden, Germany * http://fkurz.net/


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Hi Rik
Just to let you know I heard your CQ calls 559 between 2140 and 2210 on
503. Pity nobody else was listening. I did reply to you but my poor set
up did not get through to you. Also answered your QRSS at 2220z which
was also 559 but equally no joy. I am working on improving my Tx set up
so I do look forward to success in contacting you the future.
Best regards
Mike, G3GMS  in loc IO95GB



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I shall be beaconing again overnight. Last night's conditions looked 
better, according to W3EEE's graph. 136.3185k, QRSS60.

DJ8WX is also active on 136.319kHz.

Mike, G3XDV
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Hello Wolf and Louis,

Many thanks to both for XB qso's  Solid both ways.  Here using mobile whip
for 3575khz on car parked near shack.
Listened on 501/504khz afterwards--no signals heard apart from GI4DPE
beacon.

73 to both

Mike GW4HXO.
___________________________________________________________________________

Subject: LF: GW4HXO (update)

.. just working PA0LCE xband 501.5 kHz / 3.575 kHz, and -shortly before- 
a certain DL-station with a crippled attic dipole and only 20 watts on 
80 meters ;-)

Two "firsts" on one evening: GW/PA MF/HF , and GW/DL MF/HF , congrats 
Mike - and many thanks for the activity.

73,
  Wolf DL4YHF .


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just back in shack, rig is on, will listen...

----- Original Message ----- 
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>> I am calling on 502.250 approx, listening also 3575 KHz, anyone on?
> Listening for you, ready to call on 80 meters. But at the moment,
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> HPE CUL,
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Damage to the ears and eyes only via Sky news - and Im in Singapore~ > From:=
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2008 23:49:47 +0000> Subject: LF: Earthquake!?> > Hello LFers,> > I just saw=
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Gary
Call me on cw and we can exchange reports with our 1w rigs.
mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----
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> Hello LF,
>
> Initial testing on 503.600 KHz 1 watt ERP.
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> 73
>
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599 here in VK2=20


Nic McLean

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Hello LFers,

I'm having troubles posting to the Lowfer reflector and hence I'm trying
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73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
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Dear LF Group,

The M0BMU WOLF 20 beacon is now running again (from 2225utc) on 503.800kHz -
any reports will be welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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See RA3YO and  probably DJ8WX

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73
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Thanks for creating a short URL - I was busy just after I sent the e-mail
and thus didn't see that the URL had become wrapped.

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Thank you for that Jay,

The idea is to  have a system thats quite relaxed , with wide guard bands to=
=20
allow for
system 'cycle time' and clock errors , so anone can join in with a pc ,=20
sync'd to  the
internet or a time signal

G..




----- Original Message -----=20
From: <jrusgrove@comcast.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Windows Beacon TX/RX Software .. can anyone code such a=20
thing ?


> Been using Dimension4 for several years now on a number of different=20
> computers. You can pick any time server and choose the synchronization=20
> down to seconds - if necessary. Not sure if this is accurate enough for=20
> your work but it might be worth a look.
>
> http://www.thinkman.com/dimension4/index.htm
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Andy Talbot
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:07 AM
> Subject: Re: LF: Windows Beacon TX/RX Software .. can anyone code such a=20
> thing ?
>
>
> A problem with the scheme you suggest, Graham, is that PC clocks maintain=20
> time badly, and will drift by several seconds overnight which makes a=20
> mockery of the idea of precisely timed sequential listening.  They may be=20
> able to acheive Internet synchronisation, but can this be set up to=20
> automatically update at the rate you will need, ie. every hour or two=20
> based on some of the clock drifts I have seen.
>
> That is why the existing beacon chains, both 5MHz and the IBP set, use GPS=
=20
> timing.  Passive receiving stations have their timekeeping reset by the=20
> actual 5MHz transmissions themselves.  On your website, you do mention MSF=
=20
> timing, but to do that in real time would consume another receiver /=20
> soundcard channel.    GPS is the only obvious way to go for transmitting=20
> stations.   PCs are not reknowned for their timekeeping abilities!
>
> Otherwise, the software is straightforward, although rather a waste of a=20
> PC. If the GPS is available, then a =A31 PIC is all you need to control an=
d=20
> key a standalone transmitter that doesn't need soundcard drive.
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.scrbg.org/g4jnt
>
>
> On 10/02/2008, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> This is something that may be of interest  .. To a programmer or two or
> three ? There exists collectively the expertise, but can anyone see a way=20
> of
> producing the system?
>
>
> The idea  came initially from the 'Beacon Bedlam' , that existed south of
> Watford gap .. about the only time the skip distance on 500 was 'useful'=20
> in
> that band conditions in the north west where quite quiet, later to  prove=20
> a
> hindrance,
>
>
>
> There already exists a similar system on 5 Mhz , however the transmission
> sites are defined and  participation is only possible by 'passive=20
> reception'
> not too appealing for 'experimentation' This is a 'proposal' the concept=20
> is
> proven , but 'we' need the
> services of a programmer or two !! Similar thing's exist but are coded to
> use 'pics' ,
>
>
>
> One of the main criteria is , that 'anyone' with a windows based pc should
> be able to download and install the tx/rx  software and join in, be it as=20
> a
> TX station, simply claim a 'time slot' ,  or a passive observer being
> presented with all 5 slots as a amplitude/time plot.
>
>
>
> One of the  main attractions would be : TX stations will be able to=20
> observe
> the other beacons in the chain , eliminating the lonely vigil of being in
> perm ante
>
> transmit mode, while providing , at a glance, band conditions  for all
> involved as well as reducing tx duty cycle time !
>
>
>
> The number of TX stations is proposed as 5 in the chain , more may be
> possible , but the time control factor may prove too difficult to achieve
> within windows , but cw type software in beacon mode would appear top=20
> make
> a reasonable job of time control ?
>
> Click on=20
> http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project
> - or copy & paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't
> work.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Dear jean-Pierre,

    I am very sorry for the QRM that is making you stop the grabber!
Last night XES and XGJ were visible on the grabber even with the QRM.
I hope you reconsider your decision!

73 Warren K2ORS


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Subject: LF: T/A [137] QRM on 137 kHz


> Good evening my friends of the LF,
>
> I will have to stop my activity LF, I have between 20 and 30 dB
> of noise moreover! (this noise is of human origin) and I can nothing
> make there ! Tomorrow I will stop the grabber, and I will go towards
> other less polluted activities.
> Afflicted to leave world LF, but I am constrained there.
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> 73 qro Jean-Pierre F1AFJ
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Hi Dave, LFgroup
Thanks for the report. Tonight have heard GI4DPE, GI3PDN, GW4HXO, and had a=20=
QSO with G3LDO, probably my ODX 2-way on MF.  G0MRF is again quite strong, w=
ell over 20db above noise on the main antenna.
Wolf DL4YHF reported hearing me weakly when I was in qso with Peter LDO toni=
ght
WX forecast is suggesting that the antenna will have to be lowered by the en=
d of tomorrow, it is not capable of withstanding even moderate winds at the=20=
moment.
regards
Mark GM4ISM



  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
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  Subject: LF: [500] QRV - GM4ISM


  Hi, Mark.

  I haven't been listening this evening, but I heard you on Sunday at around=
 20:50 utc calling GW4HXO. You were peaking RST 559 with the usual QSB.

  73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor SE England
    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@bla=
cksheep.org]On Behalf Of Mark
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    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
    Subject: LF: QRV


    I am calling on 502.250 approx, listening also 3575 KHz, anyone on?
    MRF beacon is strong tonight on main antenna, visible on ferrite rod occ=
asionall, as is di2ag
    rgds=20
    Mark GM4ISM IO85AR


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Dave, LFgroup</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for the report. Tonight have heard G=
I4DPE,=20
GI3PDN, GW4HXO, and had a QSO with G3LDO, probably my&nbsp;ODX 2-way on=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wolf DL4YHF reported hearing me weakly when=
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in qso with Peter LDO tonight</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>WX forecast is suggesting that the antenna=20=
will=20
have to be lowered by the end of tomorrow, it is not capable of withstanding=
=20
even moderate winds at the moment.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark GM4ISM</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D648430523-19022008><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff s=
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D648430523-19022008><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =20=
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D648430523-19022008><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff s=
ize=3D2>I=20
  haven't been listening this evening, but I heard you on Sunday at around 2=
0:50=20
  utc calling GW4HXO. You were peaking RST 559 with the usual=20
  QSB.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D648430523-19022008><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =20=
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D648430523-19022008><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff s=
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  Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor SE England</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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p.org</A>=20
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    rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: QRV<BR><BR></FONT></=
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am calling on 502.250 approx, listeni=
ng also=20
    3575 KHz, anyone on?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MRF beacon is strong tonight on main an=
tenna,=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>rgds </FONT></DIV>
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Hi Jean-Pierre and Wolf,

I can understand how the QRM makes it seem futile to receive the very
weak signals, but we have made much progress despite the challenges.
The transmitter will remain in operation if you desire and will be moved
to a frequency of your preference if you can find one with lower noise in
the 160-190 kHz range.  When the experiment with the Poldhu club
is finished, we can then try QRSS120 if you are interested.

73 and thank-you for the many reports!

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Hello Finbar and ALL!
Thanks for your beaconing last night. I have been testing a new
configuration for my SpecLab and your CW beacon signal has been very
useful. I am looking for the best configuration for clasic CW. There is
a lot of NDB signals around, but there are quite strong. Your signal has
been 339 in the peak, with QSB, so fine for my tests. Have a look on a
snapshot, it is a results of my experiments. I hope, I will continue
following night, if conditions will be good, of course.
 
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.0pt;  font-family:Arial'>Hello Finbar and ALL!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt;  font-family:Arial'>Thanks for your beaconing last night. I have been=20=
testing a
new configuration for my SpecLab and your CW beacon signal has been very
useful. I am looking for the best configuration for clasic CW. There is a lo=
t
of NDB signals around, but there are quite strong. Your signal has been 339=20=
in
the peak, with QSB, so fine for my tests. Have a look on a snapshot, it is a
results of my experiments. I hope, I will continue following night, if
conditions will be good, of course.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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an><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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Hi John,
 
Yes I did varnish them because that was what the rather ancient "Boy's  Book 
Of something or other....." instructed ! A lot of experiments seemed to  
involve shellac which, at that age, I thought had some special electrical  
properties I did learn later that it was probably a waste of time because I  then 
discovered a wonderful little firm called REPANCO who could sell me some  
beautifully wound coils that used something called "Litz" wire and put most  of my 
efforts to wind the "ultimate crystal set coil" to shame! 
 My first "amplifier" was constructed by replacing the steel diaphragm  of a 
headphone earpiece with a "Golden Syrup" can (empty of course). I later  
discovered that such an arrangement could also produce a very selective CW  filter 
- style and size of can being carefully selected. Pity beer cans are made  
from aluminium and have concave bottoms! Rather limits their contribution  to 
"home brew" :))
Happy days  

73 de Pat  G4GVW es gd dx
Qth near Felixstowe,  UK





   

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This software is reviewed in the March RadCom which posted to members
today.

Mike, G3XDV
==========

> Not sure if this has been mentioned on this group but an interesting
> piece of software by Alex, VE3NEA, called CW Skimmer has recently been
> made available, see http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/
> 
> Although the software costs $75 one can download a trial version (30
> days). It's interesting to see that whilst away from the shack this
> evening the program correctly identified G3KEV (501.9 at 19:35) and
> also G0MRF (503.0 at 19:37).   The callsign picking routine must have
> been designed for the HF bands, where the protocol is very mature, so
> got a bit confused with the protocol used on 500kHz and eventually
> decided that David callsign was IO91TK! 
> 
> It seems to need a reasonable S/N, but could be quite useful if one is
> not able to personally monitor the band all of the time.  Have others
> tried it?
> 
> 73 John, G3WKL
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 





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Ok Andy ,

=20

Thank's for your comment's, The 'idea' is based on what you could call 'oper=
ating experience' over the last year on 500. The main concept being , 'Anyon=
e with a PC and a sound card' could join in , hence the request for a 'pc' b=
ased system.=20

=20

The clock issues, well that's a area that I do not  have  practical experien=
ce of , It would appear events can be reasonably controlled , this would dic=
tate the number of tx stations and number of multiplex  measuring pulses , Q=
uite wide guard bands may be required?

=20

On the 5 mhz system , well yes that's a different ball game as out friends w=
ould say , this system is aimed at the  'Garden shed gang' , open to  all an=
d if anyone wants to  'have a go' so much the better=20

=20

The -PIC-  yes ..  Mm .. Well . fair comment J

=20

Tnx - G ..=20

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Andy Talbot=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 8:07 AM
  Subject: Re: LF: Windows Beacon TX/RX Software .. can anyone code such a t=
hing ?


  A problem with the scheme you suggest, Graham, is that PC clocks maintain=20=
time badly, and will drift by several seconds overnight which makes a mocker=
y of the idea of precisely timed sequential listening.  They may be able to=20=
acheive Internet synchronisation, but can this be set up to automatically up=
date at the rate you will need, ie. every hour or two based on some of the c=
lock drifts I have seen.

  That is why the existing beacon chains, both 5MHz and the IBP set, use GPS=
 timing.  Passive receiving stations have their timekeeping reset by the act=
ual 5MHz transmissions themselves.  On your website, you do mention MSF timi=
ng, but to do that in real time would consume another receiver / soundcard c=
hannel.    GPS is the only obvious way to go for transmitting stations.   PC=
s are not reknowned for their timekeeping abilities!

  Otherwise, the software is straightforward, although rather a waste of a P=
C.   If the GPS is available, then a =A31 PIC is all you need to control and=
 key a standalone transmitter that doesn't need soundcard drive.

  Andy  G4JNT
  www.scrbg.org/g4jnt=20


  On 10/02/2008, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:=20
    Hi all,



    This is something that may be of interest  .. To a programmer or two or
    three ? There exists collectively the expertise, but can anyone see a wa=
y of
    producing the system?


    The idea  came initially from the 'Beacon Bedlam' , that existed south o=
f
    Watford gap .. about the only time the skip distance on 500 was 'useful'=
 in
    that band conditions in the north west where quite quiet, later to  prov=
e a
    hindrance,



    There already exists a similar system on 5 Mhz , however the transmissio=
n
    sites are defined and  participation is only possible by 'passive recept=
ion'
    not too appealing for 'experimentation' This is a 'proposal' the concept=
 is
    proven , but 'we' need the
    services of a programmer or two !! Similar thing's exist but are coded t=
o
    use 'pics' ,



    One of the main criteria is , that 'anyone' with a windows based pc shou=
ld
    be able to download and install the tx/rx  software and join in, be it a=
s a
    TX station, simply claim a 'time slot' ,  or a passive observer being
    presented with all 5 slots as a amplitude/time plot.



    One of the  main attractions would be : TX stations will be able to  obs=
erve
    the other beacons in the chain , eliminating the lonely vigil of being i=
n
    perm ante

    transmit mode, while providing , at a glance, band conditions  for all
    involved as well as reducing tx duty cycle time !



    The number of TX stations is proposed as 5 in the chain , more may be
    possible , but the time control factor may prove too difficult to achiev=
e
    within windows , but cw type software in beacon mode would appear top  m=
ake
    a reasonable job of time control ?

    Click on http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-proj=
ect
    - or copy & paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't
    work.









  --=20



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over the last year on 500. The main concept being , =91Anyone with a PC and=20=
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=20
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 5 mhz=20
system , well yes that=92s a different ball game as out friends would say ,=20=
this=20
system is aimed at the<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>=91Gar=
den shed=20
gang=92 , open to<SPAN style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp; </SPAN>all and if=20=
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=96PIC- <SPAN   style=3D"mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>yes =85. <SPAN   st=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=
"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dandy.g4jnt@googlemail.com     href=3D"mailto:andy.g4jnt@googlem=
ail.com">Andy Talbot</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 11, 2008 8:0=
7=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Windows Beacon TX/=
RX=20
  Software .. can anyone code such a thing ?</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>A problem with the scheme you suggest, Graham, is that PC clocks main=
tain=20
  time badly, and will drift by several seconds overnight&nbsp;which makes a=
=20
  mockery of the idea of precisely timed sequential listening.&nbsp; They ma=
y be=20
  able to acheive Internet synchronisation, but can this be set up to=20
  automatically update at the rate you will need, ie. every hour or two base=
d on=20
  some of the clock drifts I have seen.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>That is why the existing beacon chains, both 5MHz and the IBP set, us=
e=20
  GPS timing.&nbsp; Passive receiving stations have their timekeeping&nbsp;r=
eset=20
  by the actual 5MHz transmissions themselves. &nbsp;On your website, you do=
=20
  mention MSF timing, but to do that in real time would consume another rece=
iver=20
  / soundcard channel.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; GPS is the only obvious way to go f=
or=20
  transmitting stations.&nbsp;&nbsp; PCs are not reknowned for their timekee=
ping=20
  abilities!</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Otherwise, the software is straightforward,&nbsp;although rather a wa=
ste=20
  of a PC.&nbsp;&nbsp; If the GPS is available, then a =A31 PIC is all you n=
eed to=20
  control and key a standalone&nbsp;transmitter that doesn't need soundcard=20
  drive.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Andy&nbsp;&nbsp;G4JNT<BR><A     href=3D"http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt">w=
ww.scrbg.org/g4jnt</A> </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3Dgmail_quote>On 10/02/2008, <B     class=3Dgmail_sendern=
ame>Graham</B> &lt;<A     href=3D"mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk">g8fzk@g8fz=
k.fsnet.co.uk</A>&gt;=20
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x 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi=20
    all,<BR><BR><BR><BR>This is something that may be of interest&nbsp;&nbsp=
;..=20
    To a programmer or two or<BR>three ? There exists collectively the=20
    expertise, but can anyone see a way of<BR>producing the=20
    system?<BR><BR><BR>The idea&nbsp;&nbsp;came initially from the 'Beacon=20
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e=20
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h=20
    west where quite quiet, later to&nbsp;&nbsp;prove=20
    a<BR>hindrance,<BR><BR><BR><BR>There already exists a similar system on=20=
5=20
    Mhz , however the transmission<BR>sites are defined=20
    and&nbsp;&nbsp;participation is only possible by 'passive reception'<BR>=
not=20
    too appealing for 'experimentation' This is a 'proposal' the concept=20
    is<BR>proven , but 'we' need the<BR>services of a programmer or two !!=20
    Similar thing's exist but are coded to<BR>use 'pics' ,<BR><BR><BR><BR>On=
e of=20
    the main criteria is , that 'anyone' with a windows based pc should<BR>b=
e=20
    able to download and install the tx/rx&nbsp;&nbsp;software and join in,=20=
be=20
    it as a<BR>TX station, simply claim a 'time slot' ,&nbsp;&nbsp;or a pass=
ive=20
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he-big-beacon-project</A><BR>-=20
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Yup,

Got mine today also. 0dBW. Need to finish digging the cooling pond for the P=
A this week-end.

BTW, has anyone got any idea of the number of NOVs issued? - the last 4 digi=
ts of mine are 7930..

73,Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
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Subject: LF: Re: [500] NOV Renewal


Hi Brian & LF,

My NoV renewal also arrived this morning.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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      Hi All -



      Nov renewal arrived this morning - 0dBW erp "immediate effect"



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Hi John,

Something like this has already been done, about 20 or so 
years ago.  The creator's call escapes me for now, but he's 
a well-known West Coast contester:

It was a Z-80 (I think) based micro which nudged transceiver 
tuning, decoded CW, looked for 'CQs', parsed callsigns and 
such, then called, waited for a report, then sent a reply 
report.  Admittedly it was 'tuned' for the format of the 
domestic ARRL CW 'Sweepstakes' contest, rather than general 
random QSOs, but he let the thing loose over the 48-hour 
event, and it apparently didn't place too badly in the 
results . . .

Yes, it (and any newer implementation) depends on most CW 
being machine generated (or at least tidied up with a keyer) 
and a formulaic QSO environment, but isn't that pretty much 
what prevails anyway?

The 'Turing Test' stuff is Plan B.

         Cheers,

                 Steve


John RABSON wrote:
> This gives me an idea.  
> If you combine this program with something to choose which station you wish to work, then link this into your transmitter and leave the whole thing running overnight, you can come back in the morning and see what DX you have worked.  Signal reports would be no problem as everybody seems to give a report of 599 anyway.
> I would have liked this as a final year artificial intelligence student project, but that was long ago.
> 
> John, F5VLF



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Please ignore, just a test.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mal" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: "rsgb" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 5:54 PM
Subject: LF: LF RX


>
> All that is required on LF/MF is a xtal set and a good pair of EARS, which
> have good selectivity anything else is a bonus.
> If you live in a noisy Urban environment all the latest contraptions will
> not help, the solution is to move away into a rural area, problem normally
> solved.
> Appliance operatated devices are no substitute for the real thing ie GOOD
> EARS and a good CW fist.
> de Mal/G3KEV
>
> 




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Jean-Pierre,

   Excellent signals on the 'grabber' at 01:20 UTC, like old times!

73 Warren K2ORS

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> Good evening my friends of the LF,
>
> I will have to stop my activity LF, I have between 20 and 30 dB
> of noise moreover! (this noise is of human origin) and I can nothing
> make there ! Tomorrow I will stop the grabber, and I will go towards
> other less polluted activities.
> Afflicted to leave world LF, but I am constrained there.
>
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre F1AFJ
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Hello Joe & Warren ,
Last night
On 184 kHz   :
Traces of WD2XEB/2 , nil for VO1NA

The captures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp

73 J-P f1afj




















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Johan H. Bodin wrote:

> This sampling rate is re-sampled to a "standard" rate by
> Windows when listening through the soundcard, and by the VAC software
> (Virtual Audio Cable) when routing the signal to other programs such as
> Wolf. Unfortunately, the VAC software seems to use a quite sloppy
> algorithm for resampling, probably to reduce the CPU load. At some
> output sampling rates, there are distorsion products that look like some
> kind of "in-band aliasing" and these are not more than 40dB down or so
> :-( Maybe this percent of THD goes unnoticed by "normal" VAC users who
> listen to mainsream music (which is usually 100% distorsion anyway ;-) )

  Yes, I can confirm that VAC has a very bad resampler. You can hear the artifacts easily, even on voice recordings. A 
good suggestion for Nico would be to implement the resampler inside the Perseus software...

73  Alberto  I2PHD



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Hello Laurie,

what version of QRS are you using (and what version of windows)?
 From your description of the problem it might be caused by:

- using a Win3 version of QRS with WinXp or Vista
- another program grabbing hold of the serial port(s) before QRS does
- defective serial port

73, Rik  ON7YD

Quoting lawrence mayhead <laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com>:

> Does anyone have experience of using a computer without RS232 for QRS.
> I have tried to get an output from the 9 pin serial ports on my computer, it
> appears that the -12 volts  on  the appropriate pin (pin 4 for Key ) drops
> only
> momentarily. If this is correct I will need a latch to hold the command
> until
> released. Is this the general experience or am I doing something wrong
> (again ! )
> Thanks 73 Laurie.
>



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Dear LF Group,

The WOLF 20 beacon is running again (from 2310utc) on 503.800kHz with 100mW
ERP. Any reports would be very welcome.

Thanks for all the reports and suggestions re the WOLF transmissions. At the
moment, I am in the middle of rearranging the shack here - when I get things
sorted out a bit more, I will try some tests with a different mode, perhaps
JT2. When my new 500kHz NoV turns up, I will try some further WOLF tests
with higher power levels.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU





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Hello Jean-Pierre,

Have you considered using a phasing system?
I have had excellent results with a system using an active loop and an 
active (mini-)whip to get rid of thunderstorm QRN from the Mediterranean.

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Hi Mark,

Nothing heard from you yet, called a few times on 3575 (heard G3LDO 569 
on 502.25 kHz but apparently no crossband there).

But I was very pleased when Valerio IK5ZPV called me on 3575 kHz; been a 
long time I last met him on 136 kHz.

Will keep listening on both bands. Hrd tonight (with very good signals) 
GI4DPE, GW4HXO, G3AQC, G3ZWH, all 502 +/- .

73,
  Wolf DL4YHF .

Mark schrieb:
> just back in shack, rig is on, will listen...



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Ok Warren, when you are ready to emit on 184 Khz known as us one listens=20
to you .

73 qro Jean-Pierre F1AFJ

K2ORS a =E9crit :
> Jean-Pierre and Joe,
>
>        I am still tuned to 137kHz, I will retune the antenna later=20
> this week, but not today or tomorrow due to storms.
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9"=20
> <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2008 10:45 AM
> Subject: LF: [1650m ] for Warren (WD2XGJ) and Joe (VO1NA
>
>
> Hi Joe and Warren
>
> I will record the next night the 184 Khz PLEASE Warren to make
> me carrying so that I locate the exact level of my reception. If
> I think that I can receive Joe, I will make recordings of VO1NA
> again . The moment that EUROPE I is in maintenance is :
> 00:00 > 02:30 utc  .
>
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
> jcraig@mun.ca a =E9crit :
>> Hello Henny,
>>
>> It may have been Warren.  It was too strong to be me!
>>
>> 73
>> Joe VO1NA
>

--=20
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Hello  all on LF ,

I will carry out tests with the grabber a few weeks, I modified
the configuration by adding a window which is without AGC thus
rough reception without treatment, to visualize the noise level of
the moment.

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

grabber at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

-- 
Website : http://jpmere.online.fr/

















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Hello Jean-Pierre,

Sorry to hear about your QRM problem, but please do not let such events 
discourage you.
I have been living with such a condition on LF for some time, and tried 
a few things to get rid of most of the QRM over the years.
Of course, it is not sure if this applies to your situation (you will 
know much better than me).
Here, it helped a lot to isolate the "antenna ground" (or the outer 
conductor of the coax running to the antenna) from the mains ground, 
because the AC mains ground often carries a lot of annoying QRM.
And, sometimes loops gave more QRM than E-field probes, but usually vice 
versa.

So please don't surrender to the QRM on LF yet...
 73,  Wolf  DL4YHF .


Jean-Pierre Méré schrieb:
>  Hello Joe,
> I am sad to be obliged to stop any activity LF , I cannot receive
> the weak signals more because I am QRM 20/30dB of more than
> noise since more than one week . We made beautiful things on 184
> Khz thank you for these good moments . I will leave the world of
> the LF to make another thing in part of the spectrum less polluted .
> I will keep an eye on list RSGB to have news of the friends !
> 73 J-P f1afj
>
>



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Victor,

    Thank you for the great capture!

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Captured 4:30z  137775+ Hz
> 
> 73
> Victor
> PA3FNY


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Mal,

I won't be home during daylight ... family visit.
Maybe next weekend.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting mal <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Hi Rik
> Pse try tomorrow morning for a qso during daylight. I will listen for you=20=
on
> your freq 503 khz
> 73 Mal/G3KEV
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> propagation on 500 seenms to be good tonight.
>> Just worked GI4DPE (559) and G3KEV (599). In particular Mal's signal
>> was booming, when he tuned in I thought it was Gus calling ...
>>
>> I will listen on 501-504 until 22UTC and call CQ once in a while on 503.1
>>
>> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>>
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Greeting all,

Good activity on MF this evening :

wkd (xband 80m) : G3XIZ (rcvg on 3576 kHz), GI4DPE (tnx Finbar, 529 here 
at times, rx on 3551 kHz)

hrd calling CQ:  G3KEV cq on 502.6 kHz, rx on 3533 kHz . Up to 559 at 
times, then down to 429 .

For LF, saw this in the cluster:

DX de OH1TN:       136.8  OH0RJ        Beacon                         1814Z

DX de RA3YO:       137.0  EW6GB        cq qrss3 137710                1819Z


73,  Wolf  DL4YHF JO42FD

(still trying to optimize reception at home; thanks for all those test 
signals ! )


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So does an MRF150. And that only needs 50V
Andy  G4JNT
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On 01/02/2008, Ken Wright <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Mal.
> Do you have the data for a TT22?, they have an input of 1.9W for 102W rf
> output but I don't fancy the 1250V anode voltage.
>
> 73
> Ken  M0KHW   IO91TV
>
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> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
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> Does  anyone have a spare pair of TT22 tubes. They were popular in old
> LF/MF
> marine equip.
> 73 de Mal/G3KEV
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>


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<div>So does an MRF150. And that only needs&nbsp;50V </div>
<div>Andy&nbsp; G4JNT</div>
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<div><br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 01/02/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">Ken Wright</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:ken.h.wright@btinternet.com">ken.h.wright@btinternet.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi Mal.<br>Do you have the data for a TT22?, they have an input of 1.9W for 102W rf<br>output but I don&#39;t fancy the 1250V anode voltage.<br>
<br>73<br>Ken&nbsp;&nbsp;M0KHW&nbsp;&nbsp; IO91TV<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>] On Behalf Of mal<br>
Sent: 01 February 2008 15:08<br>To: rsgb<br>Subject: LF: Lf project<br><br>Does&nbsp;&nbsp;anyone have a spare pair of TT22 tubes. They were popular in old LF/MF<br>marine equip.<br>73 de Mal/G3KEV<br><br><br></blockquote></div><br>
<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Andy&nbsp;&nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href="http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt">www.scrbg.org/g4jnt</a> 

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Hi Peter.
How many watts is the PL519 running?, I have some 807s I was thinking of
using, but they like 750 volts on the anode.

Regards.

Ken M0KHW

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Subject: LF: G3LDO 500kHz rig

Hello LFers,

This is a short description of my 500kHz transmitter and antenna.
The driver comprises a DDS3 Hands direct digital synthesiser, which came 
in the form of a kit. I bought this some time ago as a driver for 73 and 
136kHz and has now been reprogrammed for the 500kHz band.
The transmitter uses a PL519 TV sweep tube (valve) with 380v on the 
plate (anode). This is driven by a metal 1632, which is a 12v  heater 
version of a 6L6. The design of the transmitter is derived from my junk 
box and provided me with some nostalgic pleasure.
The antenna comprises a HF quad. The quad and its feeder is used as a 
short vertical with a capacity hat and is resonated with a variometer 
and matched with a ferrite multi tapped transformer located in the 
garden shed at the bottom of the garden.
The antenna has a calculated gain of around -20dBi.

The DDS3 is programmed using DOS via the printer port. In the meantime 
all my computers have moved on and the only DOS computer I have left is 
an AcerNote 760iC laptop, which I still use for QRSS keying. 
Unfortunately it doesn't seem to want to talk the DDS3 via the printer 
port. Did some old laptops use different pinouts compared with standard 
printer ports?

regards

Peter G3LDO



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Jean-Pierre,

   Thank you for running the 137 kHz grabber!
Tonight I am on 184.005 but tomorrow back on 137.7798 kHz

73 Warren K2ORS etc.


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> Hello on LF ,
>
> Grabber is again operational (137773>137782 and 136315>136322) There are 
> always sporadic noise ! one will make with ! .....
>
> The captures of night are with this URL :
> http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
>
> grabber at :
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> 73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
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> -- 
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I was waiting for that question!  I guess so and I feel that this is what we
should do.  Ofcom have been very good at taking our request on board and
negotiating it with MCA.  Thus, I wouldn't  want to bother Ofcom with the
question
 
 
73 John, G3WKL

Am I correct in assuming that the power increase is immediate and not from
Feb 29th ??
 
David   G0MRF
 


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I shal be running a beacon tonight from 1800 to 0900 using QRSS60, 
transmitting 'XDV' starting at each hour.

Reports are welcome.

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Hello Alberto,

Your program Spectran is in wide use amongst NDB chasers.
Someone had the following question:

>>
Does the quality of the sound card influence the decoding or displaying=20
of signals received or it this all done in the Spectran software? Some=20
sound cards are available for $20 and others cost over $250. Will the=20
higher cost sound card produce a better quality of output signal than=20
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Your input will be much appreciated.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Alberto,</FONT></DIV>
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I wonder what QRG
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> I shal be running a beacon tonight from 1800 to 0900 using QRSS60,
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> Mike, G3XDV
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Hi Andrey
thank you for the nice rapport.
I know, I have to do an announcement.
But till now I hat to do with my SDR-Transceiver because of my first 
used IC735 was to unstable.
In the next few days I will put in this group informations about my 
station and the transmitted signals.
good evening
73 de
Roland DI2AT/DL3NDR

Andrey RN3AGC schrieb:
> Hello LFers,
> DI2AT - there is such station, or I have not correctly accepted?
>
> Andrey
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Hello Gerhard,
saw your CQ this morning ~10:50 on 137.700 (see attached picture). Later
i think someone answered, but could not identify.

Vy73
Marco
DD7PC
JN49ax
RX: EKD-300 + Miniwhip=20

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> Testing stopped for me to have a meal, I wanted to be in the shack during
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> 73
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Thanks Andey.
Mike
====

> Hello Mike and Uwe,
> capture last night 22.50-05.20z :
> http://www.cln.ru/~efremov/137/0802170519-dj8wx-90-g3xdv-60.jpg My
> loc: KO85sv 73!
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Hartmut and Henny,

Many thanks for the reception reports and captures of my signals.
It is very encouraging to learn that my weak signals are being
detected.

Is this your first recepion of VO1NA on 1600m Henny?

73
Joe VO1NA

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> copy vo1na (n  n)
> 02:55z  1702
> henny pa3cpm jo22mb
> 73s


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Hello Warren and Henny,

Also good copy of "XGJ" last night, ( I think that you looked at the=20
grabber ) today the noise returned almost normal ! I hope for a good=20
propagation the next night .

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

K2ORS a =E9crit :
> Henny,
> =20
>     Thank you for the capture!
> XGJ was only on for 40 minutes (One "XGJ" QRSS cycle)!
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> =20
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* henny van elst <mailto:cpm@planet.nl>
>     *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>     <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>     *Sent:* Friday, February 01, 2008 7:51 AM
>     *Subject:* LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): captxgj0102.jpg
>
>     *capture xgj*
>     *henny pa3cpm*
>     *73s*
>

--=20
Website : http://jpmere.online.fr/


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Mark GM4ISM wrote:
> Thanks for the report. Tonight have heard GI4DPE, GI3PDN, GW4HXO, and 
> had a QSO with G3LDO, probably my ODX 2-way on MF.  G0MRF is again 
> quite strong, well over 20db above noise on the main antenna.
> Wolf DL4YHF reported hearing me weakly when I was in qso with Peter 
> LDO tonight
> WX forecast is suggesting that the antenna will have to be lowered by 
> the end of tomorrow, it is not capable of withstanding even moderate 
> winds at the moment.
Thanks for the QSO Mark. I hope to be on 501.80 (I can QSY) tonight also 
listening on 3575kHz
Regards, Peter, G3LDO



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Must of missed something here !

UK to  W  has been done on 100 mW , just takes skill not power !

G ..



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> New updated NOV arrived this morning, no excuse for weak signals anymore 
> on
> 500 khz
> Mal/G3KEV
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>
>
> -- 
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> 




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On 10 Feb 2008 at 1:42, mal wrote:

> Jim,
> It depends what date you got your current NOV. Renewal for some could
> be June/July etc, the DX season will be over, fortunately mine was
> dated end Feb.
>  I am  now building a new TX to generate suitable rf output for 1w
>  erp.
> 73 de Mal/G3KEV

ALL NOVs expire on February 29th, mine certainly says that. The date 
of issue is irrelevant, I understand they will be sending renewals 
out automatically to everybody, presumably dated to start on March 
1st.

73 Dave G3YMC

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Ive put up a full grab of the best capture from last evening (Eu) 137KHz
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Yo is dash "high"
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th midpath!
=20
Conditions still look to be reasonable and Im still stormless.
=20
Good luck
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Ive put up a full grab of the best capture from last evening (Eu) 137KHz<BR>
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Yo is dash "high"<BR>
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Conditions still look to be reasonable and Im still stormless.<BR>
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A weak G3LOD was copied on 501.193 kHz about 30 mins ago and another
sig is trying to get in over the computer noise.... Must
go back to RX.

73
Joe VO1NA


On Thu, 28 Feb 2008, Peter Dodd wrote:

> Mike Thayne wrote:
>> Peter your QRSS ID is fully audible 559 on about 501.5. Nice steady
>> signal no QSB.
>> 
>> Mike, G3GMS
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> Many thanks for the report Mike
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Tnx Rik for the qso just now and pleased you got going on 500 khz. Hope to
work you agn in the future.
You have a nice signal but the usual qsb got you at times.
73 de Mal/G3KEV


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Henny,

   Not me I was on 137.7798 last night.
I hope to retune for 184kHz later this week.

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ


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  capure who?
  184005khz
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  henny pa3cpm

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What is "warble " signal ON TOP of G0MRF Becon?,   503.7 kHz if no one else
hears
this then I have a  bad case of breakthrough !

Thanks Laurie

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What is &quot;warble &quot; signal ON TOP of G0MRF Becon?, &nbsp; 503.7 kHz if no one else hears<br>this then I have a&nbsp; bad case of breakthrough !<br><br>Thanks Laurie<br>

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Hello Warren,

This night I copied WE2XEB/2 on 184.005 kHz ,
good signal  ! the screenshoot are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj


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.. just in QSO on 502.7 +/-.. kHz,
both 439 .. 559.

Hrd Mal calling qsx 3533, but couldn't raise his attention so far ;-)

hpe cul,
73 ,   Wolf  DL4YHF .


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Zitat von jrusgrove@comcast.net:

> ...trying this post again...
>
> Glimpse of WX and YO last night early. Unfortunately, no overnight 
> captures due to power 'blink'.  Will continue monitoring.
>
> Capture time in EST.
>
> Jay
>

Hello Jay,
thanks for monitoring, thanks for the pic.
best regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv



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Hello LF,

Initial testing on 503.600 KHz 1 watt ERP.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp



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> I just see nice signal from G3LDO.
>
>  
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>  
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> Lubos, OK2BVG
>
Thanks for the report Lubos

Peter, G3LDO



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Kevlar straps are used within high voltage insulators (to make them fail 
safe)
However these large insulators are oil filled to protect the kevlar from RF 
burning.
ISTR that the kevlar is also damaged by UV.

Parafil rope is extensively used to stabilise T aerials etc, but I suspect 
it will be expensive ?

Regards
           Colin
G6XWD

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Subject: LF: Kevlar guy rope for radiating mast ? conductive ?


Looking to replace the guy ropes on my vertical mast , the blue polyprop is
showing signs of over exposure to  the sun and starting to  fray



I'm wondering if the 'kevlar' type of ropes would be suited, as the mast is
a radiating element ?



But as far as I know, the rope conducts electrically, which would not be a
good  material to  have in the saturation field of the element



How conductive is the 'rope' ? is it just a leakage or a full low ohm
situation ?



Tnx - G ..





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Market Raisen is 72 miles from my QTH and apart from a rattle nothing
exciting happened. I have experienced bigger tremors and bangs from RAF jet
aircraft  goiing through the sound barrier but not recently, and even then
only a rare occurance.
My house is stone built outside and brick inside cavity type construction
and is not likely to collapse.
My antenna masts were lowered at the time for maintainence so no problems
there, they are all back up again and all systems GO.
Now looking for DX on 500 khz
73 de Mal/G3KEV/Scarborough/England




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Graham,

   UK to W has only been done a couple of times under the best of conditions, the new power levels might facilitate more contacts, particularly with U.K. stations who don't live near the coast.


--
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
WE2XEB/2   160-189kHz
WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz

FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> Must of missed something here !
> 
> UK to  W  has been done on 100 mW , just takes skill not power !
> 
> G ..
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "mal" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
> To: "rsgb" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:22 PM
> Subject: LF: NOV UPDATE
> 
> 
> > New updated NOV arrived this morning, no excuse for weak signals anymore 
> > on
> > 500 khz
> > Mal/G3KEV
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Ok Warren,

Its the kevlar - carbon fiber - that i'm concerned about .. has it any 
dialectric properties in the hf spectrum ?  I could do  with geting hold of 
a lenght , see if it passes the microwave oven test ?

When you say for antenna use , you mean as support rope / insulator / 
element configuration ?

Ive got to  drop the mast ( 2 x 20  ft alloy poles) and replace the top 
section , so  want to  re-guy it at the same time , the mast is on a 
insulted mount and also supports the wire antennas,

G ..


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> Graham,
>
>  Most kevlar rope for antenna use has an outer covering of Dacron for UV 
> protection so it will be non conductive.
> However, I don't think its a good idea to guy the very top of a vertical 
> especially if high power is in use, particularly in rainy conditions.
>
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
> WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
> WE2XEB/2   160-189kHz
> WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz
>
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>> Looking to replace the guy ropes on my vertical mast , the blue polyprop 
>> is
>> showing signs of over exposure to  the sun and starting to  fray
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm wondering if the 'kevlar' type of ropes would be suited, as the mast 
>> is
>> a radiating element ?
>>
>>
>>
>> But as far as I know, the rope conducts electrically, which would not be 
>> a
>> good  material to  have in the saturation field of the element
>>
>>
>>
>> How conductive is the 'rope' ? is it just a leakage or a full low ohm
>> situation ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Tnx - G ..
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
> 




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Dear all,

propagation on 500 seenms to be good tonight.
Just worked GI4DPE (559) and G3KEV (599). In particular Mal's signal  
was booming, when he tuned in I thought it was Gus calling ...

I will listen on 501-504 until 22UTC and call CQ once in a while on 503.1

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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Jay,
I have just finished the bigger PA and am now QRV. We will have to arrange a
session before the spring /summer when condx will detoriate.
Others suitably equipped might also like to try
73 de Mal/G3KEV

----- Original Message -----
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> Mal...and other NOV holders
>
> Please advise when QRV at higher power...will be happy to take a listen
from
> this side of the pond.
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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Hello Finbar and LFers!
I just see your signal on 501.315kHz. Other signals are on 501.735kHz
and around 502kHz. I am testing new aerial and receiver.
 
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Henny,

       Thank you for the capture!

WD2XGJ will be QRT on 137kHz, instead WE2XEB/2 will be sending QRSS 60 on 18=
4.005 kHz.

73 Warren K2ORS

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  capt.xgj  15:02  time 02:50z
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All that is required on LF/MF is a xtal set and a good pair of EARS, which
have good selectivity anything else is a bonus.
If you live in a noisy Urban environment all the latest contraptions will
not help, the solution is to move away into a rural area, problem normally
solved.
Appliance operatated devices are no substitute for the real thing ie GOOD
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Hi Frank

Last night good copy in JM08qv. Other station WX was near you.


73  Bart
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Subject: LF: LF 2200M. PE1RRF Beaconing


> Hi all.
> 
> Verry low (ERP) power beacon is nouw on 136.321 Khz in QRS 60.
> 
> Reports are welcome.
> 
> 73.
> Frank.
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> 
> 
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Thanks, John.

Excellent news! Need to scratch around in my junk box for some Big Fets now!
Rik has shown what 0dBW can do.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care to
look at Ofcom's announcement at

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200
80201

This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week

73 John, G3WKL
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Andy Talbot wrote:

> .. and its entirely up to you to somehow keep the PC clock accurate enough!

NTP is embedded in most major operating systems.

This should be good to about 20ms over the Internet, although NTP does 
suffer quite badly due to the asymmetry and variability of the ADSL link.

http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp.html

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LF

Easy first copy here of G4WGT at 539 on 503.6kHz 08.02.2008 21.50UTC


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
Vaasa / KP03SD

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Jean-Pierre and Joe,

        I am still tuned to 137kHz, I will retune the antenna later this 
week, but not today or tomorrow due to storms.

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ





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Hi Joe and Warren

I will record the next night the 184 Khz PLEASE Warren to make
me carrying so that I locate the exact level of my reception. If
I think that I can receive Joe, I will make recordings of VO1NA
again . The moment that EUROPE I is in maintenance is :
00:00 > 02:30 utc  .

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

jcraig@mun.ca a écrit :
> Hello Henny,
>
> It may have been Warren.  It was too strong to be me!
>
> 73
> Joe VO1NA

-- 
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Hi all on 500
Where are all the 1w qro stns, its still not a lot of RF but it helps
instead of struggling like most did with 1mW.
Has the band gone the same way as 137, just about fizzled out.
Getting set up for LF/MF does not justify the effort except things change.
Even the appliance operators have gone QRT
73 mal/g3kev






























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GW4HXO is also 559 here in Vaasa, KP03SD around 22.40z

Best signals here from Michael as far as I can remember.


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ



Quoting Mike Thayne <g3gms@yahoo.co.uk>:

> Mike calling CQ on 501.5. Good signals 559. Sorry unable to reply at
> the moment. 2215z to 2225z.
>
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Alberto,

 > A good suggestion for Nico would be to implement the resampler
 > inside the Perseus software...

Yes. I'd suggest that you put that suggestion on the Perseus list to remind Nico 
that this question should have higher priority than the colour of buttons :-). I 
mentioned this VAC stuff to Nico (together with spectrum screen dumps) but he 
did not reply. Maybe a a CPU friendly fractional resampler is not easy to make :-)

73
Johan SM6LKM


Alberto di Bene wrote:
> Johan H. Bodin wrote:
> 
>> This sampling rate is re-sampled to a "standard" rate by
>> Windows when listening through the soundcard, and by the VAC software
>> (Virtual Audio Cable) when routing the signal to other programs such as
>> Wolf. Unfortunately, the VAC software seems to use a quite sloppy
>> algorithm for resampling, probably to reduce the CPU load. At some
>> output sampling rates, there are distorsion products that look like some
>> kind of "in-band aliasing" and these are not more than 40dB down or so
>> :-( Maybe this percent of THD goes unnoticed by "normal" VAC users who
>> listen to mainsream music (which is usually 100% distorsion anyway ;-) )
> 
>  Yes, I can confirm that VAC has a very bad resampler. You can hear the 
> artifacts easily, even on voice recordings. A good suggestion for Nico 
> would be to implement the resampler inside the Perseus software...
> 
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
> 
> 
> 


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Actualy I do not agree with that statement. It is only in the present state  
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 is not so many years ago that the present state of the art was considered 
beyond  the reach of machines!
 
It is surely not beyond the wit of man to imagine that a future generation  
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interpret its "meaning" using rules based on language, useage and machine-based  
artificial intelligence!
 
In the same way that the modern radio amateur has become an operator of  
"black boxes" who is to say that the next generation of Black Boxes will not  
become an operator of radio amateurs?
 
Some would say that this is alraeady the case!
 
 
   

73 de Pat  G4GVW es gd dx
Qth near Felixstowe,  UK





   

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Hi all,



This is something that may be of interest  .. To a programmer or two or 
three ? There exists collectively the expertise, but can anyone see a way of 
producing the system?



The idea  came initially from the 'Beacon Bedlam' , that existed south of 
Watford gap .. about the only time the skip distance on 500 was 'useful' in 
that band conditions in the north west where quite quiet, later to  prove a 
hindrance,



There already exists a similar system on 5 Mhz , however the transmission 
sites are defined and  participation is only possible by 'passive reception' 
not too appealing for 'experimentation' This is a 'proposal' the concept is 
proven , but 'we' need the
services of a programmer or two !! Similar thing's exist but are coded to 
use 'pics' ,



One of the main criteria is , that 'anyone' with a windows based pc should 
be able to download and install the tx/rx  software and join in, be it as a 
TX station, simply claim a 'time slot' ,  or a passive observer being 
presented with all 5 slots as a amplitude/time plot.



One of the  main attractions would be : TX stations will be able to  observe 
the other beacons in the chain , eliminating the lonely vigil of being in 
perm ante

transmit mode, while providing , at a glance, band conditions  for all 
involved as well as reducing tx duty cycle time !



The number of TX stations is proposed as 5 in the chain , more may be
possible , but the time control factor may prove too difficult to achieve 
within windows , but cw type software in beacon mode would appear top  make 
a reasonable job of time control ?

Click on http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project
- or copy & paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't
work.






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Hi Alan.
Thanks for the info, I was going by the sellers description, and thought it
could be useful to members of our group.

73's    Ken   M0KHW    IO91TV

-----Original Message-----
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Hi Ken I may be wrong but I think this is a bundled stranded (insulated?)
wire, not proper "litz" which is always laid in powers of 3, viz 81, 243,
etc this is to ensure that each strand weaves from the centre of "bundle" to
the outside and back again. It will be better than solid no doubt, but is a
cheaper version.

Alan G3NYK

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> Hi every one.
>
> Just seen on e-bay a 4.35Kg reel of 130 x 0.125 Litz wire e-bay number
> 160207115620, there are a further 4 reels available.
>
>
>
> 73's  Ken    M0KHW    IO91TV
>
>




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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:16:48 -0000
"Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> ..... That  sounds like someones test for 'AI'  .... with a  addition
> of a 'text engine' to  sort out the questions , names and call's  ,
> you'd never know if it was real station station on the other end ,
> may be there in use now ?


Just tune to 14.070 PSK31 for proof...


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Hello Marco
thank you very much for your  nice raport. You send me the first QSL for 
the Mode DFCW3.
The Beacon is also transmitting another Modes. If You like you can find 
info at --http://www.darc.de/distrikte/b/31/-- it is there also in English.
My be our administrator will need some days to put the docu at the 
homepage of B31.
very best 73 de
Roland DL3NDR

Scholz, Marco schrieb:
> Hello Roland,
> Tried to receive your new beacon on 505.145KHz and had success -> see attached pictures.
> Signal strength here in JN49ax was equal to DI2AG. 
>
> vy73
> Marco
> DD7PC
>
> RX: Yaesu FT-857 and PA0DRT Miniwhip
> mailto:dd7pc@gmx.de
> http://dd7pc.qsl.nu
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Walter und Marianne Staubach
> Sent: 23 February 2008 16:10
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Re: LF [500] DI2AT?
>
> Andrey, your reception is DI2AT, indeed. It is Roland Brüstle, DL3NDR, few days ago he got the special callsign DI2AT. He is located in JN59NO, some 12kms east of Erlangen. Antenna 50m, up 10m, pwr 1W ERP. He transmits with a software defined radio. QRG 505,145kHz.
> 73    Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrey RN3AGC" <rn3agc@mail.ru>
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> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:20 PM
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>
>   
>> Hello LFers,
>> DI2AT - there is such station, or I have not correctly accepted?
>>
>> Andrey
>>     
>
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>   
>
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Hi Roelof, this was not addressed to me but I feel I can maybe contribute
and opinion. I think it all depends on what you are wanting the sound card
to do. If you are using it as the "I/Q converter" in an SDR the the best
card produces the best results. the vital thing here is the noise level
which affects the dynamic range available, then the sampling frequency and
timing.

Your post tends to suggest that the queries are from people using Spectran
to process the audio from a receiver. In this case the achievable dynamic
range can be similar but it is not necessary for detecting small signals
which are essential buried in the noise from the reciever. I have the
internal on-board sound and an PCI M-Audio Delta 44, and I do not think I
could detect any difference when using Spectran. More important things are
keeping PC noise out of the receiver and ensuring the antenna is the
quietest are available to you but providing the highest voltage of wanted
signals.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK


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Hello Alberto,

Your program Spectran is in wide use amongst NDB chasers.
Someone had the following question:

>>
Does the quality of the sound card influence the decoding or displaying
of signals received or it this all done in the Spectran software? Some
sound cards are available for $20 and others cost over $250. Will the
higher cost sound card produce a better quality of output signal than
the cheaper one? If yes, which sound card do you recommend specifically
for this application of decodind and displaying NDB signals?
<<

Your input will be much appreciated.

73,
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I suppose sound waves are Low Frequency !
73 Laurie

On 31/01/2008, gboorerzl3pn <gboorerzl3pn@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>  Okay Rick on ultrasonics...Had a practical experience with that with the
> break up of kidney stones by ultasonics...Called here the lithotrypsey
> machine or name like it....they zerode.. in on my kidney stones and smashed
> them into smaller pieces ..i kept awake and watched the procedure a weird
> thing but it works well....73s  george zl3pn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:24 PM
> *Subject:* Re: LF: water heated by soundwaves
>
> George,
>
> ultrasonic waves are "shockwaves" (just like sound, only at higher
> frequency) that change the density of the medium. A complete different
> mechanism than electromagnetic waves.
> If you add energy into the water, no matter how, it will heat and
> eventually boil. Nothing to be stunned about.
> Ultrasonic waves have been used for ages to heat stuff. Big advantage is
> that the energy can be focused to one spot to get local heating.
> Ultrasonic ovens It has also been proposed as "save alternative" to
> microwave ovens, but with little success as it turned out to be very
> expensive to build an oven that would withstand the vibrations.
>
> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T
>
> At 02:47 31/01/2008, you wrote:
>
> hi a most interesting news item on nz tv..An elderly gent. (90s) has got a
> device where he inserts a sphere into a large tumble of water and after a
> short period the warter boils..he says its done bye ultra sonics...It has
> stunned professors and science standards...he wont let on much...thats the
> million dollar question just ??? i got a feeling the highfreqency audio
> electric current is heating the water ..BUT IS IT....george zl3pn
>
>
>
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I suppose sound waves are Low Frequency !<br>73 Laurie<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 31/01/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">gboorerzl3pn</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:gboorerzl3pn@xtra.co.nz">gboorerzl3pn@xtra.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Okay Rick on ultrasonics...Had a practical 
experience with that with the break up of kidney stones by ultasonics...Called 
here the lithotrypsey machine or name like it....they zerode.. in on my kidney 
stones and smashed them into smaller pieces ..i kept awake and watched the 
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  <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> 
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  <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:24 
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  <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: LF: water heated by 
  soundwaves</div>
  <div><br></div>George,<br><br>ultrasonic waves are &quot;shockwaves&quot; (just like 
  sound, only at higher frequency) that change the density of the medium. A 
  complete different mechanism than electromagnetic waves.<br>If you add energy 
  into the water, no matter how, it will heat and eventually boil. Nothing to be 
  stunned about.<br>Ultrasonic waves have been used for ages to heat stuff. Big 
  advantage is that the energy can be focused to one spot to get local 
  heating.<br>Ultrasonic ovens It has also been proposed as &quot;save alternative&quot; 
  to microwave ovens, but with little success as it turned out to be very 
  expensive to build an oven that would withstand the vibrations.<br><br>73, Rik 
  ON7YD - OR7T<br><br>At 02:47 31/01/2008, you wrote:<br>
  <blockquote type="cite"><font size="2">hi a most 
    interesting news item on nz tv..An elderly gent. (90s) has got a device 
    where he inserts a sphere into a large tumble of water and after a short 
    period the warter boils..he says its done bye ultra sonics...It has stunned 
    professors and science standards...he wont let on much...thats the million 
    dollar question just ??? i got a feeling the highfreqency audio electric 
    current is heating the water ..BUT IS IT....george 
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Dear Mal, LF Group,

You wrote:
> Most of what you say is theoritical and guesswork, in reality you could be
> at least 10 db out and that makes a big difference.
> Your figures in the past on 137 khz varied between 6 and 10 db by your own
> admission.

Actually, what I said is backed by hundreds of practical measurements by
myself and others. With care, the results are very consistent; I find that
field strength measurements are repeatable within +/-1dB for a particular
antenna.

The measured ERP with an antenna in an "open field" location will agree
quite accurately with the theoretical ERP calculations from antenna current
and dimensions. Antennas in less-than-ideal environments give measured ERP
that is less than the theoretical ERP. This is not surprising, since the
simple theoretical formulae make no attempt to model environmental effects.
For  the antennas I have tested at my QTH, the reduction in ERP is about 3 -
6 dB. This is a characteristic of a particular antenna and its environment,
not any kind of error.

> Amateur radio design and applications on MF and LF are not an exact
science.
> Mal/G3KEV

No experimental science is exact, but using simple calculations and
measurements with a tape measure and an RF ammeter, you can come up with a
figure for radiated power that is within a few dB of the correct value at LF
or MF. This is remarkable when compared to antenna measurements in most
other parts of the spectrum.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Uwe - thanks for the continuing support from all Eu stations putting up sign=
als. Your making my baby bottle/earthed door framed eprobes  very happy! (af=
ter a lot of leg work Eprobes have proven the best solution over room mounte=
d large tooned loops etc on this small town apartment block). Dont think Ive=
 seen as good a path since KL7/G back in Jan 2003.
=20
The distance looks good - Ill have to get the GPS out again as Ive forgotten=
 the Maidenhead but as Ive said before receiving any low eirp signals of LF=20=
is a result, though you guys are doing the hard work - Its just so so noisy=20=
ionoshperically speaking here; we have to have a mix of both good propagatio=
n plus a rare non tstormy radii
=20
The only stations Ive detected further on 137Khz are from G land. at around=20=
10800 or so - Ive yet to bag anything from East coast USA but that would be=20=
a real miracle. I think your my first D
=20
I took a look back/clearing my argo archives last night and reviewed some 10=
,000 captures (my finger is sore this morning) - Ive definately had traces o=
n your and YO's/XDV's before but nothing I would want to say was a SETI hit.=
=20
=20
Mal  KEV - thanks for the info on 9M on 160 the other night -I should get my=
 fishing rod out and see if I can get a signal out on 160 but Im "slightly"=20=
antennae challenged here, and know Im down on a guy 1 mile down the road who=
se got a full sized doublet up. No chance!
=20
Cheers
Laurence about to be mobile 9M
=20
=20
=20
> Hi Laurence,> you are welcome. I v.v. thank you for monitoring.> abt six w=
eeks try. at last my signs were visible on your grabber.> 10172km, is it fir=
st-class or have there been others who reached this distance> on LF QRGs?> >=
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Uwe - thanks for the continuing support from all Eu stations putting up sign=
als. Your making my baby bottle/earthed door framed&nbsp;eprobes &nbsp;very=20=
happy! (after a lot of leg work Eprobes have proven the best solution over r=
oom mounted large tooned loops etc on this small town&nbsp;apartment block).=
 Dont think Ive seen as good a path since KL7/G back in Jan 2003.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
The distance looks good - Ill have to get the GPS out again as Ive forgotten=
 the Maidenhead but as Ive said before receiving any low eirp signals of LF=20=
is a result, though you guys are doing the hard work - Its just so so noisy=20=
ionoshperically speaking here; we have to have a mix of both good propagatio=
n plus a rare non tstormy radii<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
The only stations Ive detected further on 137Khz&nbsp;are from G land. at ar=
ound 10800 or so&nbsp;- Ive yet to bag anything from East coast USA but that=
 would be a real miracle. I think your my first D<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
I took a look back/clearing my argo archives last night and reviewed some 10=
,000 captures (my finger is sore this morning) - Ive definately had traces o=
n your and YO's/XDV's before but nothing I would want to say was a SETI hit.=
 <BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Mal&nbsp; KEV - thanks for the info on 9M on 160 the other night -I should g=
et my fishing rod out and see if I can get a signal out on 160 but Im "sligh=
tly" antennae challenged here, and know Im down on a guy 1 mile down the roa=
d whose got a full sized doublet up. No chance!<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Cheers<BR>
Laurence about to be mobile 9M<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
<BR>&nbsp;<BR>
&gt; Hi Laurence,<BR>&gt; you are welcome. I v.v. thank you for monitoring.<=
BR>&gt; abt six weeks try. at last my signs were visible on your grabber.<BR=
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distance<BR>&gt; on LF QRGs?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; best regards<BR>&gt; Uwe/dj8wx=
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Ok Andy,

I see you have changed it ! looks like thats getting close , running that an=
d say,  speclab at a very slow=20
refresh would give the path/time info ?

Tnx - G ..=20

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Andy Talbot=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:39 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: TA on 500kHz


  There have been 18 downloads of  the beacon timing software  PCBCN  this m=
onth.  Its still there...

  http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/PCBCN.zip

  Andy  G4JNT

  =20
  On 29/02/2008, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:=20
    That's  quite well summed up ! and was one of the reasons for the 'Timed
    beacon software' , each end could run it
    and still see what was happening on the band.... dont have to  be on the
    same frequency and would of given a plot
    over time ...

    Just need someone to  code it :(

    G ..


    > Beacon acty would be an indicator for you if propagation was optimum b=
ut
    > unattended beacons would be pointless, if one was not in a position to=
 go
    > into QSO mode immediately given the right conditions.
    > To respond immediately a link on 3.5/7 mhz would be useful to indicate
    > copy
    > at either end and the link needs to be monitored in real time for a qu=
ick
    > response.
    > As far as I can see this is the only approach that will work.
    > 73 de Mal/G3KEV
    >







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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ok Andy,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I see you have changed it ! looks like that=
s=20
getting close , running that and say, &nbsp;speclab at a very slow </FONT></=
DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>refresh would give the path/time info=20
?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tnx - G .. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV     style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black=
"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dandy.g4jnt@googlemail.com     href=3D"mailto:andy.g4jnt@googlem=
ail.com">Andy Talbot</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 29, 2008 2:3=
9=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Re: Re: TA on=20
  500kHz</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>There have been 18 downloads of&nbsp; the beacon timing software&nbsp=
;=20
  PCBCN&nbsp;&nbsp;this month.&nbsp; Its still there...</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><A     href=3D"http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/PCBCN.zip">http://www.scrbg=
.org/g4jnt/PCBCN.zip</A></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Andy&nbsp; G4JNT<BR><BR>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3Dgmail_quote>On 29/02/2008, <B     class=3Dgmail_sendern=
ame>Graham</B> &lt;<A     href=3D"mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk">g8fzk@g8fz=
k.fsnet.co.uk</A>&gt;=20
  wrote:</SPAN>=20
  <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dgmail_quote     style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0p=
x 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">That's&nbsp;&nbsp;quite=20
    well summed up ! and was one of the reasons for the 'Timed<BR>beacon=20
    software' , each end could run it<BR>and still see what was happening on=
 the=20
    band.... dont have to&nbsp;&nbsp;be on the<BR>same frequency and would o=
f=20
    given a plot<BR>over time ...<BR><BR>Just need someone to&nbsp;&nbsp;cod=
e it=20
    :(<BR><BR>G ..<BR><BR><BR>&gt; Beacon acty would be an indicator for you=
 if=20
    propagation was optimum but<BR>&gt; unattended beacons would be pointles=
s,=20
    if one was not in a position to go<BR>&gt; into QSO mode immediately giv=
en=20
    the right conditions.<BR>&gt; To respond immediately a link on 3.5/7 mhz=
=20
    would be useful to indicate<BR>&gt; copy<BR>&gt; at either end and the l=
ink=20
    needs to be monitored in real time for a quick<BR>&gt; response.<BR>&gt;=
 As=20
    far as I can see this is the only approach that will work.<BR>&gt; 73 de=
=20
    Mal/G3KEV<BR>&gt;<BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=3Dall>=
<BR>--=20
  <BR>Andy&nbsp;&nbsp;G4JNT<BR><A     href=3D"http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt">ww=
w.scrbg.org/g4jnt</A>=20
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Hello,
Yesterday evening i compared my Receiver FT-857 & Miniwhip against
EKD-300 & Miniwhip and as expected the EKD was much better. I received
very early the beacon of GI4DPE and later i had a good copy of G0MRF.
However still not happy with the EKD-300 due the variable CW Pitch
(500-1200Hz). Really hard to set a CW pitch which is exactly 700 or
800Hz. Very quickly the signal is +/-20Hz and then the QRSS signal is
out of the Spectran range. I also failed to receive the WOLF signal of
M0BMU with the FT-857 it's no problem.
Does anyone know how to set a fix CW pitch on the EKD (maybe it's a
modification)?

v73
Marco

DD7PC, JN49ax


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Hello Michael,

Many thanks for the links.
I am seriously considering buying a SDR, but have to upgrade my old Pentium 
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Hi Joe and Warren

I will record the next night the 184 Khz PLEASE Warren to make
me carrying so that I locate the exact level of my reception. If
I think that I can receive Joe, I will make recordings of VO1NA
again . The moment that EUROPE I is in maintenance is :
00:00 > 02:30 utc  .

