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Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 12:00:53 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Re: 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1179849653" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 796 -------------------------------1179849653 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Another approach - as I have a number of crystals at the low end of 3.5 MHz and TTL devices in the junk box I built a 7400 oscillator feeding a 7490 decade counter wired to divide by 7. Although the mark/space ratio of the 7490 output is far from ideal I was surprised at how easy it was to get a clean looking 500kHz sine wave with a very simple filter. Peter, G3JFS In a message dated 22/05/2007 10:03:24 Greenwich Standard Time, g3kev.ham@virgin.net writes: It is so easy to get on 500. RE-Easy Start Xtal osc 5 mhz/div by 10/fet driver chip and fet pa in class E. A couple of hrs to build from the junk box. The psu can be the common 13.8v at a couple of amps max. Keep it simple. G3KEV ----- Original Message ----- From: _lawrence mayhead_ (mailto:laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com) To: _rsgb_ (mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: LF: 500kHz Hi Vic, Re. Linear Amp, have a look at design by SM0VPO (Ten Watt Linear Amplifier ) just Google, should find it. I use his basic design just put a few more turns on inductors. 73 Hope see you on 500. Laurie G3AQC. -------------------------------1179849653 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Another approach - as I have a number of crystals at the low end of 3.5= =20 MHz and TTL devices in the junk box I built=20 a 7400 oscillator feeding a 7490 decade counter wired to divi= de=20 by 7. Although the mark/space ratio of the 7490 output is far from=20 ideal I was surprised at how easy it was to get a clean=20 looking 500kHz sine wave with a very simple filter.

Peter, G3JFS

In a message dated 22/05/2007 10:03:24 Greenwich Standard Time,=20 g3kev.ham@virgin.net writes:

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It is so easy to get on 500.

RE-Easy Start

Xtal osc 5 mhz/div by 10/fet driver chip=20= and fet=20 pa in class E.

A couple of hrs to build from the junk bo= x.=20

The psu can be the common 13.8v at a coup= le of=20 amps max.

Keep it simple.

G3KEV

----- Original Message -----

Fr= om:=20 lawrence mayhead

To: rsgb

Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:58=20 PM

Subject: LF: 500kHz

Hi Vic,
Re. Linear Amp, have a look at design by SM0VP= O=20 (Ten Watt Linear Amplifier )
just Google, should find it.
I use hi= s=20 basic design just put a few more turns on inductors.
73 Hope see you=20= on=20 500.
Laurie G3AQC.

-------------------------------1179849653-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237139710949514374 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs262953hue; Tue, 22 May 2007 03:06:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.97.18 with SMTP id z18mr468820ugl.1179828368535; Tue, 22 May 2007 03:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q40si1273684ugc.2007.05.22.03.06.05; Tue, 22 May 2007 03:06:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqRC6-00064o-W7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:02:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqRC6-00064f-GR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:02:18 +0100 Received: from smtpout0139.sc1.he.tucows.com ([64.97.136.139] helo=n082.sc1.he.tucows.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqRC3-0006Qr-GJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:02:18 +0100 Received: from g3kev (62.252.232.59) by n082.sc1.he.tucows.com (7.2.069.1) id 4630CFCB00201E89 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 10:02:08 +0000 Message-ID: <000401c79c58$431e41e0$3be8fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: References: <88d2415e0705210758s6e977a4ek98d530023eb3c112@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:43:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.993,DATE_IN_PAST_12_24=0.881,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C79BCF.7A86AB10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 797 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C79BCF.7A86AB10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It is so easy to get on 500. RE-Easy Start Xtal osc 5 mhz/div by 10/fet driver chip and fet pa in class E. A couple of hrs to build from the junk box.=20 The psu can be the common 13.8v at a couple of amps max. Keep it simple. G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lawrence mayhead=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:58 PM Subject: LF: 500kHz Hi Vic, Re. Linear Amp, have a look at design by SM0VPO (Ten Watt Linear = Amplifier ) just Google, should find it. I use his basic design just put a few more turns on inductors. 73 Hope see you on 500. Laurie G3AQC. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C79BCF.7A86AB10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It is so easy to get on = 500.

RE-Easy Start

Xtal osc 5 mhz/div by 10/fet driver = chip and fet pa=20 in class E.

A couple of hrs to build from the junk = box.=20

The psu can be the common 13.8v at a = couple of amps=20 max.

Keep it simple.

G3KEV

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 lawrence mayhead =

To: rsgb

Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 2:58 = PM

Subject: LF: 500kHz

Hi Vic,
Re. Linear Amp, have a look at design by = SM0VPO (Ten=20 Watt Linear Amplifier )
just Google, should find it.
I use his = basic=20 design just put a few more turns on inductors.
73 Hope see you on=20 500.
Laurie G3AQC.
------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C79BCF.7A86AB10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237503626123321315 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs444954hue; Sat, 26 May 2007 03:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.115.14 with SMTP id s14mr3617209ugm.1180175425446; Sat, 26 May 2007 03:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id k2si6880666ugf.2007.05.26.03.30.22; Sat, 26 May 2007 03:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HrtSX-0005V1-Mh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 11:25:17 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HrtSX-0005Us-9G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 11:25:17 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.74]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrtSW-0003AX-F6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 11:25:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 87912 invoked from network); 26 May 2007 10:25:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=mucOkbiNYyh0Cma2aGcOpFibwyHh2+E/6eay/mQLcEg1XkyLfkXcomQVkpSAdCdBXCszAYN7qd8fFzsGFxu0bnOIxxzjgkc4+kJNQ2BG45MOb3a6JIro794hkeXD+uNYds8mUwengb8l3I41ZGTzE3goif2r9JTM5z5L+aFEKY4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.34.196 with login) by smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2007 10:25:09 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4G0MGisVM1noXZPWdqTAZpUDzNjmTKYHWMdB_.kT1NDGAGxi6oJhNtyA9HoSUBHp9bhXUcYYrw-- Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.472 [269.8.0/818]); Sat, 26 May 2007 11:25:21 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c79f80$2a56a460$c4227ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <000701c79ef8$58d0b7a0$42e8fc3e@g3kev> Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 11:25:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz ERP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1405 Dear Mal, LF Group, > To justify my ERP argument and keep the maths simple, look at examples > below. > > 1. 10W rf output to the antenna and an efficiency of the average antenna 1% > the ERP would be 0.1W erp... The maths is not quite as simple as this - to calculate ERP in this way, the directivity of the antenna compared to the reference 'half-wave dipole in free space' must also be included: ERP = (TX power) x (Antenna Efficiency) x (Directivity) Assuming the antenna is a vertical over a ground plane that is a small fraction of a wavelength long (or a small loop over a ground plane), its directivity can be assumed to be 2.6dB over a dipole, i.e. a factor of 1.8. So the ERP in your example would be 0.18W ERP. It is important to bear this in mind in correspondence with Ofcom! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237680762450670164 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs512183hue; Mon, 28 May 2007 02:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.16 with SMTP id f16mr4147856ugm.1180344355277; Mon, 28 May 2007 02:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id u1si5541879uge.2007.05.28.02.25.53; Mon, 28 May 2007 02:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HsbRS-0005YU-AT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:23:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HsbRR-0005YL-R9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:23:05 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsbRQ-0004ne-MD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:23:05 +0100 Received: (qmail 53534 invoked from network); 28 May 2007 09:22:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dave) (dsergeant@btinternet.com@86.139.21.103 with login) by smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2007 09:22:58 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: TWgreDYVM1mqO0CArlxh44yzddsPTqQn2d01V.eWXvmPNhhxl3KsmC0EWLeQYI6fHVco7Z9RybDRy6hj9yxoZmcPJgIePsr3pUoeRtjYzFl3For1 From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 10:22:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <465AAD72.4371.D8573D@dave.davesergeant.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary=Message-Boundary-15511 Subject: LF: (Fwd) [ukfivemegs] RAC - Canadian 135 kHz and 5 MHz Special Au X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1410 --Message-Boundary-15511 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Content-description: Mail message body I have just received this on the 5MHz reflector. Perhaps some of our VE friends can comment. 73 Dave G3YMC ------- Forwarded message follows ------- To: 'ukfivemegs' From: Trevor Date sent: Mon, 28 May 2007 10:17:22 +0100 (BST) Subject: [ukfivemegs] RAC - Canadian 135 kHz and 5 MHz Special Authorizations Terminated RAC - Canadian 135 kHz and 5 MHz Special Authorizations Terminated Special Authorizations for Canadian Amateur Radio Experiments at 135 kHz and 5 MHz to Cease 30 June 2007. Since 2001, at the request of RAC, Industry Canada has granted a number of special authorizations to some Canadian radio amateurs to conduct experiments in the band 135.7 - 137.8 kHz and at 5 MHz. These experiments have had, as one objective, the provision of data that would support the objectives of RAC and the IARU for possible new allocations to the Amateur Service at these frequencies. In accordance with the agreement between RAC and Industry Canada, all the special authorizations to Canadian radio amateurs will be terminated and transmissions must cease as of 30 June, 2007. Further special authorizations will depend on the outcomes of WRC-2007, scheduled for 22 October - 16 November, at which, on the initiative of Canada, a new, worldwide, secondary allocation to the Amateur Service at 135.7 - 137.8 kHz is on the agenda. A secondary allocation near 5 MHz may also arise at WRC-2007 as a consideration in the review of radio services in the band 4 - 10 MHz. Per the agreement for special authorizations, each experimenter is required to prepare a summary report of his experiments, which may be in the form of an article for TCA. 73 Trevor M5AKA ------- End of forwarded message ------- http://www.davesergeant.com --Message-Boundary-15511 Content-type: Application/Octet-stream; name="WPM$552D.PM$"; type=Plain text Content-description: Mail message body Content-disposition: attachment; filename="WPM$552D.PM$" Content-transfer-encoding: BASE64 UkFDIC0gQ2FuYWRpYW4gMTM1IGtIeiBhbmQgNSBNSHogU3BlY2lhbCBBdXRob3JpemF0aW9u cyBUZXJtaW5hdGVkIA0KDQpTcGVjaWFsIEF1dGhvcml6YXRpb25zIGZvciBDYW5hZGlhbiBB bWF0ZXVyIFJhZGlvIEV4cGVyaW1lbnRzIGF0IDEzNSBrSHoNCmFuZCA1IE1IeiB0byBDZWFz ZSAzMCBKdW5lIDIwMDcuDQoNClNpbmNlIDIwMDEsIGF0IHRoZSByZXF1ZXN0IG9mIFJBQywg SW5kdXN0cnkgQ2FuYWRhIGhhcyBncmFudGVkIGEgbnVtYmVyDQpvZiBzcGVjaWFsIGF1dGhv cml6YXRpb25zIHRvIHNvbWUgQ2FuYWRpYW4gcmFkaW8gYW1hdGV1cnMgdG8gY29uZHVjdA0K ZXhwZXJpbWVudHMgaW4gdGhlIGJhbmQgMTM1LjcgLSAxMzcuOCBrSHogYW5kIGF0IDUgTUh6 LiBUaGVzZQ0KZXhwZXJpbWVudHMgaGF2ZSBoYWQsIGFzIG9uZSBvYmplY3RpdmUsIHRoZSBw cm92aXNpb24gb2YgZGF0YSB0aGF0IHdvdWxkDQpzdXBwb3J0IHRoZSBvYmplY3RpdmVzIG9m IFJBQyBhbmQgdGhlIElBUlUgZm9yIHBvc3NpYmxlIG5ldyBhbGxvY2F0aW9ucw0KdG8gdGhl IEFtYXRldXIgU2VydmljZSBhdCB0aGVzZSBmcmVxdWVuY2llcy4gIEluIGFjY29yZGFuY2Ug d2l0aCB0aGUNCmFncmVlbWVudCBiZXR3ZWVuIFJBQyBhbmQgSW5kdXN0cnkgQ2FuYWRhLCBh bGwgdGhlIHNwZWNpYWwNCmF1dGhvcml6YXRpb25zIHRvIENhbmFkaWFuIHJhZGlvIGFtYXRl dXJzIHdpbGwgYmUgdGVybWluYXRlZCBhbmQNCnRyYW5zbWlzc2lvbnMgbXVzdCBjZWFzZSBh cyBvZiAzMCBKdW5lLCAyMDA3LiBGdXJ0aGVyIHNwZWNpYWwNCmF1dGhvcml6YXRpb25zIHdp bGwgZGVwZW5kIG9uIHRoZSBvdXRjb21lcyBvZiBXUkMtMjAwNywgc2NoZWR1bGVkIGZvciAy Mg0KT2N0b2JlciAtIDE2IE5vdmVtYmVyLCBhdCB3aGljaCwgb24gdGhlIGluaXRpYXRpdmUg b2YgQ2FuYWRhLCBhIG5ldywNCndvcmxkd2lkZSwgc2Vjb25kYXJ5IGFsbG9jYXRpb24gdG8g dGhlIEFtYXRldXIgU2VydmljZSBhdCAxMzUuNyAtIDEzNy44DQprSHogaXMgb24gdGhlIGFn ZW5kYS4gQSBzZWNvbmRhcnkgYWxsb2NhdGlvbiBuZWFyIDUgTUh6IG1heSBhbHNvIGFyaXNl DQphdCBXUkMtMjAwNyBhcyBhIGNvbnNpZGVyYXRpb24gaW4gdGhlIHJldmlldyBvZiByYWRp byBzZXJ2aWNlcyBpbiB0aGUNCmJhbmQgNCAtIDEwIE1Iei4gIFBlciB0aGUgYWdyZWVtZW50 IGZvciBzcGVjaWFsIGF1dGhvcml6YXRpb25zLCBlYWNoDQpleHBlcmltZW50ZXIgaXMgcmVx dWlyZWQgdG8gcHJlcGFyZSBhIHN1bW1hcnkgcmVwb3J0IG9mIGhpcyBleHBlcmltZW50cywN CndoaWNoIG1heSBiZSBpbiB0aGUgZm9ybSBvZiBhbiBhcnRpY2xlIGZvciBUQ0EuIA0KDQo3 MyBUcmV2b3IgTTVBS0ENCi0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLQ0KRGFpbHkgQW1hdGV1ciBSYWRpbyBS U1MgTmV3czogaHR0cDovL3d3dy5zb3V0aGdhdGVhcmMub3JnLyANCkVtYWlsIHlvdXIgbmV3 cyBpdGVtcyB0bzogZWRpdG9yIGF0IHNvdXRoZ2F0ZWFyYy5vcmcgDQoNCk5ld3MgT24gWW91 ciBXZWJzaXRlOiBodHRwOi8vd3d3LnNvdXRoZ2F0ZWFyYy5vcmcvcnNzL2luZGV4Lmh0bSAN Ck5ld3MgT24gWW91ciBQQzogaHR0cDovL3d3dy5zb3V0aGdhdGVhcmMub3JnL3Jzcy9uZXdz cmVhZGVyLmh0bSANClVwbG9hZCBZb3VyIE5ld3M6IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cuc291dGhnYXRlYXJj Lm9yZy9uZXdzL3lvdXJfbmV3cy5odG0gDQotLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0tLS0gDQoNCg0KDQoNCgkN CgkNCgkJDQpfX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19fX19f X19fX19fX19fX19fXyANCk5ldyBZYWhvbyEgTWFpbCBpcyB0aGUgdWx0aW1hdGUgZm9yY2Ug aW4gY29tcGV0aXRpdmUgZW1haWxpbmcuIEZpbmQgb3V0IG1vcmUgYXQgdGhlIFlhaG9vISBN YWlsIENoYW1waW9uc2hpcHMuIFBsdXM6IHBsYXkgZ2FtZXMgYW5kIHdpbiBwcml6ZXMuIA0K aHR0cDovL3VrLnJkLnlhaG9vLmNvbS9ldnQ9NDQxMDYvKmh0dHA6Ly9tYWlsLnlhaG9vLm5l dC91ayANCg0KDQogDQpZYWhvbyEgR3JvdXBzIExpbmtzDQoNCjwqPiBUbyB2aXNpdCB5b3Vy IGdyb3VwIG9uIHRoZSB3ZWIsIGdvIHRvOg0KICAgIGh0dHA6Ly9ncm91cHMueWFob28uY29t L2dyb3VwL3VrZml2ZW1lZ3MvDQoNCjwqPiBZb3VyIGVtYWlsIHNldHRpbmdzOg0KICAgIElu ZGl2aWR1YWwgRW1haWwgfCBUcmFkaXRpb25hbA0KDQo8Kj4gVG8gY2hhbmdlIHNldHRpbmdz IG9ubGluZSBnbyB0bzoNCiAgICBodHRwOi8vZ3JvdXBzLnlhaG9vLmNvbS9ncm91cC91a2Zp dmVtZWdzL2pvaW4NCiAgICAoWWFob28hIElEIHJlcXVpcmVkKQ0KDQo8Kj4gVG8gY2hhbmdl IHNldHRpbmdzIHZpYSBlbWFpbDoNCiAgICBtYWlsdG86dWtmaXZlbWVncy1kaWdlc3RAeWFo b29ncm91cHMuY29tIA0KICAgIG1haWx0bzp1a2ZpdmVtZWdzLWZ1bGxmZWF0dXJlZEB5YWhv b2dyb3Vwcy5jb20NCg0KPCo+IFRvIHVuc3Vic2NyaWJlIGZyb20gdGhpcyBncm91cCwgc2Vu ZCBhbiBlbWFpbCB0bzoNCiAgICB1a2ZpdmVtZWdzLXVuc3Vic2NyaWJlQHlhaG9vZ3JvdXBz LmNvbQ0KDQo8Kj4gWW91ciB1c2Ugb2YgWWFob28hIEdyb3VwcyBpcyBzdWJqZWN0IHRvOg0K ICAgIGh0dHA6Ly9kb2NzLnlhaG9vLmNvbS9pbmZvL3Rlcm1zLw0KIA0K --Message-Boundary-15511-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237001827694977831 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs203745hue; 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Sun, 20 May 2007 22:32:08 +0100 Received: (qmail 61544 invoked from network); 20 May 2007 21:32:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Importance:X-MimeOLE; b=Bo04516t0JtrWH+PXS35XQIUyS0O9wrBcElsd1sQYf+nLOgJVKXYM6/rTmJnSVDUpsHY2xLTWHr6QlbOQlzDPbkSIuwsNmfIcbrmgTI/9SntUFO7o1DG1H0QYmTsbCMMUpy/dfM5jQIJPRAKkQZa78TBxaQkYxl4WlEy6WBJJY0= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.132.155.147 with login) by smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 May 2007 21:32:01 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: oo5SRZ0VM1kyX9Lx7JhZg7vynDj5QAn1SA4WD2l64mdyznpZa8pS2jSB6vG3xN4CG6dvCfyYZw-- From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 22:32:21 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <000401c79b25$90490bf0$0600a8c0@rtv5f9d8dfdf44> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.594,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: RE: : [500] _G3XAQ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01C79B2E.BB5C2E90" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1414 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C79B2E.BB5C2E90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Bob, Yes, I am transmitting now. The message is "TEST G3WCB". I'll continue until 2300 UTC. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom�r Bobal�k Sent: 20 May 2007 22:27 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: : [500] _G3XAQ Hi Dave! I see weak signal on 503.33kHz. If you transmitting, then I correctly identify one letter "B" Bob, OK2BVG, JN88KS **************************************************************************** ****************************** -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 10:49 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: : [500] _G3XAQ Hi, Bob. I will be in QRSS3 beacon mode from 2040 utc until 2300 UTC tonight. My frequency is 503.330 kHz. Sorry I missed the beginning of the slot, but I have just returned to the shack. Reports most welcome. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom�r Bobal�k Sent: 20 May 2007 09:21 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: [500] _G3XAQ Hi Dave! Sorry, I had listened nothing so I went to sleep. I will be glad to try listen signal G3WCB on 503.330kHz. I am going to be ready for a test in QRSS3 mode this night from 20:00 to 22:00 UT. OK? I understand, that ERP some miliwats is no problem between stations from UK. My station is 1500 km away from UK, so if I listen nothing, I consider it as normal. But tests on 500kHz band are very, very interesting. I erlier listened GI4DPE and G3KEV. All depends on QRN and conditions. 73, Bob, OK2BVG, JN88KS **************************************************************************** ****************************************** -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:52 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: [500] _G3XAQ Hi, Bob. I can put out a QRSS 3 beacon transmission on 503.330 kHz if you wish. Gary G4WGT is also currently on QRSS 3 Beacon mode on 503.60 kHz, "O" copy at this location 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom�r Bobal�k Sent: 18 May 2007 22:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: [500] _G3XAQ Sri, but no signal on 502kHz here. I am going to continue listening, may be I can capture some cw later. Bob, OK2BVG ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01C79B2E.BB5C2E90 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,=20 Bob,

Yes, I=20 am transmitting now. The message is "TEST G3WCB". I'll continue until = 2300=20 UTC.

73, Dave = G3WCB=20 IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of = Lubom=EDr=20 Bobal=EDk
Sent: 20 May 2007 22:27
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: : [500] _G3XAQ = <G3WCB Beacon mode?>

Hi=20 Dave!

I see weak = signal on=20 503.33kHz. If you transmitting, then I correctly identify one letter = „B“=20

Bob, = OK2BVG,=20 JN88KS

******************************************************************= ****************************************

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of Dave=20 G3WCB
Sent: Sunday, = May 20,=20 2007 10:49 PM
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: : [500] _G3XAQ = <G3WCB=20 Beacon mode?>

Hi,=20 Bob.

I will=20 be in QRSS3 beacon mode from 2040 utc until 2300 UTC tonight. My = frequency is=20 503.330 kHz. Sorry I missed the beginning of the slot, but I have just = returned to the shack. Reports most=20 welcome.

73, Dave=20 G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom=EDr=20 Bobal=EDk
Sent: = 20 May 2007=20 09:21
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: [500] _G3XAQ = <Beacon mode?>

Hi=20 Dave!

Sorry,=20 I had listened nothing so I went to sleep. I will be glad to try = listen=20 signal G3WCB on 503.330kHz. I am going to be ready for a test in = QRSS3 mode=20 this night from 20:00 to 22:00 UT. OK?

I=20 understand, that ERP some miliwats is no problem between stations = from UK.=20 My station is 1500 km away from UK, so if I listen nothing, I = consider it as=20 normal. But tests on 500kHz band are very, very interesting. I = erlier=20 listened GI4DPE and G3KEV. All depends on QRN and=20 conditions.

73,=20 Bob, OK2BVG, JN88KS

******************************************************************= ****************************************************

-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave = G3WCB
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 = 11:52=20 PM
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: [500] _G3XAQ = <Beacon=20 mode?>

Hi,=20 Bob.

I can=20 put out a QRSS 3 beacon transmission on 503.330 kHz if you wish. = Gary G4WGT=20 is also currently on QRSS 3 Beacon mode on 503.60 kHz, "O" copy at = this=20 location

73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM
-----Original=20 Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom=EDr=20 Bobal=EDk
Sent: = 18 May 2007=20 22:38
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: [500]=20 _G3XAQ

Sri, = but no=20 signal on 502kHz here. I am going to continue listening, may be I = can=20 capture some cw later.

Bob,=20 = OK2BVG

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Putting out a CQ if anybody is around........

G3VTT

-------------------------------1180645494-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237561267523797451 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs473194hue; Sat, 26 May 2007 22:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.99.1 with SMTP id b1mr4250036ugm.1180245389430; Sat, 26 May 2007 22:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q40si4220714ugc.2007.05.26.22.56.27; Sat, 26 May 2007 22:56:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HsBhS-0000br-1e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:53:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HsBhR-0000bi-NM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:53:53 +0100 Received: from fep06.xtra.co.nz ([210.54.141.240]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsBhQ-0001rQ-J7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:53:53 +0100 Received: from acer3f31164f8b ([219.89.134.204]) by fep06.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20070527055344.CTZ16296.fep06.xtra.co.nz@acer3f31164f8b> for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 17:53:44 +1200 Message-ID: <003601c7a023$64d5a110$0401010a@acer3f31164f8b> From: "Mike McAlevey" To: References: <999493.49098.qm@web86404.mail.ird.yahoo.com>, <002701c7a000$549ba880$0401010a@acer3f31164f8b> <4659275E.20409.1810C4@dave.davesergeant.com> Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:53:47 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: QRSS on 500 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1440 Hello Dave, yes, 'widely used' might have been stretching it a bit. Perhaps the numbers would be comparable to its LF use? Certainly QRSS is used daily on HF in many countries. I enjoy it, just as I do running 500 watts. We look forward to using 500kHz in this country some day and follow your experiments with interest. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237561267523797451 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs472976hue; Sat, 26 May 2007 22:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.119.9 with SMTP id w9mr4247689ugm.1180244612476; Sat, 26 May 2007 22:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id e34si7558558ugd.2007.05.26.22.43.26; Sat, 26 May 2007 22:43:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HsBSY-0000VR-GT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:38:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HsBSY-0000VI-4L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:38:30 +0100 Received: from smtp801.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.61]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsBSX-0001lw-1J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:38:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 55881 invoked from network); 27 May 2007 05:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dave) (dsergeant@btinternet.com@86.139.21.103 with login) by smtp801.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2007 05:38:19 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: B62OqgAVM1n9deemF.8mEx808B.27w1kf.dAvl6B_Sxi1KS.muvaqElO.Y21hh1.HBUTWYbJL3i.4VEp34YZUz4lzXipNBazQ4_AregiH5PilQ9D From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 06:38:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4659275E.20409.1810C4@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <002701c7a000$549ba880$0401010a@acer3f31164f8b> References: <999493.49098.qm@web86404.mail.ird.yahoo.com>, <002701c7a000$549ba880$0401010a@acer3f31164f8b> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: QRSS on 500 kHz Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1441 On 27 May 2007 at 13:42, Mike McAlevey wrote: > Mal, > > >This LMCW mode is not used on any other amateur band, so why 500 > > QRSS is widely used on 40m and especially 30m and sometimes on all the > other HF bands. It allows most enjoyable QRPP contacts between > stations with minimal antenna space. > > Mike ZL4OL This needs qualifying. Yes, I gather there are some people using QRSS on these bands. They specifically use microwatt type power levels so the casual listener doesn't hear them at all, and they are concentrated on one or two spot frequencies in a band far wider than our LF allocations. To say they are 'widely used' is perhaps stetching it just a little. It depends what you call enjoyable. I have lots of pleasure with 5W of QRP on HFand normal CW. I am not sure I would find a QSO taking the best part of an hour with minimal factual content a particularly enjoyable experience, but obviously there are some who do. On the subject of power levels, signal levels around the UK on 500kHz with 100mW erp shows there is little real need for 1-10W erp except for longer distance - the vast majority are already at least 579, some even 599. I myself have managed a few QSOs with 3mW erp in an 'impossible' qth, I don't consider myself disadvantaged, rather I have a few things to improve. 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237561267523797451 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs468848hue; Sat, 26 May 2007 18:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.242.5 with SMTP id p5mr4118056ugh.1180230395779; Sat, 26 May 2007 18:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 27si9528738ugp.2007.05.26.18.46.33; Sat, 26 May 2007 18:46:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hs7md-0007AM-Sd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 02:42:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hs7md-0007AD-Ex for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 02:42:59 +0100 Received: from fep04.xtra.co.nz ([210.54.141.242]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hs7mb-0003AA-NE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 02:42:59 +0100 Received: from acer3f31164f8b ([219.89.134.204]) by fep04.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20070527014244.HFZQ8724.fep04.xtra.co.nz@acer3f31164f8b> for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 13:42:44 +1200 Message-ID: <002701c7a000$549ba880$0401010a@acer3f31164f8b> From: "Mike McAlevey" To: References: <999493.49098.qm@web86404.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <001101c79fad$80dec470$82d0fc3e@g3kev> Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 13:42:47 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: QRSS on 500 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0024_01C7A064.E962D290" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1442 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C7A064.E962D290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mal, >This LMCW mode is not used on any other amateur band, so why 500 QRSS is widely used on 40m and especially 30m and sometimes on all the = other HF bands. It allows most enjoyable QRPP contacts between stations = with minimal antenna space.=20 Mike ZL4OL ------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C7A064.E962D290 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Mal,

>This LMCW mode is not used on any = other amateur=20 band, so why 500

QRSS is widely used on 40m and = especially 30m and=20 sometimes on all the other HF bands. It allows most enjoyable QRPP = contacts=20 between stations with minimal antenna space.

Mike ZL4OL

------=_NextPart_000_0024_01C7A064.E962D290-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237977017884589342 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs78420hue; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.154.2 with SMTP id g2mr1853103qbo.1180646548504; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 6si348220nfv.2007.05.31.14.22.26; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:22:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hts35-0007mO-KH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:19:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hts35-0007mF-8R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:19:11 +0100 Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hts33-0007BP-DN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:19:11 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id l.bf3.1098da5b (40521) for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 17:18:13 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:18:13 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Winrad V1.25 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_bf3.1098da5b.33909595_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1453 --part1_bf3.1098da5b.33909595_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alberto - I'd be very interested in learning about the concept behind this despread=20 function. Wouldn't you need some sort of a priori information about the phas= e=20 evolution? Kind regards Markus, DF6NM=20 In einer eMail vom 31.05.2007 15:52:18 GMT-Normalzeit schreibt=20 dibene@usa.net:=20 > - Implementation of an _experimental_ despreading functions, meant for 10=20 > GHz (and above) signals reflected from the > moon, with the consequent spreading of a few hundred Hz. I have tested th= is=20 > function only with synthetic signals > produced with the MWCW program set for 0 dB S/N ratio, as I don't have 10=20 > GHz EME capabilities. > Please bear in mind that this function is _experimental_ and far from bein= g=20 > final. > I will update this night or tomorrow the User Guide to fully explain how t= o=20 > use this function =20 --part1_bf3.1098da5b.33909595_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Alberto -

I'd be very interested in learning about the concept behind this despread fu= nction. Wouldn't you need some sort of a priori information about the phase=20= evolution?

Kind regards
Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 31.05.2007 15:52:18 GMT-Normalzeit schreibt dibene@usa.ne= t:

- Implementation of an _experim= ental_ despreading functions, meant for 10 GHz (and above) signals reflected= from the
moon, with the consequent spreading of a few hundred Hz. I have tested= this function only with synthetic signals
produced with the MWCW program set for 0 dB S/N ratio, as I don't have 10 GH= z EME capabilities.
Please bear in mind that this function is _experimental_ and far from being=20= final.
I will update this night or tomorrow the User Guide to fully explain how to=20= use this function

--part1_bf3.1098da5b.33909595_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237977017884589342 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs66438hue; Thu, 31 May 2007 08:54:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.28.13 with SMTP id b13mr711745agb.1180626886361; Thu, 31 May 2007 08:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 1si661002nfv.2007.05.31.08.54.43; Thu, 31 May 2007 08:54:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HtmwF-0005ri-4e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:51:47 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HtmwE-0005rZ-J6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:51:46 +0100 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net ([165.212.64.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HtmwA-0006DC-Ja for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 16:51:46 +0100 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net (cmsout03.mbox.net [165.212.64.33]) by cmsout03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B2475E07 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 15:51:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.132] by cmsout03.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.34P) with ESMTP id XID472LeEPzA2770X03; Thu, 31 May 2007 15:51:26 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.132 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID472LeEPzA2770X03 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.77.90.247] by cmsapps03.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.31J) with ESMTP id 035LeEPzy0264M39; Thu, 31 May 2007 15:51:23 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.77.90.247 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <465EEEFE.3090601@usa.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 17:51:26 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LF Mailing List References: <004e01c79610$0592d320$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <4648D997.4050707@usa.net> <004301c797c9$f26e8b20$0300a8c0@lark> <464C8AC5.5090200@usa.net> <4654645A.9070707@weaksignals.com> In-Reply-To: <4654645A.9070707@weaksignals.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.3.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID035LeEPzy0264X39 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Winrad V1.25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1454 Today is the 31st of May, and Winrad V1.24 will stop working at midnight. I have uploaded a new version, V1.25, only to the mirror site http://www.winrad.org as the main weaksignals site is temporarily unreachable via the FTP. Probably they are doing some maintenance. In addition to a prolonged expiration limit, the main changes of V.25 wrt V1.24 are the following : - Audio buffers locked in memory, to prevent them from being swapped out in case of RAM shortage. - Implementation of an _experimental_ despreading functions, meant for 10 GHz (and above) signals reflected from the moon, with the consequent spreading of a few hundred Hz. I have tested this function only with synthetic signals produced with the MWCW program set for 0 dB S/N ratio, as I don't have 10 GHz EME capabilities. Please bear in mind that this function is _experimental_ and far from being final. I will update this night or tomorrow the User Guide to fully explain how to use this function. As soon as the weaksignals site will be reachable again, I will update that too. For the time being, please use the mirror, thanks. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237811796637913305 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs578742hue; Tue, 29 May 2007 14:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.218.15 with SMTP id q15mr52606ugg.1180472755303; Tue, 29 May 2007 14:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 32si131565ugf.2007.05.29.14.05.52; Tue, 29 May 2007 14:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ht8q2-0003xN-Fg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 22:02:42 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ht8q1-0003xE-TB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 22:02:41 +0100 Received: from web86410.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.22]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ht8pw-0000F7-Cn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 22:02:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 11950 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2007 21:02:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=N/vFycOip4rEQ4NScdKG3PP6ivWNuZqKdfmb4QBiTCryHbEGkt97DFE+npHMWxAQeRxeHncCfFX/okz9SzGk1zn5+9g1Qsafcl9FypkK6dFSqmn+yivSL0ob4n/sXqywR13T/BYUrZNK/WrImevmOIFDQAGQBU9zPr6HS1+5FM8=; X-YMail-OSG: igbxd28VM1mUCNBwNnppFffMAv1vyra5RK0XdMrqZczSAgbWXOddt44PcJ8KJ8qdSu60gZAx9EWEzfhFWp0vzSedGiDNPPpLDlUhY1ym2QeyZy28xMbYCTWQJhg- Received: from [80.6.40.58] by web86410.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2007 22:02:30 BST Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 22:02:30 +0100 (BST) From: CHRISTOPHER OSBORN To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <465C9AC2.25205.3363029@dave.davesergeant.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <870430.11412.qm@web86410.mail.ird.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength Meter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1617978644-1180472550=:11412" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1456 --0-1617978644-1180472550=:11412 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It was good to work you again yesterday Dave. You were absolutely Q5 and solid copy. I heard you calling CQ later and were just as strong if not stronger. Yes I know my VFO isn't too good and am looking into it even as we speak. I'd appreciate that recording. 73 Chris XIZ Dave Sergeant wrote: On 29 May 2007 at 21:05, CHRISTOPHER OSBORN wrote: > If I wanted to be pedantic then presumably we should ensure that we > measure no more than 25 mW ERP to allow for the worst case uncertainty > (tongue in cheek!) I think I am safe with my 3mW erp.... at least it reaches Biggleswade. Incidentally after we worked yesterday Dave G3WCB sent me a wav recording of the QSO and an Argo screen shot. Our signals sounded very similar with him and it was nice to listen to my keying at a distance. As Dave commented to me the Argo shot shows that my VXO tx is stable apart from a very slow, hardly visible, drift. Your TX has a noticeable downward drift of around 5Hz at the start of each over. I think you use a VFO? I can send you these (converted to a .mp3 and much smaller) if you are interested Chris. 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Tryit now. --0-1617978644-1180472550=:11412 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It was good to work you again yesterday Dave.
You were absolutely Q5 and solid copy.
I heard you calling CQ later and were just as strong if not stronger.

Yes I know my VFO isn't too good and am looking into it even as we speak.
I'd appreciate that recording.

73 Chris XIZ

Dave Sergeant <dave@davesergeant.com> wrote:

On 29 May 2007 at 21:05, CHRISTOPHER OSBORN wrote:

> If I wanted to be pedantic then presumably we should ensure that we
> measure no more than 25 mW ERP to allow for the worst case uncertainty
> (tongue in cheek!)

I think I am safe with my 3mW erp.... at least it reaches
Biggleswade.

Incidentally after we worked yesterday Dave G3WCB sent me a wav
recording of the QSO and an Argo screen shot. Our signals sounded
very similar with him and it was nice to listen to my keying at a
distance. As Dave commented to me the Argo shot shows that my VXO tx
is stable apart from a very slow, hardly visible, drift. Your TX has
a noticeable downward drift of around 5Hz at the start of each over.
I think you use a VFO?

I can send you these (converted to a .mp3 and much smaller) if you
are interested Chris.

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com

Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. --0-1617978644-1180472550=:11412-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237811796637913305 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs577113hue; Tue, 29 May 2007 13:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.115.7 with SMTP id s7mr29746ugm.1180470631590; Tue, 29 May 2007 13:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o24si93057ugd.2007.05.29.13.30.28; Tue, 29 May 2007 13:30:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ht8I2-0003kA-T4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 21:27:34 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ht8I2-0003k1-DI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 21:27:34 +0100 Received: from smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.68]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ht8I1-0008Ve-7O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 21:27:34 +0100 Received: (qmail 15890 invoked from network); 29 May 2007 20:27:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dave) (dsergeant@btinternet.com@86.139.21.103 with login) by smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2007 20:27:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BI5cTDsVM1m4A2cfSG62qN2Gx_6dKjJ9Y5HVFfqVA7MpVl9txESsdCJwy.3Ax4y1saqGsV552u.R3ViulHTcflAf1tKztH6.UkvwNLlTiJN0eBCV From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 21:27:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <465C9AC2.25205.3363029@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <341873.21191.qm@web86408.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <341873.21191.qm@web86408.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Field Strength Meter Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1457 On 29 May 2007 at 21:05, CHRISTOPHER OSBORN wrote: > If I wanted to be pedantic then presumably we should ensure that we > measure no more than 25 mW ERP to allow for the worst case uncertainty > (tongue in cheek!) I think I am safe with my 3mW erp.... at least it reaches Biggleswade. Incidentally after we worked yesterday Dave G3WCB sent me a wav recording of the QSO and an Argo screen shot. Our signals sounded very similar with him and it was nice to listen to my keying at a distance. As Dave commented to me the Argo shot shows that my VXO tx is stable apart from a very slow, hardly visible, drift. Your TX has a noticeable downward drift of around 5Hz at the start of each over. I think you use a VFO? I can send you these (converted to a .mp3 and much smaller) if you are interested Chris. 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237811796637913305 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs576169hue; Tue, 29 May 2007 13:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr35787ugg.1180469319628; Tue, 29 May 2007 13:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 59si70829ugf.2007.05.29.13.08.36; Tue, 29 May 2007 13:08:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ht7wd-0003bP-FS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 21:05:27 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ht7wd-0003bG-0a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 21:05:27 +0100 Received: from web86408.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.125]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ht7wb-0008Nz-3X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 21:05:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 21631 invoked by uid 60001); 29 May 2007 20:05:19 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=byWEj66KNhNDDZR5W8cZCbLoKIcpe9m1/k8RPsm8HURg+gPhRcH3LW2FryFwMrBxXR/ZUYVt44RXDhIAaHZapAZ84oY/e7hfk3kjSeP4FHmOB6xWOC6BFyunBaqZZZEmWL4sIwr6KWPzof4Oyq0FkuMyusiZkiqMn25k1Fbq1d8=; X-YMail-OSG: 5FqOWpQVM1mH1pVOM6rlJ4u072YwkCatJrn7SOJLkhiO6.MmDS7Euq7D_vwxszvfLUSlZ81c.51IOOJh_C9cmTHZtpO8pcKD_42zo_7t0W4xibfd8fbVw9byOFk- Received: from [80.6.40.58] by web86408.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2007 21:05:18 BST Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 21:05:18 +0100 (BST) From: CHRISTOPHER OSBORN To: LF group MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <341873.21191.qm@web86408.mail.ird.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1637565849-1180469118=:21191" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1458 --0-1637565849-1180469118=:21191 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This bank holiday I finished PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenter's Handbook) duly modified for 500 kc/s. I knocked up Helmholtz coils of almost identical proportions to those in Dick's published design and with these calibrated the F/S meter. Initial results look very promising and the meter seems quite linear up to my calibrated maximum of 6 mV/m. This evening I trudged around the fields in Biggleswade making sundry readings, while my PC/TX put out a test signal every 3 minutes. If (?) my calculations are correct then I have an ERP of 40 mW averaged over 3 (1 km distant) readings. I know this is not much of a sample but initial results are satisfactory and fairly consistent. Apparently I am told that field strength measurement uncertainties are notoriously high - one RadCom informed letter suggests by as much as 6 dB. If I wanted to be pedantic then presumably we should ensure that we measure no more than 25 mW ERP to allow for the worst case uncertainty (tongue in cheek!) 73 Chris G3XIZ --------------------------------- Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. Do it now... --0-1637565849-1180469118=:21191 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This bank holiday I finished PA0SE's field strength meter (LF Experimenter's Handbook) duly modified for 500 kc/s.

I knocked up Helmholtz coils of almost identical proportions to those in Dick's published design and with these calibrated the F/S meter.
Initial results look very promising and the meter seems quite linear up to my calibrated maximum of 6 mV/m.

This evening I trudged around the fields in Biggleswade making sundry readings, while my PC/TX put out a test signal every 3 minutes.
If (?) my calculations are correct then I have an ERP of 40 mW averaged over 3 (1 km distant) readings.
I know this is not much of a sample but initial results are satisfactory and fairly consistent.

Apparently I am told that field strength measurement uncertainties are notoriously high - one RadCom informed letter suggests by as much as 6 dB.
If I wanted to be pedantic then presumably we should ensure that we measure no more than 25 mW ERP to allow for the worst case uncertainty (tongue in cheek!)

73 Chris G3XIZ

Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. Do it now... --0-1637565849-1180469118=:21191-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237580967029218840 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs474334hue; Sat, 26 May 2007 23:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.116.15 with SMTP id t15mr4261537ugm.1180249182751; Sat, 26 May 2007 23:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id m4si8386272ugc.2007.05.26.23.59.40; Sat, 26 May 2007 23:59:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HsCg5-0000oB-N7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 07:56:33 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HsCg5-0000o2-9x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 07:56:33 +0100 Received: from mail3.uklinux.net ([80.84.72.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsCg4-0005PR-Gc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 07:56:33 +0100 Received: from o (bts-0694.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.50.182]) by mail3.uklinux.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 07C8B40A070 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:56:25 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <009801c7a02c$27bab0a0$ff7ee150@o> From: "Gw3UEP" To: References: <999493.49098.qm@web86404.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <8bf118410705261200t6392fe65j76a0384e7cf3dd41@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 07:56:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 G3YXM... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0095_01C7A034.87FC7040" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1462 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C7A034.87FC7040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave, Did you get my mail asking about your GM Rx? Rog. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dave Pick=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:00 PM Subject: Re: LF: QRSS on 500 kHz ------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C7A034.87FC7040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =EF=BB=BF

Dave, Did you get my mail asking about = your GM=20 Rx?

Rog.

----- Original Message -----=20

From: Dave Pick=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20

Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 8:00 PM

Subject: Re: LF: QRSS on 500 kHz

------=_NextPart_000_0095_01C7A034.87FC7040-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237692589656691528 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs517714hue; Mon, 28 May 2007 05:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.30.6 with SMTP id h6mr5248725ugj.1180355635429; Mon, 28 May 2007 05:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id y1si4632671uge.2007.05.28.05.33.52; Mon, 28 May 2007 05:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HseML-0006Fw-0d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 13:30:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HseMK-0006Fi-Bk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 13:30:00 +0100 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HseMI-0006CR-1W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 13:30:00 +0100 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id b21so436504ana for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 05:29:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=KrzTjxtMqGNhtCxiOyRlGQqoymLJz6Qv9hiwiWP5yrp+0XZnA8F6z7s42UkGH7hvt0EOuMN7aTncEUBBHq4C3hGmcJKnNOLGWsqO6nK/sVjAMJJuvgkkXy3+icRBbt5QaVmXpyxyfCEd+YOLljA34UP27c4mPzBwEltJ9qeVdQY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=dNs9HRnv8pIo07QEthyuQBKEL6rg+hLDaZ6zBgZbTyMxoDd1vamTVLk+Kav1VSHk72F+KT6FRh8IJA6nkfZBG8URKiSygYd1E5hrI2POBdkFjtYKUjri2sGjZrwAW++5TtpyAN93+jVrYU7SI1XhV/eg20WcoLb3azkQ+c3Q5ao= Received: by 10.78.186.9 with SMTP id j9mr1626326huf.1180355396107; Mon, 28 May 2007 05:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.42.8 with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2007 05:29:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1f0624b90705280529o4ff529edyb0c2c35fee436393@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 13:29:56 +0100 From: "William Gary Taylor" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_136114_8478924.1180355396079" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1463 ------=_Part_136114_8478924.1180355396079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi LF, Problems with ISP, set up temp account at Google, this is just a test. 73 Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp ------=_Part_136114_8478924.1180355396079 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

Hi LF,

Problems with ISP, set up temp account at Google, this is just a test.

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

------=_Part_136114_8478924.1180355396079-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237004981807244249 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs204515hue; Sun, 20 May 2007 15:24:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.40.12 with SMTP id s12mr2940089ugj.1179699880145; Sun, 20 May 2007 15:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si6423803ugf.2007.05.20.15.24.37; Sun, 20 May 2007 15:24:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HptmQ-0000iL-Q2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:21:34 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HptmP-0000i8-Hn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:21:33 +0100 Received: from proxy45.bvx.cz ([212.96.165.45]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HptmO-0005uC-7h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:21:33 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by proxy45.bvx.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB1A4E4FFB for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 00:23:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at smtp.bvx.cz Received: from proxy45.bvx.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (proxy45.bvx.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j-L2qyStGaKT for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 00:23:42 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rtv5f9d8dfdf44 (u-220-36.breclav.lan [192.168.220.36]) by proxy45.bvx.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BE214E4FDB for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 00:23:42 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Lubom=EDr_Bobal=EDk?= To: Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 00:21:22 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c79b2d$32aa6590$0600a8c0@rtv5f9d8dfdf44> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: FW: [500] _G3XIZ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C79B3D.F6333590" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1466 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C79B3D.F6333590 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C79B3D.F6333590" ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C79B3D.F6333590 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Lubom=EDr Bobal=EDk [mailto:lubomir.bobalik@rtv5.cz]=20 Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:55 PM To: 'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org' Subject: [500] _G3WCB_G3XIZ =20 Hi Dave and Chris! Yessss, now I have seen both yours signals. It is superb!!! =20 Bob =20 ************************************************************************ *** =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:32 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: RE: : [500] _G3XAQ =20 Hi, Bob, =20 Yes, I am transmitting now. The message is "TEST G3WCB". I'll continue until 2300 UTC. =20 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom=EDr = Bobal=EDk Sent: 20 May 2007 22:27 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: : [500] _G3XAQ Hi Dave! I see weak signal on 503.33kHz. If you transmitting, then I correctly identify one letter "B"=20 =20 Bob, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 ************************************************************************ ********************************** -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 10:49 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: : [500] _G3XAQ =20 Hi, Bob. =20 I will be in QRSS3 beacon mode from 2040 utc until 2300 UTC tonight. My frequency is 503.330 kHz. Sorry I missed the beginning of the slot, but I have just returned to the shack. Reports most welcome. =20 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom=EDr = Bobal=EDk Sent: 20 May 2007 09:21 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: [500] _G3XAQ Hi Dave! Sorry, I had listened nothing so I went to sleep. I will be glad to try listen signal G3WCB on 503.330kHz. I am going to be ready for a test in QRSS3 mode this night from 20:00 to 22:00 UT. OK? I understand, that ERP some miliwats is no problem between stations from UK. My station is 1500 km away from UK, so if I listen nothing, I consider it as normal. But tests on 500kHz band are very, very interesting. I erlier listened GI4DPE and G3KEV. All depends on QRN and conditions. =20 73, Bob, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 ************************************************************************ ********************************************** =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:52 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: [500] _G3XAQ =20 Hi, Bob. =20 I can put out a QRSS 3 beacon transmission on 503.330 kHz if you wish. Gary G4WGT is also currently on QRSS 3 Beacon mode on 503.60 kHz, "O" copy at this location =20 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom=EDr = Bobal=EDk Sent: 18 May 2007 22:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: [500] _G3XAQ Sri, but no signal on 502kHz here. I am going to continue listening, may be I can capture some cw later. =20 Bob, OK2BVG ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C79B3D.F6333590 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

-----Original Message-----
From: Lubom=EDr Bobal=EDk [mailto:lubomir.bobalik@rtv5.cz]
Sent: Sunday, May 20, = 2007 11:55 PM
To: = 'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'
Subject: [500] = _G3WCB_G3XIZ

Hi Dave and = Chris!

Yessss, now I have seen both yours = signals. It is superb!!!

Bob

************************************= ***************************************

-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB
Sent: Sunday, May 20, = 2007 11:32 PM
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: RE: : = [500] _G3XAQ <G3WCB Beacon mode?>

Hi, = Bob,

Yes, I am transmitting now. The message is "TEST G3WCB". I'll = continue until 2300 UTC.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom=EDr = Bobal=EDk
Sent: 20 May 2007 = 22:27
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: : [500] = _G3XAQ <G3WCB Beacon mode?>

Hi = Dave!

I see weak signal on 503.33kHz. If you transmitting, then I correctly identify = one letter „B“

=

Bob, OK2BVG, JN88KS

=

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-----Original = Message-----
From: = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB
Sent: Sunday, May 20, = 2007 10:49 PM
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: : [500] = _G3XAQ <G3WCB Beacon mode?>

Hi, = Bob.

I will be in QRSS3 beacon mode from 2040 utc until 2300 UTC tonight. My = frequency is 503.330 kHz. Sorry I missed the beginning of the slot, but I have just = returned to the shack. Reports most welcome.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From: = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom=EDr Bobal=EDk
Sent: 20 May 2007 = 09:21
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: [500] = _G3XAQ <Beacon mode?>

Hi = Dave!

Sorry, I had listened nothing so I went to sleep. I will be glad to try listen = signal G3WCB on 503.330kHz. I am going to be ready for a test in QRSS3 mode = this night from 20:00 to 22:00 UT. OK?

I understand, that ERP some miliwats is no problem between stations from = UK. My station is 1500 km away from UK, so if I listen nothing, I consider it = as normal. But tests on 500kHz band are very, very interesting. I erlier = listened GI4DPE and G3KEV. All depends on QRN and = conditions.

=

73, Bob, OK2BVG, JN88KS

=

*****************= *************************************************************************= ****************************

=

=

-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB
Sent: Friday, May 18, = 2007 11:52 PM
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: [500] _G3XAQ <Beacon mode?>

Hi, = Bob.

I can put out a QRSS 3 beacon transmission on 503.330 kHz if you wish. Gary = G4WGT is also currently on QRSS 3 Beacon mode on 503.60 kHz, "O" copy = at this location

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom=EDr = Bobal=EDk
Sent: 18 May 2007 = 22:38
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: [500] = _G3XAQ

Sri, but no signal on = 502kHz here. I am going to continue listening, may be I can capture some cw = later.

Bob, = OK2BVG

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Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs178hue; Wed, 30 May 2007 01:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.249.16 with SMTP id w16mr407547ugh.1180512800113; Wed, 30 May 2007 01:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 32si19888928nfu.2007.05.30.01.13.04; Wed, 30 May 2007 01:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HtJ8A-00061G-GG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 09:02:06 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HtJ89-000617-TV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 09:02:05 +0100 Received: from rutherford.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.142]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HtJ88-0003DH-WF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 09:02:05 +0100 Received: from [82.68.18.174] (helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by rutherford.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HtJ7u-0006Q4-Lg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 08:01:51 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 09:01:41 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01c7a290$c67f99b0$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 In-Reply-To: <341873.21191.qm@web86408.mail.ird.yahoo.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-Originating-Rutherford-IP: [82.68.18.174] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Field Strength Meter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001F_01C7A299.284401B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1470 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C7A299.284401B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, your experiments of measuring ERP are interesting. How close is = the result that you obtained with that derived from aerial modelling and = aerial current measurement? To what extent do you think that local = environmental factors can explain any differences? =20 I wouldn't be too concerned about leaving a 6dB margin. My off-the-cuff feeling is that so long as we make reasonable efforts in terms of = accuracy and can demonstrate an intent to operate within the -10dBW limit that = this should be acceptable to Ofcom. =20 =20 73 John, G3WKL =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of CHRISTOPHER = OSBORN Sent: 29 May 2007 21:05 To: LF group Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter This bank holiday I finished PA0SE's field strength meter (LF = Experimenter's Handbook) duly modified for 500 kc/s. I knocked up Helmholtz coils of almost identical proportions to those in Dick's published design and with these calibrated the F/S meter. Initial results look very promising and the meter seems quite linear up = to my calibrated maximum of 6 mV/m. This evening I trudged around the fields in Biggleswade making sundry readings, while my PC/TX put out a test signal every 3 minutes. If (?) my calculations are correct then I have an ERP of 40 mW averaged = over 3 (1 km distant) readings. I know this is not much of a sample but initial results are satisfactory = and fairly consistent. Apparently I am told that field strength measurement uncertainties are notoriously high - one RadCom informed letter suggests by as much as 6 = dB. If I wanted to be pedantic then presumably we should ensure that we = measure no more than 25 mW ERP to allow for the worst case uncertainty (tongue = in cheek!) 73 Chris G3XIZ _____ =20 Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, easy and free. 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Chris, your experiments of measuring ERP are = interesting. How=20 close is the result that you obtained with that derived from aerial = modelling=20 and aerial current measurement? To what extent do you think that = local=20 environmental factors can explain any differences?

I=20 wouldn't be too concerned about leaving a 6dB margin. My = off-the-cuff=20 feeling is that so long as we make reasonable efforts in terms of = accuracy and=20 can demonstrate an intent to operate within the -10dBW limit that this = should be=20 acceptable to Ofcom.

73=20 John, G3WKL

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From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]=20 On Behalf Of CHRISTOPHER OSBORN
Sent: 29 May 2007=20 21:05
To: LF group
Subject: LF: Field Strength=20 Meter

This bank holiday I finished PA0SE's field = strength=20 meter (LF Experimenter's Handbook) duly modified for 500 kc/s.

I = knocked=20 up Helmholtz coils of almost identical proportions to those in Dick's = published=20 design and with these calibrated the F/S meter.
Initial results look = very=20 promising and the meter seems quite linear up to my calibrated maximum = of =20 6 mV/m.

This evening I trudged around the fields in Biggleswade = making=20 sundry readings, while my PC/TX put out a test signal every 3=20 minutes.
If (?) my calculations are correct then I have an ERP of 40 = mW=20 averaged over 3 (1 km distant) readings.
I know this is not much of a = sample=20 but initial results are satisfactory and fairly = consistent.

Apparently I=20 am told that field strength measurement uncertainties are notoriously = high - one=20 RadCom informed letter suggests by as much as 6 dB.
If I wanted to be = pedantic then presumably we should ensure that we measure no more than = 25 mW ERP=20 to allow for the worst case uncertainty (tongue in cheek!)

73 = Chris=20 G3XIZ

Copy addresses and emails from any email account to Yahoo! Mail - quick, = easy=20 and free. Do=20 it now... ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C7A299.284401B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237688217924894821 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs515778hue; Mon, 28 May 2007 04:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.29.7 with SMTP id g7mr5225080ugj.1180351466129; Mon, 28 May 2007 04:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 39si4413520ugb.2007.05.28.04.24.23; Mon, 28 May 2007 04:24:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HsdFW-00061b-5P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:18:54 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HsdFV-00061S-Mf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:18:53 +0100 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.229]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsdFU-0005g3-Va for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 12:18:53 +0100 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h26so1009193wxd for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 04:18:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Qnp7XBFwbBQe9aj9pUMgiYJqqaYbfCJkb6FSTnWtLbjqbHmaXLr4Mu6B4J01FQxeGcufyUDnR9oMDo2qYOwEWWPSDArNxby7Jm3qNCBBtrdpN0tMHGcS7+xMqX1DsQoGfDK2vcXp4zrPJtaVAj9Kl63DR/KmHNZXUbPrkSE5Nkc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=oSZcCDAXA4gLUzLeB0NXwhTFgPFbgOqGtLBoEZk3zhnHAFIAvyWj1lIpZEOjMtjgxjgVEhxMBZWLAJ2Mi5oAcnOPYT4ioRjTsZp05czIxpoYKSrQ4Vq0G4Prb3OWPohQ1Ps3Y0PBKgl0hKd13JkvMLjbTI/vtf2rVWbcFS3dbZk= Received: by 10.90.113.18 with SMTP id l18mr3744294agc.1180351131970; Mon, 28 May 2007 04:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.25.20 with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2007 04:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d2415e0705280418j56602f29gcbf4133e2e8116f3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 12:18:51 +0100 From: "lawrence mayhead" To: rsgb MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_SHORT_LENGTH=0.629 Subject: LF: 500 Activity Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_99134_24472137.1180351131946" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1471 ------=_Part_99134_24472137.1180351131946 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi All, Things looking up on 500, had 4 nice QSO's this morning G3UNT, G4GDR, G3XIZ, and new to me G3XAQ, Alan in Canterbury. Thanks 73 Laurie. ------=_Part_99134_24472137.1180351131946 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi All,
Things looking up on 500, had 4 nice QSO's this morning
G3UNT, G4GDR, G3XIZ, and new to me G3XAQ, Alan in Canterbury.
Thanks 73 Laurie.
------=_Part_99134_24472137.1180351131946-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237694040374368137 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs519102hue; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.88.20 with SMTP id q20mr5271965ugl.1180358566482; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 72si7624346ugb.2007.05.28.06.22.40; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:22:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hsf8U-0006XD-7R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 14:19:46 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hsf8T-0006X4-R4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 14:19:45 +0100 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.228]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hsf8T-0006k4-0Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 14:19:45 +0100 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 76so450714wra for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:19:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CWNxoNVp5tJ8DWfVHjTBJUWJeqzGj7+5BVjGgXP5N6Sf266DyvsvSEdta5UBT/nWP6d36hlx7uxFqxGj0++QNVZ1o4kC1n3u07H4XcnWoWlfEfqOm/jsfT5BYHjONKQt8WvErQbTKe1M000kF8X0MzE38AmPXjTB2uVo7P7f6s8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=AXdBvPS0Ycf5KXClXH3BjOsBoFZ+IKdElnPBG9fidJd4RljyO0khAaq9vKDT+0RRBpiHKkmukbUuY+xnEJ32k2y+aBNjtuhfPswSraLytbiYkwaGZuJCNVY15kM+i2jU9XKteCYzOuQSNnTXbTfREv7qqArL4eykXg17wPB/60c= Received: by 10.90.71.3 with SMTP id t3mr3793951aga.1180358383823; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.25.20 with HTTP; Mon, 28 May 2007 06:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d2415e0705280619i791f7ddj82160c4d97288b01@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 14:19:43 +0100 From: "lawrence mayhead" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 References: DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: test Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_100088_1431343.1180358383780" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1473 ------=_Part_100088_1431343.1180358383780 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline On 28/05/07, Michael Probert wrote: > > Test de GW4HXO > Hi Michael, Heard you in QSO earlier with GW4UEP and I think GI3PDN. Called you but no reply guess Loop in wrong direction. You were readable at 559. ------=_Part_100088_1431343.1180358383780 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

On 28/05/07, Michael Probert <mjprobert@ynysdawelcottages.com> wrote:

Test de GW4HXO

Hi Michael,
Heard you in QSO earlier with GW4UEP and I think GI3PDN.
Called you but no reply guess Loop in wrong direction. You were
readable at 559.
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Test de GW4HXO

------=_NextPart_000_0019_01C7A12F.A7BE7440-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237053187058476845 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs223154hue; Mon, 21 May 2007 04:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.220.12 with SMTP id s12mr3356964ugg.1179747136344; Mon, 21 May 2007 04:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 20si1575009uga.2007.05.21.04.32.10; Mon, 21 May 2007 04:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hq64K-000344-Bd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:28:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hq64K-00033v-15 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:28:52 +0100 Received: from smtpout04-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.196]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hq64I-00035g-Vf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:28:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 372 invoked from network); 21 May 2007 11:28:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (24.177.53.244) by smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.199) with ESMTP; 21 May 2007 11:28:37 -0000 Message-ID: <46517493.3000402@w1tag.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:29:39 +0100 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001201c79b98$04aa9190$aa7ba8c0@ACER> In-Reply-To: <001201c79b98$04aa9190$aa7ba8c0@ACER> X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=0.327 Subject: Re: LF: xes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1476 Henny, That's XES, which was on from 2350 to 0233 UTC. Thanks for the report. John Andrews, W1TAG henny van elst wrote: > *sr.time.4:19 * > *best 73* > *henny* > *pa3cpm* > *jo22mb* From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237053187058476845 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs222610hue; Mon, 21 May 2007 04:10:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.71.15 with SMTP id y15mr3317410ugk.1179745852650; Mon, 21 May 2007 04:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id z40si1468587ugc.2007.05.21.04.10.50; Mon, 21 May 2007 04:10:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hq5iL-0002wn-QW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:06:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hq5iL-0002we-8C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:06:09 +0100 Received: from smtp14.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hq5iK-0002uj-NQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:06:09 +0100 Received: from ACER (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by smtp14.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0JIE005F71I3MQ@smtp14.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 13:06:03 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:06:01 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <001201c79b98$04aa9190$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: xes Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Ekk/ebPv61w7KuOBi/uFWQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1477 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_Ekk/ebPv61w7KuOBi/uFWQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT sr.time.4:19 best 73 henny pa3cpm jo22mb --Boundary_(ID_Ekk/ebPv61w7KuOBi/uFWQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

sr.time.4:19

best 73

henny

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sr this is the capture of di2be

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From: "Gw3UEP" To: References: Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 23:36:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: MF ERP Limit... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001A_01C7A0B7.E5FA3D70" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1493 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C7A0B7.E5FA3D70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks John - frustrating at times, being an swl ! Rog. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John W Gould=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:58 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: MF ERP Limit... Roger, thanks for your suggestions below. Very envious of your quiet = location.... Unless anyone else has some different views, can I suggest that we call = the matter closed, for now. The key issue is when we can usefully = approach Ofcom and the extent to which they will be prepared to react to = our request. There will also be the issue of timing, if an increase is = agreed. 73 John, G3WKL ------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C7A0B7.E5FA3D70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks John - frustrating at times, = being an swl=20 !

