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Subject: LF: T/A [137] last night :  VO1NA , WD2XES , WD2XKO ????
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Last night I forgot to connect the K9AY!
I remained on the Loop of 2.2 m=B2,
good copy of VO1NA, traces of WD2XNS,
traces at 23:00 on 137.775 not readable (WD2XKO?)

the captures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

































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Greetings all,

ARTE will be showing a documentation about the 1866 transatlantic 
telegraph cable today at 20:45 local time. Maybe they show it in France 
too; but at least here in Germany I know which programme to watch this 
evening ;-)

Nothing heard on MF / LF today - there is some terrible local noise, as 
always.

73,  Wolf .

P.S. Hope you had a safe trip home from Friedrichshafen - and to John, 
thanks for the coffee ;-)




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 WD2XKO => RA3YO
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Correction the signal that I thought of being WD2XKO was actually RA3YO!
Thank you Victor, your capture did not help well to identify this trace!
73 Jean-Pierre f1afj

Victor van Kooten a =E9crit :
> Captured RA3YO 23:30z 137777.8
> Captured VO1NA 03:15  137777.0
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> 73
> Victor
> PA3FNY


Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 a =E9crit :
> Last night I forgot to connect the K9AY!
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> traces at 23:00 on 137.775 not readable (WD2XKO?)
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> the captures of night are at :
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Zitat von Lubom=EDr Bobal=EDk <lubomir.bobalik@rtv5.cz>:

> Captured 070629 / 20:22UT. DI2BE is extremely strong at this time.
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Hi Lubos,
interesting screen shots and measurings. but I didnt change anything.
still 8,1W ERP.
best regards
Uwe/dj8wx/di2be/jo43sv



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Dear LFs
This is info from Lars SM6NM.

GRIMETON RADIO/SAQ TRANSMISSION

The annual transmission on "Alexanderson Day" with the 
Alexanderson alternator on VLF 17,2 kHz will take place 
Sunday July 1st 2007 at 09:00 UTC (tuning up from 08:15 UTC) 
and will be repeated at 13:00 UTC (tuning up from 12:15 UTC).

The station will be open to visitors.

There will be activity on amateur radio frequencies with the 
call "SK6SAQ".  Check our web site: www.alexander.n.se

QSL-reports are kindly received:

- E-mail to: info@alexander.n.se
- or fax to: +46-340-674195
- or via: SM bureau

- or direct by mail to: Alexander - Grimeton Veteranradios 
Vaenner,

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  Grimeton 72
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  S    W    E    D    E    N

Yours

Lars Kalland

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Thank you Joe for all the good moments spent in your company,
perhaps a day your return on 2200 m !

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hello jean-pierre

you are right,it is xns.

best 73,henny cpm.
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Hello Henny ,
I see "XNS" wouldn't it have reads error?
73 Jean-Pierre f1afj

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Thanx very much dear Joe for all pleasures from Newfoundland.
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In a message dated 30/06/2007 15:56:57 Greenwich Standard Time,  
dave@davesergeant.com writes:

Peter

While you were in QSO with Tom this afternoon I thought I  could just 
detect traces of you way down in the noise. Tom was 569 and  G3AQC 
589. I did call Tom after his CQ call but obviously you were a  little 
stronger with him...

73 Dave  G3YMC


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Thanks for that Dave. I've tried to improve my aerial today and it  seems 
that I am making some progress but have a long way to go.  Tom is  almost local, 
maybe 50miles or so away, and the path to G3AQC in Chichester is  mostly along 
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73 Peter G3JFS
 
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Peter

While you were in QSO with Tom this afternoon I thought I could just 
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589. I did call Tom after his CQ call but obviously you were a little 
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73 Dave G3YMC


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In a message dated 28/06/2007 21:57:14 Greenwich Standard Time,  
james.moritz@btopenworld.com writes:

Dear Peter, LF Group,
 
Had a look for your signal around 2115 utc, but nothing visible or  audible. 
I find that quite suprising - other stations at a similar distance  put in 
good signals I can usually hear OK. Were you on exactly  502.000kHz?
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

Hi Jim,
 
My signal should be very close to 502kHz. Both my frequency counter (with  an 
un-ovened xtal) and my FT1000MP Mk-V which has an high stability oscillator  
tell me its 502.08 - accurate enough to ensure that I am in band but I  
wouldn't put too much faith in the absolute accuracy.  The frequency  is derived 
from a very old 3515 kHz crystal (aquired whilst working for  Cathodeon Crystals 
in the 1960s) that is divided by 7.
 
I have only ever heard a few weak signals from up country so with my low  
power I am not surprised that you didn't hear me.  You may have seen  comments 
about my qth in other posts.  I live to the north of the city in  an area called 
Crownhill which is one of the highest points in Plymouth.   The local MW 
broadcast station sits on the top of the hill but  I unfortunately live way down 
on the wrong side of it so that much of  my signal gets lost in the hillside.  
Dartmoor also has  a very serious affect on radio signals on all bands.  
Locals with  beams say how hard is to work dx to the north and how they have  to 
wait for long path openings to work the N. Pacific area;  all blame  Dartmoor.  
 
Hopefully I can improve my signal and make some contacts.  It is an  
interesting exercise if nothing else.
 
73
 
Peter, G3JFS
 
 


----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: LF: 502 kHz test from  G3JFS


I will be making slow morse test transmissions on 502 kHz until  about 21:30 
GMT.
Appreciate reports if anyone can hear me.
 
73 
 
G3JFS, Peter in Plymouth.



 



   

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Dear Peter, LF Group,

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Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:29 PM
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In a message dated 28/06/2007 21:33:41 Greenwich Standard Time,  
tom@telemetry.demon.co.uk writes:

Peter
 
You were a good 579 earlier in the evening her near Honiton, East Devon.  
Look forward to a QSO.
 
73
Tom G3OLB

Thanks for the report Tom.  Its encouraging to know that my  signal has 
reached Honiton as I was beginning to think that my  location is useless for 
500kHz.  Perhaps with a bit more power I might be  heard further away so now I have 
to find a few more volts for my valve tx which  currently puts out only  5 
watts.
 
73 Peter
 
 


----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: LF: 502 kHz test from  G3JFS


I will be making slow morse test transmissions on 502 kHz until  about 21:30 
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Peter

You were a good 579 earlier in the evening her near Honiton, East Devon. =
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73
Tom G3OLB
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still strong signal joe
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best 73.
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Joe,
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Hope to see you again on a worldwide 2200m Band. Good luck!

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Oooeerr! Never mind I guess we'll make it one day!
 
73
 
VTT 
 
In a message dated 30/06/2007 17:29:21 GMT Standard Time,  
tom@telemetry.demon.co.uk writes:

Colin
Don't think you are hearing us down here in the depths of Devon. You were  
CQing away while I was in QSO with Peter 'JFS!
 
161
Tom

----- Original Message ----- 
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CALL ME!
 
Listening now 1517 GMT
 
73
 
Colin VTT
 
In a message dated 30/06/2007 15:49:01 GMT Standard Time, 
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Colin
 
549 here in E. Devon. 
 
Tom G3OLB

----- Original Message ----- 
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'afternoon all,
 
Just about to call CQ on 502 Kc/s. Local time 1442 BST. Anybody  about?
 
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Colin
 
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Colin
Don't think you are hearing us down here in the depths of Devon. You =
were CQing away while I was in QSO with Peter 'JFS!

161
Tom
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  CALL ME!

  Listening now 1517 GMT

  73

  Colin VTT

  In a message dated 30/06/2007 15:49:01 GMT Standard Time, =
tom@telemetry.demon.co.uk writes:
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    Tom G3OLB
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      Colin

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CALL ME!
 
Listening now 1517 GMT
 
73
 
Colin VTT
 
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Colin
 
549 here in E. Devon. 
 
Tom G3OLB

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'afternoon all,
 
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Colin

549 here in E. Devon.=20

Tom G3OLB
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  'afternoon all,

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Thanks Dave. All reports gratefully received.=20
9 watts and a sloping piece of wire from shack to tree so definitely not =
optimum arrangement yet!

73
Tom
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Tom

  I heard you as well but it took several attempts and a lot of =
twiddling to definitely identify the callsign. I think we'd have to wait =
until after dark for a proper CW QSO.

  73

  Dave G3YXM.


  On 29/06/07, Tom Boucher <tom@telemetry.demon.co.uk> wrote:
    Thanks Laurie - look forward to a QSO.
      ----- Original Message -----=20
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      Tom G3OLB, now good 559 here on 502.85kHz
      Good to hear you on 500.
      73 Laurie




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to hear=20
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Thanks Laurie - look forward to a QSO.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Tom G3OLB, now good 559 here on 502.85kHz
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  73 Laurie

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I guess no one has heard my tiny signal. Now it is time to qrt so good  night 
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Just captured M0DTS here in Germany.

A Capture can be seen here:

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I will be making slow morse test transmissions on 502 kHz until about  21:30 
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Hi Gary,

    I was one of the early ones to sign up with this map.  How do I add the fact that I now operate 500kHz under the call WD2XSH/23 and 160-190 kHz  as WE2XEB/2? 

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
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From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> Hi All,
> 
> There doesn't appear to be many if any new additions to the Low Frequency 
> Operators Map recently despite a good deal of new LF/MF operators on this 
> side of the Atlantic using 500 KHz with the recent UK SRP's.
> 
> Maybe some of you don't know of its exsistance.
> 
> Please have a look at the link below & if you are not displayed why not add 
> yourself to the map, I am sure it can be a useful guide.
> 
> http://www.frappr.com/lowfrequencyoperators
> 
> I have no connection to this facility, just like the idea.
> 
> 73
> 
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp 
> 
> 



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On 23 Jun 2007 at 10:13, Gary - G4WGT wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> There doesn't appear to be many if any new additions to the Low
> Frequency Operators Map recently despite a good deal of new LF/MF
> operators on this side of the Atlantic using 500 KHz with the recent
> UK SRP's.
> 
> Maybe some of you don't know of its exsistance.
> 
> Please have a look at the link below & if you are not displayed why
> not add yourself to the map, I am sure it can be a useful guide.
> 
> http://www.frappr.com/lowfrequencyoperators
> 
> I have no connection to this facility, just like the idea.

Can't say I am particularly enthused with this. I tend to look at 
these Google Map things are very gimmickey and in itself it tells you 
very little about what LF is about and what the interests of those 
who have added themselves are. I won't be adding myself.

What would be far more interesting is a list of websites of operators 
and other information. We already have that for 136kHz, though sadly 
many of the sites are now out of date or no longer there. I will be 
adding appropriate links on the 500kHz pages on my own site, but 
don't have many at the moment...

I am currently writing the antenna and activities pages and should 
have these up after the weekend. The main 500kHz and transmitter 
pages are complete and linked from my homepage.

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com



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Hi All,

There doesn't appear to be many if any new additions to the Low Frequency 
Operators Map recently despite a good deal of new LF/MF operators on this 
side of the Atlantic using 500 KHz with the recent UK SRP's.

Maybe some of you don't know of its exsistance.

Please have a look at the link below & if you are not displayed why not add 
yourself to the map, I am sure it can be a useful guide.

http://www.frappr.com/lowfrequencyoperators

I have no connection to this facility, just like the idea.

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On 28 Jun 2007 at 19:13, Tom Boucher wrote:

> I can't play your recordings - I get the message ' Windows Media
> Player cannot play the file'. Any clues?

Have you downloaded the file to your hard drive or are you trying to 
play it directly through the browser from the site? If the latter you 
may have plugin or firewall issues.

Don't use Media Player very much here, I far prefer Irfanview 
(http://www.irfanview.com) for all image, audio and video files. You 
need to download all its plugins as well to play MP3. It plays fine 
here as downloaded and I did check and it plays in MediaPlayer as 
well (v9, haven't bothered with anything more recent...). The file 
was produced with Audacity, excellent freeware sound recording 
program.

73 Dave G3YMC

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Thanks Dave - 10 watts into a 140' sloper with a poor ground.
I can't play your recordings - I get the message ' Windows Media Player 
cannot play the file'. Any clues?

G3JFS has also been testing this evening with a 579 signal here.

73
Tom G3OLB

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Sergeant" <dave@davesergeant.com>
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> Coming in fine in Bracknell Tom on 502.6. 569 peaking 579. Recording
> at http://my.opera.com/davews/blog/2007/06/05/500khz-recordings
>
> Been looking again at my antenna impedance today. I have optimised
> and calibrated my G3LDO 3-meter impedance meter and now can make
> fairly accurate measurements sitting in the shack at the other end of
> my 22m of coax. I now know that the antenna resonates at 492kHz and
> has a resistive impedance of 26ohms there. If the weather holds off I
> shall be doing a few 'tweaks' over the next few days.
>
> 73 Dave G3YMC
>
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> 



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In a message dated 30/06/2007 13:03:36 Greenwich Standard Time,  
tom@telemetry.demon.co.uk writes:

Peter G3JFS
 
You were a good 589 signal this morning at about  10.40 but you were not 
hearing me.
 
73
Tom G3OLB

Hi Tom,
sorry I didn't hear you but I am not yet in 'qso mode'.  Today between  rain 
showers I've been trying to improve my aerial.  I now have a sort of  inv-L 
about 100 ft long and 30 ft up at the highest point.  Seems to be  better than 
my 40m doublet so hope I get heard further afield as you are the  only station 
to have heard me on the doublet. I heard a weak signal this morning  while 
tuning up the inv-L and think I got the call ok as G3AQC.  If so,  then my new 
aerial is definitely better.  
Thanks for the report. I'll try to sort out some c/o switching in the next  
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73 
Peter G3JFS



   

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Hi Rik and Johan I triggered Laurie to run his models for EZNEC again ( I am
like that ....get other people to do my "dirty work" ...hehe ...thanks
Laurie) again with a commercial vertical 1/4 wave at 500k and and amateur
10m inv "L". Now , yes  I know EZNEC does not simulate ground conditions
well, but it was instructive to see that there was little difference in the
zero-angle radiation for the quarterwave vertical. but the 10m "L" put
considerable more up in the air ~5deg over poor ground. Even the 10m "L" put
out good zero angle radiation over perfect ground.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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Rik Strobbe wrote:

> Looking at the patterns:
> am I right to conclude that not-so-perfect ground will only attenuate
> the surface wave (radiated at 0�) but will not affect skywave (or even
> improve it a bit)?

I don't know... But, experience from experiments, software simulations and
reading a lot of books converge into the fact that vertical antennas over
non-perfect ground do not radiate well at zero elevation. I believe it
has something to do with the GND beeing a not-so-perfect mirror which,
in addition to beeing lossy, also has some phase shift in its reflection
coefficient. I guess...

I think that most of this attenuation happens in the near field region
which I believe is exactly what Jim M0BMU has found in his experiments;
the FS falls off almost linearly with distance but it is a few dBs
"too low". An FSM antenna at 2m height is below 1 degree elevation
already at 114m distance from the TX (assuming that the Earth is flat,
isn't it? ;-) )

73
Johan SM6LKM




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Rik Strobbe wrote:

> Looking at the patterns:
> am I right to conclude that not-so-perfect ground will only attenuate=20
> the surface wave (radiated at 0=B0) but will not affect skywave (or eve=
n=20
> improve it a bit)?

I don't know... But, experience from experiments, software simulations an=
d
reading a lot of books converge into the fact that vertical antennas over
non-perfect ground do not radiate well at zero elevation. I believe it
has something to do with the GND beeing a not-so-perfect mirror which,
in addition to beeing lossy, also has some phase shift in its reflection
coefficient. I guess...

I think that most of this attenuation happens in the near field region
which I believe is exactly what Jim M0BMU has found in his experiments;
the FS falls off almost linearly with distance but it is a few dBs
"too low". An FSM antenna at 2m height is below 1 degree elevation
already at 114m distance from the TX (assuming that the Earth is flat,
isn't it? ;-) )

73
Johan SM6LKM


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Dear Rik, Johan, LF Group,

I should explain that I re-measured my "10m high x 40m" inverted L, which is
actually 9.5m and 10.5m at the ends, and reaches a lowest point of about
8.7m near the middle, partly due to the wire sagging and partly due  to the
ground not being perfectly flat. Based on this, I calculated a somewhat
lower radiation resistance, 0.022ohms at 136k and 0.31ohms at 503.8k. This
should give about 88mW ERP at 503.8k with 0.4A antenna current, and at
136.0k, with 3.9A antenna current, ERP should be 610mW.

This compares with the values derived from the field strength measurements
of 43mW at 503.8k, and 180mW at 136.0k. The efficiency calculation must also
take into account the resistance at the antenna feed point (essentially the
loss resistance). At 503.8k this was 25ohms, making the TX power 4.0W.
Assuming the antenna has 2.6dB directive gain over a dipole, 43mW ERP
corresponds to radiated power of 24mW, making the efficiency 24mW/4W =
0.59%. At 136.0k, Rloss was 63ohmsand TX power was therefore  958W. Radiated
power was 100mW, making efficiency 0.01% at 136k. Hence the factor of 59.

The difference in efficiency could be divided into 3 areas:

i) Increase in radiation resistance at higher frequency - assuming the
antenna remains electrically "small", Rrad should increase by a factor of
13.7 (11.4dB) from 136.0k to 503.8k.

ii) Decrease in loss resistance at higher frequency - Rloss decreases by a
factor of 2.5 (4.0dB) from 136.0k to 503.8k, for this particular antenna.

iii) Changes in an additional "site loss" that represents the difference
between the ERP calculated from antenna geometry and antenna current, and
the ERP determined from the field strength measurements. This site loss at
136k is 180mW/610mW = 5.3dB, while at 503.8k it is 43mW/88mW = 3.1dB, making
the difference in site loss between the two frequencies 2.2dB

This adds up to 17.6dB difference in efficiency in total, which is a factor
of 58... there is a bit of rounding off involved!

The "site loss" is substantial in both cases, although less at the higher
frequency. This was also true in comparing the results of FS measurements I
did on 73kHz and 136kHz some years ago.

I don't think ground losses have a significant effect on the propagating
signal level over these relatively short distances; if they did, I would
expect the field strength to decrease more rapidly than 1/distance, and so
give an ERP that decreases with distance, which it does not. For the same
reason, I think that the "site loss", whatever it is, must occur close to
the antenna, certainly within a couple of hundred metres, otherwise this
would also cause the ERP calculated from the field strength measurements to
vary with distance - this is why I think the term "site loss" is justified.
I guess that for this argument to be convincing, what would be desirable
would be to do experiments on an antenna on a site that gave field strengths
corresponding exactly to the calculated values, i.e. site loss of 0dB, which
would probably need a big flat field somewhere. Of course, it would be even
more interesting if there were an antenna with significant "site gain"...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU





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Hello Johan,

a most interesting theory to explain the "lost dB's".
Looking at the patterns:
am I right to conclude that not-so-perfect ground will only attenuate =20
the surface wave (radiated at 0=B0) but will not affect skywave (or even =20
improve it a bit)?

73, Rik  ON7YD

Quoting "Johan H. Bodin" <jh.bodin@telia.com>:

> Hello,
>
> Rik wrote:
>> It seems that even on 504 kHz still a lot of power is "absorbed"  =20
>> near the antenna.
>
> If there are a few dBs still missing when all near field losses have
> been taken into account, I would guess it is time to blame the
> non-perfect ground. The lower the ground conductivity, the weaker
> the low angle radiation radiation from the antenna. I don't think FS
> measurements taken at ground level are reliable, there are too many
> "it depends..." factors involved. Unfortunately, at 1km distance, the
> FSM antenna has to be raised to almost 500m height to get a reading
> at 25 degree elevation... Tethered balloon?
>
> 73
> Johan SM6LKM



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Hello,

Rik wrote:
> It seems that even on 504 kHz still a lot of power is "absorbed" near 
> the antenna.

If there are a few dBs still missing when all near field losses have
been taken into account, I would guess it is time to blame the
non-perfect ground. The lower the ground conductivity, the weaker
the low angle radiation radiation from the antenna. I don't think FS
measurements taken at ground level are reliable, there are too many
"it depends..." factors involved. Unfortunately, at 1km distance, the
FSM antenna has to be raised to almost 500m height to get a reading
at 25 degree elevation... Tethered balloon?

73
Johan SM6LKM

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Hello Jim,

based on radiation resistance it should be 13.5 times better on 504 
kHz [ (504/137)^2 ].
I guess that the remaining factor of 4.4 [ 59/13.5 ] is due to lower 
losses on 504 kHz.

BTW:
Simulating your 10 x 40 m inv-L antenna on gives a radiation 
resistance of 0.36 Ohm on 504 kHz (versus 0.026 Ohm on 137 kHz).
With 0.4 A antenna current the radiated power is (should be) 58 mW.
Taking into account the theoretical gain of a short vertical (4.8 dBi 
/ 2.6 dBd) the EIRP should be (have been) 173 mW EIRP or 105 mW ERP.
It seems that even on 504 kHz still a lot of power is "absorbed" near 
the antenna.

73, Rik ON7YD

At 03:49 14/06/2007, you wrote:
>Dear LF Group,
>
>To complement the 136kHz field strength measurements done a few days ago, I
>have now made some measurements on 503.8kHz. The average of 57 measurements
>with an antenna current of 400mA came to 43mW (-13.7dBW), and the antenna
>efficiency 0.59%. This is for the 10m high, 40m long inverted L, which was
>one of the antenna configurations used for the 136k measurements. The
>antenna efficiency on 500k is 59 times greater than on 136k - illustrating
>how much easier it is to "get out" on 500kHz, in spite of the poor
>efficiency on both bands.
>
>Qualitatively, the field strength results were rather similar to previous
>experience at LF - a few dB variation in ERP occured between measuring
>sites, with most of the results being within 2dB of the mean value. I
>rejected 4 measurements that were made along the road where the overhead
>phone line to my QTH runs - as was the case on 136k, some of these showed
>several dB variation from the average, and it seems the phone line acts as
>an extension of my antenna over quite a wide frequency range (unfortunately,
>not a practically useful one, though - it clearly does not do much for the
>overall ERP, I suspect it is also responsible for coupling some of the local
>QRM into the TX antenna). I made measurements at distances between about
>230m and 6km according to the GPS receiver, and a wide range of different
>directions - plotting ERP against distance did not reveal any particular
>varying trend, indicating a F.S. proportional to 1/distance relationship
>holds over this range. Plotting ERP against bearing indicated no detectable
>directional effects. This is what you would expect for an electrically small
>500kHz vertical antenna.
>
>I also re-measured the dimensions of the antenna, since various changes have
>been made over the years. I calculated a new value for the effective height
>of 8.3m (previously, I had used 9m). Working backwards from the ERP
>measurements, the effective height at 503.8kHz is 5.8m, and at 136kHz it is
>4.5m. Whatever is reducing the radiation from the antenna is frequency
>dependent, by about -3dB at 500k and about -5dB at 136k.
>
>Cheers, Jim Moritz
>73 de M0BMU


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Dear LF Group,

To complement the 136kHz field strength measurements done a few days ago, I
have now made some measurements on 503.8kHz. The average of 57 measurements
with an antenna current of 400mA came to 43mW (-13.7dBW), and the antenna
efficiency 0.59%. This is for the 10m high, 40m long inverted L, which was
one of the antenna configurations used for the 136k measurements. The
antenna efficiency on 500k is 59 times greater than on 136k - illustrating
how much easier it is to "get out" on 500kHz, in spite of the poor
efficiency on both bands.

Qualitatively, the field strength results were rather similar to previous
experience at LF - a few dB variation in ERP occured between measuring
sites, with most of the results being within 2dB of the mean value. I
rejected 4 measurements that were made along the road where the overhead
phone line to my QTH runs - as was the case on 136k, some of these showed
several dB variation from the average, and it seems the phone line acts as
an extension of my antenna over quite a wide frequency range (unfortunately,
not a practically useful one, though - it clearly does not do much for the
overall ERP, I suspect it is also responsible for coupling some of the local
QRM into the TX antenna). I made measurements at distances between about
230m and 6km according to the GPS receiver, and a wide range of different
directions - plotting ERP against distance did not reveal any particular
varying trend, indicating a F.S. proportional to 1/distance relationship
holds over this range. Plotting ERP against bearing indicated no detectable
directional effects. This is what you would expect for an electrically small
500kHz vertical antenna.

I also re-measured the dimensions of the antenna, since various changes have
been made over the years. I calculated a new value for the effective height
of 8.3m (previously, I had used 9m). Working backwards from the ERP
measurements, the effective height at 503.8kHz is 5.8m, and at 136kHz it is
4.5m. Whatever is reducing the radiation from the antenna is frequency
dependent, by about -3dB at 500k and about -5dB at 136k.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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And thanks from me too.  Last night's transmission was a bit brief
so to make up for it, NA will be on all night tonight.

73
Joe VO1NA

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007, John Andrews wrote:

> Jean-Pierre, Victor, Michel,
>
> Thanks!
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
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Last night very good copy of VO1NA and WD2XES

the captures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

































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Best of luck to you, Laurence!

73 Joe VO1NA

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007, Laurence KL1X wrote:

> Long haul to Eu tonight very good - DCF39 and Budapest are very clear -
> Budapest is way over s9  on 135.43
>
> looking 137.775 to 781.5
>
> Laurence 9V1LF
>
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Long haul to Eu tonight very good - DCF39 and Budapest are very clear - 
Budapest is way over s9  on 135.43

looking 137.775 to 781.5

Laurence 9V1LF

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Hello Jim attached my screen capture on 503.655 kHz received with my  small 
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Best 73  from F4DTL in JN18FP




   

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Hi all,

I am applying for a NOV for 500kHz.

I have a couple of questions which I am hoping you may be able to help
me with.

Assuming that I run QRO ERP (-10dBW) can someone give me some help to
what my field strength will be at the neighbours boundary.

9m vertical, 3 wire capacity hat, Clay bed for a groundplane..
Vertical is 3m from the boundary, 5m from the neighbours..

Also what modes are people using - I guess CW and FSK..

Thanks

Martyn


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Hi Henny,  That could be NA.  QRV since about 2337 UTC 28 June.

Many thanks to g3wcb f1afj pa3fny g4wgt pa3cpm Wim  f6cwn and
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gratifying on the final days of the NA transatlantic adventure.

73 to all
Joe

On Thu, 28 Jun 2007, henny van elst wrote:

> capture 137.777 ?
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> 73.


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I've not found a s/mode wall wart yet that was adequately quiet, RF 
wise.
Most are quite 'nasty'.
Same goes for a lot of laptop AC adaptors/chargers, as well as
quite a few mains driven battery chargers for camcorder batteries and 
the like.
ZL3FJ

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Might be of general interest...

Severe MW pulses with mains PRF, common-mode via BT-lines throughout 
village [300yds from MF antenna].

Two Belkin Wireless Routers powered-up, but no Sync LED & no B/B 
connection [std ADSL modem ok - no RFI].

RFI-detector FSD near BT line & dc-lead from s/mode wall-wart 
[12V/1.25A model: DSA-0151A-12 K].

Replaced with generic type, Sync ok, B/B ok.

BT-line noise now low, similar to std ADSL "Frog" modem.

Nasty little wart now in safe-custody - time for a pint!

Rog.




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Hi all, just wondering if this signal is off air tonight as nothing 
received tonight, vy quiet on the band.

Ive currently got a beacon running on 137.720 with a cobbled together 
setup, anyone hearing it?

Rob
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Dear friends,
           I will be on the HAMRADIO in Friedrichshafen the next days, =
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73   Walter    DI2AG / DJ2LF

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Hi Joe & LF,

Tried testing my prototype shielded loop & tunable pre-amp over night & very 
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73

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It depends how you are measuring the reactance I guess  Warren, If you are
using a selective method i.e. a receiver as a null detector you should not
get that problem, It it is a wideband detector style noise bridge then that
could be a problem.

 It is a little difficult to image how enviromental loss would increase the
reactance by that much. The only other thing I can think of is "dirty"
insulators ?? These would have most effect at higher powers and not a
measurment sort of levels. I have only "run out of coil" when the
capacitance has been radiacally reduced, it would normally be increased i
guess by foliage and though you would get more loss you should be able to
resonate it with less turns.
40 ohms reactive is 7nF or 140uH at 500kHz which makes it even stranger.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: <k2ors@comcast.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 21 June 2007 14:04
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: LF Vertical Antennas problem...


> Thanks Andy and Tom for the suggestions.
> Feedline is balanced 450 ohm ladder line w/ #14 conductors.
>
> I'm beginning to think that Bill Ashlock was correct in suggesting that
the extra 10dB loss is due to summer conditions (full foliage etc) compared
to winter conditions  and perhaps my reactance readings are unreliable
(perhaps due to stray rf from BC stations)
>
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
>
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> > It would. The Hi-Q quarter wave resonator formed by the shorted coax,
> > interacting with the reactances of the antenna could cause all sorts of
> > issues.  Compre this situation with the parallel and series resonances
of a
> > crystal
> >
> > Andy  G4JNT
> > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt
> >
> >
> >
> > On 21/06/07, Tom Boucher <tom@telemetry.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > > Warren
> > >
> > > I also had a strange effect when strapping a coax fed 80m dipole at
ground
> > > level for use as a 160m 'TEE'. It appeared to show 2 resonant
frequencies
> > > a
> > > few Khz apart. When I strapped the feeder at the top as well as the
bottom
> > > of the feeder, all was OK!
> > > 73
> > > Tom G3OLB
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
> > > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:29 AM
> > > Subject: LF: Re: LF Vertical Antennas problem...
> > >
> > >
> > > > Hi Warren that sounds familiar !! I think you are using covered
wire, my
> > > > guess is a break on one leg so that you do not have enough
capacitance
> > > to
> > > > resonate with the original coils. A top-band dipole will still work
> > > quite
> > > > well with one leg disconnected. Can you leave out the loading coil
and
> > > > measure the resonance frequency of the wire T alone that might give
some
> > > > clues. I have had this effect when part of the top load comes
> > > > disconnected.
> > > >
> > > > Good Luck with it
> > > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: <k2ors@comcast.net>
> > > > To: rsgb lf reflector <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; rsgb lf
reflector
> > > > <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > > > Sent: 20 June 2007 23:28
> > > > Subject: LF: LF Vertical Antennas problem...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Hello the list,
> > > >>
> > > >>     I have in the past used my 160 meter dipole as a vertical "T"
by
> > > >> tying
> > > > the feeders together and using a tapped loading coil to resonate and
> > > match
> > > > the antenna. I could get a perfect 50 ohm match in this manner and
it
> > > > radiated quite well - Hartmut copied my transmission running around
100
> > > > watts. I have also used the same setup on 500kHz with a different
> > > loading
> > > > coil successfully.
> > > >>
> > > >>    Now I find that I cannot resonate the antenna - I can't
eliminate
> > > the
> > > > reactance no matter what the setting of the tap or the coil. The
best I
> > > > can
> > > > do is an swr of 1.7:1 and at least 40 ohms of reactance. I have
tried
> > > > changing coils and still the problem persists.  If I do transmit
this
> > > way,
> > > > my signal seems to be down at least 10dB below what it was when the
> > > > antenna
> > > > resonated properly. Any thoughts?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
> > > >> FN42hi
> > > >> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>



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Thanks Andy and Tom for the suggestions.
Feedline is balanced 450 ohm ladder line w/ #14 conductors.

I'm beginning to think that Bill Ashlock was correct in suggesting that the extra 10dB loss is due to summer conditions (full foliage etc) compared to winter conditions  and perhaps my reactance readings are unreliable (perhaps due to stray rf from BC stations)


--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> It would. The Hi-Q quarter wave resonator formed by the shorted coax,
> interacting with the reactances of the antenna could cause all sorts of
> issues.  Compre this situation with the parallel and series resonances of a
> crystal
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
> www.scrbg.org/g4jnt
> 
> 
> 
> On 21/06/07, Tom Boucher <tom@telemetry.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> > Warren
> >
> > I also had a strange effect when strapping a coax fed 80m dipole at ground
> > level for use as a 160m 'TEE'. It appeared to show 2 resonant frequencies
> > a
> > few Khz apart. When I strapped the feeder at the top as well as the bottom
> > of the feeder, all was OK!
> > 73
> > Tom G3OLB
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:29 AM
> > Subject: LF: Re: LF Vertical Antennas problem...
> >
> >
> > > Hi Warren that sounds familiar !! I think you are using covered wire, my
> > > guess is a break on one leg so that you do not have enough capacitance
> > to
> > > resonate with the original coils. A top-band dipole will still work
> > quite
> > > well with one leg disconnected. Can you leave out the loading coil and
> > > measure the resonance frequency of the wire T alone that might give some
> > > clues. I have had this effect when part of the top load comes
> > > disconnected.
> > >
> > > Good Luck with it
> > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <k2ors@comcast.net>
> > > To: rsgb lf reflector <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; rsgb lf reflector
> > > <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > > Sent: 20 June 2007 23:28
> > > Subject: LF: LF Vertical Antennas problem...
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hello the list,
> > >>
> > >>     I have in the past used my 160 meter dipole as a vertical "T" by
> > >> tying
> > > the feeders together and using a tapped loading coil to resonate and
> > match
> > > the antenna. I could get a perfect 50 ohm match in this manner and it
> > > radiated quite well - Hartmut copied my transmission running around 100
> > > watts. I have also used the same setup on 500kHz with a different
> > loading
> > > coil successfully.
> > >>
> > >>    Now I find that I cannot resonate the antenna - I can't eliminate
> > the
> > > reactance no matter what the setting of the tap or the coil. The best I
> > > can
> > > do is an swr of 1.7:1 and at least 40 ohms of reactance. I have tried
> > > changing coils and still the problem persists.  If I do transmit this
> > way,
> > > my signal seems to be down at least 10dB below what it was when the
> > > antenna
> > > resonated properly. Any thoughts?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
> > >> FN42hi
> > >> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >



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<div>It would.&nbsp;The Hi-Q&nbsp;quarter wave resonator formed by the shorted coax, interacting with the reactances of the antenna could cause all sorts of issues.&nbsp;&nbsp;Compre this situation with the parallel and series resonances of a crystal
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Andy&nbsp; G4JNT</div>
<div><a href="http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt">www.scrbg.org/g4jnt</a></div>
<div><br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 21/06/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Tom Boucher</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:tom@telemetry.demon.co.uk">tom@telemetry.demon.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Warren<br><br>I also had a strange effect when strapping a coax fed 80m dipole at ground<br>level for use as a 160m &#39;TEE&#39;. It appeared to show 2 resonant frequencies a
<br>few Khz apart. When I strapped the feeder at the top as well as the bottom<br>of the feeder, all was OK!<br>73<br>Tom G3OLB<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: &quot;Alan Melia&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alan.melia@btinternet.com">
alan.melia@btinternet.com</a>&gt;<br>To: &lt;<a href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:29 AM<br>Subject: LF: Re: LF Vertical Antennas problem...
<br><br><br>&gt; Hi Warren that sounds familiar !! I think you are using covered wire, my<br>&gt; guess is a break on one leg so that you do not have enough capacitance to<br>&gt; resonate with the original coils. A top-band dipole will still work quite
<br>&gt; well with one leg disconnected. Can you leave out the loading coil and<br>&gt; measure the resonance frequency of the wire T alone that might give some<br>&gt; clues. I have had this effect when part of the top load comes
<br>&gt; disconnected.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Good Luck with it<br>&gt; Cheers de Alan G3NYK<br>&gt;<br>&gt; ----- Original Message -----<br>&gt; From: &lt;<a href="mailto:k2ors@comcast.net">k2ors@comcast.net</a>&gt;<br>&gt; To: rsgb lf reflector &lt;
<a href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>&gt;; rsgb lf reflector<br>&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>&gt;<br>&gt; Sent: 20 June 2007 23:28
<br>&gt; Subject: LF: LF Vertical Antennas problem...<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Hello the list,<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have in the past used my 160 meter dipole as a vertical &quot;T&quot; by<br>&gt;&gt; tying<br>
&gt; the feeders together and using a tapped loading coil to resonate and match<br>&gt; the antenna. I could get a perfect 50 ohm match in this manner and it<br>&gt; radiated quite well - Hartmut copied my transmission running around 100
<br>&gt; watts. I have also used the same setup on 500kHz with a different loading<br>&gt; coil successfully.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Now I find that I cannot resonate the antenna - I can&#39;t eliminate the<br>&gt; reactance no matter what the setting of the tap or the coil. The best I
<br>&gt; can<br>&gt; do is an swr of 1.7:1 and at least 40 ohms of reactance. I have tried<br>&gt; changing coils and still the problem persists.&nbsp;&nbsp;If I do transmit this way,<br>&gt; my signal seems to be down at least 10dB below what it was when the
<br>&gt; antenna<br>&gt; resonated properly. Any thoughts?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; --<br>&gt;&gt; 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2<br>&gt;&gt; FN42hi<br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm">
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm</a><br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br><br><br></blockquote></div><br>

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The way I look at it Andy, is that the coax fed dipole is an un-balanced =
system, so I had two antennas in parallel, each resonant on a slightly =
different frequency. I bet if I had used twin balanced feeder, the =
problem would not have occurred.

Tom G3OLB
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Andy Talbot=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 9:38 AM
  Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: LF Vertical Antennas problem...


