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Hello all ,


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Hi Chris I forgot to add that there are free programs for panel design
floating around on the web. You can save your own symbols and use someting
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Hello LFers,

Does anyone here know how the Kenwood TS-440 fares at 500 kHz.?
Mine does a fine job down at 137 and equally well on the Lowfer 160-
190 kHz. range, but it seems a little "deaf" around 500.  I'm wondering
if there's an attenuator that's getting switched in above 200 kHz.?

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
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Hello Jim and Group,

You have mentioned around 0.02uV/m, at the equivalent noise BW of 3sec AR=
GO,=20
for the noise field strength in your location during daytime, can you tel=
l=20
me what level do you have at night? In my noisy urban location the daytim=
e=20
noise is around -20 dB(uV/m) for 1 Hz BW, so I think the true atmospheric=
=20
noise is very far, hi.

73 de Jos=E9, EA1PX



----- Original Message -----=20
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Sergeant" <dave@davesergeant.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 1:29 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: [500 kHz] DI2BO has 1.7 mW ERP!
>
>
>> Thanks for the update Geri, it perhaps shows that all the magic
>> formulas we are using to estimate our ERP are somewhat wide of the
>> mark.
>
> Dear Dave, LF Group,
>
> Not neccesarily - assuming a distance between you and DI2BO of around=20
> 700km,
> an ERP of 1.7mW in a straight line in free space gives a field strength=
 at
> your antenna of about 0.4uV/m, according to the formulas. There will be
> additional losses due to the signal having to be reflected by the
> ionosphere, so the signal might only be 0.1uV/m in practice. My rough
> estimate of the noise level on 500kHz is something like 0.3uV/m in a CW
> bandwidth on a good day, or about 0.02uV/m using Argo in 3s dot mode, s=
o
> there is actually quite a decent margin, providing propagation is
> favourable.
>
>>It also gives me some comfort that my vertical, estimated to
>> have 1% efficiency on a good day, will put out something others can
>> copy. When I have built the transmitter of course, at least I now
>> have my UK NOV.
>
> If your antenna can achieve 1% efficiency, you will only need about 5.5=
W=20
> of
> TX power to achieve the full "legal limit" 100mW ERP, so you should be=20
> able
> to compete on even terms as far as TX signal goes... this is a much eas=
ier
> prospect on 500kHz than 136k, becauase the antenna efficiency for the s=
ame
> bit of wire is about 20 or more times greater than at LF, plus the lowe=
r
> noise level offsets the reduced ERP limit to some extent. On the debit=20
> side,
> higher ground-wave losses can be expected on 500kHz, making signal rang=
e=20
> in
> daylight rather shorter, and as we have all experienced, the faster QSB=
 is
> quite a problem.
>
>>
>> I may have been confusing DJ2BO with DI2AG the other night and was
>> actually listening to AG audible above the noise. Last night SM6BHZ
>> was on, he is incredibly strong here, peaking 599 on the S meter. So
>> I was unable to repeat the test to see if I could hear either by ear
>> as BHZ was a little too close for my 400Hz filter. But will do so
>> tonight or tomorrow.
>
> I think Gus SM6BHZ is running about 10W ERP - truly a big signal in thi=
s
> context!
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>=20



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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Sergeant" <dave@davesergeant.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: LF: [500 kHz] DI2BO has 1.7 mW ERP!


> Thanks for the update Geri, it perhaps shows that all the magic
> formulas we are using to estimate our ERP are somewhat wide of the
> mark.

Dear Dave, LF Group,

Not neccesarily - assuming a distance between you and DI2BO of around 700km,
an ERP of 1.7mW in a straight line in free space gives a field strength at
your antenna of about 0.4uV/m, according to the formulas. There will be
additional losses due to the signal having to be reflected by the
ionosphere, so the signal might only be 0.1uV/m in practice. My rough
estimate of the noise level on 500kHz is something like 0.3uV/m in a CW
bandwidth on a good day, or about 0.02uV/m using Argo in 3s dot mode, so
there is actually quite a decent margin, providing propagation is
favourable.

>It also gives me some comfort that my vertical, estimated to
> have 1% efficiency on a good day, will put out something others can
> copy. When I have built the transmitter of course, at least I now
> have my UK NOV.

If your antenna can achieve 1% efficiency, you will only need about 5.5W of
TX power to achieve the full "legal limit" 100mW ERP, so you should be able
to compete on even terms as far as TX signal goes... this is a much easier
prospect on 500kHz than 136k, becauase the antenna efficiency for the same
bit of wire is about 20 or more times greater than at LF, plus the lower
noise level offsets the reduced ERP limit to some extent. On the debit side,
higher ground-wave losses can be expected on 500kHz, making signal range in
daylight rather shorter, and as we have all experienced, the faster QSB is
quite a problem.

>
> I may have been confusing DJ2BO with DI2AG the other night and was
> actually listening to AG audible above the noise. Last night SM6BHZ
> was on, he is incredibly strong here, peaking 599 on the S meter. So
> I was unable to repeat the test to see if I could hear either by ear
> as BHZ was a little too close for my 400Hz filter. But will do so
> tonight or tomorrow.

I think Gus SM6BHZ is running about 10W ERP - truly a big signal in this
context!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Thanks for the update Geri, it perhaps shows that all the magic 
formulas we are using to estimate our ERP are somewhat wide of the 
mark. It also gives me some comfort that my vertical, estimated to 
have 1% efficiency on a good day, will put out something others can 
copy. When I have built the transmitter of course, at least I now 
have my UK NOV.

I may have been confusing DJ2BO with DI2AG the other night and was 
actually listening to AG audible above the noise. Last night SM6BHZ 
was on, he is incredibly strong here, peaking 599 on the S meter. So 
I was unable to repeat the test to see if I could hear either by ear 
as BHZ was a little too close for my 400Hz filter. But will do so 
tonight or tomorrow.

Must dash.
73 Dave G3YMC

On 15 Apr 2007 at 2:26, Holger 'Geri', DK8KW wrote:

> Hello Dave and also all the others observing DI2BO (and the other
> beacons on 500 kHz),
> 
> 
> Today the weather was fine and I took the chance to drive around and
> do some ERP field-measurements. 
> 
> Technically I used the MV-62 Measurement Receiver that reads the
> signal strength in dBu. As an antenna I used a simple open loop with 1
> m diameter. To measure the distance to DI2BO I used a Garmin XL-45
> handheld GPS system.
> 
> Mathematically I used a set of formulas that Markus, DF6NM helped me
> to develop (thanks, Markus!). These formuals come up with the EIRP,
> the effective radiated power above an isotropic radiator. For those
> interested in the forumas, please find attached a samle XLS file. For
> techical details, please ask Markus, he is much of an expert in this
> than I am ;-)
> 
> Next I used some ITU definitions to convert EIRP to ERP (DEFINITIONS
> OF RADIATION IN LF, MF AND HF BROADCASTING BANDS),  in which is
> stated:  
> 
> 
> The value of the e.r.p. is related to the e.i.r.p. by the expression:
> e.r.p. = 0.61 e.i.r.p. (linear scale)
> 
> e.r.p. = e.i.r.p. - 2.2 dB (logarithmic scale)
> 
> 
> 
> Here are the results, measured at three different locations: 
> 
> 1,02 km distnce: 1,63 mW ERP
> 1,57 km distance: 1,85 mW ERP    
> 2,01 km distance: 1,56 mW ERP
> 
> The average of these three measurementsis around 1,7 mW ERP!
> 
> This makes alle your observations even more astonishing. I would not
> have guessed that a 500 kHz at that ERP level signal would span that
> distance, espeically audiably. With this low power level it also shows
> the important efect of QSB from variations in the ionosphere.
> 
> Until further notice DI2BO will transmit on 505,015 kHz with 1,7 Watt
> ERP day and night (24/7), so please keep watching and observing and
> keep thos reports coming in.
> 
> Best 73
> 
> Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO 
> 
> DI2BO: antenna system is a "long wire", simply about 8 m wire
> vertically up to a 10m mast, then another 8m wite horizontally to the
> roof of my house. OOutpur power is around 10 Watt (DEBEG 7121 on
> "reduced power"). 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Dave Sergeant" <dave@davesergeant.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:39 AM
> Subject: Re: LF: DI2BO
> 
> 
> > Just to report that when I came back into the shack at 2100z DI2BO
> > was clearly audible to my ears, peaking 439 here in Bracknell
> > IO91PJ. I was rather amused to clearly hear it send its CW id
> > 'DI2AG' !! GI4DPE was also heard beaconing in normal CW around
> > 501.15.
> > 
> > This maybe highlights the problem with QRSS on 500kHz. I have
> > already noted slow and very deep QSB on many signals. While I was
> > watching DI2BO on Argo last night I found that it would pop above my
> > noise level for only 1 out of 3 or 4 callsign sequences and between
> > that there was little more than the odd dot visible. When it
> > appeared most but never all of a complete call was visible and it
> > clearly peaked quite strong for just a few characters. If I had not
> > known what the call was I would have had to listen a long time to
> > postively identify it. However when it sent its ID on normal CW when
> > listening without Argo later that was copyable in its entirety
> > (admittedly wrong!).
> > 
> > 73 Dave G3YMC
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > http://www.davesergeant.com
> > 
> > 


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Hello Dave and also all the others observing DI2BO (and the other =
beacons on 500 kHz),


Today the weather was fine and I took the chance to drive around and do =
some ERP field-measurements.=20

Technically I used the MV-62 Measurement Receiver that reads the signal =
strength in dBu. As an antenna I used a simple open loop with 1 m =
diameter. To measure the distance to DI2BO I used a Garmin XL-45 =
handheld GPS system.

Mathematically I used a set of formulas that Markus, DF6NM helped me to =
develop (thanks, Markus!). These formuals come up with the EIRP, the =
effective radiated power above an isotropic radiator. For those =
interested in the forumas, please find attached a samle XLS file. For =
techical details, please ask Markus, he is much of an expert in this =
than I am ;-)

Next I used some ITU definitions to convert EIRP to ERP (DEFINITIONS OF =
RADIATION IN LF, MF AND HF BROADCASTING BANDS),  in which is stated: =20


The value of the e.r.p. is related to the e.i.r.p. by the expression:
e.r.p. =3D 0.61 e.i.r.p. (linear scale)

e.r.p. =3D e.i.r.p. - 2.2 dB (logarithmic scale)



Here are the results, measured at three different locations:=20

1,02 km distnce: 1,63 mW ERP
1,57 km distance: 1,85 mW ERP   =20
2,01 km distance: 1,56 mW ERP

The average of these three measurementsis around 1,7 mW ERP!

This makes alle your observations even more astonishing. I would not =
have guessed that a 500 kHz at that ERP level signal would span that =
distance, espeically audiably. With this low power level it also shows =
the important efect of QSB from variations in the ionosphere.

Until further notice DI2BO will transmit on 505,015 kHz with 1,7 Watt =
ERP day and night (24/7), so please keep watching and observing and keep =
thos reports coming in.

Best 73

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO=20

DI2BO: antenna system is a "long wire", simply about 8 m wire vertically =
up to a 10m mast, then another 8m wite horizontally to the roof of my =
house. OOutpur power is around 10 Watt (DEBEG 7121 on "reduced power").=20





----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Dave Sergeant" <dave@davesergeant.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: LF: DI2BO


> Just to report that when I came back into the shack at 2100z DI2BO=20
> was clearly audible to my ears, peaking 439 here in Bracknell IO91PJ.=20
> I was rather amused to clearly hear it send its CW id 'DI2AG' !!=20
> GI4DPE was also heard beaconing in normal CW around 501.15.
>=20
> This maybe highlights the problem with QRSS on 500kHz. I have already=20
> noted slow and very deep QSB on many signals. While I was watching=20
> DI2BO on Argo last night I found that it would pop above my noise=20
> level for only 1 out of 3 or 4 callsign sequences and between that=20
> there was little more than the odd dot visible. When it appeared most=20
> but never all of a complete call was visible and it clearly peaked=20
> quite strong for just a few characters. If I had not known what the=20
> call was I would have had to listen a long time to postively identify=20
> it. However when it sent its ID on normal CW when listening without=20
> Argo later that was copyable in its entirety (admittedly wrong!).
>=20
> 73 Dave G3YMC
>=20
>=20
>=20
> http://www.davesergeant.com
>=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Dave and also all the others =
observing DI2BO=20
(and the other beacons on 500 kHz),</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Today the weather was fine and I took =
the chance to=20
drive around and do some ERP field-measurements. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Technically I used the MV-62 =
Measurement Receiver=20
that reads the signal strength in dBu. As an antenna I used a simple =
open loop=20
with 1 m diameter. To measure the distance to DI2BO I used a Garmin =
XL-45=20
handheld GPS&nbsp;system.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mathematically I used a set of formulas =
that=20
Markus, DF6NM&nbsp;helped me to develop (thanks, Markus!).&nbsp;These =
formuals=20
come&nbsp;up with the EIRP, the effective radiated power above an =
isotropic=20
radiator. For those interested in the forumas, please find attached a =
samle XLS=20
file. For techical details, please ask Markus, he is much of an expert =
in this=20
than I am ;-)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Next I used some ITU definitions to =
convert EIRP to=20
ERP (DEFINITIONS OF RADIATION IN LF, MF AND HF BROADCASTING=20
BANDS),&nbsp;&nbsp;in which is stated:&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The value of the e.r.p. is related to =
the e.i.r.p.=20
by the expression:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>e.r.p. =3D 0.61 e.i.r.p. =
(linear=20
scale)</FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>e.r.p. =3D e.i.r.p. =96 2.2 =
dB (logarithmic=20
scale)</FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here are the results, =
measured at three=20
different locations: </FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1,02 km distnce: 1,63 mW =
ERP<BR>1,57 km=20
distance: 1,85 mW ERP&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>2,01 km distance: 1,56 mW=20
ERP<BR><BR>The average of these three measurementsis around 1,7 mW=20
ERP!</FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This makes alle your =
observations even=20
more astonishing. I would not have guessed that a 500 kHz at that ERP =
level=20
signal would span that distance, espeically audiably.&nbsp;</FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial size=3D2>With this low power level it also shows the =
important efect of=20
QSB from variations in the ionosphere.</FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Until further notice DI2BO =
will transmit=20
on 505,015 kHz with 1,7 Watt ERP day and night (24/7), so please keep =
watching=20
and observing and keep thos reports coming in.</FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best 73</FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO =
</FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DI2BO: antenna system is a =
"long wire",=20
simply about 8 m wire vertically up to a 10m mast, then another 8m wite=20
horizontally to the roof of my house. OOutpur power is around 10 Watt =
(DEBEG=20
7121 on "reduced power"). </FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From: "Dave Sergeant" &lt;</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:dave@davesergeant.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>dave@davesergeant.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To: &lt;</FONT><A=20
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:39 =
AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Subject: Re: LF: =
DI2BO</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><BR><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>&gt; Just to report that when I came back into the shack at =
2100z DI2BO=20
<BR>&gt; was clearly audible to my ears, peaking 439 here in Bracknell =
IO91PJ.=20
<BR>&gt; I was rather amused to clearly hear it send its CW id 'DI2AG' =
!!=20
<BR>&gt; GI4DPE was also heard beaconing in normal CW around =
501.15.<BR>&gt;=20
<BR>&gt; This maybe highlights the problem with QRSS on 500kHz. I have =
already=20
<BR>&gt; noted slow and very deep QSB on many signals. While I was =
watching=20
<BR>&gt; DI2BO on Argo last night I found that it would pop above my =
noise=20
<BR>&gt; level for only 1 out of 3 or 4 callsign sequences and between =
that=20
<BR>&gt; there was little more than the odd dot visible. When it =
appeared most=20
<BR>&gt; but never all of a complete call was visible and it clearly =
peaked=20
<BR>&gt; quite strong for just a few characters. If I had not known what =
the=20
<BR>&gt; call was I would have had to listen a long time to postively =
identify=20
<BR>&gt; it. However when it sent its ID on normal CW when listening =
without=20
<BR>&gt; Argo later that was copyable in its entirety (admittedly=20
wrong!).<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 73 Dave G3YMC<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;=20
</FONT><A href=3D"http://www.davesergeant.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>http://www.davesergeant.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial =
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You will find coupling with all tuned aerials placed close together whether
loops or wires, I put it as a sort of GDO effect in reverse. The tuned wire
is collecting a signal current and come of this is coupled into the loop
destroying its directivity. This should happen at 136 as well because the
near field region is even bigger, but may depend on the size of the signals
or noise that are being "collected". You can measure this effect with an
aerial bridge.
http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/aecouple.htm
There was some recent EZNEC calculations published in QEX with investigated
resonant v non-resonant wires at different orientations to the driven wire.
(HF but the resulat are pertinent)

Cheers de Alan G3NYK


----- Original Message -----
From: Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
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Subject: LF: RE: 500 Loops (was PA2NL)


> Hi, Laurie, LF.
>
> I use a tuned loop for Rx on 136 kHz, and it is also affected by the TX
> "Tee" antenna. I use a relay to open circuit the earth return at the
bottom
> of the TX antenna ATU  when the loop is in use. The problem isn't due to
the
> presence of the TX antenna wire itself, but the problems occur when the
wire
> is resonated by the TX ATU. The TX ATU earth has a 1 meg bleed resistor
left
> in circuit to leak away any static build up.
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>   -----Original Message-----
>   From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of lawrence mayhead
>   Sent: 29 April 2007 10:20
>   To: rsgb
>   Subject: LF: 500 PA2NL QRS
>
>
>   PA2 beacon very strong here also, on the south coast.
>
>   Interesting antenna effect:-
>   I run a pair of large grounded loops situated close to the main TX
antenna
> (inv L )
>   These have worked very well on 136 and are quite directional, providing
> useful
>   improvement in SNR. On 500kHz however they are not directional, at least
> not
>   in the right directions.
>   I have spent several hours trying to find out what has gone wrong with
> them !
>   By chance this morning I left the TX ant. grounded and was surprised to
> find that
>   the loops are now directional. So it looks like there is much more
> coupling between the
>   TX and RX ants on 500 than 136.
>   Could this simply be capacitive ? perhaps I need smaller loops?
>   Anyway if you are running a RX loop close to your TX antenna, beware.
>   73 Laurie.
>



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Peter, I may be being obstinate but the answer to question one is "reduce
the transmitter power until the aerial current criterion is met". I think
most home built PAs will be capable of running more than the limit, but
going into too much detail may be a delusion....if you play around with the
supply voltage, for instance, the impedance, efficiency change, and
harmonic/spurious content may change.

On the second item send them details of your aerial by all means, but
indicate that as this is an experimental licence that may not remain the
prefered solution (particularly as you have a difficult site) and any new
arrangement will be assessed for its Rrad and the transmitter adjusted to
ensure that the radiation with the new arrangement stays within the permit
ERP limit. As full licencees we are supposed to be able to assess whether or
not we are operating within the terms and conditions of the licence/permit.
This is a basic tenet of Amateur Radio !  All I think you need to do is show
you understand how to do it, otherwise why are Ofcom moving the goalposts,
or are they too atuned to appliance operators! The alternative to this is
Ofcom flooded with requests to ammend height by 14.75 inches etc!! which is
patently silly.

In your case a plan view of the aerial will not tell them very much, because
the position with respect to the sloping ground will determine the effective
height, or Rrad. The ground quality wont matter as you will just use more
power to overcome the loss resistance. which is in series with the Rrad. The
only sensible check of whether you are getting right will be a field
strength measurement at about 1km. My guess because of the trees is that you
will be under the limit even when running a best-estimate aerial current.
The spreadsheet only "works" for an inverted L (not a V) over flat
unobstructed ground ....not a description of the average garden. One can
them make informed guesses as to what the effect of a sloping wire or
sloping ground might be. .... and then the aerial will not radiate like the
ideal specimen assumed in the ERP definition !! In general I think it is
safe to say the actual ERP will be less than the theoretical.

I feel the above may not be helpful. Give them what they ask for but no
more, otherwise you will be binding yourself to conditions you may not be
able to work under. I dont think it is necessary to tell them HOW you are
going to adjust the TX power, it depend on what rig you choose to use.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: 500KHz NOV


> From G3JFS
>
> Hullo All,
>
> In my application for an NOV I indicated that erp would be assessed using
> the table published by Alan G3NYK and measuring the aerial current. I have
> received the following request from OFCOM:
>
>
> "Thank you for your recent  application for a Special Research Permit to
> operate in the bands 501 -504kHz.  Your application is currently being
processed
> pending  authorisation.
> Whilst this is in  motion I would just like to request  further
information.
> i)                    Could you please  provide a statement on how you
> propose to control your transmissions to within  the maximum limit of
<-10dBW
> ii)                   Also please provide a  plan view of the aerial
system
> along with complete details of wire lengths and  heights. Also giving
> relationships to boundary fences, neighbouring buildings  etc
> I appreciate that this  was not an explicit requirement in the original
> application however we do still  need this information."
> The site plan is no  problem, just a hassle, though the RSGB guidelines
> indicated it was not  necessary because of the distance between my aerial
and
> boundaries/neighbours.
> To avoid more delay  any suggestions as to how best to respond?  Also as a
> matter of interest  what sort of figures are current users getting in the
way of
> efficiency,  aerial current and transmitter power output to achieve 100mW
> erp?  I shall  be using a 120 ft end fed wire, 30 ft high on a steeply
sloping
> site surrounded  on three sides by very tall trees over very poor (RF)
ground.
> 73 Peter  G3JFS
>
>
>
>
>



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Hi Peter & LF,

I had a similar e-mail from Ofcom.

Copy of Ofcom mail & my reply below, the NOV was issued soon after.

I hope this helps.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

***************************
Mr Taylor,
Thank you for your recent application for a Special Research Permit to 
operate in the bands 501 -504kHz. Your application is currently being 
processed pending authorisation.

Whilst this is in motion I would just like to gain further clarity on the 
matter relating to ERP levels.

Could you therefore please provide a statement on how you propose to control 
your transmissions to within the limit of <-10dBW

I appreciate that this was not an explicit requirement in the original 
application however we do still need this information.

I await your response and, in the meantime, would like to take this 
opportunity to thank you again for contacting Ofcom.

***********MY REPLY**************

Hello Mr Gohil,

Thank you for your e-mail.

I propose to control the transmissions from my 500 KHz station using the
following method, the PA stage of the transmitter will have two means of
control,

1 - Variable DC voltage supply of 9 to 15 volts
2 - Tapped output transformer

I will adjust these variables whilst monitoring the antenna current to
maintain an ERP of no greater than -10 dbW.

My detailed explanation :-

The transmitter I propose to construct for this frequency will have a single
low power mosfet PA operating in class C or D mode with a variable DC
voltage supply of 9 to 15 volts to the output transistor and I estimate it
to produce 25 watts DC input.

Assuming around 90% efficiency this will give an RF output of around 22.5
watts to my 12 metre vertical Marconi top loaded antenna in my small garden
which I have calculated to be 1.07 % efficient at 504 KHz and will require
0.41 Amp aerial current for an ERP of -10dbW.

Taking into consideration the antenna efficiency, feeder and other losses I
doubt that this transmitter power will even allow the antenna to radiate -10
dbW ERP, I have calculated that 50 watts DC input will be required to meet
the maximum ERP allowed with my system. I have taken the steps to keep the
maximum available transmitter power low so as to easily maintain lower
than -10 dbW ERP.
*******************************************



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Hi David,
I built that Chebyshev low pass filter. the attenuation here is 36dB at the
second and 63dB at the third harmonic ? that?s what I expected.
now my class D PA can be switched to the 137kHz LPF  or to that above 
mentioned
LPF.

BTW. The only modification of the class D  G0MRF / G3YXM PA to run it 
at 500kHz
I made: reducing the stability resistors R20 and R21 to 4,8R. With 10R or 6,8R
it doesn?t work because the rectangular drive signs are deformed to somewhat
like spikes. (D4 and D5 are not installed).

thanks Dave

regards
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'afternoon all,
 
I had the NoV arrive today and got on the air at 1520z with G3KEV. I've  
since worked G3UNT. The statio here is simple, just a 6L6 c/o at 2w and a  two 
valve 6SK7 regen receiver. Kindly do not laugh, it works well. The receiver  is 
stunning to say the least.
 
I have a new three stage transmitter on the stocks and an upconverter using  
'fire fet' technology. The antenna is a 20m dipole at 30 ft with the feeders  
strapped and an ex navy variometer. My garden is tiny, only 35ft by 45 ft,  
although I have an extensive radial system stretching out into the field and  
under the new driveway.
 
Hopefully I will work many of you before too long. I would like to thank  
GI3PDN and G3ROO for their encouragement in getting on the band. Hopefully the  
operations on '5 ton' will remain as in true amateur radio form with homebrew,  
low power, self training and, at last, not a contest in sight. As I was told 
by  GI3PDN -'there are no pot hunters around'.
 
73
 
Colin G3VTT



   

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Does anyone have a prog that can "back track" field strength in say u/V into 
50 ohms for ground wave inputting ground conductivity, freq etc with 
distance?


Im trying to work out at 137Khz the following - on a quiet day light path, 
say noise at -110dbm or better into 50ohms, summer time conditions, Im 
receiving  (did receive) wd2xdw in southern texas (Utopia W of San Antonio) 
at circa 500 miles at >-108 dBm - Actually I could read just the CW ID at 
this distance -


Can we track back from the received level with any certainly +- say 3dB  the 
associated ERP of the transmitting station at that distance given the 
received signal strength from a say uncalibrated receive antennae knowing 
just that at F Khz its likely the receive quiet day noise level is unlikely 
to be above N -dBm - and the rx sensitivity will always be better than that?

I know there are tons of variability, and many dBs of variables involved in 
the path losses associated with the ground conductivity..

I notice using the USA conductivity map that XDW did a lot better than I 
expected in the directions associated with improved ground condiuctivity - 
no real suprises there but it was many dBs higher than I would have thought.

Singapore -

The good news here is that it looks like we have secured a top floor 
"penthouse" apartment- 4 floors up with space for external antennae and 
permission from the owner to run the radio station. Open to most directions 
:-))

CHeers

Laurence 9V1 Singapore

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GM Dave!
Yes, it was GI4DPE, the mistake of my fingers (HI), becouse in my log it
is right.=20
I have been pleased to listen this station, it is my second ham station
from UK I have ever listened on 500kHz.
I am sure, it is more than 1200km far from me (although UK stations use
very low power only!).

73, Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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On 22 Apr 2007 at 8:39, Lubom=EDr Bobal=EDk wrote:

> Hallo LF=B4s!
>=20
> I saw and listened signals from GI4DPI last night:
> From 22:40 to 23:00 UT on 503.8kHz. The station worked like beacon.
> RST from 229 to 449, and "T".=20
>=20
> What is QRA lacator GI4DPI? There is no information on QRZ.com about
> it. I would like to calculate the distance.
>=20
> 73, Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
>=20

The call is actually GI4DPE.....

I assume this is actually Finbar EI0CF operating from somewhere=20
across the border. QRZ.COM says:

GI4DPE  - Finbar, City of Derry, Northern Ireland (but there is no=20
city Derry in NI ....)
G4DPE - F P O'Connor, Formby. Liverpool
EI0CF - Finbar O'Connor, Malin, County Donegal

So don't know Finbar's actual locator, maybe we shouldn't ask....

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com




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On 22 Apr 2007 at 8:39, Lubom=EDr Bobal=EDk wrote:

> Hallo LF=B4s!
> 
> I saw and listened signals from GI4DPI last night:
> From 22:40 to 23:00 UT on 503.8kHz. The station worked like beacon.
> RST from 229 to 449, and "T". 
> 
> What is QRA lacator GI4DPI? There is no information on QRZ.com about
> it. I would like to calculate the distance.
> 
> 73, Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
> 

The call is actually GI4DPE.....

I assume this is actually Finbar EI0CF operating from somewhere 
across the border. QRZ.COM says:

GI4DPE  - Finbar, City of Derry, Northern Ireland (but there is no 
city Derry in NI ....)
G4DPE - F P O'Connor, Formby. Liverpool
EI0CF - Finbar O'Connor, Malin, County Donegal

So don't know Finbar's actual locator, maybe we shouldn't ask....

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com



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Hallo LF=B4s!
=20
I saw and listened signals from GI4DPI last night:
>From 22:40 to 23:00 UT on 503.8kHz. The station worked like beacon.
RST from 229 to 449, and "T".=20
=20
What is QRA lacator GI4DPI? There is no information on QRZ.com about it.
I would like to calculate the distance.
=20
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Hi All,

I have a JRC NRD-345 receiver which is equal on 136 kHz & 500 kHz & a Yaesu 
FT-847 transceiver which is very poor on 136 kHz & good on 500 kHz.

But - the 847 is superior on normal CW even on a untuned antenna (probably 
the filters) but not as good as the 345 on QRSS signals using SpecLab etc.

So I watch the band on a slow SpecLab with the 345 & listen to normal CW on 
the 847 using my Sandpiper V9 vertical.

No pre-amps yet.

73

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Interesting analysis Chris! Not really got round to tabulating actual 
figures, and one significant factor which makes it difficult is the 
slow QSB on all signals, do these relate to peaks of QSB perhaps?

You are the strongest signal I receive here with G3KEV and SM6BHZ 
closely behind, all around 589 on peaks.  G3AQC slightly down on 
them. G3UNT varies from just above noise to around 579, as are 
GI4PDE, GI3PDN. Not heard Derek G3GRO yet. There seems quite a lot of 
activity on the band tonight including a new GW3 stations! These are 
using my Datong UC/1 feeding  K2 on 28MHz, 400Hz cw filter. Antenna 
Butternut vertical base resonated, noise level varies and is normally 
fairly low but does get up to s6 at times.

Making excellent progress with the TX here, I now have built twin 
VXOs at 5.9 and 6.4MHz and mixed them to produce a nice 500kHz sine 
wave. VXO range checked and adjusted (pulling one crystal low with a 
10uH choke and the other one high with the tuning cap) and now nicely 
covers the whole 3kHz. On with the keyed driver tomorrow.

Looking for a tuned circuit for the mixer output I realised I could 
scrounge one from an old MW radio IF -  worked like a dream with only 
a small tweak needed to peak the output. Which brings the next 
question, have people had problems with IF breakthough on MW?