Rog.

----- Original Message -----=20

From: John W = Gould=20

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20

Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 5:58 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Re: MF ERP Limit...

Roger, thanks for your suggestions below. Very = envious of=20 your quiet location....

Unless anyone else has some different = views, can=20 I suggest that we call the matter closed, for now. The key issue = is when=20 we can usefully approach Ofcom and the extent to which they will be = prepared to=20 react to our request. There will also be the issue of timing, if = an=20 increase is agreed.

73 John, G3WKL

------=_NextPart_000_001A_01C7A0B7.E5FA3D70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237580871746236458 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs488685hue; Sun, 27 May 2007 10:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.232.10 with SMTP id e10mr4596225ugh.1180285305560; Sun, 27 May 2007 10:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 72si6432348ugb.2007.05.27.10.01.43; Sun, 27 May 2007 10:01:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HsM4g-0002c5-9a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 17:58:34 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HsM4f-0002bw-S8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 17:58:33 +0100 Received: from pythagoras.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.140]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsM4f-0007rL-6P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 17:58:33 +0100 Received: from [212.23.8.62] (helo=localhost) by pythagoras.zen.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HsM4b-0007el-7p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:58:29 +0000 To: From: John W Gould Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 16:58:29 GMT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-Ip: [81.98.34.133] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.5 Message-ID: X-Originating-Pythagoras-IP: [212.23.8.62] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: MF ERP Limit... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1494 Roger, thanks for your suggestions below. Very envious of your quiet location.... Unless anyone else has some different views, can I suggest that we call the matter closed, for now. The key issue is when we can usefully approach Ofcom and the extent to which they will be prepared to react to our request. There will also be the issue of timing, if an increase is agreed. 73 John, G3WKL Gw3UEP wrote : > Sent previously but not > reflected... > > With a quiet/noise-free Rx site > [West-Wales], day-time cw sigs from Kent are detectable or at > MDS. > > A 1W ERP limit would allow daytime E-W > [coast-coast/300mls] qso's, with quiet Rx sites. > > A 4W ERP limit would allow daytime N-S > [coast-coast/600mls] qso's, with quiet Rx sites. > > Since most stations have significant noise-levels, > these ERP values would still be too low for general inter-GB day-time > use. > However, a x10 increase would be a realistic > start. > > I've been enjoying regular day-time qso's with GI4DPE at 250mls > range, over a mixed land/sea/land path, with steady/repeatable s/meter readings, > ideal for ant/tx experiments [both quiet sites]. > So far, this has not been possible to the east over a land path with > noise-limited stn's. > > 73, > Rog/Gw3UEP. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237580871746236458 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs474305hue; Sat, 26 May 2007 23:58:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.252.18 with SMTP id z18mr4301577ugh.1180249091871; Sat, 26 May 2007 23:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j1si10945647ugf.2007.05.26.23.58.09; Sat, 26 May 2007 23:58:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HsCeA-0000m4-Iy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 07:54:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HsCe8-0000lv-5U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 07:54:32 +0100 Received: from mail3.uklinux.net ([80.84.72.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsCe7-0002Aj-FF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 07:54:32 +0100 Received: from o (bts-0694.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.50.182]) by mail3.uklinux.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9FF9E40A070 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:52:02 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <008c01c7a02b$8b5882a0$ff7ee150@o> From: "Gw3UEP" To: Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 07:52:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: MF ERP Limit... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0087_01C7A033.EB6AF4E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1495 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C7A033.EB6AF4E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sent previously but not reflected... With a quiet/noise-free Rx site [West-Wales], day-time cw sigs from Kent = are detectable or at MDS. A 1W ERP limit would allow daytime E-W [coast-coast/300mls] qso's, with = quiet Rx sites. A 4W ERP limit would allow daytime N-S [coast-coast/600mls] qso's, with = quiet Rx sites. Since most stations have significant noise-levels, these ERP values = would still be too low for general inter-GB day-time use. However, a x10 increase would be a realistic start. I've been enjoying regular day-time qso's with GI4DPE at 250mls range, = over a mixed land/sea/land path, with steady/repeatable s/meter = readings, ideal for ant/tx experiments [both quiet sites]. =20 So far, this has not been possible to the east over a land path with = noise-limited stn's. 73, Rog/Gw3UEP. ------=_NextPart_000_0087_01C7A033.EB6AF4E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sent previously but not=20 reflected...

With a quiet/noise-free Rx site=20 [West-Wales], day-time cw sigs from Kent are detectable or at=20 MDS.

A 1W ERP limit would allow daytime = E-W=20 [coast-coast/300mls] qso's, with quiet Rx sites.

A 4W ERP limit would allow = daytime N-S=20 [coast-coast/600mls] qso's, with quiet Rx sites.

Since most stations have significant = noise-levels,=20 these ERP values would still be too low for general inter-GB day-time=20 use.

However, a x10 increase would be a = realistic=20 start.

I've been enjoying regular day-time qso's with GI4DPE at = 250mls=20 range, over a mixed land/sea/land path, with steady/repeatable s/meter = readings,=20 ideal for ant/tx experiments [both quiet sites].

So far, this has not been possible to the east over a land = path with=20 noise-limited stn's.

73,=20 Rog/Gw3UEP.

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autolearn=disabled,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: RE: LF: DI2BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1508 HI Uwe, my locator is JO22NC 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens uwe-jannsen@versanet.de Verzonden: donderdag 31 mei 2007 15:43 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: Re: LF: DI2BE Zitat von Victor van Kooten : > Received 15:24 z > > 73 > Victor Hi Victor, nice daytime shot. thank 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org (rsgb lf reflector), rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org (rsgb lf reflector) Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 12:52:19 +0000 Message-Id: <053020071252.24635.465D7383000356430000603B22007610640B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: LF Thread on QRZ.COM X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1520 Hello the list, There is an interesting thread on the QRZ web site entitled "Special Canadian Authorizations to Cease". Bonnie Crystal KQ6XA has some interesting comments about using LF in caves, including a homebrew 185kHz ssb transceiver running into a hand-held loop! http://www.qrz.com/ib-bin/ikonboard.cgi?act=ST&f=3&t=157080 -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2 FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237916621554433776 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs78531hue; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.150.7 with SMTP id x7mr708038hud.1180646685595; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id f8si6977nfh.2007.05.31.14.24.42; Thu, 31 May 2007 14:24:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hts65-0007qi-C2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:22:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hts64-0007qZ-PU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:22:16 +0100 Received: from web86404.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.121]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hts63-0007EJ-Q6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:22:16 +0100 Received: (qmail 40215 invoked by uid 60001); 31 May 2007 21:22:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=XUSwq13JdYpx8TP90m30dexYLuvVkUxLJD4M7lUojRnKzA1+K2fQ1WfzqBz0eir82JLpVzpoqRt5Ggu36hILTnT4jkRUneNq+EoGcBZLhw4PV1Sc59hMstdiUVv3TYKM8ngtCA7n1OBi4LSL7QTRpYhiy9K9VusBebA+wZzmdgQ=; X-YMail-OSG: fAp2itIVM1l41ixxk.zx0HRbOwEnud1rO00wxeSc1zODq.bJ_OwMYT4cz3aqXgYK_T4C9yymJzlEnEFTNECEjekUEGxcs1NekK1yVkZy.4cyeAQrU8LaYe44XlU- Received: from [80.6.40.58] by web86404.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2007 22:22:09 BST Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 22:22:09 +0100 (BST) From: CHRISTOPHER OSBORN To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001801c7a315$80fc2f40$52217ad5@w4o8m9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <125037.36826.qm@web86404.mail.ird.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1011638484-1180646529=:36826" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,UP_TO_OR_MORES autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1523 --0-1011638484-1180646529=:36826 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit John / Jim / Alan / LF, Many thanks for all comments and suggestions regarding my attempts at field strength measurements. Using G3NYK's spreadsheet I calculated my ERP as being 77 mW (ERP deduced from measured F/S - 40 mW) I am fortunate with the F/S measurements here as I have open, unobstructed fields to the west of me and can get away from any metal objects and trees. I stand with the meter at arms length and slowly rotate myself 360 degrees noting that I get a null and then recording the highest value. I tried a similar experiment in town last night and as Jim has experienced I had some unexpected readings along one of the roads for no apparent reason. I plan to take a large number of measurements, only in open country and hopefully any errors will be averaged out. I'll be away for a few days but will resume these experiments on my return. No doubt I'll be notified of any c--- ups in my calculations or methods - HI ! 73 Chris G3XIZ James Moritz wrote: Dear Chris, Interesting to see your field strength measurements - would also be interested to know how this compares to any calculated value you have for the ERP of your station. A few years back, I made several hundred FS measurements on my 136kHz and 73kHz station, looking at the effects of antenna configuration, distance etc., using a mobile measuring set-up with the measuring antenna mounted on the roof of my car. I found that one could expect "random" variations within a range +/-3dB of ERP at different sites. These variations were not just random errors; one could return to the same site months later and measure the same variation in field strength. I came to the conclusion that things in the environment were causing some enhancement or reduction in field strength; presumably conductors such as wire fences, buried cables, etc. acting as parasitic antenna elements. Some sites produced much larger variations up to +/-10dB or more. On inspection there was usually a fairly likely-looking cause for this, such as overhead power lines, or large metal structures such as buildings and bridges, but there was not always anything immediately obvious to be seen. One road leading away from my house gave wildly varying results along its length - it turned out that the overhead telephone wire from my house ran along this road, and high and low FS readings were separated by about the right distance to be interpreted as a lambda = 2200m standing wave on the overhead wire. But provided a substantial number of measurements are available, it is easy to spot which measurements are suspect and check them, and to get a good average value. Something worth checking is that you get a deep directional null with a loop or ferrite rod antenna; if not, the measuring site is probably dubious. I expect if one were only to use measurement sites that were in the middle of open ground, a good distance from any large metallic objects, variations between measurements would be reduced greatly. Unfortunately, there seems to be a shortage of accessible sites like this near me... Regarding the letter in RadCom, the difficulties of field strength measurements depend a lot on the frequency. I have some experience of HF FS measurements - in this range, connecting cables and any other fair sized bit of metal can become resonant, and can produce huge peaks and troughs in the results without careful attention. At VHF and above, multipath propagation becomes a headache, with multiple unwanted reflections from the ground and any nearby objects. I think LF/MF is relatively straightforward in comparison - the main difficulty being that you need to be at least several hundred metres away from the TX antenna to get good measurements. But once the problems have been identified, measurement results are usually very consistent. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU --------------------------------- Yahoo! Photos � NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 7p a photo. --0-1011638484-1180646529=:36826 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit John / Jim / Alan / LF,

Many thanks for all comments and suggestions regarding my attempts at field strength measurements.

Using G3NYK's spreadsheet I calculated my ERP as being 77 mW
(ERP deduced from measured F/S - 40 mW)

I am fortunate with the F/S measurements here as I have open, unobstructed fields to the west of me and can get away from any metal objects and trees.
I stand with the meter at arms length and slowly rotate myself 360 degrees noting that I get a null and then recording the highest value.

I tried a similar experiment in town last night and as Jim has experienced I had some unexpected readings along one of the roads for no apparent reason.

I plan to take a large number of measurements, only in open country and hopefully any errors will be averaged out.

I'll be away for a few days but will resume these experiments on my return.
No doubt I'll be notified of any c--- ups in my calculations or methods - HI !

73 Chris G3XIZ

James Moritz <james.moritz@btopenworld.com> wrote:

Dear Chris,

Interesting to see your field strength measurements - would also be interested to know how this compares to any calculated value you have for the ERP of your station.

A few years back, I made several hundred FS measurements on my 136kHz and 73kHz station, looking at the effects of antenna configuration, distance etc., using a mobile measuring set-up with the measuring antenna mounted on the roof of my car. I found that one could expect "random" variations within a range +/-3dB of ERP at different sites. These variations were not just random errors; one could return to the same site months later and measure the same variation in field strength. I came to the conclusion that things in the environment were causing some enhancement or reduction in field strength; presumably conductors such as wire fences, buried cables, etc. acting as parasitic antenna elements. Some sites produced much larger variations up to +/-10dB or more. On inspection there was usually a fairly likely-looking cause for this, such as overhead power lines, or large metal structures such as buildings and bridges, but there was not always anything immediately obvious to be seen. One road leading away from my house gave wildly varying results along its length - it turned out that the overhead telephone wire from my house ran along this road, and high and low FS readings were separated by about the right distance to be interpreted as a lambda = 2200m standing wave on the overhead wire. But provided a substantial number of measurements are available, it is easy to spot which measurements are suspect and check them, and to get a good average value. Something worth checking is that you get a deep directional null with a loop or ferrite rod antenna; if not, the measuring site is probably dubious. I expect if one were only to use measurement sites that were in the middle of open ground, a good distance from any large metallic objects, variations between measurements would be reduced greatly. Unfortunately, there seems to be a shortage of accessible sites like this near me...

Regarding the letter in RadCom, the difficulties of field strength measurements depend a lot on the frequency. I have some experience of HF FS measurements - in this range, connecting cables and any other fair sized bit of metal can become resonant, and can produce huge peaks and troughs in the results without careful attention. At VHF and above, multipath propagation becomes a headache, with multiple unwanted reflections from the ground and any nearby objects. I think LF/MF is relatively straightforward in comparison - the main difficulty being that you need to be at least several hundred metres away from the TX antenna to get good measurements. But once the problems have been identified, measurement results are usually very consistent.

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

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Photos � NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 7p a photo. --0-1011638484-1180646529=:36826-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237916621554433776 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs32470hue; Wed, 30 May 2007 16:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.146.11 with SMTP id t11mr10585hud.1180569288850; Wed, 30 May 2007 16:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c22si871709ika.2007.05.30.16.54.44; Wed, 30 May 2007 16:54:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HtXxS-0001bo-14 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 00:52:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HtXxR-0001bf-Bz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 00:52:01 +0100 Received: from smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.71]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HtXxQ-0003Wm-01 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 00:52:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 20266 invoked from network); 30 May 2007 23:51:54 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=JVEhXy/ZicL8C8x6kz+IQfitVW3RhE5xzOgKe1HUvfL5TJqmlxnMdzpiVvb0EU5uBG6+NHrUEiv/B2OIIsAeAEjVbD1+G5Dv18YzHEej/yFaBmQ/49fuNCArYkl/REJo5/WtNAEZK8+6LjuPnsuB0WndzxUEf4z6NGRkJRuA8hk= ; Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.33.82 with login) by smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 May 2007 23:51:49 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: lourAkUVM1km9wrYi85G3ZfHJJMOnuk0mweVsIl3.3.UWUpAPSuw.zOerxqgqFThMhUTQ59Mrw-- Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.472 [269.8.4/825]); Thu, 31 May 2007 00:51:55 +0100 Message-ID: <001801c7a315$80fc2f40$52217ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <341873.21191.qm@web86408.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 00:42:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C7A31C.90236900" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,UP_TO_OR_MORES autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1524 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C7A31C.90236900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Chris, Interesting to see your field strength measurements - would also be = interested to know how this compares to any calculated value you have = for the ERP of your station. A few years back, I made several hundred FS measurements on my 136kHz = and 73kHz station, looking at the effects of antenna configuration, = distance etc., using a mobile measuring set-up with the measuring = antenna mounted on the roof of my car. I found that one could expect = "random" variations within a range +/-3dB of ERP at different sites. = These variations were not just random errors; one could return to the = same site months later and measure the same variation in field strength. = I came to the conclusion that things in the environment were causing = some enhancement or reduction in field strength; presumably conductors = such as wire fences, buried cables, etc. acting as parasitic antenna = elements. Some sites produced much larger variations up to +/-10dB or = more. On inspection there was usually a fairly likely-looking cause for = this, such as overhead power lines, or large metal structures such as = buildings and bridges, but there was not always anything immediately = obvious to be seen. One road leading away from my house gave wildly = varying results along its length - it turned out that the overhead = telephone wire from my house ran along this road, and high and low FS = readings were separated by about the right distance to be interpreted as = a lambda =3D 2200m standing wave on the overhead wire. But provided a = substantial number of measurements are available, it is easy to spot = which measurements are suspect and check them, and to get a good average = value. Something worth checking is that you get a deep directional null = with a loop or ferrite rod antenna; if not, the measuring site is = probably dubious. I expect if one were only to use measurement sites = that were in the middle of open ground, a good distance from any large = metallic objects, variations between measurements would be reduced = greatly. Unfortunately, there seems to be a shortage of accessible sites = like this near me... Regarding the letter in RadCom, the difficulties of field strength = measurements depend a lot on the frequency. I have some experience of HF = FS measurements - in this range, connecting cables and any other fair = sized bit of metal can become resonant, and can produce huge peaks and = troughs in the results without careful attention. At VHF and above, = multipath propagation becomes a headache, with multiple unwanted = reflections from the ground and any nearby objects. I think LF/MF is = relatively straightforward in comparison - the main difficulty being = that you need to be at least several hundred metres away from the TX = antenna to get good measurements. But once the problems have been = identified, measurement results are usually very consistent. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C7A31C.90236900 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Chris,

Interesting to see your field strength = measurements=20 - would also be interested to know how this compares to any calculated = value you=20 have for the ERP of your station.

A few years back, I made several = hundred FS=20 measurements on my 136kHz and 73kHz station, looking at the effects of = antenna=20 configuration, distance etc., using a mobile measuring set-up with the = measuring=20 antenna mounted on the roof of my car. I found that one could = expect=20 "random" variations within a range +/-3dB of ERP at different = sites. These=20 variations were not just random errors; one could return to the same = site months=20 later and measure the same variation in field strength. I came to = the=20 conclusion that things in the environment were causing some enhancement = or=20 reduction in field strength; presumably conductors such as wire fences, = buried=20 cables, etc. acting as parasitic antenna elements. Some sites produced = much=20 larger variations up to +/-10dB or more. On inspection there was usually = a=20 fairly likely-looking cause for this, such as overhead power lines, or = large=20 metal structures such as buildings and bridges, but there was not always = anything immediately obvious to be seen. One road leading away from my = house=20 gave wildly varying results along its length - it turned out that the = overhead=20 telephone wire from my house ran along this road, and high and low FS = readings=20 were separated by about the right distance to be interpreted as a lambda = =3D 2200m=20 standing wave on the overhead wire. But provided a substantial number of = measurements are available, it is easy to spot which measurements are = suspect=20 and check them, and to get a good average value. Something worth = checking is=20 that you get a deep directional null with a loop or ferrite rod = antenna; if=20 not, the measuring site is probably dubious. I expect if one = were only=20 to use measurement sites that were in the middle of open ground, a good = distance=20 from any large metallic objects, variations between measurements would = be=20 reduced greatly. Unfortunately, there seems to be a shortage = of accessible=20 sites like this near me...

Regarding the letter in RadCom, the = difficulties of=20 field strength measurements depend a lot on the frequency. I have some=20 experience of HF FS measurements - in this range, connecting cables and = any=20 other fair sized bit of metal can become resonant, and can produce = huge=20 peaks and troughs in the results without careful attention. At VHF = and=20 above, multipath propagation becomes a headache, with multiple unwanted=20 reflections from the ground and any nearby objects. I think LF/MF is = relatively=20 straightforward in comparison - the main difficulty being that you need = to be at=20 least several hundred metres away from the TX antenna to get good = measurements.=20 But once the problems have been identified, measurement results are = usually very=20 consistent.

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C7A31C.90236900-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237679971451995526 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs511743hue; Mon, 28 May 2007 02:13:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr5151027ugg.1180343600975; Mon, 28 May 2007 02:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 27si11584111ugp.2007.05.28.02.13.18; Mon, 28 May 2007 02:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HsbEG-0005SQ-Mg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:09:28 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HsbEG-0005SH-AR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:09:28 +0100 Received: from mail3.uklinux.net ([80.84.72.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsbEF-0004oi-Ec for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 10:09:28 +0100 Received: from o (bts-0915.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.51.147]) by mail3.uklinux.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B06A040A2E2 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 09:09:21 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <000b01c7a107$e5f4b0d0$9333f7c2@o> From: "Gw3UEP" To: References: <350520.49664.qm@web86408.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 10:08:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 502 1000bst... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7A110.316AA5D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1525 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7A110.316AA5D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hrd XIZ solid, then UNT detected 109 [rst!] ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7A110.316AA5D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hrd XIZ solid, then UNT = detected 109=20 [rst!]

------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C7A110.316AA5D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237251670502357704 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs320403hue; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.122.16 with SMTP id u16mr152209huc.1179935142322; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id m4si3309852ugc.2007.05.23.08.45.37; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hqsxt-0003bk-V7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 16:41:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hqsxs-0003bb-DI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 16:41:29 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hqsxg-00036q-GY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 16:41:24 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (cmsout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.32]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E64AB5D91 for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 15:40:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.34P) with ESMTP id XID301LewPO78021X02; Wed, 23 May 2007 15:40:58 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID301LewPO78021X02 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.76.217.43] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.31J) with ESMTP id 977LewPO60058M36; Wed, 23 May 2007 15:40:57 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.76.217.43 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <46546086.5030606@usa.net> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 17:40:54 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004e01c79610$0592d320$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <4648D997.4050707@usa.net> <004301c797c9$f26e8b20$0300a8c0@lark> <464C8AC5.5090200@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <464C8AC5.5090200@usa.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.3.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID977LewPO60058X36 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.124 Subject: LF: Winrad and Windows 98 (again) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1533 I made an error in the expiration-less version of Winrad for Windows 98 (somebody could say that I goofed...). If you did download that version, you will have noticed that the original problem is still there. You are kindly advised to download it again, this time it should be ok. Sorry for the inconvenience. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237803031771991374 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs575252hue; Tue, 29 May 2007 12:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr24262ugg.1180468069280; Tue, 29 May 2007 12:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id g30si48710ugd.2007.05.29.12.47.46; Tue, 29 May 2007 12:47:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ht7cX-0003Na-K0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 20:44:41 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ht7cX-0003NR-78 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 20:44:41 +0100 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.169]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ht7cW-0008Fs-Hp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 20:44:41 +0100 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 71so9429ugh for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 12:44:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=J0Rypi6tTfbl2JbGj84nrN7ws8Le1WMtxxqaKfup4zr1uq2IAXmBiaxrlqR5oVU1Dcb9YX91r4bcR4CfhyjzzFbhcbaqxYAScOWkDZWBWF3iZVLQrgHwwXmsQxYoH4Eh/pTUqZXGOUH/1URSBj6chAl/BdOXTB5O18aU3ScPNWA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=dGNx5ONDk58nvbxyYbVc3UOeqngk8RtJ/Nf/0SCGVm1jo74tKG90Z3gXCIG2HZqrAqBUYz1if/Nn2X2Rv8Zzdpt9yVCLvkv0n6pI3DQMMfXBiZ+vjtxBlzEO30T9gLs+Y8ufbR12qjbCoVwy+vWmJjhx6bCt81Adkw1buP2AmT4= Received: by 10.78.137.7 with SMTP id k7mr2081794hud.1180467879542; Tue, 29 May 2007 12:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.42.8 with HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2007 12:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1f0624b90705291244k7b7b53c2m73f7f207109f74d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:44:39 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <002901c7a218$ebf909b0$5232f7c2@o> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002901c7a218$ebf909b0$5232f7c2@o> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 g3yxm... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_154668_15980630.1180467879509" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1536 ------=_Part_154668_15980630.1180467879509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Rog, I saw one ref :- MF Ships Tx this am. 73 Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp On 29/05/07, Gw3UEP wrote: > > Dave, Sent further email this am - did it make it? > > Rog > -- 73 Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp ------=_Part_154668_15980630.1180467879509 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

Rog,

I saw one ref :- MF Ships Tx this am.

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

On 29/05/07, Gw3UEP <gw3uep@uklinux.net> wrote:

Dave, Sent further email this am - did it make it?

Rog

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73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp ------=_Part_154668_15980630.1180467879509-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237803031771991374 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs575244hue; Tue, 29 May 2007 12:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.115.11 with SMTP id s11mr2895ugm.1180468057610; Tue, 29 May 2007 12:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 5si49623ugc.2007.05.29.12.47.34; Tue, 29 May 2007 12:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ht7an-0003M3-Vf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 20:42:53 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ht7an-0003Lu-Ik for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 20:42:53 +0100 Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com ([66.249.90.183]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ht7am-0008F2-Te for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 20:42:53 +0100 Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c30so995679ika for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 12:42:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=AEHEl/bjLiJOd4EttsvqkrVyCU5bHWc21+sE8ZYoPxqVZwNzYUZql1ulvkHmhOul8Jr5ve6NKzMiPXEfgs3fOamRq5nVEC4Wan7QqipqXuNvRtGzFq4goqLWEjBYJJAetP7n2Aq6bom3QXt9OemUyAnz4+9K1M7aPq5xgIrW9ks= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Sx73BxXIOc96izdmghlCPaMkAjW9/Z40ARRqsaQWOy9WWC1kCLnsfIpwKwvNTg3Kwvy66TmVETAC+pjd7Tgfqfg+KpUgJqvN139aL4fJiqWHue8k71nssz4AbyT8ahtx1lZfJ+stCYgtKlIWQCIb0bLkn/Ewe1Qw5p/0FbODnpE= Received: by 10.78.171.20 with SMTP id t20mr2086621hue.1180467772035; Tue, 29 May 2007 12:42:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.42.8 with HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2007 12:42:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <1f0624b90705291242m396ab550h770ceacebde775e5@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 20:42:51 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <002901c7a218$ebf909b0$5232f7c2@o> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <002901c7a218$ebf909b0$5232f7c2@o> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: 500 g3yxm... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_154596_33133133.1180467771965" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1537 ------=_Part_154596_33133133.1180467771965 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Rog, I saw one ref :- MF Ships Tx 73 Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp On 29/05/07, Gw3UEP wrote: > > Dave, Sent further email this am - did it make it? > > Rog > -- 73 Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp ------=_Part_154596_33133133.1180467771965 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

Rog,

I saw one ref :- MF Ships Tx

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

On 29/05/07, Gw3UEP <gw3uep@uklinux.net> wrote:

Dave, Sent further email this am - did it make it?

Rog

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73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp ------=_Part_154596_33133133.1180467771965-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237803031771991374 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs570094hue; Tue, 29 May 2007 10:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.105.19 with SMTP id h19mr6171708ugm.1180460960076; Tue, 29 May 2007 10:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id a1si7664027ugf.2007.05.29.10.49.16; Tue, 29 May 2007 10:49:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ht5jU-0002xv-Nd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 18:43:44 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ht5jU-0002xm-8G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 18:43:44 +0100 Received: from mail3.uklinux.net ([80.84.72.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ht5jT-0007Zx-Dn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 18:43:44 +0100 Received: from o (bts-0594.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.50.82]) by mail3.uklinux.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E9DFF40A121 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 17:43:41 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <002901c7a218$ebf909b0$5232f7c2@o> From: "Gw3UEP" To: Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 18:43:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500 g3yxm... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0026_01C7A221.4C441820" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1538 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C7A221.4C441820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dave, Sent further email this am - did it make it? Rog ------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C7A221.4C441820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dave, Sent further email this am - did = it make=20 it?

Rog

------=_NextPart_000_0026_01C7A221.4C441820-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237510843239758373 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs480850hue; Sun, 27 May 2007 05:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.252.18 with SMTP id z18mr4475783ugh.1180268367836; Sun, 27 May 2007 05:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 50si8627420ugb.2007.05.27.05.19.25; Sun, 27 May 2007 05:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HsHf2-0001ip-6K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 13:15:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HsHf1-0001ig-Lx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 13:15:47 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.27]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsHey-0004Ym-Os for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 13:15:47 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a82-92-108-254.adsl.xs4all.nl [82.92.108.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr7.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l4RCFaSI012614 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 14:15:41 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nl9222@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <46597667.7070402@xs4all.nl> Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 14:15:35 +0200 From: Ko Versteeg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c79f90$5e2d90e0$bf7ba8c0@Willem1> In-Reply-To: <000001c79f90$5e2d90e0$bf7ba8c0@Willem1> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000744-0, 05/26/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: s.w.l. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1540 Willem de Roode wrote: > Hello om s > > > > Is 137kc dead ??????????? 137 is gewoon weer druk vandaag maar dat wist iedereen al denk ik 73 Ko --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000744-0, 05/26/2007 Tested on: 5/27/2007 2:15:42 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237510843239758373 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs448323hue; Sat, 26 May 2007 05:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.44.4 with SMTP id w4mr3656973ugj.1180182307516; Sat, 26 May 2007 05:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 32si8344753ugf.2007.05.26.05.25.04; Sat, 26 May 2007 05:25:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HrvH8-0005l9-2G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 13:21:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HrvH7-0005l0-J1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 13:21:37 +0100 Received: from cas-mta2-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.24] helo=mta-fe.casema.nl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrvH6-0005fx-Qe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 13:21:37 +0100 Received: from localhost (cas-filter3.mgmt.casema.nl [10.42.32.98]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAF785710 for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 14:21:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mta-fe.casema.nl ([10.42.32.24]) by localhost (cas-filter3.mgmt.casema.nl [10.42.32.211]) (amavisd-new, port 20024) with ESMTP id 18968-10 for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 14:21:30 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Willem1 (5357B72B.cable.casema.nl [83.87.183.43]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id A46A1570B for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 14:21:30 +0200 (CEST) From: "Willem de Roode" To: Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 14:21:18 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c79f90$5e2d90e0$bf7ba8c0@Willem1> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcefkFzK4mTuE7d8TUO8Lw8lP6Yl7A== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at casema.nl X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: s.w.l. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C79FA1.21B660E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1541 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C79FA1.21B660E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello om s Is 137kc dead ??????????? Why not for 5 minuts pro day may by only jr call There are a lot off s.w.l. looking around,the hole only noice Pse think about it. Regards pa3ego Ps on this moment I have no tx. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C79FA1.21B660E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello om s

Is 137kc dead = ???????????

Why not for 5 minuts pro day may by only jr = call

There are a lot off s.w.l. looking around,the hole = only noice

Pse think about = it.

Regards pa3ego

Ps on this moment I have no = tx.

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C79FA1.21B660E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237986729441792017 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs74206hue; Thu, 31 May 2007 12:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.132.2 with SMTP id f2mr644592hud.1180641213161; Thu, 31 May 2007 12:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id k5si946206nfd.2007.05.31.12.53.29; Thu, 31 May 2007 12:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Htqea-0007KA-2X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:49:48 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HtqeZ-0007K1-M1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:49:47 +0100 Received: from mxoutlb02.versatel.de ([89.246.255.232]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HtqeY-0007X4-PT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 20:49:47 +0100 Received: from mx03.versatel.de (mx01.versatel.de [212.7.146.1]) by mxoutlb02.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l4VJncvf014456 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 21:49:38 +0200 Received: from localhost ([62.214.100.62]) by mx03.versatel.de (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l4VJncRm013905 for ; Thu, 31 May 2007 21:49:38 +0200 Received: from i577a9814.versanet.de (i577a9814.versanet.de [87.122.152.20]) by webmail.versatel.de (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 31 May 2007 21:49:38 +0200 Message-ID: <20070531214938.rv2s77e12nuow0g8@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 21:49:38 +0200 From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c7a3b0$efec4980$aa7ba8c0@ACER> In-Reply-To: <000701c7a3b0$efec4980$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): be.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1542 Zitat von henny van elst : > nice signal jo22mb time 18:20utc > best 73 henny pa3cpm.. Thanks, Henny. 363,5km from here. best 73 Uwe/dj8wx/di2be/jo43sv/8,1W ERP From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237986729441792017 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs70796hue; Thu, 31 May 2007 11:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.168.1 with SMTP id q1mr572524hue.1180636148199; Thu, 31 May 2007 11:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 34si807960nfu.2007.05.31.11.29.05; Thu, 31 May 2007 11:29:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HtpKE-0006hJ-Vv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 19:24:42 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HtpKE-0006hA-Dp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 19:24:42 +0100 Received: from hpsmtp-eml11.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.111]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HtpKD-0006zt-Ec for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 19:24:42 +0100 Received: from hpsmtp-eml09.kpnxchange.com ([213.75.38.109]) by hpsmtp-eml11.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 May 2007 20:24:35 +0200 Received: from ACER ([81.204.139.159]) by hpsmtp-eml09.kpnxchange.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 31 May 2007 20:24:21 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c7a3b0$efec4980$aa7ba8c0@ACER> From: "henny van elst" To: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 20:24:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 31 May 2007 18:24:35.0105 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0B0F910:01C7A3B0] X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): be.jpg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7A3C1.9FCEBC10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1543 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C7A3C1.9FCEBC10 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0004_01C7A3C1.9FCEBC10" ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C7A3C1.9FCEBC10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable nice signal jo22mb time 18:20utc best 73 henny pa3cpm.. ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C7A3C1.9FCEBC10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

nice signal jo22mb time 18:20utc

best 73 henny pa3cpm..

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v0.9.5 Message-ID: X-Originating-Heisenberg-IP: [212.23.8.62] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500kHz Distance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1548 No Johan, not even copper these days... 73 John, G3WKL Johan H. Bodin wrote : > John W Gould wrote: > > Sadly not! More like water pipes at our daughter's home.... > > Copper pipes? > > > 73 > Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237273523406800751 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs402801hue; Fri, 25 May 2007 04:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.121.15 with SMTP id y15mr2853212ugm.1180091007286; Fri, 25 May 2007 04:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id m4si6062621ugc.2007.05.25.04.03.20; Fri, 25 May 2007 04:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HrXRd-0002MQ-Lh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:54:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HrXRc-0002MH-Si for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:54:53 +0100 Received: from pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.159]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrXRb-0002bx-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 11:54:51 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (62.20.250.132) by pne-smtpout2-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.2.075) (authenticated as u33233109) id 4613481200CB1546 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 12:54:44 +0200 Message-ID: <4656C073.5000006@telia.com> Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 12:54:43 +0200 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500kHz Distance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1549 John W Gould wrote: > Sadly not! More like water pipes at our daughter's home.... Copper pipes? 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237273523406800751 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs397142hue; Fri, 25 May 2007 00:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.222.9 with SMTP id u9mr2748734ugg.1180078417582; Fri, 25 May 2007 00:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i39si4235413ugd.2007.05.25.00.33.35; Fri, 25 May 2007 00:33:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HrUFM-0001XN-SD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 08:30:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HrUFM-0001X9-4N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 08:30:00 +0100 Received: from rutherford.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.142]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrUFL-0007Bb-B0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 08:30:00 +0100 Received: from [212.23.8.62] (helo=localhost) by rutherford.zen.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HrUFK-0002wE-G7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 07:29:58 +0000 To: From: John W Gould Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:29:58 GMT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-Ip: [81.98.34.133] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.5 Message-ID: X-Originating-Rutherford-IP: [212.23.8.62] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500kHz Distance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1550 Jim, thanks for clarifying - I thought that you were opting more for the existing ERP approach. I feel that we are more likely to get a better response asking for an increase in ERP as this is easier for Ofcom to assess in terms of coordination, is consistent with some other bands and also our original request back in 2004. Aerial efficiency experiments apart an increase in ERP would allow more experimentation to be done over longer paths, which in terms of providing technical understanding to support a case for Amateur service access in some future WRC agenda item would be very beneficial. 73 John, G3WKL James Moritz wrote : > Dear John, LF Group, > > As a simple answer, I would favour sticking with an ERP limit - based on the > present experience the existing 0.1W ERP limit is adequate for a UK-only > band, but if we are looking towards an international 500kHz band, it seems a > bit low if international amateur communications using "conventional" HF-like > techniques are going to be possible on a routine basis over the longer > distances. There doesn't seem to be any problems due to the existing 0.1W > level on 500kHz, and 1W ERP is still very low compared to other spectrum > users in this frequency range. So if the possibility of an increased ERP > limit exists, I would go for at least 1W ERP, or more if you feel it could > be justified to Ofcom. > > A TX output power limit by itself would be OK, provided that power limit was > quite high. But if Ofcom are concerned to limit the maximum field strength > due to amateur transmissions, then they would have to specify low maximum > power to cover the case of an amateur using a relatively efficient antenna > with the "legal limit" TX power. A low TX power would then severely restrict > the possibilities of the band for stations with small antennas and very > limited possibilities for improving them. > > Rik's suggestion is quite nice from an amateur's point of view, in that it > gives an "incentive" to produce more efficient antennas, but at the same > time would allow stations who are unable to put up efficient antennas due to > restricted space, etc., still to produce a usable signal by throwing more > power at the antenna. But I think it could be difficult to sell such a > proposal to Ofcom. For the sake of argument, take Rik's figures - in > principle, there is no limit to the ERP that could be obtained with 20W TX > power limit, given gain antennas. Practical large amateur antennas could > give at least several watts ERP with 20W TX power. If Ofcom accept this, > what is the motivation from a regulatory viewpoint for restricting amateurs > with inefficient antennas to 100mW ERP? Why would they care how much power > the transmitter generates, provided the actual amount of power radiated > remains reasonably low? > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237273523406800751 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs396910hue; Fri, 25 May 2007 00:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.249.16 with SMTP id w16mr2737506ugh.1180077829838; Fri, 25 May 2007 00:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 53si7381769ugn.2007.05.25.00.23.45; Fri, 25 May 2007 00:23:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HrU43-0001RW-VC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 08:18:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HrU43-0001RN-Hf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 08:18:19 +0100 Received: from pythagoras.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.140]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrU42-00077H-Pc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 08:18:19 +0100 Received: from [212.23.8.62] (helo=localhost) by pythagoras.zen.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HrU41-0002qc-RE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 07:18:17 +0000 To: From: John W Gould Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 07:18:17 GMT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-Ip: [81.98.34.133] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.5 Message-ID: X-Originating-Pythagoras-IP: [212.23.8.62] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500kHz Distance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1551 Sadly not! More like water pipes at our daughter's home.... 73 John, G3WKL Dave Pick wrote : > I trust you were burying radials John?On 24/05/07, John W Gould <jwgould@iee.org.uk> wrote: > Apologies for not understanding, but I'm feeling jaded having spent the day digging trenches and about 2 hours networking my laptop to my daughter's PC to get Internet access!73 John, G3WKL > Dave-- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237273523406800751 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs384211hue; Thu, 24 May 2007 16:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.24.18 with SMTP id b18mr2490962ugj.1180050589834; Thu, 24 May 2007 16:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j34si5364436ugc.2007.05.24.16.49.46; Thu, 24 May 2007 16:49:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HrN0J-0000Rz-5N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 00:45:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HrN0I-0000Rq-Kj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 00:45:58 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.64]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrN0H-000315-PF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 May 2007 00:45:58 +0100 Received: (qmail 591 invoked from network); 24 May 2007 23:45:52 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=y39X3yw0iegeFjibdpDOhOFYFMXWUhNZ7ck9xbC/1OyGU2Dc/r3x9xDRpHOieNDNJzUfJ4Vkm0pzd7q5G2F9a+sqgKjy4lYKURv8Lkls/bM+ch8Sug0ktuvLSN6Ty/muIuwtI8EfSophk8nES41Qc8a6YW9w8ujo5bjb/ReP5uA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.36.96 with login) by smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2007 23:45:51 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: d2LIFW0VM1kk9S8HsnssI6F66QfEkuHFnOt8T4I_CzeGKGlHktvJNhHczhIbYr7.NYIyEXr9iA-- Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.467 [269.7.7/816]); Fri, 25 May 2007 00:46:04 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c79e5d$b16ff4c0$60247ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: Date: Fri, 25 May 2007 00:46:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz Distance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1552 Dear John, LF Group, As a simple answer, I would favour sticking with an ERP limit - based on the present experience the existing 0.1W ERP limit is adequate for a UK-only band, but if we are looking towards an international 500kHz band, it seems a bit low if international amateur communications using "conventional" HF-like techniques are going to be possible on a routine basis over the longer distances. There doesn't seem to be any problems due to the existing 0.1W level on 500kHz, and 1W ERP is still very low compared to other spectrum users in this frequency range. So if the possibility of an increased ERP limit exists, I would go for at least 1W ERP, or more if you feel it could be justified to Ofcom. A TX output power limit by itself would be OK, provided that power limit was quite high. But if Ofcom are concerned to limit the maximum field strength due to amateur transmissions, then they would have to specify low maximum power to cover the case of an amateur using a relatively efficient antenna with the "legal limit" TX power. A low TX power would then severely restrict the possibilities of the band for stations with small antennas and very limited possibilities for improving them. Rik's suggestion is quite nice from an amateur's point of view, in that it gives an "incentive" to produce more efficient antennas, but at the same time would allow stations who are unable to put up efficient antennas due to restricted space, etc., still to produce a usable signal by throwing more power at the antenna. But I think it could be difficult to sell such a proposal to Ofcom. For the sake of argument, take Rik's figures - in principle, there is no limit to the ERP that could be obtained with 20W TX power limit, given gain antennas. Practical large amateur antennas could give at least several watts ERP with 20W TX power. If Ofcom accept this, what is the motivation from a regulatory viewpoint for restricting amateurs with inefficient antennas to 100mW ERP? Why would they care how much power the transmitter generates, provided the actual amount of power radiated remains reasonably low? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237273523406800751 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs378183hue; Thu, 24 May 2007 13:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.118.8 with SMTP id v8mr2398081ugm.1180038578740; Thu, 24 May 2007 13:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o30si6444735ugd.2007.05.24.13.29.36; Thu, 24 May 2007 13:29:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HrJry-0008NJ-Az for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 21:25:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HrJrx-0008NA-Sa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 21:25:09 +0100 Received: from heisenberg.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.141]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrJru-0001Gu-3D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 21:25:09 +0100 Received: from [212.23.8.62] (helo=localhost) by heisenberg.zen.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HrJrt-0003cc-8z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 20:25:05 +0000 To: From: John W Gould Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 20:25:05 GMT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-Ip: [81.98.34.133] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.5 Message-ID: X-Originating-Heisenberg-IP: [212.23.8.62] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500kHz Distance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1553 Thanks Jim, I tend to agree with you, but I'm not quite sure whether you are supporting the 20W power to the aerial limit, with the additional ERP ceiling that Rik was proposing. Apologies for not understanding, but I'm feeling jaded having spent the day digging trenches and about 2 hours networking my laptop to my daughter's PC to get Internet access! 73 John, G3WKL James Moritz wrote : > Dear John, Rik, LF Group, > > I would agree with Rik's comments. Experimentation on 136k (and 73k) over > the last several years has given us a pretty good idea of how to optimise > the efficiency of small LF antennas, but it has also shown that, once "best > practice" has been employed, one quickly reaches a point of diminishing > returns where further improvements have negligible effect on the radiated > signal level. Beyond this, significant improvement in antenna performance > can only really be achieved by increasing the physical dimensions of the > antenna, which is usually not feasible for non-technical reasons. The same > is certainly true for 500kHz, although the antennas are effectively a bit > better to begin with. So however much one may strive to improve antenna > efficiency, and whatever incentives there are, beyond a certain point it > just isn't possible without discovery of some revolutionary and unknown new > antenna design principle, which one cannot rely on ever happening (I > hesitate to mention "Poynting vector synthesis"...). The 1W ERP limit on > 136k has given us a fair amount of freedom and flexibility and has led to > some interesting technical challenges and solutions (e.g. how to > economically generate a lot of TX power and feed it into a tiny antenna > without something going up in smoke :-) ) - I don't think the last several > years on LF would have been nearly so rewarding if TX power had been limited > to 10 or 20 watts as is currently being suggested for 500kHz. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237273523406800751 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs377329hue; Thu, 24 May 2007 13:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.243.4 with SMTP id q4mr2349703ugh.1180037336208; Thu, 24 May 2007 13:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id x33si4555775ugc.2007.05.24.13.08.53; Thu, 24 May 2007 13:08:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HrJUs-0008Gc-5b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 21:01:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HrJUr-0008GT-As for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 21:01:17 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.62]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrJUq-0007iW-5t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 21:01:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 69388 invoked from network); 24 May 2007 20:01:09 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Received:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=G1YXasx1flb7VKh/xh+tIWCVQGxve2VcxeqT5vRFp4q4w4h8YlWxBx4wmxRdSVsYCDrRLKQHsur0wKiu9zp70jlvqMFt1Fg9DIrhA0/4zdarm0t9CXARckXYuOBK4LyPV9iUc3vB/Pr1NKoxknw98qw0YolPtLbRt9NnUx0zQL4= ; Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.58.148 with login) by smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 May 2007 20:01:08 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: YLS_3TYVM1mpKX.ZPYeS7_BBkU6hV44lM4Y_3GV5uHoz_T4nU7kB9DKTKbnyzFEUsytPY0xDGA-- Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.5.467 [269.7.7/816]); Thu, 24 May 2007 21:01:22 +0100 Message-ID: <002901c79e3e$4d5f4a40$943a8351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 21:01:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.535 Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz Distance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1554 Dear John, Rik, LF Group, I would agree with Rik's comments. Experimentation on 136k (and 73k) over the last several years has given us a pretty good idea of how to optimise the efficiency of small LF antennas, but it has also shown that, once "best practice" has been employed, one quickly reaches a point of diminishing returns where further improvements have negligible effect on the radiated signal level. Beyond this, significant improvement in antenna performance can only really be achieved by increasing the physical dimensions of the antenna, which is usually not feasible for non-technical reasons. The same is certainly true for 500kHz, although the antennas are effectively a bit better to begin with. So however much one may strive to improve antenna efficiency, and whatever incentives there are, beyond a certain point it just isn't possible without discovery of some revolutionary and unknown new antenna design principle, which one cannot rely on ever happening (I hesitate to mention "Poynting vector synthesis"...). The 1W ERP limit on 136k has given us a fair amount of freedom and flexibility and has led to some interesting technical challenges and solutions (e.g. how to economically generate a lot of TX power and feed it into a tiny antenna without something going up in smoke :-) ) - I don't think the last several years on LF would have been nearly so rewarding if TX power had been limited to 10 or 20 watts as is currently being suggested for 500kHz. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237273523406800751 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs354803hue; Thu, 24 May 2007 04:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.222.9 with SMTP id u9mr2102061ugg.1180006902650; Thu, 24 May 2007 04:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j3si4597494ugd.2007.05.24.04.41.39; Thu, 24 May 2007 04:41:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HrBbF-0007KV-6R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:35:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HrBbE-0007KM-JG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:35:20 +0100 Received: from pythagoras.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.140]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrBbB-0005En-Og for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:35:20 +0100 Received: from [212.23.8.62] (helo=localhost) by pythagoras.zen.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HrBb9-0000NV-1D; Thu, 24 May 2007 11:35:15 +0000 To: Alan Ibbetson , , From: John W Gould Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:35:14 GMT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-Ip: [81.98.34.133] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.5 Message-ID: X-Originating-Pythagoras-IP: [212.23.8.62] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500kHz Distance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1555 Alan, thanks for your comments appreciating the work that has gone on these past years to get to this position. As I said in my reply to Laurence it's very much a team effort as you appreciate, with thanks to Colin and also RSGB HQ. Noted your comments re power. Your less of a novice that I as you are at least on the band! 73 John, G3WKL Alan Ibbetson wrote : > John, > > I think your group has done a fantastic job getting UK amateurs the > first general operating permits for 500K in Europe. > > I'm interested in aerial experiments but, to make this offer some > returns on the effort, I would favour a power limit at the aerial input, > as we have on the higher bands. That way I will be motivated to make my > electrically small aerial as efficient as possible within its domestic > setting. > > I don't really mind what that power limit is. Although 20W or more might > be nice for DXing, it doesn't seem necessary for inter-UK contacts. I > would be happy with 4 or 5W, which is what most people seem to be > running. Once other countries gain access to the band I think there will > be stronger case for higher power. > > I'm a newcomer to the band, so treat these comments as "from a novice". > > 73, > > Alan G3XAQ > > In message ,&lang=en">Zen-1HqyLJ-0000Zb-HL@heisenberg.zen.co.uk>, > John W Gould > &lang=en">jwgould@iee.org.uk> > writes > >Thought that I had better respond to Laurie's e-mail, now a few days ago. > > > >This is because the matter of the power level is to an extent under > >review by Ofcom. If you recall we, RSGB, asked back in 2004 for a 1W > >ERP limit as that was consistent with experience at 136kHz. A ERP > >limit also gives Ofcom a real view as to what the likely coverage would > >be at any particular bandwidth. That we were offered -10dBW ERP > >reflects both a bold step by Ofcom and also some caution, given that > >they have to an extent taken an interesting view of ITU Radio > >Regulation 5.58 to our benefit. RR 5.58 defines 500kHz as an > >international distress and calling frequency for Morse radiotelegraphy. > >Ofcom may have taken the decision as they may expect to be withdrawn at > >WRC07, and on knowledge that in this part of the world 500kHz is no > >longer used as an international distress calling frequency. Other > >authorities have not been so minded, as Dick, PA0SE, recently > >discovered; they prefer to wait until such time as RR 5.58 has been > deleted. > > > >Whilst we are currently limited to -10dBW RSGB/Ofcom are keeping the > >matter under review and it may be timely, now that we have a good body > >of experience to request that the limit be reconsidered. As far as I > >am aware no interference complaints, or even local RFI problems have > >been received, and our operating and conformance to licencing > >conditions have been exemplary. From comments on this group it may be > >better to request say a 10 or 20W power limit at the aerial feed-point, > >for reasons mentioned by Laurie. Whatever change to the limit is > >agreed, if indeed any in the near term, it will have to be a cautious > >change until such time as the Radio Regulations are more helpful in > >allowing administrations to consider proper secondary allocation to the > >Amateur service. This may or may not happen for a while, as we are > >only really working at present to get the matter firmly on the WRC2011 > >agenda, such is the speed of the ITU. There is good practical reason > >for making a request of this nature as one of the reasons why the ITU > >process seems so slow is that for normal protocol to be followed one > >needs to have had technical studies completed that relate to the new > >proposals for the part of the spectrum in question. Our activity > >between 502 and 504kHz, along with that by the US, Germany and Sweden > >may qualify as such a study, so continuing the experiments at a higher > >power, with the added challenge of maximising ERP from a fixed > >feed-point power limit would add some breadth to our work. > > > >Of course, the unexpected could always happen, and we get something > >sooner in the margins of Agenda Item 1.14 at this year's WRC. However, > >as Agenda Item 1.14 is to review the operational procedures and > >requirements for GMDSS and other related provisions our chances are > >slim, as the Maritime service is likely to want to reuse the frequency > >around 500kHz. However, it is an agenda item concerning this part of > >the spectrum so the possibility, however distant, must be there. > > > >I'd be interested in any further views to Laurie's proposal; I'am open > >to suggestions as to the power level, but it will be important to hit a > >target that is both challenging to the experimenter, helpful for > >continued propagation research and also one that will not provide too > >much risk for Ofcom in terms of coordination with the primary user service. > > > >73 John, G3WKL > >RSGB HF Manager > >IARU Region 1 LF Coordinator > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > Alan G3XAQ > alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237273523406800751 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs354778hue; Thu, 24 May 2007 04:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.10 with SMTP id d10mr2104586ugm.1180006844146; Thu, 24 May 2007 04:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id k2si4057928ugf.2007.05.24.04.40.38; Thu, 24 May 2007 04:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HrBcu-0007M1-GX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:37:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HrBcu-0007Ls-20 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:37:04 +0100 Received: from pythagoras.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.140]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrBcq-0006Im-6p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:37:03 +0100 Received: from [212.23.8.62] (helo=localhost) by pythagoras.zen.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HrBcp-0002Dj-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 11:36:59 +0000 To: From: John W Gould Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 11:36:59 GMT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-Ip: [81.98.34.133] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.5 Message-ID: X-Originating-Pythagoras-IP: [212.23.8.62] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500kHz Distance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1556 Thanks Rik, that's an interesting thought to have a max ERP stipulated. It might make matters easier with Ofcom as they would be able to consider the worst case. 73 John, G3WKL Rik Strobbe wrote : > > I'd be interested in any further views to Laurie's proposal; I'am > > open to suggestions as to the power level, but it will be important > > to hit a target that is both challenging to the experimenter, > > helpful for continued propagation research and also one that will > > not provide too much risk for Ofcom in terms of coordination with > > John, > > a 10 or 20 Watt Tx power limitation would probably allow a few Watt > ERP for big antennas (and low losses). But the poor guy with the small > backyard antenna will not be able to reach 100mW ERP. > Maybe a "OR" limitation would serve best: 20W TX power or 100mW ERP > (meaning: you can use whatever power needed to get 100mW ERP but if > you reach 100mW ERP with less than 20W you can "pump up" to 20W) > > 73, Rik ON7YD > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237273523406800751 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs347688hue; Thu, 24 May 2007 00:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.44.4 with SMTP id w4mr1921152ugj.1179990029275; Thu, 24 May 2007 00:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c1si4298487ugf.2007.05.24.00.00.26; Thu, 24 May 2007 00:00:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hr7FS-0006Zb-9G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 07:56:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hr7FR-0006ZS-Ir for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 07:56:33 +0100 Received: from rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.42]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hr7FQ-0005TP-Bu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 07:56:33 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06A4B1D7981 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:56:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps01 (octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.71]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 095C01D7972 for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:56:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps01 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtps01 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AEC52E690D; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:56:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail1.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail1.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.3]) by smtps01 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4606E2E68CB for ; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:56:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail1.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 0575F1A9834; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:56:35 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 197.42-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (197.42-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.42.197]) by webmail3.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Thu, 24 May 2007 08:56:35 +0200 Message-ID: <20070524085635.lqbpauz17m04gkwg@webmail3.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 08:56:35 +0200 From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.42.197 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.013 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500kHz Distance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1557 > I'd be interested in any further views to Laurie's proposal; I'am > open to suggestions as to the power level, but it will be important > to hit a target that is both challenging to the experimenter, > helpful for continued propagation research and also one that will > not provide too much risk for Ofcom in terms of coordination with John, a 10 or 20 Watt Tx power limitation would probably allow a few Watt ERP for big antennas (and low losses). But the poor guy with the small backyard antenna will not be able to reach 100mW ERP. Maybe a "OR" limitation would serve best: 20W TX power or 100mW ERP (meaning: you can use whatever power needed to get 100mW ERP but if you reach 100mW ERP with less than 20W you can "pump up" to 20W) 73, Rik ON7YD Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237273523406800751 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs335447hue; Wed, 23 May 2007 15:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.255.7 with SMTP id c7mr1680762ugi.1179958907474; Wed, 23 May 2007 15:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id k30si118084ugc.2007.05.23.15.21.44; Wed, 23 May 2007 15:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hqz7a-00057V-6v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 23:15:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hqz7Z-00057M-KP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 23:15:53 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.92]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hqz7Y-00042g-ED for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 23:15:53 +0100 Received: from g3xaq.demon.co.uk ([80.176.129.138]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hqz7X-0002rn-EJ; Wed, 23 May 2007 22:15:51 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 23:14:43 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: colin@g3psm.net From: Alan Ibbetson References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-S (<7srEZhc6E9URia1sWEYXKv9liU>) X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.224 Subject: Re: LF: RE: 500kHz Distance Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1558 John, I think your group has done a fantastic job getting UK amateurs the first general operating permits for 500K in Europe. I'm interested in aerial experiments but, to make this offer some returns on the effort, I would favour a power limit at the aerial input, as we have on the higher bands. That way I will be motivated to make my electrically small aerial as efficient as possible within its domestic setting. I don't really mind what that power limit is. Although 20W or more might be nice for DXing, it doesn't seem necessary for inter-UK contacts. I would be happy with 4 or 5W, which is what most people seem to be running. Once other countries gain access to the band I think there will be stronger case for higher power. I'm a newcomer to the band, so treat these comments as "from a novice". 73, Alan G3XAQ In message , John W Gould writes >Thought that I had better respond to Laurie's e-mail, now a few days ago. > >This is because the matter of the power level is to an extent under >review by Ofcom. If you recall we, RSGB, asked back in 2004 for a 1W >ERP limit as that was consistent with experience at 136kHz. A ERP >limit also gives Ofcom a real view as to what the likely coverage would >be at any particular bandwidth. That we were offered -10dBW ERP >reflects both a bold step by Ofcom and also some caution, given that >they have to an extent taken an interesting view of ITU Radio >Regulation 5.58 to our benefit. RR 5.58 defines 500kHz as an >international distress and calling frequency for Morse radiotelegraphy. >Ofcom may have taken the decision as they may expect to be withdrawn at >WRC07, and on knowledge that in this part of the world 500kHz is no >longer used as an international distress calling frequency. Other >authorities have not been so minded, as Dick, PA0SE, recently >discovered; they prefer to wait until such time as RR 5.58 has been deleted. > >Whilst we are currently limited to -10dBW RSGB/Ofcom are keeping the >matter under review and it may be timely, now that we have a good body >of experience to request that the limit be reconsidered. As far as I >am aware no interference complaints, or even local RFI problems have >been received, and our operating and conformance to licencing >conditions have been exemplary. From comments on this group it may be >better to request say a 10 or 20W power limit at the aerial feed-point, >for reasons mentioned by Laurie. Whatever change to the limit is >agreed, if indeed any in the near term, it will have to be a cautious >change until such time as the Radio Regulations are more helpful in >allowing administrations to consider proper secondary allocation to the >Amateur service. This may or may not happen for a while, as we are >only really working at present to get the matter firmly on the WRC2011 >agenda, such is the speed of the ITU. There is good practical reason >for making a request of this nature as one of the reasons why the ITU >process seems so slow is that for normal protocol to be followed one >needs to have had technical studies completed that relate to the new >proposals for the part of the spectrum in question. Our activity >between 502 and 504kHz, along with that by the US, Germany and Sweden >may qualify as such a study, so continuing the experiments at a higher >power, with the added challenge of maximising ERP from a fixed >feed-point power limit would add some breadth to our work. > >Of course, the unexpected could always happen, and we get something >sooner in the margins of Agenda Item 1.14 at this year's WRC. However, >as Agenda Item 1.14 is to review the operational procedures and >requirements for GMDSS and other related provisions our chances are >slim, as the Maritime service is likely to want to reuse the frequency >around 500kHz. However, it is an agenda item concerning this part of >the spectrum so the possibility, however distant, must be there. > >I'd be interested in any further views to Laurie's proposal; I'am open >to suggestions as to the power level, but it will be important to hit a >target that is both challenging to the experimenter, helpful for >continued propagation research and also one that will not provide too >much risk for Ofcom in terms of coordination with the primary user service. > >73 John, G3WKL >RSGB HF Manager >IARU Region 1 LF Coordinator > > > > > > -- Cheers, Alan G3XAQ alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237273523406800751 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs334202hue; Wed, 23 May 2007 14:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.218.15 with SMTP id q15mr1641502ugg.1179955981988; Wed, 23 May 2007 14:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j3si3826097ugd.2007.05.23.14.32.59; Wed, 23 May 2007 14:33:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqyLM-0004l3-6g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 22:26:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqyLL-0004ku-H5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 22:26:03 +0100 Received: from heisenberg.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.141]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqyLK-0006dc-Ne for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 22:26:03 +0100 Received: from [212.23.8.62] (helo=localhost) by heisenberg.zen.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HqyLJ-0000Zb-HL; Wed, 23 May 2007 21:26:01 +0000 To: From: John W Gould Cc: Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 21:26:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-Ip: [81.98.34.133] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.5 Message-ID: X-Originating-Heisenberg-IP: [212.23.8.62] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: 500kHz Distance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1559 Thought that I had better respond to Laurie's e-mail, now a few days ago. This is because the matter of the power level is to an extent under review by Ofcom. If you recall we, RSGB, asked back in 2004 for a 1W ERP limit as that was consistent with experience at 136kHz. A ERP limit also gives Ofcom a real view as to what the likely coverage would be at any particular bandwidth. That we were offered -10dBW ERP reflects both a bold step by Ofcom and also some caution, given that they have to an extent taken an interesting view of ITU Radio Regulation 5.58 to our benefit. RR 5.58 defines 500kHz as an international distress and calling frequency for Morse radiotelegraphy. Ofcom may have taken the decision as they may expect to be withdrawn at WRC07, and on knowledge that in this part of the world 500kHz is no longer used as an international distress calling frequency. Other authorities have not been so minded, as Dick, PA0SE, recently discovered; they prefer to wait until such time as RR 5.58 has been deleted. Whilst we are currently limited to -10dBW RSGB/Ofcom are keeping the matter under review and it may be timely, now that we have a good body of experience to request that the limit be reconsidered. As far as I am aware no interference complaints, or even local RFI problems have been received, and our operating and conformance to licencing conditions have been exemplary. From comments on this group it may be better to request say a 10 or 20W power limit at the aerial feed-point, for reasons mentioned by Laurie. Whatever change to the limit is agreed, if indeed any in the near term, it will have to be a cautious change until such time as the Radio Regulations are more helpful in allowing administrations to consider proper secondary allocation to the Amateur service. This may or may not happen for a while, as we are only really working at present to get the matter firmly on the WRC2011 agenda, such is the speed of the ITU. There is good practical reason for making a request of this nature as one of the reasons why the ITU process seems so slow is that for normal protocol to be followed one needs to have had technical studies completed that relate to the new proposals for the part of the spectrum in question. Our activity between 502 and 504kHz, along with that by the US, Germany and Sweden may qualify as such a study, so continuing the experiments at a higher power, with the added challenge of maximising ERP from a fixed feed-point power limit would add some breadth to our work. Of course, the unexpected could always happen, and we get something sooner in the margins of Agenda Item 1.14 at this year's WRC. However, as Agenda Item 1.14 is to review the operational procedures and requirements for GMDSS and other related provisions our chances are slim, as the Maritime service is likely to want to reuse the frequency around 500kHz. However, it is an agenda item concerning this part of the spectrum so the possibility, however distant, must be there. I'd be interested in any further views to Laurie's proposal; I'am open to suggestions as to the power level, but it will be important to hit a target that is both challenging to the experimenter, helpful for continued propagation research and also one that will not provide too much risk for Ofcom in terms of coordination with the primary user service. 73 John, G3WKL RSGB HF Manager IARU Region 1 LF Coordinator From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237460762110198216 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs464131hue; Sat, 26 May 2007 14:49:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.217.5 with SMTP id p5mr1329124ugg.1180216194923; Sat, 26 May 2007 14:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 13si8043777ugb.2007.05.26.14.49.51; Sat, 26 May 2007 14:49:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hs45c-0006jW-3P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 22:46:20 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hs45a-0006jN-9f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 22:46:18 +0100 Received: from web86403.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.120]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hs45Z-0006Ai-Gr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 22:46:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 69704 invoked by uid 60001); 26 May 2007 21:46:12 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Wh9VA8e3byQVi9AKA+4xEGFzITr+MwarRfEQVgXwAPQ6xABdg1RbOEeWs8nrMknKdhqGXvOu+P6fuya/MTBm7sNr1pVBOLiIrmh2BA4XTiNnpweeOp/3DQJS8EsUaBuy/UE4GUEMOCeeurg4Ju4mFCXKHme96xz8zTNEGzjYTYs=; X-YMail-OSG: PT2I6yEVM1lGzEap1ORWWC26aLm4hvIFHFCAtk1fgAcJ5657ojkdJwYK6dG0SuCmHg-- Received: from [80.6.40.58] by web86403.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 May 2007 22:46:11 BST Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 22:46:11 +0100 (BST) From: CHRISTOPHER OSBORN To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <8bf118410705261200t6392fe65j76a0384e7cf3dd41@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <951223.68519.qm@web86403.mail.ird.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: QRSS on 500 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-107548387-1180215971=:68519" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1560 --0-107548387-1180215971=:68519 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mal / Dave, Thanks for your comments. CW QSO's at present are quite heavy going with the high QRN level. I use earphones most of the time and it's not very pleasant. No damaged eardrums with QRSS - HI ! Dave, although we are strong with each other on CW why not try dropping power right down and seeing how we do on the slower modes ? I was adjusting my TX today and can reduce the output to a few millwatts of RF (into a dummy load). I said in my N.O.V.application that I wanted to experiment over moderate distances with minute power levels. Point noted about slower modes being best at the top end of the band. There were a few stations braving the QRN today. I managed to work G4GDR, G3UNT and G3XAQ. I later heard Mal calling CQ but my rig was being 'played with' at the time. 73 Chris G3XIZ Dave Pick wrote: Chris Sounds good to me, I suggest the top end of the band which is QRM'd by RTE's 2nd harmonic at night so isn't much use for CW. Not much point in us two working on QRSS though as we can exchange a strong CW signal. I have permission to use digital modes too and, although I see the appeal of a nice CW QSO when the signals are good, if we want to work further afield at this power level we're going to have to use QRSS, Wolf, Jason and all the other modes we've tried on 136. Part of my application rested on experimenting with these techniques in the presence of the faster QSB cycles that we see on 500k so I guess I'd better do it! -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK --------------------------------- Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Tryit now. --0-107548387-1180215971=:68519 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mal / Dave,

Thanks for your comments.