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

jcraig@mun.ca a =E9crit :
> Hello Henny,
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> It may have been Warren.  It was too strong to be me!
>
> 73
> Joe VO1NA

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Dear Jim, LF group,

yes, all Wolf GUI settings were left at "factory default" except the
speed which was changed to Wolf 20. Your signal was strong, clearly
visible in the waterfall (well, with some imagination...) but I was
really surprised to see correct "print" already on line 1! I had
expected to go through a lot of tweaking and calibration before getting
any copy at all, if any...

I played a little with Stewart's command line version a few years ago -
DL4YHF's real-time Wolf GUI is really a giant step forward in "user
friendlyness" :-)

Your guess about sampling rate is absolutely correct. There is only one
clock involved - the 80MHz (TC?)XO in the receiver hardware (the ADC
clock). Perseus output sampling rate is fixed at 31250Hz (in the current
beta release). This sampling rate is re-sampled to a "standard" rate by
Windows when listening through the soundcard, and by the VAC software
(Virtual Audio Cable) when routing the signal to other programs such as
Wolf. Unfortunately, the VAC software seems to use a quite sloppy
algorithm for resampling, probably to reduce the CPU load. At some
output sampling rates, there are distorsion products that look like some
kind of "in-band aliasing" and these are not more than 40dB down or so
:-( Maybe this percent of THD goes unnoticed by "normal" VAC users who
listen to mainsream music (which is usually 100% distorsion anyway ;-) )

Hopefully, a future release of the Perseus software itself will include 
a good "VAC mechanism" and appear as a "Recording Device" with
selectable standard sampling rates in the Windows Control Panel...


Thanks for the signal!

73
Johan SM6LKM

----

James Moritz wrote:
> Thanks to SM6LKM for the reception report - the usual problem people have
> receiving WOLF is getting the correct calibration of audio sample rate and
> receiver frequency offset set up. But  I was interested to see Johan has
> used nominal settings, and it looks like these are just right. I guess if
> you are using an SDR system with a "virtual" sound card feeding data to the
> WOLF decoder, the sampling clock in the SDR defines both the receive
> frequency and the "audio" sample rate. So in this case there will only be
> one unknown requiring calibration , which could be done using any convenient
> carrier, making life much simpler.




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Zitat von Dmitry <ra3yo@mail.ru>:

> See RA3YO and  probably DJ8WX
>
> Dmitry
>
>
>

Hello Dmitry,
thanks for the hint. abt one hour later the "WX" was identifiable.
regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv




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yes it is joe,

73s henny pa3cpm


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> Hartmut and Henny,
> 
> Many thanks for the reception reports and captures of my signals.
> It is very encouraging to learn that my weak signals are being
> detected.
> 
> Is this your first recepion of VO1NA on 1600m Henny?
> 
> 73
> Joe VO1NA
> 
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008, henny van elst wrote:
> 
>> copy vo1na (n  n)
>> 02:55z  1702
>> henny pa3cpm jo22mb
>> 73s
>


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David, LF,

I read the notice as meaning that the new conditions start 1st March 2008, 
quoting this line from the update :-

"Existing NoVs are due to expire at the end of February 2008."

But I could be wrong. Comments from others please.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp


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>
> Am I correct in assuming that the power increase is immediate and not from
> Feb 29th ??
>
> David   G0MRF
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 01/02/2008 10:38:30 GMT Standard Time, jwgould@iee.org
> writes:
>
> UK  500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care 
> to
> look at Ofcom's announcement at
>
> http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200
> 80201
>
> This  came out a little earlier than was suggested last week
>
> 73 John,  G3WKL
> RSGB HF Manager
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 




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But you do not know the whole story !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  So does an MRF150. And that only needs 50V=20
  Andy  G4JNT
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  =20
  On 01/02/2008, Ken Wright <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com> wrote:=20
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    Do you have the data for a TT22?, they have an input of 1.9W for 102W rf
    output but I don't fancy the 1250V anode voltage.

    73
    Ken  M0KHW   IO91TV

    -----Original Message-----
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    Does  anyone have a spare pair of TT22 tubes. They were popular in old L=
F/MF
    marine equip.
    73 de Mal/G3KEV






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Hello LFers,

I just saw on the CBC News that the UK experienced a magnitude
5 earthquake last evening.  Did anyone on the reflector sustain any
damage from it?  Hoping all my UK friends are ok.

Cheers & 73,

J.B., VE3EAR




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info@f-dijkshoorn.speedlinq.nl wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> Verry low (ERP) power beacon is nouw on 136.321 Khz in QRS 60.
> 
> Reports are welcome.
> 
> 73.
> Frank.

Hi Frank
58 in Mijdrecht
73 Ko


 












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Hi Jay
I have heard your signal on 500 khz and a qso would have been possible
provided you could hear me. The Ohio grabber would be useful as an indicator
when u are active.
Because of my 1W limit condx would need to be good and there has been
suitable openings in the past. If normal speed cw does not work probably the
next best thing would be QRS 1 sec dot and not more than 3 sec dot max, at
slower QRS speed qsb would be the problem leading to gaps and guesswork.
I managed a QSO perfectly well with VE1ZZ at normal speed cw because I was
able to exchange rst and other info on the peaks of my signal, whereas QRS
would not have worked. It is really being in the right place at the right
time.
Beacon acty would be an indicator for you if propagation was optimum but
unattended beacons would be pointless, if one was not in a position to go
into QSO mode immediately given the right conditions.
To respond immediately a link on 3.5/7 mhz would be useful to indicate copy
at either end and the link needs to be monitored in real time for a quick
response.
 As far as I can see this is the only approach that will work.
73 de Mal/G3KEV


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Subject: LF: TA on 500kHz


> Mal...and other T/A enthusiasts
>
> I'm interested in additional W / EU contacts on 500 kHz. To date the only
> station I've worked is Finbar ... albeit on three occassions. It would be
> helpful if those interested would run periods in beacon mode (normal cw
> speed) so that I can listen for your signals. If I can hear your station,
> you should be able to hear mine...with the higher ERP from this end.
> Setting up a sked for a particular night at a particular time is unlikely
to
> produce a QSO - conditions vary widely from day to day, hour to hour and
> even minute to minute over this path.
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "mal" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:11 AM
> Subject: LF: Re: TA on 500kHz
>
>
> > Nice qso g3/vo.
> > Joe if you would like to try a cw qso xband before the winter runs out,
> > let
> > me know , others might want to participate also.
> > 73 de Mal/G3KEV
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Dodd" <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:37 AM
> > Subject: LF: TA on 500kHz
> >
> >
> >> Hello LFers,
> >> I had a xband QSO with Joe, VO1NA at around 2230UTC this evening. My
> >> QRSS3 transmission was on 501.193kHz. I listened for Joe on 7000.5kHz.
> >> My report was M and I had to repeat his report of 569.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Peter, G3LDO
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Dear Mal, Graham, LF Group,

G3KEV wrote:
> As a rough guide to get started, assume the average amateur antenna is 1%
> efficient which is doubtful then you would need 100w fed to the antenna.
> Since a more realistic efficiency figure might be 0.5% or less you would
> need 200w.

This is incorrect. The ERP could be calculated as:

P(erp) = (TX power) x (Antenna efficiency) x (Antenna directivity)

The directivity of a small vertical antenna over the dipole reference is a
factor of 1.8 (2.6dB), so 100W into such an antenna with 1% efficiency would
give 1.8W ERP.

>The average pa efficiency is about 50% therefore you would need
> anything between 200 and 400watts dc input to get into the ball park and
> generate 1w erp.

For the class D or E PA stages many of us are using, 70% - 90% PA efficiency
would be more realistic.

> A large 1/4 wave inv L antenna might only be 5%  efficient if you are
lucky
> at this freq, because the vertical part would normally only be a few
metres
> high with a very long horizontal part.
> The antenna environment then needs consideration, buildings, trees,
hedges,
> other antenna wires in the vicinity.

The field strength and impedance measurements I did on my own antenna at my
home QTH, basically an inverted L about 10m high and 40m long, gave an
efficiency of about 0.6% at 500k, so I need around 90W TX to get 1W ERP.
Increasing the height in the centre of the span to 14m roughly doubled the
efficiency, which would reduce the power requirement to 45W. The
environmental effects, giving rise to increased loss resistance and reduced
radiation resistance due to screening effects on the antenna by nearby
objects, are quite large. The same 10m high antenna in an open field had
about 3.6% efficiency, due to reduced environmental losses and screening, so
would only need 15W TX out for 1W ERP. The much bigger antennas at G3KEV
should certainly have greater efficiency than my antennas, so would probably
only need a few watts from the transmitter to achieve 1W ERP - I guess the
heaters of Mal's TT22s will be drawing more power than the anodes!

>Your 1w erp might effectively be
> reduced to  micro watts.
> Check the near and far fields.

> I recently removed a long wire rx antenna running near my 500 khz antenna
> and gained 2 db.
> The above info is a rough guide because every radio amateur installation
is
> different, the antenna efficiency is hard to determine, hence the erp.

The antenna efficiency can't realistically be determined without field
strength measurements - if these are not available, a better approach to
estimating ERP is to calculate the radiation resistance of the antenna from
its dimensions (see formulas in RSGB handbook, LF today, ON7YD's antenna web
pages, etc.) Then the ERP can be estimated by measuring the antenna current:

P(erp) = 1.8 x Rrad x (Iant)^2

This method inherently includes the effect of  loss resistance due to
environmental effects, loading coil, etc. but does not include the radiation
resistance reduction due to the environment - but it is still a much better
estimate than trying to guess what the antenna efficiency will be.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Laurie.
I can hr that warble, think it is someone using an appliance mode.
de Mal/g3kev

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 1:31 PM
  Subject: LF: Odd Signal !


  What is "warble " signal ON TOP of G0MRF Becon?,   503.7 kHz if no one els=
e hears
  this then I have a  bad case of breakthrough !

  Thanks Laurie



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Laurie.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I can hr that warble, think it is someone u=
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>What is "warble " signal ON TOP of G0MRF Becon?, &nbsp; 503=
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I did at least twice ! Hi

On 28/02/2008, mal <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>  Call CQ and see what happens.
>
>
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> *From:* lawrence mayhead <laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com>
> *To:* rsgb <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:31 PM
> *Subject:* LF: 500kHz Activity
>
> Has anyone heard any signals on 500kHz during the last 24 hours ?
> Here only white noise no static no signals !
> Was it the earthquake ? or did my ant. fall down.
> 73 Laurie.
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I did at least twice ! Hi<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 28/02/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">mal</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Call CQ and see what happens.</font></div>
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  <div><br></div>Has anyone heard any signals on 500kHz during the last 24 hours 
  ?<br>Here only white noise no static no signals !<br>Was it the earthquake ? 
  or did my ant. fall down.<br>73 Laurie.<br>
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Heard Mal G3KEV calling CQ at 1837, RST 569. My ant:  l=3D 35 m, h=3D 10 to=20=
15 m, gnd few  20 m wires and  1.5 m vertical copper tubes. Ant tuned to 500=
 kc. Up-converter has 5-el. lpf 500 kc, NE-602 mixer w 10 Mc xtal, rx TS130.=
  Should put 80 m trap to antenna.            73/Repe.

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Jim,

Jay and I have concluded that your WOLF signal is not copyable over here 
at its present power level. I have tried on at least half of the nights 
you have been running, but without any hint of a signal. This has 
included a variety of propagation conditions from horrible to very good. 
The 503.800 frequency is not the best here, due to a local "birdie," but 
appears to be clear at Jay's QTH.

Perhaps with the newly approved ERP we will have some luck on the WOLF 
TA path.

John Andrews, W1TAG

James Moritz wrote:
> Dear LF Group,
> 
> The WOLF 20 beacon is running again (from 2250utc) on 503.800kHz with 100mW
> ERP. Any reports would be very welcome.


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Hi Ken I may be wrong but I think this is a bundled stranded (insulated?)
wire, not proper "litz" which is always laid in powers of 3, viz 81, 243,
etc this is to ensure that each strand weaves from the centre of "bundle" to
the outside and back again. It will be better than solid no doubt, but is a
cheaper version.

Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: Litz wire


> Hi every one.
>
> Just seen on e-bay a 4.35Kg reel of 130 x 0.125 Litz wire e-bay number
> 160207115620, there are a further 4 reels available.
>
>
>
> 73's  Ken    M0KHW    IO91TV
>
>



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Dear Graham, LF Group,

The problem with rope as an insulator is that, when it gets wet, its
dielectric properties will become poor, however good an insulator it is when
dry. I expect with the present relatively QRP levels at 500kHz, this will
just lead to somewhat increased antenna loss resistance. But with  more
power coming into use soon at 500k, heating of the wet rope may become a
problem. It certainly is on 136k - poor conductors/inslators in contact with
or close to the antenna conductor have a habit of melting or catching fire.
So would be a good idea to join the guy ropes to the mast via insulators.

If you are within reasonable distance of a fishing port, the braided twine
that chandlers sell for repairing nets, etc. is pretty good for
sun/weather/wear resistance, and a lot cheaper than the kevlar cord. The
main advantages of the kevlar stuff seem to be that it hardly stretches at
all under strain (if that is useful), and it is quite thin for its breaking
strain, which helps to make it less visible to disapproving neighbors and
the like. I have had some of  this guying a mast for several years now, and
it seems to be coping quite well with the elements

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Has anyone heard any signals on 500kHz during the last 24 hours ?
Here only white noise no static no signals !
Was it the earthquake ? or did my ant. fall down.
73 Laurie.

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Has anyone heard any signals on 500kHz during the last 24 hours ?<br>Here only white noise no static no signals !<br>Was it the earthquake ? or did my ant. fall down.<br>73 Laurie.<br>

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That's  quite well summed up ! and was one of the reasons for the 'Timed 
beacon software' , each end could run it
and still see what was happening on the band.... dont have to  be on the 
same frequency and would of given a plot
over time ...

Just need someone to  code it :(

G ..


> Beacon acty would be an indicator for you if propagation was optimum but
> unattended beacons would be pointless, if one was not in a position to go
> into QSO mode immediately given the right conditions.
> To respond immediately a link on 3.5/7 mhz would be useful to indicate 
> copy
> at either end and the link needs to be monitored in real time for a quick
> response.
> As far as I can see this is the only approach that will work.
> 73 de Mal/G3KEV
>




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Hello Jean-Pierre,

      Yes, I looked at the grabber, thank you for running it!
Strong storm today, XGJ may not be on tonite unless the storm is finished.

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ


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Hello Warren and Henny,

Also good copy of "XGJ" last night, ( I think that you looked at the
grabber ) today the noise returned almost normal ! I hope for a good
propagation the next night .

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

K2ORS a écrit :
> Henny,
>  Thank you for the capture!
> XGJ was only on for 40 minutes (One "XGJ" QRSS cycle)!
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* henny van elst <mailto:cpm@planet.nl>
>     *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>     <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>     *Sent:* Friday, February 01, 2008 7:51 AM
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>
>     *capture xgj*
>     *henny pa3cpm*
>     *73s*
>

-- 
Website : http://jpmere.online.fr/




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WD2XES will again run WOLF(10) tonight from about 0000 to 0800 UTC on 
137.577 kHz. There will be a break of about a half-hour at 0200 for a 
cross-band QSO with WE2XGR/2, possibly in PSK31. Reports are welcome.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES


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Ditto.

Jay


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Mike,
> 
> Nothing seen of you or Uwe overnight.
> 
> John Andrews, W1TAG
> 
> Mike Dennison wrote:
>> I have moved my beacon 0.25Hz lower to 136.3185kHz as DJ8WX is on 
>> 136.3190 instead of his usual frequency.
>>From 1900 it will start on each hour.
>


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Hello Mike,

what's your QTH?
If it is not to far north or west a QSO could be possible at the right momen=
t.
On 2 occasions I could hear the G0MRF beacon in CW, I believe it's =20
running just a few mW.
My TX is not really QRS proof yet, I just did a test last night to see =20
the result on the GM4SLV and G3YXM grabbers, but the smell in the =20
shack was not too well at the end ... the PA is still getting vey hot.
But we could try a mixed QRS / CW QSO. Next week will be very busy, =20
but the week afterward is OK.

73, Rik  ON7YD

Quoting Mike Thayne <g3gms@yahoo.co.uk>:

> Hi Rik
> Just to let you know I heard your CQ calls 559 between 2140 and 2210 on
> 503. Pity nobody else was listening. I did reply to you but my poor set
> up did not get through to you. Also answered your QRSS at 2220z which
> was also 559 but equally no joy. I am working on improving my Tx set up
> so I do look forward to success in contacting you the future.
> Best regards
> Mike, G3GMS  in loc IO95GB
>
>
>
>       ___________________________________________________________
> Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! For =20
>  Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/
>
>



Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm


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Hello Jean-Pierre,

    Thank you for the report and captures!
Yes it appears that you have captures of WE2XEB - first 1750 meter signals 
from U.S. to Europe!
I will run WE2XEB again tonight.

73 Warren K2ORS
                  WE2XEB/2



----- Original Message ----- 
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Hello Warren,

This night I copied traces on 184.005 kHz , I think
that they is them your ! the screenshoot are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj


K2ORS a Ã©crit :
> Hi Marco,
>
>     WE2XEB/2 is my experimental license for 160-189kHz.
> Power on 184kHz is  250 watts out of the TX, ERP is between .75 to 1 watt.
> WD2XGJ on 137kHz has an ERP of 3.5-4 watts (thanks to John W1TAG for the 
> measurements!)
>
> I use the same loop antenna for WE2XEB as for WD2XGJ, details are posted 
> at:
> http://www.kc3ol.dynip.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260
>
> Best chance to copy is from 0000-02:30 UTC when 183kHz is off the air.
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>                  WD2XGJ (136-140kHz)
>                  WE2XEB/2 (160-189kHz)
>                  WE2XGR/1 (505-515kHz)
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scholz, Marco " 
> <marco.scholz@citi.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:20 PM
> Subject: AW: Re: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): xgj1502.jpg
>
>
>> Hello Warren,
>> do you know power/ant of WE2XEB?
>> Do you a chance to receive it with a relative small setup?
>>
>> many thanks
>> vy73
>> Marco
>> DD7PC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
>> <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Fri Feb 15 18:14:02 2008
>> Subject: Re: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): xgj1502.jpg
>>
>> Henny,
>>
>>       Thank you for the capture!
>>
>> WD2XGJ will be QRT on 137kHz, instead WE2XEB/2 will be sending QRSS 60 on 
>> 184.005 kHz.
>>
>> 73 Warren K2ORS
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: henny van elst <mailto:cpm@planet.nl>
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:19 PM
>> Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): xgj1502.jpg
>>
>> capt.xgj  15:02  time 02:50z
>> henny
>> pa3cpm
>> 73s
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

-- 
Website : http://jpmere.online.fr/




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Dear LF Group,

The WOLF 20 beacon is running again with same conditions as before -
503.800kHz, 100mW ERP, from about 2215utc. Any reports would be very
welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Hi all
I cannot get the ofcom page to which John refers for a 500 khz update. Has
anyone got the info.
I have been away in GI for the past 3 weeks.
73 mal/g3kev



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Can anybody help?  I am trying to repair a T-storm damaged LF multicoupler

in which the front end National Semiconductors CLC200 requires replacing.

With apologies for being off topic.

Brian CT1DRP



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Congrats to you Warren  for your TA^3 on 1600m and also to Henny on his 
first reception of my very weak signals!

Joe VO1NA


On Sun, 17 Feb 2008, K2ORS wrote:

> Thanks to Jean-Pierre F1AFJ, Henny PA3CPM, Hartmut, Sal K1RGO, Tom N8TL, Andy KU4XR for the reports and captures of WE2XEB/2!
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>                WE2XEB/2
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: henny van elst
>  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>  Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 5:32 AM
>  Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): we2xeb.jpg
>
>
>  capture we2xeb/2
>  184005khz
>  02:25z
>  henny pa3cpm jo22mb
>  73s


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Hi Marco,

     WE2XEB/2 is my experimental license for 160-189kHz.
Power on 184kHz is  250 watts out of the TX, ERP is between .75 to 1 watt.
WD2XGJ on 137kHz has an ERP of 3.5-4 watts (thanks to John W1TAG for the 
measurements!)

I use the same loop antenna for WE2XEB as for WD2XGJ, details are posted at:
http://www.kc3ol.dynip.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260

Best chance to copy is from 0000-02:30 UTC when 183kHz is off the air.

73 Warren K2ORS
                  WD2XGJ (136-140kHz)
                  WE2XEB/2 (160-189kHz)
                  WE2XGR/1 (505-515kHz)


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hello Warren,
> do you know power/ant of WE2XEB?
> Do you a chance to receive it with a relative small setup?
>
> many thanks
> vy73
> Marco
> DD7PC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
> <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Fri Feb 15 18:14:02 2008
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> Henny,
>
>       Thank you for the capture!
>
> WD2XGJ will be QRT on 137kHz, instead WE2XEB/2 will be sending QRSS 60 on 
> 184.005 kHz.
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: henny van elst <mailto:cpm@planet.nl>
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:19 PM
> Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): xgj1502.jpg
>
> capt.xgj  15:02  time 02:50z
> henny
> pa3cpm
> 73s
>
>
> 



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Hi J.B. & LF,

Not even a ripple in my whiskey HI HI. Did not know anything about it until 
hearing it announced on the TV & radio news & as Laurence wrote "damage to 
my ears", I am more than fed up of all the hype !!

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hello LFers,
>
> I just saw on the CBC News that the UK experienced a magnitude
> 5 earthquake last evening.  Did anyone on the reflector sustain any
> damage from it?  Hoping all my UK friends are ok.
>
> Cheers & 73,
>
> J.B., VE3EAR
>
>
> 



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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Verduyn" <jan.verduyn@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: CW Skimmer
It is virtually impossible for a machine to read poor morse because when the
elements are split up you get a different character to that intended.


> I expect it is only a matter of time before CW Skimmer will cope with poor
> quality CW signals, similarly to what CWGet is apparently capable of.
> Just a case of implementing an the algorithm. If I had to name software
> authors who are capable of doing this than Alex the author of CW Skimmer
> would be at the top of my list...
>
> It's not that many years ago that a skilled CW operator beat the PC at
> decoding CW signals just below noiselevel...with QRSS this has now been
> accepted that a PC does better.
>
> I ran CW Skimmer during 160m contest on 26th Jan and it decoded some 130+
> stations using a softrock RX... extremely impressive software
What about the 700 plus that you missed.

>
> Jan G0BBL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roman ." <rw3adb@rambler.ru>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:34 AM
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>
>
> That systems are working with 'ideal' quality CW signal only.
> The other famous shareware program CW skimmer in russia is UA9OSV CwGet:
> http://www.dxsoft.com/ru/products/cwget/
>
>
>
> * John W Gould <jwgould@iee.org> [Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:54:10 -0000]:
> > Not sure if this has been mentioned on this group but an interesting
> > piece
> > of software by Alex, VE3NEA, called CW Skimmer has recently been made
> > available, see
> > http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/
> >
> > Although the software costs $75 one can download a trial version (30
> > days).
> > It's interesting to see that whilst away from the shack this evening
> the
> > program correctly identified G3KEV (501.9 at 19:35) and also G0MRF
> > (503.0 at
> > 19:37).   The callsign picking routine must have been designed for the
> > HF
> > bands, where the protocol is very mature, so got a bit confused with
> the
> > protocol used on 500kHz and eventually decided that David callsign was
> > IO91TK!
> >
> > It seems to need a reasonable S/N, but could be quite useful if one is
> > not
> > able to personally monitor the band all of the time.  Have others
> tried
> > it?
> >
> > 73 John, G3WKL
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Roman ..
>
>
>
>
> --
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date:
14/02/2008 18:35
>


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Hello,
Copied this morning very strong DL4EAU and much weaker PA3CW (not 100%
sure about the call) on 137.700KHz.

Wish all a nice sunny sunday
vy73

Marco
DD7PC
JN49ax

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Not sure if this has been mentioned on this group but an interesting piece
of software by Alex, VE3NEA, called CW Skimmer has recently been made
available, see
http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/

Although the software costs $75 one can download a trial version (30 days).
It's interesting to see that whilst away from the shack this evening the
program correctly identified G3KEV (501.9 at 19:35) and also G0MRF (503.0 at
19:37).   The callsign picking routine must have been designed for the HF
bands, where the protocol is very mature, so got a bit confused with the
protocol used on 500kHz and eventually decided that David callsign was
IO91TK!=20

It seems to need a reasonable S/N, but could be quite useful if one is not
able to personally monitor the band all of the time.  Have others tried it?

73 John, G3WKL




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Hello Henny and LF group,

There are indeed 3 N's in that capture and traces of several 
more. This is very impressive.  Thank-you very much!  The TX will remain 
on on 184.006 kHz for the next week.

73
Joe

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> capture vo1na     n   n    n
> 03:45z
> henny pa3cpm
> 73s


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Excellent signal here, at least 6db over G0MRF
73 Laurie

On 15/02/2008, Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi all at LF,
>
> Testing stopped for me to have a meal, I wanted to be in the shack during
> initial testing.
>
> I will resume shortly, again at 1 watt ERP.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> To: "LF (Rsgb LF Group)" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:43 PM
> Subject: LF: Testing 503.600 KHz
>
>
> > Hello LF,
> >
> > Initial testing on 503.600 KHz 1 watt ERP.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
> >
> >
>
>
>

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Excellent signal here, at least 6db over G0MRF<br>73 Laurie<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 15/02/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">Gary - G4WGT</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi all at LF,<br> <br> Testing stopped for me to have a meal, I wanted to be in the shack during<br> initial testing.<br> <br> I will resume shortly, again at 1 watt ERP.<br> <br> 73<br> <br> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp<br> <br>
 ----- Original Message -----<br> From: &quot;Gary - G4WGT&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt;<br> To: &quot;LF (Rsgb LF Group)&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>&gt;<br>
 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:43 PM<br> Subject: LF: Testing 503.600 KHz<br> <br> <br> &gt; Hello LF,<br> &gt;<br> &gt; Initial testing on 503.600 KHz 1 watt ERP.<br> &gt;<br> &gt; 73<br> &gt;<br> &gt; Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp<br>
 &gt;<br> &gt;<br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div><br>

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Hi Laurie, LF,

Thanks for my report.

Unfortunately the PSU just failed, it was in fact the PSU I was testing as 
the Tx has been proved at higher power on 136 KHz.
This PSU has now failed the same way 3 or 4 times.

Back to the drawing board or the wallet !!

Cheers,

Gary - G4WGT.

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Excellent signal here, at least 6db over G0MRF
> 73 Laurie
>
> On 15/02/2008, Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all at LF,
>>
>> Testing stopped for me to have a meal, I wanted to be in the shack during
>> initial testing.
>>
>> I will resume shortly, again at 1 watt ERP.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>> To: "LF (Rsgb LF Group)" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:43 PM
>> Subject: LF: Testing 503.600 KHz
>>
>>
>> > Hello LF,
>> >
>> > Initial testing on 503.600 KHz 1 watt ERP.
>> >
>> > 73
>> >
>> > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
> 



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Rik,

As I know you are active and have the possibility of a much stronger signal.

I have not managed to obtain an NoV yet and so all experiments just RX to
date. I have not posted to LF list yet, please don't mention this yet, I
want to gauge some comments before I do.

What do you think?

73

Dom
M1KTA

Hi all,

I have tried a few rough calculations on TX and RX signal strengths and I
have had an exchange with Alan Melia which I copy some of below, I think it
might be worth this experiment so I post here as a note:

The UK allocation being renewed for 500 kHz with an increase in effective TX
power levels and ON 500 kHz stations with a 5W ERP means they may be strong
enough.
 
I am preparing my kit for a trip in March 2008 to Mauritius 3B8, and
possibly but unlikely 3B9. I know I will not have a licence to TX on 500 KHz
whilst there but I will have for HF. I will take a 500 kHz SDR RX (498kHz to
526kHz possible) and a RX preamp. I can make my nearly full size 1/4
wavelength 80m vertical which I use on 160m a 500 kHz resonant vertical and
if conditions permit and I can see signals I will try a full 1/4 wave kite
vertical. 

As Alan rightly points out there are some higher power US stations I should
listen out for as well.

I will setup the SDR RX and monitor the 500 kHz band when operating HF as
planned, if I see anything on 500 kHz I will report it. In UK I have not
usually seen any interference problems when operating the two.  I am not
looking for a cross band QSO or any ability of that nature. Just to see if I
can RX the 500 kHz signals.

Please if you think you might be operating during the hours of a dark path
between you and 3B8 (GMT/UTC + 4 hours) between 1st and 17th March 2008 then
please let me know and I will make the effort to see if I can RX your
signals. Normal CW audio RX not likely but QRSS or similar modes may be. I
will have internet access so any reports might be almost instant.
 
I have a report that 500 kHz in the region is without excessive noise but I
do not know what else might be heard.

I am completely open to comments and advise.

73

Dom
M1KTA



----- Original Message ----
From: Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>

Hi Dom well not many of us have experience of really long distance 500 kHz
propagation. I would say that it is highly unlikely you will find any
audible (CW) amateur stations (but of course I could just be proved wrong!!)
...we have only just made it across the Atlantic, and then from very
advantageous positions. Bear in mind also that although we expect our "NoVs"
to be extended it might not happen and we wont know for a few weeks yet.

The chances of seeing a signal (QRSS etc) are probably higher but there are
a limited number of stations who could offer a big enough ERP to make that
distance. At present I would not put a great deal of effort into 500 kHz. If
you do want to listen (watch!!) I would consider covering the US band (505
to 515) as well because there are some stations like Warren K2ORS who have a
permit for quite a lot of power and the kit to actually run it into a
reasonable antenna.

Paths will need to be be almost totally in darkness similar to 160/80/40.
You can get away with about and hour after dawn and an hour before sunset at
the best. Long distance LF should be good this year, provided we don't get
an "unseasonal" set of geomagnetic storms at the time of the "expedition".
Being a predominantly N<>S path it may well be different from our
experiences on the N-Atlantic.

LF is not a matter of setting a sked time with someone (yet) it is more a
case of sitting watching conditions and hoping. The important thing on the
receive antenna is to make it resonate. Because you wont be transmitting
there are no voltage worries with the components.

I am sure you will stimulate some activity if folks know you are listening
from an exotic location, particularly if you have the internet available for
"instant reports"

Cheers de Alan G3NYK


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe
Sent: 01 February 2008 10:51
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Subject: Re: LF: Extension to UK 500kHz NoV

Great news!

I was afraid to get lonely on 600m on March 1st ;-)

1 W ERP should give strong signals all over Europe and maybe even further.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 11:37 1/02/2008, you wrote:
>UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care to
>look at Ofcom's announcement at
>
>http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/20
0
>80201
>
>This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week
>
>73 John, G3WKL
>RSGB HF Manager


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Hi all,
my antenna match problem is fixed, and i can transmit again (the low winds 
mean the antenna has been up all week)
The problem causing the mismatch was an artificially raised water table, due 
to a blocked sewer.. dont ask..

So I am calling CQ again 502.25 , xtal controlled for now.. still 100mW ERP 
but thinking more power..

Hope to catch some activity
Mark GM4ISM io85ar  www.dc2light.co.uk




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.. just working PA0LCE xband 501.5 kHz / 3.575 kHz, and -shortly before- 
a certain DL-station with a crippled attic dipole and only 20 watts on 
80 meters ;-)

Two "firsts" on one evening: GW/PA MF/HF , and GW/DL MF/HF , congrats 
Mike - and many thanks for the activity.

73,
  Wolf DL4YHF .


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ok tu warren,

73s henny cpm
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  Henny,

     Not me I was on 137.7798 last night.
  I hope to retune for 184kHz later this week.

  73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ


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    capure who?
    184005khz
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Hello Uwe,
accepted your station till 06.50 z (09.50 local time)!
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73


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Hello Roland,
Tried to receive your new beacon on 505.145KHz and had success -> see attach=
ed pictures.
Signal strength here in JN49ax was equal to DI2AG.=20

vy73
Marco
DD7PC

RX: Yaesu FT-857 and PA0DRT Miniwhip
mailto:dd7pc@gmx.de
http://dd7pc.qsl.nu


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Andrey, your reception is DI2AT, indeed. It is Roland Br=FCstle, DL3NDR, few=
 days ago he got the special callsign DI2AT. He is located in JN59NO, some 1=
2kms east of Erlangen. Antenna 50m, up 10m, pwr 1W ERP. He transmits with a=20=
software defined radio. QRG 505,145kHz.
73    Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF

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> Hello LFers,
> DI2AT - there is such station, or I have not correctly accepted?
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Laurie you must have a great S meter, I could only copy him S8/9 with deep q=
sb and that is on a 190m vert loop.
The 1w erp will certainly help, instead of struggling most of the time, ther=
e should be much better copy on all signals, with a better chance of some dx=
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73 de Mal/G3KEV

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  GI4DPE running 30db over noise here tonight,
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  73 Laurie



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... "TEST"-ing on 501.5 kHz.

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Great news!

I was afraid to get lonely on 600m on March 1st ;-)

1 W ERP should give strong signals all over Europe and maybe even further.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 11:37 1/02/2008, you wrote:
>UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care to
>look at Ofcom's announcement at
>
>http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200
>80201
>
>This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week
>
>73 John, G3WKL
>RSGB HF Manager


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Zitat von Laurence KL1X <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>:

>
> Dmitry - QSL  - Nice "YO" then full call sequence. AOS around 2030z 
> LOS after 20 mins after my local dawn 2326Z - great signals and 
> hoping for even better tonight.
>
> I saw nothing on 500KHz during the same period. It wasnt all that 
> quiet last night either with strong storms North of Borneo but 
> nothing too close. It hasnt rained here for over a week which I think 
> it the longest Ive seen
>
> Im still unsure of the other signals HF of you - but when I get a 
> moment ill take another looksee
>
> Thanks to you, WX and XDV for the signals
>
> Ill have the system running for USA pre dawn and then for Eu/Asia 
> tonight both 500 and 137KHz
>
> 73 - Laurence, 9V1LF/M at the moment -

Hi Laurence,
you are welcome. I v.v. thank you for monitoring.
abt six weeks try. at last my signs were visible on your grabber.
10172km, is it first-class or have there been others who reached this distance
on LF QRGs?

best regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv






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Ok Warren ,
I listenning on 184005 tonight
73 Jean-Pierre f1 afj

K2ORS a =E9crit :
> Jean-Pierre,
>
>   Thank you for running the 137 kHz grabber!
> Tonight I am on 184.005 but tomorrow back on 137.7798 kHz
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS etc.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9"=20
> <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:24 PM
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>
>
>> Hello on LF ,
>>
>> Grabber is again operational (137773>137782 and 136315>136322) There=20
>> are always sporadic noise ! one will make with ! .....
>>
>> The captures of night are with this URL :
>> http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
>>
>> grabber at :
>> http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm
>>
>> 73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
>>
>> --=20
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Hello Paul-Henrik,

Thank you for my report, it is my best distance heard on 500 KHz, 1742 kms.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp


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Easy first copy here of G4WGT at 539 on 503.6kHz 08.02.2008 21.50UTC


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Hello Warren,

This night I copied traces on 184.005 kHz , I think
that they is them your ! the screenshoot are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj


K2ORS a =C3=A9crit :
> Hi Marco,
>
>     WE2XEB/2 is my experimental license for 160-189kHz.
> Power on 184kHz is  250 watts out of the TX, ERP is between .75 to 1=20
> watt.
> WD2XGJ on 137kHz has an ERP of 3.5-4 watts (thanks to John W1TAG for=20
> the measurements!)
>
> I use the same loop antenna for WE2XEB as for WD2XGJ, details are=20
> posted at:
> http://www.kc3ol.dynip.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3D260
>
> Best chance to copy is from 0000-02:30 UTC when 183kHz is off the air.
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>                  WD2XGJ (136-140kHz)
>                  WE2XEB/2 (160-189kHz)
>                  WE2XGR/1 (505-515kHz)
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scholz, Marco "=20
> <marco.scholz@citi.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:20 PM
> Subject: AW: Re: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): xgj1502.jpg
>
>
>> Hello Warren,
>> do you know power/ant of WE2XEB?
>> Do you a chance to receive it with a relative small setup?
>>
>> many thanks
>> vy73
>> Marco
>> DD7PC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
>> <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Fri Feb 15 18:14:02 2008
>> Subject: Re: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): xgj1502.jpg
>>
>> Henny,
>>
>>       Thank you for the capture!
>>
>> WD2XGJ will be QRT on 137kHz, instead WE2XEB/2 will be sending QRSS=20
>> 60 on 184.005 kHz.
>>
>> 73 Warren K2ORS
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: henny van elst <mailto:cpm@planet.nl>
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:19 PM
>> Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): xgj1502.jpg
>>
>> capt.xgj  15:02  time 02:50z
>> henny
>> pa3cpm
>> 73s
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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Whilst there =3Dmay=3D be a trace of my 138.3185kHz sigs at the start of=20
your picture, Uwe's 'WX' can clearly be seen just above 136.319.=20
Congratulations to you and him, and also to Dimitry, whose DFCW is=20
very readable.

Mike, G3XDV
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On 21 Feb 2008 at 3:28, Laurence KL1X wrote:

>=20
> Ive put up a full grab of the best capture from last evening (Eu)
> 137KHz
>=20
> http://kl1x.com/febargo.jpg
>=20
> Yo is dash "high"
>=20
> Dmitry RA3YO is roughly 8532 Kms from here, Ewe DJ8WX 10172Kms, Mike
> XDV is 10843Kms or so and the paths over some High mountains in
> respect to Wavelength midpath!
>=20
> Conditions still look to be reasonable and Im still stormless.
>=20
> Good luck
>=20
> Laurence 9V1 LF
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GI4DPE running 30db over noise here tonight,
never been so strong.
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GI4DPE running 30db over noise here tonight,<br>never been so strong.<br>73 Laurie<br>

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Tonight I am transmitting on 136.320kHz for 2/3 hours, from 20:30.
QRSS60.
I hope this freq. is clear of all others yet still within the
window at KL1X

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Tonight I am transmitting on 136.320kHz for 2/3 hours, from 20:30.<br>QRSS60.<br>I hope this freq. is clear of all others yet still within the <br>window at KL1X<br><br>73 Laurie G3AQC<br> 

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UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care to
look at Ofcom's announcement at=20

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200
80201

This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week

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Hello Pat, LFers,

Well said.  As a young lad I recall making my first "rig" from a Ford
spark coil and sending CW to my neighbour next door.  Hardly DX,
but I felt a mile high!  On the other side of the coin, I've not made a
CW transmission since taking my Advanced test in 1974, that is if I
don't include my QRSS30 Lowfer beacon.  There's something for
everyone in this great hobby of ours!

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
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EN93dr

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Hi Warren, Group.

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, K2ORS wrote:

>  What is your power and antenna on 184?

10 watts output 0.4 amps to a wire about 100m long and about 10 m high.

73
Joe


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I have moved my beacon 0.25Hz lower to 136.3185kHz as DJ8WX is on 
136.3190 instead of his usual frequency.

>From 1900 it will start on each hour.

Mike, G3XDV
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Slept right through it we are about 100 miles from the epicentre though some
closer did suffer some damage.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7266146.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7267567.stm

Funny thing at work though, I sit next to the IT support desk and a user
said their laptop external screen was off centre up so support person next
to me said, no kidding... "Oh that's because of the earth quake this
morning, it will have moved some of the screen pixels about just reset it by
pressing 'auto' on the monitor and you'll be OK". User thanked and carried
on! Hihi I know earthquakes are not always funny but that was amusing.

73
 
Dom
M1KTA

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Hello LFers,

I just saw on the CBC News that the UK experienced a magnitude
5 earthquake last evening.  Did anyone on the reflector sustain any
damage from it?  Hoping all my UK friends are ok.

Cheers & 73,

J.B., VE3EAR





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Ken

the link was cut in 2 pieces somewhere along the road, try
****
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/20080201
****
Everything between the **** should be on one line

73, Rik  ON7YD

At 13:28 1/02/2008, you wrote:
>John.
>I am unable to access the link below.
>
>73  Ken M0KHW
>
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>UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care to
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>
>http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200
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>
>This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week
>
>73 John, G3WKL
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Laurence,

>9M/G4DMA mobile avoiding the water cannons, enroute 9V1

Water cannons?

73 Warren K2ORS

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Laurence KL1X=20
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  Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 7:08 AM
  Subject: LF: A dB or more or less



  I dunno, but a dB can make a lot of difference here -every dB is in my min=
d is valuable as it gains that little s over n even at LF. As I have a BIG n=
  (sic) ill take that dB please.
  =20
  Long haul to Eu is still rather odd with deep QSB but peaks are good - con=
grats on getting the 184 across the pond.
  =20
  Looking forward to seeing and hearing some signals in a few weeks and gett=
ing away from the heat - Ill be mobile /5 Texas and Oklahoma and /KL7 for a=20=
couple of weeks in March.
  =20
  9M/G4DMA mobile avoiding the water cannons, enroute 9V1


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Laurence,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>&gt;9M/G4DMA mobile avoiding the water cannons, enro=
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9V1<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Water cannons?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>73 Warren K2ORS</FONT></DIV>
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  <A title=3Dhellozerohellozero@hotmail.com     href=3D"mailto:hellozerohell=
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Hello Alberto,

Many thanks for your help!

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Hi Laurie, LF,

I use RS232 (9 pin serial) port for my QRS  (QRS.EXE) RTS pin 7 & DTR pin 4 
for ptt & key, I also use RTTY with TrueTTY using TxD pin 3 also.

No problems using the simple interface provided in the help with QRS.EXE.

Some software will use the LPT1 parallel printer port, QRS.EXE is one.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Does anyone have experience of using a computer without RS232 for QRS.
> I have tried to get an output from the 9 pin serial ports on my computer, 
> it
> appears that the -12 volts  on  the appropriate pin (pin 4 for Key ) drops
> only
> momentarily. If this is correct I will need a latch to hold the command
> until
> released. Is this the general experience or am I doing something wrong
> (again ! )
> Thanks 73 Laurie.
> 



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Dmitry - QSL  - Nice "YO" then full call sequence. AOS around 2030z LOS afte=
r 20 mins after my local dawn 2326Z - great signals and hoping for even bett=
er tonight.
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Dmitry - QSL&nbsp; - Nice "YO" then full call sequence. AOS around 2030z LOS=
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&nbsp;<BR>
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Hello Henny,

It may have been Warren.  It was too strong to be me!

73
Joe VO1NA

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> capure who?
> 184005khz
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Hello LFers,
I had a xband QSO with Joe, VO1NA at around 2230UTC this evening. My 
QRSS3 transmission was on 501.193kHz. I listened for Joe on 7000.5kHz. 
My report was M and I had to repeat his report of 569.

Regards
Peter, G3LDO


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Greetings all,

Just caught G3XIZ on 503.4 kHz (xband 3576 kHz), shortly before a 
neighbour turned on his local QRM-machine (which is, most likely a TV 
set with plasma display).
Thanks for the QSO, Chris..  next LF/MF crossband when I'm back at DK4U 
or DF0WD ? My attic dipole at home is the ultimate non-performer on LF ;-)

73,
  Wolf  DL4YHF .



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Hello on LF ,

Grabber is again operational (137773>137782 and 136315>136322) There are always sporadic noise ! one will make with ! .....

The captures of night are with this URL :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

grabber at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

-- 
Website : http://jpmere.online.fr/

















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Hello Roland, good copy again tonight,thanx for this new MF beacon.
 
 
F4DTL in  JN18FP

RX : IC 7400
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WE2XGR/3 will run in WOLF(10) mode on 508.500 kHz tonight, starting 
around 2330 UTC. Reports are welcome.

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Hello Ko and Andrey,

Thanks you both for the good reports, I have seen my signal on Markus gabber 
and its looks stronger than I expected.

I only used a 15 meter long vertical with no topload, and the tx power is 
about 250 watts.

I think this new and free location in JO21 IU is helping me a lot.

Regards Frank.

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> Hello Frank,
> capture of the ninth February 02.10z.
> My loc: KO85SV
> 73! 



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Jim,

Thanks for the try. I will probably not be able to run again until 
Thursday night / Friday morning. I'll post a note here.

John Andrews, W1TAG

James Moritz wrote:
> Dear John, LF Group,
> 
> Left the receiver on your frequency overnight last night, but nil copy
> unfortunately.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 
> 
> 
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands"
> <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>; <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:55 PM
> Subject: LF: WD2XES WOLF again
> 
> 
>> WD2XES will again run WOLF(10) tonight from about 0000 to 0800 UTC on
>> 137.577 kHz. There will be a break of about a half-hour at 0200 for a
>> cross-band QSO with WE2XGR/2, possibly in PSK31. Reports are welcome.
>>
>> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
>>
>>
> 
> 
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> 
> 


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Does anyone really listen to these beacons at present. In the early days
they were useful but now there is very little reporting. The majority of
operators that I speak to do not look for beacons, only real time QSO'S .
If one looks at the odd beacon report it is the same person reporting over
and over and is meaningless. I have not seen a report from any new countries
for a long time, no one listening. even heard a BEACON CQ today from a GW
station that went on for hours!!!!!!!!!!!!
The preferred mode on this band is normal CW and a real QSO.
Grabbers are useful for propagation testing when the band is quiet but a
real qso and report is more authentic and do not forget xband working for a
report from around EU.
The experienced operator knows when their system is working.

De G3KEV


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The weather has deteriorated so I won't leave the beacon on all 
night. Transmissions started at 1700, and will continue to the one 
starting at 0000. The entire 'XDV' takes about 35 minutes.

136.3185kHz, QRSS60.

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I am running my beacon overnight on 136.31875kHz, QRSS60.

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I will beacon again tonight. Last night's transatlantic conditions 
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136.3185kHz, QRSS60.

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Hi all.

Verry low (ERP) power beacon is nouw on 136.321 Khz in QRS 60.

Reports are welcome.

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Frank.




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Does  anyone have a spare pair of TT22 tubes. They were popular in old LF/MF
marine equip.
73 de Mal/G3KEV


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John,

Well yes its a shame I like psk, its very good mode , but the number of  key 
tap qso's  opposed to  mouse click's ones are very few ! , but then agen did 
cw every really get past the same hi good-by formatt on 20 ?

G ..





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> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:16:48 -0000
> "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> ..... That  sounds like someones test for 'AI'  .... with a  addition
>> of a 'text engine' to  sort out the questions , names and call's  ,
>> you'd never know if it was real station station on the other end ,
>> may be there in use now ?
>
>
> Just tune to 14.070 PSK31 for proof...
>
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>
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Marco,

Sorry, but the two messages last night were WD2XES 137.577K and XES 
WINTER WOLF. Thanks for the try, though. You probably just didn't have 
enough signal for a proper decode. Hartmut did very well with it in Germany:
http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES+

Scholz, Marco wrote:

> Tried then for the rest of the night to copy WD2XES in Wolf10 ( a short
> test before with M0BMU was successful directly after t:144).
> Unfortunately i fail to copy XES. Not sure if this was something close:
> t:2880 f:-0.566 pm:207.4 jm: 43 q: -3.9 -7.5 ???GOU7 QSH3GS. ?
> t:2976 f:-0.566 pm:207.5 jm: 43 q: -3.8 -7.5 ???GOU7 QSH3GS. ?
> t:3072 f:-0.566 pm:207.8 jm: 43 q: -3.8 -7.5 ???GOU7 QSH3GS. ?


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Nothing last night on LF - torrential rain and tstorms - no sleep cos of the=
 noise!
=20
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laurence 9v1 LF


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i, 22 Feb 2008 00:51:02 -0900Subject: LF: 137Khz last night - poorer


Just a few dB down from the previous night - RA3YO 136,3175 +- dfcw and othe=
r traces were weaker but there. Tstorms around and the first drop of rain fo=
r two weeks. Laurence 9V1 LFSingaporehttp://kl1x.com

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Nothing last night&nbsp;on LF&nbsp;- torrential rain and tstorms - no sleep=20=
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..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Hartmut Wolff" <h-wolff@gmx.de>
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> Updated my website with captures of DJ6GT, DK6NI, DK8ND, DL4EAU,
> F6BIR, UA4WPF, WD2XES and WD2XGJ.
>
>
> Captures can be seen here:
> http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm
>
> 73
> Hartmut
> www.h-wolff.de
> Locator: JO52hp
>
>
>
>
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> 




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Looking to replace the guy ropes on my vertical mast , the blue polyprop is 
showing signs of over exposure to  the sun and starting to  fray



I'm wondering if the 'kevlar' type of ropes would be suited, as the mast is 
a radiating element ?



But as far as I know, the rope conducts electrically, which would not be a 
good  material to  have in the saturation field of the element



How conductive is the 'rope' ? is it just a leakage or a full low ohm 
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Tnx - G ..




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Thanks to Henny and Hartmut for the reports and captures!

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ



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  nice capture xgj  henny pa3cpm  06:15z
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Dear LF Group,

The WOLF 20 beacon is running again (from 2205utc) on 503.800kHz with 100mW
ERP. Any reports would be very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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tu joe

73
henny cpm
----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hello Henny,
> 
> It may have been Warren.  It was too strong to be me!
> 
> 73
> Joe VO1NA
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> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, henny van elst wrote:
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Hi every one.

Just seen on e-bay a 4.35Kg reel of 130 x 0.125 Litz wire e-bay number
160207115620, there are a further 4 reels available.

 

73's  Ken    M0KHW    IO91TV


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Hi John,

Nothing decoded here. The decoder locked in on a frequency about 0.9 Hz 
above the theoretic value for a couple of WOLF frames, but that's all.
The local noise (especially in that part of the band) is high -similar 
as on GM4ISM's site-, and I am not sure if the frequency stability of 
the FT-897 is sufficient for really weak signals.   It used to work with 
Jim's transmission, though.

Will keep trying with different antennas if you plan other tests.

Cheers,
   Wolf DL4YHF .

John Andrews schrieb:
> WE2XGR/3 will run in WOLF(10) mode on 508.500 kHz tonight, starting 
> around 2330 UTC. Reports are welcome.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG
>
>
>



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On 1 Feb 2008 at 12:28, Ken Wright wrote:

> I am unable to access the link below.

It got wrapped.... Try http://tinyurl.com/3xge64 (and added to my 
website http://www.davesergeant.com/mf with an update on the 
extension).

73 Dave G3YMC

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Henny,

   I don't think that its Joe VO1NA or WE2XEB - what is the time scale? How long was the carrier there?

--
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WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
WE2XEB/2   160-189kHz
WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz

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This band seems more exciting than 500. I must fire the 137 tx up soon.
73 de Mal/G3KEV

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> ..
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hartmut Wolff" <h-wolff@gmx.de>
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> Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 11:05 AM
> Subject: LF: 137 kHz activity
>
>
> > Updated my website with captures of DJ6GT, DK6NI, DK8ND, DL4EAU,
> > F6BIR, UA4WPF, WD2XES and WD2XGJ.
> >
> >
> > Captures can be seen here:
> > http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm
> >
> > 73
> > Hartmut
> > www.h-wolff.de
> > Locator: JO52hp
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>


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Well Mal my noise level was S5 and he peaked at 5/6db over, but yes very
deep QSB
almost down to noise.
73 Laurie.

On 18/02/2008, mal <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>  Laurie you must have a great S meter, I could only copy him S8/9 with
> deep qsb and that is on a 190m vert loop.
> The 1w erp will certainly help, instead of struggling most of the time,
> there should be much better copy on all signals, with a better chance of
> some dx xband qso,s
> 73 de Mal/G3KEV
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> *Sent:* Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:26 PM
> *Subject:* LF: Increased power?
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> GI4DPE running 30db over noise here tonight,
> never been so strong.
> 73 Laurie
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Well Mal my noise level was S5 and he peaked at 5/6db over, but yes very deep QSB<br>almost down to noise.<br>73 Laurie.<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 18/02/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">mal</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






<div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Laurie you must have a great S meter, I could only 
copy him S8/9 with deep qsb and that is on a 190m vert loop.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">The 1w erp will certainly help, instead of 
struggling most of the time, there should be much better copy on all signals, 
with a better chance of some dx xband qso,s</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">73 de Mal/G3KEV</font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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  <a title="laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com" href="mailto:laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">lawrence mayhead</a> </div>
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  <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:26 
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  <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> LF: Increased power?</div>

  <div><br></div>GI4DPE running 30db over noise here tonight,<br>never been so 
  strong.<br>73 Laurie<br>
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On 16/02/2008 at 00:07 mal wrote:

>Take the letter Z for instance sent badly spaced. It could be TD, MI, GE, T=
TEE. A proficient cw operator would be able to identify the context in which=
 it was being sent and read it accordingly. Presently it could not be >read=20=
by a machine.

If you were doing machine based CW recognition for serious, you would start=20=
by collecting data on how people mangle code.  This is similar, though with=20=
a much more limited language, to the data collection work that was done in o=
rder to produce Speaker-Independent recognition of spoken digits for the tel=
ephone service.=20

I expect you would find a number of common errors (equivalent to different a=
ccents in spoken language), as for example a contester who calls NST when he=
 means TEST, and of course 5NN for a signal report*.  Then there are the bug=
 key users who speed up their sending by taking the weights off to shorten t=
he dots but do not make the corresponding adjustment in the manually-produce=
d dashes.  Once you have a sufficient quantity of data, you would be in a po=
sition to analyse it and establish how many different "accent" you would hav=
e to deal with.

Do not expect to produce a system that is 100% accurate.  The ear plus brain=
 doesn't provide that.

John F5VLF

*does anyone use short numerals nowadays?




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Just been digging about ,  kevlar is not carbon fiber based and is a 
insulator .dh ..

Got the two mixed up with looking into  a carbon fiber type fishing pole 
which will conduct  !

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Hello Rik,

Good signal from you also, during your QSO with Finbar; 549 here in 
JO42FD . Any chance for crossband (80m) ?

73, Wolf DL4YHF

Rik Strobbe schrieb:
> Dear all,
>
> propagation on 500 seenms to be good tonight.
> Just worked GI4DPE (559) and G3KEV (599). In particular Mal's signal 
> was booming, when he tuned in I thought it was Gus calling ...
>
> I will listen on 501-504 until 22UTC and call CQ once in a while on 503.1
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
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Andrey, your reception is DI2AT, indeed. It is Roland Brüstle, DL3NDR, few
days ago he got the special callsign DI2AT. He is located in JN59NO, some
12kms east of Erlangen. Antenna 50m, up 10m, pwr 1W ERP. He transmits with a
software defined radio. QRG 505,145kHz.
73    Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF

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> Hello LFers,
> DI2AT - there is such station, or I have not correctly accepted?
>
> Andrey



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Dear LF (MF),

Here are a few receptions reports of stations heard at my alternative
location over last week-end. (IO80EI, Dartmouth, Devon SW England)

Sat 2 Feb 2035z G3KEV CQ 502.5 RST 569
Sat 2 Feb 2048z G3ZWH CQ 502.0 RST 529
Sat 2 Feb 2048z OR7T CQ 503.0 RST 569/QSB
Sat 2 Feb 2050z G0MRF Beacon RST 539
Sat 2 Feb 2105z G3AQC QSO with OR7T RST 589
Sat 2 Feb 2105z GI4DPE Beacon 503.1 RST 539
Sun 3 Feb 1134z GW4HXO CQ 502.0 RST 549
Sun 3 Feb 1245z G3XIZ CQ 502.4 559
Sun 3 Feb 1835z G3KEV CQ 502.5 559
Sun 3 Feb 1835z G3XIZ QSO GI4DPE
Sun 3 Feb 2230z GI4DPE beacon 502.1 539 QSB
Sun 3 Feb 2230z OR7T CQ 503.0 579

I'm also sure I copied GI3PDN in QSO with Finbar sometime over the week-end,
but I didn't write the details down.

Frequency loggings are only approximate. Antenna 2m square tuned loop at
ground level. RX is direct-conversion RX with tuned pre-amp. See G3XDVs new
book for the details of the RX (free plug for Mike!)

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor SE England

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008>Here are a few receptions reports&nbsp;of stations=20
heard at my alternative location over last week-end. (IO80EI, Dartmouth, Dev=
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SW England)</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008>Sat 2 Feb 2035z G3KEV CQ 502.5 RST=20
569</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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5216-05022008>Sat 2 Feb 2048z G3ZWH CQ 502.0 RST=20
529</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008>Sat 2 Feb 2048z OR7T CQ=20
503.0 RST 569/QSB</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008>Sat 2 Feb 2050z G0MRF=20
Beacon RST 539</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-050=
22008>Sat 2 Feb 2105z G3AQC QSO with OR7T RST=20
589</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-050=
22008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008>Sat 2 Feb 2105z GI4DPE=20
Beacon 503.1 RST 539</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-050=
22008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008>Sun 3 Feb 1134z GW4HXO=20
CQ 502.0 RST 549</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-050=
22008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><S=
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s=3D433175216-05022008>Sun 3 Feb=20
1245z&nbsp;G3XIZ CQ 502.4=20
559</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></D=
IV>
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s=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D4331=
75216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05=
022008>Sun 3 Feb=20
1835z&nbsp;G3KEV CQ 502.5=20
559</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></S=
PAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-050=
22008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><S=
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s=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D4331=
75216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05=
022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><=
SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008>Sun 3 Feb=
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1835z&nbsp;G3XIZ QSO=20
GI4DPE</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-050=
22008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><S=
PAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN clas=
s=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D4331=
75216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05=
022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><=
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lass=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D4=
33175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008>Sun 3 Feb 2230z GI4DPE=20
beacon 502.1 539=20
QSB</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></S=
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Hi Brian & LF,

My NoV renewal also arrived this morning.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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      Hi All -



      Nov renewal arrived this morning - 0dBW erp "immediate effect"



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Zitat von Andrey RN3AGC <rn3agc@mail.ru>:

> Hello Uwe,
> accepted your station till 06.50 z (09.50 local time)!
> http://www.cln.ru/~efremov/137/0802260647-dj8wx-90.jpg
>
> 73
>
>

Hello Andrey,
yes, I switched the TX off whilst the last dash of the X has been transmitted.

thanks for that vy long strip capture, Andrey

vy 73
Uwe/dj8wx




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Hi all at LF,

Testing stopped for me to have a meal, I wanted to be in the shack during 
initial testing.

I will resume shortly, again at 1 watt ERP.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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> Hello LF,
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> Initial testing on 503.600 KHz 1 watt ERP.
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I am calling on 502.250 approx, listening also 3575 KHz, anyone on?
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Henny,

  Thank you for the nice captures of XGJ!

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ

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  also nice capture xgj  same time
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Hello All LF's.

I think we should give a vote of thanks to every one who worked to achieve
the 500kHz NoV extension and power increase.

 

73   Ken   M0KHW  IO91TV


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Hey! Hey! Listen up guys!
 
When I started this string my intention was not to be disparaging  about my 
fellow amateurs.
 
My purpose was (perhaps with a little tongue in cheek) to stir up a  
discussion.
 
My basic thesis was that we should not make assumptions about where  
technology may or may not take us.
 
As some of you will know, I've been around for a few years now (born 1943)  
and since being knee-high to the lower half of a piece of coke and a bit of  
silver wire and tuning coils wound on varnished bog-roll, have watched the most  
incredible evolution of communications technology. I have been extremely  
fortunate also to have played a small part in that process - particularly in the  
regulatory aspects.
 
Not to allow our imaginings to accept that there will come a time when  
machine intelligence will far surpass today's meagre achievements is tantamount  to 
being part of the same historical (hysterical) movements which,  during the 
industrial revolution, were unable to accept the coming of the  machine age in 
manufacturing!
 
To simply deny the possibility that a very basic modulation encoding  (which 
morse technology surely is) can be enhanced by the evolution of machine  
intelligence (by whatever name you choose to call it) is also to deny that the  
various techniques that have evolved to extract extremely weak signal modes are  
invalid.
 
And, Roman, as a young kid playing with "radio" one of my first  
"transmitters" did not use valves (tubes) but consisted of a keyed "buzzer"  connected to 
a length of wire salvaged from an old transformer and received a  couple of 
fields away on a friend's father's portable 3-valve TRF portable  (45volt HT Dry 
Battery and 2Volt accumulator - "Picnic" set by either Ever ready  or Vidor 
or similar).
 
I suspect that where Mal and I have common ground is at the very basic  
level. When many of us were starting out in amateur radio, a knowledge of  "morse" 
was a requirement for a full licence. Some of us discovered subsequently  
that, rather than being a "chore" or stumbling stone, this knowledge gave us a  
most amazing tool, being both a means of intelligently modulating a carrier and  
an "esperanto-of-the-air" international language. Furthermore, we also earned 
 the respect of professional communicators who also used this technique.
 
And if you want a very basic example of how useful I believe this  skill 
might be, try this: My family have been instructed, that should I  suffer some 
incapacitating illness that appears to deprive me of  speech they should try 
using the morse code in various audible, tactile and  visual forms!
And in case anyone out there thinks I am talking through my hat, I should  
remark that I do have a very, very close relationship to someone who has  
suffered a mild stroke in recent years.
 
Anyway, that's my rant for this chilly saturday evening on the East Coast  of 
England.
 
 
Except for: In the film "2001 A Space Odyssey" why was not HAL  programmed to 
revert to morse as they disconnected his speech  circuits?
 
I guess that the answer to that one will be found when they discover which  
singularity gave rise to the "Big Bang" !!!
 
 
 
 
In the race  of life put a big bet on the nag named "Self-Interest" - He will 
always be in  there trying hard !
 
 
 
 
73 de Pat  G4GVW es gd dx
Qth near Felixstowe, UK




   

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43)=20
and since being knee-high to the lower half of a piece of coke and a bit of=20
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(45volt HT Dry Battery and 2Volt accumulator - "Picnic" set by either Ever r=
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or Vidor or similar).</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I suspect that where Mal and&nbsp;I have common ground is at the very b=
asic=20
level. When&nbsp;many of us were starting out in amateur radio, a knowledge=20=
of=20
"morse" was a requirement for a full licence. Some of us discovered subseque=
ntly=20
that, rather than being a "chore" or stumbling stone, this knowledge gave us=
 a=20
most amazing tool, being both a means of intelligently modulating a carrier=20=
and=20
an "esperanto-of-the-air" international language. Furthermore, we also earne=
d=20
the respect of professional communicators who also used this technique.</DIV=
>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>And if you want a very basic example of how useful&nbsp;I believe this=20
skill might be, try this: My family have been instructed, that should&nbsp;I=
=20
suffer some incapacitating illness that appears to deprive me of=20
speech&nbsp;they should try using the morse code in various audible, tactile=
 and=20
visual forms!</DIV>
<DIV>And in case anyone out there thinks I am talking through my hat, I shou=
ld=20
remark that&nbsp;I do have a very, very close relationship to someone who ha=
s=20
suffered a mild stroke in recent years.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Anyway, that's my rant for this chilly saturday evening on the East Coa=
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of England.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Except for: In the film "2001 A Space&nbsp;Odyssey" why was not HAL=20
programmed to revert to&nbsp;morse as they&nbsp;disconnected his speech=20
circuits?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I guess that the answer to that one will be found when they discover wh=
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singularity gave rise to the "Big Bang" !!!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" PTSIZE=3D"10"=
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there trying hard !</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Mal wrote:

>No CW since 1974. How can you live without it !!!!! you must miss it !!

Hi Mal, LFers,

Not at all.  Actually, I've done very little operating with any mode over
the years of being a ham.  I'm not one for conversation, but I do enjoy
building and experimenting with antennas very much.  As I said in my
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73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
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Dear LF Group,

Good news on the extension to 500kHz operation - Have to start on the QRO TX
now!