73 Dave G3YMC

On 19 Apr 2007 at 20:38, CHRISTOPHER OSBORN wrote:

> Dear LF,
> 
> I have just calibrated my 500 kHz DC RX using an AF-derived agc and
> s-meter. The agc / s-meter are driven after a narrow audio filter. I
> used a signal generator and a switched attenuator.
> 
> Attaching my receive loop aerial rotated for minimum local QRM I have
> a usual noise level of about 7 dB (uV) - S 4 - 5  (assuming S9 = 50
> uV) The main station end fed wire aerial gives a noise level of 16 dB
> (uV) - S6  !! At times the local noise level is significantly worse.
> My apologies to those who have called me and have not been heard.
> 
> The RX internal noise with aerials disconnected is well below 0 dB
> (uV).
> 
> Assuming there's no flaw in my calibration method I have registered
> the following stations' readings, using the loop rotated for optimum
> signal:
> 
> G3KEV     32  dB (uV)
> G3ROO    25    "
> G3GRO    19    "
> G3UNT     18    "
> 
> Any comments or suggestions are welcome.
> 
> Is there a list of 500 kHz operators ?
> To date I have registered 19 of whom I have worked 14.
> 
> 73 Chris G3XIZ

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Dear LF,

I have just calibrated my 500 kHz DC RX using an AF-derived agc and s-meter.
The agc / s-meter are driven after a narrow audio filter.
I used a signal generator and a switched attenuator.

Attaching my receive loop aerial rotated for minimum local QRM I have a usual noise level of about 7 dB (uV) - S 4 - 5  (assuming S9 = 50 uV)
The main station end fed wire aerial gives a noise level of 16 dB (uV) - S6  !!
At times the local noise level is significantly worse.
My apologies to those who have called me and have not been heard.

The RX internal noise with aerials disconnected is well below 0 dB (uV).

Assuming there's no flaw in my calibration method I have registered the following
stations' readings, using the loop rotated for optimum signal:

G3KEV     32  dB (uV)
G3ROO    25    "
G3GRO    19    "
G3UNT     18    "

Any comments or suggestions are welcome.

Is there a list of 500 kHz operators ?
To date I have registered 19 of whom I have worked 14.

73 Chris G3XIZ




       
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Dear LF,<br><br>I have just calibrated my 500 kHz DC RX using an AF-derived agc and s-meter.<br>The agc / s-meter are driven after a narrow audio filter.<br>I used a signal generator and a switched attenuator.<br><br>Attaching my receive loop aerial rotated for minimum local QRM I have a usual noise level of about 7 dB (uV) - S 4 - 5&nbsp; (assuming S9 = 50 uV)<br>The main station end fed wire aerial gives a noise level of 16 dB (uV) - S6&nbsp; !!<br>At times the local noise level is significantly worse.<br>My apologies to those who have called me and have not been heard.<br><br>The RX internal noise with aerials disconnected is well below 0 dB (uV).<br><br>Assuming there's no flaw in my calibration method I have registered the following<br>stations' readings, using the loop rotated for optimum signal:<br><br>G3KEV&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 32&nbsp; dB (uV)<br>G3ROO&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 25&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "<br>G3GRO&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 19&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 "<br>G3UNT&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 18&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "<br><br>Any comments or suggestions are welcome.<br><br>Is there a list of 500 kHz operators ?<br>To date I have registered 19 of whom I have worked 14.<br><br>73 Chris G3XIZ<br><br><br><br><p>&#32;


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Hallo Dmitry and LF=B4s!
I have had QSO with EW6GB at 19:45 UT on 137.712kHz. The distance  is
1072km.
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73!
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
=20
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dmitri
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Hi LF's

EW6GB on 137.312 QRSS3



Dmitry

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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dmitri<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, April 20, =
2007 8:42
PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: =
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<br>
EW6GB on 137.312 QRSS3<br>
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Hello Alan,

All Ok now, I have tested both spreadsheets on line & downloaded to my hard 
disk & they work fine.

Thanks for your efforts.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
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> Hi Gary and Dave, if and when you have time could you please try again 
> now.
> I resaved them and the file is smaller. I guess it may be my usual problem
> with the scroll mouse, having set the dropdown window, I roll the
> scrol-wheell and it changes the setting. I keep forgetting to left click
> outside the drop-down, before using the scroll-wheel.
>
> They load onto my ver. 7 Excel now (Win 95 version .....meany !!)
>
> I think they must have been text or Works files.
>
> Thanks, I hope that the last glitch tonight !
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
>
>
> 



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Thanks both, I am having a day of it !! I must have saved it
incorrectly....maybe as a text file. I will look again at
that....sorry....again. I only checked to see the download worked, not the
content.
Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Sergeant <dave@davesergeant.com>
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> On 29 Apr 2007 at 20:42, Gary - G4WGT wrote:
>
> > I have downloaded the new version ERP2 & it will not run correctly
> > with my MS EXCEL, also tried to open it on the web site & still no
> > joy, my previous version on my PC still runs OK.
>
> There seems to be something a bit strange Alan. In Open Office it
> opens in Writer (ie it thinks it is a .doc) and 286 pages of
> gibberish....
>
> I haven't used the earlier version but don't normal have problems
> with Excel files...
>
> 73 Dave G3YMC
>
> http://www.davesergeant.com
>
>



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On 29 Apr 2007 at 20:42, Gary - G4WGT wrote:

> I have downloaded the new version ERP2 & it will not run correctly
> with my MS EXCEL, also tried to open it on the web site & still no
> joy, my previous version on my PC still runs OK.

There seems to be something a bit strange Alan. In Open Office it 
opens in Writer (ie it thinks it is a .doc) and 286 pages of 
gibberish....

I haven't used the earlier version but don't normal have problems 
with Excel files...

73 Dave G3YMC

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Hi Alan,

I have downloaded the new version ERP2 & it will not run correctly with my 
MS EXCEL, also tried to open it on the web site & still no joy, my previous 
version on my PC still runs OK.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hi All, this geriatric ol' twit made another mistake !! Thanks to Peter
> G3VVT who bother to check my answers again Kraus ( I cant argue against 
> that
> !!) another small error has surfaced. It is to do with the "form-factor"
> which should have been squared because it refers to the real height of the
> vertical which is squared in the equation for Radiation Resistance. As it
> happens it make a very small difference to most people who have a top 
> length
> of equal or greater than the height because then the FF is close to unity
> ( and unity squared is unity !!) However I did issue another sheet to a 
> few
> who were working with no top load, it is on aerials like this the error is
> most relevant. Fortunately it reduces the Radiation resistance and allow 
> you
> to run even more aerial current before exceeding the -10dBW !! The new
> version is now loaded to my web site
> http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/programs.htm
> And I will add a reference to enable the other version (ERP2.xls) to be
> downloaded.
>
> Sorry pardon, just crank the current up a bit !!
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
>
>
> 



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Hi, Laurie, LF.

I use a tuned loop for Rx on 136 kHz, and it is also affected by the TX
"Tee" antenna. I use a relay to open circuit the earth return at the bottom
of the TX antenna ATU  when the loop is in use. The problem isn't due to the
presence of the TX antenna wire itself, but the problems occur when the wire
is resonated by the TX ATU. The TX ATU earth has a 1 meg bleed resistor left
in circuit to leak away any static build up.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
  -----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of lawrence mayhead
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  Subject: LF: 500 PA2NL QRS


  PA2 beacon very strong here also, on the south coast.

  Interesting antenna effect:-
  I run a pair of large grounded loops situated close to the main TX antenna
(inv L )
  These have worked very well on 136 and are quite directional, providing
useful
  improvement in SNR. On 500kHz however they are not directional, at least
not
  in the right directions.
  I have spent several hours trying to find out what has gone wrong with
them !
  By chance this morning I left the TX ant. grounded and was surprised to
find that
  the loops are now directional. So it looks like there is much more
coupling between the
  TX and RX ants on 500 than 136.
  Could this simply be capacitive ? perhaps I need smaller loops?
  Anyway if you are running a RX loop close to your TX antenna, beware.
  73 Laurie.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
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  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>lawrence=20
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  rsgb<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: 500 PA2NL QRS<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>PA2 =
beacon very=20
  strong here also, on the south coast.<BR><BR>Interesting antenna =
effect:-<BR>I=20
  run a pair of large grounded loops situated close to the main TX =
antenna (inv=20
  L )<BR>These have worked very well on 136 and are quite directional, =
providing=20
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directional, at=20
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trying to=20
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Alan, =20
You might be interested in my quick-Tx with cer-res/divider/pa.
Dev took just a few hrs on gnd-plane & ~ 1 day hardware/screwing dwn lid =
- haven't touched it since.
FET VFO mod pending, but wrks FB & too busy hvg fun with QSO's, ant =
experiments & remote f/s measurements.
Schem attached... see if it gets thru?
Based on my 1980's 160/80m VFO/divider QRP Tx's.
72, Rog.


----- Original Message -----=20
From: Alan Ibbetson=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:03 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 500 EASY START


Hello everyone, Alan G3XAQ here. I just joined this mailing list. I'm=20
preparing my application for a 501KHz NoV, so Mal's note on an easy=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dev took just a few hrs on =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>FET VFO mod pending, but wrks FB &amp; =
too busy hvg=20
fun with QSO's, ant experiments &amp; remote f/s =
measurements.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Schem attached... see if it gets =
thru?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Based on my 1980's 160/80m VFO/divider =
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Tx's.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>72, Rog.</FONT></DIV>
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Hi Jim
I have worked EW6 in the past must ck the callsign and date, but it is quite
some time ago/
73 de Mal/G3KEV

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Moritz" <james.moritz@btopenworld.com>
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> Dear LF Group,
>
> Was very pleased this evening to work DK4U in Hell mode, followed by EW6GB
> in QRSS3, using DFCW. The signal from EW6GB has been quite weak, but very
> consistent all evening, so "O" copy here. Congratulations to Andy and Oleg
> on successfully activating a new country on LF.
>
> I am now QRV on 136k again after some  months - I have rebuilt my antenna
> tuner in a more robust form after it was literally blown to pieces during
> one of the gales over winter (the old one was assembled as a "temporary"
> measure in 2000, so I can't complain too much!)  I have also built a more
> convenient and durable 500kHz tuner so that changing bands is now
relatively
> straightforward, so if anyone is interested I can now do cross-band
> operation between 136k and 500k, either way round, with a little notice.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
>
>



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Hi Jim, LFers,

How about a pix or two of that rebuilt tuner?

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

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Hi All,
 
I've been off for a day or so due to antenna changes. I've taken down the  
20m dipole arrangement and put up a purpose Tee for the band.
 
Unfortunately the garden is still the same size so I've squeezed in a 40ft  
top with a 29ft vertical section which terminates in another 29ft section to 
the  atu under the carport. There is a 200uH loading coil at the junction of the 
 vertical section and the top loading wire.
 
The coil was 120 turns on a 2 and 5/8 inch water down pipe. Not sure where  
the thing is resonant yet although there are no dips on a regular band, (1.75 - 
 30Mhz) GDO.
 
I'll do some check today, maybe use the variometer in a series circuit,  
maybe in a parallel. Hope to work the regular gang and get some  reports.
 
This sure beats going to work.......
 
73
 
Colin G3VTT
 
 




   

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Hi All
The QRN season has begun, yesterday evening the static was continuous, and
after a quiet morning it has started again masking weak signals.
I checked 1800 khz and 137 khz and both are suffering likewise.
This takes me back in time trying to communicate on the lower frequencies,
battling through the QRN din, CW on 500 khz and AM on the lower HF freqs.
AM/mobile on 160 was a battle trying to overcome the qrn with 10w and now we
have a challenge on our hands on 500 khz with 0.1W
If your ears cannot stand the strain I suppose VHF and up could be the
answer, it is less painful.
Room for thought.
de Mal/G3KEV



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DI2AG in PSK31 mode captured on 3 Sec.ARGO
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DI2AG in PSK31 mode captured on 3 Sec.ARGO <br>
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Does anyone have the secret route to PA2NL to get him into QSO mode????

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Dear Geri, Walter, Gus and LF.

DI2BO DI2AG and SM6BHZ all received here last night. Solid copy of SM6BHZ
and DI2AG, see screenshot. Nearly complete callsign of DI2BO received at
0156 utc, screenshot attached.

I have all three stations captured in a single screenshot taken at 0156 utc,
but the file is too large for the reflector. If anyone would like to receive
it, I will send it direct.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Holger 'Geri', DK8KW
  Sent: 15 April 2007 01:27
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: LF: [500 kHz] DI2BO has 1.7 mW ERP!


  Hello Dave and also all the others observing DI2BO (and the other beacons
on 500 kHz),


  Today the weather was fine and I took the chance to drive around and do
some ERP field-measurements.

  Technically I used the MV-62 Measurement Receiver that reads the signal
strength in dBu. As an antenna I used a simple open loop with 1 m diameter.
To measure the distance to DI2BO I used a Garmin XL-45 handheld GPS system.

  Mathematically I used a set of formulas that Markus, DF6NM helped me to
develop (thanks, Markus!). These formuals come up with the EIRP, the
effective radiated power above an isotropic radiator. For those interested
in the forumas, please find attached a samle XLS file. For techical details,
please ask Markus, he is much of an expert in this than I am ;-)

  Next I used some ITU definitions to convert EIRP to ERP (DEFINITIONS OF
RADIATION IN LF, MF AND HF BROADCASTING BANDS),  in which is stated:


  The value of the e.r.p. is related to the e.i.r.p. by the expression:
  e.r.p. = 0.61 e.i.r.p. (linear scale)

  e.r.p. = e.i.r.p. � 2.2 dB (logarithmic scale)



  Here are the results, measured at three different locations:

  1,02 km distnce: 1,63 mW ERP
  1,57 km distance: 1,85 mW ERP
  2,01 km distance: 1,56 mW ERP

  The average of these three measurementsis around 1,7 mW ERP!

  This makes alle your observations even more astonishing. I would not have
guessed that a 500 kHz at that ERP level signal would span that distance,
espeically audiably. With this low power level it also shows the important
efect of QSB from variations in the ionosphere.

  Until further notice DI2BO will transmit on 505,015 kHz with 1,7 Watt ERP
day and night (24/7), so please keep watching and observing and keep thos
reports coming in.

  Best 73

  Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO

  DI2BO: antenna system is a "long wire", simply about 8 m wire vertically
up to a 10m mast, then another 8m wite horizontally to the roof of my house.
OOutpur power is around 10 Watt (DEBEG 7121 on "reduced power").





  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Dave Sergeant" <dave@davesergeant.com>
  To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
  Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:39 AM
  Subject: Re: LF: DI2BO


  > Just to report that when I came back into the shack at 2100z DI2BO
  > was clearly audible to my ears, peaking 439 here in Bracknell IO91PJ.
  > I was rather amused to clearly hear it send its CW id 'DI2AG' !!
  > GI4DPE was also heard beaconing in normal CW around 501.15.
  >
  > This maybe highlights the problem with QRSS on 500kHz. I have already
  > noted slow and very deep QSB on many signals. While I was watching
  > DI2BO on Argo last night I found that it would pop above my noise
  > level for only 1 out of 3 or 4 callsign sequences and between that
  > there was little more than the odd dot visible. When it appeared most
  > but never all of a complete call was visible and it clearly peaked
  > quite strong for just a few characters. If I had not known what the
  > call was I would have had to listen a long time to postively identify
  > it. However when it sent its ID on normal CW when listening without
  > Argo later that was copyable in its entirety (admittedly wrong!).
  >
  > 73 Dave G3YMC
  >
  >
  >
  > http://www.davesergeant.com
  >
  >

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single screenshot taken at 0156 utc, but the file is too large for the=20
reflector. If anyone would like to receive it, I will send it=20
direct.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT face=3DArial =
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size=3D2><SPAN class=3D011283818-16042007>73, Dave G3WCB =
IO91RM</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"><FONT face=3DArial =
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  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Holger =
'Geri',=20
  DK8KW<BR><B>Sent:</B> 15 April 2007 01:27<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: [500 kHz] DI2BO =
has 1.7 mW=20
  ERP!<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Dave and also all the others =
observing=20
  DI2BO (and the other beacons on 500 kHz),</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Today the weather was fine and I took =
the chance=20
  to drive around and do some ERP field-measurements. </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Technically I used the MV-62 =
Measurement Receiver=20
  that reads the signal strength in dBu. As an antenna I used a simple =
open loop=20
  with 1 m diameter. To measure the distance to DI2BO I used a Garmin =
XL-45=20
  handheld GPS&nbsp;system.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mathematically I used a set of =
formulas that=20
  Markus, DF6NM&nbsp;helped me to develop (thanks, Markus!).&nbsp;These =
formuals=20
  come&nbsp;up with the EIRP, the effective radiated power above an =
isotropic=20
  radiator. For those interested in the forumas, please find attached a =
samle=20
  XLS file. For techical details, please ask Markus, he is much of an =
expert in=20
  this than I am ;-)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Next I used some ITU definitions to =
convert EIRP=20
  to ERP (DEFINITIONS OF RADIATION IN LF, MF AND HF BROADCASTING=20
  BANDS),&nbsp;&nbsp;in which is stated:&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The value of the e.r.p. is related to =
the=20
  e.i.r.p. by the expression:</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>e.r.p. =3D 0.61 e.i.r.p. =
(linear=20
  scale)</FONT></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>e.r.p. =3D e.i.r.p. =96 =
2.2 dB (logarithmic=20
  scale)</FONT></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here are the results, =
measured at three=20
  different locations: </FONT></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1,02 km distnce: 1,63 mW =
ERP<BR>1,57 km=20
  distance: 1,85 mW ERP&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <BR>2,01 km distance: 1,56 mW=20
  ERP<BR><BR>The average of these three measurementsis around 1,7 mW=20
  ERP!</FONT></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This makes alle your =
observations even=20
  more astonishing. I would not have guessed that a 500 kHz at that ERP =
level=20
  signal would span that distance, espeically =
audiably.&nbsp;</FONT><FONT=20
  face=3DArial size=3D2>With this low power level it also shows the =
important efect=20
  of QSB from variations in the ionosphere.</FONT></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Until further notice DI2BO =
will transmit=20
  on 505,015 kHz with 1,7 Watt ERP day and night (24/7), so please keep =
watching=20
  and observing and keep thos reports coming in.</FONT></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best 73</FONT></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO =
</FONT></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DI2BO: antenna system is a =
"long wire",=20
  simply about 8 m wire vertically up to a 10m mast, then another 8m =
wite=20
  horizontally to the roof of my house. OOutpur power is around 10 Watt =
(DEBEG=20
  7121 on "reduced power"). </FONT></P>
  <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
  <P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</P></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From: "Dave Sergeant" &lt;</FONT><A=20
  href=3D"mailto:dave@davesergeant.com"><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2>dave@davesergeant.com</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2>&gt;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To: &lt;</FONT><A=20
  href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</FONT></A><FONT face=3DArial=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:39=20
  AM</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Subject: Re: LF: =
DI2BO</FONT></DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial><BR><FONT size=3D2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2>&gt; Just to report that when I came back into the shack at =
2100z DI2BO=20
  <BR>&gt; was clearly audible to my ears, peaking 439 here in Bracknell =
IO91PJ.=20
  <BR>&gt; I was rather amused to clearly hear it send its CW id 'DI2AG' =
!!=20
  <BR>&gt; GI4DPE was also heard beaconing in normal CW around =
501.15.<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt; This maybe highlights the problem with QRSS on 500kHz. I have =
already=20
  <BR>&gt; noted slow and very deep QSB on many signals. While I was =
watching=20
  <BR>&gt; DI2BO on Argo last night I found that it would pop above my =
noise=20
  <BR>&gt; level for only 1 out of 3 or 4 callsign sequences and between =
that=20
  <BR>&gt; there was little more than the odd dot visible. When it =
appeared most=20
  <BR>&gt; but never all of a complete call was visible and it clearly =
peaked=20
  <BR>&gt; quite strong for just a few characters. If I had not known =
what the=20
  <BR>&gt; call was I would have had to listen a long time to postively =
identify=20
  <BR>&gt; it. However when it sent its ID on normal CW when listening =
without=20
  <BR>&gt; Argo later that was copyable in its entirety (admittedly=20
  wrong!).<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 73 Dave G3YMC<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
<BR>&gt;=20
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Dear Andy, LF Group,

At the moment, most stations in the UK seem to find an adequate SNR so =
they can work each other by conventional means. I expect this will =
change a lot when 500kHz becomes more widely available in other =
countries. It looks like one of the problems to be solved in order to =
make good use of the band for longer distance contacts is the QSB.The =
period between fades seems to be a few minutes - which is awkward for CW =
operating, since the station you are trying to work dissapears and =
reappears with a period of about 1 over, with the likely results of both =
stations losing each other, and either trying to transmit or receive =
simultaneously, not knowing what the other is doing. It is also awkward =
for QRSS and other "slow" modes, because you will inevitably loose a =
fair proportion of characters due to the fades. I think for long =
distance contacts, there is scope for a mode like "Wolf" where a signal =
with a lot of redundancy is integrated over a fairly long period of =
time. It should be easier to implement more complicated modulation =
schemes thanks to the lower power requirements.

At M0BMU at the moment I am getting things ready for another series of =
antenna and field strength measurements, extending the experiments I did =
on 73k and 136k some years back. This time I hope it will be 136k, 500k =
and maybe 1.8MHz too, to fill in the gaps in the spectrum.The TX and =
antenna arangements seem to be quite reproducible and stable here now, =
so I am working on updating my mobile FS measurement system to include =
the new frequencies. It's a pity 73kHz was discontinued, as now the band =
is eerily quiet and free from QRM. Wonder what they wanted it for?

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Andy Talbot=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 1:52 PM
  Subject: LF: 500kHz



  I've been away from the LF scene for some time, and haven't even been =
reading the postings recently, so know nothing of what is going on on =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>At M0BMU at the moment I am getting =
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eerily quiet=20
and free from QRM. Wonder what they wanted it for?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers, Jim Moritz</FONT></DIV>
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  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Andy Talbot=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2007 12:52 PM
  Subject: LF: 500kHz

  Dear Om
  A Born again G3 is not a good candidate for a 500 khz nov, however if =
you can still send using CW an entry level phrase I BLESS YOUR HUMBLE =
SOUL=20
  you could be in with a chance, if not please revert to the appliance =
operator level ie dish washer, vacuum cleaner etc.
  I would also suggest that you listen on the band to gain some =
experience. There is a lot acty on the band from several countries all =
on CW, which is the most appropriate mode for this band. A lot of =
research and development and experimentation is currently going on =
regarding propagation during daytime and night time to see what =
distances can be covered and reliability. On the technical side those =
participating have built all their own equipment and antennas.
  Considering the power restrictions, everyone seems to be doing well =
and having great success and fun on CW. =20
  At this stage I do not see any real benefit with robot or other =
machine assisted aids to have a QSO

  G3KEV=20


  I've been away from the LF scene for some time, and haven't even been =
reading the postings recently, so know nothing of what is going on on =
0.5MHz.


  I was looking at various bits of equipment / junk on the shelves =
recently (with a view to rationalising it all and putting some of teh =
bits on a rally stand or Ebay) when I realised I more than enough =
hardware that can be plugged together for a very potent 500kHz station.  =
Viz. 200 Watt  500kHz to 40MHz linear PA, transverter and a old NDB =
variometer that matches my LF Tee antenna.  (The PA in fact generates =
full power down to significantly lower than 500kHz).=20
  You could do well on 500 with that amplifier and a 1/2 wave dipole at =
several hundred feet, if you could master CW. =20

  A quick test of the antenna at this freq indicates 23 ohm loss =
resistance (it is 100 ohms at 137kHz) so with the 200W PA I suspect =
would be over the allowed E.RP.

  Question :
  What is happening on 500kHz?  Having no interest whatsoever in CW, or =
working other stations just to add up callsigns and countries, so is =
there any experimentation going on; optimum data modes, propagation =
monitoring etc that would make it worth applying for a NoV and doing =
some radio science again?=20

  In your case it would not be worth while definitely NO


  Andy  G4JNT

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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Dear Om</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">A Born again G3 is not a good =
candidate for a=20
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phrase I=20
  BLESS YOUR HUMBLE SOUL </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">you could be in with a chance, if not =
please=20
  revert to the appliance operator level ie dish washer, vacuum cleaner=20
  etc.</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">I would also suggest that you listen =
on the band=20
  to gain some experience. There is a lot acty on the band from several=20
  countries all on CW, which is the most appropriate mode for this band. =
A lot=20
  of research and development and experimentation is currently going on=20
  regarding propagation during daytime and night time to see what =
distances can=20
  be covered and reliability.&nbsp;On the technical side those =
participating=20
  have built all their own equipment and antennas.</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Considering the power restrictions, =
everyone=20
  seems to be doing well and having great success and&nbsp;fun on CW.=20
  &nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>At this stage I do not see any real =
benefit with=20
  robot or other machine assisted aids to have a QSO</FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>G3KEV </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
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even been=20
  reading the postings recently, so know nothing of what is going on on=20
  0.5MHz.</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>I was looking at various bits of equipment / junk on the shelves =
recently=20
  (with a view to rationalising it all and putting&nbsp;some of teh =
bits&nbsp;on=20
  a rally stand or Ebay) when&nbsp;I realised I&nbsp;more than enough=20
  hardware&nbsp;that can be plugged together&nbsp;for&nbsp;a =
very&nbsp;potent=20
  500kHz station.&nbsp; Viz. 200 Watt&nbsp; 500kHz to 40MHz linear PA,=20
  transverter and a old NDB variometer that&nbsp;matches my LF Tee=20
  antenna.&nbsp; (The PA in fact generates full power down to =
significantly=20
  lower than 500kHz).&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>You could do well on 500 with that amplifier and a&nbsp;1/2 wave =
dipole=20
  at several hundred feet,&nbsp;if you could master CW.&nbsp; </DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>A quick test of the antenna at this freq&nbsp;indicates 23 ohm =
loss=20
  resistance (it is 100 ohms at 137kHz) so with the 200W PA I =
suspect&nbsp;would=20
  be&nbsp;over the allowed E.RP.</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Question :</DIV>
  <DIV>What is happening on 500kHz?&nbsp; Having no interest whatsoever =
in CW,=20
  or working other stations just to add up callsigns and countries, so =
is there=20
  any experimentation going on; optimum data modes, propagation =
monitoring etc=20
  that would make it worth applying for a NoV and doing some radio =
science=20
  again? </DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In your case it would not be worth =
while=20
  definitely NO</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Andy&nbsp; G4JNT</DIV>
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Jay ,
RR , i listening .
F1AFJ

Jay Rusgrove a =E9crit :
> Jean-Pierre
> =20
> The lightning map looks fairly clear in your area so will fire up for=20
> a couple hours tonight starting about 2300Z. Thanks for continuing to=20
> monitor 137kHz.
> =20
> Jay
> =20
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 <mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
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>     Jay ,
>     Yes I noted this important variation of your signal, it would have
>     been
>     interesting to see over a longer time! My grabber is stopped
>     because I
>     think that that contributed, with the arrival of the 600 m,=E0 the
>     death
>     of the 2200m! this W E there was a little bit of traffic with a new
>     station (EW6GB), it has there only to see the posts on list "LF" to=
=20
>     understand! nevertheless I continue to record the T/A each night.
>     73 qro Jean-Pierre F1AFJ
>
>     Jay Rusgrove a =E9crit :
>     > Jean-Pierre
>     >
>     > Thanks for the capture!
>     >
>     > I was tuning up and then sent one 'XNS' string and there was no
>     difference in the power level
>     > between the tune up and the ID. Surprised to see QSB of that
>     magnitude. I did look for your real
>     > time grabber but noticed it was off line at the time I was
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>     >
>     > Jay W1VD / WD2XNS
>     >
>     >
>     > ----- Original Message -----
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>     <mailto:jpm.f1afj@online.fr>>
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>     >>
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Jean-Pierre

The lightning map looks fairly clear in your area so will fire up for a =
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monitor 137kHz.

Jay

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 7:30 AM
  Subject: Re: LF: Re: T/A last night : XNS on 137 kHz


  Jay ,
  Yes I noted this important variation of your signal, it would have =
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  interesting to see over a longer time! My grabber is stopped because I =

  think that that contributed, with the arrival of the 600 m,=E0 the =
death=20
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  station (EW6GB), it has there only to see the posts on list "LF" to =20
  understand! nevertheless I continue to record the T/A each night.
  73 qro Jean-Pierre F1AFJ

  Jay Rusgrove a =E9crit :
  > Jean-Pierre
  >
  > Thanks for the capture!
  >
  > I was tuning up and then sent one 'XNS' string and there was no =
difference in the power level
  > between the tune up and the ID. Surprised to see QSB of that =
magnitude. I did look for your real
  > time grabber but noticed it was off line at the time I was =
transmitting.
  >
  > Jay W1VD / WD2XNS
  >
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----=20
  > From: "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9" <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
  > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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  >>
  >> the files of night are filed each day at :
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  >> 73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
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Jay ,
Yes I noted this important variation of your signal, it would have been=20
interesting to see over a longer time! My grabber is stopped because I=20
think that that contributed, with the arrival of the 600 m,=E0 the death=20
of the 2200m! this W E there was a little bit of traffic with a new=20
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understand! nevertheless I continue to record the T/A each night.
73 qro Jean-Pierre F1AFJ

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> Jean-Pierre
>
> Thanks for the capture!
>
> I was tuning up and then sent one 'XNS' string and there was no differe=
nce in the power level
> between the tune up and the ID. Surprised to see QSB of that magnitude.=
 I did look for your real
> time grabber but noticed it was off line at the time I was transmitting=
.
>
> Jay W1VD / WD2XNS
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----=20
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>> Last night i copy :
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>> 73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
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Jean-Pierre

Thanks for the capture!

I was tuning up and then sent one 'XNS' string and there was no difference in the power level
between the tune up and the ID. Surprised to see QSB of that magnitude. I did look for your real
time grabber but noticed it was off line at the time I was transmitting.

Jay W1VD / WD2XNS


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The beauty of the drive coming directly from  an existing TR there is no
xtal or stability problem all the hard work is already taken care of.
The transverter introduces mixers and oscillators and the average amateur
cannot compete with the commerical approach.
Most hf tranceivers can be modified to tx on a frequency suitable for
dividing to 500 khz..
One other subject about modes of transmission. CW is more than adequate for
amateur purposes on 500 and in fact has been the traditional mode for the
band in the marine service, and aeronautical service to a limited degree.
Machine derived modes are to be preferred by the commercial operators
shifting large volumes of traffic. Amateur transmissions are of short
duration and convey the msg before the qsb sets in, especially with our
permitted qrp, 20 wpm is a good speed to aim for.
QRS is too slow for 500 and some other computer modes are pathetic to watch,
it takes hours to do what a cw operator could do in seconds.
ie name, qth and report.
73 de g3kev





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'morning all,
 
0930 BST here. QRN level seems a lot lower today so am calling on 502  Kc/s.
 
73
 
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Hi all whoops anothe bloop....right name wrong call it was of course Peter
G3JFS, not Bob G3VVT that spotted my errors.