CW QSO's at present are quite heavy going with the high QRN level.
I use earphones most of the time and it's not very pleasant.
No damaged eardrums with QRSS - HI !

Dave, although we are strong with each other on CW why not try dropping power right down and seeing how we do on the slower modes ?
I was adjusting my TX today and can reduce the output to a few millwatts of RF (into a dummy load).
I said in my N.O.V.application that I wanted to experiment over moderate distances with minute power levels.

Point noted about slower modes being best at the top end of the band.

There were a few stations braving the QRN today.
I managed to work G4GDR, G3UNT and G3XAQ.
I later heard Mal calling CQ but my rig was being 'played with' at the time.

73 Chris G3XIZ

Dave Pick <daveyxm@googlemail.com> wrote:

Chris

Sounds good to me, I suggest the top end of the band which is QRM'd by RTE's 2nd harmonic at night so isn't much use for CW. Not much point in us two working on QRSS though as we can exchange a strong CW signal.
I have permission to use digital modes too and, although I see the appeal of a nice CW QSO when the signals are good, if we want to work further afield at this power level we're going to have to use QRSS, Wolf, Jason and all the other modes we've tried on 136. Part of my application rested on experimenting with these techniques in the presence of the faster QSB cycles that we see on 500k so I guess I'd better do it!

--
G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. --0-107548387-1180215971=:68519-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237460762110198216 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs427595hue; Fri, 25 May 2007 16:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.40.12 with SMTP id s12mr3266703ugj.1180134547155; Fri, 25 May 2007 16:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q1si4271028uge.2007.05.25.16.09.02; Fri, 25 May 2007 16:09:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hrioz-0004al-LZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 00:03:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hrioy-0004ac-UO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 00:03:44 +0100 Received: from web86404.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.121]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hriox-0007zv-UY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 May 2007 00:03:44 +0100 Received: (qmail 51248 invoked by uid 60001); 25 May 2007 23:03:38 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=1KmQ9o6LY+XjRdevcHHGZ4hqKko0rXGvpCc3XAwUnQhtjIqfJWP833fMAodTBuhBvfPeljfqhURlK67fAAV8lSJ/akcn9gsj4+lBQ7u198SK5VYHk7tpzOciOiNlqMg/Byq+NqektiaTAQH/geksV0/fsKyUU3WJ1D72qabWOSM=; X-YMail-OSG: xcFdWw0VM1mhC4MmqJ4GT3eMcdQzSOZF.HFM5YvDLabQHSDSwQ2B.dqXODOzsJkwSONYMxuy1sh49EipzeNo_og- Received: from [80.6.40.58] by web86404.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 26 May 2007 00:03:37 BST Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 00:03:37 +0100 (BST) From: CHRISTOPHER OSBORN To: LF group MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <999493.49098.qm@web86404.mail.ird.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: QRSS on 500 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-377153036-1180134217=:49098" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1561 --0-377153036-1180134217=:49098 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It appears that the use of QRSS modes on 500 kHz is unfortunately somewhat contraversial. Admittedly this band has a particular historical heritage and it would be a shame were traditional CW to become a minority mode. I prefer manual CW to any other mode but QRSS has its place too. My N.O.V. entitles me to use CW, QRSS and DFCW on 500 kHz. As far as I am aware there is at present no 'gentleman's agreement' for band segmentation regarding the various modes. Maybe after nearly 3 months into the year's trial it might be opportune to consider one. The usefulness of QRSS is obvious but appears to need restating: a) Those amateurs who are not fortunate enough to generate a strong (or even decent) signal may still work other, even DX stations. b) QRSS QSO's may be time-shared with other activities e.g. construction or metal work. c) It generates a bigger 'presence' on the band - useful for any interested parties who may be testing an RX, aerial system or investigating propagation. d) It allows the involvement of some of our more distant non-G friends who may be interested in the band yet have no transmit entitlement. e) The bandwidth of QRSS is very narrow and hence spectrum efficient. Have there been any UK 2-way QRSS QSO's on 500 kHz ? Is there any interest in having QSO's in this mode? I anticipate reducing my transmit power by say 40 dB and calling CQ late at night in QRSS. At this low level it should cause no interference to any CW activity. If there are no serious objections then I shall suggest a frequency and time at a later date. 73 Chris G3XIZ --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. --0-377153036-1180134217=:49098 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It appears that the use of QRSS modes on 500 kHz is unfortunately somewhat contraversial.

Admittedly this band has a particular historical heritage and it would be a shame were traditional CW to become a minority mode.

I prefer manual CW to any other mode but QRSS has its place too.
My N.O.V. entitles me to use CW, QRSS and DFCW on 500 kHz.
As far as I am aware there is at present no 'gentleman's agreement' for band segmentation regarding the various modes.
Maybe after nearly 3 months into the year's trial it might be opportune to consider one.

The usefulness of QRSS is obvious but appears to need restating:

a) Those amateurs who are not fortunate enough to generate a strong (or even decent) signal may still work other, even DX stations.
b) QRSS QSO's may be time-shared with other activities e.g. construction or metal work.
c) It generates a bigger 'presence' on the band - useful for any interested parties who may be testing an RX, aerial system or investigating propagation.
d) It allows the involvement of some of our more distant non-G friends who may be interested in the band yet have no transmit entitlement.
e) The bandwidth of QRSS is very narrow and hence spectrum efficient.

Have there been any UK 2-way QRSS QSO's on 500 kHz ?
Is there any interest in having QSO's in this mode?

I anticipate reducing my transmit power by say 40 dB and calling CQ late at night in QRSS. At this low level it should cause no interference to any CW activity.
If there are no serious objections then I shall suggest a frequency and time at a later date.

73 Chris G3XIZ

Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. --0-377153036-1180134217=:49098-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237004198239641635 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs204466hue; Sun, 20 May 2007 15:21:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.88.20 with SMTP id q20mr2923125ugl.1179699686773; Sun, 20 May 2007 15:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o1si4416821uge.2007.05.20.15.21.23; Sun, 20 May 2007 15:21:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HptjV-0000d7-Cw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:18:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HptjV-0000cy-0Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:18:33 +0100 Received: from web86406.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.123]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HptjU-0005u1-B8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:18:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 73447 invoked by uid 60001); 20 May 2007 22:18:24 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=Z5mnOUM2JqgUEEgWG0f9e0+NQbAvTS8VdSmoG1kX0Nwawwexx2QIX6w/Kn4O6hXZxZiRsM3MIwR0hDrUtzQiT/4Mc7Mj0SsuHcCApd2o05zd0sXHXYhD72ZYu8QWtJkRaUezQnhiyL2fy3bIoS6lDEnsHKNoThLtyKNTA99oo/U=; X-YMail-OSG: .1ZbEg8VM1kwRHAi_ZjxO07QZnd_BdW7hjt5YMkJnFBzf30xsixW02qNl7dqjqCowecYhrcq6w-- Received: from [80.6.40.58] by web86406.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:18:24 BST Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 23:18:24 +0100 (BST) From: CHRISTOPHER OSBORN To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000001c79b2b$7d772dd0$0600a8c0@rtv5f9d8dfdf44> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <248921.72033.qm@web86406.mail.ird.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: [500] G3XIZ_QRSS3 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1377362910-1179699504=:72033" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1581 --0-1377362910-1179699504=:72033 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Many thanks Bob, Most useful info. Time for bed . . . 73 Chris G3XIZ Lubom�r Bobal�k wrote: Clean DocumentEmail 21 MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Norm�ln� tabulka"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman";} Nice QRSS3 signal, Chris. Thank�s for interesting experiments Dave and Chris! G3XIZ IO92UB � 1267km G3WCB IO91RM � 1275km Bob, OK2BVG, JN88KS --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. --0-1377362910-1179699504=:72033 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Many thanks Bob,
Most useful info.
Time for bed . . .
73 Chris G3XIZ

Lubom�r Bobal�k <lubomir.bobalik@rtv5.cz> wrote:

Nice QRSS3 signal, Chris.

Thank�s for interesting experiments Dave and Chris!

G3XIZ IO92UB � 1267km

G3WCB IO91RM � 1275km

Bob, OK2BVG, JN88KS

Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. --0-1377362910-1179699504=:72033-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237004198239641635 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs204304hue; Sun, 20 May 2007 15:12:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.32.16 with SMTP id k16mr2893216ugj.1179699133320; Sun, 20 May 2007 15:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 29si793924uga.2007.05.20.15.12.11; Sun, 20 May 2007 15:12:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HptaZ-0000Qv-Sr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:09:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HptaZ-0000Qm-G6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:09:19 +0100 Received: from proxy45.bvx.cz ([212.96.165.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HptaY-0005p3-Gw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:09:19 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by proxy45.bvx.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B7144E4FF9 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 00:11:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at smtp.bvx.cz Received: from proxy45.bvx.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (proxy45.bvx.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2hHbHhYijeLw for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 00:11:28 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rtv5f9d8dfdf44 (u-220-36.breclav.lan [192.168.220.36]) by proxy45.bvx.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id A90AB4E4FDB for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 00:11:28 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Lubom=EDr_Bobal=EDk?= To: Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 00:09:09 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c79b2b$7d772dd0$0600a8c0@rtv5f9d8dfdf44> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: [500] G3XIZ_QRSS3 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C79B3C.40FFFDD0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1582 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C79B3C.40FFFDD0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C79B3C.40FFFDD0" ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C79B3C.40FFFDD0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nice QRSS3 signal, Chris. =20 Thank=B4s for interesting experiments Dave and Chris! =20 G3XIZ IO92UB - 1267km G3WCB IO91RM - 1275km =20 Bob, OK2BVG, JN88KS=20 ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C79B3C.40FFFDD0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Nice QRSS3 signal, = Chris.

Thank=B4s for interesting experiments Dave and = Chris!

G3XIZ =A0 = =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 = IO92UB – 1267km

G3WCB =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 IO91RM = – 1275km

Bob, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HsM1H-0002Xw-6E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 17:55:03 +0100 Received: from rutherford.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.142]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsM1G-0006PG-DJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 17:55:03 +0100 Received: from [212.23.8.62] (helo=localhost) by rutherford.zen.co.uk with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HsM1F-0004HA-LH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:55:01 +0000 To: From: John W Gould Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 16:55:01 GMT X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Originating-Ip: [81.98.34.133] X-Mailer: NOCC v0.9.5 Message-ID: X-Originating-Rutherford-IP: [212.23.8.62] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz ERP Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1590 Thanks for your input, Marcus. You usefully considered the issue from a number of perspectives. 73 John, G3WKL MarkusVester@aol.com wrote : > Hi John and LF, > > having never transmitted and only sparadically monitored 500 kHz, I am a little reluctant to state "outsider" opinions in the ongoing UK power limit discussion. Anyway from a more technical perspective, I tend to very much support Jim's views and favour an ERP based limit, if possible on the order of one to ten watts. > > - Innovation: In my opinion, many of the new concepts for LF communication have been centered around optimizing the receive side. FFT-based and coherent reception techniques are now widely employed by amateurs, which would not have been the case if signal strength was not so much limited. Unidirectional receive antennas and noise cancellation approaches are being explored and used. On the other side, maximizing antenna size is not a new art - large and efficient antennas have been the standard method for broadcasting and commercial communications. > > - Equal opportunities: As Jim pointed out, a transmitter power based limit would put many of us who have limited space available practically out of business. This discrimination is probably more severe in the low and medium frequency range, compared to HF where even a tiny or makeshift antenna can have reasonable efficiency. > > - Learning: It has been stated that the requirement of calibrating one's antenna efficiency adds an additional burdon on the operator, compared to simply measuring TX power - agreed. On the other hand, I think this is a good thing: having to learn these techniques, we are also led to understand a lot more of how an antenna works, and what the basic physical limits are. > > - Compatibility and supervision: There is no way of measuring TX power from a distance, and all potential spectrum compatibility issues in the far field would have to be based on ERP assumptions anyway. Limiting transmitter power would seem a bit like imposing a speed limit based on horse power rather than miles per hour... However I have to concede that in close proximity of a small antenna driven by high power, significantly higher reactive nearfields will be present, which may impose additional limits from electromagnetic compatibility issues. > > Best wishes to all > Markus, DF6NM > > > In einer eMail vom 24.05.2007 20:02:55 GMT-Normalzeit schreibt james.moritz@btopenworld.com: > > Dear John, Rik, LF Group, > > I would agree with Rik's comments. Experimentation on 136k (and 73k) over > the last several years has given us a pretty good idea of how to optimise > the efficiency of small LF antennas, but it has also shown that, once "best > practice" has been employed, one quickly reaches a point of diminishing > returns where further improvements have negligible effect on the radiated > signal level. Beyond this, significant improvement in antenna performance > can only really be achieved by increasing the physical dimensions of the > antenna, which is usually not feasible for non-technical reasons. The same > is certainly true for 500kHz, although the antennas are effectively a bit > better to begin with. So however much one may strive to improve antenna > efficiency, and whatever incentives there are, beyond a certain point it > just isn't possible without discovery of some revolutionary and unknown new > antenna design principle, which one cannot rely on ever happening (I > hesitate to mention "Poynting vector synthesis"...). The 1W ERP limit on > 136k has given us a fair amount of freedom and flexibility and has led to > some interesting technical challenges and solutions (e.g. how to > economically generate a lot of TX power and feed it into a tiny antenna > without something going up in smoke :-) ) - I don't think the last several > years on LF would have been nearly so rewarding if TX power had been limited > to 10 or 20 watts as is currently being suggested for 500kHz. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237556603108752218 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs467404hue; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.6 with SMTP id r6mr4093375ugl.1180225947822; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j3si2341533ugd.2007.05.26.17.32.25; Sat, 26 May 2007 17:32:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hs6ab-00070F-N7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 01:26:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hs6aa-000706-VM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 01:26:28 +0100 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hs6aZ-0002gR-VU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 01:26:28 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id l.ce9.10f645f7 (58808) for ; Sat, 26 May 2007 20:26:15 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 26 May 2007 20:26:15 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz ERP Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_ce9.10f645f7.338a2a27_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=CELL_PHONE_BOOST,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1591 --part1_ce9.10f645f7.338a2a27_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John and LF, having never transmitted and only sparadically monitored 500 kHz, I am a=20 little reluctant to state "outsider" opinions in the ongoing UK power limit=20 discussion. Anyway from a more technical perspective, I tend to very much su= pport=20 Jim's views and favour an ERP based limit, if possible on the order of one t= o=20 ten watts. - Innovation: In my opinion, many of the new concepts for LF communication=20 have been centered around optimizing the receive side. FFT-based and coheren= t=20 reception techniques are now widely employed by amateurs, which would not ha= ve=20 been the case if signal strength was not so much limited. Unidirectional=20 receive antennas and noise cancellation approaches are being explored and us= ed. On=20 the other side, maximizing antenna size is not a new art - large and efficie= nt=20 antennas have been the standard method for broadcasting and commercial=20 communications. - Equal opportunities: As Jim pointed out, a transmitter power based limit=20 would put many of us who have limited space available practically out of=20 business. This discrimination is probably more severe in the low and medium=20= frequency=20 range, compared to HF where even a tiny or makeshift antenna can have=20 reasonable efficiency. - Learning: It has been stated that the requirement of calibrating one's=20 antenna efficiency adds an additional burdon on the operator, compared to si= mply=20 measuring TX power - agreed. On the other hand, I think this is a good thing= :=20 having to learn these techniques, we are also led to understand a lot more o= f=20 how an antenna works, and what the basic physical limits are. - Compatibility and supervision: There is no way of measuring TX power from=20= a=20 distance, and all potential spectrum compatibility issues in the far field=20 would have to be based on ERP assumptions anyway. Limiting transmitter power= =20 would seem a bit like imposing a speed limit based on horse power rather tha= n=20 miles per hour... However I have to concede that in close proximity of a sma= ll=20 antenna driven by high power, significantly higher reactive nearfields will=20= be=20 present, which may impose additional limits from electromagnetic compatibili= ty=20 issues. Best wishes to all Markus, DF6NM In einer eMail vom 24.05.2007 20:02:55 GMT-Normalzeit schreibt=20 james.moritz@btopenworld.com:=20 > Dear John, Rik, LF Group, >=20 > I would agree with Rik's comments. Experimentation on 136k (and 73k) over > the last several years has given us a pretty good idea of how to optimise > the efficiency of small LF antennas, but it has also shown that, once "bes= t > practice" has been employed, one quickly reaches a point of diminishing > returns where further improvements have negligible effect on the radiated > signal level. Beyond this, significant improvement in antenna performance > can only really be achieved by increasing the physical dimensions of the > antenna, which is usually not feasible for non-technical reasons. The same > is certainly true for 500kHz, although the antennas are effectively a bit > better to begin with. So however much one may strive to improve antenna > efficiency, and whatever incentives there are, beyond a certain point it > just isn't possible without discovery of some revolutionary and unknown ne= w > antenna design principle, which one cannot rely on ever happening (I > hesitate to mention "Poynting vector synthesis"...). The 1W ERP limit on > 136k has given us a fair amount of freedom and flexibility and has led to > some interesting technical challenges and solutions (e.g. how to > economically generate a lot of TX power and feed it into a tiny antenna > without something going up in smoke :-) ) - I don't think the last several > years on LF would have been nearly so rewarding if TX power had been limit= ed > to 10 or 20 watts as is currently being suggested for 500kHz. >=20 > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU >=20 >=20 =20 --part1_ce9.10f645f7.338a2a27_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi John and LF,

having never transmitted and only sparadically monitored 500 kHz, I am a lit= tle reluctant to state "outsider" opinions in the ongoing UK power limit dis= cussion. Anyway from a more technical perspective, I tend to very much suppo= rt Jim's views and favour an ERP based limit, if possible on the order of on= e to ten watts.

- Innovation: In my opinion, many of the new concepts for LF communication h= ave been centered around optimizing the receive side. FFT-based and coherent= reception techniques are now widely employed by amateurs, which would not h= ave been the case if signal strength was not so much limited. Unidirectional= receive antennas and noise cancellation approaches are being explored and u= sed. On the other side, maximizing antenna size is not a new art - large and= efficient antennas have been the standard method for broadcasting and comme= rcial communications.

- Equal opportunities: As Jim pointed out, a transmitter power based limit w= ould put many of us who have limited space available practically out of busi= ness. This discrimination is probably more severe in the low and medium freq= uency range, compared to HF where even a tiny or makeshift antenna can have=20= reasonable efficiency.

- Learning: It has been stated that the requirement of calibrating one's ant= enna efficiency adds an additional burdon on the operator, compared to simpl= y measuring TX power - agreed. On the other hand, I think this is a good thi= ng: having to learn these techniques, we are also led to understand a lot mo= re of how an antenna works, and what the basic physical limits are.

- Compatibility and supervision: There is no way of measuring TX power from=20= a distance, and all potential spectrum compatibility issues in the far field= would have to be based on ERP assumptions anyway. Limiting transmitter powe= r would seem a bit like imposing a speed limit based on horse power rather t= han miles per hour... However I have to concede that in close proximity of a= small antenna driven by high power, significantly higher reactive nearfield= s will be present, which may impose additional limits from electromagnetic c= ompatibility issues.

Best wishes to all
Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 24.05.2007 20:02:55 GMT-Normalzeit schreibt james.moritz@= btopenworld.com:

Dear John, Rik, LF Group,

I would agree with Rik's comments. Experimentation on 136k (and 73k) over the last several years has given us a pretty good idea of how to optimise the efficiency of small LF antennas, but it has also shown that, once "best<= BR> practice" has been employed, one quickly reaches a point of diminishing
returns where further improvements have negligible effect on the radiated signal level. Beyond this, significant improvement in antenna performance can only really be achieved by increasing the physical dimensions of the
antenna, which is usually not feasible for non-technical reasons. The same is certainly true for 500kHz, although the antennas are effectively a bit better to begin with. So however much one may strive to improve antenn= a
efficiency, and whatever incentives there are, beyond a certain point it
just isn't possible without discovery of some revolutionary and unknown new<= BR> antenna design principle, which one cannot rely on ever happening (I
hesitate to mention "Poynting vector synthesis"...). The 1W ERP limit on
136k has given us a fair amount of freedom and flexibility and has led to some interesting technical challenges and solutions (e.g. how to
economically generate a lot of TX power and feed it into a tiny antenna
without something going up in smoke :-) ) - I don't think the last several years on LF would have been nearly so rewarding if TX power had been limited=
to 10 or 20 watts as is currently being suggested for 500kHz.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

--part1_ce9.10f645f7.338a2a27_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237159573890395076 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs274957hue; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.25.9 with SMTP id c9mr667356ugj.1179847311659; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j1si1856118ugf.2007.05.22.08.21.48; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqW71-0007Gp-M7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 16:17:23 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqW71-0007Gg-9d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 16:17:23 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.62]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqW6y-00010J-EG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 16:17:23 +0100 Received: (qmail 39154 invoked from network); 22 May 2007 15:17:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=QnocTFltGErmfaO+Z+JUBuF2WsIULoGca2jPVnZOpO5bzPcENRdUXioqYOUreCilMw/kcM79VwYgFweAFCXqgfMVRY0Y/4O4QX4PRgqeUycsGX5VZDnE0EARG4ZeqLmS44qLXUtYcSFFscLP+u626xC5EvO2S/DaWH68KJbxHIA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.37.242 with login) by smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 May 2007 15:17:13 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: QDdb7IwVM1nRUPM1CV7fM7z4CXJo8iVLjf_7CPsOSXftWRhAxQPPvRKCAQz.nmHxOXhF6sQKmw-- Message-ID: <000e01c79c84$4ece2f60$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:06:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500 ERP, Power etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1598 Hi all, I am a little surprised by the general view that the specification of ERP in the LF and MF bands is for our benefit !! The RA and now Ofcom are worried about interference, and so field strength generated. Field strength is easy to measure from their point of view and has simple relationship to ERP. Allowing a fixed max input power would also surely disadvantage stations like Dave G3YMC (mind you knowing Dave this would just be a challenge !!) Stick with it and if we dont fry all the HDTV sets and zombify all the little darlings who shout rude words at us when they can't have their ball / lager-can (delete as applicable) back we might be rewarded with a bigger allowance. Cheers de Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237599113173809932 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs479923hue; Sun, 27 May 2007 04:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.218.15 with SMTP id q15mr4442891ugg.1180266488806; Sun, 27 May 2007 04:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j34si8575086ugc.2007.05.27.04.48.05; Sun, 27 May 2007 04:48:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HsHBX-0001Vo-IZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 12:45:19 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HsHBX-0001Vf-6l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 12:45:19 +0100 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.226]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsHBW-0006hF-AL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 12:45:19 +0100 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h26so824076wxd for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 04:45:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=RW0FUpcRHakHxRlsoCOKRuCwEaY9a+VUzSgLc8VHhPEIUuSoH2oV++KUacT/m1efzlWpUya6wPvYyXlHy47NOO3QhkCRORsMZGltL9PxenXSwnrGqsYQ6ru0DzvVGmu6/HKSue2Zf86ckJ1Wo5rTpIJS0aeKS0MnJWY5mAhX5Us= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=NhgZmI61LeCsgIRYFDbohtWENh2s6ybKUwPhomYsXwjxa14AWc/5dho6MKddbCBxKiKhyaKFFxqi2F9rqdqNkGHWRjDhCgIEQFJIXomRMHfwlmpn6m3FVg0DC8z1MrzKwp0ww9RLN/o9Rd6Sex3DZicNaM0AoH0N2VaUhPrDT8s= Received: by 10.90.70.10 with SMTP id s10mr3404689aga.1180266317054; Sun, 27 May 2007 04:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.25.20 with HTTP; Sun, 27 May 2007 04:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d2415e0705270445i59e4ffe8j188b28a18400f7cb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:45:17 +0100 From: "lawrence mayhead" To: rsgb MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_SHORT_LENGTH=0.629 Subject: LF: 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_93141_20118946.1180266317029" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1603 ------=_Part_93141_20118946.1180266317029 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline M0FMT 12:15 your CQ sigs 559 here, but no reply to my call ! 73 Laurie G3AQC ------=_Part_93141_20118946.1180266317029 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline M0FMT
12:15 your CQ sigs 559 here, but no reply to my call !
73 Laurie G3AQC
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I can hear u all the time CQ but u cannot hr me it appears. Please direct ur sig towards Earth instead of towards the angels!!!!!!!!!!! 73 Mal/g3kev From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236895163988465647 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs171162hue; Sat, 19 May 2007 10:19:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.93.7 with SMTP id v7mr1989677ugl.1179595150380; Sat, 19 May 2007 10:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id k1si4399108ugf.2007.05.19.10.19.07; Sat, 19 May 2007 10:19:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpSVb-0002d6-0V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 18:14:23 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpSVa-0002cx-I1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 18:14:22 +0100 Received: from psmtp08.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.22]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpSVZ-0001yP-QB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 18:14:22 +0100 Received: from ACER (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp08.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0JIA00IFTT7R0B@psmtp08.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 19:14:16 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 19:14:16 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <000701c79a39$21ae8f90$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): g3yxm.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9/NxYzSzsuuXbBV7RM/wLA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1605 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_9/NxYzSzsuuXbBV7RM/wLA) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_cPsKvg32ZRlgbieV4OC0ow)" --Boundary_(ID_cPsKvg32ZRlgbieV4OC0ow) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT nice capture g3yxm time:17:10utc pa3cpm jo22mb best 73 henny pa3cpm. --Boundary_(ID_cPsKvg32ZRlgbieV4OC0ow) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

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true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAF2cUkbUSnINk2dsb2JhbACLFIUAAgIHBggHBR8 Received: from [88.106.6.109] (port=1914 helo=wgt01) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HqVQt-000Dom-Fh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 15:33:51 +0100 Message-ID: <005a01c79c7e$37bd6580$6d066a58@wgt01> From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <009b01c7971e$660a69c0$16336a58@wgt01> <20070522080805.9228F2E68CA@smtps01> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 15:33:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Antivirus-Scanner: Scanned with ClamAV X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: QRSS.EXE Stop Text CW ID Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1610 Hi All at LF, Just to elaborate on the QRS.EXE problem which is fixed now with QRS.EXE v4.05, thanks to Rik. It occured only when - QSK is enabled - end text is enabled - the QRS (or DFCW) message ends with a space. Rik wrote "What a nasty bug" !! ----- My Original Message ----- I have a little problem withh QRSS.EXE that perhaps one of you can answer. I can set up a QRSS transmission with Start Text CW ID & that works ok but when I use Stop Text CW ID the Tx goes "key up" at the end of QRSS & the Stop ID is not transmitted (ie. QRSS.EXE sends the Stop CW ID but transmitter is un-keyed). From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236537100509831417 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs259205hue; Tue, 22 May 2007 01:14:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.220.12 with SMTP id s12mr423243ugg.1179821696842; Tue, 22 May 2007 01:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id k2si242692ugf.2007.05.22.01.14.53; Tue, 22 May 2007 01:14:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqPQ0-0005iB-PW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:08:32 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqPQ0-0005i2-02 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:08:32 +0100 Received: from nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.41]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqPPh-00074N-4V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:08:30 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B08714D595 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 10:08:07 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps01 (octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.71]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7D5A4D721 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 10:08:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtps01 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtps01 (Postfix) with ESMTP id B15EC2E68CB; Tue, 22 May 2007 10:08:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by smtps01 (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9228F2E68CA for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 10:08:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:10:33 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <009b01c7971e$660a69c0$16336a58@wgt01> References: <009b01c7971e$660a69c0$16336a58@wgt01> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20070522080805.9228F2E68CA@smtps01> X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: QRSS.EXE Stop Text CW ID Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1611 Dear all, the problem in QRS (as mentioned below) is cured. QRS version 4.06 can be downloaded at http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/zip/qrs406.zip 73, Rik ON7YD At 20:25 15/05/2007, you wrote: >Hi All, > >I have a little problem withh QRSS.EXE that perhaps one of you can answer. > >I can set up a QRSS transmission with Start Text CW ID & that works >ok but when I use Stop Text CW ID the Tx goes "key up" at the end of >QRSS & the Stop ID is not transmitted (ie. QRSS.EXE sends the Stop >CW ID but transmitter is un-keyed). > >Because of this I have always used Start CW ID but now I want to use >Stop CW ID. > >Any clues ? > >73 > >Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ >Web site updated 07/05/2007 Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236537100509831417 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs13414hue; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.243.2 with SMTP id q2mr6163055ugh.1179253674285; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q40si5630186ugc.2007.05.15.11.27.50; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:27:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ho1iF-0004yR-Fb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 19:25:31 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ho1iF-0004yI-39 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 19:25:31 +0100 Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.23]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ho1iE-0005rf-Bg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 19:25:31 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAMeXSUbUSnINk2dsb2JhbACIKYJdhHoCAQEHBggMHw Received: from [88.106.51.22] (port=3541 helo=wgt01) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ho1i5-000Guw-Qf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 19:25:22 +0100 Message-ID: <009b01c7971e$660a69c0$16336a58@wgt01> From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF $Rsgb LF Group$" Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 19:25:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: QRSS.EXE Stop Text CW ID Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1612 Hi All, I have a little problem withh QRSS.EXE that perhaps one of you can answer. I can set up a QRSS transmission with Start Text CW ID & that works ok but when I use Stop Text CW ID the Tx goes "key up" at the end of QRSS & the Stop ID is not transmitted (ie. QRSS.EXE sends the Stop CW ID but transmitter is un-keyed). Because of this I have always used Start CW ID but now I want to use Stop CW ID. Any clues ? 73 Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ Web site updated 07/05/2007 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236822520059703810 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs130970hue; Fri, 18 May 2007 22:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.29.7 with SMTP id g7mr1624247ugj.1179554384087; Fri, 18 May 2007 22:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id m1si3534313uge.2007.05.18.22.59.40; Fri, 18 May 2007 22:59:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpHtk-0000Hl-Ve for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 06:54:36 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpHtk-0000Hc-HD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 06:54:36 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.63]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpHtj-0007Rn-Ng for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 06:54:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 90274 invoked from network); 19 May 2007 05:54:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dave) (dsergeant@btinternet.com@86.140.87.66 with login) by smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2007 05:54:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: N9RpnyoVM1kQH_7cXyeTpE7wap9oX7_7jakb0WB4nuvOhBKv_12BG1jKDEmk81rG7HfxpX5NSR4QOpFYDtfOgyiLZpHbynjrLyIq6RYVaDorl0Rl From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 06:54:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <464E9F29.2087.20EDDE@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: References: , X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: [500] Re: G3XAQ on 502.0 KHz Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1613 On 18 May 2007 at 23:02, Dave G3WCB wrote: > When you were calling CQ G3YMC called you, but you obviously couldn't > copy him. Not surprised.... but welcome to 500kHz. You are a good signal (579- 589) here in Bracknell. I seem to be having some difficulties with both the antenna (a 10m base loaded vertical with no top loading) and tx at the moment. Power seems to have dropped from a good 6-7W when I first finished building it to 3W or so now and I am eyeing the 1uF output coupling cap in the PA which I suspect cannot stand the current. Will have a look later today. As for the antenna, I was greatly mislead measuring SWR at the shack end of the coax. One of G4FPQs programs demonstrated quite nicely that if you have a 300 ohm load at the end of 20m of coax you end up with a something not that far from 50 ohms at the tx end! I spent some time getting my noise bridge calibrated and now I can better work out what is going on (but the resolution of noise bridges is somewhat deficient for meaningful measurements down at 500kHz). What it has convinced me is that my ground losses are more like 300 ohms, just as I had found when I used the same vertical on 136kHz. In the longer term I need to spend some time getting it lower, but with a garden with lovely sand about a foot down it is not going to be easy. Last night (in one of our rain showers) I added a step up toroid matching transformer at the vertical end (quite a lot of stuff in the dustbin at the side of it now...). SWR still seems not that bad and the impedance seems not that far from 50 ohms but more checking is needed. I called Alan more out of hope than anything, and was not surprised when he didn't hear me. A QSO with Colin G3VTT earlier in the week and abortive attempts to call G3UNT shows I have a pretty marginal signal in Kent at the moment. Thanks for the reports Dave G3WCB. Bracknell is only around 10 miles from Taplow so hopefully you should hear me pretty well.... Back to the grind... 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236822520059703810 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs123779hue; Fri, 18 May 2007 15:04:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.10 with SMTP id d10mr1354601ugm.1179525871984; Fri, 18 May 2007 15:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 59si3014007ugf.2007.05.18.15.04.29; Fri, 18 May 2007 15:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpAWF-00086v-Og for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 23:01:51 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpAWF-00086m-4k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 23:01:51 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.74]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpAWD-0005SM-Vv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 23:01:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 41547 invoked from network); 18 May 2007 22:01:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To:Importance; b=gZvGYTqwPQn3lxiNPP9K/pBsgRjbMRwyZ6XekUsIsnN1JoOBq/fBSdmBoF55jsIGci/nghfHNsdC0k3HaKxnR5669+zRuMM9SQmfFhQ5mXYxtYXgxQkn7NN+y74vFIFbofj9wTjfX11Oug+Aoo4SSVyaNckM/V011X/iprH/akw= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.134.201.221 with login) by smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2007 22:01:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: c3QrJxMVM1k7nOiDy.oGGMGJc9fmTWMXX6GIw1Fn3OIYxpr5zQp53SYgszHn5Qn5kVBsCnJSnFJnUYhz0icEd.XTebw0RKYzEllP8Lu0mZJXAHSqAm7KiZar3rg- From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 23:02:06 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: [500] Re: G3XAQ on 502.0 KHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1614 Hi, Alan. Thanks for the first QSO. I've captured a 500 kb WAV file if that would be useful. You seemed to get a bit weaker by the end of the QSO, but this band seems to have deep, slow QSB most of the time anyway. When you were calling CQ G3YMC called you, but you obviously couldn't copy him. Welcome to 500k! 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM, Iver, nr Windsor (Slough, also, but we keep quiet about that!) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alan Ibbetson Sent: 18 May 2007 22:21 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: G3XAQ on 502.0 KHz Yes, Gary, I think it's me on the grabber at G3YXM. Do any of the grabbers capture the actual audio so I can listen to my CW note? 72, Alan In message <008001c7998e$b3f608c0$34556a58@wgt01>, Gary - G4WGT writes >Congratulations Alan, > >I can't see anything of you up here in Lancashire but there is a signal >keeps showing on Dave's (G3YXM) 500 KHz grabber on 502.000 KHz, could >it be you ? > >Go to :- > >http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ > >73 > >Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > >http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ >Web site updated 07/05/2007 > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Ibbetson" > >To: >Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 9:38 PM >Subject: LF: G3XAQ on 502.0 KHz > > >>I have today got my 500KHz station on the air. I am located near >>Canterbury, locator JO01md. Here are some technical details. >> >> The aerial is an inverted-L with a 15m vertical and a 35m horizontal >>section. This was originally my top band aerial. I have added a 1mH >>end loading coil (460 turns of 0.5mm enamelled wire on a 38mm OD white >>poly waste pipe occupying 275mm of winding length). The loading coil >>is 14.7m from the far end. I trimmed the 14.7m for resonance at >>502KHz because I wanted a roughly resonant aerial to simplfy feeding, >>but from the way the resonance wanders about as the wind blows I'm >>not convinced this was such a great idea. Standard formulae suggest >>this aerial has a radiation resistance of almost exactly 1 ohm. >> >> The aerial is end fed against a reasonable earth system comprising a >>20m x 20m mat of stock fencing with the sections crimped together. I >>also have about twenty 30m radials. On top band I can work east coast >>US easily with 100W and I have worked VK and W6 with 400W. I was >>quite surprised (well, p****d off) to measure the return loss of the >>aerial system at 502KHz as 22dB. This suggests the input resistance >>is a little over 40 ohms, almost all of which is earth loss >>resistance! So much for my "killer" top band earth mat. >> >> I am using a link-coupled series tuned ATU with a loaded Q of 7 >>placed at the base of the aerial to get the SWR very close to 1:1. >>The 2:1 SWR bandwidth of the aerial system is less than 2 KHz (1KHz >>either side of resonance). >> >> I have built a QRP transmitter using an ECL82 triode pentode, as >>popularised by G0UPL and others. Output is 4 watts. Cathode keying >>with a small choke and 0.5uF capacitor gives a clean 3msec rise and >>fall on the keying waveform, but the un-neutralised PA has a backwave >>that is only 40dB down. I've added a "half wave" filter after the pi >>tank in an effort to avoid QRMing MW broadcast stations. Harmonics >>are over 50dB down. >> >> The main HF station FT1000MP Mk5 seems just OK on 500KHz. Band noise >>is S 1 in a 500Hz passband on the meter. >> >> The rig is crystal controlled on 502.0KHz, so you know where to find >>me! All I need now is some stations to work. "Can you hear me, >>Mother?". >> -- >> Cheers, >> >> Alan G3XAQ >> alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk >> >> >> > > > -- Cheers, Alan G3XAQ alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236181981063443715 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs325233hue; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:23:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.27.15 with SMTP id e15mr3074636ugj.1178915005867; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id m4si6660972ugc.2007.05.11.13.23.23; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:23:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hmbb5-0007IF-16 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 21:20:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hmbb4-0007I6-Lj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 21:20:14 +0100 Received: from smtp-4.orange.nl ([193.252.22.249]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hmbb3-00087F-Ta for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 21:20:14 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6312.orange.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 690061C00085 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 22:20:08 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (cd4400af3.cable.wanadoo.nl [212.64.10.243]) by mwinf6312.orange.nl (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 3D1241C00082 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 22:20:08 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20070511202008250.3D1241C00082@mwinf6312.orange.nl From: "Victor van Kooten" To: "blacksheep" Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:19:35 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: WGT??? 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1624 Nope but he were there at 20:01 BST :-)) Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 14 May 2007 20:03 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Dead Band? > > In a message dated 14/05/2007 20:01:14 GMT Standard Time, > alan.melia@btinternet.com writes: > > There is a strong carrier on 503.33 I think it must be G3UNT from the > strength. > > Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: 14 May 2007 19:36 > Subject: LF: Dead Band? > > > > > > I am calling CQ just below 502. Not a sausage around tonight apart from > > G3YVF testing his loft antenna for 502! > > > > Anybody around tonight? > > > > > > > > G3VTT > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not at 1902z Alan! Brian has been testing but I think he has closed now. > > 73 > > G3VTT > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236448799155617630 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs240151hue; Mon, 14 May 2007 12:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.170.6 with SMTP id s6mr2430780hue.1179169573174; Mon, 14 May 2007 12:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 27si14456836ugp.2007.05.14.12.06.10; Mon, 14 May 2007 12:06:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hnfpx-00062b-VH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 20:04:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hnfpx-00062S-GR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 20:04:01 +0100 Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.8]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hnfpw-0003PF-Df for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 20:04:01 +0100 Received: from G3vtt@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id l.d05.1017ad34 (57317) for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 15:03:50 -0400 (EDT) From: G3vtt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 15:03:49 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Dead Band? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1179169429" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1625 -------------------------------1179169429 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 14/05/2007 20:01:14 GMT Standard Time, alan.melia@btinternet.com writes: There is a strong carrier on 503.33 I think it must be G3UNT from the strength. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 14 May 2007 19:36 Subject: LF: Dead Band? > > I am calling CQ just below 502. Not a sausage around tonight apart from > G3YVF testing his loft antenna for 502! > > Anybody around tonight? > > > > G3VTT > > > > > > Not at 1902z Alan! Brian has been testing but I think he has closed now. 73 G3VTT -------------------------------1179169429 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 14/05/2007 20:01:14 GMT Standard Time,=20 alan.melia@btinternet.com writes:

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Alan G3NYK

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Subject= :=20 LF: Dead Band?

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> I am calling CQ just below 502. Not= a=20 sausage around tonight apart from
> G3YVF testing his loft antenna f= or=20 502!
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Not at 1902z Alan! Brian has been testing but I think he has clos= ed=20 now.

G3VTT

-------------------------------1179169429-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236448799155617630 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs240119hue; Mon, 14 May 2007 12:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.242.19 with SMTP id p19mr5166272ugh.1179169464378; Mon, 14 May 2007 12:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 50si11684136ugb.2007.05.14.12.04.13; Mon, 14 May 2007 12:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HnfmS-0005ww-G6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 20:00:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HnfmS-0005wn-0x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 20:00:24 +0100 Received: from smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.72]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnfmP-0000QH-Ke for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 20:00:23 +0100 Received: (qmail 41667 invoked from network); 14 May 2007 19:00:16 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=eei9PuCgxyviDaAU68IynQ4YOiwUDcJe8xUnNZdsx0i3TTXk/opW4zEVRFLipT174tnjiFwYSgQyDS2iqLyCgqhUZ92fPygrlIxNtiJ72N6+75fVzLDv0QNFTVhGxCmFmrtDn/wHH6rSn0z8aUiidIZM3KUVXv2GwH8eJypbSCM= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.43.108 with login) by smtp812.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2007 19:00:15 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: BwrXsE4VM1kemie7_GB53GlXrL8m.zaOI9yTraC5RDqjtoclXVRixu5sI7Cs30x5rzz7APg5Wg9RsNR.grI5P75mV4Zt Message-ID: <003001c7965a$1dd57560$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 19:53:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Dead Band? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1626 There is a strong carrier on 503.33 I think it must be G3UNT from the strength. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 14 May 2007 19:36 Subject: LF: Dead Band? > > I am calling CQ just below 502. Not a sausage around tonight apart from > G3YVF testing his loft antenna for 502! > > Anybody around tonight? > > > > G3VTT > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236360689541910247 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs202650hue; Sun, 13 May 2007 12:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr4614651ugl.1179085435621; Sun, 13 May 2007 12:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id b35si12351749ugd.2007.05.13.12.43.52; Sun, 13 May 2007 12:43:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HnJui-0002kV-PB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 20:39:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HnJui-0002kM-EG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 20:39:28 +0100 Received: from smtp17.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnJuf-00077F-Gb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 20:39:28 +0100 Received: from ACER (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by smtp17.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0JHZ00ERVVXF7Y@smtp17.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 21:39:15 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 21:39:15 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <000701c79596$63d7d270$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): captag.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_e0AQihb+7/jD3oRV9xksyg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1627 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_e0AQihb+7/jD3oRV9xksyg) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_NownXrOFePoMXI3JKnRKLg)" --Boundary_(ID_NownXrOFePoMXI3JKnRKLg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT signal is comming up 19:30 utc henny pa3cpm best 73. --Boundary_(ID_NownXrOFePoMXI3JKnRKLg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

signal is comming up

19:30 utc

henny

pa3cpm

best 73.

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(mail2.imagen.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 2xp9RO2JZDHb for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from jsm (unknown [209.121.17.77]) by mail2.imagen.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 897911EF88DE for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002001c7a13f$c2fcafa0$9a4bfea9@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: References: <465AAD72.4371.D8573D@dave.davesergeant.com> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 08:49:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: (Fwd) [ukfivemegs] RAC - Canadian 135 kHz and 5 MHz Special Au Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1628 Dave - regarding the 2200m experimental licences...we were informed at the last renewal time that all of the experiments would end on June 30th 2007 as a wrap-up to the next WRC 2007 meetings in late October / early Novemeber. We are keeping our fingers crossed that a 2200m ham-band will become a reality for Canadian amateurs sometime after that point. If so, it may possibly spur some action in the USA as well but this is pure speculation on my part. The reasoning behind the cancellation of experimental licences was that after WRC 2007, we will have the band (and further experiments are not necessary) or we will never have the band and so therefore, any further experimenting towards fleshing-out the band would not be necessary. That's what we were told :-) 73 / Steve / VE7SL Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm > I have just received this on the 5MHz reflector. Perhaps some of our > VE friends can comment. > > 73 Dave G3YMC > > ------- Forwarded message follows ------- > To: 'ukfivemegs' > From: Trevor > Date sent: Mon, 28 May 2007 10:17:22 +0100 (BST) > Subject: [ukfivemegs] RAC - Canadian 135 kHz and 5 MHz > Special Authorizations Terminated > > RAC - Canadian 135 kHz and 5 MHz Special Authorizations Terminated > > Special Authorizations for Canadian Amateur Radio Experiments at 135 > kHz and 5 MHz to Cease 30 June 2007. > > Since 2001, at the request of RAC, Industry Canada has granted a > number of special authorizations to some Canadian radio amateurs to > conduct experiments in the band 135.7 - 137.8 kHz and at 5 MHz. These > experiments have had, as one objective, the provision of data that > would support the objectives of RAC and the IARU for possible new > allocations to the Amateur Service at these frequencies. In > accordance with the agreement between RAC and Industry Canada, all > the special authorizations to Canadian radio amateurs will be > terminated and transmissions must cease as of 30 June, 2007. Further > special authorizations will depend on the outcomes of WRC-2007, > scheduled for 22 October - 16 November, at which, on the initiative > of Canada, a new, worldwide, secondary allocation to the Amateur > Service at 135.7 - > > 137.8 kHz is on the agenda. A secondary allocation near 5 MHz may > also arise at WRC-2007 as a consideration in the review of radio > services in the band 4 - 10 MHz. Per the agreement for special > authorizations, each experimenter is required to prepare a summary > report of his experiments, which may be in the form of an article for > TCA. > > 73 Trevor M5AKA > > ------- End of forwarded message ------- > http://www.davesergeant.com > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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6V7uX2n9yI7ygk+8frXMUUn3j9aGvytvcZ2if//Z ------=_NextPart_000_0022_01C7940E.82A6F020-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236268658058461053 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs177199hue; Sat, 12 May 2007 14:05:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.242.19 with SMTP id p19mr3672491ugh.1179003925923; Sat, 12 May 2007 14:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q40si5657983ugc.2007.05.12.14.05.23; Sat, 12 May 2007 14:05:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hmyiz-0003W7-By for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 22:01:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hmyiy-0003Vy-W7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 22:01:56 +0100 Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hmyiy-0000Mp-28 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 22:01:56 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAHPHRUbUSnILk2dsb2JhbACIKYJdhHsBAQcIBgwf Received: from [88.106.75.151] (port=2934 helo=wgt01) by mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Hmyip-0001fn-FL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 22:01:47 +0100 Message-ID: <00b201c794d8$c29bb6a0$974b6a58@wgt01> From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <009301c794c9$e3be5ef0$974b6a58@wgt01> <464626E5.8030703@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 22:01:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 khz beacon 12th Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1630 Hi Ko & LF, Thanks Ko, I regularly check the 500 KHz screen grabbers, I see a high level of noise tonight but as you say I sometimes pop up out of the noise. Dave G3WCB is crystal controlled & can only come as high as 503.330 KHz so the grabber at the moment will not see his signals when he is beaconing. Keep upthe good work Ko. 73 Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ Web site updated 07/05/2007 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ko Versteeg" Hi Gary and 500 Gang Same here, thanks for the yesterday new one. Looks like more noise now but at times you pop up. 73 all and have a good night, Ko. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236268658058461053 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs176914hue; Sat, 12 May 2007 13:45:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.117.18 with SMTP id u18mr3889532ugm.1179002742907; Sat, 12 May 2007 13:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q40si5631815ugc.2007.05.12.13.45.40; Sat, 12 May 2007 13:45:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HmyQz-00037i-On for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 21:43:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HmyQz-00037Z-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 21:43:21 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.25]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HmyQy-0000F6-0g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 21:43:21 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a82-92-108-254.adsl.xs4all.nl [82.92.108.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr5.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id l4CKhCdW010779 for ; Sat, 12 May 2007 22:43:17 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nl9222@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <464626E5.8030703@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 22:43:17 +0200 From: Ko Versteeg User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009301c794c9$e3be5ef0$974b6a58@wgt01> In-Reply-To: <009301c794c9$e3be5ef0$974b6a58@wgt01> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 000739-3, 05/11/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 khz beacon 12th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1631 Gary - G4WGT wrote: > Hi All at LF, > > Beacon active again tonight 503.600 KHz, same spec. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ > Web site updated 07/05/2007 Hi Gary and 500 Gang Same here, thanks for the yesterday new one. Looks like more noise now but at times you pop up. 73 all and have a good night, Ko. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 000739-3, 05/11/2007 Tested on: 5/12/2007 10:43:24 PM avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2007 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236268658058461053 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs175553hue; Sat, 12 May 2007 12:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.98.9 with SMTP id a9mr2158199ugm.1178997667545; Sat, 12 May 2007 12:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 20si8363488uga.2007.05.12.12.21.02; Sat, 12 May 2007 12:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hmx3z-0002Od-8b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 20:15:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hmx3y-0002OU-9U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1632 Hi All at LF, Beacon active again tonight 503.600 KHz, same spec. 73 Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ Web site updated 07/05/2007 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236073252421963419 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs279933hue; Thu, 10 May 2007 08:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.180.7 with SMTP id h7mr3492557qbp.1178811314237; 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Thu, 10 May 2007 17:26:07 +0200 Message-ID: <002201c79314$95b1b970$0100a8c0@W1KW> From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" To: References: <20070510084426.7FB934371@mta-fe.casema.nl> Date: Thu, 10 May 2007 17:03:46 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Oxtnf7+yP7YriPNJ8rqlfwmckKu5NeKleXFp kcLFtZ/jIt9BZOFXLuRU+elNN44jSqkrjWxjoRw6kirSvTdjeV ZwRgmDg1zbpR9K27cuC7A== X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=1.105 Subject: LF: Re: 500 kHz license refused in the Netherlands Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1633 Hello Dick, sorry to hear that. Here in Germany we have a similar situatiuon, that is why the group here has aplied for experimental radio licenses, similar to the ones that are issued to companies or universities who test new radio techniques or who want to do radio experiments without being radio amateurs (therefore the DI-prefix which is NOT an amateur radio prefix). I am sure you have tried that way as well, so let's hope for a broader approach, perhaps through the CEPT. Best 73 Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Rollema" To: "LF-Group" Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 10:44 AM Subject: LF: 500 kHz license refused in the Netherlands > To All from PA0SE, > > Our radio agency just has informed me that my application for > permission to use the 500 kHz band has been refused. > The arguments are: > 1. The band has not internationally been allocated as an amateurband > and also not in The Netherlands > 2. The band is still being used for emergency, urgent and safety traffic. > > It has therefore been decided that for the time being the band will > not be available for experiments by amateurs. > > A disappointing decision, but I had more or less expected this > knowing how our agency operates. > > 73, Dick, PA0SE > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235363676551346156 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.35.12.7 with SMTP id p7cs22940pyi; Wed, 2 May 2007 12:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.30.3 with SMTP id h3mr1308600ugj.1178134619279; Wed, 02 May 2007 12:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id l40si1485691ugc.2007.05.02.12.36.46; Wed, 02 May 2007 12:36:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: error (google.com: error in processing during lookup of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org: DNS timeout) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HjKZM-000271-89 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 20:32:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HjKZL-00026s-Rl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 20:32:55 +0100 Received: from mail2.imagen.ca ([208.181.178.12]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HjKZI-0004xi-Ji for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 20:32:55 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail2.imagen.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9603D1EF8A80 for ; Wed, 2 May 2007 12:32:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Spam-Score: -2.599 Received: from mail2.imagen.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail2.imagen.ca [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 2i3FuTUTuNFF for ; Wed, 2 May 2007 12:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from p1i5f0 (gi87.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.92]) by mail2.imagen.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 0D0321EF8B13 for ; Wed, 2 May 2007 12:32:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000901c78cf0$a5aa7580$5c11f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: References: <001501c78ccf$44797d40$0be4fc3e@g3kev> Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 12:32:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.488 Subject: LF: Re: 2BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1634 > 2BE stn active on 505.1 qrs 559 pse send normal cw for a qso. I could not > wait for full callsign - too slow. > 73 G3KEV The Amateur's Code (#4)..."The Amateur is friendly and patient...." 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-----Original Message-----
Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 09:14:27 +0200
Subject: Re: LF: Three men in a boat
From: "Eduardo EA3GHS" <ea3ghs@gmail.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

> the call of the DJ8WX test beacon is - di2be -

congratulations uwe
felicidades uwe

73 eduardo
lleida

gracias Eduardo y dar saludos a Lleida

73 Uwe/dj8wx/dl2be

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SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1636 > the call of the DJ8WX test beacon is - di2be - congratulations uwe felicidades uwe 73 eduardo lleida From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235259970889254852 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.35.22.5 with SMTP id z5cs435852pyi; Tue, 1 May 2007 15:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.224.3 with SMTP id w3mr632803ugg.1178057208843; Tue, 01 May 2007 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 29si17340uga.2007.05.01.15.06.46; Tue, 01 May 2007 15:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hj0Rv-0008CE-Pg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 May 2007 23:03:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hj0Rv-0008C5-BQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 May 2007 23:03:55 +0100 Received: from mxoutlb01.versatel.de ([89.246.255.231]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hj0Ru-0000Kp-Lh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 May 2007 23:03:55 +0100 Received: from mxlb06.versatel.de (mx01.versatel.de [212.7.146.1]) by mxoutlb01.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l41M3mX6018319 for ; Wed, 2 May 2007 00:03:48 +0200 Received: from localhost ([62.214.100.62]) by mxlb06.versatel.de (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l41M3lNe028613 for ; Wed, 2 May 2007 00:03:48 +0200 Received: from i577a96f2.versanet.de (i577a96f2.versanet.de [87.122.150.242]) by webmail.versatel.de (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Wed, 2 May 2007 00:03:47 +0200 Message-ID: <20070502000347.l9815llxx6o4ckk0@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 00:03:47 +0200 From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001b01c78c0a$9caea000$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> In-Reply-To: <001b01c78c0a$9caea000$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Three men in a boat Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1637 Zitat von Walter Staubach : > Dear friends, > Uwe, DJ8WX, is the third one to have a special German permit > for test and research on 505,1kHz +/-. > He was already in the air on 505,109.5 in QRSS3. He will increase his > power up to the 9W ERP. His location is in M=FCnsterdorf north of > Hamburg near Itzehoe. > 73 Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG > thanks Walter. the call of the DJ8WX test beacon is - di2be - regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235259970889254852 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.35.22.5 with SMTP id z5cs426811pyi; Tue, 1 May 2007 09:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.30.3 with SMTP id h3mr397375ugj.1178035708493; Tue, 01 May 2007 09:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id z40si828717ugc.2007.05.01.09.08.23; Tue, 01 May 2007 09:08:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HiuoZ-0007MY-Cj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 May 2007 17:02:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HiuoY-0007MP-ER for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 May 2007 17:02:54 +0100 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HiuoW-0005zt-Jg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 May 2007 17:02:54 +0100 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-181.fen-net.de [212.204.117.61]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id l41FvtPW026868 for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 17:57:56 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001b01c78c0a$9caea000$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 18:05:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Three men in a boat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C78C1B.5F6F8C20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1638 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C78C1B.5F6F8C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends, Uwe, DJ8WX, is the third one to have a special German permit = for test and research on 505,1kHz +/-. He was already in the air on 505,109.5 in QRSS3. He will increase his = power up to the 9W ERP. His location is in M=FCnsterdorf north of = Hamburg near Itzehoe. 73 Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C78C1B.5F6F8C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear friends,

Uwe,=20 DJ8WX, is the third one to have a special German permit for test and = research on=20 505,1kHz +/-.