The M0BMU WOLF 20 beacon is now QRV again (2200utc) on 503.800kHz - still
with 100mW ERP for the time being...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Nice qso g3/vo.
Joe if you would like to try a cw qso xband before the winter runs out, let
me know , others might want to participate also.
73 de Mal/G3KEV

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> Hello LFers,
> I had a xband QSO with Joe, VO1NA at around 2230UTC this evening. My
> QRSS3 transmission was on 501.193kHz. I listened for Joe on 7000.5kHz.
> My report was M and I had to repeat his report of 569.
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John.
I am unable to access the link below.

73  Ken M0KHW

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John W Gould
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UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care to
look at Ofcom's announcement at 

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200
80201

This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week

73 John, G3WKL
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Getting  G3XIZ at the top end of the band , normal cw speed , just l/s copy 
on qsb peaks

G ..


> 




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David

Yes, I do check the Shetland grabber - don't normally see that much G activi=
ty though. An east coast US grabber would be nice - unfortunately most of th=
e east coast stations also do quite a bit of transmitting making even part t=
ime grabber operation problematic.=20

Will be keeping an eye open for T/A signals.

Jay

=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: G0MRF@aol.com=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 8:50 AM
  Subject: Re: LF: TA on 500kHz


  Hi Jay,=20

  You'll be able to watch all the European activity in near real time via th=
e grabber in the Shetland isles.  Obviously narrow bandwidths work best and=20=
although beacons are generally at the 503.5 to 504k section of the band, the=
re are still a few station who presumably using crystal control who are furt=
her down the allocation.

  Any signs of life on your screen can be quickly checked against:

  Shetland grabber=20

  Unfortunately there seems to be no equivalent on the East coast of the USA=
 or in VO1 for us to see if our signals are making it over to you. So it's a=
 little more hit and miss for us. - But with a little effort I'm sure a two=20=
way TA contact will happen fairly soon.

  73

  David



  In a message dated 29/02/2008 11:28:49 GMT Standard Time, jrusgrove@comcas=
t.net writes:
    Mal...and other T/A enthusiasts

    I'm interested in additional W / EU contacts on 500 kHz. To date the onl=
y=20
    station I've worked is Finbar ... albeit on three occassions. It would b=
e=20
    helpful if those interested would run periods in beacon mode (normal cw=20
    speed) so that I can listen for your signals. If I can hear your station=
,=20
    you should be able to hear mine...with the higher ERP from this end.=20
    Setting up a sked for a particular night at a particular time is unlikel=
y to=20
    produce a QSO - conditions vary widely from day to day, hour to hour and=
=20
    even minute to minute over this path.

    Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


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<DIV>Yes, I do&nbsp;check the Shetland grabber&nbsp;- don't normally see tha=
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Will be keeping an eye open for T/A signals.</DIV>
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  <DIV>Hi Jay, </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>You'll be able to watch all the European activity in near real time v=
ia=20
  the grabber in the Shetland isles.&nbsp; Obviously narrow bandwidths work=20=
best=20
  and although beacons are generally at the 503.5 to 504k section of the ban=
d,=20
  there are still a few station who presumably using crystal control who are=
=20
  further down the allocation.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Any signs of life on your screen can be quickly checked against:</DIV=
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</DIV>
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  <DIV>Unfortunately there seems to be no equivalent on the East coast of th=
e=20
  USA or in VO1 for us to see if our signals are making it over to you. So i=
t's=20
  a little more hit and miss for us. - But with a little effort I'm sure a t=
wo=20
  way TA contact will happen fairly soon.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>73</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>David</DIV>
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV>In a message dated 29/02/2008 11:28:49 GMT Standard Time,=20
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    / EU contacts on 500 kHz. To date the only <BR>station I've worked is Fi=
nbar=20
    ... albeit on three occassions. It would be <BR>helpful if those interes=
ted=20
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Test Email

73 de DI2AT / DL3NDR


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Henny,

    Thank you for the capture!
XGJ was only on for 40 minutes (One "XGJ" QRSS cycle)!
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  capture xgj
  henny pa3cpm
  73s

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ</FONT></DIV>
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My CW was copied in Germany the night before. Get a life.

John Andrews, W1TAG

mal wrote:
> TRY CW, even qrsd 3 would be better.


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NIL here last night except for the 505.1 beacons

On the positive side I have heard G3LDO with fairly good signals on several
occasions lately. I have no HF transmit capability at the moment to answer
X-band calls.

Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ

Quoting lawrence mayhead <laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com>:

> Has anyone heard any signals on 500kHz during the last 24 hours ?
> Here only white noise no static no signals !
> Was it the earthquake ? or did my ant. fall down.
> 73 Laurie.
>




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> Andrey, your reception is DI2AT, indeed. It is Roland Brüstle, DL3NDR, few
> days ago he got the special callsign DI2AT. He is located in JN59NO, some
> 12kms east of Erlangen. Antenna 50m, up 10m, pwr 1W ERP. He transmits with a
> software defined radio. QRG 505,145kHz.
> 73    Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF

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Congratulations Peter, another first I belive.
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Congratulations Peter, another first I belive.<br>73 Laurie<br>

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> Graham.
> With that small antenna you might be lucky if it is 0.1% efficient,
> therefore to get 1w erp you need 1Kw less 2.6db ie 555 watts to the 
> antenna
> feed point.
> If you are using a linear pa at 50% eff you would need a DC input of 1.110
> Kwatts or a class D at 70% eff 793 watts.
> This is a rough estimate, other factors need consideration as explained
> before.
> You probably know all about the subject anyway.
> To measure the far field properly an airborne platform is necessary to get 
> a
> clear run and avoid obstructions like buildings and trees etc. This is the
> procedure used professionally. If you have a friend in the RAF this might
> help
>
> mal/g3kev
>
>

____________________________________________________________



I was typing 'fields' into  google and can across this , nicely framed by 
the boys

from Liverpool



http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywg-PdeGVL0



'A friend in the RAF' ,  Guess that's a new take on 'Aerial' measurements,



http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rJX03LcmNpU



1.1 Kw dc input may  be be 'pushing' things a little too far  hihi



G ..
















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539 on 502.5 +/-x kHz,  19:17 UTC.  Nice copy Mal.

Do you lsn for xband somewhere ?
Called on 3.551 MHz because that frequency is often clear, much in 
contrast to 3.533 .

73,
  Wolf  DL4YHF .


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Take the letter Z for instance sent badly spaced. It could be TD, MI, GE, TT=
EE. A proficient cw operator would be able to identify the context in which=20=
it was being sent and read it accordingly. Presently it could not be read by=
 a machine.
A high speed computer could have a stab at the various possibilities and pro=
duce something but a miss is as good as a mile !!!!!!!!!!!! gibberish.=20
In real time decoding the complete morse code badly hand sent, Baghdad morse=
,  would be difficult for a machine to interpret=20
It would be pointless developing a machine to read this sort of morse anyway=
, there are numerous machine generated data modes better suited for moving l=
arge volumes of traffic and easily decoded by other machines. The only human=
 input is probably a keypad and that is about the only rattle they might rec=
ognise. =20
The average radio amateur today is an appliance operator and probably never=20=
heard about morse code or a soldering iron. Avoid them both!!
G3KEV

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: G4gvw@aol.com=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 11:23 PM
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  Actualy I do not agree with that statement. It is only in the present stat=
e of the art that you might say that a machine cannot read poorly sent morse=
. It is not so many years ago that the present state of the art was consider=
ed beyond the reach of machines!

  It is surely not beyond the wit of man to imagine that a future generation=
 of machines and their programmes (I hesitate to use the word software delib=
erately) might not only decode a data stream called "morse" but actually int=
erpret its "meaning" using rules based on language, useage and machine-based=
 artificial intelligence!

  In the same way that the modern radio amateur has become an operator of "b=
lack boxes" who is to say that the next generation of Black Boxes will not b=
ecome an operator of radio amateurs?

  Some would say that this is alraeady the case!


   =20

  73 de Pat G4GVW es gd dx
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<DIV>It would be pointless developing a machine to read this sort of morse=20
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>It is surely not beyond the wit of man to imagine that a future=20
  generation of machines and their programmes (I hesitate to use the word=20
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but=20
  actually interpret its "meaning" using rules based on language, useage and=
=20
  machine-based artificial intelligence!</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>In the same way that the modern radio amateur has become an operator=20=
of=20
  "black boxes" who is to say that the next generation of Black Boxes will n=
ot=20
  become an operator of radio amateurs?</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Graham.
With that small antenna you might be lucky if it is 0.1% efficient,
therefore to get 1w erp you need 1Kw less 2.6db ie 555 watts to the antenna
feed point.
If you are using a linear pa at 50% eff you would need a DC input of 1.110
Kwatts or a class D at 70% eff 793 watts.
This is a rough estimate, other factors need consideration as explained
before.
You probably know all about the subject anyway.
To measure the far field properly an airborne platform is necessary to get a
clear run and avoid obstructions like buildings and trees etc. This is the
procedure used professionally. If you have a friend in the RAF this might
help

mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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Subject: LF: Re: Re: NOV UPDATE


> James,
>
>
>
> That's a interesting, report on your 'actual' findings  , I run a inverted
> 'L' here as well, but alas not the 40 meter top , a little more like 40
feet
> ! , but the top is a two wire capacity section spaced some 4 feet apart
(no
> reason, that's how long the two conduit off cuts where) . From what I
could
> gather, I think I have managed round 75 mW with 25 watts feed to  the atu
at
> the base of the ae , this is based on comparisons with other stations,
range
> reports  and the erp calculators.
>
>
>
> In a linear situation  I doubt I could reach the power level required to
> attain 1 watt erp with such a short system, without replicating a small
> marine installation and even then it would be non-linear. A UK warship
would
> only run  200/300  watts on  MF !
>
>
>
>  Optimised  modelling of the system always dictates a much larger capacity
> section. In this situation increased wattage to the antenna looks to  be
the
> only way to  enhance the signal, but from experience I doubt it will
defeat
> the skip distance
>
>
>
> I'm quite amused  at concept of running wattage levels well in to three
> figures to what amounts to a self confessed  high gain system , 400 watts
is
> a quoted as the carrier level feeding the local MW multi channel
transmitter
> ! , perhaps half a gallon (us)  is  stretching the  plunger  a tad more
than
> really necessary ?
>
>
>
> G ..
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:06 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: NOV UPDATE
>
>
> > Dear Mal, Graham, LF Group,
> >
> > G3KEV wrote:
> >> As a rough guide to get started, assume the average amateur antenna is
1%
> >> efficient which is doubtful then you would need 100w fed to the
antenna.
> >> Since a more realistic efficiency figure might be 0.5% or less you
would
> >> need 200w.
> >
> > This is incorrect. The ERP could be calculated as:
> >
> > P(erp) = (TX power) x (Antenna efficiency) x (Antenna directivity)
> >
> > The directivity of a small vertical antenna over the dipole reference is
a
> > factor of 1.8 (2.6dB), so 100W into such an antenna with 1% efficiency
> > would
> > give 1.8W ERP.
> >
> >>The average pa efficiency is about 50% therefore you would need
> >> anything between 200 and 400watts dc input to get into the ball park
and
> >> generate 1w erp.
> >
> > For the class D or E PA stages many of us are using, 70% - 90% PA
> > efficiency
> > would be more realistic.
> >
> >> A large 1/4 wave inv L antenna might only be 5%  efficient if you are
> > lucky
> >> at this freq, because the vertical part would normally only be a few
> > metres
> >> high with a very long horizontal part.
> >> The antenna environment then needs consideration, buildings, trees,
> > hedges,
> >> other antenna wires in the vicinity.
> >
> > The field strength and impedance measurements I did on my own antenna at
> > my
> > home QTH, basically an inverted L about 10m high and 40m long, gave an
> > efficiency of about 0.6% at 500k, so I need around 90W TX to get 1W ERP.
> > Increasing the height in the centre of the span to 14m roughly doubled
the
> > efficiency, which would reduce the power requirement to 45W. The
> > environmental effects, giving rise to increased loss resistance and
> > reduced
> > radiation resistance due to screening effects on the antenna by nearby
> > objects, are quite large. The same 10m high antenna in an open field had
> > about 3.6% efficiency, due to reduced environmental losses and
screening,
> > so
> > would only need 15W TX out for 1W ERP. The much bigger antennas at G3KEV
> > should certainly have greater efficiency than my antennas, so would
> > probably
> > only need a few watts from the transmitter to achieve 1W ERP - I guess
the
> > heaters of Mal's TT22s will be drawing more power than the anodes!
> >
> >>Your 1w erp might effectively be
> >> reduced to  micro watts.
> >> Check the near and far fields.
> >
> >> I recently removed a long wire rx antenna running near my 500 khz
antenna
> >> and gained 2 db.
> >> The above info is a rough guide because every radio amateur
installation
> > is
> >> different, the antenna efficiency is hard to determine, hence the erp.
> >
> > The antenna efficiency can't realistically be determined without field
> > strength measurements - if these are not available, a better approach to
> > estimating ERP is to calculate the radiation resistance of the antenna
> > from
> > its dimensions (see formulas in RSGB handbook, LF today, ON7YD's antenna
> > web
> > pages, etc.) Then the ERP can be estimated by measuring the antenna
> > current:
> >
> > P(erp) = 1.8 x Rrad x (Iant)^2
> >
> > This method inherently includes the effect of  loss resistance due to
> > environmental effects, loading coil, etc. but does not include the
> > radiation
> > resistance reduction due to the environment - but it is still a much
> > better
> > estimate than trying to guess what the antenna efficiency will be.
> >
> > Cheers, Jim Moritz
> > 73 de M0BMU
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Hello LFers,

This is a short description of my 500kHz transmitter and antenna.
The driver comprises a DDS3 Hands direct digital synthesiser, which came 
in the form of a kit. I bought this some time ago as a driver for 73 and 
136kHz and has now been reprogrammed for the 500kHz band.
The transmitter uses a PL519 TV sweep tube (valve) with 380v on the 
plate (anode). This is driven by a metal 1632, which is a 12v  heater 
version of a 6L6. The design of the transmitter is derived from my junk 
box and provided me with some nostalgic pleasure.
The antenna comprises a HF quad. The quad and its feeder is used as a 
short vertical with a capacity hat and is resonated with a variometer 
and matched with a ferrite multi tapped transformer located in the 
garden shed at the bottom of the garden.
The antenna has a calculated gain of around -20dBi.

The DDS3 is programmed using DOS via the printer port. In the meantime 
all my computers have moved on and the only DOS computer I have left is 
an AcerNote 760iC laptop, which I still use for QRSS keying. 
Unfortunately it doesn't seem to want to talk the DDS3 via the printer 
port. Did some old laptops use different pinouts compared with standard 
printer ports?

regards

Peter G3LDO


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Dear Wolf, LF Group,

Thanks  for the reception report from last night. The beacon is now QRVagain
from about 2230utc - WOLF 20 mode, 503.800kHz, 0.1W ERP.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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On 12 Feb 2008 at 20:16, Graham wrote:

> ..... That  sounds like someones test for 'AI'  .... with a  addition
> of a 'text engine' to  sort out the questions , names and call's  ,
> you'd never know if it was real station station on the other end , may
> be there in use now ?
> 
> G ..

It would certainly have made a QSO with 'TI9DX' this morning who was 
jamming the VP6DX Dxpedition on 7002 and not complained (the chap was 
heard to accidentally send UA3... once before realising he was meant 
to be somewhere else...!). Not sure what it would have done with the 
chap who was sending 'PIRATE' or other obscenities... And it would 
have worked out that the real VP6 was listening 25kHz HF +/- pileup 
and set the transceiver spit controls correctly before choosing a 
good TX frequency...

My experience of any sort of CW reader is that they are way behind 
the human ear and it is very frustrating sometimes to watch them. But 
the one in the Elecraft K3 which Rich G4ZFE (9M2CNC) was showing me 
last week seemed to do a reasonable job. The delay between you 
copying each letter in your head and it appearing on the dispay 
(almost a second) is rather offputting though...

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com



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Hi Jay


 >
 > Glimpse of WX and YO last night early. Unfortunately, no overnight 
captures

I don' t sure.
End my transmition  ~01:10 UTC

Dmitry





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I note a Loran? line on 136.320 so have eased up to 136.320.5kHz
All reports welcome
Laurie.

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I note a Loran? line on 136.320 so have eased up to 136.320.5kHz<br>All reports welcome<br>Laurie.<br><br>&nbsp;<br>

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No CW since 1974. How can you live without it !!!!! you must miss it !!

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> Hello Pat, LFers,
>
> Well said.  As a young lad I recall making my first "rig" from a Ford
> spark coil and sending CW to my neighbour next door.  Hardly DX,
> but I felt a mile high!  On the other side of the coin, I've not made a
> CW transmission since taking my Advanced test in 1974, that is if I
> don't include my QRSS30 Lowfer beacon.  There's something for
> everyone in this great hobby of ours!
>
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
> Solar and wind powered
> Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
> EN93dr
>
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Dear Lowfers,

sooner or later I am looking for an TX for 136 kHz, giving me reasonable mor=
e output than my present one with abt. 70 W_60 Ohm.  Power supply should be=20=
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Has anyone any details for a marine tx marked only TYPE NS6MS.This is a
compact tx with XTAL OSC/BUFFER/PA pair of parallel TT22 tubes and modulated
by a pair of push pull TT22 tubes. Range 1.5 - 4 mhz. with 11 channels,
could be used as it is for those that like 160/80 m am. or modified easily
for
500 khz cw etc.
The cct is easy to  follow for mods, a cct is not really necessary.
This  would make a nice 500 khz tx,  original tube design and  robust, no
exploding fets !!
73 de Mal/G3KEV



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Hi Peter,

Nice signal from you on 501.9 kHz.
Called you on 3.575 but no reply (hr on 80m only a short attic dipole).
Will continue trying.

Peter Dodd schrieb:
> Thanks for the QSO Mark. I hope to be on 501.80 (I can QSY) tonight 
> also listening on 3575kHz
> Regards, Peter, G3LDO
>
>
>
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..... That  sounds like someones test for 'AI'  .... with a  addition of a 
'text engine' to  sort out the questions , names and call's  , you'd never 
know if it was real station station on the other end , may be there in use 
now ?

G ..


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This gives me an idea.

If you combine this program with something to choose which station you wish 
to work, then link this into your transmitter and leave the whole thing 
running overnight, you can come back in the morning and see what DX you have 
worked.  Signal reports would be no problem as everybody seems to give a 
report of 599 anyway.

I would have liked this as a final year artificial intelligence student 
project, but that was long ago.

John, F5VLF








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I will start beaconing today at 2100 UTC using DFCW on 135920.2 / 135920.4 Hz.

73, Dick, PA0SE
JO22GD 



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This gives me an idea. =20

If you combine this program with something to choose which station you wish=20=
to work, then link this into your transmitter and leave the whole thing runn=
ing overnight, you can come back in the morning and see what DX you have wor=
ked.  Signal reports would be no problem as everybody seems to give a report=
 of 599 anyway.

I would have liked this as a final year artificial intelligence student proj=
ect, but that was long ago.

John, F5VLF





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Hello LFers,

I'm having troubles posting to the Lowfer reflector and
hence I'm trying a test post here to see if this works.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle




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Hello Mike and Uwe,
capture last night 22.50-05.20z : http://www.cln.ru/~efremov/137/0802170519-dj8wx-90-g3xdv-60.jpg
My loc: KO85sv
73!


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Bet I do , there =A3150 each for a good one , a momentary loss of concentrat=
ion would bring tears to  the eyes as well as (rf) burning a hole in your ba=
ck pocket , definatly  the kind of tube a dude would use !=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:28 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: RE: Lf project


  But you do not know the whole story !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Andy Talbot=20
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    Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:08 PM
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    So does an MRF150. And that only needs 50V=20
    Andy  G4JNT
    www.scrbg.org/g4jnt


    =20
    On 01/02/2008, Ken Wright <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com> wrote:=20
      Hi Mal.
      Do you have the data for a TT22?, they have an input of 1.9W for 102W=20=
rf
      output but I don't fancy the 1250V anode voltage.

      73
      Ken  M0KHW   IO91TV

      -----Original Message-----
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      [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
      Sent: 01 February 2008 15:08
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      Subject: LF: Lf project

      Does  anyone have a spare pair of TT22 tubes. They were popular in old=
 LF/MF
      marine equip.
      73 de Mal/G3KEV






    --=20
    Andy  G4JNT
    www.scrbg.org/g4jnt=20


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bet I do , there =A3150 each for a good one=
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    <DIV>So does an MRF150. And that only needs&nbsp;50V </DIV>
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      Mal.<BR>Do you have the data for a TT22?, they have an input of 1.9W f=
or=20
      102W rf<BR>output but I don't fancy the 1250V anode=20
      voltage.<BR><BR>73<BR>Ken&nbsp;&nbsp;M0KHW&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
      IO91TV<BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A         href=3D"m=
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      On Behalf Of mal<BR>Sent: 01 February 2008 15:08<BR>To: rsgb<BR>Subjec=
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      LF: Lf project<BR><BR>Does&nbsp;&nbsp;anyone have a spare pair of TT22=
=20
      tubes. They were popular in old LF/MF<BR>marine equip.<BR>73 de=20
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After I received only some traces on the 15/16 February attached a
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73
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Tnx Reino
Report appreciated pse call me on 3533 khz if possible.
de Mal/G3KEV

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  Mal RST 569 yesterday 502 kc at Joensuu.  73/OH7OL Reino.


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John,

Thanks for the good news.

73
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UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care to
look at Ofcom's announcement at 

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200
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This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week

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..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
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> Hi Roelof, this was not addressed to me but I feel I can maybe contribute
> and opinion. I think it all depends on what you are wanting the sound card
> to do. If you are using it as the "I/Q converter" in an SDR the the best
> card produces the best results. the vital thing here is the noise level
> which affects the dynamic range available, then the sampling frequency and
> timing.
>
> Your post tends to suggest that the queries are from people using Spectran
> to process the audio from a receiver. In this case the achievable dynamic
> range can be similar but it is not necessary for detecting small signals
> which are essential buried in the noise from the reciever. I have the
> internal on-board sound and an PCI M-Audio Delta 44, and I do not think I
> could detect any difference when using Spectran. More important things are
> keeping PC noise out of the receiver and ensuring the antenna is the
> quietest are available to you but providing the highest voltage of wanted
> signals.
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roelof Bakker" <roelof@ndb.demon.nl>
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> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:09 PM
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>
>
> Hello Alberto,
>
> Your program Spectran is in wide use amongst NDB chasers.
> Someone had the following question:
>
>>>
> Does the quality of the sound card influence the decoding or displaying
> of signals received or it this all done in the Spectran software? Some
> sound cards are available for $20 and others cost over $250. Will the
> higher cost sound card produce a better quality of output signal than
> the cheaper one? If yes, which sound card do you recommend specifically
> for this application of decodind and displaying NDB signals?
> <<
>
> Your input will be much appreciated.
>
> 73,
> Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt
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Jim,

you seem to be running QRO ;-)

I downloaded and fired up DL4YHF's Wolf GUI (of which I have no previous 
experience), selected the "20" mode, tuned the RX to 503.000kHz USB and in the 
next few seconds I received this:

----
2008-02-07 23:59:49 >WOLF20  -r 8000 -f 800 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  12 f:-0.065 a: 0.1 dp: 77.7 ci:15 cj:453 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:  24 f:-0.062 a:-0.0 dp: 77.0 ci:15 cj:453 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:  48 f:-0.061 a:-0.2 dp: 77.5 ci:15 cj:453 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:  96 f:-0.059 pm:75.76 jm: 55 q:  4.7  4.6 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 144 f:-0.059 pm:132.0 jm: 55 q:  6.7  7.3 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 192 f:-0.059 pm:145.3 jm: 55 q:  7.0  7.2 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 240 f:-0.059 pm:149.4 jm: 55 q:  6.8  7.0 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 288 f:-0.059 pm:170.1 jm: 55 q:  7.9  7.7 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 336 f:-0.059 pm:239.4 jm: 55 q:  9.7  9.6 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 384 f:-0.059 pm:324.2 jm: 55 q: 10.8 10.8 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 432 f:-0.059 pm:422.3 jm: 55 q: 11.9 11.7 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 480 f:-0.059 pm:491.2 jm: 55 q: 12.4 12.2 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 528 f:-0.059 pm:563.2 jm: 55 q: 13.0 12.6 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 576 f:-0.059 pm:597.7 jm: 55 q: 13.3 12.9 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 624 f:-0.059 pm:615.5 jm: 55 q: 13.5 12.7 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 672 f:-0.059 pm:616.4 jm: 55 q: 13.2 12.7 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 720 f:-0.059 pm:642.2 jm: 55 q: 13.5 13.1 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 768 f:-0.059 pm:732.0 jm: 55 q: 13.7 13.6 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 816 f:-0.059 pm:910.5 jm: 55 q: 14.2 14.1 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 864 f:-0.059 pm: 1086 jm: 55 q: 14.5 14.3 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 912 f:-0.059 pm: 1158 jm: 55 q: 14.7 14.4 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 960 f:-0.059 pm: 1242 jm: 55 q: 14.8 14.5 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1008 f:-0.059 pm: 1370 jm: 55 q: 15.1 14.8 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1056 f:-0.059 pm: 1457 jm: 55 q: 15.2 15.0 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
----

I didn't believe my eyes!


Equipment used at this end:
   FD-4 dipole, extremely bad LF antenna (horizontal!)
   Perseus RX by IV3NWV
   VAC by Eugene Muzychenko
   Wolf GUI by DL4YHF/KK7KA

73
Johan SM6LKM

----

James Moritz wrote:
> Dear LF Group,
> 
> The WOLF 20 beacon is running again (from 2235utc) on 503.800kHz with 100mW
> ERP. Any reports would be very welcome.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU



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Zitat von Andrey RN3AGC <rn3agc@mail.ru>:

> Hello Uwe,
> capture 21.28z.
> 73!

Thanks Andrey.
do you know UA4WPF`s  e-mail adr ?
regards
Uwe/dj8wx



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Hi Mal,
Thanks for the QSO , at least I know that the Ant. did'nt
fall down, but would have expected a better report since
now running 1W.
Don't know what my intermitent problem was !
Band more lively now, some QRN.
73 Laurie

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Hi Mal,<br>Thanks for the QSO , at least I know that the Ant. did&#39;nt<br>fall down, but would have expected a better report since<br>now running 1W.<br>Don&#39;t know what my intermitent problem was !<br>Band more lively now, some QRN.<br>
73 Laurie<br>

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Thanks for the excellent news John! I plan to be back on the band in 
a month or two after this year's Top Band season has finished. But 
guess I won't be running much more than my present 5mW...

73 Dave G3YMC

On 1 Feb 2008 at 10:37, John W Gould wrote:

> UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may
> care to look at Ofcom's announcement at 
> 
> http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notic
> es/200 80201
> 
> This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week
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> 73 John, G3WKL
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Joe,

    I have been considering putting a signal on near your beacon (1-2Hz away from you  ~184.005) with about 250 watts to give potential listeners a propagation indicator and another target to look for.  Let me know if you like the idea.

--
73 Warren K2ORS
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WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
WE2XEB/2   160-189kHz
WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz

FN42hi
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 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: jcraig@mun.ca
> Hi Jean-Pierre and Wolf,
> 
> I can understand how the QRM makes it seem futile to receive the very
> weak signals, but we have made much progress despite the challenges.
> The transmitter will remain in operation if you desire and will be moved
> to a frequency of your preference if you can find one with lower noise in
> the 160-190 kHz range.  When the experiment with the Poldhu club
> is finished, we can then try QRSS120 if you are interested.
> 
> 73 and thank-you for the many reports!
> 
> Joe VO1NA
> 



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Hi Mark,


> I am calling on 502.250 approx, listening also 3575 KHz, anyone on?
Listening for you, ready to call on 80 meters. But at the moment, 
nothing but QRM on 502.25 kHz.

HPE CUL,
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Manually type-in the bit that gets carried onto the second line - in your
case the  "80201"

Andy  G4JNT
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On 01/02/2008, Ken Wright <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com> wrote:
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> John.
> I am unable to access the link below.
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> 73  Ken M0KHW
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John W Gould
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> UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care to
> look at Ofcom's announcement at
>
>
> http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200
> 80201
>
> This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week
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> 73 John, G3WKL
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<div>Manually type-in the bit that gets carried onto the second line - in your case the&nbsp; &quot;80201&quot;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Andy&nbsp; G4JNT</div>
<div><a href="http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt">www.scrbg.org/g4jnt</a><br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 01/02/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">Ken Wright</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:ken.h.wright@btinternet.com">ken.h.wright@btinternet.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">John.<br>I am unable to access the link below.<br><br>73&nbsp;&nbsp;Ken M0KHW<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>] On Behalf Of John W Gould<br>Sent: 01 February 2008 10:37<br>To: <a href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>
Subject: LF: Extension to UK 500kHz NoV<br><br>UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care to<br>look at Ofcom&#39;s announcement at<br><br><a href="http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200">http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200</a><br>
80201<br><br>This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week<br><br>73 John, G3WKL<br>RSGB HF Manager<br><br><br><br><br></blockquote></div>

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Hello Joe ,

jcraig@mun.ca a =E9crit :
> Jean-Pierre,
>
> It is good that you can see traces. Your noise problem has improved?
Oh not ! always between 10 and 30 dB of noise ! and I do not have any
way to dig ( certainly domestic CPL in the vicinity )
>
> Thank-you for monitoring.
> 73
> Joe
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:
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>> Hello  all on LF ,
>>
>> Last night i copy  :
>>
>> RA3YO on 136   ( on the Grabber )
>>
>> VO1NA on 184 ( traces )
>>
>> The captures of night are at :
>> http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/
>>
>> grabber at :
>> http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm
>>
>> 73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
>>
>> --=20
>> Website : http://jpmere.online.fr/
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Hi Dave, LF,

I think you will find that number is your main licence number.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

----- Original Message ----- 
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Yup,

Got mine today also. 0dBW. Need to finish digging the cooling pond for the 
PA this week-end.

BTW, has anyone got any idea of the number of NOVs issued? - the last 4 
digits of mine are 7930..

73,Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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Hi Brian & LF,

My NoV renewal also arrived this morning.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

----- Original Message ----- 
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      Hi All -



      Nov renewal arrived this morning - 0dBW erp "immediate effect"



      Brian (G3YKB)



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Hi all
Has anyone heard VE1ZZ/Jack lately. I would like another qso before the DX
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de Mal/g3kev



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...produced a few ripples in the old G&T old boy.......
Chin-chin
Alan G3NYK
PS you would have thought it was a mag 9 the way it was treated by the News,
we get bigger tremours from the heavy lorries.....and the occasional petrol
storage depot explosion

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> Hello LFers,
>
> I just saw on the CBC News that the UK experienced a magnitude
> 5 earthquake last evening.  Did anyone on the reflector sustain any
> damage from it?  Hoping all my UK friends are ok.
>
> Cheers & 73,
>
> J.B., VE3EAR
>
>
>



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Dear LF Group,

The WOLF 20 beacon is running again (from 2250utc) on 503.800kHz with 100mW
ERP. Any reports would be very welcome.

Thanks to SM6LKM for the reception report - the usual problem people have
receiving WOLF is getting the correct calibration of audio sample rate and
receiver frequency offset set up. But  I was interested to see Johan has
used nominal settings, and it looks like these are just right. I guess if
you are using an SDR system with a "virtual" sound card feeding data to the
WOLF decoder, the sampling clock in the SDR defines both the receive
frequency and the "audio" sample rate. So in this case there will only be
one unknown requiring calibration , which could be done using any convenient
carrier, making life much simpler.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Hi Henny,

     Thanks for the capture! =20
One more night on 184 then I switch back to 137.

73 Warren K2ORS


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: henny van elst=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:02 AM
  Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): we2xeb2002.jpg


  capture we2xeb/2
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  henny pa3cpm
  73s

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Henny,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks for the=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One more night on 184 then I switch back to=
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Hello LFers,
DI2AT - there is such station, or I have not correctly accepted?

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Joe,

   What is your power and antenna on 184?

73 Warren

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> Hello Henny and LF group,
> 
> There are indeed 3 N's in that capture and traces of several 
> more. This is very impressive.  Thank-you very much!  The TX will remain 
> on on 184.006 kHz for the next week.
> 
> 73
> Joe
> 
> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, henny van elst wrote:
> 
>> capture vo1na     n   n    n
>> 03:45z
>> henny pa3cpm
>> 73s
>


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Hi Jay, 
 
You'll be able to watch all the European activity in near real time via the  
grabber in the Shetland isles.  Obviously narrow bandwidths work best and  
although beacons are generally at the 503.5 to 504k section of the band, there  
are still a few station who presumably using crystal control who are further  
down the allocation.
 
Any signs of life on your screen can be quickly checked against:
 
_Shetland grabber_ (http://www.gm4slv.org.uk/grabber.htm)  
 
Unfortunately there seems to be no equivalent on the East coast of the USA  
or in VO1 for us to see if our signals are making it over to you. So it's a  
little more hit and miss for us. - But with a little effort I'm sure a two way  
TA contact will happen fairly soon.
 
73
 
David
 
 
 
In a message dated 29/02/2008 11:28:49 GMT Standard Time,  
jrusgrove@comcast.net writes:

Mal...and other T/A enthusiasts

I'm interested in additional W /  EU contacts on 500 kHz. To date the only 
station I've worked is Finbar ...  albeit on three occassions. It would be 
helpful if those interested would  run periods in beacon mode (normal cw 
speed) so that I can listen for your  signals. If I can hear your station, 
you should be able to hear  mine...with the higher ERP from this end. 
Setting up a sked for a  particular night at a particular time is unlikely to 
produce a QSO -  conditions vary widely from day to day, hour to hour and 
even minute to  minute over this path.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS   WE2XGR/2







   

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<DIV>Any signs of life on your screen can be quickly checked against:</DIV>
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Dear LF Group,

The M0BMU WOLF 20 beacon is running again on 503.800kHz - got started a bit
late tonight at about 2310utc. Any reports welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Grabber is on Eu window http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg until just after my=20=
dawn at 2300Z

- Its not too noisy here in Singapore at 0400 local and getting reasonable s=
igs from Eu but still fairly rapid and deep qsb.=20

Good luck

Laurence



> From: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:52:45 +0000
> Subject: LF: XDV beacon on
>
> I shal be running a beacon tonight from 1800 to 0900 using QRSS60,
> transmitting 'XDV' starting at each hour.
>
> Reports are welcome.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
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Hi Mal.
Do you have the data for a TT22?, they have an input of 1.9W for 102W rf
output but I don't fancy the 1250V anode voltage.

73
Ken  M0KHW   IO91TV 

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Does  anyone have a spare pair of TT22 tubes. They were popular in old LF/MF
marine equip.
73 de Mal/G3KEV



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Mal...and other NOV holders

Please advise when QRV at higher power...will be happy to take a listen from 
this side of the pond.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mal" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: "rsgb" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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Subject: LF: NOV UPDATE


> New updated NOV arrived this morning, no excuse for weak signals anymore 
> on
> 500 khz
> Mal/G3KEV
> 



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Hi Mal & LF!

Not sure about you are quote right for beaconing.

At moment I trying to RX a MRF station every night, when I will be free=20
for LF radio.
The G/GI stations is not real for RU with they m-m-m-W power. The QRB=20
more 2500 km!
I'm looking only for QRSS10/30/60 stations. This is real choice for us.
When the prop was good for ~1600 Km's distance I rx'd well  OK0EMW,=20
DI2AM. DI2BE, DI2BO, SM6BHZ stations.
In Moscow is not real to make an effective rx antenna systems.
The QRM situation is not so good too.
If you ready to use a 20-40 m's LW on the roof in Moscow- you are lucky!
Because I'm oriented to the simple working conditions for SWLing 500 kHz=20
band.

Of course, in my opinion outlook.
G is need beaconing station in QRSS10/30 with a 5 W EPR minimum  and=20
effective  antenna.

* mal <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> [Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:18:36 -0000]:
> Does anyone really listen to these beacons at present. In the early=20
days
> they were useful but now there is very little reporting. The majority=20
of
> operators that I speak to do not look for beacons, only real time=20
QSO'S
> .
> If one looks at the odd beacon report it is the same person reporting
> over
> and over and is meaningless. I have not seen a report from any new
> countries
> for a long time, no one listening. even heard a BEACON CQ today from a
> GW
> station that went on for hours!!!!!!!!!!!!
> The preferred mode on this band is normal CW and a real QSO.
> Grabbers are useful for propagation testing when the band is quiet but=20
a
> real qso and report is more authentic and do not forget xband working
> for a
> report from around EU.
> The experienced operator knows when their system is working.
>
> De G3KEV
>

73!
--
RW3ADB, Roman


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Been using Dimension4 for several years now on a number of different 
computers. You can pick any time server and choose the synchronization down 
to seconds - if necessary. Not sure if this is accurate enough for your work 
but it might be worth a look.

http://www.thinkman.com/dimension4/index.htm

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


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From: Andy Talbot
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Windows Beacon TX/RX Software .. can anyone code such a 
thing ?


A problem with the scheme you suggest, Graham, is that PC clocks maintain 
time badly, and will drift by several seconds overnight which makes a 
mockery of the idea of precisely timed sequential listening.  They may be 
able to acheive Internet synchronisation, but can this be set up to 
automatically update at the rate you will need, ie. every hour or two based 
on some of the clock drifts I have seen.

That is why the existing beacon chains, both 5MHz and the IBP set, use GPS 
timing.  Passive receiving stations have their timekeeping reset by the 
actual 5MHz transmissions themselves.  On your website, you do mention MSF 
timing, but to do that in real time would consume another receiver / 
soundcard channel.    GPS is the only obvious way to go for transmitting 
stations.   PCs are not reknowned for their timekeeping abilities!

Otherwise, the software is straightforward, although rather a waste of a PC. 
If the GPS is available, then a £1 PIC is all you need to control and key a 
standalone transmitter that doesn't need soundcard drive.

Andy  G4JNT
www.scrbg.org/g4jnt


On 10/02/2008, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
Hi all,



This is something that may be of interest  .. To a programmer or two or
three ? There exists collectively the expertise, but can anyone see a way of
producing the system?


The idea  came initially from the 'Beacon Bedlam' , that existed south of
Watford gap .. about the only time the skip distance on 500 was 'useful' in
that band conditions in the north west where quite quiet, later to  prove a
hindrance,



There already exists a similar system on 5 Mhz , however the transmission
sites are defined and  participation is only possible by 'passive reception'
not too appealing for 'experimentation' This is a 'proposal' the concept is
proven , but 'we' need the
services of a programmer or two !! Similar thing's exist but are coded to
use 'pics' ,



One of the main criteria is , that 'anyone' with a windows based pc should
be able to download and install the tx/rx  software and join in, be it as a
TX station, simply claim a 'time slot' ,  or a passive observer being
presented with all 5 slots as a amplitude/time plot.



One of the  main attractions would be : TX stations will be able to  observe
the other beacons in the chain , eliminating the lonely vigil of being in
perm ante

transmit mode, while providing , at a glance, band conditions  for all
involved as well as reducing tx duty cycle time !



The number of TX stations is proposed as 5 in the chain , more may be
possible , but the time control factor may prove too difficult to achieve
within windows , but cw type software in beacon mode would appear top  make
a reasonable job of time control ?

Click on http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project
- or copy & paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't
work.









--  




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WD2XES will be running in WOLF(10) mode on 137.577 kHz tonight starting 
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Tnx Michael for the info. I now have the full story.
73 Mal/G3KEV

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> Hi Mal,
>
>
> > Hi all
> > I cannot get the ofcom page to which John refers for a 500 khz update.
Has
> > anyone got the info.
>
> I've compacted the URL for you: http://tinyurl.com/3xge64
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> --
> vy 73 + gd DX,
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That systems are working with 'ideal' quality CW signal only.
The other famous shareware program CW skimmer in russia is UA9OSV CwGet:
http://www.dxsoft.com/ru/products/cwget/



* John W Gould <jwgould@iee.org> [Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:54:10 -0000]:
> Not sure if this has been mentioned on this group but an interesting
> piece
> of software by Alex, VE3NEA, called CW Skimmer has recently been made
> available, see
> http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/
>
> Although the software costs $75 one can download a trial version (30
> days).
> It's interesting to see that whilst away from the shack this evening=20
the
> program correctly identified G3KEV (501.9 at 19:35) and also G0MRF
> (503.0 at
> 19:37).   The callsign picking routine must have been designed for the
> HF
> bands, where the protocol is very mature, so got a bit confused with=20
the
> protocol used on 500kHz and eventually decided that David callsign was
> IO91TK!
>
> It seems to need a reasonable S/N, but could be quite useful if one is
> not
> able to personally monitor the band all of the time.  Have others=20
tried
> it?
>
> 73 John, G3WKL
>
>
>
>

--
Roman ..

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VO1NA was off last night and today, but will be on 184.006 kHz tonight.

74
Joe

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, k2ors@comcast.net wrote:

> Henny,
>
>   I don't think that its Joe VO1NA or WE2XEB - what is the time scale? How=
 long was the carrier there?
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
> WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
> WE2XEB/2   160-189kHz
> WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz
>
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Hi Gary and Rik,
Many thanks for the replies. I tried it again and found that
the voltage on pin 7 goes from -12 to +12 when "Key" pressed !
I simply had'nt noticed the polarity change on my voltmeter, Silly
mistake, but I guess all will now be OK.
73 Laurie

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Hi Gary and Rik,<br>Many thanks for the replies. I tried it again and found that<br>the voltage on pin 7 goes from -12 to +12 when &quot;Key&quot; pressed !<br>I simply had&#39;nt noticed the polarity change on my voltmeter, Silly<br>
mistake, but I guess all will now be OK.<br>73 Laurie<br>

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Dear LF Group,

The WOLF 20 beacon is running again (from 2230utc) on 503.800kHz with 100mW
ERP. Any reports would be welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Really fascinating!   Tried it at daytime on 30m.

73, Dick, PA0SE

At 20:54 11-2-2008, you wrote:
>Not sure if this has been mentioned on this group but an interesting piece
>of software by Alex, VE3NEA, called CW Skimmer has recently been made
>available, see
>http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/
>
>Although the software costs $75 one can download a trial version (30 days).
>It's interesting to see that whilst away from the shack this evening the
>program correctly identified G3KEV (501.9 at 19:35) and also G0MRF (503.0 at
>19:37).   The callsign picking routine must have been designed for the HF
>bands, where the protocol is very mature, so got a bit confused with the
>protocol used on 500kHz and eventually decided that David callsign was
>IO91TK!
>
>It seems to need a reasonable S/N, but could be quite useful if one is not
>able to personally monitor the band all of the time.  Have others tried it?
>
>73 John, G3WKL



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.. with RST 429 ... 539 (heavy QSB) in JO42FD .

Calling CQ on 502.4 kHz on 21:30 UTC.

73,
  Wolf DL4YHF .


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Wolf,

Thanks for trying! You could probably narrow WOLF's detection BW down by 
quite a bit, as XGR/3 should be within 10 mHz of the announced 
frequency. That may not work miracles, however.

I have a schedule in another mode at 0200 tonight, but I may be able to 
spend some time in WOLF before and after that. Will post here if I do 
run WOLF.

John Andrews, W1TAG



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Hi Mal,


> Hi all
> I cannot get the ofcom page to which John refers for a 500 khz update. Has
> anyone got the info.

I've compacted the URL for you: http://tinyurl.com/3xge64


-- 
vy 73 + gd DX,

Michael




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J. B. Weazle McCreath wrote:
> Mal wrote:
>
>   
>> No CW since 1974. How can you live without it !!!!! you must miss it !!
>>     
>
> Hi Mal, LFers,
>
> Not at all.  Actually, I've done very little operating with any mode over
> the years of being a ham.  I'm not one for conversation, but I do enjoy
> building and experimenting with antennas very much.  As I said in my
> post, that's the great thing about ham radio, there's something for all
> of us, no matter what our specific interests may be.
>   
Someone once remarked that ham radio was great - just that the QSOs were 
such a drag  ;-).

Peter, G3LDO


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Mal RST 569 yesterday 502 kc at Joensuu.  73/OH7OL Reino.

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Hi, Mark.

I haven't been listening this evening, but I heard you on Sunday at around
20:50 utc calling GW4HXO. You were peaking RST 559 with the usual QSB.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor SE England
  -----Original Message-----
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  I am calling on 502.250 approx, listening also 3575 KHz, anyone on?
  MRF beacon is strong tonight on main antenna, visible on ferrite rod
occasionall, as is di2ag
  rgds
  Mark GM4ISM IO85AR

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Mark.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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haven't been listening this evening, but I heard you on Sunday at around 20:=
50=20
utc calling GW4HXO. You were peaking RST 559 with the usual=20
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Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor SE England</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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ma     size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
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  </B>Mark<BR><B>Sent:</B> 18 February 2008 23:14<BR><B>To:</B>=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am calling on 502.250 approx, listening=
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  3575 KHz, anyone on?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MRF beacon is strong tonight on main ante=
nna,=20
  visible on ferrite rod occasionall, as is di2ag</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>rgds </FONT></DIV>
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Mike

Several fragments like this visible throughout the night - not enough to 
identify but frequency is correct. Time is EST. Nothing from WX.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2

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Hi Laurie - yes Im pretty sure its a Loran line - our nearest transmitter is=
 a long way from here up in China I believe.
=20
Conditons about the same to Eu last night - not as good as two nights ago bu=
t great to see anything here!
=20
All sorts of weak sigs seen this morning (Eu evening) - but most are too wea=
k to read.
=20
Repeating RA3YO's "Y" on 136.31748 (or so) Dah high, dot 0.2Hz  low a, weak=20=
qrss 136.3185, 136.3194 ish qrss, and a very slowly going LF qrss sig up (do=
wn) at 136.3205 - :-))
=20
My dawn is around 2320z and things fall off very rapidly as you can imagine,=
ie its now 2348z and I can only just hear DCF39/Budapest audibly.=20
=20
I have an interesting signal Ive not heard before on around 135.70 with a ca=
rrier on for 2 secs off for for 15 or so, variable off lengths - its DX'y an=
d out to my NW as well towards W Asia and Eu.Cranes apart from the Equatoria=
l QRN continue to be my biggest QRM maker - we are surrounded by continuous=20=
+24 hour activity here just a mile from the centre of  Singapore city and th=
eir variable freq drives make musical racket from 30Khz up to 14MHz - awful=20=
noise. On 500Khz its noiser than 137 KHz - and nothing seen save traces of s=
omething that could have been /6 and /20
a few months back. But I keep an eye on 505.180 most nights=20
=20
Noise sources on 500 KHz  are "timer" related to local swimming pool pumps t=
hat start 1 to 1.5 hours pre dawn - and stay on till way after dark spoiling=
 USA openings somewhat.
=20
Thanks for the signals chaps. Hi ho off to work. And apologies for swapping=20=
grabbers each night but it depends on which receiver I  task/assign and keep=
s you on your toes.
=20
Laurence 9 V1 LF Singapore
http://kl1x.com


Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:09:32 +0000From: laurie.mayhead@googlemail.comTo:=20=
rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgSubject: LF: TransmissionI note a Loran? line on=
 136.320 so have eased up to 136.320.5kHzAll reports welcomeLaurie.=20
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Hi Laurie - yes Im pretty sure its a Loran line - our nearest transmitter is=
 a long way from here up in China I believe.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Conditons about the same to Eu last night - not as good as two nights ago bu=
t great to see anything here!<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
All sorts of weak sigs seen this morning (Eu evening) - but most are too wea=
k to read.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Repeating RA3YO's "Y" on 136.31748 (or so) Dah high, dot 0.2Hz &nbsp;low a,=20=
weak qrss 136.3185, 136.3194 ish qrss, and a very slowly going LF qrss sig u=
p (down) at 136.3205 - :-))<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
My dawn is around 2320z and things fall off very rapidly as you can imagine,=
ie its now 2348z and I can only just hear DCF39/Budapest audibly. <BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
I have an interesting signal Ive not heard before on around 135.70 with a ca=
rrier on for 2 secs off for for 15 or so, variable off lengths&nbsp;- its DX=
'y and out to my NW as well towards W Asia and Eu.<BR><BR>Cranes apart from=20=
the Equatorial QRN continue to be my biggest QRM maker - we are surrounded b=
y continuous +24 hour activity here just a mile from the centre of&nbsp; Sin=
gapore city&nbsp;and their variable freq drives make musical racket from 30K=
hz up to 14MHz - awful noise. On 500Khz its noiser than 137 KHz - and nothin=
g seen save traces of something&nbsp;that could have been&nbsp;/6 and /20<BR=
>
a few months back. But I keep an eye on 505.180 most nights <BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Noise sources on 500 KHz &nbsp;are "timer" related to local swimming pool pu=
mps that start 1 to 1.5 hours pre dawn - and stay on till way after dark spo=
iling USA openings somewhat.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Thanks for the signals chaps. Hi ho off to work. And apologies for swapping=20=
grabbers each night but it depends on which receiver I&nbsp; task/assign and=
 keeps you on your toes.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence 9 V1 LF Singapore<BR>
<A href=3D"http://kl1x.com">http://kl1x.com</A><BR>
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ote a Loran? line on 136.320 so have eased up to 136.320.5kHz<BR>All reports=
 welcome<BR>Laurie.<BR><BR>&nbsp;<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><br /><hr />Shed those ext=
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Hi Rik
Pse try tomorrow morning for a qso during daylight. I will listen for you on
your freq 503 khz
73 Mal/G3KEV

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> Dear all,
>
> propagation on 500 seenms to be good tonight.
> Just worked GI4DPE (559) and G3KEV (599). In particular Mal's signal
> was booming, when he tuned in I thought it was Gus calling ...
>
> I will listen on 501-504 until 22UTC and call CQ once in a while on 503.1
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
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                WE2XEB/2



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As a rough guide to get started, assume the average amateur antenna is 1%
efficient which is doubtful then you would need 100w fed to the antenna.
Since a more realistic efficiency figure might be 0.5% or less you would
need 200w. The average pa efficiency is about 50% therefore you would need
anything between 200 and 400watts dc input to get into the ball park and
generate 1w erp.
A large 1/4 wave inv L antenna might only be 5%  efficient if you are lucky
at this freq, because the vertical part would normally only be a few metres
high with a very long horizontal part.
The antenna environment then needs consideration, buildings, trees, hedges,
other antenna wires in the vicinity. Your 1w erp might effectively be
reduced to  micro watts.
Check the near and far fields.
I recently removed a long wire rx antenna running near my 500 khz antenna
and gained 2 db.
The above info is a rough guide because every radio amateur installation is
different, the antenna efficiency is hard to determine, hence the erp.
73 de Mal/G3KEV


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> That's true , be interesting to  see what kind of power level you need to
> get 1 watt erp
> from such a large antenna array ,  looking at the  calculators carnt be
more
> than   50  watt's
> tops , suppose a lift from 5watts  to  50watts  might help  ?
>
> G ..
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <k2ors@comcast.net>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:54 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: NOV UPDATE
>
>
> > Graham,
> >
> >   UK to W has only been done a couple of times under the best of
> > conditions, the new power levels might facilitate more contacts,
> > particularly with U.K. stations who don't live near the coast.
> >
> >
> > --
> > 73 Warren K2ORS
> > WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
> > WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
> > WE2XEB/2   160-189kHz
> > WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz
> >
> > FN42hi
> > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> >> Must of missed something here !
> >>
> >> UK to  W  has been done on 100 mW , just takes skill not power !
> >>
> >> G ..
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "mal" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
> >> To: "rsgb" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> >> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:22 PM
> >> Subject: LF: NOV UPDATE
> >>
> >>
> >> > New updated NOV arrived this morning, no excuse for weak signals
> >> > anymore
> >> > on
> >> > 500 khz
> >> > Mal/G3KEV
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From: "Scholz, Marco " <marco.scholz@citi.com>
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Subject: LF: RE: Re: M0BMU WOLF Beacon
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Hello Jim,
I had a very good and quick copy of your signal last night. I can use
now my new EKD-300 and it looks like it works really good (thanks again
Peter, sq7mpj for the tip to use IF output which avoid the variable cw
pitch issue on the EKD).

vy73
Marco
DD7PC, JN49ax
RX: EKD-300 & PA0DRT MiniWhip, all Wolf settings are standard except
center freq and speed

2008-02-08 22:53:39 >WOLF20  -r 8000.000 -f 700 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  12 f:-0.576 a:-1.1 dp: 69.5 ci:12 cj:273 S6M5XBWEM /DER  ?
t:  24 f:-0.042 a:-0.7 dp: 67.8 ci:12 cj: 91 RVNW.KCU.3T9CSB ?
t:  48 f:-0.129 a:-1.0 dp: 62.2 ci:12 cj:449 D21D6U767LFDQH/ ?
t:  96 f: 0.273 pm:2.489 jm:820 q:-13.7 -8.5 Y1NMSVG*HV*V6I0 ?
t: 144 f:-0.840 pm:5.451 jm:695 q:-10.0 -6.4 I7AM3TN/VR0OIXY ?
t: 192 f:-0.918 pm:7.879 jm:695 q: -2.5 -3.6 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 240 f:-0.918 pm:22.37 jm:695 q:  1.1 -0.5 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 288 f:-0.918 pm:26.75 jm:695 q:  2.1  0.4 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 336 f:-0.918 pm:27.00 jm:695 q:  1.7  0.6 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 384 f:-0.918 pm:27.24 jm:695 q:  1.4  0.4 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 432 f:-0.918 pm:28.68 jm:695 q:  1.6  0.7 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 480 f:-0.918 pm:28.95 jm:695 q:  1.5  0.2 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 528 f:-0.918 pm:29.13 jm:695 q:  1.9  0.2 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 576 f:-0.918 pm:29.52 jm:695 q:  2.1  0.5 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 624 f:-0.918 pm:29.79 jm:695 q:  2.5  1.0 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 672 f:-0.918 pm:29.81 jm:695 q:  2.8  1.4 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 720 f:-0.918 pm:29.94 jm:695 q:  3.1  1.9 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 768 f:-0.918 pm:30.07 jm:695 q:  3.3  2.4 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 816 f:-0.918 pm:30.11 jm:695 q:  3.6  2.9 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 864 f:-0.918 pm:30.57 jm:695 q:  3.7  3.1 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 912 f:-0.918 pm:31.14 jm:695 q:  3.9  3.2 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 960 f:-0.918 pm:31.30 jm:695 q:  4.0  3.3 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1008 f:-0.898 pm:32.25 jm:696 q:  4.5  3.3 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1056 f:-0.898 pm:35.27 jm:696 q:  4.9  3.7 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1104 f:-0.898 pm:38.49 jm:696 q:  5.4  4.3 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1152 f:-0.898 pm:44.85 jm:696 q:  6.1  5.2 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1200 f:-0.879 pm:86.03 jm:696 q:  5.5  4.5 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1248 f:-0.879 pm:130.8 jm:697 q:  6.0  5.0 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1296 f:-0.879 pm:134.5 jm:697 q:  6.1  5.1 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1344 f:-0.879 pm:159.0 jm:697 q:  6.7  5.7 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1392 f:-0.879 pm:218.2 jm:697 q:  7.5  6.4 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1440 f:-0.879 pm:249.9 jm:697 q:  8.1  7.0 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1488 f:-0.879 pm:281.7 jm:697 q:  8.6  7.6 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1536 f:-0.879 pm:282.2 jm:697 q:  8.6  7.5 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1584 f:-0.879 pm:294.8 jm:697 q:  8.6  7.6 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
2008-02-08 23:20:18 >WOLF20  -r 8000.000 -f 700 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  12 f:-0.084 a: 0.5 dp: 68.3 ci: 1 cj:  0 NV.OURKF8JJP1CC ?
t:  24 f:-0.874 a:-1.4 dp: 65.5 ci: 4 cj:288 FAHIP/JOG78QSMX ?
t:  48 f:-0.382 a: 0.0 dp: 63.6 ci: 3 cj:393 D025RLKC8UAZVJE -
t:  96 f:-0.859 pm:5.491 jm:384 q: -7.3 -7.6 2AV*GIR84M06 W7 ?
t: 144 f:-0.859 pm:17.54 jm:384 q: -0.5 -0.6 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 192 f:-0.879 pm:46.45 jm:384 q:  3.0  2.8 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 240 f:-0.879 pm:48.20 jm:384 q:  3.6  3.4 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 288 f:-0.859 pm:80.25 jm:384 q:  6.0  6.0 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 336 f:-0.859 pm:134.9 jm:384 q:  7.5  7.5 WOLF DE M0BMU   -=20

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz
Sent: 09 February 2008 00:16
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: M0BMU WOLF Beacon

Dear LF Group,

The WOLF 20 beacon is running again (from 2250utc) on 503.800kHz with
100mW ERP. Any reports would be very welcome.

Thanks to SM6LKM for the reception report - the usual problem people
have receiving WOLF is getting the correct calibration of audio sample
rate and receiver frequency offset set up. But  I was interested to see
Johan has used nominal settings, and it looks like these are just right.
I guess if you are using an SDR system with a "virtual" sound card
feeding data to the WOLF decoder, the sampling clock in the SDR defines
both the receive frequency and the "audio" sample rate. So in this case
there will only be one unknown requiring calibration , which could be
done using any convenient carrier, making life much simpler.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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on 502 kHz, 569 "armchair copy" in NW-DL now.

If possible, xband 80m ?

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Hello Uwe,
capture 21.28z.
73!

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Dear all, 

heard GI4DPE beaconing with good signal on 501,3 kHz around 22.45 UTC in
JN68GN. Signal about 6 dB above noise, S-meter moving when keying. Some
QSB observed. Not found any more at about 23.45 UTC.

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Congrats Henny on another copy of the weak signals!
Your RX station is working well.
73 Joe VO1NA

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> capture vo1na
> 184006khz


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I dunno, but a dB can make a lot of difference here -every dB is in my mind=20=
is valuable as it gains that little s over n even at LF. As I have a BIG n =20=
(sic) ill take that dB please.
=20
Long haul to Eu is still rather odd with deep QSB but peaks are good - congr=
ats on getting the 184 across the pond.
=20
Looking forward to seeing and hearing some signals in a few weeks and gettin=
g away from the heat - Ill be mobile /5 Texas and Oklahoma and /KL7 for a co=
uple of weeks in March.
=20
9M/G4DMA mobile avoiding the water cannons, enroute 9V1
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<BR>I dunno, but&nbsp;a dB can make a lot of difference here -every dB is in=
 my mind is valuable as it gains that little s over n even at LF. As I have=20=
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Long haul to Eu is still rather odd with deep QSB but peaks are good - congr=
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Hello OM F4DTL
thank you for the nice picture. Your antenna must be very good. The 
noise level seams to be very low.
I am transmitting several modulation modes. The sequence is repeated 
every hour.
All modes (not FSK) can be decoded with Sectrum Lab.
Chirped Hell can directly seen on the srceen. The frequency range for 
Chirped Hell1 is about 20Hz
and for Chirped Hell3 8Hz.
Goo luck
Perhaps I get an another rapport from you?

Modulations art

    

Bezeichnung

    

Geschwindigkeit

    

Sendebeginn je Stunde

    

Erstellt mit

    

Empfang

mit

    

Text

CW

    

CW10WpM

    

10  W/Min

    

0 Min

    

SpecLab

    

Diverse

    

DI2AT JN59NO +++

CW

    

CRSS1

    

1   Sek/Pkt

    

5 Min

    

SpecLab

    

Diverse

    

DI2AT JN59NO

CW

    

CRSS3

    

3   Sek/Pkt

    

10 Min

    

SpecLab

    

Diverse

    

DI2AT JN59NO

CW

    

DFCW3

    

3   Sek/Pkt

    

20 Min

    

SpecLab

    

SpecLab

    

DI2AT JN59NO

PSK

    

PSK31

    

40 W/Min

    

25 Min

    

SpecLab

    

SpecLab

    

DI2AT JN59NO +++

PSK

    

PSK08

    

10 W/Min

    

30 Min

    

SpecLab

    

SpecLab

    

DI2AT JN59NO +++

MSK

    

MSK31

    

200 W/Min

    

35 Min

    

SpecLab

    

SpecLab

    

DI2AT JN59NO.+++

MSK

    

MSK08

    

50 W/Min

    

40 Min

    

SpecLab

    

SpecLab

    

DI2AT JN59NO +++

PSK

    

QPSK08

    

10 W/Min

    

45 Min

    

SpecLab

    

SpecLab

    

DI2AT JN59NO +++

FSK

    

FSK31

    

40 W/Min

    

50 Min

    

MixW

    

MixW

    

DI2AT JN59NO +++

HELL

    

Chirped Hell

    

2.7 Z/S

    

55 Min

    

SpecLab

    

SpecLab

    

DI2AT JN59NO


74 de
Roland DI3AT / DL3NDR

F4DTL@aol.com schrieb:
> Hello Roland, good copy again tonight,thanx for this new MF beacon.
>  
>  
> *F4DTL in JN18FP
>
> RX : IC 7400
> Ant: active loop LFL 1010*
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>



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Zitat von John Andrews <w1tag@w1tag.com>:

> Mike,
>
> Nothing seen of you or Uwe overnight.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG
>
Hi John,
nevertheless, thanks for monitoring.

regards
Uwe/dj8wx





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Hello Joe ,

On 184,006 kHz :
Last night , nil for VO1NA
Today the noise returned almost normal ! I hope for a good propagation the next night .

The captures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/VO1NA/

73 J-P f1afj




















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TRY CW, even qrsd 3 would be better.

----- Original Message -----
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> Hi John,
>
> Nothing decoded here. The decoder locked in on a frequency about 0.9 Hz
> above the theoretic value for a couple of WOLF frames, but that's all.
> The local noise (especially in that part of the band) is high -similar
> as on GM4ISM's site-, and I am not sure if the frequency stability of
> the FT-897 is sufficient for really weak signals.   It used to work with
> Jim's transmission, though.
>
> Will keep trying with different antennas if you plan other tests.
>
> Cheers,
>    Wolf DL4YHF .
>
> John Andrews schrieb:
> > WE2XGR/3 will run in WOLF(10) mode on 508.500 kHz tonight, starting
> > around 2330 UTC. Reports are welcome.
> >
> > John Andrews, W1TAG
> >
> >
> >
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SM6BHZ cq on 503 khz nw calling u Gus but you are not hearing me so far. Pse
tune across the band lower down. I am on 502.7 khz
de Mal/G3KEV


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Zitat von Andrey RN3AGC <rn3agc@mail.ru>:

> Hello Mike and Uwe,
> capture last night 22.50-05.20z : 
> http://www.cln.ru/~efremov/137/0802170519-dj8wx-90-g3xdv-60.jpg
> My loc: KO85sv
> 73!
>
>

Hello Andrey,
thanks agn
73
Uwe/dj8wx



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ok,
mvgr.henny..........
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  capture yo?
  18:30z henny pa3cpm
  73s

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>I note a Loran? line on 136.320 so have eased up to 136.320.5kHz
> All reports welcome
> Laurie.
>

Hello Laurie,
capture last night 23.30z
73!

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On 16/02/2008 at 19:21 G4gvw@aol.com wrote:

[ ... ]

>silver wire and tuning coils wound on varnished bog-roll
You mean you _varnished_ your bog-rolls?

>My family have been instructed, that should I suffer some incapacitating il=
lness that appears to deprive me of  speech they should try using the morse=20=
code in various audible, tactile and  visual forms!=20

A couple of examples of using Morse in similar circumstances:=20

1) About 20 years ago the son of a Belgian amateur was in hospital after a r=
oad traffic accident.  The lad was unable to speak, but had been learning Mo=
rse, so was provided with a key and buzzer and could then communicate.  His=20=
first request was for a drink of grape juice.

2) About 1969, a team at Standard Telecommunications Laboratories produced a=
 voice writer for an amateur who had considerable difficulty speaking.  I do=
n't think he used it on air but he made Morse sounds into the microphone and=
 the results were printed out.