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Hi Dave, my experience of mixer-vcos with two crystals in a similar
frequency range is that they at OK up to QRSS10. The are ok on QRSS30 and 60
provided you are not trying to fit into a 0.3Hz slot amongst other stable
transmissions. In other words they will stay on an ARGO screen for several
hours, but you could end up using a fair bit of the bandwidth. The proviso
here is that you use "proper" crystal oscillator circuits (such as a
Colpitts) not "logic oscillators". I think Dave G0MRF found logic
oscillators ok for hand-keyed CW speeds.

The pair of crystals can be "shrouded together" and maybe insulated with
poly foam to guard against draughts. As they tend to drift together the
difference is not too temperature sensitive. It is probable that a lot of
the remaining drift comes from the tuning components which should probably
be inside the "shroud".

A "mixer VCXO" can be made by putting the two crystals in parallel in the
same osc circuit (TT some time back), I believe though I have not tried it.
You lose the chance to tweak them apart though.

Pulled ceramics are Ok for CW and probably not too bad for QRSS3, but I have
not measured them seriously.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Brown <tractorb@ihug.co.nz>
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Subject: Re: LF: [ 500] EASY START - ceramic resonators et al


> So just how stable are the resulting outputs using these things?
> Anyone looked at that yet? Its a given that you will need very good to
> excellent frequency stability once things go beyond the aural CW
> stage.(And I'm not saying that's good or bad-just that it's bound to
> happen!)
>
> A reminder that some rigs will likely work 'as is' on 500 kHz- I have
> only tested the Yaesu FT757GX II but  Yaesu rigs with similar pa
> design are likely to also work OK.  Only proviso is to keep the output
> down to 50 watts or so-try for any more out and it shuts
> down-presumably in self protetction mode. From memory rx sensitivity
> is in spec or very close to-would have to check again to verify.
> 73
> Dave, ZL3FJ (a 500 kHz waiter!)
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:34 AM
> Subject: Re: LF: [ 500] EASY START - ceramic resonators et al
>
>
> > Dave,
> >
> > Thanks for saving me the effort of doing the testing on ceramic
> > resonators! I see Rapid also stock these, and the 11.0592 xtals too.
> >
> > I've got my NoV application ready to post tonight and I retire on
> > Monday, so hopefully I can turn all this blathering into results
> > within a couple of weeks!
> >
> > 73,
> >
> > Alan
> >
> > ganymede444@btopenworld.com wrote:
> >> Hi Alan, Alan and LF.
> >>
> >> I've done a few tests with trying to "pull" crystals and resonators
> >> up into
> >> the 501-504 kHz band. I used a single NPN transistor in a Colpits
> >> configuration with a 3 - 30pf trimmer capacitor in series with the
> >> crystal.
> >>
> >> Firstly, I tried a few 1.000 and 2.000 MHz HC6u crystals, available
> >> from RS
> >> Components. These would only move a few tens of Hz maximum, before
> >> they
> >> stopped.
> >>
> >> Secondly, I tried ten 500kHz resonators, type Murata 500 CSB. These
> >> are
> >> little yellow plastic cuboids approx 10 x 8 x 4 mm with two legs at
> >> the
> >> bottom. These all came out low, typically in the 498-499 kHz range,
> >> and
> >> couldn't be pulled much higher before they died.
> >>
> >> Thirdly, I tried some 1 MHz resonators, type Murata 1000J. These
> >> are even
> >> smaller blue plastic cuboids approx 7 x 5 x 2mm also with two legs
> >> on the
> >> bottom. These were much more amenable to "pulling", and would tune
> >> from 989
> >> to 1011 kHz quite happily (494.5 to 505.5 kHz) The frequency
> >> stability seems
> >> quite good, and a hot soldering iron on one of the legs moved the
> >> frequency
> >> about 200 Hz, coming back on frequency as it cooled down. You would
> >> need to
> >> be careful using one of these, however, as you could easily slip
> >> out of band
> >> if you moved the trimmer too far.
> >>
> >> So one of these 1MHz resonators would seem to be a good source,
> >> once divided
> >> by two. You could leave the oscillator running continously for
> >> maximum
> >> stability, and key the divider. I might even have a circuit of a
> >> divider
> >> using a double triode if anyone wanted to stay with the retro
> >> "Valve theme"!
> >> Otherwise a 74LS74 or a CD 4013 will do the trick nicely.
> >>
> >> BTW, RS Components and Farnell sell a 11.0592 MHz crystal, costing
> >> the
> >> princely sum of 19 pence, which when divided by 22 will give 502.69
> >> MHz.
> >> (74LS161 followed by 74LS74...no problemo...)
> >>
> >> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alan Melia
> >> Sent: 23 April 2007 23:36
> >> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> >> Subject: Re: LF: 500 EASY START
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Alan, there is not a lot of "accumulated wisdom" on 500kHz yet
> >> but most
> >> of the 136khz experience seems to work. The best tutorial for
> >> aerials at LF
> >> is the pages by Rik Srobbe ON7YD. You will find a lot else there as
> >> well.
> >> http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/  and click on "The 136kHz Amateur Band"
> >> in the
> >> left-hand bar.
> >>
> >> Low frequency crystals are almost unknown these days. It is so easy
> >> to
> >> divide down. Two techniques have been used straight division like
> >> Mal
> >> suggests or mixing crystals in the 5 to 6 meg range...pulling one
> >> up and the
> >> other down with a 2 gang variable cap. as Dave Sargent recently
> >> described.
> >>
> >> Have you though of trying at 50p ceramic resonator !! 500kHz is a
> >> stadard
> >> frequency for these and they are fairly "bendable" so may come up
> >> into the
> >> band. I think GW3EUP uses one.
> >>
> >> You will find a spreadsheet on my web site (beside a lot of other
> >> junk)
> >> which attemmpts to simplify the ERP calculation.
> >> http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/programs.htm
> >> It is an EXCEL sheet and should download OK.
> >>
> >> I hope that helps ...welcome to LF and remember LF=Lotsa Fun !!
> >>
> >> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Alan Ibbetson <alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk>
> >> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> >> Sent: 23 April 2007 23:03
> >> Subject: Re: LF: 500 EASY START
> >>
> >>
> >> > Hello everyone, Alan G3XAQ here. I just joined this mailing list.
> >> > I'm
> >> > preparing my application for a 501KHz NoV, so Mal's note on an
> >> > easy
> >> > start is very timely.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>



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Hi Alan & All at LF,

Alan wrote :-

 " Within a fortnight you will be wondering how you ever found time to go to 
work !! "


I WILL SECOND THAT COMMENT !!!!!!

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So just how stable are the resulting outputs using these things?
Anyone looked at that yet? Its a given that you will need very good to
excellent frequency stability once things go beyond the aural CW
stage.(And I'm not saying that's good or bad-just that it's bound to
happen!)

A reminder that some rigs will likely work 'as is' on 500 kHz- I have
only tested the Yaesu FT757GX II but  Yaesu rigs with similar pa
design are likely to also work OK.  Only proviso is to keep the output
down to 50 watts or so-try for any more out and it shuts
down-presumably in self protetction mode. From memory rx sensitivity
is in spec or very close to-would have to check again to verify.
73
Dave, ZL3FJ (a 500 kHz waiter!)

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Dave,
>
> Thanks for saving me the effort of doing the testing on ceramic 
> resonators! I see Rapid also stock these, and the 11.0592 xtals too.
>
> I've got my NoV application ready to post tonight and I retire on 
> Monday, so hopefully I can turn all this blathering into results 
> within a couple of weeks!
>
> 73,
>
> Alan
>
> ganymede444@btopenworld.com wrote:
>> Hi Alan, Alan and LF.
>>
>> I've done a few tests with trying to "pull" crystals and resonators 
>> up into
>> the 501-504 kHz band. I used a single NPN transistor in a Colpits
>> configuration with a 3 - 30pf trimmer capacitor in series with the 
>> crystal.
>>
>> Firstly, I tried a few 1.000 and 2.000 MHz HC6u crystals, available 
>> from RS
>> Components. These would only move a few tens of Hz maximum, before 
>> they
>> stopped.
>>
>> Secondly, I tried ten 500kHz resonators, type Murata 500 CSB. These 
>> are
>> little yellow plastic cuboids approx 10 x 8 x 4 mm with two legs at 
>> the
>> bottom. These all came out low, typically in the 498-499 kHz range, 
>> and
>> couldn't be pulled much higher before they died.
>>
>> Thirdly, I tried some 1 MHz resonators, type Murata 1000J. These 
>> are even
>> smaller blue plastic cuboids approx 7 x 5 x 2mm also with two legs 
>> on the
>> bottom. These were much more amenable to "pulling", and would tune 
>> from 989
>> to 1011 kHz quite happily (494.5 to 505.5 kHz) The frequency 
>> stability seems
>> quite good, and a hot soldering iron on one of the legs moved the 
>> frequency
>> about 200 Hz, coming back on frequency as it cooled down. You would 
>> need to
>> be careful using one of these, however, as you could easily slip 
>> out of band
>> if you moved the trimmer too far.
>>
>> So one of these 1MHz resonators would seem to be a good source, 
>> once divided
>> by two. You could leave the oscillator running continously for 
>> maximum
>> stability, and key the divider. I might even have a circuit of a 
>> divider
>> using a double triode if anyone wanted to stay with the retro 
>> "Valve theme"!
>> Otherwise a 74LS74 or a CD 4013 will do the trick nicely.
>>
>> BTW, RS Components and Farnell sell a 11.0592 MHz crystal, costing 
>> the
>> princely sum of 19 pence, which when divided by 22 will give 502.69 
>> MHz.
>> (74LS161 followed by 74LS74...no problemo...)
>>
>> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alan Melia
>> Sent: 23 April 2007 23:36
>> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> Subject: Re: LF: 500 EASY START
>>
>>
>> Hi Alan, there is not a lot of "accumulated wisdom" on 500kHz yet 
>> but most
>> of the 136khz experience seems to work. The best tutorial for 
>> aerials at LF
>> is the pages by Rik Srobbe ON7YD. You will find a lot else there as 
>> well.
>> http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/  and click on "The 136kHz Amateur Band" 
>> in the
>> left-hand bar.
>>
>> Low frequency crystals are almost unknown these days. It is so easy 
>> to
>> divide down. Two techniques have been used straight division like 
>> Mal
>> suggests or mixing crystals in the 5 to 6 meg range...pulling one 
>> up and the
>> other down with a 2 gang variable cap. as Dave Sargent recently 
>> described.
>>
>> Have you though of trying at 50p ceramic resonator !! 500kHz is a 
>> stadard
>> frequency for these and they are fairly "bendable" so may come up 
>> into the
>> band. I think GW3EUP uses one.
>>
>> You will find a spreadsheet on my web site (beside a lot of other 
>> junk)
>> which attemmpts to simplify the ERP calculation.
>> http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/programs.htm
>> It is an EXCEL sheet and should download OK.
>>
>> I hope that helps ...welcome to LF and remember LF=Lotsa Fun !!
>>
>> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Alan Ibbetson <alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: 23 April 2007 23:03
>> Subject: Re: LF: 500 EASY START
>>
>>
>> > Hello everyone, Alan G3XAQ here. I just joined this mailing list. 
>> > I'm
>> > preparing my application for a 501KHz NoV, so Mal's note on an 
>> > easy
>> > start is very timely.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> 


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Whoa Alan, you may be joining the Worshipful Company of Professional Idlers,
but dont get any of those ideas that you will have "plenty of time". Within
a fortnight you will be wondering how you ever found time to go to work !!
Hint: it was to avoid all those jobs that will keep cropping up around home
!

Best Wishes
Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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> Dave,
>
> Thanks for saving me the effort of doing the testing on ceramic
resonators! I see Rapid also stock these, and the 11.0592 xtals too.
>
> I've got my NoV application ready to post tonight and I retire on Monday,
so hopefully I can turn all this blathering into results within a couple of
weeks!
>
> 73,
>
> Alan




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Dave,

Thanks for saving me the effort of doing the testing on ceramic resonators! I see Rapid also stock these, and the 11.0592 xtals too.

I've got my NoV application ready to post tonight and I retire on Monday, so hopefully I can turn all this blathering into results within a couple of weeks!

73,

Alan

ganymede444@btopenworld.com wrote:
> Hi Alan, Alan and LF.
> 
> I've done a few tests with trying to "pull" crystals and resonators up into
> the 501-504 kHz band. I used a single NPN transistor in a Colpits
> configuration with a 3 - 30pf trimmer capacitor in series with the crystal.
> 
> Firstly, I tried a few 1.000 and 2.000 MHz HC6u crystals, available from RS
> Components. These would only move a few tens of Hz maximum, before they
> stopped.
> 
> Secondly, I tried ten 500kHz resonators, type Murata 500 CSB. These are
> little yellow plastic cuboids approx 10 x 8 x 4 mm with two legs at the
> bottom. These all came out low, typically in the 498-499 kHz range, and
> couldn't be pulled much higher before they died.
> 
> Thirdly, I tried some 1 MHz resonators, type Murata 1000J. These are even
> smaller blue plastic cuboids approx 7 x 5 x 2mm also with two legs on the
> bottom. These were much more amenable to "pulling", and would tune from 989
> to 1011 kHz quite happily (494.5 to 505.5 kHz) The frequency stability seems
> quite good, and a hot soldering iron on one of the legs moved the frequency
> about 200 Hz, coming back on frequency as it cooled down. You would need to
> be careful using one of these, however, as you could easily slip out of band
> if you moved the trimmer too far.
> 
> So one of these 1MHz resonators would seem to be a good source, once divided
> by two. You could leave the oscillator running continously for maximum
> stability, and key the divider. I might even have a circuit of a divider
> using a double triode if anyone wanted to stay with the retro "Valve theme"!
> Otherwise a 74LS74 or a CD 4013 will do the trick nicely.
> 
> BTW, RS Components and Farnell sell a 11.0592 MHz crystal, costing the
> princely sum of 19 pence, which when divided by 22 will give 502.69 MHz.
> (74LS161 followed by 74LS74...no problemo...)
> 
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alan Melia
> Sent: 23 April 2007 23:36
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: 500 EASY START
> 
> 
> Hi Alan, there is not a lot of "accumulated wisdom" on 500kHz yet but most
> of the 136khz experience seems to work. The best tutorial for aerials at LF
> is the pages by Rik Srobbe ON7YD. You will find a lot else there as well.
> http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/  and click on "The 136kHz Amateur Band" in the
> left-hand bar.
> 
> Low frequency crystals are almost unknown these days. It is so easy to
> divide down. Two techniques have been used straight division like Mal
> suggests or mixing crystals in the 5 to 6 meg range...pulling one up and the
> other down with a 2 gang variable cap. as Dave Sargent recently described.
> 
> Have you though of trying at 50p ceramic resonator !! 500kHz is a stadard
> frequency for these and they are fairly "bendable" so may come up into the
> band. I think GW3EUP uses one.
> 
> You will find a spreadsheet on my web site (beside a lot of other junk)
> which attemmpts to simplify the ERP calculation.
> http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/programs.htm
> It is an EXCEL sheet and should download OK.
> 
> I hope that helps ...welcome to LF and remember LF=Lotsa Fun !!
> 
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Alan Ibbetson <alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: 23 April 2007 23:03
> Subject: Re: LF: 500 EASY START
> 
> 
> > Hello everyone, Alan G3XAQ here. I just joined this mailing list. I'm
> > preparing my application for a 501KHz NoV, so Mal's note on an easy
> > start is very timely.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 



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On 24 Apr 2007 at 22:44, Dave G3WCB wrote:

> I've done a few tests with trying to "pull" crystals and resonators up
> into the 501-504 kHz band. I used a single NPN transistor in a Colpits
> configuration with a 3 - 30pf trimmer capacitor in series with the
> crystal.

Dave's tests make interesting reading, and it is because of this 
difficulty of pulling 500kHz crystals in VXOs that I did not even 
consider doing it this way.

My twin VXO, as previously mentioned, uses 5.9 and 6.4MHz crystals. I 
had already used a VXO in my 5MHz rig and the circuit I used is 
virtually identical to that one - see 
http://www.davesergeant.com/fivemegs/60mtx.htm

I made the 6.4MHz crystal the 'tunable' one and found with a single 
50pF variable cap in series it would pull around 4kHz high. I needed 
to pull the 5.9MHz one low to give a 501kHz difference and achieved 
this by replacing the series cap with an inductor. I tried quite a 
few inductors (miniature fixed parts) and was amazed how far I could 
pull it - the first attempt with 100uH dragged it down about 20kHz! I 
found 10uH achieved the required 1kHz downward shift - this vxo is 
fixed, all tuning is done by pulling the 6.4MHz crystal.

In place of the fet buffer in the 5MHz design I replaced it with a 
3N201 dual gate mosfet and used this as a mixer. A 470kHz mw if 
transformer conveniently tuned the output to 501kHz.

This method seems to be a very staightforward way of getting on the 
band. I have quite a few crystals in the 5.5-6.4MHz range which I 
could offer to others in 500kHz spaced pairs.

I have been diverted the past few days on other matters but hope to 
get the pa side wired up pretty soon.

73 Dave G3YMC


http://www.davesergeant.com



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Hi Alan, Alan and LF.

I've done a few tests with trying to "pull" crystals and resonators up into
the 501-504 kHz band. I used a single NPN transistor in a Colpits
configuration with a 3 - 30pf trimmer capacitor in series with the crystal.

Firstly, I tried a few 1.000 and 2.000 MHz HC6u crystals, available from RS
Components. These would only move a few tens of Hz maximum, before they
stopped.

Secondly, I tried ten 500kHz resonators, type Murata 500 CSB. These are
little yellow plastic cuboids approx 10 x 8 x 4 mm with two legs at the
bottom. These all came out low, typically in the 498-499 kHz range, and
couldn't be pulled much higher before they died.

Thirdly, I tried some 1 MHz resonators, type Murata 1000J. These are even
smaller blue plastic cuboids approx 7 x 5 x 2mm also with two legs on the
bottom. These were much more amenable to "pulling", and would tune from 989
to 1011 kHz quite happily (494.5 to 505.5 kHz) The frequency stability seems
quite good, and a hot soldering iron on one of the legs moved the frequency
about 200 Hz, coming back on frequency as it cooled down. You would need to
be careful using one of these, however, as you could easily slip out of band
if you moved the trimmer too far.

So one of these 1MHz resonators would seem to be a good source, once divided
by two. You could leave the oscillator running continously for maximum
stability, and key the divider. I might even have a circuit of a divider
using a double triode if anyone wanted to stay with the retro "Valve theme"!
Otherwise a 74LS74 or a CD 4013 will do the trick nicely.

BTW, RS Components and Farnell sell a 11.0592 MHz crystal, costing the
princely sum of 19 pence, which when divided by 22 will give 502.69 MHz.
(74LS161 followed by 74LS74...no problemo...)

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Hi Alan, there is not a lot of "accumulated wisdom" on 500kHz yet but most
of the 136khz experience seems to work. The best tutorial for aerials at LF
is the pages by Rik Srobbe ON7YD. You will find a lot else there as well.
http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/  and click on "The 136kHz Amateur Band" in the
left-hand bar.

Low frequency crystals are almost unknown these days. It is so easy to
divide down. Two techniques have been used straight division like Mal
suggests or mixing crystals in the 5 to 6 meg range...pulling one up and the
other down with a 2 gang variable cap. as Dave Sargent recently described.

Have you though of trying at 50p ceramic resonator !! 500kHz is a stadard
frequency for these and they are fairly "bendable" so may come up into the
band. I think GW3EUP uses one.

You will find a spreadsheet on my web site (beside a lot of other junk)
which attemmpts to simplify the ERP calculation.
http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/programs.htm
It is an EXCEL sheet and should download OK.

I hope that helps ...welcome to LF and remember LF=Lotsa Fun !!

Cheers de Alan G3NYK


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> Hello everyone, Alan G3XAQ here. I just joined this mailing list. I'm
> preparing my application for a 501KHz NoV, so Mal's note on an easy
> start is very timely.








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Kevin,

A general decline of environmental caloric was noticed overnight, no JF here 
but it would not surprise me if some lower North Island districts had some. 
The shack heater is on for the first time this year, and I've adjusted 
curtains to thermally isolate the storage area at one end of the room.

I don't feel too affected by my funny hours yesterday, with cricket from 
1:30 am, but I had a few hours sleep before the match, and snatched a few 
more after, over the middle of the day, which is abnormal but seemed to 
adequately refresh whatever needs to be refreshed.

73, Bob





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Jean-Pierre, Hartmut,

Thanks for the reports from last night.

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Last night good copy of :

WD2XES 01:15 > 02:50

the files of night are filed each day at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht




























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G3XIZ audible here,502.3 KHz
Good signal Chris

73
Victor
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Hello All,

Already sometime ago I applied for permission to use the 500 kHz 
band.  So far there has been no reply.  So I have severe doubts about PA2NL.

73, Dick, PA0SE

At 12:06 29-4-2007, you wrote:
>Colin, LF,
>
>I did a Google search for PA2NL and came up with only one relevant 
>"hit", which was for a 70 cm contest entry in 2000. The locator was 
>given a JO21BX. My guess is that this may be some sort of "special" 
>call-sign. I didn't think that NL had any 500 kHz allocation at all....
>
>It's 30 dB above the noise floor here.
>
>73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of G3vtt@aol.com
>Sent: 29 April 2007 09:47
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>
>Good Morning,
>
>I presume a beacon has appeared on 502 which I am informed is PA2NL 
>using QRSS. Does anybody have any further information on this 
>activity? He is a strong signal here in North Kent peaking S9.
>
>I have no problems with data modes beacons and the like but I feel 
>they should be higher in the band. Currently he close to the working 
>frequencies of the more active CW stations regularly swapping reports.
>
>( PA2NL als je kijk aan de bild - geen storing a.u.b. OM, iets 
>hooger en heb jij nog  'n  seinsleutel? Bedankt!)
>
>73
>
>G3VTT

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Hello All,<br><br>
Already sometime ago I applied for permission to use the 500 kHz
band.&nbsp; So far there has been no reply.&nbsp; So I have severe doubts
about PA2NL. <br><br>
73, Dick, PA0SE<br><br>
At 12:06 29-4-2007, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Colin, LF,<br>
&nbsp;<br>
I did a Google search for PA2NL and came up with only one relevant
&quot;hit&quot;, which was for a 70 cm contest entry in 2000. The locator
was given a JO21BX. My guess is that this may be some sort of
&quot;special&quot; call-sign. I didn't think that NL had any 500 kHz
allocation at all....<br>
&nbsp;<br>
It's 30 dB above the noise floor here.<br>
&nbsp;<br>
73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM<br>

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<dd>From:</b> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[<a href="mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" eudora="autourl">
mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>]On Behalf Of
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<dd>Sent:</b> 29 April 2007 09:47<br>

<dd>To:</b> rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>

<dd>Subject:</b> LF: PA2NL QRS<br><br>
</font>
<dd>Good Morning,<br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dd>I presume a beacon has appeared on 502 which I am informed is PA2NL
using QRSS. Does anybody have any further information on this activity?
He is a strong signal here in North Kent peaking S9.<br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dd>I have no problems with data modes beacons and the like but I feel
they should be higher in the band. Currently he close to the working
frequencies of the more active CW stations regularly swapping
reports.<br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dd>( PA2NL als je kijk aan de bild - geen storing a.u.b. OM, iets hooger
en heb jij nog&nbsp; 'n&nbsp; seinsleutel? Bedankt!)<br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dd>73<br>

<dd>&nbsp;<br>

<dd>G3VTT<br>

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Colin, LF,

I did a Google search for PA2NL and came up with only one relevant "hit",
which was for a 70 cm contest entry in 2000. The locator was given a JO21BX.
My guess is that this may be some sort of "special" call-sign. I didn't
think that NL had any 500 kHz allocation at all....

It's 30 dB above the noise floor here.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of G3vtt@aol.com
  Sent: 29 April 2007 09:47
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: LF: PA2NL QRS


  Good Morning,

  I presume a beacon has appeared on 502 which I am informed is PA2NL using
QRSS. Does anybody have any further information on this activity? He is a
strong signal here in North Kent peaking S9.

  I have no problems with data modes beacons and the like but I feel they
should be higher in the band. Currently he close to the working frequencies
of the more active CW stations regularly swapping reports.

  ( PA2NL als je kijk aan de bild - geen storing a.u.b. OM, iets hooger en
heb jij nog  'n  seinsleutel? Bedankt!)

  73

  G3VTT

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D653470010-29042007>I did a Google search for PA2NL =
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JB asked
>
> Does anyone here know how the Kenwood TS-440 fares at 500 kHz.?
> Mine does a fine job down at 137 and equally well on the Lowfer 160-
> 190 kHz. range, but it seems a little "deaf" around 500.  I'm wondering
> if there's an attenuator that's getting switched in above 200 kHz.?
>
That's right, there's a 20dB pad switched in between 500-1600kHz (try tuning 
through 500kHz). Plenty of fixes on the 'web, or join 
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TS-440/ and search the posts 



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Hi All, this geriatric ol' twit made another mistake !! Thanks to Peter
G3VVT who bother to check my answers again Kraus ( I cant argue against that
!!) another small error has surfaced. It is to do with the "form-factor"
which should have been squared because it refers to the real height of the
vertical which is squared in the equation for Radiation Resistance. As it
happens it make a very small difference to most people who have a top length
of equal or greater than the height because then the FF is close to unity
( and unity squared is unity !!) However I did issue another sheet to a few
who were working with no top load, it is on aerials like this the error is
most relevant. Fortunately it reduces the Radiation resistance and allow you
to run even more aerial current before exceeding the -10dBW !! The new
version is now loaded to my web site
http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/programs.htm
 And I will add a reference to enable the other version (ERP2.xls) to be
downloaded.

Sorry pardon, just crank the current up a bit !!
Cheers de Alan G3NYK




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Hallo hams from UK!
I received transmiting due to antenna tuning on 502.59kHz. Date 16.4.
from  20:10 to 20:30UT. 
I listened words "TEST", but no CALL, sorry. I attach two snapshots.
Signal was very good, RST 559.
Who has been this station and what is its QRA locator, please?
 
Thanks and 73!
 
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
 

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Dear John, LF Group,

Used DL4YHF's Wolf GUI for the first time last night - successful copy of
WD2XES in all runs between about 2330 and 0445utc. The time required for
successful decode was between 384 and 1344 seconds, with the shorter periods
occuring later in the night.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: WD2XES WOLF 5 tonight


> WD2XES will transmit in WOLF (5 b/s) mode tonight on 137.577 kHz,
> starting around 2330 UTC. Experience has shown that with this level of
> error correction, messages tend to decode in the same amount of time
> using data rates of 5 - 20 b/s. There's still an open question of
> whether you pick up any static-crash noise immunity with the slower rate.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
>
>
>



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Wolf5 copy
de Lloyd

Wolf copy by W3NF
2007-04-27 01:00:34 >WOLF5  -r 8000 -f 577 -t 1.0 -d 22 -w 0.0000
t:  48 f: 0.068 a: 0.9 dp: 85.7 ci: 8 cj:295 740.58CN0T*0BML ?
t:  96 f: 0.071 a: 0.3 dp: 86.5 ci: 7 cj:295 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t: 192 f: 0.072 a: 0.2 dp: 88.6 ci: 7 cj:295 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t: 384 f: 0.073 pm:202.2 jm:370 q:  0.8  0.5 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t: 576 f: 0.073 pm:386.1 jm:370 q:  3.2  3.4 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t: 768 f: 0.073 pm:484.3 jm:370 q:  4.6  4.8 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t: 960 f: 0.073 pm:612.3 jm:370 q:  5.9  5.8 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t:1152 f: 0.073 pm:701.4 jm:370 q:  6.8  6.6 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -



----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Discussion of the Lowfer (US, European, &amp; UK) and MedFer bands" 
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Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 2:48 PM
Subject: LF: WD2XES WOLF 5 tonight


> WD2XES will transmit in WOLF (5 b/s) mode tonight on 137.577 kHz, starting 
> around 2330 UTC. Experience has shown that with this level of error 
> correction, messages tend to decode in the same amount of time using data 
> rates of 5 - 20 b/s. There's still an open question of whether you pick up 
> any static-crash noise immunity with the slower rate.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
>
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 
> 269.6.1/777 - Release Date: 4/26/2007 3:23 PM
>
> 



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Chris - I have used something similar to Alan but with clear labels.
Although not a close-up, you can see the results on my 2200m TX and
Wattmeter in the first picture here:

http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm/2200mstn.html

Further to what Alan suggests, you can also purchase 'decal' paper that can
be used with your laser printer (maybe bubble-jet as well?) to print out
labels that can then be cut, soaked and positioned on your panel
appropriately. I haven't bought any of the decal paper locally,  but have
seen it on e-bay.

73 / Steve / VE7SL


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Chris
I have made something acceptable to me by using a labler, a sort of up
market Dymo prints clear clean black letter on a thin white adhesive strip.
Not professional but workmanlike, and more long lasting than Dymo which
often bows and peels off. The white tape is a lot more expensive than Dymo
but might save a respray !!

Another suggestion was to design the panel on a PC drawing program.
Laser-print the output, scaling it to the exact size. Then laminate it and
stick the lamination to the metal panel.
Another option is a signmaking system that used to be available from RS
where you generate a negative and then print it to an adhesive coloured
metal foil. This is fairly rugged and will stand up to everyday wear and
tear. The process is a bit like photo printing a printed circuit board.

The transistor fault sounds a very odd one (I use to be in transistor
reliability !) Is it actually breaking-down (avalanching) or is the base
being pulled up to the collector voltage, in which case it may be a "pipe"
formed at a crystal imperfection, but they are not usually intermittant.
Interesting because the collector and base of a small transistor are on
opposite side of the die so a mechanical problem is usually ruled out.

To Dave re the NoV almost the same response to the same comment as on mine
Dave!!

Cheers de Alan G3NYK


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> I've finished my 500 kc/s TRX and the wiring is quite tidy.
> Any ideas how I can letter up the front panel controls ?
- Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Tryit now.



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Hi Chris,

I have used a CD marker pen (various colours available), it writes a fine 
line & looks good if you have a steady hand.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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Any ideas how I can letter up the front panel controls ?