He was already in the air on 505,109.5 in QRSS3. He = will=20 increase his power up to the 9W ERP. His location is in M=FCnsterdorf = north of=20 Hamburg near Itzehoe.

73 Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG

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As it stands, it does have quite high passband loss, around 10dB, but l= ess=20 stages could reduce passband loss at the expense of a less steep roll off.

There should be plenty of info online allowing you to design a simple C= R=20 filter like this, it's standard textbook stuff, and there's probably sites w= here=20 you can just feed in your requirements and have it churn out the=20 results:-)

If you want lower pass band losses and sharper cut off then you wo= uld=20 probably need to consider active filters.

regards

Nigel

GM8PZR

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B. Weazle McCreath" To: References: <004d01c78c3a$48757ec0$0b01a8c0@server> <003501c78c4d$0d68f060$0300a8c0@lark> Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 01:08:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Passive high-pass filter circuits? 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1HmdaT-00084H-TK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 23:27:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HmdaT-000848-Gl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 23:27:45 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HmdaS-0005FL-96 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 23:27:45 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 11 May 2007 22:27:38 -0000 Received: from p548577b1.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO HW1) [84.133.119.177] by mail.gmx.net (mp037) with SMTP; 12 May 2007 00:27:38 +0200 X-Authenticated: #38158605 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/eq9RGAWveF2JD3Bh4I0YprTIr6lkUm5mWnNSZfd zsx92mU17cOyoW Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 00:27:26 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <274842261.20070512002726@gmx.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: G3WCB and G4WGT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1741 Added screenshots of G3WCB and G4WGT to my website: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest500kHz.htm 73 Hartmut www.h-wolff.de Locator: JO52hp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236905797731265332 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs175654hue; Sat, 19 May 2007 13:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.5 with SMTP id r5mr2060209ugl.1179605291117; Sat, 19 May 2007 13:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 13si3127176ugb.2007.05.19.13.08.08; Sat, 19 May 2007 13:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpVB3-0003Rx-2h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 21:05:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpVB2-0003Ro-A2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 21:05:20 +0100 Received: from hexagram.inweb.co.uk ([213.210.47.2]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpVB1-0006nd-Fj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 21:05:20 +0100 Received: from VicsLaptop (85-211-106-229.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [85.211.106.229]) by hexagram.inweb.co.uk (Postfix) with SMTP id 8BFD6BC245 for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 21:05:18 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <00f501c79a50$f60bad10$2101a8c0@VicsLaptop> From: "Vic@VicsFloridaVilla" To: Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 21:04:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LF 500khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C79A59.5660F4B0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1742 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C79A59.5660F4B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Folks, Joined the list a couple of weeks ago amd enjoying reading all the = postings but this is my first posting. I am planning to use my Elecraft K2 to drive a homebrew transverter to = give me a 500khz capability. I have the transverter interface board in = the K2 so have a 1mW output available. So far I hace lashed up a 28Mhz xtal oscillator and a home brew diode = ring mixer. Feeding these through a G0MRF 7 element Low Pass Filter I = tested it the other night and it works ! Wow. Nice clean cw and ssb on = 500khz (feeding directly into my receiver....probably the first and last = time I'll hear ssb on 500khz !!) Amazing carrier suppression on ssb - = really impressive for 4 IN4148 diodes and a couple of FT50-43 cores. = Plenty of attenuation of 1000khz and 1500khz harmonics. It's looking = good ! Just tried it on receive and it does work but signals very weak. With = the K2 pre amp on I can hear MSF 60Khz at S1 , Loran 100Khz at S4, BBc = R4 198Khz at S9, plus a few other data type sigs below 150khz. Heard = nothing on 500Khz . I can hear a strong intermittent data type signal on = about 518Khz Plenty of noise when I connect the antenna though. Looks = like I may need to work on the antenna and maybe some receive = amplification . I'm thrilled with all this so far but now I need some help with the = rest of the system.=20 So a few questions for you all, and any ideas and suggestions gratefully = received ! 1) Can anyone point me to any designs for a pa suitable for 500khz. = Something around 5 - 10 watts output from about 1mW input would be = great. I am not very knowledgable on electronics but I love tinkering so = something which is easy to get going would be good. I imagine at 500khz = it should not be too difficult. 2) Has anyone on the list used a K2 with the transverter board to drive = a transveter ? I can get a full 1mW tx output into a 50 ohm dummy load = (as per the construction manual) but when driving my homebrew ring mixer = I can only get about 0.3 mW maximum. I wonder if there is an impedance = mismatch which is loading the K2 output. The K2 is connected directly = to the mixer. My mixer has six trifilar turns on a FT50-43 at each end. = It clearly works well but I think I'll need to get the level up a bit at = some point.=20 3) Thinking ahead to antennas.....I'll need to do something to resonate = my 180 ft Inv L . I 'll probably stick a big loading coil in it = somewhere but I have no idea how much L I'll need . Is there any = software out there which will help me with this ? Meanwhile I'll press on with the band pass filter which is not working = so well . Time for a tinker !! TIA 73, Vic GW4JUN Halkyn North Wales IO83JF ------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C79A59.5660F4B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Folks,

Joined the list a couple of = weeks ago amd=20 enjoying reading all the postings but this is my first=20 posting.

I am planning to use my = Elecraft K2 to=20 drive a homebrew transverter to give me a 500khz capability. I have the=20 transverter interface board in the K2 so have a 1mW output=20 available.

So far I hace lashed up a = 28Mhz xtal=20 oscillator and a home brew diode ring mixer. Feeding these through a = G0MRF 7=20 element Low Pass Filter I tested it the other night and it works ! = Wow.=20 Nice clean cw and ssb on 500khz (feeding directly into my = receiver....probably=20 the first and last time I'll hear ssb on 500khz !!) Amazing carrier = suppression=20 on ssb - really impressive for 4 IN4148 diodes and a couple of FT50-43 = cores.=20 Plenty of attenuation of 1000khz and 1500khz harmonics. It's looking = good=20 !

Just tried it on receive and = it does work=20 but signals very weak. With the K2 pre amp on I can hear MSF 60Khz at = S1 ,=20 Loran 100Khz at S4, BBc R4 198Khz at S9, plus a few other data type sigs = below=20 150khz. Heard nothing on 500Khz . I can hear a strong intermittent data = type=20 signal on about 518Khz Plenty of noise when I connect the = antenna=20 though. Looks like I may need to work on the antenna and maybe some = receive=20 amplification .

I'm thrilled with all this so = far =20 but now I need some help with the rest of the system.

So a few questions for you = all, and any=20 ideas and suggestions gratefully received !

1) Can anyone point me to any = designs for=20 a pa suitable for 500khz. Something around 5 - 10 watts output from = about 1mW=20 input would be great. I am not very knowledgable on electronics but I = love=20 tinkering so something which is easy to get going would be good. I = imagine at=20 500khz it should not be too difficult.

2) Has anyone on the list = used a K2 with=20 the transverter board to drive a transveter ? I can get a full 1mW tx = output=20 into a 50 ohm dummy load (as per the construction manual) but when = driving my=20 homebrew ring mixer I can only get about 0.3 mW maximum. I wonder if = there is an=20 impedance mismatch which is loading the K2 output. The K2 is = connected=20 directly to the mixer. My mixer has six trifilar turns on a = FT50-43 at=20 each end. It clearly works well but I think I'll need to get the level = up a bit=20 at some point.

3) Thinking ahead to = antennas.....I'll=20 need to do something to resonate my 180 ft Inv L . I 'll probably stick = a big=20 loading coil in it somewhere but I have no idea how much L I'll need . = Is there=20 any software out there which will help me with this ?

Meanwhile I'll press on with = the band=20 pass filter which is not working so well . Time for a tinker = !!

TIA

73,

Vic GW4JUN

Halkyn North Wales=20 IO83JF

------=_NextPart_000_00F2_01C79A59.5660F4B0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236467649326016763 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs248372hue; Mon, 14 May 2007 17:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.222.9 with SMTP id u9mr5260945ugg.1179187440670; Mon, 14 May 2007 17:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 50si12011914ugb.2007.05.14.17.03.57; Mon, 14 May 2007 17:04:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HnkTu-0007m2-2b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 01:01:34 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HnkTt-0007lt-Kp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 01:01:33 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.64]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnkTs-0000F5-VX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 01:01:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 75470 invoked from network); 15 May 2007 00:01:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=rkrvp0qca8Kn2/EQSTSrQzoJEVSDdrT40w8z/RIFWHdIfl6UUGLjuKc0pmmgb9hi2lerm20v9HwOg+1l32wPy6w5WLTpv5wq0OkMYZ7mVZiZU69KNvqhk51e26cRAwnTqxYT0fdjak6zCUx8frbdUcZIMFHRQFjgeB9D0eoyVtg= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.67.55 with login) by smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2007 00:01:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: GOX4l0EVM1l2gCrmHfYvbl.Zi1yp4VlhrTcZtYon5HRfwwmBFoi33Nf9xqzGhOfhU1h3HJf6eQ-- Message-ID: <001101c79684$316fabc0$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <004e01c79610$0592d320$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <4648D997.4050707@usa.net> <002101c7967b$bfffbaa0$0300a8c0@lark> <4648F04F.8080202@usa.net> Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 00:58:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Rugby - Anthorn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1748 Hi Alberto now you make me feel a heel, a meany for raising the problem....the vino talks !! Ah The much dreaded 1792 !! I am sure he is watching so here to get another whop on the ear........Brian CT1DRP is a super expert on these so you need to talk to him, he has worked on several so knows a lot of the "funnies" you may find. He is around but has his head down a bit since he moved, I guess he is working hard, moving house is for the brave or the foolish, certainly the brave if you have hobbies and the long collected detritus of amateur radio. He was working hard on antennas last time we spoke to get his beloved 1792s singing again. Best Wishes Alberto Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto di Bene To: Sent: 15 May 2007 00:27 Subject: LF: Re: Rugby - Anthorn > Hi Alan, > > if you have Google Earth installed, just double-click on the attached placemaker, and you will be brought directly > over my house, at JN45sl88 > > > You location is I think " near Milan " ?? > > 25 km East of Milan, and also 25 km South of Bergamo, more or less. > > > er I can't listen cos my Winrad has expired....nudge nudge. > > I know, I know, and I am feeling guilty... it is more than 2 weeks that each day I say to myself "Alberto, you have to > ready the Win98 timeless version of Winrad", but every day something different catches my attention, requiring my time. > The latest being a Racal RA1792 that followed me home from a swap meeting last Saturday... but I'll do that, honest ! > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236512985154937199 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs41682hue; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.195.9 with SMTP id s9mr74970huf.1179324987360; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j1si17914680ugf.2007.05.16.07.16.18; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:16:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HoKF4-0007v0-S2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 15:12:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HoKF4-0007ur-Cz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 15:12:38 +0100 Received: from cas-mta1-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.20] helo=mta-fe.casema.nl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HoKF1-0005X0-C9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 15:12:38 +0100 Received: from localhost (cas-filter4.mgmt.casema.nl [10.42.32.99]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 944E35831 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 16:12:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mta-fe.casema.nl ([10.42.32.20]) by localhost (cas-filter4.mgmt.casema.nl [10.42.32.211]) (amavisd-new, port 20024) with ESMTP id 27595-03 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 16:12:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from crazypeecee.casema.nl (5356F8BC.cable.casema.nl [83.86.248.188]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A99149E1 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 16:12:29 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:12:58 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Dick Rollema In-Reply-To: References: <20070515120038.680B75513@mta-fe.casema.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20070516141229.6A99149E1@mta-fe.casema.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at casema.nl X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: FS measurements Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1752 Dear Laurence, Yes, I knew that the station at 135.43 kHz=20 sending info similar to DCF 38 is in Hungary. But I do not know its call= sign. At my location the measured signal from DCF38=20 (near Magdeburg) is 20 dB stronger that the one from the station near= Budapest. The distances of the stations from my location are about 598 resp. 1157 km. The CCIR propagation graph for "Land"=20 (conductivity 0.03 S/m, di=EBlectric constant 40)=20 predict a difference of only 12 dB, assuming that=20 both stations have the same EMRP. But the=20 assumption that the ground constants of the two=20 paths are identical may be entirely wrong and the=20 radiated powers could be different as well. The difference in distance of the two stations,=20 "seen" from Shanghai, is negligible, I think. So=20 the fact that you receive Budapest stronger than=20 Magdeburg could mean that Budapest has higher=20 power. But you must be receiving both stations=20 via sky wave and this involves so many=20 unpredictable factors that conclusions as to power are debatable. 73, Dick, PA0SE At 14:11 15-5-2007, you wrote: >Dick that 135.4 (135.43) maybe Budapest power=20 >control with the same signature as DCF39. >Its 10-15dB stronger here in Shanghai than DCF39/38.. > >LAurence > > >> >> >>The station at 135.4 kHz is similar to DCF 38. >> >>I have not recorded the FS of MSF at Rugby. >> >>My location is at Leiderdorp, 52=B0 09' 37.21" N; 04=B0 31' 23.52"= E. >> >>73, Dick, PA0SE > >_________________________________________________________________ >Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works?=20 >You=92ll love Windows Live Hotmail.=20 >http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTXT_TAGHM_mig= ration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236512985154937199 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs1693hue; Tue, 15 May 2007 05:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.98.9 with SMTP id a9mr4267106ugm.1179231267010; Tue, 15 May 2007 05:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id k30si15043651ugc.2007.05.15.05.14.23; Tue, 15 May 2007 05:14:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hnvsy-0002pj-4J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 13:12:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hnvsx-0002pa-Od for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 13:12:11 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.148]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hnvst-0008GE-PP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 13:12:11 +0100 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.11.248]) by bay0-omc2-s12.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 15 May 2007 05:11:59 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 May 2007 05:11:59 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 207.46.11.254 by by124fd.bay124.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2007 12:11:56 GMT X-Originating-IP: [220.196.31.130] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070515120038.680B75513@mta-fe.casema.nl> From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 04:11:56 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2007 12:11:59.0678 (UTC) FILETIME=[3D3585E0:01C796EA] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: RE: LF: FS measurements Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1753 Dick that 135.4 (135.43) maybe Budapest power control with the same signature as DCF39. Its 10-15dB stronger here in Shanghai than DCF39/38.. LAurence > > >The station at 135.4 kHz is similar to DCF 38. > >I have not recorded the FS of MSF at Rugby. > >My location is at Leiderdorp, 52� 09' 37.21" N; 04� 31' 23.52" E. > >73, Dick, PA0SE _________________________________________________________________ Like the way Microsoft Office Outlook works? You�ll love Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_outlook_0507 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236512985154937199 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs1331hue; Tue, 15 May 2007 05:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.171.13 with SMTP id t13mr2599594hue.1179230676384; Tue, 15 May 2007 05:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id k1si3149335ugf.2007.05.15.05.04.28; Tue, 15 May 2007 05:04:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hnvht-0002dH-OQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 13:00:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hnvht-0002d8-89 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 13:00:45 +0100 Received: from cas-mta2-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.24] helo=mta-fe.casema.nl) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hnvhs-0006Rm-3t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 13:00:44 +0100 Received: from localhost (cas-filter2.mgmt.casema.nl [10.42.32.69]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 889D75E16 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 14:00:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mta-fe.casema.nl ([10.42.32.24]) by localhost (cas-filter2.mgmt.casema.nl [10.42.32.211]) (amavisd-new, port 20024) with ESMTP id 09400-08 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 14:00:38 +0200 (CEST) Received: from crazypeecee.casema.nl (5356F8BC.cable.casema.nl [83.86.248.188]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 680B75513 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 14:00:38 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 14:00:56 +0200 To: LF-Group From: Dick Rollema Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20070515120038.680B75513@mta-fe.casema.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at casema.nl X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.000,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: FS measurements Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_22777734==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1754 --=====================_22777734==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To All from PA0SE, Today I made some FS measurements, using an=20 untuned loop with a single turn of 1 square metre, connected to a W & G= SPM-12. The loop is turned for maximum signal. This is=20 rather broad, so I first turn the loop for=20 minimum signal, which is sharp, and then turn it over 90 degrees. The measurements were performed in the attic=20 shack. But I have found out earlier that on these=20 low frequencies the FS in the shack does not=20 differ from he FS outside the house. Call sign Frequency FS FS Anthorn 60 kHz 1.28 mV/m DCF 77 77.5 kHz 2.28 mV/m ? 135.4 kHz 0.22 mV/m DCF 38 138.8 kHz 2.25 mV/m The station at 135.4 kHz is similar to DCF 38. I have not recorded the FS of MSF at Rugby. My location is at Leiderdorp, 52=B0 09' 37.21" N; 04=B0 31' 23.52" E. 73, Dick, PA0SE=20 --=====================_22777734==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To All from PA0SE,

Today I made some FS measurements, using an untuned loop with a single turn of 1 square metre, connected to a W & G SPM-12.
The loop is turned for maximum signal. This is rather broad, so I first turn the loop for minimum signal, which is sharp, and then turn it over 90 degrees.

The measurements were performed in the attic shack. But I have found out earlier that on these low frequencies the FS in the shack does not differ from he FS outside the house.

Call sign       Frequency FS         FS

Anthorn           60 kHz            &= nbsp;   1.28 mV/m

DCF 77           77.5 kHz            &= nbsp; 2.28 mV/m

?            &nb= sp;    135.4 kHz             0.22 mV/m

DCF 38          138.8 kHz             2.25 mV/m

The station at 135.4 kHz is similar to DCF 38.

I have not recorded the FS of MSF at Rugby.

My location is at Leiderdorp, 52=B0 09' 37.21" N; 04=B0 31' 23.52" E.

73, Dick, PA0SE --=====================_22777734==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235605317274286316 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs110284hue; Sat, 5 May 2007 04:37:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.106.3 with SMTP id i3mr2454172ugm.1178365056940; Sat, 05 May 2007 04:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id k1si7288825ugf.2007.05.05.04.37.33; Sat, 05 May 2007 04:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HkIXl-0008Na-30 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 12:35:17 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HkIXk-0008NR-KN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 12:35:16 +0100 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.245]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HkIXj-00077M-Un for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 12:35:16 +0100 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c36so11057ana for ; Sat, 05 May 2007 04:35:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=O4leOkdr8fhF9pz7SCVgIBcBWO3TWEO2fCssDg13wq7M2i+CrYRC87rwCWeyc/YDV/mX8NagJQY9coe6p8QW+psjKGt2GIz/islVadV7mcd0FWBZyGN2Dlu+G+WtfTBk5ounKTSS0vr7IC1Mqg3dq6CrvMRZaWy19d4uVDDCS6Q= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=Tzq/emy0xwGOj+bpvs7Kz/WEXzdJ7eZ2u19GSbj02eBeVmPB14lxUDg9yU4On/aZco1qolzcaSed5RL0xj3JW+31VRkLr6NvFaF0pMbv42GdOa45+yBQDhcD5b526l4hlvbPPRCxiPedq4madFhhlwgS2HqdvBF943F9ogkbcrA= Received: by 10.100.207.16 with SMTP id e16mr3447774ang.1178364914519; Sat, 05 May 2007 04:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.112.20 with HTTP; Sat, 5 May 2007 04:35:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d2415e0705050435s5f31ad70r7e346bb633958d56@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 12:35:14 +0100 From: "lawrence mayhead" To: rsgb MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_SHORT_LENGTH=0.629 Subject: LF: 500kHz New Stn. Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_60515_14421202.1178364914486" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1755 ------=_Part_60515_14421202.1178364914486 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi All , Just worked new station G4GDR on 502.0 Adrian nr Swindon. 73 Laurie. ------=_Part_60515_14421202.1178364914486 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi All ,
Just worked new station G4GDR on 502.0
Adrian nr Swindon.
73 Laurie.
------=_Part_60515_14421202.1178364914486-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236887057609498444 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs170588hue; Sat, 19 May 2007 09:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.29.12 with SMTP id g12mr1967825ugj.1179592853687; Sat, 19 May 2007 09:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id s1si2977910uge.2007.05.19.09.40.51; Sat, 19 May 2007 09:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpRw2-0002VX-6n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 17:37:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpRw1-0002VO-Ku for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 17:37:37 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.63]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpRw0-00089T-B8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 17:37:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 15777 invoked from network); 19 May 2007 16:37:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dave) (dsergeant@btinternet.com@86.140.87.66 with login) by smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2007 16:37:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: dzRYi.EVM1nj7mzsVkyv3j1iHEkrOvdbDYmgyij0ixR4u.qPaPKfTxNCIGJhz6eTmWsnE7L8E6QbN2x8ZAuOJJiyO7lLnqWwZxqjZX5DEeLraXTz From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 17:37:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <464F35E2.5615.26DAF00@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <8bf118410705190903l53dbdcfcled0ee8280afb1dee@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bf118410705190807r79aed44en98a882d15ba70b8a@mail.gmail.com>, <464F2B9E.26991.245987D@dave.davesergeant.com>, <8bf118410705190903l53dbdcfcled0ee8280afb1dee@mail.gmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: test on 503.6 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1756 On 19 May 2007 at 17:03, Dave Pick wrote: > Thanks Dave. > > Sorry I didn't hear you, I always look at the spectrum display to see > if there's someone up or down the band so I guess you just weren't > making it.. what frequency are you usually on? > Full VXO control over the whole band (and a little more...) so I try and always call co-channel - so I was bang on your frequency (which may have been Brian's...). 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236887057609498444 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs142451hue; Sat, 19 May 2007 08:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.118.8 with SMTP id v8mr1950271ugm.1179590222375; Sat, 19 May 2007 08:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id m1si4317930uge.2007.05.19.08.56.59; Sat, 19 May 2007 08:57:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpRFe-0002H4-DP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 16:53:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpRFd-0002Gv-VQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 16:53:49 +0100 Received: from smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.68]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpRFd-00051i-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 16:53:49 +0100 Received: (qmail 1726 invoked from network); 19 May 2007 15:53:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dave) (dsergeant@btinternet.com@86.140.87.66 with login) by smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2007 15:53:43 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 8xX59D4VM1mSZ_jqtFv3G.WE6ZIju7NjhmO82OjWyHsAjgLuLhNJtFkuOCFVPh9HlH4H4oSec7MiBMJD3OjVJmljl6QqGAzbCfr6v5niafGTrg47DgtqZgGqnb9T1.Ah_Y0- From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:53:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <464F2B9E.26991.245987D@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <8bf118410705190807r79aed44en98a882d15ba70b8a@mail.gmail.com> References: <8bf118410705190807r79aed44en98a882d15ba70b8a@mail.gmail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: test on 503.6 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1757 On 19 May 2007 at 16:07, Dave Pick wrote: > As everyone is watching the football match and not replying to CQs, > I've put a beacon test QRS3 and CW on 503.6. Wondered why it was quiet.... (you would never ever get me watching things like that, put off for life kicking a ball around at school...). I did call you this morning Dave after you had finished with Brian but you obviously didn't hear. Will get there someday... good signal with your beaconing. 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236887057609498444 X-Gmail-Labels: Sent,rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs141495hue; Sat, 19 May 2007 08:10:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.243.2 with SMTP id q2mr1925248ugh.1179587419933; Sat, 19 May 2007 08:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q40si4240099ugc.2007.05.19.08.10.16; Sat, 19 May 2007 08:10:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpQWz-0001qb-Cl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 16:07:41 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpQWz-0001qS-0X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 16:07:41 +0100 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.170]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpQWy-0001TH-Af for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 16:07:40 +0100 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j3so529380ugf for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 08:07:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=XugzudqijrJaOWnak+UEdAWwx69gD5KFBfo1ITz49+1zqBtKXi2gOjuThOVcJi6cYsbk9F0eiROA5RBnoH/5cuciRV5hNXvMBNOfkdXzrqWGzLAkeGWLY9frmM/Va0FaYskHe9GDbFihVVe7OYGZ97diMccZ83vjticPrpy+/AQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=nCOHtkv58WC6cE6ANFsws5g9sZ5Fb+5bkVT6xsRWeV3wKCCCbXcjm+Onk0O93fE7uOVenG4n43Z17eWFkZIkGpaHSI7+8aQK4r7ZDOutPNvAG2FFZiVxqH5mpdd/OHcEz+206TeXkfMwKUMIH7ZHq3+HS9CewPvapIFvcjujw9Y= Received: by 10.78.170.6 with SMTP id s6mr771253hue.1179587259383; Sat, 19 May 2007 08:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.172.11 with HTTP; Sat, 19 May 2007 08:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8bf118410705190807r79aed44en98a882d15ba70b8a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 16:07:39 +0100 From: "Dave Pick" To: "LF Group" MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: test on 503.6 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_30857_620452.1179587259332" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1758 ------=_Part_30857_620452.1179587259332 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline As everyone is watching the football match and not replying to CQs, I've put a beacon test QRS3 and CW on 503.6. Finbar is also beaconing on 503.3 with CW and a carrier. Dave -- G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK ------=_Part_30857_620452.1179587259332 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline As everyone is watching the football match and not replying to CQs, I've put a beacon test QRS3 and CW on 503.6.
Finbar is also beaconing on 503.3 with CW and a carrier.

Dave
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<001801c79afd$82dd67e0$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <004e01c79610$0592d320$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <4648D997.4050707@usa.net> <004301c797c9$f26e8b20$0300a8c0@lark> <464C8AC5.5090200@usa.net> <465072A3.4010901@usa.net> Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 17:38:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Winrad and Windows 98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1761 Hi Alberto, I am afraid I still get warning boxes about Resource button 390N and 590N not being found, and I have no sampling rates in the Drop-down on the time-unlimited ver 1.23. (running Win 98SE) Cheers de ALan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto di Bene To: Sent: 20 May 2007 17:09 Subject: LF: Winrad and Windows 98 > Many users have complained that Winrad V1.24 does not run under Windows 98, so they are forced to use V1.23 which has an > expiration date set for May 31st, 2007 > > For those users I have prepared a special build of V1.23 with the expiration limit removed. > Please note that this build can run only under Windows 98 and not XP. > > You can download it from the main Winrad Web page http://www.weaksignals.com > or its mirror http://www.winrad.org > > Please report any problems, as I don't have anymore Windows 98 on my PC, and for this reason I have been unable to fully > test this version. Thanks. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236703251340150599 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs78696hue; Thu, 17 May 2007 07:28:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.232.10 with SMTP id e10mr300652ugh.1179412127943; Thu, 17 May 2007 07:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o1si398035uge.2007.05.17.07.28.45; Thu, 17 May 2007 07:28:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hogtx-0002J0-Fy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 15:24:21 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hogtx-0002Ir-07 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 15:24:21 +0100 Received: from psmtp13.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.25]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hogtv-0004RF-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 15:24:20 +0100 Received: from ACER (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp13.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0JI600IKEW0DI3@psmtp13.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 16:24:13 +0200 (MEST) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:24:13 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <000701c7988f$0b302b80$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): captgus5.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_DZCRQQGCm7kyRsBhHeuRjg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1762 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_DZCRQQGCm7kyRsBhHeuRjg) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_edTtpuF53awKl2jmkJpLAA)" --Boundary_(ID_edTtpuF53awKl2jmkJpLAA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT nice capture gus 73 henny pa3cpm time:14:25 . --Boundary_(ID_edTtpuF53awKl2jmkJpLAA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004e01c79610$0592d320$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <4648D997.4050707@usa.net> <004301c797c9$f26e8b20$0300a8c0@lark> <464C8AC5.5090200@usa.net> <46546086.5030606@usa.net> <002401c79d52$af5dfd00$0300a8c0@lark> In-Reply-To: <002401c79d52$af5dfd00$0300a8c0@lark> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.3.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID103LewqiR0467X39 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Winrad and Windows 98 (again) ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1763 Alan Melia wrote: > Alberto > The one I downloaded was OK but it had the same ver no and build as a > previous non-worker ?? > Alan Alan, well, yes... I did upload V1.23 build 28 a couple of days ago, but it still contained the error that I had thought to have corrected. Now I have effectively corrected it, and have uploaded again the program, which still is V1.23 build 28, but without the error (hopefully). I kept the version and the build number equal to those of the regular version of Winrad that had the same general functionalities. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237252418418747167 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs320870hue; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.10 with SMTP id d10mr1461485ugm.1179935854712; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si653639ugf.2007.05.23.08.57.30; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqtAb-0003hn-He for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 16:54:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqtAb-0003he-5H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 16:54:37 +0100 Received: from smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.71]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqtAa-0008AT-2W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 16:54:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 61735 invoked from network); 23 May 2007 15:54:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=kI6QBxSvtVCFZ7q9fwkg0GGKoIujp7W8GX5KxuU5T7L9tgRyW9Hjfg/R2jBiZQ66XbCbHIScvbabojaPq0GM60ATF3hxhhadUpc8CE75r7ZX/8gOinpLVMguaxQNmkLPUnJ+pKL++909E5i/Mk7M1rGVXeflw9De525dFiaa60U= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.69.172 with login) by smtp811.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2007 15:54:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _6LtVYAVM1kMIq0iUYGHCLOxFeADeB3tRrl3ML_oXkBh0.UP6ynzFz80PHhYe7.BsGqZeUQbtw-- Message-ID: <002401c79d52$af5dfd00$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <004e01c79610$0592d320$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <4648D997.4050707@usa.net> <004301c797c9$f26e8b20$0300a8c0@lark> <464C8AC5.5090200@usa.net> <46546086.5030606@usa.net> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:54:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Winrad and Windows 98 (again) ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1764 Alberto The one I downloaded was OK but it had the same ver no and build as a previous non-worker ?? Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto di Bene To: Sent: 23 May 2007 16:40 Subject: LF: Winrad and Windows 98 (again) > I made an error in the expiration-less version of Winrad for Windows 98 (somebody could say that I goofed...). > If you did download that version, you will have noticed that the original problem is still there. > You are kindly advised to download it again, this time it should be ok. Sorry for the inconvenience. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236705179749222877 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs79603hue; Thu, 17 May 2007 07:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.254.2 with SMTP id b2mr347280ugi.1179413967121; Thu, 17 May 2007 07:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 27si633583ugp.2007.05.17.07.59.24; Thu, 17 May 2007 07:59:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HohMT-0002Qz-Qb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 15:53:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 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X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 1.3 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MISSING_SUBJECT=1.345 Subject: LF: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C79893.244D2B00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1765 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C79893.244D2B00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice daytime propagation Gus, 73 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X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: Re: Re: RE: 500 khz beacon Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1767 Hi Gary and Dave I saw this the other night. I have just looked at Geoclock and full ground-level darkness is only at about 2145 BST around Preston. The skywave signal will not lose all the D-layer attenuation until the altitude up to about 100km is dark this takes another hour approximately. I notice Gary is a lot stronger now at 2130BST. Interesting stuff ....especially when it works !! Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary - G4WGT To: Sent: 09 May 2007 22:04 Subject: LF: Re: RE: 500 khz beacon > Hi Dave, > > Tonight it has rained & I notice that the antenna current is well down on > last night when dry. I have not re-calculated so the info has not been > changed. Also I am calculating ERP from antenna current in the shack so the > losses to the antenna will mean radiation at the antenna will be lower, I am > playing on the safe side at the moment !!! > > Thanks for the report. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ > Updated 07/05/2007 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave G3WCB" > To: > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:48 PM > Subject: LF: RE: 500 khz beacon > > > > Hi, Gary, LF, > > > > Your signals are quite weak, with deep QSB. Clearly visible in QRSS3 mode, > > but only audible during peaks of QSB. See attached screenshot. I'd be > > surprised if you are actually radiating as much as 75mW, given the > > relative > > signal strengths of other 500 kHz stations. > > > > Hope this helps! > > > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT > > Sent: 09 May 2007 21:02 > > To: LF (Rsgb LF Group) > > Subject: LF: 500 khz beacon > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > Beacon on again until about 2300z. > > > > QRSS03 & CW ID etc - 503.600 khz - 75 mW ERP. > > > > 73 > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > > > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ > > Updated 07/05/2007 > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237000135069793907 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs203297hue; Sun, 20 May 2007 14:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.25.9 with SMTP id c9mr2897738ugj.1179695258500; Sun, 20 May 2007 14:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 13si4350586ugb.2007.05.20.14.07.35; Sun, 20 May 2007 14:07:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpsaN-0008Jd-F5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 22:05:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpsaM-0008JU-Rj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 22:05:02 +0100 Received: from proxy45.bvx.cz ([212.96.165.45]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpsaL-0008OP-Ak for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 22:05:02 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by proxy45.bvx.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE6B34E485C for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:07:11 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at smtp.bvx.cz Received: from proxy45.bvx.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (proxy45.bvx.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i0w0-1tHkibC for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:07:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rtv5f9d8dfdf44 (u-220-36.breclav.lan [192.168.220.36]) by proxy45.bvx.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AA224E4835 for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:07:11 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Lubom=EDr_Bobal=EDk?= To: Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 23:04:52 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c79b22$8283af50$0600a8c0@rtv5f9d8dfdf44> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000701c79b1f$6db3f470$08a3fea9@edgar1ew1re1zt> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.233,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: loud signal on 503.3KHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C79B33.460C7F50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1768 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C79B33.460C7F50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0002_01C79B33.460C7F50" ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C79B33.460C7F50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Ed! It was nice signal, as you can see. GE and GL Bob, OK2BVG ************************************************************* -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of dl2hre Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 10:43 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: loud signal on 503.3KHz who is the station on 503.3KHz transmitting VVVVVVV....? signal started at 2000utc in qrss3 audioable. cpy him S5-6 in jo51tq! Ed DL2HRE ------=_NextPart_001_0002_01C79B33.460C7F50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Ed!

It was nice signal, as you can see. =

GE and = GL

Bob, = OK2BVG

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-----Original = Message-----
From: = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of dl2hre
Sent: Sunday, May 20, = 2007 10:43 PM
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: loud signal = on 503.3KHz

who is the station on = 503.3KHz transmitting VVVVVVV....?

signal started at 2000utc = in qrss3 audioable. cpy him S5-6 in jo51tq!

Ed = DL2HRE

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daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs326305hue; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.216.14 with SMTP id o14mr3091443ugg.1178916805038; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id e1si863615ugf.2007.05.11.13.53.21; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:53:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hmc4F-0007dO-GO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 21:50:23 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hmc4F-0007dF-14 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 21:50:23 +0100 Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) 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Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1769 Hi Victor, Yes it does look like my signal, thank you for the sreen shot. 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4LHbpHaR2kWiVi9hEwI4a2V6QXOMw6ksUHiDDJiUymf/2Q== --Boundary_(ID_F/qrvMb6TPcd8JqCr0+Izg)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236452524378756931 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs241563hue; Mon, 14 May 2007 13:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.173.19 with SMTP id v19mr2356068bue.1179173016160; Mon, 14 May 2007 13:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 72si11791564ugb.2007.05.14.13.03.33; Mon, 14 May 2007 13:03:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hngjj-0006MY-Rr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 21:01:39 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] 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SMTP; 14 May 2007 20:01:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: SloQFaIVM1lnef9y3DObBjG1KhtGhNmSe4PS_f5N0Hl..t50 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 21:01:56 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003001c7965a$1dd57560$0300a8c0@lark> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: [500] Dead Band? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1776 Ah, sorry.. That was probably me! I spent the week-end listening on 137 kHz, and have just re-set my antenna for this band. 137 kHz was pretty much wiped out because of high static levels. Strangely, 500 kHz seems to be affected less by T-storm static than 137 kHz. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alan Melia Sent: 14 May 2007 19:53 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Dead Band? There is a strong carrier on 503.33 I think it must be G3UNT from the strength. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 14 May 2007 19:36 Subject: LF: Dead Band? > > I am calling CQ just below 502. Not a sausage around tonight apart from > G3YVF testing his loft antenna for 502! > > Anybody around tonight? > > > > G3VTT > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236174914199935487 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs321120hue; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.6 with SMTP id r6mr3043036ugl.1178908266342; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id e1si636991ugf.2007.05.11.11.31.00; Fri, 11 May 2007 11:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HmZrD-00069b-4F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 19:28:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HmZrC-00069S-Md for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 19:28:46 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.38]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HmZrB-0004dS-QY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 19:28:46 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAMtSREbUSnINk2dsb2JhbACIKYdWAQEBAQcGCAcFHw Received: from [88.106.75.151] (port=3689 helo=wgt01) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HmZr5-0005Vk-NL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 19:28:39 +0100 Message-ID: <007101c793fa$33a559d0$974b6a58@wgt01> From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <002201c793f5$75fbdf20$974b6a58@wgt01> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:28:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.294 Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz beacon 11th Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1777 Hi All, In my previous mail I wrote :- "503.600 KHz, QRSS03, CW ID 6 wpm, 75 mW ERP" As it is raining here at the moment & the ground is now quite wet the antenna current is noticable lower without any change to the transmitter or antenna settings. The ERP appears to about 40 mW now but my signal still looks the same on Dave's (G3YXM) grabber. 73 Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ Web site updated 07/05/2007 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236459406315729536 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs260807hue; Tue, 15 May 2007 01:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.97.18 with SMTP id z18mr5814246ugl.1179219339177; Tue, 15 May 2007 01:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 54si15707358ugp.2007.05.15.01.55.36; Tue, 15 May 2007 01:55:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hnslp-0001YT-TW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 09:52:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hnslp-0001YK-G6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 09:52:37 +0100 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hnslo-0002oc-LJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 09:52:37 +0100 Received: from fwd31.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Hnsln-0008WK-02; Tue, 15 May 2007 10:52:35 +0200 Received: from 192.168.2.22 (EX1U72ZUQeJ7Xk-5YlZdRD951HX1jIiTlHu-mwc6jfaqmLOWR5Qw08@[217.95.94.45]) by fwd31.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1HnslU-0KYGdU0; Tue, 15 May 2007 10:52:16 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References:<004e01c79610$0592d320$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <46495B84.16677.2783A9@dave.davesergeant.com> In-Reply-To:<46495B84.16677.2783A9@dave.davesergeant.com> To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.04.0003 Date: 15 May 2007 08:52 GMT Message-ID: <1HnslU-0KYGdU0@fwd31.sul.t-online.de> X-ID: EX1U72ZUQeJ7Xk-5YlZdRD951HX1jIiTlHu-mwc6jfaqmLOWR5Qw08 X-TOI-MSGID: 7d74d7db-c3c2-4e38-95f1-7e2d0a8db43e X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Rugby - Anthorn Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1778 Dear all, I do not have a former log entry how strong MSF may have been before on 60 kHz here in eastern Bavaria (JN68GN), but today it is just one S unit lower than HBN on 75 kHz, also employing an active aerial. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Dave Sergeant" schrieb: > On 14 May 2007 at 23:50, Alberto di Bene wrote: > > > The recent move of the 60 kHz time/frequency reference station from > > Rugby to Anthorn has considerably contributed to the diminution of RF > > pollution, at least here where I live... :-) Rugby was S9 on average, > > using the Roelof active whip, while Anthorn rarely exceeds S3... > > > > I thought I had to report this change of signal strength, even if it > > probably is of no interest for the majority of you... :-) > > > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > > > > Althorn is definitely a lot down in strength here in IO91PJ compared > with Rugby, and I know they had predicted this would be the case as > it is significantly further away. But if it is that far down in Italy > then maybe their new antennas are not getting out as well as the old > ones. Occasionally my MSF clock loses the signal. > > 73 Dave G3YMC > > http://www.davesergeant.com > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236459406315729536 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs256090hue; Mon, 14 May 2007 23:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.232.9 with SMTP id e9mr5753651ugh.1179209228128; Mon, 14 May 2007 23:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 39si12348984ugb.2007.05.14.23.07.03; Mon, 14 May 2007 23:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hnq9J-0000n6-Ob for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 07:04:41 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hnq9J-0000mw-Bc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 07:04:41 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.64]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hnq9I-00024M-I3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 07:04:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 46217 invoked from network); 15 May 2007 06:04:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dave) (dsergeant@btinternet.com@86.142.211.181 with login) by smtp804.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2007 06:04:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: cQ78iFMVM1njMgJZ7CyYxWEoHPQSa9KyO97Phy2TFJAHsMma6pXOgv_0nIs3Pza__IQ5YjMZr_SewrnkohhBdxaTCTeuNCauqUp.NOpxEDfzTKvs From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:04:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <46495B84.16677.2783A9@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <4648D997.4050707@usa.net> References: <004e01c79610$0592d320$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER>, <4648D997.4050707@usa.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Rugby - Anthorn Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1779 On 14 May 2007 at 23:50, Alberto di Bene wrote: > The recent move of the 60 kHz time/frequency reference station from > Rugby to Anthorn has considerably contributed to the diminution of RF > pollution, at least here where I live... :-) Rugby was S9 on average, > using the Roelof active whip, while Anthorn rarely exceeds S3... > > I thought I had to report this change of signal strength, even if it > probably is of no interest for the majority of you... :-) > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > Althorn is definitely a lot down in strength here in IO91PJ compared with Rugby, and I know they had predicted this would be the case as it is significantly further away. But if it is that far down in Italy then maybe their new antennas are not getting out as well as the old ones. Occasionally my MSF clock loses the signal. 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236459406315729536 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs245058hue; Mon, 14 May 2007 14:52:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.240.12 with SMTP id n12mr5461895ugh.1179179578984; Mon, 14 May 2007 14:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 30si14408964ugf.2007.05.14.14.52.53; Mon, 14 May 2007 14:52:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HniQx-0006nn-73 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 22:50:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HniQw-0006ne-D8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 22:50:22 +0100 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net ([165.212.64.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HniQv-0001ZZ-D2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 22:50:22 +0100 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net (cmsout03.mbox.net [165.212.64.33]) by cmsout03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D4B55C78 for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 21:50:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.132] by cmsout03.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.34P) with ESMTP id XID155LeNVYo7668X03; Mon, 14 May 2007 21:50:14 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.132 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID155LeNVYo7668X03 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.76.209.169] by cmsapps03.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.31J) with ESMTP id 165LeNVYL0125M39; Mon, 14 May 2007 21:50:11 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.76.209.169 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <4648D997.4050707@usa.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 23:50:15 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004e01c79610$0592d320$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> In-Reply-To: <004e01c79610$0592d320$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.3.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID165LeNVYL0125X39 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Rugby - Anthorn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1780 The recent move of the 60 kHz time/frequency reference station from Rugby to Anthorn has considerably contributed to the diminution of RF pollution, at least here where I live... :-) Rugby was S9 on average, using the Roelof active whip, while Anthorn rarely exceeds S3... I thought I had to report this change of signal strength, even if it probably is of no interest for the majority of you... :-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236272401611520605 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs176547hue; Sat, 12 May 2007 13:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.6 with SMTP id r6mr3888633ugl.1179001237243; Sat, 12 May 2007 13:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id k30si9237540ugc.2007.05.12.13.20.34; Sat, 12 May 2007 13:20:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hmy33-0002z5-2f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 21:18:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hmy32-0002yw-JO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 21:18:36 +0100 Received: from psmtp08.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.22]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hmy31-00089N-EG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 21:18:36 +0100 Received: from ACER (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp08.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0JHY006BC32T5F@psmtp08.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 22:18:30 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 22:18:27 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <001e01c794d2$b3a49820$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.110,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): gus.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_/m2NI+5SBQCiW/dU1OBmVg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1781 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_/m2NI+5SBQCiW/dU1OBmVg) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_tud38+p42XqsYo28EaoEpw)" --Boundary_(ID_tud38+p42XqsYo28EaoEpw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT strong signal gus best 73 henny pa3cpm --Boundary_(ID_tud38+p42XqsYo28EaoEpw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

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h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=lkhs4LN35OlVGGFAC/A+FIzwVP2Nf8MsO0UqEA93pnx/13rqzXOo0h+2vU5+b0HgH7lds6xrlKdGxdOEDoJk93FUZet1EjXaGadQfaP4Q5+3wfutfAMFs/HCJickUzhigZ4q62lwkVAHIXt2WzqEfIwgZW+tGlXfx2KCLseDJ3c= Received: by 10.100.199.12 with SMTP id w12mr208720anf.1179910137196; Wed, 23 May 2007 01:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.107.11 with HTTP; Wed, 23 May 2007 01:48:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d2415e0705230148s6a82d47ey55ef33d25d5258a7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:48:57 +0100 From: "lawrence mayhead" To: rsgb MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_00_10=0.642,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz Distance Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_101594_8157058.1179910137115" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=BE_AMAZED,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1782 ------=_Part_101594_8157058.1179910137115 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Dave, NO the top load does reduce the ground resistance ,it also improves the radiation resistance as you suggest, but this is a minor improvement compared to the quite dramatic effect of top load.I belive that what is happening is that the return current is spread out over a larger area of ground Poor ground has a limited capacity to carry current, so the more ground involved the better. I do appreciate your problem, and yes I am lucky to have a lot of space, but this has enabled me to discover this effect. My first LF antennas were multi wire Marconi type but I always had high ground loss resistance until I spread the top wire out,( the same length of wire ) not in a straight line but certainly covering "new" ground. The effect was dramatic ! I don't know what you can do, but if you can zig zag some wire about in the air you will be amazed. 73 Laurie ------=_Part_101594_8157058.1179910137115 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Dave,
NO the top load does reduce the ground resistance ,it also improves the
radiation resistance as you suggest, but this is a minor improvement compared
to the quite dramatic effect of top load.I belive that what is happening is that
the return current is spread out over a larger area of ground Poor ground has
a limited capacity to carry current, so the more ground involved the better.
I do appreciate your problem, and yes I am lucky to have a lot of space,
but this has enabled me to discover this effect. My first LF antennas were
multi wire Marconi type but I always had high ground loss resistance until I
spread the top wire out,( the same length of wire ) not in a straight line
but certainly covering "new" ground.
The effect was dramatic !
I don't know what you can do, but if you can zig zag some wire about in the
air you will be amazed.
73 Laurie
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Reports most welcomed! 73 Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236907685540026528 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs176609hue; Sat, 19 May 2007 13:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.10.18 with SMTP id n18mr2079750ugi.1179607091585; Sat, 19 May 2007 13:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j2si3182426ugf.2007.05.19.13.38.09; Sat, 19 May 2007 13:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpVdS-0003Yn-Ir for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 21:34:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpVdS-0003Ye-7r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 21:34:42 +0100 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpVdR-0006yx-Cl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 21:34:42 +0100 Received: from ACER (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0JIB0061K2HN8J@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 22:34:35 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 22:34:35 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <001f01c79a55$1d784f30$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): capt.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_t0S7Oa93xZWIFXniem2hLQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1786 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_t0S7Oa93xZWIFXniem2hLQ) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_CwXluVtRhYIgbiV4lJc/bA)" --Boundary_(ID_CwXluVtRhYIgbiV4lJc/bA) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT signals are comming up 18:35 utc henny cpm 73. --Boundary_(ID_CwXluVtRhYIgbiV4lJc/bA) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

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post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HoizD-0003Aj-Sg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 17:37:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HoizD-0003Aa-GD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 17:37:55 +0100 Received: from smtp-3.orange.nl ([193.252.22.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HoizC-0001N6-Qr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 17:37:55 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6212.orange.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1FF111C00083 for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 18:37:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (cd4400af3.cable.wanadoo.nl [212.64.10.243]) by mwinf6212.orange.nl (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 0477E1C00082 for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 18:37:48 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20070517163749183.0477E1C00082@mwinf6212.orange.nl From: "Victor van Kooten" To: Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 16:37:41 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000a01c7989d$3c09a160$0300a8c0@lark> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C79893.244D2B00" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1791 Thanks Alan, I made a good habbit of always filling in a subject,but writing an email and having a QSO on 2m the same time,I just forgot hi. 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Alan Melia Verzonden: donderdag 17 mei 2007 16:06 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C79893.244D2B00" Victor the reason why you message did not display properly was that you did not fill in the subject field. It would seem that there is a parsing problem with the reflector software which throws the system when attachments are added but the subject field is left blank. Try again with something in the subject field. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Victor van Kooten To: blacksheep Sent: 17 May 2007 15:53 Subject: LF: Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C79893.244D2B00" From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235793283941194091 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs169907hue; Mon, 7 May 2007 06:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.68.15 with SMTP id q15mr4970715aga.1178544315454; Mon, 07 May 2007 06:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 7si6933262agb.2007.05.07.06.25.12; Mon, 07 May 2007 06:25:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hl39Z-00018e-CT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 May 2007 14:21:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hl39Z-00018V-0S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 May 2007 14:21:25 +0100 Received: from smtpout0189.sc1.he.tucows.com ([64.97.136.189] helo=n066.sc1.he.tucows.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hl39Y-0005Tq-9i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 May 2007 14:21:24 +0100 Received: from g3kev (62.252.228.94) by n066.sc1.he.tucows.com (7.2.069.1) id 4630CEE10004A4BD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 7 May 2007 13:21:17 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c790aa$9b23c040$5ee4fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 13:20:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE - FS meter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1792 Dick As a matter of interest my level meter has a calibrated tracking osc, useful for cal the unit and its spot on but getting it right when using a loop on the rx section is tricky. de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235967680767209273 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs235472hue; Wed, 9 May 2007 04:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.119.9 with SMTP id w9mr1227021ugm.1178710633327; Wed, 09 May 2007 04:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 55si2854922ugq.2007.05.09.04.37.11; Wed, 09 May 2007 04:37:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HlkOU-00079R-Kk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 May 2007 12:31:42 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HlkOU-00079I-8S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 May 2007 12:31:42 +0100 Received: from mta1.glocalnet.net ([213.163.128.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HlkOT-000243-HC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 May 2007 12:31:42 +0100 Received: from webmail1.glocalnet.net (192.168.128.81) by mta1.glocalnet.net (7.3.104) (authenticated as begu@algonet.se) id 462DF0C3002F73C1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 9 May 2007 13:31:27 +0200 Message-ID: <12080231.13161178710287532.JavaMail.defaultUser@defaultHost> Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 13:31:27 +0200 (CEST) From: "begu@algonet.se" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Ang: Fw: PA2NL Content-Type: text/plain;charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1793 In other word...... PA2 NO LICENSE ! :-) 73 de Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Rollema" To: "LF-Group" Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 12:19 PM Subject: LF: PA2NL > To All from PA0SE > > Our Radio Agency has confirmed that no permission has been given to > transmit in the 500 kHz-band using the call sign PA2NL. > > 73, Dick, PA0SE > JO22GD > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235359873384619943 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.35.12.7 with SMTP id p7cs21105pyi; Wed, 2 May 2007 11:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.6 with SMTP id r6mr1143190ugl.1178130982689; Wed, 02 May 2007 11:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j3si1405188ugd.2007.05.02.11.36.19; Wed, 02 May 2007 11:36:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HjJcZ-0001yT-2z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 19:32:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HjJcY-0001yK-Lx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 19:32:10 +0100 Received: from psmtp03.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.12]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HjJcX-0001Rc-O8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 19:32:10 +0100 Received: from ACER (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp03.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0JHF00H6AFHFVJ@psmtp03.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 May 2007 20:32:04 +0200 (MEST) Date: Wed, 02 May 2007 20:32:03 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <000701c78ce8$2e096f20$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): gus.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_sU/kuF7ah+a+paqkOp8qNA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1794 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_sU/kuF7ah+a+paqkOp8qNA) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_FRb3MFBQWEWhweRZhJD0hg)" --Boundary_(ID_FRb3MFBQWEWhweRZhJD0hg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT nice signal gus time 18:30 utc best 73 henny pa3cpm.. --Boundary_(ID_FRb3MFBQWEWhweRZhJD0hg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

nice signal gus

time 18:30 utc

best 73

henny pa3cpm..

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19:42:48 BST Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 19:42:48 +0100 (BST) From: CHRISTOPHER OSBORN To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <682232.40240.qm@web86407.mail.ird.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: G3XIZ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1953573472-1179686568=:40240" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1796 --0-1953573472-1179686568=:40240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Many thanks for the useful reports Victor and Henny, I shall put out some QRSS and DFCW signals tonight from about 1930 GMT on 503.3 kc/s. 73 Chris G3XIZ Victor van Kooten wrote: Captured at 503.3 KHz,good audio Chris! Also audible Mal,503.55 KHz. 73 Victor --------------------------------- Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. --0-1953573472-1179686568=:40240 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Many thanks for the useful reports Victor and Henny,

I shall put out some QRSS and DFCW signals tonight from about 1930 GMT on 503.3 kc/s.

73 Chris G3XIZ

Victor van Kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

Captured at 503.3 KHz,good audio Chris!
Also audible Mal,503.55 KHz.

73
Victor

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Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. --0-1953573472-1179686568=:40240-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236970624494755706 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs194796hue; Sun, 20 May 2007 06:18:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.11.15 with SMTP id o15mr2607801ugi.1179667114926; Sun, 20 May 2007 06:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j2si3930119ugf.2007.05.20.06.18.31; Sun, 20 May 2007 06:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HplF1-0006MW-3s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 14:14:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HplF0-0006MN-LG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 14:14:30 +0100 Received: from smtp-4.orange.nl ([193.252.22.249]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HplEz-0002Hi-Pa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 14:14:30 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf6301.orange.nl (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 10A237000084 for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 15:14:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from pa3fnytrqxpddu (cd4400af3.cable.wanadoo.nl [212.64.10.243]) by mwinf6301.orange.nl (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 462567000081 for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 15:14:22 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20070520131423287.462567000081@mwinf6301.orange.nl From: "Victor van Kooten" To: "blacksheep" Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:14:08 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: G3XIZ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C79AE0.C00EDDA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1797 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C79AE0.C00EDDA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Captured at 503.3 KHz,good audio Chris! 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X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.524,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: nochmal antrag Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01C78DB7.F9C1AEA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1798 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C78DB7.F9C1AEA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gr=FCsse Dich, Uwe. Ja, ich hatte 3 Karten beigelegt. 1. Ortsplan Dormitz ( primitive Kopie ) 2. Lageplan meines Flurst=FCckes und einiger drumherum 3. Plan meines Grundst=FCckes, wie auch seinerzeit zur Selbsterkl=E4rung = vorgelegt. Die genauen Koordinaten hatte mir ein Funkfreund besorgt, der = Beziehungen zum Vermessungsamt hat.=20 Und zwar die Gauss-Kr=FCger- Koordinaten und die geographischen = Koordinaten des Bessel-Ellipsoids, also keine WGS84-Koordinaten. Hatte mir vorher aus einer Karte 1:25000 durch Interpolation die = Werte geholt - das war verbl=FCffend genau. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF NS. Bitte sag mir wenn`s losgeht. -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Uwe Wensauer An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Donnerstag, 3. Mai 2007 18:43 Betreff: LF: nochmal antrag Hast du Lageplan der Antenne beigelegt ( Flurplan) ? uwe ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C78DB7.F9C1AEA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Gr=FCsse Dich, Uwe.

Ja, ich hatte 3 Karten beigelegt.

1. Ortsplan Dormitz ( primitive Kopie )

2. Lageplan meines Flurst=FCckes und einiger=20 drumherum

3. Plan meines Grundst=FCckes, wie auch seinerzeit = zur=20 Selbsterkl=E4rung vorgelegt.

Die genauen Koordinaten hatte mir ein Funkfreund = besorgt, der=20 Beziehungen zum Vermessungsamt hat.

Und zwar die Gauss-Kr=FCger- Koordinaten und die = geographischen=20 Koordinaten des Bessel-Ellipsoids, also keine = WGS84-Koordinaten.

Hatte mir vorher = aus einer=20 Karte 1:25000 durch Interpolation die Werte geholt - das war = verbl=FCffend=20 genau.

73 Walter DI2AG /=20 DJ2LF

NS. Bitte sag mir wenn`s losgeht.