John F5VLF
PS I am copying Pat's suggestion to my XYL in case... In the meantime, I agr=
ee with Pat that we should not disparage technology.  I have had a wrist pro=
blem for a long time and have not used a straight key for years.  This e-mai=
l is being dictated using voice recognition software and I hope later this y=
ear to be back on the air using an iambic keyer or something similar




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Mike,

Nothing seen of you or Uwe overnight.

John Andrews, W1TAG

Mike Dennison wrote:
> I have moved my beacon 0.25Hz lower to 136.3185kHz as DJ8WX is on 
> 136.3190 instead of his usual frequency.
>From 1900 it will start on each hour.


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New updated NOV arrived this morning, no excuse for weak signals anymore on
500 khz
Mal/G3KEV


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Hi LF
   
  Here Here.
   
  What good news!!
   
  73 to all concerned.
   
   Petefmt

Ken Wright <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com> wrote:
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  I think we should give a vote of thanks to every one who worked to achieve the 500kHz NoV extension and power increase.
   
  73   Ken   M0KHW  IO91TV



       
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<DIV>Hi LF</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>Here Here.</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>What good news!!</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>73 to all concerned.</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;Petefmt<BR><BR><B><I>Ken Wright &lt;ken.h.wright@btinternet.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">  <META content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)" name=Generator>  <STYLE>  <!--   /* Style Definitions */   p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal   {margin:0cm;   margin-bottom:.0001pt;   font-size:12.0pt;   font-family:"Times New Roman";}  a:link, span.MsoHyperlink   {color:blue;   text-decoration:underline;}  a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed   {color:purple;   text-decoration:underline;}  span.EmailStyle17   {mso-style-type:personal-compose;   font-family:Arial;   color:windowtext;}  @page Section1   {size:612.0pt 792.0pt;   margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;}  div.Section1  
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Mal

We're on the same page. Unattended beaconing has it's place, though,  for 
propagation studies.

All three QSOs with Finbar started with one or the other station hearing the 
other's beacon. None of the beacon periods were pre-arranged. When one end 
heard the other end well enough for an attempted QSO an e mail was sent 
alerting the other operator. In at least one case there was a delay (on my 
end) of at least a half hour in retreiving e mail while busy working on the 
bench. We completed the QSO nonetheless.

I don't see much difference between using e mail or an HF link, other than 
the HF link is real time. Once a QSO attempt begins all communication via 
these means must cease...unless you're attempting an X band QSO.

I'm home and available most evenings and will be happy to look for any T/A 
signals on cw, QRSS1, QRSS3...or any other mode for that matter.

Jay





----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hi Jay
> I have heard your signal on 500 khz and a qso would have been possible
> provided you could hear me. The Ohio grabber would be useful as an 
> indicator
> when u are active.
> Because of my 1W limit condx would need to be good and there has been
> suitable openings in the past. If normal speed cw does not work probably 
> the
> next best thing would be QRS 1 sec dot and not more than 3 sec dot max, at
> slower QRS speed qsb would be the problem leading to gaps and guesswork.
> I managed a QSO perfectly well with VE1ZZ at normal speed cw because I was
> able to exchange rst and other info on the peaks of my signal, whereas QRS
> would not have worked. It is really being in the right place at the right
> time.
> Beacon acty would be an indicator for you if propagation was optimum but
> unattended beacons would be pointless, if one was not in a position to go
> into QSO mode immediately given the right conditions.
> To respond immediately a link on 3.5/7 mhz would be useful to indicate 
> copy
> at either end and the link needs to be monitored in real time for a quick
> response.
> As far as I can see this is the only approach that will work.
> 73 de Mal/G3KEV
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jrusgrove@comcast.net>
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> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:27 AM
> Subject: LF: TA on 500kHz
>
>
>> Mal...and other T/A enthusiasts
>>
>> I'm interested in additional W / EU contacts on 500 kHz. To date the only
>> station I've worked is Finbar ... albeit on three occassions. It would be
>> helpful if those interested would run periods in beacon mode (normal cw
>> speed) so that I can listen for your signals. If I can hear your station,
>> you should be able to hear mine...with the higher ERP from this end.
>> Setting up a sked for a particular night at a particular time is unlikely
> to
>> produce a QSO - conditions vary widely from day to day, hour to hour and
>> even minute to minute over this path.
>>
>> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "mal" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:11 AM
>> Subject: LF: Re: TA on 500kHz
>>
>>
>> > Nice qso g3/vo.
>> > Joe if you would like to try a cw qso xband before the winter runs out,
>> > let
>> > me know , others might want to participate also.
>> > 73 de Mal/G3KEV
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Peter Dodd" <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
>> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:37 AM
>> > Subject: LF: TA on 500kHz
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hello LFers,
>> >> I had a xband QSO with Joe, VO1NA at around 2230UTC this evening. My
>> >> QRSS3 transmission was on 501.193kHz. I listened for Joe on 7000.5kHz.
>> >> My report was M and I had to repeat his report of 569.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Peter, G3LDO
>> >>
>> >>
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> 



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Jim,
It depends what date you got your current NOV. Renewal for some could be
June/July etc, the DX season will be over, fortunately mine was dated end
Feb.
 I am  now building a new TX to generate suitable rf output for 1w erp.
73 de Mal/G3KEV

----- Original Message -----
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> Dear LF Group,
>
> The WOLF 20 beacon is running again (from 2310utc) on 503.800kHz with
100mW
> ERP. Any reports would be very welcome.
>
> Thanks for all the reports and suggestions re the WOLF transmissions. At
the
> moment, I am in the middle of rearranging the shack here - when I get
things
> sorted out a bit more, I will try some tests with a different mode,
perhaps
> JT2. When my new 500kHz NoV turns up, I will try some further WOLF tests
> with higher power levels.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
>
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>


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Thanks Mal,
Thats a relief !
73 Laurie

On 02/02/2008, mal <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>  Laurie.
> I can hr that warble, think it is someone using an appliance mode.
> de Mal/g3kev
>
>
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> *Sent:* Saturday, February 02, 2008 1:31 PM
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>
> What is "warble " signal ON TOP of G0MRF Becon?,   503.7 kHz if no one
> else hears
> this then I have a  bad case of breakthrough !
>
> Thanks Laurie
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Thanks Mal,<br>Thats a relief !<br>73 Laurie<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 02/02/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">mal</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Laurie.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I can hr that warble, think it is someone using an 
appliance mode.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">de Mal/g3kev</font></div>
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  <a title="laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com" href="mailto:laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">lawrence mayhead</a> </div>
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  <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 02, 2008 1:31 
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  <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> LF: Odd Signal !</div>

  <div><br></div>What is &quot;warble &quot; signal ON TOP of G0MRF Becon?, &nbsp; 503.7 
  kHz if no one else hears<br>this then I have a&nbsp; bad case of breakthrough 
  !<br><br>Thanks Laurie<br>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:06 PM
Subject: LF: Re: NOV UPDATE


> Dear Mal, Graham, LF Group,
>
> G3KEV wrote:
> > As a rough guide to get started, assume the average amateur antenna is
1%
> > efficient which is doubtful then you would need 100w fed to the antenna.
> > Since a more realistic efficiency figure might be 0.5% or less you would
> > need 200w.
>
> This is incorrect. The ERP could be calculated as:
>
> P(erp) = (TX power) x (Antenna efficiency) x (Antenna directivity)

We all know about eirp and dipoles.
>
> The directivity of a small vertical antenna over the dipole reference is a
> factor of 1.8 (2.6dB), so 100W into such an antenna with 1% efficiency
would
> give 1.8W ERP.
>
> >The average pa efficiency is about 50% therefore you would need
> > anything between 200 and 400watts dc input to get into the ball park and
> > generate 1w erp.
>
> For the class D or E PA stages many of us are using, 70% - 90% PA
efficiency
> would be more realistic.
>
The majority are using LINEAR PA'S at 50% efficiency for their appliance
type modes and only a few of us using cw have class D or E pa's.


> > A large 1/4 wave inv L antenna might only be 5%  efficient if you are
> lucky
> > at this freq, because the vertical part would normally only be a few
> metres
> > high with a very long horizontal part.
> > The antenna environment then needs consideration, buildings, trees,
> hedges,
> > other antenna wires in the vicinity.
>
> The field strength and impedance measurements I did on my own antenna at
my
> home QTH, basically an inverted L about 10m high and 40m long, gave an
> efficiency of about 0.6% at 500k, so I need around 90W TX to get 1W ERP.
> Increasing the height in the centre of the span to 14m roughly doubled the
> efficiency, which would reduce the power requirement to 45W. The
> environmental effects, giving rise to increased loss resistance and
reduced
> radiation resistance due to screening effects on the antenna by nearby
> objects, are quite large. The same 10m high antenna in an open field had
> about 3.6% efficiency, due to reduced environmental losses and screening,
so
> would only need 15W TX out for 1W ERP. The much bigger antennas at G3KEV
> should certainly have greater efficiency than my antennas, so would
probably
> only need a few watts from the transmitter to achieve 1W ERP - I guess the
> heaters of Mal's TT22s will be drawing more power than the anodes!

That WOULD be true if I was using the TT22 tx, which I am not.

>
> >Your 1w erp might effectively be
> > reduced to  micro watts.
> > Check the near and far fields.
>
> > I recently removed a long wire rx antenna running near my 500 khz
antenna
> > and gained 2 db.
> > The above info is a rough guide because every radio amateur installation
> is
> > different, the antenna efficiency is hard to determine, hence the erp.
>
> The antenna efficiency can't realistically be determined without field
> strength measurements - if these are not available, a better approach to
> estimating ERP is to calculate the radiation resistance of the antenna
from
> its dimensions (see formulas in RSGB handbook, LF today, ON7YD's antenna
web
> pages, etc.) Then the ERP can be estimated by measuring the antenna
current:
>
> P(erp) = 1.8 x Rrad x (Iant)^2
>
> This method inherently includes the effect of  loss resistance due to
> environmental effects, loading coil, etc. but does not include the
radiation
> resistance reduction due to the environment - but it is still a much
better
> estimate than trying to guess what the antenna efficiency will be.
>
Most of what you say is theoritical and guesswork, in reality you could be
at least 10 db out and that makes a big difference.
Your figures in the past on 137 khz varied between 6 and 10 db by your own
admission.
Amateur radio design and applications on MF and LF are not an exact science.
Mal/G3KEV

> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
>
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Henny,

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Gentlemen and ladies,



We appear to  be in the company of a very rare occurrence , a French pirate 
.



The last documented individual aptly name 'Olivier The Mouth' apparently ran 
off and hid on the ivory  coast, not quite the governor of Jamaica route to 
fame , nor is messing about with G 2 letter call sign's.





-duty-













----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John RABSON" <john.rabson@wanadoo.fr>
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On 31/01/2008 at 12:18 John Pumford-Green GM4SLV wrote:

>That 477 is an interesting report!
>
>"Readable with practically no difficulty, moderately strong signals,
>near pure tone with trace of ripple modulation."
>
>Don't hear too many "non-T9" reports these days...

Last weekennd in between DIYing, I had a quick listen on 40 m and went back 
to a G6 two-letter call who was calling CQ Contest.  I signed Foxtrot 5 
Victor Lima Foxtrot.  He came back to me:

"G9VLF you are 59 etc"

With a call of that antiquity, he should have known that G9 calls are not 
issued to the ordinary radio amateur.  Also, as he got my prefix wrong I was 
not 59.

73
John F5VLF







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capture of the ninth February 02.10z.
My loc: KO85SV
73!

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<P>Nov renewal arrived this morning - 0dBW erp "immediate effect" </P>
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The LWCA website including the bulletin board is shutting down March 8th until some time in April.

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From: "Scholz, Marco " <marco.scholz@citi.com>
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Hello,
Copied this morning very strong DL4EAU and much weaker PA3CW (not 100%
sure about the call) on 137.700KHz.

Wish all a nice sunny sunday
vy73

Marco
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Update:  THANKS for the 2nd xband QSO, Mal.

With my poor attic dipole for 80 meters my signal cannot have been too 
strong there, so glad it worked again.

BTW, GW4HXO was 539 on 502 kHz here at times.

.-.-.
>
> Hrd Mal calling qsx 3533, but couldn't raise his attention so far ;-)
>
> hpe cul,
> 73 ,   Wolf  DL4YHF .
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Mine also arrived this morning, just got the new PA finished in time.
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Since the weather is calm and dry I will beacon again this 
evening/tonight from 1800 to 0900, start synched with each hour. 
Frequency 136.3185kHz. Mode QRSS60.

Thanks for the DX reports (even the negative ones).

Mike, G3XDV
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Dear LF Group,

The WOLF 20 beacon is running again (from 2235utc) on 503.800kHz with 100mW
ERP. Any reports would be very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Hello Wolf,

not yet ...
My only antenna at the moment is the 500 kHz antenna and it is =20
absolutely deaf on HF (as it should be).
My stations is still put together with pieces of string.
Next weeks will be busy, but I hope to put a decent station together =20
mid-february, with a bit more power and a wire antenna to listen on HF.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Wolfgang B=C3=BCscher <dl4yhf@freenet.de>:

> Hello Rik,
>
> Good signal from you also, during your QSO with Finbar; 549 here in
> JO42FD . Any chance for crossband (80m) ?
>
> 73, Wolf DL4YHF
>
> Rik Strobbe schrieb:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> propagation on 500 seenms to be good tonight.
>> Just worked GI4DPE (559) and G3KEV (599). In particular Mal's  =20
>> signal was booming, when he tuned in I thought it was Gus calling ...
>>
>> I will listen on 501-504 until 22UTC and call CQ once in a while on 503.1
>>
>> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>>
>>
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>>



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Good evening my friends of the LF,

I will have to stop my activity LF, I have between 20 and 30 dB
of noise moreover! (this noise is of human origin) and I can nothing
make there ! Tomorrow I will stop the grabber, and I will go towards
other less polluted activities.
Afflicted to leave world LF, but I am constrained there.

73 qro Jean-Pierre F1AFJ
















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Laurence
Singapore> : Re: LF: 136k beacon on> > Mike,> > Nothing seen last night betw=
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Same here for Eu night 19th - I have some small paints on Argo but nothing d=
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&nbsp;<BR>
Towards Eu Long haul &gt;8000KMs conditions are definately improving from th=
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Laurence<BR>
Singapore<BR><BR>&gt; : Re: LF: 136k beacon on<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Mike,<BR>&gt=
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...trying this post again...

Glimpse of WX and YO last night early. Unfortunately, no overnight captures 
due to power 'blink'.  Will continue monitoring.

Capture time in EST.

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Zitat von Andrey RN3AGC <rn3agc@mail.ru>:

> Hello Uwe and Mike,
> capture last night 01.40z.
> My loc: KO85sv
> 73!

Thanks, Andrey
nice capture
regards
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:56 AM
Subject: LF: Re: NOV UPDATE


> Dear Mal, LF Group,
>
> You wrote:
> > Most of what you say is theoritical and guesswork, in reality you could
be
> > at least 10 db out and that makes a big difference.
> > Your figures in the past on 137 khz varied between 6 and 10 db by your
own
> > admission.
>
> Actually, what I said is backed by hundreds of practical measurements by
> myself and others. With care, the results are very consistent; I find that
> field strength measurements are repeatable within +/-1dB for a particular
> antenna.
>
> The measured ERP with an antenna in an "open field" location will agree
> quite accurately with the theoretical ERP calculations from antenna
current
> and dimensions. Antennas in less-than-ideal environments give measured ERP
> that is less than the theoretical ERP. This is not surprising, since the
> simple theoretical formulae make no attempt to model environmental
effects.
> For  the antennas I have tested at my QTH, the reduction in ERP is about
3 -
> 6 dB. This is a characteristic of a particular antenna and its
environment,
> not any kind of error.
Again Jim by your own admission you could be between 3 - 6 db either way,
in reality ie 2x to 4x the permitted 1w, ie 2w - 4w or 0.5w- 0.25w.
>
> > Amateur radio design and applications on MF and LF are not an exact
> science.
> > Mal/G3KEV
>
> No experimental science is exact, but using simple calculations and
> measurements with a tape measure and an RF ammeter, you can come up with a
> figure for radiated power that is within a few dB
When a tolerance is specified, you mention a few db, that means as I have
stated above a mere 3db doubles the power or 6 db increases it by 4 times.
The point that I am making is except calculations and field results are the
exact, which they seldom are especially in an amateur radio context, the
experiment only puts one in the ball park.
Having said that even if there is an anamoly of 3 - 6 db in ones favour it
only makes the received signal a max of 1S point stronger, hardly
discernable amongst the general noise on LF/MF, however one should aim to
achieve the permitted power and not exceed it.
I have covered other considerations before, like field strength near/far
field measurements.
Mal/g3kev



 of the correct value at LF
> or MF. This is remarkable when compared to antenna measurements in most
> other parts of the spectrum.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
>
> --
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Henny, Jean-Pierre,

    Thank you for the reports and capture!=20
Goodbye to 184kHz, back to 137kHz this night!

73 Warren K2ORS

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  capture we2xeb/2
  184005 time 02:30z
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Hello Uwe and Mike,
capture last night 01.40z.
My loc: KO85sv
73!

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Mike,

Nothing seen last night between 0200 and 0700 UTC.

John A., W1TAG

Mike Dennison wrote:
> It will be calm and dry here for a couple more nights so the beacon 
> is on again. 136.3185kHz, QRSS60, synch start with each hour.
> 
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Hi Marco, LF group
oops'  !
instead of  posting to the reflector i sent my mail to you.
i am sorry...
                       73 de peter , sq7mpj  /jo91rs/



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Despite the interest in 500kHz, there is still activity on 136kHz. In 
the last few weeks, I have worked F6BWO, F6BIR, PA3CPM, DL4EAU, and 
DJ6GT. Also, a partial with RA3YO. There has been activity from S5 
and I. Today I heard PA0SE testing in QRSS1, at 559. Beacon activity 
has been seen from UA4WPF and DJ8WX.

Mike, G3XDV
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Hi Henny,
Thank-you for the observing and reporting the signals.

73
Joe VO1NA

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> capture vo1na  184006 khz
> time  01:00
> henny pa3cpm  jo22mb
> 73s


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One man was recommend to me a SkySwepper PRO for the morse decoding.
That software use a neuronet algorithm for the morse decoding.
He is mistaken not so often then CWGet or other soft with any algorithm.
But I don't test it personally.

CWGet is need 1 chapter for synchronize  a decode process.
If your have a QSB signal decoder re-synchronize each time when the=20
level of the signal up-n-down across the level border into program and=20
decoding process will be bad.
I use a GWGet so often for decode a NDB, CW on DX'ng, trying to use for=20
decode a CW from HAM-SAT.
You need a 'crystal' CW signal w/o QRM and QSB then the decode process=20
will be good.


* mal <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> [Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:40:25 -0000]:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jan Verduyn" <jan.verduyn@gmail.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:37 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: CW Skimmer
> It is virtually impossible for a machine to read poor morse because=20
when
> the
> elements are split up you get a different character to that intended.
>
>
> > I expect it is only a matter of time before CW Skimmer will cope=20
with
> poor
> > quality CW signals, similarly to what CWGet is apparently capable=20
of.
> > Just a case of implementing an the algorithm. If I had to name
> software
> > authors who are capable of doing this than Alex the author of CW
> Skimmer
> > would be at the top of my list...
> >
> > It's not that many years ago that a skilled CW operator beat the PC=20
at
> > decoding CW signals just below noiselevel...with QRSS this has now
> been
> > accepted that a PC does better.
> >
> > I ran CW Skimmer during 160m contest on 26th Jan and it decoded some
> 130+
> > stations using a softrock RX... extremely impressive software
> What about the 700 plus that you missed.
>
> >
> > Jan G0BBL
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roman ." <rw3adb@rambler.ru>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:34 AM
> > Subject: Re: LF: CW Skimmer
> >
> >
> > That systems are working with 'ideal' quality CW signal only.
> > The other famous shareware program CW skimmer in russia is UA9OSV
> CwGet:
> > http://www.dxsoft.com/ru/products/cwget/
> >
> >
> >
> > * John W Gould <jwgould@iee.org> [Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:54:10 -0000]:
> > > Not sure if this has been mentioned on this group but an=20
interesting
> > > piece
> > > of software by Alex, VE3NEA, called CW Skimmer has recently been
> made
> > > available, see
> > > http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/
> > >
> > > Although the software costs $75 one can download a trial version=20
(30
> > > days).
> > > It's interesting to see that whilst away from the shack this=20
evening
> > the
> > > program correctly identified G3KEV (501.9 at 19:35) and also G0MRF
> > > (503.0 at
> > > 19:37).   The callsign picking routine must have been designed for
> the
> > > HF
> > > bands, where the protocol is very mature, so got a bit confused=20
with
> > the
> > > protocol used on 500kHz and eventually decided that David callsign
> was
> > > IO91TK!
> > >
> > > It seems to need a reasonable S/N, but could be quite useful if=20
one
> is
> > > not
> > > able to personally monitor the band all of the time.  Have others
> > tried
> > > it?
> > >
> > > 73 John, G3WKL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Roman ..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > No virus found in this incoming message.
> > Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.20.5/1279 - Release Date:
> 14/02/2008 18:35
> >
>

--
Roman ..

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Dave
The fashion today is to avoid morse and the soldering iron. My message did
not say avoid other radio amateurs.
73 de Mal/g3kev

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> mal wrote:
>
>  > The average radio amateur today is an appliance operator and probably
>  > never heard about morse code or a soldering iron. Avoid them both!!
>  > G3KEV
>
> Hi Mal
> how can you know when to avoid a licenced radio amateur, how do you
> describe "average"?
> You do not "see" them but only have a call-sign to go by.
> What are your terms of reference to make such a statement?
>
>   Many of us suffered strokes or worse during our amateur career and
> thus became unable to remember and use CW well enough to "pass a test",
> and thus were barred from the HF bands.
>
> Fortunately this has been corrected and we "so called" Class B licencees
> could enjoy a taste of the HF bands denied to us, not because of lack of
> ability but due to impairments.
> Despite being visually impaired now from stroke induced brain damage, I
> can still use a soldering iron and construct-takes more time and more
> care, but I get there!
>
> CW retention and use is no longer a possibility though!
>
> I operate without causing interference to others and know how to and am
> able to  construct and repair test equipment and modern transceivers.
>
> Does this make me a leper in your eyes?
>
> It matters not to me whether you Mal, or your ilk, avoids me when I
> eventually get onto LF bands, but  I would welcome a more understanding
> attitude from you/them, and less bigoted comments concerning those not
> blessed with your/their abilities.
> Perhaps some died in the wool CW operators should look outside of their
> box before using voice or keyboard and passing judgement!
> dave
> G8SZX  Glenfield Leicester IO92jp
> webpage
> www.g8szx.mediumwaveradio.org
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     *From:* G4gvw@aol.com <mailto:G4gvw@aol.com>
> >     *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> >     <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> >     *Sent:* Friday, February 15, 2008 11:23 PM
> >     *Subject:* Re: LF: CW Skimmer
> >
> >     Actualy I do not agree with that statement. It is only in the
> >     present state of the art that you might say that a machine cannot
> >     read poorly sent morse. It is not so many years ago that the present
> >     state of the art was considered beyond the reach of machines!
> >
> >     It is surely not beyond the wit of man to imagine that a future
> >     generation of machines and their programmes (I hesitate to use the
> >     word software deliberately) might not only decode a data stream
> >     called "morse" but actually interpret its "meaning" using rules
> >     based on language, useage and machine-based artificial intelligence!
> >
> >     In the same way that the modern radio amateur has become an operator
> >     of "black boxes" who is to say that the next generation of Black
> >     Boxes will not become an operator of radio amateurs?
> >
> >     Some would say that this is alraeady the case!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     73 de Pat G4GVW es gd dx
> >     Qth near Felixstowe, UK
> >
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Jean-Pierre,

It is good that you can see traces. Your noise problem has improved?

Thank-you for monitoring.
73
Joe

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:

> Hello  all on LF ,
>
> Last night i copy  :
>
> RA3YO on 136   ( on the Grabber )
>
> VO1NA on 184 ( traces )
>
> The captures of night are at :
> http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/
>
> grabber at :
> http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm
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> 73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
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Scholz, Marco wrote:

>Hello,
>Yesterday evening i compared my Receiver FT-857 & Miniwhip against
>EKD-300 & Miniwhip and as expected the EKD was much better. I received
>very early the beacon of GI4DPE and later i had a good copy of G0MRF.
>However still not happy with the EKD-300 due the variable CW Pitch
>(500-1200Hz). Really hard to set a CW pitch which is exactly 700 or
>800Hz. Very quickly the signal is +/-20Hz and then the QRSS signal is
>out of the Spectran range. I also failed to receive the WOLF signal of
>M0BMU with the FT-857 it's no problem.
>Does anyone know how to set a fix CW pitch on the EKD (maybe it's a
>modification)?
>
>v73
>Marco
>
>DD7PC, JN49ax
>
>  
>
Dear  Marco, LF group

i am also a happy owner of the  EKD-300 and sure, you are right about 
the CW pitch 'flow'  in this receiver.
well, i suggest to  use its 200 kHz  IF output on the rear panel.  for 
example, you could make a downconverter
 which is 'equivalent' to local oscillator and the mixer. the local 
oscillator  can be realized easily by a  crystal with
 an appropriate frequency division and then the celebrated NE612 as a 
mixer so you could  end up with 'new' IF frequency
 in the range 10-20 kHz  directly injected into your sound card . the 
rest is done nicely by  a  Wolf's DL4YHF Spectrum Lab
absolutely superb software.
the other way to overcome your problem, the "fast" one,  is to use 
ekd-300 and ft857 together - you can 'feed' directly ft857
 with ekd-300 200 khz IF output . i have made short cable  connecting  
ekd's IF output with an antenna input of ft857
then you set the dial in ft857 as  200 kHz and the rest is obvious ie. 
'digital' cw pitch etc..
BTW. i did succeed with  Jim's M0BMU WOLF 20 transmission on several 
occasions using only ft857. 
ft857 has a nice and helpful feature  named  DSP CW Peaking Filter [ row 
"p" - DNR,DNF,DBF] - the center frequency of this DSP filter
is automatically aligned with your selected CW pitch , say, 600 Hz in my 
case and via the menu mode 45
 you can select the desired bandwidth of this filter ( 60, 120,240 Hz).

                                                   73 de peter, sq7mpj  
/jo91rs/


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Scholz, Marco wrote:
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  <pre wrap=3D"">Hello,
Yesterday evening i compared my Receiver FT-857 &amp; Miniwhip against
EKD-300 &amp; Miniwhip and as expected the EKD was much better. I received
very early the beacon of GI4DPE and later i had a good copy of G0MRF.
However still not happy with the EKD-300 due the variable CW Pitch
(500-1200Hz). Really hard to set a CW pitch which is exactly 700 or
800Hz. Very quickly the signal is +/-20Hz and then the QRSS signal is
out of the Spectran range. I also failed to receive the WOLF signal of
M0BMU with the FT-857 it's no problem.
Does anyone know how to set a fix CW pitch on the EKD (maybe it's a
modification)?

v73
Marco

DD7PC, JN49ax

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Dear=C2=A0 Marco, LF group<br>
<br>
i am also a happy owner of the=C2=A0 EKD-300 and sure, you are right about
the CW pitch 'flow'=C2=A0 in this receiver.<br>
well, i suggest to=C2=A0 use its 200 kHz=C2=A0 IF output on the rear panel.=
=C2=A0 for
example, you could make a downconverter<br>
=C2=A0which is 'equivalent' to local oscillator and the mixer. the local
oscillator=C2=A0 can be realized easily by a=C2=A0 crystal with<br>
=C2=A0an appropriate frequency division and then the celebrated NE612 as a
mixer so you could=C2=A0 end up with 'new' IF frequency<br>
=C2=A0in the range 10-20 kHz=C2=A0 directly injected into your sound card .=20=
the
rest is done nicely by=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 Wolf's DL4YHF Spectrum Lab<br>
absolutely superb software.<br>
the other way to overcome your problem, the "fast" one,=C2=A0 is to use
ekd-300 and ft857 together - you can 'feed' directly ft857 <br>
=C2=A0with ekd-300 200 khz IF output . i have made short cable=C2=A0 connect=
ing=C2=A0
ekd's IF output with an antenna input of ft857<br>
then you set the dial in ft857 as=C2=A0 200 kHz and the rest is obvious ie.
'digital' cw pitch etc..<br>
BTW. i did succeed with=C2=A0 Jim's M0BMU WOLF 20 transmission on several
occasions using only ft857.=C2=A0 <br>
ft857 has a nice and helpful feature=C2=A0 named=C2=A0 DSP CW Peaking Filter=
 [
row "p" - DNR,DNF,<b>DBF</b>] - the center frequency of this DSP filter
<br>
is automatically aligned with your selected CW pitch , say, 600 Hz in
my case and via the menu mode 45 <br>
=C2=A0you can select the desired bandwidth of this filter ( 60, 120,240 Hz).
<br>
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Sounds like that and 'Dimension 4' to keep the clock updated would be  
perfect.
 
Thanks
 
David  G0MRF
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/02/2008 16:21:26 GMT Standard Time,  
andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com writes:

On my web site (see below), in the 'Beacons' section, you will find  
PCBCN.zip which is a simple Windoze utility that activates a COM  port at regular 
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the duration when the appropriate  interval arrives.  That's all, no CW 
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.. and its entirely up to you to somehow keep the PC clock accurate  enough!



 



   

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Mal, I agree with your comments.   It's an interesting development though.
Playing with the trial version it's amazing to watch it decode multiple CW
streams in a DX pileup in parallel and even when they are quite close in
terms of frequency.  

Not sure what it all means for HF operating, though.  

73 John, G3WKL




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Roelof Bakker wrote:
> Hello Alberto,
>  
> Your program Spectran is in wide use amongst NDB chasers.
> Someone had the following question:
> --- snip ---

  Hi Roelof,

    that question was posed in the SDR-IQ Yahoo group, and I have answered there. For the benefit of the readers of this 
group that are not subscribed to that other group, I'm doing a copy-and-paste of my answer here below.

73  Alberto  I2PHD
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 > When using a sound card with programs such as WinRad or Spectran, how
 > important is the sound card quality for signal processing? Does the
 > sound card do any processing in decodind or displaying the signals or
 > is this all done in the Spectran software?
 >
 > Sound cards are available for $20, others cost over $250. Will the
 > higher cost sound card imrove processing or decoding?

Al, the short answer is yes. The sound card does not do any processing
of the signal, apart from converting it from analog form to the digital
realm. So what really matters in a sound card is the quality of its ADC
and of the analog stages that are in front of it. All that is what
determines the dynamic range, which is the ratio between the strongest
signal that the card is capable to digitize without overloading and the
weakest signal that can be reliably extracted from the background noise
(explained in simplified form).

All the processing is then done by the program that runs on the PC. So
when you buy a sound card, read carefully the specs about the dynamic
range and the noise. The problem is that those specs are generally
related to the intended use of a sound card, i.e. acquiring and playing
back audio... for SDR the requirements are a bit more stringent. So
that's why the M-Audio Audiophile 192 card, excellent on paper, is a
mediocre performer for SDR applications... it has been measured as
having an excellent noise performance up to about 30 kHz, but then the
noise pedestal grows significantly when you go up in frequency... so its
use at 96 or 192 kHz sampling rate for applications where you have
significant signal components above 30 kHz , like an SDR application, is
not recommended.

If you are in search of a good sound card, the measures performed not by
me, but by some other SDR enthusiasts, all point to the EMU-1212M, which
seems to have a very good performance/price ratio, especially if you
buy it second hand on eBay. If you want to spend a little less, but
still obtaining decent performance, albeit inferior to the 1212M, a good
candidate could be the M-Audio Delta 44, that is widespread about the
SDR community.

All of the above of course is valid if you use the sound card as input,
i.e. if you have a Tayloe-type mixer like the various Softrock
incarnations. Instead if you use a direct RF sampling receiver, like
the SDR-IQ, the subject of this group, disregard all of the above, as in
this case the sound card is used only for the playback of the
demodulated audio, and the cheap AC'97 chipset found on every
motherboard is more than enough for this.

73 Alberto I2PHD



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Does anyone have experience of using a computer without RS232 for QRS.
I have tried to get an output from the 9 pin serial ports on my computer, it
appears that the -12 volts  on  the appropriate pin (pin 4 for Key ) drops
only
momentarily. If this is correct I will need a latch to hold the command
until
released. Is this the general experience or am I doing something wrong
(again ! )
Thanks 73 Laurie.

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Does anyone have experience of using a computer without RS232 for QRS.<br>I have tried to get an output from the 9 pin serial ports on my computer, it<br>appears that the -12 volts&nbsp; on&nbsp; the appropriate pin (pin 4 for Key ) drops only<br>
momentarily. If this is correct I will need a latch to hold the command until<br>released. Is this the general experience or am I doing something wrong (again ! )<br>Thanks 73 Laurie. <br>

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John
These devices depend on the quality of morse sending. They will not read
poorly and badly sent morse, which  is more common than you think.
For auto sent morse they work well.
There is no substitute for a skilled cw operator.
de Mal/G3KEV

----- Original Message -----
From: "John W Gould" <jwgould@iee.org>
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Not sure if this has been mentioned on this group but an interesting piece
of software by Alex, VE3NEA, called CW Skimmer has recently been made
available, see
http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/

Although the software costs $75 one can download a trial version (30 days).
It's interesting to see that whilst away from the shack this evening the
program correctly identified G3KEV (501.9 at 19:35) and also G0MRF (503.0 at
19:37).   The callsign picking routine must have been designed for the HF
bands, where the protocol is very mature, so got a bit confused with the
protocol used on 500kHz and eventually decided that David callsign was
IO91TK!

It seems to need a reasonable S/N, but could be quite useful if one is not
able to personally monitor the band all of the time.  Have others tried it?

73 John, G3WKL






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tu john,

73 henny cpm
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> Henny,
> 
> If Europe1 on 183 kHz ran a 1 kHz tone during their non-program period, 
> then you would see a line on 184 kHz.
> 
> John Andrews, W1TAG
> 
>


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Hello Jim and the group,

Immediate copy on your WOLF20 signal after 12 seconds.
22:36:14 f: 0.165 a:-0.9 dp: 62.8 ci: 4 cj:458 DE M0BMU IO91VR -

The FT-897 connected to a resonant ferrite antenna (similar to GM4ISM's) 
makes a big difference.

MRF beacon also visible, and G3XIZ "Test" audible 559 at the moment 
(22:39 UTC).

GL and happy amplifier-building for next month !


73,
 Wolf DL4YHF


James Moritz schrieb:
> Dear LF Group,
>
> Good news on the extension to 500kHz operation - Have to start on the QRO TX
> now!
>
> The M0BMU WOLF 20 beacon is now QRV again (2200utc) on 503.800kHz - still
> with 100mW ERP for the time being...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
>
>   



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Got awakened by the sound (?) of a "bump in the night" but thought "Mmmmmm!  
Doesn't sound like WW3" and went back to sleep.
 
Gosh! I do lead an exciting life don't I ?
 
 
Sorry, but no exciting "did the earth(quake) move for you ?" stories from  
this QTH !
 
 
 
 
73 de Pat  G4GVW es gd dx
Qth near Felixstowe, UK




   

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Hello,
the email from Hans-Albrecht motivated me to ask if someone have to sell a s=
maller 137KHz amplifier?
50-100W should be fine. Like to drive the PA with  my LF Exciter ZL1BPU.

Many thanks
vy73

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Dear Lowfers,

sooner or later I am looking for an TX for 136 kHz, giving me reasonable mor=
e output than my present one with abt. 70 W_60 Ohm.  Power supply should be=20=
DC or 230V single phase, my cottage has no three-phase-current.=20

If anyone in Europe sells an PA , please let me know. Info to me via  call b=
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  Hello Joe,
I am sad to be obliged to stop any activity LF , I cannot receive
the weak signals more because I am QRM 20/30dB of more than
noise since more than one week . We made beautiful things on 184
Khz thank you for these good moments . I will leave the world of
the LF to make another thing in part of the spectrum less polluted .
I will keep an eye on list RSGB to have news of the friends !
73 J-P f1afj




















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Am I correct in assuming that the power increase is immediate and not from  
Feb 29th ??
 
David   G0MRF
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 01/02/2008 10:38:30 GMT Standard Time, jwgould@iee.org  
writes:

UK  500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care  to
look at Ofcom's announcement at  

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200
80201

This  came out a little earlier than was suggested last week

73 John,  G3WKL
RSGB HF Manager







   

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Graham,

  Most kevlar rope for antenna use has an outer covering of Dacron for UV protection so it will be non conductive.
However, I don't think its a good idea to guy the very top of a vertical especially if high power is in use, particularly in rainy conditions.


--
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
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From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> Looking to replace the guy ropes on my vertical mast , the blue polyprop is 
> showing signs of over exposure to  the sun and starting to  fray
> 
> 
> 
> I'm wondering if the 'kevlar' type of ropes would be suited, as the mast is 
> a radiating element ?
> 
> 
> 
> But as far as I know, the rope conducts electrically, which would not be a 
> good  material to  have in the saturation field of the element
> 
> 
> 
> How conductive is the 'rope' ? is it just a leakage or a full low ohm 
> situation ?
> 
> 
> 
> Tnx - G ..
> 
> 
> 



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Brian Rogerson wrote:

> Can anybody help?  I am trying to repair a T-storm damaged LF 
> multicoupler
>
> in which the front end National Semiconductors CLC200 requires replacing.
>
> With apologies for being off topic.
>
> Brian CT1DRP
>
>
Dear Brian, LF group

look at this:
http://www.cadeka.com/KH200.php
it is a direct replacement for this national semicond. clc200 wideband 
op amp.
i do think it is not an off-topic problem  :)
                                                                      73 
de peter, sq7mpj  /jo91rs/

p.s.  also AD9610 of Analog Devices  looks like an  appropriate replacement


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Mike

Lots of static here last night...not sure tonight will be much better. Storm=
 is moving off the coast but still has lots of lightning.

Jay

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  I shall be beaconing again overnight. Last night's conditions looked=20
  better, according to W3EEE's graph. 136.3185k, QRSS60.

  DJ8WX is also active on 136.319kHz.

  Mike, G3XDV
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Good morning,
Big activity last night and this morning.=20
Copied PA0SE in dfcw around midnight and later PE1RRF very strong in
QRSS60 (and sure also DJ8WX).
Tried then for the rest of the night to copy WD2XES in Wolf10 ( a short
test before with M0BMU was successful directly after t:144).
Unfortunately i fail to copy XES. Not sure if this was something close:
t:2880 f:-0.566 pm:207.4 jm: 43 q: -3.9 -7.5 ???GOU7 QSH3GS. ?
t:2976 f:-0.566 pm:207.5 jm: 43 q: -3.8 -7.5 ???GOU7 QSH3GS. ?
t:3072 f:-0.566 pm:207.8 jm: 43 q: -3.8 -7.5 ???GOU7 QSH3GS. ?

Vy73
Marco
DD7PC
JN49ax

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Thank-you for monitoring Henny.  That does appear to be my signal.

73
Joe

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> trace of vo1na  (n) time 01:00z
> henny pa3cpm
> 73s


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Hello Rik,

Ok, thanks for the information - and no problem.. maybe, we can even try 
136 / 500 kHz then (from DK4U alias DF0WD).

At the moment, the only signal I can *hear* in CW on 500 kHz is Finbar's 
beacon near 501.3 kHz, and of course the DI beacons.

73, 
   Wolf  DL4YHF .

Rik Strobbe schrieb:
> Hello Wolf,
>
> not yet ...
> My only antenna at the moment is the 500 kHz antenna and it is 
> absolutely deaf on HF (as it should be).
> My stations is still put together with pieces of string.
> Next weeks will be busy, but I hope to put a decent station together 
> mid-february, with a bit more power and a wire antenna to listen on HF.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>



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There have been 18 downloads of  the beacon timing software  PCBCN  this
month.  Its still there...

http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/PCBCN.zip

Andy  G4JNT


On 29/02/2008, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> That's  quite well summed up ! and was one of the reasons for the 'Timed
> beacon software' , each end could run it
> and still see what was happening on the band.... dont have to  be on the
> same frequency and would of given a plot
> over time ...
>
> Just need someone to  code it :(
>
> G ..
>
>
> > Beacon acty would be an indicator for you if propagation was optimum but
> > unattended beacons would be pointless, if one was not in a position to
> go
> > into QSO mode immediately given the right conditions.
> > To respond immediately a link on 3.5/7 mhz would be useful to indicate
> > copy
> > at either end and the link needs to be monitored in real time for a
> quick
> > response.
> > As far as I can see this is the only approach that will work.
> > 73 de Mal/G3KEV
> >
>
>
>
>


-- 
Andy  G4JNT
www.scrbg.org/g4jnt

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<div>There have been 18 downloads of&nbsp; the beacon timing software&nbsp; PCBCN&nbsp;&nbsp;this month.&nbsp; Its still there...</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><a href="http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/PCBCN.zip">http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/PCBCN.zip</a></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Andy&nbsp; G4JNT<br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 29/02/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">Graham</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk">g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">That&#39;s&nbsp;&nbsp;quite well summed up ! and was one of the reasons for the &#39;Timed<br>beacon software&#39; , each end could run it<br>
and still see what was happening on the band.... dont have to&nbsp;&nbsp;be on the<br>same frequency and would of given a plot<br>over time ...<br><br>Just need someone to&nbsp;&nbsp;code it :(<br><br>G ..<br><br><br>&gt; Beacon acty would be an indicator for you if propagation was optimum but<br>
&gt; unattended beacons would be pointless, if one was not in a position to go<br>&gt; into QSO mode immediately given the right conditions.<br>&gt; To respond immediately a link on 3.5/7 mhz would be useful to indicate<br>
&gt; copy<br>&gt; at either end and the link needs to be monitored in real time for a quick<br>&gt; response.<br>&gt; As far as I can see this is the only approach that will work.<br>&gt; 73 de Mal/G3KEV<br>&gt;<br><br><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Andy&nbsp;&nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href="http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt">www.scrbg.org/g4jnt</a> 

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John,

> WE2XGR/3 will run in WOLF(10) mode on 508.500 kHz tonight, starting 
> around 2330 UTC. Reports are welcome.

> John Andrews, W1TAG
 
nothing decoded here, last night. The local noise level was high.

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Mike Thayne wrote:
> Peter your QRSS ID is fully audible 559 on about 501.5. Nice steady
> signal no QSB.
>
> Mike, G3GMS
>
>   
Many thanks for the report Mike

Regards

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Thanks, Jay. I will beacon again tonight.  

de MIke, G3XDV
============

> Several fragments like this visible throughout the night - not enough
> to identify but frequency is correct. Time is EST. Nothing from WX.
> 
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
> 





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That's true , be interesting to  see what kind of power level you need to 
get 1 watt erp
from such a large antenna array ,  looking at the  calculators carnt be more 
than   50  watt's
tops , suppose a lift from 5watts  to  50watts  might help  ?

G ..


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> Graham,
>
>   UK to W has only been done a couple of times under the best of 
> conditions, the new power levels might facilitate more contacts, 
> particularly with U.K. stations who don't live near the coast.
>
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
> WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
> WE2XEB/2   160-189kHz
> WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz
>
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>> Must of missed something here !
>>
>> UK to  W  has been done on 100 mW , just takes skill not power !
>>
>> G ..
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
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>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:22 PM
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>>
>>
>> > New updated NOV arrived this morning, no excuse for weak signals 
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>> > on
>> > 500 khz
>> > Mal/G3KEV
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Call CQ and see what happens.

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  Has anyone heard any signals on 500kHz during the last 24 hours ?
  Here only white noise no static no signals !
  Was it the earthquake ? or did my ant. fall down.
  73 Laurie.



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also nice capture xgj  same time
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Hello Joe, Warren, Wofgang, Roelof,

Thank you very much of your encouragements, I cannot any more what
make ! the qrm is very random: 10 20 30 dB more than the normal ,
therefore the grabber does not give any more the absolute reference !
I will still maintain it a few days in service on 137 Khz . For the 184
Khz . I can continue more with the noise floor to 20 dB higher ! If the
situation wanted to develop in the good sense , I will be able to return .

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
=20
K2ORS a =E9crit :
> Dear jean-Pierre,
>
>    I am very sorry for the QRM that is making you stop the grabber!
> Last night XES and XGJ were visible on the grabber even with the QRM.
> I hope you reconsider your decision!
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9"=20
> <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
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> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 6:11 PM
> Subject: LF: T/A [137] QRM on 137 kHz
>
>
>> Good evening my friends of the LF,
>>
>> I will have to stop my activity LF, I have between 20 and 30 dB
>> of noise moreover! (this noise is of human origin) and I can nothing
>> make there ! Tomorrow I will stop the grabber, and I will go towards
>> other less polluted activities.
>> Afflicted to leave world LF, but I am constrained there.
>>
>> 73 qro Jean-Pierre F1AFJ
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Hi Warren,

It might improve the spirts of those who have been disappointed
by not seeing my weak signals there!

73 and thanks
Joe

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, k2ors@comcast.net wrote:

> Joe,
>
>    I have been considering putting a signal on near your beacon (1-2Hz away from you  ~184.005) with about 250 watts to give potential listeners a propagation indicator and another target to look for.  Let me know if you like the idea.
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
> WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
> WE2XEB/2   160-189kHz
> WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz
>
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: jcraig@mun.ca
>> Hi Jean-Pierre and Wolf,
>>
>> I can understand how the QRM makes it seem futile to receive the very
>> weak signals, but we have made much progress despite the challenges.
>> The transmitter will remain in operation if you desire and will be moved
>> to a frequency of your preference if you can find one with lower noise in
>> the 160-190 kHz range.  When the experiment with the Poldhu club
>> is finished, we can then try QRSS120 if you are interested.
>>
>> 73 and thank-you for the many reports!
>>
>> Joe VO1NA
>>
>
>


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mal wrote:

 > The average radio amateur today is an appliance operator and probably
 > never heard about morse code or a soldering iron. Avoid them both!!
 > G3KEV

Hi Mal
how can you know when to avoid a licenced radio amateur, how do you 
describe "average"?
You do not "see" them but only have a call-sign to go by.
What are your terms of reference to make such a statement?

  Many of us suffered strokes or worse during our amateur career and 
thus became unable to remember and use CW well enough to "pass a test", 
and thus were barred from the HF bands.

Fortunately this has been corrected and we "so called" Class B licencees 
could enjoy a taste of the HF bands denied to us, not because of lack of 
ability but due to impairments.
Despite being visually impaired now from stroke induced brain damage, I 
can still use a soldering iron and construct-takes more time and more 
care, but I get there!

CW retention and use is no longer a possibility though!

I operate without causing interference to others and know how to and am 
able to  construct and repair test equipment and modern transceivers.

Does this make me a leper in your eyes?

It matters not to me whether you Mal, or your ilk, avoids me when I 
eventually get onto LF bands, but  I would welcome a more understanding 
attitude from you/them, and less bigoted comments concerning those not 
blessed with your/their abilities.
Perhaps some died in the wool CW operators should look outside of their 
box before using voice or keyboard and passing judgement!
dave
G8SZX  Glenfield Leicester IO92jp
webpage
www.g8szx.mediumwaveradio.org



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>     Actualy I do not agree with that statement. It is only in the
>     present state of the art that you might say that a machine cannot
>     read poorly sent morse. It is not so many years ago that the present
>     state of the art was considered beyond the reach of machines!
>      
>     It is surely not beyond the wit of man to imagine that a future
>     generation of machines and their programmes (I hesitate to use the
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>     In the same way that the modern radio amateur has become an operator
>     of "black boxes" who is to say that the next generation of Black
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>      
>     Some would say that this is alraeady the case!
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nice capture xgj  henny pa3cpm  06:15z
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Monty Python dealt with this subject in the "Holy Grail"

Guard: I'm French!  Why do think I have this outrageous accent, you
      silly king!
  GALAHAD:  What are you doing in England?
  GUARD:  Mind your own business!

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/mphg/mphg.htm



--
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
WE2XEB/2   160-189kHz
WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz

FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

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From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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> Gentlemen and ladies,
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> We appear to  be in the company of a very rare occurrence , a French pirate 
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> The last documented individual aptly name 'Olivier The Mouth' apparently ran 
> off and hid on the ivory  coast, not quite the governor of Jamaica route to 
> fame , nor is messing about with G 2 letter call sign's.
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John RABSON" <john.rabson@wanadoo.fr>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:59 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: OR7T 559
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> On 31/01/2008 at 12:18 John Pumford-Green GM4SLV wrote:
> 
> >That 477 is an interesting report!
> >
> >"Readable with practically no difficulty, moderately strong signals,
> >near pure tone with trace of ripple modulation."
> >
> >Don't hear too many "non-T9" reports these days...
> 
> Last weekennd in between DIYing, I had a quick listen on 40 m and went back 
> to a G6 two-letter call who was calling CQ Contest.  I signed Foxtrot 5 
> Victor Lima Foxtrot.  He came back to me:
> 
> "G9VLF you are 59 etc"
> 
> With a call of that antiquity, he should have known that G9 calls are not 
> issued to the ordinary radio amateur.  Also, as he got my prefix wrong I was 
> not 59.
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> 73
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Dear John, LF Group,

Left the receiver on your frequency overnight last night, but nil copy
unfortunately.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



---- Original Message -----
From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands"
<lowfer@mailman.qth.net>; <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 6:55 PM
Subject: LF: WD2XES WOLF again


> WD2XES will again run WOLF(10) tonight from about 0000 to 0800 UTC on
> 137.577 kHz. There will be a break of about a half-hour at 0200 for a
> cross-band QSO with WE2XGR/2, possibly in PSK31. Reports are welcome.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
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I expect it is only a matter of time before CW Skimmer will cope with poor 
quality CW signals, similarly to what CWGet is apparently capable of.
Just a case of implementing an the algorithm. If I had to name software 
authors who are capable of doing this than Alex the author of CW Skimmer 
would be at the top of my list...

It's not that many years ago that a skilled CW operator beat the PC at 
decoding CW signals just below noiselevel...with QRSS this has now been 
accepted that a PC does better.

I ran CW Skimmer during 160m contest on 26th Jan and it decoded some 130+ 
stations using a softrock RX... extremely impressive software.

Jan G0BBL


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roman ." <rw3adb@rambler.ru>
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Subject: Re: LF: CW Skimmer


That systems are working with 'ideal' quality CW signal only.
The other famous shareware program CW skimmer in russia is UA9OSV CwGet:
http://www.dxsoft.com/ru/products/cwget/



* John W Gould <jwgould@iee.org> [Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:54:10 -0000]:
> Not sure if this has been mentioned on this group but an interesting
> piece
> of software by Alex, VE3NEA, called CW Skimmer has recently been made
> available, see
> http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/
>
> Although the software costs $75 one can download a trial version (30
> days).
> It's interesting to see that whilst away from the shack this evening
the
> program correctly identified G3KEV (501.9 at 19:35) and also G0MRF
> (503.0 at
> 19:37).   The callsign picking routine must have been designed for the
> HF
> bands, where the protocol is very mature, so got a bit confused with
the
> protocol used on 500kHz and eventually decided that David callsign was
> IO91TK!
>
> It seems to need a reasonable S/N, but could be quite useful if one is
> not
> able to personally monitor the band all of the time.  Have others
tried
> it?
>
> 73 John, G3WKL
>
>
>
>

--
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John
I cannot find the 500 khz link at ofcom to which u refer
73 Mal/G3KEV


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Tell me please, Pat, sir Samuel Morse is rx'd Morse code orally?)
Why all radio-amateurs in all country make a 'religion' from the knack=20
of receiving Morse orally?
The frontire of the Radio now - is a Computing devices + Programming +=20
Radio equipment.
The 1 tube TX + key-bug is a history of the Radio.
Modern Radio is need a good 'users'. This is a reality.
Of course, the knowledge level for the designing computer devices and=20
programming must be more high, then for design 1-tube-tx!
Therefore  the number of designers not so great now. 1000/1 as usual.
If you  like Radio and you a good user why you are is not radio-amateur?


* G4gvw@aol.com [Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:23:03 EST]:
> Actualy I do not agree with that statement. It is only in the present
> state
> of the art that you might say that a machine cannot read poorly sent
> morse. It
>  is not so many years ago that the present state of the art was
> considered
> beyond  the reach of machines!
>
> It is surely not beyond the wit of man to imagine that a future
> generation
> of machines and their programmes (I hesitate to use the word software
> deliberately) might not only decode a data stream called "morse" but
> actually
> interpret its "meaning" using rules based on language, useage and
> machine-based
> artificial intelligence!
>
> In the same way that the modern radio amateur has become an operator=20
of
> "black boxes" who is to say that the next generation of Black Boxes=20
will
> not
> become an operator of radio amateurs?
>
> Some would say that this is alraeady the case!
>
>
>
>
> 73 de Pat  G4GVW es gd dx
> Qth near Felixstowe,  UK
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Hello  all on LF ,

Last night i copy  :

RA3YO on 136   ( on the Grabber )

VO1NA on 184 ( traces )

The captures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

grabber at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

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Just a few dB down from the previous night - RA3YO 136,3175 +- dfcw and othe=
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Tstorms around and the first drop of rain for two weeks.
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Just a few dB down from the previous night - RA3YO 136,3175 +- dfcw&nbsp;and=
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Tstorms around and the first drop of rain for two weeks.<BR>
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Just had to do it!!!!!!!!!

On my web site (see below), in the 'Beacons' section, you will find
PCBCN.zip which is a simple Windoze utility that activates a COM port at
regular intervals   Specify repeat interval and offset in minutes, and the
Tx ON time in seconds, and it will set the RTS and DTR lines of your
specified COM port for the duration when the appropriate interval arrives.
That's all, no CW messages, no bells, no whistles, no warranty!

.. and its entirely up to you to somehow keep the PC clock accurate enough!

The prog was thrown together in VB6 this afternoon and barely tested enough
to ensure it did what it said on the tin.   I can't guarantee it will
function over midnight (at least not until tonight anyway :-) or how well it
will work on any PC.  It did run on two here though.

The full source code is supplied for anyone to look / inspect / / audit /
verify / play with / hack about.   Please don't ask for highly complicated
additions, bells, sirens, soundcard functionality etc etc.  And say thank
you to my employer for the few hours spent "self training in the art of
programming"

Andy  G4JNT
www.scrbg.org/g4jnt

www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/PCBCN.zip





On 10/02/2008, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> This is something that may be of interest  .. To a programmer or two or
> three ? There exists collectively the expertise, but can anyone see a way
> of
> producing the system?
>
>
>
> The idea  came initially from the 'Beacon Bedlam' , that existed south of
> Watford gap .. about the only time the skip distance on 500 was 'useful'
> in
> that band conditions in the north west where quite quiet, later to  prove
> a
> hindrance,
>
>
>
> There already exists a similar system on 5 Mhz , however the transmission
> sites are defined and  participation is only possible by 'passive
> reception'
> not too appealing for 'experimentation' This is a 'proposal' the concept
> is
> proven , but 'we' need the
> services of a programmer or two !! Similar thing's exist but are coded to
> use 'pics' ,
>
>
>
> One of the main criteria is , that 'anyone' with a windows based pc should
> be able to download and install the tx/rx  software and join in, be it as
> a
> TX station, simply claim a 'time slot' ,  or a passive observer being
> presented with all 5 slots as a amplitude/time plot.
>
>
>
> One of the  main attractions would be : TX stations will be able
> to  observe
> the other beacons in the chain , eliminating the lonely vigil of being in
> perm ante
>
> transmit mode, while providing , at a glance, band conditions  for all
> involved as well as reducing tx duty cycle time !
>
>
>
> The number of TX stations is proposed as 5 in the chain , more may be
> possible , but the time control factor may prove too difficult to achieve
> within windows , but cw type software in beacon mode would appear
> top  make
> a reasonable job of time control ?
>
> Click on
> http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project
> - or copy & paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't
> work.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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<div>Just had to do it!!!!!!!!!</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>On my web site (see below), in the &#39;Beacons&#39; section, you will find PCBCN.zip which is a simple Windoze utility that&nbsp;activates a COM port&nbsp;at regular intervals&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Specify repeat interval and offset in minutes, and the Tx&nbsp;ON time in seconds, and it will set the RTS and DTR lines of your specified COM port for the duration when the appropriate interval arrives.&nbsp; That&#39;s all, no CW messages, no bells, no&nbsp;whistles, no warranty! </div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>.. and its entirely up to you to somehow keep the PC clock accurate enough!</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The prog was thrown together in VB6 this afternoon&nbsp;and barely tested enough to ensure it did what it said on the tin.&nbsp;&nbsp; I can&#39;t guarantee it will function over midnight (at least not until tonight anyway :-) or how well it will work on any PC.&nbsp; It did run on two here though.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The full source code is supplied for anyone to look / inspect / / audit / verify / play with / hack about.&nbsp;&nbsp; Please don&#39;t ask for highly complicated additions, bells, sirens, soundcard functionality etc etc.&nbsp; And say thank you to my employer for the few hours spent &quot;self training in the art of programming&quot;</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Andy&nbsp; G4JNT</div>
<div><a href="http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt">www.scrbg.org/g4jnt</a></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><a href="http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/PCBCN.zip">www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/PCBCN.zip</a> </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/02/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">Graham</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk">g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi all,<br><br><br><br>This is something that may be of interest&nbsp;&nbsp;.. To a programmer or two or<br>three ? There exists collectively the expertise, but can anyone see a way of<br>
producing the system?<br><br><br><br>The idea&nbsp;&nbsp;came initially from the &#39;Beacon Bedlam&#39; , that existed south of<br>Watford gap .. about the only time the skip distance on 500 was &#39;useful&#39; in<br>that band conditions in the north west where quite quiet, later to&nbsp;&nbsp;prove a<br>
hindrance,<br><br><br><br>There already exists a similar system on 5 Mhz , however the transmission<br>sites are defined and&nbsp;&nbsp;participation is only possible by &#39;passive reception&#39;<br>not too appealing for &#39;experimentation&#39; This is a &#39;proposal&#39; the concept is<br>
proven , but &#39;we&#39; need the<br>services of a programmer or two !! Similar thing&#39;s exist but are coded to<br>use &#39;pics&#39; ,<br><br><br><br>One of the main criteria is , that &#39;anyone&#39; with a windows based pc should<br>
be able to download and install the tx/rx&nbsp;&nbsp;software and join in, be it as a<br>TX station, simply claim a &#39;time slot&#39; ,&nbsp;&nbsp;or a passive observer being<br>presented with all 5 slots as a amplitude/time plot.<br><br><br>
<br>One of the&nbsp;&nbsp;main attractions would be : TX stations will be able to&nbsp;&nbsp;observe<br>the other beacons in the chain , eliminating the lonely vigil of being in<br>perm ante<br><br>transmit mode, while providing , at a glance, band conditions&nbsp;&nbsp;for all<br>
involved as well as reducing tx duty cycle time !<br><br><br><br>The number of TX stations is proposed as 5 in the chain , more may be<br>possible , but the time control factor may prove too difficult to achieve<br>within windows , but cw type software in beacon mode would appear top&nbsp;&nbsp;make<br>
a reasonable job of time control ?<br><br>Click on <a href="http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project">http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project</a><br>- or copy &amp; paste it into your browser&#39;s address bar if that doesn&#39;t<br>
work.<br><br><br><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br>

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Laurence.
For info 9M2AX is calling cq on 1831 khz CW good signal, condx good, 500 mig=
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73 de Mal/G3KEV

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  Subject: LF: A dB or more or less



  I dunno, but a dB can make a lot of difference here -every dB is in my min=
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  =20
  Long haul to Eu is still rather odd with deep QSB but peaks are good - con=
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  =20
  Looking forward to seeing and hearing some signals in a few weeks and gett=
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  =20
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Has anyone looked to see if the Faros software by the same author can be 
adapted to automatically monitor LF beacons (hams, utility stations, NDBs)? 
Looks like a neat tool especially if you can load stations in place of the 
NCDXF HF beacons.

73 Warren K2ORS


----- Original Message ----- 
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> This software is reviewed in the March RadCom which posted to members
> today.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
> ==========
>
>> Not sure if this has been mentioned on this group but an interesting
>> piece of software by Alex, VE3NEA, called CW Skimmer has recently been
>> made available, see http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/
>>
>> Although the software costs $75 one can download a trial version (30
>> days). It's interesting to see that whilst away from the shack this
>> evening the program correctly identified G3KEV (501.9 at 19:35) and
>> also G0MRF (503.0 at 19:37).   The callsign picking routine must have
>> been designed for the HF bands, where the protocol is very mature, so
>> got a bit confused with the protocol used on 500kHz and eventually
>> decided that David callsign was IO91TK!
>>
>> It seems to need a reasonable S/N, but could be quite useful if one is
>> not able to personally monitor the band all of the time.  Have others
>> tried it?
>>
>> 73 John, G3WKL
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> 



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Mal...and other T/A enthusiasts

I'm interested in additional W / EU contacts on 500 kHz. To date the only 
station I've worked is Finbar ... albeit on three occassions. It would be 
helpful if those interested would run periods in beacon mode (normal cw 
speed) so that I can listen for your signals. If I can hear your station, 
you should be able to hear mine...with the higher ERP from this end. 
Setting up a sked for a particular night at a particular time is unlikely to 
produce a QSO - conditions vary widely from day to day, hour to hour and 
even minute to minute over this path.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Nice qso g3/vo.
> Joe if you would like to try a cw qso xband before the winter runs out, 
> let
> me know , others might want to participate also.
> 73 de Mal/G3KEV
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Dodd" <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
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> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:37 AM
> Subject: LF: TA on 500kHz
>
>
>> Hello LFers,
>> I had a xband QSO with Joe, VO1NA at around 2230UTC this evening. My
>> QRSS3 transmission was on 501.193kHz. I listened for Joe on 7000.5kHz.
>> My report was M and I had to repeat his report of 569.
>>
>> Regards
>> Peter, G3LDO
>>
>>
>>
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James,



That's a interesting, report on your 'actual' findings  , I run a inverted 
'L' here as well, but alas not the 40 meter top , a little more like 40 feet 
! , but the top is a two wire capacity section spaced some 4 feet apart (no 
reason, that's how long the two conduit off cuts where) . From what I could 
gather, I think I have managed round 75 mW with 25 watts feed to  the atu at 
the base of the ae , this is based on comparisons with other stations, range 
reports  and the erp calculators.



In a linear situation  I doubt I could reach the power level required to 
attain 1 watt erp with such a short system, without replicating a small 
marine installation and even then it would be non-linear. A UK warship would 
only run  200/300  watts on  MF !



 Optimised  modelling of the system always dictates a much larger capacity 
section. In this situation increased wattage to the antenna looks to  be the 
only way to  enhance the signal, but from experience I doubt it will defeat 
the skip distance



I'm quite amused  at concept of running wattage levels well in to three 
figures to what amounts to a self confessed  high gain system , 400 watts is 
a quoted as the carrier level feeding the local MW multi channel transmitter 
! , perhaps half a gallon (us)  is  stretching the  plunger  a tad more than 
really necessary ?



G ..