  It would. The Hi-Q quarter wave resonator formed by the shorted coax, =
interacting with the reactances of the antenna could cause all sorts of =
issues.  Compre this situation with the parallel and series resonances =
of a crystal=20

  Andy  G4JNT
  www.scrbg.org/g4jnt


  =20
  On 21/06/07, Tom Boucher <tom@telemetry.demon.co.uk> wrote:=20
    Warren

    I also had a strange effect when strapping a coax fed 80m dipole at =
ground
    level for use as a 160m 'TEE'. It appeared to show 2 resonant =
frequencies a=20
    few Khz apart. When I strapped the feeder at the top as well as the =
bottom
    of the feeder, all was OK!
    73
    Tom G3OLB

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Alan Melia" < alan.melia@btinternet.com>
    To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
    Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:29 AM
    Subject: LF: Re: LF Vertical Antennas problem...=20


    > Hi Warren that sounds familiar !! I think you are using covered =
wire, my
    > guess is a break on one leg so that you do not have enough =
capacitance to
    > resonate with the original coils. A top-band dipole will still =
work quite=20
    > well with one leg disconnected. Can you leave out the loading coil =
and
    > measure the resonance frequency of the wire T alone that might =
give some
    > clues. I have had this effect when part of the top load comes=20
    > disconnected.
    >
    > Good Luck with it
    > Cheers de Alan G3NYK
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: <k2ors@comcast.net>
    > To: rsgb lf reflector < rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; rsgb lf =
reflector
    > <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
    > Sent: 20 June 2007 23:28=20
    > Subject: LF: LF Vertical Antennas problem...
    >
    >
    >> Hello the list,
    >>
    >>     I have in the past used my 160 meter dipole as a vertical "T" =
by
    >> tying
    > the feeders together and using a tapped loading coil to resonate =
and match
    > the antenna. I could get a perfect 50 ohm match in this manner and =
it
    > radiated quite well - Hartmut copied my transmission running =
around 100=20
    > watts. I have also used the same setup on 500kHz with a different =
loading
    > coil successfully.
    >>
    >>    Now I find that I cannot resonate the antenna - I can't =
eliminate the
    > reactance no matter what the setting of the tap or the coil. The =
best I=20
    > can
    > do is an swr of 1.7:1 and at least 40 ohms of reactance. I have =
tried
    > changing coils and still the problem persists.  If I do transmit =
this way,
    > my signal seems to be down at least 10dB below what it was when =
the=20
    > antenna
    > resonated properly. Any thoughts?
    >>
    >>
    >> --
    >> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
    >> FN42hi
    >> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
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resonant=20
    frequencies a <BR>few Khz apart. When I strapped the feeder at the =
top as=20
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think you=20
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Alan=20
    G3NYK<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; ----- Original Message -----<BR>&gt; From: =
&lt;<A=20
    href=3D"mailto:k2ors@comcast.net">k2ors@comcast.net</A>&gt;<BR>&gt; =
To: rsgb=20
    lf reflector &lt; <A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</A>&gt;;=20
    rsgb lf reflector<BR>&gt; &lt;<A=20
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    problem...<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt; Hello the=20
    list,<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have in the =
past=20
    used my 160 meter dipole as a vertical "T" by<BR>&gt;&gt; =
tying<BR>&gt; the=20
    feeders together and using a tapped loading coil to resonate and=20
    match<BR>&gt; the antenna. I could get a perfect 50 ohm match in =
this manner=20
    and it<BR>&gt; radiated quite well - Hartmut copied my transmission =
running=20
    around 100 <BR>&gt; watts. I have also used the same setup on 500kHz =
with a=20
    different loading<BR>&gt; coil=20
    successfully.<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Now I =
find that=20
    I cannot resonate the antenna - I can't eliminate the<BR>&gt; =
reactance no=20
    matter what the setting of the tap or the coil. The best I <BR>&gt;=20
    can<BR>&gt; do is an swr of 1.7:1 and at least 40 ohms of reactance. =
I have=20
    tried<BR>&gt; changing coils and still the problem =
persists.&nbsp;&nbsp;If I=20
    do transmit this way,<BR>&gt; my signal seems to be down at least =
10dB below=20
    what it was when the <BR>&gt; antenna<BR>&gt; resonated properly. =
Any=20
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It would. The Hi-Q quarter wave resonator formed by the shorted coax,
interacting with the reactances of the antenna could cause all sorts of
issues.  Compre this situation with the parallel and series resonances of a
crystal

Andy  G4JNT
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On 21/06/07, Tom Boucher <tom@telemetry.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> Warren
>
> I also had a strange effect when strapping a coax fed 80m dipole at ground
> level for use as a 160m 'TEE'. It appeared to show 2 resonant frequencies
> a
> few Khz apart. When I strapped the feeder at the top as well as the bottom
> of the feeder, all was OK!
> 73
> Tom G3OLB
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:29 AM
> Subject: LF: Re: LF Vertical Antennas problem...
>
>
> > Hi Warren that sounds familiar !! I think you are using covered wire, my
> > guess is a break on one leg so that you do not have enough capacitance
> to
> > resonate with the original coils. A top-band dipole will still work
> quite
> > well with one leg disconnected. Can you leave out the loading coil and
> > measure the resonance frequency of the wire T alone that might give some
> > clues. I have had this effect when part of the top load comes
> > disconnected.
> >
> > Good Luck with it
> > Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <k2ors@comcast.net>
> > To: rsgb lf reflector <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; rsgb lf reflector
> > <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: 20 June 2007 23:28
> > Subject: LF: LF Vertical Antennas problem...
> >
> >
> >> Hello the list,
> >>
> >>     I have in the past used my 160 meter dipole as a vertical "T" by
> >> tying
> > the feeders together and using a tapped loading coil to resonate and
> match
> > the antenna. I could get a perfect 50 ohm match in this manner and it
> > radiated quite well - Hartmut copied my transmission running around 100
> > watts. I have also used the same setup on 500kHz with a different
> loading
> > coil successfully.
> >>
> >>    Now I find that I cannot resonate the antenna - I can't eliminate
> the
> > reactance no matter what the setting of the tap or the coil. The best I
> > can
> > do is an swr of 1.7:1 and at least 40 ohms of reactance. I have tried
> > changing coils and still the problem persists.  If I do transmit this
> way,
> > my signal seems to be down at least 10dB below what it was when the
> > antenna
> > resonated properly. Any thoughts?
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
> >> FN42hi
> >> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>

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<div>It would.&nbsp;The Hi-Q&nbsp;quarter wave resonator formed by the shorted coax, interacting with the reactances of the antenna could cause all sorts of issues.&nbsp;&nbsp;Compre this situation with the parallel and series resonances of a crystal
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Andy&nbsp; G4JNT</div>
<div><a href="http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt">www.scrbg.org/g4jnt</a></div>
<div><br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 21/06/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Tom Boucher</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:tom@telemetry.demon.co.uk">tom@telemetry.demon.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Warren<br><br>I also had a strange effect when strapping a coax fed 80m dipole at ground<br>level for use as a 160m &#39;TEE&#39;. It appeared to show 2 resonant frequencies a
<br>few Khz apart. When I strapped the feeder at the top as well as the bottom<br>of the feeder, all was OK!<br>73<br>Tom G3OLB<br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: &quot;Alan Melia&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:alan.melia@btinternet.com">
alan.melia@btinternet.com</a>&gt;<br>To: &lt;<a href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>&gt;<br>Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 12:29 AM<br>Subject: LF: Re: LF Vertical Antennas problem...
<br><br><br>&gt; Hi Warren that sounds familiar !! I think you are using covered wire, my<br>&gt; guess is a break on one leg so that you do not have enough capacitance to<br>&gt; resonate with the original coils. A top-band dipole will still work quite
<br>&gt; well with one leg disconnected. Can you leave out the loading coil and<br>&gt; measure the resonance frequency of the wire T alone that might give some<br>&gt; clues. I have had this effect when part of the top load comes
<br>&gt; disconnected.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Good Luck with it<br>&gt; Cheers de Alan G3NYK<br>&gt;<br>&gt; ----- Original Message -----<br>&gt; From: &lt;<a href="mailto:k2ors@comcast.net">k2ors@comcast.net</a>&gt;<br>&gt; To: rsgb lf reflector &lt;
<a href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>&gt;; rsgb lf reflector<br>&gt; &lt;<a href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>&gt;<br>&gt; Sent: 20 June 2007 23:28
<br>&gt; Subject: LF: LF Vertical Antennas problem...<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; Hello the list,<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I have in the past used my 160 meter dipole as a vertical &quot;T&quot; by<br>&gt;&gt; tying<br>
&gt; the feeders together and using a tapped loading coil to resonate and match<br>&gt; the antenna. I could get a perfect 50 ohm match in this manner and it<br>&gt; radiated quite well - Hartmut copied my transmission running around 100
<br>&gt; watts. I have also used the same setup on 500kHz with a different loading<br>&gt; coil successfully.<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Now I find that I cannot resonate the antenna - I can&#39;t eliminate the<br>&gt; reactance no matter what the setting of the tap or the coil. The best I
<br>&gt; can<br>&gt; do is an swr of 1.7:1 and at least 40 ohms of reactance. I have tried<br>&gt; changing coils and still the problem persists.&nbsp;&nbsp;If I do transmit this way,<br>&gt; my signal seems to be down at least 10dB below what it was when the
<br>&gt; antenna<br>&gt; resonated properly. Any thoughts?<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;&gt; --<br>&gt;&gt; 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2<br>&gt;&gt; FN42hi<br>&gt;&gt; <a href="http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm">
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm</a><br>&gt;&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br><br><br></blockquote></div><br>

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Warren

I also had a strange effect when strapping a coax fed 80m dipole at ground 
level for use as a 160m 'TEE'. It appeared to show 2 resonant frequencies a 
few Khz apart. When I strapped the feeder at the top as well as the bottom 
of the feeder, all was OK!
73
Tom G3OLB

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hi Warren that sounds familiar !! I think you are using covered wire, my
> guess is a break on one leg so that you do not have enough capacitance to
> resonate with the original coils. A top-band dipole will still work quite
> well with one leg disconnected. Can you leave out the loading coil and
> measure the resonance frequency of the wire T alone that might give some
> clues. I have had this effect when part of the top load comes 
> disconnected.
>
> Good Luck with it
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <k2ors@comcast.net>
> To: rsgb lf reflector <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; rsgb lf reflector
> <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: 20 June 2007 23:28
> Subject: LF: LF Vertical Antennas problem...
>
>
>> Hello the list,
>>
>>     I have in the past used my 160 meter dipole as a vertical "T" by 
>> tying
> the feeders together and using a tapped loading coil to resonate and match
> the antenna. I could get a perfect 50 ohm match in this manner and it
> radiated quite well - Hartmut copied my transmission running around 100
> watts. I have also used the same setup on 500kHz with a different loading
> coil successfully.
>>
>>    Now I find that I cannot resonate the antenna - I can't eliminate the
> reactance no matter what the setting of the tap or the coil. The best I 
> can
> do is an swr of 1.7:1 and at least 40 ohms of reactance. I have tried
> changing coils and still the problem persists.  If I do transmit this way,
> my signal seems to be down at least 10dB below what it was when the 
> antenna
> resonated properly. Any thoughts?
>>
>>
>> --
>> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
>> FN42hi
>> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
>>
>
> 



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Dear Jim,

it would be very interesting to have a look at your TX design.

Attached is a schematic of a push-pull class E amplifier.
I have had good results with such a circuit at QRP levels on 80 and
160 meters with four paralleled junkbox 2N7000 on each side.

With high enough tank Q, the transistors won't notice they are in a
push-pull circuit since the high Q tank will keep the output current
fairly sinusoidal and the two transistors will not fight each other's
non-symmetrical drain waveforms.

73
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On 28 Jun 2007 at 19:59, Roger Lapthorn wrote:

> Where can we find this schematic please?

Perhaps somebody can put it on a website somewhere....

73 Dave G3YMC

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James,

Where can we find this schematic please?

73s
Roger G3XBM

On 28/06/07, James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:
>
> Dear LF Group,
>
> I drew up a circuit diagram of my new 500kHz transmitter design in case
> anyone is interested.
>
> It uses a "half-bridge" voltage-switching class D PA with complementary N
> and P channel mosfets. The idea of this is that the push-pull design
> minimises 2nd harmonic levels at around 1MHz, and the complementary
> mosfets
> simplify the gate drive requirements somewhat. It uses cheap IRF520 and
> IRF9520 devices, and produces a maximum output of about 11W with 13.8V DC
> supply. It can easily run at different power levels by changing the number
> of turns on the output transformer. I included DC current limiting  in the
> keying circuit, which allows the PA to operate into open, short, and
> reactive loads without apparent distress.
>
> It has a VFO based on a 4MHz ceramic resonator and divide-by-8 counter.
> This
> covered the whole band with several resonators I tried, and drifts by a
> few
> hertz per hour, which is satisfactory for most purposes.
>
> The circuit diagram is the basic CW transmitter for now. I have also added
> various other bits and pieces such as variable output power, FSK for DFCW,
> and a RF voltage/current/phase output metering system for easy antenna
> tuning, but will have to draw  these up later. The image is slightly too
> big
> to be sent via the reflector, but if anyone would like a copy, let me know
> and I will e-mail it direct.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>

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James,<br><br>Where can we find this schematic please?<br><br>73s<br>Roger G3XBM<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 28/06/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">James Moritz</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:james.moritz@btopenworld.com">
james.moritz@btopenworld.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Dear LF Group,<br><br>I drew up a circuit diagram of my new 500kHz transmitter design in case
<br>anyone is interested.<br><br>It uses a &quot;half-bridge&quot; voltage-switching class D PA with complementary N<br>and P channel mosfets. The idea of this is that the push-pull design<br>minimises 2nd harmonic levels at around 1MHz, and the complementary mosfets
<br>simplify the gate drive requirements somewhat. It uses cheap IRF520 and<br>IRF9520 devices, and produces a maximum output of about 11W with 13.8V DC<br>supply. It can easily run at different power levels by changing the number
<br>of turns on the output transformer. I included DC current limiting&nbsp;&nbsp;in the<br>keying circuit, which allows the PA to operate into open, short, and<br>reactive loads without apparent distress.<br><br>It has a VFO based on a 4MHz ceramic resonator and divide-by-8 counter. This
<br>covered the whole band with several resonators I tried, and drifts by a few<br>hertz per hour, which is satisfactory for most purposes.<br><br>The circuit diagram is the basic CW transmitter for now. I have also added
<br>various other bits and pieces such as variable output power, FSK for DFCW,<br>and a RF voltage/current/phase output metering system for easy antenna<br>tuning, but will have to draw&nbsp;&nbsp;these up later. The image is slightly too big
<br>to be sent via the reflector, but if anyone would like a copy, let me know<br>and I will e-mail it direct.<br><br>Cheers, Jim Moritz<br>73 de M0BMU<br><br><br></blockquote></div><br>

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Dear LF Group,

I drew up a circuit diagram of my new 500kHz transmitter design in case
anyone is interested.

It uses a "half-bridge" voltage-switching class D PA with complementary N
and P channel mosfets. The idea of this is that the push-pull design
minimises 2nd harmonic levels at around 1MHz, and the complementary mosfets
simplify the gate drive requirements somewhat. It uses cheap IRF520 and
IRF9520 devices, and produces a maximum output of about 11W with 13.8V DC
supply. It can easily run at different power levels by changing the number
of turns on the output transformer. I included DC current limiting  in the
keying circuit, which allows the PA to operate into open, short, and
reactive loads without apparent distress.

It has a VFO based on a 4MHz ceramic resonator and divide-by-8 counter. This
covered the whole band with several resonators I tried, and drifts by a few
hertz per hour, which is satisfactory for most purposes.

The circuit diagram is the basic CW transmitter for now. I have also added
various other bits and pieces such as variable output power, FSK for DFCW,
and a RF voltage/current/phase output metering system for easy antenna
tuning, but will have to draw  these up later. The image is slightly too big
to be sent via the reflector, but if anyone would like a copy, let me know
and I will e-mail it direct.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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This one had more ERP than my Tx!
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Dave Brown=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2007 1:31 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 500; RFI source captured...


I've not found a s/mode wall wart yet that was adequately quiet, RF=20
wise.
Most are quite 'nasty'.
Same goes for a lot of laptop AC adaptors/chargers, as well as
quite a few mains driven battery chargers for camcorder batteries and=20
the like.
ZL3FJ

----- Original Message -----=20
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Subject: LF: 500; RFI source captured...


Might be of general interest...

Severe MW pulses with mains PRF, common-mode via BT-lines throughout=20
village [300yds from MF antenna].

Two Belkin Wireless Routers powered-up, but no Sync LED & no B/B=20
connection [std ADSL modem ok - no RFI].

RFI-detector FSD near BT line & dc-lead from s/mode wall-wart=20
[12V/1.25A model: DSA-0151A-12 K].

Replaced with generic type, Sync ok, B/B ok.

BT-line noise now low, similar to std ADSL "Frog" modem.

Nasty little wart now in safe-custody - time for a pint!

Rog.




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<DIV><BR></DIV>I've not found a s/mode wall wart yet that was adequately =
quiet,=20
RF <BR>wise.<BR>Most are quite 'nasty'.<BR>Same goes for a lot of laptop =
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Hi Jim:

I would appreciate a copy of  the schematic...at your convenience.  Send to 
n8tl@woh.rr.com .

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Tom N8TL
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: LF: 500kHz class D TX design


> Dear LF Group,
>
> I drew up a circuit diagram of my new 500kHz transmitter design in case
> anyone is interested.
>
> It uses a "half-bridge" voltage-switching class D PA with complementary N
> and P channel mosfets. The idea of this is that the push-pull design
> minimises 2nd harmonic levels at around 1MHz, and the complementary 
> mosfets
> simplify the gate drive requirements somewhat. It uses cheap IRF520 and
> IRF9520 devices, and produces a maximum output of about 11W with 13.8V DC
> supply. It can easily run at different power levels by changing the number
> of turns on the output transformer. I included DC current limiting  in the
> keying circuit, which allows the PA to operate into open, short, and
> reactive loads without apparent distress.
>
> It has a VFO based on a 4MHz ceramic resonator and divide-by-8 counter. 
> This
> covered the whole band with several resonators I tried, and drifts by a 
> few
> hertz per hour, which is satisfactory for most purposes.
>
> The circuit diagram is the basic CW transmitter for now. I have also added
> various other bits and pieces such as variable output power, FSK for DFCW,
> and a RF voltage/current/phase output metering system for easy antenna
> tuning, but will have to draw  these up later. The image is slightly too 
> big
> to be sent via the reflector, but if anyone would like a copy, let me know
> and I will e-mail it direct.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
> -- 
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> 10:56 AM
> 



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>P&O Ferries (whom P&O do still own) discontinued 500kHz after the
introduction of GMDSS.


I have not seen any wire type antennas for several years now on any of the
container ships, tankers or cruise ships that I see going and coming to
Vancouver. The disappearance of these antennas from commercial ships was
almost immediate once that CW and 500kHz, along with the resident RO's,  had
been dropped.

Steve / VE7SL

Mayne Island, B.C.



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Sylt Loran is off air at the moment.

73
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Hi Graham & LF,

Grab of G0NBD testing.

Receiving with HF vertical & pre-amp, not far away at Chorley, Lancashire..

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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Zitat von F4DTL@aol.com:

> Hello Uwe, nice copy of yur DI2BE beacon on 505.120 kHz this  evening with my
> new asian active antenna (a TG35 very small ferrite rod and  amplifier
> powered by one solar cell and small battery) receiver is a  IC7400.
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Thanks for report and screenshot.
conc the TG35: can you pse make some comments on it. do you have the 
possibility
to compare it with the MiniWhip?
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Thanks for looking for my signal guys,

I will switch off at 22:00, got to get up for work tomorrow but it will 
be back on at 18:00 local tomorrow evening for a few hours while i check 
a few more things out, i've put some info on my website about current setup!

73
Rob




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Dear Rob, LF Group,

Nothing audible or visible on 137.720kHz at the moment except Loran and lots
of QRN. I heard a short burst of something a few minutes ago, but it was
only on very briefly.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


----- Original Message -----
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> Hi all, just wondering if this signal is off air tonight as nothing
> received tonight, vy quiet on the band.
>
> Ive currently got a beacon running on 137.720 with a cobbled together
> setup, anyone hearing it?
>
> Rob
> M0DTS
>
>



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Hi Rob,

Just checked & no signal on 138.83 KHz.

Your beacon just audible on PA0RDT mini-whip at 15 feet.
Screen grab attatched.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hi all, just wondering if this signal is off air tonight as nothing 
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> 
> Rob
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Jean-Pierre, Victor, Michel, Henny,

Thanks for your reports. I should be able to join Joe for another night, 
and will miss his company after that.

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Last night very good copy of VO1NA and WD2XES

the captures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

































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Henny, Jean-Pierre and Nicolas,

Many thanks for the fine captures of the signals.  It appears
as if conditions are very good.  The aerial current was down a
little: 4.5 amps with 1200 watts DC input to the Decca amp.

A strong copy was also seen on Markus' DF6NM site as well.

73 to all
Joe VO1NA



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Dear Dave, LF Group,

I did reply to your CQ earlier, you were RST 449 in the local QRM here, but
no response. The beacon is a test of a new 500kHz TX (This one has a box and
front panel amongst other luxuries!), partly to see how much the VFO drifts
when the TX has been running for a while. So far so good...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Hi Dave,
 
Thanks for the comments.  Must say I have never heard of the time  problem 
with aol.  In future if time is important I'll have to state it in  the message. 
 Unless there is a fix?
 
Sorry I haven't got into web sites - seems a lot of work and I always  have 
so many other things to do.  Perhaps in my old age!
 
I am not really surprised that you didn't hear me earlier as I have only  
ever heard 2 stations in daylight, one from Wales and another from  N.Ireland.  
Nor have I heard a 'proper qso' yet.  All I hear are  beacon signals. 
 
Look forward to working you one day Dave.
 
73 Peter
 at 21:11 GMT
 
 
In a message dated 27/06/2007 20:38:38 Greenwich Standard Time,  
dave@davesergeant.com writes:

On 27  Jun 2007 at 15:58, ColePe@aol.com wrote:

> Hullo Dave,
>  
> I am transmitting at the moment and have just returned from  monitoring
> my  signal about 1 mile away.  It sounds good on  my portable rx but I
> have  my doubts if it will be heard at any  great distance until after
> dark.  I'll  be switching off  soon but will make more tests from
> around 10.30 pm.
> 
>  Thanks for listening.

Not sure what 'Now' is when your posting is timed  in Eastern Daylight 
Time (a quirk of AOL...).

Have listened a few  times tonight (in between sporadic E openings on 
12m and 10m) and heard  nothing from you. M0BMU is a big signal higher 
up the band and I heard  traces of SM6BHZ but nothing else. I put out 
a couple of short CQs earlier  but no replies (surprise, 
surprise....).

By the way I have added a  few more 500kHz pages to my website, quite 
a lot of information down there  now. But I need links to OTHER 500kHz 
sites, if you have one please let me  know and I will add it to the 
'Activity'  page.

http://www.davesergeant.com/mf/ - follow the links on the menu to  the 
TX, antenna and activity pages.

73 Dave  G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com








   

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Hi, Peter.

I'll look out for you. If you could send at 6 wpm it might help, because I
can wind the RX bandwidth right down.

G4GDR is calling CQ on 501.950, and M0BMU is in DFCW beacon mode on 503.655.
Somebody just sent "??" on 501.5, but I didn't catch any callsign.

CUL perhaps!

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM (2205bst)
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of ColePe@aol.com
  Sent: 27 June 2007 21:56
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  Subject: Re: LF: [500] 502kHz test transmissions


  Dave,
  My nominal frequency is 502kHz (derived from a 3515kHz crystal divided by
7) and I was transmitting 12 wpm cw using MixW.  I have never used QRSS so I
do not have a program for it. I will start sending about 10.30 until I
retire around 11-11.15.

  At the moment I am monitoring a very weak signal on 501.5. Can just see
the trace on Spectran but can't decipher the cw as and it is too weak to
hear in the headphones.

  CUL? Peter


  In a message dated 27/06/2007 20:23:30 Greenwich Standard Time,
ganymede444@btopenworld.com writes:
    Hi, Peter.

    I should be able to listen until about 11.30pm, then I'll be switching
to 137.777 kHz to listen for VO1NA and WD2XES. What frequency and mode will
you be using? If you can run QRSS, then I might stand a chance of hearing
("seeing") you, even if you are running low power.

    73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, SE England

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Dave,
My nominal frequency is 502kHz (derived from a 3515kHz crystal divided by  7) 
and I was transmitting 12 wpm cw using MixW.  I have never used QRSS so  I do 
not have a program for it. I will start sending about 10.30 until I retire  
around 11-11.15.
 
At the moment I am monitoring a very weak signal on 501.5. Can just  see the 
trace on Spectran but can't decipher the cw as and it is too weak to  hear in 
the headphones.
 
CUL? Peter
 
 
In a message dated 27/06/2007 20:23:30 Greenwich Standard Time,  
ganymede444@btopenworld.com writes:

Hi, Peter.
 
I should be able to listen until about  11.30pm, then I'll be switching to 
137.777 kHz to listen for VO1NA and WD2XES.  What frequency and mode will you be 
using? If you can run QRSS, then I might  stand a chance of hearing 
("seeing") you, even if you are running low  power.
 
73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, SE  England








   

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On 27 Jun 2007 at 15:58, ColePe@aol.com wrote:

> Hullo Dave,
> 
> I am transmitting at the moment and have just returned from monitoring
> my  signal about 1 mile away.  It sounds good on my portable rx but I
> have  my doubts if it will be heard at any great distance until after
> dark.  I'll  be switching off soon but will make more tests from
> around 10.30 pm.
> 
> Thanks for listening.

Not sure what 'Now' is when your posting is timed in Eastern Daylight 
Time (a quirk of AOL...).

Have listened a few times tonight (in between sporadic E openings on 
12m and 10m) and heard nothing from you. M0BMU is a big signal higher 
up the band and I heard traces of SM6BHZ but nothing else. I put out 
a couple of short CQs earlier but no replies (surprise, 
surprise....).

By the way I have added a few more 500kHz pages to my website, quite 
a lot of information down there now. But I need links to OTHER 500kHz 
sites, if you have one please let me know and I will add it to the 
'Activity' page.

http://www.davesergeant.com/mf/ - follow the links on the menu to the 
TX, antenna and activity pages.

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com



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Hi, Peter.

I should be able to listen until about 11.30pm, then I'll be switching to
137.777 kHz to listen for VO1NA and WD2XES. What frequency and mode will you
be using? If you can run QRSS, then I might stand a chance of hearing
("seeing") you, even if you are running low power.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM nr Windsor, SE England
  -----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of ColePe@aol.com
  Sent: 27 June 2007 20:59
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: Re: LF: [500] 502kHz test transmissions


  Hullo Dave,

  I am transmitting at the moment and have just returned from monitoring my
signal about 1 mile away.  It sounds good on my portable rx but I have my
doubts if it will be heard at any great distance until after dark.  I'll be
switching off soon but will make more tests from around 10.30 pm.

  Thanks for listening.

  73 Peter

  In a message dated 27/06/2007 19:17:23 Greenwich Standard Time,
ganymede444@btopenworld.com writes:
    Dear Peter,

    I'm looking now. No sign yet...

    73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
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      I shall be making some test transmissions this evening around 502kHz.
Estimated 25mW erp with a very inefficient aerial/earth system. If anyone
hears me I would appreciate a report.

      I am not yet in 'qso mode' as I have still to arrange Tx/Rx change
over switching.

      73 Peter G3JFS

      Plymouth IO70WJ

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D225321720-27062007>Hi, Peter.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D225321720-27062007></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D225321720-27062007>I should be able to listen until =
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but I=20
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  dark.&nbsp; I'll be switching off soon but will make more =
tests&nbsp;from=20
  around 10.30 pm.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Thanks for&nbsp;listening.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>In a message dated 27/06/2007 19:17:23 Greenwich Standard Time,=20
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    <DIV><SPAN class=3D138031419-27062007>I'm looking now. No sign=20
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Hullo Dave,
 
I am transmitting at the moment and have just returned from monitoring my  
signal about 1 mile away.  It sounds good on my portable rx but I have  my 
doubts if it will be heard at any great distance until after dark.  I'll  be 
switching off soon but will make more tests from around 10.30 pm.
 
Thanks for listening.
 
73 Peter 
 
In a message dated 27/06/2007 19:17:23 Greenwich Standard Time,  
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Dear Peter,
 
I'm looking now. No sign  yet...
 
73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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I shall be making some test transmissions this evening around 502kHz.  
Estimated 25mW erp with a very inefficient aerial/earth system. If anyone  hears me 
I would appreciate a report.
 
I am not yet in 'qso mode' as I have still to arrange Tx/Rx change  over 
switching.
 
73 Peter G3JFS
 
Plymouth IO70WJ




 



   

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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D138031419-27062007>Dear Peter,</SPAN></DIV>
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I'm looking now. No sign yet...

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Thanks Henny.  It appears from your capture as if signals were getting stronger
just as the transmissions stopped.  The TX will be on got an extended period
tonight.

73
Joe

On Wed, 27 Jun 2007, henny van elst wrote:

> capture vo1na
> henny pa3cpm
> best 73


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Hi Jeff and group,
The wire is suspended from 2 10 metre towers.  The near tower is grounded
and bonded to a  mess of wires up to 100m long strewn about the site.
Tonight NA will be on from 0000-0900 UTC.  This will keep the electric
company happy... the idling power (bleeder and transformer magnetising
current) is about 500 watts. When Decca transmits, all the lights in the
house get a bit dimmer. The electric company has agreed to provide me
with a new pole transformer when I mentioned the voltage drops!

73
Joe VO1NA


On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, F6CWN wrote:

> 26./06/2007   1301z
>
> Good morning Joe,
> Thanks for the replay.
>
> What is the height of the vertical part of your LF antenna?
> Is it a wire or the tower?
> Is your tower grounding or not?
> (I would like to take the new PA on!)
>
> VY 73: Jeff / F6CWN
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Craig" <jcraig@mun.ca>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2007 12:11 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: T/A [137] last night : WD2XNS , WD2XES , VO1NA
>
>
> You're welcome too, Jean Pierre.  Also many thanks to
> PA3FNY F6CWN and PA3CPM for their reports as well. NA was putting
> between 4.7 and 5.1 amps  into the 100 metre wire last night with
> 20A at 60VDC input to the Decca amp.
>
> It was good to see some company: XNS and XES on the traces and I look
> forward to the day when we can have a 2 way QSO these fine stations
> once 2200m is designated a world wide amateur band.
>
> NA will be on again tonight.
>
> 73 to all
> Joe
>
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, John Andrews wrote:
>
> > Jean-Pierre,
> >
> > For my part, you're welcome. Thanks for the screen shots.
> >
> > John Andrews, W1TAG
> >
> > Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:
> > >
> > > Whaooooo! 3 transatlantic beacons on my screen!
> > > It is great happiness! as with good old days......
> > > Thank you very much Jay, John, Joe.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>


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26./06/2007   1301z

Good morning Joe,
Thanks for the replay.

What is the height of the vertical part of your LF antenna?
Is it a wire or the tower?
Is your tower grounding or not?
(I would like to take the new PA on!)

VY 73: Jeff / F6CWN


----- Original Message -----=20
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You're welcome too, Jean Pierre.  Also many thanks to
PA3FNY F6CWN and PA3CPM for their reports as well. NA was putting
between 4.7 and 5.1 amps  into the 100 metre wire last night with
20A at 60VDC input to the Decca amp.

It was good to see some company: XNS and XES on the traces and I look
forward to the day when we can have a 2 way QSO these fine stations
once 2200m is designated a world wide amateur band.

NA will be on again tonight.

73 to all
Joe

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, John Andrews wrote:

> Jean-Pierre,
>
> For my part, you're welcome. Thanks for the screen shots.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG
>
> Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:
> >
> > Whaooooo! 3 transatlantic beacons on my screen!
> > It is great happiness! as with good old days......
> > Thank you very much Jay, John, Joe.
>
>
>





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You're welcome too, Jean Pierre.  Also many thanks to
PA3FNY F6CWN and PA3CPM for their reports as well. NA was putting
between 4.7 and 5.1 amps  into the 100 metre wire last night with
20A at 60VDC input to the Decca amp.

It was good to see some company: XNS and XES on the traces and I look
forward to the day when we can have a 2 way QSO these fine stations
once 2200m is designated a world wide amateur band.

NA will be on again tonight.

73 to all
Joe

On Tue, 26 Jun 2007, John Andrews wrote:

> Jean-Pierre,
>
> For my part, you're welcome. Thanks for the screen shots.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG
>
> Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:
> >
> > Whaooooo! 3 transatlantic beacons on my screen!
> > It is great happiness! as with good old days......
> > Thank you very much Jay, John, Joe.
>
>
>


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Jean-Pierre,

For my part, you're welcome. Thanks for the screen shots.

John Andrews, W1TAG

Jean-Pierre M�r� wrote:
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> Whaooooo! 3 transatlantic beacons on my screen!
> It is great happiness! as with good old days......
> Thank you very much Jay, John, Joe.



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Whaooooo! 3 transatlantic beacons on my screen!
It is great happiness! as with good old days......
Thank you very much Jay, John, Joe.

very good copy of WD2XNS , WD2XES , VO1NA

the captures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

































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Mike

Not sure what happened tonight but I called you after finishing with =
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Tom G3OLB

----- Original Message -----=20
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  Tom,

  Nice to hear you agn after long time.

  =20

  You are 519 up here in SW Wales.  Perfectly readable on a quiet band.  =
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John GM4SLV" <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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> On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:42:49 EDT
> G3vtt@aol.com wrote:
>
That was me John G3KEV/Scarborough. I suppose I am your nearest active 500
stn.
Wrk xband if possible. Let me know ur qrg
73 Mal
>
> I've just put up a temporary 8m vertical for RX testing - heard G3KEQ(?)
> call CQ a few minutes ago. Will listen and watch SpectrumLab for you
> (No TX here yet!)
>
> Cheers,
>
> John GM4SLV
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> --
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In a message dated 30/06/2007 13:43:50 Greenwich Standard Time,  
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'afternoon all,
 
Just about to call CQ on 502 Kc/s. Local time 1442 BST. Anybody  about?
 
73
 
Colin
 
G3VTT



Colin,
 
Nothing heard yet but wiill be monitoring for next 10mins
 
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Thanks John. That must have been G3KEV. Currently CQing on 502......
 
73
 
Colin G3VTT
 
In a message dated 30/06/2007 14:51:18 GMT Standard Time,  
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> 'afternoon  all,
>  
> Just about to call CQ on 502 Kc/s. Local time 1442  BST. Anybody
> about? 
> 73
>  
>  Colin
>  
> G3VTT
> 
> 
> 
>   

Hi Colin

I've just put up a temporary 8m vertical for RX  testing - heard G3KEQ(?)
call CQ a few minutes ago. Will listen and watch  SpectrumLab for you
(No TX here yet!)

Cheers,

John  GM4SLV
Shetland Is

-- 
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On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 09:42:49 EDT
G3vtt@aol.com wrote:

> 'afternoon all,
>  
> Just about to call CQ on 502 Kc/s. Local time 1442 BST. Anybody
> about? 
> 73
>  
> Colin
>  
> G3VTT
> 
> 
> 
>    

Hi Colin

I've just put up a temporary 8m vertical for RX testing - heard G3KEQ(?)
call CQ a few minutes ago. Will listen and watch SpectrumLab for you
(No TX here yet!)

Cheers,

John GM4SLV
Shetland Is

-- 
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Member : RSGB, ARRL
Shetland Islands (EU-012) IP90GG 
Lerwick Radio Club : http://www.gm3zet.org


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'afternoon all,
 
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Hello Joe,

I understand.
I have just gone back up the k9ay antenna  in the rain...
The calendar says to us that we are in summer. I say: the calendar is a 
liar!
We cross fingers.

VY 73: Jeff


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Henny, Jeff, Dave,
>
> Wow! I believe that's six reports from last night... not bad for the end 
> of June. Thanks very much.
>
> Local thunderstorms may be a problem for tonight and tomorrow night. I 
> will operate if the weather permits.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
>
>
> 




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Henny, Jeff, Dave,

Wow! I believe that's six reports from last night... not bad for the end 
of June. Thanks very much.

Local thunderstorms may be a problem for tonight and tomorrow night. I 
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John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES



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Hi Dave,  and Wim
Thanks for the pics.  Tonight should be interesting.

73
Joe


On Wed, 27 Jun 2007, Dave G3WCB wrote:

> Joe, John , LF,
>
> Captures of NA, peaking at about 0245 utc, and XES, peaking slightly later
> at 0300 utc.
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
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Joe, John , LF,

Captures of NA, peaking at about 0245 utc, and XES, peaking slightly later
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  Good sigs from wd2xes and vo1na with a new desktop PC setup and the usual
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  73 to all
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uwe-jannsen@versanet.de wrote:
> Hi Ko,
> saw your grabber pic. did you catch the big carp?
> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx

Hi Uwe.
Not a single one, but my daughter catched 2 using Macaroni for bait

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Hi Ko,
saw your grabber pic. did you catch the big carp?
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Is the Panasonic system capable of being operated from an external
battery supply? A lot of the modern ones can use a backup battery but
are not designed to operate from an external DC source. But if it CAN
operate from an external DC supply then you could try that-your DC
supply may be a lot cleaner than the mains operated one in the system
itself.
But it may not  be the power supply. Switching garbage (internal
processors etc) could be getting out via the copper extension and
trunk cabling.

This is more of a challenge.  Does the Panasonic system have external
trunks or is it purely an internal system? If you can easily
disconnect all the internal extensions and reconnect one by one,
(listening for noise increase) you may get a better idea of the
coupling mechanism. You need to try disconnecting the trunks as well
if it has any.

The printer supply should probably be replaced with a quiet one-wont
be difficult unless it is providing multiple output voltages.

73
 DaveB.NZ, ZL3FJ





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Probert" <mjprobert@ynysdawelcottages.com>
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> Hello all,
>
>
>
> Many thanks to all who responded to my troubles re the above.
>
>
>
> When my son and colleagues arrived for work ( They run an on line
> retail
> business)  this morning and read the deluge of e mails they shut all
> systems
> down and we turned off the mains power supply. Fed underground.
>
> The phone lines are also fed underground but fixed about 25cms above
> ground
> for about 25m to the input socket.
>
> Using the main transmit antenna, 14mm top loaded vertical, and using
> a
> battery operated receiver the noise had disappeared completely.
> GI4DPE's
> beacon was S7. Only just detected it previously.
>
>
>
> I thought  we had been through this procedure before but with old
> age and
> failing memory I now recall this was done in relation to 80 m noise
> some
> time ago.
>
> Switching power back on we then went through the laborious process
> of
> shutting down the large amount of equipment-Server and network
> systems and
> numerous PC terminals printers etc.
>
> 2 devices are causing the problem.
>
>
>
> Firstly-fairly minor, a power supply to an HP 750 printer. Produces
> a
> carrier across the band.
>
>
>
> Secondly-- an internal telephone system. 20 line - 4 in use,
> Panasonic KXT
> 61610BE-" Electronic Modular Switching System"
>
> The reason I associated the interference with broad band adsl was
> that using
> a portable RX placed anywhere near the telephone line produced
> massive QRN,
> even to the extent that I could detect it under ground.
>
> I can only conclude that somehow this wonderful Electronic Modular
> Switching
> System is feeding back down the phone lines. I am not knowledgeable
> enough
> to know if this is possible but it certainly seems the case.
>
>
>
> I am greatly indebted  to all who offered solutions and secured the
> co
> operation of " workers" this end.
>
>
>
> I just hope some other gremlin does not appear again
>
>
>
> 73s
>
>
>
> Mike   GW4HXO.
>
>
>
> PS Anyone know of an internal phone system -QRM free ? or a possible
> filter
> solution ?
>
>


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Hi Jim,

   Thanks for the suggestions, when I get a chance I'm going to lower the dipole and check for oxidized connections, 'dry' joints etc.  The antenna has been up for a few years and could probably benefit from fresh connections.

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> Dear Warren, LF Group,
> 
> Assuming you are using the same loading coil as before, another possibility
> is that the loss resistance of the antenna has increased a lot - with a
> tapped loading coil there is a definite upper limit to the resistance which
> can be matched, which depends on the coil geometry. But it would probably
> still need something drastic to happen to the antenna to produce a large
> increase in Rloss, e.g. bad connection, etc.
> 
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <k2ors@comcast.net>
> To: "rsgb lf reflector" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; "rsgb lf reflector"
> <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 11:28 PM
> Subject: LF: LF Vertical Antennas problem...
> 
> 
> > Hello the list,
> 
> >    Now I find that I cannot resonate the antenna - I can't eliminate the
> reactance no matter what the setting of the tap or the coil. The best I can
> do is an swr of 1.7:1 and at least 40 ohms of reactance. I have tried
> changing coils and still the problem persists.  If I do transmit this way,
> my signal seems to be down at least 10dB below what it was when the antenna
> resonated properly. Any thoughts?
> >
> >
> > --
> > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
> > FN42hi
> > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
> >
> >
> 
> 



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Dear Warren, LF Group,

Assuming you are using the same loading coil as before, another possibility
is that the loss resistance of the antenna has increased a lot - with a
tapped loading coil there is a definite upper limit to the resistance which
can be matched, which depends on the coil geometry. But it would probably
still need something drastic to happen to the antenna to produce a large
increase in Rloss, e.g. bad connection, etc.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Hello the list,

>    Now I find that I cannot resonate the antenna - I can't eliminate the
reactance no matter what the setting of the tap or the coil. The best I can
do is an swr of 1.7:1 and at least 40 ohms of reactance. I have tried
changing coils and still the problem persists.  If I do transmit this way,
my signal seems to be down at least 10dB below what it was when the antenna
resonated properly. Any thoughts?
>
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
>
>



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Hi Warren that sounds familiar !! I think you are using covered wire, my
guess is a break on one leg so that you do not have enough capacitance to
resonate with the original coils. A top-band dipole will still work quite
well with one leg disconnected. Can you leave out the loading coil and
measure the resonance frequency of the wire T alone that might give some
clues. I have had this effect when part of the top load comes disconnected.