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Hi David, its not optimum ...an electronic cut and try !!.....but try
putting 1000pF (or a few pF less) across L2, which makes it parallel
resonant at 1000kHz and increases the 2nd harmonic rejection at the cost of
slightly less ultimate out-of-band rejection

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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> This should do the job.
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> _http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/lpf.htm_
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This should do the job.
 
 
_http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/lpf.htm_ 
(http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/lpf.htm) 
 
 
73
 
David
 
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Hello  all,
Like my friend Dave, ZL3FJ,  I am also "in waiting" on a 500kHz  
allocation in ZL land.
I have done some testing on my "modded" IC706  Mk2 using a thermal RF 
ammeter and dummy load.
About 30 watts maximum  output was obtained although the waveform was 
nothing to write home about.  My attempts to get more output power 
were rewarded with a much poorer  waveform and no more output. No 
doubt, some filtering could greatly reduce  the obvious harmonic content.
73,
Kevin,  ZL4MD







   

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Hello all,
Like my friend Dave, ZL3FJ,  I am also "in waiting" on a 500kHz 
allocation in ZL land.
I have done some testing on my "modded" IC706 Mk2 using a thermal RF 
ammeter and dummy load.
About 30 watts maximum output was obtained although the waveform was 
nothing to write home about. My attempts to get more output power 
were rewarded with a much poorer waveform and no more output. No 
doubt, some filtering could greatly reduce the obvious harmonic content.
73,
Kevin, ZL4MD



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Kevin,

There have been designs for 500 kHz low pass filters on the RSGB reflector.

There is still nil to report on 500 kHz in ZL.

73, Bob

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> Hello all,
> Like my friend Dave, ZL3FJ,  I am also "in waiting" on a 500kHz 
> allocation in ZL land.
> I have done some testing on my "modded" IC706 Mk2 using a thermal RF 
> ammeter and dummy load.
> About 30 watts maximum output was obtained although the waveform was 
> nothing to write home about. My attempts to get more output power 
> were rewarded with a much poorer waveform and no more output. No 
> doubt, some filtering could greatly reduce the obvious harmonic content.
> 73,
> Kevin, ZL4MD
> 
> 
>



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Mike,

I am sorry for leaving your name off of the communications... I just 
realized that I had been addressing all of them to Bob.

There must be short circuits in my think bucket....  :o)

J.




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Henny,

> nice copy of xes

Thanks for the report! At what time was the capture taken?

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nice copy of xes

qrs60 antenne racal actif 60 cm
henny pa3cpm  jo22mb
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Dear LF Group,

I also notice DCF 39 burst sidebands spreading into "our" band.  It 
also seems to me they sound more aggressive than before.

I measure its field strength at 2.4mV/m. It used to be 2 mV/m but the 
difference is too small to draw conclusions as regarding radiated power.

73, Dick PA0SE
JO22GD

At 01:28 21-4-2007, you wrote:
>Dear Markus, LF Group,
>
>I have just liberated my computer from other duties to have a look for
>EW6GB, and I seem to be hearing the DCF 39 extra-wide sidebands at around
>137.7kHz here in the UK. The Hungarian "DCF" station has been putting
>audible sidebands into the lower end of the band for some time, but this is
>the first time I have noticed audible sidebands of the data bursts at the
>upper end of the band as well!
>
>Cheers, Jim Moritz
>73 de M0BMU
>
>
>...My unconfirmed assumption is that the modulation parameters of DCF39 have
>been changed towards even less pulse shaping. But an occupied bandwidth of
>3.8 kHz for a 200 bd FSK signal would seem rather ridiculous! I would be
>keen to know whether others are also seeing the annoying sidebands, and if
>anyone in the group has contact information to the DCF transmitter operators
>on site.
>
>
>73 and Happy Easter,
>Markus, DF6NM




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Dear Markus, LF Group,

I have just liberated my computer from other duties to have a look for
EW6GB, and I seem to be hearing the DCF 39 extra-wide sidebands at around
137.7kHz here in the UK. The Hungarian "DCF" station has been putting
audible sidebands into the lower end of the band for some time, but this is
the first time I have noticed audible sidebands of the data bursts at the
upper end of the band as well!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


...My unconfirmed assumption is that the modulation parameters of DCF39 have
been changed towards even less pulse shaping. But an occupied bandwidth of
3.8 kHz for a 200 bd FSK signal would seem rather ridiculous! I would be
keen to know whether others are also seeing the annoying sidebands, and if
anyone in the group has contact information to the DCF transmitter operators
on site.


73 and Happy Easter,
Markus, DF6NM



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Jean-Pierre

Wow! Nice copy. Looks like a mid winter capture.

Thanks for your continued interest and grabber operation on 137 kHz.

Jay W1VD / WD2XNS



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Mal, mni tks rprt - email glitch fixed - info direct ltr.
Rog

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Hi all
Last nite GW3UEP suddenly appeared on 501.2 khz at 1925 z and peaked to =
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then disappeared again in qsb and was never heard again!!!!!
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cos I believe you can hear me all the time but not the reverse.
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73 de Mal/G3KEV


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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal, mni tks rprt -=20
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Lbr Walter,

kann dich mit 2 W ERP in CW normal h�ren (QTH JN68GN), nur wenn auch
SM6BHZ (nehme an, er ist es) ebenfalls sendet, h�re ich nur ein Schweben
zwischen euren beiden Frequenzen.

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB

  "Walter Staubach" <walter.staubach@fen-net.de> schrieb: 
Dear friends,
           I have just started DI2AG with 2W ERP ( instead of 0,4W ERP )
in QRSS3 on 505,090kHz. Identification "DI2AG JN59NO" in regular CW,
followed by the same words in QRSS3. Reports are welcome.73   Walter  
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2 W ERP in CW normal h�ren (QTH JN68GN), nur wenn auch SM6BHZ (nehme an,
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Dear friends,
           I have just started DI2AG with 2W ERP ( instead of 0,4W ERP ) =
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I regret to say that the links in my previous post were in error.
The correct link for a program to calculate radiation resistance

ftp://ftp.yehudi.ca/ham-radio/r.f

The binary is also available and should run if you have Linux

ftp://ftp.yehudi.ca/ham-radio/r

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ftp://ftp.yehudi.ca/pub/ham-radio/r.f

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In a message dated 25/04/2007 06:45:18 Greenwich Standard Time,  
dk1kq@t-online.de writes:

Hi Peter,
 
here also FT1000MP and also observed lower senestivity  arround 500 kc.
Wonder if you have built a preamplifier in order to overcome  this ?
 
Uwe, dk1kq



Hullo Uwe,
 
Yes, I made a simple preamplifier that solved the problem of low  sensitivity 
and removed the spurious signals from my local medium wave broadcast  
stations.
 
The input circuit is a small 465 KHz I.F. transformer in a can 2 x 2 x 3.5  
cm, possibly from and old transistor radio.  The coils are tuned by  330pF 
capacitors and one of the windings has a low-Z tap.  The Q of each  coil is about 
75 at 500KHz.  I use the low-Z tap for the aerial input and  the secondary 
winding feeds the gate of a BF244A FET amplifier with its  drain directly coupled 
to a 2N3906 transistor emitter follower. It is  actually a circuit for an LF 
band preselector that I published more than 25  years ago in the now defunct 
Short Wave Magazine.  I have seen a very  similar circuit for 500 KHz somewhere 
on the internet but can't  remember where.  However, any simple tuned preamp 
should work fine at  this frequency.
 
With the preamp in circuit I operate the FT1000MP with the IPO button 'on'  
and the ATT set to give a low S-meter reading on local noise picked up by the  
antenna.  Sensitivity is now more than adequate and there is no trace of  
spurious on the Spectran waterfall.
 
73 Peter, G3JFS.




   

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For two or three years, somebody has been advertising in the back of RadCom=
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On 22/03/2007 at 18:52 Gannaway, Julian wrote:

>Does anyone know of a reasonably cheap source of  large Ferrite Rods
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LF/MF up to a MHz or so? eg approx 0.5 inch dia, 6-8 inches long...
>I
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Hello LFers,

I took the attached Argo snippet at 11:45 UTC April 2nd.
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73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
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Is there anyone monitoring these groups/reflector who knows the deep insides
of filter design theory?

I've just synthesized a straightforward 50- 75MHz 5th order
Top-C-coupled  bandpass filter to form part of a frequency converter that
will feed an SDR-IQ digital receiver.   While playing with the filter
design using a circuit analysis package, and recalling satellite microwave
cavity filter designs from the dim-and-distant past, I remembered that by
arranging cross-coupling between non adjacent resonators, it was possible
to form pairs of real zeros in the upper and lower stop bands
respectively.  These convert the filter to an elliptic type response, and
considerably improve the cut-off.  I also recall it was a very critical
thing to set up.

So, I tried adding an additional cap between resonators 2 and 4, got a
wonderful 10 - 20dB improvement in the low end cut-off response around 40MHz
exactly where it was needed,  BUT ONLY THE ONE REAL-ZERO COULD BE FOUND !!!
There is absolutely no sign af any second null above the passband.

Where's it gone?  Shouldn't they always come in pairs?  This is really
bugging me, I can't sleep at night, can anyone explain?
Could it be because a top-coupled - C  BPF is non-symmetrical?

Full circuit details can be found at
http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/50-75bpf.pdf

Andy  G4JNT
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<div>Is there anyone monitoring these groups/reflector who knows the deep insides of filter design theory?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I&#39;ve just&nbsp;synthesized a straightforward 50- 75MHz 5th order Top-C-coupled&nbsp;&nbsp;bandpass filter&nbsp;to form&nbsp;part of a frequency converter that will feed&nbsp;an SDR-IQ digital receiver.&nbsp;&nbsp; While playing with&nbsp;the filter design&nbsp;using a circuit analysis package, and recalling satellite microwave cavity filter designs&nbsp;from the dim-and-distant past, I remembered that by arranging cross-coupling between non adjacent resonators, it was possible to&nbsp;form pairs of real zeros in the upper and lower stop bands respectively.&nbsp;&nbsp;These convert the filter to an elliptic type response, and considerably improve the cut-off.&nbsp; I also recall it was a very critical thing to set up.&nbsp;&nbsp; 
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>So, I tried adding an additional cap between resonators 2 and 4, got a wonderful 10 - 20dB improvement in the low end cut-off response around 40MHz exactly where it was needed,&nbsp; BUT ONLY THE ONE REAL-ZERO COULD BE FOUND !!!&nbsp; There is absolutely no sign af any second null above the passband.
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Where&#39;s it gone?&nbsp; Shouldn&#39;t they always come in pairs?&nbsp;&nbsp;This is really bugging me,&nbsp;I can&#39;t sleep at night, can anyone explain?&nbsp; </div>
<div>Could it be because a top-coupled - C&nbsp; BPF is non-symmetrical?</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Full circuit details can be found at&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/50-75bpf.pdf">http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/50-75bpf.pdf</a></div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Andy&nbsp; G4JNT</div>
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Last night copy of :

WD2XES 00:10 > 00:40 (only a small trace)

the files of night are filed each day at :
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73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht































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In a message dated 30/04/2007 17:28:10 GMT Standard Time,  
alan.melia@btinternet.com writes:

Oh that  really is poor. I have moaned about the aol browser my sister uses,
but no  refresh !! You may have to look to see whether you have the  option
(probably in options strangely enough!! ) to flush the cache when  you close
the browser. Otherwise you will get this problem with any site  you regula


----------------------------------------------------
I don't use IE very often these days but there used to be an option which  
specified how often a page was refreshed.
If I remember rightly some, or all, of the options  were every time a page 
was visited, every time IE was launched, or only  refresh manually.
This could be another possible source of the problem.
 
regards
 
Nigel
GM8PZR



   

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Hi Peter,
Oh that really is poor. I have moaned about the aol browser my sister uses,
but no refresh !! You may have to look to see whether you have the option
(probably in options strangely enough!! ) to flush the cache when you close
the browser. Otherwise you will get this problem with any site you regularly
visit.
Alan

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>
> Dave, Yes, I was really trapped! The refresh button on aol didn't work
even
> though it uses IE .  In the end I had to open a new IE browser  window.
Then
> when I typed in Alan's site it opened the latest  version.
>
> 73, peter G3JFS




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On 30/04/2007 at 15:35 Dave Sergeant wrote:

[ ... ]

>And I never understand why IE sets a default cache size of 10% or so 
>of your disk space, totally unnecessary now we are all on broadband.
Speak for yourself!  According to the local prefecture, this part of the=
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73
John
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Dave, Yes, I was really trapped! The refresh button on aol didn't work even  
though it uses IE .  In the end I had to open a new IE browser  window. Then 
when I typed in Alan's site it opened the latest  version.
 
73, peter G3JFS
 
In a message dated 30/04/2007 14:36:17 Greenwich Standard Time,  
dave@davesergeant.com writes:

On 30  Apr 2007 at 15:03, Alan Melia wrote:

> Ah Peter, you are trapped in  the cache !!

Means he is using IE... other browsers have decent cache  management 
and never suffer from that problem. Opera always checks for a  new 
version of the page on the server (unless you access it within 5  
hours after the last time, when you need to do a refresh).

And I  never understand why IE sets a default cache size of 10% or so 
of your  disk space, totally unnecessary now we are all on broadband.

73 Dave  G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com









   

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On 30 Apr 2007 at 15:03, Alan Melia wrote:

> Ah Peter, you are trapped in the cache !!

Means he is using IE... other browsers have decent cache management 
and never suffer from that problem. Opera always checks for a new 
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And I never understand why IE sets a default cache size of 10% or so 
of your disk space, totally unnecessary now we are all on broadband.

73 Dave G3YMC

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Peter,

Try hitting "Refresh" on your web browser. Everything seems to be there.

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Ah Peter, you are trapped in the cache !! I didnt think of that. Get the
Programs page up again from the net and then press the REFRESH button at the
top, if you get the updated page you will see the second link to ERP2.xls as
well. You are being served the old page you downloaded last night from your
PCs cache, "Temporary Internet Files" this speeds access and flipping
backwards and forwards without having to download the old page again, but it
can catch you out...always press Refresh if in any doubt.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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>
>
> Alan, so what am I doing wrong? The following is all I see at the bottom
of
> the page.  Clicking on ERP1.xls opens the March file. I can find no
reference
> to ERP2.  When I find this will it give the correct answers for a
vertical?
> Peter.
> _Click  here to download CVconv.zip_
> (http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/download/CVconv.zip)  (abt 85k)
> 6. Excel spreadsheet that calculates the radiation resistance of a  loop
and
> a top-loaded vertical (Marconi) and calculated the aerial current
necesary to
> radiate -10dBw as allowed on the new 500kHz experimental allocation.  This
> spreadsheet uses the procedure that was in the old Loopcalac. However it
turns
> out that the radiation resistance i used for the inverted "L" was
incorrect
> by a factor of 2. The formula I used from the Admiralty handbook 1938  vol
2
> turns out to be for a dipole. The radiated power quoted in this sheet is
the
> "total radiated power" which I think would be EIRP. I suggest that this is
more
> practically correct for amateur sized aerials than using the ERP figure
> which is 2.8dB greater due to the directivity. The top-length figure may
need
> changing for very small aerials, and you will need to unprotect the sheet
and
> juct change to top row cell and the change should rattle through the
sheet. I
> suggest you protect it again to prevent accidental corruption.
> _Click here  to download ERP1.xls_
> (http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/download/ERP1.xls)
>
>
> In a message dated 30/04/2007 13:11:55 Greenwich Standard Time,
> alan.melia@btinternet.com writes:
>
> Hi Peter  both versions I checked this morning are dated 29/04/07 and
> "corrected for  form-factor"
> Try http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/programs.htm
> and  go to the bottom of the page and click on the appropriate version
ERP2
> is  for short top-loads. There is still a minor problem with this that is
the
> form-factor ratio falls between two of the data points is selects the
lower
> value. I dont think this is really significant, although it will give  a
> slightly different Rrad for very short top loads from other equations  or
> programs. I have kept the file names the same as there are links
published
> to them.
>
> Best Wished de Alan G3NYK
>
> ----- Original  Message -----
> From: <ColePe@aol.com>
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>
>
> >
> >
> > Alan,
> >
> > where do I  find the new copy of your spreadsheet?  All I see on your
web
> > site is the March edition.
> >
> > Peter,  G3JFS
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Alan, so what am I doing wrong? The following is all I see at the bottom of  
the page.  Clicking on ERP1.xls opens the March file. I can find no  reference 
to ERP2.  When I find this will it give the correct answers for a  vertical? 
Peter. 
_Click  here to download CVconv.zip_ 
(http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/download/CVconv.zip)  (abt 85k) 
6. Excel spreadsheet that calculates the radiation resistance of a  loop and 
a top-loaded vertical (Marconi) and calculated the aerial current  necesary to 
radiate -10dBw as allowed on the new 500kHz experimental allocation.  This 
spreadsheet uses the procedure that was in the old Loopcalac. However it  turns 
out that the radiation resistance i used for the inverted "L" was  incorrect 
by a factor of 2. The formula I used from the Admiralty handbook 1938  vol 2 
turns out to be for a dipole. The radiated power quoted in this sheet is  the 
"total radiated power" which I think would be EIRP. I suggest that this is  more 
practically correct for amateur sized aerials than using the ERP figure  
which is 2.8dB greater due to the directivity. The top-length figure may need  
changing for very small aerials, and you will need to unprotect the sheet and  
juct change to top row cell and the change should rattle through the sheet. I  
suggest you protect it again to prevent accidental corruption. 
_Click here  to download ERP1.xls_ 
(http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/download/ERP1.xls)  


In a message dated 30/04/2007 13:11:55 Greenwich Standard Time,  
alan.melia@btinternet.com writes:

Hi Peter  both versions I checked this morning are dated 29/04/07 and
"corrected for  form-factor"
Try http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/programs.htm
and  go to the bottom of the page and click on the appropriate version ERP2
is  for short top-loads. There is still a minor problem with this that is  the
form-factor ratio falls between two of the data points is selects the  lower
value. I dont think this is really significant, although it will give  a
slightly different Rrad for very short top loads from other equations  or
programs. I have kept the file names the same as there are links  published
to them.

Best Wished de Alan G3NYK

----- Original  Message -----
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To:  <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 30 April 2007 13:11
Subject:  Re: LF: Re: Re: 500 ERP calculation  Spreadsheet


>
>
> Alan,
>
> where do I  find the new copy of your spreadsheet?  All I see on your   web
> site is the March edition.
>
> Peter,  G3JFS
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Sorry Peter a bit of abysmal typing here this morning !! corrected text
should read...

"There is still a minor problem with this, which is if the
form-factor ratio falls between two of the data points it selects the lower
value. I don't think this is really significant, although it will give a
slightly different Rrad for very short top loads compared with other
equations or
programs. I have kept the file names the same because there are links
published
to them."

Cheers Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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>
>
> Alan,
>
> where do I find the new copy of your spreadsheet?  All I see on your  web
> site is the March edition.
>
> Peter, G3JFS
>
> In a message dated 29/04/2007 22:17:19 Greenwich Standard Time,
> alan.melia@btinternet.com writes:
>
> Hi Gary  and Dave, if and when you have time could you please try again
now.
> I  resaved them and the file is smaller. I guess it may be my usual
problem
> with the scroll mouse, having set the dropdown window, I roll  the
> scrol-wheell and it changes the setting. I keep forgetting to left  click
> outside the drop-down, before using the scroll-wheel.
>
> They  load onto my ver. 7 Excel now (Win 95 version .....meany !!)
>
> I think  they must have been text or Works files.
>
> Thanks, I hope that the last  glitch tonight !
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Peter both versions I checked this morning are dated 29/04/07 and
"corrected for form-factor"
Try http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/programs.htm
and go to the bottom of the page and click on the appropriate version ERP2
is for short top-loads. There is still a minor problem with this that is the
form-factor ratio falls between two of the data points is selects the lower
value. I dont think this is really significant, although it will give a
slightly different Rrad for very short top loads from other equations or
programs. I have kept the file names the same as there are links published
to them.

Best Wished de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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>
>
> Alan,
>
> where do I find the new copy of your spreadsheet?  All I see on your  web
> site is the March edition.
>
> Peter, G3JFS
>
> In a message dated 29/04/2007 22:17:19 Greenwich Standard Time,
> alan.melia@btinternet.com writes:
>
> Hi Gary  and Dave, if and when you have time could you please try again
now.
> I  resaved them and the file is smaller. I guess it may be my usual
problem
> with the scroll mouse, having set the dropdown window, I roll  the
> scrol-wheell and it changes the setting. I keep forgetting to left  click
> outside the drop-down, before using the scroll-wheel.
>
> They  load onto my ver. 7 Excel now (Win 95 version .....meany !!)
>
> I think  they must have been text or Works files.
>
> Thanks, I hope that the last  glitch tonight !
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Hi Dave
 Ia^2*Rloss is power lost not radiated. The Rloss figure is only they for
historical reasons...the "Efficiency" column is the only one that uses it.
You will just need more power to drive the calculated current through Rrad +
Rloss.
Thanks for the check on the down load....you both had me worried, until I
realised what I had done.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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> On 29 Apr 2007 at 23:16, Alan Melia wrote:
>
> > Hi Gary and Dave, if and when you have time could you please try again
> > now. I resaved them and the file is smaller. I guess it may be my
> > usual problem with the scroll mouse, having set the dropdown window, I
> > roll the scrol-wheell and it changes the setting. I keep forgetting to
> > left click outside the drop-down, before using the scroll-wheel.
> >
> > They load onto my ver. 7 Excel now (Win 95 version .....meany !!)
> >
> > I think they must have been text or Works files.
> >
> > Thanks, I hope that the last glitch tonight !
> >
> > Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> >
> >
> >
> That version works a lot better....
>
> Why if I change the RLoss value does it not change the 'Ae current
> for -10dBw' values, or am I missing something?
>
> 73 Dave G3YMC
>
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Alan,
 
where do I find the new copy of your spreadsheet?  All I see on your  web 
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Peter, G3JFS
 
In a message dated 29/04/2007 22:17:19 Greenwich Standard Time,  
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Hi Gary  and Dave, if and when you have time could you please try again now.
I  resaved them and the file is smaller. I guess it may be my usual  problem
with the scroll mouse, having set the dropdown window, I roll  the
scrol-wheell and it changes the setting. I keep forgetting to left  click
outside the drop-down, before using the scroll-wheel.

They  load onto my ver. 7 Excel now (Win 95 version .....meany !!)

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On 29 Apr 2007 at 23:16, Alan Melia wrote:

> Hi Gary and Dave, if and when you have time could you please try again
> now. I resaved them and the file is smaller. I guess it may be my
> usual problem with the scroll mouse, having set the dropdown window, I
> roll the scrol-wheell and it changes the setting. I keep forgetting to
> left click outside the drop-down, before using the scroll-wheel.
> 
> They load onto my ver. 7 Excel now (Win 95 version .....meany !!)
> 
> I think they must have been text or Works files.
> 
> Thanks, I hope that the last glitch tonight !
> 
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> 
> 
>
That version works a lot better....

Why if I change the RLoss value does it not change the 'Ae current 
for -10dBw' values, or am I missing something?

73 Dave G3YMC



http://www.davesergeant.com



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Hi Gary and Dave, if and when you have time could you please try again now.
I resaved them and the file is smaller. I guess it may be my usual problem
with the scroll mouse, having set the dropdown window, I roll the
scrol-wheell and it changes the setting. I keep forgetting to left click
outside the drop-down, before using the scroll-wheel.

They load onto my ver. 7 Excel now (Win 95 version .....meany !!)

I think they must have been text or Works files.

Thanks, I hope that the last glitch tonight !

Cheers de Alan G3NYK




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Bob and All,

Reception not quite as good overnight, but still good.  If you look closely, 
you will see the two screen captures were added so that they represent a 
continuous time line.

Good work, ZM2E team, two days in a row!

J 

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Hello Walter,

thanks for your reply,
my address is:
Victor van Kooten
Nijenrodeplantsoen 122
3554TT
Utrecht
Holland

73,GL

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Walter Staubach
Verzonden: maandag 9 april 2007 18:23
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Many thanks, Victor, for nice capture of my beacon early in the evening.
That was only 0,4W ERP. Please give me your address, I would like to send
you the DI2AG-QSL directly.
73
Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Victor van Kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>
An: blacksheep <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; AAQ <pb0aaq@casema.nl>; cp=
m
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Datum: Samstag, 7. April 2007 21:31
Betreff: LF: DI2AG


>Captured at 505.09 KHz
>19:30 UTC
>RX Racal 1771
>Ant active whip
>
>73
>Victor
>PA3FNY
>JO22NC






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When u find out Gary let me know, working a pirate would not count towards
dxcc !!
G3CZI has been active but sounds suspect, he calls then disappears suddenly,
can u ck him out also.
73 mal/G3KEV

----- Original Message -----
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> Hi Mal & LF,
>
> We had better find out if it is a legal station on 500 KHz before thinking
> about QSO's.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> > Does anyone have the secret route to PA2NL to get him into QSO mode????
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> > 73 Mal/G3KEV
> >
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Hi all,

Our captures and log report from 31st March did not reach the reflector so 
we are now attempting to send the captures one at a time. This first picture 
shows 4 "J"s from VY1JA. Not strong but great for 80 watts at more than 
12,000km.

Mike ZL4OL and Bob ZL2CA 

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Hi Laurie

I don't know where you got your 1792 from, but Telford Electronics =
repair them.

73s Tracey
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  Subject: LF: RA 1792 Help


  Thanks Marco for the suggestion. Have checked mute line can't find =
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Hi Laurie, you might try Brian ct1drp. He is a bit of an expert on these
beasts having rebuilt about 8 now
Brian Rogerson
E-mail Address(es):
  brian@esoterica.pt
still works for him. He is freeting as his tame Portugese builder finishes
off his brick built garage/shack/ workshop.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK



----- Original Message -----
From: lawrence mayhead <laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com>
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Subject: LF: RA 1792 Help


> Thanks Marco for the suggestion. Have checked mute line can't find
anything
> wrong !
> so guess I have major problem, possibly microprocessor board, although
other
> functions
> seem ok. Very frustrating.
> 73 Laurie.
>



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On Sun, 29 Apr 2007, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote:
> I can not easy remember general (without narrow band approximation) form
> of LPF to BPF transformation but shure it is posible and yelds
> some asymmetry in BPF response.

Though somone similar to \omega'=a*\omega + b/\omega with constant a and
b. This is NONLINEAR transformation which yelds some distortion of
response.
 
 73 de RA9MB/Alex
 http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb



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Dear Jim and group,

On Sat, 28 Apr 2007, James Moritz wrote:
> One classic way of designing a bandpass filter with a symmetrical response 
> is to start with a low-pass ladder filter (i.e. series inductors, shunt 
> capacitors) response with the desired bandwidth, ripple, etc., then to 
> perform "lowpass to bandpass transformation", which results in 
> each shunt C being replaced with a parallel LC with the original value
> of C, and  each series L being replaced by a series LC with the original
> value of L. The other component in each LC has a value such that each LC is 
> resonant at the desired centre frequency. This gives a response with 
> the same bandwidth and shape as the original low-pass, but with perfect 
> geometrical symmetry about the centre frequency, i.e. if centre 
> frequency = fo, the response at k*fo is the same as at fo/k . 

IMHO this is true for narrow bandpass filters only. If bandpass is not
narrow in comparison with central frequency then one can do LPF to BPF
transformation also. But it is more complex and yelds not symmetrical
response of BPF about central frequency. But all poles and zerros of
prototype LPF are present anyway.

For narrow band BPF impedance of sieries LC near \omega_0 is approximatly
(!)  Z=j*L'(\omega-\omega_0) which corresponds to Z=j*L*\omega of
L in prototype LPF. Similary Z of paralel LC is aproximatly (!)
Z=1/j*C'*(\omega-\omega_0) which corresponds to Z=1/j*C*\omega
of C in prototype LPF. But this is only narrow band approximation.  
I can not easy remember general (without narrow band approximation) form
of LPF to BPF transformation but shure it is posible and yelds
some asymmetry in BPF response.

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb




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Dear Andy, LF Group,

Well, this should put an end to anyone's insomnia :-)

For your particular circuit, the "missing" zero is at minus 40MHz. The =
poles and zeroes in a transfer function have to be symmetrical about the =
real axis of the complex frequency plane, so have to occur in conjugate =
pairs if they are not on the real axis. In this case there are two zeros =
at s =3D 0 +/- j*2pi*40Meg. But this does not mean that a bandpass =
frequency response has to be symmetrical about the centre frequency - it =
is quite OK for there to be a rejection notch on one side of the =
passband and not on the other. It does mean the response will be the =
same for positive and negative frequencies, i.e. symmetrical about zero =
frequency.

One classic way of designing a bandpass filter with a symmetrical =
response is to start with a low-pass ladder filter (i.e. series =
inductors, shunt capacitors) response with the desired bandwidth, =
ripple, etc., then to perform "lowpass to bandpass transformation", =
which results in each shunt C being replaced with a parallel LC with the =
original value of C, and  each series L being replaced by a series LC =
with the original value of L. The other component in each LC has a value =
such that each LC is resonant at the desired centre frequency. This =
gives a response with the same bandwidth and shape as the original =
low-pass, but with perfect geometrical symmetry about the centre =
frequency, i.e. if centre frequency =3D fo, the response at k*fo is the =
same as at fo/k . This process also works if you start with an elliptic =
low-pass, in which case the series arm capacitors in the low-pass =
elliptic become parallel LCs and shunt arm inductors become series LCs. =
This will again give a geometrically symetrical response, with any zeros =
(notches) above the passband mirrored by corresponding zeroes below the =
passband. The trouble with this type of design is that for passbands =
that are a small fraction of the centre frequency, the component values =
vary over an impractically wide range (very small shunt inductors, very =
large series inductors and so on). There are a whole range of tricks for =
making the design more practical, as Mike pointed out.

The initial circuit Andy has designed is a "coupled resonator" filter, =
which is the classic way of designing a narrow-band bandpass filter. =
This has the advantage that the starting point is a number of identical =
LC resonators (or other types of resonator), and the required bandwidth =
and response shape is obtained by changing the coupling capacitors (or =
it could be inductors, irises etc.), and the load resistances. Again =
there are lots of tricks for making the design more practical, but you =
only have to worry about getting the right coupling. The trouble with =
this is that it relies on a "narrow band approximation", where the =
mathematical synthesis assumes (so I'm told...) that the coupling =
impedance does not vary with frequency. This is a good approximation in =
a narrow bandwidth, but gives rise to increasing deviation from the =
assumed frequency response as you move further from the centre =
frequency. Thus, the type of filter in Andy's design is inherently =
asymmetrical, as can be seen from the frequency response plots - the =
high frequency side has lower attenuation. The limitation of this type =
of design comes when the passband becomes unacceptably lop-sided with =
wide bandwidths. On the other hand, the transformed low-pass type can =
have any combination of centre frequency and bandwidth, and will still =
give a response which is perfectly symmetrical when plotted on a log =
frequency axis.