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> Dear Mal, Graham, LF Group,
>
> G3KEV wrote:
>> As a rough guide to get started, assume the average amateur antenna is 1%
>> efficient which is doubtful then you would need 100w fed to the antenna.
>> Since a more realistic efficiency figure might be 0.5% or less you would
>> need 200w.
>
> This is incorrect. The ERP could be calculated as:
>
> P(erp) = (TX power) x (Antenna efficiency) x (Antenna directivity)
>
> The directivity of a small vertical antenna over the dipole reference is a
> factor of 1.8 (2.6dB), so 100W into such an antenna with 1% efficiency 
> would
> give 1.8W ERP.
>
>>The average pa efficiency is about 50% therefore you would need
>> anything between 200 and 400watts dc input to get into the ball park and
>> generate 1w erp.
>
> For the class D or E PA stages many of us are using, 70% - 90% PA 
> efficiency
> would be more realistic.
>
>> A large 1/4 wave inv L antenna might only be 5%  efficient if you are
> lucky
>> at this freq, because the vertical part would normally only be a few
> metres
>> high with a very long horizontal part.
>> The antenna environment then needs consideration, buildings, trees,
> hedges,
>> other antenna wires in the vicinity.
>
> The field strength and impedance measurements I did on my own antenna at 
> my
> home QTH, basically an inverted L about 10m high and 40m long, gave an
> efficiency of about 0.6% at 500k, so I need around 90W TX to get 1W ERP.
> Increasing the height in the centre of the span to 14m roughly doubled the
> efficiency, which would reduce the power requirement to 45W. The
> environmental effects, giving rise to increased loss resistance and 
> reduced
> radiation resistance due to screening effects on the antenna by nearby
> objects, are quite large. The same 10m high antenna in an open field had
> about 3.6% efficiency, due to reduced environmental losses and screening, 
> so
> would only need 15W TX out for 1W ERP. The much bigger antennas at G3KEV
> should certainly have greater efficiency than my antennas, so would 
> probably
> only need a few watts from the transmitter to achieve 1W ERP - I guess the
> heaters of Mal's TT22s will be drawing more power than the anodes!
>
>>Your 1w erp might effectively be
>> reduced to  micro watts.
>> Check the near and far fields.
>
>> I recently removed a long wire rx antenna running near my 500 khz antenna
>> and gained 2 db.
>> The above info is a rough guide because every radio amateur installation
> is
>> different, the antenna efficiency is hard to determine, hence the erp.
>
> The antenna efficiency can't realistically be determined without field
> strength measurements - if these are not available, a better approach to
> estimating ERP is to calculate the radiation resistance of the antenna 
> from
> its dimensions (see formulas in RSGB handbook, LF today, ON7YD's antenna 
> web
> pages, etc.) Then the ERP can be estimated by measuring the antenna 
> current:
>
> P(erp) = 1.8 x Rrad x (Iant)^2
>
> This method inherently includes the effect of  loss resistance due to
> environmental effects, loading coil, etc. but does not include the 
> radiation
> resistance reduction due to the environment - but it is still a much 
> better
> estimate than trying to guess what the antenna efficiency will be.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
>
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Hi, LF

Thought I'd just have a look on 500 and I can currently (16:16 hrs 14/2)
hear G3UNT at about 20dB over my local noise floor, which at about 320km
away is pretty good for me in daylight on my 160m inverted L. I wonder what
ERP you are running, Brian?

Also heard G3KEV calling CQ a few minutes ago with a real S5.

73 de Mike G7AQA in Leeds.



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Hello all,

G0MRF 15 dB over the noise floor in JO11tm at 17:00 UTC.
Excellent aural copy.

Best regards,

Roelof

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Location: Middelburg, Zealand SW Netherlands, 51 30 02 N, 03 36 02 E
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Graham,

   Some amateur radio distributors here sell kevlar rope for guying HF 
vertical antennas.
Would be careful if you are planning a high power 136kHz antenna though - 
I've burned through practically everything including Teflon!

73 Warren K2ORS


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Just been digging about ,  kevlar is not carbon fiber based and is a 
> insulator .dh ..
>
> Got the two mixed up with looking into  a carbon fiber type fishing pole 
> which will conduct  !
>
> G ..
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Henny,

  Thank you for the capture!

73 Warren K2ORS WE2XEB/2


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Peter your QRSS ID is fully audible 559 on about 501.5. Nice steady
signal no QSB.

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Dear LF-MF enthusiasts!

I assume to make activity: 

- in evenings of Fri 29 Feb I'll give a beacon for the east from 15z up to 21z on 137,780 in QRRS60 

- on Mar, 1st I'll be ready for 2way 
also I plan to RX 500kHz, and is possible and xband QSOs 136/500 - probably in QRSS. how?

PSE give me present freqs of active stations on 500kHz

73! Ed RU6LA




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A problem with the scheme you suggest, Graham, is that PC clocks maintain
time badly, and will drift by several seconds overnight which makes a
mockery of the idea of precisely timed sequential listening.  They may be
able to acheive Internet synchronisation, but can this be set up to
automatically update at the rate you will need, ie. every hour or two based
on some of the clock drifts I have seen.

That is why the existing beacon chains, both 5MHz and the IBP set, use GPS
timing.  Passive receiving stations have their timekeeping reset by the
actual 5MHz transmissions themselves.  On your website, you do mention MSF
timing, but to do that in real time would consume another receiver /
soundcard channel.    GPS is the only obvious way to go for transmitting
stations.   PCs are not reknowned for their timekeeping abilities!

Otherwise, the software is straightforward, although rather a waste of a
PC.   If the GPS is available, then a =A31 PIC is all you need to control an=
d
key a standalone transmitter that doesn't need soundcard drive.

Andy  G4JNT
www.scrbg.org/g4jnt


On 10/02/2008, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> This is something that may be of interest  .. To a programmer or two or
> three ? There exists collectively the expertise, but can anyone see a way
> of
> producing the system?
>
>
> The idea  came initially from the 'Beacon Bedlam' , that existed south of
> Watford gap .. about the only time the skip distance on 500 was 'useful'
> in
> that band conditions in the north west where quite quiet, later to  prove
> a
> hindrance,
>
>
>
> There already exists a similar system on 5 Mhz , however the transmission
> sites are defined and  participation is only possible by 'passive
> reception'
> not too appealing for 'experimentation' This is a 'proposal' the concept
> is
> proven , but 'we' need the
> services of a programmer or two !! Similar thing's exist but are coded to
> use 'pics' ,
>
>
>
> One of the main criteria is , that 'anyone' with a windows based pc should
> be able to download and install the tx/rx  software and join in, be it as
> a
> TX station, simply claim a 'time slot' ,  or a passive observer being
> presented with all 5 slots as a amplitude/time plot.
>
>
>
> One of the  main attractions would be : TX stations will be able
> to  observe
> the other beacons in the chain , eliminating the lonely vigil of being in
> perm ante
>
> transmit mode, while providing , at a glance, band conditions  for all
> involved as well as reducing tx duty cycle time !
>
>
>
> The number of TX stations is proposed as 5 in the chain , more may be
> possible , but the time control factor may prove too difficult to achieve
> within windows , but cw type software in beacon mode would appear
> top  make
> a reasonable job of time control ?
>
> Click on
> http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project
> - or copy & paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't
> work.
>
>
>
>
>
>


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<div>A problem with the scheme you suggest, Graham, is that PC clocks mainta=
in time badly, and will drift by several seconds overnight&nbsp;which makes=20=
a mockery of the idea of precisely timed sequential listening.&nbsp; They ma=
y be able to acheive Internet synchronisation, but can this be set up to aut=
omatically update at the rate you will need, ie. every hour or two based on=20=
some of the clock drifts I have seen.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>That is why the existing beacon chains, both 5MHz and the IBP set, use=20=
GPS timing.&nbsp; Passive receiving stations have their timekeeping&nbsp;res=
et by the actual 5MHz transmissions themselves. &nbsp;On your website, you d=
o mention MSF timing, but to do that in real time would consume another rece=
iver / soundcard channel.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; GPS is the only obvious way to g=
o for transmitting stations.&nbsp;&nbsp; PCs are not reknowned for their tim=
ekeeping abilities!</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Otherwise, the software is straightforward,&nbsp;although rather a wast=
e of a PC.&nbsp;&nbsp; If the GPS is available, then a =A31 PIC is all you n=
eed to control and key a standalone&nbsp;transmitter that doesn&#39;t need s=
oundcard drive.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Andy&nbsp;&nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href=3D"http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt">www.scr=
bg.org/g4jnt</a> </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 10/02/2008, <b class=3D"gmail_sendername=
">Graham</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk">g8fzk@g8fzk.fsne=
t.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi all,<br><br><br><br>This is som=
ething that may be of interest&nbsp;&nbsp;.. To a programmer or two or<br>th=
ree ? There exists collectively the expertise, but can anyone see a way of<b=
r>
producing the system?<br><br><br>The idea&nbsp;&nbsp;came initially from the=
 &#39;Beacon Bedlam&#39; , that existed south of<br>Watford gap .. about the=
 only time the skip distance on 500 was &#39;useful&#39; in<br>that band con=
ditions in the north west where quite quiet, later to&nbsp;&nbsp;prove a<br>
hindrance,<br><br><br><br>There already exists a similar system on 5 Mhz , h=
owever the transmission<br>sites are defined and&nbsp;&nbsp;participation is=
 only possible by &#39;passive reception&#39;<br>not too appealing for &#39;=
experimentation&#39; This is a &#39;proposal&#39; the concept is<br>
proven , but &#39;we&#39; need the<br>services of a programmer or two !! Sim=
ilar thing&#39;s exist but are coded to<br>use &#39;pics&#39; ,<br><br><br><=
br>One of the main criteria is , that &#39;anyone&#39; with a windows based=20=
pc should<br>
be able to download and install the tx/rx&nbsp;&nbsp;software and join in, b=
e it as a<br>TX station, simply claim a &#39;time slot&#39; ,&nbsp;&nbsp;or=20=
a passive observer being<br>presented with all 5 slots as a amplitude/time p=
lot.<br><br><br>
<br>One of the&nbsp;&nbsp;main attractions would be : TX stations will be ab=
le to&nbsp;&nbsp;observe<br>the other beacons in the chain , eliminating the=
 lonely vigil of being in<br>perm ante<br><br>transmit mode, while providing=
 , at a glance, band conditions&nbsp;&nbsp;for all<br>
involved as well as reducing tx duty cycle time !<br><br><br><br>The number=20=
of TX stations is proposed as 5 in the chain , more may be<br>possible , but=
 the time control factor may prove too difficult to achieve<br>within window=
s , but cw type software in beacon mode would appear top&nbsp;&nbsp;make<br>
a reasonable job of time control ?<br><br>Click on <a href=3D"http://groups.=
google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project">http://groups.google.c=
om/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project</a><br>- or copy &amp; paste it=
 into your browser&#39;s address bar if that doesn&#39;t<br>
work.<br><br><br><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><br>--=
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On Wed, Feb 13, 2008 at 04:55:58PM +0000, Steve Dove wrote:
> Something like this has already been done, about 20 or so 
> years ago.  The creator's call escapes me for now, but he's 
> a well-known West Coast contester:

K6STI experimented with automated contesting back then, so did S56A.

There is currently a heated discussion going on the
cq-contest@contesting.com mailing list about CW Skimmer, its possible
impact on contesting, etc. A review of the program can be found on
N4ZR's website (not sure if it has been posted here before,
http://www.pvrc.org/~n4zr/Articles/Skimmer.pdf).

Digimode programs with multiple decoders have been around for some years
already, it was just a question of time before this would appear for CW.

73,
-- 
Fabian Kurz, DJ1YFK * Dresden, Germany * http://fkurz.net/


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Hi Rik
Just to let you know I heard your CQ calls 559 between 2140 and 2210 on
503. Pity nobody else was listening. I did reply to you but my poor set
up did not get through to you. Also answered your QRSS at 2220z which
was also 559 but equally no joy. I am working on improving my Tx set up
so I do look forward to success in contacting you the future.
Best regards
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I shall be beaconing again overnight. Last night's conditions looked 
better, according to W3EEE's graph. 136.3185k, QRSS60.

DJ8WX is also active on 136.319kHz.

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Hello Wolf and Louis,

Many thanks to both for XB qso's  Solid both ways.  Here using mobile whip
for 3575khz on car parked near shack.
Listened on 501/504khz afterwards--no signals heard apart from GI4DPE
beacon.

73 to both

Mike GW4HXO.
___________________________________________________________________________

Subject: LF: GW4HXO (update)

.. just working PA0LCE xband 501.5 kHz / 3.575 kHz, and -shortly before- 
a certain DL-station with a crippled attic dipole and only 20 watts on 
80 meters ;-)

Two "firsts" on one evening: GW/PA MF/HF , and GW/DL MF/HF , congrats 
Mike - and many thanks for the activity.

73,
  Wolf DL4YHF .


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just back in shack, rig is on, will listen...

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>> I am calling on 502.250 approx, listening also 3575 KHz, anyone on?
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Gary
Call me on cw and we can exchange reports with our 1w rigs.
mal/g3kev

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> Hello LF,
>
> Initial testing on 503.600 KHz 1 watt ERP.
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599 here in VK2=20


Nic McLean

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Hello LFers,

I'm having troubles posting to the Lowfer reflector and hence I'm trying
a test post here to see if this works.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
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Dear LF Group,

The M0BMU WOLF 20 beacon is now running again (from 2225utc) on 503.800kHz -
any reports will be welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Thanks for creating a short URL - I was busy just after I sent the e-mail
and thus didn't see that the URL had become wrapped.

73 John, G3WKL




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Thank you for that Jay,

The idea is to  have a system thats quite relaxed , with wide guard bands to=
=20
allow for
system 'cycle time' and clock errors , so anone can join in with a pc ,=20
sync'd to  the
internet or a time signal

G..




----- Original Message -----=20
From: <jrusgrove@comcast.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 11:13 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Windows Beacon TX/RX Software .. can anyone code such a=20
thing ?


> Been using Dimension4 for several years now on a number of different=20
> computers. You can pick any time server and choose the synchronization=20
> down to seconds - if necessary. Not sure if this is accurate enough for=20
> your work but it might be worth a look.
>
> http://www.thinkman.com/dimension4/index.htm
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
> From: Andy Talbot
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 3:07 AM
> Subject: Re: LF: Windows Beacon TX/RX Software .. can anyone code such a=20
> thing ?
>
>
> A problem with the scheme you suggest, Graham, is that PC clocks maintain=20
> time badly, and will drift by several seconds overnight which makes a=20
> mockery of the idea of precisely timed sequential listening.  They may be=20
> able to acheive Internet synchronisation, but can this be set up to=20
> automatically update at the rate you will need, ie. every hour or two=20
> based on some of the clock drifts I have seen.
>
> That is why the existing beacon chains, both 5MHz and the IBP set, use GPS=
=20
> timing.  Passive receiving stations have their timekeeping reset by the=20
> actual 5MHz transmissions themselves.  On your website, you do mention MSF=
=20
> timing, but to do that in real time would consume another receiver /=20
> soundcard channel.    GPS is the only obvious way to go for transmitting=20
> stations.   PCs are not reknowned for their timekeeping abilities!
>
> Otherwise, the software is straightforward, although rather a waste of a=20
> PC. If the GPS is available, then a =A31 PIC is all you need to control an=
d=20
> key a standalone transmitter that doesn't need soundcard drive.
>
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.scrbg.org/g4jnt
>
>
> On 10/02/2008, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> This is something that may be of interest  .. To a programmer or two or
> three ? There exists collectively the expertise, but can anyone see a way=20
> of
> producing the system?
>
>
> The idea  came initially from the 'Beacon Bedlam' , that existed south of
> Watford gap .. about the only time the skip distance on 500 was 'useful'=20
> in
> that band conditions in the north west where quite quiet, later to  prove=20
> a
> hindrance,
>
>
>
> There already exists a similar system on 5 Mhz , however the transmission
> sites are defined and  participation is only possible by 'passive=20
> reception'
> not too appealing for 'experimentation' This is a 'proposal' the concept=20
> is
> proven , but 'we' need the
> services of a programmer or two !! Similar thing's exist but are coded to
> use 'pics' ,
>
>
>
> One of the main criteria is , that 'anyone' with a windows based pc should
> be able to download and install the tx/rx  software and join in, be it as=20
> a
> TX station, simply claim a 'time slot' ,  or a passive observer being
> presented with all 5 slots as a amplitude/time plot.
>
>
>
> One of the  main attractions would be : TX stations will be able to=20
> observe
> the other beacons in the chain , eliminating the lonely vigil of being in
> perm ante
>
> transmit mode, while providing , at a glance, band conditions  for all
> involved as well as reducing tx duty cycle time !
>
>
>
> The number of TX stations is proposed as 5 in the chain , more may be
> possible , but the time control factor may prove too difficult to achieve
> within windows , but cw type software in beacon mode would appear top=20
> make
> a reasonable job of time control ?
>
> Click on=20
> http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project
> - or copy & paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't
> work.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --=20
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>
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Dear jean-Pierre,

    I am very sorry for the QRM that is making you stop the grabber!
Last night XES and XGJ were visible on the grabber even with the QRM.
I hope you reconsider your decision!

73 Warren K2ORS


----- Original Message ----- 
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To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 6:11 PM
Subject: LF: T/A [137] QRM on 137 kHz


> Good evening my friends of the LF,
>
> I will have to stop my activity LF, I have between 20 and 30 dB
> of noise moreover! (this noise is of human origin) and I can nothing
> make there ! Tomorrow I will stop the grabber, and I will go towards
> other less polluted activities.
> Afflicted to leave world LF, but I am constrained there.
>
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre F1AFJ
>
>
>
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Hi Dave, LFgroup
Thanks for the report. Tonight have heard GI4DPE, GI3PDN, GW4HXO, and had a=20=
QSO with G3LDO, probably my ODX 2-way on MF.  G0MRF is again quite strong, w=
ell over 20db above noise on the main antenna.
Wolf DL4YHF reported hearing me weakly when I was in qso with Peter LDO toni=
ght
WX forecast is suggesting that the antenna will have to be lowered by the en=
d of tomorrow, it is not capable of withstanding even moderate winds at the=20=
moment.
regards
Mark GM4ISM



  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Dave G3WCB=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:14 PM
  Subject: LF: [500] QRV - GM4ISM


  Hi, Mark.

  I haven't been listening this evening, but I heard you on Sunday at around=
 20:50 utc calling GW4HXO. You were peaking RST 559 with the usual QSB.

  73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor SE England
    -----Original Message-----
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cksheep.org]On Behalf Of Mark
    Sent: 18 February 2008 23:14
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    Subject: LF: QRV


    I am calling on 502.250 approx, listening also 3575 KHz, anyone on?
    MRF beacon is strong tonight on main antenna, visible on ferrite rod occ=
asionall, as is di2ag
    rgds=20
    Mark GM4ISM IO85AR


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Dave, LFgroup</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks for the report. Tonight have heard G=
I4DPE,=20
GI3PDN, GW4HXO, and had a QSO with G3LDO, probably my&nbsp;ODX 2-way on=20
MF.&nbsp; G0MRF is again quite strong, well over 20db above noise on the mai=
n=20
antenna.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wolf DL4YHF reported hearing me weakly when=
 I was=20
in qso with Peter LDO tonight</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>WX forecast is suggesting that the antenna=20=
will=20
have to be lowered by the end of tomorrow, it is not capable of withstanding=
=20
even moderate winds at the moment.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark GM4ISM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dganymede444@btopenworld.com     href=3D"mailto:ganymede444@btop=
enworld.com">Dave G3WCB</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11=
:14=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: [500] QRV - GM4ISM</DI=
V>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D648430523-19022008><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff s=
ize=3D2>Hi,=20
  Mark.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D648430523-19022008><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =20=
   size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D648430523-19022008><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff s=
ize=3D2>I=20
  haven't been listening this evening, but I heard you on Sunday at around 2=
0:50=20
  utc calling GW4HXO. You were peaking RST 559 with the usual=20
  QSB.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D648430523-19022008><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =20=
   size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D648430523-19022008><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff s=
ize=3D2>73,=20
  Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor SE England</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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    <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTa=
homa       size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A       href=
=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blackshee=
p.org</A>=20
    [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of=20
    </B>Mark<BR><B>Sent:</B> 18 February 2008 23:14<BR><B>To:</B>=20
    rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: QRV<BR><BR></FONT></=
DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am calling on 502.250 approx, listeni=
ng also=20
    3575 KHz, anyone on?</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>MRF beacon is strong tonight on main an=
tenna,=20
    visible on ferrite rod occasionall, as is di2ag</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>rgds </FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mark GM4ISM IO85AR</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQ=
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Hi Jean-Pierre and Wolf,

I can understand how the QRM makes it seem futile to receive the very
weak signals, but we have made much progress despite the challenges.
The transmitter will remain in operation if you desire and will be moved
to a frequency of your preference if you can find one with lower noise in
the 160-190 kHz range.  When the experiment with the Poldhu club
is finished, we can then try QRSS120 if you are interested.

73 and thank-you for the many reports!

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Hello Finbar and ALL!
Thanks for your beaconing last night. I have been testing a new
configuration for my SpecLab and your CW beacon signal has been very
useful. I am looking for the best configuration for clasic CW. There is
a lot of NDB signals around, but there are quite strong. Your signal has
been 339 in the peak, with QSB, so fine for my tests. Have a look on a
snapshot, it is a results of my experiments. I hope, I will continue
following night, if conditions will be good, of course.
 
GL and 73  
 
Lubos, OK2BVG

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.0pt;  font-family:Arial'>Hello Finbar and ALL!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
.0pt;  font-family:Arial'>Thanks for your beaconing last night. I have been=20=
testing a
new configuration for my SpecLab and your CW beacon signal has been very
useful. I am looking for the best configuration for clasic CW. There is a lo=
t
of NDB signals around, but there are quite strong. Your signal has been 339=20=
in
the peak, with QSB, so fine for my tests. Have a look on a snapshot, it is a
results of my experiments. I hope, I will continue following night, if
conditions will be good, of course.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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.0pt;  font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10=
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Hi John,
 
Yes I did varnish them because that was what the rather ancient "Boy's  Book 
Of something or other....." instructed ! A lot of experiments seemed to  
involve shellac which, at that age, I thought had some special electrical  
properties I did learn later that it was probably a waste of time because I  then 
discovered a wonderful little firm called REPANCO who could sell me some  
beautifully wound coils that used something called "Litz" wire and put most  of my 
efforts to wind the "ultimate crystal set coil" to shame! 
 My first "amplifier" was constructed by replacing the steel diaphragm  of a 
headphone earpiece with a "Golden Syrup" can (empty of course). I later  
discovered that such an arrangement could also produce a very selective CW  filter 
- style and size of can being carefully selected. Pity beer cans are made  
from aluminium and have concave bottoms! Rather limits their contribution  to 
"home brew" :))
Happy days  

73 de Pat  G4GVW es gd dx
Qth near Felixstowe,  UK





   

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This software is reviewed in the March RadCom which posted to members
today.

Mike, G3XDV
==========

> Not sure if this has been mentioned on this group but an interesting
> piece of software by Alex, VE3NEA, called CW Skimmer has recently been
> made available, see http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/
> 
> Although the software costs $75 one can download a trial version (30
> days). It's interesting to see that whilst away from the shack this
> evening the program correctly identified G3KEV (501.9 at 19:35) and
> also G0MRF (503.0 at 19:37).   The callsign picking routine must have
> been designed for the HF bands, where the protocol is very mature, so
> got a bit confused with the protocol used on 500kHz and eventually
> decided that David callsign was IO91TK! 
> 
> It seems to need a reasonable S/N, but could be quite useful if one is
> not able to personally monitor the band all of the time.  Have others
> tried it?
> 
> 73 John, G3WKL
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 





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Ok Andy ,

=20

Thank's for your comment's, The 'idea' is based on what you could call 'oper=
ating experience' over the last year on 500. The main concept being , 'Anyon=
e with a PC and a sound card' could join in , hence the request for a 'pc' b=
ased system.=20

=20

The clock issues, well that's a area that I do not  have  practical experien=
ce of , It would appear events can be reasonably controlled , this would dic=
tate the number of tx stations and number of multiplex  measuring pulses , Q=
uite wide guard bands may be required?

=20

On the 5 mhz system , well yes that's a different ball game as out friends w=
ould say , this system is aimed at the  'Garden shed gang' , open to  all an=
d if anyone wants to  'have a go' so much the better=20

=20

The -PIC-  yes ..  Mm .. Well . fair comment J

=20

Tnx - G ..=20

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Andy Talbot=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 8:07 AM
  Subject: Re: LF: Windows Beacon TX/RX Software .. can anyone code such a t=
hing ?


  A problem with the scheme you suggest, Graham, is that PC clocks maintain=20=
time badly, and will drift by several seconds overnight which makes a mocker=
y of the idea of precisely timed sequential listening.  They may be able to=20=
acheive Internet synchronisation, but can this be set up to automatically up=
date at the rate you will need, ie. every hour or two based on some of the c=
lock drifts I have seen.

  That is why the existing beacon chains, both 5MHz and the IBP set, use GPS=
 timing.  Passive receiving stations have their timekeeping reset by the act=
ual 5MHz transmissions themselves.  On your website, you do mention MSF timi=
ng, but to do that in real time would consume another receiver / soundcard c=
hannel.    GPS is the only obvious way to go for transmitting stations.   PC=
s are not reknowned for their timekeeping abilities!

  Otherwise, the software is straightforward, although rather a waste of a P=
C.   If the GPS is available, then a =A31 PIC is all you need to control and=
 key a standalone transmitter that doesn't need soundcard drive.

  Andy  G4JNT
  www.scrbg.org/g4jnt=20


  On 10/02/2008, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:=20
    Hi all,



    This is something that may be of interest  .. To a programmer or two or
    three ? There exists collectively the expertise, but can anyone see a wa=
y of
    producing the system?


    The idea  came initially from the 'Beacon Bedlam' , that existed south o=
f
    Watford gap .. about the only time the skip distance on 500 was 'useful'=
 in
    that band conditions in the north west where quite quiet, later to  prov=
e a
    hindrance,



    There already exists a similar system on 5 Mhz , however the transmissio=
n
    sites are defined and  participation is only possible by 'passive recept=
ion'
    not too appealing for 'experimentation' This is a 'proposal' the concept=
 is
    proven , but 'we' need the
    services of a programmer or two !! Similar thing's exist but are coded t=
o
    use 'pics' ,



    One of the main criteria is , that 'anyone' with a windows based pc shou=
ld
    be able to download and install the tx/rx  software and join in, be it a=
s a
    TX station, simply claim a 'time slot' ,  or a passive observer being
    presented with all 5 slots as a amplitude/time plot.



    One of the  main attractions would be : TX stations will be able to  obs=
erve
    the other beacons in the chain , eliminating the lonely vigil of being i=
n
    perm ante

    transmit mode, while providing , at a glance, band conditions  for all
    involved as well as reducing tx duty cycle time !



    The number of TX stations is proposed as 5 in the chain , more may be
    possible , but the time control factor may prove too difficult to achiev=
e
    within windows , but cw type software in beacon mode would appear top  m=
ake
    a reasonable job of time control ?

    Click on http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-proj=
ect
    - or copy & paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't
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"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dandy.g4jnt@googlemail.com     href=3D"mailto:andy.g4jnt@googlem=
ail.com">Andy Talbot</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org     href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, February 11, 2008 8:0=
7=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Windows Beacon TX/=
RX=20
  Software .. can anyone code such a thing ?</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>A problem with the scheme you suggest, Graham, is that PC clocks main=
tain=20
  time badly, and will drift by several seconds overnight&nbsp;which makes a=
=20
  mockery of the idea of precisely timed sequential listening.&nbsp; They ma=
y be=20
  able to acheive Internet synchronisation, but can this be set up to=20
  automatically update at the rate you will need, ie. every hour or two base=
d on=20
  some of the clock drifts I have seen.</DIV>
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  <DIV>That is why the existing beacon chains, both 5MHz and the IBP set, us=
e=20
  GPS timing.&nbsp; Passive receiving stations have their timekeeping&nbsp;r=
eset=20
  by the actual 5MHz transmissions themselves. &nbsp;On your website, you do=
=20
  mention MSF timing, but to do that in real time would consume another rece=
iver=20
  / soundcard channel.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; GPS is the only obvious way to go f=
or=20
  transmitting stations.&nbsp;&nbsp; PCs are not reknowned for their timekee=
ping=20
  abilities!</DIV>
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  <DIV>Otherwise, the software is straightforward,&nbsp;although rather a wa=
ste=20
  of a PC.&nbsp;&nbsp; If the GPS is available, then a =A31 PIC is all you n=
eed to=20
  control and key a standalone&nbsp;transmitter that doesn't need soundcard=20
  drive.</DIV>
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  <DIV>Andy&nbsp;&nbsp;G4JNT<BR><A     href=3D"http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt">w=
ww.scrbg.org/g4jnt</A> </DIV>
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3Dgmail_quote>On 10/02/2008, <B     class=3Dgmail_sendern=
ame>Graham</B> &lt;<A     href=3D"mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk">g8fzk@g8fz=
k.fsnet.co.uk</A>&gt;=20
  wrote:</SPAN>=20
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x 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi=20
    all,<BR><BR><BR><BR>This is something that may be of interest&nbsp;&nbsp=
;..=20
    To a programmer or two or<BR>three ? There exists collectively the=20
    expertise, but can anyone see a way of<BR>producing the=20
    system?<BR><BR><BR>The idea&nbsp;&nbsp;came initially from the 'Beacon=20
    Bedlam' , that existed south of<BR>Watford gap .. about the only time th=
e=20
    skip distance on 500 was 'useful' in<BR>that band conditions in the nort=
h=20
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    a<BR>hindrance,<BR><BR><BR><BR>There already exists a similar system on=20=
5=20
    Mhz , however the transmission<BR>sites are defined=20
    and&nbsp;&nbsp;participation is only possible by 'passive reception'<BR>=
not=20
    too appealing for 'experimentation' This is a 'proposal' the concept=20
    is<BR>proven , but 'we' need the<BR>services of a programmer or two !!=20
    Similar thing's exist but are coded to<BR>use 'pics' ,<BR><BR><BR><BR>On=
e of=20
    the main criteria is , that 'anyone' with a windows based pc should<BR>b=
e=20
    able to download and install the tx/rx&nbsp;&nbsp;software and join in,=20=
be=20
    it as a<BR>TX station, simply claim a 'time slot' ,&nbsp;&nbsp;or a pass=
ive=20
    observer being<BR>presented with all 5 slots as a amplitude/time=20
    plot.<BR><BR><BR><BR>One of the&nbsp;&nbsp;main attractions would be : T=
X=20
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    chain , eliminating the lonely vigil of being in<BR>perm=20
    ante<BR><BR>transmit mode, while providing , at a glance, band=20
    conditions&nbsp;&nbsp;for all<BR>involved as well as reducing tx duty cy=
cle=20
    time !<BR><BR><BR><BR>The number of TX stations is proposed as 5 in the=20
    chain , more may be<BR>possible , but the time control factor may prove=20=
too=20
    difficult to achieve<BR>within windows , but cw type software in beacon=20=
mode=20
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    ?<BR><BR>Click on <A       href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/uk500k=
hz/web/the-big-beacon-project">http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/t=
he-big-beacon-project</A><BR>-=20
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Yup,

Got mine today also. 0dBW. Need to finish digging the cooling pond for the P=
A this week-end.

BTW, has anyone got any idea of the number of NOVs issued? - the last 4 digi=
ts of mine are 7930..

73,Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 14 February 2008 17:48
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: [500] NOV Renewal


Hi Brian & LF,

My NoV renewal also arrived this morning.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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      Hi All -



      Nov renewal arrived this morning - 0dBW erp "immediate effect"



      Brian (G3YKB)



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Hi John,

Something like this has already been done, about 20 or so 
years ago.  The creator's call escapes me for now, but he's 
a well-known West Coast contester:

It was a Z-80 (I think) based micro which nudged transceiver 
tuning, decoded CW, looked for 'CQs', parsed callsigns and 
such, then called, waited for a report, then sent a reply 
report.  Admittedly it was 'tuned' for the format of the 
domestic ARRL CW 'Sweepstakes' contest, rather than general 
random QSOs, but he let the thing loose over the 48-hour 
event, and it apparently didn't place too badly in the 
results . . .

Yes, it (and any newer implementation) depends on most CW 
being machine generated (or at least tidied up with a keyer) 
and a formulaic QSO environment, but isn't that pretty much 
what prevails anyway?

The 'Turing Test' stuff is Plan B.

         Cheers,

                 Steve


John RABSON wrote:
> This gives me an idea.  
> If you combine this program with something to choose which station you wish to work, then link this into your transmitter and leave the whole thing running overnight, you can come back in the morning and see what DX you have worked.  Signal reports would be no problem as everybody seems to give a report of 599 anyway.
> I would have liked this as a final year artificial intelligence student project, but that was long ago.
> 
> John, F5VLF



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Please ignore, just a test.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mal" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
To: "rsgb" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2008 5:54 PM
Subject: LF: LF RX


>
> All that is required on LF/MF is a xtal set and a good pair of EARS, which
> have good selectivity anything else is a bonus.
> If you live in a noisy Urban environment all the latest contraptions will
> not help, the solution is to move away into a rural area, problem normally
> solved.
> Appliance operatated devices are no substitute for the real thing ie GOOD
> EARS and a good CW fist.
> de Mal/G3KEV
>
> 




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Jean-Pierre,

   Excellent signals on the 'grabber' at 01:20 UTC, like old times!

73 Warren K2ORS

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Good evening my friends of the LF,
>
> I will have to stop my activity LF, I have between 20 and 30 dB
> of noise moreover! (this noise is of human origin) and I can nothing
> make there ! Tomorrow I will stop the grabber, and I will go towards
> other less polluted activities.
> Afflicted to leave world LF, but I am constrained there.
>
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre F1AFJ
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Hello Joe & Warren ,
Last night
On 184 kHz   :
Traces of WD2XEB/2 , nil for VO1NA

The captures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp

73 J-P f1afj




















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Johan H. Bodin wrote:

> This sampling rate is re-sampled to a "standard" rate by
> Windows when listening through the soundcard, and by the VAC software
> (Virtual Audio Cable) when routing the signal to other programs such as
> Wolf. Unfortunately, the VAC software seems to use a quite sloppy
> algorithm for resampling, probably to reduce the CPU load. At some
> output sampling rates, there are distorsion products that look like some
> kind of "in-band aliasing" and these are not more than 40dB down or so
> :-( Maybe this percent of THD goes unnoticed by "normal" VAC users who
> listen to mainsream music (which is usually 100% distorsion anyway ;-) )

  Yes, I can confirm that VAC has a very bad resampler. You can hear the artifacts easily, even on voice recordings. A 
good suggestion for Nico would be to implement the resampler inside the Perseus software...

73  Alberto  I2PHD



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Hello Laurie,

what version of QRS are you using (and what version of windows)?
 From your description of the problem it might be caused by:

- using a Win3 version of QRS with WinXp or Vista
- another program grabbing hold of the serial port(s) before QRS does
- defective serial port

73, Rik  ON7YD

Quoting lawrence mayhead <laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com>:

> Does anyone have experience of using a computer without RS232 for QRS.
> I have tried to get an output from the 9 pin serial ports on my computer, it
> appears that the -12 volts  on  the appropriate pin (pin 4 for Key ) drops
> only
> momentarily. If this is correct I will need a latch to hold the command
> until
> released. Is this the general experience or am I doing something wrong
> (again ! )
> Thanks 73 Laurie.
>



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Dear LF Group,

The WOLF 20 beacon is running again (from 2310utc) on 503.800kHz with 100mW
ERP. Any reports would be very welcome.

Thanks for all the reports and suggestions re the WOLF transmissions. At the
moment, I am in the middle of rearranging the shack here - when I get things
sorted out a bit more, I will try some tests with a different mode, perhaps
JT2. When my new 500kHz NoV turns up, I will try some further WOLF tests
with higher power levels.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Hello Jean-Pierre,

Have you considered using a phasing system?
I have had excellent results with a system using an active loop and an 
active (mini-)whip to get rid of thunderstorm QRN from the Mediterranean.

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Hi Mark,

Nothing heard from you yet, called a few times on 3575 (heard G3LDO 569 
on 502.25 kHz but apparently no crossband there).

But I was very pleased when Valerio IK5ZPV called me on 3575 kHz; been a 
long time I last met him on 136 kHz.

Will keep listening on both bands. Hrd tonight (with very good signals) 
GI4DPE, GW4HXO, G3AQC, G3ZWH, all 502 +/- .

73,
  Wolf DL4YHF .

Mark schrieb:
> just back in shack, rig is on, will listen...



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Ok Warren, when you are ready to emit on 184 Khz known as us one listens=20
to you .

73 qro Jean-Pierre F1AFJ

K2ORS a =E9crit :
> Jean-Pierre and Joe,
>
>        I am still tuned to 137kHz, I will retune the antenna later=20
> this week, but not today or tomorrow due to storms.
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9"=20
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> Hi Joe and Warren
>
> I will record the next night the 184 Khz PLEASE Warren to make
> me carrying so that I locate the exact level of my reception. If
> I think that I can receive Joe, I will make recordings of VO1NA
> again . The moment that EUROPE I is in maintenance is :
> 00:00 > 02:30 utc  .
>
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
> jcraig@mun.ca a =E9crit :
>> Hello Henny,
>>
>> It may have been Warren.  It was too strong to be me!
>>
>> 73
>> Joe VO1NA
>

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Hello  all on LF ,

I will carry out tests with the grabber a few weeks, I modified
the configuration by adding a window which is without AGC thus
rough reception without treatment, to visualize the noise level of
the moment.

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

grabber at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm

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Hello Jean-Pierre,

Sorry to hear about your QRM problem, but please do not let such events 
discourage you.
I have been living with such a condition on LF for some time, and tried 
a few things to get rid of most of the QRM over the years.
Of course, it is not sure if this applies to your situation (you will 
know much better than me).
Here, it helped a lot to isolate the "antenna ground" (or the outer 
conductor of the coax running to the antenna) from the mains ground, 
because the AC mains ground often carries a lot of annoying QRM.
And, sometimes loops gave more QRM than E-field probes, but usually vice 
versa.

So please don't surrender to the QRM on LF yet...
 73,  Wolf  DL4YHF .


Jean-Pierre Méré schrieb:
>  Hello Joe,
> I am sad to be obliged to stop any activity LF , I cannot receive
> the weak signals more because I am QRM 20/30dB of more than
> noise since more than one week . We made beautiful things on 184
> Khz thank you for these good moments . I will leave the world of
> the LF to make another thing in part of the spectrum less polluted .
> I will keep an eye on list RSGB to have news of the friends !
> 73 J-P f1afj
>
>



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Victor,

    Thank you for the great capture!

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ


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> Captured 4:30z  137775+ Hz
> 
> 73
> Victor
> PA3FNY


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Mal,

I won't be home during daylight ... family visit.
Maybe next weekend.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting mal <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>:

> Hi Rik
> Pse try tomorrow morning for a qso during daylight. I will listen for you=20=
on
> your freq 503 khz
> 73 Mal/G3KEV
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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>> Dear all,
>>
>> propagation on 500 seenms to be good tonight.
>> Just worked GI4DPE (559) and G3KEV (599). In particular Mal's signal
>> was booming, when he tuned in I thought it was Gus calling ...
>>
>> I will listen on 501-504 until 22UTC and call CQ once in a while on 503.1
>>
>> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
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Greeting all,

Good activity on MF this evening :

wkd (xband 80m) : G3XIZ (rcvg on 3576 kHz), GI4DPE (tnx Finbar, 529 here 
at times, rx on 3551 kHz)

hrd calling CQ:  G3KEV cq on 502.6 kHz, rx on 3533 kHz . Up to 559 at 
times, then down to 429 .

For LF, saw this in the cluster:

DX de OH1TN:       136.8  OH0RJ        Beacon                         1814Z

DX de RA3YO:       137.0  EW6GB        cq qrss3 137710                1819Z


73,  Wolf  DL4YHF JO42FD

(still trying to optimize reception at home; thanks for all those test 
signals ! )


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So does an MRF150. And that only needs 50V
Andy  G4JNT
www.scrbg.org/g4jnt



On 01/02/2008, Ken Wright <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Mal.
> Do you have the data for a TT22?, they have an input of 1.9W for 102W rf
> output but I don't fancy the 1250V anode voltage.
>
> 73
> Ken  M0KHW   IO91TV
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of mal
> Sent: 01 February 2008 15:08
> To: rsgb
> Subject: LF: Lf project
>
> Does  anyone have a spare pair of TT22 tubes. They were popular in old
> LF/MF
> marine equip.
> 73 de Mal/G3KEV
>
>
>


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<div>So does an MRF150. And that only needs&nbsp;50V </div>
<div>Andy&nbsp; G4JNT</div>
<div><a href="http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt">www.scrbg.org/g4jnt</a></div>
<div><br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 01/02/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">Ken Wright</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:ken.h.wright@btinternet.com">ken.h.wright@btinternet.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hi Mal.<br>Do you have the data for a TT22?, they have an input of 1.9W for 102W rf<br>output but I don&#39;t fancy the 1250V anode voltage.<br>
<br>73<br>Ken&nbsp;&nbsp;M0KHW&nbsp;&nbsp; IO91TV<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>] On Behalf Of mal<br>
Sent: 01 February 2008 15:08<br>To: rsgb<br>Subject: LF: Lf project<br><br>Does&nbsp;&nbsp;anyone have a spare pair of TT22 tubes. They were popular in old LF/MF<br>marine equip.<br>73 de Mal/G3KEV<br><br><br></blockquote></div><br>
<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Andy&nbsp;&nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href="http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt">www.scrbg.org/g4jnt</a> 

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Hi Peter.
How many watts is the PL519 running?, I have some 807s I was thinking of
using, but they like 750 volts on the anode.

Regards.

Ken M0KHW

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Subject: LF: G3LDO 500kHz rig

Hello LFers,

This is a short description of my 500kHz transmitter and antenna.
The driver comprises a DDS3 Hands direct digital synthesiser, which came 
in the form of a kit. I bought this some time ago as a driver for 73 and 
136kHz and has now been reprogrammed for the 500kHz band.
The transmitter uses a PL519 TV sweep tube (valve) with 380v on the 
plate (anode). This is driven by a metal 1632, which is a 12v  heater 
version of a 6L6. The design of the transmitter is derived from my junk 
box and provided me with some nostalgic pleasure.
The antenna comprises a HF quad. The quad and its feeder is used as a 
short vertical with a capacity hat and is resonated with a variometer 
and matched with a ferrite multi tapped transformer located in the 
garden shed at the bottom of the garden.
The antenna has a calculated gain of around -20dBi.

The DDS3 is programmed using DOS via the printer port. In the meantime 
all my computers have moved on and the only DOS computer I have left is 
an AcerNote 760iC laptop, which I still use for QRSS keying. 
Unfortunately it doesn't seem to want to talk the DDS3 via the printer 
port. Did some old laptops use different pinouts compared with standard 
printer ports?

regards

Peter G3LDO



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Jean-Pierre,

   Thank you for running the 137 kHz grabber!
Tonight I am on 184.005 but tomorrow back on 137.7798 kHz

73 Warren K2ORS etc.


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> Hello on LF ,
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> Grabber is again operational (137773>137782 and 136315>136322) There are 
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> The captures of night are with this URL :
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I was waiting for that question!  I guess so and I feel that this is what we
should do.  Ofcom have been very good at taking our request on board and
negotiating it with MCA.  Thus, I wouldn't  want to bother Ofcom with the
question
 
 
73 John, G3WKL

Am I correct in assuming that the power increase is immediate and not from
Feb 29th ??
 
David   G0MRF
 


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I shal be running a beacon tonight from 1800 to 0900 using QRSS60, 
transmitting 'XDV' starting at each hour.

Reports are welcome.

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Hello Alberto,

Your program Spectran is in wide use amongst NDB chasers.
Someone had the following question:

>>
Does the quality of the sound card influence the decoding or displaying=20
of signals received or it this all done in the Spectran software? Some=20
sound cards are available for $20 and others cost over $250. Will the=20
higher cost sound card produce a better quality of output signal than=20
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for this application of decodind and displaying NDB signals?
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Your input will be much appreciated.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Alberto,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your program Spectran is in wide use amongs=
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I wonder what QRG
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> I shal be running a beacon tonight from 1800 to 0900 using QRSS60,
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Hi Andrey
thank you for the nice rapport.
I know, I have to do an announcement.
But till now I hat to do with my SDR-Transceiver because of my first 
used IC735 was to unstable.
In the next few days I will put in this group informations about my 
station and the transmitted signals.
good evening
73 de
Roland DI2AT/DL3NDR

Andrey RN3AGC schrieb:
> Hello LFers,
> DI2AT - there is such station, or I have not correctly accepted?
>
> Andrey
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Hello Gerhard,
saw your CQ this morning ~10:50 on 137.700 (see attached picture). Later
i think someone answered, but could not identify.

Vy73
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> Hi all at LF,
>
> Testing stopped for me to have a meal, I wanted to be in the shack during
> initial testing.
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> I will resume shortly, again at 1 watt ERP.
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> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> > Hello LF,
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> > Initial testing on 503.600 KHz 1 watt ERP.
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> > 73
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> > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
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Thanks Andey.
Mike
====

> Hello Mike and Uwe,
> capture last night 22.50-05.20z :
> http://www.cln.ru/~efremov/137/0802170519-dj8wx-90-g3xdv-60.jpg My
> loc: KO85sv 73!
> 
> 





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Hartmut and Henny,

Many thanks for the reception reports and captures of my signals.
It is very encouraging to learn that my weak signals are being
detected.

Is this your first recepion of VO1NA on 1600m Henny?

73
Joe VO1NA

On Sun, 17 Feb 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> copy vo1na (n  n)
> 02:55z  1702
> henny pa3cpm jo22mb
> 73s


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Hello Warren and Henny,

Also good copy of "XGJ" last night, ( I think that you looked at the=20
grabber ) today the noise returned almost normal ! I hope for a good=20
propagation the next night .

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

K2ORS a =E9crit :
> Henny,
> =20
>     Thank you for the capture!
> XGJ was only on for 40 minutes (One "XGJ" QRSS cycle)!
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> =20
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* henny van elst <mailto:cpm@planet.nl>
>     *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>     <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>     *Sent:* Friday, February 01, 2008 7:51 AM
>     *Subject:* LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): captxgj0102.jpg
>
>     *capture xgj*
>     *henny pa3cpm*
>     *73s*
>

--=20
Website : http://jpmere.online.fr/


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Mark GM4ISM wrote:
> Thanks for the report. Tonight have heard GI4DPE, GI3PDN, GW4HXO, and 
> had a QSO with G3LDO, probably my ODX 2-way on MF.  G0MRF is again 
> quite strong, well over 20db above noise on the main antenna.
> Wolf DL4YHF reported hearing me weakly when I was in qso with Peter 
> LDO tonight
> WX forecast is suggesting that the antenna will have to be lowered by 
> the end of tomorrow, it is not capable of withstanding even moderate 
> winds at the moment.
Thanks for the QSO Mark. I hope to be on 501.80 (I can QSY) tonight also 
listening on 3575kHz
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Must of missed something here !

UK to  W  has been done on 100 mW , just takes skill not power !

G ..



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> New updated NOV arrived this morning, no excuse for weak signals anymore 
> on
> 500 khz
> Mal/G3KEV
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On 10 Feb 2008 at 1:42, mal wrote:

> Jim,
> It depends what date you got your current NOV. Renewal for some could
> be June/July etc, the DX season will be over, fortunately mine was
> dated end Feb.
>  I am  now building a new TX to generate suitable rf output for 1w
>  erp.
> 73 de Mal/G3KEV

ALL NOVs expire on February 29th, mine certainly says that. The date 
of issue is irrelevant, I understand they will be sending renewals 
out automatically to everybody, presumably dated to start on March 
1st.

73 Dave G3YMC

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Ive put up a full grab of the best capture from last evening (Eu) 137KHz
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Conditions still look to be reasonable and Im still stormless.
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Ive put up a full grab of the best capture from last evening (Eu) 137KHz<BR>
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A weak G3LOD was copied on 501.193 kHz about 30 mins ago and another
sig is trying to get in over the computer noise.... Must
go back to RX.

73
Joe VO1NA


On Thu, 28 Feb 2008, Peter Dodd wrote:

> Mike Thayne wrote:
>> Peter your QRSS ID is fully audible 559 on about 501.5. Nice steady
>> signal no QSB.
>> 
>> Mike, G3GMS
>>
>> 
> Many thanks for the report Mike
>
> Regards
>
> Peter, G3LDO
>
>
>


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Tnx Rik for the qso just now and pleased you got going on 500 khz. Hope to
work you agn in the future.
You have a nice signal but the usual qsb got you at times.
73 de Mal/G3KEV


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Henny,

   Not me I was on 137.7798 last night.
I hope to retune for 184kHz later this week.

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ


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  capure who?
  184005khz
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What is "warble " signal ON TOP of G0MRF Becon?,   503.7 kHz if no one else
hears
this then I have a  bad case of breakthrough !

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What is &quot;warble &quot; signal ON TOP of G0MRF Becon?, &nbsp; 503.7 kHz if no one else hears<br>this then I have a&nbsp; bad case of breakthrough !<br><br>Thanks Laurie<br>

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Hello Warren,

This night I copied WE2XEB/2 on 184.005 kHz ,
good signal  ! the screenshoot are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj


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.. just in QSO on 502.7 +/-.. kHz,
both 439 .. 559.

Hrd Mal calling qsx 3533, but couldn't raise his attention so far ;-)

hpe cul,
73 ,   Wolf  DL4YHF .


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Zitat von jrusgrove@comcast.net:

> ...trying this post again...
>
> Glimpse of WX and YO last night early. Unfortunately, no overnight 
> captures due to power 'blink'.  Will continue monitoring.
>
> Capture time in EST.
>
> Jay
>

Hello Jay,
thanks for monitoring, thanks for the pic.
best regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv



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Hello LF,

Initial testing on 503.600 KHz 1 watt ERP.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp



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> I just see nice signal from G3LDO.
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> Lubos, OK2BVG
>
Thanks for the report Lubos

Peter, G3LDO



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Kevlar straps are used within high voltage insulators (to make them fail 
safe)
However these large insulators are oil filled to protect the kevlar from RF 
burning.
ISTR that the kevlar is also damaged by UV.

Parafil rope is extensively used to stabilise T aerials etc, but I suspect 
it will be expensive ?

Regards
           Colin
G6XWD

----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: LF: Kevlar guy rope for radiating mast ? conductive ?


Looking to replace the guy ropes on my vertical mast , the blue polyprop is
showing signs of over exposure to  the sun and starting to  fray



I'm wondering if the 'kevlar' type of ropes would be suited, as the mast is
a radiating element ?



But as far as I know, the rope conducts electrically, which would not be a
good  material to  have in the saturation field of the element



How conductive is the 'rope' ? is it just a leakage or a full low ohm
situation ?



Tnx - G ..





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Market Raisen is 72 miles from my QTH and apart from a rattle nothing
exciting happened. I have experienced bigger tremors and bangs from RAF jet
aircraft  goiing through the sound barrier but not recently, and even then
only a rare occurance.
My house is stone built outside and brick inside cavity type construction
and is not likely to collapse.
My antenna masts were lowered at the time for maintainence so no problems
there, they are all back up again and all systems GO.
Now looking for DX on 500 khz
73 de Mal/G3KEV/Scarborough/England




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Graham,

   UK to W has only been done a couple of times under the best of conditions, the new power levels might facilitate more contacts, particularly with U.K. stations who don't live near the coast.


--
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
WE2XEB/2   160-189kHz
WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz

FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
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> Must of missed something here !
> 
> UK to  W  has been done on 100 mW , just takes skill not power !
> 
> G ..
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
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> > New updated NOV arrived this morning, no excuse for weak signals anymore 
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Ok Warren,

Its the kevlar - carbon fiber - that i'm concerned about .. has it any 
dialectric properties in the hf spectrum ?  I could do  with geting hold of 
a lenght , see if it passes the microwave oven test ?

When you say for antenna use , you mean as support rope / insulator / 
element configuration ?

Ive got to  drop the mast ( 2 x 20  ft alloy poles) and replace the top 
section , so  want to  re-guy it at the same time , the mast is on a 
insulted mount and also supports the wire antennas,

G ..


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> Graham,
>
>  Most kevlar rope for antenna use has an outer covering of Dacron for UV 
> protection so it will be non conductive.
> However, I don't think its a good idea to guy the very top of a vertical 
> especially if high power is in use, particularly in rainy conditions.
>
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
> WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
> WE2XEB/2   160-189kHz
> WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz
>
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>> Looking to replace the guy ropes on my vertical mast , the blue polyprop 
>> is
>> showing signs of over exposure to  the sun and starting to  fray
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm wondering if the 'kevlar' type of ropes would be suited, as the mast 
>> is
>> a radiating element ?
>>
>>
>>
>> But as far as I know, the rope conducts electrically, which would not be 
>> a
>> good  material to  have in the saturation field of the element
>>
>>
>>
>> How conductive is the 'rope' ? is it just a leakage or a full low ohm
>> situation ?
>>
>>
>>
>> Tnx - G ..
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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> 




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Dear all,

propagation on 500 seenms to be good tonight.
Just worked GI4DPE (559) and G3KEV (599). In particular Mal's signal  
was booming, when he tuned in I thought it was Gus calling ...

I will listen on 501-504 until 22UTC and call CQ once in a while on 503.1

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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Jay,
I have just finished the bigger PA and am now QRV. We will have to arrange a
session before the spring /summer when condx will detoriate.
Others suitably equipped might also like to try
73 de Mal/G3KEV

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> Mal...and other NOV holders
>
> Please advise when QRV at higher power...will be happy to take a listen
from
> this side of the pond.
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 10:22 AM
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> > New updated NOV arrived this morning, no excuse for weak signals anymore
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Hello Finbar and LFers!
I just see your signal on 501.315kHz. Other signals are on 501.735kHz
and around 502kHz. I am testing new aerial and receiver.
 
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Henny,

       Thank you for the capture!

WD2XGJ will be QRT on 137kHz, instead WE2XEB/2 will be sending QRSS 60 on 18=
4.005 kHz.

73 Warren K2ORS

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  capt.xgj  15:02  time 02:50z
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All that is required on LF/MF is a xtal set and a good pair of EARS, which
have good selectivity anything else is a bonus.
If you live in a noisy Urban environment all the latest contraptions will
not help, the solution is to move away into a rural area, problem normally
solved.
Appliance operatated devices are no substitute for the real thing ie GOOD
EARS and a good CW fist.
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Hi Frank

Last night good copy in JM08qv. Other station WX was near you.


73  Bart
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Subject: LF: LF 2200M. PE1RRF Beaconing


> Hi all.
> 
> Verry low (ERP) power beacon is nouw on 136.321 Khz in QRS 60.
> 
> Reports are welcome.
> 
> 73.
> Frank.
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> 
> 
>


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Thanks, John.

Excellent news! Need to scratch around in my junk box for some Big Fets now!
Rik has shown what 0dBW can do.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of John W Gould
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Subject: LF: Extension to UK 500kHz NoV


UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care to
look at Ofcom's announcement at

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200
80201

This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week

73 John, G3WKL
RSGB HF Manager







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Andy Talbot wrote:

> .. and its entirely up to you to somehow keep the PC clock accurate enough!

NTP is embedded in most major operating systems.

This should be good to about 20ms over the Internet, although NTP does 
suffer quite badly due to the asymmetry and variability of the ADSL link.

http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp.html

Stewart G3YSX


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LF

Easy first copy here of G4WGT at 539 on 503.6kHz 08.02.2008 21.50UTC


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
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Jean-Pierre and Joe,

        I am still tuned to 137kHz, I will retune the antenna later this 
week, but not today or tomorrow due to storms.

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ





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Hi Joe and Warren

I will record the next night the 184 Khz PLEASE Warren to make
me carrying so that I locate the exact level of my reception. If
I think that I can receive Joe, I will make recordings of VO1NA
again . The moment that EUROPE I is in maintenance is :
00:00 > 02:30 utc  .

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

jcraig@mun.ca a écrit :
> Hello Henny,
>
> It may have been Warren.  It was too strong to be me!
>
> 73
> Joe VO1NA

-- 
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Hi all on 500
Where are all the 1w qro stns, its still not a lot of RF but it helps
instead of struggling like most did with 1mW.
Has the band gone the same way as 137, just about fizzled out.
Getting set up for LF/MF does not justify the effort except things change.
Even the appliance operators have gone QRT
73 mal/g3kev






























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GW4HXO is also 559 here in Vaasa, KP03SD around 22.40z

Best signals here from Michael as far as I can remember.


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ



Quoting Mike Thayne <g3gms@yahoo.co.uk>:

> Mike calling CQ on 501.5. Good signals 559. Sorry unable to reply at
> the moment. 2215z to 2225z.
>
> Mike, G3GMS in IO95GB
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Alberto,

 > A good suggestion for Nico would be to implement the resampler
 > inside the Perseus software...

Yes. I'd suggest that you put that suggestion on the Perseus list to remind Nico 
that this question should have higher priority than the colour of buttons :-). I 
mentioned this VAC stuff to Nico (together with spectrum screen dumps) but he 
did not reply. Maybe a a CPU friendly fractional resampler is not easy to make :-)

73
Johan SM6LKM


Alberto di Bene wrote:
> Johan H. Bodin wrote:
> 
>> This sampling rate is re-sampled to a "standard" rate by
>> Windows when listening through the soundcard, and by the VAC software
>> (Virtual Audio Cable) when routing the signal to other programs such as
>> Wolf. Unfortunately, the VAC software seems to use a quite sloppy
>> algorithm for resampling, probably to reduce the CPU load. At some
>> output sampling rates, there are distorsion products that look like some
>> kind of "in-band aliasing" and these are not more than 40dB down or so
>> :-( Maybe this percent of THD goes unnoticed by "normal" VAC users who
>> listen to mainsream music (which is usually 100% distorsion anyway ;-) )
> 
>  Yes, I can confirm that VAC has a very bad resampler. You can hear the 
> artifacts easily, even on voice recordings. A good suggestion for Nico 
> would be to implement the resampler inside the Perseus software...
> 
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
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> 
> 


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Actualy I do not agree with that statement. It is only in the present state  
of the art that you might say that a machine cannot read poorly sent morse. It 
 is not so many years ago that the present state of the art was considered 
beyond  the reach of machines!
 
It is surely not beyond the wit of man to imagine that a future generation  
of machines and their programmes (I hesitate to use the word software  
deliberately) might not only decode a data stream called "morse" but actually  
interpret its "meaning" using rules based on language, useage and machine-based  
artificial intelligence!
 
In the same way that the modern radio amateur has become an operator of  
"black boxes" who is to say that the next generation of Black Boxes will not  
become an operator of radio amateurs?
 
Some would say that this is alraeady the case!
 
 
   

73 de Pat  G4GVW es gd dx
Qth near Felixstowe,  UK





   

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Hi all,



This is something that may be of interest  .. To a programmer or two or 
three ? There exists collectively the expertise, but can anyone see a way of 
producing the system?



The idea  came initially from the 'Beacon Bedlam' , that existed south of 
Watford gap .. about the only time the skip distance on 500 was 'useful' in 
that band conditions in the north west where quite quiet, later to  prove a 
hindrance,



There already exists a similar system on 5 Mhz , however the transmission 
sites are defined and  participation is only possible by 'passive reception' 
not too appealing for 'experimentation' This is a 'proposal' the concept is 
proven , but 'we' need the
services of a programmer or two !! Similar thing's exist but are coded to 
use 'pics' ,



One of the main criteria is , that 'anyone' with a windows based pc should 
be able to download and install the tx/rx  software and join in, be it as a 
TX station, simply claim a 'time slot' ,  or a passive observer being 
presented with all 5 slots as a amplitude/time plot.



One of the  main attractions would be : TX stations will be able to  observe 
the other beacons in the chain , eliminating the lonely vigil of being in 
perm ante

transmit mode, while providing , at a glance, band conditions  for all 
involved as well as reducing tx duty cycle time !



The number of TX stations is proposed as 5 in the chain , more may be
possible , but the time control factor may prove too difficult to achieve 
within windows , but cw type software in beacon mode would appear top  make 
a reasonable job of time control ?

Click on http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project
- or copy & paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't
work.






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Hi Alan.
Thanks for the info, I was going by the sellers description, and thought it
could be useful to members of our group.

73's    Ken   M0KHW    IO91TV

-----Original Message-----
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Hi Ken I may be wrong but I think this is a bundled stranded (insulated?)
wire, not proper "litz" which is always laid in powers of 3, viz 81, 243,
etc this is to ensure that each strand weaves from the centre of "bundle" to
the outside and back again. It will be better than solid no doubt, but is a
cheaper version.

Alan G3NYK

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> Hi every one.
>
> Just seen on e-bay a 4.35Kg reel of 130 x 0.125 Litz wire e-bay number
> 160207115620, there are a further 4 reels available.
>
>
>
> 73's  Ken    M0KHW    IO91TV
>
>




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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:16:48 -0000
"Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

> ..... That  sounds like someones test for 'AI'  .... with a  addition
> of a 'text engine' to  sort out the questions , names and call's  ,
> you'd never know if it was real station station on the other end ,
> may be there in use now ?


Just tune to 14.070 PSK31 for proof...


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Hello Marco
thank you very much for your  nice raport. You send me the first QSL for 
the Mode DFCW3.
The Beacon is also transmitting another Modes. If You like you can find 
info at --http://www.darc.de/distrikte/b/31/-- it is there also in English.
My be our administrator will need some days to put the docu at the 
homepage of B31.
very best 73 de
Roland DL3NDR

Scholz, Marco schrieb:
> Hello Roland,
> Tried to receive your new beacon on 505.145KHz and had success -> see attached pictures.
> Signal strength here in JN49ax was equal to DI2AG. 
>
> vy73
> Marco
> DD7PC
>
> RX: Yaesu FT-857 and PA0DRT Miniwhip
> mailto:dd7pc@gmx.de
> http://dd7pc.qsl.nu
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: 23 February 2008 16:10
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Re: LF [500] DI2AT?
>
> Andrey, your reception is DI2AT, indeed. It is Roland Brüstle, DL3NDR, few days ago he got the special callsign DI2AT. He is located in JN59NO, some 12kms east of Erlangen. Antenna 50m, up 10m, pwr 1W ERP. He transmits with a software defined radio. QRG 505,145kHz.
> 73    Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Andrey RN3AGC" <rn3agc@mail.ru>
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> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:20 PM
> Subject: LF: LF [500] DI2AT?
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>   
>> Hello LFers,
>> DI2AT - there is such station, or I have not correctly accepted?
>>
>> Andrey
>>     
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Hi Roelof, this was not addressed to me but I feel I can maybe contribute
and opinion. I think it all depends on what you are wanting the sound card
to do. If you are using it as the "I/Q converter" in an SDR the the best
card produces the best results. the vital thing here is the noise level
which affects the dynamic range available, then the sampling frequency and
timing.

Your post tends to suggest that the queries are from people using Spectran
to process the audio from a receiver. In this case the achievable dynamic
range can be similar but it is not necessary for detecting small signals
which are essential buried in the noise from the reciever. I have the
internal on-board sound and an PCI M-Audio Delta 44, and I do not think I
could detect any difference when using Spectran. More important things are
keeping PC noise out of the receiver and ensuring the antenna is the
quietest are available to you but providing the highest voltage of wanted
signals.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK


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Subject: LF: Re: Re: Mini Whip and local noise


Hello Alberto,

Your program Spectran is in wide use amongst NDB chasers.
Someone had the following question:

>>
Does the quality of the sound card influence the decoding or displaying
of signals received or it this all done in the Spectran software? Some
sound cards are available for $20 and others cost over $250. Will the
higher cost sound card produce a better quality of output signal than
the cheaper one? If yes, which sound card do you recommend specifically
for this application of decodind and displaying NDB signals?
<<

Your input will be much appreciated.