Good Luck with it
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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> Hello the list,
>
>     I have in the past used my 160 meter dipole as a vertical "T" by tying
the feeders together and using a tapped loading coil to resonate and match
the antenna. I could get a perfect 50 ohm match in this manner and it
radiated quite well - Hartmut copied my transmission running around 100
watts. I have also used the same setup on 500kHz with a different loading
coil successfully.
>
>    Now I find that I cannot resonate the antenna - I can't eliminate the
reactance no matter what the setting of the tap or the coil. The best I can
do is an swr of 1.7:1 and at least 40 ohms of reactance. I have tried
changing coils and still the problem persists.  If I do transmit this way,
my signal seems to be down at least 10dB below what it was when the antenna
resonated properly. Any thoughts?
>
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
>



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Hi Steve,

   Hard to say, I can resonate it as a dipole on 160 with my homebrew link coupled tuner - but I can't say if the settings  on the tuner are the same or not.  Don't do much 160 this time of year due to static so I don't have signal reports to go by either.

   I'm wondering if the connection between the feeder and the dipole has oxidized ?  I've checked the ground connection, which is much easier to do and it seems ok.


--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
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> 
> Warren - any changes in normal 160m characteristics when used as Web: "THE
> VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at  a dipole?
> 
> Steve / VE7SL
> 
> Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at   http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm
> 
> 
> 
> 



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Lets try that again...any changes in 160m operation when used as an ordinary
dipole on that band?

Steve / VE7SL


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Warren - any changes in normal 160m characteristics when used as Web: "THE
VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at  a dipole?

Steve / VE7SL

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Thanks again, Jean Pierre and Henny for the reports and captures.
It appears as if the sigs got weaker as the night progressed
but lets hope Alan can keep the effects of a solar storm away
until after tonight.  DFCW120 and 10 WPM again starting 0000 UTC.

73
Joe

On Wed, 20 Jun 2007, henny van elst wrote:

> capture vo1na
> 73 henny cpm


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G3UNT has been calling CQ all morning (still calling ) he has a good signal
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G3UNT has been calling CQ all morning (still calling ) he has a good signal here on the south coast.<br>I am sure he would appreciate a call.<br>Laurie G3AQC <br>

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Thanks for the reports from all who looked for my signal.

It has been interesting seeing how far i can get with a fairly basic 
setup, it's a shame i don't have any tall trees that i can attach LF 
antennas to...
I have some long fields but no good with horizontal antennas i have read 
somewhere...maybe a large balloon is the easiest option on calm day to 
radiate a bigger signal!

I hope to improve the grounding soon, maybe this weekend but it looks 
like it will be very wet... maybe not as wet as it looks in Glastonbury 
mind!

Will run the tx for some more tests over the weekend on same freq 
137.740 and see what comes of it.

Rob




Dave G3WCB wrote:
> Dear Rob, LF,
>
> There you go..... screen grab of your signal attatched. "O" copy at QRSS10.
> I came back from the pub, and there was your signal. The signal sort of
> faded into the noise (and so did the Loran lines) at about 2130 local time.
> If you want the full screenshot, I'll send it direct.
>
> Congratulations on making it to IO91RM. I make the QRB about 330 km.
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
>   



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Dear Rob, LF,

There you go..... screen grab of your signal attatched. "O" copy at QRSS10.
I came back from the pub, and there was your signal. The signal sort of
faded into the noise (and so did the Loran lines) at about 2130 local time.
If you want the full screenshot, I'll send it direct.

Congratulations on making it to IO91RM. I make the QRB about 330 km.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Rob, M0DTS
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: 138.8KHz


Thanks for looking for my signal guys,

I will switch off at 22:00, got to get up for work tomorrow but it will
be back on at 18:00 local tomorrow evening for a few hours while i check
a few more things out, i've put some info on my website about current setup!

73
Rob




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Hello Uwe,more infos about TG35 active antenna
 
_http://www.passband.com/tg35-portable-loop-antenna/_ 
(http://www.passband.com/tg35-portable-loop-antenna/) 
 
My TG35 is installed outdoor with some modifications against rain and wet  
conditions.
Its interresting because its a self powered and small active antenna.
I dont know at moment the performances on 137 kHz but maybe not really  good.
 
See pix and installation on the VHF beam mast.
 
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Best 73  from F4DTL in JN18FP

 
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Thank-you Henny and Jim for the reports.
Sorry to hear about the loran chatter, Jim.  We have that trouble
as well.

73 for now
Joe VO1NA

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, James Moritz wrote:

> Dear Joe,
>
> Also good copy here at about 0120 - 0150 utc. SNR was about 30dB at times
> with 0.04Hz FFT bandwidth, but unfortunately little chance of hearing your
> signal here due to the Loran chatter.
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> Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Dear Joe,

Also good copy here at about 0120 - 0150 utc. SNR was about 30dB at times
with 0.04Hz FFT bandwidth, but unfortunately little chance of hearing your
signal here due to the Loran chatter.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Thank-you Jean-Pierre and Victor.
It seems conditions are not quite as good and will get worse
as the storm Alan is predicting hits us.

Will give the Decca a rest tonight and for the next several days.

73 and thanks to all for the signal reports and encouragement.

Joe VO1NA

On Thu, 21 Jun 2007, Victor van Kooten wrote:

> Captured 2:00 z
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> 73
> Victor
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Dear Henny, Group,

Thanks for the interesting capture, but VO1NA was not active.
VO1MRC was on 137.5 kHz with a 5 WPM QRP beacon for the
ARRL Field Day (23-24th) but is now QRT.

NA will be on 137.777 kHz  tonight -- Alan is calling for
improving conditions.

73
Joe

On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, henny van elst wrote:

> capture vo1na . henny pa3cpm
> 73.


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Coming in fine in Bracknell Tom on 502.6. 569 peaking 579. Recording 
at http://my.opera.com/davews/blog/2007/06/05/500khz-recordings

Been looking again at my antenna impedance today. I have optimised 
and calibrated my G3LDO 3-meter impedance meter and now can make 
fairly accurate measurements sitting in the shack at the other end of 
my 22m of coax. I now know that the antenna resonates at 492kHz and 
has a resistive impedance of 26ohms there. If the weather holds off I 
shall be doing a few 'tweaks' over the next few days.

73 Dave G3YMC

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Thanks John and for the reports, Jean Pierre  and Jeff.  Audible TA sigs
are quite rare on LF.  I'll try again tonight starting with an dfcw120 NA
at 0000 followed by 10 WPM etc.

73
Joe

On Tue, 19 Jun 2007, John Andrews wrote:

> Jean-Pierre,
>
> Thanks for the captures. Great signal from Joe! XES will be off tonight
> due to expected thunderstorms.
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> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
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Jean-Pierre,

Thanks for the captures. Great signal from Joe! XES will be off tonight 
due to expected thunderstorms.

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Hello Joe , John and Jeff ,

Yes very good signal of VO1NA last night !
Also Good signal of WD2XES !
the captures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht



F6CWN a =E9crit :
> 19./06/2007   0153z
> =20
>  GM  Joe and all!
> =20
>  VO1NA is audible now (only parts, pings ~1 s)
> big signal start 0123z QRSS60
> =20
> 73: Jeff F6WN / JN09tt  (happy!)
> =20

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Capture of NA and XES

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John, LF,

Capture of XES, peaking at about 0305z utc attached. Signal was quite weak
compared to the night before.

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Zitat von Victor van Kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>:

> 500.120KHz
>
> 73
> Victor

Thanks Victor, seems the TX equipment is stable agn.
Best regards
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In a message dated 18/06/2007 22:31:47 GMT Daylight Time,  
Nick.Mclean@foxtel.com.au writes:

It should be a fairly  simple matter to build some telephone line low pass 
filters using a handful of  inductors and capacitors and fitting to each line as 
close to the telephone  system as possible. Has anyone on the group made such 
devices before we  re-invent the wheel here?


----------------------
 
I'm not familiar with this particular equipment but have used  older Lucent 
internal exchanges that operated on a 4 wire system, 2  for analogue speech and 
2 for system data lines, where filtering the data  lines would not have been 
a good idea.
 
Later Lucent kit went back to a 2 wire system, but one that that was  purely 
digital, the only place voice recorders, for example, would  operate was 
straight off the handset, so again line filtering wouldn't be  very helpful.
 
With more and more systems going digital it might be advisable to  
investigate this particular system further before starting to add any form of  filtering 
to the lines.
 
regards
 
Nigel
GM8PZR



   

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Hello Michael and the group,

It should be a fairly simple matter to build some telephone line low
pass filters using a handful of inductors and capacitors and fitting to
each line as close to the telephone system as possible. Has anyone on
the group made such devices before we re-invent the wheel here?

73's

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Nic McLean

VK5ZAT / VK2KXN

Installation Supervisor

Tel:  02 99410619

Fax: 02 98139009=20

Mobile:  0417 822 728

=20

Hello all,

=20

Many thanks to all who responded to my troubles re the above.

=20

=20

Secondly-- an internal telephone system. 20 line - 4 in use, Panasonic
KXT 61610BE-" Electronic Modular Switching System"

I can only conclude that somehow this wonderful Electronic Modular
Switching System is feeding back down the phone lines. I am not
knowledgeable enough to know if this is possible but it certainly seems
the case.

=20

=20

PS Anyone know of an internal phone system -QRM free ? or a possible
filter solution ?


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>It should be a fairly simple matter to
build some telephone line low pass filters using a handful of inductors and
capacitors and fitting to each line as close to the telephone system as
possible. Has anyone on the group made such devices before we re-invent the
wheel here?</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span style=
=3D'font-size:
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=3Dnavy
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=3Dnavy
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:72.0pt'><b><font size=3D2 color=
=3D"#ff6600"
face=3DArial><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:#FF660=
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it certainly seems the case.</span></font></p>

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Zitat von Victor van Kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>:

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Hi Victor, the pic looks good. but after two hours of transmission the fault
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Last night very good copy of VO1NA
the pictures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

Dated from the winter spent on 137 Khz are always with:
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Hi Joe ,
I will record as long  the storms will not be too violent , he is=20
announced strong storms on the area this night.
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

Joe Craig a =E9crit :
> Thanka to Jean-Pierre, Harmut and John W1TAG, now in Maine, for
> the captures for the last 2 nights.
>
> Will be on again tonight.
>
> 73
> Joe
>
>
> On Sun, 10 Jun 2007, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:
>
>  =20
>> Last night very good copy of VO1NA
>>
>> the files of night are at :
>> http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/
>>
>> 73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
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Thanka to Jean-Pierre, Harmut and John W1TAG, now in Maine, for
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Will be on again tonight.

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Last night very good copy of VO1NA

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Lots of static crashes and bangs here, but I heard G3XIZ yesterday, G3UNP
this afternoon, and G4GDR (RST 449) is valiantly calling CQ as I type this.
I think that ops find that the warm weather and the QRN is a bit of a
turn-off.

No EU activity whatsoever observed on 137 kHz over the week-end, although
the QRN was reasonably low on Sunday morning before the T-storms started
brewing up.

Here's a useful ssource of lightning data for UK and EU:-
http://www.isleofwightweather.co.uk/live_storm_data.htm

Our local Quick-fit use a sort of air-powered clamp to squeeze stubborn
tyres off rims, but if the tail-wheel is still attached to the Spitfire,
this may not be an option!..

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM (5km from RAF Uxbridge an 11 Group HQ)
http://www.subbrit.org.uk/rsg/sites/u/uxbridge/

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of G3vtt@aol.com
  Sent: 11 June 2007 20:01
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: Re: LF: SPITFIRE


  In a message dated 11/06/2007 19:46:59 GMT Standard Time,
g3kev.ham@virgin.net writes:
    Hi All
    LF/MF acty has been poor lately so I have diverted to changing a
spitfire
    tyre.This is the tail wheel, the rim is aluminium but the tyre is tight
and
    does not come off in the normal way. Does anyone know the technique?
    73 de Mal/G3KEV




  All quiet here in 11 Group Mal. I hope to be back on the 502 Kc/s band
shortly. I've been busy with projects and not hearing anybody apart from a
few static crashes.

  Can't help you with the Spitfire tail wheel but I could repair the TR9 and
the 'Pip-squeak' if you need it!

  73

  Colin G3VTT

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D807411820-11062007>No EU activity whatsoever observed =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D807411820-11062007></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807411820-11062007>Here's a useful ssource of =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D807411820-11062007></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D807411820-11062007>Our local Quick-fit use a sort of=20
air-powered clamp to squeeze stubborn tyres off rims, but if the =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D807411820-11062007>73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM (5km from =
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  </B>G3vtt@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> 11 June 2007 20:01<BR><B>To:</B>=20
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solid"><FONT=20
    style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial>Hi All<BR>LF/MF =
acty has=20
    been poor lately so I have diverted to changing a =
spitfire<BR>tyre.This is=20
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  <DIV>All quiet here in 11 Group Mal. I hope to be back on the 502 Kc/s =
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Can't help you with the Spitfire tail wheel but I could repair =
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Hello Peter,
I too heard the signal and gave him a couple of calls.
I thought he was G0NBD or maybe G0NBX and he would have been good copy if not for the static.
I sent him a report of 259 and believe that my callsign was returned.
If he tries again in the morning the reception will be Q5 so I'll take a listen then.
73 Chris G3XIZ

ColePe@aol.com wrote:     From Peter G3JFS in Plymouth, IO70WJ
  
 Hi all,
 I heard someone calling cq on 502.68 about 15 mins ago but the signal was  just too weak to copy through the high static level - possibly G0???  No  other signals heard.  Sri I can't transmit yet.
  
 73 Peter 
   

       
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Hello Peter,<br>I too heard the signal and gave him a couple of calls.<br>I thought he was G0NBD or maybe G0NBX and he would have been good copy if not for the static.<br>I sent him a report of 259 and believe that my callsign was returned.<br>If he tries again in the morning the reception will be Q5 so I'll take a listen then.<br>73 Chris G3XIZ<br><br><b><i>ColePe@aol.com</i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=US-ASCII"> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.6000.16481" name="GENERATOR"><font id="role_document" color="#000000" face="Arial" size="2"> <div>From Peter G3JFS in Plymouth, IO70WJ</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>Hi all,</div> <div>I heard someone calling cq on 502.68 about 15 mins ago but the signal was  just too weak to copy through the high static level - possibly G0???&nbsp; No  other signals heard.&nbsp; Sri I can't transmit
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XES will have a companion tonight:  NA at DFCW120 starting 0000 utc
on 137.777 kHz.

Cheers
Joe VO1NA

On Sat, 16 Jun 2007, J. B. Weazle McCreath wrote:

> Hello John, LFers,
>
> XES was its usual solid copy last evening.  I ran SpecLab rather
> than Argo just for a change of pace and also to look closer at a
> particular slice.  Nothing else was seen, though.
>
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
> Solar and wind powered
> Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
> EN93dr
>
> http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle
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Hello John, LFers,

XES was its usual solid copy last evening.  I ran SpecLab rather
than Argo just for a change of pace and also to look closer at a
particular slice.  Nothing else was seen, though.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle




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Thanks Henny,

A good partial copy of the callsign in your attachment.

73
Joe VO1NA

On Fri, 8 Jun 2007, henny van elst wrote:

> capture of vo1na
> henny pa3cpm
> best 73


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Ok Peter - Thanks for info.  Heard this one at ~ 1mile, at its worst.
Rog.
----- Original Message -----=20
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Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 10:36 AM
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Interesting!
I have been plagued by a similar QRM for over three years, which seems=20
to be centred on the 14MHz band.
It is distributed over an area of a couple of miles mainly by the=20
telephone lines. I have had a description of this QRM on my website for=20
some time now but no one has been able to identify it as yet. It has=20
even been described in the the EMC column in RadCom and has still not=20
been identified.
I would appreciate any help on this matter. All details can be found on=20
my website (including wav files) - click on QRM REPORT on the index page =

to be found at
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/g3ldo

or from Google enter g3ldo,  click G3LDO Index.

In the meantime I will check all wall warts

Regards

Peter G3LDO


Gw3UEP wrote:
> Failed Wart: Post Mortem...
> Its dc-o/p is modulated with 100pps pulses. These contain an RF-burst=20
> envelope, chirping from MF to HF.
> System had been working fine for 3yrs - then owner lost sync & B/B=20
> connection; village became qrm hot-spot via BT-lines.
> The routers appeared to be powered-up as normal - hours had been spent =

> arguing with BT who were oblivious to the problem.
> Confusingly, the routers had been tested elsewhere & were ok.  It=20
> finally emerged that a spare/second wart had been used for these =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Ok Peter - Thanks for info.&nbsp; Heard =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rog.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
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<DIV><BR></DIV>Interesting!<BR>I have been plagued by a similar QRM for =
over=20
three years, which seems <BR>to be centred on the 14MHz band.<BR>It is=20
distributed over an area of a couple of miles mainly by the =
<BR>telephone lines.=20
I have had a description of this QRM on my website for <BR>some time now =
but no=20
one has been able to identify it as yet. It has <BR>even been described =
in the=20
the EMC column in RadCom and has still not <BR>been identified.<BR>I =
would=20
appreciate any help on this matter. All details can be found on <BR>my =
website=20
(including wav files) - click on QRM REPORT on the index page <BR>to be =
found=20
at<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://web.ukonline.co.uk/g3ldo">http://web.ukonline.co.uk/g3ldo<=
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from Google enter g3ldo,&nbsp; click G3LDO Index.<BR><BR>In the meantime =
I will=20
check all wall warts<BR><BR>Regards<BR><BR>Peter G3LDO<BR><BR><BR>Gw3UEP =

wrote:<BR>&gt; Failed Wart: Post Mortem...<BR>&gt; Its dc-o/p is =
modulated with=20
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Interesting!
I have been plagued by a similar QRM for over three years, which seems 
to be centred on the 14MHz band.
It is distributed over an area of a couple of miles mainly by the 
telephone lines. I have had a description of this QRM on my website for 
some time now but no one has been able to identify it as yet. It has 
even been described in the the EMC column in RadCom and has still not 
been identified.
I would appreciate any help on this matter. All details can be found on 
my website (including wav files) - click on QRM REPORT on the index page 
to be found at
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/g3ldo

or from Google enter g3ldo,  click G3LDO Index.

In the meantime I will check all wall warts

Regards

Peter G3LDO


Gw3UEP wrote:
> Failed Wart: Post Mortem...
> Its dc-o/p is modulated with 100pps pulses. These contain an RF-burst 
> envelope, chirping from MF to HF.
> System had been working fine for 3yrs - then owner lost sync & B/B 
> connection; village became qrm hot-spot via BT-lines.
> The routers appeared to be powered-up as normal - hours had been spent 
> arguing with BT who were oblivious to the problem.
> Confusingly, the routers had been tested elsewhere & were ok.  It 
> finally emerged that a spare/second wart had been used for these tests.
> Rog.
>  



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Failed Wart: Post Mortem...
Its dc-o/p is modulated with 100pps pulses. These contain an RF-burst =
envelope, chirping from MF to HF.
System had been working fine for 3yrs - then owner lost sync & B/B =
connection; village became qrm hot-spot via BT-lines.
The routers appeared to be powered-up as normal - hours had been spent =
arguing with BT who were oblivious to the problem.
Confusingly, the routers had been tested elsewhere & were ok.  It =
finally emerged that a spare/second wart had been used for these tests.
Rog.

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Hello Uwe,

i didn't recognize your signal,it is reversed!

73,GL

Victor

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Zitat von Victor van Kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>:

> Just captured
> 16:45 utc
>
> 73
> Victor

Thanks, Victor, you are the first reporting on it. it was the last four
evenings on the air.

Uwe/dj8wx/di2be/jo43sv






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Zitat von Victor van Kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>:

> Just captured
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>
> 73
> Victor

Thanks, Victor, you are the first reporting on it. it was the last four
evenings on the air.

Uwe/dj8wx/di2be/jo43sv



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73
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Because of thunderstorms the beacon is switched off and the antenna =
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I shall be making some test transmissions this evening around 502kHz.  
Estimated 25mW erp with a very inefficient aerial/earth system. If anyone hears  me 
I would appreciate a report.
 
I am not yet in 'qso mode' as I have still to arrange Tx/Rx change  over 
switching.
 
73 Peter G3JFS
 
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Thanks Chris!

73
Tom
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  Many thanks for the report Victor.

  G3OLB is beaconing on about 502.8 kHz.
  He is solid 549 ( 7 db uV) here in IO 92 UB
  A CW QSO is easily possible.

  73 Chris G3XIZ



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Give us a call now and we'll try to hear you.

In message <00a301c7ba78$9e7e07d0$e440383e@Tom>, Tom Boucher 
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>Alan G3XAQ and Jim M0BMU both 559 on 502 KHz in E. Devon at 1805Z.
>
>73
>Tom G3OLB
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Ibbetson" 
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>> The QRN is low here today. I will be calling CQ on 502.0 from 18:00Z 
>>(7pm UK) this evening.
>> --   Cheers,
>>  Alan G3XAQ
>> alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk
>>
>
>

-- 

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Alan G3XAQ and Jim M0BMU both 559 on 502 KHz in E. Devon at 1805Z.

73
Tom G3OLB

----- Original Message ----- 
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> The QRN is low here today. I will be calling CQ on 502.0 from 18:00Z 
> (7pm UK) this evening.
> -- 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Alan G3XAQ
> alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk
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Bearing in mind that Alibris is a US-based listing service, a more convenient source for European customers would be the 
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Go to ukbookworld.com and search for Author Terman, Title Radio Engineering; and you'll find ten or so copies ....


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> To All from PA0SE
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> If you are still looking for that classical 1943 Radio Engineers
> Handbook by Terman: Second hand internet bookshop ALIBRIS has 15
> copies available with prices ranging from $ 21.14 to $ 445.69.
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> Go to http://www.alibris.com/search/search.cfm
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Dear Rob, LF Group,

Some years ago my work involved a project to develop a set of tuned loop
measuring antennas for the 100kHz - 30MHz range. To save time, we hoped, we
used "modamp" ICs similar to yours. Although they eventually gave quite good
gain and SNR at LF, the big problem was that they would oscillate
relentlessly at about 1GHz if connected directly into the loop antenna
circuit. With the use of LF tuning and matching components and a layout
suitable for them, there was obviously plenty of opportunity for instability
when using amplifiers with gain into the microwave range. The difficulty was
not immediately obvious, because the receiver connected to the loop output
could not detect the output at 1GHz, and the amplifiers still gave some gain
at LF while they were oscillating - but the linearity and noise figure was
awful, as you might expect. We solved the problem in the end by adding a
pi-section low-pass filter directly at the amplifier inputs, with a cut-off
frequency of about 100MHz and surface-mount components to get good
attenuation at higher frequencies. This looked a bit incongruous next to all
the big transformers and tuning capacitors.

As a wideband LF/MF preamp, I have made a lot of use of the circuit in the
article on G3YXM's web site

http://www.wireless.org.uk/bploop.pdf

The low-frequency transistors used give good performance in the LF/MF range,
are less likely to be unstable at UHF, and are easy to get.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Thanks Rob,
I'll see if I can lay my hands on one and give it a try!
73's

Nic McLean

VK2KXN ? VK5ZAT

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I'm not much of a designer so basically MAR-6 with 100R  from 5v supply=20
and 47nf caps for i/o coupling, the parallel tuned input just a  ferrite

wound inductor (from a old TV board)  and some caps to bring into=20
resonance on 136, it's not very high Q but it works to keep the=20
broadcast breakthrough out!

Nothing that complicated ... i like it to be simple!




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On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 18:57:45 +0100 "Rob, M0DTS" <rob@m0dts.co.uk> writes:
> 
> I'm not much of a designer so basically MAR-6 with 100R  from 5v 
> supply 
> and 47nf caps for i/o coupling, the parallel tuned input just a  
> ferrite 
> wound inductor (from a old TV board)  and some caps to bring into 
> resonance on 136, it's not very high Q but it works to keep the 
> broadcast breakthrough out!
> 
> Nothing that complicated ... i like it to be simple!
>

Mar 6 looks like a good choice,, you made me break out my MiniCkt manual
I dont know how well it handles an input mismatch . The input circuit may
be a bit critical
but should only affect gain ,, if the NF is out of wack does it matter 
HAR


you could see if a 50 ohm term ,, double term it ,, would change anything
but  on the other hand if it works who cares

FYI several years ago MiniCircuits would supply their handbook Free and
it was worth every cent
shilling,,, All I did was to ask for one

Bob K3DJC


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I'm not much of a designer so basically MAR-6 with 100R  from 5v supply 
and 47nf caps for i/o coupling, the parallel tuned input just a  ferrite 
wound inductor (from a old TV board)  and some caps to bring into 
resonance on 136, it's not very high Q but it works to keep the 
broadcast breakthrough out!

Nothing that complicated ... i like it to be simple!


I have replaced the wire on my Loop (now much lower resistance copper 
wire, 2.5mm stranded) since last attempt and now is much sharper 
response around 137 and much stronger signals than before too. The first 
loop was about 20Ohms acros with the unknown 1mm wire i used ( shame 
because i have miles of the stuff! ) now with the new wire is about 1Ohm.

Thanks to Alan about the tip on not connecting the sig gen directly to 
the loop, it was quite a way out of tune!  the simple coupling loop 
worked much better..

Ready for some signals now....

Rob


Nick Mclean (SYD) wrote:
> Hi Rob,
> Do you intend to let others on the list have enough of a circuit
> diagragm that they could replicate what you are building? I for one
> would like to build a front end to "hot up: one of my rigs here.
> 73's
>
> Nic McLean
>
> VK2KXN / VK5ZAT
>
> Tel:  02 99410619
>
> Fax: 02 98139009 
>
> Mobile:  0417 822 728
>
>   



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Hi Rob,
Do you intend to let others on the list have enough of a circuit
diagragm that they could replicate what you are building? I for one
would like to build a front end to "hot up: one of my rigs here.
73's

Nic McLean

VK2KXN / VK5ZAT

Tel:  02 99410619

Fax: 02 98139009=20

Mobile:  0417 822 728


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>
> which MIMIC did you use ? Been wondering when they would get put to
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> on LF
> good simple amp with 50 ohms in/out and a simple bias solution
> filters needed fer sure though
>
> Bob K3DJC
> =20
>  =20
Hi Bob..

I used a MAR6 as i have a few left from some microwave projects.
I've not checked gain at this freq but supposed to be around 20dB, i=20
guess the intermod results are not good for this particular one but it=20
wakes the radio up!

I'l put a simple tuned circuit on the input later and see what
happens...

Rob


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riese-k3djc@juno.com wrote:
> Hi Rob
>
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> on LF
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>
> Bob K3DJC
>  
>   
Hi Bob..

I used a MAR6 as i have a few left from some microwave projects.
I've not checked gain at this freq but supposed to be around 20dB, i 
guess the intermod results are not good for this particular one but it 
wakes the radio up!

I'l put a simple tuned circuit on the input later and see what happens...

Rob


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Hi Rob

which MIMIC did you use ? Been wondering when they would get put to use
on LF
good simple amp with 50 ohms in/out and a simple bias solution
filters needed fer sure though

Bob K3DJC
 
> I'm seeing 138.83 about 35dB above noise in SpectrumLab and have put 
> a 
> wide band mmic amp in front of my IC-706 and it now has come to 
> life!  
> 138.83 is about S8 with lots of breakthrough etc...need to make a 
> simple 
> filter.
> 
> I think i will hang around for a few active stations sometime to 
> check 
> things out, a signal would be nice but no need to go out of your way 
> for 
> it!  i'l try optimise with 138.8 signal then listen a bit more.
> 
> well i'l do a bit more work then come back...
> 
> 
> 
> Rob
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
 


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In message <46633111.7040207@m0dts.co.uk>, "Rob, M0DTS" 
<rob@m0dts.co.uk> writes
> i tuned to 502.5? earlier with long wire and saw a cw signal but it 
>stopped before i had time to id so maybe someone was active and i just 
>missed them... maybe around 19:20 today.

Rob,

That might have been me and Colin/G3VTT rag chewing at 25-30 wpm. We are 
both in east Kent. If you would like a test then just drop me an email 
off-list.
-- 

Cheers,

Alan G3XAQ
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Dave Pick wrote:
> Rob
>
> A good check for any receiver is to listen for the German utility 
> transmission on 138.83 which is a plain carrier with a burst of data 
> every few seconds. If your setup is any good it should be about 
> S9+10dB during the day.
> Unfortunately there isn't much straight CW activity on the band at 
> present, due to Loran QRM (which is due to go off in July and return 
> from Cumbria in the autumn) and the distraction of 500kHz.
> General activity is low at present because it's almost mid-summer, the 
> static is high and the dark hours are short.
> It's a good time to get your system sorted out for the autumn though! 
> If you need a test transmission next week one evening e-mail me and 
> I'll fire up the TX.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Dave G3YXM.
>
Thanks for the Info Dave, at least i know what i'm looking for now..  so 
much stuff on LF u dont know if it's data signals or qrm...hi

ok on the activity, as i noticed there was mostly posts for 500KHz... i 
tuned to 502.5? earlier with long wire and saw a cw signal but it 
stopped before i had time to id so maybe someone was active and i just 
missed them... maybe around 19:20 today.

I'm seeing 138.83 about 35dB above noise in SpectrumLab and have put a 
wide band mmic amp in front of my IC-706 and it now has come to life!  
138.83 is about S8 with lots of breakthrough etc...need to make a simple 
filter.

I think i will hang around for a few active stations sometime to check 
things out, a signal would be nice but no need to go out of your way for 
it!  i'l try optimise with 138.8 signal then listen a bit more.

well i'l do a bit more work then come back...



Rob






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Hi All..

Just found this list and seems like the only sort of forum on the net to 
do with LF!

I'm just looking into 136kHz and looking for a few pointers..

I've temporarily built a loop similar to G3LDO's super loop (but not in 
the pvc tube) and got it resonant but cannot tell how high Q it is..
Only equipment i have that will check the loop out is a DDS wobbler unit 
that i can connect up across teh pick up loop and see it is resonant 
around 136-138kHz...
I'm feeding the loop into a simple sa612 mixer and 100kHz LO and sending 
the IF into the sound card at 36-38kHz.
I've only got basic knowledge of home brew stuff so looking for a simple 
setup to get me receiveing to see if it will be worthwhile making a 
transceiver for the band...

So far I've not seen anything on the band apart from qrm...hi  
especially on 137.4  +/-100Hz a noise band that is always there.
Are there any beacons active all the time or is there anything just 
outside the band i can look for to check the system is working?
When are the best times to find stations active?

Any comments welcome!

Thanks

Rob

M0DTS - IO94IL


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Hi all,

I believe Mal is talking about the Supermarine variety.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp


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> Mal,
>
>    Is your Spitfire equipped with wire wheels? If so, see:
> http://www.triumphspitfire.com/wirewheel.html
>
> 73 & GL Warren
>
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "hamilton mal" <g3kev.ham@virgin.net>
>> Hi All
>> LF/MF acty has been poor lately so I have diverted to changing a spitfire
>> tyre.This is the tail wheel, the rim is aluminium but the tyre is tight 
>> and
>> does not come off in the normal way. Does anyone know the technique?
>> 73 de Mal/G3KEV
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> 



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Mal,

    Is your Spitfire equipped with wire wheels? If so, see:
http://www.triumphspitfire.com/wirewheel.html

73 & GL Warren


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From: "hamilton mal" <g3kev.ham@virgin.net>
> Hi All
> LF/MF acty has been poor lately so I have diverted to changing a spitfire
> tyre.This is the tail wheel, the rim is aluminium but the tyre is tight and
> does not come off in the normal way. Does anyone know the technique?
> 73 de Mal/G3KEV
> 
> 
> 



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In a message dated 11/06/2007 19:46:59 GMT Standard Time,  
g3kev.ham@virgin.net writes:

Hi  All
LF/MF acty has been poor lately so I have diverted to changing a  spitfire
tyre.This is the tail wheel, the rim is aluminium but the tyre is  tight and
does not come off in the normal way. Does anyone know the  technique?
73 de Mal/G3KEV






All quiet here in 11 Group Mal. I hope to be back on the 502 Kc/s band  
shortly. I've been busy with projects and not hearing anybody apart from a few  
static crashes.
 
Can't help you with the Spitfire tail wheel but I could repair the TR9 and  
the 'Pip-squeak' if you need it!
 
73
 
Colin G3VTT



   

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Hi All
LF/MF acty has been poor lately so I have diverted to changing a spitfire
tyre.This is the tail wheel, the rim is aluminium but the tyre is tight and
does not come off in the normal way. Does anyone know the technique?
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=20
In a message dated 16/06/2007 11:20:02 Greenwich Standard Time, =20
mjprobert@ynysdawelcottages.com writes:

=20
Hello  All=20
Grateful thanks to all who have  posted reports on my 501.3 khz beacon.=20
The problem at this location on  the South West coastal tip of Wales is=20
massive noise pollution  from the adsl broadband connection.=20
This takes the form similar to the  =E2=80=9Cgalloping horses=E2=80=9D effec=
t that were=20
previously experienced from Loran  sidebands on 136. Receiving on the Tx ant=
enna=20
is  impossible.=20
Having constructed a shielded loop  to a design developed by Finbar GI4DPE,=20=
I=20
find that although I can null out a  certain degree the qrn it  makes weak=20
signal reception still virtually  impossible.=20
I have on a temporary basis,  access to a noise free area about 80m from the=
=20
house.  To date, I have  only heard and worked the 2 GI=E2=80=99s and my nea=
r=20
neighbour GW3UEP who is about  50km NW of me. We exchange 599 signals. I hav=
e yet to=20
hear any signals across  =E2=80=9Cthe border=E2=80=9D=20
Hope to locate the loop in the  quiet zone at times indeterminate over this=20
weekend, chores etc permitting.  The obvious problem with the loop is that i=
f=20
called by someone on whom I  am not =E2=80=9Cbeaming=E2=80=9D I don=E2=80=
=99t hear them!=20
Trust this explains my lack of  response in the past.=20
Final comment=E2=80=94136khz was much  easier!=20
73=20
Mike   GW4HXO.



Hello Mike,
=20
at 12.00 GMT your signal is still good  copy in Plymouth and has been very=20
consistent since I started monitoring  early this morning.  I have not notic=
ed=20
any significant fading during my  visits to the shack throughout the morning=
.
=20
You are the first station that I have heard in daytime and the  loudest apar=
t=20
from GI4DPE heard some weeks ago (after dark).  I wouldn't  put too much=20
faith in my S meter but estimate that you are at least an S point  above my=20=
local=20
noise - what really matters is that you would be comfortable copy  for a cw=20
qso.
=20
Look forward to working you soon.
=20
73
=20
Peter, G3JFS



  =20

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<DIV>In a message dated 16/06/2007 11:20:02 Greenwich Standard Time,=20
mjprobert@ynysdawelcottages.com writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN=20
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  All<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FO=
NT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Grateful thanks to all who h=
ave=20
  posted reports on my 501.3 khz beacon.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">The problem at this location=
 on=20
  the South West coastal tip of <st1:country-region w:st=3D"on"><st1:place=20
  w:st=3D"on">Wales</st1:place></st1:country-region> is massive noise pollut=
ion=20
  from the adsl broadband connection.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">This takes the form similar=20=
to the=20
  =E2=80=9Cgalloping horses=E2=80=9D effect that were previously experienced=
 from Loran=20
  sidebands on 136. Receiving on the Tx antenna is=20
  impossible.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Having constructed a shielde=
d loop=20
  to a design developed by Finbar GI4DPE, I find that although I can null ou=
t a=20
  certain degree the qrn it &nbsp;makes weak signal reception still virtuall=
y=20
  impossible.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have on a temporary basis,=
=20
  access to a noise free area about 80m from the house.&nbsp; To date, I hav=
e=20
  only heard and worked the 2 GI=E2=80=99s and my near neighbour GW3UEP who=20=
is about=20
  50km NW of me. We exchange 599 signals. I have yet to hear any signals acr=
oss=20
  =E2=80=9Cthe border=E2=80=9D<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FO=
NT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Hope to locate the loop in t=
he=20
  quiet zone at times indeterminate over this weekend, chores etc permitting=
.=20
  &nbsp;The obvious problem with the loop is that if called by someone on wh=
om I=20
  am not =E2=80=9Cbeaming=E2=80=9D I don=E2=80=99t hear them!<o:p></o:p></SP=
AN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Trust this explains my lack=20=
of=20
  response in the past.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Final comment=E2=80=94136khz=
 was much=20
  easier!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FO=
NT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">73<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT><=
/P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FO=
NT></P>
  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D3><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Mike&nbsp;=20
  GW4HXO.</SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>Hello Mike,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>at 12.00 GMT your signal is</FONT> <FONT size=3D3>still=20=
good=20
copy in Plymouth and has been&nbsp;very consistent since I started monitorin=
g=20
early this morning.&nbsp; I have not noticed any significant fading during m=
y=20
visits to the shack throughout the morning.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>You are the first station that I have heard in daytime a=
nd the=20
loudest apart from GI4DPE heard some weeks ago (after dark).&nbsp; I wouldn'=
t=20
put too much faith in my S meter but estimate that you are at least an S poi=
nt=20
above my local noise - what really matters is that you would be comfortable=20=
copy=20
for a cw qso.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>Look forward to working you soon.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>73</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D3>Peter, G3JFS</FONT></DIV></FONT>   </BODY></HTML>

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On 16 Jun 2007 at 12:18, Michael Probert wrote:

> The problem at this location on the South West coastal tip of Wales is
> massive noise pollution from the adsl broadband connection.
> 
> This takes the form similar to the "galloping horses" effect that were
> previously experienced from Loran sidebands on 136. Receiving on the
> Tx antenna is impossible.

I am puzzled by that. I certainly don't get any interference from my 
own ADSL - 2Mb fixed rate with the router and telephone lines right 
in the upstairs shack. Neither my 500kHz vertical in the garden or my 
(untuned) longwire which runs right into the shack pick up anything. 
But there are no overhead lines here, it is all underground. When I 
first went to broadband I specifically listened on 136kHz, 73kHz and 
all the HF bands and I have yet to find anything which I can 
attribute to the ADSL. It is OK the other way as well, it works 
solidly when I transmit on 500kHz, HF or whereever.

I rather suspect your noise is not ADSL, more likely switch mode psu 
QRM.

73 Dave G3YMC

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Hello All

 

Grateful thanks to all who have posted reports on my 501.3 khz beacon.

The problem at this location on the South West coastal tip of Wales is
massive noise pollution from the adsl broadband connection.

This takes the form similar to the "galloping horses" effect that were
previously experienced from Loran sidebands on 136. Receiving on the Tx
antenna is impossible.

Having constructed a shielded loop to a design developed by Finbar GI4DPE, I
find that although I can null out a certain degree the qrn it  makes weak
signal reception still virtually impossible.

I have on a temporary basis, access to a noise free area about 80m from the
house.  To date, I have only heard and worked the 2 GI's and my near
neighbour GW3UEP who is about 50km NW of me. We exchange 599 signals. I have
yet to hear any signals across "the border"

 

Hope to locate the loop in the quiet zone at times indeterminate over this
weekend, chores etc permitting.  The obvious problem with the loop is that
if called by someone on whom I am not "beaming" I don't hear them!

Trust this explains my lack of response in the past.

Final comment-136khz was much easier!

 

73

 

Mike  GW4HXO.


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obvious
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I don&#8217;t hear them!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Dave Sergeant wrote:
> 
> I am puzzled by that. I certainly don't get any interference from my 
> own ADSL - 2Mb fixed rate with the router and telephone lines right 
> in the upstairs shack. Neither my 500kHz vertical in the garden or my 
> (untuned) longwire which runs right into the shack pick up anything. 
> But there are no overhead lines here, it is all underground.