-----Urspr=FCngliche=20 Nachricht-----
Von: Uwe Wensauer <uwe.wensauer@gmx.de>
An:= rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
Datum:=20 Donnerstag, 3. Mai 2007 18:43
Betreff: LF: nochmal=20 antrag

Hast du Lageplan der Antenne beigelegt (=20 Flurplan)

?

uwe

------=_NextPart_000_0010_01C78DB7.F9C1AEA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236179686138741895 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs323697hue; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.220.12 with SMTP id s12mr3068473ugg.1178912816678; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j34si6634169ugc.2007.05.11.12.46.54; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hmb36-0006dR-AP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 20:45:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hmb35-0006dI-V9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 20:45:07 +0100 Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hmb35-0007ma-69 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 20:45:07 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAIFkREbUSnILk2dsb2JhbACIKYdXAQEBAQcIBgcFHw Received: from [88.106.75.151] (port=4316 helo=wgt01) by mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Hmb2w-000D20-HM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 20:44:58 +0100 Message-ID: <008001c79404$dcde3a80$974b6a58@wgt01> From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:45:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: [500] G3WCB QRV 503.330 kHz...QRSS3... Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1799 Hi Dave & LF, I am seeing your signal between my QRSS string & CW ID string, I have 9 second key up situation there to take a short look at the band. You are good on Dave's (G3YXM) grabber. 73 Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ Web site updated 07/05/2007 ----- Original Message ----- G3WCB is in beacon mode QRSS3 with 5 WPM CW I/D on 503.330 kHz 1920 utc until 2300 utc tonight. RF into the antenna is 20W. Antenna current 0,24A, and ERP about 50mW. WX rain. Sorry I couldn't get any closer to G4WGT...my crystal won't go any higher! Once again, reports are most welcome. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235584499527913666 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs104902hue; Fri, 4 May 2007 23:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.232.11 with SMTP id e11mr3245288ugh.1178345203222; Fri, 04 May 2007 23:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j3si168435ugd.2007.05.04.23.06.39; Fri, 04 May 2007 23:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HkDKr-0007k1-P0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 07:01:37 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 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MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: VO1NA QRV Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1801 Evenin' Joe Ah that is good, shows the old system still works !! Its a bit noisy tonight but not too bad Nighty Bye ZZZzzzzzz. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Craig To: Sent: 16 May 2007 00:55 Subject: Re: LF: Re: VO1NA QRV > Hi Alan, Group > > I was out in the shed keying the daft thing at about that time. > In 5 mins, I'll send something more sensible. > > 73 and good luck > Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236557003089891293 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs21600hue; Tue, 15 May 2007 16:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.130.8 with SMTP id c8mr12496140wxd.1179273485405; Tue, 15 May 2007 16:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id i37si373489wxd.2007.05.15.16.58.00; Tue, 15 May 2007 16:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ho6sE-0005tw-AQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 00:56:10 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ho6sD-0005tn-M7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 00:56:09 +0100 Received: from mx4.mun.ca ([134.153.232.56] helo=ella.ucs.mun.ca) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ho6sC-00079l-ON for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 00:56:09 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by ella.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l4FNtxht020476 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 21:25:59 -0230 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id l4FNtx5W019059 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 21:25:59 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id l4FNtxuV018444; Tue, 15 May 2007 21:25:59 -0230 (NDT) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 21:25:58 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000601c7974a$732001c0$0300a8c0@lark> Message-ID: References: <1751305265.20070512104213@gmx.de> <001f01c79479$76cabbe0$0300a8c0@lark> <4648DB25.6010907@usa.net> <000601c7974a$732001c0$0300a8c0@lark> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 134.153.232.56 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: VO1NA QRV Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1802 Hi Alan, Group I was out in the shed keying the daft thing at about that time. In 5 mins, I'll send something more sensible. 73 and good luck Joe On Wed, 16 May 2007, Alan Melia wrote: > Hi Joe I caught some squarks in the frequency about 2300z maybe a tune-up ?? > I am going to bed now but will leave my captures running. My situation these > days is not as good as it used to be.. > Cheeers de Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Craig > To: > Sent: 15 May 2007 23:33 > Subject: LF: VO1NA QRV > > > > DFCW 120 137.777 kHz 1.2 kw DC input 4.7 A RF starting > > 0001 UTC 16 May. > > > > Reports most welcomed! > > > > 73 > > Joe > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236557003089891293 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs21345hue; Tue, 15 May 2007 16:44:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.59.20 with SMTP id h20mr2565134wxa.1179272654893; Tue, 15 May 2007 16:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id h37si460213wxd.2007.05.15.16.44.11; Tue, 15 May 2007 16:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ho6dN-0005nM-6c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 00:40:49 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ho6dM-0005nD-Gn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 00:40:48 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.65]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ho6dL-00075u-NY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 00:40:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 340 invoked from network); 15 May 2007 23:40:42 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=PacxDxDU7E9lb00orlzeRyyuDf0v1aITKWRV4aBxkOLVq5X6Ydm8Awdl6HL5AaVyw6Mlm8I0tFcXrkySZUEcbBChCChlBb3NdpfupN8UuSdBPZKx8eUcHPq5QjPQRs9ajzWslepCOAmARFdXki1iIF//qjPmamw8xK/OVkwT7LE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.19.131 with login) by smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2007 23:40:41 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: N7TQyTMVM1lKk7na08iCdH2DWP96DIX0.wCb2c0QdDSilbajYoLPeZAdImc7FEqyOTPNtMqdiw-- Message-ID: <000601c7974a$732001c0$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <1751305265.20070512104213@gmx.de> <001f01c79479$76cabbe0$0300a8c0@lark> <4648DB25.6010907@usa.net> Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 00:40:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: VO1NA QRV Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1803 Hi Joe I caught some squarks in the frequency about 2300z maybe a tune-up ?? I am going to bed now but will leave my captures running. My situation these days is not as good as it used to be.. Cheeers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Craig To: Sent: 15 May 2007 23:33 Subject: LF: VO1NA QRV > DFCW 120 137.777 kHz 1.2 kw DC input 4.7 A RF starting > 0001 UTC 16 May. > > Reports most welcomed! > > 73 > Joe > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235641216974193720 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs121056hue; Sat, 5 May 2007 14:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.102.16 with SMTP id e16mr3761102ugm.1178399292566; Sat, 05 May 2007 14:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 27si8127732ugp.2007.05.05.14.08.10; Sat, 05 May 2007 14:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HkRQb-0001B1-0a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 22:04:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HkRQa-0001As-Cf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 22:04:28 +0100 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.247]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HkRQZ-0000OA-FM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 22:04:28 +0100 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c36so31229ana for ; Sat, 05 May 2007 14:04:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=WLuHWx3iyPa6klGRyOzbBaMReYcWP7mnujRYM85fFWzzXUADqALF1DJ88shrHNoAavDgGLnwN2hydlZk7YiMaXCugYr6DHOMIQqk7w27KqROpzDR36zN7YW9Akq7Uu6HOxRlz27OECQFJGhGUbHA4l96EvOjmw6/Nkn60pgTZLA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=KkhH8i1ONcXyWXXZdWhrKHmWzRzcMFjcfROv4Ogh1BCWnIyV3VdZOEvAVfjicVb2NlB9tgkwwXmWkr6EUjVJjF+2yRYUqQkvdY1RF1YV4TotWvNXK4n43gEFc6E07a0fBmZWC65RTznZj67Ksy9oax85GsWX9AjzO4Uic657jRY= Received: by 10.100.95.19 with SMTP id s19mr3730823anb.1178399064433; Sat, 05 May 2007 14:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.112.20 with HTTP; Sat, 5 May 2007 14:04:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d2415e0705051404u31858fb3i9797db386e45ae1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 22:04:24 +0100 From: "lawrence mayhead" To: rsgb MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_SHORT_LENGTH=0.629 Subject: LF: 500kHz testing Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_64018_12554920.1178399064342" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1804 ------=_Part_64018_12554920.1178399064342 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_64019_20276849.1178399064342" ------=_Part_64019_20276849.1178399064342 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline WGT test recieved here at 2150 73 Laurie. ------=_Part_64019_20276849.1178399064342 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline WGT test recieved here at 2150
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X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1805 Hi Victor & Hartmut, Thanks Victor for the additional screen shot & to Hartmut for the additions to the 500 KHz page at :- http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest500kHz.htm 73 Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ Web site updated 07/05/2007 ----- Original Message ----- G4WGT is now visible, 73,GL Victor PA3FNY JO22NC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236202818341555722 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs331974hue; Fri, 11 May 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02:50:42 +0100 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.11.246]) by bay0-omc1-s27.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 11 May 2007 18:50:34 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 11 May 2007 18:50:34 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 207.46.11.254 by by124fd.bay124.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 12 May 2007 01:50:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [218.82.210.71] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <1178931485.3516.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Bcc: Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 17:50:33 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 May 2007 01:50:34.0385 (UTC) FILETIME=[EE341010:01C79437] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: Re: LF: clear out/sdr Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1806 Tom - its as good as the R75 in this working location (well...as far as I can see here) - It takes a little getting used to but I can now get to a freq pretty quick and changing modes is a click away - cw b/w to 100Hz and rock steady at room temps at dot 120 as far as I can tell. Intelligent too - i knows when the signal is too strong most of the time and tells you in flashing red letter to turn down the IF gain. A couple of carrier birdies Ive seen - one at 9020khz at -105dBm and one at 20Mhz at -97dBm - rest is clean. I sent a response to Mal last week who asked the same sort of questions. Now youll have to realize that Im playing with very small antennae in a very dodgy noisy location and dont know how it will play out on a large array but I cant see any intermods on LF and MF with numerous MW bcst stations up to -10dBm..impressive I think. Sensitivity for what I need is going to be fine - eprobes or bits of wire in Singapore and youll probably see it in use /mobile in W5 land in a couple of weeks. Would I buy another - yep - its so so so much easier being self powered and something that doesnt look like a radio....does it replace a good base station receiver? Well its horses for courses here but it cuts the mustard for me ( and I have two active R75's in operation too) The baby bottle and eprobe/SDR is a keeper - Ive not managed to get any wire array here to give me as good s/n - but that earthing against the balcony or door frame is the absolute key; I dont think it would be workable, or give so good noise results, in a wooden framed house without a good screen to earth dump before it gets into the house. I just changed the coax on the probe last night as has suffered abration going in and out of window and door frames - I bought a 100m reel of rg174 for 30 bucks equiv down in the shanghai electronics market area (huge) and Ill be going there today to secure the last of my bits and cache for future projects - the place is a goldmine with prices 1/10th of the US and same quality. PL259 to bnc for 50 cents... Cheers - Laurence spitting with rain shanghai : Fri, 11 May 2007 20:58:05 -0400 > >Hi Laurence: > >On another subject....do you get good copy results with your fish pole >e-probe and the sdr-iq? I'm curious....thanks, > >Tom N8TL > _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine�s 2007 editors� choice for best Web mail�award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236271633396946018 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs176355hue; Sat, 12 May 2007 13:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.117.18 with SMTP id u18mr3869375ugm.1179000505226; Sat, 12 May 2007 13:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 28si8436887ugc.2007.05.12.13.08.22; Sat, 12 May 2007 13:08:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by 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May 2007 14:15:56 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HjbA4-0003yc-BY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 May 2007 14:15:56 +0100 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HjbA2-0003ER-LS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 May 2007 14:15:56 +0100 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-183.fen-net.de [212.204.117.63]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id l43DAwsE014781 for ; Thu, 3 May 2007 15:10:59 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002001c78d85$a6397a60$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:19:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Three men in a boat (4?) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01C78D96.693C0360" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1810 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C78D96.693C0360 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends, thanks for all the comments. The three men have an experimental license for propagation studies ( = DI-prefix, no ham radio prefix, have to pay extra money ) =20 Beaconing is a good way to get reports. I received a lot of it since = 2005 ( and so did DI2BO ) from all of Europe and a few from the US on = 440 and 505,1. And I made a summary for the authorities.=20 In addition to beaconing changing reports by radio might be = another way to study the propagation. The UK-stns are very weak here in = the south of Germany, but let`s try. Mal was sometimes audible for a = short time, but much better visible like other UK-stns. Maybe Holger an = Uwe can receive the UK-stns better, as they are much more North. Dear Mal, be sure: We like CW. 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF =20 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C78D96.693C0360 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear friends,

thanks=20 for all the comments.

The three men have an experimental license for = propagation=20 studies ( DI-prefix, no ham radio prefix, have to pay extra money = ) =20

Beaconing is a good way to get reports. I received a = lot of it=20 since 2005 ( and so did DI2BO ) from all of Europe and a few from the US = on 440=20 and 505,1. And I made a summary for the = authorities.

=20 In addition to beaconing changing reports by radio might be another way = to study=20 the propagation. The UK-stns are very weak here in the south of Germany, = but=20 let`s try. Mal was sometimes audible for a short time, but much = better=20 visible like other UK-stns. Maybe Holger an Uwe can receive the UK-stns = better,=20 as they are much more North.

Dear=20 Mal, be sure: We like CW.

73 Walter DI2AG /=20 DJ2LF

------=_NextPart_000_001D_01C78D96.693C0360-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236180560990961007 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs325779hue; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.88.17 with SMTP id q17mr3066470ugl.1178915801155; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 28si6689463ugc.2007.05.11.13.36.38; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:36:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hmbod-0007V0-EQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 21:34:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hmbod-0007Ur-0x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 21:34:15 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.73]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hmboa-0004xv-Az for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 21:34:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 15927 invoked from network); 11 May 2007 20:34:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dave) (dsergeant@btinternet.com@86.141.227.130 with login) by smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2007 20:34:06 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: q86OY.oVM1kGGavvquWnRk1FKNL6ZVUJu4ByTOzKRjIwcu5h3W7epyBIGjlopHTU8jjBbKIcolOaTeIBBoDY7RFYboG9Z3PkXau4eWFU4wHRHvNo From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 21:34:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4644E151.4453.3471EC2@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: References: <46444F0D.15552.10BC551@dave.davesergeant.com>, X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: [ 500] G3YMC - Report Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1812 On 11 May 2007 at 20:59, Dave G3WCB wrote: > Hi, Dave, LF. > > You're a good signal here - about 589, by ear. Antenna is a 20m "Tee" > at 5m, tuned by the ubiquitious plastic bucket variometer, 500 kHz > preselector into an ICOM IC-PCR1000. > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM Many thanks Dave! Still not got the matching sorted out as the SWR is pretty lousy but think the coil is now on resonance. Called G3KEV and G3XIZ earlier with no results so was getting disheartened... Did some tests earlier across town with John G3NCN who has only an untuned antenna for 500kHz - his 579 report didn't fill me with enthusiasm either but at least the signal sounded nice and clean to him. Hope to get the matching sorted over the next few days, but it is not helped with the current horrible weather and I have a few other things to occupy me before Monday. Your QRRS3 is pretty strong here in Bracknell (IO91PJ)! 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236180560990961007 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs324218hue; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.123.4 with SMTP id v4mr946475huc.1178913651852; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 30si7876414ugf.2007.05.11.13.00.48; Fri, 11 May 2007 13:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HmbGM-0006xe-Mt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 20:58:50 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HmbGM-0006xS-8L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 20:58:50 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.63]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HmbGL-0000mV-GO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 20:58:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 4070 invoked from network); 11 May 2007 19:58:44 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:In-Reply-To:Importance; b=k49xmCJYknm8DthcjRIW2AYeyJp6RYPEKto8jLK2CSwIqqJli5Vw3ZQrTmlg9dCq+TxL+T8zlbtbi9n3pWu221RCxMAv9cPf7Q3IIXrhKv44YPMa4fe0uNgONt4rKkgQlJ34P8f1GsQ1KSOLbKOWqWiHRSRqJ2T19loiu5ho+sc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@81.154.12.236 with login) by smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2007 19:58:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5S6MYMIVM1mJxWMjpwV.n7tffxOMSPY.SUgQ_YswWth8g4OHcFPqXNUP7YCQwcY4OZ3LQmHEJqpdAeHfIKiHyou5Geixz7ViG_vxIM5hRnsh0gR7 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:59:09 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <46444F0D.15552.10BC551@dave.davesergeant.com> Importance: Normal DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: [ 500] G3YMC - Report Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1813 Hi, Dave, LF. You're a good signal here - about 589, by ear. Antenna is a 20m "Tee" at 5m, tuned by the ubiquitious plastic bucket variometer, 500 kHz preselector into an ICOM IC-PCR1000. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave Sergeant Sent: 11 May 2007 11:10 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: 500 kHz loop antenna ? The TX is now finished, apart from sorting out a netting method. First time I connected it to the antenna I found the SWR was infinite! Yesterday I lashed up a simple impedance meter (effectively a noise bridge with the 'noise' from my sig genny. That showed me that it had a beautiful resonance on 160m, where it worked before I added the extra loading coil. I have just reconfigured the connections to the loading so about to check it again and hopefully resonate it on the right frequency. All part of our experimentation! You used to be able to see my 136kHz loop on Google Earth but they have just updated their mapping and it is no longer there (which is right!!) 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237130935048853729 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs258418hue; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.116.1 with SMTP id t1mr402006ugm.1179819999108; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 13si719518ugb.2007.05.22.00.46.34; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqP0w-0005ZI-AF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:42:38 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqP0v-0005Z9-O0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:42:37 +0100 Received: from xsmtp05.mail2web.com ([168.144.250.245]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqP0s-0006uG-2W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:42:37 +0100 Received: from [168.144.108.40] (helo=M2W040.mail2web.com) by xsmtp05.mail2web.com with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqP0h-0004dD-4n; Tue, 22 May 2007 03:42:25 -0400 Message-ID: <380-2200752227422354@M2W040.mail2web.com> X-Priority: 3 X-Originating-IP: 193.249.231.25 X-URL: http://mail2web.com/ From: "john.rabson@wanadoo.fr" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 03:42:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Choice of mode (was LF: Distance) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1815 >From: Rik Strobbe rik=2Estrobbe@fys=2Ekuleuven=2Ebe >Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:28:30 +0200 >To: rsgb=5Flf=5Fgroup@blacksheep=2Eorg >Subject: Re: LF: Distance [ =2E=2E=2E ] >Nobody disagrees with you=2E What Mal said was "there is no need to=20 >use QRS to be heard around EU"=2E It seems a shame to use a slow mode=20 >if a given path supports a faster one=2E Getting into eastern Europe from G on CW may not be easy (see previous postings from OK)=2E=20 Anyway, QRSS can be fun=2E 73 John F5VLF/G3PAI -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web LIVE =96 Free email based on Microsoft=AE Exchange technology - http://link=2Email2web=2Ecom/LIVE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236817440764627408 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs122135hue; Fri, 18 May 2007 13:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.115.7 with SMTP id s7mr1301386ugm.1179521027795; Fri, 18 May 2007 13:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id k1si2932331ugf.2007.05.18.13.43.44; Fri, 18 May 2007 13:43:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hp9Ep-0006nE-TJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 21:39:47 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hp9Ep-0006n5-CA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 21:39:47 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.91]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hp9Eo-0004we-KX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 21:39:47 +0100 Received: from g3xaq.demon.co.uk ([80.176.129.138]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Hp9El-0000SG-Bg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 20:39:43 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 21:38:03 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Alan Ibbetson MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-S () X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: G3XAQ on 502.0 KHz Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1816 I have today got my 500KHz station on the air. I am located near Canterbury, locator JO01md. Here are some technical details. The aerial is an inverted-L with a 15m vertical and a 35m horizontal section. This was originally my top band aerial. I have added a 1mH end loading coil (460 turns of 0.5mm enamelled wire on a 38mm OD white poly waste pipe occupying 275mm of winding length). The loading coil is 14.7m from the far end. I trimmed the 14.7m for resonance at 502KHz because I wanted a roughly resonant aerial to simplfy feeding, but from the way the resonance wanders about as the wind blows I'm not convinced this was such a great idea. Standard formulae suggest this aerial has a radiation resistance of almost exactly 1 ohm. The aerial is end fed against a reasonable earth system comprising a 20m x 20m mat of stock fencing with the sections crimped together. I also have about twenty 30m radials. On top band I can work east coast US easily with 100W and I have worked VK and W6 with 400W. I was quite surprised (well, p****d off) to measure the return loss of the aerial system at 502KHz as 22dB. This suggests the input resistance is a little over 40 ohms, almost all of which is earth loss resistance! So much for my "killer" top band earth mat. I am using a link-coupled series tuned ATU with a loaded Q of 7 placed at the base of the aerial to get the SWR very close to 1:1. The 2:1 SWR bandwidth of the aerial system is less than 2 KHz (1KHz either side of resonance). I have built a QRP transmitter using an ECL82 triode pentode, as popularised by G0UPL and others. Output is 4 watts. Cathode keying with a small choke and 0.5uF capacitor gives a clean 3msec rise and fall on the keying waveform, but the un-neutralised PA has a backwave that is only 40dB down. I've added a "half wave" filter after the pi tank in an effort to avoid QRMing MW broadcast stations. Harmonics are over 50dB down. The main HF station FT1000MP Mk5 seems just OK on 500KHz. Band noise is S 1 in a 500Hz passband on the meter. The rig is crystal controlled on 502.0KHz, so you know where to find me! All I need now is some stations to work. "Can you hear me, Mother?". -- Cheers, Alan G3XAQ alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236683884975036044 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs76159hue; Thu, 17 May 2007 05:53:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.30.6 with SMTP id h6mr268910ugj.1179406412861; Thu, 17 May 2007 05:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id y1si302811uge.2007.05.17.05.53.29; Thu, 17 May 2007 05:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HofQg-00021Z-Mq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 13:50:02 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HofQg-00021Q-4I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 13:50:02 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.155]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HofQf-0003uk-2N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 13:50:02 +0100 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.11.247]) by bay0-omc2-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Thu, 17 May 2007 05:49:54 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 17 May 2007 05:49:54 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 207.46.11.254 by by124fd.bay124.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 17 May 2007 12:49:50 GMT X-Originating-IP: [220.196.31.130] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <20070517144434.p90ra5c6qhno40o8@webmail3.kuleuven.be> From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Bcc: Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 04:49:50 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 17 May 2007 12:49:54.0720 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE10E200:01C79881] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Shangai grabber Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1817 Just my luck - the usa service for KL1X is presently got some form of "issues" - Ill try ftping a bit later... >From: Rik Strobbe >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: Re: Shangai grabber >Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 14:44:34 +0200 > >Gary, > >>I guess it could be edited for other grabbers etc. > >Sure, just edit 2 (or 3) lines: > > >replqce the 60 (between quotes) by the desired refresh time in seconds (so >if you want a refresh every 5 minutes it should be 300. > >

>Beween the quotes you place the desired URL > >Not obligatory: >Shanghai 500kHz grabber >Put an appropiate title beween and . Or just remove this >line, it is only "for show". > >73, Rik > >Quoting Gary - G4WGT : > >>Hi Rik, LF, >> >>Brilliant, it works great. >> >>I guess it could be edited for other grabbers etc. >> >>73 >> >>Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp >> >>http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ >>Web site updated 07/05/2007 >> >>----- Original Message ----- monitor the Shangai grabber without having >>to push the refresh button of your browser every minute: > > > >Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm > > _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine�s 2007 editors� choice for best Web mail�award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236683884975036044 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs76058hue; Thu, 17 May 2007 05:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.116.1 with SMTP id t1mr257903ugm.1179406162522; Thu, 17 May 2007 05:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 34si288339uga.2007.05.17.05.49.19; Thu, 17 May 2007 05:49:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HofLJ-0001vs-Pz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 13:44:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HofLJ-0001vj-AX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 13:44:29 +0100 Received: from rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.42]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HofLH-0007bh-PG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 13:44:29 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56991D774B for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 14:44:21 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp02.kuleuven.be (lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.72]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF63C1D78DB for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 14:44:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp02.kuleuven.be (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A49D02CAB14; Thu, 17 May 2007 14:44:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail1.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail1.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.3]) by smtp02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982A62CAADA for

Hi All,

I once vowed never to get involved in any e-mail pig pong wars but I wa= nted=20 to add my tuppence worth.

Laurie I agree with you and Mal. We need a stipulation of power that is= =20 easily measurable and gives some incentive to improve antennas and equipment= and=20 more activity.

Using a stipulated power, say in the 5 to 10 watts region, would be eas= y to=20 measure with simple equipment such as a peak voltmeter and dummy load and th= ose=20 with the NoV, (or hopefully in the future without), could spend time develop= ing=20 simple equipment for the band. Who dreamed up these daft ERP and dBw notions= =20 anyway? I can use them but surely rms power into a dummy load or antenna&nbs= p;is=20 a far easier measurement to quantify?

Geoff G3YVF, unfortunately with a poor antenna, has developed two excel= lent=20 designs using both valves and semiconductors. I've already learnt something=20 about antenna losses and measurement over the last few weeks and for me the=20= NoV=20 has been a breath of fresh air in terms of operating, building antennas and=20 equipment. Locally G3XAQ and G3UNT have made similar designs - and learnt a=20= lot=20 on the way.

I've just written to my local Ofcom Field Office letting them know I, (= and=20 G3YVF), intend to operate portable on the marshes in two weeks time, dependi= ng=20 on the winds for our kite antenna.See you there - those left on the band.

I've told them about the NoV and given them my NGR - I wonder if the lo= cal=20 Office will know what I'm talking about?

Like you I think activity is falling off........a great pity. Any CW is= =20 good CW from tapping two wires together to a bug, a pump or an elbug. This c= ould=20 be a great band for the GQRP club gang with a simple transmitter at 5 watts.= You=20 must know the story........

Back to lawn cutting. See you on 502 after lunch.

Colin G3VTT

In a message dated 22/05/2007 09:31:18 GMT Standard Time,=20 laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>The=20 problem with an erp limit as low as 0.1W is that there is no incentive to=20 develop better antennas.
We can easily develop enough power to drive ev= en=20 the most inefficient of antennas.
Not like 136 where it needed 1000w to= =20 achieve 1W erp even with quite a large ant. so there was
an incentive=20= and=20 a challenge to develop better antennas.
Attenuation by trees/buildings=20= etc=20 can easily be compensated for by more power so long as we
can measure e= rp=20 accurately at a suitable distance and direction.
I think this low power= =20 limit may lead to the demise of 500kHz at least among those of us=20 whose
interest is in design and development
The only compensation is= =20 that this limit has created a level playing field on which everyone can=20
play, but where is the challenge?
I think that a far better rule wo= uld=20 have been to limit the power to say 10W (if it needs to be this=20 low,
and I dont think it does , we are all responsible amateurs and sho= uld=20 be trusted more ). Then we could
work on our own designs , so that=20 developments like Finbars spiral would have a purpose.
It will b= e=20 interesting to see how many are operating still in 9 months time, I=20 think there is already
a falling off in interest and activity.
As fa= r as=20 Mals comments are concerned no doubt QRSS is not necessesary for=20 UK and near
European contacts, but it is essential if greater=20 distance are to be covered so it should be encouraged
not denigrated.73=20 Laurie G3AQC

-------------------------------1179833597-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237133894613295379 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs265761hue; Tue, 22 May 2007 04:37:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.249.16 with SMTP id w16mr528074ugh.1179833847808; Tue, 22 May 2007 04:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q1si1420374uge.2007.05.22.04.37.24; Tue, 22 May 2007 04:37:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqSb9-0006KE-9Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 12:32:15 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqSb8-0006K5-SD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 12:32:14 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqSb4-0008Ez-AS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 12:32:14 +0100 Received: from rmailcenter08.comcast.net ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20070522113150m13007jkgme>; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:32:01 +0000 Received: from [24.91.125.179] by rmailcenter08.comcast.net; Tue, 22 May 2007 11:31:49 +0000 From: k2ors@comcast.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb Cc: "lawrence mayhead" Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 11:31:49 +0000 Message-Id: <052220071131.129.4652D4A5000C8B480000008122007507840B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: 500kHz Distance X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1835 Laurie, > The problem with an erp limit as low as 0.1W is that there is no incentive > to develop better antennas. > We can easily develop enough power to drive even the most inefficient of > antennas. > Not like 136 where it needed 1000w to achieve 1W erp even with quite a large > ant. so there was > an incentive and a challenge to develop better antennas. I agree 100%. Here in the U.S., the 500kHz experimental license WD2XSH is limited to 20 watts erp, but thats only because 20 watts was all that was requested. The group felt (wrongly, I believe ) that the FCC would be more likely to issue a license if the power was kept low. It is my experience and understanding of the FCC that there are only two things that they care about when issuing an experimental license 1) No conflicts with existing users, and 2)That all of the required issues are addressed on the application forms. I requested and received a 136 kHz license (WD2XGJ) with 10 watts ERP, in retrospect I think that the FCC would have granted me 100watts or 1kW ERP on 136 just as easily - I would have had a difficult time radiating 1kW on 136 though! The WD2XSH experiment is supposed to demonstrate the reliability of groundwave on the band with an eye to emergency comms. Many in the XSH group have an aversion to QRSS which in any event is not really useful for passing emergency traffic. Of course as we get into Spring and Summer the noise is steadily rising, and 20 watts of c.w. will not reliably span a country the size of the U.S.. Our licensing process differs from the U.K. N.O.V. process, the experimental licenses are issued by a different branch of the FCC than issues amateur licenses. I have recently filed a new application, apart from WD2XSH for 200watts ERP from 505-515 kHz with an eye toward investigating new digital modes. I felt that 200 watts ERP would be a significant (10dB) step above the current XSH license, and would be about the limit that I would be willing to run. The experimental licensing process here is a slow one and it will take some time to bear fruit. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2 FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237133894613295379 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs259890hue; Tue, 22 May 2007 01:33:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.96.1 with SMTP id y1mr431220ugl.1179822821792; Tue, 22 May 2007 01:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j34si791471ugc.2007.05.22.01.33.38; Tue, 22 May 2007 01:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqPlG-0005pX-IJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:30:30 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqPlF-0005pO-W3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:30:30 +0100 Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.240]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqPlE-0007E1-Sl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:30:29 +0100 Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c36so457784ana for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 01:30:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=HWb0SvXOMSbdoD/Yg36BsLmDL3MmN1jqsLXvKD2lVliEJz4vGzOGlQI92G0gWDT/vUbcoApf483+h/CuZCCVBegb4RGjcR89zW2CNZbmvF6QuroFKnd/WwQiLT71Ykq0aDWcMAH8COfx7lG5z/Lo+d8rjAjIrmkgxROi8GaLIbo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=UuHVJSpHM17fdQNtwKOY+mSn1uZugM/VpWtHHjOr3+pUCpJEiZqHmav0EP4gyINAmAVHEqM3UnKVCgibbCP1G69xg1PQMYbN5C8zrA7q8s8bmo843n/HInHPqSIZRxHG0Q1mvu5co/uKBFLDr2nFWEEVJrfhcTXaoC6PxifcDfk= Received: by 10.100.11.7 with SMTP id 7mr3589203ank.1179822625334; Tue, 22 May 2007 01:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.107.11 with HTTP; Tue, 22 May 2007 01:30:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d2415e0705220130p23e7f24bvbf0cef6a1e0244f2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:30:25 +0100 From: "lawrence mayhead" To: rsgb MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_00_10=0.642,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz Distance Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_80896_32488640.1179822625284" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1836 ------=_Part_80896_32488640.1179822625284 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The problem with an erp limit as low as 0.1W is that there is no incentive to develop better antennas. We can easily develop enough power to drive even the most inefficient of antennas. Not like 136 where it needed 1000w to achieve 1W erp even with quite a large ant. so there was an incentive and a challenge to develop better antennas. Attenuation by trees/buildings etc can easily be compensated for by more power so long as we can measure erp accurately at a suitable distance and direction. I think this low power limit may lead to the demise of 500kHz at least among those of us whose interest is in design and development The only compensation is that this limit has created a level playing field on which everyone can play, but where is the challenge? I think that a far better rule would have been to limit the power to say 10W (if it needs to be this low, and I dont think it does , we are all responsible amateurs and should be trusted more ). Then we could work on our own designs , so that developments like Finbars spiral would have a purpose. It will be interesting to see how many are operating still in 9 months time, I think there is already a falling off in interest and activity. As far as Mals comments are concerned no doubt QRSS is not necessesary for UK and near European contacts, but it is essential if greater distance are to be covered so it should be encouraged not denigrated. 73 Laurie G3AQC ------=_Part_80896_32488640.1179822625284 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline The problem with an erp limit as low as 0.1W is that there is no incentive to develop better antennas.
We can easily develop enough power to drive even the most inefficient of antennas.
Not like 136 where it needed 1000w to achieve 1W erp even with quite a large ant. so there was
an incentive and a challenge to develop better antennas.
Attenuation by trees/buildings etc can easily be compensated for by more power so long as we
can measure erp accurately at a suitable distance and direction.
I think this low power limit may lead to the demise of 500kHz at least among those of us whose
interest is in design and development
The only compensation is that this limit has created a level playing field on which everyone can
play, but where is the challenge?
I think that a far better rule would have been to limit the power to say 10W (if it needs to be this low,
and I dont think it does , we are all responsible amateurs and should be trusted more ). Then we could
work on our own designs , so that developments like Finbars spiral would have a purpose.
It will be interesting to see how many are operating still in 9 months time, I think there is already
a falling off in interest and activity.
As far as Mals comments are concerned no doubt QRSS is not necessesary for UK and near
European contacts, but it is essential if greater distance are to be covered so it should be encouraged
not denigrated.
73 Laurie G3AQC
------=_Part_80896_32488640.1179822625284-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236733275165571065 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs116937hue; Fri, 18 May 2007 10:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.8 with SMTP id d8mr1190730ugm.1179507829505; Fri, 18 May 2007 10:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o1si1798315uge.2007.05.18.10.03.46; Fri, 18 May 2007 10:03:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hp5l8-0006Lj-58 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 17:56:54 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hp5l7-0006La-FW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 17:56:53 +0100 Received: from mx4.mun.ca ([134.153.232.56] helo=ella.ucs.mun.ca) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hp5l4-0003u8-CK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 17:56:53 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by ella.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l4IGuftM004593 for ; Fri, 18 May 2007 14:26:41 -0230 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id l4IGue5W003609 for ; Fri, 18 May 2007 14:26:40 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id l4IGueVw027819; Fri, 18 May 2007 14:26:40 -0230 (NDT) Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 14:26:40 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1254677609.20070518162014@gmx.de> Message-ID: References: <001801c7989b$54956c20$aa7ba8c0@ACER> <1254677609.20070518162014@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 134.153.232.56 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1838 Hello Hartmut and group, Thanks for the capture. Hoping for low QRN and good conditions VO1NA will be QRV at 10 WPM tonight and tomorrow morning. 73 Joe On Fri, 18 May 2007, Hartmut Wolff wrote: > Copied the DFCW120 00:00-00:40. CW was visible on a QRSS3 screen > 01:00-03:00, but nothing readable on a faster screen. > > Captures can be seen here: > > http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm > > > 73 > Hartmut > www.h-wolff.de > Locator: JO52hp > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236733275165571065 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs112499hue; Fri, 18 May 2007 07:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.30.3 with SMTP id h3mr1083657ugj.1179498692451; Fri, 18 May 2007 07:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o24si2408356ugd.2007.05.18.07.31.28; Fri, 18 May 2007 07:31:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hp3Jg-0005xM-1g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 15:20:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hp3Jf-0005xD-KL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 15:20:23 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hp3Je-0002s4-Gt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 15:20:23 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 18 May 2007 14:20:16 -0000 Received: from p54854491.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO HW1) [84.133.68.145] by mail.gmx.net (mp051) with SMTP; 18 May 2007 16:20:16 +0200 X-Authenticated: #38158605 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19VL0YVf2xVW6sMWqOKAe/waf/BYKa97N/KsWQsG2 X5nICT7LMVSyM8 Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 16:20:14 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1254677609.20070518162014@gmx.de> To: Joe Craig In-Reply-To: References: <001801c7989b$54956c20$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1839 > Starting 0001 18 May DFCW120 137.777 kHz. > Reports most welcomed. > 73 > Joe Copied the DFCW120 00:00-00:40. CW was visible on a QRSS3 screen 01:00-03:00, but nothing readable on a faster screen. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm 73 Hartmut www.h-wolff.de Locator: JO52hp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236733275165571065 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs92306hue; Thu, 17 May 2007 15:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.224.3 with SMTP id w3mr585706ugg.1179440760790; Thu, 17 May 2007 15:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id e33si1187556ugd.2007.05.17.15.25.58; Thu, 17 May 2007 15:26:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HooLK-00041M-S4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 23:21:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HooLK-00041D-52 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 23:21:06 +0100 Received: from mx5.mun.ca ([134.153.232.57] helo=fitzgerald.ucs.mun.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HooLJ-0000Wl-0P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 23:21:05 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by fitzgerald.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l4HMKvD5013530 for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 19:50:57 -0230 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id l4HMKv5W018678 for ; Thu, 17 May 2007 19:50:57 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id l4HMKvHZ011851; Thu, 17 May 2007 19:50:57 -0230 (NDT) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 19:50:56 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001801c7989b$54956c20$aa7ba8c0@ACER> Message-ID: References: <001801c7989b$54956c20$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 134.153.232.57 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.538 Subject: LF: VO1NA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1840 Starting 0001 18 May DFCW120 137.777 kHz. Reports most welcomed. 73 Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235778643069680522 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs162637hue; Mon, 7 May 2007 02:32:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.101.19 with SMTP id y19mr1760807agb.1178530352821; Mon, 07 May 2007 02:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 20si6623387agd.2007.05.07.02.32.30; Mon, 07 May 2007 02:32:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HkzVz-0000I7-LK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 May 2007 10:28:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HkzVz-0000Hw-3V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 May 2007 10:28:19 +0100 Received: from smtpout0190.sc1.he.tucows.com ([64.97.136.190] helo=n066.sc1.he.tucows.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HkzVx-0003De-Pt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 May 2007 10:28:19 +0100 Received: from g3kev (62.252.228.63) by n066.sc1.he.tucows.com (7.2.069.1) id 4630CEE100046B8D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 7 May 2007 09:28:06 +0000 Message-ID: <002b01c7908a$06fcb5e0$3fe4fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: References: <20070506130953.EF06D406C@mta-fe.casema.nl> Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 09:27:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: PA0SE FS meter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C79089.F0D26CB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1844 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C79089.F0D26CB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Dick Rollema=20 To: LF-Group=20 Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2007 1:09 PM Subject: LF: PA0SE FS meter To All from PA0SE There seems to be some interest to modify my design for a portable = field strength meter for use on 500 kHz. The instrument is described in = G3LDO's boek The LF Experimenters Handbook. But the circuit diagram has = some errors. The description can also be found at = http://www.veron.nl/tech/lf/fsm/pa0se.htm. Better use that one. I used a ferrite rod antenna from a transistor radio with its LW coil. = I expect the coil is too large for tuning the antenna circuit to 500 = kHz. You could try a MW coil or a LW coil with turns removed. The article also describes how the instrument can be calibrated using = a pair of Helmholtz coils. The coils are fed from a signal generator in = series with a 50 ohms resistor. I found that my coils have an inductance = of 1.2 microhenry. At 500 kHz that gives a reactance of 2.7 ohms. This can be completely be neglected against the 50 ohm resistor that = is in series with the reactance.. So the current through the coils is the generator output, divided by = 50 ohms. Note: the two coils are in parallel so each of them carries = half the current. The article describes how to handle this. One has to be careful about what the meter on the signal generator = indicates. On some models the meter indicates the EMF. When loaded with = a resistor equal to the internal resistance of the generator the output = voltage is half the EMF. But on other generators the meter indicates the voltage at the = terminals (potential difference) when the generator is loaded with a = resistor equal to the internal resistance of the generator. This PD is = taken as half the EMF. A simpler way to measure field strength is to use a single turn = untuned loop, connected to a calibrated selective voltmeter. I did it = that myself on 136 kHz after I was presented a Wandel & Goltermann = SPM-12 selective level meter that can also be run off a car battery. In a earlier e-mail to the reflector I included the equation that = gives the relation between the field strength and the voltage induced in = the loop. But my provider or the one of the reflector did not accept it because = the message "scored 5.8 spam points" as the Mail Administrated said. I had not realised I had used dirty words. Try again and leave certain words out hi If you have a receiver that covers 500 kHz, has an S-meter and can be = run off batteries you could use that with the single turn loop. But the S-meter must be calibrated first using a signal generator. 73, Dick, PA0SE=20 Hi Dick This is the method that I use, the tricky part is getting the loop = antenna calibrated accurately, more complicated than you think, for = absolute accuracy. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C79089.F0D26CB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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Subject: LF: PA0SE FS = meter

To All from PA0SE

There seems to be some interest to = modify my=20 design for a portable field strength meter for use on 500 kHz. = The=20 instrument is described in G3LDO's boek The LF Experimenters = Handbook.=20 But the circuit diagram has some errors.
The description can also = be found=20 at http://www.veron.nl/tech/lf/fsm/pa0se.htm. = Better use=20 that one.

I used a ferrite rod antenna from a transistor radio = with its=20 LW coil. I expect the coil is too large for tuning the antenna circuit = to 500=20 kHz.
You could try a MW coil or a LW coil with turns = removed.

The=20 article also describes how the instrument can be calibrated using a = pair of=20 Helmholtz coils. The coils are fed from a signal generator in = series=20 with a 50 ohms resistor. I found that my coils have an inductance of = 1.2=20 microhenry. At 500 kHz that gives a reactance of 2.7 = ohms.
This can=20 be completely be neglected against the 50 ohm resistor that is = in series=20 with the reactance..
So the current through the coils is the = generator=20 output, divided by 50 ohms. Note: the two coils are in parallel so = each of=20 them carries half the current. The article describes how to = handle=20 this.

One has to be careful about what the meter on the signal=20 generator indicates. On some models the meter indicates the EMF. When = loaded=20 with a resistor equal to the internal resistance of the generator the = output=20 voltage is half the EMF.
But on other generators the meter = indicates the=20 voltage at the terminals (potential difference) when the = generator is=20 loaded with a resistor equal to the internal resistance of the=20 generator. This PD is taken as half the EMF.

A simpler = way to=20 measure field strength is to use a single turn untuned loop, connected = to a=20 calibrated selective voltmeter. I did it that myself on 136 kHz after = I was=20 presented a Wandel & Goltermann SPM-12 selective level meter that = can also=20 be run off a car battery.
In a earlier e-mail to the reflector = I =20 included the equation that gives the relation between the field = strength and=20 the voltage induced in the loop.
But my provider or the one of the=20 reflector did not accept it because the message "scored 5.8 spam = points"=20 as the Mail Administrated said.
I had not realised I had used dirty = words.

Try again and leave certain words out hi

If you have a = receiver=20 that covers 500 kHz, has an S-meter and can be run off batteries you = could use=20 that with the single turn loop.
But the S-meter must be calibrated = first=20 using a signal generator.

73, Dick, PA0SE

Hi Dick

This is the method that I use, the tricky part is getting the = loop=20 antenna calibrated accurately, more complicated than you think, for = absolute=20 accuracy.

------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C79089.F0D26CB0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236513480592204236 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs6772hue; Tue, 15 May 2007 07:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.27.15 with SMTP id e15mr6021222ugj.1179240717186; Tue, 15 May 2007 07:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 50si13055138ugb.2007.05.15.07.51.54; Tue, 15 May 2007 07:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HnyGj-00042U-HS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 15:44:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HnyGj-00042L-3B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 15:44:53 +0100 Received: from fmmailgate02.web.de ([217.72.192.227]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnyGh-00015E-UZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 15:44:53 +0100 Received: from smtp08.web.de (fmsmtp08.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.5.216]) by fmmailgate02.web.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71EE17D9D0DB; Tue, 15 May 2007 16:41:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [217.227.119.15] (helo=[192.168.1.100]) by smtp08.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.108 #197) id 1HnyDL-0002W0-00; Tue, 15 May 2007 16:41:23 +0200 Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 16:41:21 +0200 From: Michael Oexner X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.12.00) Personal X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1384128705.20070515164121@web.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: michael.oexner@web.de X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+Q9t/CHXnH5n1wpgoAxQBVqTSKw5TkLZoJvTKx 2q0GVT0faicOFqXl73l69/t7Do4PBIlz6PK1ngs7EE41osZfuH p9WBkz/WAMSmZBy5cgCQ== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Status Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1846 Hi Laurence, > A NDB signal on 507 Khz ("DD") that was below noise is now 17dB > above.... This should be "D" on 507 kHz from Hangzhou/Xiaoshan N30 14 24 E120 27 36. -- vy 73 + gd DX, Michael Editor of "The European NDB Handbook" & "The North American NDB Handbook" cf. http://www.beaconworld.org.uk/files/NDBpublications2007.pdf and http://lwca.org/miscdocs/NDBpublications2007.pdf From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236513480592204236 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs1648hue; Tue, 15 May 2007 05:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.19.17 with SMTP id w17mr5959397ugi.1179231148246; Tue, 15 May 2007 05:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si15681744ugf.2007.05.15.05.12.25; Tue, 15 May 2007 05:12:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hnvqr-0002lf-8h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 13:10:01 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hnvqq-0002lW-RE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 13:10:00 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.91]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hnvqp-0003p4-Hx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 13:10:00 +0100 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.11.246]) by bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 15 May 2007 05:09:52 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 15 May 2007 05:09:53 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 207.46.11.254 by by124fd.bay124.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2007 12:09:48 GMT X-Originating-IP: [220.196.31.130] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Bcc: Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 04:09:48 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 May 2007 12:09:53.0117 (UTC) FILETIME=[F1C5D8D0:01C796E9] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: LF: Status Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1847 We finally moved out of the Shanghai apartment and now holed up on a 19 out of 20 storey hotel a couple of miles from the old place in South Shanghai - I have a window and slung the probe on a 12 metre (max) long fiishing pole I bought today. The new pole is super quality and reduces down so I can put it in a standard suitcase.. Ive earthed the coax to the window frame (nice clip on the window closer) and pushed out the probe a few metres and keeping the window ajar with a sports sock. I have one carrier which appears to be an image/artifact on 135Khz which I cant clear out but it maybe local and non receiver generated - adding attenuation doesnt knock it down "un-linearly" so perhaps its really there. Its absolutely amzing to hear LF from up here - a completely new world from down the roadwith oodles of NDB's and LW bcast station peaking -55dBm just at dusk (153Khz). The limiting factor is the qrn and not the room qrm which is non existant given what appears to be another excellent faraday cage. A NDB signal on 507 Khz ("DD") that was below noise is now 17dB above.... Ill be looking at 137KHz and 500 KHz tonight and probably leave the RX on the 505 watering hole- Ill be here till the 18th before flying to 9V1. Lots of fsk/dgps on 490Khz - strong too Laurence KL1X/Bee Y fore _________________________________________________________________ PC Magazine�s 2007 editors� choice for best Web mail�award-winning Windows Live Hotmail. http://imagine-windowslive.com/hotmail/?locale=en-us&ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_mini_pcmag_0507 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236260203191851122 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs172115hue; Sat, 12 May 2007 10:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.242.5 with SMTP id p5mr3764849ugh.1178989605060; Sat, 12 May 2007 10:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 28si8200817ugc.2007.05.12.10.06.42; Sat, 12 May 2007 10:06:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HmuxW-00025C-NO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 18:00:42 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HmuxV-000253-7g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 18:00:41 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.62]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HmuxU-00057m-9F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 18:00:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 39232 invoked from network); 12 May 2007 17:00:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Importance; b=UDhheBzM+/hq2uWC1jRqsCOpEpGY5Ykafe/mxrsJcgwyJNex6kHFjcgw16Y76zuYLG8zfbnKU7uIg8pQ8ZSgkywCh/OP6uy1HTGnKxTW90ztvtWG24D6CYBaWT5k5TZqsObIAR9LVFWscXVysqplcRzMKONiah4wCMBK/cLiXxE= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.141.120.19 with login) by smtp802.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2007 17:00:33 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kbtXR70VM1npAR2.oFUXGo4RFMW49X98FG6t3mFZE05a7uqwM3keSz4cjkgZThCKrhNxfa6z0w-- From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 18:01:00 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: RE: [500] G3WCB QRV 503.330 kHz...Thanks Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C794BF.7FA4CE40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.7 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1848 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C794BF.7FA4CE40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Many thanks to Peter, Hartmut, Henny, Victor, Dave YMC and the other stations that sent in reports, and thanks also to Dave G3YXM and Ko for running their 500 kHz grabbers. It was interesting to watch the signal from Gary G4WGT and myself fade in and out on Ko's grabber. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of ColePe@aol.com Sent: 11 May 2007 23:30 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: [500] G3WCB QRV 503.330 kHz...QRSS3... In a message dated 11/05/2007 19:28:32 Greenwich Standard Time, ganymede444@btopenworld.com writes: Dear LF G3WCB is in beacon mode QRSS3 with 5 WPM CW I/D on 503.330 kHz 1920 utc until 2300 utc tonight. RF into the antenna is 20W. Antenna current 0,24A, and ERP about 50mW. WX rain. Sorry I couldn't get any closer to G4WGT...my crystal won't go any higher! Once again, reports are most welcome. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM Dave, your signal is peaking now about 10 dB above local noise and giving clear signal on the waterfall. 30-45 mins ago it was barely visible with deep fading into the noise. 73 Peter, G3JFS Plymouth, IO70WJ ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C794BF.7FA4CE40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Many thanks to Peter, Hartmut, = Henny,=20 Victor, Dave YMC and the other stations that sent in reports, and = thanks=20 also to Dave G3YXM and Ko for running their 500 kHz grabbers. It was = interesting=20 to watch the signal from Gary G4WGT and myself fade in and out on = Ko's=20 grabber.

73, Dave G3WCB = IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 ColePe@aol.com
Sent: 11 May 2007 23:30
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: [500] G3WCB = QRV=20 503.330 kHz...QRSS3...

In a message dated 11/05/2007 19:28:32 Greenwich Standard Time,=20 ganymede444@btopenworld.com writes:
Dear = LF

G3WCB is in=20 beacon mode QRSS3 with 5 WPM CW I/D on 503.330 kHz 1920 utc
until = 2300=20 utc tonight.

RF into the antenna is 20W. Antenna current = 0,24A, and=20 ERP about 50mW. WX
rain.

Sorry I couldn't get any closer = to=20 G4WGT...my crystal won't go any higher!

Once again, reports = are most=20 welcome.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

Dave,

your signal is peaking now about 10 dB above local noise and = giving=20 clear signal on the waterfall. 30-45 mins ago it was barely visible = with deep=20 fading into the noise.

73 Peter, G3JFS

Plymouth, IO70WJ

------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C794BF.7FA4CE40-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235223293240507897 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.35.22.5 with SMTP id z5cs419263pyi; Tue, 1 May 2007 03:17:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.248.13 with SMTP id v13mr216216ugh.1178014629823; Tue, 01 May 2007 03:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id h1si407676ugf.2007.05.01.03.17.07; Tue, 01 May 2007 03:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HipIb-0006gQ-Dn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 May 2007 11:09:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HipIZ-0006gH-GL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 May 2007 11:09:31 +0100 Received: from mx4.mun.ca ([134.153.232.56] helo=ella.ucs.mun.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HipIV-0008Aj-Dh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 May 2007 11:09:28 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by ella.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l41A9Jcn005360 for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 07:39:19 -0230 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id l41A9J5W018535 for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 07:39:19 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id l41A9IOR017743; Tue, 1 May 2007 07:39:18 -0230 (NDT) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 07:39:18 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4636DC1A.4090208@online.fr> Message-ID: References: <4636DC1A.4090208@online.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 134.153.232.56 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.607 Subject: Re: LF: T/A [137] last night : VO1NA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1853 Hi Jean-Pierre, A good copy indeed. Thank-you for monitoring. 73 Joe On Tue, 1 May 2007, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote: > > Last night very good copy of : > > VO1NA 23:50 > 01:15 > > the files of night are filed each day at : > http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/ > > 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235223293240507897 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.35.22.5 with SMTP id z5cs416190pyi; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.32.19 with SMTP id k19mr91170ugj.1178000730019; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 54si221554ugp.2007.04.30.23.25.20; Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hilid-0006NR-UM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; 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format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=BLANK_LINES_80_90, PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1854 Last night very good copy of : VO1NA 23:50 > 01:15 the files of night are filed each day at : http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/ 73 Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236862689274649229 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs133710hue; Sat, 19 May 2007 01:49:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.8 with SMTP id d8mr1709331ugm.1179564543922; Sat, 19 May 2007 01:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id y1si2546105uge.2007.05.19.01.49.00; Sat, 19 May 2007 01:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpKZa-0000mp-CL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 09:45:58 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpKZZ-0000mg-R5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 09:45:57 +0100 Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com ([66.249.82.226]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpKZY-0008TH-Pb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 09:45:57 +0100 Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id t12so1098447wxc for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 01:45:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=DLoAr9jmnibziI/i42R2NdA79IFLljl1ZRi/ekdFugOCeD5pS6A29LplvzwVZITfrRlqkxpgVlwEkXGD8u+uRFpNu0bpSFVfR6rPQbn/oi3uXLgrj9iPGfedGT5XJHzaPjuBRjS8w4sNpPToqqwAaswSUSFBquYq6WfpEgKj0X0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=D11aWvTdISLnVvfB4g9/k1jmztM3BX8WLNAIJnQ8ul14uzzNtaAx3d1ZhMPmd4ZkWeK5MePwm2ZzndracZEz7u0oEPEhirbCXJrgBxeNagqMyr3jsM8B6R9Voz4/rh32eEyItd3bnLxzwHt6qaZQvXB/tZSAqmjQxfMAew2rXx4= Received: by 10.90.53.16 with SMTP id b16mr2579833aga.1179564355615; Sat, 19 May 2007 01:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.50.7 with HTTP; Sat, 19 May 2007 01:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 09:45:55 +0100 From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <005101c799f0$c5e68c50$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <464C8AC5.5090200@usa.net> <005101c799f0$c5e68c50$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: Rugby - Anthorn Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_66077_32012906.1179564355575" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1858 ------=_Part_66077_32012906.1179564355575 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline All my MSF clocks and a watch work OK - including a superannuated Junghans one, and several of recent design. Perhaps you have some local QRM, John. Andy G4JNT On 19/05/07, John W Gould wrote: > > I didn't take much interest in this thread until I realised that my MSF > clock was free-wheeling. I've had to find a new position and orientation > for it in order for it to lock onto the Anthorn signal. This seems to be > rather difficult and intermittent. So much for the claim of a good > coverage > across the UK. > > My QTH is about 30 miles south of Rugby (so no trouble there) but I guess > 180 - 200 miles from Anthorn. I can see a "dissaffected from Newport > Pagnell" letter being drafted before too long to the operator. > > 73 John, G3WKL > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Alberto di Bene > Sent: 17 May 2007 18:03 > To: LF Mailing List > Cc: Alan Melia > Subject: LF: Re: Rugby - Anthorn > > > Hi Alan, > > I have measured the response of the S-meter of my R-75 at 60 kHz, using a > W&G level generator and a Hatfield > attenuator I had bought on eBay some time ago. > > At 60 kHz, you need a signal of -67 dBm to have an indication of S9 on the > receiver. To bring it down to S3, I had to > insert using the Hatfield attenuator 17 dB of attenuation. So much for the > linearity of S-meters... > > So, for what this test is worth, apparently at my location Anthorn seems > to > be about 17 dB weaker than Rugby. The test > is not much scientific, as I didn't take note in the past of the time of > the > day when I took the S9 reading, nor of its > repeatability, but as a ballpark indication maybe it can say something. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > > > ------=_Part_66077_32012906.1179564355575 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

All my MSF clocks and a watch work OK - including a superannuated Junghans one, and several of recent design. Perhaps you have some local QRM, John.

Andy G4JNT

On 19/05/07, John W Gould <jwgould@iee.org.uk> wrote:

I didn't take much interest in this thread until I realised that my MSF
clock was free-wheeling.  I've had to find a new position and orientation
for it in order for it to lock onto the Anthorn signal.  This seems to be
rather difficult and intermittent.  So much for the claim of a good coverage
across the UK.

My QTH is about 30 miles south of Rugby (so no trouble there) but I guess
180 - 200 miles from Anthorn.  I can see a "dissaffected from Newport
Pagnell" letter being drafted before too long to the operator.

73 John, G3WKL

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Alberto di Bene
Sent: 17 May 2007 18:03
To: LF Mailing List
Cc: Alan Melia
Subject: LF: Re: Rugby - Anthorn

Hi Alan,

I have measured the response of the S-meter of my R-75 at 60 kHz, using a
W&G level generator and a Hatfield
attenuator I had bought on eBay some time ago.

At 60 kHz, you need a signal of -67 dBm to have an indication of S9 on the
receiver. To bring it down to S3, I had to
insert using the Hatfield attenuator 17 dB of attenuation. So much for the
linearity of S-meters...

So, for what this test is worth, apparently at my location Anthorn seems to
be about 17 dB weaker than Rugby. The test
is not much scientific, as I didn't take note in the past of the time of the
day when I took the S9 reading, nor of its
repeatability, but as a ballpark indication maybe it can say something.

73  Alberto  I2PHD

------=_Part_66077_32012906.1179564355575-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236862689274649229 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs133607hue; Sat, 19 May 2007 01:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.22.14 with SMTP id z14mr1693341ugi.1179564179932; Sat, 19 May 2007 01:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id l40si2528791ugc.2007.05.19.01.42.57; Sat, 19 May 2007 01:42:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpKPa-0000h8-8g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 09:35:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpKPZ-0000gz-Np for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 09:35:37 +0100 Received: from rutherford.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.142]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpKPZ-0001zZ-3p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 09:35:37 +0100 Received: from [82.68.18.174] (helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by rutherford.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1HpKPY-000806-1E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 08:35:36 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 09:36:12 +0100 Message-ID: <005101c799f0$c5e68c50$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 In-Reply-To: <464C8AC5.5090200@usa.net> Importance: Normal X-Originating-Rutherford-IP: [82.68.18.174] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: RE: Re: Rugby - Anthorn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1859 I didn't take much interest in this thread until I realised that my MSF clock was free-wheeling. I've had to find a new position and = orientation for it in order for it to lock onto the Anthorn signal. This seems to = be rather difficult and intermittent. So much for the claim of a good = coverage across the UK. =20 My QTH is about 30 miles south of Rugby (so no trouble there) but I = guess 180 - 200 miles from Anthorn. I can see a "dissaffected from Newport Pagnell" letter being drafted before too long to the operator. 73 John, G3WKL -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Alberto di Bene Sent: 17 May 2007 18:03 To: LF Mailing List Cc: Alan Melia Subject: LF: Re: Rugby - Anthorn Hi Alan, I have measured the response of the S-meter of my R-75 at 60 kHz, = using a W&G level generator and a Hatfield=20 attenuator I had bought on eBay some time ago. At 60 kHz, you need a signal of -67 dBm to have an indication of S9 on = the receiver. To bring it down to S3, I had to=20 insert using the Hatfield attenuator 17 dB of attenuation. So much for = the linearity of S-meters... So, for what this test is worth, apparently at my location Anthorn seems = to be about 17 dB weaker than Rugby. The test=20 is not much scientific, as I didn't take note in the past of the time of = the day when I took the S9 reading, nor of its=20 repeatability, but as a ballpark indication maybe it can say something. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236371748710129320 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs263618hue; Tue, 15 May 2007 03:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.24.18 with SMTP id b18mr5894909ugj.1179226336135; Tue, 15 May 2007 03:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 34si12758477uga.2007.05.15.03.52.13; Tue, 15 May 2007 03:52:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HnubE-0002Iu-6s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:49:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HnubD-0002Il-Rd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:49:47 +0100 Received: from mx4.mun.ca ([134.153.232.56] helo=ella.ucs.mun.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnubC-0007WO-Uz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:49:47 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by ella.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l4FAnd9K025888 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 08:19:39 -0230 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id l4FAnc5W010999 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 08:19:38 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id l4FAncIh031426; Tue, 15 May 2007 08:19:38 -0230 (NDT) Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 08:19:37 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4648DB25.6010907@usa.net> Message-ID: References: <1751305265.20070512104213@gmx.de> <001f01c79479$76cabbe0$0300a8c0@lark> <4648DB25.6010907@usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 134.153.232.56 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 5 WPM Again... Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1863 Thank-you Alberto and Alan for your helpful suggestions on FS measurement. It appears as I'm getting consistent results within 0.5 dB on a relative scale at least. 73 Joe VO1NA On Mon, 14 May 2007, Alberto di Bene wrote: > Joe Craig wrote: > > > > I suspect that ARGO may reference its readings against the background > > noise and not be absolute. Running 1000 watts (4.5 amps) to 100m of > > wire up 10 m showed a 3 dB advantage over the previous system: 100 watts > > to a sloping 100m wire with the far end up 25 metres. > > > > The dBs reported by Argo are relative to the full scale of the ADC converter of the sound card, 0 dB being its > saturation level, and so on. Of course that reading is influenced by the position of the level slider in the mixer panel > of Windows, and by the setting of the volume knob of the radio... > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236371748710129320 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs245312hue; Mon, 14 May 2007 14:59:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.29.7 with SMTP id g7mr3824045ugj.1179179957729; Mon, 14 May 2007 14:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 20si11880984uga.2007.05.14.14.59.15; Mon, 14 May 2007 14:59:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HniXT-0006uV-LI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 22:57:07 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HniXT-0006uM-4b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 22:57:07 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HniXS-0008DX-4O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 22:57:07 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (cmsout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.32]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AB405CBB for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 21:56:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.34P) with ESMTP id XID650LeNV5z8536X02; Mon, 14 May 2007 21:56:51 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID650LeNV5z8536X02 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.76.209.169] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.31J) with ESMTP id 532LeNV5W0352M38; Mon, 14 May 2007 21:56:48 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.76.209.169 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <4648DB25.6010907@usa.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 23:56:53 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1751305265.20070512104213@gmx.de> <001f01c79479$76cabbe0$0300a8c0@lark> In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.3.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID532LeNV5x0352X38 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 5 WPM Again... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1864 Joe Craig wrote: > > I suspect that ARGO may reference its readings against the background > noise and not be absolute. Running 1000 watts (4.5 amps) to 100m of > wire up 10 m showed a 3 dB advantage over the previous system: 100 watts > to a sloping 100m wire with the far end up 25 metres. > The dBs reported by Argo are relative to the full scale of the ADC converter of the sound card, 0 dB being its saturation level, and so on. Of course that reading is influenced by the position of the level slider in the mixer panel of Windows, and by the setting of the volume knob of the radio... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236371748710129320 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs218526hue; Sun, 13 May 2007 23:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.115.11 with SMTP id s11mr4757221ugm.1179122694070; Sun, 13 May 2007 23:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 39si10616017ugb.2007.05.13.23.04.51; Sun, 13 May 2007 23:04:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HnTdb-0003p8-3n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 07:02:27 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HnTda-0003oz-JP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 07:02:26 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnTdZ-0003N0-J8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 07:02:26 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 May 2007 06:02:20 -0000 Received: from p54866fba.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.103.48]) [84.134.111.186] by mail.gmx.net (mp029) with SMTP; 14 May 2007 08:02:20 +0200 X-Authenticated: #38158605 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19I5JtMOztI+NaXQcJEZHtpVAIVupUyf3bVcSBcG0 V/XPqYYqJ81lOh Message-ID: <4647FB61.2040909@gmx.de> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 08:02:09 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1751305265.20070512104213@gmx.de> <001f01c79479$76cabbe0$0300a8c0@lark> In-Reply-To: X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 5 WPM Again... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1865 Joe Craig schrieb: > Dear Group, > > Because Hartmut was able to copy the 6-2/3 WPM CW and Alan > appears optimistic, VO1NA will be on tonight at 10 WPM > 0001 -1000 UTC 14 May. Sorry, no listening last night. T-storms in this area. Probably off the next 2 nights, because the weather forecast predict more T-storms. 73 Hartmut www.h-wolff.de Locator: JO52hp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236371748710129320 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs205623hue; Sun, 13 May 2007 15:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.32.19 with SMTP id k19mr4710564ugj.1179095982600; Sun, 13 May 2007 15:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id e33si12612049ugd.2007.05.13.15.39.39; Sun, 13 May 2007 15:39:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HnMgN-000370-HV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 23:36:51 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HnMgM-00036r-RM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 23:36:50 +0100 Received: from mx5.mun.ca ([134.153.232.57] helo=fitzgerald.ucs.mun.ca) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnMgJ-0001rK-Ub for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 23:36:50 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by fitzgerald.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l4DMae0Q028778 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 20:06:41 -0230 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id l4DMae5W017934 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 20:06:40 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id l4DMad2r012256; Sun, 13 May 2007 20:06:39 -0230 (NDT) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 20:06:39 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001f01c79479$76cabbe0$0300a8c0@lark> Message-ID: References: <1751305265.20070512104213@gmx.de> <001f01c79479$76cabbe0$0300a8c0@lark> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 134.153.232.57 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 5 WPM Again... Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1866 Dear Group, Because Hartmut was able to copy the 6-2/3 WPM CW and Alan appears optimistic, VO1NA will be on tonight at 10 WPM 0001 -1000 UTC 14 May. I was out making FS measurements today and seek a critique on my method which is as follows. A ferrite wound with ~100 turns (0.57 mH) (1.5 cm diam , 8 cm long) is resonated with a varicap and inductively coupled (2 turns) to a 1m length of coax. This is attached to a stick which is deployed out the car window and rotated so as to give the maximum signal at about 3 km from the TX. An attenuator is (-10 dB) inserted in the coax from the ferrite antenna and the Burhans preamp (30 dB) which is connected to an FT-817 with IPO on, RF gain set to max, mode CW, 500 Hz filter in, and tuned to 137.77kHz. Without the attenuator, there are problems with the 817 AGC. The 600 ohm line output of the FT817 is fed to a 10 dB attenuator and then to a 600:600 ohm xfmr and then to a soundcard of a laptop running I2PHD ARGO (QRSSC 3, normal speed). The antenna is rotated until consistent dB readings are displayed on ARGO. A beacon sends a 5 second carrier and ID. The car and antenna location are kept constant between measurements. I suspect that ARGO may reference its readings against the background noise and not be absolute. Running 1000 watts (4.5 amps) to 100m of wire up 10 m showed a 3 dB advantage over the previous system: 100 watts to a sloping 100m wire with the far end up 25 metres. Thanks and 73 Joe VO1NA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236540209204470904 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs15453hue; Tue, 15 May 2007 12:17:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.115.7 with SMTP id s7mr2854139ugm.1179256638971; Tue, 15 May 2007 12:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q1si7913214uge.2007.05.15.12.17.16; Tue, 15 May 2007 12:17:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ho2TS-0005Co-PT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 20:14:18 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ho2TS-0005Cf-CJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 20:14:18 +0100 Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ho2TR-000667-Hv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 20:14:18 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAJOjSUbUSnIMk2dsb2JhbACIKYJchHoCAQEHBggMHw Received: from [88.106.51.22] (port=3642 helo=wgt01) by mk-relay-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1Ho2Si-000H3i-2n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 20:13:32 +0100 Message-ID: <00be01c79725$20bed570$16336a58@wgt01> From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: <009b01c7971e$660a69c0$16336a58@wgt01> Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 20:13:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: QRSS.EXE Stop Text CW ID Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1870 Hi All, I have now found that this problem only occurs when the QSK option is set. I will e-mail Rik with the details. 73 Gary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF (Rsgb LF Group)" Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2007 7:25 PM Subject: LF: QRSS.EXE Stop Text CW ID > Hi All, > > I have a little problem withh QRSS.EXE that perhaps one of you can answer. > > I can set up a QRSS transmission with Start Text CW ID & that works ok but > when I use Stop Text CW ID the Tx goes "key up" at the end of QRSS & the > Stop ID is not transmitted (ie. QRSS.EXE sends the Stop CW ID but > transmitter is un-keyed). > > Because of this I have always used Start CW ID but now I want to use Stop > CW ID. > > Any clues ? > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ > Web site updated 07/05/2007 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236902410567527297 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs174082hue; Sat, 19 May 2007 12:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.25.9 with SMTP id c9mr2057712ugj.1179602061081; Sat, 19 May 2007 12:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id y7si4567179ugc.2007.05.19.12.14.18; Sat, 19 May 2007 12:14:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpUKr-0003D5-NO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 20:11:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpUKr-0003Cw-6X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 20:11:25 +0100 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpUKq-00007j-49 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 20:11:25 +0100 Received: from ACER (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0JIA001E0YMTTK@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 21:11:18 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 21:11:18 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <001701c79a49$7b0454c0$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.088,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): lgus1905.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_+bMyEmMXdwXYQMiwra2hqw)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1875 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_+bMyEmMXdwXYQMiwra2hqw) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_4zDHsBDLf5lnfLHMexmnxg)" --Boundary_(ID_4zDHsBDLf5lnfLHMexmnxg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT signal is going up and down gus capture19:10 utc henny pa3cpm best 73. --Boundary_(ID_4zDHsBDLf5lnfLHMexmnxg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

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(ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.134.201.221 with login) by smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2007 21:51:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: N3TXRy4VM1mj.LL9HQHnHgzQ6wvDz7pDXJZD129XjlFZ7PDxapMtzsXJaBI9ZfFFW5ZALOwbCg-- From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 22:51:50 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <000001c79994$d37d9220$0600a8c0@rtv5f9d8dfdf44> Importance: Normal DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: [500] _G3XAQ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C7999F.1EFEE6E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1887 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C7999F.1EFEE6E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Bob. I can put out a QRSS 3 beacon transmission on 503.330 kHz if you wish. Gary G4WGT is also currently on QRSS 3 Beacon mode on 503.60 kHz, "O" copy at this location 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom�r Bobal�k Sent: 18 May 2007 22:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: [500] _G3XAQ Sri, but no signal on 502kHz here. I am going to continue listening, may be I can capture some cw later. Bob, OK2BVG ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C7999F.1EFEE6E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,=20 Bob.