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I suppose sound waves are Low Frequency !
73 Laurie

On 31/01/2008, gboorerzl3pn <gboorerzl3pn@xtra.co.nz> wrote:
>
>  Okay Rick on ultrasonics...Had a practical experience with that with the
> break up of kidney stones by ultasonics...Called here the lithotrypsey
> machine or name like it....they zerode.. in on my kidney stones and smashed
> them into smaller pieces ..i kept awake and watched the procedure a weird
> thing but it works well....73s  george zl3pn
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
> *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:24 PM
> *Subject:* Re: LF: water heated by soundwaves
>
> George,
>
> ultrasonic waves are "shockwaves" (just like sound, only at higher
> frequency) that change the density of the medium. A complete different
> mechanism than electromagnetic waves.
> If you add energy into the water, no matter how, it will heat and
> eventually boil. Nothing to be stunned about.
> Ultrasonic waves have been used for ages to heat stuff. Big advantage is
> that the energy can be focused to one spot to get local heating.
> Ultrasonic ovens It has also been proposed as "save alternative" to
> microwave ovens, but with little success as it turned out to be very
> expensive to build an oven that would withstand the vibrations.
>
> 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T
>
> At 02:47 31/01/2008, you wrote:
>
> hi a most interesting news item on nz tv..An elderly gent. (90s) has got a
> device where he inserts a sphere into a large tumble of water and after a
> short period the warter boils..he says its done bye ultra sonics...It has
> stunned professors and science standards...he wont let on much...thats the
> million dollar question just ??? i got a feeling the highfreqency audio
> electric current is heating the water ..BUT IS IT....george zl3pn
>
>
>
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I suppose sound waves are Low Frequency !<br>73 Laurie<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 31/01/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">gboorerzl3pn</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:gboorerzl3pn@xtra.co.nz">gboorerzl3pn@xtra.co.nz</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






<div bgcolor="#ffffff">
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Okay Rick on ultrasonics...Had a practical 
experience with that with the break up of kidney stones by ultasonics...Called 
here the lithotrypsey machine or name like it....they zerode.. in on my kidney 
stones and smashed them into smaller pieces ..i kept awake and watched the 
procedure a weird thing but it works well....73s&nbsp; george zl3pn</font></div><div><span class="e" id="q_117cf28a85c395cb_1">
<blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px; margin-right: 0px;">
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<b>From:</b> 
  <a title="rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be" href="mailto:rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Rik Strobbe</a> </div>
  <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a> 
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  <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:24 
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  <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> Re: LF: water heated by 
  soundwaves</div>
  <div><br></div>George,<br><br>ultrasonic waves are &quot;shockwaves&quot; (just like 
  sound, only at higher frequency) that change the density of the medium. A 
  complete different mechanism than electromagnetic waves.<br>If you add energy 
  into the water, no matter how, it will heat and eventually boil. Nothing to be 
  stunned about.<br>Ultrasonic waves have been used for ages to heat stuff. Big 
  advantage is that the energy can be focused to one spot to get local 
  heating.<br>Ultrasonic ovens It has also been proposed as &quot;save alternative&quot; 
  to microwave ovens, but with little success as it turned out to be very 
  expensive to build an oven that would withstand the vibrations.<br><br>73, Rik 
  ON7YD - OR7T<br><br>At 02:47 31/01/2008, you wrote:<br>
  <blockquote type="cite"><font size="2">hi a most 
    interesting news item on nz tv..An elderly gent. (90s) has got a device 
    where he inserts a sphere into a large tumble of water and after a short 
    period the warter boils..he says its done bye ultra sonics...It has stunned 
    professors and science standards...he wont let on much...thats the million 
    dollar question just ??? i got a feeling the highfreqency audio electric 
    current is heating the water ..BUT IS IT....george 
  zl3pn</font></blockquote><br><br><font face="3D&quot;Arial&quot;" size="3">Disclaimer: <a href="http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm</a> 
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Dear Mal, LF Group,

You wrote:
> Most of what you say is theoritical and guesswork, in reality you could be
> at least 10 db out and that makes a big difference.
> Your figures in the past on 137 khz varied between 6 and 10 db by your own
> admission.

Actually, what I said is backed by hundreds of practical measurements by
myself and others. With care, the results are very consistent; I find that
field strength measurements are repeatable within +/-1dB for a particular
antenna.

The measured ERP with an antenna in an "open field" location will agree
quite accurately with the theoretical ERP calculations from antenna current
and dimensions. Antennas in less-than-ideal environments give measured ERP
that is less than the theoretical ERP. This is not surprising, since the
simple theoretical formulae make no attempt to model environmental effects.
For  the antennas I have tested at my QTH, the reduction in ERP is about 3 -
6 dB. This is a characteristic of a particular antenna and its environment,
not any kind of error.

> Amateur radio design and applications on MF and LF are not an exact
science.
> Mal/G3KEV

No experimental science is exact, but using simple calculations and
measurements with a tape measure and an RF ammeter, you can come up with a
figure for radiated power that is within a few dB of the correct value at LF
or MF. This is remarkable when compared to antenna measurements in most
other parts of the spectrum.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Uwe - thanks for the continuing support from all Eu stations putting up sign=
als. Your making my baby bottle/earthed door framed eprobes  very happy! (af=
ter a lot of leg work Eprobes have proven the best solution over room mounte=
d large tooned loops etc on this small town apartment block). Dont think Ive=
 seen as good a path since KL7/G back in Jan 2003.
=20
The distance looks good - Ill have to get the GPS out again as Ive forgotten=
 the Maidenhead but as Ive said before receiving any low eirp signals of LF=20=
is a result, though you guys are doing the hard work - Its just so so noisy=20=
ionoshperically speaking here; we have to have a mix of both good propagatio=
n plus a rare non tstormy radii
=20
The only stations Ive detected further on 137Khz are from G land. at around=20=
10800 or so - Ive yet to bag anything from East coast USA but that would be=20=
a real miracle. I think your my first D
=20
I took a look back/clearing my argo archives last night and reviewed some 10=
,000 captures (my finger is sore this morning) - Ive definately had traces o=
n your and YO's/XDV's before but nothing I would want to say was a SETI hit.=
=20
=20
Mal  KEV - thanks for the info on 9M on 160 the other night -I should get my=
 fishing rod out and see if I can get a signal out on 160 but Im "slightly"=20=
antennae challenged here, and know Im down on a guy 1 mile down the road who=
se got a full sized doublet up. No chance!
=20
Cheers
Laurence about to be mobile 9M
=20
=20
=20
> Hi Laurence,> you are welcome. I v.v. thank you for monitoring.> abt six w=
eeks try. at last my signs were visible on your grabber.> 10172km, is it fir=
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Uwe - thanks for the continuing support from all Eu stations putting up sign=
als. Your making my baby bottle/earthed door framed&nbsp;eprobes &nbsp;very=20=
happy! (after a lot of leg work Eprobes have proven the best solution over r=
oom mounted large tooned loops etc on this small town&nbsp;apartment block).=
 Dont think Ive seen as good a path since KL7/G back in Jan 2003.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
The distance looks good - Ill have to get the GPS out again as Ive forgotten=
 the Maidenhead but as Ive said before receiving any low eirp signals of LF=20=
is a result, though you guys are doing the hard work - Its just so so noisy=20=
ionoshperically speaking here; we have to have a mix of both good propagatio=
n plus a rare non tstormy radii<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
The only stations Ive detected further on 137Khz&nbsp;are from G land. at ar=
ound 10800 or so&nbsp;- Ive yet to bag anything from East coast USA but that=
 would be a real miracle. I think your my first D<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
I took a look back/clearing my argo archives last night and reviewed some 10=
,000 captures (my finger is sore this morning) - Ive definately had traces o=
n your and YO's/XDV's before but nothing I would want to say was a SETI hit.=
 <BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Mal&nbsp; KEV - thanks for the info on 9M on 160 the other night -I should g=
et my fishing rod out and see if I can get a signal out on 160 but Im "sligh=
tly" antennae challenged here, and know Im down on a guy 1 mile down the roa=
d whose got a full sized doublet up. No chance!<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Cheers<BR>
Laurence about to be mobile 9M<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
<BR>&nbsp;<BR>
&gt; Hi Laurence,<BR>&gt; you are welcome. I v.v. thank you for monitoring.<=
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Ok Andy,

I see you have changed it ! looks like thats getting close , running that an=
d say,  speclab at a very slow=20
refresh would give the path/time info ?

Tnx - G ..=20

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Andy Talbot=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:39 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: TA on 500kHz


  There have been 18 downloads of  the beacon timing software  PCBCN  this m=
onth.  Its still there...

  http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/PCBCN.zip

  Andy  G4JNT

  =20
  On 29/02/2008, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:=20
    That's  quite well summed up ! and was one of the reasons for the 'Timed
    beacon software' , each end could run it
    and still see what was happening on the band.... dont have to  be on the
    same frequency and would of given a plot
    over time ...

    Just need someone to  code it :(

    G ..


    > Beacon acty would be an indicator for you if propagation was optimum b=
ut
    > unattended beacons would be pointless, if one was not in a position to=
 go
    > into QSO mode immediately given the right conditions.
    > To respond immediately a link on 3.5/7 mhz would be useful to indicate
    > copy
    > at either end and the link needs to be monitored in real time for a qu=
ick
    > response.
    > As far as I can see this is the only approach that will work.
    > 73 de Mal/G3KEV
    >







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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ok Andy,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tnx - G .. </FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>There have been 18 downloads of&nbsp; the beacon timing software&nbsp=
;=20
  PCBCN&nbsp;&nbsp;this month.&nbsp; Its still there...</DIV>
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    well summed up ! and was one of the reasons for the 'Timed<BR>beacon=20
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 As=20
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Hello,
Yesterday evening i compared my Receiver FT-857 & Miniwhip against
EKD-300 & Miniwhip and as expected the EKD was much better. I received
very early the beacon of GI4DPE and later i had a good copy of G0MRF.
However still not happy with the EKD-300 due the variable CW Pitch
(500-1200Hz). Really hard to set a CW pitch which is exactly 700 or
800Hz. Very quickly the signal is +/-20Hz and then the QRSS signal is
out of the Spectran range. I also failed to receive the WOLF signal of
M0BMU with the FT-857 it's no problem.
Does anyone know how to set a fix CW pitch on the EKD (maybe it's a
modification)?

v73
Marco

DD7PC, JN49ax


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Hello Michael,

Many thanks for the links.
I am seriously considering buying a SDR, but have to upgrade my old Pentium 
III PC first!

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Hi Joe and Warren

I will record the next night the 184 Khz PLEASE Warren to make
me carrying so that I locate the exact level of my reception. If
I think that I can receive Joe, I will make recordings of VO1NA
again . The moment that EUROPE I is in maintenance is :
00:00 > 02:30 utc  .

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

jcraig@mun.ca a =E9crit :
> Hello Henny,
>
> It may have been Warren.  It was too strong to be me!
>
> 73
> Joe VO1NA

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Dear Jim, LF group,

yes, all Wolf GUI settings were left at "factory default" except the
speed which was changed to Wolf 20. Your signal was strong, clearly
visible in the waterfall (well, with some imagination...) but I was
really surprised to see correct "print" already on line 1! I had
expected to go through a lot of tweaking and calibration before getting
any copy at all, if any...

I played a little with Stewart's command line version a few years ago -
DL4YHF's real-time Wolf GUI is really a giant step forward in "user
friendlyness" :-)

Your guess about sampling rate is absolutely correct. There is only one
clock involved - the 80MHz (TC?)XO in the receiver hardware (the ADC
clock). Perseus output sampling rate is fixed at 31250Hz (in the current
beta release). This sampling rate is re-sampled to a "standard" rate by
Windows when listening through the soundcard, and by the VAC software
(Virtual Audio Cable) when routing the signal to other programs such as
Wolf. Unfortunately, the VAC software seems to use a quite sloppy
algorithm for resampling, probably to reduce the CPU load. At some
output sampling rates, there are distorsion products that look like some
kind of "in-band aliasing" and these are not more than 40dB down or so
:-( Maybe this percent of THD goes unnoticed by "normal" VAC users who
listen to mainsream music (which is usually 100% distorsion anyway ;-) )

Hopefully, a future release of the Perseus software itself will include 
a good "VAC mechanism" and appear as a "Recording Device" with
selectable standard sampling rates in the Windows Control Panel...


Thanks for the signal!

73
Johan SM6LKM

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James Moritz wrote:
> Thanks to SM6LKM for the reception report - the usual problem people have
> receiving WOLF is getting the correct calibration of audio sample rate and
> receiver frequency offset set up. But  I was interested to see Johan has
> used nominal settings, and it looks like these are just right. I guess if
> you are using an SDR system with a "virtual" sound card feeding data to the
> WOLF decoder, the sampling clock in the SDR defines both the receive
> frequency and the "audio" sample rate. So in this case there will only be
> one unknown requiring calibration , which could be done using any convenient
> carrier, making life much simpler.




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Zitat von Dmitry <ra3yo@mail.ru>:

> See RA3YO and  probably DJ8WX
>
> Dmitry
>
>
>

Hello Dmitry,
thanks for the hint. abt one hour later the "WX" was identifiable.
regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv




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yes it is joe,

73s henny pa3cpm


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> Hartmut and Henny,
> 
> Many thanks for the reception reports and captures of my signals.
> It is very encouraging to learn that my weak signals are being
> detected.
> 
> Is this your first recepion of VO1NA on 1600m Henny?
> 
> 73
> Joe VO1NA
> 
> On Sun, 17 Feb 2008, henny van elst wrote:
> 
>> copy vo1na (n  n)
>> 02:55z  1702
>> henny pa3cpm jo22mb
>> 73s
>


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David, LF,

I read the notice as meaning that the new conditions start 1st March 2008, 
quoting this line from the update :-

"Existing NoVs are due to expire at the end of February 2008."

But I could be wrong. Comments from others please.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp


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>
> Am I correct in assuming that the power increase is immediate and not from
> Feb 29th ??
>
> David   G0MRF
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 01/02/2008 10:38:30 GMT Standard Time, jwgould@iee.org
> writes:
>
> UK  500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care 
> to
> look at Ofcom's announcement at
>
> http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200
> 80201
>
> This  came out a little earlier than was suggested last week
>
> 73 John,  G3WKL
> RSGB HF Manager
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 




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But you do not know the whole story !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  So does an MRF150. And that only needs 50V=20
  Andy  G4JNT
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  =20
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    Do you have the data for a TT22?, they have an input of 1.9W for 102W rf
    output but I don't fancy the 1250V anode voltage.

    73
    Ken  M0KHW   IO91TV

    -----Original Message-----
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    Does  anyone have a spare pair of TT22 tubes. They were popular in old L=
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    marine equip.
    73 de Mal/G3KEV






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Hello LFers,

I just saw on the CBC News that the UK experienced a magnitude
5 earthquake last evening.  Did anyone on the reflector sustain any
damage from it?  Hoping all my UK friends are ok.

Cheers & 73,

J.B., VE3EAR




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info@f-dijkshoorn.speedlinq.nl wrote:
> Hi all.
> 
> Verry low (ERP) power beacon is nouw on 136.321 Khz in QRS 60.
> 
> Reports are welcome.
> 
> 73.
> Frank.

Hi Frank
58 in Mijdrecht
73 Ko


 












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Hi Jay
I have heard your signal on 500 khz and a qso would have been possible
provided you could hear me. The Ohio grabber would be useful as an indicator
when u are active.
Because of my 1W limit condx would need to be good and there has been
suitable openings in the past. If normal speed cw does not work probably the
next best thing would be QRS 1 sec dot and not more than 3 sec dot max, at
slower QRS speed qsb would be the problem leading to gaps and guesswork.
I managed a QSO perfectly well with VE1ZZ at normal speed cw because I was
able to exchange rst and other info on the peaks of my signal, whereas QRS
would not have worked. It is really being in the right place at the right
time.
Beacon acty would be an indicator for you if propagation was optimum but
unattended beacons would be pointless, if one was not in a position to go
into QSO mode immediately given the right conditions.
To respond immediately a link on 3.5/7 mhz would be useful to indicate copy
at either end and the link needs to be monitored in real time for a quick
response.
 As far as I can see this is the only approach that will work.
73 de Mal/G3KEV


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> Mal...and other T/A enthusiasts
>
> I'm interested in additional W / EU contacts on 500 kHz. To date the only
> station I've worked is Finbar ... albeit on three occassions. It would be
> helpful if those interested would run periods in beacon mode (normal cw
> speed) so that I can listen for your signals. If I can hear your station,
> you should be able to hear mine...with the higher ERP from this end.
> Setting up a sked for a particular night at a particular time is unlikely
to
> produce a QSO - conditions vary widely from day to day, hour to hour and
> even minute to minute over this path.
>
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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>
> > Nice qso g3/vo.
> > Joe if you would like to try a cw qso xband before the winter runs out,
> > let
> > me know , others might want to participate also.
> > 73 de Mal/G3KEV
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Dodd" <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
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> > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:37 AM
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> >
> >
> >> Hello LFers,
> >> I had a xband QSO with Joe, VO1NA at around 2230UTC this evening. My
> >> QRSS3 transmission was on 501.193kHz. I listened for Joe on 7000.5kHz.
> >> My report was M and I had to repeat his report of 569.
> >>
> >> Regards
> >> Peter, G3LDO
> >>
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Dear Mal, Graham, LF Group,

G3KEV wrote:
> As a rough guide to get started, assume the average amateur antenna is 1%
> efficient which is doubtful then you would need 100w fed to the antenna.
> Since a more realistic efficiency figure might be 0.5% or less you would
> need 200w.

This is incorrect. The ERP could be calculated as:

P(erp) = (TX power) x (Antenna efficiency) x (Antenna directivity)

The directivity of a small vertical antenna over the dipole reference is a
factor of 1.8 (2.6dB), so 100W into such an antenna with 1% efficiency would
give 1.8W ERP.

>The average pa efficiency is about 50% therefore you would need
> anything between 200 and 400watts dc input to get into the ball park and
> generate 1w erp.

For the class D or E PA stages many of us are using, 70% - 90% PA efficiency
would be more realistic.

> A large 1/4 wave inv L antenna might only be 5%  efficient if you are
lucky
> at this freq, because the vertical part would normally only be a few
metres
> high with a very long horizontal part.
> The antenna environment then needs consideration, buildings, trees,
hedges,
> other antenna wires in the vicinity.

The field strength and impedance measurements I did on my own antenna at my
home QTH, basically an inverted L about 10m high and 40m long, gave an
efficiency of about 0.6% at 500k, so I need around 90W TX to get 1W ERP.
Increasing the height in the centre of the span to 14m roughly doubled the
efficiency, which would reduce the power requirement to 45W. The
environmental effects, giving rise to increased loss resistance and reduced
radiation resistance due to screening effects on the antenna by nearby
objects, are quite large. The same 10m high antenna in an open field had
about 3.6% efficiency, due to reduced environmental losses and screening, so
would only need 15W TX out for 1W ERP. The much bigger antennas at G3KEV
should certainly have greater efficiency than my antennas, so would probably
only need a few watts from the transmitter to achieve 1W ERP - I guess the
heaters of Mal's TT22s will be drawing more power than the anodes!

>Your 1w erp might effectively be
> reduced to  micro watts.
> Check the near and far fields.

> I recently removed a long wire rx antenna running near my 500 khz antenna
> and gained 2 db.
> The above info is a rough guide because every radio amateur installation
is
> different, the antenna efficiency is hard to determine, hence the erp.

The antenna efficiency can't realistically be determined without field
strength measurements - if these are not available, a better approach to
estimating ERP is to calculate the radiation resistance of the antenna from
its dimensions (see formulas in RSGB handbook, LF today, ON7YD's antenna web
pages, etc.) Then the ERP can be estimated by measuring the antenna current:

P(erp) = 1.8 x Rrad x (Iant)^2

This method inherently includes the effect of  loss resistance due to
environmental effects, loading coil, etc. but does not include the radiation
resistance reduction due to the environment - but it is still a much better
estimate than trying to guess what the antenna efficiency will be.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Laurie.
I can hr that warble, think it is someone using an appliance mode.
de Mal/g3kev

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  <DIV><BR></DIV>What is "warble " signal ON TOP of G0MRF Becon?, &nbsp; 503=
.7=20
  kHz if no one else hears<BR>this then I have a&nbsp; bad case of breakthro=
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  !<BR><BR>Thanks Laurie<BR>
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I did at least twice ! Hi

On 28/02/2008, mal <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>  Call CQ and see what happens.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* lawrence mayhead <laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com>
> *To:* rsgb <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:31 PM
> *Subject:* LF: 500kHz Activity
>
> Has anyone heard any signals on 500kHz during the last 24 hours ?
> Here only white noise no static no signals !
> Was it the earthquake ? or did my ant. fall down.
> 73 Laurie.
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I did at least twice ! Hi<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 28/02/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">mal</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Call CQ and see what happens.</font></div>
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  <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, February 28, 2008 1:31 
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  <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> LF: 500kHz Activity</div>

  <div><br></div>Has anyone heard any signals on 500kHz during the last 24 hours 
  ?<br>Here only white noise no static no signals !<br>Was it the earthquake ? 
  or did my ant. fall down.<br>73 Laurie.<br>
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Heard Mal G3KEV calling CQ at 1837, RST 569. My ant:  l=3D 35 m, h=3D 10 to=20=
15 m, gnd few  20 m wires and  1.5 m vertical copper tubes. Ant tuned to 500=
 kc. Up-converter has 5-el. lpf 500 kc, NE-602 mixer w 10 Mc xtal, rx TS130.=
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Jim,

Jay and I have concluded that your WOLF signal is not copyable over here 
at its present power level. I have tried on at least half of the nights 
you have been running, but without any hint of a signal. This has 
included a variety of propagation conditions from horrible to very good. 
The 503.800 frequency is not the best here, due to a local "birdie," but 
appears to be clear at Jay's QTH.

Perhaps with the newly approved ERP we will have some luck on the WOLF 
TA path.

John Andrews, W1TAG

James Moritz wrote:
> Dear LF Group,
> 
> The WOLF 20 beacon is running again (from 2250utc) on 503.800kHz with 100mW
> ERP. Any reports would be very welcome.


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Hi Ken I may be wrong but I think this is a bundled stranded (insulated?)
wire, not proper "litz" which is always laid in powers of 3, viz 81, 243,
etc this is to ensure that each strand weaves from the centre of "bundle" to
the outside and back again. It will be better than solid no doubt, but is a
cheaper version.

Alan G3NYK

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> Hi every one.
>
> Just seen on e-bay a 4.35Kg reel of 130 x 0.125 Litz wire e-bay number
> 160207115620, there are a further 4 reels available.
>
>
>
> 73's  Ken    M0KHW    IO91TV
>
>



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Dear Graham, LF Group,

The problem with rope as an insulator is that, when it gets wet, its
dielectric properties will become poor, however good an insulator it is when
dry. I expect with the present relatively QRP levels at 500kHz, this will
just lead to somewhat increased antenna loss resistance. But with  more
power coming into use soon at 500k, heating of the wet rope may become a
problem. It certainly is on 136k - poor conductors/inslators in contact with
or close to the antenna conductor have a habit of melting or catching fire.
So would be a good idea to join the guy ropes to the mast via insulators.

If you are within reasonable distance of a fishing port, the braided twine
that chandlers sell for repairing nets, etc. is pretty good for
sun/weather/wear resistance, and a lot cheaper than the kevlar cord. The
main advantages of the kevlar stuff seem to be that it hardly stretches at
all under strain (if that is useful), and it is quite thin for its breaking
strain, which helps to make it less visible to disapproving neighbors and
the like. I have had some of  this guying a mast for several years now, and
it seems to be coping quite well with the elements

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Has anyone heard any signals on 500kHz during the last 24 hours ?
Here only white noise no static no signals !
Was it the earthquake ? or did my ant. fall down.
73 Laurie.

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Has anyone heard any signals on 500kHz during the last 24 hours ?<br>Here only white noise no static no signals !<br>Was it the earthquake ? or did my ant. fall down.<br>73 Laurie.<br>

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That's  quite well summed up ! and was one of the reasons for the 'Timed 
beacon software' , each end could run it
and still see what was happening on the band.... dont have to  be on the 
same frequency and would of given a plot
over time ...

Just need someone to  code it :(

G ..


> Beacon acty would be an indicator for you if propagation was optimum but
> unattended beacons would be pointless, if one was not in a position to go
> into QSO mode immediately given the right conditions.
> To respond immediately a link on 3.5/7 mhz would be useful to indicate 
> copy
> at either end and the link needs to be monitored in real time for a quick
> response.
> As far as I can see this is the only approach that will work.
> 73 de Mal/G3KEV
>




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Hello Jean-Pierre,

      Yes, I looked at the grabber, thank you for running it!
Strong storm today, XGJ may not be on tonite unless the storm is finished.

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ


----- Original Message ----- 
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Hello Warren and Henny,

Also good copy of "XGJ" last night, ( I think that you looked at the
grabber ) today the noise returned almost normal ! I hope for a good
propagation the next night .

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

K2ORS a écrit :
> Henny,
>  Thank you for the capture!
> XGJ was only on for 40 minutes (One "XGJ" QRSS cycle)!
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* henny van elst <mailto:cpm@planet.nl>
>     *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>     <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>     *Sent:* Friday, February 01, 2008 7:51 AM
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>
>     *capture xgj*
>     *henny pa3cpm*
>     *73s*
>

-- 
Website : http://jpmere.online.fr/




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WD2XES will again run WOLF(10) tonight from about 0000 to 0800 UTC on 
137.577 kHz. There will be a break of about a half-hour at 0200 for a 
cross-band QSO with WE2XGR/2, possibly in PSK31. Reports are welcome.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES


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Ditto.

Jay


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> Mike,
> 
> Nothing seen of you or Uwe overnight.
> 
> John Andrews, W1TAG
> 
> Mike Dennison wrote:
>> I have moved my beacon 0.25Hz lower to 136.3185kHz as DJ8WX is on 
>> 136.3190 instead of his usual frequency.
>>From 1900 it will start on each hour.
>


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Hello Mike,

what's your QTH?
If it is not to far north or west a QSO could be possible at the right momen=
t.
On 2 occasions I could hear the G0MRF beacon in CW, I believe it's =20
running just a few mW.
My TX is not really QRS proof yet, I just did a test last night to see =20
the result on the GM4SLV and G3YXM grabbers, but the smell in the =20
shack was not too well at the end ... the PA is still getting vey hot.
But we could try a mixed QRS / CW QSO. Next week will be very busy, =20
but the week afterward is OK.

73, Rik  ON7YD

Quoting Mike Thayne <g3gms@yahoo.co.uk>:

> Hi Rik
> Just to let you know I heard your CQ calls 559 between 2140 and 2210 on
> 503. Pity nobody else was listening. I did reply to you but my poor set
> up did not get through to you. Also answered your QRSS at 2220z which
> was also 559 but equally no joy. I am working on improving my Tx set up
> so I do look forward to success in contacting you the future.
> Best regards
> Mike, G3GMS  in loc IO95GB
>
>
>
>       ___________________________________________________________
> Support the World Aids Awareness campaign this month with Yahoo! For =20
>  Good http://uk.promotions.yahoo.com/forgood/
>
>



Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm


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Hello Jean-Pierre,

    Thank you for the report and captures!
Yes it appears that you have captures of WE2XEB - first 1750 meter signals 
from U.S. to Europe!
I will run WE2XEB again tonight.

73 Warren K2ORS
                  WE2XEB/2



----- Original Message ----- 
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Hello Warren,

This night I copied traces on 184.005 kHz , I think
that they is them your ! the screenshoot are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj


K2ORS a Ã©crit :
> Hi Marco,
>
>     WE2XEB/2 is my experimental license for 160-189kHz.
> Power on 184kHz is  250 watts out of the TX, ERP is between .75 to 1 watt.
> WD2XGJ on 137kHz has an ERP of 3.5-4 watts (thanks to John W1TAG for the 
> measurements!)
>
> I use the same loop antenna for WE2XEB as for WD2XGJ, details are posted 
> at:
> http://www.kc3ol.dynip.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260
>
> Best chance to copy is from 0000-02:30 UTC when 183kHz is off the air.
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>                  WD2XGJ (136-140kHz)
>                  WE2XEB/2 (160-189kHz)
>                  WE2XGR/1 (505-515kHz)
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scholz, Marco " 
> <marco.scholz@citi.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:20 PM
> Subject: AW: Re: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): xgj1502.jpg
>
>
>> Hello Warren,
>> do you know power/ant of WE2XEB?
>> Do you a chance to receive it with a relative small setup?
>>
>> many thanks
>> vy73
>> Marco
>> DD7PC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
>> <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Fri Feb 15 18:14:02 2008
>> Subject: Re: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): xgj1502.jpg
>>
>> Henny,
>>
>>       Thank you for the capture!
>>
>> WD2XGJ will be QRT on 137kHz, instead WE2XEB/2 will be sending QRSS 60 on 
>> 184.005 kHz.
>>
>> 73 Warren K2ORS
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: henny van elst <mailto:cpm@planet.nl>
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:19 PM
>> Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): xgj1502.jpg
>>
>> capt.xgj  15:02  time 02:50z
>> henny
>> pa3cpm
>> 73s
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

-- 
Website : http://jpmere.online.fr/




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Dear LF Group,

The WOLF 20 beacon is running again with same conditions as before -
503.800kHz, 100mW ERP, from about 2215utc. Any reports would be very
welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Hi all
I cannot get the ofcom page to which John refers for a 500 khz update. Has
anyone got the info.
I have been away in GI for the past 3 weeks.
73 mal/g3kev



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Can anybody help?  I am trying to repair a T-storm damaged LF multicoupler

in which the front end National Semiconductors CLC200 requires replacing.

With apologies for being off topic.

Brian CT1DRP



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Congrats to you Warren  for your TA^3 on 1600m and also to Henny on his 
first reception of my very weak signals!

Joe VO1NA


On Sun, 17 Feb 2008, K2ORS wrote:

> Thanks to Jean-Pierre F1AFJ, Henny PA3CPM, Hartmut, Sal K1RGO, Tom N8TL, Andy KU4XR for the reports and captures of WE2XEB/2!
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>                WE2XEB/2
>
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: henny van elst
>  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>  Sent: Sunday, February 17, 2008 5:32 AM
>  Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): we2xeb.jpg
>
>
>  capture we2xeb/2
>  184005khz
>  02:25z
>  henny pa3cpm jo22mb
>  73s


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Hi Marco,

     WE2XEB/2 is my experimental license for 160-189kHz.
Power on 184kHz is  250 watts out of the TX, ERP is between .75 to 1 watt.
WD2XGJ on 137kHz has an ERP of 3.5-4 watts (thanks to John W1TAG for the 
measurements!)

I use the same loop antenna for WE2XEB as for WD2XGJ, details are posted at:
http://www.kc3ol.dynip.com/forums/showthread.php?t=260

Best chance to copy is from 0000-02:30 UTC when 183kHz is off the air.

73 Warren K2ORS
                  WD2XGJ (136-140kHz)
                  WE2XEB/2 (160-189kHz)
                  WE2XGR/1 (505-515kHz)


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hello Warren,
> do you know power/ant of WE2XEB?
> Do you a chance to receive it with a relative small setup?
>
> many thanks
> vy73
> Marco
> DD7PC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
> <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Fri Feb 15 18:14:02 2008
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> Henny,
>
>       Thank you for the capture!
>
> WD2XGJ will be QRT on 137kHz, instead WE2XEB/2 will be sending QRSS 60 on 
> 184.005 kHz.
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: henny van elst <mailto:cpm@planet.nl>
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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> capt.xgj  15:02  time 02:50z
> henny
> pa3cpm
> 73s
>
>
> 



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Hi J.B. & LF,

Not even a ripple in my whiskey HI HI. Did not know anything about it until 
hearing it announced on the TV & radio news & as Laurence wrote "damage to 
my ears", I am more than fed up of all the hype !!

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp


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> Hello LFers,
>
> I just saw on the CBC News that the UK experienced a magnitude
> 5 earthquake last evening.  Did anyone on the reflector sustain any
> damage from it?  Hoping all my UK friends are ok.
>
> Cheers & 73,
>
> J.B., VE3EAR
>
>
> 



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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jan Verduyn" <jan.verduyn@gmail.com>
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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: CW Skimmer
It is virtually impossible for a machine to read poor morse because when the
elements are split up you get a different character to that intended.


> I expect it is only a matter of time before CW Skimmer will cope with poor
> quality CW signals, similarly to what CWGet is apparently capable of.
> Just a case of implementing an the algorithm. If I had to name software
> authors who are capable of doing this than Alex the author of CW Skimmer
> would be at the top of my list...
>
> It's not that many years ago that a skilled CW operator beat the PC at
> decoding CW signals just below noiselevel...with QRSS this has now been
> accepted that a PC does better.
>
> I ran CW Skimmer during 160m contest on 26th Jan and it decoded some 130+
> stations using a softrock RX... extremely impressive software
What about the 700 plus that you missed.

>
> Jan G0BBL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roman ." <rw3adb@rambler.ru>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:34 AM
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>
>
> That systems are working with 'ideal' quality CW signal only.
> The other famous shareware program CW skimmer in russia is UA9OSV CwGet:
> http://www.dxsoft.com/ru/products/cwget/
>
>
>
> * John W Gould <jwgould@iee.org> [Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:54:10 -0000]:
> > Not sure if this has been mentioned on this group but an interesting
> > piece
> > of software by Alex, VE3NEA, called CW Skimmer has recently been made
> > available, see
> > http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/
> >
> > Although the software costs $75 one can download a trial version (30
> > days).
> > It's interesting to see that whilst away from the shack this evening
> the
> > program correctly identified G3KEV (501.9 at 19:35) and also G0MRF
> > (503.0 at
> > 19:37).   The callsign picking routine must have been designed for the
> > HF
> > bands, where the protocol is very mature, so got a bit confused with
> the
> > protocol used on 500kHz and eventually decided that David callsign was
> > IO91TK!
> >
> > It seems to need a reasonable S/N, but could be quite useful if one is
> > not
> > able to personally monitor the band all of the time.  Have others
> tried
> > it?
> >
> > 73 John, G3WKL
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Roman ..
>
>
>
>
> --
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It will be calm and dry here for a couple more nights so the beacon 
is on again. 136.3185kHz, QRSS60, synch start with each hour.

Mike
====



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Hello,
Copied this morning very strong DL4EAU and much weaker PA3CW (not 100%
sure about the call) on 137.700KHz.

Wish all a nice sunny sunday
vy73

Marco
DD7PC
JN49ax

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Not sure if this has been mentioned on this group but an interesting piece
of software by Alex, VE3NEA, called CW Skimmer has recently been made
available, see
http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/

Although the software costs $75 one can download a trial version (30 days).
It's interesting to see that whilst away from the shack this evening the
program correctly identified G3KEV (501.9 at 19:35) and also G0MRF (503.0 at
19:37).   The callsign picking routine must have been designed for the HF
bands, where the protocol is very mature, so got a bit confused with the
protocol used on 500kHz and eventually decided that David callsign was
IO91TK!=20

It seems to need a reasonable S/N, but could be quite useful if one is not
able to personally monitor the band all of the time.  Have others tried it?

73 John, G3WKL




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Hello Henny and LF group,

There are indeed 3 N's in that capture and traces of several 
more. This is very impressive.  Thank-you very much!  The TX will remain 
on on 184.006 kHz for the next week.

73
Joe

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> capture vo1na     n   n    n
> 03:45z
> henny pa3cpm
> 73s


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Excellent signal here, at least 6db over G0MRF
73 Laurie

On 15/02/2008, Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Hi all at LF,
>
> Testing stopped for me to have a meal, I wanted to be in the shack during
> initial testing.
>
> I will resume shortly, again at 1 watt ERP.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
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> Subject: LF: Testing 503.600 KHz
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> > Hello LF,
> >
> > Initial testing on 503.600 KHz 1 watt ERP.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
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Excellent signal here, at least 6db over G0MRF<br>73 Laurie<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 15/02/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">Gary - G4WGT</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi all at LF,<br> <br> Testing stopped for me to have a meal, I wanted to be in the shack during<br> initial testing.<br> <br> I will resume shortly, again at 1 watt ERP.<br> <br> 73<br> <br> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp<br> <br>
 ----- Original Message -----<br> From: &quot;Gary - G4WGT&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk</a>&gt;<br> To: &quot;LF (Rsgb LF Group)&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>&gt;<br>
 Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:43 PM<br> Subject: LF: Testing 503.600 KHz<br> <br> <br> &gt; Hello LF,<br> &gt;<br> &gt; Initial testing on 503.600 KHz 1 watt ERP.<br> &gt;<br> &gt; 73<br> &gt;<br> &gt; Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp<br>
 &gt;<br> &gt;<br> <br> <br> </blockquote></div><br>

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Hi Laurie, LF,

Thanks for my report.

Unfortunately the PSU just failed, it was in fact the PSU I was testing as 
the Tx has been proved at higher power on 136 KHz.
This PSU has now failed the same way 3 or 4 times.

Back to the drawing board or the wallet !!

Cheers,

Gary - G4WGT.

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Excellent signal here, at least 6db over G0MRF
> 73 Laurie
>
> On 15/02/2008, Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all at LF,
>>
>> Testing stopped for me to have a meal, I wanted to be in the shack during
>> initial testing.
>>
>> I will resume shortly, again at 1 watt ERP.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>> To: "LF (Rsgb LF Group)" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:43 PM
>> Subject: LF: Testing 503.600 KHz
>>
>>
>> > Hello LF,
>> >
>> > Initial testing on 503.600 KHz 1 watt ERP.
>> >
>> > 73
>> >
>> > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
> 



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Rik,

As I know you are active and have the possibility of a much stronger signal.

I have not managed to obtain an NoV yet and so all experiments just RX to
date. I have not posted to LF list yet, please don't mention this yet, I
want to gauge some comments before I do.

What do you think?

73

Dom
M1KTA

Hi all,

I have tried a few rough calculations on TX and RX signal strengths and I
have had an exchange with Alan Melia which I copy some of below, I think it
might be worth this experiment so I post here as a note:

The UK allocation being renewed for 500 kHz with an increase in effective TX
power levels and ON 500 kHz stations with a 5W ERP means they may be strong
enough.
 
I am preparing my kit for a trip in March 2008 to Mauritius 3B8, and
possibly but unlikely 3B9. I know I will not have a licence to TX on 500 KHz
whilst there but I will have for HF. I will take a 500 kHz SDR RX (498kHz to
526kHz possible) and a RX preamp. I can make my nearly full size 1/4
wavelength 80m vertical which I use on 160m a 500 kHz resonant vertical and
if conditions permit and I can see signals I will try a full 1/4 wave kite
vertical. 

As Alan rightly points out there are some higher power US stations I should
listen out for as well.

I will setup the SDR RX and monitor the 500 kHz band when operating HF as
planned, if I see anything on 500 kHz I will report it. In UK I have not
usually seen any interference problems when operating the two.  I am not
looking for a cross band QSO or any ability of that nature. Just to see if I
can RX the 500 kHz signals.

Please if you think you might be operating during the hours of a dark path
between you and 3B8 (GMT/UTC + 4 hours) between 1st and 17th March 2008 then
please let me know and I will make the effort to see if I can RX your
signals. Normal CW audio RX not likely but QRSS or similar modes may be. I
will have internet access so any reports might be almost instant.
 
I have a report that 500 kHz in the region is without excessive noise but I
do not know what else might be heard.

I am completely open to comments and advise.

73

Dom
M1KTA



----- Original Message ----
From: Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>

Hi Dom well not many of us have experience of really long distance 500 kHz
propagation. I would say that it is highly unlikely you will find any
audible (CW) amateur stations (but of course I could just be proved wrong!!)
...we have only just made it across the Atlantic, and then from very
advantageous positions. Bear in mind also that although we expect our "NoVs"
to be extended it might not happen and we wont know for a few weeks yet.

The chances of seeing a signal (QRSS etc) are probably higher but there are
a limited number of stations who could offer a big enough ERP to make that
distance. At present I would not put a great deal of effort into 500 kHz. If
you do want to listen (watch!!) I would consider covering the US band (505
to 515) as well because there are some stations like Warren K2ORS who have a
permit for quite a lot of power and the kit to actually run it into a
reasonable antenna.

Paths will need to be be almost totally in darkness similar to 160/80/40.
You can get away with about and hour after dawn and an hour before sunset at
the best. Long distance LF should be good this year, provided we don't get
an "unseasonal" set of geomagnetic storms at the time of the "expedition".
Being a predominantly N<>S path it may well be different from our
experiences on the N-Atlantic.

LF is not a matter of setting a sked time with someone (yet) it is more a
case of sitting watching conditions and hoping. The important thing on the
receive antenna is to make it resonate. Because you wont be transmitting
there are no voltage worries with the components.

I am sure you will stimulate some activity if folks know you are listening
from an exotic location, particularly if you have the internet available for
"instant reports"

Cheers de Alan G3NYK


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe
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Great news!

I was afraid to get lonely on 600m on March 1st ;-)

1 W ERP should give strong signals all over Europe and maybe even further.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 11:37 1/02/2008, you wrote:
>UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care to
>look at Ofcom's announcement at
>
>http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/20
0
>80201
>
>This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week
>
>73 John, G3WKL
>RSGB HF Manager


Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm




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Hi all,
my antenna match problem is fixed, and i can transmit again (the low winds 
mean the antenna has been up all week)
The problem causing the mismatch was an artificially raised water table, due 
to a blocked sewer.. dont ask..

So I am calling CQ again 502.25 , xtal controlled for now.. still 100mW ERP 
but thinking more power..

Hope to catch some activity
Mark GM4ISM io85ar  www.dc2light.co.uk




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.. just working PA0LCE xband 501.5 kHz / 3.575 kHz, and -shortly before- 
a certain DL-station with a crippled attic dipole and only 20 watts on 
80 meters ;-)

Two "firsts" on one evening: GW/PA MF/HF , and GW/DL MF/HF , congrats 
Mike - and many thanks for the activity.

73,
  Wolf DL4YHF .


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ok tu warren,

73s henny cpm
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  Subject: LF: Re: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): capture who 0502.jpg


  Henny,

     Not me I was on 137.7798 last night.
  I hope to retune for 184kHz later this week.

  73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ


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    capure who?
    184005khz
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ok tu warren,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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Hello Uwe,
accepted your station till 06.50 z (09.50 local time)!
http://www.cln.ru/~efremov/137/0802260647-dj8wx-90.jpg

73


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Hello Roland,
Tried to receive your new beacon on 505.145KHz and had success -> see attach=
ed pictures.
Signal strength here in JN49ax was equal to DI2AG.=20

vy73
Marco
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RX: Yaesu FT-857 and PA0DRT Miniwhip
mailto:dd7pc@gmx.de
http://dd7pc.qsl.nu


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Andrey, your reception is DI2AT, indeed. It is Roland Br=FCstle, DL3NDR, few=
 days ago he got the special callsign DI2AT. He is located in JN59NO, some 1=
2kms east of Erlangen. Antenna 50m, up 10m, pwr 1W ERP. He transmits with a=20=
software defined radio. QRG 505,145kHz.
73    Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF

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> Hello LFers,
> DI2AT - there is such station, or I have not correctly accepted?
>
> Andrey


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Laurie you must have a great S meter, I could only copy him S8/9 with deep q=
sb and that is on a 190m vert loop.
The 1w erp will certainly help, instead of struggling most of the time, ther=
e should be much better copy on all signals, with a better chance of some dx=
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73 de Mal/G3KEV

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  GI4DPE running 30db over noise here tonight,
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... "TEST"-ing on 501.5 kHz.

579 into JO42FD at the moment !

73, Wolf DL4YHF .
(prepared for xband 80m)


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Great news!

I was afraid to get lonely on 600m on March 1st ;-)

1 W ERP should give strong signals all over Europe and maybe even further.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 11:37 1/02/2008, you wrote:
>UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care to
>look at Ofcom's announcement at
>
>http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200
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>This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week
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>73 John, G3WKL
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Zitat von Laurence KL1X <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>:

>
> Dmitry - QSL  - Nice "YO" then full call sequence. AOS around 2030z 
> LOS after 20 mins after my local dawn 2326Z - great signals and 
> hoping for even better tonight.
>
> I saw nothing on 500KHz during the same period. It wasnt all that 
> quiet last night either with strong storms North of Borneo but 
> nothing too close. It hasnt rained here for over a week which I think 
> it the longest Ive seen
>
> Im still unsure of the other signals HF of you - but when I get a 
> moment ill take another looksee
>
> Thanks to you, WX and XDV for the signals
>
> Ill have the system running for USA pre dawn and then for Eu/Asia 
> tonight both 500 and 137KHz
>
> 73 - Laurence, 9V1LF/M at the moment -

Hi Laurence,
you are welcome. I v.v. thank you for monitoring.
abt six weeks try. at last my signs were visible on your grabber.
10172km, is it first-class or have there been others who reached this distance
on LF QRGs?

best regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv






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Ok Warren ,
I listenning on 184005 tonight
73 Jean-Pierre f1 afj

K2ORS a =E9crit :
> Jean-Pierre,
>
>   Thank you for running the 137 kHz grabber!
> Tonight I am on 184.005 but tomorrow back on 137.7798 kHz
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS etc.
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9"=20
> <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
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> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 6:24 PM
> Subject: LF: [137] Grabber ON !
>
>
>> Hello on LF ,
>>
>> Grabber is again operational (137773>137782 and 136315>136322) There=20
>> are always sporadic noise ! one will make with ! .....
>>
>> The captures of night are with this URL :
>> http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
>>
>> grabber at :
>> http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm
>>
>> 73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
>>
>> --=20
>> Website : http://jpmere.online.fr/
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Hello Paul-Henrik,

Thank you for my report, it is my best distance heard on 500 KHz, 1742 kms.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp


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LF

Easy first copy here of G4WGT at 539 on 503.6kHz 08.02.2008 21.50UTC


Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ
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Hello Warren,

This night I copied traces on 184.005 kHz , I think
that they is them your ! the screenshoot are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj


K2ORS a =C3=A9crit :
> Hi Marco,
>
>     WE2XEB/2 is my experimental license for 160-189kHz.
> Power on 184kHz is  250 watts out of the TX, ERP is between .75 to 1=20
> watt.
> WD2XGJ on 137kHz has an ERP of 3.5-4 watts (thanks to John W1TAG for=20
> the measurements!)
>
> I use the same loop antenna for WE2XEB as for WD2XGJ, details are=20
> posted at:
> http://www.kc3ol.dynip.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3D260
>
> Best chance to copy is from 0000-02:30 UTC when 183kHz is off the air.
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>                  WD2XGJ (136-140kHz)
>                  WE2XEB/2 (160-189kHz)
>                  WE2XGR/1 (505-515kHz)
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scholz, Marco "=20
> <marco.scholz@citi.com>
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> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:20 PM
> Subject: AW: Re: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): xgj1502.jpg
>
>
>> Hello Warren,
>> do you know power/ant of WE2XEB?
>> Do you a chance to receive it with a relative small setup?
>>
>> many thanks
>> vy73
>> Marco
>> DD7PC
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
>> <owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Fri Feb 15 18:14:02 2008
>> Subject: Re: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): xgj1502.jpg
>>
>> Henny,
>>
>>       Thank you for the capture!
>>
>> WD2XGJ will be QRT on 137kHz, instead WE2XEB/2 will be sending QRSS=20
>> 60 on 184.005 kHz.
>>
>> 73 Warren K2ORS
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: henny van elst <mailto:cpm@planet.nl>
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:19 PM
>> Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): xgj1502.jpg
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>> capt.xgj  15:02  time 02:50z
>> henny
>> pa3cpm
>> 73s
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>

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Whilst there =3Dmay=3D be a trace of my 138.3185kHz sigs at the start of=20
your picture, Uwe's 'WX' can clearly be seen just above 136.319.=20
Congratulations to you and him, and also to Dimitry, whose DFCW is=20
very readable.

Mike, G3XDV
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D



On 21 Feb 2008 at 3:28, Laurence KL1X wrote:

>=20
> Ive put up a full grab of the best capture from last evening (Eu)
> 137KHz
>=20
> http://kl1x.com/febargo.jpg
>=20
> Yo is dash "high"
>=20
> Dmitry RA3YO is roughly 8532 Kms from here, Ewe DJ8WX 10172Kms, Mike
> XDV is 10843Kms or so and the paths over some High mountains in
> respect to Wavelength midpath!
>=20
> Conditions still look to be reasonable and Im still stormless.
>=20
> Good luck
>=20
> Laurence 9V1 LF
>=20
> _________________________________________________________________ Need
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GI4DPE running 30db over noise here tonight,
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GI4DPE running 30db over noise here tonight,<br>never been so strong.<br>73 Laurie<br>

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Tonight I am transmitting on 136.320kHz for 2/3 hours, from 20:30.
QRSS60.
I hope this freq. is clear of all others yet still within the
window at KL1X

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Tonight I am transmitting on 136.320kHz for 2/3 hours, from 20:30.<br>QRSS60.<br>I hope this freq. is clear of all others yet still within the <br>window at KL1X<br><br>73 Laurie G3AQC<br> 

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UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care to
look at Ofcom's announcement at=20

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200
80201

This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week

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Hello Pat, LFers,

Well said.  As a young lad I recall making my first "rig" from a Ford
spark coil and sending CW to my neighbour next door.  Hardly DX,
but I felt a mile high!  On the other side of the coin, I've not made a
CW transmission since taking my Advanced test in 1974, that is if I
don't include my QRSS30 Lowfer beacon.  There's something for
everyone in this great hobby of ours!

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

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Hi Warren, Group.

On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, K2ORS wrote:

>  What is your power and antenna on 184?

10 watts output 0.4 amps to a wire about 100m long and about 10 m high.

73
Joe


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I have moved my beacon 0.25Hz lower to 136.3185kHz as DJ8WX is on 
136.3190 instead of his usual frequency.

>From 1900 it will start on each hour.

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Slept right through it we are about 100 miles from the epicentre though some
closer did suffer some damage.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7266146.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7267567.stm

Funny thing at work though, I sit next to the IT support desk and a user
said their laptop external screen was off centre up so support person next
to me said, no kidding... "Oh that's because of the earth quake this
morning, it will have moved some of the screen pixels about just reset it by
pressing 'auto' on the monitor and you'll be OK". User thanked and carried
on! Hihi I know earthquakes are not always funny but that was amusing.

73
 
Dom
M1KTA

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Hello LFers,

I just saw on the CBC News that the UK experienced a magnitude
5 earthquake last evening.  Did anyone on the reflector sustain any
damage from it?  Hoping all my UK friends are ok.

Cheers & 73,

J.B., VE3EAR





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Ken

the link was cut in 2 pieces somewhere along the road, try
****
http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/20080201
****
Everything between the **** should be on one line

73, Rik  ON7YD

At 13:28 1/02/2008, you wrote:
>John.
>I am unable to access the link below.
>
>73  Ken M0KHW
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care to
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>http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200
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>
>This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week
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>73 John, G3WKL
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Laurence,

>9M/G4DMA mobile avoiding the water cannons, enroute 9V1

Water cannons?

73 Warren K2ORS

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  I dunno, but a dB can make a lot of difference here -every dB is in my min=
d is valuable as it gains that little s over n even at LF. As I have a BIG n=
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  =20
  Long haul to Eu is still rather odd with deep QSB but peaks are good - con=
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  =20
  Looking forward to seeing and hearing some signals in a few weeks and gett=
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couple of weeks in March.
  =20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Water cannons?</FONT></DIV>
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Hello Alberto,

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Hi Laurie, LF,

I use RS232 (9 pin serial) port for my QRS  (QRS.EXE) RTS pin 7 & DTR pin 4 
for ptt & key, I also use RTTY with TrueTTY using TxD pin 3 also.

No problems using the simple interface provided in the help with QRS.EXE.

Some software will use the LPT1 parallel printer port, QRS.EXE is one.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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> Does anyone have experience of using a computer without RS232 for QRS.
> I have tried to get an output from the 9 pin serial ports on my computer, 
> it
> appears that the -12 volts  on  the appropriate pin (pin 4 for Key ) drops
> only
> momentarily. If this is correct I will need a latch to hold the command
> until
> released. Is this the general experience or am I doing something wrong
> (again ! )
> Thanks 73 Laurie.
> 



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Dmitry - QSL  - Nice "YO" then full call sequence. AOS around 2030z LOS afte=
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Dmitry - QSL&nbsp; - Nice "YO" then full call sequence. AOS around 2030z LOS=
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&nbsp;<BR>
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Hello Henny,

It may have been Warren.  It was too strong to be me!

73
Joe VO1NA

On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> capure who?
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Hello LFers,
I had a xband QSO with Joe, VO1NA at around 2230UTC this evening. My 
QRSS3 transmission was on 501.193kHz. I listened for Joe on 7000.5kHz. 
My report was M and I had to repeat his report of 569.

Regards
Peter, G3LDO


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Greetings all,

Just caught G3XIZ on 503.4 kHz (xband 3576 kHz), shortly before a 
neighbour turned on his local QRM-machine (which is, most likely a TV 
set with plasma display).
Thanks for the QSO, Chris..  next LF/MF crossband when I'm back at DK4U 
or DF0WD ? My attic dipole at home is the ultimate non-performer on LF ;-)

73,
  Wolf  DL4YHF .



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Hello on LF ,

Grabber is again operational (137773>137782 and 136315>136322) There are always sporadic noise ! one will make with ! .....

The captures of night are with this URL :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

grabber at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

-- 
Website : http://jpmere.online.fr/

















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Hello Roland, good copy again tonight,thanx for this new MF beacon.
 
 
F4DTL in  JN18FP

RX : IC 7400
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WE2XGR/3 will run in WOLF(10) mode on 508.500 kHz tonight, starting 
around 2330 UTC. Reports are welcome.

John Andrews, W1TAG


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Hello Ko and Andrey,

Thanks you both for the good reports, I have seen my signal on Markus gabber 
and its looks stronger than I expected.

I only used a 15 meter long vertical with no topload, and the tx power is 
about 250 watts.

I think this new and free location in JO21 IU is helping me a lot.

Regards Frank.

----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: LF: Re: LF 2200M. PE1RRF Beaconing


> Hello Frank,
> capture of the ninth February 02.10z.
> My loc: KO85SV
> 73! 



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Jim,

Thanks for the try. I will probably not be able to run again until 
Thursday night / Friday morning. I'll post a note here.

John Andrews, W1TAG

James Moritz wrote:
> Dear John, LF Group,
> 
> Left the receiver on your frequency overnight last night, but nil copy
> unfortunately.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 
> 
> 
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
> To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands"
> <lowfer@mailman.qth.net>; <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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> Subject: LF: WD2XES WOLF again
> 
> 
>> WD2XES will again run WOLF(10) tonight from about 0000 to 0800 UTC on
>> 137.577 kHz. There will be a break of about a half-hour at 0200 for a
>> cross-band QSO with WE2XGR/2, possibly in PSK31. Reports are welcome.
>>
>> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
>>
>>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Does anyone really listen to these beacons at present. In the early days
they were useful but now there is very little reporting. The majority of
operators that I speak to do not look for beacons, only real time QSO'S .
If one looks at the odd beacon report it is the same person reporting over
and over and is meaningless. I have not seen a report from any new countries
for a long time, no one listening. even heard a BEACON CQ today from a GW
station that went on for hours!!!!!!!!!!!!
The preferred mode on this band is normal CW and a real QSO.
Grabbers are useful for propagation testing when the band is quiet but a
real qso and report is more authentic and do not forget xband working for a
report from around EU.
The experienced operator knows when their system is working.

De G3KEV


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The weather has deteriorated so I won't leave the beacon on all 
night. Transmissions started at 1700, and will continue to the one 
starting at 0000. The entire 'XDV' takes about 35 minutes.

136.3185kHz, QRSS60.

Mike, G3XDV
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I am running my beacon overnight on 136.31875kHz, QRSS60.

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I will beacon again tonight. Last night's transatlantic conditions 
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136.3185kHz, QRSS60.

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Hi all.

Verry low (ERP) power beacon is nouw on 136.321 Khz in QRS 60.

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Frank.




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Does  anyone have a spare pair of TT22 tubes. They were popular in old LF/MF
marine equip.
73 de Mal/G3KEV


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John,

Well yes its a shame I like psk, its very good mode , but the number of  key 
tap qso's  opposed to  mouse click's ones are very few ! , but then agen did 
cw every really get past the same hi good-by formatt on 20 ?

G ..





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> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 20:16:48 -0000
> "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> ..... That  sounds like someones test for 'AI'  .... with a  addition
>> of a 'text engine' to  sort out the questions , names and call's  ,
>> you'd never know if it was real station station on the other end ,
>> may be there in use now ?
>
>
> Just tune to 14.070 PSK31 for proof...
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Marco,

Sorry, but the two messages last night were WD2XES 137.577K and XES 
WINTER WOLF. Thanks for the try, though. You probably just didn't have 
enough signal for a proper decode. Hartmut did very well with it in Germany:
http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES+

Scholz, Marco wrote:

> Tried then for the rest of the night to copy WD2XES in Wolf10 ( a short
> test before with M0BMU was successful directly after t:144).
> Unfortunately i fail to copy XES. Not sure if this was something close:
> t:2880 f:-0.566 pm:207.4 jm: 43 q: -3.9 -7.5 ???GOU7 QSH3GS. ?
> t:2976 f:-0.566 pm:207.5 jm: 43 q: -3.8 -7.5 ???GOU7 QSH3GS. ?
> t:3072 f:-0.566 pm:207.8 jm: 43 q: -3.8 -7.5 ???GOU7 QSH3GS. ?


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Nothing last night on LF - torrential rain and tstorms - no sleep cos of the=
 noise!
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laurence 9v1 LF


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Just a few dB down from the previous night - RA3YO 136,3175 +- dfcw and othe=
r traces were weaker but there. Tstorms around and the first drop of rain fo=
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Nothing last night&nbsp;on LF&nbsp;- torrential rain and tstorms - no sleep=20=
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..
----- Original Message ----- 
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> Updated my website with captures of DJ6GT, DK6NI, DK8ND, DL4EAU,
> F6BIR, UA4WPF, WD2XES and WD2XGJ.
>
>
> Captures can be seen here:
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> 73
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Looking to replace the guy ropes on my vertical mast , the blue polyprop is 
showing signs of over exposure to  the sun and starting to  fray



I'm wondering if the 'kevlar' type of ropes would be suited, as the mast is 
a radiating element ?



But as far as I know, the rope conducts electrically, which would not be a 
good  material to  have in the saturation field of the element



How conductive is the 'rope' ? is it just a leakage or a full low ohm 
situation ?



Tnx - G ..




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Thanks to Henny and Hartmut for the reports and captures!

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ



  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  nice capture xgj  henny pa3cpm  06:15z
  73s

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Dear LF Group,

The WOLF 20 beacon is running again (from 2205utc) on 503.800kHz with 100mW
ERP. Any reports would be very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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tu joe

73
henny cpm
----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hello Henny,
> 
> It may have been Warren.  It was too strong to be me!
> 
> 73
> Joe VO1NA
> 
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, henny van elst wrote:
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>> capure who?
>> 184005khz
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Hi every one.

Just seen on e-bay a 4.35Kg reel of 130 x 0.125 Litz wire e-bay number
160207115620, there are a further 4 reels available.

 

73's  Ken    M0KHW    IO91TV


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Hi John,

Nothing decoded here. The decoder locked in on a frequency about 0.9 Hz 
above the theoretic value for a couple of WOLF frames, but that's all.
The local noise (especially in that part of the band) is high -similar 
as on GM4ISM's site-, and I am not sure if the frequency stability of 
the FT-897 is sufficient for really weak signals.   It used to work with 
Jim's transmission, though.

Will keep trying with different antennas if you plan other tests.

Cheers,
   Wolf DL4YHF .

John Andrews schrieb:
> WE2XGR/3 will run in WOLF(10) mode on 508.500 kHz tonight, starting 
> around 2330 UTC. Reports are welcome.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG
>
>
>



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On 1 Feb 2008 at 12:28, Ken Wright wrote:

> I am unable to access the link below.

It got wrapped.... Try http://tinyurl.com/3xge64 (and added to my 
website http://www.davesergeant.com/mf with an update on the 
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Henny,

   I don't think that its Joe VO1NA or WE2XEB - what is the time scale? How long was the carrier there?

--
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WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
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WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz

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This band seems more exciting than 500. I must fire the 137 tx up soon.
73 de Mal/G3KEV

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> ..
> ----- Original Message -----
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> > Updated my website with captures of DJ6GT, DK6NI, DK8ND, DL4EAU,
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> >
> > Captures can be seen here:
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> > 73
> > Hartmut
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Well Mal my noise level was S5 and he peaked at 5/6db over, but yes very
deep QSB
almost down to noise.
73 Laurie.

On 18/02/2008, mal <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>  Laurie you must have a great S meter, I could only copy him S8/9 with
> deep qsb and that is on a 190m vert loop.
> The 1w erp will certainly help, instead of struggling most of the time,
> there should be much better copy on all signals, with a better chance of
> some dx xband qso,s
> 73 de Mal/G3KEV
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* lawrence mayhead <laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com>
> *To:* rsgb <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:26 PM
> *Subject:* LF: Increased power?
>
> GI4DPE running 30db over noise here tonight,
> never been so strong.
> 73 Laurie
>
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Well Mal my noise level was S5 and he peaked at 5/6db over, but yes very deep QSB<br>almost down to noise.<br>73 Laurie.<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 18/02/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">mal</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Laurie you must have a great S meter, I could only 
copy him S8/9 with deep qsb and that is on a 190m vert loop.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">The 1w erp will certainly help, instead of 
struggling most of the time, there should be much better copy on all signals, 
with a better chance of some dx xband qso,s</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">73 de Mal/G3KEV</font></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
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  <a title="laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com" href="mailto:laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">lawrence mayhead</a> </div>
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  <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, February 17, 2008 9:26 
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  <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> LF: Increased power?</div>

  <div><br></div>GI4DPE running 30db over noise here tonight,<br>never been so 
  strong.<br>73 Laurie<br>
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On 16/02/2008 at 00:07 mal wrote:

>Take the letter Z for instance sent badly spaced. It could be TD, MI, GE, T=
TEE. A proficient cw operator would be able to identify the context in which=
 it was being sent and read it accordingly. Presently it could not be >read=20=
by a machine.

If you were doing machine based CW recognition for serious, you would start=20=
by collecting data on how people mangle code.  This is similar, though with=20=
a much more limited language, to the data collection work that was done in o=
rder to produce Speaker-Independent recognition of spoken digits for the tel=
ephone service.=20

I expect you would find a number of common errors (equivalent to different a=
ccents in spoken language), as for example a contester who calls NST when he=
 means TEST, and of course 5NN for a signal report*.  Then there are the bug=
 key users who speed up their sending by taking the weights off to shorten t=
he dots but do not make the corresponding adjustment in the manually-produce=
d dashes.  Once you have a sufficient quantity of data, you would be in a po=
sition to analyse it and establish how many different "accent" you would hav=
e to deal with.

Do not expect to produce a system that is 100% accurate.  The ear plus brain=
 doesn't provide that.

John F5VLF

*does anyone use short numerals nowadays?




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Just been digging about ,  kevlar is not carbon fiber based and is a 
insulator .dh ..

Got the two mixed up with looking into  a carbon fiber type fishing pole 
which will conduct  !

G ..







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Hello Rik,

Good signal from you also, during your QSO with Finbar; 549 here in 
JO42FD . Any chance for crossband (80m) ?