Andy's modification results in a circuit with a combination of =
asymmetrical band-pass and notch filter responses - provided the =
desirable notch reponse does not turn out to be horribly sensitive to =
slight component value changes, or to depend on the precise interaction =
of several components, this is OK. You will probably also find that =
stop-band attenuation is reduced due to the by-passing effect of the =
added capacitor - from the plots, a few dB attenuation have been lost at =
the HF end. But this might be perfectly acceptable. Another possible =
problem is the depenence on the unloaded Q of the components. In the =
circuit shown on Andy's web page, there is no loss, so infinite Q. It =
might be found that the notch is much less pronounced if some loss =
resistance is added in series with each inductor.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Andy, LF Group,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, this should put an end to =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For your particular circuit,&nbsp;the =
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zeroes in a=20
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fraction=20
of the centre frequency, the component values vary over an impractically =
wide=20
range (very small shunt inductors, very large series inductors and so =
on). There=20
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Mike=20
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narrow-band=20
bandpass filter. This has the advantage that the starting point is a =
number of=20
identical LC resonators (or other types of resonator), and the required=20
bandwidth and response shape is obtained by changing the coupling =
capacitors (or=20
it could be inductors, irises etc.), and the load resistances. Again =
there are=20
lots of tricks for making the design more practical, but you only have =
to worry=20
about getting the right coupling. The trouble with this is that it =
relies on a=20
"narrow band approximation", where the mathematical synthesis assumes =
(so I'm=20
told...) that the coupling impedance does not vary with frequency. =
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deviation from the assumed frequency response as you move further from =
the=20
centre frequency. Thus, the type of filter in Andy's design is =
inherently=20
asymmetrical, as can be seen from the frequency response plots - the =
high=20
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design=20
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bandwidths. On=20
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of centre=20
frequency and bandwidth, and will still give a&nbsp;response =
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circuit with a=20
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provided the=20
desirable notch reponse does not turn out to be horribly sensitive to =
slight=20
component value changes, or to depend on the precise interaction of =
several=20
components,&nbsp;this is OK. You will probably also find that stop-band=20
attenuation is reduced due to the by-passing effect of the added =
capacitor -=20
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end. But=20
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page, there=20
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less=20
pronounced&nbsp;if some loss resistance is added in series with each=20
inductor.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers, Jim Moritz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de M0BMU</FONT></DIV>
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hi Mike -
No I don't want a zero there.  For all practical purposes I'm more than
happy with what the filter actually does at the moment.

My puzzle is that there should be one and there isn't.

An inductor coupling non-adjacent resonators appears to put a zero into the
pass band;  at least it puts a huge dip there - the last thing I want.

Andy  G4JNT


On 27/04/07, Mike Underhill <mike@underhill.co.uk> wrote:
>
>  Andy
>
>
>
> A correction: I should have said 'in series with' and not 'across'.  So
> that my post should read:
>
>
>
> "For a second zero on the HF side try an inductor 'in series with' the
> 'zero' capacitor.  The trouble is that it will have to have the same
> reactance as this 1.5p capacitor and that may not be easily realisable in
> practice.  The inductor could also go between resonators 1 and 3 or 3 and 5
> I think.  If the inductor value is too high you can use a small 'link' coil
> on each of the resonators to be inductively coupled and connect these by a
> pair of twisted wires.  Getting the coupling right can be fiddly. You can
> get another LF zero rather than the wanted HF zero, I think, if you get the
> phasing wrong."  .
>
>
>
> I hope this helps but as I said it is some time since I taught this stuff!
>  Good luck.
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<div>hi Mike -</div>
<div>No I don&#39;t want a zero there.&nbsp; For all practical purposes I&#39;m more than happy with what the filter actually does&nbsp;at the moment.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>My puzzle is that there should be one and there isn&#39;t.&nbsp;&nbsp; </div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>An inductor coupling non-adjacent resonators appears to put a zero into the pass band;&nbsp; at least it puts a huge dip there - the last thing I want.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Andy&nbsp; G4JNT<br><br>&nbsp;</div>
<div><span class="gmail_quote">On 27/04/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Mike Underhill</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:mike@underhill.co.uk">mike@underhill.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</span>
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<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Andy </span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">A correction: I should have said 'in series with' and not 'across'.&nbsp; So that my post should read:</span></font></p>

<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">"For a second zero on the HF side try an inductor 'in series with' the 'zero' capacitor.&nbsp; The trouble is that it will have to have the same reactance as this 
1.5p capacitor and that may not be easily realisable in practice.&nbsp; The inductor could also go between resonators 1 and 3 or 3 and 5 I think.&nbsp; If the inductor value is too high you can use a small 'link' coil on each of the resonators to be inductively coupled and connect these by a pair of twisted wires.&nbsp; Getting the coupling right can be fiddly. You can get another LF zero rather than the wanted HF zero, I think, if you get the phasing wrong."&nbsp; .&nbsp; 
</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">&nbsp;</span></font></p>
<p><font face="Arial" color="navy" size="2"><span style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I hope this helps but as I said it is some time since I taught this stuff! &nbsp;Good luck.</span></font></p>
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Andy=20

=20

For a second zero on the HF side try an inductor across the =91zero=92
capacitor.  The trouble is that it will have to have the same reactance =
as
this 1.5p capacitor and that may not be easily realisable in practice.  =
The
inductor could also go between resonators 1 and 3 or 3 and 5 I think.  =
If
the inductor value is too high you can use a small =91link=92 coil on =
each of
the resonators to be inductively coupled and connect these by a pair of
twisted wires.  Getting the coupling right can be fiddly. You can get
another LF zero rather than the wanted HF zero, I think, if you get the
phasing wrong. =20

=20

I hope this helps but it is some time since I taught this stuff. Good =
luck.

=20

Mike =96 G3LHZ

=20

=20

=20


From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andy Talbot
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 Subject: LF: Filter expert needed - Mystery of the lost real zero.

=20

Is there anyone monitoring these groups/reflector who knows the deep =
insides
of filter design theory?

=20

I've just synthesized a straightforward 50- 75MHz 5th order =
Top-C-coupled
bandpass filter to form part of a frequency converter that will feed an
SDR-IQ digital receiver.   While playing with the filter design using a
circuit analysis package, and recalling satellite microwave cavity =
filter
designs from the dim-and-distant past, I remembered that by arranging
cross-coupling between non adjacent resonators, it was possible to form
pairs of real zeros in the upper and lower stop bands respectively.  =
These
convert the filter to an elliptic type response, and considerably =
improve
the cut-off.  I also recall it was a very critical thing to set up.  =20

=20

So, I tried adding an additional cap between resonators 2 and 4, got a
wonderful 10 - 20dB improvement in the low end cut-off response around =
40MHz
exactly where it was needed,  BUT ONLY THE ONE REAL-ZERO COULD BE FOUND =
!!!
There is absolutely no sign af any second null above the passband.=20

=20

Where's it gone?  Shouldn't they always come in pairs?  This is really
bugging me, I can't sleep at night, can anyone explain? =20

Could it be because a top-coupled - C  BPF is non-symmetrical?

=20

Full circuit details can be found at    HYPERLINK
"http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/50-75bpf.pdf"http://www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/50-75=
bpf
.pdf

=20

Andy  G4JNT

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inductor across the =91zero=92 capacitor.&nbsp; The trouble is that it
will have to have the same reactance as this 1.5p capacitor and that may =
not be
easily realisable in practice.&nbsp; The inductor could also go between
resonators 1 and 3 or 3 and 5 I think.&nbsp; If the inductor value is =
too high you
can use a small =91link=92 coil on each of the resonators to be
inductively coupled and connect these by a pair of twisted wires.&nbsp; =
Getting
the coupling right can be fiddly. You can get another LF zero rather =
than the
wanted HF zero, I think, if you get the phasing wrong.&nbsp; =
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style=3D'font-size:
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Top-C-coupled&nbsp;&nbsp;bandpass filter&nbsp;to form&nbsp;part of a =
frequency
converter that will feed&nbsp;an SDR-IQ digital receiver.&nbsp;&nbsp; =
While
playing with&nbsp;the filter design&nbsp;using a circuit analysis =
package, and
recalling satellite microwave cavity filter designs&nbsp;from the
dim-and-distant past, I remembered that by arranging cross-coupling =
between non
adjacent resonators, it was possible to&nbsp;form pairs of real zeros in =
the
upper and lower stop bands respectively.&nbsp;&nbsp;These convert the =
filter to
an elliptic type response, and considerably improve the cut-off.&nbsp; I =
also
recall it was a very critical thing to set up.&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt'>So, I tried adding an additional cap between resonators 2 and 4, =
got a
wonderful 10 - 20dB improvement in the low end cut-off response around =
40MHz
exactly where it was needed,&nbsp; BUT ONLY THE ONE REAL-ZERO COULD BE =
FOUND
!!!&nbsp; There is absolutely no sign af any second null above the =
passband. </span></font></p>

</div>

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12.0pt'>Where's it gone?&nbsp; Shouldn't they always come in
pairs?&nbsp;&nbsp;This is really bugging me,&nbsp;I can't sleep at =
night, can
anyone explain?&nbsp; </span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
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Mike McAlevey wrote:
> thanks for the captures of reception of ZM2E. I don't recall our 
> signals having been captured in VK6 before. Any sign of an amateur LF 
> allocation over there?
Hi Mike,

To the best of my knowledge nobody in VK6 has ever really listened 
seriously on 137 kHz in the past.  Certainly RX'ing a signal on 137 on 
my first attempt was a very satisfying event for me!

The WIA has applied for a 505 ~ 515 kHz MF allocation - 
http://www.wia.org.au/news/2007/20070214-01.php  600M seems to be a band 
with some interesting possibilities.

I understand that for VK LF TX operations a special experimental license 
would be required.  A small number of such licenses have been granted in 
the past.  I am unaware of any recent VK activity on LF however.

Thanks for helping provide the signal from ZM2E!   It was a worthwhile 
exercise.

Regards,

David, VK6DI, OF88cd.

VK6DI Captures: http://tinyurl.com/rzzsj


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Thanks Victor,

There is quite a contrast in the receptions.  I was running
about 4.3 amps to a 100 metre wire at 10 metres height
from a Decca amp with about 1 kW DC input in both instances.

As usual, Alan is spot on with his predictions!

Thanks for the report and captures.

73
Joe

On Sun, 8 Apr 2007, Victor van Kooten wrote:

> Captured last night,the first picture is from last week,
>
> 73,
> Victor


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Soon after I posted I found the signal had drifted 100Hz lf and 
become weaker. I can no longer hear it now though there was something 
there yesterday. So it may in fact be local to me.

73 Dave G3YMC

On 2 Apr 2007 at 19:37, Gary - G4WGT wrote:

> Hi Alan,
> 
> Since your reply I have tried various types of antenna to receive the
> UNID signal, as the antennas (or lengths of wire) get progressively
> poorer for 500 kHz the signal gets weaker until it is no longer
> visible so I doubt that it is local to me. If you saw Daves's (G3YMC)
> reply he wrote :-
> 
> "Copying it 57 here in Bracknell Gary IO91PJ. Seems to have some sort
> of warble on it but no obvious data."
> 
> I will continue to  monitor.
> 
> 73
> 
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
>  Hi Gary, I have just put Spectran on averageing (0.67Hz resolution)
>  and I
> see nothing on that frequency here, though I can just see is set of
> very weak 50Hz line sidebands.
> 
> 


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Hi Alan,

Since your reply I have tried various types of antenna to receive the UNID 
signal, as the antennas (or lengths of wire) get progressively poorer for 
500 kHz the signal gets weaker until it is no longer visible so I doubt that 
it is local to me. If you saw Daves's (G3YMC) reply he wrote :-

"Copying it 57 here in Bracknell Gary IO91PJ. Seems to have some sort
of warble on it but no obvious data."

I will continue to  monitor.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

----- Original Message ----- 

 Hi Gary, I have just put Spectran on averageing (0.67Hz resolution) and I
see nothing on that frequency here, though I can just see is set of very
weak 50Hz line sidebands.



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Hello Victor,

thanks for the report, it seems to be challenging but possible to receive
DI2BO despite the low power. I assume the ERP is in the 10 mW range.

Distance is 341 km!

Best 73

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Captured at 18:50 UTC
>
> 73
> Victor
> PA3FNY
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J,

Confirming ZM2E was beaconing with ZZZ... with FSK120 from 0915z to 1115z 
which was after Joe had sunrise and while we were waiting for sunset in UA0. 
So it matches what you received :o)

Also noting you were capturing on 60 second dot length, for our 120 dot 
length transmission.

73, Bob ZL2CA and Mike ZL4OL

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Mike, Bob, and All,
>
> ZM2E Day 3 capture.  Taken by Argo at VY1JA at11:43 at 60 second dit and
> normal speed. Again on untuned 100' vertical with FT-990.
>
> Very nice signal again, guys.
>
> J
> 




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Hi LF's

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At 11.33 03/04/2007, you wrote:
>Thanks Marco for the suggestion. Have checked mute line can't find 
>anything wrong !
>so guess I have major problem, possibly microprocessor board, 
>although other functions
>seem ok. Very frustrating.
>73 Laurie.

Laurie,

I will be able to fix it for free, but of course shipment isn't free 
at all. I'm sure that you will find somebody there in UK - the 1792 
is an easy to fix radio, after all.

73 - Marco IK1ODO



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Thanks Marco for the suggestion. Have checked mute line can't find anything
wrong !
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functions
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73 Laurie.

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Thanks Marco for the suggestion. Have checked mute line can&#39;t find anything wrong !<br>
so guess I have major problem, possibly microprocessor board, although other functions<br>
seem ok. Very frustrating.<br>
73 Laurie. <br>

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Hi LF's

Andy EW6GB and Oleg EW6CM planed to be QRSS on 137710  20-22 April
ew6gb@tut.by

Dmitry
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Hello Laurie,

great! Thanks for the report!=20

This proves that us LF-people have learned to twaek our receivers up to =
the optimum! And it shows that the conditions on 500 kHz allow to span a =
distance of 777 km even with a with a little backyard wire antenna and =
only 10 Watts output. As I wrote earlier, I assume the current ERP of =
DI2BO to be in the less-than-10 mW-range but I will confirm as soon as I =
got some spare time (rare event these days ...).

Best 73

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO=20

=20

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: lawrence mayhead=20
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  Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:56 PM
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  Attached capture of DI2BO at 21:45 this evening in IO90nt
  73  Laurie.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Laurie,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>great! Thanks for the report! =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This proves that us LF-people have =
learned to twaek=20
our receivers up to the optimum! And it shows that the conditions on 500 =
kHz=20
allow to span a distance of 777 km even with a with a little backyard =
wire=20
antenna and only 10 Watts output.&nbsp;As I wrote earlier, I assume the =
current=20
ERP of DI2BO to be in the less-than-10 mW-range but I will confirm as =
soon as I=20
got some spare time (rare event these days ...).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best 73</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO </FONT></DIV>
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J.B.,

I'd guess that it's a local signal from some piece of electronic 
equipment. I get these sorts of things all the time, and they come and go.

John A.

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> Here's another shot taken at 12:00 UTC of the same signal.
> I included the two Loran lines as a reference and to show
> that the drift isn't my receiver.



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Hello LFers,

Here's another shot taken at 12:00 UTC of the same signal.
I included the two Loran lines as a reference and to show
that the drift isn't my receiver.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
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Tnx, Lubos, fer agn report ( aural and picture ). That was agn only 0,4W =
ERP.
QSL will come to you next days by snail mail.
 73    Walter   DI2AG / DJ2LF

  -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
  Von: Lubom=EDr Bobal=EDk <lubomir.bobalik@rtv5.cz>
  An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
  Datum: Mittwoch, 11. April 2007 06:29
  Betreff: LF: [500] DI2AG


  GM Walter!

  I monitored DI2AG last evening from 18:00 to 21:00 UT and I didn=B4t =
see signal from it.=20

  But today morning, before sunrise, I have heared DI2AG very well, as =
you can see on attached capture.

  Report "OOO" or 579 (my QTH is 428km away from DI2AG).

  =20

  GL and nice day!

  =20

  Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Tnx, Lubos, fer agn report ( aural and picture ). =
That was agn=20
only 0,4W ERP.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>QSL will come to you next days by snail =
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;73&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Walter&nbsp;&nbsp; DI2AG =
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</A>&gt;<BR><B>Datum:=20
  </B>Mittwoch, 11. April 2007 06:29<BR><B>Betreff: </B>LF: [500]=20
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evening=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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Hi Ed that looks very interesting. I think you had better send full screens
to Joe and maybe one of the US stations who may have a "local" copy to check
against. Then the time tics will show

Good effort, well done
Best Wishes de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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> Dear LF enthusiasts,
>
> My report abt RU6LA's acty will be later
>
> 2-04-2007, 20:21 MSK(+3 GMT), Alan Melia wrote:
>
> AM> Congratulations to all on this Spring's Pacific Tests, and thanks to
all who
> AM> put so much effort into it. I am afraid I probably let you down
slightly.
> AM> The first Coronal Hole event came right on schedule but the second one
was a
> AM> little early ! Fortunately the initial effect of the precipitated
electrons
> AM> seems to be to increase the absoption levels at higher latitudes. It
takes a
> AM> day or two longer for them to diffuse down to the equatorial regions
which
> AM> would have been the centre of most paths attempted. So even the 3rd
day
> AM> results look interesting. I think even those paths will be depressed
for a
> AM> few days now.
>
> Alan, my 2 argocaps for the analysis:
> 1 - VO1NA in R6L in 60s mode of Argo Apr 1 abt 0z (V)
> QRN level was low
>
> 2 - VO1NA in R6L in 60s mode of Argo Apr 2 abt 0z (L)
> QRN level abt + 6-10dB higher
>
> TS-850 + beverege 2km long
> RX and Argo in identical adjustments
>
> 73! Ed RU6LA  http://136.73.ru



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Hi Ed,

I am happy to confirm these receptions of my signals.
Hopefully we can try again to make a 2 way attempt in
early May.

Thank-you for monitoring the signals and please accept  my
apologies foy my confusion concerning your transmit frequency.

73
Joe VO1NA


On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Ed Lesnichy wrote:

> Dear LF enthusiasts,
>
> My report abt RU6LA's acty will be later
>
> 2-04-2007, 20:21 MSK(+3 GMT), Alan Melia wrote:
>
> AM> Congratulations to all on this Spring's Pacific Tests, and thanks to all who
> AM> put so much effort into it. I am afraid I probably let you down slightly.
> AM> The first Coronal Hole event came right on schedule but the second one was a
> AM> little early ! Fortunately the initial effect of the precipitated electrons
> AM> seems to be to increase the absoption levels at higher latitudes. It takes a
> AM> day or two longer for them to diffuse down to the equatorial regions which
> AM> would have been the centre of most paths attempted. So even the 3rd day
> AM> results look interesting. I think even those paths will be depressed for a
> AM> few days now.
>
> Alan, my 2 argocaps for the analysis:
> 1 - VO1NA in R6L in 60s mode of Argo Apr 1 abt 0z (V)
> QRN level was low
>
> 2 - VO1NA in R6L in 60s mode of Argo Apr 2 abt 0z (L)
> QRN level abt + 6-10dB higher
>
> TS-850 + beverege 2km long
> RX and Argo in identical adjustments
>
> 73! Ed RU6LA  http://136.73.ru


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Dear LF enthusiasts,

My report abt RU6LA's acty will be later

2-04-2007, 20:21 MSK(+3 GMT), Alan Melia wrote:

AM> Congratulations to all on this Spring's Pacific Tests, and thanks to all who
AM> put so much effort into it. I am afraid I probably let you down slightly.
AM> The first Coronal Hole event came right on schedule but the second one was a
AM> little early ! Fortunately the initial effect of the precipitated electrons
AM> seems to be to increase the absoption levels at higher latitudes. It takes a
AM> day or two longer for them to diffuse down to the equatorial regions which
AM> would have been the centre of most paths attempted. So even the 3rd day
AM> results look interesting. I think even those paths will be depressed for a
AM> few days now.

Alan, my 2 argocaps for the analysis:
1 - VO1NA in R6L in 60s mode of Argo Apr 1 abt 0z (V)
QRN level was low

2 - VO1NA in R6L in 60s mode of Argo Apr 2 abt 0z (L)
QRN level abt + 6-10dB higher

TS-850 + beverege 2km long
RX and Argo in identical adjustments

73! Ed RU6LA  http://136.73.ru
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Hi John, I'm not very good on Morse mythology ( er I think that should be
Norse) In fact I am not even sure whether Thor is Norse or is it Odin..... I
seem to recollect JD is pretty well up on this stuff. Egypt is a bit warmer
anyway, or am I being obelisk.

Alan

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> Alan,
>
> You've gotten Ra, the sun god, down pretty well. Now, what can you do
> about Thor?
>
> John A.
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>



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Alan,

You've gotten Ra, the sun god, down pretty well. Now, what can you do 
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John A.



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Congratulations to all on this Spring's Pacific Tests, and thanks to all who
put so much effort into it. I am afraid I probably let you down slightly.
The first Coronal Hole event came right on schedule but the second one was a
little early ! Fortunately the initial effect of the precipitated electrons
seems to be to increase the absoption levels at higher latitudes. It takes a
day or two longer for them to diffuse down to the equatorial regions which
would have been the centre of most paths attempted. So even the 3rd day
results look interesting. I think even those paths will be depressed for a
few days now.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK




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Dear LF,

G3WCB will be in QRSS3 beacon mode from 2200 utc until 0800 utc tomorrow, on
503.330 kHz.

Reports most welcome.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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Dear Walter, Lubos and LF,

I'd be happy to beacon overnight, QRSS 3 or slower, provided it didn't QRM
anybody else. My two spot frequencies are 501.670 and 503.330. My ERP is
between 25 and 50 mW (The UK limit is 100 mW)

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alan Melia
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To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: Re: DI2AG_DI2BO_together


Hi Walter and Lubos, with the number of permits granted (I know of at least
15 active calls at present) continuous beaconing is not likely to be popular
in the UK. Overnight runs are more likely, by request, and I am sure there
are stations that will oblige.I am sure you can use the reflector to set up
a few test nights.

73 de Alan G3NYK


----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Staubach <walter.staubach@fen-net.de>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 13 April 2007 15:59
Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG_DI2BO_together


Dear Lubos,
         good idea with both beacons and the different fading. About
UK-beacons - I saw G3KEV for several times in the evening on 502,5.  We
should ask all the UK-amateurs with 500KHz-permit for beacon-transmissions
and to publish their frequencies on this reflector.
Proposal: Saturday to Sunday, starting 20:00Z. Hw?
73     Walter    DJ2LF / DI2AG

  -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
  Von: Lubom�r Bobal�k <lubomir.bobalik@rtv5.cz>
  An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
  Datum: Freitag, 13. April 2007 06:13
  Betreff: LF: DI2AG_DI2BO_together


  GM Walter and Geri!



  On the attached snapshot (070413 /  03:30UT) are signals of both beacons
together. You can see their different fading.



  I have a question for all: Are they some beacons on 500KHz in UK in
permanent operations? I don�t know it.

  Thanks



  Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS














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Dave,
Just testing - ur awake om!
Pse QSP G3UNT.
Rog.
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On 11 Apr 2007 at 21:25, Gw3UEP wrote:

> G3UNT solid copy 2100bst - replied several times but no response.
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> G3ROO also hrd & called earlier in week.
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> Rog / Gw3UEP.

I hope that frequency was an typo in the subject line ......

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Thanks Joe - up till today (or yesterday) Ive always taken DCF39 as a 
relative Gold standard for calibrating against globally.

Conditions look like they are coming up a bit - Budapest was just about 
audible level this morning (0500 local) under the hubbub. Its interesting 
using the SDR IQ at looking at some 190Khz of bandwidth - seems as though 
137-138KHz is one of the most noisest spots from local in building and plc 
noize - its about 12 dB better at 135.5. but still only in the -80's, no 
wonder I dont hear/see much unless its strong.


Day Long term stability test (at LF) shows the "IQ" doesnt budge at dot120 
at 20 deg room temp I can see. I have to knock the IF gain back a bit to 
12dB at night otherwise I get clipping, and putting the NB on to any level 
brings up Loran audibly (its strong here at around -55dBm). First few days 
of operation and comparison against R75 with Argo on 500 and 137Khz shows 
comparable results under my operating conditions. I rather like it, once you 
learn how to drive it..


Laurence KL 1 X /BY4 Shanghai
Misty 12degC


>From: Joe Craig <jcraig@mun.ca>
>Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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>Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 19:51:49 -0230 (NDT)
>
>Hi Laurence,
>
>Yes, it appears as if DFX39 has drifted a bit here as well.
>
>Cheers
>Joe VO1NA
>
>On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Laurence KL1X wrote:
>
> >
> > Good morning - can anyone verify that dcf39 is about 0.4Hz or so  high 
>of
> > its normal 138.83 "mark" carrier freq at this time? I was calibrating 
>the
> > SDR and noticed a difference between Budapest and
> > DCF39 normal argo plots and thought it  was an oddity with the new rx 
>but on
> > checking with the  R75 I get the same results -
> >
> > thanks
> >
> > Laurence KL1X
> >
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Hi Laurence,

Yes, it appears as if DFX39 has drifted a bit here as well.

Cheers
Joe VO1NA

On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Laurence KL1X wrote:

>
> Good morning - can anyone verify that dcf39 is about 0.4Hz or so  high of
> its normal 138.83 "mark" carrier freq at this time? I was calibrating the
> SDR and noticed a difference between Budapest and
> DCF39 normal argo plots and thought it  was an oddity with the new rx but=
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> checking with the  R75 I get the same results -
>
> thanks
>
> Laurence KL1X
>
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Good morning - can anyone verify that dcf39 is about 0.4Hz or so  high of 
its normal 138.83 "mark" carrier freq at this time? I was calibrating the 
SDR and noticed a difference between Budapest and
DCF39 normal argo plots and thought it  was an oddity with the new rx but on 
checking with the  R75 I get the same results -

thanks

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Jean-Pierre,

Thanks for the report! It's nice to have those captures.

John Andrews, W1TAG

Jean-Pierre M�r� wrote:
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> Last night good copy of :
> 
> WD2XES 01:50 > 03:00



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Last night good copy of :

WD2XES 01:50 > 03:00

the files of night are filed each day at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht



























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Vernon,

Thanks for the report -- good signals all around. A QSL card will follow 
with the next batch.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES




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Hi all,

Have attached a capture of signals copied in Nova Scotia last night at
FN85ki.

XES
XKO
NA
MP

R75 and 2000' wire (E/W), 1000' wire (N/S) and single turn 7' Octogon loop.

Regards,

Vernon - VE1VDM
Truro, Nova Scotia

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Hallo friends on LF!
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I would like to give information about my first SWL report :
 
24.3.2007 / 20:00UT / f=501.5kHz / G3KEV /  report 339QSB or "MMM" /
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73 !  Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
 

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>My name is Lubos (on cw &#8222;Bob&#8220;, shortly), =
OK2BVG,
and I am new user of this LF Reflector. My favourite hobby is band =
137kHz,
therefore I has been gladden to know info about UK activity on =
500kHz.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
12.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I would like to give information =
about my
first SWL report :<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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/ G3KEV
/<span style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0 </span>report 339QSB or =
&#8222;MMM&#8220; /
distance=3D 1388km<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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</span>Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Hi all,

It seems our report sent yesterday "bounced", maybe because of the three =

attachments of Argo traces.  We copied three DX beacons.  So a resending =
of=20
the report for the first night, but no attachments.

Hi all,

Visiting town early afternoon, after a morning sleep, we note no =
reflector
reports of ZM2E.  At ZM2E we received many beacon IDs, for much of our
night.  QRN was moderate.  We had a beacon plan where ZM2E sent Z on =
quarter
hours, and other particpants sent their single letter beacon on the hour =
and
half hour.

Nothing seen of a V from VO1NA.  Several Js copied from VY1JA, starting =
from
0930z T copy, then M copy 1030z thru 1130z, then back ot T copy at =
1200z.
Nil J from then on.  O copy of U from UA0AET at 1230z and 1300z, then =
nil at
1330z.  Then O copy of X from RX9BS 1430z.  Both 1500z and 1530z gave O =
copy
of U and T copy of X.  At 1600z we got O copy of U and nil of X, at =
1630z O
copy of U and M copy of X.  1700z we got T copy of both U and X.  1730 M
copy of U.  We decided to go to beacon mode before ZL sunrise. Some =
sample
captures are attached. The captures include overload of ZM2E transmit
signal.(which is rather strong here ::-)

ZM2E often sent the ID of the station copied to indicate a path opening, =
so
from from 1045z we sent Js, and from 1245z sent Us.

ZM2E beaconed with Z at 137776.0/137776.2 at 1740z, then narrowed shift =
to
avoid RX9BS, ZM2E Z beacon 137776.05/137776.15 from 1750z to 1820z, when =
a
suspected PC lockup ended the session (ZL sunrise 1841z).  If we find
tonight that RX9BS is too close with dot frequency, then ZM2E will stay =
on
0.1 Hz shift and use 137776.0/137776.1.  ZM2E operators Bob ZL2CA, Mike
ZL4OL and David ZL4DP, all logging many awake hours.

We would appreciate it if Alan G3NYK could adjust the northern =
hemisphere
receiving part of his propagation requisition :-)

73, Bob ZL2CA and Mike ZL4OL.

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of the=20
three <BR>attachments of Argo traces.&nbsp; We copied three DX =
beacons.&nbsp; So=20
a resending of <BR>the report for the first night, but no =
attachments.<BR><BR>Hi=20
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note no=20
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at<BR>1330z.&nbsp; Then O copy of X from RX9BS 1430z.&nbsp; Both 1500z =
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Hi All,
I have this problem on my IC781, gain reduces by about 20 db at 500kHz.
This does'nt matter when I am using the big transmit antenna, signals
easilly
overcome rx noise. My loops are 20/30db down on  the vert, but  they still
overide
the internal noise, I don't know wether more headroom would be an advantage,
but
at the moment the only disadvantage is that I can't use the "S " meter for
reports.
Seems like all manufacturers are attenuating above 500, presumably to
prevent big
BC signals from overloading the front end.
73 Laurie.