Same here. I have a 4Mb downstream (256kb upstream) ADSL connection, which is switched on in the morning and switched 
off (not always) when I go to bed. Never noticed any disturbance on any band, from 30 kHz to 1296 MHz.
The modem/router/access-point is a couple of meters from the radios.
Here too the phone line is underground.

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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Dear Laurence, LF Group,

Well, the thunderstorms seem to have held off, so I have now (2340 utc)
switched over to DFCW30 with about 0.3Hz shift, still centered on 136.320.
Any reports welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----
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> Are going  to leave it on all night Jim?
>
> Laurence
> XE/ KL1X - quietest its been all week here...
>
>
>
>
> >From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
> >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> >To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> >Subject: LF: 136kHz tests
> >Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 21:27:03 +0100
> >
> >Dear LF Group,
> >
> >I am currently  (2026 utc) running a test beacon on 136.320kHz (CW
> >identifier, followed by DFCW identifier, repeating every few minutes) -
> >probably for the next few hours, if the thunderstorms hold off. It's
> >primarily for my own tests, but any other reports would be welcome.
> >
> >Cheers, Jim Moritz
> >73 de M0BMU
> >
> >
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Are going  to leave it on all night Jim?

Laurence
XE/ KL1X - quietest its been all week here...




>From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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>Dear LF Group,
>
>I am currently  (2026 utc) running a test beacon on 136.320kHz (CW
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>probably for the next few hours, if the thunderstorms hold off. It's
>primarily for my own tests, but any other reports would be welcome.
>
>Cheers, Jim Moritz
>73 de M0BMU
>
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Jim , another control :   http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/shot1.jpg

Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 a =E9crit :
> Hi Jim ,
> Good copy at the moment , many QRN ! look at :=20
> http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/Capt_70.jpg
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
> James Moritz a =E9crit :
>> Dear LF Group,
>>
>> I am currently  (2026 utc) running a test beacon on 136.320kHz (CW
>> identifier, followed by DFCW identifier, repeating every few minutes) =
-
>> probably for the next few hours, if the thunderstorms hold off. It's
>> primarily for my own tests, but any other reports would be welcome.
>>
>> Cheers, Jim Moritz
>> 73 de M0BMU
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  =20
>

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Hi Jim ,
Good copy at the moment , many QRN ! look at :=20
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/Capt_70.jpg
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

James Moritz a =E9crit :
> Dear LF Group,
>
> I am currently  (2026 utc) running a test beacon on 136.320kHz (CW
> identifier, followed by DFCW identifier, repeating every few minutes) -
> probably for the next few hours, if the thunderstorms hold off. It's
> primarily for my own tests, but any other reports would be welcome.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
>
>  =20

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Dear LF Group,

I am currently  (2026 utc) running a test beacon on 136.320kHz (CW
identifier, followed by DFCW identifier, repeating every few minutes) -
probably for the next few hours, if the thunderstorms hold off. It's
primarily for my own tests, but any other reports would be welcome.

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Zitat von Willem de Roode <wdr@casema.nl>:

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Hi Wim, thanks for the report. but I guess it was not on 137kHz?

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'evening all,
 
I'm about to put a few calls out on 500 in case anybody is still around.  
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Zitat von Peter Wilhelm Schnoor <pws@rechtsmedizin.uni-kiel.de>:

> Hi,
>
> Just soldered a line between my old receiver (tuned to ~505KHz) and 
> the soundcard I'm surprised to observe a *very* strong signal from 
> DI2BE at ~20:15 utc. Who's that guy?
>
> Screenshot there:
> http://home.arcor.de/df3lp/lf/di2be_2007-06-28.gif
>
> 73 from Kiel, North Germany,
> Peter, df3lp
>
>

Hi Peter, young chap,
its me
best 73
Uwe/dj8wx/di2be/jo43sv



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Hi,

Just soldered a line between my old receiver (tuned to ~505KHz) 
and the soundcard I'm surprised to observe a *very* strong 
signal from DI2BE at ~20:15 utc. Who's that guy?

Screenshot there:
http://home.arcor.de/df3lp/lf/di2be_2007-06-28.gif

73 from Kiel, North Germany,
Peter, df3lp


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XES good ,a trace of NA tonite
de Lloyd W3NF
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> Joe Craig wrote:
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Jean-Pierre,

Thanks for the captures. Joe's signal also did well on the W3EEE 
grabber. It was probably quieter here last night than in EU.

Joe,

It's too bad that the authorizations are ending this month. I wish that 
the U.S. was in agreement with the Canadian proposal for the radio 
conference, but hope that the measure passes.

XES will be off for the next few nights, though I may be able to have 
the "weekly" QSO with Jay on Sunday.

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Hi Jean Pierre, J.B.

Thanks for monitoring the signals and your efforts despite
the QRN from the storms.  The warmer temperature in the
shed played a role with the very hot rectifier,  warm
Decca amp, matching torroid and variometer.  The Litz
tuning coil (after the variometer) was just slightly warm.

Interestingly the aerial current was 4.9 amps -- a record
high, but it took a while to get it above 2.5 amps with
the Decca amp hissing madly.

Will try again tonight.

73
Joe

On Fri, 8 Jun 2007, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:

> Hello J. B. , Joe and John,
>
> Last night was very disturbed by the storms! 20 dB average noise moreover=
,
> I copied trace of XES, a good signal of NA.
> The captures are with:     http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/
>
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
> J. B. Weazle McCreath a =E9crit :
> > Hi Joe, John, LFers,
> >
> > Nothing showing of NA so far this evening (01:30 UTC) but
> > XES's DFCW is coming thru pretty well, as are the Loran
> > lines a bit further down.  I haven't seen them of late, likely
> > due to the higher noise levels with the T-storm season.
> >
> > 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
> > Solar and wind powered
> > Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
> > EN93dr
> >
> > http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Visitez mon site radioamateur =E0 : http://jpmere.online.fr/
> Analys=E9 avec AVAST Home =E9dition , garanti sans virus connu
>
>
>


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Hi John.

Thanks for the company!  I hope to be on a few more times
before 30 June aftre which we will no longer be able to join you.

73
Joe

On Thu, 7 Jun 2007, John Andrews wrote:

> Joe Craig wrote:
> > 137.7770 kHz DFCW 120 starting 0001 UTC 8 June.
>
> ...and XES 137.779 kHz DFCW90 at 0030.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
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Hello J. B. , Joe and John,

Last night was very disturbed by the storms! 20 dB average noise moreover=
,
I copied trace of XES, a good signal of NA.
The captures are with:     http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

J. B. Weazle McCreath a =E9crit :
> Hi Joe, John, LFers,
>
> Nothing showing of NA so far this evening (01:30 UTC) but
> XES's DFCW is coming thru pretty well, as are the Loran
> lines a bit further down.  I haven't seen them of late, likely
> due to the higher noise levels with the T-storm season.
>
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
> Solar and wind powered
> Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
> EN93dr
>
> http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle
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Hi Joe, John, LFers,

Nothing showing of NA so far this evening (01:30 UTC) but
XES's DFCW is coming thru pretty well, as are the Loran
lines a bit further down.  I haven't seen them of late, likely
due to the higher noise levels with the T-storm season.

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Joe and John ,

I will record your signals this night, if the storms are calmed, it are=20
very strong in this moment!

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj


John Andrews a =E9crit :
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> ...and XES 137.779 kHz DFCW90 at 0030.
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> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
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Joe Craig wrote:
> 137.7770 kHz DFCW 120 starting 0001 UTC 8 June.

...and XES 137.779 kHz DFCW90 at 0030.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES



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137.7770 kHz DFCW 120 starting 0001 UTC 8 June.

73
Joe VO1NA



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Tom G3OLB, now good 559 here on 502.85kHz
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Tom G3OLB, now good 559 here on 502.85kHz<br>Good to hear you on 500.<br>73 Laurie<br>

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Last night nothing here !

The station will be closed a few days

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

































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Moinmoin lieber Walter,

I had a phone call with the authorities since the LORAN-C 
sidebands disappeared last Monday.
See: http://home.arcor.de/df3lp/spec/
      ==> file: spec_2007-06-25.png

You wrote:
> Guten Morgen, lieber Peter.
>        How about activating this tower meanwhile? ;-)

Sorry! There is a tablet showing the inscription:
"ATTENTION! WET PAINT!"

Bye bye and gl 2 all,
Peter, df3lp


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Guten Morgen, lieber Peter.
       How about activating this tower meanwhile? ;-)

73    Walter   DJ2LF DI2AG

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Peter Wilhelm Schnoor <pws@rechtsmedizin.uni-kiel.de>
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>Hi Guys,
>
>According to an information from the appropriate authority
>LORAN-C at the island of Sylt at North Germany will be off for
>at least 3-4 weeks for maintenance.
>
>73 from 54=B016'N/10=B010'E,
>Peter, df3lp
>



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I'm forwarding the message below since Steve is not a member of the RSGB LF reflector and can't post.

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

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From: "Floyd, Steve (US SSA)" <steve.floyd@baesystems.com>
To: "Floyd, Steve (US SSA)" <steve.floyed@baesystems.com>, <k2ors@comcast.net>, <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>, <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Cc: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>, "Linda Holtby" <linda.holtby@googlemail.com>
Subject: RE: LF: MF Still on shifp?
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 21:07:54 +0000
> 
> Hi Warren,
> 
> When I was on a cruise ship recently I did notice several HF whip
> antennas with antenna tuners right below the whip antennas, and some 500
> kHz antennas.  On several recent cruises I found the radio room, (no
> Hams unfortunately) and they were still monitoring 500 kHz as a matter
> of habit.  Old habits die hard I guess.  The HF SSB radios were still
> installed and working, however rarely turned on they said.  Most cruise
> ships have full time data links to shore via satellite to provide 24 hr.
> phone and internet access for the guests, at a high price I am sure!
> This is the primary communications means now.  In fact, on our most
> recent Holland America cruise out of Florida they had cell phone sites
> on the ship for full time cell phone access!  I never actually made a
> call however I had full "bars" service on my Verizon CDMA phone when out
> at sea for many days.  Many folks on the ship were using their cell
> phones around the ship so I assume that the most popular cell phone
> standards are supported when at sea, CDMA and GSM.  These ship cell
> sites appeared to turned OFF when in port, I would guess to prevent
> interference to shore cell operations.  The roaming charges must be very
> high for this cell service at sea.  Interesting.
> 
> 73'
> Steve
> W4YHD
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: k2ors@comcast.net [mailto:k2ors@comcast.net] 
> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 2:47 PM
> To: Steve Floyd; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org;
> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Cc: Andy Talbot; Linda Holtby
> Subject: Re: LF: MF Still on shifp?
> 
> Hi Andy,
> 
>       I think that is very possibly a 500kHz antenna. Steve Floyd W4YHD
> was on a cruise ship recently and they still had 500kHz equipment and
> were still monitoring! I have cc'd Steve  on this e-mail in case he has
> some more information to add.
> 
> BTW - Are the big wire cage antennas still atop the Ministry of Defence
> on Whitehall Street - last time I was in London (2003) they were still
> there.
> 
> 
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
> 
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
> > Yesterday I was watching two large cruise ships sail down Southampton
> water
> > (P&O ships,  'Artemis' and 'Aurora').   Both had a large wire antennas
> > strung between the masts, and in the case of  Artemis this extended
> down at
> > each end close to bow and stern; and there may even have been two wire
> > side-by-side on this ship.  A really long antenna.   I'm not sure of
> the
> > length of these ships, but they could  be 200 metres (ish), so even at
> the
> > bottom end of HF these are electrically long-wires.
> > Of course, the pair on Artemis, if I saw them correctly, could even be
> > phased for really high gain at HF - a Rhombic perhaps?
> > 
> > Does anyone know if large modern ships still have MF, or a serious HF
> > presence?  Or are the wire antenna(s ?) just there to hang flags from?
> Or
> > are they not even antennas, but just used for supporting decorations.
> > 
> > Artemis also had a mass of big whips on the bow, which I assume were
> base
> > tuned HF - the normal VHF whips were practically invisible beside
> them.
> > Aurora presumably had something similar, but they weren't obvious.
> > 
> > Needless to say, each ship had two large VSAT radomes, and three or
> four
> > smaller Inmarsat (and other satcom?) antennas.
> > 
> > Andy  G4JNT
> 
> 
> 



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Well as far as the Chinese and Korean ship builders they (as far as Ive seen 
over the past couple of years ) are not putting in any MF (500KHz)  
equipment - GMDSS area dependant whether VHF or HF is installed but nothing 
on 500Khz et al. What we put in ships/tankers/platforms has been or more 
than a passing interest.

Bcasts on 500Khz area continue in china from xsg on 522.5KHz..

Changing back to LF - Ill be in San Antonio Texas for the next 2 days and 
may have the Singapore (sic) grabber running. Any USA or Eu signals 
welcomed.

Laurence
KL1X/5 Marriot NW 10th Floor
San Antonio




>From: "Andy Talbot" <andy.g4jnt@googlemail.com>
>Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>CC: "Linda Holtby" <linda.holtby@googlemail.com>
>Subject: LF: MF Still on shifp?
>Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 18:32:41 +0100
>
>Yesterday I was watching two large cruise ships sail down Southampton water
>(P&O ships,  'Artemis' and 'Aurora').   Both had a large wire antennas
>strung between the masts, and in the case of  Artemis this extended down at
>each end close to bow and stern; and there may even have been two wire
>side-by-side on this ship.  A really long antenna.   I'm not sure of the
>length of these ships, but they could  be 200 metres (ish), so even at the
>bottom end of HF these are electrically long-wires.
>Of course, the pair on Artemis, if I saw them correctly, could even be
>phased for really high gain at HF - a Rhombic perhaps?
>
>Does anyone know if large modern ships still have MF, or a serious HF
>presence?  Or are the wire antenna(s ?) just there to hang flags from?  Or
>are they not even antennas, but just used for supporting decorations.
>
>Artemis also had a mass of big whips on the bow, which I assume were base
>tuned HF - the normal VHF whips were practically invisible beside them.
>Aurora presumably had something similar, but they weren't obvious.
>
>Needless to say, each ship had two large VSAT radomes, and three or four
>smaller Inmarsat (and other satcom?) antennas.
>
>Andy  G4JNT

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Alan,

    I think you have hit on something there. I believe that my friend was on a Caribbean cruise when he saw the 500kHz equipment in the radio room.


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FN42hi
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 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
> I guess it might depend where they are going, I believe that 500k is still
> used in some S.American countries and also in some far eastern areas I was
> told this was why none of the ship-board kit became available in the UK when
> 500k closed....it was all shipped abroad (I live close to a big container
> port). I am told some fishing vessels in Europe still use MF ....I will ping
> Finbar at Malin Head CG station. Often the Spanish trawlers calling him are
> way beyond VHF range.  There is of course Navtex around 518 still usually
> using "loaded" whips, more probably e-probes.  It would also seem that
> Loran-C is still live and well and here again I believe the prefered antenna
> is an "e-probe"
> 
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <k2ors@comcast.net>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Cc: Steve McDonald <jsm@gulfislands.com>
> Sent: 09 June 2007 20:15
> Subject: Re: LF: MF Still on shifp?
> 
> 
> > Steve,
> >
> >    Don't know, probably static or hams these days!
> > I wonder if some reason cruise ships have retained the capability while
> tankers and freighters have phased out  500kHz.
> >
> >
> > --
> > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
> > FN42hi
> > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
> >
> >  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "Steve McDonald" <jsm@gulfislands.com>
> > >
> > > >they still had 500kHz equipment and were still monitoring!
> > >
> > > Which begs a further question...listening to what? (!)
> > >
> > > Steve
> > >
> >
> >
> 
> 



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I guess it might depend where they are going, I believe that 500k is still
used in some S.American countries and also in some far eastern areas I was
told this was why none of the ship-board kit became available in the UK when
500k closed....it was all shipped abroad (I live close to a big container
port). I am told some fishing vessels in Europe still use MF ....I will ping
Finbar at Malin Head CG station. Often the Spanish trawlers calling him are
way beyond VHF range.  There is of course Navtex around 518 still usually
using "loaded" whips, more probably e-probes.  It would also seem that
Loran-C is still live and well and here again I believe the prefered antenna
is an "e-probe"

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: LF: MF Still on shifp?


> Steve,
>
>    Don't know, probably static or hams these days!
> I wonder if some reason cruise ships have retained the capability while
tankers and freighters have phased out  500kHz.
>
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
>
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Steve McDonald" <jsm@gulfislands.com>
> >
> > >they still had 500kHz equipment and were still monitoring!
> >
> > Which begs a further question...listening to what? (!)
> >
> > Steve
> >
>
>



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Steve,

   Don't know, probably static or hams these days! 
I wonder if some reason cruise ships have retained the capability while tankers and freighters have phased out  500kHz.


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> 
> >they still had 500kHz equipment and were still monitoring!
> 
> Which begs a further question...listening to what? (!)
> 
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> 



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>they still had 500kHz equipment and were still monitoring!

Which begs a further question...listening to what? (!)

Steve


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Hi Andy,

      I think that is very possibly a 500kHz antenna. Steve Floyd W4YHD was on a cruise ship recently and they still had 500kHz equipment and were still monitoring! I have cc'd Steve  on this e-mail in case he has some more information to add.

BTW - Are the big wire cage antennas still atop the Ministry of Defence on Whitehall Street - last time I was in London (2003) they were still there.


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> Yesterday I was watching two large cruise ships sail down Southampton water
> (P&O ships,  'Artemis' and 'Aurora').   Both had a large wire antennas
> strung between the masts, and in the case of  Artemis this extended down at
> each end close to bow and stern; and there may even have been two wire
> side-by-side on this ship.  A really long antenna.   I'm not sure of the
> length of these ships, but they could  be 200 metres (ish), so even at the
> bottom end of HF these are electrically long-wires.
> Of course, the pair on Artemis, if I saw them correctly, could even be
> phased for really high gain at HF - a Rhombic perhaps?
> 
> Does anyone know if large modern ships still have MF, or a serious HF
> presence?  Or are the wire antenna(s ?) just there to hang flags from?  Or
> are they not even antennas, but just used for supporting decorations.
> 
> Artemis also had a mass of big whips on the bow, which I assume were base
> tuned HF - the normal VHF whips were practically invisible beside them.
> Aurora presumably had something similar, but they weren't obvious.
> 
> Needless to say, each ship had two large VSAT radomes, and three or four
> smaller Inmarsat (and other satcom?) antennas.
> 
> Andy  G4JNT



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<div>Yesterday I&nbsp;was watching&nbsp;two large cruise ships sail down Southampton water (P&amp;O ships,&nbsp; &#39;Artemis&#39; and &#39;Aurora&#39;).&nbsp;&nbsp; Both had a&nbsp;large&nbsp;wire antennas strung between the masts,&nbsp;and in the case of&nbsp; Artemis this extended down at each end close to bow and stern; and there&nbsp;may even have been two wire side-by-side on this ship.&nbsp;&nbsp;A really long antenna.&nbsp;&nbsp; I&#39;m not sure of the length of these ships, but they&nbsp;could &nbsp;be 200 metres (ish),&nbsp;so even at&nbsp;the bottom end of HF these are electrically&nbsp;long-wires.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
</div>
<div>Of course, the pair on Artemis, if I saw them correctly, could even be phased for really high gain at HF - a Rhombic perhaps?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Does&nbsp;anyone know if&nbsp;large modern ships still have MF, or a serious HF presence?&nbsp;&nbsp;Or are the wire antenna(s ?) just there to hang flags from?&nbsp; Or are they not even antennas, but just used for supporting decorations.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Artemis also had a mass of big whips on the bow, which I assume were base tuned HF - the normal VHF&nbsp;whips were practically invisible beside them.&nbsp;&nbsp; Aurora presumably had something similar, but they weren&#39;t obvious.
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Needless to say, each ship had two large VSAT radomes, and three or four smaller Inmarsat (and other satcom?) antennas.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Andy&nbsp; G4JNT</div>

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Yesterday I was watching two large cruise ships sail down Southampton water
(P&O ships,  'Artemis' and 'Aurora').   Both had a large wire antennas
strung between the masts, and in the case of  Artemis this extended down at
each end close to bow and stern; and there may even have been two wire
side-by-side on this ship.  A really long antenna.   I'm not sure of the
length of these ships, but they could  be 200 metres (ish), so even at the
bottom end of HF these are electrically long-wires.
Of course, the pair on Artemis, if I saw them correctly, could even be
phased for really high gain at HF - a Rhombic perhaps?

Does anyone know if large modern ships still have MF, or a serious HF
presence?  Or are the wire antenna(s ?) just there to hang flags from?  Or
are they not even antennas, but just used for supporting decorations.

Artemis also had a mass of big whips on the bow, which I assume were base
tuned HF - the normal VHF whips were practically invisible beside them.
Aurora presumably had something similar, but they weren't obvious.

Needless to say, each ship had two large VSAT radomes, and three or four
smaller Inmarsat (and other satcom?) antennas.

Andy  G4JNT

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<div>Yesterday I&nbsp;was watching&nbsp;two large cruise ships sail down Southampton water (P&amp;O ships,&nbsp; &#39;Artemis&#39; and &#39;Aurora&#39;).&nbsp;&nbsp; Both had a&nbsp;large&nbsp;wire antennas strung between the masts,&nbsp;and in the case of&nbsp; Artemis this extended down at each end close to bow and stern; and there&nbsp;may even have been two wire side-by-side on this ship.&nbsp;&nbsp;A really long antenna.&nbsp;&nbsp; I&#39;m not sure of the length of these ships, but they&nbsp;could &nbsp;be 200 metres (ish),&nbsp;so even at&nbsp;the bottom end of HF these are electrically&nbsp;long-wires.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
</div>
<div>Of course, the pair on Artemis, if I saw them correctly, could even be phased for really high gain at HF - a Rhombic perhaps?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Does&nbsp;anyone know if&nbsp;large modern ships still have MF, or a serious HF presence?&nbsp;&nbsp;Or are the wire antenna(s ?) just there to hang flags from?&nbsp; Or are they not even antennas, but just used for supporting decorations.</div>

<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Artemis also had a mass of big whips on the bow, which I assume were base tuned HF - the normal VHF&nbsp;whips were practically invisible beside them.&nbsp;&nbsp; Aurora presumably had something similar, but they weren&#39;t obvious.
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Needless to say, each ship had two large VSAT radomes, and three or four smaller Inmarsat (and other satcom?) antennas.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Andy&nbsp; G4JNT</div>

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Hi,

My phone line & all my neighbours lines (20 lines in all) are about 6 or 7 
metres in the air from a pole directly across the street from me & I have no 
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is switched on in the morning and switched off (not always) when I go to 
bed. Never noticed any disturbance on any band, from 30 kHz to 1296 MHz.
The modem/router/access-point is a couple of meters from the radios.
Here too the phone line is underground.

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Hmmm....nothing seen yet. I see a signal on 137.7215, but I think it's a
Loran line. How about going to QRSS10 or QRSS30?..might be able to pull you
in that way.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM (Nr Windor SE England)

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Excellent, i'm running QRSS with 3 second dots i think.

Just running a 6m vertical T antenna and 60W in..

Rob

Dave G3WCB wrote:
> Hi, Rob, LF.
>
> The station on 138.8 does seem to be QRT for now. Most of the QRN has gone
> as well.
>
> I'm currently running an QRSS3 ARGO grab centred on 137.720 kHz. What mode
> are you using?
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM (Nr Windor SE England)
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>
>
> Hi all, just wondering if this signal is off air tonight as nothing
> received tonight, vy quiet on the band.
>
> Ive currently got a beacon running on 137.720 with a cobbled together
> setup, anyone hearing it?
>
> Rob
> M0DTS
>
>
>
>
>
>






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Excellent, i'm running QRSS with 3 second dots i think.

Just running a 6m vertical T antenna and 60W in..

Rob

Dave G3WCB wrote:
> Hi, Rob, LF.
>
> The station on 138.8 does seem to be QRT for now. Most of the QRN has gone
> as well.
>
> I'm currently running an QRSS3 ARGO grab centred on 137.720 kHz. What mode
> are you using?
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM (Nr Windor SE England)
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>
>
> Hi all, just wondering if this signal is off air tonight as nothing
> received tonight, vy quiet on the band.
>
> Ive currently got a beacon running on 137.720 with a cobbled together
> setup, anyone hearing it?
>
> Rob
> M0DTS
>
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>   



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Hi, Rob, LF.

The station on 138.8 does seem to be QRT for now. Most of the QRN has gone
as well.

I'm currently running an QRSS3 ARGO grab centred on 137.720 kHz. What mode
are you using?

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM (Nr Windor SE England)

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Hi all, just wondering if this signal is off air tonight as nothing
received tonight, vy quiet on the band.

Ive currently got a beacon running on 137.720 with a cobbled together
setup, anyone hearing it?

Rob
M0DTS





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Further to my previous posting-GW3UEP is 50km N.EAST of me 

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It's Jim, M0BMU!

Deafening at this location, as usual :-)

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Anyone confirm a station on this frequency at the moment, looks like 
dfcw maybe?
Cant make out the id...

It's the first station i have seen!

Thanks

Rob





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Might be of general interest... =20

Severe MW pulses with mains PRF, common-mode via BT-lines throughout =
village [300yds from MF antenna].

Two Belkin Wireless Routers powered-up, but no Sync LED & no B/B =
connection [std ADSL modem ok - no RFI].

RFI-detector FSD near BT line & dc-lead from s/mode wall-wart [12V/1.25A =
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Replaced with generic type, Sync ok, B/B ok.

BT-line noise now low, similar to std ADSL "Frog" modem.

Nasty little wart now in safe-custody - time for a pint!

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Hi all!
No QRN this evening, it means good time for receiving on 500kHz.
 
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Nice experimentation - too noisy to receive anything from you but appreciate 
the signal  whist in XE


Now in San Antonio TX -
Laurence KL1X/5


>From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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>Subject: Re: LF: 136kHz tests - M0BMU ERP
>Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 12:50:50 +0100
>
>Dear LF Group,
>
>Thanks to all for the reports on the beacon signal. The DFCW30 beacon ran
>through until about 0400utc this morning.
>
>The purpose of the tests was to do some field strength measurements with a
>new mobile measuring antenna set-up I have been working on recently. This 
>is
>meant for determining transmitted ERP and antenna efficiency on 136k and
>500k. I am still in the process of calibrating the system, but it should be
>quite accurate now. I initially used my antenna in inv-L configuration
>(about 40m long, 10m high top section) with about 1kW TX power and made
>field strength measurements at 38 locations between about 1km and 6km 
>around
>my QTH, and then calculated the ERP for each location. Most of these were
>within +/- 2dB of the average; I rejected 3 that were outside this limit as
>probably being affected by the receiving location. The average of the
>remaining 35 came to 0.18W ERP. I then repeated the measurements at 6 of 
>the
>former locations, with the centre of the antenna span raised to 14m with a
>fibreglass pole, making an inverted-V configuration. This increased the ERP
>to 0.59W average (most of the time, the DFCW30 signal was being transmitted
>at this level).
>
>The antenna current was close to 4A for both configurations, but the loss
>resistance for the increased height antenna was reduced from about 63ohms 
>to
>51ohms, so lower TX power was required. The overall efficiency works out to
>0.010% for the inv-L antenna configuration, and 0.040% for the inv-V
>configuration. So the fairly modest increase in average height of the top
>wire of the antenna increases the overall efficiency by a factor of 4. The
>effective height calculated from the antenna dimensions is about 9m for the
>inv-L and 12m for  the inv-V. But calculating Heff from the field-strength
>measurements gives 4.5m (inv-L) and 7.8m (inv-V). This could be interpreted
>as the effective height of the antenna being reduced by the screening 
>effect
>of the surrounding trees, buildings etc. From these figures, about 4m is
>knocked off the effective height of the antennas, giving substantially less
>ERP than what would be calculated from the antenna dimensions and current.
>
>I did similar measurements back in 2003 with similar antennas, and the
>antenna efficiency was better by a factor of 3 or more then. The loss
>resistance has also increased substantially, from 37ohms for the inv-L and
>29ohms for the inv-V. This is not so surprising, because several trees
>around the antenna were just seedlings then, but now they have grown to a
>similar height to the antenna wire.
>
>These are just preliminary results, but they do show how important it is to
>get the maximum height possible for the antenna. Unfortunately, this is
>usually the most difficult dimension to increase!
>
>I hope to repeat these tests on 500kHz in the next few days.
>
>Cheers, Jim Moritz
>73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
>

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Ooops,

I wrote:
 > When the topload is raised, and if everything scales
 > nicely, the area of the base of the cone increases with the square of
 > topload height.

I was thinking of a "point source"... A 40 meter wire is of course a
rather "stretched" point so there will be a "tent" instead of a cone :-)

If the topload L >> H then the "Laurencian Area" covered will probably
scale almost linearly with topload height (and length!). What happens
at the ends is just a small portion of the total capacitance when L >> H.

Increasing the "Laurencian Area" beyond a certain point may be a case of
diminishing returns unless the "absolute resistance" of the galvanic
grounding point(s) is very low.

Just a few thoughts...

73
Johan SM6LKM


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Dear Jim, LFers,

James Moritz wrote:
 > 10m high top section [...]
 > centre of the antenna span raised to 14m [...]
 > increases the overall efficiency by a factor of 4 [...]

A very interesting experiment Jim!

I find it amazing that such a small increase in average height
can make such a dramatic improvement in efficiency! Were
there any trees near the center of the topload wire?


 > This could be interpreted as the effective height of the antenna being
 > reduced by the screening effect of the surrounding trees, buildings etc.

Yes, but I suspect that the improvement also may have something to do with
"Laurie's footprint theory" even if the horizontal length is not changed.
My rough guess is that most of the electric field between the topload and
the ground, and hence the displacement current, is confined in a cone (well,
roughly) of a certain angle (neglecting trees and other vertical objects in
the vicinity...). When the topload is raised, and if everything scales
nicely, the area of the base of the cone increases with the square of
topload height. A larger "pickup area" on the ground means more
"grass straws in parallel" :-)


73
Johan SM6LKM


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Dear LF Group,

Thanks to all for the reports on the beacon signal. The DFCW30 beacon ran
through until about 0400utc this morning.

The purpose of the tests was to do some field strength measurements with a
new mobile measuring antenna set-up I have been working on recently. This is
meant for determining transmitted ERP and antenna efficiency on 136k and
500k. I am still in the process of calibrating the system, but it should be
quite accurate now. I initially used my antenna in inv-L configuration
(about 40m long, 10m high top section) with about 1kW TX power and made
field strength measurements at 38 locations between about 1km and 6km around
my QTH, and then calculated the ERP for each location. Most of these were
within +/- 2dB of the average; I rejected 3 that were outside this limit as
probably being affected by the receiving location. The average of the
remaining 35 came to 0.18W ERP. I then repeated the measurements at 6 of the
former locations, with the centre of the antenna span raised to 14m with a
fibreglass pole, making an inverted-V configuration. This increased the ERP
to 0.59W average (most of the time, the DFCW30 signal was being transmitted
at this level).

The antenna current was close to 4A for both configurations, but the loss
resistance for the increased height antenna was reduced from about 63ohms to
51ohms, so lower TX power was required. The overall efficiency works out to
0.010% for the inv-L antenna configuration, and 0.040% for the inv-V
configuration. So the fairly modest increase in average height of the top
wire of the antenna increases the overall efficiency by a factor of 4. The
effective height calculated from the antenna dimensions is about 9m for the
inv-L and 12m for  the inv-V. But calculating Heff from the field-strength
measurements gives 4.5m (inv-L) and 7.8m (inv-V). This could be interpreted
as the effective height of the antenna being reduced by the screening effect
of the surrounding trees, buildings etc. From these figures, about 4m is
knocked off the effective height of the antennas, giving substantially less
ERP than what would be calculated from the antenna dimensions and current.

I did similar measurements back in 2003 with similar antennas, and the
antenna efficiency was better by a factor of 3 or more then. The loss
resistance has also increased substantially, from 37ohms for the inv-L and
29ohms for the inv-V. This is not so surprising, because several trees
around the antenna were just seedlings then, but now they have grown to a
similar height to the antenna wire.

These are just preliminary results, but they do show how important it is to
get the maximum height possible for the antenna. Unfortunately, this is
usually the most difficult dimension to increase!

I hope to repeat these tests on 500kHz in the next few days.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU





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Dear LF,

I'm looking for a manual, handbook, operator guide, for Watkins-Johnson
340A-6 (0 - 900kc/s)RX, or anything that explains what all the sockets do
and how to extract the best from it. Anybody got any ideas?

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Last night good copy of WD2XES

the captures of night are at :
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Rob, M0DTS" <rob@m0dts.co.uk>
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> Anyone confirm a station on this frequency at the moment, looks like
> dfcw maybe?
> Cant make out the id...
>
Dear Rob, Victor, LF Group,

Mmm - neither can I! It seems I had set the DFCW mode to "half space", which
does not work well with a call like "M0BMU". I've changed it now. Thanks for
the reports, and pleased to be Rob's first signal on 136k - hopefully of
many more.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


> It's the first station i have seen!
>
> Thanks
>
> Rob
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Thanks Jeff.  I;ll take a look when I get back.
Was on at 15 watts last night.

Joe

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007, F6CWN wrote:

> 23./06/2007   0638z
>
> Good morning Joe and all,
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> This night terrific noise, drowned signal.
> Perhaps better tomorrow...
>
> 73: Jeff
>


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Just a quick one on my way to ARRL Field Day.
VO1MRC is on 137.75 kHz at 5 WPM for field day.
Only 15 watts however.

73
Joe

On Sat, 23 Jun 2007, F6CWN wrote:

> 23./06/2007   0638z
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> Good morning Joe and all,
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> This night terrific noise, drowned signal.
> Perhaps better tomorrow...
>
> 73: Jeff
>


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Thanks.

On 13/06/07, Roger Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dumb question, but who at the RSGB checks and gives the OK to 500kHz NoV
> applications? I have one ready to send (almost) but want it to succeed, so
> would prefer that it has a "stamp of approval" first.
>
> BTW, I have just added a 500kHz page to my QRP website.
>
> 73s
> Roger
> G3XBM
> http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
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Thanks.<br><br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 13/06/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Roger Lapthorn</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:rogerlapthorn@gmail.com">rogerlapthorn@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Dumb question, but who at the RSGB checks and gives the OK to 500kHz NoV applications? I have one ready to send (almost) but want it to succeed, so would prefer that it has a &quot;stamp of approval&quot; first.
<br><br>BTW, I have just added a 500kHz page to my QRP website. <br><br>73s<br>Roger<br>G3XBM<br><a onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.g3xbm.co.uk/" target="_blank">http://www.g3xbm.co.uk
</a> <br></blockquote></div><br>

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Roger,

I just sent my application direct to Ofcom. The NoV came back in about 2 
weeks.

Best wishes,

Alan

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Lapthorn <rogerlapthorn@gmail.com> writes
>Dumb question, but who at the RSGB checks and gives the OK to 500kHz
>NoV applications? I have one ready to send (almost) but want it to
>succeed, so would prefer that it has a "stamp of approval" first.
>
>BTW, I have just added a 500kHz page to my QRP website.
>
>73s
>Roger
>G3XBM
>http://www.g3xbm.co.uk




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Dumb question, but who at the RSGB checks and gives the OK to 500kHz NoV
applications? I have one ready to send (almost) but want it to succeed, so
would prefer that it has a "stamp of approval" first.

BTW, I have just added a 500kHz page to my QRP website.

73s
Roger
G3XBM
http://www.g3xbm.co.uk

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Dumb question, but who at the RSGB checks and gives the OK to 500kHz NoV applications? I have one ready to send (almost) but want it to succeed, so would prefer that it has a &quot;stamp of approval&quot; first.<br><br>BTW, I have just added a 500kHz page to my QRP website.
<br><br>73s<br>Roger<br>G3XBM<br><a href="http://www.g3xbm.co.uk">http://www.g3xbm.co.uk</a> <br>

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Hi J.B.

You could try increasing the display resolution in Windows, that should do
the trick.

Cheers,

Gary - G4WGT.



On 02/06/07, J. B. Weazle McCreath <weazle@hurontel.on.ca> wrote:
>
> Hello Lowfers, LFers,
>
> I've downloaded and installed Navtex version 2.1.0 for something
> new to try.  It seems to be working OK, but I do have one issue
> with it.  The display doesn't fit well into my screen, and I have to
> drag it around with the mouse to see all of it.  Now for the dumb
> question...how do I make it "fit" the screen?  I've looked in my
> Windows for Dummy's book to no avail.
>
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
> Solar and wind powered
> Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
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>
> http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle
>
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<div>Hi J.B. </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>You could try increasing the display resolution in Windows, that should do the trick.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Cheers,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Gary - G4WGT.</div>
<div><br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 02/06/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">J. B. Weazle McCreath</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:weazle@hurontel.on.ca">weazle@hurontel.on.ca</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Hello Lowfers, LFers,<br><br>I&#39;ve downloaded and installed Navtex version 2.1.0 for something<br>new to try.&nbsp;&nbsp;It seems to be working OK, but I do have one issue
<br>with it.&nbsp;&nbsp;The display doesn&#39;t fit well into my screen, and I have to<br>drag it around with the mouse to see all of it.&nbsp;&nbsp;Now for the dumb<br>question...how do I make it &quot;fit&quot; the screen?&nbsp;&nbsp;I&#39;ve looked in my
<br>Windows for Dummy&#39;s book to no avail.<br><br>73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL<br>Solar and wind powered<br>Lowfer &quot; EAR&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp;188.830<br>EN93dr<br><br><a href="http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle">http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle
</a><br><br><br><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>

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Hello Lowfers, LFers,

I've downloaded and installed Navtex version 2.1.0 for something
new to try.  It seems to be working OK, but I do have one issue
with it.  The display doesn't fit well into my screen, and I have to
drag it around with the mouse to see all of it.  Now for the dumb
question...how do I make it "fit" the screen?  I've looked in my
Windows for Dummy's book to no avail.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle




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On 15 Jun 2007 at 6:54, Dave Sergeant wrote:

> Rather interesting Jim. There are a couple of leylandii which the
> previous neighbour planted in his garden a few years ago, and which
> are growing at an enormous rate of knots. See
> http://www.davesergeant.com/qrp/160vert.htm (photos taken in 2005).

Whoops, that should read http://www.davesergeant.com/qrp/vert160.htm -
 too early in the morning. Normally check all links work before 
sending emails, forgot...

73 Dave G3YMC

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On 12 Jun 2007 at 10:43, James Moritz wrote:

> It has often been said that trees surrounding an LF vertical antenna
> can be responsible for a substantial proportion of  the antenna loss,
> and  at my QTH there are several trees that have gradually been
> getting bigger over the years, so I decided to try to measure how much
> RF current was actually flowing in some trees.

Rather interesting Jim. There are a couple of leylandii which the 
previous neighbour planted in his garden a few years ago, and which 
are growing at an enormous rate of knots. See 
http://www.davesergeant.com/qrp/160vert.htm (photos taken in 2005).

The left hand tree,  behind where the  vertical is, is just a couple 
of metres or so from my vertical and suspect is absorbing quite a lot 
of my rf. It might also be related to the enormous 300 ohm earth loss 
resistance I seem to have...

I have a theory that it is actually working like some sort of 
reflector. I have excellent chats with Chris G3XIZ in Biggleswade (to 
the north) whereas the Kent boys (east and similar distance) just 
about detect me in the noise. I have not heard anybody to the south, 
through the trees, yet.

Maybe there is more about leylandii than we know!!