I can=20 put out a QRSS 3 beacon transmission on 503.330 kHz if you wish. Gary = G4WGT is=20 also currently on QRSS 3 Beacon mode on 503.60 kHz, "O" copy at this=20 location

73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of = Lubom=EDr=20 Bobal=EDk
Sent: 18 May 2007 22:38
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: [500]=20 _G3XAQ

Sri, but no signal on = 502kHz here.=20 I am going to continue listening, may be I can capture some cw=20 later.

Bob,=20 OK2BVG

------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C7999F.1EFEE6E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236268873941235905 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs179200hue; Sat, 12 May 2007 15:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.40.12 with SMTP id s12mr3744505ugj.1179010630041; Sat, 12 May 2007 15:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id m4si8658580ugc.2007.05.12.15.57.05; Sat, 12 May 2007 15:57:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hn0UY-0004yF-Bm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 23:55:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hn0UX-0004y6-TG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 23:55:09 +0100 Received: from mxoutlb01.versatel.de ([89.246.255.231]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hn0UV-0000Bz-SX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 23:55:09 +0100 Received: from mx03.versatel.de (mx01.versatel.de [212.7.146.1]) by mxoutlb01.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l4CMt2a5004881 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 00:55:02 +0200 Received: from localhost ([62.214.100.62]) by mx03.versatel.de (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l4CMt2ZS015883 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 00:55:02 +0200 Received: from i577a98ee.versanet.de (i577a98ee.versanet.de [87.122.152.238]) by webmail.versatel.de (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 13 May 2007 00:55:02 +0200 Message-ID: <20070513005502.t6d28ue82uecw8ks@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 00:55:02 +0200 From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.750,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: DI2BE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.3 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1890 Zitat von Dave G3WCB : > Dear LF, Uwe, > > DI2BE and traces of another station received here tonight at around 22:12 > UTC. Screenshot attached. SM6BHZ and DI2AG strong also. > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > Hi Dave, thanks. io91rm to jo43sv = 728km. record up to now. 73 Uwe/dj8wx/di2be From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236268873941235905 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs178969hue; Sat, 12 May 2007 15:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.98.4 with SMTP id a4mr3949257ugm.1179009837168; Sat, 12 May 2007 15:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j1si10554170ugf.2007.05.12.15.43.54; Sat, 12 May 2007 15:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hn0HS-0004iZ-Pg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 23:41:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hn0HS-0004iQ-6H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 23:41:38 +0100 Received: from smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.68]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hn0HQ-00009M-S5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 23:41:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 74405 invoked from network); 12 May 2007 22:41:31 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE:Importance; b=ujLL8UzAWSXrec3nNyqU6MifkrvDnkbeyMjLTFqaK/Ci9xtSz822itJ7cq0wZzAGrLNNoEnMIJ3X/mEuKTOxib98sZFfJCZhKanPZpv2yLLBoMXaAu4L+MSQpj3l0JFDujf2VlR1RuNHmrNVPDmcMzOYhLtk621VWXK5UMnkn9s= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.141.120.19 with login) by smtp808.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2007 22:41:30 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: Ao9B7UkVM1nvGCjaN7lTu7FjFkQm2jpQzddTMX47J9xakTa_ From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 23:41:59 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <20070513001710.0br3pfm4gtcg84ow@webmail.versatel.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.199 Subject: LF: DI2BE Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0027_01C794EF.21E50420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1891 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0027_01C794EF.21E50420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear LF, Uwe, DI2BE and traces of another station received here tonight at around 22:12 UTC. Screenshot attached. SM6BHZ and DI2AG strong also. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of uwe-jannsen@versanet.de Sent: 12 May 2007 23:17 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: DI2BE Zitat von Victor van Kooten : > Congrats Uwe,nice signal, > > 73 > Victor > PA3FNY Thanks, Victor. 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10:44:41 +0200 To: LF-Group From: Dick Rollema Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20070510084426.7FB934371@mta-fe.casema.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at casema.nl X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500 kHz license refused in the Netherlands Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1920 To All from PA0SE, Our radio agency just has informed me that my application for permission to use the 500 kHz band has been refused. The arguments are: 1. The band has not internationally been allocated as an amateurband and also not in The Netherlands 2. The band is still being used for emergency, urgent and safety traffic. It has therefore been decided that for the time being the band will not be available for experiments by amateurs. A disappointing decision, but I had more or less expected this knowing how our agency operates. 73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236981724619975956 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs198025hue; Sun, 20 May 2007 09:15:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.252.18 with SMTP id z18mr2743719ugh.1179677700801; Sun, 20 May 2007 09:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id l40si4104639ugc.2007.05.20.09.14.58; Sun, 20 May 2007 09:15:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpnyO-0006mx-Hw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 17:09:32 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpnyN-0006mo-U4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 17:09:31 +0100 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net ([165.212.64.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpnyM-0004JA-Gn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 17:09:31 +0100 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net (cmsout03.mbox.net [165.212.64.33]) by cmsout03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C24B5B73 for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 16:09:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout03.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.34P) with ESMTP id XID296LeTqJJ3040X03; Sun, 20 May 2007 16:09:09 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID296LeTqJJ3040X03 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.76.221.7] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.31J) with ESMTP id 769LeTqJH0501M36; Sun, 20 May 2007 16:09:07 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.76.221.7 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <465072A3.4010901@usa.net> Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 18:09:07 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004e01c79610$0592d320$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <4648D997.4050707@usa.net> <004301c797c9$f26e8b20$0300a8c0@lark> <464C8AC5.5090200@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <464C8AC5.5090200@usa.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.3.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID769LeTqJi0501X36 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Winrad and Windows 98 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1927 Many users have complained that Winrad V1.24 does not run under Windows 98, so they are forced to use V1.23 which has an expiration date set for May 31st, 2007 For those users I have prepared a special build of V1.23 with the expiration limit removed. Please note that this build can run only under Windows 98 and not XP. You can download it from the main Winrad Web page http://www.weaksignals.com or its mirror http://www.winrad.org Please report any problems, as I don't have anymore Windows 98 on my PC, and for this reason I have been unable to fully test this version. Thanks. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236280101202251457 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs178585hue; Sat, 12 May 2007 15:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.220.12 with SMTP id s12mr3939336ugg.1179008580398; Sat, 12 May 2007 15:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 20si8586579uga.2007.05.12.15.22.57; Sat, 12 May 2007 15:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HmzxL-0004Ik-Pz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 23:20:51 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HmzxL-0004Ia-Be for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 23:20:51 +0100 Received: from mail-in-08.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.48]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HmzxK-0006FV-D7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 23:20:51 +0100 Received: from mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-12-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.29]) by mail-in-08.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D85EE27AD10 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 00:20:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (mail-in-01.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.41]) by mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C6F2794C1 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 00:20:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from edgar1ew1re1zt (dslb-088-072-134-146.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.72.134.146]) (Authenticated sender: dl2hre@arcor.de) by mail-in-01.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E48019B32F for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 00:20:49 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000701c794e3$cab6c090$08a3fea9@edgar1ew1re1zt> From: "dl2hre" To: Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 22:20:47 -0000 Organization: Arcor Online MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: G4WGT in jo51tq Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C794E3.CA4699A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1931 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C794E3.CA4699A0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0004_01C794E3.CA4699A0" ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C794E3.CA4699A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2210utc 503.6KHz, any qsb. 73 Edgar DL2HRE ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C794E3.CA4699A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2210utc 503.6KHz, any qsb.

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SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1933 Hi All at LF, Running beacon again on 503.600 KHz sending G4WGT (qrss03) followed by CW ID at 6 wpm. The beacon will be synchronised at 5 minute intervals to allow me a couple of minutes between transmissions to check the band. Reports welcome as always. 73 Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ Web site updated 07/05/2007 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235272512138392534 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.35.22.5 with SMTP id z5cs431154pyi; Tue, 1 May 2007 12:27:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.255.7 with SMTP id c7mr538318ugi.1178047668799; Tue, 01 May 2007 12:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q1si1369565uge.2007.05.01.12.27.45; Tue, 01 May 2007 12:27:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HixwK-0007p5-1k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 May 2007 20:23:08 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HixwJ-0007ow-45 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 May 2007 20:23:07 +0100 Received: from proxy45.bvx.cz ([212.96.165.45]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HixwI-0007bV-0q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 May 2007 20:23:07 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by proxy45.bvx.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64C14E7192 for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 21:26:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at smtp.bvx.cz Received: from proxy45.bvx.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (proxy45.bvx.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 550kgJZXVkuZ for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 21:26:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rtv5f9d8dfdf44 (u-220-36.breclav.lan [192.168.220.36]) by proxy45.bvx.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FB7B4E5934 for ; Tue, 1 May 2007 21:26:01 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Lubom=EDr_Bobal=EDk?= To: Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 21:23:03 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c78c26$235a6100$0600a8c0@rtv5f9d8dfdf44> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,UPPERCASE_25_50=0 Subject: LF: [500] BHZ_report Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C78C36.E6E33100" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1940 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C78C36.E6E33100 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0004_01C78C36.E6E33100" ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C78C36.E6E33100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nice signal from BHZ beacon this evening. 73 and GL for ALL on 500kHz Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C78C36.E6E33100 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Nice signal from BHZ beacon this = evening.

73 and GL for ALL on = 500kHz

Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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(u-220-36.breclav.lan [192.168.220.36]) by proxy45.bvx.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8247E4E4FF9 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 00:23:42 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Lubom=EDr_Bobal=EDk?= To: Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 00:21:22 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c79b2d$32d2fc30$0600a8c0@rtv5f9d8dfdf44> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: FW: [500] _G3WCB Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01C79B3D.F65BCC30" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1941 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01C79B3D.F65BCC30 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0008_01C79B3D.F65BCC30" ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C79B3D.F65BCC30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: Lubom=EDr Bobal=EDk [mailto:lubomir.bobalik@rtv5.cz]=20 Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:55 PM To: 'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org' Subject: [500] _G3WCB_G3XIZ =20 Hi Dave and Chris! Yessss, now I have seen both yours signals. It is superb!!! =20 Bob =20 ************************************************************************ *** =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 11:32 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: RE: : [500] _G3XAQ =20 Hi, Bob, =20 Yes, I am transmitting now. The message is "TEST G3WCB". I'll continue until 2300 UTC. =20 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom=EDr = Bobal=EDk Sent: 20 May 2007 22:27 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: : [500] _G3XAQ Hi Dave! I see weak signal on 503.33kHz. If you transmitting, then I correctly identify one letter "B"=20 =20 Bob, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 ************************************************************************ ********************************** -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 10:49 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: : [500] _G3XAQ =20 Hi, Bob. =20 I will be in QRSS3 beacon mode from 2040 utc until 2300 UTC tonight. My frequency is 503.330 kHz. Sorry I missed the beginning of the slot, but I have just returned to the shack. Reports most welcome. =20 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom=EDr = Bobal=EDk Sent: 20 May 2007 09:21 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: [500] _G3XAQ Hi Dave! Sorry, I had listened nothing so I went to sleep. I will be glad to try listen signal G3WCB on 503.330kHz. I am going to be ready for a test in QRSS3 mode this night from 20:00 to 22:00 UT. OK? I understand, that ERP some miliwats is no problem between stations from UK. My station is 1500 km away from UK, so if I listen nothing, I consider it as normal. But tests on 500kHz band are very, very interesting. I erlier listened GI4DPE and G3KEV. All depends on QRN and conditions. =20 73, Bob, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 ************************************************************************ ********************************************** =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:52 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: [500] _G3XAQ =20 Hi, Bob. =20 I can put out a QRSS 3 beacon transmission on 503.330 kHz if you wish. Gary G4WGT is also currently on QRSS 3 Beacon mode on 503.60 kHz, "O" copy at this location =20 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom=EDr = Bobal=EDk Sent: 18 May 2007 22:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: [500] _G3XAQ Sri, but no signal on 502kHz here. I am going to continue listening, may be I can capture some cw later. =20 Bob, OK2BVG ------=_NextPart_001_0008_01C79B3D.F65BCC30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Dave and = Chris!

Yessss, now I have seen both yours = signals. It is superb!!!

Bob

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Hi, = Bob,

Yes, I am transmitting now. The message is "TEST G3WCB". I'll = continue until 2300 UTC.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom=EDr = Bobal=EDk
Sent: 20 May 2007 = 22:27
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: : [500] = _G3XAQ <G3WCB Beacon mode?>

Hi = Dave!

I see weak signal on 503.33kHz. If you transmitting, then I correctly identify = one letter „B“

=

Bob, OK2BVG, JN88KS

=

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-----Original = Message-----
From: = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB
Sent: Sunday, May 20, = 2007 10:49 PM
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: : [500] = _G3XAQ <G3WCB Beacon mode?>

Hi, = Bob.

I will be in QRSS3 beacon mode from 2040 utc until 2300 UTC tonight. My frequency = is 503.330 kHz. Sorry I missed the beginning of the slot, but I have just = returned to the shack. Reports most welcome.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From: = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom=EDr Bobal=EDk
Sent: 20 May 2007 = 09:21
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: [500] = _G3XAQ <Beacon mode?>

Hi = Dave!

Sorry, I had listened nothing so I went to sleep. I will be glad to try listen = signal G3WCB on 503.330kHz. I am going to be ready for a test in QRSS3 mode = this night from 20:00 to 22:00 UT. OK?

I understand, that ERP some miliwats is no problem between stations from = UK. My station is 1500 km away from UK, so if I listen nothing, I consider it = as normal. But tests on 500kHz band are very, very interesting. I erlier = listened GI4DPE and G3KEV. All depends on QRN and = conditions.

=

73, Bob, OK2BVG, JN88KS

=

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=

=

-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB
Sent: Friday, May 18, = 2007 11:52 PM
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: [500] _G3XAQ <Beacon mode?>

Hi, = Bob.

I can put out a QRSS 3 beacon transmission on 503.330 kHz if you wish. Gary = G4WGT is also currently on QRSS 3 Beacon mode on 503.60 kHz, "O" copy = at this location

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom=EDr = Bobal=EDk
Sent: 18 May 2007 = 22:38
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: [500] = _G3XAQ

Sri, but no signal on = 502kHz here. I am going to continue listening, may be I can capture some cw = later.

Bob, = OK2BVG

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------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C79C9A.476DBFE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is correct Laurie and if you cannot get it into the air as high as = possible, put the radials (insulated) on top of the ground. I use only 2 = radials on 500 elevated 7 feet above ground, ie GP The old myth about buried radials is long gone, bare wire buried in the = ground has to overcome ground losses for return currents, making a bad = situation even WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!! ----- Original Message -----=20 From: lawrence mayhead=20 To: rsgb=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 2:15 PM Subject: LF: 500kHz Distance I am very encouraged by the response to my comments on our erp limit. Regarding ground loss, the best way to reduce this is not to bury wire in the ground but to put it in the air ! 1 metre of wire in the = air=20 is worth 10 in the ground, and it does'nt have to be in a straight = line either just so long as it covers new ground as it were. My 136 now 500kHz ant has 600 feet of top load in 3 zig zags and I get about 30 ohms resistance on 136 and about 15 ohms on 500. So I dont need many watts to get 0.5 amps int the vert section.=20 73 Laurie G3AQC=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0035_01C79C9A.476DBFE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

This is correct Laurie and if you = cannot get it=20 into the air as high as possible, put the radials (insulated) on top of = the=20 ground. I use only 2 radials on 500 elevated 7 feet above ground, ie=20 GP

The old myth about buried radials is = long gone,=20 bare wire buried in the ground has to overcome ground losses for return=20 currents, making a bad situation even WORSE!!!!!!!!!!!!

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 lawrence mayhead =

To: rsgb

Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 = 2:15 PM

Subject: LF: 500kHz = Distance

I am very encouraged by the response to my comments on=20 our
erp limit.
Regarding ground loss, the best way to reduce = this is not=20 to bury
wire in the ground but to put it in the air ! 1 metre = of wire=20 in the air
is worth 10 in the ground, and it does'nt have to be in = a=20 straight line
either just so long as it covers new ground as it = were. My=20 136 now
500kHz ant has 600 feet of top load in 3 zig zags and I get = about=20 30
ohms resistance on 136 and about 15 ohms on 500. So I dont = need
many=20 watts to get 0.5 amps int the vert section.
73 Laurie G3AQC=20
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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 18:54:53 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.38]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HmZKN-0004Z5-Vo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 18:54:53 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAL1KREbUSnINk2dsb2JhbACIKYdUAQEBAQcGCAwf Received: from [88.106.75.151] (port=3459 helo=wgt01) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HmZKF-000LyU-HN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 18:54:43 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c793f5$75fbdf20$974b6a58@wgt01> From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF $Rsgb LF Group$" Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 18:54:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.296 Subject: LF: 500 khz beacon 11th Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 1967 Hi All, For all the propagation watchers out there I am about to start my beacon again in daylight (it is also raining here) & continue until about 2200 - 2300z. 503.600 KHz, QRSS03, CW ID 6 wpm, 75 mW ERP 73 Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ Web site updated 07/05/2007 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236708758731747411 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf 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(envelope-from ) id 1HoiH2-0004tP-Bs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 16:52:17 +0100 Received: from ACER (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp02.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0JI700I7L02YBE@psmtp02.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 17:52:10 +0200 (MEST) Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:52:10 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <001801c7989b$54956c20$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879 Subject: LF: Fw: BHZ Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_gNGHDBg+GgaWVZfGmvTZdA)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none 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<001b01c78c0a$9caea000$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <000401c78cad$3974b850$3ee8fc3e@g3kev> Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 17:56:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19QcFufFWLsJQ5CHQUU9doIhXivEaRUZekcaLt Z8OQ+t6/GRdq+hbm9rOS6bViNSR2Z1QImr+b8gFrUkjSbgYdyl 9pXw+naxY5/pYyC4n8Z0A== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Three men in a boat Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0028_01C78CE3.426182A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2015 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C78CE3.426182A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Mal, >Why qrs3, what is the point? ... try to copy DI2BO on 505,015 kHz, if you hear my 1.7 mW beacon = aurally then we can have a normal QSO in CW ;-) 73 Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO =20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: hamilton mal=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 8:54 PM Subject: LF: Re: Three men in a boat Why qrs3, what is the point? How about normal CW and some QSO'S. = Already on in this freq area we have 2 German stations and one SM = station going day and night on beacon mode QRS 3. I do not understand = this logic!!!!! de G3KEV ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Walter Staubach=20 To: RSGB LF=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 4:05 PM Subject: LF: Three men in a boat Dear friends, Uwe, DJ8WX, is the third one to have a special German = permit for test and research on 505,1kHz +/-. He was already in the air on 505,109.5 in QRSS3. He will increase = his power up to the 9W ERP. His location is in M=FCnsterdorf north of = Hamburg near Itzehoe. 73 Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG ------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C78CE3.426182A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Mal,

>Why qrs3, what is the = point?

... try to copy DI2BO on 505,015 kHz, = if you hear=20 my 1.7 mW beacon aurally then we can have a normal QSO in CW = ;-)

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 hamilton=20 mal
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20

Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 = 8:54 PM

Subject: LF: Re: Three men in a = boat

Why qrs3, what is the point? How = about normal CW=20 and some QSO'S. Already on in this freq area we have 2 German stations = and one=20 SM station going day and night on beacon mode QRS 3. I do not = understand this=20 logic!!!!!

de G3KEV

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Walter Staubach =
To: RSGB LF

Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 = 4:05=20 PM

Subject: LF: Three men in a = boat

Dear friends,

=20 Uwe, DJ8WX, is the third one to have a special German permit for = test and=20 research on 505,1kHz +/-.

He was already in the air on 505,109.5 in QRSS3. = He will=20 increase his power up to the 9W ERP. His location is in = M=FCnsterdorf north of=20 Hamburg near Itzehoe.

73 Walter DJ2LF / DI2AG

------=_NextPart_000_0028_01C78CE3.426182A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237907027786805936 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs27059hue; Wed, 30 May 2007 14:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.88.20 with SMTP id q20mr834806ugl.1180560138746; Wed, 30 May 2007 14:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c24si568792ika.2007.05.30.14.22.16; Wed, 30 May 2007 14:22:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HtVZZ-0000oH-U6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 22:19:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HtVZZ-0000o8-FW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 22:19:13 +0100 Received: from proxy45.bvx.cz ([212.96.165.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HtVZY-0002Mq-St for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 22:19:13 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by proxy45.bvx.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2360E4E494B for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 23:21:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at smtp.bvx.cz Received: from proxy45.bvx.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (proxy45.bvx.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6ku-UkQCO3ly for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 23:21:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rtv5f9d8dfdf44 (u-220-36.breclav.lan [192.168.220.36]) by proxy45.bvx.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C26224E4949 for ; Wed, 30 May 2007 23:21:17 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Lubom=EDr_Bobal=EDk?= To: Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 23:19:09 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c7a300$29aa69b0$8700a8c0@rtv5f9d8dfdf44> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 In-Reply-To: <20070530230246.l86u1tfw91k4sww8@webmail.versatel.de> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: [500] Locator OK2BVG Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2053 Hi Uwe! My locator is JN88KS, QTH Breclav. Bob, OK2BVG ***************************************** -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of uwe-jannsen@versanet.de Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 11:03 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: [500] DI2AG_DI2BE Zitat von Lubom=EDr Bobal=EDk : > GE LF OM=B4s! > One nice snapshot from 505.1 kHz. > > GL, 73 . Bob, OK2BVG > Hi Bob, thanks for the pic. your locator please. regards Uwe/dj8wx/di2be From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237001523538788559 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs203662hue; Sun, 20 May 2007 14:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.21.11 with SMTP id y11mr2878997ugi.1179696582181; Sun, 20 May 2007 14:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id h1si4372229ugf.2007.05.20.14.29.39; Sun, 20 May 2007 14:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpsvX-0008Qs-BK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 22:26:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpsvW-0008Qj-IB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 22:26:54 +0100 Received: from proxy45.bvx.cz ([212.96.165.45]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpsvV-0008Rf-0b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 22:26:54 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by proxy45.bvx.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C83E94E4FDB for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:29:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at smtp.bvx.cz Received: from proxy45.bvx.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (proxy45.bvx.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v5iHvnwYYQvb for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:29:03 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rtv5f9d8dfdf44 (u-220-36.breclav.lan [192.168.220.36]) by proxy45.bvx.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A5BA4E4FC6 for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 23:29:03 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Lubom=EDr_Bobal=EDk?= To: Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 23:26:43 +0200 Message-ID: <000401c79b25$90490bf0$0600a8c0@rtv5f9d8dfdf44> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.212,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: : [500] _G3XAQ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C79B36.53D1DBF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2059 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C79B36.53D1DBF0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0006_01C79B36.53D1DBF0" ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C79B36.53D1DBF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Dave! I see weak signal on 503.33kHz. If you transmitting, then I correctly identify one letter "B"=20 =20 Bob, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 ************************************************************************ ********************************** -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2007 10:49 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: : [500] _G3XAQ =20 Hi, Bob. =20 I will be in QRSS3 beacon mode from 2040 utc until 2300 UTC tonight. My frequency is 503.330 kHz. Sorry I missed the beginning of the slot, but I have just returned to the shack. Reports most welcome. =20 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom=EDr = Bobal=EDk Sent: 20 May 2007 09:21 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: [500] _G3XAQ Hi Dave! Sorry, I had listened nothing so I went to sleep. I will be glad to try listen signal G3WCB on 503.330kHz. I am going to be ready for a test in QRSS3 mode this night from 20:00 to 22:00 UT. OK? I understand, that ERP some miliwats is no problem between stations from UK. My station is 1500 km away from UK, so if I listen nothing, I consider it as normal. But tests on 500kHz band are very, very interesting. I erlier listened GI4DPE and G3KEV. All depends on QRN and conditions. =20 73, Bob, OK2BVG, JN88KS =20 ************************************************************************ ********************************************** =20 =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:52 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: [500] _G3XAQ =20 Hi, Bob. =20 I can put out a QRSS 3 beacon transmission on 503.330 kHz if you wish. Gary G4WGT is also currently on QRSS 3 Beacon mode on 503.60 kHz, "O" copy at this location =20 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom=EDr = Bobal=EDk Sent: 18 May 2007 22:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: [500] _G3XAQ Sri, but no signal on 502kHz here. I am going to continue listening, may be I can capture some cw later. =20 Bob, OK2BVG ------=_NextPart_001_0006_01C79B36.53D1DBF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Dave!

I see weak signal on 503.33kHz. If = you transmitting, then I correctly identify one letter „B“ =

Bob, OK2BVG, = JN88KS

************************************= **********************************************************************

-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB
Sent: Sunday, May 20, = 2007 10:49 PM
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: : [500] = _G3XAQ <G3WCB Beacon mode?>

Hi, = Bob.

I will be in QRSS3 beacon mode from 2040 utc until 2300 UTC tonight. My = frequency is 503.330 kHz. Sorry I missed the beginning of the slot, but I have just = returned to the shack. Reports most welcome.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom=EDr = Bobal=EDk
Sent: 20 May 2007 = 09:21
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: [500] = _G3XAQ <Beacon mode?>

Hi = Dave!

Sorry, I had listened nothing so I went to sleep. I will be glad to try listen = signal G3WCB on 503.330kHz. I am going to be ready for a test in QRSS3 mode = this night from 20:00 to 22:00 UT. OK?

I understand, that ERP some miliwats is no problem between stations from = UK. My station is 1500 km away from UK, so if I listen nothing, I consider it = as normal. But tests on 500kHz band are very, very interesting. I erlier = listened GI4DPE and G3KEV. All depends on QRN and = conditions.

=

73, Bob, OK2BVG, JN88KS

=

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=

=

-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB
Sent: Friday, May 18, = 2007 11:52 PM
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: [500] _G3XAQ <Beacon mode?>

Hi, = Bob.

I can put out a QRSS 3 beacon transmission on 503.330 kHz if you wish. Gary = G4WGT is also currently on QRSS 3 Beacon mode on 503.60 kHz, "O" copy = at this location

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Lubom=EDr = Bobal=EDk
Sent: 18 May 2007 = 22:38
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: [500] = _G3XAQ

Sri, but no signal on = 502kHz here. I am going to continue listening, may be I can capture some cw = later.

Bob, = OK2BVG

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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2061 Hi Alan, I have measured the response of the S-meter of my R-75 at 60 kHz, using a W&G level generator and a Hatfield attenuator I had bought on eBay some time ago. At 60 kHz, you need a signal of -67 dBm to have an indication of S9 on the receiver. To bring it down to S3, I had to insert using the Hatfield attenuator 17 dB of attenuation. So much for the linearity of S-meters... So, for what this test is worth, apparently at my location Anthorn seems to be about 17 dB weaker than Rugby. The test is not much scientific, as I didn't take note in the past of the time of the day when I took the S9 reading, nor of its repeatability, but as a ballpark indication maybe it can say something. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236463831931498071 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs12357hue; Tue, 15 May 2007 10:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.27.3 with SMTP id e3mr4216020ugj.1179251996425; Tue, 15 May 2007 10:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id x37si13338124ugc.2007.05.15.10.59.53; Tue, 15 May 2007 10:59:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ho1FD-0004qc-55 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 18:55:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ho1FC-0004qT-IS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 18:55:30 +0100 Received: from lon1-mail-1.visp.demon.net ([193.195.70.4] ident=mirapoint) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Ho1FB-0007ZR-0B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 18:55:30 +0100 Received: from lon1-mailstore-2-port0.visp.demon.net (EHLO lon1-mailstore-2.visp.demon.net) ([192.168.217.133]) by lon1-mail-1.visp.demon.net (MOS 3.7.5a-GA FastPath) with ESMTP id FGB64961; Tue, 15 May 2007 18:55:28 +0100 (BST) Received: (from lon1-mailstore-2.visp.demon.net [80.189.227.99]) by lon1-mailstore-2.visp.demon.net (MOS 3.7.5a-GA) with HTTP/1.1 id IOB84712 (AUTH m0fmt@beeb.net); Tue, 15 May 2007 18:55:27 +0100 (BST) From: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: Mirapoint Webmail Direct 3.7.5a-GA MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20070515185527.IOB84712@lon1-mailstore-2.visp.demon.net> Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 18:55:27 +0100 (BST) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Rugby - Anthorn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2062 Hi LF Group... Very interesting I expected as much see the promise below after my enquiry about the coveraqe!!!! .... Date : Tue 30 May 14:52:29 BST 2006 >From : "Enquiry" Add To Address Book Subject : MSF query To : Previous Next Printer Friendly Version Put in Folder... Inbox Draft Sent Trash 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 Thank you for your email. You can find more information about the MSF time signal on our website at http://www.npl.co.uk/time/msf/ You should still receive the signal without difficulty after the move to Anthorn. The signal will still cover the whole of the UK and extend beyond to much of North and West Europe. You will probably not notice any difference at all and most people will be unaware anything has changed. I hope this helps Kind Regards Julia *************************************** NPL Helpline NPL Management Limited Hampton Road Teddington Middlesex TW11 0LW +44 (0)20 8943 6880 mailto:enquiry@npl.co.uk *************************************** The views expressed in this e-mail are those of the originator and do not necessarily represent the views of NPL Management Ltd. Nothing in this e-mail shall bind NPL Management Ltd in any contract or obligation. ------------------------------------------------------------- ------ This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential and/or privileged material; it is for the intended addressee(s) only. If you are not a named addressee, you must not use, retain or disclose such information. NPL Management Ltd cannot guarantee that the e-mail or any attachments are free from viruses. NPL Management Ltd. Registered in England and Wales. No: 2937881 Registered Office: Serco House, 16 Bartley Wood Business Park, Hook, Hampshire, United Kingdom RG27 9UY ------------------------------------------------------------- ------ Best 73 peteM0FMT. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236463831931498071 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs247573hue; Mon, 14 May 2007 16:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.32.16 with SMTP id k16mr1439977ugj.1179185382460; Mon, 14 May 2007 16:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id s1si11969698uge.2007.05.14.16.29.40; Mon, 14 May 2007 16:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hnjwk-0007Wy-Lp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 00:27:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hnjwj-0007Wp-Mm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 00:27:17 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hnjwi-000453-8a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 00:27:17 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (cmsout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.32]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9A4B5B7B for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 23:27:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.34P) with ESMTP id XID862LeNXbJ8854X02; Mon, 14 May 2007 23:27:09 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID862LeNXbJ8854X02 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.76.209.169] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.31J) with ESMTP id 669LeNXbH0295M36; Mon, 14 May 2007 23:27:07 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.76.209.169 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <4648F04F.8080202@usa.net> Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 01:27:11 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004e01c79610$0592d320$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <4648D997.4050707@usa.net> <002101c7967b$bfffbaa0$0300a8c0@lark> In-Reply-To: <002101c7967b$bfffbaa0$0300a8c0@lark> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.3.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID669LeNXbH0295X36 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Rugby - Anthorn Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060006080204000701050508" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2063 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060006080204000701050508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Alan, if you have Google Earth installed, just double-click on the attached placemaker, and you will be brought directly over my house, at JN45sl88 > You location is I think " near Milan " ?? 25 km East of Milan, and also 25 km South of Bergamo, more or less. > er I can't listen cos my Winrad has expired....nudge nudge. I know, I know, and I am feeling guilty... it is more than 2 weeks that each day I say to myself "Alberto, you have to ready the Win98 timeless version of Winrad", but every day something different catches my attention, requiring my time. The latest being a Racal RA1792 that followed me home from a swap meeting last Saturday... but I'll do that, honest ! 73 Alberto I2PHD --------------060006080204000701050508 Content-Type: application/vnd.google-earth.kmz; name="I2PHD_house.kmz" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="I2PHD_house.kmz" UEsDBBQAAAAIAAAAAACduBZREQIAAEMGAAAHAAAAZG9jLmttbMVUTW/bMAw9O78i8I5t9GHL cTwoLja0KwZsQICt50FzFNuILAW2Mqw77LePlj+Spi2KZQV2MECKT+R7pCl+9bNS0x+ybkqj lz5FxJ9KnZl1qfOlf/f1w2zhX6UTvgUUIHWz9Atrd28xlqK2BcqNyZVEmakwQHCAqA/oa5Pt K6ltOvG4FpVMf9/eBNfv0bb6xbE7gMAXe6/kZ7Gbluulv5YbsVf2QpcZ8OhLVGLXHFcAf1Mq 2bhSO6FC3KLnIdrp/KL4+5tR1N4Ewp7HV6KsW8PjW3mfalNXQnHc2u6wacne1Sp9MzA9lyjH Y662Lh4KnzAoyrxQ8NlXJtFpfoYEx8NQxgE9mM65mrsWfwTf5ezUtK6zPF7UcpOe1Ut306XD Q77OGgr1kl5Lz/Evc6KnyQSYFFForjP/XeUwrBdVevyT+C7VC2w4foA6as1KiUxWot46mNvQ W0fupt3yb2N43F4oaMz2ne2KKaPz0u7XMk1QFIckDlm8CJNFEkD5Q7DDCtt5LEIsYUmQRCyO aEwYQIeYQwrVe4Tj0XaRWugcEpAAJTEJYjKPFvMgDjnuAg5jS2XTGUURTVhA2XyekAWjsZwR Cvlc1OEKKdrHLiWIEEZpFLMwBj40CVgEne+jXfdGyU+s4n94uU62eGVK3YvKjKmBt7CyeTyS y0edv4SOHF/p3oQ+HViHv4Pjw9vOW07p5A9QSwECAAAUAAAACAAAAAAAnbgWURECAABDBgAA BwAAAAAAAAABAAAAAAAAAAAAZG9jLmttbFBLBQYAAAAAAQABADUAAAA2AgAAAAA= --------------060006080204000701050508-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236463831931498071 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs246944hue; Mon, 14 May 2007 16:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr5536001ugg.1179183799692; Mon, 14 May 2007 16:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 53si14817788ugn.2007.05.14.16.03.16; Mon, 14 May 2007 16:03:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HnjXQ-0007GY-Px for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 00:01:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HnjXP-0007GG-TY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 00:01:07 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.67]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnjXO-00040F-I7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 00:01:07 +0100 Received: (qmail 27070 invoked from network); 14 May 2007 23:01:01 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=VGu2maKwZq5eAIKF3Vbv3AvehS8mXJie6oohQ7Byrh5nK5DXLWKXY6r5TW2wxLKf/GXJbyzjbtyVgnyf5NggwXk5Cwzr/USwMQ0AVBpC/dW1sxy34MAEcZ4jG0OL6hGRqW8vUm3wINttYjCloFQ/TDaQWiix/oSHBXIkB2GKGHA= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.67.55 with login) by smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 May 2007 23:01:00 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: g16X86gVM1kREzQXci3lD7zNU5sad1xf89oeGscy4CxBa5GUTC15RwwbMZWS0mU27c9LIBvYyw-- Message-ID: <002101c7967b$bfffbaa0$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <004e01c79610$0592d320$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <4648D997.4050707@usa.net> Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 23:34:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.475 Subject: LF: Re: Rugby - Anthorn Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2064 Hi Alberto thanks for that I am quite interested and there is no doubt that even around the UK Anthorn does not seem to provide as big a signal as Rugby did. I have a feeling they may be using 5dB less power, "but dont quote me" as the politicians say !! You have a 20dB diffference which is remarkable I will report that to NPL if I may. You location is I think " near Milan " ?? er I can't listen cos my Winrad has expired....nudge nudge. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto di Bene To: Sent: 14 May 2007 22:50 Subject: LF: Rugby - Anthorn > The recent move of the 60 kHz time/frequency reference station from Rugby to Anthorn has considerably contributed to the > diminution of RF pollution, at least here where I live... :-) > Rugby was S9 on average, using the Roelof active whip, while Anthorn rarely exceeds S3... > > I thought I had to report this change of signal strength, even if it probably is of no interest for the majority of > you... :-) > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235682292854219048 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs134990hue; Sun, 6 May 2007 05:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.103.7 with SMTP id f7mr3707955ugm.1178453530418; Sun, 06 May 2007 05:12:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id u1si3026758uge.2007.05.06.05.12.08; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2067 Hi Henny, Thank-you for the report and the capture. 73 Joe On Sun, 6 May 2007, henny van elst wrote: > nice signal vo1na > time:o2:55 utc > antenne sloper 7 meter > reciever r&schwarz ek 891 > jo22mb > best 73 > henny pa3cpm.. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235682292854219048 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs130448hue; Sun, 6 May 2007 01:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.249.16 with SMTP id w16mr4113980ugh.1178438466021; Sun, 06 May 2007 01:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 27si8894467ugp.2007.05.06.01.01.03; Sun, 06 May 2007 01:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hkba3-00045X-9I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; 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nice signal vo1na

time:o2:55 utc

antenne sloper 7 meter

reciever r&schwarz ek 891

jo22mb

best 73

henny pa3cpm..

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post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hsa4C-00058Y-Cp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:55:00 +0100 Received: from mail3.uklinux.net ([80.84.72.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hsa4B-00042H-Kf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 May 2007 08:55:00 +0100 Received: from o (bts-0703.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.50.191]) by mail3.uklinux.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 58EBA40ABF1 for ; Mon, 28 May 2007 07:54:58 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <001d01c7a0fd$81683a10$bf32f7c2@o> From: "Gw3UEP" To: References: <000801c7a04b$32303540$b533f7c2@o> <003201c7a07b$39685970$2fc8e150@o> <44sdwkE+3bWGFwHp@g3xaq.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 08:53:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re:502 0600bst onwards... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C7A105.B813EB10" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2089 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C7A105.B813EB10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alan/Chris, QSO with Ray fm 0600-0830; split 501.6/502 for Far-East. No trace of Alan here, but Ray hrd XAQ calling & replied on 501.6. Chris; we both copied you & replied - yr sig here same as midday, so = knew you wouldn't hr me, without QSB upswing. Then moved to Ray's freq. Ray's sig like VHF here, slight QSB initially. My bcn now on 501.5.=20 Will be qsx 501.5/.2 1000bst. Also, 3577 duplex. Chris=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C7A105.B813EB10 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Alan/Chris,

QSO with Ray fm 0600-0830; = split=20 501.6/502 for Far-East.

No trace of Alan here, but = Ray hrd XAQ=20 calling & replied on 501.6.

Chris; we both copied you & = replied=20 - yr sig here same as midday, so knew you wouldn't hr me, without = QSB=20 upswing.

Then moved to Ray's=20 freq.

Ray's sig like VHF here, = slight QSB=20 initially.

My bcn now on=20 501.5.

Will be qsx 501.5/.2 = 1000bst. Also,=20 3577 duplex.

Chris

------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C7A105.B813EB10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236612171713296353 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs41790hue; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.220.12 with SMTP id s12mr6732021ugg.1179325267577; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 53si17781854ugn.2007.05.16.07.21.01; Wed, 16 May 2007 07:21:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HoKJJ-00080l-QN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 15:17:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HoKJJ-00080c-8w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 15:17:01 +0100 Received: from cas-mta2-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.24] helo=mta-fe.casema.nl) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HoKJF-0003zp-Qz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 May 2007 15:17:01 +0100 Received: from localhost (cas-filter2.mgmt.casema.nl [10.42.32.69]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 216B75CCA for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 16:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mta-fe.casema.nl ([10.42.32.24]) by localhost (cas-filter2.mgmt.casema.nl [10.42.32.211]) (amavisd-new, port 20024) with ESMTP id 23114-06 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 16:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from crazypeecee.casema.nl (5356F8BC.cable.casema.nl [83.86.248.188]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3EB57D0 for ; Wed, 16 May 2007 16:16:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:17:23 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Dick Rollema In-Reply-To: <20070515185527.IOB84712@lon1-mailstore-2.visp.demon.net> References: <20070515185527.IOB84712@lon1-mailstore-2.visp.demon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20070516141651.EF3EB57D0@mta-fe.casema.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at casema.nl X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.000 Subject: LF: Field strength of Anthorn at PA0SE Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2094 To All from PA0SE The location of Anthorn is given as 54=B0 55' N; 3=B0 15' W. A computer program, written by Harry, PA0LQ, gives as locator IO84JW My locator is JO22GD. Again using the PA0LQ program the distance=20 between Anthorn and my place is found to be 598 km.. The power of Anthorn is quoted as 15 kW EMRP. The CCIR graph for propagation over sea water,=20 average salinity, predict a field strength at my=20 location of 1.23 millivolt/metre. I have measured 1.38 millivolt/metre. Only a=20 little bit higher than predicted and certainly=20 within the accuracy by which the graph can be read. One could object that Anthorn is not at the coast=20 so the path in the UK is over land (I live only=20 15 km from the coast). But the CCIR graphs for=20 sea water and land (conductivity 0.03 S/m;=20 di=EBlectric constant 40) are identical for the frequency and distance= involved. 73, Dick, PA0SE At 19:55 15-5-2007, you wrote: >Hi LF Group... > >Very interesting I expected as much see the promise below >after my enquiry about the coveraqe!!!! .... > > > >Date : Tue 30 May 14:52:29 BST 2006 > > From : "Enquiry" Add To Address Book > >Subject : MSF query > >To : > > > > Previous Next Printer Friendly Version > > Put in Folder... Inbox Draft Sent Trash 1 >2 3 4 5 6 7 8 > > > >Thank you for your email. You can find more information >about the MSF time signal on our website at >http://www.npl.co.uk/time/msf/ > >You should still receive the signal without difficulty after >the move to Anthorn. The signal will still cover the whole >of the UK and extend beyond to much of North and West >Europe. You will probably not notice any difference at all >and most people will be unaware anything has changed. > >I hope this helps > >Kind Regards >Julia > >*************************************** >NPL Helpline > >NPL Management Limited >Hampton Road >Teddington >Middlesex >TW11 0LW > >+44 (0)20 8943 6880 >mailto:enquiry@npl.co.uk >*************************************** >The views expressed in this e-mail are those of the >originator and do not necessarily represent the views of NPL >Management Ltd. > >Nothing in this e-mail shall bind NPL Management Ltd in any >contract or obligation. > >------------------------------------------------------------- >------ >This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential >and/or >privileged material; it is for the intended addressee(s) >only. >If you are not a named addressee, you must not use, retain >or >disclose such information. > >NPL Management Ltd cannot guarantee that the e-mail or any >attachments are free from viruses. > >NPL Management Ltd. Registered in England and Wales. No: >2937881 >Registered Office: Serco House, 16 Bartley Wood Business >Park, > Hook, Hampshire, United Kingdom RG27 9UY >------------------------------------------------------------- >------ > >Best 73 peteM0FMT. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236178644550099615 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs328634hue; Fri, 11 May 2007 15:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.119.9 with SMTP id w9mr3150419ugm.1178922720191; Fri, 11 May 2007 15:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j3si4471080ugd.2007.05.11.15.31.57; Fri, 11 May 2007 15:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hmdcq-00088r-SI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 23:30:12 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hmdcq-00088g-Ec for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 23:30:12 +0100 Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.208]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hmdcp-0001PK-IQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 23:30:12 +0100 Received: from ColePe@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id l.cdf.ebf74c9 (39330) for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 18:29:59 -0400 (EDT) From: ColePe@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 18:29:58 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: [500] G3WCB QRV 503.330 kHz...QRSS3... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1178922598" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2096 -------------------------------1178922598 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/05/2007 19:28:32 Greenwich Standard Time, ganymede444@btopenworld.com writes: Dear LF G3WCB is in beacon mode QRSS3 with 5 WPM CW I/D on 503.330 kHz 1920 utc until 2300 utc tonight. RF into the antenna is 20W. Antenna current 0,24A, and ERP about 50mW. WX rain. Sorry I couldn't get any closer to G4WGT...my crystal won't go any higher! Once again, reports are most welcome. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM Dave, your signal is peaking now about 10 dB above local noise and giving clear signal on the waterfall. 30-45 mins ago it was barely visible with deep fading into the noise. 73 Peter, G3JFS Plymouth, IO70WJ -------------------------------1178922598 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 11/05/2007 19:28:32 Greenwich Standard Time,=20 ganymede444@btopenworld.com writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Dear=20 LF

G3WCB is in beacon mode QRSS3 with 5 WPM CW I/D on 503.330 kHz 1= 920=20 utc
until 2300 utc tonight.

RF into the antenna is 20W. Antenna=20 current 0,24A, and ERP about 50mW. WX
rain.

Sorry I couldn't get= any=20 closer to G4WGT...my crystal won't go any higher!

Once again, repor= ts=20 are most welcome.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

Dave,

your signal is peaking now about 10 dB above local noise and givin= g=20 clear signal on the waterfall. 30-45 mins ago it was barely visible with dee= p=20 fading into the noise.

73 Peter, G3JFS

Plymouth, IO70WJ

-------------------------------1178922598-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236178644550099615 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs323041hue; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.40.12 with SMTP id s12mr2843527ugj.1178911823844; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 20si6575086uga.2007.05.11.12.30.20; Fri, 11 May 2007 12:30:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HmamQ-0006NY-Ki for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 20:27:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HmamQ-0006NP-4v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 20:27:54 +0100 Received: from smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.70]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HmamP-0007db-Gx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 20:27:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 2729 invoked from network); 11 May 2007 19:27:47 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MIMEOLE:In-Reply-To:Importance; b=SS4TtSOsWXtnTvRflAbCrXmc8c54ENMBeuP9jA/W8Avyktfy5f2ciSwTn1e1LpHPPCEjrzldqtjVULPjZLC2hArNB8U1XZ27v/wqhqyPInzev69VNOub/H+noAsiop4aThw8+Albau4IZH6g3x+FfJjAbawLjZ/UyVdG4P3j5fY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@81.154.12.236 with login) by smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 May 2007 19:27:47 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 5SUMGicVM1kzo8qcGEHA9sL88vHG2AAZaLUA.Fan0XAPsqus9FtNZlaiMaj6j_I7Gsr1PMR9ew-- From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 20:28:13 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: [500] G3WCB QRV 503.330 kHz...QRSS3... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2097 Dear LF G3WCB is in beacon mode QRSS3 with 5 WPM CW I/D on 503.330 kHz 1920 utc until 2300 utc tonight. RF into the antenna is 20W. Antenna current 0,24A, and ERP about 50mW. WX rain. Sorry I couldn't get any closer to G4WGT...my crystal won't go any higher! Once again, reports are most welcome. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235643731776110371 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs121570hue; Sat, 5 May 2007 14:48:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.242.20 with SMTP id p20mr3767642ugh.1178401691991; Sat, 05 May 2007 14:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 27si8177138ugp.2007.05.05.14.48.09; Sat, 05 May 2007 14:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HkS43-0001Jh-Pl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 22:45:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HkS43-0001JY-Em for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 22:45:15 +0100 Received: from smtp14.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HkS42-0001i2-Is for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 22:45:15 +0100 Received: from ACER (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by smtp14.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0JHL00FFQ8F8O5@smtp14.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 23:45:09 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 23:45:02 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <000f01c78f5e$a3344cc0$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): bhz1.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_vPRH/ePgI9diJZii5XLbIQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2105 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_vPRH/ePgI9diJZii5XLbIQ) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_tqaCrhSzTfuPkhJODBn5rQ)" --Boundary_(ID_tqaCrhSzTfuPkhJODBn5rQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT strong signal gus henny pa3cpm best 73. --Boundary_(ID_tqaCrhSzTfuPkhJODBn5rQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

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Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: 500 khz beacon 11th Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2111 Hi Dave distilled water has a high resistance and a dielectric constant of about 80 (PTFE 2.3). You should find the current goes up soon after it stops raining, maybe as the ground water starts to absorb minerals, but also as the film of water get shaken off the wire. Finbar had a similar effect when we were trying to measure antenna ground loss on 136. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary - G4WGT To: Sent: 11 May 2007 19:28 Subject: LF: Re: 500 khz beacon 11th > Hi All, > > In my previous mail I wrote :- > > "503.600 KHz, QRSS03, CW ID 6 wpm, 75 mW ERP" > > As it is raining here at the moment & the ground is now quite wet the > antenna current is noticable lower without any change to the transmitter or > antenna settings. > > The ERP appears to about 40 mW now but my signal still looks the same on > Dave's (G3YXM) grabber. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ > Web site updated 07/05/2007 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236915222760736385 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs178671hue; Sat, 19 May 2007 15:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.8 with SMTP id d8mr2161954ugm.1179614280012; Sat, 19 May 2007 15:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id x33si3249763ugc.2007.05.19.15.37.57; Sat, 19 May 2007 15:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpXUU-0003mo-O1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 23:33:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpXUU-0003mf-1u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 23:33:34 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.73]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpXUS-0007nt-8S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 23:33:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 80247 invoked from network); 19 May 2007 22:33:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btopenworld.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Importance:X-MimeOLE:In-Reply-To; b=6DKqN53Ymkz/o+8+p5/iRVr1XHIFZEEQwI1kuy8XAIIxrwTQIpLRgStxqxaSrsZeImNn/M8WKvWFAqeyVSORIBmOPRKF9HQ9FM9hBUT4a7fKeyDYWEAamS0uNhWuz3H32q2t98JG5Oe5hZ00/QeddIB3Y82zJ+Q88Wjpp8D1lSY= ; Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.134.204.207 with login) by smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 May 2007 22:33:26 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: qD.m0cAVM1mjEQWuzKjkZdTzWusXLO2IxmreqL5Ksw_P7xVhhx3AE7Rv7xk6PxtK6yQPgUMd_yRAS694I1FI7zP43pbyNZ2nOJ_c3Q46Kb036.GsZNzPY8TwbQA- From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 23:33:55 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <00f501c79a50$f60bad10$2101a8c0@VicsLaptop> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: LF 500khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C79A6E.2AD1A190" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.8 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2120 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C79A6E.2AD1A190 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Vic. I've got no experince with the K2, but you'll probably need a pre-selector to get the best performance out of your rig on 500 kHz. I use a simple design with a fet front end, which can be found on G3YXM's web-site:- http://www.wireless.org.uk/circuits2.htm I substituted a J310 fet for the BF245, and used IFTs from a junked transistor radio for the inductors. My RX is an Icom IC-PCR1000 which is okay, but the IF filter is a bit wide for close-in CW work. For transmitting, I use a design by DF3LP, which was originally for 137 kHz http://www.qsl.net/df3lp/projects/lftx/index.html It uses an IRF 540 FET as the output stage, and I have no trouble getting 25W into 50 ohms from a 12VDC supply, although you may not need this much power to hit the 100 mW ERP limit if you have a reasonable antenna. You can scavenge most of the bits for nothing from scrap PC power supplies, including the case and fan! The DF3LP TX design uses a crystal-mixer VFO, but you could omit this and feed your 1mW straight into the second BC549 transistor. You'd need to re-do the pi-section filters for operation at 500 kHz, but you just need to scale the inductance value by the ratio 137/500. I've got a scanned copy of my TX circuit if you are interested. Quite a few 500 kHz OPS are using valve TXs, with bottles like ECL82, and 2E26s. It just depends what you are happiest using! 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Vic@VicsFloridaVilla Sent: 19 May 2007 21:05 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: LF 500khz Hi Folks, Joined the list a couple of weeks ago amd enjoying reading all the postings but this is my first posting. I am planning to use my Elecraft K2 to drive a homebrew transverter to give me a 500khz capability. I have the transverter interface board in the K2 so have a 1mW output available. So far I hace lashed up a 28Mhz xtal oscillator and a home brew diode ring mixer. Feeding these through a G0MRF 7 element Low Pass Filter I tested it the other night and it works ! Wow. Nice clean cw and ssb on 500khz (feeding directly into my receiver....probably the first and last time I'll hear ssb on 500khz !!) Amazing carrier suppression on ssb - really impressive for 4 IN4148 diodes and a couple of FT50-43 cores. Plenty of attenuation of 1000khz and 1500khz harmonics. It's looking good ! Just tried it on receive and it does work but signals very weak. With the K2 pre amp on I can hear MSF 60Khz at S1 , Loran 100Khz at S4, BBc R4 198Khz at S9, plus a few other data type sigs below 150khz. Heard nothing on 500Khz . I can hear a strong intermittent data type signal on about 518Khz Plenty of noise when I connect the antenna though. Looks like I may need to work on the antenna and maybe some receive amplification . I'm thrilled with all this so far but now I need some help with the rest of the system. So a few questions for you all, and any ideas and suggestions gratefully received ! 1) Can anyone point me to any designs for a pa suitable for 500khz. Something around 5 - 10 watts output from about 1mW input would be great. I am not very knowledgable on electronics but I love tinkering so something which is easy to get going would be good. I imagine at 500khz it should not be too difficult. 2) Has anyone on the list used a K2 with the transverter board to drive a transveter ? I can get a full 1mW tx output into a 50 ohm dummy load (as per the construction manual) but when driving my homebrew ring mixer I can only get about 0.3 mW maximum. I wonder if there is an impedance mismatch which is loading the K2 output. The K2 is connected directly to the mixer. My mixer has six trifilar turns on a FT50-43 at each end. It clearly works well but I think I'll need to get the level up a bit at some point. 3) Thinking ahead to antennas.....I'll need to do something to resonate my 180 ft Inv L . I 'll probably stick a big loading coil in it somewhere but I have no idea how much L I'll need . Is there any software out there which will help me with this ? Meanwhile I'll press on with the band pass filter which is not working so well . Time for a tinker !! TIA 73, Vic GW4JUN Halkyn North Wales IO83JF ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C79A6E.2AD1A190 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,=20 Vic.

I've=20 got no experince with the K2, but you'll probably need a pre-selector to = get the=20 best performance out of your rig on 500 kHz. I use a simple design = with a=20 fet front end, which can be found on G3YXM's web-site:- =20 http://www.wireless.org= .uk/circuits2.htm =20 I substituted a J310 fet for the BF245, and used IFTs from a junked = transistor=20 radio for the inductors. My RX is an Icom IC-PCR1000 which is okay, but = the IF=20 filter is a bit wide for close-in CW work.

For=20 transmitting, I use a design by DF3LP, which was originally for 137 kHz=20 http://www.qsl.net/df3lp/projects/lftx/index.html It uses an IRF 540 FET as the output = stage, and=20 I have no trouble getting 25W into 50 ohms from a 12VDC supply, although = you may=20 not need this much power to hit the 100 mW ERP limit if you have a=20 reasonable antenna.

You can scavenge most of the bits for nothing = from=20 scrap PC power supplies, including the case and=20 fan!

The DF3LP TX design uses a crystal-mixer VFO, = but you=20 could omit this and feed your 1mW straight into the second BC549 = transistor.=20 You'd need to re-do the pi-section filters for operation at 500 kHz, but = you=20 just need to scale the inductance value by the = ratio 137/500. I've got=20 a scanned copy of my TX circuit if you are=20 interested.

Quite a few 500 kHz OPS are using valve TXs, = with=20 bottles like ECL82, and 2E26s. It just depends what you are happiest=20 using!

73, Dave G3WCB = IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 Vic@VicsFloridaVilla
Sent: 19 May 2007 = 21:05
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: LF=20 500khz

Hi Folks,

Joined the list a couple of = weeks ago=20 amd enjoying reading all the postings but this is my first=20 posting.

I am planning to use my = Elecraft K2 to=20 drive a homebrew transverter to give me a 500khz capability. I have = the=20 transverter interface board in the K2 so have a 1mW output=20 available.

So far I hace lashed up a = 28Mhz xtal=20 oscillator and a home brew diode ring mixer. Feeding these through a = G0MRF 7=20 element Low Pass Filter I tested it the other night and it works = ! Wow.=20 Nice clean cw and ssb on 500khz (feeding directly into my = receiver....probably=20 the first and last time I'll hear ssb on 500khz !!) Amazing carrier=20 suppression on ssb - really impressive for 4 IN4148 diodes and a = couple of=20 FT50-43 cores. Plenty of attenuation of 1000khz and 1500khz harmonics. = It's=20 looking good !

Just tried it on receive = and it does=20 work but signals very weak. With the K2 pre amp on I can hear MSF = 60Khz at=20 S1 , Loran 100Khz at S4, BBc R4 198Khz at S9, plus a few other = data type=20 sigs below 150khz. Heard nothing on 500Khz . I can hear a strong = intermittent=20 data type signal on about 518Khz Plenty of noise when I = connect the=20 antenna though. Looks like I may need to work on the antenna and maybe = some=20 receive amplification .

I'm thrilled with all this = so far =20 but now I need some help with the rest of the system.