73, Wolf DL4YHF

Rik Strobbe schrieb:
> Dear all,
>
> propagation on 500 seenms to be good tonight.
> Just worked GI4DPE (559) and G3KEV (599). In particular Mal's signal 
> was booming, when he tuned in I thought it was Gus calling ...
>
> I will listen on 501-504 until 22UTC and call CQ once in a while on 503.1
>
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Andrey, your reception is DI2AT, indeed. It is Roland Brüstle, DL3NDR, few
days ago he got the special callsign DI2AT. He is located in JN59NO, some
12kms east of Erlangen. Antenna 50m, up 10m, pwr 1W ERP. He transmits with a
software defined radio. QRG 505,145kHz.
73    Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF

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> Hello LFers,
> DI2AT - there is such station, or I have not correctly accepted?
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> Andrey



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Dear LF (MF),

Here are a few receptions reports of stations heard at my alternative
location over last week-end. (IO80EI, Dartmouth, Devon SW England)

Sat 2 Feb 2035z G3KEV CQ 502.5 RST 569
Sat 2 Feb 2048z G3ZWH CQ 502.0 RST 529
Sat 2 Feb 2048z OR7T CQ 503.0 RST 569/QSB
Sat 2 Feb 2050z G0MRF Beacon RST 539
Sat 2 Feb 2105z G3AQC QSO with OR7T RST 589
Sat 2 Feb 2105z GI4DPE Beacon 503.1 RST 539
Sun 3 Feb 1134z GW4HXO CQ 502.0 RST 549
Sun 3 Feb 1245z G3XIZ CQ 502.4 559
Sun 3 Feb 1835z G3KEV CQ 502.5 559
Sun 3 Feb 1835z G3XIZ QSO GI4DPE
Sun 3 Feb 2230z GI4DPE beacon 502.1 539 QSB
Sun 3 Feb 2230z OR7T CQ 503.0 579

I'm also sure I copied GI3PDN in QSO with Finbar sometime over the week-end,
but I didn't write the details down.

Frequency loggings are only approximate. Antenna 2m square tuned loop at
ground level. RX is direct-conversion RX with tuned pre-amp. See G3XDVs new
book for the details of the RX (free plug for Mike!)

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor SE England

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><FON=
T   color=3D#0000ff>Dear LF (MF),</FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><FON=
T   color=3D#0000ff></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008>Here are a few receptions reports&nbsp;of stations=20
heard at my alternative location over last week-end. (IO80EI, Dartmouth, Dev=
on=20
SW England)</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008></SPAN></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008>Sat 2 Feb 2035z G3KEV CQ 502.5 RST=20
569</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008>Sat 2 Feb 2048z G3ZWH CQ 502.0 RST=20
529</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008>Sat 2 Feb 2048z OR7T CQ=20
503.0 RST 569/QSB</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008>Sat 2 Feb 2050z G0MRF=20
Beacon RST 539</SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-050=
22008>Sat 2 Feb 2105z G3AQC QSO with OR7T RST=20
589</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-050=
22008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008>Sat 2 Feb 2105z GI4DPE=20
Beacon 503.1 RST 539</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-050=
22008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008>Sun 3 Feb 1134z GW4HXO=20
CQ 502.0 RST 549</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-050=
22008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><S=
PAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN clas=
s=3D433175216-05022008>Sun 3 Feb=20
1245z&nbsp;G3XIZ CQ 502.4=20
559</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></D=
IV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-050=
22008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><S=
PAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN clas=
s=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D4331=
75216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05=
022008>Sun 3 Feb=20
1835z&nbsp;G3KEV CQ 502.5=20
559</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></S=
PAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-050=
22008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><S=
PAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN clas=
s=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D4331=
75216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05=
022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><=
SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008>Sun 3 Feb=
=20
1835z&nbsp;G3XIZ QSO=20
GI4DPE</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>=
</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
5216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-050=
22008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><S=
PAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN clas=
s=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D4331=
75216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05=
022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><=
SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   c=
lass=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D4=
33175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008>Sun 3 Feb 2230z GI4DPE=20
beacon 502.1 539=20
QSB</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></S=
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class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=
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5216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-050=
22008><SPAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><S=
PAN   class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   cl=
ass=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008><SPAN   class=3D43=
3175216-05022008><SPAN class=3D433175216-05022008>I'm also sure I copied=20
GI3PDN in QSO with Finbar sometime over the week-end, but I didn't&nbsp;writ=
e=20
the details=20
down.</SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN><=
/SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>&nbsp;<=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
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square tuned loop at ground level. RX is direct-conversion RX with tuned=20
pre-amp. See G3XDVs new book for the details of the RX (free plug for=20
Mike!)</SPAN></FONT></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN   class=3D43317=
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Hi Brian & LF,

My NoV renewal also arrived this morning.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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      Hi All -



      Nov renewal arrived this morning - 0dBW erp "immediate effect"



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Zitat von Andrey RN3AGC <rn3agc@mail.ru>:

> Hello Uwe,
> accepted your station till 06.50 z (09.50 local time)!
> http://www.cln.ru/~efremov/137/0802260647-dj8wx-90.jpg
>
> 73
>
>

Hello Andrey,
yes, I switched the TX off whilst the last dash of the X has been transmitted.

thanks for that vy long strip capture, Andrey

vy 73
Uwe/dj8wx




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Hi all at LF,

Testing stopped for me to have a meal, I wanted to be in the shack during 
initial testing.

I will resume shortly, again at 1 watt ERP.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hello LF,
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> Initial testing on 503.600 KHz 1 watt ERP.
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> 73
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I am calling on 502.250 approx, listening also 3575 KHz, anyone on?
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Henny,

  Thank you for the nice captures of XGJ!

73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  also nice capture xgj  same time
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Hello All LF's.

I think we should give a vote of thanks to every one who worked to achieve
the 500kHz NoV extension and power increase.

 

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Hey! Hey! Listen up guys!
 
When I started this string my intention was not to be disparaging  about my 
fellow amateurs.
 
My purpose was (perhaps with a little tongue in cheek) to stir up a  
discussion.
 
My basic thesis was that we should not make assumptions about where  
technology may or may not take us.
 
As some of you will know, I've been around for a few years now (born 1943)  
and since being knee-high to the lower half of a piece of coke and a bit of  
silver wire and tuning coils wound on varnished bog-roll, have watched the most  
incredible evolution of communications technology. I have been extremely  
fortunate also to have played a small part in that process - particularly in the  
regulatory aspects.
 
Not to allow our imaginings to accept that there will come a time when  
machine intelligence will far surpass today's meagre achievements is tantamount  to 
being part of the same historical (hysterical) movements which,  during the 
industrial revolution, were unable to accept the coming of the  machine age in 
manufacturing!
 
To simply deny the possibility that a very basic modulation encoding  (which 
morse technology surely is) can be enhanced by the evolution of machine  
intelligence (by whatever name you choose to call it) is also to deny that the  
various techniques that have evolved to extract extremely weak signal modes are  
invalid.
 
And, Roman, as a young kid playing with "radio" one of my first  
"transmitters" did not use valves (tubes) but consisted of a keyed "buzzer"  connected to 
a length of wire salvaged from an old transformer and received a  couple of 
fields away on a friend's father's portable 3-valve TRF portable  (45volt HT Dry 
Battery and 2Volt accumulator - "Picnic" set by either Ever ready  or Vidor 
or similar).
 
I suspect that where Mal and I have common ground is at the very basic  
level. When many of us were starting out in amateur radio, a knowledge of  "morse" 
was a requirement for a full licence. Some of us discovered subsequently  
that, rather than being a "chore" or stumbling stone, this knowledge gave us a  
most amazing tool, being both a means of intelligently modulating a carrier and  
an "esperanto-of-the-air" international language. Furthermore, we also earned 
 the respect of professional communicators who also used this technique.
 
And if you want a very basic example of how useful I believe this  skill 
might be, try this: My family have been instructed, that should I  suffer some 
incapacitating illness that appears to deprive me of  speech they should try 
using the morse code in various audible, tactile and  visual forms!
And in case anyone out there thinks I am talking through my hat, I should  
remark that I do have a very, very close relationship to someone who has  
suffered a mild stroke in recent years.
 
Anyway, that's my rant for this chilly saturday evening on the East Coast  of 
England.
 
 
Except for: In the film "2001 A Space Odyssey" why was not HAL  programmed to 
revert to morse as they disconnected his speech  circuits?
 
I guess that the answer to that one will be found when they discover which  
singularity gave rise to the "Big Bang" !!!
 
 
 
 
In the race  of life put a big bet on the nag named "Self-Interest" - He will 
always be in  there trying hard !
 
 
 
 
73 de Pat  G4GVW es gd dx
Qth near Felixstowe, UK




   

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<DIV>When&nbsp;I started this string my intention was not to be disparaging=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>My purpose was (perhaps with a little tongue in cheek) to stir up a=20
discussion.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>My basic thesis was that we should not make assumptions about where=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>As some of you will know, I've been around for a few years now (born 19=
43)=20
and since being knee-high to the lower half of a piece of coke and a bit of=20
silver wire and tuning coils wound on varnished bog-roll, have watched the m=
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incredible evolution of communications technology. I have been extremely=20
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regulatory aspects.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Not to allow our imaginings to accept that there will come a time when=20
machine intelligence will far surpass today's meagre achievements is tantamo=
unt=20
to being part of the same historical (hysterical) movements which,=20
during&nbsp;the industrial revolution, were unable to accept the coming of t=
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machine age in manufacturing!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>To simply deny the possibility that a very basic modulation&nbsp;encodi=
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(which morse technology surely is) can be enhanced by the evolution of machi=
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"transmitters" did not use valves (tubes) but consisted of a keyed "buzzer"=20
connected to a length of wire salvaged from an old transformer and received=20=
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or Vidor or similar).</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I suspect that where Mal and&nbsp;I have common ground is at the very b=
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the respect of professional communicators who also used this technique.</DIV=
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>And if you want a very basic example of how useful&nbsp;I believe this=20
skill might be, try this: My family have been instructed, that should&nbsp;I=
=20
suffer some incapacitating illness that appears to deprive me of=20
speech&nbsp;they should try using the morse code in various audible, tactile=
 and=20
visual forms!</DIV>
<DIV>And in case anyone out there thinks I am talking through my hat, I shou=
ld=20
remark that&nbsp;I do have a very, very close relationship to someone who ha=
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suffered a mild stroke in recent years.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Anyway, that's my rant for this chilly saturday evening on the East Coa=
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of England.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Except for: In the film "2001 A Space&nbsp;Odyssey" why was not HAL=20
programmed to revert to&nbsp;morse as they&nbsp;disconnected his speech=20
circuits?</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I guess that the answer to that one will be found when they discover wh=
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singularity gave rise to the "Big Bang" !!!</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT lang=3D0 face=3DArial size=3D2 FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" PTSIZE=3D"10"=
>In the race=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Mal wrote:

>No CW since 1974. How can you live without it !!!!! you must miss it !!

Hi Mal, LFers,

Not at all.  Actually, I've done very little operating with any mode over
the years of being a ham.  I'm not one for conversation, but I do enjoy
building and experimenting with antennas very much.  As I said in my
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73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
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Dear LF Group,

Good news on the extension to 500kHz operation - Have to start on the QRO TX
now!

The M0BMU WOLF 20 beacon is now QRV again (2200utc) on 503.800kHz - still
with 100mW ERP for the time being...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Nice qso g3/vo.
Joe if you would like to try a cw qso xband before the winter runs out, let
me know , others might want to participate also.
73 de Mal/G3KEV

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> Hello LFers,
> I had a xband QSO with Joe, VO1NA at around 2230UTC this evening. My
> QRSS3 transmission was on 501.193kHz. I listened for Joe on 7000.5kHz.
> My report was M and I had to repeat his report of 569.
>
> Regards
> Peter, G3LDO
>
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John.
I am unable to access the link below.

73  Ken M0KHW

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John W Gould
Sent: 01 February 2008 10:37
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Subject: LF: Extension to UK 500kHz NoV

UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care to
look at Ofcom's announcement at 

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200
80201

This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week

73 John, G3WKL
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Getting  G3XIZ at the top end of the band , normal cw speed , just l/s copy 
on qsb peaks

G ..


> 




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David

Yes, I do check the Shetland grabber - don't normally see that much G activi=
ty though. An east coast US grabber would be nice - unfortunately most of th=
e east coast stations also do quite a bit of transmitting making even part t=
ime grabber operation problematic.=20

Will be keeping an eye open for T/A signals.

Jay

=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: G0MRF@aol.com=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 8:50 AM
  Subject: Re: LF: TA on 500kHz


  Hi Jay,=20

  You'll be able to watch all the European activity in near real time via th=
e grabber in the Shetland isles.  Obviously narrow bandwidths work best and=20=
although beacons are generally at the 503.5 to 504k section of the band, the=
re are still a few station who presumably using crystal control who are furt=
her down the allocation.

  Any signs of life on your screen can be quickly checked against:

  Shetland grabber=20

  Unfortunately there seems to be no equivalent on the East coast of the USA=
 or in VO1 for us to see if our signals are making it over to you. So it's a=
 little more hit and miss for us. - But with a little effort I'm sure a two=20=
way TA contact will happen fairly soon.

  73

  David



  In a message dated 29/02/2008 11:28:49 GMT Standard Time, jrusgrove@comcas=
t.net writes:
    Mal...and other T/A enthusiasts

    I'm interested in additional W / EU contacts on 500 kHz. To date the onl=
y=20
    station I've worked is Finbar ... albeit on three occassions. It would b=
e=20
    helpful if those interested would run periods in beacon mode (normal cw=20
    speed) so that I can listen for your signals. If I can hear your station=
,=20
    you should be able to hear mine...with the higher ERP from this end.=20
    Setting up a sked for a particular night at a particular time is unlikel=
y to=20
    produce a QSO - conditions vary widely from day to day, hour to hour and=
=20
    even minute to minute over this path.

    Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


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<DIV>Yes, I do&nbsp;check the Shetland grabber&nbsp;- don't normally see tha=
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Will be keeping an eye open for T/A signals.</DIV>
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<DIV>Jay</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: TA on 500kHz</DIV>
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  <DIV>Hi Jay, </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>You'll be able to watch all the European activity in near real time v=
ia=20
  the grabber in the Shetland isles.&nbsp; Obviously narrow bandwidths work=20=
best=20
  and although beacons are generally at the 503.5 to 504k section of the ban=
d,=20
  there are still a few station who presumably using crystal control who are=
=20
  further down the allocation.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Any signs of life on your screen can be quickly checked against:</DIV=
>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><A href=3D"http://www.gm4slv.org.uk/grabber.htm">Shetland grabber</A>=
=20
</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Unfortunately there seems to be no equivalent on the East coast of th=
e=20
  USA or in VO1 for us to see if our signals are making it over to you. So i=
t's=20
  a little more hit and miss for us. - But with a little effort I'm sure a t=
wo=20
  way TA contact will happen fairly soon.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>73</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>David</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>In a message dated 29/02/2008 11:28:49 GMT Standard Time,=20
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=3D2>Mal...and other T/A enthusiasts<BR><BR>I'm interested in additional W=20
    / EU contacts on 500 kHz. To date the only <BR>station I've worked is Fi=
nbar=20
    ... albeit on three occassions. It would be <BR>helpful if those interes=
ted=20
    would run periods in beacon mode (normal cw <BR>speed) so that I can lis=
ten=20
    for your signals. If I can hear your station, <BR>you should be able to=20=
hear=20
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    particular night at a particular time is unlikely to <BR>produce a QSO -=
=20
    conditions vary widely from day to day, hour to hour and <BR>even minute=
 to=20
    minute over this path.<BR><BR>Jay W1VD&nbsp; WD2XNS&nbsp;=20
  WE2XGR/2<BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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Test Email

73 de DI2AT / DL3NDR


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Henny,

    Thank you for the capture!
XGJ was only on for 40 minutes (One "XGJ" QRSS cycle)!
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ

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  capture xgj
  henny pa3cpm
  73s

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My CW was copied in Germany the night before. Get a life.

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mal wrote:
> TRY CW, even qrsd 3 would be better.


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NIL here last night except for the 505.1 beacons

On the positive side I have heard G3LDO with fairly good signals on several
occasions lately. I have no HF transmit capability at the moment to answer
X-band calls.

Paul-Henrik / OH1LSQ

Quoting lawrence mayhead <laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com>:

> Has anyone heard any signals on 500kHz during the last 24 hours ?
> Here only white noise no static no signals !
> Was it the earthquake ? or did my ant. fall down.
> 73 Laurie.
>




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> Andrey, your reception is DI2AT, indeed. It is Roland Brüstle, DL3NDR, few
> days ago he got the special callsign DI2AT. He is located in JN59NO, some
> 12kms east of Erlangen. Antenna 50m, up 10m, pwr 1W ERP. He transmits with a
> software defined radio. QRG 505,145kHz.
> 73    Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF

Thank you, Walter
73 



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Congratulations Peter, another first I belive.
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Congratulations Peter, another first I belive.<br>73 Laurie<br>

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> Graham.
> With that small antenna you might be lucky if it is 0.1% efficient,
> therefore to get 1w erp you need 1Kw less 2.6db ie 555 watts to the 
> antenna
> feed point.
> If you are using a linear pa at 50% eff you would need a DC input of 1.110
> Kwatts or a class D at 70% eff 793 watts.
> This is a rough estimate, other factors need consideration as explained
> before.
> You probably know all about the subject anyway.
> To measure the far field properly an airborne platform is necessary to get 
> a
> clear run and avoid obstructions like buildings and trees etc. This is the
> procedure used professionally. If you have a friend in the RAF this might
> help
>
> mal/g3kev
>
>

____________________________________________________________



I was typing 'fields' into  google and can across this , nicely framed by 
the boys

from Liverpool



http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Ywg-PdeGVL0



'A friend in the RAF' ,  Guess that's a new take on 'Aerial' measurements,



http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=rJX03LcmNpU



1.1 Kw dc input may  be be 'pushing' things a little too far  hihi



G ..
















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539 on 502.5 +/-x kHz,  19:17 UTC.  Nice copy Mal.

Do you lsn for xband somewhere ?
Called on 3.551 MHz because that frequency is often clear, much in 
contrast to 3.533 .

73,
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Take the letter Z for instance sent badly spaced. It could be TD, MI, GE, TT=
EE. A proficient cw operator would be able to identify the context in which=20=
it was being sent and read it accordingly. Presently it could not be read by=
 a machine.
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In real time decoding the complete morse code badly hand sent, Baghdad morse=
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The average radio amateur today is an appliance operator and probably never=20=
heard about morse code or a soldering iron. Avoid them both!!
G3KEV

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  Actualy I do not agree with that statement. It is only in the present stat=
e of the art that you might say that a machine cannot read poorly sent morse=
. It is not so many years ago that the present state of the art was consider=
ed beyond the reach of machines!

  It is surely not beyond the wit of man to imagine that a future generation=
 of machines and their programmes (I hesitate to use the word software delib=
erately) might not only decode a data stream called "morse" but actually int=
erpret its "meaning" using rules based on language, useage and machine-based=
 artificial intelligence!

  In the same way that the modern radio amateur has become an operator of "b=
lack boxes" who is to say that the next generation of Black Boxes will not b=
ecome an operator of radio amateurs?

  Some would say that this is alraeady the case!


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Graham.
With that small antenna you might be lucky if it is 0.1% efficient,
therefore to get 1w erp you need 1Kw less 2.6db ie 555 watts to the antenna
feed point.
If you are using a linear pa at 50% eff you would need a DC input of 1.110
Kwatts or a class D at 70% eff 793 watts.
This is a rough estimate, other factors need consideration as explained
before.
You probably know all about the subject anyway.
To measure the far field properly an airborne platform is necessary to get a
clear run and avoid obstructions like buildings and trees etc. This is the
procedure used professionally. If you have a friend in the RAF this might
help

mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 9:47 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: NOV UPDATE


> James,
>
>
>
> That's a interesting, report on your 'actual' findings  , I run a inverted
> 'L' here as well, but alas not the 40 meter top , a little more like 40
feet
> ! , but the top is a two wire capacity section spaced some 4 feet apart
(no
> reason, that's how long the two conduit off cuts where) . From what I
could
> gather, I think I have managed round 75 mW with 25 watts feed to  the atu
at
> the base of the ae , this is based on comparisons with other stations,
range
> reports  and the erp calculators.
>
>
>
> In a linear situation  I doubt I could reach the power level required to
> attain 1 watt erp with such a short system, without replicating a small
> marine installation and even then it would be non-linear. A UK warship
would
> only run  200/300  watts on  MF !
>
>
>
>  Optimised  modelling of the system always dictates a much larger capacity
> section. In this situation increased wattage to the antenna looks to  be
the
> only way to  enhance the signal, but from experience I doubt it will
defeat
> the skip distance
>
>
>
> I'm quite amused  at concept of running wattage levels well in to three
> figures to what amounts to a self confessed  high gain system , 400 watts
is
> a quoted as the carrier level feeding the local MW multi channel
transmitter
> ! , perhaps half a gallon (us)  is  stretching the  plunger  a tad more
than
> really necessary ?
>
>
>
> G ..
>
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:06 PM
> Subject: LF: Re: NOV UPDATE
>
>
> > Dear Mal, Graham, LF Group,
> >
> > G3KEV wrote:
> >> As a rough guide to get started, assume the average amateur antenna is
1%
> >> efficient which is doubtful then you would need 100w fed to the
antenna.
> >> Since a more realistic efficiency figure might be 0.5% or less you
would
> >> need 200w.
> >
> > This is incorrect. The ERP could be calculated as:
> >
> > P(erp) = (TX power) x (Antenna efficiency) x (Antenna directivity)
> >
> > The directivity of a small vertical antenna over the dipole reference is
a
> > factor of 1.8 (2.6dB), so 100W into such an antenna with 1% efficiency
> > would
> > give 1.8W ERP.
> >
> >>The average pa efficiency is about 50% therefore you would need
> >> anything between 200 and 400watts dc input to get into the ball park
and
> >> generate 1w erp.
> >
> > For the class D or E PA stages many of us are using, 70% - 90% PA
> > efficiency
> > would be more realistic.
> >
> >> A large 1/4 wave inv L antenna might only be 5%  efficient if you are
> > lucky
> >> at this freq, because the vertical part would normally only be a few
> > metres
> >> high with a very long horizontal part.
> >> The antenna environment then needs consideration, buildings, trees,
> > hedges,
> >> other antenna wires in the vicinity.
> >
> > The field strength and impedance measurements I did on my own antenna at
> > my
> > home QTH, basically an inverted L about 10m high and 40m long, gave an
> > efficiency of about 0.6% at 500k, so I need around 90W TX to get 1W ERP.
> > Increasing the height in the centre of the span to 14m roughly doubled
the
> > efficiency, which would reduce the power requirement to 45W. The
> > environmental effects, giving rise to increased loss resistance and
> > reduced
> > radiation resistance due to screening effects on the antenna by nearby
> > objects, are quite large. The same 10m high antenna in an open field had
> > about 3.6% efficiency, due to reduced environmental losses and
screening,
> > so
> > would only need 15W TX out for 1W ERP. The much bigger antennas at G3KEV
> > should certainly have greater efficiency than my antennas, so would
> > probably
> > only need a few watts from the transmitter to achieve 1W ERP - I guess
the
> > heaters of Mal's TT22s will be drawing more power than the anodes!
> >
> >>Your 1w erp might effectively be
> >> reduced to  micro watts.
> >> Check the near and far fields.
> >
> >> I recently removed a long wire rx antenna running near my 500 khz
antenna
> >> and gained 2 db.
> >> The above info is a rough guide because every radio amateur
installation
> > is
> >> different, the antenna efficiency is hard to determine, hence the erp.
> >
> > The antenna efficiency can't realistically be determined without field
> > strength measurements - if these are not available, a better approach to
> > estimating ERP is to calculate the radiation resistance of the antenna
> > from
> > its dimensions (see formulas in RSGB handbook, LF today, ON7YD's antenna
> > web
> > pages, etc.) Then the ERP can be estimated by measuring the antenna
> > current:
> >
> > P(erp) = 1.8 x Rrad x (Iant)^2
> >
> > This method inherently includes the effect of  loss resistance due to
> > environmental effects, loading coil, etc. but does not include the
> > radiation
> > resistance reduction due to the environment - but it is still a much
> > better
> > estimate than trying to guess what the antenna efficiency will be.
> >
> > Cheers, Jim Moritz
> > 73 de M0BMU
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Hello LFers,

This is a short description of my 500kHz transmitter and antenna.
The driver comprises a DDS3 Hands direct digital synthesiser, which came 
in the form of a kit. I bought this some time ago as a driver for 73 and 
136kHz and has now been reprogrammed for the 500kHz band.
The transmitter uses a PL519 TV sweep tube (valve) with 380v on the 
plate (anode). This is driven by a metal 1632, which is a 12v  heater 
version of a 6L6. The design of the transmitter is derived from my junk 
box and provided me with some nostalgic pleasure.
The antenna comprises a HF quad. The quad and its feeder is used as a 
short vertical with a capacity hat and is resonated with a variometer 
and matched with a ferrite multi tapped transformer located in the 
garden shed at the bottom of the garden.
The antenna has a calculated gain of around -20dBi.

The DDS3 is programmed using DOS via the printer port. In the meantime 
all my computers have moved on and the only DOS computer I have left is 
an AcerNote 760iC laptop, which I still use for QRSS keying. 
Unfortunately it doesn't seem to want to talk the DDS3 via the printer 
port. Did some old laptops use different pinouts compared with standard 
printer ports?

regards

Peter G3LDO


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Dear Wolf, LF Group,

Thanks  for the reception report from last night. The beacon is now QRVagain
from about 2230utc - WOLF 20 mode, 503.800kHz, 0.1W ERP.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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On 12 Feb 2008 at 20:16, Graham wrote:

> ..... That  sounds like someones test for 'AI'  .... with a  addition
> of a 'text engine' to  sort out the questions , names and call's  ,
> you'd never know if it was real station station on the other end , may
> be there in use now ?
> 
> G ..

It would certainly have made a QSO with 'TI9DX' this morning who was 
jamming the VP6DX Dxpedition on 7002 and not complained (the chap was 
heard to accidentally send UA3... once before realising he was meant 
to be somewhere else...!). Not sure what it would have done with the 
chap who was sending 'PIRATE' or other obscenities... And it would 
have worked out that the real VP6 was listening 25kHz HF +/- pileup 
and set the transceiver spit controls correctly before choosing a 
good TX frequency...

My experience of any sort of CW reader is that they are way behind 
the human ear and it is very frustrating sometimes to watch them. But 
the one in the Elecraft K3 which Rich G4ZFE (9M2CNC) was showing me 
last week seemed to do a reasonable job. The delay between you 
copying each letter in your head and it appearing on the dispay 
(almost a second) is rather offputting though...

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com



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Hi Jay


 >
 > Glimpse of WX and YO last night early. Unfortunately, no overnight 
captures

I don' t sure.
End my transmition  ~01:10 UTC

Dmitry





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I note a Loran? line on 136.320 so have eased up to 136.320.5kHz
All reports welcome
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I note a Loran? line on 136.320 so have eased up to 136.320.5kHz<br>All reports welcome<br>Laurie.<br><br>&nbsp;<br>

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No CW since 1974. How can you live without it !!!!! you must miss it !!

----- Original Message -----
From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" <weazle@hurontel.on.ca>
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> Hello Pat, LFers,
>
> Well said.  As a young lad I recall making my first "rig" from a Ford
> spark coil and sending CW to my neighbour next door.  Hardly DX,
> but I felt a mile high!  On the other side of the coin, I've not made a
> CW transmission since taking my Advanced test in 1974, that is if I
> don't include my QRSS30 Lowfer beacon.  There's something for
> everyone in this great hobby of ours!
>
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
> Solar and wind powered
> Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
> EN93dr
>
> http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle
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>
>
>
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Dear Lowfers,

sooner or later I am looking for an TX for 136 kHz, giving me reasonable mor=
e output than my present one with abt. 70 W_60 Ohm.  Power supply should be=20=
DC or 230V single phase, my cottage has no three-phase-current.=20

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Has anyone any details for a marine tx marked only TYPE NS6MS.This is a
compact tx with XTAL OSC/BUFFER/PA pair of parallel TT22 tubes and modulated
by a pair of push pull TT22 tubes. Range 1.5 - 4 mhz. with 11 channels,
could be used as it is for those that like 160/80 m am. or modified easily
for
500 khz cw etc.
The cct is easy to  follow for mods, a cct is not really necessary.
This  would make a nice 500 khz tx,  original tube design and  robust, no
exploding fets !!
73 de Mal/G3KEV



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Hi Peter,

Nice signal from you on 501.9 kHz.
Called you on 3.575 but no reply (hr on 80m only a short attic dipole).
Will continue trying.

Peter Dodd schrieb:
> Thanks for the QSO Mark. I hope to be on 501.80 (I can QSY) tonight 
> also listening on 3575kHz
> Regards, Peter, G3LDO
>
>
>
>



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..... That  sounds like someones test for 'AI'  .... with a  addition of a 
'text engine' to  sort out the questions , names and call's  , you'd never 
know if it was real station station on the other end , may be there in use 
now ?

G ..


----- Original Message ----- 
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This gives me an idea.

If you combine this program with something to choose which station you wish 
to work, then link this into your transmitter and leave the whole thing 
running overnight, you can come back in the morning and see what DX you have 
worked.  Signal reports would be no problem as everybody seems to give a 
report of 599 anyway.

I would have liked this as a final year artificial intelligence student 
project, but that was long ago.

John, F5VLF








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I will start beaconing today at 2100 UTC using DFCW on 135920.2 / 135920.4 Hz.

73, Dick, PA0SE
JO22GD 



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This gives me an idea. =20

If you combine this program with something to choose which station you wish=20=
to work, then link this into your transmitter and leave the whole thing runn=
ing overnight, you can come back in the morning and see what DX you have wor=
ked.  Signal reports would be no problem as everybody seems to give a report=
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I would have liked this as a final year artificial intelligence student proj=
ect, but that was long ago.

John, F5VLF





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Hello LFers,

I'm having troubles posting to the Lowfer reflector and
hence I'm trying a test post here to see if this works.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle




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Hello Mike and Uwe,
capture last night 22.50-05.20z : http://www.cln.ru/~efremov/137/0802170519-dj8wx-90-g3xdv-60.jpg
My loc: KO85sv
73!


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Bet I do , there =A3150 each for a good one , a momentary loss of concentrat=
ion would bring tears to  the eyes as well as (rf) burning a hole in your ba=
ck pocket , definatly  the kind of tube a dude would use !=20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: mal=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 8:28 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: RE: Lf project


  But you do not know the whole story !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: Andy Talbot=20
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    So does an MRF150. And that only needs 50V=20
    Andy  G4JNT
    www.scrbg.org/g4jnt


    =20
    On 01/02/2008, Ken Wright <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com> wrote:=20
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      Do you have the data for a TT22?, they have an input of 1.9W for 102W=20=
rf
      output but I don't fancy the 1250V anode voltage.

      73
      Ken  M0KHW   IO91TV

      -----Original Message-----
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      Does  anyone have a spare pair of TT22 tubes. They were popular in old=
 LF/MF
      marine equip.
      73 de Mal/G3KEV






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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bet I do , there =A3150 each for a good one=
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    <DIV>So does an MRF150. And that only needs&nbsp;50V </DIV>
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t:=20
      LF: Lf project<BR><BR>Does&nbsp;&nbsp;anyone have a spare pair of TT22=
=20
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After I received only some traces on the 15/16 February attached a
screenshot taken last night showing some "N"'s and a part of WE2XEB/2.

73
Hartmut
www.h-wolff.de
Locator: JO52hp 

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Tnx Reino
Report appreciated pse call me on 3533 khz if possible.
de Mal/G3KEV

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  Mal RST 569 yesterday 502 kc at Joensuu.  73/OH7OL Reino.


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John,

Thanks for the good news.

73
Dom
M1KTA

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John W Gould
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Subject: LF: Extension to UK 500kHz NoV

UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care to
look at Ofcom's announcement at 

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200
80201

This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week

73 John, G3WKL
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..
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
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Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 6:56 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Mini Whip and local noise


> Hi Roelof, this was not addressed to me but I feel I can maybe contribute
> and opinion. I think it all depends on what you are wanting the sound card
> to do. If you are using it as the "I/Q converter" in an SDR the the best
> card produces the best results. the vital thing here is the noise level
> which affects the dynamic range available, then the sampling frequency and
> timing.
>
> Your post tends to suggest that the queries are from people using Spectran
> to process the audio from a receiver. In this case the achievable dynamic
> range can be similar but it is not necessary for detecting small signals
> which are essential buried in the noise from the reciever. I have the
> internal on-board sound and an PCI M-Audio Delta 44, and I do not think I
> could detect any difference when using Spectran. More important things are
> keeping PC noise out of the receiver and ensuring the antenna is the
> quietest are available to you but providing the highest voltage of wanted
> signals.
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roelof Bakker" <roelof@ndb.demon.nl>
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> Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 4:09 PM
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>
>
> Hello Alberto,
>
> Your program Spectran is in wide use amongst NDB chasers.
> Someone had the following question:
>
>>>
> Does the quality of the sound card influence the decoding or displaying
> of signals received or it this all done in the Spectran software? Some
> sound cards are available for $20 and others cost over $250. Will the
> higher cost sound card produce a better quality of output signal than
> the cheaper one? If yes, which sound card do you recommend specifically
> for this application of decodind and displaying NDB signals?
> <<
>
> Your input will be much appreciated.
>
> 73,
> Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt
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Jim,

you seem to be running QRO ;-)

I downloaded and fired up DL4YHF's Wolf GUI (of which I have no previous 
experience), selected the "20" mode, tuned the RX to 503.000kHz USB and in the 
next few seconds I received this:

----
2008-02-07 23:59:49 >WOLF20  -r 8000 -f 800 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  12 f:-0.065 a: 0.1 dp: 77.7 ci:15 cj:453 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:  24 f:-0.062 a:-0.0 dp: 77.0 ci:15 cj:453 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:  48 f:-0.061 a:-0.2 dp: 77.5 ci:15 cj:453 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:  96 f:-0.059 pm:75.76 jm: 55 q:  4.7  4.6 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 144 f:-0.059 pm:132.0 jm: 55 q:  6.7  7.3 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 192 f:-0.059 pm:145.3 jm: 55 q:  7.0  7.2 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 240 f:-0.059 pm:149.4 jm: 55 q:  6.8  7.0 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 288 f:-0.059 pm:170.1 jm: 55 q:  7.9  7.7 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 336 f:-0.059 pm:239.4 jm: 55 q:  9.7  9.6 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 384 f:-0.059 pm:324.2 jm: 55 q: 10.8 10.8 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 432 f:-0.059 pm:422.3 jm: 55 q: 11.9 11.7 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 480 f:-0.059 pm:491.2 jm: 55 q: 12.4 12.2 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 528 f:-0.059 pm:563.2 jm: 55 q: 13.0 12.6 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 576 f:-0.059 pm:597.7 jm: 55 q: 13.3 12.9 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 624 f:-0.059 pm:615.5 jm: 55 q: 13.5 12.7 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 672 f:-0.059 pm:616.4 jm: 55 q: 13.2 12.7 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 720 f:-0.059 pm:642.2 jm: 55 q: 13.5 13.1 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 768 f:-0.059 pm:732.0 jm: 55 q: 13.7 13.6 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 816 f:-0.059 pm:910.5 jm: 55 q: 14.2 14.1 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 864 f:-0.059 pm: 1086 jm: 55 q: 14.5 14.3 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 912 f:-0.059 pm: 1158 jm: 55 q: 14.7 14.4 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 960 f:-0.059 pm: 1242 jm: 55 q: 14.8 14.5 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1008 f:-0.059 pm: 1370 jm: 55 q: 15.1 14.8 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1056 f:-0.059 pm: 1457 jm: 55 q: 15.2 15.0 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
----

I didn't believe my eyes!


Equipment used at this end:
   FD-4 dipole, extremely bad LF antenna (horizontal!)
   Perseus RX by IV3NWV
   VAC by Eugene Muzychenko
   Wolf GUI by DL4YHF/KK7KA

73
Johan SM6LKM

----

James Moritz wrote:
> Dear LF Group,
> 
> The WOLF 20 beacon is running again (from 2235utc) on 503.800kHz with 100mW
> ERP. Any reports would be very welcome.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU



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Zitat von Andrey RN3AGC <rn3agc@mail.ru>:

> Hello Uwe,
> capture 21.28z.
> 73!

Thanks Andrey.
do you know UA4WPF`s  e-mail adr ?
regards
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Hi Mal,
Thanks for the QSO , at least I know that the Ant. did'nt
fall down, but would have expected a better report since
now running 1W.
Don't know what my intermitent problem was !
Band more lively now, some QRN.
73 Laurie

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Hi Mal,<br>Thanks for the QSO , at least I know that the Ant. did&#39;nt<br>fall down, but would have expected a better report since<br>now running 1W.<br>Don&#39;t know what my intermitent problem was !<br>Band more lively now, some QRN.<br>
73 Laurie<br>

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Thanks for the excellent news John! I plan to be back on the band in 
a month or two after this year's Top Band season has finished. But 
guess I won't be running much more than my present 5mW...

73 Dave G3YMC

On 1 Feb 2008 at 10:37, John W Gould wrote:

> UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may
> care to look at Ofcom's announcement at 
> 
> http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notic
> es/200 80201
> 
> This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week
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> 73 John, G3WKL
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Joe,

    I have been considering putting a signal on near your beacon (1-2Hz away from you  ~184.005) with about 250 watts to give potential listeners a propagation indicator and another target to look for.  Let me know if you like the idea.

--
73 Warren K2ORS
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 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: jcraig@mun.ca
> Hi Jean-Pierre and Wolf,
> 
> I can understand how the QRM makes it seem futile to receive the very
> weak signals, but we have made much progress despite the challenges.
> The transmitter will remain in operation if you desire and will be moved
> to a frequency of your preference if you can find one with lower noise in
> the 160-190 kHz range.  When the experiment with the Poldhu club
> is finished, we can then try QRSS120 if you are interested.
> 
> 73 and thank-you for the many reports!
> 
> Joe VO1NA
> 



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Hi Mark,


> I am calling on 502.250 approx, listening also 3575 KHz, anyone on?
Listening for you, ready to call on 80 meters. But at the moment, 
nothing but QRM on 502.25 kHz.

HPE CUL,
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Manually type-in the bit that gets carried onto the second line - in your
case the  "80201"

Andy  G4JNT
www.scrbg.org/g4jnt


On 01/02/2008, Ken Wright <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> John.
> I am unable to access the link below.
>
> 73  Ken M0KHW
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John W Gould
> Sent: 01 February 2008 10:37
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Extension to UK 500kHz NoV
>
> UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care to
> look at Ofcom's announcement at
>
>
> http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200
> 80201
>
> This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week
>
> 73 John, G3WKL
> RSGB HF Manager
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>
>
>
>

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<div>Manually type-in the bit that gets carried onto the second line - in your case the&nbsp; &quot;80201&quot;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Andy&nbsp; G4JNT</div>
<div><a href="http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt">www.scrbg.org/g4jnt</a><br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 01/02/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">Ken Wright</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:ken.h.wright@btinternet.com">ken.h.wright@btinternet.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">John.<br>I am unable to access the link below.<br><br>73&nbsp;&nbsp;Ken M0KHW<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>
[mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>] On Behalf Of John W Gould<br>Sent: 01 February 2008 10:37<br>To: <a href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>
Subject: LF: Extension to UK 500kHz NoV<br><br>UK 500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care to<br>look at Ofcom&#39;s announcement at<br><br><a href="http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200">http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200</a><br>
80201<br><br>This came out a little earlier than was suggested last week<br><br>73 John, G3WKL<br>RSGB HF Manager<br><br><br><br><br></blockquote></div>

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Hello Joe ,

jcraig@mun.ca a =E9crit :
> Jean-Pierre,
>
> It is good that you can see traces. Your noise problem has improved?
Oh not ! always between 10 and 30 dB of noise ! and I do not have any
way to dig ( certainly domestic CPL in the vicinity )
>
> Thank-you for monitoring.
> 73
> Joe
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
> On Sat, 23 Feb 2008, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:
>
>> Hello  all on LF ,
>>
>> Last night i copy  :
>>
>> RA3YO on 136   ( on the Grabber )
>>
>> VO1NA on 184 ( traces )
>>
>> The captures of night are at :
>> http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/
>>
>> grabber at :
>> http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm
>>
>> 73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
>>
>> --=20
>> Website : http://jpmere.online.fr/
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Hi Dave, LF,

I think you will find that number is your main licence number.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

----- Original Message ----- 
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Yup,

Got mine today also. 0dBW. Need to finish digging the cooling pond for the 
PA this week-end.

BTW, has anyone got any idea of the number of NOVs issued? - the last 4 
digits of mine are 7930..

73,Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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Hi Brian & LF,

My NoV renewal also arrived this morning.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

----- Original Message ----- 
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      Hi All -



      Nov renewal arrived this morning - 0dBW erp "immediate effect"



      Brian (G3YKB)



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Hi all
Has anyone heard VE1ZZ/Jack lately. I would like another qso before the DX
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...produced a few ripples in the old G&T old boy.......
Chin-chin
Alan G3NYK
PS you would have thought it was a mag 9 the way it was treated by the News,
we get bigger tremours from the heavy lorries.....and the occasional petrol
storage depot explosion

----- Original Message -----
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> Hello LFers,
>
> I just saw on the CBC News that the UK experienced a magnitude
> 5 earthquake last evening.  Did anyone on the reflector sustain any
> damage from it?  Hoping all my UK friends are ok.
>
> Cheers & 73,
>
> J.B., VE3EAR
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>
>



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Dear LF Group,

The WOLF 20 beacon is running again (from 2250utc) on 503.800kHz with 100mW
ERP. Any reports would be very welcome.

Thanks to SM6LKM for the reception report - the usual problem people have
receiving WOLF is getting the correct calibration of audio sample rate and
receiver frequency offset set up. But  I was interested to see Johan has
used nominal settings, and it looks like these are just right. I guess if
you are using an SDR system with a "virtual" sound card feeding data to the
WOLF decoder, the sampling clock in the SDR defines both the receive
frequency and the "audio" sample rate. So in this case there will only be
one unknown requiring calibration , which could be done using any convenient
carrier, making life much simpler.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Hi Henny,

     Thanks for the capture! =20
One more night on 184 then I switch back to 137.

73 Warren K2ORS


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: henny van elst=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 3:02 AM
  Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): we2xeb2002.jpg


  capture we2xeb/2
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  henny pa3cpm
  73s

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Henny,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks for the=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One more night on 184 then I switch back to=
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Hello LFers,
DI2AT - there is such station, or I have not correctly accepted?

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Updated my website with captures of DJ6GT, DK6NI, DK8ND, DL4EAU,
F6BIR, UA4WPF, WD2XES and WD2XGJ.


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Joe,

   What is your power and antenna on 184?

73 Warren

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> Hello Henny and LF group,
> 
> There are indeed 3 N's in that capture and traces of several 
> more. This is very impressive.  Thank-you very much!  The TX will remain 
> on on 184.006 kHz for the next week.
> 
> 73
> Joe
> 
> On Mon, 25 Feb 2008, henny van elst wrote:
> 
>> capture vo1na     n   n    n
>> 03:45z
>> henny pa3cpm
>> 73s
>


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Hi Jay, 
 
You'll be able to watch all the European activity in near real time via the  
grabber in the Shetland isles.  Obviously narrow bandwidths work best and  
although beacons are generally at the 503.5 to 504k section of the band, there  
are still a few station who presumably using crystal control who are further  
down the allocation.
 
Any signs of life on your screen can be quickly checked against:
 
_Shetland grabber_ (http://www.gm4slv.org.uk/grabber.htm)  
 
Unfortunately there seems to be no equivalent on the East coast of the USA  
or in VO1 for us to see if our signals are making it over to you. So it's a  
little more hit and miss for us. - But with a little effort I'm sure a two way  
TA contact will happen fairly soon.
 
73
 
David
 
 
 
In a message dated 29/02/2008 11:28:49 GMT Standard Time,  
jrusgrove@comcast.net writes:

Mal...and other T/A enthusiasts

I'm interested in additional W /  EU contacts on 500 kHz. To date the only 
station I've worked is Finbar ...  albeit on three occassions. It would be 
helpful if those interested would  run periods in beacon mode (normal cw 
speed) so that I can listen for your  signals. If I can hear your station, 
you should be able to hear  mine...with the higher ERP from this end. 
Setting up a sked for a  particular night at a particular time is unlikely to 
produce a QSO -  conditions vary widely from day to day, hour to hour and 
even minute to  minute over this path.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS   WE2XGR/2







   

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Dear LF Group,

The M0BMU WOLF 20 beacon is running again on 503.800kHz - got started a bit
late tonight at about 2310utc. Any reports welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Grabber is on Eu window http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg until just after my=20=
dawn at 2300Z

- Its not too noisy here in Singapore at 0400 local and getting reasonable s=
igs from Eu but still fairly rapid and deep qsb.=20

Good luck

Laurence



> From: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2008 17:52:45 +0000
> Subject: LF: XDV beacon on
>
> I shal be running a beacon tonight from 1800 to 0900 using QRSS60,
> transmitting 'XDV' starting at each hour.
>
> Reports are welcome.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>
>
>

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Hi Mal.
Do you have the data for a TT22?, they have an input of 1.9W for 102W rf
output but I don't fancy the 1250V anode voltage.

73
Ken  M0KHW   IO91TV 

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Does  anyone have a spare pair of TT22 tubes. They were popular in old LF/MF
marine equip.
73 de Mal/G3KEV



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Mal...and other NOV holders

Please advise when QRV at higher power...will be happy to take a listen from 
this side of the pond.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


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> New updated NOV arrived this morning, no excuse for weak signals anymore 
> on
> 500 khz
> Mal/G3KEV
> 



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Hi Mal & LF!

Not sure about you are quote right for beaconing.

At moment I trying to RX a MRF station every night, when I will be free=20
for LF radio.
The G/GI stations is not real for RU with they m-m-m-W power. The QRB=20
more 2500 km!
I'm looking only for QRSS10/30/60 stations. This is real choice for us.
When the prop was good for ~1600 Km's distance I rx'd well  OK0EMW,=20
DI2AM. DI2BE, DI2BO, SM6BHZ stations.
In Moscow is not real to make an effective rx antenna systems.
The QRM situation is not so good too.
If you ready to use a 20-40 m's LW on the roof in Moscow- you are lucky!
Because I'm oriented to the simple working conditions for SWLing 500 kHz=20
band.

Of course, in my opinion outlook.
G is need beaconing station in QRSS10/30 with a 5 W EPR minimum  and=20
effective  antenna.

* mal <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> [Sun, 3 Feb 2008 18:18:36 -0000]:
> Does anyone really listen to these beacons at present. In the early=20
days
> they were useful but now there is very little reporting. The majority=20
of
> operators that I speak to do not look for beacons, only real time=20
QSO'S
> .
> If one looks at the odd beacon report it is the same person reporting
> over
> and over and is meaningless. I have not seen a report from any new
> countries
> for a long time, no one listening. even heard a BEACON CQ today from a
> GW
> station that went on for hours!!!!!!!!!!!!
> The preferred mode on this band is normal CW and a real QSO.
> Grabbers are useful for propagation testing when the band is quiet but=20
a
> real qso and report is more authentic and do not forget xband working
> for a
> report from around EU.
> The experienced operator knows when their system is working.
>
> De G3KEV
>

73!
--
RW3ADB, Roman


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Been using Dimension4 for several years now on a number of different 
computers. You can pick any time server and choose the synchronization down 
to seconds - if necessary. Not sure if this is accurate enough for your work 
but it might be worth a look.

http://www.thinkman.com/dimension4/index.htm

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2


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From: Andy Talbot
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Subject: Re: LF: Windows Beacon TX/RX Software .. can anyone code such a 
thing ?


A problem with the scheme you suggest, Graham, is that PC clocks maintain 
time badly, and will drift by several seconds overnight which makes a 
mockery of the idea of precisely timed sequential listening.  They may be 
able to acheive Internet synchronisation, but can this be set up to 
automatically update at the rate you will need, ie. every hour or two based 
on some of the clock drifts I have seen.

That is why the existing beacon chains, both 5MHz and the IBP set, use GPS 
timing.  Passive receiving stations have their timekeeping reset by the 
actual 5MHz transmissions themselves.  On your website, you do mention MSF 
timing, but to do that in real time would consume another receiver / 
soundcard channel.    GPS is the only obvious way to go for transmitting 
stations.   PCs are not reknowned for their timekeeping abilities!

Otherwise, the software is straightforward, although rather a waste of a PC. 
If the GPS is available, then a £1 PIC is all you need to control and key a 
standalone transmitter that doesn't need soundcard drive.

Andy  G4JNT
www.scrbg.org/g4jnt


On 10/02/2008, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
Hi all,



This is something that may be of interest  .. To a programmer or two or
three ? There exists collectively the expertise, but can anyone see a way of
producing the system?


The idea  came initially from the 'Beacon Bedlam' , that existed south of
Watford gap .. about the only time the skip distance on 500 was 'useful' in
that band conditions in the north west where quite quiet, later to  prove a
hindrance,



There already exists a similar system on 5 Mhz , however the transmission
sites are defined and  participation is only possible by 'passive reception'
not too appealing for 'experimentation' This is a 'proposal' the concept is
proven , but 'we' need the
services of a programmer or two !! Similar thing's exist but are coded to
use 'pics' ,



One of the main criteria is , that 'anyone' with a windows based pc should
be able to download and install the tx/rx  software and join in, be it as a
TX station, simply claim a 'time slot' ,  or a passive observer being
presented with all 5 slots as a amplitude/time plot.



One of the  main attractions would be : TX stations will be able to  observe
the other beacons in the chain , eliminating the lonely vigil of being in
perm ante

transmit mode, while providing , at a glance, band conditions  for all
involved as well as reducing tx duty cycle time !



The number of TX stations is proposed as 5 in the chain , more may be
possible , but the time control factor may prove too difficult to achieve
within windows , but cw type software in beacon mode would appear top  make
a reasonable job of time control ?

Click on http://groups.google.com/group/uk500khz/web/the-big-beacon-project
- or copy & paste it into your browser's address bar if that doesn't
work.









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WD2XES will be running in WOLF(10) mode on 137.577 kHz tonight starting 
around 2330 UTC. Reports are welcome.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES


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Tnx Michael for the info. I now have the full story.
73 Mal/G3KEV

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> Hi Mal,
>
>
> > Hi all
> > I cannot get the ofcom page to which John refers for a 500 khz update.
Has
> > anyone got the info.
>
> I've compacted the URL for you: http://tinyurl.com/3xge64
>
>
> --
> vy 73 + gd DX,
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
> --
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>
>


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That systems are working with 'ideal' quality CW signal only.
The other famous shareware program CW skimmer in russia is UA9OSV CwGet:
http://www.dxsoft.com/ru/products/cwget/



* John W Gould <jwgould@iee.org> [Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:54:10 -0000]:
> Not sure if this has been mentioned on this group but an interesting
> piece
> of software by Alex, VE3NEA, called CW Skimmer has recently been made
> available, see
> http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/
>
> Although the software costs $75 one can download a trial version (30
> days).
> It's interesting to see that whilst away from the shack this evening=20
the
> program correctly identified G3KEV (501.9 at 19:35) and also G0MRF
> (503.0 at
> 19:37).   The callsign picking routine must have been designed for the
> HF
> bands, where the protocol is very mature, so got a bit confused with=20
the
> protocol used on 500kHz and eventually decided that David callsign was
> IO91TK!
>
> It seems to need a reasonable S/N, but could be quite useful if one is
> not
> able to personally monitor the band all of the time.  Have others=20
tried
> it?
>
> 73 John, G3WKL
>
>
>
>

--
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VO1NA was off last night and today, but will be on 184.006 kHz tonight.

74
Joe

On Tue, 19 Feb 2008, k2ors@comcast.net wrote:

> Henny,
>
>   I don't think that its Joe VO1NA or WE2XEB - what is the time scale? How=
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>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
> WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
> WE2XEB/2   160-189kHz
> WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz
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Hi Gary and Rik,
Many thanks for the replies. I tried it again and found that
the voltage on pin 7 goes from -12 to +12 when "Key" pressed !
I simply had'nt noticed the polarity change on my voltmeter, Silly
mistake, but I guess all will now be OK.
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Hi Gary and Rik,<br>Many thanks for the replies. I tried it again and found that<br>the voltage on pin 7 goes from -12 to +12 when &quot;Key&quot; pressed !<br>I simply had&#39;nt noticed the polarity change on my voltmeter, Silly<br>
mistake, but I guess all will now be OK.<br>73 Laurie<br>

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Dear LF Group,

The WOLF 20 beacon is running again (from 2230utc) on 503.800kHz with 100mW
ERP. Any reports would be welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Really fascinating!   Tried it at daytime on 30m.

73, Dick, PA0SE

At 20:54 11-2-2008, you wrote:
>Not sure if this has been mentioned on this group but an interesting piece
>of software by Alex, VE3NEA, called CW Skimmer has recently been made
>available, see
>http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/
>
>Although the software costs $75 one can download a trial version (30 days).
>It's interesting to see that whilst away from the shack this evening the
>program correctly identified G3KEV (501.9 at 19:35) and also G0MRF (503.0 at
>19:37).   The callsign picking routine must have been designed for the HF
>bands, where the protocol is very mature, so got a bit confused with the
>protocol used on 500kHz and eventually decided that David callsign was
>IO91TK!
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>It seems to need a reasonable S/N, but could be quite useful if one is not
>able to personally monitor the band all of the time.  Have others tried it?
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>73 John, G3WKL



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.. with RST 429 ... 539 (heavy QSB) in JO42FD .

Calling CQ on 502.4 kHz on 21:30 UTC.

73,
  Wolf DL4YHF .


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Wolf,

Thanks for trying! You could probably narrow WOLF's detection BW down by 
quite a bit, as XGR/3 should be within 10 mHz of the announced 
frequency. That may not work miracles, however.

I have a schedule in another mode at 0200 tonight, but I may be able to 
spend some time in WOLF before and after that. Will post here if I do 
run WOLF.

John Andrews, W1TAG



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Hi Mal,


> Hi all
> I cannot get the ofcom page to which John refers for a 500 khz update. Has
> anyone got the info.

I've compacted the URL for you: http://tinyurl.com/3xge64


-- 
vy 73 + gd DX,

Michael




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J. B. Weazle McCreath wrote:
> Mal wrote:
>
>   
>> No CW since 1974. How can you live without it !!!!! you must miss it !!
>>     
>
> Hi Mal, LFers,
>
> Not at all.  Actually, I've done very little operating with any mode over
> the years of being a ham.  I'm not one for conversation, but I do enjoy
> building and experimenting with antennas very much.  As I said in my
> post, that's the great thing about ham radio, there's something for all
> of us, no matter what our specific interests may be.
>   
Someone once remarked that ham radio was great - just that the QSOs were 
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Mal RST 569 yesterday 502 kc at Joensuu.  73/OH7OL Reino.

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Hi, Mark.

I haven't been listening this evening, but I heard you on Sunday at around
20:50 utc calling GW4HXO. You were peaking RST 559 with the usual QSB.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor SE England
  -----Original Message-----
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  I am calling on 502.250 approx, listening also 3575 KHz, anyone on?
  MRF beacon is strong tonight on main antenna, visible on ferrite rod
occasionall, as is di2ag
  rgds
  Mark GM4ISM IO85AR

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D648430523-19022008><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff   s=
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haven't been listening this evening, but I heard you on Sunday at around 20:=
50=20
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QSB.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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Dave G3WCB IO91RM, nr Windsor SE England</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of=20
  </B>Mark<BR><B>Sent:</B> 18 February 2008 23:14<BR><B>To:</B>=20
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  3575 KHz, anyone on?</FONT></DIV>
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  visible on ferrite rod occasionall, as is di2ag</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>rgds </FONT></DIV>
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Mike

Several fragments like this visible throughout the night - not enough to 
identify but frequency is correct. Time is EST. Nothing from WX.

Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2

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Hi Laurie - yes Im pretty sure its a Loran line - our nearest transmitter is=
 a long way from here up in China I believe.
=20
Conditons about the same to Eu last night - not as good as two nights ago bu=
t great to see anything here!
=20
All sorts of weak sigs seen this morning (Eu evening) - but most are too wea=
k to read.
=20
Repeating RA3YO's "Y" on 136.31748 (or so) Dah high, dot 0.2Hz  low a, weak=20=
qrss 136.3185, 136.3194 ish qrss, and a very slowly going LF qrss sig up (do=
wn) at 136.3205 - :-))
=20
My dawn is around 2320z and things fall off very rapidly as you can imagine,=
ie its now 2348z and I can only just hear DCF39/Budapest audibly.=20
=20
I have an interesting signal Ive not heard before on around 135.70 with a ca=
rrier on for 2 secs off for for 15 or so, variable off lengths - its DX'y an=
d out to my NW as well towards W Asia and Eu.Cranes apart from the Equatoria=
l QRN continue to be my biggest QRM maker - we are surrounded by continuous=20=
+24 hour activity here just a mile from the centre of  Singapore city and th=
eir variable freq drives make musical racket from 30Khz up to 14MHz - awful=20=
noise. On 500Khz its noiser than 137 KHz - and nothing seen save traces of s=
omething that could have been /6 and /20
a few months back. But I keep an eye on 505.180 most nights=20
=20
Noise sources on 500 KHz  are "timer" related to local swimming pool pumps t=
hat start 1 to 1.5 hours pre dawn - and stay on till way after dark spoiling=
 USA openings somewhat.
=20
Thanks for the signals chaps. Hi ho off to work. And apologies for swapping=20=
grabbers each night but it depends on which receiver I  task/assign and keep=
s you on your toes.
=20
Laurence 9 V1 LF Singapore
http://kl1x.com


Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:09:32 +0000From: laurie.mayhead@googlemail.comTo:=20=
rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgSubject: LF: TransmissionI note a Loran? line on=
 136.320 so have eased up to 136.320.5kHzAll reports welcomeLaurie.=20
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Hi Laurie - yes Im pretty sure its a Loran line - our nearest transmitter is=
 a long way from here up in China I believe.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Conditons about the same to Eu last night - not as good as two nights ago bu=
t great to see anything here!<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
All sorts of weak sigs seen this morning (Eu evening) - but most are too wea=
k to read.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Repeating RA3YO's "Y" on 136.31748 (or so) Dah high, dot 0.2Hz &nbsp;low a,=20=
weak qrss 136.3185, 136.3194 ish qrss, and a very slowly going LF qrss sig u=
p (down) at 136.3205 - :-))<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
My dawn is around 2320z and things fall off very rapidly as you can imagine,=
ie its now 2348z and I can only just hear DCF39/Budapest audibly. <BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
I have an interesting signal Ive not heard before on around 135.70 with a ca=
rrier on for 2 secs off for for 15 or so, variable off lengths&nbsp;- its DX=
'y and out to my NW as well towards W Asia and Eu.<BR><BR>Cranes apart from=20=
the Equatorial QRN continue to be my biggest QRM maker - we are surrounded b=
y continuous +24 hour activity here just a mile from the centre of&nbsp; Sin=
gapore city&nbsp;and their variable freq drives make musical racket from 30K=
hz up to 14MHz - awful noise. On 500Khz its noiser than 137 KHz - and nothin=
g seen save traces of something&nbsp;that could have been&nbsp;/6 and /20<BR=
>
a few months back. But I keep an eye on 505.180 most nights <BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Noise sources on 500 KHz &nbsp;are "timer" related to local swimming pool pu=
mps that start 1 to 1.5 hours pre dawn - and stay on till way after dark spo=
iling USA openings somewhat.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Thanks for the signals chaps. Hi ho off to work. And apologies for swapping=20=
grabbers each night but it depends on which receiver I&nbsp; task/assign and=
 keeps you on your toes.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence 9 V1 LF Singapore<BR>
<A href=3D"http://kl1x.com">http://kl1x.com</A><BR>
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Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 21:09:32 +0000<BR>From: laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com=
<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Subject: LF: Transmission<BR><BR>I n=
ote a Loran? line on 136.320 so have eased up to 136.320.5kHz<BR>All reports=
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Hi Rik
Pse try tomorrow morning for a qso during daylight. I will listen for you on
your freq 503 khz
73 Mal/G3KEV

----- Original Message -----
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> Dear all,
>
> propagation on 500 seenms to be good tonight.
> Just worked GI4DPE (559) and G3KEV (599). In particular Mal's signal
> was booming, when he tuned in I thought it was Gus calling ...
>
> I will listen on 501-504 until 22UTC and call CQ once in a while on 503.1
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
>
> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
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As a rough guide to get started, assume the average amateur antenna is 1%
efficient which is doubtful then you would need 100w fed to the antenna.
Since a more realistic efficiency figure might be 0.5% or less you would
need 200w. The average pa efficiency is about 50% therefore you would need
anything between 200 and 400watts dc input to get into the ball park and
generate 1w erp.
A large 1/4 wave inv L antenna might only be 5%  efficient if you are lucky
at this freq, because the vertical part would normally only be a few metres
high with a very long horizontal part.
The antenna environment then needs consideration, buildings, trees, hedges,
other antenna wires in the vicinity. Your 1w erp might effectively be
reduced to  micro watts.
Check the near and far fields.
I recently removed a long wire rx antenna running near my 500 khz antenna
and gained 2 db.
The above info is a rough guide because every radio amateur installation is
different, the antenna efficiency is hard to determine, hence the erp.
73 de Mal/G3KEV


----- Original Message -----
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> That's true , be interesting to  see what kind of power level you need to
> get 1 watt erp
> from such a large antenna array ,  looking at the  calculators carnt be
more
> than   50  watt's
> tops , suppose a lift from 5watts  to  50watts  might help  ?
>
> G ..
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <k2ors@comcast.net>
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> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 9:54 PM
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>
>
> > Graham,
> >
> >   UK to W has only been done a couple of times under the best of
> > conditions, the new power levels might facilitate more contacts,
> > particularly with U.K. stations who don't live near the coast.
> >
> >
> > --
> > 73 Warren K2ORS
> > WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
> > WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
> > WE2XEB/2   160-189kHz
> > WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz
> >
> > FN42hi
> > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> >> Must of missed something here !
> >>
> >> UK to  W  has been done on 100 mW , just takes skill not power !
> >>
> >> G ..
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >> > New updated NOV arrived this morning, no excuse for weak signals
> >> > anymore
> >> > on
> >> > 500 khz
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Hello Jim,
I had a very good and quick copy of your signal last night. I can use
now my new EKD-300 and it looks like it works really good (thanks again
Peter, sq7mpj for the tip to use IF output which avoid the variable cw
pitch issue on the EKD).

vy73
Marco
DD7PC, JN49ax
RX: EKD-300 & PA0DRT MiniWhip, all Wolf settings are standard except
center freq and speed

2008-02-08 22:53:39 >WOLF20  -r 8000.000 -f 700 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  12 f:-0.576 a:-1.1 dp: 69.5 ci:12 cj:273 S6M5XBWEM /DER  ?
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t: 768 f:-0.918 pm:30.07 jm:695 q:  3.3  2.4 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 816 f:-0.918 pm:30.11 jm:695 q:  3.6  2.9 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 864 f:-0.918 pm:30.57 jm:695 q:  3.7  3.1 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 912 f:-0.918 pm:31.14 jm:695 q:  3.9  3.2 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 960 f:-0.918 pm:31.30 jm:695 q:  4.0  3.3 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1008 f:-0.898 pm:32.25 jm:696 q:  4.5  3.3 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1056 f:-0.898 pm:35.27 jm:696 q:  4.9  3.7 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1104 f:-0.898 pm:38.49 jm:696 q:  5.4  4.3 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1152 f:-0.898 pm:44.85 jm:696 q:  6.1  5.2 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1200 f:-0.879 pm:86.03 jm:696 q:  5.5  4.5 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1248 f:-0.879 pm:130.8 jm:697 q:  6.0  5.0 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1296 f:-0.879 pm:134.5 jm:697 q:  6.1  5.1 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1344 f:-0.879 pm:159.0 jm:697 q:  6.7  5.7 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1392 f:-0.879 pm:218.2 jm:697 q:  7.5  6.4 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1440 f:-0.879 pm:249.9 jm:697 q:  8.1  7.0 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1488 f:-0.879 pm:281.7 jm:697 q:  8.6  7.6 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1536 f:-0.879 pm:282.2 jm:697 q:  8.6  7.5 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t:1584 f:-0.879 pm:294.8 jm:697 q:  8.6  7.6 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
2008-02-08 23:20:18 >WOLF20  -r 8000.000 -f 700 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  12 f:-0.084 a: 0.5 dp: 68.3 ci: 1 cj:  0 NV.OURKF8JJP1CC ?
t:  24 f:-0.874 a:-1.4 dp: 65.5 ci: 4 cj:288 FAHIP/JOG78QSMX ?
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t:  96 f:-0.859 pm:5.491 jm:384 q: -7.3 -7.6 2AV*GIR84M06 W7 ?
t: 144 f:-0.859 pm:17.54 jm:384 q: -0.5 -0.6 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 192 f:-0.879 pm:46.45 jm:384 q:  3.0  2.8 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 240 f:-0.879 pm:48.20 jm:384 q:  3.6  3.4 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 288 f:-0.859 pm:80.25 jm:384 q:  6.0  6.0 WOLF DE M0BMU   -
t: 336 f:-0.859 pm:134.9 jm:384 q:  7.5  7.5 WOLF DE M0BMU   -=20

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz
Sent: 09 February 2008 00:16
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: M0BMU WOLF Beacon

Dear LF Group,

The WOLF 20 beacon is running again (from 2250utc) on 503.800kHz with
100mW ERP. Any reports would be very welcome.