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Hi All,<br>
I have this problem on my IC781, gain reduces by about 20 db at 500kHz.<br>
This does&#39;nt matter when I am using the big transmit antenna, signals easilly<br>
overcome rx noise. My loops are 20/30db down on&nbsp; the vert, but&nbsp; they still overide<br>
the internal noise, I don&#39;t know wether more headroom would be an advantage, but <br>
at the moment the only disadvantage is that I can&#39;t use the &quot;S &quot; meter for reports.<br>
Seems like all manufacturers are attenuating above 500, presumably to prevent big<br>
BC signals from overloading the front end.<br>
73 Laurie.<br>

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hallo Holger.

cpy at 0655utc in audioquality the beaconsignal, congrats.
RX: TS680S without any selection
Ant: 80m Loop

73 Edgar
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>hallo Holger.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>cpy at 0655utc&nbsp;in audioquality the =

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Attached capture of DI2BO at 21:45 this evening in IO90nt
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Attached capture of DI2BO at 21:45 this evening in IO90nt<br>
73&nbsp; Laurie.<br>

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This final capture is an "X" from RX9BS recieved 1st April at 1700z, 
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Bob and All,

Bob, This shows the final Z at loss of propagation.  It is a ghost, but can 
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Jean-Pierre,

As always, thanks for the screen shots. I noted some copy on DF6NM's 
screen around 0200, and Steve Dove's plots of DCF39 were excellent. TA 
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Last night good copy of :

WD2XES 01:50 > 06:00 (good)
WD2XNS 23:45 > 00:45 (traces) 00:45 > 05:40(good)

Jay and John ,
Thank you very much to have made go your beacons,
that pleases enormously to me!

the files of night are filed each day at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht




























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Also running an SDR IQ and so far, stable, sensitive and pretty good at 
dealing with -10dBm 600Khz signals when looking at 500Khz,...it also warns 
when youve got the IF gain too high...

Much easier bringing in and out of countries too....

Laurence
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>riese-k3djc@juno.com wrote:
>>Hi Marco
>>
>>I have one of the SDR IQ and I find that it has stellar performance on
>>all frequencies
>>I no longer have a quiet enough QTH to do a lot below 500 Khz but a
>>friend has one and
>>it works as good as his other rcv system. I find it works well at 505 to
>>510 the USA band
>>the software that I like is WINRAD but the spectran that comes with the
>>radio is good too
>>as it allows you to record up to 190 Khz of the spectrum you are tuning
>>
>>Bob K3DJC
>>
>
>  I can confirm that the SDR-IQ is a very good receiver on LF. I had 
>already tried in the past to post a few screen captures, but each time I 
>passed the size limits of this reflector... so I have prepared a very 
>simple Web page where those captures can be seen. Go to :
>http://sundry.i2phd.com/sdriq_on_LF.htm
>
>73  Alberto  I2PHD
>
>

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riese-k3djc@juno.com wrote:
> Hi Marco
> 
> I have one of the SDR IQ and I find that it has stellar performance on
> all frequencies
> I no longer have a quiet enough QTH to do a lot below 500 Khz but a
> friend has one and
> it works as good as his other rcv system. I find it works well at 505 to
> 510 the USA band
> the software that I like is WINRAD but the spectran that comes with the
> radio is good too
> as it allows you to record up to 190 Khz of the spectrum you are tuning
> 
> Bob K3DJC
> 

  I can confirm that the SDR-IQ is a very good receiver on LF. I had already tried in the past to post a few screen 
captures, but each time I passed the size limits of this reflector... so I have prepared a very simple Web page where 
those captures can be seen. Go to :
http://sundry.i2phd.com/sdriq_on_LF.htm

73  Alberto  I2PHD



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In a message dated 26/04/2007 02:43:32 GMT Daylight Time, dd7pc@gmx.de  
writes:

To  all,
I like to get a better receiver and have interest to buy a WINRADIO  (SDR) 
receiver. Has anyone experience about the RX Sensitivity of this  receiver on 
500 and 137KHz?



--------------------
Hi Marco
 
I've used the Winradio 313i as far down as 17 KHz, using a miniwhip to  
listen to SAQ, as well as for MSF on 60 KHz and it works well.
General LF performance with a Wellbrook loop is also excellent.
 
Claimed range for the 313 is down to 9 KHz, and CW sensitivity  is specified 
as -122dBm (0.18uV) between 150 and 500 KHz with a comment  that the 
sensitivity gradually drops below 150KHz, figure quoted at 100 KHz is  -113dBm.
 
Although sensitivity is falling off there's no deliberate attenuation  across 
Medium Wave that you often find with HF receivers.
 
If you're looking for serious LF you will not want to consider any of the  
earlier Winradio wideband products, only the later G3xx series, and I would  
personally recommend the 313 only.
The 303 with professional demodulator is the next best option but still not  
as good and the software feels clunky in comparison.
The 3xx series wideband products, 305 and 315, whilst much better at HF and  
below, on paper at least, than earlier wideband offerings, still don't quite  
match the 303 and 313 respectively so would avoid those too unless wideband  
is a must.
  
Unlike some fully SDR receivers, using open source software, with  Winradio 
you're really going to be stuck with just the Winradio control  software but 
should be able to feed Spectran etc, although I haven't tried  that.
Bob mentioned earlier being able to record up to 192 KHz bandwidth with his  
SDR and that's something else the Winradio can't do.
It can record but has a conventional hardware front end with a 20KHz  roofing 
filter at the first IF so recordings are limited to 20 KHz.
Personally, I see this as an advantage rather than disadvantage.
Much as I'm a great fan of SDR and the softrock kits in particular, I don't  
think any of the more "purist" reasonable cost SDRs are capable of matching 
the  313 on overall LF/HF performance. I'm sure the day will come, but not yet.
For relatively narrow coverage though the softrocks do take some  beating.
 
Depending upon your needs, sensitivity may not be your only limiting  factor.
The WR313, coupled with its spectrum display, is great for spotting weak  
signals just above the noise floor, the DSP filtering is very good, and  there's 
a range of further software options available.
Some online reviews complaining about minimum filter  bandwidths are out of 
date, in that later software revisions improved  things considerably, but I 
have found, on MSF signals for example, that I  could pull information out of the 
sidebands with a Cushman SLM fitted  with a 75 Hz crystal filter that the WR 
couldn't find.
Not that anything else I had could find it either:-)
 
You might want to join the Winradio 3 series group on Yahoo,  
WiNRADiO_G3_Series, and also ask your question there.
You'll find a copy of the WR313 user manual in their archives  with the full 
spec in it, or I could email you copy, it's around  1.2Mb.
 
I'm a great enthusiast of the WR313, it performs well at HF and LF and  I 
consider the live spectrum display and filtering etc to be excellent, but  I'm 
always wary about recommending any radio for a particular purpose without  
suggesting too that, if at all possible, you try it before you buy  it!!
I think this applies even more to PC controlled radios, which some of  us 
love....and others hate:-)
 
regards
 
Nigel
GM8PZR
 
 
 



   

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Hi Marco

I have one of the SDR IQ and I find that it has stellar performance on
all frequencies
I no longer have a quiet enough QTH to do a lot below 500 Khz but a
friend has one and
it works as good as his other rcv system. I find it works well at 505 to
510 the USA band
the software that I like is WINRAD but the spectran that comes with the
radio is good too
as it allows you to record up to 190 Khz of the spectrum you are tuning

Bob K3DJC

 
On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 03:42:57 +0200 dd7pc@gmx.de writes:
> To all,
> I like to get a better receiver and have interest to buy a WINRADIO 
> (SDR) receiver. Has anyone experience about the RX Sensitivity of 
> this receiver on 500 and 137KHz?
>  
> many thanks
> vy73
> Marco
> DD7PC
> 
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To all,
I like to get a better receiver and have interest to buy a WINRADIO (SDR) receiver. Has anyone experience about the RX Sensitivity of this receiver on 500 and 137KHz?
 
many thanks
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GA, Dave!
Thanks for your information. Sorry, it will be fine; so may be in the
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73, Lubos,OK2BVG

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dave Sergeant
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On 13 Apr 2007 at 6:15, Lubom=EDr Bobal=EDk wrote:

> I have a question for all: Are they some beacons on 500KHz in UK in
> permanent operations? I don=B4t know it.

No, as far as I know, there are no 500kHz beacons at the moment in=20
the UK.

73 Dave G3YMC

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GE Walter!
Signal from DI2AG is burning  white line to my monitor, as you can see.
I captured signals DI2AG (599) together with SM6BHZ (579).
 
73, Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS
 
****************************************************************
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Walter Staubach
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 9:07 PM
To: RSGB LF
Subject: LF: DI2AG
 
Dear friends,
           I have just started DI2AG with 2W ERP ( instead of 0,4W ERP )
in QRSS3 on 505,090kHz. Identification "DI2AG JN59NO" in regular CW,
followed by the same words in QRSS3. Reports are welcome.
73   Walter   DI2AG / DJ2LF
 

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can see. I
captured signals DI2AG (599) together with SM6BHZ =
(579).<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <b><span
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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Saturday, April 14, =
2007
9:07 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> RSGB LF<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: =
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I have just started DI2AG with 2W ERP ( instead of 0,4W ERP ) in QRSS3 =
on
505,090kHz. Identification &quot;DI2AG JN59NO&quot; in regular CW, =
followed by
the same words in QRSS3. Reports are =
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Dear friends,
               tonight I will transmit di2ag in psk31 with 0.2W ERP.
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Ian

Just heard your test call/CQ on 500.2kHz at18-50 UTC Good signal at 579 =
in Crawley Sussex  IO91VC.

Richard G4BBH visited my QTH earlier today and told me that you were =
about to beome QRV on 500kHz.
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Good Hunting!

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I've had one of the above field-strength meters for a while and could do
with sight of an manual / circuit diagram.  Done a search on the web, but
with no luck.  Can anyone offer any assitance with info on this instrument
as it would be useful for 136 and 500kHz.

73 John, G3WKL




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nice copy of na and wpf
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Hi All,

Just for interest, note the very deep QSB on Mal - G3KEV & none on Finbar - 
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On 8 Apr 2007 at 20:28, lawrence mayhead wrote:

> Hi All
> Just worked new station on 502 kHz
> G3ROO, name Ian, in Dover.
> Good signal here in Chichester.
> Look out for him please.
> 73 Laurie.
> 

I also heard Ian earlier testing. Must get my antenna resonated, he 
was fairly weak in Bracknell... not sure if he is on this reflector 
at the moment, I have had emails with via the gqrp reflector.

73 Dave G3YMC

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lawrence mayhead wrote:
> Hi All
> Just worked new station on 502 kHz
> G3ROO, name Ian, in Dover.
> Good signal here in Chichester.
> Look out for him please.
> 73 Laurie.

Laurie
Ian was tuning up around 15:30z near 502.3 and very loud here,
with 579, i guess he's not on this list yet.

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Hi All
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Hi John,
 
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Colin,

 >I have been relieved household duties until the thrill of the
> new band wears off - she is not for sale.......

Will there be an export model? No CE Mark needed!

John Andrews, W1TAG



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Hi All,
 
Thanks to Bob, John, Dave and Mike for your offers of crystals. It looks  
like Mike will sort me out. Please feel free to ask me for any wants.
 
My wife was impressed with the way you all helped out. She is very keen on  
this '5 ton' lark. Her brother was RO on the 'Atlantic Conveyor' and many other 
 ships. She understands about long wires, LF, ladder line and crystals. I  
have been relieved household duties until the thrill of the new band wears off - 
 she is not for sale.......
 
Thanks again all
 
72
 
Colin G3VTT
(plenty of stormy QRN here tonioght and nothing on 500 at  2145z)



   

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Hello Henny,

Thank-you for the report and capture.  Your RX is working well
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On Sat, 7 Apr 2007, henny van elst wrote:

> nice copy of vo1na
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> antenne sloper 7meter,reciever rohde&schwarz ek891.
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nice copy of vo1na

antenne sloper 7meter,reciever rohde&schwarz ek891.
73,henny pa3cpm jo22mb..

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>From G3JFS 
 
Hullo All,
 
In my application for an NOV I indicated that erp would be assessed using  
the table published by Alan G3NYK and measuring the aerial current. I have  
received the following request from OFCOM:
 
 
"Thank you for your recent  application for a Special Research Permit to 
operate in the bands 501 -504kHz.  Your application is currently being processed 
pending  authorisation. 
Whilst this is in  motion I would just like to request  further information.  
i)                    Could you please  provide a statement on how you 
propose to control your transmissions to within  the maximum limit of <-10dBW 
ii)                   Also please provide a  plan view of the aerial system 
along with complete details of wire lengths and  heights. Also giving 
relationships to boundary fences, neighbouring buildings  etc 
I appreciate that this  was not an explicit requirement in the original 
application however we do still  need this information." 
The site plan is no  problem, just a hassle, though the RSGB guidelines 
indicated it was not  necessary because of the distance between my aerial and  
boundaries/neighbours. 
To avoid more delay  any suggestions as to how best to respond?  Also as a 
matter of interest  what sort of figures are current users getting in the way of 
efficiency,  aerial current and transmitter power output to achieve 100mW 
erp?  I shall  be using a 120 ft end fed wire, 30 ft high on a steeply sloping 
site surrounded  on three sides by very tall trees over very poor (RF) ground. 
73 Peter  G3JFS



   

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Hi all.
 
If anyone is having sensitivity issues with their receiver, then it is  
possible to convert the G3YXM / G0MRF pre-amp from 136kHz to 503kHz.
 
This is not an 'ideal' solution as the inductors used for 136k  are quite 
large.  However, a little testing earlier today has shown  this works.
 
Circuit: _www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/preamp.htm_ 
(http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/preamp.htm) 
 
You will need   2 x 470pF and 1 x 47pF
 
Remove C1 to C7     keeping the 2 x 4n7 
 
Replace / add the capacitors as follows:
 
C1 + C7       4n7    - As  removed from the 136kHz pre-amp
C3 C6          Not  needed
C2 + C5      470pF
C4               47pF
 
The pre-amp can be peaked to give 11dB gain at 502 kHz with a bandwidth of  
about 25kHz.
The response is slightly over coupled in that it has signs of a double hump  
response but the overall performance is quite good. it certainly cuts out all  
the intermod from the big medium wave transmission on 558kHz that caused  
problems here and compensates for  the attenuators in the radio.
 
73
 
David  G0MRF
 
         



   

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<DIV>Hi all.</DIV>
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<DIV>If anyone is having sensitivity issues with their receiver, then it is=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>You will need&nbsp;&nbsp; 2 x 470pF and 1 x 47pF</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Remove C1 to C7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; keeping the 2 x 4n7 </DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Replace / add the capacitors as follows:</DIV>
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<DIV>C1 + C7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4n7&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - As=20
removed from the 136kHz pre-amp</DIV>
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47pF</DIV>
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Dear Walter,
No I do not have the QSL, so would be pleased to recieve one.
Please send to:-
L.Mayhead
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Bosham Hoe
Chichester
W.Sussex
PO18 8EU

73 Laurie.

On 16/04/07, Walter Staubach <walter.staubach@fen-net.de> wrote:
>
>  Dear Laurie,
>           many thanks for the interesting capture with Gus and the report=
.
> Do you have the special QSL from DI2AG? If not, please give me your addre=
ss,
> I will send one immediately.
> 73   Walter  DI2AG / DJ2LF
>
>
> *-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----*
> *Von: *lawrence mayhead <laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com>
> *An: *rsgb <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> *Datum: *Samstag, 14. April 2007 23:07
> *Betreff: *LF: 500kHz capture
>
> BHZ and AG both audible here !
> BHZ blocking AG .
> see capture
> 73 Laurie.
>
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Dear Walter,<br>
No I do not have the QSL, so would be pleased to recieve one.<br>
Please send to:- <br>
L.Mayhead<br>
Roanoke<br>
Bosham Hoe<br>
Chichester<br>
W.Sussex<br>
PO18 8EU<br>
<br>
73 Laurie.<br><br><div><span class=3D"gmail_quote">On 16/04/07, <b class=3D=
"gmail_sendername">Walter Staubach</b> &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:walter.staubac=
h@fen-net.de">walter.staubach@fen-net.de</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote c=
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rgin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">




<div bgcolor=3D"#ffffff">
<div><font size=3D"2">Dear Laurie,</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
; many=20
thanks for the interesting capture with Gus and the report. Do you have the=
=20
special QSL from DI2AG? If not, please give me your address, I will send on=
e=20
immediately.</font></div>
<div><font size=3D"2">73&nbsp;&nbsp; Walter&nbsp; DI2AG / DJ2LF</font></div=
>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-left: 5px=
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  <div><font face=3D"Arial" size=3D"2"><b>-----Urspr=FCngliche=20
  Nachricht-----</b><br><b>Von: </b>lawrence mayhead &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com" target=3D"_blank" onclick=3D"return top.js.O=
penExtLink(window,event,this)">laurie.mayhead@googlemail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>=
An:=20
  </b>rsgb &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" target=3D"_b=
lank" onclick=3D"return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">rsgb_lf_grou=
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  </b>Samstag, 14. April 2007 23:07<br><b>Betreff: </b>LF: 500kHz=20
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g AG=20
  .<br>see capture<br>73 Laurie.<br><br></blockquote></div>
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Dear Laurie,
          many thanks for the interesting capture with Gus and the =
report. Do you have the special QSL from DI2AG? If not, please give me =
your address, I will send one immediately.
73   Walter  DI2AG / DJ2LF

  -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
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  Datum: Samstag, 14. April 2007 23:07
  Betreff: LF: 500kHz capture


  BHZ and AG both audible here !
  BHZ blocking AG .
  see capture
  73 Laurie.


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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dear Laurie,</FONT></DIV>
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On 22 Apr 2007 at 10:28, G3vtt@aol.com wrote:

> 'afternoon,
> 
> Am on 501.5 with a freshly 'rubbed up' crystal, 10X from 500Khz. Got 
> through 3 sheets of P600 and am covered in quartz dust, suffering from
> 'jelly  finger' and misty eyed through staring at the frequency
> counter.
> 
> Usual 5 watts and the little tee, anyone about?
> 
> 72
> 
> Colin G3VTT
> 

Sounds like a lot of hard work to me....

My twin VXO didn't get me covered with quartz dust (bit difficult 
with HC25U crystals...). The only thing which took a little time was 
picking the right inductor to pull the 5.9MHz one down to 5.899 to 
allow me to get full coverage (and more) by pulling the 6.4MHz one up 
with a 50pF variable.

See your email has had results and I now here G3YXM on that frequency 
working you... both nice signals, 599 on the meter Colin.

73 Dave G3YMC

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'afternoon,
 
Am on 501.5 with a freshly 'rubbed up' crystal, 10X from 500Khz. Got  through 
3 sheets of P600 and am covered in quartz dust, suffering from 'jelly  
finger' and misty eyed through staring at the frequency counter.
 
Usual 5 watts and the little tee, anyone about?
 
72
 
Colin G3VTT



   

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Hello Henny,

the signal you received seems to be DI2AG, his QTH-locator is JN50NO.

DI2BO is currently transmitting 24 hours a day with very low ERP (I =
assume in the 10 mW-range) on 505.015 kHz but despite the low power it =
was received already by Victor, PA3FNY at a distance of 314 km.

Best 73 and hope it works in the next few day!

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO

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  nice signal di2bo  time 21:30 utc

  henny pa3cpm

  jo22mb  ant racal actif 60cm rec:r&schwarz     ek891                   =
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  73
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the signal you received seems to be =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DI2BO is currently transmitting 24 =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>nice signal di2bo&nbsp; time 21:30=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>henny pa3cpm</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jo22mb&nbsp; ant racal actif 60cm=20
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Hi Vernon,

Nice looking captures from last night.  How are you coupling
your long wires (I envy that 2000 footer) to the receiver?
It's great to see another VE station.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle





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BHZ and AG both audible here !
BHZ blocking AG .
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73 Laurie.

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BHZ and AG both audible here !<br>
BHZ blocking AG .<br>
see capture<br>
73 Laurie.<br>
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Dear Gary,
        many thanks for the screenshots and reports. That is quite good t=
o
see the own signal compared with Gus.
73   Walter  DI2AG / DJ2LF

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>Hi Walter,
>
>Full call sign captured at 2033z.
>
>73
>
>Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp



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Just to report that when I came back into the shack at 2100z DI2BO 
was clearly audible to my ears, peaking 439 here in Bracknell IO91PJ. 
I was rather amused to clearly hear it send its CW id 'DI2AG' !! 
GI4DPE was also heard beaconing in normal CW around 501.15.

This maybe highlights the problem with QRSS on 500kHz. I have already 
noted slow and very deep QSB on many signals. While I was watching 
DI2BO on Argo last night I found that it would pop above my noise 
level for only 1 out of 3 or 4 callsign sequences and between that 
there was little more than the odd dot visible. When it appeared most 
but never all of a complete call was visible and it clearly peaked 
quite strong for just a few characters. If I had not known what the 
call was I would have had to listen a long time to postively identify 
it. However when it sent its ID on normal CW when listening without 
Argo later that was copyable in its entirety (admittedly wrong!).

73 Dave G3YMC



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Hello Dave ,

the signal is at 505.015 KHz

73,
Victor

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Dave Sergeant
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On 13 Apr 2007 at 20:31, Victor van Kooten wrote:

> DI2BO already visible 18:30 UTC
> 
> 73
> Victor

And here is a copy from IO91PJ, Berkshire at 1910z!

Can you please confirm the frequency, there seems to be confusion 
whether it is 505.015 or 505.025. I only have 10Hz steps in the K2 so 
not that easy to get spot on.

73 Dave G3YMC

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On 13 Apr 2007 at 20:31, Victor van Kooten wrote:

> DI2BO already visible 18:30 UTC
> 
> 73
> Victor

And here is a copy from IO91PJ, Berkshire at 1910z!

Can you please confirm the frequency, there seems to be confusion 
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On 13 Apr 2007 at 6:15, Lubom=EDr Bobal=EDk wrote:

> I have a question for all: Are they some beacons on 500KHz in UK in
> permanent operations? I don=B4t know it.

No, as far as I know, there are no 500kHz beacons at the moment in 
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GM Walter and Geri!
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On the attached snapshot (070413 /  03:30UT) are signals of both beacons
together. You can see their different fading.
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I have a question for all: Are they some beacons on 500KHz in UK in
permanent operations? I don=B4t know it.
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Thank you, Edgar, that is good news. It shows, that on 500 kHz an =
operation is possible even with a very limited setup and limited space.

Best 73 and a Happy Easter!

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO



  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  hallo Holger.

  cpy at 0655utc in audioquality the beaconsignal, congrats.
  RX: TS680S without any selection
  Ant: 80m Loop

  73 Edgar
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Dear Walter, Lubos and LF,

I'd be happy to beacon overnight, QRSS 3 or slower, provided it didn't QRM
anybody else. My two spot frequencies are 501.670 and 503.330. My ERP is
between 25 and 50 mW (The UK limit is 100 mW)

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alan Melia
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Hi Walter and Lubos, with the number of permits granted (I know of at least
15 active calls at present) continuous beaconing is not likely to be popular
in the UK. Overnight runs are more likely, by request, and I am sure there
are stations that will oblige.I am sure you can use the reflector to set up
a few test nights.

73 de Alan G3NYK


----- Original Message -----
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Dear Lubos,
         good idea with both beacons and the different fading. About
UK-beacons - I saw G3KEV for several times in the evening on 502,5.  We
should ask all the UK-amateurs with 500KHz-permit for beacon-transmissions
and to publish their frequencies on this reflector.
Proposal: Saturday to Sunday, starting 20:00Z. Hw?
73     Walter    DJ2LF / DI2AG

  -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
  Von: Lubom�r Bobal�k <lubomir.bobalik@rtv5.cz>
  An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
  Datum: Freitag, 13. April 2007 06:13
  Betreff: LF: DI2AG_DI2BO_together


  GM Walter and Geri!



  On the attached snapshot (070413 /  03:30UT) are signals of both beacons
together. You can see their different fading.



  I have a question for all: Are they some beacons on 500KHz in UK in
permanent operations? I don�t know it.

  Thanks



  Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS











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Dear Lubomir,
         many thanks for the screenshot from the DI2AG beacon. Fine pictu=
re.
I would like to send you the QSL directly, pse give me your address.
73    Walter    DI2AG / DJ2LF


-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Lubom=EDr Bobal=EDk <lubomir.bobalik@rtv5.cz>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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Hallo Geri!
Thanks for informations about DI2AG. I saw its signal last night, but I
didn=B4t capture it, sorry. But I saw DI2AG at night 20070407, so I attac=
h
this sbapshot.

73, OK2BVG, JN88KS
******************************

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Holger 'Geri',
DK8KW
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:29 PM
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Subject: LF: [500] DI2BO back on the air on 505.015 kHz

Good morning, folks,

finally the license document for DI2BO with the added frequency range
(505.1
plus/minus 100 Hz, additionally to 440.0 kHz plus/minus 100 Hz) arrived.

After a storm earlier this year had torn down my 18m umbrella I have now
set
up a simple L-shaped wire antenna: 6 m vertically up to a mast from the
window of my shack and then 8 m horizontally to the top of the roof of
my
house. Output power at the moment is 10 watts, still using the DEBEG
7121
marine tranmitter. ERP has not yet been determined, I guess it is not
more
than a few mW so reception might be a challenge.

Currently DI2BO transmits on 505.015 kHz in QRSS3 with 6 wpm CW ID.
Reception reports are welcome.

Best 73

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO




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Hallo Geri!
Thanks for informations about DI2AG. I saw its signal last night, but I
didn=B4t capture it, sorry. But I saw DI2AG at night 20070407, so I =
attach
this sbapshot.

73, OK2BVG, JN88KS
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Holger 'Geri',
DK8KW
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:29 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: [500] DI2BO back on the air on 505.015 kHz

Good morning, folks,

finally the license document for DI2BO with the added frequency range
(505.1
plus/minus 100 Hz, additionally to 440.0 kHz plus/minus 100 Hz) arrived.

After a storm earlier this year had torn down my 18m umbrella I have now
set
up a simple L-shaped wire antenna: 6 m vertically up to a mast from the
window of my shack and then 8 m horizontally to the top of the roof of
my
house. Output power at the moment is 10 watts, still using the DEBEG
7121
marine tranmitter. ERP has not yet been determined, I guess it is not
more
than a few mW so reception might be a challenge.

Currently DI2BO transmits on 505.015 kHz in QRSS3 with 6 wpm CW ID.
Reception reports are welcome.

Best 73

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO


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GM Walter and Geri!
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On the attached snapshot (070413 /  03:30UT) are signals of both beacons
together. You can see their different fading.
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I have a question for all: Are they some beacons on 500KHz in UK in
permanent operations? I don=B4t know it.
Thanks
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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font-family:Arial'>GM Walter and Geri!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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font-family:Arial'>On the attached snapshot (070413 /<span
style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0 </span>03:30UT) are signals of both =
beacons
together. You can see their different =
fading.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I have a question for all: Are they some beacons on =
500KHz
in UK in permanent operations? I don=B4t know =
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Last night i copy :

WD2XNS 00:35 > 00:50 ( just a test )

the files of night are filed each day at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht




























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The noize gods were against me over the weekend - nothing seen though I was 
running the system remotely as I wandered/blown in a snow storm over the 
Great Wall up in Beijing.

Loaded and powered up the SDR-IQ for the first time last night (it arrived 
safely), but LF conditions were poor with Budapest at some 30dB down from 
even average conditions and DCF39 just viz at dot 60.

When I compare Argo's using the R75 on AC and the SDR I definately have less 
visual QRM on the SDR from what must be common mode noize from somewhere, 
and that is with extensive mitigation - so first impressions are good in 
that score - no images/phantoms unless you select a high Noise blanking 
setting, and thats only aurally. Now to read the manual....

Laurence KL1 X in BY 4
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Jean-Pierre, Hartmut, Jim,

Thanks to all of you for the reports. TA signal levels were quite good 
last night according to Steve Dove's DCF39 plot. As the static levels 
were also up, it's nice to know that WOLF can get through.

Jim: I assume that you find the DL4YHF version much easier to use than 
the original. QSO's are quite straightforward once you get used to 
working in time blocks. The amount of information you can successfully 
receive is much greater than with slow QRSS.

Again, thanks to all. I may have to skip tonight due to local weather.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES



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Very strong signal during local dawn 03:30-04:18:

t:  48 f:-0.059 a: 0.0 dp:131.9 ci:15 cj:  1 /RAWWGV9X4PDE2X ?
t:  96 f: 0.086 a:-0.2 dp:130.3 ci:14 cj:  1 0I9L0JMM.XK22RM ?
t: 192 f: 0.081 a:-0.4 dp:128.3 ci: 7 cj:110 ED2WKM/2HKXY6SA ?
t: 384 f:-0.054 pm: 9496 jm:753 q: -5.8 -5.2 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t: 576 f:-0.054 pm:14529 jm:753 q: -3.1 -3.0 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t: 768 f:-0.054 pm:33477 jm:753 q: -0.5 -0.1 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t: 960 f:-0.054 pm:61426 jm:753 q:  1.6  1.9 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t:1152 f:-0.054 pm:79323 jm:753 q:  2.5  3.0 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t:1344 f:-0.054 pm:104479 jm:753 q:  3.9  4.0 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t:1536 f:-0.054 pm:132143 jm:753 q:  4.8  5.1 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t:1728 f:-0.054 pm:151952 jm:753 q:  5.6  5.4 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t:1920 f:-0.054 pm:166667 jm:753 q:  6.2  5.9 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t:2112 f:-0.054 pm:180029 jm:753 q:  6.2  6.5 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t:2304 f:-0.054 pm:198049 jm:753 q:  6.7  7.0 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t:2496 f:-0.054 pm:206602 jm:753 q:  7.0  7.3 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t:2688 f:-0.054 pm:210005 jm:753 q:  7.1  7.2 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t:2880 f:-0.054 pm:211165 jm:753 q:  7.2  7.3 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -

73
Hartmut
www.h-wolff.de
Locator: JO52hp



> WD2XES will transmit in WOLF (5 b/s) mode tonight on 137.577 kHz, 
> starting around 2330 UTC. Experience has shown that with this level of 
> error correction, messages tend to decode in the same amount of time 
> using data rates of 5 - 20 b/s. There's still an open question of 
> whether you pick up any static-crash noise immunity with the slower rate.
> 
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
> 
> 



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Hello John and all ,

Very good copy of your beacon in "Wolf 5"! many stormy last night .
Off logger for 2 day , return : 2007/04/30.