So a few questions for you = all, and any=20 ideas and suggestions gratefully received !

1) Can anyone point me to = any designs=20 for a pa suitable for 500khz. Something around 5 - 10 watts output = from about=20 1mW input would be great. I am not very knowledgable on electronics = but I love=20 tinkering so something which is easy to get going would be good. I = imagine at=20 500khz it should not be too difficult.

2) Has anyone on the list = used a K2=20 with the transverter board to drive a transveter ? I can get a full = 1mW tx=20 output into a 50 ohm dummy load (as per the construction manual) but = when=20 driving my homebrew ring mixer I can only get about 0.3 mW maximum. I = wonder=20 if there is an impedance mismatch which is loading the K2 = output. The K2=20 is connected directly to the mixer. My mixer has six trifilar = turns on a=20 FT50-43 at each end. It clearly works well but I think I'll need to = get the=20 level up a bit at some point.

3) Thinking ahead to = antennas.....I'll=20 need to do something to resonate my 180 ft Inv L . I 'll probably = stick a big=20 loading coil in it somewhere but I have no idea how much L I'll need . = Is=20 there any software out there which will help me with this = ?

Meanwhile I'll press on = with the band=20 pass filter which is not working so well . Time for a tinker = !!

TIA

73,

Vic GW4JUN

Halkyn North Wales=20 IO83JF

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--Boundary_(ID_L6YgW/r+2R23T8wyqEltsA)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236003627633414487 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs252189hue; Wed, 9 May 2007 14:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.27.15 with SMTP id e15mr1524910ugj.1178744914690; Wed, 09 May 2007 14:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id x37si3202881ugc.2007.05.09.14.08.32; Wed, 09 May 2007 14:08:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HltLP-0000RB-WD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 May 2007 22:05:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HltLP-0000R2-Hu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 May 2007 22:05:07 +0100 Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.23]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HltLO-0006HS-9E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 May 2007 22:05:07 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AgAAAKbTQUbUSnILk2dsb2JhbACIJ4YYgTsCAQEHCAYHBR8 Received: from [88.106.30.142] (port=2572 helo=wgt01) by mk-relay-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HltLF-000FiH-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 May 2007 22:04:57 +0100 Message-ID: <003c01c7927d$b3cecbb0$8e1e6a58@wgt01> From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: References: Date: Wed, 9 May 2007 22:04:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.443,MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR=0.276 Subject: LF: Re: RE: 500 khz beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2142 Hi Dave, Tonight it has rained & I notice that the antenna current is well down on last night when dry. I have not re-calculated so the info has not been changed. Also I am calculating ERP from antenna current in the shack so the losses to the antenna will mean radiation at the antenna will be lower, I am playing on the safe side at the moment !!! Thanks for the report. 73 Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ Updated 07/05/2007 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: LF: RE: 500 khz beacon > Hi, Gary, LF, > > Your signals are quite weak, with deep QSB. Clearly visible in QRSS3 mode, > but only audible during peaks of QSB. See attached screenshot. I'd be > surprised if you are actually radiating as much as 75mW, given the > relative > signal strengths of other 500 kHz stations. > > Hope this helps! > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT > Sent: 09 May 2007 21:02 > To: LF (Rsgb LF Group) > Subject: LF: 500 khz beacon > > > Hi All, > > Beacon on again until about 2300z. > > QRSS03 & CW ID etc - 503.600 khz - 75 mW ERP. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ > Updated 07/05/2007 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236325229937303310 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs191616hue; Sun, 13 May 2007 05:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.80.14 with SMTP id d14mr8095407wxb.1179057916079; Sun, 13 May 2007 05:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j1si11632375ugf.2007.05.13.05.05.13; Sun, 13 May 2007 05:05:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HnClq-0000xQ-RP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 13:01:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HnClp-0000xH-UX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 13:01:50 +0100 Received: from mx5.mun.ca ([134.153.232.57] helo=fitzgerald.ucs.mun.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnClo-000714-Cq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 13:01:49 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by fitzgerald.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l4DC1eHu025017 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 09:31:40 -0230 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id l4DC1e5W020002 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 09:31:40 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id l4DC1eoQ019818; Sun, 13 May 2007 09:31:40 -0230 (NDT) Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 09:31:39 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1383581269.20070513121651@gmx.de> Message-ID: References: <1383581269.20070513121651@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 134.153.232.57 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.549 Subject: Re: LF: T/A May, 13th Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2144 Hi Hartmut, Thanks for the copy of the signals. The speed was 6-2/3 WPM -- a new record in transatlantic LF reception. Congrats! Congtrats also to you and John WD1XES for the WOLF reception. 73 Joe On Sun, 13 May 2007, Hartmut Wolff wrote: > Again mostly partial copy of the CW from Joe, VO1NA on 137.777kHz > last night. The signal was present about 00:45-03:00, best around > 02:00. > > Copied the WOLF10 signal from John, WD2XES about 01:30-03:15 > > Captures can be seen here: > > http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm > > > 73 > Hartmut > www.h-wolff.de > Locator: JO52hp > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236325229937303310 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs189382hue; Sun, 13 May 2007 03:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.242.5 with SMTP id p5mr4323011ugh.1179051618728; Sun, 13 May 2007 03:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o24si11404026ugd.2007.05.13.03.20.16; Sun, 13 May 2007 03:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HnB8N-0000RF-Ko for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 11:16:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HnB8N-0000R6-6f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 11:16:59 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnB8K-00031y-9o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 11:16:59 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 13 May 2007 10:16:50 -0000 Received: from p54857f66.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO HW1) [84.133.127.102] by mail.gmx.net (mp042) with SMTP; 13 May 2007 12:16:50 +0200 X-Authenticated: #38158605 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18FuO1wGbAFgN7HopG9Ve9JbeHS2+5WsJl35MlSwl vtbcak3/3D2LtA Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 12:16:51 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1383581269.20070513121651@gmx.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: T/A May, 13th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2145 Again mostly partial copy of the CW from Joe, VO1NA on 137.777kHz last night. The signal was present about 00:45-03:00, best around 02:00. Copied the WOLF10 signal from John, WD2XES about 01:30-03:15 Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm 73 Hartmut www.h-wolff.de Locator: JO52hp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236446867828948856 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs258137hue; Tue, 15 May 2007 00:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.170.6 with SMTP id s6mr2514144hue.1179214993532; Tue, 15 May 2007 00:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 50si12479504ugb.2007.05.15.00.43.10; Tue, 15 May 2007 00:43:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hnrd5-0001D0-C3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 08:39:31 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hnrd4-0001Cr-DA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 08:39:30 +0100 Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.204]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hnrcw-0002QW-3W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 08:39:29 +0100 Received: from G3vtt@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id l.ca4.f57b9b8 (57317) for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 03:39:12 -0400 (EDT) From: G3vtt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 03:39:12 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: 502 Khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1179214752" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2166 -------------------------------1179214752 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 15/05/2007 07:02:44 GMT Standard Time, dave@davesergeant.com writes: On 14 May 2007 at 14:28, G3vtt@aol.com wrote: > I am calling CQ just below 502. Not a sausage around tonight apart > from G3YVF testing his loft antenna for 502! > > Anybody around tonight? > > > > G3VTT Sorry Colin, last night I was down at the Basinstoke club giving a talk on QRP and the K2, a very enjoyable evening. I even showed off the new 500k TX!! (some of them didn't even know we had a band down there). I heard you working Mal and Brian UNT yesterday afternoon and was all set to call one or other of you but then you dragged yourselves off for a landline QSO and that is the last I heard... Now I have the talk out of the way I can spend a little more time trying to get the vertical matching sorted out. You may hear me later (but not as strong as that carrier Alan reported....). 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com All antennas lead to Brachnell! I will qsx during the course of today. GL and well done. 72 Colin VTT (PS My son used to work for 'Infores' in the town centre at Bracknell. He now lives at High Wycombe. -------------------------------1179214752 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 15/05/2007 07:02:44 GMT Standard Time,=20 dave@davesergeant.com writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>On 14=20 May 2007 at 14:28, G3vtt@aol.com wrote:

> I am calling CQ just b= elow=20 502. Not a sausage around tonight apart
> from G3YVF testing h= is=20 loft antenna for 502!
>
> Anybody around tonight?
>=20
>
>
> G3VTT

Sorry Colin, last night I was down= at=20 the Basinstoke club giving a
talk on QRP and the K2, a very enjoyable=20 evening. I even showed off
the new 500k TX!! (some of them didn't even= =20 know we had a band down
there).

I heard you working Mal and Bri= an=20 UNT yesterday afternoon and was all
set to call one or other of you bu= t=20 then you dragged yourselves off
for a landline QSO and that is the las= t I=20 heard...

Now I have the talk out of the way I can spend a little mo= re=20 time
trying to get the vertical matching sorted out. You may hear me l= ater=20
(but not as strong as that carrier Alan reported....).

73 Dave=20 G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com

All antennas lead to Brachnell! I will qsx during the course of today.=20= GL=20 and well done.

Colin VTT (PS My son used to work for 'Infores' in the town centre at=20 Bracknell. He now lives at High Wycombe.

-------------------------------1179214752-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236446867828948856 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs256042hue; Mon, 14 May 2007 23:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.220.12 with SMTP id s12mr5746930ugg.1179209079026; Mon, 14 May 2007 23:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q1si6475536uge.2007.05.14.23.04.34; Mon, 14 May 2007 23:04:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hnq6K-0000iv-Eb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 07:01:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hnq6K-0000im-04 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 07:01:36 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.63]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hnq6H-000533-1D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 07:01:35 +0100 Received: (qmail 4558 invoked from network); 15 May 2007 06:01:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dave) (dsergeant@btinternet.com@86.142.211.181 with login) by smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 May 2007 06:01:27 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: C4fdlK8VM1lGPQOewfU1XHXvQd6sQgtFBWjgRi30RwfTkWRKvZdSGWMgSWogBSt0GzT_0wDs.92Lpa64aKkGfqTIkpZtKlmacrpWO2Owvq4d3noT From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 07:01:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <46495ACB.22618.24B324@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 502 Khz Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2167 On 14 May 2007 at 14:28, G3vtt@aol.com wrote: > I am calling CQ just below 502. Not a sausage around tonight apart > from G3YVF testing his loft antenna for 502! > > Anybody around tonight? > > > > G3VTT Sorry Colin, last night I was down at the Basinstoke club giving a talk on QRP and the K2, a very enjoyable evening. I even showed off the new 500k TX!! (some of them didn't even know we had a band down there). I heard you working Mal and Brian UNT yesterday afternoon and was all set to call one or other of you but then you dragged yourselves off for a landline QSO and that is the last I heard... Now I have the talk out of the way I can spend a little more time trying to get the vertical matching sorted out. You may hear me later (but not as strong as that carrier Alan reported....). 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236446867828948856 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs239234hue; Mon, 14 May 2007 11:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.96.14 with SMTP id y14mr4398901ugl.1179167621631; Mon, 14 May 2007 11:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id a1si14478961ugf.2007.05.14.11.33.39; Mon, 14 May 2007 11:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HnfHo-0005jE-BZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 19:28:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HnfHn-0005j5-VT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 19:28:43 +0100 Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.3] helo=imo-m22.mail.aol.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnfHn-0000Av-5v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 May 2007 19:28:43 +0100 Received: from G3vtt@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id l.c87.117bbdb3 (29672) for ; Mon, 14 May 2007 14:28:31 -0400 (EDT) From: G3vtt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 14:28:31 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: 502 Khz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1179167311" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2168 -------------------------------1179167311 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am calling CQ just below 502. Not a sausage around tonight apart from G3YVF testing his loft antenna for 502! Anybody around tonight? G3VTT -------------------------------1179167311 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I am calling CQ just below 502. Not a sausage around tonight apart from= =20 G3YVF testing his loft antenna for 502!

Anybody around tonight?

G3VTT

-------------------------------1179167311-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237067786237274880 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs229857hue; Mon, 21 May 2007 08:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.29.12 with SMTP id g12mr3472881ugj.1179759776314; Mon, 21 May 2007 08:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q1si7746320uge.2007.05.21.08.02.51; Mon, 21 May 2007 08:02:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hq9LI-0003UC-TO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 15:58:36 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hq9LI-0003U3-HC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 15:58:36 +0100 Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.184.226]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hq9LG-00020M-0F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 15:58:36 +0100 Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id 50so1283482wri for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 07:58:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=pdVPIYrp7ACgeBAzk0wp5jNZko8mGP3yXk0gDy/iigH36foHdzJZXQP1GcHzKcH0McyyBKr8QyWxCEn2o/OMfCsldgXkVwOGS8OMqRQG765w1T8KUl3vYWWHJuAsXr9oq22w+IkYUUcGU6A7VR32axPT7rlRzmHVjkFSJOBz/kA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=YRdLH8yJGLlL/asGHzJzH+4va3fEYcGGZREO1cA9Fg+mwpe+7ip0xzxvqb9bO8KI15YaUPKliL7rg9gWJ9G6gDKJ5jBYYWxLRmdTk/3w4cei226p0bwW8NIe14/+ebS912oCwF7nx6XdeF/uoyRwA52twY3hGThc7LdsfedRnjE= Received: by 10.100.209.10 with SMTP id h10mr3016348ang.1179759512836; Mon, 21 May 2007 07:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.120.15 with HTTP; Mon, 21 May 2007 07:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <88d2415e0705210758s6e977a4ek98d530023eb3c112@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:58:32 +0100 From: "lawrence mayhead" To: rsgb MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_10_20=0.945,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: 500kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_75245_18202602.1179759512773" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2227 ------=_Part_75245_18202602.1179759512773 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Vic, Re. Linear Amp, have a look at design by SM0VPO (Ten Watt Linear Amplifier ) just Google, should find it. I use his basic design just put a few more turns on inductors. 73 Hope see you on 500. Laurie G3AQC. ------=_Part_75245_18202602.1179759512773 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi Vic,
Re. Linear Amp, have a look at design by SM0VPO (Ten Watt Linear Amplifier )
just Google, should find it.
I use his basic design just put a few more turns on inductors.
73 Hope see you on 500.
Laurie G3AQC.
------=_Part_75245_18202602.1179759512773-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236504448996667794 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs263420hue; Tue, 15 May 2007 03:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr5914196ugg.1179225735813; Tue, 15 May 2007 03:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 30si15561323ugf.2007.05.15.03.42.12; Tue, 15 May 2007 03:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HnuS6-000263-Dw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:40:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HnuS5-00025t-Qj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:40:21 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnuS2-0006Fu-W6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 11:40:21 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (cmsout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.32]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFDB25B44 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 10:40:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps04.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.133] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.34P) with ESMTP id XID727LeokOm8113X02; Tue, 15 May 2007 10:40:12 -0000 X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.133 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps04.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID727LeokOm8113X02 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.76.221.70] by cmsapps04.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.31J) with ESMTP id 253LeokOJ0266M40; Tue, 15 May 2007 10:40:09 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.76.221.70 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <46498E0D.9020301@usa.net> Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:40:13 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <615562960705150244v4d2488f2s6a3effb0cf18df59@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <615562960705150244v4d2488f2s6a3effb0cf18df59@mail.gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.3.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID253LeokOJ0266X40 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: A little help! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2260 Manuel Santos Greve wrote: > > 500 kHz frecuency is not authorized in Spain yet. > > Could you send me the individual or general authorization of Germany, > France, Italy or even another European Country? Manuel, it is not authorized in Italy as well... at least for the time being. ARI is doing some pushing, but without too much enthusiasm, IMHO... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236504448996667794 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs262201hue; Tue, 15 May 2007 02:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.224.3 with SMTP id w3mr5872733ugg.1179222535336; Tue, 15 May 2007 02:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id u1si2985932uge.2007.05.15.02.48.52; Tue, 15 May 2007 02:48:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HntZw-0001nb-H7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 10:44:24 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HntZw-0001nS-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 10:44:24 +0100 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.169]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HntZv-00036x-84 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 May 2007 10:44:23 +0100 Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id j3so1094787ugf for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 02:44:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=lN0FSGebwseFpz0brVIabkqQSfedejMFYK2tZZFzYYzw7MO6jiu9crzIMxLYnhNZC3BmW+w01q5hukEAlYp5m5GDMwG6sWeiRU0ggLe7o9Ju9zShDnjbD/bGrw7iloFOurk0y8++G7gjevxrcwJXSDa9grSzZjOZcwN3O3FiVQI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=IE6dYXm4qtJ2ypCXyR5ajZfBKiIY02PY8UFyZXM5dxagm2W9kbYVOYqQxQJt1Xk6WVYAbYNb/CgXN+3rNvX90vQuSPYB+EG4ZkQIHhGMZCfi7bBsgHBLsawBwhdTlsmbZcDmUUlJaU6VYrbEQkBvYcVfWlsuMVXhs28SAlb3HY8= Received: by 10.82.146.14 with SMTP id t14mr3623536bud.1179222262419; Tue, 15 May 2007 02:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.115.19 with HTTP; Tue, 15 May 2007 02:44:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <615562960705150244v4d2488f2s6a3effb0cf18df59@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 11:44:22 +0200 From: "Manuel Santos Greve" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: A little help! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_97442_1316306.1179222262382" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2261 ------=_Part_97442_1316306.1179222262382 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear friends: In Spain, as you know, we have a group of fans of the Long Wave. 500 kHz frecuency is not authorized in Spain yet. To present a request in order to receive permission from the administration in the 500 kHz, it woul be of great help to have the legal texts therefore in other administrations. I would appreciate your collaboration. Could you send me the individual or general authorization of Germany, France, Italy or even another European Country? Thank you for your pronpt news. Sincerely yours. Manuel Santos, EA4BVZ manuel.santosgreve@gmail.com ------=_Part_97442_1316306.1179222262382 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline

Dear friends:

In Spain, as you know, we have a group of fans of the Long Wave.

500 kHz frecuency is not authorized in Spain yet.

To present a request in order to receive permission from the administration in the 500 kHz, it woul be of great help to have the legal texts therefore in other administrations.

I would appreciate your collaboration.

Could you send me the individual or general authorization of Germany, France, Italy or even another European Country?

Thank you for your pronpt news.

Sincerely yours.

Manuel Santos, EA4BVZ

manuel.santosgreve@gmail.com

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nice signal dave

time:19:36 utc

antenne sloper 7 meter

rec.r&schwarz ek891

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1HpA9O-0007iZ-Q6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 22:38:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpA9O-0007iP-E5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 22:38:14 +0100 Received: from proxy45.bvx.cz ([212.96.165.45]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpA9N-00062N-JN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 May 2007 22:38:14 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by proxy45.bvx.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 553E64E6A99 for ; Fri, 18 May 2007 23:40:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at smtp.bvx.cz Received: from proxy45.bvx.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (proxy45.bvx.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b6xU+2GQhepD for ; Fri, 18 May 2007 23:40:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from rtv5f9d8dfdf44 (u-220-36.breclav.lan [192.168.220.36]) by proxy45.bvx.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id F35F84E6A98 for ; Fri, 18 May 2007 23:40:18 +0200 (CEST) From: =?iso-8859-2?Q?Lubom=EDr_Bobal=EDk?= To: Date: Fri, 18 May 2007 23:38:08 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c79994$d37d9220$0600a8c0@rtv5f9d8dfdf44> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2627 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 1.2 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=1.166 Subject: LF: [500] _G3XAQ Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C799A5.97066220" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2292 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C799A5.97066220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sri, but no signal on 502kHz here. I am going to continue listening, may be I can capture some cw later. Bob, OK2BVG ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C799A5.97066220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sri, but no signal on 502kHz here. I am going to = continue listening, may be I can capture some cw = later.

Bob, OK2BVG

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C799A5.97066220-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236998812054939567 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs202943hue; Sun, 20 May 2007 13:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.6 with SMTP id t6mr2891227ugg.1179693996544; Sun, 20 May 2007 13:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j2si4367730ugf.2007.05.20.13.46.34; Sun, 20 May 2007 13:46:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpsEx-0007qO-O2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 21:42:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpsEx-0007qF-7M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 21:42:55 +0100 Received: from mail-in-12.arcor-online.net ([151.189.21.52]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpsEw-0004yn-93 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 21:42:55 +0100 Received: from mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (mail-in-07-z2.arcor-online.net [151.189.8.19]) by mail-in-12.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D514C40A for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 22:42:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (mail-in-03.arcor-online.net [151.189.21.43]) by mail-in-01-z2.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66E1A2C6A03 for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 22:42:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from edgar1ew1re1zt (dslb-088-072-132-108.pools.arcor-ip.net [88.72.132.108]) (Authenticated sender: dl2hre@arcor.de) by mail-in-03.arcor-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84B5330A915 for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 22:42:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000701c79b1f$6db3f470$08a3fea9@edgar1ew1re1zt> From: "dl2hre" To: Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 20:42:48 -0000 Organization: Arcor Online MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: loud signal on 503.3KHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C79B1F.6D332BB0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2295 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C79B1F.6D332BB0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0004_01C79B1F.6D332BB0" ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C79B1F.6D332BB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable who is the station on 503.3KHz transmitting VVVVVVV....?=20 signal started at 2000utc in qrss3 audioable. cpy him S5-6 in jo51tq! =20 Ed DL2HRE ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C79B1F.6D332BB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

who is the station on 503.3KHz = transmitting=20 VVVVVVV....?

signal started at 2000utc in qrss3 = audioable. cpy=20 him S5-6 in jo51tq!

Ed DL2HRE

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(dialin-nbg-166.fen-net.de [212.204.117.46]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id l4FAY7RF022038 for ; Tue, 15 May 2007 12:34:07 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <004201c796dd$e94c9ec0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: Date: Tue, 15 May 2007 12:43:44 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.4, clamav-milter version 0.88.4 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: A little help! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01C796EE.AC5FF0A0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2311 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C796EE.AC5FF0A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Manuel, in Germany it is impossible to get a permit for ham radio = operation around 500kHz, because there is no ham radio allocation. But = we can have an experimental permit for research and test ( DI-prefix, = extra money ). We do "propagation studies with low power and computer-based modulation = an receiving" ( CW, QRSS, PSK etc. , small bandwidth ). The permit is = valid one year, but can be extended. I have it since 1.1.05. First on = 440kHz, now on 505,1kHz+/-100Hz.=20 73 Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: Manuel Santos Greve An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Dienstag, 15. Mai 2007 11:40 Betreff: LF: A little help! Dear friends: In Spain, as you know, we have a group of fans of the Long Wave. 500 kHz frecuency is not authorized in Spain yet. To present a request in order to receive permission from the = administration in the 500 kHz, it woul be of great help to have the = legal texts therefore in other administrations. I would appreciate your collaboration. Could you send me the individual or general authorization of Germany, = France, Italy or even another European Country? Thank you for your pronpt news. Sincerely yours. Manuel Santos, EA4BVZ manuel.santosgreve@gmail.com ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C796EE.AC5FF0A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Manuel,

in=20 Germany it is impossible to get a permit for ham radio operation around = 500kHz,=20 because there is no ham radio allocation. But we can have an = experimental permit=20 for research and test ( DI-prefix, extra money ).

We do "propagation studies with low power and = computer-based=20 modulation an receiving" ( CW, QRSS, PSK etc. , small bandwidth ). The = permit is=20 valid one year, but can be extended. I have it since 1.1.05. First on = 440kHz,=20 now on 505,1kHz+/-100Hz.

73 Walter DI2AG /=20 DJ2LF

-----Urspr=FCngliche=20 Nachricht-----
Von: Manuel Santos Greve <manuel.santosgreve@gmail.com= >
An:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
Datum:=20 Dienstag, 15. Mai 2007 11:40
Betreff: LF: A little=20 help!

Dear friends:

In Spain, as you know, we have a group of fans of the Long = Wave.

500 kHz frecuency is not authorized in Spain yet.

To present a request in order to receive permission from the=20 administration in the 500 kHz, it woul be of great help to have the = legal=20 texts therefore in other administrations.

I would appreciate your collaboration.

Could you send me the individual or general authorization of = Germany,=20 France, Italy or even another European Country?

Thank you for your pronpt news.

Sincerely yours.

Manuel Santos, EA4BVZ

manuel.santosgreve@gmail.com=

------=_NextPart_000_003F_01C796EE.AC5FF0A0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235857303480039491 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs212109hue; Tue, 8 May 2007 11:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.222.11 with SMTP id z11mr5735288qbq.1178648058348; Tue, 08 May 2007 11:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id e10si7078349qbe.2007.05.08.11.14.13; Tue, 08 May 2007 11:14:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HlU9A-0005hB-8s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 19:10:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HlU99-0005h2-Rp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 19:10:47 +0100 Received: from mx4.mun.ca ([134.153.232.56] helo=ella.ucs.mun.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HlU98-00027a-CM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 19:10:47 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by ella.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l48IAPMB026255 for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 15:40:25 -0230 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id l48IAP5W013502 for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 15:40:25 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id l48IAPav013128; Tue, 8 May 2007 15:40:25 -0230 (NDT) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 15:40:24 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <139906013.20070508191721@gmx.de> Message-ID: References: <4640165E.30003@gmx.de> <139906013.20070508191721@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 134.153.232.56 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.560 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA 5wpm CW Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2312 Hartmut, Thank-you for this. The filter must be very narrow indeed as no trace of DCF39 could be heard. Considering how close DCF39 is to you, this is exceptionally good work in LF receiving. Congrats ! Alan's forecast for tonight is not a glowing one so I'll save the kWh for another night and take a listen on 136.318 kHz +-2 Hz for anyone who hasn't QSYed to MF yet. 73 to all Joe VO1NA On Tue, 8 May 2007, Hartmut Wolff wrote: > Joe and group, > > > Do you have an MP3 audio file of the signals? > > I posted a mp3 audio file of about 3min (size 464k)to my website: > > http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm > > This audio file was recorded with a very narrow audiofilter. > > 73 > Hartmut > www.h-wolff.de > Locator: JO52hp > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235857303480039491 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs210861hue; Tue, 8 May 2007 10:31:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.206.7 with SMTP id i7mr12606674qbq.1178645462795; Tue, 08 May 2007 10:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id a5si7002831qbd.2007.05.08.10.30.57; Tue, 08 May 2007 10:31:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HlTJl-0005YJ-Ia for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 18:17:41 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HlTJk-0005YA-CL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 18:17:40 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HlTJd-0005zC-Nu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 18:17:38 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 May 2007 17:17:24 -0000 Received: from p54857DB2.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO HW1) [84.133.125.178] by mail.gmx.net (mp056) with SMTP; 08 May 2007 19:17:24 +0200 X-Authenticated: #38158605 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+NvFkj03uNFHfV9l7o4hI4A8Lj8L4j5TxIT3gh/m Y7MOS3XoBuDjCO Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 19:17:21 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <139906013.20070508191721@gmx.de> To: Joe Craig In-Reply-To: References: <4640165E.30003@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA 5wpm CW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2313 Joe and group, > Do you have an MP3 audio file of the signals? I posted a mp3 audio file of about 3min (size 464k)to my website: http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm This audio file was recorded with a very narrow audiofilter. 73 Hartmut www.h-wolff.de Locator: JO52hp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235857303480039491 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs198606hue; Tue, 8 May 2007 03:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.71.15 with SMTP id y15mr374455ugk.1178620794349; Tue, 08 May 2007 03:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id h1si449524ugf.2007.05.08.03.39.50; Tue, 08 May 2007 03:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HlN40-0004v0-Nu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 11:37:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HlN40-0004un-2R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 11:37:00 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.66]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HlN3w-00014R-44 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 11:36:59 +0100 Received: (qmail 52605 invoked from network); 8 May 2007 10:36:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=5pgcwzzaGnL26gJ3CI7qxu19UgtsQvqTEsOlZc0zQgPFJASWQiEcyxNEwctMz04kpFwhi//0w6pVgPEhqmMjXuYhtxG8PG6iFsm0pxcTWL2+XD/OIrL7UBlMmDiTLK1Vp9KXA1K2KLoVCHikT6x9EprL0WOxMyHrciH+hC6SktU= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.26.122 with login) by smtp806.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 May 2007 10:36:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: UtBfuzYVM1mIpvTPlz9aIw4VWR9vYCMHPXqaWQucpqdSRqHX2mpxYYh4KAUNWC698RgQXgOI5_5KTR0ryu6puvDZaymjY.cb39bTB1LYfI46hPgr Message-ID: <003e01c7915c$c5374160$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <4640165E.30003@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 11:34:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.406 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA 5wpm CW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2314 Hi Joe and Harmut congratulations on that capture, it was at a very similar time that DCF39 peaked on Steve W3EEE's plot. My guess is that conditions will be slightly down now for a few days but it should not be toobad....not a disaster !....the Dst only dropped to -35nT although the Kp reached 5. Well done Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Craig To: Sent: 08 May 2007 11:10 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA 5wpm CW > Hartmut and group, > > That's quite impressive! It seems the work on the > antenna and ground has not been im vain. > > The antenna current was 4.7 amps with 1000 watts DC input > to the Decca amp connected to a large ferrite matching > transformer, a 50-200 uH variometer and 2 pie wound Litz > coils to tune a 100 metre wire at 10 metres high. > > Do you have an MP3 audio file of the signals? > > Many thanks > Joe > > On Tue, 8 May 2007, Hartmut Wolff wrote: > > > Copied the 5 wpm CW here in Germany about 02:00-03:00 UTC. Attached a > > screenshot taken at 02:34 UTC. > > > > 73 > > Hartmut > > www.h-wolff.de > > Locator: JO52hp > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235857303480039491 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs197987hue; Tue, 8 May 2007 03:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.158.12 with SMTP id g12mr11407532bue.1178619378856; Tue, 08 May 2007 03:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 59si528203ugf.2007.05.08.03.16.16; Tue, 08 May 2007 03:16:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HlMeD-0004kn-PI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 11:10:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HlMeD-0004ke-0t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 11:10:21 +0100 Received: from mx4.mun.ca ([134.153.232.56] helo=ella.ucs.mun.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HlMeB-00010F-Kv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 11:10:20 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by ella.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l48AAArh009039 for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 07:40:10 -0230 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id l48AA95W020722 for ; Tue, 8 May 2007 07:40:10 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id l48AA35W027548; Tue, 8 May 2007 07:40:03 -0230 (NDT) Date: Tue, 8 May 2007 07:40:02 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <4640165E.30003@gmx.de> Message-ID: References: <4640165E.30003@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 134.153.232.56 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.571 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA 5wpm CW Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2315 Hartmut and group, That's quite impressive! It seems the work on the antenna and ground has not been im vain. The antenna current was 4.7 amps with 1000 watts DC input to the Decca amp connected to a large ferrite matching transformer, a 50-200 uH variometer and 2 pie wound Litz coils to tune a 100 metre wire at 10 metres high. Do you have an MP3 audio file of the signals? Many thanks Joe On Tue, 8 May 2007, Hartmut Wolff wrote: > Copied the 5 wpm CW here in Germany about 02:00-03:00 UTC. Attached a > screenshot taken at 02:34 UTC. > > 73 > Hartmut > www.h-wolff.de > Locator: JO52hp > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235857303480039491 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs192330hue; Mon, 7 May 2007 23:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.98.9 with SMTP id a9mr277177ugm.1178605369227; Mon, 07 May 2007 23:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 29si81292uga.2007.05.07.23.22.30; Mon, 07 May 2007 23:22:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HlJ2m-00044J-GT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 07:19:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HlJ2l-00044A-To for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 07:19:27 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HlJ2k-0000VI-H7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 07:19:27 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 08 May 2007 06:19:19 -0000 Received: from p548665E0.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.103.48]) [84.134.101.224] by mail.gmx.net (mp008) with SMTP; 08 May 2007 08:19:19 +0200 X-Authenticated: #38158605 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18SN3MssqIS0whpFvHxflxtnu2F0CWExja6DRFolY RcXZEzBknW0TPZ Message-ID: <4640165E.30003@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 08 May 2007 08:19:10 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: VO1NA 5wpm CW Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000203020409030802000000" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2316 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000203020409030802000000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Copied the 5 wpm CW here in Germany about 02:00-03:00 UTC. 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X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2326 Hi Uwe, No answer, and I made the same post on the LWCA list, and the Premium Receiver list also. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2 FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de > Zitat von k2ors@comcast.net: > > > Hello the list, > > > > Anyone have a manual or schematic for a Rycom 6040 selective level meter? > > > > > > -- > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2 > > FN42hi > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > > > Hi Warren, > did you get any reasonable answer? > Im intrested because I use the selective level meter RYCOM R1307 > and - too - dont have any schematic. > best regards > Uwe/dj8wx/di2be > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237013716442733297 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs13679hue; Wed, 30 May 2007 08:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.158.12 with SMTP id g12mr14156403bue.1180537629144; Wed, 30 May 2007 08:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id d2si50159nfc.2007.05.30.08.06.48; Wed, 30 May 2007 08:07:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HtPdp-0007bn-Uc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 May 2007 15:59:13 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16:59:06 +0200 From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <052120070039.13726.4650EA5D000999410000359E22007507840B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <052120070039.13726.4650EA5D000999410000359E22007507840B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: Rycom 6040 Manual Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2327 Zitat von k2ors@comcast.net: > Hello the list, > > Anyone have a manual or schematic for a Rycom 6040 selective level meter? > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2 > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > Hi Warren, did you get any reasonable answer? Im intrested because I use the selective level meter RYCOM R1307 and - too - dont have any schematic. best regards Uwe/dj8wx/di2be From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237013716442733297 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs206720hue; Sun, 20 May 2007 17:43:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.242.19 with SMTP id p19mr3005344ugh.1179708210638; Sun, 20 May 2007 17:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 50si4524704ugb.2007.05.20.17.43.28; Sun, 20 May 2007 17:43:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hpvwh-0001IN-1b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 01:40:19 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hpvwg-0001IE-Js for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 01:40:18 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.152]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hpvwe-0006RA-Ib for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 01:40:18 +0100 Received: from rmailcenter08.comcast.net ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20070521003959m12006sf05e>; Mon, 21 May 2007 00:40:09 +0000 Received: from [24.91.125.179] by rmailcenter08.comcast.net; Mon, 21 May 2007 00:39:57 +0000 From: k2ors@comcast.net To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 00:39:57 +0000 Message-Id: <052120070039.13726.4650EA5D000999410000359E22007507840B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Oct 4 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: LF: Rycom 6040 Manual X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2328 Hello the list, Anyone have a manual or schematic for a Rycom 6040 selective level meter? -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23/WE2XEB/2 FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235628528240081437 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs116931hue; Sat, 5 May 2007 10:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.28.9 with SMTP id f9mr3657321ugj.1178387193044; Sat, 05 May 2007 10:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 53si7840376ugn.2007.05.05.10.46.30; Sat, 05 May 2007 10:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HkOIe-0000iZ-SE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 18:44:04 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HkOIe-0000iQ-B4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 18:44:04 +0100 Received: from smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.70]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HkOId-0008Gn-IZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 May 2007 18:44:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 82718 invoked from network); 5 May 2007 17:43:58 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=4jaMtDgmWYS2NIZCmHIqSjlW4my2whmzYx67VY3/3Cb/8gPcdqOIa6nJ4ow95rCITcozrnqM2EnFzDno2u+FyACrNTyidltR7GOi1JPOfc90nUZ4TxTmqFJHRVESODla7h2ez7dFUGW1M7gsgN6w2zID3uf4zNksJNs5VlhntYQ= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.12.8 with login) by smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2007 17:43:57 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: fwJa1nQVM1kP15SEqFel1bM5sdqqqmoi5pfIhXjlWWSafdpLCUvNji2js4mD.2nuoKCd0w40xQ-- Message-ID: <002801c78f3c$f995c3e0$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <405452.30291.qm@web86408.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 18:43:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Field Strength Meter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2329 Hi Chris Dick usually monitors the group but I am sure he would not mind me passing his emal address to you. I am sure he will be keen to help you adapt his instrument to 500kHz E-mail Address(es): dickrollema@casema.nl Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: CHRISTOPHER OSBORN To: LF group Sent: 05 May 2007 18:29 Subject: LF: Field Strength Meter > Has anyone built the field strength meter from the 'LF Experimenter's Handbook' (p 83) ? > I intend to make a similar one but for the 500 kHz band, however a couple of things in the artical are confusing me: > (1) > The formula (3) for a Helmholtz coil pair gives H = I / (1.40 * r ) > where I is the coils' current in Amperes and r the coils' radii in metres. > Looking on the internet the Helmholtz formula also includes the permeablility of free space - 4 * PI * 10 ^ -7 !! so is there a misprint ? > (2) > The artical gives the required magnetic field to equate to an electric field strength of 5 mV / m as being 13.3 uA / m > I follow the working for this ok but if the Helmholtz coils are being fed from a signal generator with a series 50 ohms resistor surely the output voltage setting would be impracticably low - about 540 uV ( I think ) > > I can make the Helmholtz coils as per the artical (i.e. with radii of 0.292 m) so what signal generator setting would I need to generate the required field strength of 13.3 uA / m and how would I achieve this ? > Any lessons learned by members of LF Group while making this meter would be much appreciated. > > 73 Chris G3XIZ > > > > > --------------------------------- > Yahoo! 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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235903336912458790 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs212781hue; Tue, 8 May 2007 11:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.91.15 with SMTP id o15mr12682950qbb.1178649271162; Tue, 08 May 2007 11:34:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id p4si7121721qba.2007.05.08.11.34.27; Tue, 08 May 2007 11:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HlURb-0005oO-Jb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 19:29:51 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HlURb-0005oF-50 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 19:29:51 +0100 Received: from mx33.mail.ru ([194.67.23.194]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HlURa-0006JF-1w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2330 Hi LF's Andy EW6GB on 137711 qrss3 Dmitry From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235724391296398548 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs144154hue; Sun, 6 May 2007 12:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.90.3 with SMTP id n3mr4481631agb.1178478614674; Sun, 06 May 2007 12:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 8si5896862agd.2007.05.06.12.10.11; Sun, 06 May 2007 12:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hkm40-0005sq-V4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 May 2007 20:06:32 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hkm40-0005sh-Af for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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2007 21:39:43 +0100 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002701c79ad3$93e517b0$aa7ba8c0@ACER> In-Reply-To: <002701c79ad3$93e517b0$aa7ba8c0@ACER> X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=0.327 Subject: Re: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): xes.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2354 Henny, Yes, that was XES last night. Hartmut had good copy of it as well. It was on the air from 0000 to 0227 UTC. If the weather is OK, I will run it again tonight. Thanks for the report. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES henny van elst wrote: > *traces xes ?* From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236964678287678142 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs193001hue; Sun, 20 May 2007 04:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.115.7 with SMTP id s7mr2577497ugm.1179661444098; Sun, 20 May 2007 04:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j1si5646159ugf.2007.05.20.04.43.59; Sun, 20 May 2007 04:44:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpjlY-0006BL-An for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 12:40:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpjlX-0006BC-Vu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 12:39:59 +0100 Received: from psmtp02.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpjlX-0001iC-5d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 12:39:59 +0100 Received: from ACER (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp02.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.15 (built Nov 14 2006)) with SMTP id <0JIC00LWE8EH1S@psmtp02.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 May 2007 13:39:53 +0200 (MEST) Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 13:39:51 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <002701c79ad3$93e517b0$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): xes.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_KT+Ibc65JcqFhgXDmhA7jg)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2355 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_KT+Ibc65JcqFhgXDmhA7jg) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_NLeWj28Hnqh765eUo0PRkg)" --Boundary_(ID_NLeWj28Hnqh765eUo0PRkg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT traces xes ? antenne 7meter sloper rec.rohde&schwarz henny pa3cpm jo22mb time:2:30 utc best 73 . --Boundary_(ID_NLeWj28Hnqh765eUo0PRkg) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

traces xes ?

antenne 7meter sloper

rec.rohde&schwarz

henny pa3cpm

jo22mb

time:2:30 utc

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charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2362 Hi Hartmut, I hope we can be active next year! Congrats on your good reception and observing both the error in the year (the date was wrong too!) and the keying. The latter was actually your's truly peaking the aerial current with the variometer. Will try again tonight at a higher CW speed. Thanks to Alan for his accurate predictions which are calling for another good night so we'll try even faster CW from 0001-1000 13 May 2007 137.777 kHz. 73 Joe On Sat, 12 May 2007, Hartmut Wolff wrote: > > Alan's latest predictions call for favourable conditions > > so VO1NA will transmit 5 WPM with 1.0 kW input, 4.7 amps to the > > aerial on 137.777 kHz from 0001 - 1000 UTC 11 May 2008. > > Joe, > nice to see you will be active next year, too ;-). > Mostly partial copy of the 5wpm CW on the 12 May 2007, best around > 00:30 and 01:55. Just after 02:00 brief failing of the keyer. > > Captures can be seen here: > > http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm > > > 73 > Hartmut > www.h-wolff.de > Locator: JO52hp > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236189300410565195 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs162741hue; Sat, 12 May 2007 02:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.225.1 with SMTP id x1mr3540375ugg.1178962939504; Sat, 12 May 2007 02:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id g30si9226731ugd.2007.05.12.02.42.16; Sat, 12 May 2007 02:42:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hmo4m-0001D9-0a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 10:39:44 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hmo4l-0001D0-Iy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 10:39:43 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.73]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hmo4h-0003k4-So for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 10:39:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 5687 invoked from network); 12 May 2007 09:39:34 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:x-mimeole; b=QkKHCCLwxpA5cLSHcip6QaPuUegP1BsZR/PATiG1Z/2+iQunwYJFm7BWdYOWUn+oQ6Ad0+tiyU+qu/O/3TGzAtKUF7ZqpPCc68JPHF3gphcjMf88VmeLpzzTPV6VZRpy1ZKgV3DHyLUZWOrteaFe1tMzqlJVeLicloqu+5hNARc= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.34.194 with login) by smtp813.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 May 2007 09:39:34 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 4NPSpJgVM1mEAb5b0CoX9T1f.5K17wwHMNwJ8WJ4soRmDFHGRqgYOAYtJ7PG.Pta2MeaZc8zA28zq4Fljy8V6xLHFfX7OBHkN1L_NJe.2tO2myMS Message-ID: <001f01c79479$76cabbe0$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <1751305265.20070512104213@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:39:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 5 WPM Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2363 Hi Joe and Hartmut, It seems my prediction worked for the DCF30>>W3EEE path, but was not so favourable for Joe on the shorter route ! It just shows there is a bit of luck in getting it right and at this time of year there is only a short window so you only get one chance, unlike winter when it sunset doesnt work maybe pre-dawn will. Well done Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Hartmut Wolff To: Joe Craig Sent: 12 May 2007 09:42 Subject: Re: LF: 5 WPM Again > > Alan's latest predictions call for favourable conditions > > so VO1NA will transmit 5 WPM with 1.0 kW input, 4.7 amps to the > > aerial on 137.777 kHz from 0001 - 1000 UTC 11 May 2008. > > Joe, > nice to see you will be active next year, too ;-). > Mostly partial copy of the 5wpm CW on the 12 May 2007, best around > 00:30 and 01:55. Just after 02:00 brief failing of the keyer. > > Captures can be seen here: > > http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm > > > 73 > Hartmut > www.h-wolff.de > Locator: JO52hp > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236189300410565195 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs161680hue; Sat, 12 May 2007 01:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.6 with SMTP id t6mr3506176ugg.1178959691576; Sat, 12 May 2007 01:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id z40si7562730ugc.2007.05.12.01.48.09; Sat, 12 May 2007 01:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HmnBI-0000tR-8v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 09:42:24 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HmnBH-0000tI-PC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 09:42:23 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HmnBE-0003Xw-Po for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 09:42:23 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 12 May 2007 08:42:15 -0000 Received: from p54855AD1.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO HW1) [84.133.90.209] by mail.gmx.net (mp002) with SMTP; 12 May 2007 10:42:15 +0200 X-Authenticated: #38158605 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19mHNl5MtBmWGJNF8UJ0wG1TQbBXhUQCKcinyrrVm 5qTiahadc6Usr8 Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 10:42:13 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1751305265.20070512104213@gmx.de> To: Joe Craig In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 5 WPM Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2364 > Alan's latest predictions call for favourable conditions > so VO1NA will transmit 5 WPM with 1.0 kW input, 4.7 amps to the > aerial on 137.777 kHz from 0001 - 1000 UTC 11 May 2008. Joe, nice to see you will be active next year, too ;-). Mostly partial copy of the 5wpm CW on the 12 May 2007, best around 00:30 and 01:55. Just after 02:00 brief failing of the keyer. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm 73 Hartmut www.h-wolff.de Locator: JO52hp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236189300410565195 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs328436hue; Fri, 11 May 2007 15:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.115.11 with SMTP id s11mr2938976ugm.1178921986090; Fri, 11 May 2007 15:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id m1si6701811ugc.2007.05.11.15.19.43; Fri, 11 May 2007 15:19:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HmdPe-0007yk-KG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 23:16:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HmdPe-0007yb-2N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 23:16:34 +0100 Received: from mx4.mun.ca ([134.153.232.56] helo=ella.ucs.mun.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HmdPd-0000KB-6P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 May 2007 23:16:34 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by ella.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l4BMGQ6k012333 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 19:46:26 -0230 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id l4BMGP5W023695 for ; Fri, 11 May 2007 19:46:25 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id l4BMGPf9025907; Fri, 11 May 2007 19:46:25 -0230 (NDT) Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 19:46:24 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 134.153.232.56 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 5 WPM Again Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2365 Dear Group, Alan's latest predictions call for favourable conditions so VO1NA will transmit 5 WPM with 1.0 kW input, 4.7 amps to the aerial on 137.777 kHz from 0001 - 1000 UTC 11 May 2008. 73 Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236901597291633282 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs246173hue; Mon, 21 May 2007 16:59:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.25.9 with SMTP id c9mr166987ugj.1179791960826; Mon, 21 May 2007 16:59:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 55si373403ugq.2007.05.21.16.59.18; 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Mon, 21 May 2007 21:25:09 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id l4LNt8gQ006856; Mon, 21 May 2007 21:25:08 -0230 (NDT) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 21:25:08 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1193305496.20070519205742@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 134.153.232.56 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: T/A May, 19th Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2420 Sorry, but VO1NA will not be on the air tonight as previously announced. Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236901597291633282 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs239675hue; Mon, 21 May 2007 13:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.121.18 with SMTP id y18mr40072ugm.1179778202029; Mon, 21 May 2007 13:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id m1si57785uge.2007.05.21.13.09.59; Mon, 21 May 2007 13:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqE7J-000432-Js for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 21:04:29 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqE7I-00042t-Vv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 21:04:29 +0100 Received: from mx5.mun.ca ([134.153.232.57] helo=fitzgerald.ucs.mun.ca) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqE7E-0003Ls-Ue for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 21:04:28 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by fitzgerald.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l4LK4Dpt013553 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 17:34:13 -0230 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id l4LK4D5W014851 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 17:34:13 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id l4LK4C1O025099; Mon, 21 May 2007 17:34:12 -0230 (NDT) Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:34:11 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1193305496.20070519205742@gmx.de> Message-ID: References: <1193305496.20070519205742@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 134.153.232.57 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: T/A May, 19th Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2421 Hi Hartmut and Group, Thanks for monitoring. Will be on again tonight, 10 WPM. Hope the QRN improves. 73 Joe On Sat, 19 May 2007, Hartmut Wolff wrote: > High QRN level last night. Copied one full "XES" in DFCW on 137.779. > On 137.777 I captured only a few not readable traces on the 10wpm > screen around 01:50. > > A Capture of XES can be seen here: > > http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm > > > 73 > Hartmut > www.h-wolff.de > Locator: JO52hp > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236901597291633282 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs173846hue; Sat, 19 May 2007 12:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.30.6 with SMTP id h6mr2043673ugj.1179601285417; Sat, 19 May 2007 12:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id m1si3099634ugc.2007.05.19.12.01.22; Sat, 19 May 2007 12:01:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpU7k-00036N-JD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 19:57:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpU7k-00036E-6j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 19:57:52 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpU7i-0008W6-Jt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 19:57:51 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 May 2007 18:57:44 -0000 Received: from p54857349.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO HW1) [84.133.115.73] by mail.gmx.net (mp048) with SMTP; 19 May 2007 20:57:44 +0200 X-Authenticated: #38158605 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX191lFkdp+Z1EI880MlWBxeDN8pPCPDkLwSJK3Lezd QxSbWg4lhJYqyV Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 20:57:42 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1193305496.20070519205742@gmx.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.164,RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=0.327 Subject: LF: T/A May, 19th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2422 High QRN level last night. Copied one full "XES" in DFCW on 137.779. On 137.777 I captured only a few not readable traces on the 10wpm screen around 01:50. A Capture of XES can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm 73 Hartmut www.h-wolff.de Locator: JO52hp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237077777621314064 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs258071hue; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:31:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.249.16 with SMTP id w16mr394636ugh.1179819065399; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j1si1016570ugf.2007.05.22.00.31.00; Tue, 22 May 2007 00:31:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqOlu-0005Sd-8t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:27:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqOlt-0005SU-PB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:27:05 +0100 Received: from nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqOlq-0003P8-Di for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 May 2007 08:27:05 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E997E4D728 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:26:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp02.kuleuven.be (lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.72]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21DAB4D565 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:26:56 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp02.kuleuven.be (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 276502CAB2C; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:26:53 +0200 (CEST) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by smtp02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9ADE2CAAD6 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:26:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 09:28:30 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: References: <000701c79bce$99ad2ce0$72e4fc3e@g3kev> <20070521222332.grmmadm1jf48ssg0@webmail3.kuleuven.be> Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20070522072652.E9ADE2CAAD6@smtp02.kuleuven.be> X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Distance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2432 Hi Alan, >In message <20070521222332.grmmadm1jf48ssg0@webmail3.kuleuven.be>, >Rik Strobbe writes >>Why would one need an "antenna farm" with an ERP (EIRP ?) limit of 0.1 Watt? > >I think it's because small/low aerials lose more signal to >surrounding ground clutter than do big/high aerials. I don't believe >that trees, buildings and hills necessarily appear as part of the >loss resistance you mention. That's true, greenery or buildings can cause extra losses. But this can be compensated by more TX power. Measurements on 136 kHz have shown that additional losses often are in the range of 3 to 6 dB. I guess that this will be less on 500 kHz. It just would mean that you need 50 Watt instead of 25 Watt. >>On the other hand using narrowband modes will give easily give a 5 >>to 10 dB improvement of CW. > >Nobody disagrees with you. What Mal said was "there is no need to >use QRS to be heard around EU". It seems a shame to use a slow mode >if a given path supports a faster one. Shame? Shouldn't anyone be "free" to operate the mode he (or she) prefers? Without any mode being superior to another? And without receiving negative comments (such as naming QRS "Lazy Mans cw.")? To avoid misunderstanding: my HF logbook is filled for about 50% with CW QSO's, for sure I am not anti-CW. But nut anti any other mode either. 73, Rik ON7YD >-- > >Cheers, > >Alan G3XAQ >alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237077777621314064 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs244701hue; Mon, 21 May 2007 15:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.29.12 with SMTP id g12mr120409ugj.1179787671234; Mon, 21 May 2007 15:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 5si209742ugc.2007.05.21.15.47.48; Mon, 21 May 2007 15:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqGc7-0004Qw-6G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 23:44:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqGc6-0004Qn-PI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 23:44:26 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.92]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqGc3-0004Qt-0K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 23:44:26 +0100 Received: from g3xaq.demon.co.uk ([80.176.129.138]) by anchor-post-34.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HqGc1-000Mk2-Ex for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 22:44:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:43:02 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Alan Ibbetson References: <000701c79bce$99ad2ce0$72e4fc3e@g3kev> <20070521222332.grmmadm1jf48ssg0@webmail3.kuleuven.be> In-Reply-To: <20070521222332.grmmadm1jf48ssg0@webmail3.kuleuven.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-S (<7JhEZ1+aE9U3ka1scEfXKvpP2j>) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.336 Subject: Re: LF: Distance Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2433 Hello Rik, In message <20070521222332.grmmadm1jf48ssg0@webmail3.kuleuven.be>, Rik Strobbe writes >Why would one need an "antenna farm" with an ERP (EIRP ?) limit of 0.1 Watt? I think it's because small/low aerials lose more signal to surrounding ground clutter than do big/high aerials. I don't believe that trees, buildings and hills necessarily appear as part of the loss resistance you mention. >On the other hand using narrowband modes will give easily give a 5 to >10 dB improvement of CW. Nobody disagrees with you. What Mal said was "there is no need to use QRS to be heard around EU". It seems a shame to use a slow mode if a given path supports a faster one. -- Cheers, Alan G3XAQ alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237077777621314064 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs240091hue; Mon, 21 May 2007 13:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.116.3 with SMTP id t3mr24634ugm.1179779216327; Mon, 21 May 2007 13:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o30si81399ugd.2007.05.21.13.26.52; Mon, 21 May 2007 13:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqEPi-00049T-7n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 21:23:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqEPh-00049K-Lb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 21:23:29 +0100 Received: from thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.45]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqEPd-00048R-HG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 21:23:29 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8C2F1380EC for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 22:23:19 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp02.kuleuven.be (lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.72]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F881384F9 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 22:23:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp02.kuleuven.be (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDF12CAB14; Mon, 21 May 2007 22:23:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: from webmail1.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (webmail1.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.3]) by smtp02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 771E62CAACB for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 22:23:16 +0200 (CEST) Received: by webmail1.cc.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix, from userid 65534) id 080981A9834; Mon, 21 May 2007 22:23:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 125.46-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be (125.46-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be [81.241.46.125]) by webmail3.kuleuven.be (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 21 May 2007 22:23:32 +0200 Message-ID: <20070521222332.grmmadm1jf48ssg0@webmail3.kuleuven.be> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:23:32 +0200 From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c79bce$99ad2ce0$72e4fc3e@g3kev> In-Reply-To: <000701c79bce$99ad2ce0$72e4fc3e@g3kev> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.1.2) X-Originating-IP: 81.241.46.125 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.017 Subject: Re: LF: Distance Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2434 Why would one need an "antenna farm" with an ERP (EIRP ?) limit of 0.1 Watt? Even a small backyard antenna such as a 8 m high and 8 m topload =20 T-antenna has a radiation resistance of about 0.15 Ohm. Taking into account a gain of 2.63 dBd (4.78 dBi) the antennacurrent =20 needed for 0.1 W ERP is only 0.6 A and for 0.1 W EIRP even only 0.47 A. Assuming a loss resistance of 40 Ohm the required TX power is 15 W =20 (for 0.1 W ERP) or 9 W (for 0.1 W EIRP). So there is no advantage using big antennas , except that you will =20 need only 1 W TX power instead of 15 W. At least if you stick to the =20 0.1 W ERP limit. On the other hand using narrowband modes will give easily give a 5 to =20 10 dB improvement of CW. 73, Rik ON7YD Quoting hamilton mal : > Hi All > There is no need to use QRS to be heard/seen around EU. Uk stns have been > heard around EU on normal CW especially after dark. GI4DPE and myself G3KE= V > have been hrd in Spain/Italy and YU but to mention a few places. > Concentrate on CW and your antenna farm and avoid Lazy Mans cw. > > de Mal/G3KEV > > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237077777621314064 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs234833hue; Mon, 21 May 2007 10:41:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.116.1 with SMTP id t1mr3550340ugm.1179769304735; Mon, 21 May 2007 10:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 5si2028415ugc.2007.05.21.10.41.40; Mon, 21 May 2007 10:41:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqBoX-0003nR-9p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 18:36:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqBoW-0003nI-U8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 18:36:56 +0100 Received: from smtpout0129.sc1.he.tucows.com ([64.97.136.129] helo=n082.sc1.he.tucows.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqBoT-00063p-6z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 18:36:56 +0100 Received: from g3kev (62.252.228.114) by n082.sc1.he.tucows.com (7.2.069.1) id 4630CFCB001F52B6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 17:36:42 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c79bce$99ad2ce0$72e4fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: "rsgb" Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 17:36:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Distance Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2435 Hi All There is no need to use QRS to be heard/seen around EU. Uk stns have been heard around EU on normal CW especially after dark. GI4DPE and myself G3KEV have been hrd in Spain/Italy and YU but to mention a few places. Concentrate on CW and your antenna farm and avoid Lazy Mans cw. de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235807377922652729 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs178615hue; Mon, 7 May 2007 12:07:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.36.3 with SMTP id j3mr1268003agj.1178564829687; Mon, 07 May 2007 12:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 39si7486263agb.2007.05.07.12.07.06; Mon, 07 May 2007 12:07:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hl8VZ-00029x-82 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 May 2007 20:04:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hl8VY-00029o-TJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 May 2007 20:04:28 +0100 Received: from mx4.mun.ca ([134.153.232.56] helo=ella.ucs.mun.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hl8VV-0000hy-3e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 May 2007 20:04:28 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by ella.ucs.mun.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id l47J4HV5002549 for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 16:34:17 -0230 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id l47J4H5W010363 for ; Mon, 7 May 2007 16:34:17 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id l47J4HCE013623; Mon, 7 May 2007 16:34:17 -0230 (NDT) Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 16:34:16 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <761608682.20070507190406@gmx.de> Message-ID: References: <761608682.20070507190406@gmx.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -1.4 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.57 on 134.153.232.56 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA last night Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2450 Hartmut an Henny, PA3CPM, Thank-you for the signal reports. Alan thinks there's a chance for favourable propagation so the 5 WPM (4.7 amps) will be on from dark tonight to dawn tomorrow. 73 Joe On Mon, 7 May 2007, Hartmut Wolff wrote: > Nice copy of the QRSS120 DFCW signal from Joe, VO1NA last night. The > CW "blur" was visible on the QRSS3 screen. > > A capture can be seen here: > > http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm > > 73 > Hartmut > www.h-wolff.de > Locator: JO52hp > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235807377922652729 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs175941hue; Mon, 7 May 2007 10:09:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.106.11 with SMTP id e11mr5388109agc.1178557756620; Mon, 07 May 2007 10:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 2si7446871aga.2007.05.07.10.09.13; Mon, 07 May 2007 10:09:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hl6dG-0001jc-BU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 May 2007 18:04:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hl6dF-0001jT-TZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 May 2007 18:04:17 +0100 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hl6dF-0007sT-4x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 May 2007 18:04:17 +0100 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 May 2007 17:04:11 -0000 Received: from p548547C5.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO HW1) [84.133.71.197] by mail.gmx.net (mp021) with SMTP; 07 May 2007 19:04:11 +0200 X-Authenticated: #38158605 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/Htngopk/HSo4FL7tvRn9e0C9ANRlKEtnrHQpDGP +ZNVO7Y8IpsomH Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 19:04:06 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <761608682.20070507190406@gmx.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: VO1NA last night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2451 Nice copy of the QRSS120 DFCW signal from Joe, VO1NA last night. The CW "blur" was visible on the QRSS3 screen. A capture can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm 73 Hartmut www.h-wolff.de Locator: JO52hp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236321925087371607 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs188619hue; Sun, 13 May 2007 02:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.115.11 with SMTP id s11mr4086890ugm.1179048467092; Sun, 13 May 2007 02:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j3si6933667ugd.2007.05.13.02.27.40; Sun, 13 May 2007 02:27:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HnAH2-00006i-Tl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 10:21:52 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HnAH1-00006Z-Vz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 10:21:52 +0100 Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.23]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HnAH1-0006dC-2z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 10:21:51 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CAKZ0RkbUSnINk2dsb2JhbACIKYJdhHsBAQcGCAwf Received: from [88.106.59.7] (port=3877 helo=wgt01) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HnAGn-000IVm-NU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 May 2007 10:21:37 +0100 Message-ID: <009201c79540$1b4d3a00$073b6a58@wgt01> From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF $Rsgb LF Group$" Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 10:21:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 500 KHz reports Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2472 Hi LF, Just to say thank you to Roelof, Victor & Edgar for reports on my 500 KHz beacon last night. 73 Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/ Web site updated 07/05/2007 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237768763322001571 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs551053hue; Tue, 29 May 2007 01:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.44.4 with SMTP id w4mr5875128ugj.1180428279245; Tue, 29 May 2007 01:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id a1si6884191ugf.2007.05.29.01.44.35; Tue, 29 May 2007 01:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HsxC6-0001LU-DE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 09:36:42 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HsxC5-0001LL-SG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 09:36:41 +0100 Received: from mail3.uklinux.net ([80.84.72.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsxC5-0003oY-1p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 May 2007 09:36:41 +0100 Received: from o (bts-0679.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.50.167]) by mail3.uklinux.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E98B340AA03 for ; Tue, 29 May 2007 08:36:37 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <001c01c7a1cc$7ee7a8a0$a732f7c2@o> From: "Gw3UEP" To: Date: Tue, 29 May 2007 09:32:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: MF: Ships' MF Tx info... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7A1D4.5769F910" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2478 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7A1D4.5769F910 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Landlubbers ahoy! An input resistance to die for... Classic Marconi Oceanspan MF spec: Measured into an artificial aerial load with the following constants : Capacity 300 uuF Resistance 3.6 ohms CW (A1) 65 Watts at 4.2 amps approx MCW(A2) 72 Watts at 4.5 amps approx =20 Aerial Characteristics The transmitter is designed to work into an aerial with the following = characteristics : Medium Freq Main aerial 410 - 512 khz 300 - 750 = uuF + 1.9 - 10 ohms =20 Emergency aerial 500 khz 200 - 400 uuF = + 1.9 - 10 ohms = =20 As an approximation, the aerial capacitances given above would be = equivalent to the following aerial lengths: Main aerial = 150 - 330 feet Emergency aerial 90 = - 170 feet. end. Class I ship:=20 Main Tx: 102 metre-amps: Range 175 nautical-miles. Reserve Tx: 76 metre-amps: Range 150 nautical-miles. QTO, Rog. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C7A1D4.5769F910 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Landlubbers=20 ahoy! An=20 input resistance to die for...