73 Dave G3YMC

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Hi Johan, I reckon you can make a fairly good guess at that even without
Jim's measurements. Ideally the end of the top wire needs to be as far from
the top of the tree as it is from the ground, so that the majority of the
current induced by the high voltage at the end of the top wire, goes to
ground. The negative point is this means shortening the run of the top wire,
but you can bend it at 90 degrees and turn it into a flat "T" shape if you
have enough trees. The direction of top load is not important because it
does not radiate significantly, but it does contribute to reduced ground
loss.

Going back to some experiments that Mike Denisson G3XDV did many years ago
now....he grounded his house-mounted support pole. This increased his aerial
current and increased the signal. The gress was that this made a less lossy
path for the coupled current. One would expect the antenna current to
increse but since it was being "taken out" of the vertical and shunted to
ground one would not have expected a significant increase in field strength.
So the next question is what happens if you make the tree "a good conductor"
by dropping a wire down its trunk ??  This now begins to look like a
configuaration that Rik proposed a number of years back but I believe did
not have the time to test.

This is the fun of LF you can ask "silly" questions like this !! and have
fun exploring then cos it ain't in the books !!

Oh and, Yes it is reciprocal, but might be fun to try and match to !!

Well done Jim, nice  experiment.

Cheers de Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: Johan H. Bodin <jh.bodin@telia.com>
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> Jim, the LF group,
>
> thanks for sharing a very interesting experiment!
>
>
> James Moritz wrote:
>  > Generally, trees closer to the antenna and with
>  > bigger areas of foliage had higher currents, as you would expect.
>
> This raises the following question:
>    http://web.telia.com/~u33233109/
>
> I bet the answer contains the words "it depends..." ;-)
>
>
> 73
> Johan SM6LKM
>
>



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Jim, the LF group,

thanks for sharing a very interesting experiment!


James Moritz wrote:
 > Generally, trees closer to the antenna and with
 > bigger areas of foliage had higher currents, as you would expect.

This raises the following question:
   http://web.telia.com/~u33233109/

I bet the answer contains the words "it depends..." ;-)


73
Johan SM6LKM



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Dear LF Group,

It has often been said that trees surrounding an LF vertical antenna can be
responsible for a substantial proportion of  the antenna loss, and  at my
QTH there are several trees that have gradually been getting bigger over the
years, so I decided to try to measure how much RF current was actually
flowing in some trees.

To measure the tree current, I used a Rogowski coil - this is like a
toroidal RF current transformer, but without the magnetic core; instead of
measuring the secondary current, the open-circuit voltage across the
secondary is measured, and is proportional to the total current flowing
through the area enclosed by  the coil, the number of turns, the area of
each turn, and the frequency. My Rogowski coil used 1.2m of rubber hose as a
former, with about 500 turns of insulated wire, and had a scale factor of
around 100mV out = 1A in. I measured the voltage with a SPM-3 selective
voltmeter. The advantage of this type of current sensor is that the loop of
flexible hose former can be made large enough to fit round a tree, and can
be opened out, wrapped round the tree to be measured, and closed up again. A
practical difficulty is that the output is quite small compared to a normal
current transformer, and an aluminium foil electrostatic shield had to be
added in order to reduce the effect of pick-up of the intense E-field
directly under the antenna. This did not entirely eliminate the problem, but
reduced it to a reasonable level.

I measured the current near ground level in the trunks of 8 trees - these
are scattered around within about 10m horizontally of the antenna, with
heights of about 5 - 10m (antenna height is around 9 - 11m). With an antenna
current around 4A, the currents ranged from 50mA to 190mA, with the total
for the 8 trees being 930mA. Generally, trees closer to the antenna and with
bigger areas of foliage had higher currents, as you would expect.

The 8 measured are only a sample of the small trees and large bushes in and
around my garden, also at about 20 - 40m distance there are larger trees all
around my QTH as well. So it seems likely that a large fraction of the
electric flux of the antenna is intercepted by a tree at some point, and a
substantial proportion of the total antenna current is flowing to ground
through trees. Since wood is a poor conductor, it is not surprising that
trees close to the antenna increase the loss resistance. But also, current
flowing vertically in the trees will contribute to the overall radiation of
the antenna. However, since a current flowing "up" the antenna will be
flowing "down" the tree, and the spacing of tree and antenna is a very small
fraction of a wavelength, the effect of the tree current will be to partly
cancel the overall radiation, and so reduce  the radiation resistance. If
the current flowing in the trees is a large fraction of the total antenna
current, and the height of the trees is comparable with the antenna height,
one could expect a substantial reduction in radiation resistance and
effective height of the antenna, as the field strength measurements I made
last week would seem to indicate.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Tnx Jb u are on the right lines but there are no bolts. Someone might have a
manual.
Tnx to all the others with suggestions.
73 Mal/G3KEV

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> Hi Mal,
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> I've worked around aircraft off and on since the early seventy's
> and one of the wheel/rim configurations that seems common is
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Joe Craig wrote:
> Hi Jean-Pierre,
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> The beacon was off last night, but will return in a few days.

...and WD2XES should be on tonight.

John Andrews



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Hi Jean-Pierre,

The beacon was off last night, but will return in a few days.
Thank-you for monitoring.

73
Joe

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Last night nothing here ! propagation or beacon off ?

the captures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

































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G3XIZ is RST569 at the moment beaconing.  RX FT817 + 15m untuned wire.

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One more night of WOLF (10) on 137.577 kHz, starting around 0030 
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Jean-Pierre, Michel,

Thanks for the nice reports. Conditions appear to be good if the static 
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Hi John ,
In spite of the local storms, I copy a screen of your signal .
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

John Andrews a =E9crit :
> Weather permitting, WD2XES will be back on 137.577 kHz tonight with=20
> WOLF (10), starting around 0000 UTC. The start may be delayed if=20
> thunderstorms remain in this area.
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> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
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2007-06-06 01:50:25 >WOLF10  -r 44097.89 -f 9577 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f: 0.111 a: 1.3 dp: 68.0 ci: 5 cj:200 XH08KJHJV*XDHLN ?
t:  48 f:-0.508 a:-1.1 dp: 62.8 ci: 5 cj:280 *ORZ/2OTOO81DB6 ?
t:  96 f:-0.190 a:-0.9 dp: 84.4 ci: 0 cj:273 ???XKS1YTO8USUG ?
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t:2688 f:-0.078 pm:21.71 jm:431 q: -2.7 -9.0 CCJ5S3W 380*UAB ?
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2007-06-06 02:43:20 >WOLF10  -r 44097.89 -f 9577 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
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Lloyd,

That's better! Maybe better than Hartmut. <g>

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Good copy hr tonite
de Lloyd W3NF FM19MH

2007-06-06 00:14:12 >WOLF10  -r 8000 -f 577 -t 1.0 -d 22 -w 0.0000
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t: 192 f: 0.107 pm:10.83 jm:443 q: -3.0 -3.1 CQ DX DE WD2XES -
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----- Original Message ----- 
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> Weather permitting, WD2XES will be back on 137.577 kHz tonight with WOLF 
> (10), starting around 0000 UTC. The start may be delayed if thunderstorms 
> remain in this area.
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> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
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Weather permitting, WD2XES will be back on 137.577 kHz tonight with WOLF 
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thunderstorms remain in this area.

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Wow! I copied absolutely nothing..which seems strange for me since ole Wolf 
seems to come through generally..but much static last nite..think my antenna 
is still OK HI!!
de Lloyd W3NF
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> XES will be back in WOLF (10) mode tonight on 137.577 kHz, starting 
> between 0100 and 0130 UTC.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
>
>
>
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Hello John ,
I was obliged to stop the station because of the local storms this night =
!
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

J. B. Weazle McCreath a =E9crit :
> Hi John, LFers,
>
> Here's how your Wolf signals came thru the rain and rumbles of thunder
> here at Aerial Acres this evening:
>
> 2007-06-05 00:40:16 >WOLF10  -r 8000 -f 577 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
> t:  24 f: 0.933 a: 0.1 dp: 93.6 ci:10 cj:399 X931C3/4XURB*6D ?
> t:  48 f:-0.927 a: 0.9 dp: 91.0 ci: 9 cj:414 XLSR65VCL7 OMV0 ?
> t:  96 f:-0.927 a: 0.9 dp: 88.9 ci:13 cj:291 3KYE0DM7W.96AXL ?
> t: 192 f:-0.439 pm:33.32 jm:731 q:-12.3 -6.2 QWF???L9 S999MD -
> t: 288 f:-0.312 pm:49.71 jm:451 q:-12.7 -7.7 F 24*LLWAQ.EZOA ?
> t: 384 f:-0.312 pm:57.55 jm:451 q:-11.2 -6.0 UGVJD*Z96VC*H3K ?
> t: 480 f: 0.537 pm:526.2 jm:722 q: -2.0 -3.1 XES 07 JUN WOLF -
> t: 576 f: 0.537 pm:735.1 jm:722 q:  0.5 -0.2 XES 07 JUN WOLF -
> t: 672 f: 0.537 pm: 1124 jm:722 q:  2.6  2.0 XES 07 JUN WOLF -
> t: 768 f: 0.537 pm: 1403 jm:722 q:  3.9  3.4 XES 07 JUN WOLF -
> t: 864 f: 0.537 pm: 1756 jm:722 q:  5.4  5.3 XES 07 JUN WOLF -
> t: 960 f: 0.537 pm: 2220 jm:722 q:  7.2  6.4 XES 07 JUN WOLF -
> t:1056 f: 0.537 pm: 2274 jm:722 q:  7.1  6.4 XES 07 JUN WOLF -
>
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
> Solar and wind powered
> Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
> EN93dr
>
> http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle
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J.B.,

Ahhh, you caught the 15 minutes with the wrong date...<g> It was fixed 
before 0200. Did not start transmitting until 0143 (on 5 Jun!). Thanks.

John A.

J. B. Weazle McCreath wrote:
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> Here's how your Wolf signals came thru the rain and rumbles of thunder
> here at Aerial Acres this evening:

> t: 480 f: 0.537 pm:526.2 jm:722 q: -2.0 -3.1 XES 07 JUN WOLF -



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Hi John, LFers,

Here's how your Wolf signals came thru the rain and rumbles of thunder
here at Aerial Acres this evening:

2007-06-05 00:40:16 >WOLF10  -r 8000 -f 577 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f: 0.933 a: 0.1 dp: 93.6 ci:10 cj:399 X931C3/4XURB*6D ?
t:  48 f:-0.927 a: 0.9 dp: 91.0 ci: 9 cj:414 XLSR65VCL7 OMV0 ?
t:  96 f:-0.927 a: 0.9 dp: 88.9 ci:13 cj:291 3KYE0DM7W.96AXL ?
t: 192 f:-0.439 pm:33.32 jm:731 q:-12.3 -6.2 QWF???L9 S999MD -
t: 288 f:-0.312 pm:49.71 jm:451 q:-12.7 -7.7 F 24*LLWAQ.EZOA ?
t: 384 f:-0.312 pm:57.55 jm:451 q:-11.2 -6.0 UGVJD*Z96VC*H3K ?
t: 480 f: 0.537 pm:526.2 jm:722 q: -2.0 -3.1 XES 07 JUN WOLF -
t: 576 f: 0.537 pm:735.1 jm:722 q:  0.5 -0.2 XES 07 JUN WOLF -
t: 672 f: 0.537 pm: 1124 jm:722 q:  2.6  2.0 XES 07 JUN WOLF -
t: 768 f: 0.537 pm: 1403 jm:722 q:  3.9  3.4 XES 07 JUN WOLF -
t: 864 f: 0.537 pm: 1756 jm:722 q:  5.4  5.3 XES 07 JUN WOLF -
t: 960 f: 0.537 pm: 2220 jm:722 q:  7.2  6.4 XES 07 JUN WOLF -
t:1056 f: 0.537 pm: 2274 jm:722 q:  7.1  6.4 XES 07 JUN WOLF -

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

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Hi Jean-Pierre, dont worry we all suffer from it sometimes....I nearly
ripped my receiver apart one day until I read an e-mail from Markus saying
DCF39 was off !! :-))
DCF39 and Budapest are too close to use as really weak signal beacons, CFH
from Halifax NS used to be a good check but being on 137.00kHz they
obliterated a good chunk of the band for out Stateside friends.

Good Luck with the Wolf transmissions.
Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: Jean-Pierre M�r� <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
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Oh thank you Alan for this good explanation, I will be able to go to
sleep " less stupid " !......
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

Alan Melia a �crit :
> Hi Jean-Pierre, I dont think it was propagation, probably just lack of
> activity, and an unfavourable fading conditions with the path to John.
Steve
> W3EEE's plot of DCF39 and Budapest shows good signal levels considering
that
> that path is almost in 100% daylight now. with just a narrow twilight
> window. There have been some storms in the US which may have prevented
some
> activity, and generally the US listner activity cools down at this time of
> year anyway.
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jean-Pierre M�r� <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: 04 June 2007 08:30
> Subject: Re: LF: XES WOLF tonight
>
>
> Hello John and all ,
> Nothing, nil ! not only one coherent screen ! memory I do not remember
> to have seen the so low propagation on 137 Khz . Is this the solar
> activity of these last days ????
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
>
>
>
>
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Dear Laurence glad to meet you and welcome to Mexico :-)
Sad that you are so far from me, I am very interested to build some antenna 
for Rx VLF and you would be a great teacher :-)
Enjoy your trip and have a great vacations
Sincerely Al
XE2AT DL81uu just 1500 kms from Cancun :-)


>From: "Laurence KL1X" <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>Subject: Re: LF: XES WOLF tonight
>Date: Mon, 04 Jun 2007 09:21:39 -0800
>
>Ahh found an internet shop !
>
>It was (is) very very noizey with storms thru the night here  on the Carrib 
>Mexican coast - just traces of locks onto Johns signals but we were woken 
>up a few times in the night  and its still stormy here at Midday -
>
>Laurence XE  KL1 X mobile
>
>
>
>
>>From: "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
>>Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>Subject: Re: LF: XES WOLF tonight
>>Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 14:05:31 +0100
>>
>>Hi Jean-Pierre, I dont think it was propagation, probably just lack of
>>activity, and an unfavourable fading conditions with the path to John. 
>>Steve
>>W3EEE's plot of DCF39 and Budapest shows good signal levels considering 
>>that
>>that path is almost in 100% daylight now. with just a narrow twilight
>>window. There have been some storms in the US which may have prevented 
>>some
>>activity, and generally the US listner activity cools down at this time of
>>year anyway.
>>
>>Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>>.
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Jean-Pierre M�r� <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
>>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>Sent: 04 June 2007 08:30
>>Subject: Re: LF: XES WOLF tonight
>>
>>
>>Hello John and all ,
>>Nothing, nil ! not only one coherent screen ! memory I do not remember
>>to have seen the so low propagation on 137 Khz . Is this the solar
>>activity of these last days ????
>>73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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Ok John , i will listening .

73 Jean-Pierre f1afj

John Andrews a =E9crit :
> XES will be back in WOLF (10) mode tonight on 137.577 kHz, starting=20
> between 0100 and 0130 UTC.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
>
>
>
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Oh thank you Alan for this good explanation, I will be able to go to=20
sleep " less stupid " !......
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

Alan Melia a =E9crit :
> Hi Jean-Pierre, I dont think it was propagation, probably just lack of
> activity, and an unfavourable fading conditions with the path to John. =
Steve
> W3EEE's plot of DCF39 and Budapest shows good signal levels considering=
 that
> that path is almost in 100% daylight now. with just a narrow twilight
> window. There have been some storms in the US which may have prevented =
some
> activity, and generally the US listner activity cools down at this time=
 of
> year anyway.
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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>
>
> Hello John and all ,
> Nothing, nil ! not only one coherent screen ! memory I do not remember
> to have seen the so low propagation on 137 Khz . Is this the solar
> activity of these last days ????
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  =20

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XES will be back in WOLF (10) mode tonight on 137.577 kHz, starting 
between 0100 and 0130 UTC.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES



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Ahh found an internet shop !

It was (is) very very noizey with storms thru the night here  on the Carrib 
Mexican coast - just traces of locks onto Johns signals but we were woken up 
a few times in the night  and its still stormy here at Midday -

Laurence XE  KL1 X mobile




>From: "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
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>
>Hi Jean-Pierre, I dont think it was propagation, probably just lack of
>activity, and an unfavourable fading conditions with the path to John. 
>Steve
>W3EEE's plot of DCF39 and Budapest shows good signal levels considering 
>that
>that path is almost in 100% daylight now. with just a narrow twilight
>window. There have been some storms in the US which may have prevented some
>activity, and generally the US listner activity cools down at this time of
>year anyway.
>
>Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Jean-Pierre M�r� <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Sent: 04 June 2007 08:30
>Subject: Re: LF: XES WOLF tonight
>
>
>Hello John and all ,
>Nothing, nil ! not only one coherent screen ! memory I do not remember
>to have seen the so low propagation on 137 Khz . Is this the solar
>activity of these last days ????
>73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
>
>
>

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Hi Jean-Pierre, I dont think it was propagation, probably just lack of
activity, and an unfavourable fading conditions with the path to John. Steve
W3EEE's plot of DCF39 and Budapest shows good signal levels considering that
that path is almost in 100% daylight now. with just a narrow twilight
window. There have been some storms in the US which may have prevented some
activity, and generally the US listner activity cools down at this time of
year anyway.

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Hello John and all ,
Nothing, nil ! not only one coherent screen ! memory I do not remember
to have seen the so low propagation on 137 Khz . Is this the solar
activity of these last days ????
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj





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Michel, Jean-Pierre,

Thank you for the reports! LF DX conditions should have been fairly good 
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Hello John and all ,
Nothing, nil ! not only one coherent screen ! memory I do not remember=20
to have seen the so low propagation on 137 Khz . Is this the solar=20
activity of these last days ????
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

John Andrews a =E9crit :
> WD2XES will run in WOLF(10) mode tonight on 137.577 kHz starting=20
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>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
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WD2XES will run in WOLF(10) mode tonight on 137.577 kHz starting around 
0H UTC. Reports are welcome.

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Hi Peter,
 
I had the same initial experience using a 20m dipole with the feeder  
strapped. Signal transformation occurred when I put a loading coil 'aloft' at  the 
dipole centre. I finally worked Ray GI3PDN and Finbar GI4DPE. There will  be  a 
note about the arrangement in the next issue of Sprat.
 
I converted the system to a dedicated tee and I now use a link wire to  short 
the coil and revert the system to an end fed wire with vertical and  
horizontal wires thus giving me some LF band capability. Actually it works quite  well 
on 10m. I share your reservations on possible tree absorption.
 
The coil is 180 turns on a 65mm plastic pipe which gives a measured 206 uH.  
I use a variometer for tuning plus a lower 22 uH coil between variometer and  
ground tapped to match into the 50 ohm feeder.
 
There is a home-brew RF current meter at the top of the variometer. My  
ground system consists of one stake but a large number or wires under the front  
drive, out into the back field, in a fan under the lawn and wound around our  
35ft by 45ft garden. The ATU system lives under the carport and is shared by a  
variety of spiders.
 
Last week my wife laid a new patio. I saw her from the bedroom window  
carefully laying three more wires under the slabs. She is not for  sale......
 
Good luck on the band. I shall listen for you during the day. Incidentally  I 
am amazed at the lack of interest in this new band which should surely appeal 
 to the QRP and ex marine radio types.
 
73
 
Colin G3VTT
 
 
 
In a message dated 28/06/2007 23:08:24 GMT Standard Time, ColePe@aol.com  
writes:

 
In a message dated 28/06/2007 20:58:14 Greenwich Standard Time,  
G3vtt@aol.com writes:

I will be making slow morse test transmissions on 502 kHz until  about 21:30 
GMT.
Appreciate reports if anyone can hear me.
 
73 
 
G3JFS, Peter in Plymouth.
 
Nothing heard here in the 'Far East' Peter. I'm currently CQing on 502  as 
well. Maybe our signals are colliding over Swindon?
 
Is this as good as it gets?
 
73
 
G3VTT
 
co/ba/pa 2E26 final 6w to a Marconi Tee up 30ft - 206 uH loading coil  K2 as 
tuneable IF



Thanks for the 'nil' report Colin.  I am running about 5 watts from  a 
5B/254M (the so-called miniature 807) to a 40m doublet with strapped  feeders.  The 
aerial is very poor though as it is lost amongst trees that  surround my 
garden.
 
73 Peter G3JFS



 



   

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In message <4661756E.9859.1979A02@dave.davesergeant.com>, Dave Sergeant 
<dave@davesergeant.com> writes
> While Colin was chatting from
>his /P G4GDR called CQ several times exactly co-channel (he was 589
>here) and he was clearly unaware that the others were chatting on top
>of him (as apparently Colin and Brian were also...).
>
>I know I am not the biggest signal in the world on 500kHz, but surely
>if I copy G4GDR (Swindon) 589 in Bracknell I would have thought they
>should have been hearing each other.

Hello Dave and LFers,

I thought I did hear a station sending during one of Colin's overs, but 
when both Colin and I repeatedly asked "QRZ?" we got no reply. Colin, 
Brian and I are quite close together so we might not always hear another 
station that is putting a good signal into other parts of the country, 
though we do try listening for other callers.

If anyone is having difficulty making me hear them then please drop me 
an email and we can make a sked. I've tried this a couple of times with 
Ray/GI3PDN although so far we haven't made a 2-way QSO.

I have moved the loading coil on my inverted-L from near the far end to 
the top of the vertical. I need less coil for resonance now, actually 
rather less than a simple 6pF/m of horizontal loading wire would 
predict. The loading coil is about 1m underneath my 40m yagi and I'm 
suspicious that the yagi and the HF array above it are adding extra 
capacitive loading. Given that the tower sections are not explicitly 
bonded together and the safety earth is not directly joined to my RF 
earth, I'm not convinced I have made things better. My next job is to 
see if the loss resistance has gone up or down. The SWR has certainly 
changed so the loss isn't near 50 ohms any more.

Enjoy NFD. You've certainly got the weather for it.


Cheers,

Alan G3XAQ
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On 2 Jun 2007 at 13:02, James Moritz wrote:

> Dear Colin, LF Group,
> 
> 1150utc - Just had a QSO with G3VTT/P (along with G3UNT) - now a very
> good 599 signal here after a slightly wobbly start!. Colin reports QRM
> from broadcast stations, but still was able to give me a 579 Report.
> Would love to know what is holding the kite up...
> 

I have been listening to Colin for a little while while he chatted to 
you, Brian UNT and Alan XAQ. Good 589/599 signals here from all 
stations. But it seems Colin couldn't copy me when he and Alan 
listened for any callers.

I know Colin is having problems from broadcast breakthough, but it 
does seem that some people have big receive problems. Earlier this 
morning I called Brian G3UNT but only got QRZs and he seemed to copy 
me as G4GDR at which point I gave up. While Colin was chatting from 
his /P G4GDR called CQ several times exactly co-channel (he was 589 
here) and he was clearly unaware that the others were chatting on top 
of him (as apparently Colin and Brian were also...).

I know I am not the biggest signal in the world on 500kHz, but surely 
if I copy G4GDR (Swindon) 589 in Bracknell I would have thought they 
should have been hearing each other.

Just dismantled my K2 and about to pop out to our NFD site. Good luck 
to others looking for Colin, back here first thing in the morning.

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com



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Dear Colin, LF Group,

1150utc - Just had a QSO with G3VTT/P (along with G3UNT) - now a very =
good 599 signal here after a slightly wobbly start!. Colin reports QRM =
from broadcast stations, but still was able to give me a 579 Report. =
Would love to know what is holding the kite up...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Hi All,

  As I mentioned to one or two I am planning a trip to the beach today =
to try portable 502 Khz. I am not hopeful that there will be enough wind =
for the kite but intend to hike the 3 miles with Geoff G3YVF and his =
'IRF510' tcvr anyway.

  Ofcom have been informed so that if one of the 'roving Ofcom =
inspection teams' turn up we can greet them in the traditional manner. =
Our location is Egypt Bay North Kent if anybody wants to join us!

  If any of you are still active on the band please keep an ear cocked, =
certainly at midday, wind permitting.

  73

  G3VTT


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Zitat von uwe-jannsen@versanet.de:

> Zitat von Lubom=EDr Bobal=EDk <lubomir.bobalik@rtv5.cz>:
>
>> Hallo Uwe and ALL!
>> It was hot day with temp 32=B0C today. It is after storm now, but I can
>> see signal DI2BE on 505.120kHz.
>> The beacon is 781km apart from my QTH. Good signal through a lot of QRN.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
>>
>
> Thanks, Lubos. di2be is with calculated 8,1W ERP ZOA. next week a have to
> verify this caculation by measuring the FS in a distance of >3 x 600 =3D =
1,2km.
>
> best regards
> Uwe/dj8wx/di2be
>
ahh, 1,8km.






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Zitat von Lubom=EDr Bobal=EDk <lubomir.bobalik@rtv5.cz>:

> Hallo Uwe and ALL!
> It was hot day with temp 32=B0C today. It is after storm now, but I can
> see signal DI2BE on 505.120kHz.
> The beacon is 781km apart from my QTH. Good signal through a lot of QRN.
>
> 73
>
> Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
>

Thanks, Lubos. di2be is with calculated 8,1W ERP ZOA. next week a have to
verify this caculation by measuring the FS in a distance of >3 x 600 =3D 1,=
2km.

best regards
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Hallo Uwe and ALL!
It was hot day with temp 32=B0C today. It is after storm now, but I can
see signal DI2BE on 505.120kHz.
The beacon is 781km apart from my QTH. Good signal through a lot of QRN.
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73
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Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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I have now started adding a few pages to my website for 500kHz. First 
off is my transmitter which may be of interest.

Find it at http://www.davesergeant.com/mf/tx.htm

You may find typos etc and I cannot guarantee the circuits are 100% 
identical to what I have built! If you see any errors please let me 
know.

I will be adding some background information on the main page 
(currently a mess, only uploaded to stop you getting a silly BTYahoo 
'not found' page..). Also details of the receiver and antenna and 
experiences of the band. Watch this space...

73 Dave G3YMC

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Hi Alan Its getting late and I am not sure I have absorbed all your data
correctly

1 dont forget the down wire has capacitance to ground as well....around an
average of 5pF per m, also you have the parasitic capacitance of the coil to
ground which will depend on its height above ground. The value (6pF/m) for
the capacitance of top wire is a rough usable estimate and can vary
depending on the height of the wire. The downwire value assumes a single
wire not a cone which has a greater capacity.

2 Transformer matching under the coil can be quite a confusing game. You
rreally need to measure the untuned wire to know the parameters, like ground
loss and coil loss can be measured separately. Some stations have suggested
putting a toroid within the field of the main loading coil can give stange
results (but this was with higher power at 136kHz)  Most seem to have found
connecting the bottom of the coil to ground and tapping up the coil the
easiest solution (you probably require too many turns to link couple but
that is another option)......probably less variables

3 Nearby wires/aerials will not have much effect UNLESS they are tuned to
500k as well. Then you will get coupling and a sort of GDO suck-out effect,
which looks like increased environmental loss.See the page below though for
136 it shows the effect.
http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/aecouple.htm

I can seriously recomment a simple bridge, it dispels a lot of the confusion
of trying to estimate ground loss from aerial current and power. You can
make changes to the grounding and if the "R" term doesnt change you aint
improved it despite any changes in aerial current. You can then use it to
get your matching right at resonance, by shorting out the variable capacity.
But you do need a drive souce of about 3 volts rms, and a tuned detector
like a receiver because you pick up lots of volts from MW BC stations which
swamp the null. There seems to be resistance to buiding these but those who
have, have sorted their problems out more quickly.
http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/aelossbr.htm

I hope that helps
Cheers de Alan G3NYK


----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: Unexplained tuning effects on 500K aerial


> In message <2FDOP7D5OXYGFwUq@g3xaq.demon.co.uk>, Alan Ibbetson
> <alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk> writes
> >I have moved the loading coil on my inverted-L from near the far end to
> >the top of the vertical. I need less coil for resonance now, actually
> >rather less than a simple 6pF/m of horizontal loading wire would
> >predict. The loading coil is about 1m underneath my 40m yagi and I'm
> >suspicious that the yagi and the HF array above it are adding extra
> >capacitive loading. Given that the tower sections are not explicitly
> >bonded together and the safety earth is not directly joined to my RF
> >earth, I'm not convinced I have made things better. My next job is to
> >see if the loss resistance has gone up or down. The SWR has certainly
> >changed so the loss isn't near 50 ohms any more.
>
> I made up a 3:2 turns ratio transformer using a ferrite loaded trifilar
> winding. Putting a 22 ohm resistor across 2 windings and looking into
> all 3 gives a good 50 ohm match (return loss 30dB), so the transformer
> works OK.
>
> I put this transformer at the base of my inverted-L with the loading
> coil at the top of the vertical as described above. The return loss is
> 22dB, suggesting a probable aerial input resistance of around 25 ohms.
> This is exactly half the value I had before, when I had the loading coil
> 30m out along the horizontal section of the aerial, so my pessimism
> appears unfounded. Perhaps Laurie's "footprint" theory explains the
> improvement? I'm not sure.
>
> What I am completely puzzled by is the short length of horizontal wire
> needed to bring the aerial (or rather its loading coil) to resonance. I
> have 15m of vertical. I started with 44.7m of horizontal wire and, at
> 6pF/m, calculated I needed a 375 uH loading coil. I made the coil and
> both calculation using an oft-quoted empirical formula and direct
> measurement with a Peak LCR40 agree that the coil is the expected
> inductance.
>
> Here is the puzzle. I actually only needed 36.5m of horizontal wire for
> resonance at 502.0KHz. That's about 50pF less than predicted. I know
> that the HF aerials are only a metre or two away from the coil and will
> probably add some capacitance, but 50pF? That seems hard to believe.
>
> If I align the 40m beam parallel to the 500K horizontal wire it shifts
> the 500K resonance LF by only 1KHz relative to orienting it at 90
> degrees to the wire. The change in horizontal wire length from 44.7 to
> 36.5m corresponded to a much greater frequency shift - about 35KHz if I
> remember correctly.
>
> Can anyone shed light on this for me please?
> --
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alan G3XAQ
> alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk
>
>



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Thanks for reply Geri,

another screenshot from last night,22:15z.
Not difficult to copy!

73 Victor

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Holger 'Geri', DK8KW
Verzonden: maandag 31 december 2001 22:22
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: Re: DI2BO


Hi Victor,

thanks for the continuous observation of DI2BO and posting screenshot from
time to time. Still running the same 1.7 mW ERP here which explains the weak
signal, which is, especially with some lightning QRN present surely
difficult to copy.

Best 73

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO.




----- Original Message -----
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> captured 22:00z at505.01 KHz
>
> 73
> Victor
> PA3FNY
> JO22NC



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Hi Johan
Many thanks for the info.
I also have to thank you for your SAQ RX which is great and 
I have reported SAQ using it. It is so easy to use.

IO91ux about 4miles north of Hitchin, North Herts, UK.

Many thanks and best 73 PeteFMT


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At 14.10 15/06/2007, you wrote:
>I just downloaded the 574 page book here:
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>http://k6mhe.com/
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>click "ANTENNA TOPICS", go to the end of that page and
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tnx Johan!

73 - Marco IK1ODO / AI4YF



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I just downloaded the 574 page book here:

http://k6mhe.com/

click "ANTENNA TOPICS", go to the end of that page and
click "Radio Antenna Engineering"


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Hi 
Sorry I could not a better the QSO I have some noise from 
domestic appliances. Also I had QRN and deep QSB on you. 
Your report at the start was 529. 
A good operator would have read you with no real difficulty 
but I am not very good especially when there is noise. Any 
way thanks for the QSO. 73 and good luck PeteFMT.


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John RABSON wrote:
> On 08/06/2007 at 19:40 Alberto di Bene wrote:
> 
>> Making a 60W light bulb glow from a distance of 2m does not impress me.
>> If the distance were a kilometer, then it could be really considered a
>> breakthrough, IMHO.
> One of my mentors (G3ERN SK) used to light an eight-foot fluorescent tube by touching it to the top of his 160m mobile whip.  He then walked around the yard and the tube stayed lit.
> 
> John F5VLF/G3PAI

That reminds me of the good ol' times when I was young and I was experimenting with my first Tx using the mythical 813 
tube (or valve, if you prefer). Tuning was accomplished by setting the controls for the max brightness of a fluorescent 
lamp hand-held at about 1m from the plate circuitry...

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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On 08/06/2007 at 19:40 Alberto di Bene wrote:

>Making a 60W light bulb glow from a distance of 2m does not impress me.
>If the distance were a kilometer, then it could be really considered a
>breakthrough, IMHO.
One of my mentors (G3ERN SK) used to light an eight-foot fluorescent tube=
 by touching it to the top of his 160m mobile whip.  He then walked around=
 the yard and the tube stayed lit.

John F5VLF/G3PAI





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Hi all, yes I guess there is a136 element to this too, looking at the
drawings on the web it would seem they are using toroidal antennas.....I
wonder if the have a licence from Boffin...Prof Roger Jennison G2AJV....one
time group member and 136 and 73k aether-rattler.....who holds a patent on
those I think.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK




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At 19.57 08/06/2007, you wrote:
>Alberto,
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>Give them time. They've just "discovered" loops. Quads may take a while...
>
>John Andrews

Yeah, giv 'em time... :-)   it's also on Physicsweb 
http://physicsweb.org/articles/news/11/6/5/1

"The researchers used the system to power a 60-W light bulb placed 
two metres from a wireless transmitter, and say that it could be 
scaled down for use in portable devices without a loss of efficiency "

Wow!

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Alberto di Bene wrote:
> Making a 60W light bulb glow from a distance of 2m does not impress me.
> If the distance were a kilometer, then it could be really considered a 
> breakthrough, IMHO.

Alberto,

Give them time. They've just "discovered" loops. Quads may take a while...

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Making a 60W light bulb glow from a distance of 2m does not impress me.
If the distance were a kilometer, then it could be really considered a breakthrough, IMHO.

73  Alberto  I2PHD
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Andy Talbot wrote:
> _http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6725955.stm _ 
> <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6725955.stm>
> 
> They clain to have acheived 40% efficiency - that doesn't seem very good.
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
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The bit I liked was:

<< The system exploits "resonance", a phenomenon that causes an 
object to vibrate when energy of a certain frequency is applied.
When two objects have the same resonance they exchange energy 
strongly without having an effect on other surrounding objects. >>

Now, I couldn't we use that effect in amateur radio somehow!

Mike, G3XDV
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> 
> They clain to have acheived 40% efficiency - that doesn't seem very
> good.
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
> 





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On 8 Jun 2007 at 11:49, Andy Talbot wrote:

> *http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/6725955.stm*<http://news.bbc.co
> .uk/1/hi/technology/6725955.stm>
> 
> They clain to have acheived 40% efficiency - that doesn't seem very
> good.
> 
> Andy  G4JNT
> 

By coincidence there is an article in this month's Engineering & 
Technology, the magazine of the IET, which discusses these 'power 
wireless' techniques, it dropped through the letter box this morning. 

It covers the MIT research and other, inductive coupling and near 
field techniques, in some depth. They cover how they place resonant 
receivers in the near field of the radiation and can get 50% or so 
efficiency at short ranges. But there is absolutely no mention of 
what they do to stop the radiation getting any further - and the only 
mention of frequency is 'a wavelength of 30m' at one point, which 
sounds suspiciously like our 30m band.... You really do have to take 
with a pinch of salt how much these chaps actually claim to know.

Another technique involves burying a sheet of resonant coils 
underneath the floor of the building to couple the rf into the room. 
The editor has added a snide remark at the end 'If the public is 
unwilling to allow mobile phone masts to be built close to schools, 
it seems unlikely they'll welcome the installation of underfloor 
grids delivering large amounts of power'. Hopefully this will kill 
these cloud cuckoo ideas stone dead...

In due course you will be able to read the article at 
http://www.theiet.org/engtechmag (only the May edition is there at 
the moment).

72 Dave G3YMC

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Local noise increasing but still good readable signal in Plymouth.
 
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Tnx, Victor, for the screenshot. 0,4W ERP, storm and rain.
73    Walter

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>Captured at 505.090
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This move will also be of great interest to cave radio users, although I=
 have not yet looked at the map to estimate the effect on cave-to-surface=
 communications.  

Anyway, there is no substitute for experiment. May I ask people to measure=
 the Loran level on 87kHz USB before, during and after the move? As well as=
 doing it with your normal home antenna, it would be helpful if you could=
 try an earthed dipole (10 to 50 metres long with the ends earthed by=
 skewers or tent pegs.  The receiver should for preference have a high=
 input impedance).

If you could do some measurements in caving areas that would be even=
 better!

Regards,
John Rabson
Cave Radio & Electronics Group
F5VLF/G3PAI

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On 01/06/2007 at 21:37 Dave Pick wrote:

>Dear all.
>
>I've just received a press release from the General Lighthouse Authorities
>of UK and Ireland with the news that VT Communications have been awarded a
>15 year contract to broadcast the e-Loran service from Anthorn commencing
>in
>October 2007.
>It also states that the Rugby "trial service" will cease at the end of
>July,
>presumably to allow time to move the equipment up to Cumbria.
>The press release is here <http://www.wireless.org.uk/loranpress.htm>.
>
>Good news for most of us.
>
>-- 
>G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK







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Hi Peter, i think (by anecdote) the TVs radiate the signal from their aerial
braid and can be reduced if not cured by a braid breaker in their aerial
lead close to the set. (Gen for that from a "near" neighbour to you G3XDV.

I have heard one comments that said that if they applied for a licence now
for that mode it would be refused !!
It may be what the Yanks call the wall-wart on the DVD that is causing the
trouble in which case substitue in linear supply with the same capacity. I
am fairly clear now on 500k most of what I found when my aerial was on the
floor was self generated (PCs) now the wire is elevated a little 6m the
noise situation is much better. I have been using Alberto's WinRad on a
multiturn loop straight into the sound card to look from "zero" to 48kHz
(96k sampling card) for SMPSU fundamentals. I do get some spill 50Hz
sidebands from the 16th harmonic of the line timebase at 500.000 kHz but its
not too bad now.

Good luck with the "negotiatiions"
Cheers de Alan G3NYK


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> Thanks for the info Alan.
>
> It's very loud here on 136 I suppose I have less to complain
> about compared to Dave. When the narrow filters are in its
> not really noticable.  Its such a an awfull spreading signal
> just imagine what Ofcom would do to us if we created a
> similar racket. (not much of a chance that with 1W ERP or
> 0.1W ERP available).
>
> Ok on the RX potential a useful tip.
>
> My current fight is with HD LCD TVs made in Turkey and Korean
> DVDs flattening 500kc/s if any one has called me recently and
> I've not come back it's because of the very high S9 racket
> from these devices. I am working on a compromise with the
> owner, my grown up son.
>
> Well hope to hear you on 502kc/s in the near future .... 73
> petefmt
>



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Thanks for the info Alan.

It's very loud here on 136 I suppose I have less to complain 
about compared to Dave. When the narrow filters are in its 
not really noticable.  Its such a an awfull spreading signal 
just imagine what Ofcom would do to us if we created a 
similar racket. (not much of a chance that with 1W ERP or 
0.1W ERP available).

Ok on the RX potential a useful tip.

My current fight is with HD LCD TVs made in Turkey and Korean 
DVDs flattening 500kc/s if any one has called me recently and 
I've not come back it's because of the very high S9 racket 
from these devices. I am working on a compromise with the 
owner, my grown up son. 

Well hope to hear you on 502kc/s in the near future .... 73 
petefmt


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Hi Peter that sounds like a dose of NIH, but I agree with your sentiments.
What is even more galling is that HM Government would no support the Decca
system a few year earlier ....a much more "radio ecologically clean" system
....so it was ripped out. Still it looks like the shipping companies will be
paying for this through their Lights Dues, so we will only see it as a
slight increase in the cost of chinese manufactured goods !