Thanks to SM6LKM for the reception report - the usual problem people
have receiving WOLF is getting the correct calibration of audio sample
rate and receiver frequency offset set up. But  I was interested to see
Johan has used nominal settings, and it looks like these are just right.
I guess if you are using an SDR system with a "virtual" sound card
feeding data to the WOLF decoder, the sampling clock in the SDR defines
both the receive frequency and the "audio" sample rate. So in this case
there will only be one unknown requiring calibration , which could be
done using any convenient carrier, making life much simpler.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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on 502 kHz, 569 "armchair copy" in NW-DL now.

If possible, xband 80m ?

73,
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Hello Uwe,
capture 21.28z.
73!

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Dear all, 

heard GI4DPE beaconing with good signal on 501,3 kHz around 22.45 UTC in
JN68GN. Signal about 6 dB above noise, S-meter moving when keying. Some
QSB observed. Not found any more at about 23.45 UTC.

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB 


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Congrats Henny on another copy of the weak signals!
Your RX station is working well.
73 Joe VO1NA

On Wed, 20 Feb 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> capture vo1na
> 184006khz


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I dunno, but a dB can make a lot of difference here -every dB is in my mind=20=
is valuable as it gains that little s over n even at LF. As I have a BIG n =20=
(sic) ill take that dB please.
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Long haul to Eu is still rather odd with deep QSB but peaks are good - congr=
ats on getting the 184 across the pond.
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Looking forward to seeing and hearing some signals in a few weeks and gettin=
g away from the heat - Ill be mobile /5 Texas and Oklahoma and /KL7 for a co=
uple of weeks in March.
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9M/G4DMA mobile avoiding the water cannons, enroute 9V1
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<BR>I dunno, but&nbsp;a dB can make a lot of difference here -every dB is in=
 my mind is valuable as it gains that little s over n even at LF. As I have=20=
a BIG n&nbsp; (sic) ill take that dB please.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Long haul to Eu is still rather odd with deep QSB but peaks are good - congr=
ats on getting the 184 across the pond.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Looking forward to seeing and hearing some signals in a few weeks and gettin=
g away from the heat&nbsp;- Ill be mobile /5 Texas and Oklahoma and /KL7 for=
 a couple of weeks in March.<BR>
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Hello OM F4DTL
thank you for the nice picture. Your antenna must be very good. The 
noise level seams to be very low.
I am transmitting several modulation modes. The sequence is repeated 
every hour.
All modes (not FSK) can be decoded with Sectrum Lab.
Chirped Hell can directly seen on the srceen. The frequency range for 
Chirped Hell1 is about 20Hz
and for Chirped Hell3 8Hz.
Goo luck
Perhaps I get an another rapport from you?

Modulations art

    

Bezeichnung

    

Geschwindigkeit

    

Sendebeginn je Stunde

    

Erstellt mit

    

Empfang

mit

    

Text

CW

    

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10  W/Min

    

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CW

    

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Diverse

    

DI2AT JN59NO

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CW

    

DFCW3

    

3   Sek/Pkt

    

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SpecLab

    

DI2AT JN59NO

PSK

    

PSK31

    

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PSK

    

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30 Min

    

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SpecLab

    

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MSK

    

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35 Min

    

SpecLab

    

SpecLab

    

DI2AT JN59NO.+++

MSK

    

MSK08

    

50 W/Min

    

40 Min

    

SpecLab

    

SpecLab

    

DI2AT JN59NO +++

PSK

    

QPSK08

    

10 W/Min

    

45 Min

    

SpecLab

    

SpecLab

    

DI2AT JN59NO +++

FSK

    

FSK31

    

40 W/Min

    

50 Min

    

MixW

    

MixW

    

DI2AT JN59NO +++

HELL

    

Chirped Hell

    

2.7 Z/S

    

55 Min

    

SpecLab

    

SpecLab

    

DI2AT JN59NO


74 de
Roland DI3AT / DL3NDR

F4DTL@aol.com schrieb:
> Hello Roland, good copy again tonight,thanx for this new MF beacon.
>  
>  
> *F4DTL in JN18FP
>
> RX : IC 7400
> Ant: active loop LFL 1010*
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>



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Zitat von John Andrews <w1tag@w1tag.com>:

> Mike,
>
> Nothing seen of you or Uwe overnight.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG
>
Hi John,
nevertheless, thanks for monitoring.

regards
Uwe/dj8wx





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Hello Joe ,

On 184,006 kHz :
Last night , nil for VO1NA
Today the noise returned almost normal ! I hope for a good propagation the next night .

The captures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/VO1NA/

73 J-P f1afj




















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TRY CW, even qrsd 3 would be better.

----- Original Message -----
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> Hi John,
>
> Nothing decoded here. The decoder locked in on a frequency about 0.9 Hz
> above the theoretic value for a couple of WOLF frames, but that's all.
> The local noise (especially in that part of the band) is high -similar
> as on GM4ISM's site-, and I am not sure if the frequency stability of
> the FT-897 is sufficient for really weak signals.   It used to work with
> Jim's transmission, though.
>
> Will keep trying with different antennas if you plan other tests.
>
> Cheers,
>    Wolf DL4YHF .
>
> John Andrews schrieb:
> > WE2XGR/3 will run in WOLF(10) mode on 508.500 kHz tonight, starting
> > around 2330 UTC. Reports are welcome.
> >
> > John Andrews, W1TAG
> >
> >
> >
>
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SM6BHZ cq on 503 khz nw calling u Gus but you are not hearing me so far. Pse
tune across the band lower down. I am on 502.7 khz
de Mal/G3KEV


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Zitat von Andrey RN3AGC <rn3agc@mail.ru>:

> Hello Mike and Uwe,
> capture last night 22.50-05.20z : 
> http://www.cln.ru/~efremov/137/0802170519-dj8wx-90-g3xdv-60.jpg
> My loc: KO85sv
> 73!
>
>

Hello Andrey,
thanks agn
73
Uwe/dj8wx



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ok,
mvgr.henny..........
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  capture yo?
  18:30z henny pa3cpm
  73s

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>I note a Loran? line on 136.320 so have eased up to 136.320.5kHz
> All reports welcome
> Laurie.
>

Hello Laurie,
capture last night 23.30z
73!

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On 16/02/2008 at 19:21 G4gvw@aol.com wrote:

[ ... ]

>silver wire and tuning coils wound on varnished bog-roll
You mean you _varnished_ your bog-rolls?

>My family have been instructed, that should I suffer some incapacitating il=
lness that appears to deprive me of  speech they should try using the morse=20=
code in various audible, tactile and  visual forms!=20

A couple of examples of using Morse in similar circumstances:=20

1) About 20 years ago the son of a Belgian amateur was in hospital after a r=
oad traffic accident.  The lad was unable to speak, but had been learning Mo=
rse, so was provided with a key and buzzer and could then communicate.  His=20=
first request was for a drink of grape juice.

2) About 1969, a team at Standard Telecommunications Laboratories produced a=
 voice writer for an amateur who had considerable difficulty speaking.  I do=
n't think he used it on air but he made Morse sounds into the microphone and=
 the results were printed out.

John F5VLF
PS I am copying Pat's suggestion to my XYL in case... In the meantime, I agr=
ee with Pat that we should not disparage technology.  I have had a wrist pro=
blem for a long time and have not used a straight key for years.  This e-mai=
l is being dictated using voice recognition software and I hope later this y=
ear to be back on the air using an iambic keyer or something similar




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Mike,

Nothing seen of you or Uwe overnight.

John Andrews, W1TAG

Mike Dennison wrote:
> I have moved my beacon 0.25Hz lower to 136.3185kHz as DJ8WX is on 
> 136.3190 instead of his usual frequency.
>From 1900 it will start on each hour.


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New updated NOV arrived this morning, no excuse for weak signals anymore on
500 khz
Mal/G3KEV


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Hi LF
   
  Here Here.
   
  What good news!!
   
  73 to all concerned.
   
   Petefmt

Ken Wright <ken.h.wright@btinternet.com> wrote:
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  I think we should give a vote of thanks to every one who worked to achieve the 500kHz NoV extension and power increase.
   
  73   Ken   M0KHW  IO91TV



       
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<DIV>Hi LF</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>Here Here.</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>What good news!!</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>73 to all concerned.</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;Petefmt<BR><BR><B><I>Ken Wright &lt;ken.h.wright@btinternet.com&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">  <META content="Microsoft Word 11 (filtered medium)" name=Generator>  <STYLE>  <!--   /* Style Definitions */   p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal   {margin:0cm;   margin-bottom:.0001pt;   font-size:12.0pt;   font-family:"Times New Roman";}  a:link, span.MsoHyperlink   {color:blue;   text-decoration:underline;}  a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed   {color:purple;   text-decoration:underline;}  span.EmailStyle17   {mso-style-type:personal-compose;   font-family:Arial;   color:windowtext;}  @page Section1   {size:612.0pt 792.0pt;   margin:72.0pt 90.0pt 72.0pt 90.0pt;}  div.Section1  
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Mal

We're on the same page. Unattended beaconing has it's place, though,  for 
propagation studies.

All three QSOs with Finbar started with one or the other station hearing the 
other's beacon. None of the beacon periods were pre-arranged. When one end 
heard the other end well enough for an attempted QSO an e mail was sent 
alerting the other operator. In at least one case there was a delay (on my 
end) of at least a half hour in retreiving e mail while busy working on the 
bench. We completed the QSO nonetheless.

I don't see much difference between using e mail or an HF link, other than 
the HF link is real time. Once a QSO attempt begins all communication via 
these means must cease...unless you're attempting an X band QSO.

I'm home and available most evenings and will be happy to look for any T/A 
signals on cw, QRSS1, QRSS3...or any other mode for that matter.

Jay





----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: LF: Re: TA on 500kHz


> Hi Jay
> I have heard your signal on 500 khz and a qso would have been possible
> provided you could hear me. The Ohio grabber would be useful as an 
> indicator
> when u are active.
> Because of my 1W limit condx would need to be good and there has been
> suitable openings in the past. If normal speed cw does not work probably 
> the
> next best thing would be QRS 1 sec dot and not more than 3 sec dot max, at
> slower QRS speed qsb would be the problem leading to gaps and guesswork.
> I managed a QSO perfectly well with VE1ZZ at normal speed cw because I was
> able to exchange rst and other info on the peaks of my signal, whereas QRS
> would not have worked. It is really being in the right place at the right
> time.
> Beacon acty would be an indicator for you if propagation was optimum but
> unattended beacons would be pointless, if one was not in a position to go
> into QSO mode immediately given the right conditions.
> To respond immediately a link on 3.5/7 mhz would be useful to indicate 
> copy
> at either end and the link needs to be monitored in real time for a quick
> response.
> As far as I can see this is the only approach that will work.
> 73 de Mal/G3KEV
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <jrusgrove@comcast.net>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:27 AM
> Subject: LF: TA on 500kHz
>
>
>> Mal...and other T/A enthusiasts
>>
>> I'm interested in additional W / EU contacts on 500 kHz. To date the only
>> station I've worked is Finbar ... albeit on three occassions. It would be
>> helpful if those interested would run periods in beacon mode (normal cw
>> speed) so that I can listen for your signals. If I can hear your station,
>> you should be able to hear mine...with the higher ERP from this end.
>> Setting up a sked for a particular night at a particular time is unlikely
> to
>> produce a QSO - conditions vary widely from day to day, hour to hour and
>> even minute to minute over this path.
>>
>> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "mal" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:11 AM
>> Subject: LF: Re: TA on 500kHz
>>
>>
>> > Nice qso g3/vo.
>> > Joe if you would like to try a cw qso xband before the winter runs out,
>> > let
>> > me know , others might want to participate also.
>> > 73 de Mal/G3KEV
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Peter Dodd" <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
>> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> > Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:37 AM
>> > Subject: LF: TA on 500kHz
>> >
>> >
>> >> Hello LFers,
>> >> I had a xband QSO with Joe, VO1NA at around 2230UTC this evening. My
>> >> QRSS3 transmission was on 501.193kHz. I listened for Joe on 7000.5kHz.
>> >> My report was M and I had to repeat his report of 569.
>> >>
>> >> Regards
>> >> Peter, G3LDO
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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> 



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Jim,
It depends what date you got your current NOV. Renewal for some could be
June/July etc, the DX season will be over, fortunately mine was dated end
Feb.
 I am  now building a new TX to generate suitable rf output for 1w erp.
73 de Mal/G3KEV

----- Original Message -----
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> Dear LF Group,
>
> The WOLF 20 beacon is running again (from 2310utc) on 503.800kHz with
100mW
> ERP. Any reports would be very welcome.
>
> Thanks for all the reports and suggestions re the WOLF transmissions. At
the
> moment, I am in the middle of rearranging the shack here - when I get
things
> sorted out a bit more, I will try some tests with a different mode,
perhaps
> JT2. When my new 500kHz NoV turns up, I will try some further WOLF tests
> with higher power levels.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
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Thanks Mal,
Thats a relief !
73 Laurie

On 02/02/2008, mal <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> wrote:
>
>  Laurie.
> I can hr that warble, think it is someone using an appliance mode.
> de Mal/g3kev
>
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> *Sent:* Saturday, February 02, 2008 1:31 PM
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>
> What is "warble " signal ON TOP of G0MRF Becon?,   503.7 kHz if no one
> else hears
> this then I have a  bad case of breakthrough !
>
> Thanks Laurie
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Thanks Mal,<br>Thats a relief !<br>73 Laurie<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 02/02/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">mal</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:g3kevmal@talktalk.net">g3kevmal@talktalk.net</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">






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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">Laurie.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I can hr that warble, think it is someone using an 
appliance mode.</font></div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">de Mal/g3kev</font></div>
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  <div><br></div>What is &quot;warble &quot; signal ON TOP of G0MRF Becon?, &nbsp; 503.7 
  kHz if no one else hears<br>this then I have a&nbsp; bad case of breakthrough 
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 1:06 PM
Subject: LF: Re: NOV UPDATE


> Dear Mal, Graham, LF Group,
>
> G3KEV wrote:
> > As a rough guide to get started, assume the average amateur antenna is
1%
> > efficient which is doubtful then you would need 100w fed to the antenna.
> > Since a more realistic efficiency figure might be 0.5% or less you would
> > need 200w.
>
> This is incorrect. The ERP could be calculated as:
>
> P(erp) = (TX power) x (Antenna efficiency) x (Antenna directivity)

We all know about eirp and dipoles.
>
> The directivity of a small vertical antenna over the dipole reference is a
> factor of 1.8 (2.6dB), so 100W into such an antenna with 1% efficiency
would
> give 1.8W ERP.
>
> >The average pa efficiency is about 50% therefore you would need
> > anything between 200 and 400watts dc input to get into the ball park and
> > generate 1w erp.
>
> For the class D or E PA stages many of us are using, 70% - 90% PA
efficiency
> would be more realistic.
>
The majority are using LINEAR PA'S at 50% efficiency for their appliance
type modes and only a few of us using cw have class D or E pa's.


> > A large 1/4 wave inv L antenna might only be 5%  efficient if you are
> lucky
> > at this freq, because the vertical part would normally only be a few
> metres
> > high with a very long horizontal part.
> > The antenna environment then needs consideration, buildings, trees,
> hedges,
> > other antenna wires in the vicinity.
>
> The field strength and impedance measurements I did on my own antenna at
my
> home QTH, basically an inverted L about 10m high and 40m long, gave an
> efficiency of about 0.6% at 500k, so I need around 90W TX to get 1W ERP.
> Increasing the height in the centre of the span to 14m roughly doubled the
> efficiency, which would reduce the power requirement to 45W. The
> environmental effects, giving rise to increased loss resistance and
reduced
> radiation resistance due to screening effects on the antenna by nearby
> objects, are quite large. The same 10m high antenna in an open field had
> about 3.6% efficiency, due to reduced environmental losses and screening,
so
> would only need 15W TX out for 1W ERP. The much bigger antennas at G3KEV
> should certainly have greater efficiency than my antennas, so would
probably
> only need a few watts from the transmitter to achieve 1W ERP - I guess the
> heaters of Mal's TT22s will be drawing more power than the anodes!

That WOULD be true if I was using the TT22 tx, which I am not.

>
> >Your 1w erp might effectively be
> > reduced to  micro watts.
> > Check the near and far fields.
>
> > I recently removed a long wire rx antenna running near my 500 khz
antenna
> > and gained 2 db.
> > The above info is a rough guide because every radio amateur installation
> is
> > different, the antenna efficiency is hard to determine, hence the erp.
>
> The antenna efficiency can't realistically be determined without field
> strength measurements - if these are not available, a better approach to
> estimating ERP is to calculate the radiation resistance of the antenna
from
> its dimensions (see formulas in RSGB handbook, LF today, ON7YD's antenna
web
> pages, etc.) Then the ERP can be estimated by measuring the antenna
current:
>
> P(erp) = 1.8 x Rrad x (Iant)^2
>
> This method inherently includes the effect of  loss resistance due to
> environmental effects, loading coil, etc. but does not include the
radiation
> resistance reduction due to the environment - but it is still a much
better
> estimate than trying to guess what the antenna efficiency will be.
>
Most of what you say is theoritical and guesswork, in reality you could be
at least 10 db out and that makes a big difference.
Your figures in the past on 137 khz varied between 6 and 10 db by your own
admission.
Amateur radio design and applications on MF and LF are not an exact science.
Mal/G3KEV

> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
>
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Gentlemen and ladies,



We appear to  be in the company of a very rare occurrence , a French pirate 
.



The last documented individual aptly name 'Olivier The Mouth' apparently ran 
off and hid on the ivory  coast, not quite the governor of Jamaica route to 
fame , nor is messing about with G 2 letter call sign's.





-duty-













----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John RABSON" <john.rabson@wanadoo.fr>
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On 31/01/2008 at 12:18 John Pumford-Green GM4SLV wrote:

>That 477 is an interesting report!
>
>"Readable with practically no difficulty, moderately strong signals,
>near pure tone with trace of ripple modulation."
>
>Don't hear too many "non-T9" reports these days...

Last weekennd in between DIYing, I had a quick listen on 40 m and went back 
to a G6 two-letter call who was calling CQ Contest.  I signed Foxtrot 5 
Victor Lima Foxtrot.  He came back to me:

"G9VLF you are 59 etc"

With a call of that antiquity, he should have known that G9 calls are not 
issued to the ordinary radio amateur.  Also, as he got my prefix wrong I was 
not 59.

73
John F5VLF







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My loc: KO85SV
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The LWCA website including the bulletin board is shutting down March 8th until some time in April.

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Hello,
Copied this morning very strong DL4EAU and much weaker PA3CW (not 100%
sure about the call) on 137.700KHz.

Wish all a nice sunny sunday
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Update:  THANKS for the 2nd xband QSO, Mal.

With my poor attic dipole for 80 meters my signal cannot have been too 
strong there, so glad it worked again.

BTW, GW4HXO was 539 on 502 kHz here at times.

.-.-.
>
> Hrd Mal calling qsx 3533, but couldn't raise his attention so far ;-)
>
> hpe cul,
> 73 ,   Wolf  DL4YHF .
>
>
>



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Mine also arrived this morning, just got the new PA finished in time.
de Mal/G3KEV=20
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        Hi All -



        Nov renewal arrived this morning - 0dBW erp "immediate effect"=20



        Brian (G3YKB)
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Since the weather is calm and dry I will beacon again this 
evening/tonight from 1800 to 0900, start synched with each hour. 
Frequency 136.3185kHz. Mode QRSS60.

Thanks for the DX reports (even the negative ones).

Mike, G3XDV
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Dear LF Group,

The WOLF 20 beacon is running again (from 2235utc) on 503.800kHz with 100mW
ERP. Any reports would be very welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Hello Wolf,

not yet ...
My only antenna at the moment is the 500 kHz antenna and it is =20
absolutely deaf on HF (as it should be).
My stations is still put together with pieces of string.
Next weeks will be busy, but I hope to put a decent station together =20
mid-february, with a bit more power and a wire antenna to listen on HF.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting Wolfgang B=C3=BCscher <dl4yhf@freenet.de>:

> Hello Rik,
>
> Good signal from you also, during your QSO with Finbar; 549 here in
> JO42FD . Any chance for crossband (80m) ?
>
> 73, Wolf DL4YHF
>
> Rik Strobbe schrieb:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> propagation on 500 seenms to be good tonight.
>> Just worked GI4DPE (559) and G3KEV (599). In particular Mal's  =20
>> signal was booming, when he tuned in I thought it was Gus calling ...
>>
>> I will listen on 501-504 until 22UTC and call CQ once in a while on 503.1
>>
>> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>



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Good evening my friends of the LF,

I will have to stop my activity LF, I have between 20 and 30 dB
of noise moreover! (this noise is of human origin) and I can nothing
make there ! Tomorrow I will stop the grabber, and I will go towards
other less polluted activities.
Afflicted to leave world LF, but I am constrained there.

73 qro Jean-Pierre F1AFJ
















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Same here for Eu night 19th - I have some small paints on Argo but nothing d=
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Towards Eu Long haul >8000KMs conditions are definately improving from this=20=
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=20
=20
Laurence
Singapore> : Re: LF: 136k beacon on> > Mike,> > Nothing seen last night betw=
een 0200 and 0700 UTC.> > John A., W1TAG> >=20
_________________________________________________________________
Shed those extra pounds with MSN and The Biggest Loser!
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Same here for Eu night 19th - I have some small paints on Argo but nothing d=
ecoded.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Towards Eu Long haul &gt;8000KMs conditions are definately improving from th=
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Singapore<BR><BR>&gt; : Re: LF: 136k beacon on<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Mike,<BR>&gt=
; <BR>&gt; Nothing seen last night between 0200 and 0700 UTC.<BR>&gt; <BR>&g=
t; John A., W1TAG<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR><br /><hr />Shed those extra pounds w=
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...trying this post again...

Glimpse of WX and YO last night early. Unfortunately, no overnight captures 
due to power 'blink'.  Will continue monitoring.

Capture time in EST.

 Jay

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Zitat von Andrey RN3AGC <rn3agc@mail.ru>:

> Hello Uwe and Mike,
> capture last night 01.40z.
> My loc: KO85sv
> 73!

Thanks, Andrey
nice capture
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----- Original Message -----
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 1:56 AM
Subject: LF: Re: NOV UPDATE


> Dear Mal, LF Group,
>
> You wrote:
> > Most of what you say is theoritical and guesswork, in reality you could
be
> > at least 10 db out and that makes a big difference.
> > Your figures in the past on 137 khz varied between 6 and 10 db by your
own
> > admission.
>
> Actually, what I said is backed by hundreds of practical measurements by
> myself and others. With care, the results are very consistent; I find that
> field strength measurements are repeatable within +/-1dB for a particular
> antenna.
>
> The measured ERP with an antenna in an "open field" location will agree
> quite accurately with the theoretical ERP calculations from antenna
current
> and dimensions. Antennas in less-than-ideal environments give measured ERP
> that is less than the theoretical ERP. This is not surprising, since the
> simple theoretical formulae make no attempt to model environmental
effects.
> For  the antennas I have tested at my QTH, the reduction in ERP is about
3 -
> 6 dB. This is a characteristic of a particular antenna and its
environment,
> not any kind of error.
Again Jim by your own admission you could be between 3 - 6 db either way,
in reality ie 2x to 4x the permitted 1w, ie 2w - 4w or 0.5w- 0.25w.
>
> > Amateur radio design and applications on MF and LF are not an exact
> science.
> > Mal/G3KEV
>
> No experimental science is exact, but using simple calculations and
> measurements with a tape measure and an RF ammeter, you can come up with a
> figure for radiated power that is within a few dB
When a tolerance is specified, you mention a few db, that means as I have
stated above a mere 3db doubles the power or 6 db increases it by 4 times.
The point that I am making is except calculations and field results are the
exact, which they seldom are especially in an amateur radio context, the
experiment only puts one in the ball park.
Having said that even if there is an anamoly of 3 - 6 db in ones favour it
only makes the received signal a max of 1S point stronger, hardly
discernable amongst the general noise on LF/MF, however one should aim to
achieve the permitted power and not exceed it.
I have covered other considerations before, like field strength near/far
field measurements.
Mal/g3kev



 of the correct value at LF
> or MF. This is remarkable when compared to antenna measurements in most
> other parts of the spectrum.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
>
> --
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Henny, Jean-Pierre,

    Thank you for the reports and capture!=20
Goodbye to 184kHz, back to 137kHz this night!

73 Warren K2ORS

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  Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 8:31 AM
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  capture we2xeb/2
  184005 time 02:30z
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Hello Uwe and Mike,
capture last night 01.40z.
My loc: KO85sv
73!

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Mike,

Nothing seen last night between 0200 and 0700 UTC.

John A., W1TAG

Mike Dennison wrote:
> It will be calm and dry here for a couple more nights so the beacon 
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Hi Marco, LF group
oops'  !
instead of  posting to the reflector i sent my mail to you.
i am sorry...
                       73 de peter , sq7mpj  /jo91rs/



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Despite the interest in 500kHz, there is still activity on 136kHz. In 
the last few weeks, I have worked F6BWO, F6BIR, PA3CPM, DL4EAU, and 
DJ6GT. Also, a partial with RA3YO. There has been activity from S5 
and I. Today I heard PA0SE testing in QRSS1, at 559. Beacon activity 
has been seen from UA4WPF and DJ8WX.

Mike, G3XDV
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Hi Henny,
Thank-you for the observing and reporting the signals.

73
Joe VO1NA

On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> capture vo1na  184006 khz
> time  01:00
> henny pa3cpm  jo22mb
> 73s


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One man was recommend to me a SkySwepper PRO for the morse decoding.
That software use a neuronet algorithm for the morse decoding.
He is mistaken not so often then CWGet or other soft with any algorithm.
But I don't test it personally.

CWGet is need 1 chapter for synchronize  a decode process.
If your have a QSB signal decoder re-synchronize each time when the=20
level of the signal up-n-down across the level border into program and=20
decoding process will be bad.
I use a GWGet so often for decode a NDB, CW on DX'ng, trying to use for=20
decode a CW from HAM-SAT.
You need a 'crystal' CW signal w/o QRM and QSB then the decode process=20
will be good.


* mal <g3kevmal@talktalk.net> [Fri, 15 Feb 2008 16:40:25 -0000]:
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jan Verduyn" <jan.verduyn@gmail.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 12:37 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: CW Skimmer
> It is virtually impossible for a machine to read poor morse because=20
when
> the
> elements are split up you get a different character to that intended.
>
>
> > I expect it is only a matter of time before CW Skimmer will cope=20
with
> poor
> > quality CW signals, similarly to what CWGet is apparently capable=20
of.
> > Just a case of implementing an the algorithm. If I had to name
> software
> > authors who are capable of doing this than Alex the author of CW
> Skimmer
> > would be at the top of my list...
> >
> > It's not that many years ago that a skilled CW operator beat the PC=20
at
> > decoding CW signals just below noiselevel...with QRSS this has now
> been
> > accepted that a PC does better.
> >
> > I ran CW Skimmer during 160m contest on 26th Jan and it decoded some
> 130+
> > stations using a softrock RX... extremely impressive software
> What about the 700 plus that you missed.
>
> >
> > Jan G0BBL
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roman ." <rw3adb@rambler.ru>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:34 AM
> > Subject: Re: LF: CW Skimmer
> >
> >
> > That systems are working with 'ideal' quality CW signal only.
> > The other famous shareware program CW skimmer in russia is UA9OSV
> CwGet:
> > http://www.dxsoft.com/ru/products/cwget/
> >
> >
> >
> > * John W Gould <jwgould@iee.org> [Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:54:10 -0000]:
> > > Not sure if this has been mentioned on this group but an=20
interesting
> > > piece
> > > of software by Alex, VE3NEA, called CW Skimmer has recently been
> made
> > > available, see
> > > http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/
> > >
> > > Although the software costs $75 one can download a trial version=20
(30
> > > days).
> > > It's interesting to see that whilst away from the shack this=20
evening
> > the
> > > program correctly identified G3KEV (501.9 at 19:35) and also G0MRF
> > > (503.0 at
> > > 19:37).   The callsign picking routine must have been designed for
> the
> > > HF
> > > bands, where the protocol is very mature, so got a bit confused=20
with
> > the
> > > protocol used on 500kHz and eventually decided that David callsign
> was
> > > IO91TK!
> > >
> > > It seems to need a reasonable S/N, but could be quite useful if=20
one
> is
> > > not
> > > able to personally monitor the band all of the time.  Have others
> > tried
> > > it?
> > >
> > > 73 John, G3WKL
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Roman ..
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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> >
>

--
Roman ..

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Dave
The fashion today is to avoid morse and the soldering iron. My message did
not say avoid other radio amateurs.
73 de Mal/g3kev

----- Original Message -----
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> mal wrote:
>
>  > The average radio amateur today is an appliance operator and probably
>  > never heard about morse code or a soldering iron. Avoid them both!!
>  > G3KEV
>
> Hi Mal
> how can you know when to avoid a licenced radio amateur, how do you
> describe "average"?
> You do not "see" them but only have a call-sign to go by.
> What are your terms of reference to make such a statement?
>
>   Many of us suffered strokes or worse during our amateur career and
> thus became unable to remember and use CW well enough to "pass a test",
> and thus were barred from the HF bands.
>
> Fortunately this has been corrected and we "so called" Class B licencees
> could enjoy a taste of the HF bands denied to us, not because of lack of
> ability but due to impairments.
> Despite being visually impaired now from stroke induced brain damage, I
> can still use a soldering iron and construct-takes more time and more
> care, but I get there!
>
> CW retention and use is no longer a possibility though!
>
> I operate without causing interference to others and know how to and am
> able to  construct and repair test equipment and modern transceivers.
>
> Does this make me a leper in your eyes?
>
> It matters not to me whether you Mal, or your ilk, avoids me when I
> eventually get onto LF bands, but  I would welcome a more understanding
> attitude from you/them, and less bigoted comments concerning those not
> blessed with your/their abilities.
> Perhaps some died in the wool CW operators should look outside of their
> box before using voice or keyboard and passing judgement!
> dave
> G8SZX  Glenfield Leicester IO92jp
> webpage
> www.g8szx.mediumwaveradio.org
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >     ----- Original Message -----
> >     *From:* G4gvw@aol.com <mailto:G4gvw@aol.com>
> >     *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> >     <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> >     *Sent:* Friday, February 15, 2008 11:23 PM
> >     *Subject:* Re: LF: CW Skimmer
> >
> >     Actualy I do not agree with that statement. It is only in the
> >     present state of the art that you might say that a machine cannot
> >     read poorly sent morse. It is not so many years ago that the present
> >     state of the art was considered beyond the reach of machines!
> >
> >     It is surely not beyond the wit of man to imagine that a future
> >     generation of machines and their programmes (I hesitate to use the
> >     word software deliberately) might not only decode a data stream
> >     called "morse" but actually interpret its "meaning" using rules
> >     based on language, useage and machine-based artificial intelligence!
> >
> >     In the same way that the modern radio amateur has become an operator
> >     of "black boxes" who is to say that the next generation of Black
> >     Boxes will not become an operator of radio amateurs?
> >
> >     Some would say that this is alraeady the case!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >     73 de Pat G4GVW es gd dx
> >     Qth near Felixstowe, UK
> >
>
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>
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Jean-Pierre,

It is good that you can see traces. Your noise problem has improved?

Thank-you for monitoring.
73
Joe

On Sat, 23 Feb 2008, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:

> Hello  all on LF ,
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> Last night i copy  :
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> RA3YO on 136   ( on the Grabber )
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> VO1NA on 184 ( traces )
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> The captures of night are at :
> http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/
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> 73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
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Scholz, Marco wrote:

>Hello,
>Yesterday evening i compared my Receiver FT-857 & Miniwhip against
>EKD-300 & Miniwhip and as expected the EKD was much better. I received
>very early the beacon of GI4DPE and later i had a good copy of G0MRF.
>However still not happy with the EKD-300 due the variable CW Pitch
>(500-1200Hz). Really hard to set a CW pitch which is exactly 700 or
>800Hz. Very quickly the signal is +/-20Hz and then the QRSS signal is
>out of the Spectran range. I also failed to receive the WOLF signal of
>M0BMU with the FT-857 it's no problem.
>Does anyone know how to set a fix CW pitch on the EKD (maybe it's a
>modification)?
>
>v73
>Marco
>
>DD7PC, JN49ax
>
>  
>
Dear  Marco, LF group

i am also a happy owner of the  EKD-300 and sure, you are right about 
the CW pitch 'flow'  in this receiver.
well, i suggest to  use its 200 kHz  IF output on the rear panel.  for 
example, you could make a downconverter
 which is 'equivalent' to local oscillator and the mixer. the local 
oscillator  can be realized easily by a  crystal with
 an appropriate frequency division and then the celebrated NE612 as a 
mixer so you could  end up with 'new' IF frequency
 in the range 10-20 kHz  directly injected into your sound card . the 
rest is done nicely by  a  Wolf's DL4YHF Spectrum Lab
absolutely superb software.
the other way to overcome your problem, the "fast" one,  is to use 
ekd-300 and ft857 together - you can 'feed' directly ft857
 with ekd-300 200 khz IF output . i have made short cable  connecting  
ekd's IF output with an antenna input of ft857
then you set the dial in ft857 as  200 kHz and the rest is obvious ie. 
'digital' cw pitch etc..
BTW. i did succeed with  Jim's M0BMU WOLF 20 transmission on several 
occasions using only ft857. 
ft857 has a nice and helpful feature  named  DSP CW Peaking Filter [ row 
"p" - DNR,DNF,DBF] - the center frequency of this DSP filter
is automatically aligned with your selected CW pitch , say, 600 Hz in my 
case and via the menu mode 45
 you can select the desired bandwidth of this filter ( 60, 120,240 Hz).

                                                   73 de peter, sq7mpj  
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Scholz, Marco wrote:
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  <pre wrap=3D"">Hello,
Yesterday evening i compared my Receiver FT-857 &amp; Miniwhip against
EKD-300 &amp; Miniwhip and as expected the EKD was much better. I received
very early the beacon of GI4DPE and later i had a good copy of G0MRF.
However still not happy with the EKD-300 due the variable CW Pitch
(500-1200Hz). Really hard to set a CW pitch which is exactly 700 or
800Hz. Very quickly the signal is +/-20Hz and then the QRSS signal is
out of the Spectran range. I also failed to receive the WOLF signal of
M0BMU with the FT-857 it's no problem.
Does anyone know how to set a fix CW pitch on the EKD (maybe it's a
modification)?

v73
Marco

DD7PC, JN49ax

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Dear=C2=A0 Marco, LF group<br>
<br>
i am also a happy owner of the=C2=A0 EKD-300 and sure, you are right about
the CW pitch 'flow'=C2=A0 in this receiver.<br>
well, i suggest to=C2=A0 use its 200 kHz=C2=A0 IF output on the rear panel.=
=C2=A0 for
example, you could make a downconverter<br>
=C2=A0which is 'equivalent' to local oscillator and the mixer. the local
oscillator=C2=A0 can be realized easily by a=C2=A0 crystal with<br>
=C2=A0an appropriate frequency division and then the celebrated NE612 as a
mixer so you could=C2=A0 end up with 'new' IF frequency<br>
=C2=A0in the range 10-20 kHz=C2=A0 directly injected into your sound card .=20=
the
rest is done nicely by=C2=A0 a=C2=A0 Wolf's DL4YHF Spectrum Lab<br>
absolutely superb software.<br>
the other way to overcome your problem, the "fast" one,=C2=A0 is to use
ekd-300 and ft857 together - you can 'feed' directly ft857 <br>
=C2=A0with ekd-300 200 khz IF output . i have made short cable=C2=A0 connect=
ing=C2=A0
ekd's IF output with an antenna input of ft857<br>
then you set the dial in ft857 as=C2=A0 200 kHz and the rest is obvious ie.
'digital' cw pitch etc..<br>
BTW. i did succeed with=C2=A0 Jim's M0BMU WOLF 20 transmission on several
occasions using only ft857.=C2=A0 <br>
ft857 has a nice and helpful feature=C2=A0 named=C2=A0 DSP CW Peaking Filter=
 [
row "p" - DNR,DNF,<b>DBF</b>] - the center frequency of this DSP filter
<br>
is automatically aligned with your selected CW pitch , say, 600 Hz in
my case and via the menu mode 45 <br>
=C2=A0you can select the desired bandwidth of this filter ( 60, 120,240 Hz).
<br>
<br>
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Sounds like that and 'Dimension 4' to keep the clock updated would be  
perfect.
 
Thanks
 
David  G0MRF
 
 
 
In a message dated 11/02/2008 16:21:26 GMT Standard Time,  
andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com writes:

On my web site (see below), in the 'Beacons' section, you will find  
PCBCN.zip which is a simple Windoze utility that activates a COM  port at regular 
intervals   Specify repeat interval and  offset in minutes, and the Tx ON time in 
seconds, and it will set the RTS  and DTR lines of your specified COM port for 
the duration when the appropriate  interval arrives.  That's all, no CW 
messages, no bells,  no whistles, no warranty! 
 
.. and its entirely up to you to somehow keep the PC clock accurate  enough!



 



   

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Mal, I agree with your comments.   It's an interesting development though.
Playing with the trial version it's amazing to watch it decode multiple CW
streams in a DX pileup in parallel and even when they are quite close in
terms of frequency.  

Not sure what it all means for HF operating, though.  

73 John, G3WKL




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Roelof Bakker wrote:
> Hello Alberto,
>  
> Your program Spectran is in wide use amongst NDB chasers.
> Someone had the following question:
> --- snip ---

  Hi Roelof,

    that question was posed in the SDR-IQ Yahoo group, and I have answered there. For the benefit of the readers of this 
group that are not subscribed to that other group, I'm doing a copy-and-paste of my answer here below.

73  Alberto  I2PHD
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------



 > When using a sound card with programs such as WinRad or Spectran, how
 > important is the sound card quality for signal processing? Does the
 > sound card do any processing in decodind or displaying the signals or
 > is this all done in the Spectran software?
 >
 > Sound cards are available for $20, others cost over $250. Will the
 > higher cost sound card imrove processing or decoding?

Al, the short answer is yes. The sound card does not do any processing
of the signal, apart from converting it from analog form to the digital
realm. So what really matters in a sound card is the quality of its ADC
and of the analog stages that are in front of it. All that is what
determines the dynamic range, which is the ratio between the strongest
signal that the card is capable to digitize without overloading and the
weakest signal that can be reliably extracted from the background noise
(explained in simplified form).

All the processing is then done by the program that runs on the PC. So
when you buy a sound card, read carefully the specs about the dynamic
range and the noise. The problem is that those specs are generally
related to the intended use of a sound card, i.e. acquiring and playing
back audio... for SDR the requirements are a bit more stringent. So
that's why the M-Audio Audiophile 192 card, excellent on paper, is a
mediocre performer for SDR applications... it has been measured as
having an excellent noise performance up to about 30 kHz, but then the
noise pedestal grows significantly when you go up in frequency... so its
use at 96 or 192 kHz sampling rate for applications where you have
significant signal components above 30 kHz , like an SDR application, is
not recommended.

If you are in search of a good sound card, the measures performed not by
me, but by some other SDR enthusiasts, all point to the EMU-1212M, which
seems to have a very good performance/price ratio, especially if you
buy it second hand on eBay. If you want to spend a little less, but
still obtaining decent performance, albeit inferior to the 1212M, a good
candidate could be the M-Audio Delta 44, that is widespread about the
SDR community.

All of the above of course is valid if you use the sound card as input,
i.e. if you have a Tayloe-type mixer like the various Softrock
incarnations. Instead if you use a direct RF sampling receiver, like
the SDR-IQ, the subject of this group, disregard all of the above, as in
this case the sound card is used only for the playback of the
demodulated audio, and the cheap AC'97 chipset found on every
motherboard is more than enough for this.

73 Alberto I2PHD



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Does anyone have experience of using a computer without RS232 for QRS.
I have tried to get an output from the 9 pin serial ports on my computer, it
appears that the -12 volts  on  the appropriate pin (pin 4 for Key ) drops
only
momentarily. If this is correct I will need a latch to hold the command
until
released. Is this the general experience or am I doing something wrong
(again ! )
Thanks 73 Laurie.

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Does anyone have experience of using a computer without RS232 for QRS.<br>I have tried to get an output from the 9 pin serial ports on my computer, it<br>appears that the -12 volts&nbsp; on&nbsp; the appropriate pin (pin 4 for Key ) drops only<br>
momentarily. If this is correct I will need a latch to hold the command until<br>released. Is this the general experience or am I doing something wrong (again ! )<br>Thanks 73 Laurie. <br>

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John
These devices depend on the quality of morse sending. They will not read
poorly and badly sent morse, which  is more common than you think.
For auto sent morse they work well.
There is no substitute for a skilled cw operator.
de Mal/G3KEV

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Not sure if this has been mentioned on this group but an interesting piece
of software by Alex, VE3NEA, called CW Skimmer has recently been made
available, see
http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/

Although the software costs $75 one can download a trial version (30 days).
It's interesting to see that whilst away from the shack this evening the
program correctly identified G3KEV (501.9 at 19:35) and also G0MRF (503.0 at
19:37).   The callsign picking routine must have been designed for the HF
bands, where the protocol is very mature, so got a bit confused with the
protocol used on 500kHz and eventually decided that David callsign was
IO91TK!

It seems to need a reasonable S/N, but could be quite useful if one is not
able to personally monitor the band all of the time.  Have others tried it?

73 John, G3WKL






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> Henny,
> 
> If Europe1 on 183 kHz ran a 1 kHz tone during their non-program period, 
> then you would see a line on 184 kHz.
> 
> John Andrews, W1TAG
> 
>


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Hello Jim and the group,

Immediate copy on your WOLF20 signal after 12 seconds.
22:36:14 f: 0.165 a:-0.9 dp: 62.8 ci: 4 cj:458 DE M0BMU IO91VR -

The FT-897 connected to a resonant ferrite antenna (similar to GM4ISM's) 
makes a big difference.

MRF beacon also visible, and G3XIZ "Test" audible 559 at the moment 
(22:39 UTC).

GL and happy amplifier-building for next month !


73,
 Wolf DL4YHF


James Moritz schrieb:
> Dear LF Group,
>
> Good news on the extension to 500kHz operation - Have to start on the QRO TX
> now!
>
> The M0BMU WOLF 20 beacon is now QRV again (2200utc) on 503.800kHz - still
> with 100mW ERP for the time being...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
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Got awakened by the sound (?) of a "bump in the night" but thought "Mmmmmm!  
Doesn't sound like WW3" and went back to sleep.
 
Gosh! I do lead an exciting life don't I ?
 
 
Sorry, but no exciting "did the earth(quake) move for you ?" stories from  
this QTH !
 
 
 
 
73 de Pat  G4GVW es gd dx
Qth near Felixstowe, UK




   

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Hello,
the email from Hans-Albrecht motivated me to ask if someone have to sell a s=
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50-100W should be fine. Like to drive the PA with  my LF Exciter ZL1BPU.

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Dear Lowfers,

sooner or later I am looking for an TX for 136 kHz, giving me reasonable mor=
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  Hello Joe,
I am sad to be obliged to stop any activity LF , I cannot receive
the weak signals more because I am QRM 20/30dB of more than
noise since more than one week . We made beautiful things on 184
Khz thank you for these good moments . I will leave the world of
the LF to make another thing in part of the spectrum less polluted .
I will keep an eye on list RSGB to have news of the friends !
73 J-P f1afj




















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Am I correct in assuming that the power increase is immediate and not from  
Feb 29th ??
 
David   G0MRF
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 01/02/2008 10:38:30 GMT Standard Time, jwgould@iee.org  
writes:

UK  500kHz NoV holders, and those interested in gaining an NoV, may care  to
look at Ofcom's announcement at  

http://www.ofcom.org.uk/radiocomms/ifi/licensing/classes/amateur/Notices/200
80201

This  came out a little earlier than was suggested last week

73 John,  G3WKL
RSGB HF Manager







   

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  Most kevlar rope for antenna use has an outer covering of Dacron for UV protection so it will be non conductive.
However, I don't think its a good idea to guy the very top of a vertical especially if high power is in use, particularly in rainy conditions.


--
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
WE2XEB/2   160-189kHz
WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz

FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

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From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
> Looking to replace the guy ropes on my vertical mast , the blue polyprop is 
> showing signs of over exposure to  the sun and starting to  fray
> 
> 
> 
> I'm wondering if the 'kevlar' type of ropes would be suited, as the mast is 
> a radiating element ?
> 
> 
> 
> But as far as I know, the rope conducts electrically, which would not be a 
> good  material to  have in the saturation field of the element
> 
> 
> 
> How conductive is the 'rope' ? is it just a leakage or a full low ohm 
> situation ?
> 
> 
> 
> Tnx - G ..
> 
> 
> 



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Brian Rogerson wrote:

> Can anybody help?  I am trying to repair a T-storm damaged LF 
> multicoupler
>
> in which the front end National Semiconductors CLC200 requires replacing.
>
> With apologies for being off topic.
>
> Brian CT1DRP
>
>
Dear Brian, LF group

look at this:
http://www.cadeka.com/KH200.php
it is a direct replacement for this national semicond. clc200 wideband 
op amp.
i do think it is not an off-topic problem  :)
                                                                      73 
de peter, sq7mpj  /jo91rs/

p.s.  also AD9610 of Analog Devices  looks like an  appropriate replacement


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Mike

Lots of static here last night...not sure tonight will be much better. Storm=
 is moving off the coast but still has lots of lightning.

Jay

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  I shall be beaconing again overnight. Last night's conditions looked=20
  better, according to W3EEE's graph. 136.3185k, QRSS60.

  DJ8WX is also active on 136.319kHz.

  Mike, G3XDV
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Good morning,
Big activity last night and this morning.=20
Copied PA0SE in dfcw around midnight and later PE1RRF very strong in
QRSS60 (and sure also DJ8WX).
Tried then for the rest of the night to copy WD2XES in Wolf10 ( a short
test before with M0BMU was successful directly after t:144).
Unfortunately i fail to copy XES. Not sure if this was something close:
t:2880 f:-0.566 pm:207.4 jm: 43 q: -3.9 -7.5 ???GOU7 QSH3GS. ?
t:2976 f:-0.566 pm:207.5 jm: 43 q: -3.8 -7.5 ???GOU7 QSH3GS. ?
t:3072 f:-0.566 pm:207.8 jm: 43 q: -3.8 -7.5 ???GOU7 QSH3GS. ?

Vy73
Marco
DD7PC
JN49ax

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Thank-you for monitoring Henny.  That does appear to be my signal.

73
Joe

On Fri, 29 Feb 2008, henny van elst wrote:

> trace of vo1na  (n) time 01:00z
> henny pa3cpm
> 73s


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Hello Rik,

Ok, thanks for the information - and no problem.. maybe, we can even try 
136 / 500 kHz then (from DK4U alias DF0WD).

At the moment, the only signal I can *hear* in CW on 500 kHz is Finbar's 
beacon near 501.3 kHz, and of course the DI beacons.

73, 
   Wolf  DL4YHF .

Rik Strobbe schrieb:
> Hello Wolf,
>
> not yet ...
> My only antenna at the moment is the 500 kHz antenna and it is 
> absolutely deaf on HF (as it should be).
> My stations is still put together with pieces of string.
> Next weeks will be busy, but I hope to put a decent station together 
> mid-february, with a bit more power and a wire antenna to listen on HF.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>



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There have been 18 downloads of  the beacon timing software  PCBCN  this
month.  Its still there...

http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/PCBCN.zip

Andy  G4JNT


On 29/02/2008, Graham <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> That's  quite well summed up ! and was one of the reasons for the 'Timed
> beacon software' , each end could run it
> and still see what was happening on the band.... dont have to  be on the
> same frequency and would of given a plot
> over time ...
>
> Just need someone to  code it :(
>
> G ..
>
>
> > Beacon acty would be an indicator for you if propagation was optimum but
> > unattended beacons would be pointless, if one was not in a position to
> go
> > into QSO mode immediately given the right conditions.
> > To respond immediately a link on 3.5/7 mhz would be useful to indicate
> > copy
> > at either end and the link needs to be monitored in real time for a
> quick
> > response.
> > As far as I can see this is the only approach that will work.
> > 73 de Mal/G3KEV
> >
>
>
>
>


-- 
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<div>There have been 18 downloads of&nbsp; the beacon timing software&nbsp; PCBCN&nbsp;&nbsp;this month.&nbsp; Its still there...</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><a href="http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/PCBCN.zip">http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/PCBCN.zip</a></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Andy&nbsp; G4JNT<br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 29/02/2008, <b class="gmail_sendername">Graham</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk">g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">That&#39;s&nbsp;&nbsp;quite well summed up ! and was one of the reasons for the &#39;Timed<br>beacon software&#39; , each end could run it<br>
and still see what was happening on the band.... dont have to&nbsp;&nbsp;be on the<br>same frequency and would of given a plot<br>over time ...<br><br>Just need someone to&nbsp;&nbsp;code it :(<br><br>G ..<br><br><br>&gt; Beacon acty would be an indicator for you if propagation was optimum but<br>
&gt; unattended beacons would be pointless, if one was not in a position to go<br>&gt; into QSO mode immediately given the right conditions.<br>&gt; To respond immediately a link on 3.5/7 mhz would be useful to indicate<br>
&gt; copy<br>&gt; at either end and the link needs to be monitored in real time for a quick<br>&gt; response.<br>&gt; As far as I can see this is the only approach that will work.<br>&gt; 73 de Mal/G3KEV<br>&gt;<br><br><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>Andy&nbsp;&nbsp;G4JNT<br><a href="http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt">www.scrbg.org/g4jnt</a> 

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John,

> WE2XGR/3 will run in WOLF(10) mode on 508.500 kHz tonight, starting 
> around 2330 UTC. Reports are welcome.

> John Andrews, W1TAG
 
nothing decoded here, last night. The local noise level was high.

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Mike Thayne wrote:
> Peter your QRSS ID is fully audible 559 on about 501.5. Nice steady
> signal no QSB.
>
> Mike, G3GMS
>
>   
Many thanks for the report Mike

Regards

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Thanks, Jay. I will beacon again tonight.  

de MIke, G3XDV
============

> Several fragments like this visible throughout the night - not enough
> to identify but frequency is correct. Time is EST. Nothing from WX.
> 
> Jay W1VD  WD2XNS  WE2XGR/2
> 





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That's true , be interesting to  see what kind of power level you need to 
get 1 watt erp
from such a large antenna array ,  looking at the  calculators carnt be more 
than   50  watt's
tops , suppose a lift from 5watts  to  50watts  might help  ?

G ..


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Graham,
>
>   UK to W has only been done a couple of times under the best of 
> conditions, the new power levels might facilitate more contacts, 
> particularly with U.K. stations who don't live near the coast.
>
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
> WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
> WE2XEB/2   160-189kHz
> WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz
>
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
>> Must of missed something here !
>>
>> UK to  W  has been done on 100 mW , just takes skill not power !
>>
>> G ..
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "mal" <g3kevmal@talktalk.net>
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>> Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 3:22 PM
>> Subject: LF: NOV UPDATE
>>
>>
>> > New updated NOV arrived this morning, no excuse for weak signals 
>> > anymore
>> > on
>> > 500 khz
>> > Mal/G3KEV
>> >
>> >
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> 




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Call CQ and see what happens.

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Has anyone heard any signals on 500kHz during the last 24 hours ?
  Here only white noise no static no signals !
  Was it the earthquake ? or did my ant. fall down.
  73 Laurie.



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also nice capture xgj  same time
henny pa3cpm
73s

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Hello Joe, Warren, Wofgang, Roelof,

Thank you very much of your encouragements, I cannot any more what
make ! the qrm is very random: 10 20 30 dB more than the normal ,
therefore the grabber does not give any more the absolute reference !
I will still maintain it a few days in service on 137 Khz . For the 184
Khz . I can continue more with the noise floor to 20 dB higher ! If the
situation wanted to develop in the good sense , I will be able to return .

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
=20
K2ORS a =E9crit :
> Dear jean-Pierre,
>
>    I am very sorry for the QRM that is making you stop the grabber!
> Last night XES and XGJ were visible on the grabber even with the QRM.
> I hope you reconsider your decision!
>
> 73 Warren K2ORS
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9"=20
> <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 6:11 PM
> Subject: LF: T/A [137] QRM on 137 kHz
>
>
>> Good evening my friends of the LF,
>>
>> I will have to stop my activity LF, I have between 20 and 30 dB
>> of noise moreover! (this noise is of human origin) and I can nothing
>> make there ! Tomorrow I will stop the grabber, and I will go towards
>> other less polluted activities.
>> Afflicted to leave world LF, but I am constrained there.
>>
>> 73 qro Jean-Pierre F1AFJ
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Hi Warren,

It might improve the spirts of those who have been disappointed
by not seeing my weak signals there!

73 and thanks
Joe

On Mon, 4 Feb 2008, k2ors@comcast.net wrote:

> Joe,
>
>    I have been considering putting a signal on near your beacon (1-2Hz away from you  ~184.005) with about 250 watts to give potential listeners a propagation indicator and another target to look for.  Let me know if you like the idea.
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS
> WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
> WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
> WE2XEB/2   160-189kHz
> WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz
>
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: jcraig@mun.ca
>> Hi Jean-Pierre and Wolf,
>>
>> I can understand how the QRM makes it seem futile to receive the very
>> weak signals, but we have made much progress despite the challenges.
>> The transmitter will remain in operation if you desire and will be moved
>> to a frequency of your preference if you can find one with lower noise in
>> the 160-190 kHz range.  When the experiment with the Poldhu club
>> is finished, we can then try QRSS120 if you are interested.
>>
>> 73 and thank-you for the many reports!
>>
>> Joe VO1NA
>>
>
>


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mal wrote:

 > The average radio amateur today is an appliance operator and probably
 > never heard about morse code or a soldering iron. Avoid them both!!
 > G3KEV

Hi Mal
how can you know when to avoid a licenced radio amateur, how do you 
describe "average"?
You do not "see" them but only have a call-sign to go by.
What are your terms of reference to make such a statement?

  Many of us suffered strokes or worse during our amateur career and 
thus became unable to remember and use CW well enough to "pass a test", 
and thus were barred from the HF bands.

Fortunately this has been corrected and we "so called" Class B licencees 
could enjoy a taste of the HF bands denied to us, not because of lack of 
ability but due to impairments.
Despite being visually impaired now from stroke induced brain damage, I 
can still use a soldering iron and construct-takes more time and more 
care, but I get there!

CW retention and use is no longer a possibility though!

I operate without causing interference to others and know how to and am 
able to  construct and repair test equipment and modern transceivers.

Does this make me a leper in your eyes?

It matters not to me whether you Mal, or your ilk, avoids me when I 
eventually get onto LF bands, but  I would welcome a more understanding 
attitude from you/them, and less bigoted comments concerning those not 
blessed with your/their abilities.
Perhaps some died in the wool CW operators should look outside of their 
box before using voice or keyboard and passing judgement!
dave
G8SZX  Glenfield Leicester IO92jp
webpage
www.g8szx.mediumwaveradio.org



>  
> 
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* G4gvw@aol.com <mailto:G4gvw@aol.com>
>     *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>     <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>     *Sent:* Friday, February 15, 2008 11:23 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: LF: CW Skimmer
> 
>     Actualy I do not agree with that statement. It is only in the
>     present state of the art that you might say that a machine cannot
>     read poorly sent morse. It is not so many years ago that the present
>     state of the art was considered beyond the reach of machines!
>      
>     It is surely not beyond the wit of man to imagine that a future
>     generation of machines and their programmes (I hesitate to use the
>     word software deliberately) might not only decode a data stream
>     called "morse" but actually interpret its "meaning" using rules
>     based on language, useage and machine-based artificial intelligence!
>      
>     In the same way that the modern radio amateur has become an operator
>     of "black boxes" who is to say that the next generation of Black
>     Boxes will not become an operator of radio amateurs?
>      
>     Some would say that this is alraeady the case!
>      
>      
>      
>      
>     73 de Pat G4GVW es gd dx
>     Qth near Felixstowe, UK
> 
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Monty Python dealt with this subject in the "Holy Grail"

Guard: I'm French!  Why do think I have this outrageous accent, you
      silly king!
  GALAHAD:  What are you doing in England?
  GUARD:  Mind your own business!

http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/mphg/mphg.htm



--
73 Warren K2ORS
WD2XGJ     136-140kHz
WD2XSH/23 505-510kHz
WE2XEB/2   160-189kHz
WE2XGR/1 505-515kHz

FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

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From: "Graham" <g8fzk@g8fzk.fsnet.co.uk>
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> Gentlemen and ladies,
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> We appear to  be in the company of a very rare occurrence , a French pirate 
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> The last documented individual aptly name 'Olivier The Mouth' apparently ran 
> off and hid on the ivory  coast, not quite the governor of Jamaica route to 
> fame , nor is messing about with G 2 letter call sign's.
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John RABSON" <john.rabson@wanadoo.fr>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2008 4:59 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: RE: OR7T 559
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> 
> On 31/01/2008 at 12:18 John Pumford-Green GM4SLV wrote:
> 
> >That 477 is an interesting report!
> >
> >"Readable with practically no difficulty, moderately strong signals,
> >near pure tone with trace of ripple modulation."
> >
> >Don't hear too many "non-T9" reports these days...
> 
> Last weekennd in between DIYing, I had a quick listen on 40 m and went back 
> to a G6 two-letter call who was calling CQ Contest.  I signed Foxtrot 5 
> Victor Lima Foxtrot.  He came back to me:
> 
> "G9VLF you are 59 etc"
> 
> With a call of that antiquity, he should have known that G9 calls are not 
> issued to the ordinary radio amateur.  Also, as he got my prefix wrong I was 
> not 59.
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> 73
> John F5VLF
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Dear John, LF Group,

Left the receiver on your frequency overnight last night, but nil copy
unfortunately.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



---- Original Message -----
From: "John Andrews" <w1tag@w1tag.com>
To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, & UK) and MedFer bands"
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Subject: LF: WD2XES WOLF again


> WD2XES will again run WOLF(10) tonight from about 0000 to 0800 UTC on
> 137.577 kHz. There will be a break of about a half-hour at 0200 for a
> cross-band QSO with WE2XGR/2, possibly in PSK31. Reports are welcome.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
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I expect it is only a matter of time before CW Skimmer will cope with poor 
quality CW signals, similarly to what CWGet is apparently capable of.
Just a case of implementing an the algorithm. If I had to name software 
authors who are capable of doing this than Alex the author of CW Skimmer 
would be at the top of my list...

It's not that many years ago that a skilled CW operator beat the PC at 
decoding CW signals just below noiselevel...with QRSS this has now been 
accepted that a PC does better.

I ran CW Skimmer during 160m contest on 26th Jan and it decoded some 130+ 
stations using a softrock RX... extremely impressive software.

Jan G0BBL


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From: "Roman ." <rw3adb@rambler.ru>
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Subject: Re: LF: CW Skimmer


That systems are working with 'ideal' quality CW signal only.
The other famous shareware program CW skimmer in russia is UA9OSV CwGet:
http://www.dxsoft.com/ru/products/cwget/



* John W Gould <jwgould@iee.org> [Mon, 11 Feb 2008 19:54:10 -0000]:
> Not sure if this has been mentioned on this group but an interesting
> piece
> of software by Alex, VE3NEA, called CW Skimmer has recently been made
> available, see
> http://www.dxatlas.com/CwSkimmer/
>
> Although the software costs $75 one can download a trial version (30
> days).
> It's interesting to see that whilst away from the shack this evening
the
> program correctly identified G3KEV (501.9 at 19:35) and also G0MRF
> (503.0 at
> 19:37).   The callsign picking routine must have been designed for the
> HF
> bands, where the protocol is very mature, so got a bit confused with
the
> protocol used on 500kHz and eventually decided that David callsign was
> IO91TK!
>
> It seems to need a reasonable S/N, but could be quite useful if one is
> not
> able to personally monitor the band all of the time.  Have others
tried
> it?
>
> 73 John, G3WKL
>
>
>
>

--
Roman ..



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John
I cannot find the 500 khz link at ofcom to which u refer
73 Mal/G3KEV


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Tell me please, Pat, sir Samuel Morse is rx'd Morse code orally?)
Why all radio-amateurs in all country make a 'religion' from the knack=20
of receiving Morse orally?
The frontire of the Radio now - is a Computing devices + Programming +=20
Radio equipment.
The 1 tube TX + key-bug is a history of the Radio.
Modern Radio is need a good 'users'. This is a reality.
Of course, the knowledge level for the designing computer devices and=20
programming must be more high, then for design 1-tube-tx!
Therefore  the number of designers not so great now. 1000/1 as usual.
If you  like Radio and you a good user why you are is not radio-amateur?


* G4gvw@aol.com [Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:23:03 EST]:
> Actualy I do not agree with that statement. It is only in the present
> state
> of the art that you might say that a machine cannot read poorly sent
> morse. It
>  is not so many years ago that the present state of the art was
> considered
> beyond  the reach of machines!
>
> It is surely not beyond the wit of man to imagine that a future
> generation
> of machines and their programmes (I hesitate to use the word software
> deliberately) might not only decode a data stream called "morse" but
> actually
> interpret its "meaning" using rules based on language, useage and
> machine-based
> artificial intelligence!
>
> In the same way that the modern radio amateur has become an operator=20
of
> "black boxes" who is to say that the next generation of Black Boxes=20
will
> not
> become an operator of radio amateurs?
>
> Some would say that this is alraeady the case!
>
>
>
>
> 73 de Pat  G4GVW es gd dx
> Qth near Felixstowe,  UK
>
>
>
>
>
>

--
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Hallo Dl4eau

Fb signal in jo22mb

73s Wim pa3ego






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Hello  all on LF ,

Last night i copy  :

RA3YO on 136   ( on the Grabber )

VO1NA on 184 ( traces )

The captures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

grabber at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Grabber/Grabber.htm

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

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