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

John Andrews a =E9crit :
> WD2XES will transmit in WOLF (5 b/s) mode tonight on 137.577 kHz,=20
> starting around 2330 UTC. Experience has shown that with this level of=20
> error correction, messages tend to decode in the same amount of time=20
> using data rates of 5 - 20 b/s. There's still an open question of=20
> whether you pick up any static-crash noise immunity with the slower rat=
e.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
>
>
>
>

--=20
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2007-04-26 21:08:20 >WOLF5  -r 44097.89 -f 9577 -t 1.0 -d 16 -w 0.0000
t:  48 f: 0.797 a: 1.2 dp: 79.4 ci: 5 cj:222 UGUMQ8TZ96AF8IO ?
t:  96 f:-0.536 a:-1.2 dp: 85.7 ci: 7 cj:249 0IW4XC WX*XRR*3 ?
t: 192 f:-0.755 a: 0.5 dp: 81.1 ci: 8 cj:395 K3XXRC7N0GPOU1U ?
t: 384 f: 0.801 pm:1.779 jm:557 q:-16.6 -9.7 BF03RRELYT.C1RZ ?
t: 576 f: 0.913 pm:2.463 jm:381 q:-15.1 -6.9 KIXZGA0I4Y0KJID -
t: 768 f: 0.913 pm:2.853 jm:381 q:-13.6 -9.6 *XVC4.U0*17FRR. ?
t: 960 f: 0.508 pm:7.539 jm:952 q:-14.0 -9.1 ETO9G.Q.R2MUZ0Q ?
t:1152 f: 0.508 pm:7.605 jm:952 q:-13.2 -7.4 YMM18L61.Z/U*J  ?
t:1344 f: 0.508 pm:7.651 jm:952 q:-12.6 -7.5 GKQR.O54W J2*Z  ?
t:1536 f:-0.615 pm:9.454 jm:748 q:-12.8-10.7 9F*JPKXJH.J1IQG ?
t:1728 f:-0.615 pm:9.688 jm:748 q:-12.7 -9.1 7/7HX8BPVL090E. ?
t:1920 f: 0.835 pm:10.13 jm: 60 q:-12.7 -9.5 *H*F3QVJDRN*Z.A ?
t:2112 f: 0.508 pm:10.64 jm: 65 q:-11.5 -9.1 P0I3ERLXCDLJ2.E ?
t:2304 f: 0.508 pm:10.66 jm: 65 q:-11.0 -8.7  EQKQQOJVI 6YUU ?
t:2496 f:-0.615 pm:11.18 jm:748 q:-10.7 -9.4 S9BK8END1LLUZ6U ?
t:2688 f:-0.615 pm:11.49 jm:748 q:-10.4 -9.4 S9BK8END1LLUZ6U ?
t:2880 f:-0.615 pm:11.50 jm:748 q:-10.1 -8.5 EP543EHNRNZ0TY9 ?
t:3072 f:-0.254 pm:12.01 jm:782 q: -9.8 -8.2 HL380DNVEDY2KSV ?
t:3264 f:-0.244 pm:12.36 jm:768 q: -9.1 -9.7 BFNX4N1A87N0P0T ?
2007-04-26 22:02:53 >WOLF5  -r 44097.89 -f 9577 -t 1.0 -d 16 -w 0.0000
t:  48 f: 0.883 a: 0.6 dp: 77.7 ci:15 cj: 55 LAFRPJMTYO8YT1* ?
t:  96 f: 0.883 a: 0.6 dp: 73.4 ci:15 cj: 55 3VRHOPARAD00V49 -
t: 192 f:-0.515 a:-1.0 dp: 70.2 ci: 9 cj:306 X3I*1163ZNY5XRP ?
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2007-04-26 22:57:23 >WOLF5  -r 44097.89 -f 9577 -t 1.0 -d 16 -w 0.0000
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2007-04-26 23:51:53 >WOLF5  -r 44097.89 -f 9577 -t 1.0 -d 16 -w 0.0000
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t:1536 f: 0.400 pm:6.906 jm:667 q:-10.5 -9.2 M YK2F2VL/T3FW9 ?
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t:1920 f: 0.400 pm:7.544 jm:667 q: -9.3-10.8 QAH3H.???B4H8NL ?
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t:2304 f:-0.059 pm:9.078 jm:801 q: -4.0 -8.5 NTAL*F4HFPFHAKC ?
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2007-04-27 00:46:23 >WOLF5  -r 44097.89 -f 9577 -t 1.0 -d 16 -w 0.0000
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t:1152 f:-0.059 pm:3.845 jm:771 q: -5.5 -8.6 V5HXES 5BIT/ J3 ?
t:1344 f:-0.059 pm:4.576 jm:771 q: -4.6-10.4 QMGBQU3D6G0ZF.H ?
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t:2112 f:-0.059 pm:6.931 jm:771 q: -4.3 -7.7 SKEXES 5BIT*WO0 ?
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t:3072 f: 0.776 pm:7.979 jm: 13 q: -8.2 -8.9 OX40K.FY3WSDIT2 ?
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2007-04-27 02:35:22 >WOLF5  -r 44097.89 -f 9577 -t 1.0 -d 16 -w 0.0000
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t:1152 f: 0.884 pm:1.911 jm:396 q: -9.2 -9.7 MQ7PYF.HF0GT0HC ?
t:1344 f: 0.884 pm:2.080 jm:396 q: -8.5 -9.0 ZEKURWDA..3TGPP ?
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t:1920 f:-0.215 pm:2.577 jm:882 q: -8.1 -8.7 GWW.ETG8H8N4WN2 ?
t:2112 f: 0.146 pm:2.953 jm:523 q: -6.8 -7.3 GG1JP72X5U6CY0  ?
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t:2688 f:-0.059 pm:4.531 jm:711 q: -4.0 -8.7 SWX1P1PQQCTY549 ?
t:2880 f:-0.059 pm:6.493 jm:711 q: -2.6 -6.8 GJ51P1PQPTF8S6K ?
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2007-04-27 03:29:52 >WOLF5  -r 44097.89 -f 9577 -t 1.0 -d 16 -w 0.0000
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t: 192 f:-0.796 a: 1.2 dp: 64.5 ci: 1 cj:202 FSNLO.DPP6K.O.I ?
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t: 576 f:-0.059 pm:2.787 jm:682 q: -8.4 -7.4 9WQ1BXGM6 8 JG2 ?
t: 768 f:-0.059 pm:4.015 jm:682 q: -6.1 -5.4 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
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t:1344 f:-0.059 pm:7.087 jm:682 q: -2.9 -2.4 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
t:1536 f:-0.059 pm:8.657 jm:682 q: -2.1 -1.2 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
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t:2496 f: 0.933 pm:23.73 jm:929 q: -9.6 -8.2 PT9S/3 HXAMLGH  ?
t:2688 f:-0.054 pm:29.55 jm:681 q: -3.7 -3.3 WD2XES 5BIT/SEC -
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t:3072 f: 0.605 pm:54.70 jm:740 q: -7.8 -8.8 H96G1K8QV8EFWD3 ?
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2007-04-27 04:24:22 >WOLF5  -r 44097.89 -f 9577 -t 1.0 -d 16 -w 0.0000
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t:2304 f: 0.654 pm:105.7 jm: 56 q: -7.7 -8.9 RB1V9WB*E93TQOA ?
t:2496 f: 0.654 pm:106.1 jm: 56 q: -7.7 -8.6 UZ4RCL70IX1K64  ?
t:2688 f: 0.654 pm:106.7 jm: 56 q: -7.3 -8.3 2QERO73O51G5 EJ ?
t:2880 f: 0.654 pm:107.6 jm: 56 q: -7.1 -8.5 8FR23. R8BTRIJG ?
t:3072 f: 0.654 pm:109.1 jm: 56 q: -6.9 -9.9 U3LN5FK1TAWJQD7 ?
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t: 960 f:-0.078 pm:15.20 jm:201 q:-14.1-11.3 635HJGN*OGFMMAA ?
t:1152 f:-0.078 pm:15.87 jm:201 q:-13.2-11.8 CFGKDPU9PTQVX3G ?
t:1344 f:-0.078 pm:16.24 jm:201 q:-12.7-13.9 S7J4CU BCVP4Q64 ?

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John ,
I will listen tonight on 137 577 in "Wolf 5 " and QRSS60 on the=20
transatlantic window. There is a strong stormy activity in this moment .
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

John Andrews a =E9crit :
> WD2XES will transmit in WOLF (5 b/s) mode tonight on 137.577 kHz,=20
> starting around 2330 UTC. Experience has shown that with this level of=20
> error correction, messages tend to decode in the same amount of time=20
> using data rates of 5 - 20 b/s. There's still an open question of=20
> whether you pick up any static-crash noise immunity with the slower rat=
e.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
>
>
>
>

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WD2XES will transmit in WOLF (5 b/s) mode tonight on 137.577 kHz, 
starting around 2330 UTC. Experience has shown that with this level of 
error correction, messages tend to decode in the same amount of time 
using data rates of 5 - 20 b/s. There's still an open question of 
whether you pick up any static-crash noise immunity with the slower rate.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES



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GM Walter!
I monitored DI2AG last evening from 18:00 to 21:00 UT and I didn=B4t see
signal from it.=20
But today morning, before sunrise, I have heared DI2AG very well, as you
can see on attached capture.
Report "OOO" or 579 (my QTH is 428km away from DI2AG).
=20
GL and nice day!
=20
Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS

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Hi Alan & Dave,

The UNID signal on 501.920 kHz went off at 1505z this afternoon & not seen 
since !!

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp



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Hi Dave,

I have noted tonight that the UNID signal may be the same strength at night 
as it is in the day, if that is the case it could be local to me, Alan 
(G3NYK) could not see anything. It was not there when I first started 
monitoring 500 kHz but it has been continuous for a few days now & it does 
not drift at all.

More checks on the way !!!

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

----- Original Message ----- 

 Soon after I posted I found the signal had drifted 100Hz lf and
 become weaker. I can no longer hear it now though there was something
 there yesterday. So it may in fact be local to me.

 73 Dave G3YMC



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Hi Dave,

Thanks for info. I am not hearing it strong enough to detect a warble, at 
least I can rule out local source.

I think I need to put my G3LNP loop back in service for receive but retuned 
for 500 kHz.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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 Copying it 57 here in Bracknell Gary IO91PJ. Seems to have some sort
 of warble on it but no obvious data.

 73 Dave G3YMC 



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On 2 Apr 2007 at 14:40, Gary - G4WGT wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I have been seeing a UNID signal (just audible) both day & night, I
> don't think it is local to me, the signal is continuous carrier at
> about 501.920 kHz. Does anyone else see it or know its ID. If not I
> will investigate for a local source.
> 
> 73
> 
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp 
> 
> 

Copying it 57 here in Bracknell Gary IO91PJ. Seems to have some sort 
of warble on it but no obvious data.

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com



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Hi All,

I have been seeing a UNID signal (just audible) both day & night, I don't 
think it is local to me, the signal is continuous carrier at about 501.920 
kHz. Does anyone else see it or know its ID. If not I will investigate for a 
local source.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp 



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Hi all,

It seems our report sent yesterday "bounced", maybe because of the three 
attachments of Argo traces.  We copied three DX beacons.  So a resending of 
the report for the first night, but no attachments.

Hi all,

Visiting town early afternoon, after a morning sleep, we note no reflector
reports of ZM2E.  At ZM2E we received many beacon IDs, for much of our
night.  QRN was moderate.  We had a beacon plan where ZM2E sent Z on quarter
hours, and other particpants sent their single letter beacon on the hour and
half hour.

Nothing seen of a V from VO1NA.  Several Js copied from VY1JA, starting from
0930z T copy, then M copy 1030z thru 1130z, then back ot T copy at 1200z.
Nil J from then on.  O copy of U from UA0AET at 1230z and 1300z, then nil at
1330z.  Then O copy of X from RX9BS 1430z.  Both 1500z and 1530z gave O copy
of U and T copy of X.  At 1600z we got O copy of U and nil of X, at 1630z O
copy of U and M copy of X.  1700z we got T copy of both U and X.  1730 M
copy of U.  We decided to go to beacon mode before ZL sunrise. Some sample
captures are attached. The captures include overload of ZM2E transmit
signal.(which is rather strong here ::-)

ZM2E often sent the ID of the station copied to indicate a path opening, so
from from 1045z we sent Js, and from 1245z sent Us.

ZM2E beaconed with Z at 137776.0/137776.2 at 1740z, then narrowed shift to
avoid RX9BS, ZM2E Z beacon 137776.05/137776.15 from 1750z to 1820z, when a
suspected PC lockup ended the session (ZL sunrise 1841z).  If we find
tonight that RX9BS is too close with dot frequency, then ZM2E will stay on
0.1 Hz shift and use 137776.0/137776.1.  ZM2E operators Bob ZL2CA, Mike
ZL4OL and David ZL4DP, all logging many awake hours.

We would appreciate it if Alan G3NYK could adjust the northern hemisphere
receiving part of his propagation requisition :-)

73, Bob ZL2CA and Mike ZL4OL.




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Dear Markus,
unfortunately, the situation is as poor as you wrote. Data from DCF39
disturb on ham LF band a lot. It is not easy to receive on 137.7kHz,
when on 138.83 is DCF39(-41dBu/from ant) and on 135.43 is TX from
Budapest(-21dBu/from ant). Bud then enormus problem is DCF39, nowadays.
I would like to believe, it will change for the better.
=20
73 and Happy Easter!
Lubos,OK2BVG,JN88KS
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=20
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Subject: LF: More QRM from DLF and DCF39
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Dear LF,

after signon of Rugby Loran and Budapest, interference to the 137 kHz
band in Central Europe has again become worse twice. This was apparently
caused by recent changes in the modulators of two large
broadcast/utility stations, DLF and DCF39.


DLF (Deutschlandfunk Donebach, now 250 kW on 153 kHz) has always been
prone to have a pair of spurs about 17 kHz from the main carrier, which
are FM-modulated across several kHz by the program content. They were
quite strong (up to -65 dBc) for some time in 2002/2003. Though the
origin of the spurs is still not understood, one on-site engineer found
a workaround to mitigate the problem, by placing a PCB in the 54 kHz
switch-mode modulator circuitry on an extender board and thus cooling a
certain CD4011 chip.

This year Feb 22, 9:20 the problem reappeared at somewhat lower level,
first intermittently but now permanent since Feb. 28. In an SSB receiver
tuned to 136 kHz, the lower spur is audible as a shuffling and hissing
sound, going on and off along with the modulation on 153 kHz - it
actually sounds very much like listening to a FM broadcast transmission
in SSB mode. In my colour-DF spectrograms, it shows up as a
blue-greenish haze, interrupted by irregular short pauses. The
screenshot http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/QRM/DLF_break_070317.png was
taken during a short transmitter outage on Mar 17, and really shows the
impact on the receive situation on a quiet day.

At 160 km range, the spurious noise is -12 dB =B5V/m/sqrt(Hz), some 6 dB
above my average daytime background. This corresponds to a sideband
power density of -72 dBc/kHz at the transmitter. There is also a weak
(-93 dBc) line, slowly drifting within about 10 Hz around 136.75 kHz.=20

I have contacted the Donebach staff and informed them about the
reappearance of problem. Unfortunately they said they can do nothing
about it at the moment. They have dismantled one of their two 250 kW
units, and are currently in the process of installing a new digital
transmitter, which is scheduled to transmit DRM and Simulcast
(AM-compatible DRM) formats after June 2007. This statement however did
raise even more concerns from Eike (DJ5AO) and myself, regarding
potentially drastically higher noise sidebands from digital
transmissions.


The other new problem is caused by DCF39 (Burg, 40 kW, 138.83 kHz idle
with FSK telegrams every 10 seconds). Normally at 310 km range, the FSK
sidebands were just barely visible below 137.8 kHz in daylight. Since
April 2nd, 08:55, the bursts seem to have increased amplitude and are
extending all the way down to 137.1 kHz! This is probably related to the
idle frequency change (normally 138830.03Hz, now 0.4 to 0.57 Hz high),
reported by several LF observers.=20

The transmitter switched back and forth between "narrow" and "wide"
modes a couple of times yesterday, and has been "wide" continuously
since April 4, 13:00 UT. For a comparison, please look at
http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/QRM/DCF39_sidebands_070404.png - even with
the rather inconspicuous violet rendering you can see the significant
effect on the QRSS slots around 137.7 and 137.78 kHz.

My unconfirmed assumption is that the modulation parameters of DCF39
have been changed towards even less pulse shaping. But an occupied
bandwidth of 3.8 kHz for a 200 bd FSK signal would seem rather
ridiculous! I would be keen to know whether others are also seeing the
annoying sidebands, and if anyone in the group has contact information
to the DCF transmitter operators on site.=20


73 and Happy Easter,
Markus, DF6NM

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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New" PTSIZE=3D10
FAMILY=3DSANSSERIF><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Dear =
Markus,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>unfortunately, the situation is as poor as you wrote. Data from =
DCF39
disturb on ham LF band a lot. It is not easy to receive on 137.7kHz, =
when on
138.83 is DCF39(-41dBu/from ant) and on 135.43 is TX from =
Budapest(-21dBu/from
ant). Bud then enormus problem is DCF39, nowadays. I would like to =
believe, it
will change for the better.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
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<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>73 and Happy Easter!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><font size=3D2 face=3D"Courier New"><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt'>Lubos,OK2BVG,JN88KS<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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**************************************************************<o:p></o:p>=
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of =
</span></b>MarkusVester@aol.com<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Thursday, April 05, =
2007
1:42 PM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: More QRM =
from DLF and
DCF39</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Dear LF,<br>
<br>
after signon of Rugby Loran and Budapest, interference to the 137 kHz =
band in
Central Europe has again become worse twice. This was apparently caused =
by
recent changes in the modulators of two large broadcast/utility =
stations, DLF
and DCF39.<br>
<br>
<br>
DLF (Deutschlandfunk Donebach, now 250 kW on 153 kHz) has always been =
prone to
have a pair of spurs about 17 kHz from the main carrier, which are =
FM-modulated
across several kHz by the program content. They were quite strong (up to =
-65
dBc) for some time in 2002/2003. Though the origin of the spurs is still =
not
understood, one on-site engineer found a workaround to mitigate the =
problem, by
placing a PCB in the 54 kHz switch-mode modulator circuitry on an =
extender
board and thus cooling a certain CD4011 chip.<br>
<br>
This year Feb 22, 9:20 the problem reappeared at somewhat lower level, =
first
intermittently but now permanent since Feb. 28. In an SSB receiver tuned =
to 136
kHz, the lower spur is audible as a shuffling and hissing sound, going =
on and
off along with the modulation on 153 kHz - it actually sounds very much =
like
listening to a FM broadcast transmission in SSB mode. In my colour-DF
spectrograms, it shows up as a blue-greenish haze, interrupted by =
irregular
short pauses. The screenshot <a
href=3D"http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/QRM/DLF_break_070317.png">http://me=
mbers.aol.com/df6nm2/QRM/DLF_break_070317.png</a>
was taken during a short transmitter outage on Mar 17, and really shows =
the
impact on the receive situation on a quiet day.<br>
<br>
At 160 km range, the spurious noise is -12 dB =B5V/m/sqrt(Hz), some 6 dB =
above my
average daytime background. This corresponds to a sideband power density =
of -72
dBc/kHz at the transmitter. There is also a weak (-93 dBc) line, slowly
drifting within about 10 Hz around 136.75 kHz. <br>
<br>
I have contacted the Donebach staff and informed them about the =
reappearance of
problem. Unfortunately they said they can do nothing about it at the =
moment.
They have dismantled one of their two 250 kW units, and are currently in =
the
process of installing a new digital transmitter, which is scheduled to =
transmit
DRM and Simulcast (AM-compatible DRM) formats after June 2007. This =
statement
however did raise even more concerns from Eike (DJ5AO) and myself, =
regarding
potentially drastically higher noise sidebands from digital =
transmissions.<br>
<br>
<br>
The other new problem is caused by DCF39 (Burg, 40 kW, 138.83 kHz idle =
with FSK
telegrams every 10 seconds). Normally at 310 km range, the FSK sidebands =
were
just barely visible below 137.8 kHz in daylight. Since April 2nd, 08:55, =
the
bursts seem to have increased amplitude and are extending all the way =
down to
137.1 kHz! This is probably related to the idle frequency change =
(normally
138830.03Hz, now 0.4 to 0.57 Hz high), reported by several LF observers. =
<br>
<br>
The transmitter switched back and forth between &quot;narrow&quot; and
&quot;wide&quot; modes a couple of times yesterday, and has been
&quot;wide&quot; continuously since April 4, 13:00 UT. For a comparison, =
please
look at <a =
href=3D"http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/QRM/DCF39_sidebands_070404.png">htt=
p://members.aol.com/df6nm2/QRM/DCF39_sidebands_070404.png</a>
- even with the rather inconspicuous violet rendering you can see the
significant effect on the QRSS slots around 137.7 and 137.78 kHz.<br>
<br>
My unconfirmed assumption is that the modulation parameters of DCF39 =
have been
changed towards even less pulse shaping. But an occupied bandwidth of =
3.8 kHz
for a 200 bd FSK signal would seem rather ridiculous! I would be keen to =
know
whether others are also seeing the annoying sidebands, and if anyone in =
the
group has contact information to the DCF transmitter operators on site. =
<br>
<br>
<br>
73 and Happy Easter,<br>
Markus, DF6NM</span></font><font face=3DArial><span =
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GE Geri!
No industrial QRM this evening, so gud time for hunting on 505.015kHz.
 
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Hi Dave your frequences OK with me.

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DI2AG captured here at 23:00 in IO90nt<br>
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Thanks to Hartmut and Nicolas for the signal reports
of te transmisions last night.  Hartmut copied the sigs
as soon as they started.  This was well before sunset here.

Will try again this evening at 2000 utc.

73
Joe



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Hello Joe and all.
Good copy last night from VO1NA.
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Ko Versteeg wrote:
> GA
> The signal 'TEST TESTING' on 502.400 is [ or was ] 579 here.
> 73 and a Happy Easter to all
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John,

Verry good copy of your signal in Wolf last night ,
file in attachment .

73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

John Andrews a =E9crit :
> WD2XES will run in WOLF (10 b/s) mode tonight on 137.577 kHz starting=20
> around 2330 UTC. Reports are welcome.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
>
>
>
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2007-04-24 23:41:47 >WOLF10  -r 44097.89 -f 9577 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
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t:3072 f:-0.059 pm:9.677 jm:791 q:  2.8 -0.6 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:3168 f:-0.059 pm:10.05 jm:791 q:  2.9 -0.4 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
2007-04-25 03:13:30 >WOLF10  -r 44097.89 -f 9577 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f: 0.887 a:-0.1 dp: 64.5 ci: 0 cj:  0 6AOGZ4LAUZZJIVE ?
t:  48 f: 0.894 a:-0.6 dp: 59.6 ci: 3 cj:368 *1G1GK8LBVC6JQY ?
t:  96 f:-0.630 a:-0.7 dp: 61.4 ci:10 cj:135 BDOLM9N0N8DGMD0 ?
t: 192 f: 0.586 pm:0.506 jm:114 q:-14.7 -6.1 ZBEXT2LY066F8G  -
t: 288 f:-0.059 pm:0.789 jm:715 q: -6.9 -8.3 H3 0FKH8 T8DGP1 ?
t: 384 f:-0.059 pm:1.373 jm:715 q: -5.7 -6.6 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t: 480 f:-0.059 pm:1.778 jm:715 q: -4.7 -5.1 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t: 576 f:-0.059 pm:2.294 jm:715 q: -4.6 -5.6 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t: 672 f:-0.059 pm:2.380 jm:715 q: -3.8 -5.6 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t: 768 f:-0.059 pm:2.473 jm:715 q: -3.3 -4.6 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t: 864 f:-0.059 pm:2.629 jm:715 q: -3.3 -4.1 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t: 960 f:-0.059 pm:2.653 jm:715 q: -3.5 -4.0 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1056 f:-0.059 pm:2.851 jm:715 q: -3.4 -4.4 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1152 f:-0.059 pm:3.068 jm:715 q: -3.0 -4.2 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1248 f:-0.059 pm:3.263 jm:715 q: -2.7 -4.1 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1344 f:-0.059 pm:3.300 jm:715 q: -2.6 -4.2 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1440 f:-0.059 pm:3.374 jm:715 q: -2.3 -3.9 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1536 f:-0.059 pm:3.408 jm:715 q: -2.1 -3.5 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1632 f:-0.059 pm:3.620 jm:715 q: -1.7 -3.1 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1728 f:-0.059 pm:3.740 jm:715 q: -1.4 -2.8 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1824 f:-0.059 pm:4.159 jm:715 q: -1.2 -2.7 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1920 f:-0.059 pm:4.228 jm:715 q: -1.1 -2.6 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2016 f:-0.059 pm:4.281 jm:715 q: -1.0 -2.8 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2112 f:-0.059 pm:4.336 jm:715 q: -0.8 -2.7 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2208 f:-0.059 pm:4.733 jm:715 q: -0.3 -2.2 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2304 f:-0.059 pm:5.401 jm:715 q:  0.3 -1.7 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2400 f:-0.059 pm:6.290 jm:715 q:  0.6 -1.2 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2496 f:-0.059 pm:6.498 jm:715 q:  0.9 -0.8 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2592 f:-0.059 pm:7.279 jm:715 q:  1.2 -0.1 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2688 f:-0.059 pm:7.743 jm:715 q:  1.5  0.4 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2784 f:-0.059 pm:8.114 jm:715 q:  1.8  0.7 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2880 f:-0.059 pm:8.411 jm:715 q:  1.9  1.0 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2976 f:-0.059 pm:8.879 jm:715 q:  2.1  1.2 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:3072 f:-0.059 pm:9.545 jm:715 q:  2.4  1.6 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:3168 f:-0.059 pm:10.17 jm:715 q:  2.5  1.5 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
2007-04-25 04:06:25 >WOLF10  -r 44097.89 -f 9577 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f:-0.013 a: 0.4 dp: 63.9 ci: 0 cj:  0 HJI9/QGP20 7EVH -
t:  48 f: 0.016 a: 0.2 dp: 62.0 ci: 7 cj:113 MN4P1WLN.K0 BBR -
t:  96 f: 0.143 a: 1.2 dp: 58.3 ci:13 cj:392 MIGAY2CNLNWED14 ?
t: 192 f: 0.498 pm:0.540 jm:924 q:-14.3-10.1 CZY LAPT.0QB.BO ?
t: 288 f:-0.059 pm:0.790 jm:640 q: -7.2 -9.0 IE3GZ6ZGNBH/K42 ?
t: 384 f:-0.273 pm:0.928 jm:856 q:-11.3 -8.0 ICSMKFHNBVW8PVG ?
t: 480 f:-0.059 pm:1.169 jm:640 q: -7.4 -8.6 VL*F3UMY0UBDYCN ?
t: 576 f:-0.059 pm:1.479 jm:640 q: -7.1 -8.7 2UL3WZN7UJH9TXC ?
t: 672 f:-0.059 pm:1.650 jm:640 q: -6.1 -8.7 1E.XES 1 */Y.ZO ?
t: 768 f:-0.059 pm:2.152 jm:640 q: -5.0 -8.9 FHR0ZNAMMUCQ.ZO ?
t: 864 f:-0.059 pm:2.545 jm:640 q: -3.9 -7.3 XR2XES 1 9S3O2F ?
t: 960 f:-0.059 pm:2.971 jm:640 q: -3.0 -7.4 XR2XES 1 WT ERP ?
t:1056 f:-0.059 pm:3.409 jm:640 q: -2.2 -5.6 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1152 f:-0.059 pm:5.060 jm:640 q: -1.0 -4.2 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1248 f:-0.059 pm:6.726 jm:640 q:  0.1 -3.0 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1344 f:-0.059 pm:8.352 jm:640 q:  1.3 -2.2 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1440 f:-0.059 pm:10.06 jm:640 q:  2.2 -1.1 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1536 f:-0.059 pm:11.30 jm:640 q:  2.9 -0.2 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1632 f:-0.059 pm:12.07 jm:640 q:  3.4  0.6 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1728 f:-0.059 pm:12.85 jm:640 q:  3.7  1.0 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1824 f:-0.059 pm:13.37 jm:640 q:  4.0  1.4 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:1920 f:-0.059 pm:13.80 jm:640 q:  4.4  1.6 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2016 f:-0.059 pm:14.67 jm:640 q:  4.4  1.8 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2112 f:-0.059 pm:14.99 jm:640 q:  4.6  2.2 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2208 f:-0.059 pm:15.63 jm:640 q:  4.7  2.6 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2304 f:-0.059 pm:16.22 jm:640 q:  5.0  3.0 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2400 f:-0.059 pm:16.48 jm:640 q:  5.2  3.2 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2496 f:-0.059 pm:16.80 jm:640 q:  5.4  3.4 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2592 f:-0.059 pm:16.93 jm:640 q:  5.4  3.7 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2688 f:-0.059 pm:17.06 jm:640 q:  5.6  3.8 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2784 f:-0.059 pm:17.29 jm:640 q:  5.7  3.9 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2880 f:-0.059 pm:17.41 jm:640 q:  5.6  3.8 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:2976 f:-0.059 pm:17.60 jm:640 q:  5.6  3.8 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:3072 f:-0.059 pm:17.77 jm:640 q:  5.6  3.8 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
t:3168 f:-0.059 pm:17.77 jm:640 q:  5.7  3.8 WD2XES 1 WT ERP -
2007-04-25 04:59:21 >WOLF10  -r 44097.89 -f 9577 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f: 0.167 a:-0.7 dp: 56.0 ci:10 cj:250 O6B.204NCWKGYA4 ?
t:  48 f:-0.201 a:-1.3 dp: 59.0 ci:14 cj:298 .UF851NRU*WBQGK ?
t:  96 f:-0.151 a: 0.5 dp: 53.6 ci: 2 cj:113 N9D 3 N86XG2KV3 ?
t: 192 f:-0.654 pm:0.361 jm:172 q:-15.3 -6.1 BMVNFO1./MIW/F7 -
t: 288 f: 0.371 pm:0.475 jm:210 q:-13.8 -6.3 F2MWZY NW7U*473 -
t: 384 f: 0.420 pm:0.538 jm:571 q:-10.8 -9.0 4Y73ZTMXL5GGQ53 ?
t: 480 f: 0.371 pm:0.637 jm:210 q:-11.4 -6.4 F*8H 3CTH0N71S. -
t: 576 f:-0.049 pm:0.672 jm:563 q: -5.1 -9.1 .ZJSYGCZIME6GRZ ?
t: 672 f: 0.625 pm:0.803 jm:308 q: -9.2 -8.8 60J4PABI2.19PZC ?
t: 768 f: 0.518 pm:0.843 jm: 35 q: -8.8 -8.8 PW9/VWWIF1ZDGYQ ?
t: 864 f: 0.625 pm:0.955 jm:308 q: -7.9 -7.2 J /G6881V.E8M 0 ?
t: 960 f: 0.625 pm:1.005 jm:308 q: -7.8 -8.8 .6DE*8VMOR/60PO ?
t:1056 f: 0.625 pm:1.015 jm:308 q: -7.6 -5.9 ZR3FBSFQSXHG78J -
t:1152 f: 0.625 pm:1.084 jm:308 q: -7.3 -8.5 2XMZ T4IQ1869BT ?
t:1248 f: 0.986 pm:1.115 jm:297 q: -7.1 -7.0 5HPQ9CP21P2 IPK ?
t:1344 f: 0.986 pm:1.150 jm:297 q: -7.0 -7.1 5D81EQ???DYBQN2 ?
t:1440 f: 0.986 pm:1.216 jm:297 q: -6.7 -6.8 5HPQ9CP21P2 IPK ?
t:1536 f: 0.986 pm:1.270 jm:297 q: -6.3 -6.6 5HPQ9CP21P2 IPK ?
t:1632 f: 0.986 pm:1.296 jm:297 q: -6.0 -7.3 5HPQ9CP21P2 A0V ?