Now the plus side....keep an eye open for old yachty Loran receivers. I have
just picked up an Apelco (Raytheon) DX6300 which I cannot get a firmware
data upgade for (it still thinks Lessay is on an experimental GRI), but it
locks well to the chain when the correct GRI is entered manually, and then
there is a locked 10MHz output, which is referenced to a cesium standard,
and easy to extract. So it makes a very cheap off-air frequency standard. It
just doesn't compute the location.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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> Dave
>
> I hope it falls in the Mersey on it's way up the M6.
>
> Thought the days of Spark ended 50 years ago any way?
>
> 73 Petefmt
>



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Dave

I hope it falls in the Mersey on it's way up the M6.

Thought the days of Spark ended 50 years ago any way?

73 Petefmt


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Hi Dave & LF,

The move for LORAN brings it 20 Km nearer to me in here Lancashire.

170 Km to Rugby.
150 Km to Anthorn.

I will try to monitor & advise my findings.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp.


On 01/06/07, Dave Pick <daveyxm@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear all.
>
> I've just received a press release from the General Lighthouse Authorities
> of UK and Ireland with the news that VT Communications have been awarded a
> 15 year contract to broadcast the e-Loran service from Anthorn commencing in
> October 2007.
> It also states that the Rugby "trial service" will cease at the end of
> July, presumably to allow time to move the equipment up to Cumbria.
> The press release is here <http://www.wireless.org.uk/loranpress.htm>.
>
> Good news for most of us.
>
> --
> G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

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<div>Hi Dave &amp; LF,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>The move for LORAN brings it 20 Km nearer to me in here&nbsp;Lancashire.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>170 Km to Rugby.</div>
<div>150 Km to Anthorn.<br><br>I will try to monitor &amp; advise my findings.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>73</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 01/06/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Dave Pick</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:daveyxm@googlemail.com">daveyxm@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">Dear all.<br><br>I&#39;ve just received a press release from the General Lighthouse Authorities of UK and Ireland with the news that VT Communications have been awarded a 15 year contract to broadcast the e-Loran service from Anthorn commencing in October 2007. 
<br>It also states that the Rugby &quot;trial service&quot; will cease at the end of July, presumably to allow time to move the equipment up to Cumbria.<br>The press release is <a style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://www.wireless.org.uk/loranpress.htm" target="_blank">
here</a>.<br clear="all"><br>Good news for most of us.<br><span class="sg"><br>-- <br>G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK </span></blockquote></div>

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Dear all.

I've just received a press release from the General Lighthouse Authorities
of UK and Ireland with the news that VT Communications have been awarded a
15 year contract to broadcast the e-Loran service from Anthorn commencing in
October 2007.
It also states that the Rugby "trial service" will cease at the end of July,
presumably to allow time to move the equipment up to Cumbria.
The press release is here <http://www.wireless.org.uk/loranpress.htm>.

Good news for most of us.

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Dear all.<br><br>I&#39;ve just received a press release from the General Lighthouse Authorities of UK and Ireland with the news that VT Communications have been awarded a 15 year contract to broadcast the e-Loran service from Anthorn commencing in October 2007.
<br>It also states that the Rugby &quot;trial service&quot; will cease at the end of July, presumably to allow time to move the equipment up to Cumbria.<br>The press release is <a style="font-weight: bold;" href="http://www.wireless.org.uk/loranpress.htm">
here</a>.<br clear="all"><br>Good news for most of us.<br><br>-- <br>G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

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Alan/XAQ,
Brilliant - mni tks Alan - first rprt fm Far-East !
Sri I missed you - QRL at present but bcn on.
Dave/YXM hrg bcn on GM Rx.
Also being hrd by G3OLB, GW3MOP /DRV /LTX/ /4HXO /MW0PWK + GI's.
Rog.

----- Original Message -----=20
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I am hearing Rog/GW3UEP 439/549 beaconing on 501.50. Copy is good. We=20
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Hi Colin, Geoff and LF.

You put an enormous signal into this location today...599+. I measured -59
to -57 dBm. Jim M0BMU was also very strong....-56 dBm. I had a QSO with
Brian G3UNT but you had gone QRT by then...so...better luck next time!

Got a couple of big-ish *.WAV files if you are interested.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM Iver nr Windsor
  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of G3vtt@aol.com
  Sent: 02 June 2007 16:59
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  Subject: LF: 500 Khz Portable Results


  Good afternoon,

  A collective reply to all of your e-mail's.

  Firstly sincere thanks to all of the stations who came on, particularly
those who called but we could not hear.

  Reports were G3UNT 599plus, G3XAQ 599, MoBMU 579, G3KEV 579. Nothing heard
from Adrian G4GDR or Dave G3YMC as we had a 10 Kw broadcast station at Hoo
breaking through into our DC receiver. The receiver was an NE602 mixer
oscillator feeding an LM386 and the transmitter was a two transistor,
BC108/BFY51 driving an IRF510 with 10w output. This was link coupled, 16
turns, into a series atu using 300 turns of wire on a 1.5 inch plastic pipe
and 1000pf series tuning. Two delta kites were used to lift the wire at 45
degrees and the counterpoise was 200 feet of wire laying on the beach and
going into the Thames.

  The battery supply was an alarm system gel battery and the whole lot was
forced marched from my house down the hill and across the marsh to Egypt Bay
which is almost opposite Canvey Island in the mouth of the Thames. It is
around an hour in both directions in the blazing sun.

  Putting the wire into the river (salt water) caused the aerial current to
fall. Using the wire as a true counterpoise laying on the beach gave a
significant increase in current. We are convinced we would copy all stations
with a better receiver. Geoff G3YVF has returned to base to modify the rig.

  Thanks again, we will repeat the exercise as soon as we can.

  We saw no sign of any Ofcom inspectors despite informing the local Field
Office........

  73 all Colin G3VTT & Geoff G3YVF

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D384163620-02062007>Hi Colin, Geoff and =
LF.</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D384163620-02062007></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D384163620-02062007>You put an enormous signal into =
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then...so...better luck next time!</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D384163620-02062007>73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM Iver nr=20
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  <DIV>Good afternoon,</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>A collective reply to all of your e-mail's.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Firstly sincere thanks to all of the stations who came on, =
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Reports were G3UNT 599plus, G3XAQ 599, MoBMU 579, G3KEV 579. =
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  BC108/BFY51 driving an IRF510 with 10w output. This was link coupled, =
16=20
  turns, into a series atu using 300 turns of wire on a 1.5 inch plastic =
pipe=20
  and 1000pf series tuning. Two delta kites were used to lift the wire =
at 45=20
  degrees and the counterpoise was 200 feet of wire laying on the beach =
and=20
  going into the Thames.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>The battery supply was an alarm system gel battery and the whole =
lot was=20
  forced marched from my house down the hill and across the marsh to =
Egypt Bay=20
  which is almost opposite Canvey Island in the mouth of the Thames. It =
is=20
  around an hour in both directions in the blazing sun.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Putting the wire into the river (salt water) caused the aerial =
current to=20
  fall. Using the wire as a true counterpoise laying on the beach gave a =

  significant increase in current. We are convinced we would copy all =
stations=20
  with a better receiver. Geoff G3YVF has returned to base to modify the =

  rig.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Thanks again, we will repeat the exercise as soon as we =
can.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>We saw no sign of any Ofcom inspectors despite informing the =
local Field=20
  Office........</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>73 all Colin G3VTT &amp; Geoff=20
G3YVF</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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TA enthusiasts

Thanks for the reports on XNS. Looks like you missed my hour long key down 0000 - 0100Z when the
keying computer decided to lock up!

Running 400 watts transmitter power to a ~30 meter vertical topped with a three wire ~3 X 27 meter
tophat...about 1 watt ERP.

Jay W1VD / WD2XNS


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On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 17:33:11 -0000
"hamilton mal" <g3kev.ham@virgin.net> wrote:

> Have u given up john. Lots of msgs giving u some advice about 500,
> but you seem to have evaporated, no response.
> 73 de Mal/G3KEV
> 


Hi Mal,

Far from evaporting....

I listenend in both a 1m dia tuned loop and my 30m GP to ~500kHz last
night, both to our band and to 518kHz NAVTEX. Heard no amateur traffic,
but lots of NAVTEX. I left the decoder running over night and the
signals stopped decoding at 0600z once it was too light for any
propagation.

I spent the day today putting up a "temporary" antenna for RX purposes. 

It started out as a simple vertical, on an 8m fishing pole with no
radials. When I came into the shack I was amazed to hear you calling
CQ, but only RST229 (I misread you call as G3KEQ due to the extremely
low signal strength). 

I was too busy running in & out of the house and raising/lowering the
antenna to post on the reflector too!

Next I added 4 shortish (~10m each) radials lying along the ground. I
will try to get an couple of rods banged in when I find something
appropriate to use...

I then wound a loading inductor on an empty wine bottle (the only
decent insulator I had of an appreciable diameter) to try to remove some
of the capacity. 

My latest addition is 10m of top loading wire, making it an inverted L.

The loading inductor must be approx 400uH or so according to my
calculations and it makes a measurable difference on receive -
comparing the strength of the "NL" NDB on 404kHz with/without the
loading L shows an S point or so improvement with the L in place.

I've just been RXing NAVTEX from OST and LGD at 1800 and 1810 UTC on
518kHz and at now 1820 I'm not getting (albeit errored) NAVTEX from GPK.

I've been listening, and watching on SpectrumLab, to the whole 4kHz
chunk between 501 and 505 most of the day (when not involved with
working on the antenna or being sent to do the shopping by the XYL) and
apart from hearing you a couple of times very weakly I've heard nothing
else. I did exchange message with Colin 'VTT on the reflector to say
I was listening for him calling CQ, and I see from other postings that
there's been quite a bit of activity today, but none of it audible up
here.

This antenna is just a lashup for the weekend to get a feel for things.
I'm not even going to bother waterproofing any of the connections. Once
I'm happy that something reasonably simple can hear things then it'll
be time to invest time & effort in something more substantial (XYL needs
careful treatment when new antennas are being installed - hi!)

So - I've at least heard one station, in daylight, so perhaps it can be
made to work.

Thanks for the encouragement, sorry I'm not quite as speedy at getting
QRV as you were hoping...there's only so much time in a day!

Cheers,

John GM4SLV


-- 
G-GRP-Club 2377, QRP-ARCI 12384, SKCC 3214
Member : RSGB, ARRL
Shetland Islands (EU-012) IP90GG 
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Have u given up john. Lots of msgs giving u some advice about 500, but you
seem to have evaporated, no response.
73 de Mal/G3KEV

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> Hi gang,
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Hi John
Most stns active on 500 have been hrd in DL, PA, EA etc so you should hr
them all at ur qth.
Lsn for me on 502.5 normal CW. If convenient work xband until u get going on
500 tx.
Normal CW is usual for this band with the odd operator on qrs or beacon.

73 de Mal/G3KEV/Scarborough

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> Hi gang,
>
> I've been following the discussions and reading around on the web for
> the last few weeks, after discovering rather belatedly that OFCOM had
> started issuing permits for 500kHz.
>
> My location is well offshore in the north sea, and some considerable
> distance from the active stations in the UK. Added to this is the fact
> that at this time of year we don't get any "night" at this latitude. I
> have listened around the "band" on a few occasions (eg when I've seen
> postings indicating there's some activity) using a 1m dia tuned MF loop
> I knocked together for the purpose. I've not heard anything yet. Part of
> the problem may also be a slight deafness problem with my AR7030 which
> should soon be rectified when the replacement parts for the front end
> filter & new first mixer IC arrive from AOR. It's currently about 10dB
> less sensitive than it should be after an accident with an antenna
> splitter and in IC706 (!)
>
> I've been following the chat on the reflector, and I take it that there
> is some actual "real time CW QSO" activity and not just QRSS beacons and
> the like?
>
> I've just grabbed a copy of the cct for Jim M0BMU's CW transmitter and
> will start gathering bits together.
>
> At present my only HF antenna is a GP that was originally a 20m 1/4
> wave, with feed point 2m agl, fed against 3 sloping radials. I recently
> added 3 capacity hat wires to drop its resonance to 30m as I prefer that
> band over 20m.
>
> I guess even with some base loading it's going to be a) too short and b)
> lacking in the grounding department?
>
> I can possibly put up an inverted with the top 8m AGL and 40m long for
> TXing, as there's an old electricity pole, unused, about 45m from the
> house. There are no trees to use as supports here! I only have one
> neighbour, who's house is about 60m from mine, for about 2 miles in any
> direction, so EMC shouldn't be a problem!
>
> Does anyone have any feelings as to whether I'm too far from
> civilisation to make this worthwhile? I'm exclusively a QRP CW OP (on
> HF) but 100mW erp on 500kHz might be pushing it from this remote
> location?
>
> Regards,
>
> John GM4SLV
>
> --
> G-GRP-Club 2377, QRP-ARCI 12384, SKCC 3214
> Member : RSGB, ARRL
> Elecraft : K2 #5542 / K1 #1672
> Shetland Islands (EU-012) IP90GG
>



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Dear John, LF Group,

Well I would certainly try to work you - for a UK - only band, you are
probably the ultimate in DX!

QSOs over your kind of distance seems to be more difficult on 500k than
136k, partly because of the lower ERP limit, partly because of the more
variable propagation at this distance. I think CW is the prefered mode on
500k at the moment because it is familiar and most stations can work each
other within mainland UK once they have TX and antenna sorted out. Most of
the QSOs are fairly routine and don't get mentioned on the reflector. The
QRSS beacons from DL and SM are quite well received here, so probably
feasible for a longer distance QSO if CW fails. Several stations have QRSS
capability, which is pretty simple to set up and use if you have a PC and a
CW TX.

For the TX antenna, I would go for the long wire - height is the most
important thing as Alan says, but if you have a reasonable length of wire it
makes it easier to match the antenna and reduces losses. The trees seem to
be one of the main things that reduce antenna efficiency, so at least you
won't have that problem! The grounding is not too critical most of the time;
I have found that a number of ground rods connected together is as good as
anything, but that might be different if your ground is mostly rock.

A simple way of boosting sensitivity with a loop antenna is to make the loop
bigger - 1m diameter is a bit small for weak signal reception without a
low-noise preamp. It is easy to make a fixed wire loop of several m^2 aimed
in the general direction of interest - see
http://www.wireless.org.uk/lazy.htm - which was intended for 136kHz, but
will also work with a reduction in tuning inductance at 500k, provided the
coax is not too long.

Navtex is still on 518kHz (and 490kHz) - maybe it is just me, but there seem
to be fewer broadcasts than there used to be... still, you should not have
to wait long for a broadcast to appear on 518k at least.

Good luck - hope you get QRV soon!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU





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Hi John welcome to LF (and MF). You are, as far as I am aware, the first
"declared" 600m man in Scotland so will be very popular !! NO you are not
too far out of the centre of activity, Finbar and Mal have been heard in
Spain and in Germany at night. 100mW ERP is a bit disappointing but I am
hoping we will soon persude Ofcom that we are not an interference problem
and we will get some more.

Overhead night-time or darkness is not the problem.....you need darkness at
100km altitude at mid path, but that may not be a lot different at this time
of year.

The secret to all LF and MF aerials is the height of the vertical or
apparent vertical portion of the aerial, a shorter aerial will have a lower
Rrad so you can run more power to get your 100mW ERP. Like all LF aerials
grounding is a major job. With a poor ground it seems more of the signal is
radiated at a higher angle so restricting your range. Inverted Vs dont work
too well, it is obviously better to have the top section as near level as
possible or even rising. Once the top wire is as long as the vertical height
you gain little more in increasing Rrad, but you do get reduced ground loss
with the extra capacitance. Efficiency is not really a problem at 500k at
these power levels.

You will have no trouble loading a vertical with a base coil, it is possible
to get a good guess at the capacity and be somewhere close with a
calculation of the required inductance for resonance. Otherwise you can
winde 300 to 400 turns on a 6in length of 38mm wastepipe and peak the noise
with a bit of ferrite and then measure the inductance (and cheap LCR meter
is a boon at LF)

Always remember there is lots of experience hiding on the reflector ready to
help with suggestions to your problems....dont hesitate to ask. There are
lots of resources mainly LF but pertinent on the web, which are linked
through Dave G3YXMs site and others.

QRSS may be a bore but it can be one way of seeing how well the signal is
reaching when you are not getting any aural qsos.

Sorry to hear about the AOR 7030 problem I hope you soon get it sorted they
are nice receivers.

Best Wishes de Alan G3NYK
www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/

----- Original Message -----
From: John GM4SLV <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: LF: Getting QRV on 500kHz from Shetland?


> Hi gang,
>
> I've been following the discussions and reading around on the web for
> the last few weeks, after discovering rather belatedly that OFCOM had
> started issuing permits for 500kHz.
>
> My location is well offshore in the north sea, and some considerable
> distance from the active stations in the UK. Added to this is the fact
> that at this time of year we don't get any "night" at this latitude. I
> have listened around the "band" on a few occasions (eg when I've seen
> postings indicating there's some activity) using a 1m dia tuned MF loop
> I knocked together for the purpose. I've not heard anything yet. Part of
> the problem may also be a slight deafness problem with my AR7030 which
> should soon be rectified when the replacement parts for the front end
> filter & new first mixer IC arrive from AOR. It's currently about 10dB
> less sensitive than it should be after an accident with an antenna
> splitter and in IC706 (!)
>
> I've been following the chat on the reflector, and I take it that there
> is some actual "real time CW QSO" activity and not just QRSS beacons and
> the like?
>
> I've just grabbed a copy of the cct for Jim M0BMU's CW transmitter and
> will start gathering bits together.
>
> At present my only HF antenna is a GP that was originally a 20m 1/4
> wave, with feed point 2m agl, fed against 3 sloping radials. I recently
> added 3 capacity hat wires to drop its resonance to 30m as I prefer that
> band over 20m.
>
> I guess even with some base loading it's going to be a) too short and b)
> lacking in the grounding department?
>
> I can possibly put up an inverted with the top 8m AGL and 40m long for
> TXing, as there's an old electricity pole, unused, about 45m from the
> house. There are no trees to use as supports here! I only have one
> neighbour, who's house is about 60m from mine, for about 2 miles in any
> direction, so EMC shouldn't be a problem!
>
> Does anyone have any feelings as to whether I'm too far from
> civilisation to make this worthwhile? I'm exclusively a QRP CW OP (on
> HF) but 100mW erp on 500kHz might be pushing it from this remote
> location?
>
> Regards,
>
> John GM4SLV
>
> --
> G-GRP-Club 2377, QRP-ARCI 12384, SKCC 3214
> Member : RSGB, ARRL
> Elecraft : K2 #5542 / K1 #1672
> Shetland Islands (EU-012) IP90GG
>



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Andy ...I have looked at many dozens of tankers and container ships here in
Vancouver over the past few years and non of them have any of the
traditional inverted L's, Marconis etc that they once had. In fact I was
surprised at how quickly they all dissapeared! Likely what you saw was
rigging for lighting, flags etc.

Steve / VE7SL

Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at   http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm




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Hi Alberto, you must have got a pension increase !! The popups are not
really a problem certainly on your site, but I am always a bit suspicious of
"slime" (snail trails) left when you exit a site. I guess none of us
purchases anything from these vendors so it is probably a good deal for
amateurs. QSL has got very big and does not seem ever to delete anything,
which is good in some respects. I know of an amateur who died 4 or 5 years
ago whose web site is still available (It is very useful) It was probably
great when exeryone was on dial-up, but now everyone (but me) seems to on
high speed they expect faster service and I think that servers have been
robbed from dial up to serve broadband in some instances, because the delays
are well beyond what I normal accept.

Winrad is running fine. I must turn my attentions to Spectran and "gaps"
again soon, I think it must be a feature of interaction with the Delta 44
board. I will run it on another couple of cards soon in simplex mode.

Thanks and Best Wishes de Alan G3NYK




----- Original Message -----
From: Alberto di Bene <dibene@usa.net>
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Subject: LF: Re: 136kHz Getting started..


> Alan Melia wrote:
> >
> > Yes qsl.net is slow these days but it is a freebie so they cant afford
the
> > bandwidth I guess.  Many like Alberto of ARGO fame have mirrored their
> > sites, but then you have to put up with pop-ups and ads.
>
> Not for very long.... I have now bought some Web space free of pop-ups and
ads, together with the
> relevant DNS services (these are the responsible of the pop-ups that show
on the weaksignals site).
>
> As soon as I have some free time I will move everything to the new Web
space.
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
>
> .
>
>
>



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Hi All,

Beacon on again from about 2000z.

503.600 KHz, QRSS03, 6 wpm ID etc, sync on 5 minute intervals, 85 mW ERP.

Reports welcome.

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Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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<div>Hi All,</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Beacon on again from about 2000z.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>503.600 KHz, QRSS03, 6 wpm ID etc, sync on 5 minute intervals, 85 mW ERP.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Reports welcome.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>73<br><br>Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp </div>

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Tks Colin. =20
My bcn currently on 501.5 - just fixed severe S9 wipe-out noise fm the =
village since Friday - owners away for w/end - was saturating village =
via BT cables.
Traced to faulty BT wireless-router 200yds away - silence agn!
Will look for you on 502 later.
Rog.

----- Original Message -----=20
From: G3vtt@aol.com=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2007 5:44 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500 Khz Portable Results


Thanks Rog,

My XYL currently in Maeslyn nr Llandysul visiting her mother!!!!! Would =
love to work you on 502. Will be on tonight, thanks for the QSP

73

Colin VTT

In a message dated 03/06/2007 10:15:48 GMT Standard Time, =
500kcs@uku.co.uk writes:
    Colin, QSP fm Tom /OLB

  Also good copy from '3VTT/P using a 400' kite on a beach somewhere and =
a rather weak signal from '3KEV. Stuck 200uH in series with my 160 inv. =
L which brought it down to 500Kc/s and your beacon registering about a 3 =
or 4 on the meter.

  Rog.

  ----- Original Message -----=20


  From: G3vtt@aol.com=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 4:59 PM
  Subject: LF: 500 Khz Portable Results


  Good afternoon,

  A collective reply to all of your e-mail's.

  Firstly sincere thanks to all of the stations who came on, =
particularly those who called but we could not hear.

  Reports were G3UNT 599plus, G3XAQ 599, MoBMU 579, G3KEV 579. Nothing =
heard from Adrian G4GDR or Dave G3YMC as we had a 10 Kw broadcast =
station at Hoo breaking through into our DC receiver. The receiver was =
an NE602 mixer oscillator feeding an LM386 and the transmitter was a two =
transistor, BC108/BFY51 driving an IRF510 with 10w output. This was link =
coupled, 16 turns, into a series atu using 300 turns of wire on a 1.5 =
inch plastic pipe and 1000pf series tuning. Two delta kites were used to =
lift the wire at 45 degrees and the counterpoise was 200 feet of wire =
laying on the beach and going into the Thames.

  The battery supply was an alarm system gel battery and the whole lot =
was forced marched from my house down the hill and across the marsh to =
Egypt Bay which is almost opposite Canvey Island in the mouth of the =
Thames. It is around an hour in both directions in the blazing sun.

  Putting the wire into the river (salt water) caused the aerial current =
to fall. Using the wire as a true counterpoise laying on the beach gave =
a significant increase in current. We are convinced we would copy all =
stations with a better receiver. Geoff G3YVF has returned to base to =
modify the rig.

  Thanks again, we will repeat the exercise as soon as we can.

  We saw no sign of any Ofcom inspectors despite informing the local =
Field Office........

  73 all Colin G3VTT & Geoff G3YVF

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<DIV>My bcn currently on 501.5 - just&nbsp;fixed severe S9 wipe-out =
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<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
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<DIV>Thanks Rog,</DIV>
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<DIV>My XYL currently in Maeslyn nr Llandysul visiting her mother!!!!! =
Would=20
love to work you on 502. Will be on tonight, thanks for the QSP</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Colin VTT</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 03/06/2007 10:15:48 GMT Standard Time, <A=20
href=3D"mailto:500kcs@uku.co.uk">500kcs@uku.co.uk</A> writes:</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp; Colin,&nbsp;QSP fm&nbsp;Tom=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also good copy from '3VTT/P using a =
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  a beach somewhere and a rather weak signal from '3KEV. Stuck 200uH in =
series=20
  with my 160 inv. L which brought it down to 500Kc/s and your beacon=20
  registering about a 3 or 4 on the meter.</FONT></DIV></DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 02, 2007 =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: 500 Khz Portable=20
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  color=3D#000000 size=3D2>
  <DIV>Good afternoon,</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>A collective reply to all of your e-mail's.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Firstly sincere thanks to all of the stations who came on, =
particularly=20
  those who called but we could not hear.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Reports were G3UNT 599plus, G3XAQ 599, MoBMU 579, G3KEV 579. =
Nothing=20
  heard from Adrian G4GDR or Dave G3YMC as we had a 10 Kw broadcast =
station at=20
  Hoo breaking through into our DC receiver. The receiver was an NE602 =
mixer=20
  oscillator feeding an LM386 and the transmitter was a two transistor,=20
  BC108/BFY51 driving an IRF510 with 10w output. This was link coupled, =
16=20
  turns, into a series atu using 300 turns of wire on a 1.5 inch plastic =
pipe=20
  and 1000pf series tuning. Two delta kites were used to lift the wire =
at 45=20
  degrees and the counterpoise was 200 feet of wire laying on the beach =
and=20
  going into the Thames.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>The battery supply was an alarm system gel battery and the whole =
lot was=20
  forced marched from my house down the hill and across the marsh to =
Egypt Bay=20
  which is almost opposite Canvey Island in the mouth of the Thames. It =
is=20
  around an hour in both directions in the blazing sun.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Putting the wire into the river (salt water) caused the aerial =
current to=20
  fall. Using the wire as a true counterpoise laying on the beach gave a =

  significant increase in current. We are convinced we would copy all =
stations=20
  with a better receiver. Geoff G3YVF has returned to base to modify the =

  rig.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Thanks again, we will repeat the exercise as soon as we =
can.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>We saw no sign of any Ofcom inspectors despite informing the =
local Field=20
  Office........</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>73 all Colin G3VTT &amp; Geoff=20
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Thanks Rog,
 
My XYL currently in Maeslyn nr Llandysul visiting her mother!!!!! Would  love 
to work you on 502. Will be on tonight, thanks for the QSP
 
73
 
Colin VTT
 
In a message dated 03/06/2007 10:15:48 GMT Standard Time, 500kcs@uku.co.uk  
writes:

 
Colin, QSP fm Tom  /OLB
 
Also good copy from '3VTT/P using a 400' kite on  a beach somewhere and a 
rather weak signal from '3KEV. Stuck 200uH in series  with my 160 inv. L which 
brought it down to 500Kc/s and your beacon  registering about a 3 or 4 on the 
meter.

 
Rog.
 
----- Original Message ----- 
 
 
From:  _G3vtt@aol.com_ (mailto:G3vtt@aol.com)   
To: _rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org_ (mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org)   
Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2007 4:59  PM
Subject: LF: 500 Khz Portable  Results


Good afternoon,
 
A collective reply to all of your e-mail's.
 
Firstly sincere thanks to all of the stations who came on, particularly  
those who called but we could not hear.
 
Reports were G3UNT 599plus, G3XAQ 599, MoBMU 579, G3KEV 579. Nothing  heard 
from Adrian G4GDR or Dave G3YMC as we had a 10 Kw broadcast station at  Hoo 
breaking through into our DC receiver. The receiver was an NE602 mixer  
oscillator feeding an LM386 and the transmitter was a two transistor,  BC108/BFY51 
driving an IRF510 with 10w output. This was link coupled, 16  turns, into a series 
atu using 300 turns of wire on a 1.5 inch plastic pipe  and 1000pf series 
tuning. Two delta kites were used to lift the wire at 45  degrees and the 
counterpoise was 200 feet of wire laying on the beach and  going into the Thames.
 
The battery supply was an alarm system gel battery and the whole lot was  
forced marched from my house down the hill and across the marsh to Egypt Bay  
which is almost opposite Canvey Island in the mouth of the Thames. It is  around 
an hour in both directions in the blazing sun.
 
Putting the wire into the river (salt water) caused the aerial current to  
fall. Using the wire as a true counterpoise laying on the beach gave a  
significant increase in current. We are convinced we would copy all stations  with a 
better receiver. Geoff G3YVF has returned to base to modify the  rig.
 
Thanks again, we will repeat the exercise as soon as we can.
 
We saw no sign of any Ofcom inspectors despite informing the local Field  
Office........
 
73 all Colin G3VTT & Geoff  G3YVF



 



   

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  <DIV>A collective reply to all of your e-mail's.</DIV>
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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e=20
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=20
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>The battery supply was an alarm system gel battery and the whole lot=20=
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Thanks again, we will repeat the exercise as soon as we can.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  Colin, QSP fm Tom /OLB

Also good copy from '3VTT/P using a 400' kite on a beach somewhere and a =
rather weak signal from '3KEV. Stuck 200uH in series with my 160 inv. L =
which brought it down to 500Kc/s and your beacon registering about a 3 =
or 4 on the meter.

Rog.

----- Original Message -----=20


From: G3vtt@aol.com=20
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Subject: LF: 500 Khz Portable Results


Good afternoon,

A collective reply to all of your e-mail's.

Firstly sincere thanks to all of the stations who came on, particularly =
those who called but we could not hear.

Reports were G3UNT 599plus, G3XAQ 599, MoBMU 579, G3KEV 579. Nothing =
heard from Adrian G4GDR or Dave G3YMC as we had a 10 Kw broadcast =
station at Hoo breaking through into our DC receiver. The receiver was =
an NE602 mixer oscillator feeding an LM386 and the transmitter was a two =
transistor, BC108/BFY51 driving an IRF510 with 10w output. This was link =
coupled, 16 turns, into a series atu using 300 turns of wire on a 1.5 =
inch plastic pipe and 1000pf series tuning. Two delta kites were used to =
lift the wire at 45 degrees and the counterpoise was 200 feet of wire =
laying on the beach and going into the Thames.

The battery supply was an alarm system gel battery and the whole lot was =
forced marched from my house down the hill and across the marsh to Egypt =
Bay which is almost opposite Canvey Island in the mouth of the Thames. =
It is around an hour in both directions in the blazing sun.

Putting the wire into the river (salt water) caused the aerial current =
to fall. Using the wire as a true counterpoise laying on the beach gave =
a significant increase in current. We are convinced we would copy all =
stations with a better receiver. Geoff G3YVF has returned to base to =
modify the rig.

Thanks again, we will repeat the exercise as soon as we can.

We saw no sign of any Ofcom inspectors despite informing the local Field =
Office........

73 all Colin G3VTT & Geoff G3YVF
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also good copy from '3VTT/P using a =
400' kite on a=20
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series with=20
my 160 inv. L which brought it down to 500Kc/s and your beacon =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Rog.</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<DIV=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, June 02, 2007 =
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Results</DIV>
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<DIV>Good afternoon,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>A collective reply to all of your e-mail's.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Firstly sincere thanks to all of the stations who came on, =
particularly=20
those who called but we could not hear.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Reports were G3UNT 599plus, G3XAQ 599, MoBMU 579, G3KEV 579. =
Nothing heard=20
from Adrian G4GDR or Dave G3YMC as we had a 10 Kw broadcast station at =
Hoo=20
breaking through into our DC receiver. The receiver was an NE602 mixer=20
oscillator feeding an LM386 and the transmitter was a two transistor,=20
BC108/BFY51 driving an IRF510 with 10w output. This was link coupled, 16 =
turns,=20
into a series atu using 300 turns of wire on a 1.5 inch plastic pipe and =
1000pf=20
series tuning. Two delta kites were used to lift the wire at 45 degrees =
and the=20
counterpoise was 200 feet of wire laying on the beach and going into the =

Thames.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The battery supply was an alarm system gel battery and the whole =
lot was=20
forced marched from my house down the hill and across the marsh to Egypt =
Bay=20
which is almost opposite Canvey Island in the mouth of the Thames. It is =
around=20
an hour in both directions in the blazing sun.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Putting the wire into the river (salt water) caused the aerial =
current to=20
fall. Using the wire as a true counterpoise laying on the beach gave a=20
significant increase in current. We are convinced we would copy all =
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with a better receiver. Geoff G3YVF has returned to base to modify the=20
rig.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Thanks again, we will repeat the exercise as soon as we can.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>We saw no sign of any Ofcom inspectors despite informing the local =
Field=20
Office........</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 all Colin G3VTT &amp; Geoff =
G3YVF</DIV></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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Dave

I have had ADSL filters and modems fail. Even a passive device will fail 
given a high enough level of static build-up on the lines - I guess it's a 
capacitor breaking down. After my third modem failure, I built my own 
phone-line protector box with some chunky transient suppressor VDRs.

73
Tom G3OLB

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Alan, those sorts of problems are certainly due to dodgey switch mode
> psus in equipment and fairly common. You and Mike should be looking
> in that direction and not blaming ADSL. I would not expect problems
> from ADSL as it is a balanced system and should not radiate very far
> at all. You would only get any radiation if there is a dodgey
> telephone connection somewhere, say in the overhead lines, where the
> twin pairs have been accidentally split between two separate pairs so
> the two lines do not run parallel - very rare but has been known to
> happen. It most certainly will not be a dodgey ADSL filter as the
> broadband signal is not filtered at all in those, only the telephone
> side is filtered (and I doubt whether they ever fail despite all the
> suggestions to change them when you have a fault, as passive devices
> there is nothing inside them to fail...).
>
> So look very seriously at those smpsu's, wallwarts etc.
>
> 73 Dave G3YMC
>
> http://www.davesergeant.com
>
> 



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On 17 Jun 2007 at 22:14, Alan Melia wrote:

> I have neighbours either side with broadband and I am not aware of any
> problems on 500k, but what I did notice was a horrendous noise in the
> middle of the band when the video recorder was sitting on timed record
> and the TV was switched to AV. I often do this to avoid missing
> programs or missing them due to a phone call in the middle. It would
> seem that whilst not receiving a signal, but producing a raster (blank
> screen with an "AV" legend) there is a large comb of frequencies at
> about 502. I am guessing that without a signal to lock it, the line
> oscillator free-runs a little above 15.625kHz. Putting my TV on
> standby or OFF kills the noise.

Alan, those sorts of problems are certainly due to dodgey switch mode 
psus in equipment and fairly common. You and Mike should be looking 
in that direction and not blaming ADSL. I would not expect problems 
from ADSL as it is a balanced system and should not radiate very far 
at all. You would only get any radiation if there is a dodgey 
telephone connection somewhere, say in the overhead lines, where the 
twin pairs have been accidentally split between two separate pairs so 
the two lines do not run parallel - very rare but has been known to 
happen. It most certainly will not be a dodgey ADSL filter as the 
broadband signal is not filtered at all in those, only the telephone 
side is filtered (and I doubt whether they ever fail despite all the 
suggestions to change them when you have a fault, as passive devices 
there is nothing inside them to fail...).

So look very seriously at those smpsu's, wallwarts etc.

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com



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Hi I am interested in all the comments. Like me Mike being rural probably
has an overhead "drop". He describes the ADSL as running "all round the
house". His sons run a business from the premises and I think the problem is
more likely to be network cables and servers which are running 24/7. He says
the QRM definitely peaks from the house on his loop but is so wide spread it
cannot be completely nulled, which suggests an extended source. It may be of
course he has a duff ADSL filter, I have heard of that happening.

I have neighbours either side with broadband and I am not aware of any
problems on 500k, but what I did notice was a horrendous noise in the middle
of the band when the video recorder was sitting on timed record and the TV
was switched to AV. I often do this to avoid missing programs or missing
them due to a phone call in the middle. It would seem that whilst not
receiving a signal, but producing a raster (blank screen with an "AV"
legend) there is a large comb of frequencies at about 502. I am guessing
that without a signal to lock it, the line oscillator free-runs a little
above 15.625kHz. Putting my TV on standby or OFF kills the noise.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK




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I am hearing Rog/GW3UEP 439/549 beaconing on 501.50. Copy is good. We 
could probably make a QSO if QRN is also low in Wales?
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Good morning Joe and the list,=20

Unfortunately nothing from VO1NA this night.
A very hight level of QRN, about 30 dB more than normal.
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On 5 Jun 2007 at 15:21, Gary - G4WGT wrote:

> Hi Dave & LF,
> 
> I like the web page.

It is actually not webspace, just blogosphere, courtesy of the Opera 
forums. Convenient place to put files such as these, even though the 
URL is a bit long... I hope to have some 500kHz pages on my own site 
in due course, including the TX circuits.

> 
> Had a listen to the recordings & the only signal I have heard that
> comes anywhere near is Mal G3KEV, he has been my only solid copy. In
> fact I could hear more on 136 than I can on 500, even near Eupope was
> audible.
> 
> I am using the same receiver so something is not right !! got to be
> the antenna ??

You of course are a bit more north than most of the activity, so I 
would expect you to hear things a bit weaker in the day. But I hear 
GI3PDN and GI4DPI well at night and also SM6BHZ when he is on, not 
had chance to do a recording of them yet. I have suspected though for 
a little while that some people need to do work on their 
receivers/antennas, and that is the purpose of posting these 
recordings - and to show you don't need QRSS to hear stuff in this 
neck of the woods!

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com



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Hi Dave & LF,

I like the web page.

Had a listen to the recordings & the only signal I have heard that comes 
anywhere near is Mal G3KEV, he has been my only solid copy. In fact I could 
hear more on 136 than I can on 500, even near Eupope was audible.

I am using the same receiver so something is not right !! got to be the 
antenna ??

I will keep trying.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp



----- Original Message ----- 

 In view of the fact that I seem to be hearing stations many times
 better than they are receiving me at the moment (!) I have started to
 make short audio recordings of stations on the band to give you all
 an idea of my receiver performance. You will find these at:
 http://my.opera.com/davews/blog/2007/06/05/500khz-recordings



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Dave
Was that you calling 'KEV last evening? Somebody weak and I thought I heard 
your call-sign (which I could never do on 136!)

73
Tom G3OLB

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Sergeant" <dave@davesergeant.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2007 8:40 AM
Subject: LF: [500]500kHz recordings


> In view of the fact that I seem to be hearing stations many times
> better than they are receiving me at the moment (!) I have started to
> make short audio recordings of stations on the band to give you all
> an idea of my receiver performance. You will find these at:
> http://my.opera.com/davews/blog/2007/06/05/500khz-recordings
>
> At the moment there are only G3KEV, G3UNT, G3VTT and G3XIZ there, but
> I will add to it from time to time until most of the active stations
> are there. (if anybody does NOT want to be there, please let me know
> and I will remove them).
>
> It is difficult to indicate actually signal strength from an audio
> recording. Most of the above were s8-s9 on the meter and you will see
> that the signal to noise ratio is excellent with all of them way
> above the noise.
>
> Hope this is of interest.
>
> By the way I noticed that GW3UEP was to be on the band this morning
> from 0545 local. By the time I had seen his email it was already 0640
> and I heard nothing of him on 502.0. I don't think I have heard Roger
> yet, but that sort of time is rather early even for me!
>
> 73 Dave G3YMC
>
> http://www.davesergeant.com
>
> 



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Last night very good copy of VO1NA

the captures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

































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nice capture joe
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Updated my website http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm with captures of
the past nights: M0DTS (27th), UA4WPF (26th), VO1NA (27th and 28th),
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Many thanks for the report Victor.

G3OLB is beaconing on about 502.8 kHz.
He is solid 549 ( 7 db uV) here in IO 92 UB
A CW QSO is easily possible.