Classic=20 Marconi Oceanspan MF spec:

Measured=20 into an artificial aerial load with the following = constants=20 :

Capacity = ; = =20 300 uuF

Resistance &nb= sp; &nbs= p; =20 3.6 ohms

CW=20 (A1) &nb= sp; &nbs= p; 65=20 Watts =20 at 4.2 amps approx

MCW(A2) = &= nbsp; 72=20 Watts =20 at 4.5 amps approx

Aerial =20 Characteristics

The=20 transmitter is designed to work into an aerial with the following=20 characteristics :

Medium=20 Freq

Main=20 aerial &= nbsp; =20 410 - 512=20 khz &nbs= p; =20 300 - 750 uuF + 1.9 - 10 ohms

Emergency=20 aerial &= nbsp; =20 500=20 khz &nbs= p; =20 200 - 400 uuF + 1.9 - 10 ohms

&= nbsp; &n= bsp; &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; = =

As=20 an approximation, the aerial = capacitances=20 given above would be equivalent to the following aerial = lengths:

Main=20 aerial &= nbsp; &n= bsp; &nb= sp; &nbs= p; = ; 150=20 - 330 feet

Emergency=20 aerial &= nbsp; &n= bsp; &nb= sp; &nbs= p; =20 90 - 170 feet.

end.

Class I = ship:=20

Main=20 Tx: 102 metre-amps: = Range=20 175 nautical-miles.

Reserve=20 Tx: 76 metre-amps: Range 150=20 nautical-miles.

QTO,

Rog.

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In a message dated 31/05/2007 00:21:32 GMT Daylight Time,=20 julian@rosestone.me.uk writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>There's=20 a D2155 SLM on eBay now for next to nothing. Lovely instrument, 0 -=20
660kHz. It is calibrated +20 to -110dBm dial marking, in 75, 140 or 60= 0ohm=20
bridged or terminated. I measure the bridging Z >20k at 137kHz and=20 higher at
LF, which is very useful. Runs on mains or internal NiCad's.= B/W=20 3.1k or
20Hz. Tuning
is analogue with digital readout of 10Hz=20 resolution. Also has a tracking
source output. I don't really need=20 another, so someone please=20 bid!
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3D3001159= 17889

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Saw that....

got ages to go so no hurry...

is there?....

and pretty average as they go...

or are we being hustled here?

Oh, OK...

Special favour.....

=A31.50 to put you out of your misery:-)

regards

Nigel

GM8PZR

-------------------------------1180569223-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237914702846313207 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs31431hue; Wed, 30 May 2007 16:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.131.8 with SMTP id e8mr2450906hud.1180567458266; Wed, 30 May 2007 16:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id b30si811386ika.2007.05.30.16.24.15; Wed, 30 May 2007 16:24:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HtXTD-0001PR-CU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 00:20:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HtXTD-0001PI-0z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 00:20:47 +0100 Received: from smtp2.global.net.uk ([80.189.94.52]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HtXTC-0003Dg-6j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 00:20:47 +0100 Received: from 52.222.adsl.brightview.com ([80.189.222.52] helo=julian) by smtp2.global.net.uk with smtp (Exim 4.67 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HtXTB-000Glg-GC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 31 May 2007 00:20:45 +0100 Message-ID: <00ac01c7a311$264731c0$0202a8c0@julian> From: "Julian Hardstone" To: Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 00:20:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 Authenticated-Sender: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Seimens D2155 SLM Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2480 There's a D2155 SLM on eBay now for next to nothing. Lovely instrument, 0 - 660kHz. It is calibrated +20 to -110dBm dial marking, in 75, 140 or 600ohm bridged or terminated. I measure the bridging Z >20k at 137kHz and higher at LF, which is very useful. Runs on mains or internal NiCad's. B/W 3.1k or 20Hz. Tuning is analogue with digital readout of 10Hz resolution. Also has a tracking source output. I don't really need another, so someone please bid! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300115917889 Also, if anyone has the service manual, let's talk real money for a copy :^} - Julian G3TFR From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235701961209925001 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs136719hue; Sun, 6 May 2007 06:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.115.14 with SMTP id s14mr4277354ugm.1178457223358; Sun, 06 May 2007 06:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 13si7443417ugb.2007.05.06.06.13.41; Sun, 06 May 2007 06:13:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HkgV3-0004y4-Fe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 May 2007 14:10:05 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HkgV2-0004xv-P4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 May 2007 14:10:04 +0100 Received: from cas-mta2-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.24] helo=mta-fe.casema.nl) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HkgV1-0000Yc-QU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 May 2007 14:10:04 +0100 Received: from localhost (cas-filter2.mgmt.casema.nl [10.42.32.69]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F478411A for ; Sun, 6 May 2007 15:09:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mta-fe.casema.nl ([10.42.32.24]) by localhost (cas-filter2.mgmt.casema.nl [10.42.32.211]) (amavisd-new, port 20024) with ESMTP id 19177-04 for ; Sun, 6 May 2007 15:09:54 +0200 (CEST) Received: from crazypeecee.casema.nl (5356F8BC.cable.casema.nl [83.86.248.188]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF06D406C for ; Sun, 6 May 2007 15:09:53 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sun, 06 May 2007 15:09:55 +0200 To: LF-Group From: Dick Rollema Mime-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <20070506130953.EF06D406C@mta-fe.casema.nl> X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at casema.nl X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_00_10=0.642,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: PA0SE FS meter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_28060734==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2485 --=====================_28060734==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed To All from PA0SE There seems to be some interest to modify my design for a portable field strength meter for use on 500 kHz. The instrument is described in G3LDO's boek The LF Experimenters Handbook. But the circuit diagram has some errors. The description can also be found at http://www.veron.nl/tech/lf/fsm/pa0se.htm. Better use that one. I used a ferrite rod antenna from a transistor radio with its LW coil. I expect the coil is too large for tuning the antenna circuit to 500 kHz. You could try a MW coil or a LW coil with turns removed. The article also describes how the instrument can be calibrated using a pair of Helmholtz coils. The coils are fed from a signal generator in series with a 50 ohms resistor. I found that my coils have an inductance of 1.2 microhenry. At 500 kHz that gives a reactance of 2.7 ohms. This can be completely be neglected against the 50 ohm resistor that is in series with the reactance.. So the current through the coils is the generator output, divided by 50 ohms. Note: the two coils are in parallel so each of them carries half the current. The article describes how to handle this. One has to be careful about what the meter on the signal generator indicates. On some models the meter indicates the EMF. When loaded with a resistor equal to the internal resistance of the generator the output voltage is half the EMF. But on other generators the meter indicates the voltage at the terminals (potential difference) when the generator is loaded with a resistor equal to the internal resistance of the generator. This PD is taken as half the EMF. A simpler way to measure field strength is to use a single turn untuned loop, connected to a calibrated selective voltmeter. I did it that myself on 136 kHz after I was presented a Wandel & Goltermann SPM-12 selective level meter that can also be run off a car battery. In a earlier e-mail to the reflector I included the equation that gives the relation between the field strength and the voltage induced in the loop. But my provider or the one of the reflector did not accept it because the message "scored 5.8 spam points" as the Mail Administrated said. I had not realised I had used dirty words..... If you have a receiver that covers 500 kHz, has an S-meter and can be run off batteries you could use that with the single turn loop. But the S-meter must be calibrated first using a signal generator. 73, Dick, PA0SE --=====================_28060734==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" To All from PA0SE

There seems to be some interest to modify my design for a portable field strength meter for use on 500 kHz. The instrument is described in G3LDO's boek The LF Experimenters Handbook. But the circuit diagram has some errors.
The description can also be found at http://www.veron.nl/tech/lf/fsm/pa0se.htm. Better use that one.

I used a ferrite rod antenna from a transistor radio with its LW coil. I expect the coil is too large for tuning the antenna circuit to 500 kHz.
You could try a MW coil or a LW coil with turns removed.

The article also describes how the instrument can be calibrated using a pair of Helmholtz coils. The coils are fed from a signal generator in series with a 50 ohms resistor. I found that my coils have an inductance of 1.2 microhenry. At 500 kHz that gives a reactance of 2.7 ohms.
This can be completely be neglected against the 50 ohm resistor that is in series with the reactance..
So the current through the coils is the generator output, divided by 50 ohms. Note: the two coils are in parallel so each of them carries half the current. The article describes how to handle this.

One has to be careful about what the meter on the signal generator indicates. On some models the meter indicates the EMF. When loaded with a resistor equal to the internal resistance of the generator the output voltage is half the EMF.
But on other generators the meter indicates the voltage at the terminals (potential difference) when the generator is loaded with a resistor equal to the internal resistance of the generator. This PD is taken as half the EMF.

A simpler way to measure field strength is to use a single turn untuned loop, connected to a calibrated selective voltmeter. I did it that myself on 136 kHz after I was presented a Wandel & Goltermann SPM-12 selective level meter that can also be run off a car battery.
In a earlier e-mail to the reflector I included the equation that gives the relation between the field strength and the voltage induced in the loop.
But my provider or the one of the reflector did not accept it because the message "scored 5.8 spam points" as the Mail Administrated said.
I had not realised I had used dirty words.....

If you have a receiver that covers 500 kHz, has an S-meter and can be run off batteries you could use that with the single turn loop.
But the S-meter must be calibrated first using a signal generator.

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SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2591 Their measurements show the field strength is above the spec. but I suspect this does not help if you were relying on a much stronger signal that NPL requested from from Rugby to overcome screening or local noises. I am quite surprised in a way how well it does work. I suppose 60kHz is very close to 4 times 15.625kHz for a simple receiver. The other poblem is a lot of modern wide screen TVs have SMPSUs that run in the 30kHz range and emit quite a big signal from the aerial coax braid. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: John W Gould To: Sent: 19 May 2007 09:36 Subject: LF: RE: Re: Rugby - Anthorn I didn't take much interest in this thread until I realised that my MSF clock was free-wheeling. I've had to find a new position and orientation for it in order for it to lock onto the Anthorn signal. This seems to be rather difficult and intermittent. So much for the claim of a good coverage across the UK. My QTH is about 30 miles south of Rugby (so no trouble there) but I guess 180 - 200 miles from Anthorn. I can see a "dissaffected from Newport Pagnell" letter being drafted before too long to the operator. 73 John, G3WKL -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Alberto di Bene Sent: 17 May 2007 18:03 To: LF Mailing List Cc: Alan Melia Subject: LF: Re: Rugby - Anthorn Hi Alan, I have measured the response of the S-meter of my R-75 at 60 kHz, using a W&G level generator and a Hatfield attenuator I had bought on eBay some time ago. At 60 kHz, you need a signal of -67 dBm to have an indication of S9 on the receiver. To bring it down to S3, I had to insert using the Hatfield attenuator 17 dB of attenuation. So much for the linearity of S-meters... So, for what this test is worth, apparently at my location Anthorn seems to be about 17 dB weaker than Rugby. The test is not much scientific, as I didn't take note in the past of the time of the day when I took the S9 reading, nor of its repeatability, but as a ballpark indication maybe it can say something. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236865071709301743 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs139285hue; Sat, 19 May 2007 06:40:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.100.17 with SMTP id c17mr1882513ugm.1179582008170; Sat, 19 May 2007 06:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j34si2795398ugc.2007.05.19.06.40.05; Sat, 19 May 2007 06:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpP44-0001Ye-5u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 14:33:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpP43-0001YV-OY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 14:33:43 +0100 Received: from post-23.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.193]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpP43-0007dY-0M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 14:33:43 +0100 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:13325 helo=PCRoelof) by post-23.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1HpP42-000P6P-7s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 13:33:42 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c79a1a$5e941a20$2101a8c0@PCRoelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: References: <005101c799f0$c5e68c50$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> <004801c799f6$94a34100$2101a8c0@PCRoelof> <464ED7AC.5090704@ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 13:34:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.298 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Re: Rugby - Anthorn Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2592 Hello David, Adding my comments to your webpages is no problem at all. I have been monitoring MSF since this morning and the signal is now 1 dB stronger at -65 dBm. Best regards, Roelof From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236865071709301743 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs135854hue; Sat, 19 May 2007 03:59:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.98.9 with SMTP id a9mr1771230ugm.1179572365482; Sat, 19 May 2007 03:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si3865944ugf.2007.05.19.03.59.23; Sat, 19 May 2007 03:59:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpMbA-0001Iy-I8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 11:55:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpMb9-0001Ip-Vn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 11:55:43 +0100 Received: from mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpMb8-0002zH-1d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 11:55:43 +0100 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070519105536.KSID16175.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 11:55:36 +0100 Received: from [192.168.2.2] (really [86.13.40.220]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20070519105536.WJBT29112.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@[192.168.2.2]> for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 11:55:36 +0100 Message-ID: <464ED7AC.5090704@ntlworld.com> Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 11:55:40 +0100 From: david towers User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.10 (Windows/20070221) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <005101c799f0$c5e68c50$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> <004801c799f6$94a34100$2101a8c0@PCRoelof> In-Reply-To: <004801c799f6$94a34100$2101a8c0@PCRoelof> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Re: Rugby - Anthorn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2593 Hi Roeloff and all I find this information very interesting and did try to follow and record comments on the progress of the changeover. http://g8szx.mediumwaveradio.org At my location in Leicestershire there was around 20dB difference overall and my clocks still are working. I would appreciate permission to add you comments to my pages. Dve G8SZX Roelof Bakker wrote: > Hello John, > > I have been monitoring MSF and whilst transmitting from Rugby at daytime > the signal has always been around - 55 dBm. At present the level is - 66 > dBm, hence 9 dB weaker. > This is a rather coarse measurements as at my location the signal > strength varies even at daytime. > > Best regards, > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > Middelburg, Netherlands > Locator: JO11tm > > ---------------------------------------------------- > This message has been processed by Firetrust Benign. > -- Glenfield Leicestershire IO92jp http://g8szx.mediumwaveradio.org From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236865071709301743 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs134251hue; Sat, 19 May 2007 02:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.255.7 with SMTP id c7mr1732546ugi.1179566452177; Sat, 19 May 2007 02:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o24si3777060ugd.2007.05.19.02.20.48; Sat, 19 May 2007 02:20:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HpL4q-0000wd-2z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 10:18:16 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HpL4p-0000wU-ND for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 10:18:15 +0100 Received: from post-26.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.196]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HpL4p-0000B7-2Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 10:18:15 +0100 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:12658 helo=PCRoelof) by post-26.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1HpL4o-000BSy-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 May 2007 09:18:14 +0000 Message-ID: <004801c799f6$94a34100$2101a8c0@PCRoelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: References: <005101c799f0$c5e68c50$0b01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 10:17:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: Rugby - Anthorn Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2594 Hello John, I have been monitoring MSF and whilst transmitting from Rugby at daytime the signal has always been around - 55 dBm. At present the level is - 66 dBm, hence 9 dB weaker. This is a rather coarse measurements as at my location the signal strength varies even at daytime. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt Middelburg, Netherlands Locator: JO11tm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237323178018921639 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs353518hue; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:42:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.102.16 with SMTP id e16mr2047328ugm.1180003335924; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 27si4435756ugp.2007.05.24.03.42.06; Thu, 24 May 2007 03:42:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HrAfv-00073J-BU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 11:36:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HrAfu-00073A-UT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 11:36:06 +0100 Received: from pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net ([81.228.11.98]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HrAfs-0004hQ-Ol for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 11:36:06 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (62.20.250.132) by pne-smtpout1-sn1.fre.skanova.net (7.2.076.2) (authenticated as u33233109) id 461E4AF800A6B921 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 12:35:58 +0200 Message-ID: <46556A91.20005@telia.com> Date: Thu, 24 May 2007 12:36:01 +0200 From: "Johan H. Bodin" User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.0 (Windows/20070326) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Telegraphy's 163:rd birthday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2625 Dear All, today May 24 is the 163:rd anniversary of the first telegraphy message! http://memory.loc.gov/ammem/today/may24.html There is a nice picure of "/P operating" at the end of the page :-) 73 Johan SM6LKM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236709599383309136 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs81444hue; Thu, 17 May 2007 09:09:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.30.6 with SMTP id h6mr375330ugj.1179418182900; Thu, 17 May 2007 09:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id x26si510399ugc.2007.05.17.09.09.38; Thu, 17 May 2007 09:09:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HoiUC-00030O-MW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 17:05:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HoiUC-00030F-6X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 17:05:52 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.74]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HoiUB-0008BP-5b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 May 2007 17:05:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 30705 invoked from network); 17 May 2007 16:05:45 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=4iLyyLs19GyaceeDaIm3+ewSa0DjCfo6Fbc8pXrdJE0CoaRxPG5J7ui3F4VjYQYwq+Y0EUEUnV9AuE6ALYRbr3+1kPRqiBd/EmbRAWYOplsc/I9fwG6CLK1hCg33UFNkr9ItqD15KkIYKal9UtRNWlQjt7pr+Lke+qbREFneImU= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.33.114 with login) by smtp814.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 May 2007 16:05:44 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: kZy.e4kVM1lVVYYt5gRRo1054Dx1C59dvHXNtX3YhItgDffoqQiEU2agZo0B86aNPFS0G73wrg-- Message-ID: <000a01c7989d$3c09a160$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: Date: Thu, 17 May 2007 17:05:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.080,RCVD_IN_SORBS_WEB=1.236 Subject: LF: Re: Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C79893.244D2B00" Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2655 Victor the reason why you message did not display properly was that you did not fill in the subject field. It would seem that there is a parsing problem with the reflector software which throws the system when attachments are added but the subject field is left blank. Try again with something in the subject field. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Victor van Kooten To: blacksheep Sent: 17 May 2007 15:53 Subject: LF: Content-Type: multipart/mixed;boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C79893.244D2B00" From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237237638150559099 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs337033hue; Wed, 23 May 2007 16:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.219.11 with SMTP id r11mr1705710ugg.1179963296062; Wed, 23 May 2007 16:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id e1si3592555ugf.2007.05.23.16.34.52; Wed, 23 May 2007 16:34:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hr0Hs-0005Ur-Ti for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 00:30:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hr0Hs-0005Ui-DB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 00:30:36 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.63]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hr0Hr-0007gB-NZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 May 2007 00:30:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 13559 invoked from network); 23 May 2007 23:30:30 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=eSvzLJ6++RJjZ0dKVP2ewAdLUlZWPsTl7CDzRTKTPsSBCSdFa2YKxlIEQ8ZkYib1anYw/8SzT3CpgYiJIXfIZYLkTjYDDucNFbOO5om5gkFQKV8g2tQ8VQrYQhSce1AmmVb60sru6Axctrg4v4Xw1vv2jNBle/UBGun3hcz+8co= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.37.61 with login) by smtp803.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2007 23:30:29 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: _prEX2UVM1kmRtXTI8rpKl0nMr8SbNfXVSuTIrq7LOTMJXzmR4Mkfe7zGz8zfdMIgedNhnURDg-- Message-ID: <003101c79d92$6361fa60$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <003f01c79d31$622811e0$0300a8c0@lark> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 23:31:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2660 Thanks Alan, that sounds like a "not proven" verdict. 0800z is a bit early to be seeing any enhancement if there was any 1100 to 1300z would be the most favoured time if it works the same way as 136kHz. Never mind there will be plenty of other chances to test that idea as the geomag storms become more frequent during the upswing to the next Max. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Ibbetson To: Sent: 23 May 2007 22:38 Subject: Re: LF: 500 propagation > G3KEV and G3VTT were their usual strength around 9am (0800Z). Nobody was > around when I called CQ a few times in the middle of the day. Despite > heavy QRN this evening, G3VTT was his usual strength over our short path > distance. Nobody else heard. > > Regards, > > Alan > > In message <003f01c79d31$622811e0$0300a8c0@lark>, Alan Melia > writes > >Hi all, there was a geomagnetic event this morning and whilst small it is > >likely to be extended to tomorrow as well. We have not really had such an > >event yet whilst 500k permits have been active. I would be interested to > >know from regular users and listeners whether the signal levels are enhanced > >over your expectations (particularly around the middle of the day) or as I > >suspect are weaker. 500k is different to 136k where the current conditions > >could boost daytime signals slightly. I also think night-time signals may be > >slightly weaker, similar to 136k. > > > >Thanks and Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > > > > > > > -- > > Cheers, > > Alan G3XAQ > alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237237638150559099 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs334494hue; Wed, 23 May 2007 14:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.10.12 with SMTP id n12mr1662576ugi.1179956564452; Wed, 23 May 2007 14:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 55si4611083ugq.2007.05.23.14.42.38; Wed, 23 May 2007 14:42:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqyYI-0004rv-1S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 22:39:26 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqyYH-0004rm-FY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 22:39:25 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.88]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqyYG-0006kZ-R1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 22:39:25 +0100 Received: from g3xaq.demon.co.uk ([80.176.129.138]) by anchor-post-30.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HqyYG-0000kF-0r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 21:39:24 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 22:38:14 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Alan Ibbetson References: <003f01c79d31$622811e0$0300a8c0@lark> In-Reply-To: <003f01c79d31$622811e0$0300a8c0@lark> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-S (<7GrEZJe6E9UxKa1s0EQXKvVnX9>) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 propagation Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2661 G3KEV and G3VTT were their usual strength around 9am (0800Z). Nobody was around when I called CQ a few times in the middle of the day. Despite heavy QRN this evening, G3VTT was his usual strength over our short path distance. Nobody else heard. Regards, Alan In message <003f01c79d31$622811e0$0300a8c0@lark>, Alan Melia writes >Hi all, there was a geomagnetic event this morning and whilst small it is >likely to be extended to tomorrow as well. We have not really had such an >event yet whilst 500k permits have been active. I would be interested to >know from regular users and listeners whether the signal levels are enhanced >over your expectations (particularly around the middle of the day) or as I >suspect are weaker. 500k is different to 136k where the current conditions >could boost daytime signals slightly. I also think night-time signals may be >slightly weaker, similar to 136k. > >Thanks and Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > > -- Cheers, Alan G3XAQ alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237237638150559099 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs319079hue; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.6 with SMTP id t6mr1450050ugg.1179933110233; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id w40si3238102ugc.2007.05.23.08.11.43; Wed, 23 May 2007 08:11:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqsQh-0003TG-NF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 16:07:11 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqsQh-0003T7-6k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 16:07:11 +0100 Received: from smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.70]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqsQg-0007wv-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 16:07:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 73170 invoked from network); 23 May 2007 15:07:04 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=mhWpmPnc9XWSHvHe2odCVlStVukHfJYLiCxHQtgkFjFT7xZptEfBs0dmBojf/4tMmdTp2tLskIAZKdhSt9IShp2Y1jXaLV+/6lXOTkB8pH6/JzvHqytbuZGoNTukCnhjs6T4Qb5wwIlorXAqHD7eKCluTpW5ZkDe8cf0wicjy3E= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.2.246 with login) by smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2007 15:07:03 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: laazu_QVM1mg3r8hQRzL2xyRmc4KOIIJJdqumK_zIS1rqi7EPspqhtPy4xmI.i_9lfRdjSR04dvOTcyBqUy0K4c3GgtX3YGaDkD8eiX0asuKL_vJ Message-ID: <000c01c79d4c$0ecf7220$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <003f01c79d31$622811e0$0300a8c0@lark> <46543EC9.462.1782FC5@dave.davesergeant.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 16:06:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2662 Hi Dave thanks for those comments, I dont often listen at HF these days so would not know what to expect. I use the NOAA site for Kp which hit 5 this morning on the Boulder estimate. But I use the Dst estimate to judge the electron precipitation into the D-layer. This mimics the continuing absorption well after the Kp has returned to "quiet". It is a kind of measurement of the size of the reservoir of electrons available in the Ring Current in the Van Allen belts, which enter the ionosphere at the sunrise edge. LF conditions at night stay depressed until the reservoir is near exhasted. My guess is the D-layer is normally absorbing at 500k but I wondered if it might switch to "refecting" if the injection was high enough. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Sergeant To: Sent: 23 May 2007 13:16 Subject: Re: LF: 500 propagation > On 23 May 2007 at 12:56, Alan Melia wrote: > > > Hi all, there was a geomagnetic event this morning and whilst small it > > is likely to be extended to tomorrow as well. We have not really had > > such an event yet whilst 500k permits have been active. I would be > > interested to know from regular users and listeners whether the signal > > levels are enhanced over your expectations (particularly around the > > middle of the day) or as I suspect are weaker. 500k is different to > > 136k where the current conditions could boost daytime signals > > slightly. I also think night-time signals may be slightly weaker, > > similar to 136k. > > > > Thanks and Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > > > > > Guess that explains why the HF bands are so dire this morning.... All > I hear on 500kHz at the moment is noise... > > There is no indication of this event on the DK0WCY magnetometer, it > says 'quiet', 'quiet' though I see the K index has been up at 4. > (http://www.dk0wcy.de/magneto/magnet.htm) > > 73 Dave G3YMC > > http://www.davesergeant.com > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237237638150559099 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs313418hue; Wed, 23 May 2007 06:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.221.19 with SMTP id t19mr1377860ugg.1179925632403; Wed, 23 May 2007 06:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o1si3005629uge.2007.05.23.06.07.10; Wed, 23 May 2007 06:07:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqqSt-0003Cx-Uo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 14:01:19 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqqSt-0003Co-5u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 14:01:19 +0100 Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.4]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqqSr-0007FH-7P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 14:01:19 +0100 Received: from G3vtt@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.2.) id l.d58.9c53da8 (29678) for ; Wed, 23 May 2007 09:01:03 -0400 (EDT) From: G3vtt@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 09:01:03 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5022 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: 500 propagation Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1179925263" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2663 -------------------------------1179925263 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Alan, I am listening and CQing on 502 for the next hour or so. Anybody about? 73 Colin G3VTT In a message dated 23/05/2007 12:57:31 GMT Standard Time, alan.melia@btinternet.com writes: Hi all, there was a geomagnetic event this morning and whilst small it is likely to be extended to tomorrow as well. We have not really had such an event yet whilst 500k permits have been active. I would be interested to know from regular users and listeners whether the signal levels are enhanced over your expectations (particularly around the middle of the day) or as I suspect are weaker. 500k is different to 136k where the current conditions could boost daytime signals slightly. I also think night-time signals may be slightly weaker, similar to 136k. Thanks and Cheers de Alan G3NYK -------------------------------1179925263 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Alan,

I am listening and CQing on 502 for the next hour or so. Anybody=20 about?

Colin G3VTT

In a message dated 23/05/2007 12:57:31 GMT Standard Time,=20 alan.melia@btinternet.com writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Hi all,=20 there was a geomagnetic event this morning and whilst small it is
likel= y to=20 be extended to tomorrow as well. We have not really had such an
event y= et=20 whilst 500k permits have been active. I would be interested to
know fro= m=20 regular users and listeners whether the signal levels are enhanced
over= =20 your expectations (particularly around the middle of the day) or as=20 I
suspect are weaker. 500k is different to 136k where the current=20 conditions
could boost daytime signals slightly. I also think night-tim= e=20 signals may be
slightly weaker, similar to 136k.

Thanks and Chee= rs=20 de Alan G3NYK

-------------------------------1179925263-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237237638150559099 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs312236hue; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.30.6 with SMTP id h6mr1342995ugj.1179922955195; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id s1si1988011uge.2007.05.23.05.22.32; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Hqpm5-000324-2D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 13:17:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Hqpm4-00031v-Mb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 13:17:04 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hqpm2-00021V-Vx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 13:17:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 50954 invoked from network); 23 May 2007 12:16:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dave) (dsergeant@btinternet.com@86.139.21.103 with login) by smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2007 12:16:56 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: 95m1o_oVM1kFrLLGN5NfN57RNAL76UekTjSi1jNsDpXmtK9yK9R9aeO0eQY0nU_UE3MMCqKD05IKy9G1lqight_zKpD6fyUXA8xOj4rI36yYQht. From: "Dave Sergeant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 13:16:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <46543EC9.462.1782FC5@dave.davesergeant.com> In-reply-to: <003f01c79d31$622811e0$0300a8c0@lark> References: <003f01c79d31$622811e0$0300a8c0@lark> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.41) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: 500 propagation Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2664 On 23 May 2007 at 12:56, Alan Melia wrote: > Hi all, there was a geomagnetic event this morning and whilst small it > is likely to be extended to tomorrow as well. We have not really had > such an event yet whilst 500k permits have been active. I would be > interested to know from regular users and listeners whether the signal > levels are enhanced over your expectations (particularly around the > middle of the day) or as I suspect are weaker. 500k is different to > 136k where the current conditions could boost daytime signals > slightly. I also think night-time signals may be slightly weaker, > similar to 136k. > > Thanks and Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > Guess that explains why the HF bands are so dire this morning.... All I hear on 500kHz at the moment is noise... There is no indication of this event on the DK0WCY magnetometer, it says 'quiet', 'quiet' though I see the K index has been up at 4. (http://www.dk0wcy.de/magneto/magnet.htm) 73 Dave G3YMC http://www.davesergeant.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237237638150559099 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs311605hue; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.25.9 with SMTP id c9mr1342154ugj.1179921760077; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j1si3696368ugf.2007.05.23.05.02.36; Wed, 23 May 2007 05:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HqpRw-0002vD-4E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 12:56:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HqpRv-0002v4-IV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 12:56:15 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.67]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HqpRu-0002Qb-At for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 May 2007 12:56:15 +0100 Received: (qmail 45770 invoked from network); 23 May 2007 11:56:08 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:X-MimeOLE; b=zg91UDdtUvxyec+r5L3t0MemYnt42jzXE2oP3mQdjCdZED4CB6ncZOPgXxCLoxmG9Gj82Zm2/F9GUJQpP1lTyVezUqUZ54P6WnwdAx7YyBwpVOEsx0VRnSrRBfx3qyVLD2MHxfhfb9LymMyJzr/VwqA5waMl33M2OZ4E5r5oEyo= ; Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.19.27 with login) by smtp807.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 May 2007 11:56:07 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: V9NlEKkVM1kkbwXxcqFmNyjMI90XF63Ns6Rf2swuaAnP0fyPAIjj73q67ASsXCtkGeJj4n8MnA-- Message-ID: <003f01c79d31$622811e0$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: Date: Wed, 23 May 2007 12:56:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.394 Subject: LF: 500 propagation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 2665 Hi all, there was a geomagnetic event this morning and whilst small it is likely to be extended to tomorrow as well. We have not really had such an event yet whilst 500k permits have been active. I would be interested to know from regular users and listeners whether the signal levels are enhanced over your expectations (particularly around the middle of the day) or as I suspect are weaker. 500k is different to 136k where the current conditions could boost daytime signals slightly. I also think night-time signals may be slightly weaker, similar to 136k. Thanks and Cheers de Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1235908846772682159 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs216219hue; Tue, 8 May 2007 13:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.82.100.1 with SMTP id x1mr12526239bub.1178654524792; Tue, 08 May 2007 13:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id z34si4805756ikz.2007.05.08.13.02.02; Tue, 08 May 2007 13:02:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HlVpn-00060B-MS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 20:58:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HlVpn-000602-22 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 20:58:55 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.37]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HlVpl-0002Mg-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 20:58:54 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ao8CACZzQEbUSnINk2dsb2JhbACIJ4JdhHcCAQEHBggHBR8 Received: from [88.106.66.76] (port=4163 helo=wgt01) by mk-relay-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.66 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1HlVpd-000FuU-Ir for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 May 2007 20:58:45 +0100 Message-ID: <002b01c791ab$4f573960$4c426a58@wgt01> From: "Gary - G4WGT"

Ah, but nobody said it was supposed to be easy = :-)

Chris=20 is always 300Hz HF of me. I think he has a DC transceiver, =
possibly=20 without TX offset.

Dunno whether Ray is rock bound or not. I = suspect he=20 is. I couldn't hear
him this morning at all but Chris/XIZ copied = him OK.=20 I'm hoping moving
the loading coil towards the tower and reducing = its size=20 will reduce
losses, stabilise the resonat frequency, and perhaps = improve=20 receive a
tad.

I'll try to hear you tomorrow at 6am, but if = it=20 keeps raining there is
little chance because my aerial shifts = resonance=20 down to 495KHz in the
rain!

I'm thinking of building a = transceiver=20 for 500K so I can net on other
stations and to free up my FT1000MP = Mk5 for=20 HF again. Rapid has xtals
and ceramic resonators that appear = suitable. For=20 example, xtals on 4.194
MHz and resonators on 3.69 (504KHz nominal = difference). Another possible
pairing is 4.096 and 3.58 (516 = difference).=20 Both will need the ceramic
resonator pushed up a few KHz with a = variable=20 cap in series with the
nominal 20pF load, but I'm assuming that is = not a=20 big deal. The crystals
are only 20p each so filters should be = inexpensive=20 even if I need a
bucket load to get a set within 10% of the target = IF=20 bandwidth.

CUL,

Alan

In message <003201c7a07b$39685970$2f= c8e150@o>,=20 Gw3UEP
<gw3uep@uklinux.net>=20 writes
>Alan/XAQ,
>FB - that's what I thought, 502cc - = Chris=20 didn't net on to you - then Ray
>came up on 501.6 - gets=20 complicated!
>Rog.
>----- Original Message = -----
>From: Alan=20 Ibbetson
>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
>Sent:=20 Sunday, May 27, 2007 2:41 PM
>Subject: Re: LF: Re; 502.4kcs = 10am,=20 XIZ/XAQ/PDN/KEV...
>
>In message <000801c7a04b$32303540$b5= 33f7c2@o>,=20 Gw3UEP
><gw3uep@uklinux.net>=20 writes
>>No sign of Alan/XAQ - not certain of his freq, = 502.00 or=20 co-ch - ckd both.
>
>Rog,
>
>I'm crystal = controlled on=20 502.0 KHz. If the weather improved during the
>coming week I'll = be doing=20 some aerial work which may help sigs. I need
>something to help=20 reception here because I don't seem to hear as well=20 as
>others.

--

Cheers,

Alan G3XAQ
alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk

=

What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of = your email=20 personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! = Mail Championship. ------=_NextPart_000_013E_01C7A0BE.1F3ADC10-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237594984607714882 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs495894hue; Sun, 27 May 2007 14:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.29.12 with SMTP id g12mr4761319ugj.1180301776712; Sun, 27 May 2007 14:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id a1si4504120ugf.2007.05.27.14.36.13; Sun, 27 May 2007 14:36:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HsQLW-0003Xu-Eb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 22:32:14 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HsQLV-0003Xl-ND for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 22:32:13 +0100 Received: from web86408.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.125]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsQLU-0000UE-Ml for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 22:32:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 51425 invoked by uid 60001); 27 May 2007 21:32:07 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=cALkWOREmND0huFKhxQGHMvFAYC6e8wLXJyARZmBicglAfkzi2WZKTgAOcJSDUWGVV6YLMNL6yrstd5IN4ODNb+poWzQ8Pcw9Kkvx5GxAdsGbXePDdJXHlDZEvDLmuCWK9O91oKUlSC/Z8mGzmU8tDkSdYmdTDp6RHP2UcVBzVU=; X-YMail-OSG: mwNgeBoVM1mzaKGPOgygpSxXgZcxpBDFVEamcuBFwKSrOwLKjJ8m3QLCc3LYsojM54u3yF8hIy.zl98Xe3GVvVWHmJZp4EPZ5YQtQvx8UHjRe09e Received: from [80.6.40.58] by web86408.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 27 May 2007 22:32:07 BST Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 22:32:07 +0100 (BST) From: CHRISTOPHER OSBORN To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <007a01c7a09d$62b558b0$9d33f7c2@o> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <350520.49664.qm@web86408.mail.ird.yahoo.com> DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re; 502.4kcs 10am, XIZ/XAQ/PDN/KEV... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1961269190-1180301527=:49664" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7065 --0-1961269190-1180301527=:49664 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My apologies . . I have both vfo and xtal control (502.3 and 503.3) and can zero beat with my RIT. I sometimes forget to switch from XO to VFO - :-( In future I shall net on to the station I am calling to avoid difficulties. 73 Chris G3XIZ Gw3UEP wrote: Alan, Thanks for all info. Ray has 502.6 & 501.6 cc. Suggest use two xtals if mixing - use divider with cer-res [to divide drift]. Beacon on 501.5 now - will lsn 502 shortly on off-chance - static low here, at present. Rog. ----- Original Message ----- From: Alan Ibbetson To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:21 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re; 502.4kcs 10am, XIZ/XAQ/PDN/KEV... Ah, but nobody said it was supposed to be easy :-) Chris is always 300Hz HF of me. I think he has a DC transceiver, possibly without TX offset. Dunno whether Ray is rock bound or not. I suspect he is. I couldn't hear him this morning at all but Chris/XIZ copied him OK. I'm hoping moving the loading coil towards the tower and reducing its size will reduce losses, stabilise the resonat frequency, and perhaps improve receive a tad. I'll try to hear you tomorrow at 6am, but if it keeps raining there is little chance because my aerial shifts resonance down to 495KHz in the rain! I'm thinking of building a transceiver for 500K so I can net on other stations and to free up my FT1000MP Mk5 for HF again. Rapid has xtals and ceramic resonators that appear suitable. For example, xtals on 4.194 MHz and resonators on 3.69 (504KHz nominal difference). Another possible pairing is 4.096 and 3.58 (516 difference). Both will need the ceramic resonator pushed up a few KHz with a variable cap in series with the nominal 20pF load, but I'm assuming that is not a big deal. The crystals are only 20p each so filters should be inexpensive even if I need a bucket load to get a set within 10% of the target IF bandwidth. CUL, Alan In message <003201c7a07b$39685970$2fc8e150@o>, Gw3UEP writes >Alan/XAQ, >FB - that's what I thought, 502cc - Chris didn't net on to you - then Ray >came up on 501.6 - gets complicated! >Rog. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Alan Ibbetson >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 2:41 PM >Subject: Re: LF: Re; 502.4kcs 10am, XIZ/XAQ/PDN/KEV... > >In message <000801c7a04b$32303540$b533f7c2@o>, Gw3UEP > writes >>No sign of Alan/XAQ - not certain of his freq, 502.00 or co-ch - ckd both. > >Rog, > >I'm crystal controlled on 502.0 KHz. If the weather improved during the >coming week I'll be doing some aerial work which may help sigs. I need >something to help reception here because I don't seem to hear as well as >others. -- Cheers, Alan G3XAQ alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk --------------------------------- What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Yahoo! Mail Championship. --0-1961269190-1180301527=:49664 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My apologies . .
I have both vfo and xtal control (502.3 and 503.3) and can zero beat with my RIT.
I sometimes forget to switch from XO to VFO - :-(
In future I shall net on to the station I am calling to avoid difficulties.
73 Chris G3XIZ

Gw3UEP <gw3uep@uklinux.net> wrote:

Alan,

Thanks for all info. Ray has 502.6 & 501.6 cc.

Suggest use two xtals if mixing - use divider with cer-res [to divide drift].

Beacon on 501.5 now - will lsn 502 shortly on off-chance - static low here, at present.

Rog.

----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Ibbetson

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:21 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Re; 502.4kcs 10am, XIZ/XAQ/PDN/KEV...

Ah, but nobody said it was supposed to be easy :-)

Chris is always 300Hz HF of me. I think he has a DC transceiver,
possibly without TX offset.

Dunno whether Ray is rock bound or not. I suspect he is. I couldn't hear
him this morning at all but Chris/XIZ copied him OK. I'm hoping moving
the loading coil towards the tower and reducing its size will reduce
losses, stabilise the resonat frequency, and perhaps improve receive a
tad.

I'll try to hear you tomorrow at 6am, but if it keeps raining there is
little chance because my aerial shifts resonance down to 495KHz in the
rain!

I'm thinking of building a transceiver for 500K so I can net on other
stations and to free up my FT1000MP Mk5 for HF again. Rapid has xtals
and ceramic resonators that appear suitable. For example, xtals on 4.194
MHz and resonators on 3.69 (504KHz nominal difference). Another possible
pairing is 4.096 and 3.58 (516 difference). Both will need the ceramic
resonator pushed up a few KHz with a variable cap in series with the
nominal 20pF load, but I'm assuming that is not a big deal. The crystals
are only 20p each so filters should be inexpensive even if I need a
bucket load to get a set within 10% of the target IF bandwidth.

CUL,

Alan

In message <003201c7a07b$39685970$2fc8e150@o>, Gw3UEP
<gw3uep@uklinux.net> writes
>Alan/XAQ,
>FB - that's what I thought, 502cc - Chris didn't net on to you - then Ray
>came up on 501.6 - gets complicated!
>Rog.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Alan Ibbetson
>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 2:41 PM
>Subject: Re: LF: Re; 502.4kcs 10am, XIZ/XAQ/PDN/KEV...
>
>In message <000801c7a04b$32303540$b533f7c2@o>, Gw3UEP
><gw3uep@uklinux.net> writes
>>No sign of Alan/XAQ - not certain of his freq, 502.00 or co-ch - ckd both.
>
>Rog,
>
>I'm crystal controlled on 502.0 KHz. If the weather improved during the
>coming week I'll be doing some aerial work which may help sigs. I need
>something to help reception here because I don't seem to hear as well as
>others.

--

Cheers,

Alan G3XAQ
alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk

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Mail Championship. --0-1961269190-1180301527=:49664-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237594984607714882 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs494527hue; Sun, 27 May 2007 13:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.100.17 with SMTP id c17mr4744221ugm.1180297816645; Sun, 27 May 2007 13:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si8456365ugf.2007.05.27.13.30.12; Sun, 27 May 2007 13:30:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HsPKP-0003JL-MC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 21:27:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HsPKP-0003JC-4f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 21:27:01 +0100 Received: from mail3.uklinux.net ([80.84.72.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsPKM-0007dM-SR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 21:27:01 +0100 Received: from o (bts-0925.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.51.157]) by mail3.uklinux.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 029C740A888 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 20:26:56 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <007a01c7a09d$62b558b0$9d33f7c2@o> From: "Gw3UEP" To: References: <000801c7a04b$32303540$b533f7c2@o> <003201c7a07b$39685970$2fc8e150@o> <44sdwkE+3bWGFwHp@g3xaq.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 21:26:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re; 502.4kcs 10am, XIZ/XAQ/PDN/KEV... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0077_01C7A0A5.AC9655D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7066 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C7A0A5.AC9655D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alan, Thanks for all info. Ray has 502.6 & 501.6 cc. Suggest use two xtals if mixing - use divider with cer-res [to divide = drift]. Beacon on 501.5 now - will lsn 502 shortly on off-chance - static low = here, at present. Rog. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan Ibbetson=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:21 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re; 502.4kcs 10am, XIZ/XAQ/PDN/KEV... Ah, but nobody said it was supposed to be easy :-) Chris is always 300Hz HF of me. I think he has a DC transceiver,=20 possibly without TX offset. Dunno whether Ray is rock bound or not. I suspect he is. I couldn't hear = him this morning at all but Chris/XIZ copied him OK. I'm hoping moving=20 the loading coil towards the tower and reducing its size will reduce=20 losses, stabilise the resonat frequency, and perhaps improve receive a=20 tad. I'll try to hear you tomorrow at 6am, but if it keeps raining there is=20 little chance because my aerial shifts resonance down to 495KHz in the=20 rain! I'm thinking of building a transceiver for 500K so I can net on other=20 stations and to free up my FT1000MP Mk5 for HF again. Rapid has xtals=20 and ceramic resonators that appear suitable. For example, xtals on 4.194 = MHz and resonators on 3.69 (504KHz nominal difference). Another possible = pairing is 4.096 and 3.58 (516 difference). Both will need the ceramic=20 resonator pushed up a few KHz with a variable cap in series with the=20 nominal 20pF load, but I'm assuming that is not a big deal. The crystals = are only 20p each so filters should be inexpensive even if I need a=20 bucket load to get a set within 10% of the target IF bandwidth. CUL, Alan In message <003201c7a07b$39685970$2fc8e150@o>, Gw3UEP=20 writes >Alan/XAQ, >FB - that's what I thought, 502cc - Chris didn't net on to you - then = Ray >came up on 501.6 - gets complicated! >Rog. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Alan Ibbetson >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 2:41 PM >Subject: Re: LF: Re; 502.4kcs 10am, XIZ/XAQ/PDN/KEV... > >In message <000801c7a04b$32303540$b533f7c2@o>, Gw3UEP > writes >>No sign of Alan/XAQ - not certain of his freq, 502.00 or co-ch - ckd = both. > >Rog, > >I'm crystal controlled on 502.0 KHz. If the weather improved during the >coming week I'll be doing some aerial work which may help sigs. I need >something to help reception here because I don't seem to hear as well = as >others. --=20 Cheers, Alan G3XAQ alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C7A0A5.AC9655D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Alan,

Thanks for all info. Ray = has =20 502.6 & 501.6 cc.

Suggest use two xtals if mixing = - use=20 divider with cer-res [to divide drift].

Beacon on 501.5 now - will lsn = 502 shortly=20 on off-chance - static low here, at present.

Rog.

----- Original Message -----=20

From: Alan=20 Ibbetson

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20

Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 6:21 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Re; 502.4kcs 10am, = XIZ/XAQ/PDN/KEV...

Ah, but nobody said it was supposed to be easy = :-)

Chris=20 is always 300Hz HF of me. I think he has a DC transceiver,
possibly = without=20 TX offset.

Dunno whether Ray is rock bound or not. I suspect he = is. I=20 couldn't hear
him this morning at all but Chris/XIZ copied him OK. = I'm=20 hoping moving
the loading coil towards the tower and reducing its = size will=20 reduce
losses, stabilise the resonat frequency, and perhaps improve = receive=20 a
tad.

I'll try to hear you tomorrow at 6am, but if it keeps = raining=20 there is
little chance because my aerial shifts resonance down to = 495KHz in=20 the
rain!

I'm thinking of building a transceiver for 500K so = I can=20 net on other
stations and to free up my FT1000MP Mk5 for HF again. = Rapid has=20 xtals
and ceramic resonators that appear suitable. For example, = xtals on=20 4.194
MHz and resonators on 3.69 (504KHz nominal difference). = Another=20 possible
pairing is 4.096 and 3.58 (516 difference). Both will need = the=20 ceramic
resonator pushed up a few KHz with a variable cap in series = with the=20
nominal 20pF load, but I'm assuming that is not a big deal. The = crystals=20
are only 20p each so filters should be inexpensive even if I need a=20
bucket load to get a set within 10% of the target IF=20 bandwidth.

CUL,

Alan

In message <003201c7a07b$39685970$2f= c8e150@o>,=20 Gw3UEP
<gw3uep@uklinux.net>=20 writes
>Alan/XAQ,
>FB - that's what I thought, 502cc - Chris = didn't=20 net on to you - then Ray
>came up on 501.6 - gets=20 complicated!
>Rog.
>----- Original Message = -----
>From: Alan=20 Ibbetson
>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
>Sent:=20 Sunday, May 27, 2007 2:41 PM
>Subject: Re: LF: Re; 502.4kcs 10am,=20 XIZ/XAQ/PDN/KEV...
>
>In message <000801c7a04b$32303540$b5= 33f7c2@o>,=20 Gw3UEP
><gw3uep@uklinux.net>=20 writes
>>No sign of Alan/XAQ - not certain of his freq, 502.00 = or co-ch=20 - ckd both.
>
>Rog,
>
>I'm crystal controlled on = 502.0=20 KHz. If the weather improved during the
>coming week I'll be doing = some=20 aerial work which may help sigs. I need
>something to help = reception here=20 because I don't seem to hear as well as
>others.

--=20

Cheers,

Alan G3XAQ
alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk

= ------=_NextPart_000_0077_01C7A0A5.AC9655D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237594984607714882 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs489575hue; Sun, 27 May 2007 10:25:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.30.6 with SMTP id h6mr4629384ugj.1180286753895; Sun, 27 May 2007 10:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id y7si6838308ugc.2007.05.27.10.25.51; Sun, 27 May 2007 10:25:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HsMRV-0002m1-Jp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 18:22:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HsMRV-0002ls-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 18:22:09 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.91]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsMRU-0006aJ-Hc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 18:22:09 +0100 Received: from g3xaq.demon.co.uk ([80.176.129.138]) by anchor-post-33.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HsMRR-000EKH-BR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 17:22:05 +0000 Message-ID: <44sdwkE+3bWGFwHp@g3xaq.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 18:21:02 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Alan Ibbetson References: <000801c7a04b$32303540$b533f7c2@o> <003201c7a07b$39685970$2fc8e150@o> In-Reply-To: <003201c7a07b$39685970$2fc8e150@o> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-S (<7ZhEZ1+eE9Unka1sdEfXKvpOyx>) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re; 502.4kcs 10am, XIZ/XAQ/PDN/KEV... Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7067 Ah, but nobody said it was supposed to be easy :-) Chris is always 300Hz HF of me. I think he has a DC transceiver, possibly without TX offset. Dunno whether Ray is rock bound or not. I suspect he is. I couldn't hear him this morning at all but Chris/XIZ copied him OK. I'm hoping moving the loading coil towards the tower and reducing its size will reduce losses, stabilise the resonat frequency, and perhaps improve receive a tad. I'll try to hear you tomorrow at 6am, but if it keeps raining there is little chance because my aerial shifts resonance down to 495KHz in the rain! I'm thinking of building a transceiver for 500K so I can net on other stations and to free up my FT1000MP Mk5 for HF again. Rapid has xtals and ceramic resonators that appear suitable. For example, xtals on 4.194 MHz and resonators on 3.69 (504KHz nominal difference). Another possible pairing is 4.096 and 3.58 (516 difference). Both will need the ceramic resonator pushed up a few KHz with a variable cap in series with the nominal 20pF load, but I'm assuming that is not a big deal. The crystals are only 20p each so filters should be inexpensive even if I need a bucket load to get a set within 10% of the target IF bandwidth. CUL, Alan In message <003201c7a07b$39685970$2fc8e150@o>, Gw3UEP writes >Alan/XAQ, >FB - that's what I thought, 502cc - Chris didn't net on to you - then Ray >came up on 501.6 - gets complicated! >Rog. >----- Original Message ----- >From: Alan Ibbetson >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 2:41 PM >Subject: Re: LF: Re; 502.4kcs 10am, XIZ/XAQ/PDN/KEV... > >In message <000801c7a04b$32303540$b533f7c2@o>, Gw3UEP > writes >>No sign of Alan/XAQ - not certain of his freq, 502.00 or co-ch - ckd both. > >Rog, > >I'm crystal controlled on 502.0 KHz. If the weather improved during the >coming week I'll be doing some aerial work which may help sigs. I need >something to help reception here because I don't seem to hear as well as >others. -- Cheers, Alan G3XAQ alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237594984607714882 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs487471hue; Sun, 27 May 2007 09:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.31.17 with SMTP id i17mr4572082ugj.1180283182408; Sun, 27 May 2007 09:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id c1si8911239ugf.2007.05.27.09.26.20; Sun, 27 May 2007 09:26:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HsLVj-0002Ov-84 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 17:22:27 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HsLVi-0002Om-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 17:22:26 +0100 Received: from mail3.uklinux.net ([80.84.72.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsLVh-0007hI-VJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 17:22:26 +0100 Received: from o (bts-0664.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.50.152]) by mail3.uklinux.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2E78540AB8E for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 16:22:24 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <003201c7a07b$39685970$2fc8e150@o> From: "Gw3UEP" To: References: <000801c7a04b$32303540$b533f7c2@o> Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 17:21:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re; 502.4kcs 10am, XIZ/XAQ/PDN/KEV... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C7A083.8719E690" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7068 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C7A083.8719E690 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alan/XAQ, FB - that's what I thought, 502cc - Chris didn't net on to you - then = Ray came up on 501.6 - gets complicated! Rog. ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Alan Ibbetson=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 2:41 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re; 502.4kcs 10am, XIZ/XAQ/PDN/KEV... In message <000801c7a04b$32303540$b533f7c2@o>, Gw3UEP=20 writes >No sign of Alan/XAQ - not certain of his freq, 502.00 or co-ch - ckd = both. Rog, I'm crystal controlled on 502.0 KHz. If the weather improved during the=20 coming week I'll be doing some aerial work which may help sigs. I need=20 something to help reception here because I don't seem to hear as well as = others. --=20 Cheers, Alan G3XAQ alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C7A083.8719E690 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Alan/XAQ,

FB - that's what I thought, = 502cc - Chris=20 didn't net on to you - then Ray came up on 501.6 - gets=20 complicated!

Rog.

----- Original Message -----=20

From: Alan=20 Ibbetson

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20

Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 2:41 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Re; 502.4kcs 10am, = XIZ/XAQ/PDN/KEV...

In message <000801c7a04b$32303540$b5= 33f7c2@o>,=20 Gw3UEP
<gw3uep@uklinux.net>=20 writes
>No sign of Alan/XAQ - not certain of his freq, 502.00 or = co-ch -=20 ckd both.

Rog,

I'm crystal controlled on 502.0 KHz. If the = weather=20 improved during the
coming week I'll be doing some aerial work which = may=20 help sigs. I need
something to help reception here because I don't = seem to=20 hear as well as
others.
--

Cheers,

Alan = G3XAQ
alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk

= ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C7A083.8719E690-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237594984607714882 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs483516hue; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.115.7 with SMTP id s7mr4506279ugm.1180273658511; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o1si4664531uge.2007.05.27.06.47.36; Sun, 27 May 2007 06:47:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HsJ14-0001xT-Bp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 14:42:38 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HsJ13-0001xK-QN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 14:42:37 +0100 Received: from anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net ([194.217.242.90]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsJ13-00078D-6b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 14:42:37 +0100 Received: from g3xaq.demon.co.uk ([80.176.129.138]) by anchor-post-32.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1HsJ12-000NgU-7f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 13:42:36 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 14:41:03 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Alan Ibbetson References: <000801c7a04b$32303540$b533f7c2@o> In-Reply-To: <000801c7a04b$32303540$b533f7c2@o> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Turnpike/6.04-S () X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Re; 502.4kcs 10am, XIZ/XAQ/PDN/KEV... Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii;format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7069 In message <000801c7a04b$32303540$b533f7c2@o>, Gw3UEP writes >No sign of Alan/XAQ - not certain of his freq, 502.00 or co-ch - ckd both. Rog, I'm crystal controlled on 502.0 KHz. If the weather improved during the coming week I'll be doing some aerial work which may help sigs. I need something to help reception here because I don't seem to hear as well as others. -- Cheers, Alan G3XAQ alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1237594984607714882 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.1 with SMTP id u1cs478621hue; Sun, 27 May 2007 03:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.237.9 with SMTP id k9mr4382215ugh.1180262551055; Sun, 27 May 2007 03:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 29si8547586uga.2007.05.27.03.42.28; Sun, 27 May 2007 03:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1HsG91-0001JL-KL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 11:38:39 +0100 Received: from [83.244.159.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1HsG91-0001JC-88 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 11:38:39 +0100 Received: from mail3.uklinux.net ([80.84.72.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1HsG90-0006Nx-K2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 May 2007 11:38:39 +0100 Received: from o (bts-0949.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.51.181]) by mail3.uklinux.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EE8240A2A9 for ; Sun, 27 May 2007 10:38:36 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <000801c7a04b$32303540$b533f7c2@o> From: "Gw3UEP" To: Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 11:37:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re; 502.4kcs 10am, XIZ/XAQ/PDN/KEV... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7A053.73CB6DF0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7070 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7A053.73CB6DF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris/Mal, Have MP3 recording of ur sigs if ur interested - both solid = here, interesting info fm Mal. No sign of Alan/XAQ - not certain of his freq, 502.00 or co-ch - ckd = both. Ray eventually hrd me & went QRT! 72/3, Rog. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C7A053.73CB6DF0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Chris/Mal, Have MP3 recording of ur = sigs if ur=20 interested - both solid here, interesting info fm Mal.

No sign of Alan/XAQ - not certain of = his freq,=20 502.00 or co-ch - ckd both.

Ray eventually hrd me & went = QRT!

72/3, Rog.

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Sat, 12 May 2007 23:21:34 +0100 Received: from mxoutlb02.versatel.de ([89.246.255.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hmzy2-0000sR-52 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 May 2007 23:21:34 +0100 Received: from mxlb06.versatel.de (mx01.versatel.de [212.7.146.1]) by mxoutlb02.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l4CMLSZP016587 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 00:21:28 +0200 Received: from localhost ([62.214.100.62]) by mxlb06.versatel.de (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l4CMLSki021555 for ; Sun, 13 May 2007 00:21:28 +0200 Received: from i577a98ee.versanet.de (i577a98ee.versanet.de [87.122.152.238]) by webmail.versatel.de (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Sun, 13 May 2007 00:21:28 +0200 Message-ID: <20070513002128.q9fuxfrpyh28ksw4@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Sun, 13 May 2007 00:21:28 +0200 From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c794cd$f8815320$aa7ba8c0@ACER> In-Reply-To: <000e01c794cd$f8815320$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,NO_REAL_NAME=0.55 Subject: Re: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): be.jpg Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7072 Zitat von henny van elst : > .nice signal di2be > best 73 > henny > pa3cpm jo22mb > Hi Henny, nice to read this weak output reaches somewhere. best 73 Uwe/dj8wx/di2be From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1236270310316670521 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.78.172.11 with SMTP id u11cs176027hue; Sat, 12 May 2007 12:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.93.7 with SMTP id v7mr3856327ugl.1178999243103; 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Sat, 12 May 2007 21:44:37 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 12 May 2007 21:44:35 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <000e01c794cd$f8815320$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3028 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3028 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.220,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.879,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): be.jpg Content-type: multipart/mixed; boundary="Boundary_(ID_0dbS46vm/X+BhrqgzxrcXQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7073 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_0dbS46vm/X+BhrqgzxrcXQ) Content-type: multipart/alternative; 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.nice signal di2be

best 73

henny

pa3cpm jo22mb

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-0000 X-YMail-OSG: e0UtkpgVM1kvWP5ZQ7MYhmOfj93ZIHgvMLV_0sDzxWV86p782YlE_lSfCYU.lvCh_Qj5E6XNug-- From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sun, 27 May 2007 12:57:17 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <88d2415e0705270445i59e4ffe8j188b28a18400f7cb@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal DomainKey-Status: good (testing) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: [500] kHz Activity Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C7A05E.8E676820" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_40_50, HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 7074 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C7A05E.8E676820 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Laurie, LF, Your sigs were 579 at this location. M0FMT was 579 also. Other stations heard this morning:- G3KEV 549, G3XIQ 559 and G3XIZ (I think!) . I didn't actually hear Chris because I was away from the rig, but there was a big fat 599 Spectran trace on 502.4 which was about the right strength. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of lawrence mayhead Sent: 27 May 2007 12:45 To: rsgb Subject: LF: 500kHz M0FMT 12:15 your CQ sigs 559 here, but no reply to my call ! 73 Laurie G3AQC ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C7A05E.8E676820 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,=20 Laurie, LF,

Your=20 sigs were 579 at this location. M0FMT was 579 also.

Other=20 stations heard this morning:- G3KEV 549, G3XIQ 559 and G3XIZ (I think!) = . I=20 didn't actually hear Chris because I was away from the rig, but there = was a big=20 fat 599 Spectran trace on 502.4 which was about the right=20 strength.

73,=20 Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of = lawrence=20 mayhead
Sent: 27 May 2007 12:45
To:=20 rsgb
Subject: LF: 500kHz

M0FMT
12:15 = your CQ=20 sigs 559 here, but no reply to my call !
73 Laurie=20 G3AQC

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Hello Dave,

You signal is rst 549 in the = Netherlands in=20 JO11tm.

Good aural copy over a 288 km = path.

Best regards,

Roelof Bakker, = pa0rdt

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