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Many thanks for the report Victor.<br><br>G3OLB is beaconing on about 502.8 kHz.<br>He is solid 549 ( 7 db uV) here in IO 92 UB<br>A CW QSO is easily possible.<br><br>73 Chris G3XIZ<br> <p>&#32;
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nice signal g3unt
15:10 utc
henny pa3cpm
jo22mb
best 73.
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I have made enquiries about this, in the light of a recent posting.  My=
 contact points out that P&O doesn't own P&O Cruises any more (they are=
 part of the American group Carnival) but a further enquiry produced the=
 answer that Cruises no longer have equipment for 500 kHz.

P&O Ferries (whom P&O do still own) discontinued 500kHz after the=
 introduction of GMDSS.

Regards,
John F5VLF/G3PAI






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Last night very good copy of VO1NA

the captures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

































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Nice beacon sig from Gary, also G0NBD Wallasey 502.500
G3TFR Stockport

> 
> 503.600 KHz, QRSS03, 6 wpm ID etc, sync on 5 minute intervals, 85 mW ERP.
> 
> Reports welcome.
> 
> 73
> 
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>


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Thanks, Victor.

Nice capture. I'm doing some antenna tests. RF power is 200W, with an
antenna current of about 1,8A

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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73
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In message <2FDOP7D5OXYGFwUq@g3xaq.demon.co.uk>, Alan Ibbetson 
<alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk> writes
>I have moved the loading coil on my inverted-L from near the far end to 
>the top of the vertical. I need less coil for resonance now, actually 
>rather less than a simple 6pF/m of horizontal loading wire would 
>predict. The loading coil is about 1m underneath my 40m yagi and I'm 
>suspicious that the yagi and the HF array above it are adding extra 
>capacitive loading. Given that the tower sections are not explicitly 
>bonded together and the safety earth is not directly joined to my RF 
>earth, I'm not convinced I have made things better. My next job is to 
>see if the loss resistance has gone up or down. The SWR has certainly 
>changed so the loss isn't near 50 ohms any more.

I made up a 3:2 turns ratio transformer using a ferrite loaded trifilar 
winding. Putting a 22 ohm resistor across 2 windings and looking into 
all 3 gives a good 50 ohm match (return loss 30dB), so the transformer 
works OK.

I put this transformer at the base of my inverted-L with the loading 
coil at the top of the vertical as described above. The return loss is 
22dB, suggesting a probable aerial input resistance of around 25 ohms. 
This is exactly half the value I had before, when I had the loading coil 
30m out along the horizontal section of the aerial, so my pessimism 
appears unfounded. Perhaps Laurie's "footprint" theory explains the 
improvement? I'm not sure.

What I am completely puzzled by is the short length of horizontal wire 
needed to bring the aerial (or rather its loading coil) to resonance. I 
have 15m of vertical. I started with 44.7m of horizontal wire and, at 
6pF/m, calculated I needed a 375 uH loading coil. I made the coil and 
both calculation using an oft-quoted empirical formula and direct 
measurement with a Peak LCR40 agree that the coil is the expected 
inductance.

Here is the puzzle. I actually only needed 36.5m of horizontal wire for 
resonance at 502.0KHz. That's about 50pF less than predicted. I know 
that the HF aerials are only a metre or two away from the coil and will 
probably add some capacitance, but 50pF? That seems hard to believe.

If I align the 40m beam parallel to the 500K horizontal wire it shifts 
the 500K resonance LF by only 1KHz relative to orienting it at 90 
degrees to the wire. The change in horizontal wire length from 44.7 to 
36.5m corresponded to a much greater frequency shift - about 35KHz if I 
remember correctly.

Can anyone shed light on this for me please?
-- 

Thanks,

Alan G3XAQ
alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk



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*
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Hi everyone,

Just in case you didn't receive this directly from Lars SM6NM :

The annual transmission on "Alexanderson Day" with the Alexanderson 
alternator on VLF *17,2 kHz* will take place *Sunday July 1st 2007* at 
*09:00 UTC* (tuning up from 08:15 UTC) and will be repeated at *13:00 
UTC* (tuning up from 12:15 UTC).

(more info on www.alexander.n.se <http://www.alexander.n.se/>, they will 
be active with *SK6SAQ, too)


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Jean-Pierre, Dave, Victor,

As always, thanks for the reports. The antenna current was the usual 16 
amperes last night, so the weaker signal was clearly Alan's fault. <g>

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES



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The super signal of Joe a little abused the signals of John this night! VO1NA was visible more 
than one hour after the sun survey (beautiful performance for June! ) if I had the same station 
that Joe , the qso will be possible every night in this moment!....

the captures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

































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Jean-Pierre, J.B.,

Thanks for the reports. Conditions are good, if the static permits.

John Andrews




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Last night good copy of WD2XES

the captures of night are at :
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73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

































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Thanks for trying Dave. I'm going to have to get a bit more power and try  to 
improve the aerial.  Although I have a fair amount of copper in the  ground 
my garden is on a steeply sloping site surrounded by very tall  trees, and my 
aerial, a 40m doublet with feeders strapped as a  'T', is lost from view in 
dense foliage throughout the summer months.  May have to wait till the autumn to 
get some improvement.
 
73 Peter
 
In a message dated 27/06/2007 22:40:59 Greenwich Standard Time,  
ganymede444@btopenworld.com writes:

Nope....but I did look with both Argo and  Spectran.
 
3515/7 = 502.14 kHz, so that is where I  centred my search, but I did tune up 
and down a bit.
 
Try again later!
 
73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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I guess no one has heard my tiny signal. Now it is time to qrt so good  night 
to all.
 
73 Peter




 



   

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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D804113722-27062007>3515/7 =3D 502.14 kHz, so that is wh=
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D804113722-27062007></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D804113722-27062007>Try again later!</SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D804113722-27062007></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D804113722-27062007>73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM</SPAN></DIV>
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    <DIV>I guess no one has heard my tiny signal. Now it is time to qrt so g=
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Nope....but I did look with both Argo and Spectran.

3515/7 = 502.14 kHz, so that is where I centred my search, but I did tune up
and down a bit.

Try again later!

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
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  I guess no one has heard my tiny signal. Now it is time to qrt so good
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  73 Peter

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Zitat von henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>:

> nice signal di2be
> 16:10 utc
> jo22mb
> henny pa3cpm
> best 73

Hi Henni,
thanks. hopefully I did find the fault causing the transmission of spikes
instead of Morse signs the day before yesterday.
best regrads
Uwe/dj8wx/di2be/jo43sv



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nice signal di2be
16:10 utc
jo22mb
henny pa3cpm
best 73
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On 28 Jun 2007 at 23:31, Alan Melia wrote:

> Hi all, Jim's tx circuit diagram and the message where he announced it
> are now mounted on my web site, The URL below will take you straight
> to it, but it is also indexed in the contents under Jims loop aerial
> article
> 
> http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/500k_TX.htm
> 
> I have checked it and it works OK for me but if you have problems
> please mail me (It won't be the first or last time I have screwed up
> the links on my pages !!)
> 
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> 

Now added to my links list at 
http://www.davesergeant.com/mf/activity.htm
and checked as working from there.

Nothing wrong with that part of the page Alan but I noticed that some 
of the links in your 'Technical Ideas and Current Projects' section 
on your home page show in black text and not highlighted blue. You 
seem to have got your <font> and </font> tags in a twist and the 
<li></li> ones seem a bit strange as well. The joys of <HTML>....

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com



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Hi all, Jim's tx circuit diagram and the message where he announced it are
now mounted on my web site, The URL below will take you straight to it, but
it is also indexed in the contents under Jims loop aerial article

http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/500k_TX.htm

I have checked it and it works OK for me but if you have problems please
mail me (It won't be the first or last time I have screwed up the links on
my pages !!)

Cheers de Alan G3NYK




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Anyone confirm a station on this frequency at the moment, looks like 
dfcw maybe?
Cant make out the id...

It's the first station i have seen!

Thanks

Rob


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Zitat von Victor van Kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>:

> Captured 20:34z
>
> 73
> Victor

Hi Victor,
thanks agn. yesterday I had to stop the transmission because the transmitted
signs suddenly changed into spikes. I couldnt find the fault yet.
best regards
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Last night very good copy of VO1NA

the captures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

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 Very interesting experiment, Jim.
Did you try checking the coil output with it positioned alnogside one 
of the trees, as opposed to actually wrapped around it?(i.e. wrapped 
round an imaginary tree trunk right next to the real one)
 I used Rogowski coils quite a lot, back when I was routinely 
measuring longitudinal noise currents in multi-core cables and cable 
sheaths etc-very useful devices. We made ours up using some special 
coaxial delay line cable we got in from the USA. It was rather 
expensive stuff back then.  They (Rogowski coils) are readily 
available commercially these days, so it's easier to go out and just 
buy one. Good to hear you did the homebrew thing successfully though. 
It certainly would have been cheaper than buying one!
73
 Dave, ZL3FJ



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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> Dear LF Group,
>
> It has often been said that trees surrounding an LF vertical antenna 
> can be
> responsible for a substantial proportion of  the antenna loss, and 
> at my
> QTH there are several trees that have gradually been getting bigger 
> over the
> years, so I decided to try to measure how much RF current was 
> actually
> flowing in some trees.
>
> To measure the tree current, I used a Rogowski coil - this is like a
> toroidal RF current transformer, but without the magnetic core; 
> instead of
> measuring the secondary current, the open-circuit voltage across the
> secondary is measured, and is proportional to the total current 
> flowing
> through the area enclosed by  the coil, the number of turns, the 
> area of
> each turn, and the frequency. My Rogowski coil used 1.2m of rubber 
> hose as a
> former, with about 500 turns of insulated wire, and had a scale 
> factor of
> around 100mV out = 1A in. I measured the voltage with a SPM-3 
> selective
> voltmeter. The advantage of this type of current sensor is that the 
> loop of
> flexible hose former can be made large enough to fit round a tree, 
> and can
> be opened out, wrapped round the tree to be measured, and closed up 
> again. A
> practical difficulty is that the output is quite small compared to a 
> normal
> current transformer, and an aluminium foil electrostatic shield had 
> to be
> added in order to reduce the effect of pick-up of the intense 
> E-field
> directly under the antenna. This did not entirely eliminate the 
> problem, but
> reduced it to a reasonable level.
>
> I measured the current near ground level in the trunks of 8 trees - 
> these
> are scattered around within about 10m horizontally of the antenna, 
> with
> heights of about 5 - 10m (antenna height is around 9 - 11m). With an 
> antenna
> current around 4A, the currents ranged from 50mA to 190mA, with the 
> total
> for the 8 trees being 930mA. Generally, trees closer to the antenna 
> and with
> bigger areas of foliage had higher currents, as you would expect.
>
> The 8 measured are only a sample of the small trees and large bushes 
> in and
> around my garden, also at about 20 - 40m distance there are larger 
> trees all
> around my QTH as well. So it seems likely that a large fraction of 
> the
> electric flux of the antenna is intercepted by a tree at some point, 
> and a
> substantial proportion of the total antenna current is flowing to 
> ground
> through trees. Since wood is a poor conductor, it is not surprising 
> that
> trees close to the antenna increase the loss resistance. But also, 
> current
> flowing vertically in the trees will contribute to the overall 
> radiation of
> the antenna. However, since a current flowing "up" the antenna will 
> be
> flowing "down" the tree, and the spacing of tree and antenna is a 
> very small
> fraction of a wavelength, the effect of the tree current will be to 
> partly
> cancel the overall radiation, and so reduce  the radiation 
> resistance. If
> the current flowing in the trees is a large fraction of the total 
> antenna
> current, and the height of the trees is comparable with the antenna 
> height,
> one could expect a substantial reduction in radiation resistance and
> effective height of the antenna, as the field strength measurements 
> I made
> last week would seem to indicate.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
>
>
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Hi Jim,
What an interesting experiment, and illuminating, although it told us what 
we already suspected, that lush foliage makes a nice garden, but rather 
spoils RF performance.

I have not come across the Rogowski coil before - does it work both ways - 
that is ,can you induce RF current into a tree trunk by applying an RF 
voltage to the coil ? Probably not very efficient, but you can probably see 
where I'm going with it !

The Rogowski coil seems to be rather like the signal clamps used to measure 
currents in power cables without actually connecting to them - but without 
the iron core.
Hugh M0WYE





----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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Subject: LF: Tree current


> Dear LF Group,
>
> It has often been said that trees surrounding an LF vertical antenna can 
> be
> responsible for a substantial proportion of  the antenna loss, and  at my
> QTH there are several trees that have gradually been getting bigger over 
> the
> years, so I decided to try to measure how much RF current was actually
> flowing in some trees.
>
> To measure the tree current, I used a Rogowski coil - this is like a
> toroidal RF current transformer, but without the magnetic core; instead of
> measuring the secondary current, the open-circuit voltage across the
> secondary is measured, and is proportional to the total current flowing
> through the area enclosed by  the coil, the number of turns, the area of
> each turn, and the frequency. My Rogowski coil used 1.2m of rubber hose as 
> a
> former, with about 500 turns of insulated wire, and had a scale factor of
> around 100mV out = 1A in. I measured the voltage with a SPM-3 selective
> voltmeter. The advantage of this type of current sensor is that the loop 
> of
> flexible hose former can be made large enough to fit round a tree, and can
> be opened out, wrapped round the tree to be measured, and closed up again. 
> A
> practical difficulty is that the output is quite small compared to a 
> normal
> current transformer, and an aluminium foil electrostatic shield had to be
> added in order to reduce the effect of pick-up of the intense E-field
> directly under the antenna. This did not entirely eliminate the problem, 
> but
> reduced it to a reasonable level.
>
> I measured the current near ground level in the trunks of 8 trees - these
> are scattered around within about 10m horizontally of the antenna, with
> heights of about 5 - 10m (antenna height is around 9 - 11m). With an 
> antenna
> current around 4A, the currents ranged from 50mA to 190mA, with the total
> for the 8 trees being 930mA. Generally, trees closer to the antenna and 
> with
> bigger areas of foliage had higher currents, as you would expect.
>
> The 8 measured are only a sample of the small trees and large bushes in 
> and
> around my garden, also at about 20 - 40m distance there are larger trees 
> all
> around my QTH as well. So it seems likely that a large fraction of the
> electric flux of the antenna is intercepted by a tree at some point, and a
> substantial proportion of the total antenna current is flowing to ground
> through trees. Since wood is a poor conductor, it is not surprising that
> trees close to the antenna increase the loss resistance. But also, current
> flowing vertically in the trees will contribute to the overall radiation 
> of
> the antenna. However, since a current flowing "up" the antenna will be
> flowing "down" the tree, and the spacing of tree and antenna is a very 
> small
> fraction of a wavelength, the effect of the tree current will be to partly
> cancel the overall radiation, and so reduce  the radiation resistance. If
> the current flowing in the trees is a large fraction of the total antenna
> current, and the height of the trees is comparable with the antenna 
> height,
> one could expect a substantial reduction in radiation resistance and
> effective height of the antenna, as the field strength measurements I made
> last week would seem to indicate.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>
> 



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Tom,

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
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font-family:Arial'>Nice to hear you agn after long =
time.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Wales</st1:place>.&nbsp;
Perfectly readable on a quiet band.&nbsp; About 50% sea path and =
<st1:place
w:st=3D"on">Dartmoor</st1:place> in =
between.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Hi Mal,

I've worked around aircraft off and on since the early seventy's
and one of the wheel/rim configurations that seems common is
a two piece arrangement.  That is, the wheel/rim is made up of
two halves which sandwich together through the centre hole of
the tyre.  You'll likely find an O-ring between the two halves,
as part of making it pressure-tight, and around six to eight
through bolts clamping the halves together.  Good luck!

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

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Hi Rog & LF,

You wrote :-
"Emails have been lost due to spam attack."

Looks like it could be widespread as my ISP has had the same problem & I 
have not been able to send e-mails for a couple of weeks.

They wrote :-

"Email service update
A number of customers have reported that emails sent from their Tiscali 
email accounts have not been received.

We have identified that the issue was caused by spammers abusing our email 
service, and it has been our highest priority to resolve this. We believe 
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I have been notified the problem is now resolved.

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens James Moritz
Verzonden: vrijdag 8 juni 2007 20:27
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: 136kHz tests


Dear LF Group,

I am currently  (2026 utc) running a test beacon on 136.320kHz (CW
identifier, followed by DFCW identifier, repeating every few minutes) -
probably for the next few hours, if the thunderstorms hold off. It's
primarily for my own tests, but any other reports would be welcome.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Added screenshots of G3WCB and VO1NA to my website:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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Here only weak traces, QRN

Dmitry

Jean-Pierre M�r� wrote:

> Hello Dmitry,
> Nothing here for me , many QRN !
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
>
> Dmitry a �crit :
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>> Hi LF's
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>> Dmitry
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Hello Dmitry,
Nothing here for me , many QRN !
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

Dmitry a =E9crit :
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> Dmitry
>
>
>
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15./06/2007   2225z

Good night Dmitry, Igor and all,

 Nothing for this time here in JN09tt.
A lot QRN, but the night just fall,let us wait!

73: Jeff/ F6CWN


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> Looking -
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> Laurence
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> 9V1LF Singapore
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Looking -

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9V1LF Singapore


>From: Dmitry <ra3yo@mail.ru>
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Hi LF's

Igor UA9CS run beacon today from 18 utc qrss30-qrss60 frq:137.779.6

Dmitry



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Good afternoon,
 
A collective reply to all of your e-mail's.
 
Firstly sincere thanks to all of the stations who came on, particularly  
those who called but we could not hear.
 
Reports were G3UNT 599plus, G3XAQ 599, MoBMU 579, G3KEV 579. Nothing heard  
from Adrian G4GDR or Dave G3YMC as we had a 10 Kw broadcast station at Hoo  
breaking through into our DC receiver. The receiver was an NE602 mixer  
oscillator feeding an LM386 and the transmitter was a two transistor,  BC108/BFY51 
driving an IRF510 with 10w output. This was link coupled, 16 turns,  into a series 
atu using 300 turns of wire on a 1.5 inch plastic pipe and 1000pf  series 
tuning. Two delta kites were used to lift the wire at 45 degrees and the  
counterpoise was 200 feet of wire laying on the beach and going into the  Thames.
 
The battery supply was an alarm system gel battery and the whole lot was  
forced marched from my house down the hill and across the marsh to Egypt Bay  
which is almost opposite Canvey Island in the mouth of the Thames. It is around  
an hour in both directions in the blazing sun.
 
Putting the wire into the river (salt water) caused the aerial current to  
fall. Using the wire as a true counterpoise laying on the beach gave a  
significant increase in current. We are convinced we would copy all stations  with a 
better receiver. Geoff G3YVF has returned to base to modify the  rig.
 
Thanks again, we will repeat the exercise as soon as we can.
 
We saw no sign of any Ofcom inspectors despite informing the local Field  
Office........
 
73 all Colin G3VTT & Geoff G3YVF



   

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On the 18th June Dave ZL3FJ wrote--

Subject: LF: Re: Broad band QRM-500khz

Is the Panasonic system capable of being operated from an external
battery supply? A lot of the modern ones can use a backup battery but
are not designed to operate from an external DC source. But if it CAN
operate from an external DC supply then you could try that-your DC
supply may be a lot cleaner than the mains operated one in the system
itself.
But it may not  be the power supply. Switching garbage (internal
processors etc) could be getting out via the copper extension and
trunk cabling.

This is more of a challenge.  Does the Panasonic system have external
trunks or is it purely an internal system? If you can easily
disconnect all the internal extensions and reconnect one by one,
(listening for noise increase) you may get a better idea of the
coupling mechanism. You need to try disconnecting the trunks as well
if it has any.

The printer supply should probably be replaced with a quiet one-wont
be difficult unless it is providing multiple output voltages.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Many thanks for your comments Dave.
We have not yet had an opportunity to open up the equipment.
It does not appear to operate with an internal battery because it becomes
inoperative when the mains are removed.
It does have an external trunk. It provides up to 6 incoming lines and up to
20 internal extensions ie.PABX
Will do what you suggest and report back.
Thanks again

Best regards

Mike  GW4HXO.





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The GW4HXO beacon is presently 549 in IO92UB
A cw QSO is easily possible.
Maybe try one evening ?

There was a signal repeating two closely spaced dashes
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The direction seemed generally E-W of me and with deep QSB.
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The GW4HXO beacon is presently 549 in IO92UB<br>A cw QSO is easily possible.<br>Maybe try one evening ?<br><br>There was a signal repeating two closely spaced dashes<br>on 501.47 kHz tonight.<br>The direction seemed generally E-W of me and with deep QSB.<br>Any offers ?<br><br>73 Chris G3XIZ<br><p>&#32;
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 Hi Victor, Henny
Thanks for report
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Captured RA3YO 23:30z 137777.8
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73
Victor
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GM Colin!
Very interesting intention to use a kite for 500kHz antenna. I am
listening on 502kHz, but I think I won=B4t be able to catch your signal =
in
the midday.
But I try to do it.
73 =20
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Hi All,
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As I mentioned to one or two I am planning a trip to the beach today to
try portable 502 Khz. I am not hopeful that there will be enough wind
for the kite but intend to hike the 3 miles with Geoff G3YVF and his
'IRF510' tcvr anyway.
=20
Ofcom have been informed so that if one of the 'roving Ofcom inspection
teams' turn up we can greet them in the traditional manner. Our location
is Egypt Bay North Kent if anybody wants to join us!
=20
If any of you are still active on the band please keep an ear cocked,
certainly at midday, wind permitting.
=20
73
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portable
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but
intend to hike the 3 miles with Geoff G3YVF and his 'IRF510' tcvr =
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Hello the list,

    I have in the past used my 160 meter dipole as a vertical "T" by tying the feeders together and using a tapped loading coil to resonate and match the antenna. I could get a perfect 50 ohm match in this manner and it radiated quite well - Hartmut copied my transmission running around 100 watts. I have also used the same setup on 500kHz with a different loading coil successfully.

   Now I find that I cannot resonate the antenna - I can't eliminate the reactance no matter what the setting of the tap or the coil. The best I can do is an swr of 1.7:1 and at least 40 ohms of reactance. I have tried changing coils and still the problem persists.  If I do transmit this way, my signal seems to be down at least 10dB below what it was when the antenna resonated properly. Any thoughts?


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>From Peter G3JFS in Plymouth, IO70WJ
 
Hi all,
I heard someone calling cq on 502.68 about 15 mins ago but the signal was  
just too weak to copy through the high static level - possibly G0???  No  other 
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Hi John & LF,

I am waiting for the roofers to replace my garage roof then I can re-errect 
the LF/MF vertical, so I will soon be beaconing again & later normal morse. 
I am located in Lancashire so I will be one of the 3 nearest stations. Good 
luck with your attempt at 500.

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 Once I've managed to receive some signals from other amateurs I'll look
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Hi John,
When you are ready let me know and I will transmit.Running full 100mW here
Ant inv V
13m vert, 200m top.
Navtex still active several stations in various locations you should hear
some of them.
73 Laurie.

On 29/06/07, John GM4SLV <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> On Fri, 29 Jun 2007, lawrence mayhead wrote:
>
> > John says..............."100mW erp on 500kHz might be pushing from this
> > remote location"
> > Yes I agree, but it would be a challenge, so worthwhile in my opinion.
> > Laurie G3AQC
> > Chichester on the south coast, so could'nt be much further away !
> >
>
> Hello Laurie,
>
> No, you're right!
>
> A challenge is what it will be, this is experimental radio after all,
> and I'm winding myself up to get involved. I just love the idea of
> keeping 500kHz alive with hand keyed CW.
>
> Will try to get a pre-amp built for the RX loop over the weekend. I
> suppose a first test would be if I can RX any NAVTEX (is it still on
> 518kHz?).
>
> Once I've managed to receive some signals from other amateurs I'll look
> at applying for the NOV.
>
> Cheers,
>
> John GM4SLV
>
>

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Hi John,<br>When you are ready let me know and I will transmit.Running full 100mW here Ant inv V<br>13m vert, 200m top.<br>Navtex still active several stations in various locations you should hear some of them.<br>73 Laurie.
<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 29/06/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">John GM4SLV</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk">gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Fri, 29 Jun 2007, lawrence mayhead wrote:<br><br>&gt; John says...............&quot;100mW erp on 500kHz might be pushing from this<br>&gt; remote location&quot;<br>&gt; Yes I agree, but it would be a challenge, so worthwhile in my opinion.
<br>&gt; Laurie G3AQC<br>&gt; Chichester on the south coast, so could&#39;nt be much further away !<br>&gt;<br><br>Hello Laurie,<br><br>No, you&#39;re right!<br><br>A challenge is what it will be, this is experimental radio after all,
<br>and I&#39;m winding myself up to get involved. I just love the idea of<br>keeping 500kHz alive with hand keyed CW.<br><br>Will try to get a pre-amp built for the RX loop over the weekend. I<br>suppose a first test would be if I can RX any NAVTEX (is it still on
<br>518kHz?).<br><br>Once I&#39;ve managed to receive some signals from other amateurs I&#39;ll look<br>at applying for the NOV.<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>John GM4SLV<br><br></blockquote></div><br>

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On Fri, 29 Jun 2007, lawrence mayhead wrote:

> John says..............."100mW erp on 500kHz might be pushing from this
> remote location"
> Yes I agree, but it would be a challenge, so worthwhile in my opinion.
> Laurie G3AQC
> Chichester on the south coast, so could'nt be much further away !
> 

Hello Laurie,

No, you're right! 

A challenge is what it will be, this is experimental radio after all, 
and I'm winding myself up to get involved. I just love the idea of 
keeping 500kHz alive with hand keyed CW.

Will try to get a pre-amp built for the RX loop over the weekend. I 
suppose a first test would be if I can RX any NAVTEX (is it still on 
518kHz?).

Once I've managed to receive some signals from other amateurs I'll look 
at applying for the NOV. 

Cheers,

John GM4SLV


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John says..............."100mW erp on 500kHz might be pushing from this
remote location"
Yes I agree, but it would be a challenge, so worthwhile in my opinion.
Laurie G3AQC
Chichester on the south coast, so could'nt be much further away !

On 29/06/07, John GM4SLV <gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk> wrote:
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> Hi gang,
>
> I've been following the discussions and reading around on the web for
> the last few weeks, after discovering rather belatedly that OFCOM had
> started issuing permits for 500kHz.
>
> My location is well offshore in the north sea, and some considerable
> distance from the active stations in the UK. Added to this is the fact
> that at this time of year we don't get any "night" at this latitude. I
> have listened around the "band" on a few occasions (eg when I've seen
> postings indicating there's some activity) using a 1m dia tuned MF loop
> I knocked together for the purpose. I've not heard anything yet. Part of
> the problem may also be a slight deafness problem with my AR7030 which
> should soon be rectified when the replacement parts for the front end
> filter & new first mixer IC arrive from AOR. It's currently about 10dB
> less sensitive than it should be after an accident with an antenna
> splitter and in IC706 (!)
>
> I've been following the chat on the reflector, and I take it that there
> is some actual "real time CW QSO" activity and not just QRSS beacons and
> the like?
>
> I've just grabbed a copy of the cct for Jim M0BMU's CW transmitter and
> will start gathering bits together.
>
> At present my only HF antenna is a GP that was originally a 20m 1/4
> wave, with feed point 2m agl, fed against 3 sloping radials. I recently
> added 3 capacity hat wires to drop its resonance to 30m as I prefer that
> band over 20m.
>
> I guess even with some base loading it's going to be a) too short and b)
> lacking in the grounding department?
>
> I can possibly put up an inverted with the top 8m AGL and 40m long for
> TXing, as there's an old electricity pole, unused, about 45m from the
> house. There are no trees to use as supports here! I only have one
> neighbour, who's house is about 60m from mine, for about 2 miles in any
> direction, so EMC shouldn't be a problem!
>
> Does anyone have any feelings as to whether I'm too far from
> civilisation to make this worthwhile? I'm exclusively a QRP CW OP (on
> HF) but 100mW erp on 500kHz might be pushing it from this remote
> location?
>
> Regards,
>
> John GM4SLV
>
> --
> G-GRP-Club 2377, QRP-ARCI 12384, SKCC 3214
> Member : RSGB, ARRL
> Elecraft : K2 #5542 / K1 #1672
> Shetland Islands (EU-012) IP90GG
>
>

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John says...............&quot;100mW erp on 500kHz might be pushing from this remote location&quot;<br>Yes I agree, but it would be a challenge, so worthwhile in my opinion.<br>Laurie G3AQC<br>Chichester on the south coast, so could&#39;nt be much further away !
<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 29/06/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">John GM4SLV</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk">gm4slv@sighthound.demon.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi gang,<br><br>I&#39;ve been following the discussions and reading around on the web for<br>the last few weeks, after discovering rather belatedly that OFCOM had<br>started issuing permits for 500kHz.<br><br>My location is well offshore in the north sea, and some considerable
<br>distance from the active stations in the UK. Added to this is the fact<br>that at this time of year we don&#39;t get any &quot;night&quot; at this latitude. I<br>have listened around the &quot;band&quot; on a few occasions (eg when I&#39;ve seen
<br>postings indicating there&#39;s some activity) using a 1m dia tuned MF loop<br>I knocked together for the purpose. I&#39;ve not heard anything yet. Part of<br>the problem may also be a slight deafness problem with my AR7030 which
<br>should soon be rectified when the replacement parts for the front end<br>filter &amp; new first mixer IC arrive from AOR. It&#39;s currently about 10dB<br>less sensitive than it should be after an accident with an antenna
<br>splitter and in IC706 (!)<br><br>I&#39;ve been following the chat on the reflector, and I take it that there<br>is some actual &quot;real time CW QSO&quot; activity and not just QRSS beacons and<br>the like?<br><br>I&#39;ve just grabbed a copy of the cct for Jim M0BMU&#39;s CW transmitter and
<br>will start gathering bits together.<br><br>At present my only HF antenna is a GP that was originally a 20m 1/4<br>wave, with feed point 2m agl, fed against 3 sloping radials. I recently<br>added 3 capacity hat wires to drop its resonance to 30m as I prefer that
<br>band over 20m.<br><br>I guess even with some base loading it&#39;s going to be a) too short and b)<br>lacking in the grounding department?<br><br>I can possibly put up an inverted with the top 8m AGL and 40m long for<br>
TXing, as there&#39;s an old electricity pole, unused, about 45m from the<br>house. There are no trees to use as supports here! I only have one<br>neighbour, who&#39;s house is about 60m from mine, for about 2 miles in any
<br>direction, so EMC shouldn&#39;t be a problem!<br><br>Does anyone have any feelings as to whether I&#39;m too far from<br>civilisation to make this worthwhile? I&#39;m exclusively a QRP CW OP (on<br>HF) but 100mW erp on 500kHz might be pushing it from this remote
<br>location?<br><br>Regards,<br><br>John GM4SLV<br><br>--<br>G-GRP-Club 2377, QRP-ARCI 12384, SKCC 3214<br>Member : RSGB, ARRL<br>Elecraft : K2 #5542 / K1 #1672<br>Shetland Islands (EU-012) IP90GG<br><br></blockquote></div>
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Hi gang,

I've been following the discussions and reading around on the web for 
the last few weeks, after discovering rather belatedly that OFCOM had 
started issuing permits for 500kHz.

My location is well offshore in the north sea, and some considerable 
distance from the active stations in the UK. Added to this is the fact 
that at this time of year we don't get any "night" at this latitude. I 
have listened around the "band" on a few occasions (eg when I've seen 
postings indicating there's some activity) using a 1m dia tuned MF loop 
I knocked together for the purpose. I've not heard anything yet. Part of 
the problem may also be a slight deafness problem with my AR7030 which 
should soon be rectified when the replacement parts for the front end 
filter & new first mixer IC arrive from AOR. It's currently about 10dB 
less sensitive than it should be after an accident with an antenna 
splitter and in IC706 (!)

I've been following the chat on the reflector, and I take it that there 
is some actual "real time CW QSO" activity and not just QRSS beacons and 
the like?

I've just grabbed a copy of the cct for Jim M0BMU's CW transmitter and 
will start gathering bits together. 

At present my only HF antenna is a GP that was originally a 20m 1/4 
wave, with feed point 2m agl, fed against 3 sloping radials. I recently 
added 3 capacity hat wires to drop its resonance to 30m as I prefer that 
band over 20m. 

I guess even with some base loading it's going to be a) too short and b) 
lacking in the grounding department?

I can possibly put up an inverted with the top 8m AGL and 40m long for 
TXing, as there's an old electricity pole, unused, about 45m from the 
house. There are no trees to use as supports here! I only have one 
neighbour, who's house is about 60m from mine, for about 2 miles in any 
direction, so EMC shouldn't be a problem!

Does anyone have any feelings as to whether I'm too far from 
civilisation to make this worthwhile? I'm exclusively a QRP CW OP (on 
HF) but 100mW erp on 500kHz might be pushing it from this remote 
location?

Regards,

John GM4SLV

-- 
G-GRP-Club 2377, QRP-ARCI 12384, SKCC 3214
Member : RSGB, ARRL	
Elecraft : K2 #5542 / K1 #1672
Shetland Islands (EU-012) IP90GG


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Hello the list,


FCC Part 5 Experimental license WE2XEB issued today, June 20 2007. WE2XEB 
licensee is Bob Raide W2ZM in Penn Yan, NY, with a secondary location in 
Wayland,MA (QTH of K2ORS). Additionally Mobile operation is permitted within a 
300 kM radius of Wayland,MA.

Parameters of the license are:
Freq: 160-185 kHz ssb; 160-189kHz cw and data (both locations)
           135.7-137.8 cw and data (Penn Yan,NY ONLY, K2ORS already has WD2XGJ issued for this band)
ERP 10W (both 1750 and 2200 m bands and all locations)
Permission to conduct two way QSOs with Part 15 unlicensed stations GRANTED.

If Condx are not too bad tonite I will try and put something on the 1750m band
--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
FN42hi
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Thanks to Hartmut and Victor for the reports outside uk.

I'm very pleased to make it on my simple setup here, just ~50W into 7m 
vertical T antenna, it's not as strong as at the weekend but making some 
more adjustments.

Anyone have any ideas on how to make DFCW keying to a DDS with AD9851 ? 
(it is PC controlled)
I guess it would need to be software controlled to shift freq for each 
dot/dash...... currently using OM3CPH design & software for controlling it.

Thanks

Rob


Victor van Kooten wrote:
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> Victor
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Hello Joe ,

I will record in QRSS20 (it is my lower speed) if one cannot read the=20
signs one will see at least the signal!!!!!

73 qro J-P f1afj

Joe Craig a =E9crit :
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Thank-you Jean Pierre,

Perhaps the summer QRN will not preclude reception at
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73
Joe

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Last night very good copy of VO1NA

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73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
































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Yes, Henny, a good reception. Even better than yesterday.
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Will try again tonight.

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Last night very good copy of VO1NA and WD2XES

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Tks chris - just rcd.

Will cu Sat/Sun am, as below.

MP3 rcd yet?

Bcn on 501.5 currently -  qrn hi.

Rog

----- Original Message -----=20
From: CHRISTOPHER OSBORN=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:10 PM
Subject: Re: LF: [500] G4GDR - Active on 500 kHz


Hi Rog,
Early Saturdays or Sundays is best for me - say 7.30 - 8.30 ish
I can take a listen for you tomorrow late (Friday ) say 11 - 11.30
73 Chris XIZ

Gw3UEP <500kcs@uku.co.uk> wrote:
  I often hear your beacon at good strength - best times for a sked =
Chris?
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: CHRISTOPHER OSBORN=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:44 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: [500] G4GDR - Active on 500 kHz


  Hi Rog,

  Just back from a few days away.
  Thanks for Adrian's report which I've QSP'd.
  No, I haven't received the MP3 file yet.

  The ground system here is a single 2m copper pipe rammed into the =
earth at the bottom of the aerial vertical section.
  The local water table is high and only about 2 feet down !!
  I think my success is due to a 2.5 m x 10m metal corrugated roof which =
runs under the aerial top section !!

  I often hear your beacon at good strength.

  73 Chris XIZ


    Chris, Adrian is usually identifiable here during day, similar to =
G3UNT, at MDS. You might like to QSP rprt.

    Did you eventually get that MP3 file from last Sunday [XIZ/KEV].

    Interesting F/S results & ur Tx info - only managing ~300mA [4W] =
here with high Input-Res / gnd loss ~40R, also tree/forest-loss.
    You must have a FB gnd system.

    72, Rog.

    ----- Original Message -----=20
    From: CHRISTOPHER OSBORN=20
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:14 PM
    Subject: Re: LF: [500] G4GDR - Active on 500 kHz


    Thanks Dave,

    I've forwarded your E-mail on to Adrian.
    I'm sure he'll be pleased.

    My aerial current is about 0.5 A and the TX puts 4 watts into a 50 =
ohm dummy load.

    Good luck with the F/S measurements.

    73 Chris G3XIZ





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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Tks chris - just rcd.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Will cu Sat/Sun am, as =
below.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>MP3 rcd =
yet?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Bcn on 501.5 currently -&nbsp; qrn =
hi.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rog</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
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<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, June 07, 2007 10:10 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: [500] G4GDR - Active on 500 kHz</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hi Rog,<BR>Early Saturdays or Sundays is best for me - =
say 7.30 -=20
8.30 ish<BR>I can take a listen for you tomorrow late (Friday ) say 11 - =

11.30<BR>73 Chris XIZ<BR><BR><B><I>Gw3UEP &lt;<A=20
href=3D"mailto:500kcs@uku.co.uk">500kcs@uku.co.uk</A>&gt;</I></B> wrote:
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  <DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff>I often hear your beacon at good =
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  <STRONG>best times for a sked Chris?</STRONG></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV>Hi Rog,</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Just back from a few days away.</DIV>
  <DIV>Thanks for Adrian's report which I've QSP'd.</DIV>
  <DIV>No, I haven't received the MP3 file yet.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>The ground system here is a single 2m copper pipe rammed into=20
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  <DIV>The local water table is high and only about 2 feet down !!</DIV>
  <DIV>I think my success is due to a 2.5 m x 10m metal corrugated roof=20
  which&nbsp;runs under the aerial top section !!</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>I often hear your beacon at good strength.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>73 Chris XIZ<BR><BR></DIV><B><I></I></B>
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Chris, Adrian is usually =
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    during day, similar to G3UNT, at MDS. You might like to QSP=20
    rprt.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Did you eventually get that MP3 =
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Interesting&nbsp;F/S results &amp; =
ur Tx info -=20
    only managing ~300mA [4W] here with high&nbsp;Input-Res&nbsp;/ gnd =
loss=20
    ~40R, also tree/forest-loss.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You must have a&nbsp;FB gnd=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>72, Rog.</FONT></DIV>
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Hi Rog,
Early Saturdays or Sundays is best for me - say 7.30 - 8.30 ish
I can take a listen for you tomorrow late (Friday ) say 11 - 11.30
73 Chris XIZ

Gw3UEP <500kcs@uku.co.uk> wrote:      I often hear your beacon at good strength -  best times for a sked Chris?

 ----- Original Message -----  From: CHRISTOPHER  OSBORN 
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 Sent: Monday, June 04, 2007 9:44 PM
 Subject: Re: LF: [500] G4GDR - Active on 500 kHz

 

 Hi Rog,
  
 Just back from a few days away.
 Thanks for Adrian's report which I've QSP'd.
 No, I haven't received the MP3 file yet.
  
 The ground system here is a single 2m copper pipe rammed into  the earth at the bottom of the aerial vertical section.
 The local water table is high and only about 2 feet down !!
 I think my success is due to a 2.5 m x 10m metal corrugated roof  which runs under the aerial top section !!
  
 I often hear your beacon at good strength.
  
 73 Chris XIZ


           Chris, Adrian is usually identifiable here during    day, similar to G3UNT, at MDS. You might like to QSP rprt.
    
   Did you eventually get that MP3 file from last    Sunday [XIZ/KEV].
    
   Interesting F/S results & ur Tx info -    only managing ~300mA [4W] here with high Input-Res / gnd loss ~40R,    also tree/forest-loss.
   You must have a FB gnd system.
    
   72, Rog.
    
   ----- Original Message -----    From: CHRISTOPHER    OSBORN 
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Thanks Dave,

I've forwarded your E-mail on to    Adrian.
I'm sure he'll be pleased.

My aerial current is about 0.5 A    and the TX puts 4 watts into a 50 ohm dummy load.

Good luck with the    F/S measurements.

73 Chris G3XIZ


  

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Hi Rog,<br>Early Saturdays or Sundays is best for me - say 7.30 - 8.30 ish<br>I can take a listen for you tomorrow late (Friday ) say 11 - 11.30<br>73 Chris XIZ<br><br><b><i>Gw3UEP &lt;500kcs@uku.co.uk&gt;</i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name="GENERATOR"> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"> <div><font color="#0000ff">I often hear your beacon at good strength</font> -  <strong>best times for a sked Chris?</strong></div></font></div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message -----  <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin:
 -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><b>From:</b> <a title="c.cjo@btinternet.com" href="mailto:c.cjo@btinternet.com">CHRISTOPHER  OSBORN</a> </div> <div><b>To:</b> <a title="rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>  </div> <div><b>Sent:</b> Monday, June 04, 2007 9:44 PM</div> <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: LF: [500] G4GDR - Active on 500 kHz</div></div> <div><br></div> <div>Hi Rog,</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>Just back from a few days away.</div> <div>Thanks for Adrian's report which I've QSP'd.</div> <div>No, I haven't received the MP3 file yet.</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>The ground system here is a single 2m copper pipe rammed into  the&nbsp;earth at the bottom of the aerial vertical section.</div> <div>The local water table is high and only about 2 feet down !!</div> <div>I think my success is due to a 2.5 m x 10m metal corrugated roof  which&nbsp;runs under the aerial top section
 !!</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>I often hear your beacon at good strength.</div> <div>&nbsp;</div> <div>73 Chris XIZ<br><br></div><b><i></i></b> <blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;">   <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name="GENERATOR">   <style></style>    <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Chris, Adrian is usually identifiable here during    day, similar to G3UNT, at MDS. You might like to QSP rprt.</font></div>   <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div>   <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Did you eventually get that MP3 file from last    Sunday [XIZ/KEV].</font></div>   <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div>   <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Interesting&nbsp;F/S results &amp; ur Tx info -    only managing ~300mA [4W] here with high&nbsp;Input-Res&nbsp;/ gnd loss ~40R,    also tree/forest-loss.</font></div>   <div><font face="Arial" size="2">You must have a&nbsp;FB gnd
 system.</font></div>   <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div>   <div><font face="Arial" size="2">72, Rog.</font></div>   <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font>&nbsp;</div>   <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message -----    <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial;"><b>From:</b> <a title="c.cjo@btinternet.com" href="mailto:c.cjo@btinternet.com">CHRISTOPHER    OSBORN</a> </div>   <div><b>To:</b> <a title="rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>    </div>   <div><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:14 PM</div>   <div><b>Subject:</b> Re: LF: [500] G4GDR - Active on 500 kHz</div></div>  
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Hi Rog,
   
  Just back from a few days away.
  Thanks for Adrian's report which I've QSP'd.
  No, I haven't received the MP3 file yet.
   
  The ground system here is a single 2m copper pipe rammed into the earth at the bottom of the aerial vertical section.
  The local water table is high and only about 2 feet down !!
  I think my success is due to a 2.5 m x 10m metal corrugated roof which runs under the aerial top section !!
   
  I often hear your beacon at good strength.
   
  73 Chris XIZ


          Chris, Adrian is usually identifiable here during day, similar to G3UNT, at MDS. You might like to QSP rprt.
   
  Did you eventually get that MP3 file from last Sunday [XIZ/KEV].
   
  Interesting F/S results & ur Tx info - only managing ~300mA [4W] here with high Input-Res / gnd loss ~40R, also tree/forest-loss.
  You must have a FB gnd system.
   
  72, Rog.
   
  ----- Original Message -----   From: CHRISTOPHER OSBORN 
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
  Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 11:14 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: [500] G4GDR - Active on 500 kHz

  

Thanks Dave,

I've forwarded your E-mail on to Adrian.
I'm sure he'll be pleased.

My aerial current is about 0.5 A and the TX puts 4 watts into a 50 ohm dummy load.

Good luck with the F/S measurements.

73 Chris G3XIZ



       
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<div>Hi Rog,</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div>Just back from a few days away.</div>  <div>Thanks for Adrian's report which I've QSP'd.</div>  <div>No, I haven't received the MP3 file yet.</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div>The ground system here is a single 2m copper pipe rammed into the&nbsp;earth at the bottom of the aerial vertical section.</div>  <div>The local water table is high and only about 2 feet down !!</div>  <div>I think my success is due to a 2.5 m x 10m metal corrugated roof which&nbsp;runs under the aerial top section !!</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div>I often hear your beacon at good strength.</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div>73 Chris XIZ<BR><BR></div><B><I></I></B>  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">  <META content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.2180" name=GENERATOR>  <STYLE></STYLE>    <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Chris, Adrian is usually identifiable here during day, similar to G3UNT, at MDS. You might like to
 QSP rprt.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Did you eventually get that MP3 file from last Sunday [XIZ/KEV].</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Interesting&nbsp;F/S results &amp; ur Tx info - only managing ~300mA [4W] here with high&nbsp;Input-Res&nbsp;/ gnd loss ~40R, also tree/forest-loss.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>You must have a&nbsp;FB gnd system.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>72, Rog.</FONT></DIV>  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----   <DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=c.cjo@btinternet.com href="mailto:c.cjo@btinternet.com">CHRISTOPHER OSBORN</A> </DIV>  <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Thanks Dave,

I've forwarded your E-mail on to Adrian.
I'm sure he'll be pleased.

My aerial current is about 0.5 A and the TX puts 4 watts into a 50 ohm dummy load.

Good luck with the F/S measurements.

73 Chris G3XIZ

Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com> wrote:     Hi,  Chris, LF,
  
 I've  copied G4GDR several times in the last few days. Reports as  follows:-
  
 Sun 27  May    1657 utc      501.95   RST 449
 Mon 28  May    1452 utc      502.0    RST 559  -70dBm
 Mon 28  May    1505 UTC    502.0    RST 559  -71dBm with slight QSB
  
 I'm  following your ERP measurements with interest...I'm hoping to try the same thing  here during the summer. How much RF are you putting into the  antenna?
  
 73,  Dave G3WCB IO91RM, Iver, near Windsor
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Dear LF

Adrian G4GDR has asked me to say that    he'll be active on 500 kHz
most mornings between 1100 - 1230 local    time.
He'd appreciate any calls and / or  reports.
His crystal    frequencies are    -   500.2 and 500.92 kHz

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Thanks Dave,<br><br>I've forwarded your E-mail on to Adrian.<br>I'm sure he'll be pleased.<br><br>My aerial current is about 0.5 A and the TX puts 4 watts into a 50 ohm dummy load.<br><br>Good luck with the F/S measurements.<br><br>73 Chris G3XIZ<br><br><b><i>Dave G3WCB &lt;ganymede444@btopenworld.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">   <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1458" name="GENERATOR"> <div><span class="198394021-31052007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Hi,  Chris, LF,</font></span></div> <div><span class="198394021-31052007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span>&nbsp;</div> <div><span class="198394021-31052007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">I've  copied G4GDR several times in the last few days. Reports as  follows:-</font></span></div> <div><span
 class="198394021-31052007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span>&nbsp;</div> <div><span class="198394021-31052007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Sun 27  May&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1657 utc&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  501.95&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;RST 449</font></span></div> <div><span class="198394021-31052007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Mon 28  May&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;1452 utc&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;  502.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; RST 559&nbsp;&nbsp;-70dBm</font></span></div> <div><span class="198394021-31052007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">Mon 28  May&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1505 UTC&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 502.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; RST 559  -71dBm with slight QSB</font></span></div> <div><span class="198394021-31052007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span>&nbsp;</div> <div><span class="198394021-31052007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">I'm  following your ERP measurements with interest...I'm
 hoping to try the same thing  here during the summer. How much RF are you putting into the  antenna?</font></span></div> <div><span class="198394021-31052007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2"></font></span>&nbsp;</div> <div><span class="198394021-31052007"><font color="#0000ff" face="Arial" size="2">73,  Dave G3WCB IO91RM, Iver, near Windsor</font></span></div> <blockquote>   <div class="OutlookMessageHeader" dir="ltr" align="left"><font face="Tahoma" size="2">-----Original Message-----<br><b>From:</b>    owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org    [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<b>On Behalf Of </b>CHRISTOPHER    OSBORN<br><b>Sent:</b> 31 May 2007 22:33<br><b>To:</b> LF    group<br><b>Subject:</b> LF: G4GDR - Active on 500    kHz<br><br></font></div>Dear LF<br><br>Adrian G4GDR has asked me to say that    he'll be active on 500 kHz<br>most mornings between 1100 - 1230 local    time.<br>He'd appreciate any calls and / or&nbsp; reports.<br>His crystal   
 frequencies are&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; -&nbsp;&nbsp; 500.2 and 500.92 kHz<br><br>73    Chris G3XIZ<br>   <div>   </div><hr size="1">   The <a href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail/uk/taglines/default/nowyoucan/free_from_isp/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=40565/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html">all-new    Yahoo! Mail</a> goes wherever you go - free your email address from your    Internet provider.</blockquote></blockquote><br><p>&#32;


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On 9 Jun 2007 at 8:28, Gw3UEP wrote:

> Hi Chris, 
> 
> Hrd ur cq's 502.3, sig weak but solid, easy-copy, daytime norm, band
> quiet.  Now it's June, would need to be much earlier.
> 
> When has my bcn bn at its best with you - presumably in evenings?
> 
> Did u get that mp3 file in the end?
> 
> No sigs detected on 502, 0600 on.
> 
> Rog.
> 
> 

Not sure how long you were beaconing this morning Rog, but I listened 
around 0645 local and heard nothing of you on 502.0. So possibly you 
are one of the chaps who I cannot hear in Bracknell. Chris of course 
you were 599...

At least the static has subsided today, it was pretty fierce 
yesterday.

73 Dave G3YMC

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When has my bcn bn at its best with you - presumably in evenings?

Did u get that mp3 file in the end?

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Hi All
Very little acty on LF/MF so far. Called cq yeserday and today on 136 and
nothing hrd.
The 6m band has been reasonable with sporadic E around EU
73 De Mal/G3KEV



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Dear Martyn, LF Group,

The approach I adopted goes something like:

-Calculate or measure capacitance and effective height / radiation
resistance of antenna (to do this, you also need the length of the top
section, and the spacing of the top wires in order to calculate capacitance
of vertical and top loading sections).

-Calculate antenna current required to get 0.1W ERP ( = sqrt (0.1W / [Rrad *
1.8]); this will be some hundreds of milliamps.

-From the antenna capacitance, work out the antenna reactance and multiply
by antenna current to get the antenna voltage.

-Make a "worst case" assumption that the field strength is (antenna
voltage)/(shortest distance to neighbors) - the actual field strength will
be less than this.

This will probably come out to some tens of volts/m, which Ofcom seem to
find acceptable.

Most people seem to be using CW at the moment; also, the very slow morse
QRSS and DFCW modes as used on 136kHz have seen some use.

Good luck with the application,

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: Applying for a 500kHz NOV


Hi all,

I am applying for a NOV for 500kHz.

I have a couple of questions which I am hoping you may be able to help
me with.

Assuming that I run QRO ERP (-10dBW) can someone give me some help to
what my field strength will be at the neighbours boundary.





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Rob, M0DTS wrote:
> Anyone confirm a station on this frequency at the moment, looks like 
> dfcw maybe?
> Cant make out the id...
>
> It's the first station i have seen!
>
> Thanks
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> Rob
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>
Ignore that ....hi

tks for first signal Jim.


Rob


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Hello Gus attached my screen capture on 505.100 kHz received with  my small 
active antenna but with a strange noise at same  frequency
 
Best 73  from F4DTL in JN18FP




   

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Thanks, Hartmut.

The QRN was very bad here last night, so I am surprised you were able to
copy my signals. I am running my usual 200W set-up, and I was doing some
antenna testing, as well as providing a signal for Rob M0DTS to hear.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Added screenshots of G3WCB and VO1NA to my website:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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In a message dated 28/06/2007 20:58:14 Greenwich Standard Time,  
G3vtt@aol.com writes:

I will be making slow morse test transmissions on 502 kHz until  about 21:30 
GMT.
Appreciate reports if anyone can hear me.
 
73 
 
G3JFS, Peter in Plymouth.
 
Nothing heard here in the 'Far East' Peter. I'm currently CQing on 502 as  
well. Maybe our signals are colliding over Swindon?
 
Is this as good as it gets?
 
73
 
G3VTT
 
co/ba/pa 2E26 final 6w to a Marconi Tee up 30ft - 206 uH loading coil K2  as 
tuneable IF



Thanks for the 'nil' report Colin.  I am running about 5 watts from a  
5B/254M (the so-called miniature 807) to a 40m doublet with strapped  feeders.  The 
aerial is very poor though as it is lost amongst trees that  surround my 
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73 Peter G3JFS



   

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  <DIV>73 </DIV>
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I will be making slow morse test transmissions on 502 kHz until about  21:30 
GMT.
Appreciate reports if anyone can hear me.
 
73 
 
G3JFS, Peter in Plymouth.
 
Nothing heard here in the 'Far East' Peter. I'm currently CQing on 502 as  
well. Maybe our signals are colliding over Swindon?
 
Is this as good as it gets?
 
73
 
G3VTT
 
co/ba/pa 2E26 final 6w to a Marconi Tee up 30ft - 206 uH loading coil K2 as  
tuneable IF




   

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Hartmut,

Nice job! You even caught the change in date in the middle of the first 
screen.

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Partial copy of UA4WPF on 137.7795 kHz in QRSS30. Antenna pointing at
310� for T/A. Captured UA4WPF the night before on about 137.777 kHz.

Copied the WOLF10 transmission from John, WD2XES about 01:45-02:39 on
137.577 kHz.


Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
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Jean Pierre, Henny,

Thanks very much for the nice reports. XES will be on again tonight.

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Last night very good copy of WD2XES

the captures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

































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Has the QRM level changed at all in the North of England or in the Peak=
 District, please?

73,
John F5VLF

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On 27/06/2007 at 20:44 Peter Wilhelm Schnoor wrote:

>Hi Guys,
>
>According to an information from the appropriate authority 
>LORAN-C at the island of Sylt at North Germany will be off for 
>at least 3-4 weeks for maintenance.
>
>73 from 54=B016'N/10=B010'E,
>Peter, df3lp







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Hi Guys,

According to an information from the appropriate authority 
LORAN-C at the island of Sylt at North Germany will be off for 
at least 3-4 weeks for maintenance.

73 from 54�16'N/10�10'E,
Peter, df3lp


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Dear Lubomir,
     thanks for the clear screenshot. Only 0,4W ERP.
73    Walter    DI2AG / DJ2LF

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  Hi all!

  No QRN this evening, it means good time for receiving on 500kHz.

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Hi Alan and ALL!
The same situation is here - low QRN today. I saw beacons from Germany
very strong last night, so I think it is good idea to try listen on
500kHz this evening.

GL on 502kHz!

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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-----Original Message-----
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Subject: LF: 502.0 CQ de G3XAQ

The QRN is low here today. I will be calling CQ on 502.0 from 18:00Z 
(7pm UK) this evening.
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On 3 Jun 2007 at 10:29, Mike Dennison wrote:

> I haven't seen this mentioned on the reflector, or have I missed it
> amongst the 500kHz stuff?

I posted the information on 28th May Mike, as forwarded from the 5MHz 
reflector. Message subject 'LF: (Fwd) [ukfivemegs] RAC - Canadian 135 
kHz and 5 MHz Special Au'

73 Dave G3YMC

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I read the following on the RSGB web site:

"Since 2001, a number of special, time-limited authorisations have 
been granted to some Canadian radio amateurs to conduct experiments 
on 136 kHz and at 5 MHz. 

"All of these special authorisations will expire and transmissions 
must cease on 30 June, 2007. Further special authorisations will 
depend on the outcomes of WRC-2007, scheduled for 22 October - 16 
November. 

"At the suggestion of Canada, the agenda includes a new, worldwide, 
secondary Amateur allocation at 135.7 =96 137.8 kHz."

I haven't seen this mentioned on the reflector, or have I missed it 
amongst the 500kHz stuff?

Mike, G3XDV
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I have been adding to my 500kHz pages in the past few days. As well 
as the transmitter design (and we already have at least one of you 
eagerly building it...) I now have a main page giving background 
history information, details of the NOV and how to apply and general 
information about my station. I intend to add at least two more pages 
shortly, one about my vertical antenna and another on experiences on 
the band, plus links to related sites (there don't seem to be many of 
those at the moment...) These will require me to take a few more 
photos, and the weather is not very conducive at the moment...

Now also linked from my home page and qrp page.

http://www.davesergeant.com/mf/index.htm

73 Dave G3YMC

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Joe, LF,

Captures of NA, peaking strongly at about 0305z utc attached. 

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM


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Alan Melia wrote:
> Hi Alberto, you must have got a pension increase !!

Hi Alan,

    on the contrary ! With the new (well, it was new one year ago...) leftist government we enjoy now in Italy, there 
has been a tax increase, which means less money to spend for yourself...

But registering a domain name complete with DNS services and an unlimited (within reason..) Web space linked to it, 
costs about 25 Euro/year (VAT included), so even a poor retired man as me can afford it... I found a nice hobby-related 
domain name still free, and I registered it at my name, complete with the Web space. As soon as the move will be done,
my programs will be accessible both with the new name and also with the old weaksignals.com name, but now free from any 
form of ads and pop-ups.

Qsl.net was a nice idea at the beginning, and then very usable. But with the increase of the number of the users (and 
hence of the cost for maintaining the server farm), it has declined up to the point of being almost unusable for the 
very slow response time. I don't like the politic of its maintainer, of giving free space and then asking for voluntary 
contributions. It would be much more sensible to ask a modest fee related to the services one requests. But of course 
everyone is entitled to his opinions and free to act according to them.

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Alan Melia wrote:
> 
> Yes qsl.net is slow these days but it is a freebie so they cant afford the
> bandwidth I guess.  Many like Alberto of ARGO fame have mirrored their
> sites, but then you have to put up with pop-ups and ads.

Not for very long.... I have now bought some Web space free of pop-ups and ads, together with the
relevant DNS services (these are the responsible of the pop-ups that show on the weaksignals site).

As soon as I have some free time I will move everything to the new Web space.

73  Alberto  I2PHD

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Hi Rob
LF Forum, well this is it, this is where it all happens ...
world-wide....but there also is the LWCA Message Board and their LowFer
reflector. There is also a VLF reflector (I think that is run by the NASA
INSPIRE project people)  that is more in tune with natural radio, whistlers
and such....below 22kHz generally.

You wont find a lot of technical chat on here as a lot of the early band
users have moved on, and we have not had many newcommers recently.Most of
the tech chat has been refering to 500kHz, some of which is pertinent to
136k. 500k is also very much easier than 136k (about 10 times...the square
of the frequency ratio) just as 136 was easier than 73k (the factor about 4
here). Dont let the quietness put you off, ask a question and you are bound
to get answers,  LFers are a very sociable lot. I think Peter Dodd has an
archive of selected reflector technical e-mails on his web site. Many of
these sites are linked through Dave G3YXMs web site http://wireless.org.uk/

Yes qsl.net is slow these days but it is a freebie so they cant afford the
bandwidth I guess.  Many like Alberto of ARGO fame have mirrored their
sites, but then you have to put up with pop-ups and ads.  I think I have an
image of Rik's site if you find you are getting nowhere, but I am not sure
its is fully up-to-date.
.
The 706 is well known to be deaf at LF. With a small aerial you need a
preamp like the kit Dave G0MRF does. When Peter G3LDO was in Morroco he
needed two of them !! They have a tight filter as well.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: Rob, M0DTS <rob@m0dts.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: 136kHz Getting started..


> Thanks for the tip on the loop tuning, will try that out tomorrow and
> see the difference it shows.
>
> The mixer and amp is just a temporary setup to see if i would be lucky
> enough to see any signals....hmm
> As in the other post i am receiving with my ic-706IIG now and seems a
> bit better for spurious than the wideband mixer!
> I'l make a crude filter tomorrow for the input and hopefully cure the
> main breakthrough probs but i am now hearing things...
>
> I'l try Rik's site sometime when qsl.net actually responds.. anyone else
> notice it is really slow these days?!
> I'm using spectrum lab for the monitoring, have used it as a general
> monitor for all souncard stuff for a while now and very impressed., i
> also use winrad for sdr and weak sigs etc..
>
> Are there any other forums on the net for LF and VLF, seem very hard to
> find any meeting place for common interest in 136KHz like the handy
> on4kst setup for eme/vhf and up skeds etc..
>
> Thanks for your web link too Alan, will have a look through later.....
>
>
> Rob




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Thanks for the tip on the loop tuning, will try that out tomorrow and 
see the difference it shows.

The mixer and amp is just a temporary setup to see if i would be lucky 
enough to see any signals....hmm
As in the other post i am receiving with my ic-706IIG now and seems a 
bit better for spurious than the wideband mixer!
I'l make a crude filter tomorrow for the input and hopefully cure the 
main breakthrough probs but i am now hearing things...

I'l try Rik's site sometime when qsl.net actually responds.. anyone else 
notice it is really slow these days?!
I'm using spectrum lab for the monitoring, have used it as a general 
monitor for all souncard stuff for a while now and very impressed., i 
also use winrad for sdr and weak sigs etc..

Are there any other forums on the net for LF and VLF, seem very hard to 
find any meeting place for common interest in 136KHz like the handy 
on4kst setup for eme/vhf and up skeds etc..

Thanks for your web link too Alan, will have a look through later.....


Rob

Alan Melia wrote:
> Hi Rob as dave said it is quiet at the moment. I found attaching a gen to a
> loop can give silly answers, and you can finish off far enough off resonance
> to seriously affect the signal levels. I connect my generator to a small
> coil about 8in diam with about 8 turns or any-old-wire. Set the two loops in
> the same plane with the exciter look a couple of diameters of the big loo
> along the axis. Then peak the main loop. I get quite a bit signal from DCF39
> on 138.83 here the field strength is about 1mV/meter and that vives me an
> S9+32dB signal from a 12m high Inverted L.. You will get a little less on a
> loop but not that much less with a large one.
> Most of the "accumulated wisdom" is summerised on a couple of big tutorials
> on Rik Stobbe's web site, and he has lots of links to other projects
> information
> http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136khz.htm
>
> It occurs to me that depending on your location you may need a low-pass
> filter between your loop and the rx to keep out MW  BC stations, the 612 is
> not the best intermod performer, but is adequate if protected sufficiently.
>
> The use of a PC "waterfall" program (ARGO is popular, free, and easy to use,
> and works with most on-board sound cards I think) is very useful for
> identifying QRM and also spotting weak signals.
>
> Welcome to LF ( which stands for Lotsa Fun !!)
> Alan G3NYK
> http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/index.htm
>
>   



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Hi Rob as dave said it is quiet at the moment. I found attaching a gen to a
loop can give silly answers, and you can finish off far enough off resonance
to seriously affect the signal levels. I connect my generator to a small
coil about 8in diam with about 8 turns or any-old-wire. Set the two loops in
the same plane with the exciter look a couple of diameters of the big loo
along the axis. Then peak the main loop. I get quite a bit signal from DCF39
on 138.83 here the field strength is about 1mV/meter and that vives me an
S9+32dB signal from a 12m high Inverted L.. You will get a little less on a
loop but not that much less with a large one.
Most of the "accumulated wisdom" is summerised on a couple of big tutorials
on Rik Stobbe's web site, and he has lots of links to other projects
information
http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136khz.htm

It occurs to me that depending on your location you may need a low-pass
filter between your loop and the rx to keep out MW  BC stations, the 612 is
not the best intermod performer, but is adequate if protected sufficiently.

The use of a PC "waterfall" program (ARGO is popular, free, and easy to use,
and works with most on-board sound cards I think) is very useful for
identifying QRM and also spotting weak signals.

Welcome to LF ( which stands for Lotsa Fun !!)
Alan G3NYK
http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/index.htm


----- Original Message -----
From: Rob, M0DTS <rob@m0dts.co.uk>
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Subject: LF: 136kHz Getting started..


> Hi All..
>
> Just found this list and seems like the only sort of forum on the net to
> do with LF!
>
> I'm just looking into 136kHz and looking for a few pointers..
>
> I've temporarily built a loop similar to G3LDO's super loop (but not in
> the pvc tube) and got it resonant but cannot tell how high Q it is..
> Only equipment i have that will check the loop out is a DDS wobbler unit
> that i can connect up across teh pick up loop and see it is resonant
> around 136-138kHz...
> I'm feeding the loop into a simple sa612 mixer and 100kHz LO and sending
> the IF into the sound card at 36-38kHz.
> I've only got basic knowledge of home brew stuff so looking for a simple
> setup to get me receiveing to see if it will be worthwhile making a
> transceiver for the band...
>
> So far I've not seen anything on the band apart from qrm...hi
> especially on 137.4  +/-100Hz a noise band that is always there.
> Are there any beacons active all the time or is there anything just
> outside the band i can look for to check the system is working?
> When are the best times to find stations active?
>
> Any comments welcome!
>
> Thanks
>
> Rob
>
> M0DTS - IO94IL
>



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Hi All
500 as flat as the proverbial pancake. Now on 136.7 khz approx CW. All
callers welcome.
Qrn could be a problem for the faint hearted. For the THE OLD timer not a
problem.

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> Alas, you missed the "HELLO HARTMUT" and "GUTEN NACHT" messages between
> those two captures. We will have to coordinate the fading better...

> John Andrews, W1TAG
 

 John,

 thank you for these messages. There was nearly no sync on the right
 frequency at that time.

73
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Hartmut Wolff wrote:

> Copied the WOLF10 transmission from John, WD2XES peaking about 01:10
> and 02:20. There was a deep fading 01:30-02:10.

Alas, you missed the "HELLO HARTMUT" and "GUTEN NACHT" messages between 
those two captures. We will have to coordinate the fading better...

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Copied UA4WPF on 137.777 kHz until 22:15 last night.

Copied the WOLF10 transmission from John, WD2XES peaking about 01:10
and 02:20. There was a deep fading 01:30-02:10.

Probably of the next few nights, because the weather forecast
predicted some T-storms for the next couple of days and I'm not much
at home. So I'll disconnect the antennas tonight.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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Many thanks Roelof,

One of the many good things that resulted from this experiment
was a version of your Miniwhip I built.  Your design is remarkable!

Lets keep our fingers crossed that we all get a 2200m  band at the
WRC in October.

73
Joe

On Wed, 13 Jun 2007, Roelof Bakker wrote:

> Hello Joe,
>
> I am very pleased to report reception of "NA" last night.
> I understand that your license expires at the end of this month.
> So I thought better give it a try again as long as it can.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt
>
> ==================================================
> From: Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt
>
> Location: Middelburg, Zealand SW Netherlands, 51 30 02 N, 03 36 02 E
> Locator: JO11tm
> Equipment:
>
> Tuneable pre-amplifier
> Wandel & Goltermann SPM-30,
> BW 24 Hz, home made pitchshifter 2000 Hz - 500 Hz,
>
> 12 / 6 Hz exernal active audio filters and audio amplifier.
>
> Aerial: pa0rdt-micro-whip, 5 metre up the stem of a magnolia tree
>
> Software: DL4YHF's Spectrum Lab
>
> ==================================================


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Hello Joe,

I am very pleased to report reception of "NA" last night.
I understand that your license expires at the end of this month.
So I thought better give it a try again as long as it can.

Best regards,

Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt

==================================================
From: Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt 

Location: Middelburg, Zealand SW Netherlands, 51 30 02 N, 03 36 02 E
Locator: JO11tm
Equipment:

Tuneable pre-amplifier
Wandel & Goltermann SPM-30,
BW 24 Hz, home made pitchshifter 2000 Hz - 500 Hz, 

12 / 6 Hz exernal active audio filters and audio amplifier. 

Aerial: pa0rdt-micro-whip, 5 metre up the stem of a magnolia tree

Software: DL4YHF's Spectrum Lab

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Thank-you, Jean Pierre.  There appears to
be some evidence (a blur) of the 10 WPM signals
after the second NA, but it is much too weak to
copy by ear.

NA will be on again tonight.

73
Joe

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Last night very good copy of VO1NA
in DFCW120 , no traces CW 10WPM

the captures of night are at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

































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In a message dated 16/06/2007 09:01:11 Greenwich Standard Time,  
dave@davesergeant.com writes:

On 16  Jun 2007 at 8:47, CHRISTOPHER OSBORN wrote:

> The GW4HXO beacon is  coming in at 349 in IO92UB this morning.
> It's the strongest I've heard  him and he would be FB copy if not for
> the usual diabolical local QRM.  I'll be monitoring 500 kc/s for an
> hour or so if anyone wants a QSO  (QRM about S4 here). 73 Chris G3XIZ
> 
> 

Good copy in  Bracknell, peaking 549. Recording at  
http://my.opera.com/davews/blog/2007/06/05/500khz-recordings
but the  recording doesn't really do him justice, I copy him better 
than  that!

73 Dave  G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com




Also excellent copy in Plymouth, IO70WJ
 
Peter, G3JFS



   

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On 16 Jun 2007 at 8:47, CHRISTOPHER OSBORN wrote:

> The GW4HXO beacon is coming in at 349 in IO92UB this morning.
> It's the strongest I've heard him and he would be FB copy if not for
> the usual diabolical local QRM. I'll be monitoring 500 kc/s for an
> hour or so if anyone wants a QSO (QRM about S4 here). 73 Chris G3XIZ
> 
> 

Good copy in Bracknell, peaking 549. Recording at 
http://my.opera.com/davews/blog/2007/06/05/500khz-recordings
but the recording doesn't really do him justice, I copy him better 
than that!

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com



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The GW4HXO beacon is coming in at 349 in IO92UB this morning.
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Dave G3WCB wrote:
> Dear Rob, LF
>
> G3WCB is in beacon mode QRSS3 on 137,695 until about 2200z, with 200W RF
>
> Dusted off the 137 rig and the Big Coil...
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM Iver S.E nr Windsor England
>
>   
Excellent, 2 stations on my screen now, Slightly weaker Dave but good 
copy, thanks.

It was worth the wait...hi 

I have a little confidence in my setup now anyway, will have to get a 
transverter built and have a go sometime soon......hmmm


Rob


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Dear Rob, LF

G3WCB is in beacon mode QRSS3 on 137,695 until about 2200z, with 200W RF

Dusted off the 137 rig and the Big Coil...

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM Iver S.E nr Windsor England

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Rob, M0DTS wrote:
> Anyone confirm a station on this frequency at the moment, looks like 
> dfcw maybe?
> Cant make out the id...
>
> It's the first station i have seen!
>
> Thanks
>
> Rob
>
>
Ignore that ....hi

tks for first signal Jim.


Rob





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I will try and listen around midday Colin. But we are doing NFD down 
here so have to get sorted out for that. Will you be on tomorrow as 
well?

73 Dave G3YMC

On 2 Jun 2007 at 3:27, G3vtt@aol.com wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> As I mentioned to one or two I am planning a trip to the beach today
> to try  portable 502 Khz. I am not hopeful that there will be enough
> wind for the kite 
>  but intend to hike the 3 miles with Geoff G3YVF and his 'IRF510' tcvr
>   
> anyway.
> 
> Ofcom have been informed so that if one of the 'roving Ofcom
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> manner. Our location is  Egypt Bay North Kent if anybody wants to join
> us!
> 
> If any of you are still active on the band please keep an ear cocked, 
> certainly at midday, wind permitting.
> 
> 73
> 
> G3VTT
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Hi All,
 
As I mentioned to one or two I am planning a trip to the beach today to try  
portable 502 Khz. I am not hopeful that there will be enough wind for the kite 
 but intend to hike the 3 miles with Geoff G3YVF and his 'IRF510' tcvr  
anyway.
 
Ofcom have been informed so that if one of the 'roving Ofcom inspection  
teams' turn up we can greet them in the traditional manner. Our location is  Egypt 
Bay North Kent if anybody wants to join us!
 
If any of you are still active on the band please keep an ear cocked,  
certainly at midday, wind permitting.
 
73
 
G3VTT
 
 



   

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In view of the fact that I seem to be hearing stations many times 
better than they are receiving me at the moment (!) I have started to 
make short audio recordings of stations on the band to give you all 
an idea of my receiver performance. You will find these at:
http://my.opera.com/davews/blog/2007/06/05/500khz-recordings

At the moment there are only G3KEV, G3UNT, G3VTT and G3XIZ there, but 
I will add to it from time to time until most of the active stations 
are there. (if anybody does NOT want to be there, please let me know 
and I will remove them).

It is difficult to indicate actually signal strength from an audio 
recording. Most of the above were s8-s9 on the meter and you will see 
that the signal to noise ratio is excellent with all of them way 
above the noise.

Hope this is of interest.

By the way I noticed that GW3UEP was to be on the band this morning 
from 0545 local. By the time I had seen his email it was already 0640 
and I heard nothing of him on 502.0. I don't think I have heard Roger 
yet, but that sort of time is rather early even for me!

73 Dave G3YMC

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Dear Hugh, Dave, LF Group,

Certainly in principle it is reversible - I suppose in principle you could
use a Rogowski coil as a coupling device, but due to the small mutual
inductance between the coil and the "antenna element", it would be extremely
inefficient, even before the losses in the wood were taken into account. On
the other hand, the conventional cored current transformer would be a
reasonable way to match to a very low inpedance antenna - I saw an HF loop
design somewhere that used this kind of arrangement.

I did check to see if the current was zero when the coil was not around a
tree - initially it wasn't, which is why I added the screen, which improved
things a lot. It didn't entirely eliminate the residual reading, but reduced
it to only a small fraction of the measured current levels. It isn't easy to
measure millivolts when you are in a kV/m field!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Dave

 

 Many thanks for info.

Will keep an eye on it.   May be less trouble than trying to cure the one we
have.

Panasonic tell us it is obsolete!

 

73

 

Mike

 

  _____  

Mike

I have an Olycom M1060 which has 6 extensions and doesn't cause any RFI.
There's one on Ebay at the moment item no. 260128676865

73
Dave 

 

PS Anyone know of an internal phone system -QRM free ? or a possible filter
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I have an Olycom M1060 which has 6 extensions and doesn't cause any RFI.
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Hello all,

 

Many thanks to all who responded to my troubles re the above.

 

When my son and colleagues arrived for work ( They run an on line retail
business)  this morning and read the deluge of e mails they shut all systems
down and we turned off the mains power supply. Fed underground.

The phone lines are also fed underground but fixed about 25cms above ground
for about 25m to the input socket.

Using the main transmit antenna, 14mm top loaded vertical, and using a
battery operated receiver the noise had disappeared completely. GI4DPE's
beacon was S7. Only just detected it previously.

 

I thought  we had been through this procedure before but with old age and
failing memory I now recall this was done in relation to 80 m noise some
time ago.

Switching power back on we then went through the laborious process of
shutting down the large amount of equipment-Server and network systems and
numerous PC terminals printers etc.

2 devices are causing the problem.

 

Firstly-fairly minor, a power supply to an HP 750 printer. Produces a
carrier across the band.

 

Secondly-- an internal telephone system. 20 line - 4 in use, Panasonic KXT
61610BE-" Electronic Modular Switching System"

The reason I associated the interference with broad band adsl was that using
a portable RX placed anywhere near the telephone line produced massive QRN,
even to the extent that I could detect it under ground.

I can only conclude that somehow this wonderful Electronic Modular Switching
System is feeding back down the phone lines. I am not knowledgeable enough
to know if this is possible but it certainly seems the case.

 

I am greatly indebted  to all who offered solutions and secured the co
operation of " workers" this end.

 

I just hope some other gremlin does not appear again

 

73s

 

Mike   GW4HXO.

 

PS Anyone know of an internal phone system -QRM free ? or a possible filter
solution ?


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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
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the
above.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>When my son and colleagues arrived for work ( They =
run an on
line retail business) &nbsp;this morning and read the deluge of e mails =
they
shut all systems down and we turned off the mains power supply. Fed
underground.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The phone lines are also fed underground but fixed =
about
25cms above ground for about 25m to the input =
socket.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Using the main transmit antenna, 14mm top loaded =
vertical,
and using a battery operated receiver the noise had disappeared =
completely.
GI4DPE&#8217;s beacon was S7. Only just detected it =
previously.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I thought &nbsp;we had been through this procedure =
before
but with old age and failing memory I now recall this was done in =
relation to
80 m noise some time ago.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Switching power back on we then went through the =
laborious process
of shutting down the large amount of equipment&#8212;Server and network =
systems
and numerous PC terminals printers etc.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>2 devices are causing the =
problem.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Firstly-fairly minor, a power supply to an HP 750 =
printer. Produces
a carrier across the band.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Secondly-- an internal telephone system. 20 line - 4 =
in use,
Panasonic KXT 61610BE&#8212;&#8220; Electronic Modular Switching =
System&#8221;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>The reason I associated the interference with broad =
band
adsl was that using a portable RX placed anywhere near the telephone =
line
produced massive QRN, even to the extent that I could detect it under =
ground.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I can only conclude that somehow this wonderful =
Electronic
Modular Switching System is feeding back down the phone lines. I am not
knowledgeable enough to know if this is possible but it certainly seems =
the
case.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I am greatly indebted &nbsp;to all who offered =
solutions and
secured the co operation of &#8220; workers&#8221; this =
end.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I just hope some other gremlin does not appear =
again<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>73s<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Mike &nbsp;&nbsp;GW4HXO.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>PS Anyone know of an internal phone system &#8211;QRM =
free ?
or a possible filter solution ?<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Gary,

      Where can I get the K7QO morse course? 
Thanks!


--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2
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 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> Hi All,
> 
> No operations from G4WGT for a while, I have had to dismantle the LF/MF & HF 
> antennas due to the imminent replacement of my leaky sagging garage roof. 
> Antennas removed to give the roofers a clean shot at the job. They should 
> have arrived this week but have not shown up yet, stern phone call required 
> tomorrow.
> 
> Will be back on as soon as roof  job done & antennas up.
> 
> In the mean time trying to improve my morse & confidence with K7QO morse 
> course which has been recommended by FISTS members I know.
> 
> 73
> 
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
> 
> http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/
> Web site updated 07/05/2007 
> 
> 



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Hi All,

No operations from G4WGT for a while, I have had to dismantle the LF/MF & HF 
antennas due to the imminent replacement of my leaky sagging garage roof. 
Antennas removed to give the roofers a clean shot at the job. They should 
have arrived this week but have not shown up yet, stern phone call required 
tomorrow.

Will be back on as soon as roof  job done & antennas up.

In the mean time trying to improve my morse & confidence with K7QO morse 
course which has been recommended by FISTS members I know.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/
Web site updated 07/05/2007 



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Nice signal from Dave, G3WCB on 137.695 kHz this morning.

A Capture can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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Victor and Jean Pierre,

Many thanks for the captures.  The aerial current was a full 5.0 amps
lasy night -- and all time record for this station.  Will give it
a cool down for the next few days.

73
Joe

On Thu, 14 Jun 2007, Victor van Kooten wrote:

> Captured 2:00 utc
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> 73
> Victor
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