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John ,
I listening tonight in Wolf and QRSS60 in T/A windows
73 Jean-Pierre f1afj

John Andrews a =E9crit :
> WD2XES will run in WOLF (10 b/s) mode tonight on 137.577 kHz starting=20
> around 2330 UTC. Reports are welcome.
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WD2XES will run in WOLF (10 b/s) mode tonight on 137.577 kHz starting 
around 2330 UTC. Reports are welcome.

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Thanks for the report, and for running your grabber, Ko

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Ko Versteeg
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Subject: Re: LF: [500] G3WCB QRV 503.350 kHz...DFCW3...


Dave G3WCB wrote:
> Dear LF
> 
> G3WCB is in beacon mode DFCW3 on 503.350 kHz for antenna tests from 18:30
> utc until 2130 utc tonight.
> RF into the antenna is  10W, antenna current 250 mA.
> 
> Reports most welcome, via the Reflector or direct.
> 
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

Hi Dave
FB Copy tonight  with some very deep fades as you might have seen ;-)

Closing down now because of the usual 4 A.M wakeup call.

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Dave G3WCB wrote:
> Dear LF
> 
> G3WCB is in beacon mode DFCW3 on 503.350 kHz for antenna tests from 18:30
> utc until 2130 utc tonight.
> RF into the antenna is  10W, antenna current 250 mA.
> 
> Reports most welcome, via the Reflector or direct.
> 
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

Hi Dave
FB Copy tonight  with some very deep fades as you might have seen ;-)

Closing down now because of the usual 4 A.M wakeup call.

Tnx for the New One in DFCW!
73 Ko, NL9222





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Hi Dave,

RR - I will also be busy from "other tasks" over the easter weekend. 
Anyway it's nice to see the propagation getting better by the minute. 
The QSB is slower than 2 minutes here, but that may change later, too.

I have uploaded a "multi-strip" spectrogram of your transmission which 
shows the slow QSB quite good (note that the times are "local" because 
windows recently switched my PC's clock to DST, so subtract two hours to 
get UTC) :

http://dl4yhf.ssl7.com/g3wcb_503k33_1917utc.jpg

Cheers,
 Wolf DL4YHF .

Dave G3WCB schrieb:
> Hi, Wolf
>
> Thanks for the report. I just need to get a couple of things sorted out over
> the next few days, and I'll be QRV for crossband 501/137 kHz. Won't be until
> after Easter, though. Social engagements mean I won't be on the air much
> until the week-end after Easter :-(
>
> Not sure if QRSS or DFCW is the better mode for DX on 137 kHz. The fading
> characteristics are quite different compared to 137 kHz. The QSB appears to
> be quicker, maybe 2 minute cycle, and the fades can be quite deep.
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
>   



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Hi, Wolf

Thanks for the report. I just need to get a couple of things sorted out over
the next few days, and I'll be QRV for crossband 501/137 kHz. Won't be until
after Easter, though. Social engagements mean I won't be on the air much
until the week-end after Easter :-(

Not sure if QRSS or DFCW is the better mode for DX on 137 kHz. The fading
characteristics are quite different compared to 137 kHz. The QSB appears to
be quicker, maybe 2 minute cycle, and the fades can be quite deep.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM


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Hi Dave,

Oh, wish I was at DK4U right now (for a xband test): Your signal is
"M".."O" copy with a piece of wire in my living room, connected to a
TS850 through a selective high-impedance preamplifier. And all that
despite a horrible amount of QRM.
19:45 UTC: just seeing the "WCB" on a SL QRSS3 screen.

73,
  Wolf DL4YHF
  JO42FD .




Dave G3WCB schrieb:
> Dear LF
>
> G3WCB is in beacon mode DFCW3 on 503.350 kHz for antenna tests from 18:30
> utc until 2130 utc tonight.
> RF into the antenna is  10W, antenna current 250 mA.
>
> Reports most welcome, via the Reflector or direct.
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>






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Hi Dave,

Oh, wish I was at DK4U right now (for a xband test): Your signal is 
"M".."O" copy with a piece of wire in my living room, connected to a 
TS850 through a selective high-impedance preamplifier. And all that 
despite a horrible amount of QRM.
19:45 UTC: just seeing the "WCB" on a SL QRSS3 screen.

73,
  Wolf DL4YHF
  JO42FD .




Dave G3WCB schrieb:
> Dear LF
>
> G3WCB is in beacon mode DFCW3 on 503.350 kHz for antenna tests from 18:30
> utc until 2130 utc tonight.
> RF into the antenna is  10W, antenna current 250 mA.
>
> Reports most welcome, via the Reflector or direct.
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>   



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Dear LF

G3WCB is in beacon mode DFCW3 on 503.350 kHz for antenna tests from 18:30
utc until 2130 utc tonight.
RF into the antenna is  10W, antenna current 250 mA.

Reports most welcome, via the Reflector or direct.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM









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Any frequent visitors will want to know that the Longwave Club of America 
site, lwca.org (and all its related services), will be out of commission from 
tonight for an indefinite interval.
 
Our move to a new hosting service last fall was abrupt and involved temporary 
co-location with another site.  When we were able to put the domain on an 
account of its own, so many DNS records had to be rewritten manually that a 
number of configuration files were permanently malformed, and this has resulted in 
a series of increasingly destructive crashes.
 
Our provider's support staff now agree that the best solution is to delete 
the account entirely and re-create it from the ground up.  Having confirmed that 
I have a full backup of the site, I have given my permission to take that 
drastic step.
 
The lwca.org pages will return to life some time this week; probably 
Wednesday morning, though I'm not making any promises at this point.
 
John
 



************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

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<DIV>Any frequent visitors will want to know that the Longwave Club of Ameri=
ca site, lwca.org (and all its related services), will be out of commission=20=
from tonight for an indefinite interval.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Our&nbsp;move to a new hosting service last fall was abrupt and involve=
d temporary co-location with another site.&nbsp; When we were able to put th=
e domain on an account of its own, so many DNS records had to be rewritten m=
anually that a number of configuration files were permanently malformed, and=
 this has resulted in a series of increasingly destructive crashes.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Our provider's support staff now agree that the best solution is to del=
ete the account entirely and re-create it from the ground up.&nbsp; Having c=
onfirmed that I have a full backup of the site, I have given my permission t=
o take that drastic step.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The&nbsp;lwca.org pages&nbsp;will return to life some time this week; p=
robably Wednesday morning, though I'm not making any promises at this point.=
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<DIV>John</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR><BR><BR><DIV><FONT style=3D"color: black; font: normal=20=
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Hi, Vernon this reflector is limited to a max message size including
attachments of about 35kb. A screen shot of Argo or Spectrum Lab will
probably be over 100kb and so will be rejected. You do not get a warning it
just disappears. As John demonstrated you can get through by pruning the
picture.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: Vernon Matheson <vmath@eastlink.ca>
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> Hi all,
>
> Can someone tell me if the LF reflector does not accept attachments or do
> you have to paste in the body of the email. I posted a note at 1048UTC and
> as of 1418UTC nothing has come back from the list server.
>
> I had attached a capture in jpeg format of last nights activities seen in
> Nova Scotia.
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Vernon - VE1VDM
> Truro, Nova Scotia
> FN85ki
>



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GE Geri!
Thanks in advance for QSL.
My address:
Lubomir Bobalik
Na Valticke 5
691 41 Breclav 4
Czech Republic

73, Lubos, OK2BVG
*******************************

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Walter Staubach
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Dear Lubomir,
         many thanks for the screenshot from the DI2AG beacon. Fine
picture.
I would like to send you the QSL directly, pse give me your address.
73    Walter    DI2AG / DJ2LF


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Hallo Geri!
Thanks for informations about DI2AG. I saw its signal last night, but I
didn=B4t capture it, sorry. But I saw DI2AG at night 20070407, so I =
attach
this sbapshot.

73, OK2BVG, JN88KS
******************************

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Holger 'Geri',
DK8KW
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2001 11:29 PM
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Subject: LF: [500] DI2BO back on the air on 505.015 kHz

Good morning, folks,

finally the license document for DI2BO with the added frequency range
(505.1
plus/minus 100 Hz, additionally to 440.0 kHz plus/minus 100 Hz) arrived.

After a storm earlier this year had torn down my 18m umbrella I have now
set
up a simple L-shaped wire antenna: 6 m vertically up to a mast from the
window of my shack and then 8 m horizontally to the top of the roof of
my
house. Output power at the moment is 10 watts, still using the DEBEG
7121
marine tranmitter. ERP has not yet been determined, I guess it is not
more
than a few mW so reception might be a challenge.

Currently DI2BO transmits on 505.015 kHz in QRSS3 with 6 wpm CW ID.
Reception reports are welcome.

Best 73

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO





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Laurence,

Yes, 0.57 Hz high, here.

John A.




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Mal,
Solid gndwave at 1220/30 - called you several times.
Rog.
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henny van elst
straatweg 100
3604bd
maarssen
73  henny  pa3cpm
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Dear Henny,
            the signal you saw was DI2AG in JN59NO ( near Nuernberg ) =
with 0,4W ERP in QRSS3 and identification in regular CW.
  Seems to be strong. Please Henny give me your address, I would like to =
send the QSL from DI2AG directly.
  73   Walter     DI2AG / DJ2LF

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    nice signal di2bo  time 21:30 utc

    henny pa3cpm

    jo22mb  ant racal actif 60cm rec:r&schwarz     ek891                 =
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  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dear Henny,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT =
size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the=20
  signal you saw was DI2AG in JN59NO ( near Nuernberg ) with 0,4W ERP in =
QRSS3=20
  and identification in regular CW.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>Seems to be strong. Please Henny give me your =
address, I=20
  would like to send the QSL from DI2AG directly.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>73&nbsp;&nbsp; Walter&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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    =
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    &lt;<A=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>nice signal di2bo&nbsp; time 21:30=20
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    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>henny pa3cpm</FONT></DIV>
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Hi Om
Tnx for the move to 503 khz and pse listen out for a QSO. You are vy loud in
the UK and we are all waiting to make a QSO.
73 de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH
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PA2NL test on 502.4 khz qrs 3. rst 599 vy strong. Its a pity he is not in
QSO mode. He is also in the middle of the CW QSO area where most operate at
present.
If u copy this email om pse beacon around 503.5 - 504 khz if possible.
Tnx de Mal/G3KEV



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Hello,
Couple of days ago, but i like to ask if someone else received following
signals on ~136.317 on 31.March

http://www.mydarc.de/dd7pc/RU6LA_310307_136317_capt7341.jpg
http://www.mydarc.de/dd7pc/RU_310307_136317_capt7343.jpg

I copied from 1-5am "RU".
I think it's RU6LA, but i'm not sure. Signal was strong just with a
MiniWhip on a FT-857.

thanks

Vy73
Marco
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Dear Lubos,
         good idea with both beacons and the different fading. About =
UK-beacons - I saw G3KEV for several times in the evening on 502,5.  We =
should ask all the UK-amateurs with 500KHz-permit for =
beacon-transmissions and to publish their frequencies on this reflector.
Proposal: Saturday to Sunday, starting 20:00Z. Hw?
73     Walter    DJ2LF / DI2AG
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  -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
  Von: Lubom=EDr Bobal=EDk <lubomir.bobalik@rtv5.cz>
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  Datum: Freitag, 13. April 2007 06:13
  Betreff: LF: DI2AG_DI2BO_together


  GM Walter and Geri!

  =20

  On the attached snapshot (070413 /  03:30UT) are signals of both =
beacons together. You can see their different fading.

  =20

  I have a question for all: Are they some beacons on 500KHz in UK in =
permanent operations? I don=B4t know it.

  Thanks

  =20

  Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS=20

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dear Lubos,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
good idea=20
with both beacons and the different fading. About UK-beacons - I saw =
G3KEV for=20
several times in the evening on 502,5.&nbsp;&nbsp;We should ask all the=20
UK-amateurs with 500KHz-permit for&nbsp;beacon-transmissions and to =
publish=20
their frequencies on this reflector.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Proposal: Saturday to Sunday, starting 20:00Z.=20
Hw?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>73&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Walter&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
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DI2AG</FONT></DIV>
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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(070413=20
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of both=20
  beacons together. You can see their different=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
  style=3D"FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I have a question for =
all: Are=20
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know=20
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><SPAN=20
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Capture of DI2AG and BHZ peaked 21:15 UTC this night
Capture of DI2BO peaked 00:15 UTC

73
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>From Peter, G3JFS in Plymouth.
Locator IO70WJ.
 
Hi all,
 
last night (Friday) I made my first primitive attempt at receiving on 500  
KHz.  With an untuned/unmatched random wire fed via about 50 ft of coax and  an 
FT1000MP Mk-V I had excellent copy of GI4DPE from about 2300 to 2315  when I 
shut up shop for the night. S meter readings were meaningless but the  signal 
painted a very clear trace on the spectran waterfall with occasional  qsb into 
noise. 
 
There are problems to solve as I live less than a mile away from the local  
MW broadcast transmitting station.  I don't know how much power is  radiated, 
or how many transmitters are fed into the aerial but I know it puts  out quite 
a few spurious signals and intermodulation products as well as  overloading my 
receiver front end to generate more - I once measured 19  volts dc output 
from the detector of a crystal set (with a high  impedance meter) connected to a 
120 ft long end fed wire.
 
Like comments I've seen on other rigs my FT1000MP has a big  drop in gain 
when tuning above 500 KHz.  The sensitivity is a bit on the  low side but I am 
sure that a tuned aerial and low gain preselector will allow  me to use the rig 
for more serious reception.
 
Encouraged by my receiving test I have applied for an NOV and hope to join  
you the band before too long.
 
73, Peter



   

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Hi all,

Can someone tell me if the LF reflector does not accept attachments or do
you have to paste in the body of the email. I posted a note at 1048UTC and
as of 1418UTC nothing has come back from the list server.

I had attached a capture in jpeg format of last nights activities seen in
Nova Scotia.

Many thanks,

Vernon - VE1VDM
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and may I recommend John W1TAG's narrative on loops versus probes for 
calibration, and the how to do's measurements -

http://www.w1tag.com/LF_FSM.htm

Laurence 9V1/KL1 X
Tstorms 37C


>From: "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
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>
>Hi again Chris yes that how to do it. It is somewhat easier to use a loop
>which is easier to calculate the output from a given field strength....Jim
>is the expert at that !! He has done many measurements on 136khz. Dick
>Rollema has built units for both methods. I am not sure whether they are
>written up. One may be on the LWCA site.
>Alan
>snip.............
> > Shoot me down in flames but can't one make an RF probe to measure the
>volts per metre at a set distance from the aerial and then work back to
>deduce the radiated power ??
> >
> > 73 Chris G3XIZ
>
>
>

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Hi again Chris yes that how to do it. It is somewhat easier to use a loop
which is easier to calculate the output from a given field strength....Jim
is the expert at that !! He has done many measurements on 136khz. Dick
Rollema has built units for both methods. I am not sure whether they are
written up. One may be on the LWCA site.
Alan
snip.............
> Shoot me down in flames but can't one make an RF probe to measure the
volts per metre at a set distance from the aerial and then work back to
deduce the radiated power ??
>
> 73 Chris G3XIZ




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Hello All,

Bob emailed me because he copied the, "J", and sent "ZM2E E" according to 
the plan.  I copied the  di-di-dah from the start of the number 2 in ZM2E on 
his frequency.  About the time Bob would have been sending the, "2", I would 
have been in the second listening period.

I expect that UA0AET was on his planned frequency sending the U there rather 
than to potentially QRM the ZL team effort, so the di-di-dah copied would 
not have been his U.

Nothing of the above is confirmed.

Bob, if this is important enough for the effort, and if you kept a running 
capture or audio record which can be time-stamped in some way, I will check 
it against all three captures which are time stamped.... Thanks to the Argo 
team.

J



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Alan, =20
You might be interested in my quick-Tx with cer-res/divider/pa.
Dev took just a few hrs on gnd-plane & ~ 1 day hardware/screwing dwn lid =
- haven't touched it since.
FET VFO mod pending, but wrks FB & too busy hvg fun with QSO's, ant =
experiments & remote f/s measurements.
Schem attached... see if it gets thru?
Based on my 1980's 160/80m VFO/divider QRP Tx's.
72, Rog.


----- Original Message -----=20
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Hello everyone, Alan G3XAQ here. I just joined this mailing list. I'm=20
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All,

Sorry, the attachment did not attach properly the first time, and when I 
retried, I left it out alltogether.

Lesson: send email after first coffee.

PIX shows ZM2E sending "Z" at 14:15 as received at VY1JA with an untuned 
vertical on an FT-990.

J. 

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Hi Dave
Will look out for u when u get going. I use the 144 IF out and dont seem to
have any problems but I leave it on all the time day and night.
My setup UC1/746 is on par with any of the other receivers and prob better,
it is fb for cw maybe not qrs 60 but who wants that !!! on 500

73 Mal/G3KEV

----- Original Message -----
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> On 20 Apr 2007 at 19:41, hamilton mal wrote:
>
> > Hi All
> > I find the Datong UC1 up converter vy good on 500 khz. I use the 144
> > mhz IF and a IC 746 with narrow cw filter. The converter has a tuned
> > rf input and this enables the system to be peaked to the signal area
> > of interest and avoids breakthrough fm BC stns even with large
> > antennas. 73 de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH
> >
> >
>
> Another UC/1 user here Mal, although I use its 28MHz output into my
> K2. That shows up one of its weaknesses, in that the 116MHz
> downconverter crystal is not too stable and is hard to get spot on so
> I find the calibration is sometimes 100Hz out...
>
> I seem to have a relatively low noise level here (though does vary a
> bit) and no problems from BC station blocking. Just been listening to
> Colin G3VTT working Finbar GI4DPE and while they were exchanging 319
> and such reports I was copying them both very well, peaking 589 but
> with the inevitable QSB. Finbar seemed a very good signal tonight,
> almost as strong as yourself. So I guess it does show that people's
> receivers and noise levels vary a lot.
>
> NOV'd listener at the moment, but not for long...
>
> 73 Dave G3YMC
>
> http://www.davesergeant.com
>
>



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On 20 Apr 2007 at 19:41, hamilton mal wrote:

> Hi All
> I find the Datong UC1 up converter vy good on 500 khz. I use the 144
> mhz IF and a IC 746 with narrow cw filter. The converter has a tuned
> rf input and this enables the system to be peaked to the signal area
> of interest and avoids breakthrough fm BC stns even with large
> antennas. 73 de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH
> 
> 

Another UC/1 user here Mal, although I use its 28MHz output into my 
K2. That shows up one of its weaknesses, in that the 116MHz 
downconverter crystal is not too stable and is hard to get spot on so 
I find the calibration is sometimes 100Hz out...

I seem to have a relatively low noise level here (though does vary a 
bit) and no problems from BC station blocking. Just been listening to 
Colin G3VTT working Finbar GI4DPE and while they were exchanging 319 
and such reports I was copying them both very well, peaking 589 but 
with the inevitable QSB. Finbar seemed a very good signal tonight, 
almost as strong as yourself. So I guess it does show that people's 
receivers and noise levels vary a lot.

NOV'd listener at the moment, but not for long...

73 Dave G3YMC

http://www.davesergeant.com



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Hi All
I find the Datong UC1 up converter vy good on 500 khz. I use the 144 mhz IF
and a IC 746 with narrow cw filter. The converter has a tuned rf input and
this enables the system to be peaked to the signal area of interest and
avoids breakthrough fm BC stns even with large antennas.
73 de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH



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ra3yo?

henny  pa3cpm
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ant. racal 60cm
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Just the odd squeeze and treat her like a Princess. I had to send the other  
one I had back......................................
 
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It looks as though you have a good deal there Colin, but heaven knows how
many hats ( or maybe pairs of shoes) this is going to cost you !

Best Wishes Alan G3NYK

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> Hi All,
>
> Thanks to Bob, John, Dave and Mike for your offers of crystals. It looks
> like Mike will sort me out. Please feel free to ask me for any wants.
>
> My wife was impressed with the way you all helped out. She is very keen on
> this '5 ton' lark. Her brother was RO on the 'Atlantic Conveyor' and many
other
>  ships. She understands about long wires, LF, ladder line and crystals. I
> have been relieved household duties until the thrill of the new band wears
off -
>  she is not for sale.......
>
> Thanks again all
>
> 72
>
> Colin G3VTT
> (plenty of stormy QRN here tonioght and nothing on 500 at  2145z)
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I've been away from the LF scene for some time, and haven't even been
reading the postings recently, so know nothing of what is going on on 0.5MHz
.

I was looking at various bits of equipment / junk on the shelves recently
(with a view to rationalising it all and putting some of teh bits on a rally
stand or Ebay) when I realised I more than enough hardware that can be
plugged together for a very potent 500kHz station.  Viz. 200 Watt  500kHz to
40MHz linear PA, transverter and a old NDB variometer that matches my LF Tee
antenna.  (The PA in fact generates full power down to significantly lower
than 500kHz).

A quick test of the antenna at this freq indicates 23 ohm loss resistance
(it is 100 ohms at 137kHz) so with the 200W PA I suspect would be over the
allowed E.RP.

Question :
What is happening on 500kHz?  Having no interest whatsoever in CW, or
working other stations just to add up callsigns and countries, so is there
any experimentation going on; optimum data modes, propagation monitoring etc
that would make it worth applying for a NoV and doing some radio science
again?

Andy  G4JNT

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<div><br>I&#39;ve been away from the LF scene for some time, and haven&#39;t even been reading the postings recently, so know nothing of what is going on on 0.5MHz.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>I was looking at various bits of equipment / junk on the shelves recently (with a view to rationalising it all and putting&nbsp;some of teh bits&nbsp;on a rally stand or Ebay) when&nbsp;I realised I&nbsp;more than enough hardware&nbsp;that can be plugged together&nbsp;for&nbsp;a very&nbsp;potent 500kHz station.&nbsp; Viz. 200 Watt&nbsp; 500kHz to 40MHz linear PA, transverter and a old NDB variometer that&nbsp;matches my LF Tee antenna.&nbsp; (The PA in fact generates full power down to significantly lower than 500kHz).&nbsp;&nbsp; 
</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>A quick test of the antenna at this freq&nbsp;indicates 23 ohm loss resistance (it is 100 ohms at 137kHz) so with the 200W PA I suspect&nbsp;would be&nbsp;over the allowed E.RP.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Question :</div>
<div>What is happening on 500kHz?&nbsp; Having no interest whatsoever in CW, or working other stations just to add up callsigns and countries, so is there any experimentation going on; optimum data modes, propagation monitoring etc that would make it worth applying for a NoV and doing some radio science again?
</div>
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<div>Andy&nbsp; G4JNT</div>
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Thanks JB and Jay for the screen grabs.
Also thanks to ZL2CA for the motivation for getting the ERP up!

73
Joe


On Sun, 1 Apr 2007, J. B. Weazle McCreath wrote:

> Hello Lloyd, Joe, LFers,
>
> It looks like I took my capture at the same time as you, Lloyd!!
> This was the most solid that I've ever seen Joe's signals into my
> neck of the woods.  Rough figuring puts me1300 miles or so
> from Joe.  See attached Argo snippet.
>
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
> Solar and wind powered
> Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
> EN93dr
>
> http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle
>
>


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Hello Lloyd, Joe, LFers,

It looks like I took my capture at the same time as you, Lloyd!!
This was the most solid that I've ever seen Joe's signals into my
neck of the woods.  Rough figuring puts me1300 miles or so
from Joe.  See attached Argo snippet.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
Lowfer " EAR"  188.830
EN93dr

http://www.hurontel.on.ca/~weazle


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Hi John and Lloyd,

That's an impressive copy over 1000 miles during the daytime John.
There also appear to be traces on the G3YXM grabber.

And that was my DFCW ID trace you sent, Loyd.

Thanks to both of you.

73
Joe VO1NA

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> John,Joe I copied this last evening(abt 2100-2200z) ..not really sure all
> whats happening but will pass this along
> de Lloyd W3NF
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> ----- Original Message -----
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> > Capture at 1655Z:
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John,Joe I copied this last evening(abt 2100-2200z) ..not really sure all 
whats happening but will pass this along
de Lloyd W3NF

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Joe,
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> Capture at 1655Z:
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> John A.
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> The noise was better last night but still no copy from ZM2E. Joe's "N's" 
> really stood out at 1600 km:
> http://www.w1tag.com/files/VO1NA040107.jpg
> 
> John Andrews, W1TAG


Ditto here.

Jay W1VD / WD2XNS


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Hi John and thanks for the capture.  At least I'm not the only
one on the East coast who didn't see ZM2E.

They do look like N's and they appear to be spot on frequency and
not shifted up by 0.05 Hz as seen on some other grabs.

I'll be starting a daytime TX at just after 1300 UTC today, 01 April.

73
Joe

On Sun, 1 Apr 2007, John Andrews wrote:

> The noise was better last night but still no copy from ZM2E. Joe's "N's"
> really stood out at 1600 km:
> http://www.w1tag.com/files/VO1NA040107.jpg
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG
>
>
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The noise was better last night but still no copy from ZM2E. Joe's "N's" 
really stood out at 1600 km:
http://www.w1tag.com/files/VO1NA040107.jpg

John Andrews, W1TAG



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Thanks Hartmut,

I've been looking for R6L on 137.778!  I'll look on 772 now.
73
Joe

On Sat, 31 Mar 2007, Hartmut Wolff wrote:

> This evening I had some local noise problems. Nothing from ZM2E, RA3YO
> and UA4WPF. Copied UA0AET "U" (probably J's UNID), RX9BS "X" and R6L
> "L". R6L was transmitting on about 137.772kHz. RX9BS was calling in
> DFCW3 and DFCW10 19:15-19:30 but got no response.
>
> Captures can be seen here:
>
> http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm
>
> 73
> Hartmut
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A temporary hookup of a PA0RDT Mini-whip some 15 feet AGL, and a very LF 
deaf FT-920 RX yielded what appears to be ZM2E on 137.776 kHz.



Home TV QRM has now increased my LF reception difficulties, however 3 
earlier captures are available for viewing from the URL below -

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A temporary hookup of a PA0RDT Mini-whip some 15 feet AGL, and a very
LF deaf FT-920 RX yielded what appears to be ZM2E on 137.776 kHz.<br>
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Hi all
A new one for me today G3VTT and a couple of days ago G3UNT and G3ROO.
The band is beginning to liven up on CW , which is the ideal mode for this
band. Qrs is probably too slow and characters get lost in the QSB which
seems to plague this band especially with the QRP permitted.
73 de Mal/G3KEV



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Uploaded a capture of EW6GB to my website:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm

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Hello Dmitry and all ,

Hi listening in QRSS60 ! good copy
See picture at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/Temp/137710.jpg

73 Qro Jean-Pierre f1afj

Dmitri a =C3=A9crit :
> Hi LF's
>
> EW6GB on 137.312 QRSS3
>
>
>
> Dmitry

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Hi LF's

EW6GB on 137.312 QRSS3



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Hi LF's<br>
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EW6GB on 137.312 QRSS3<br>
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Bob,

Signal is back and nice again.  This shows nearly continuous signal from 
11:20 to 13:55 so far, over two hours with a single known dip.

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "hamilton mal" <g3kev.ham@virgin.net>
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Subject: 500 khz update


> Dave find update 19/04/2006> 
Now worked GW3UEP for 5th country
> From: "hamilton mal" <g3kev.ham@virgin.net>
> To: <daveyxm@googlemail.com>
> Cc: <LF.RADCOM@RSGB.ORG.UK>
> Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2007 9:21 AM
> Subject: Fw: 500 khz
> 
> 
> ess.
> > > Worked so far since the 500 khz slot was allocated.
> > > First qso G3YXM, then DI2AG, SM6BHZ, GI4DPE, M0FMT, G3WCB, G3AQC,
> GI3PDN,
> > > G3GRO, M0BMU,G3XIZ, G3KZU.
> > > also worked xband F6ACU, DK4U 500/7025 khz
> > > Countries worked  (5) G, GI,GW, SM6, DK4 plus F xband.
> > > The above qso's were all first contacts both ways on the new 500 khz
> band.
More recent qso's G3ROO,G3UNT and GW3UEP
> > > I hope this info is useful for the LF/MF section of radcom.
> > > 73 de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH/Scarborough
> > >
> >
> 


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Hi Walter and Lubos, with the number of permits granted (I know of at least
15 active calls at present) continuous beaconing is not likely to be popular
in the UK. Overnight runs are more likely, by request, and I am sure there
are stations that will oblige.I am sure you can use the reflector to set up
a few test nights.

73 de Alan G3NYK


----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Staubach <walter.staubach@fen-net.de>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 13 April 2007 15:59
Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG_DI2BO_together


Dear Lubos,
         good idea with both beacons and the different fading. About
UK-beacons - I saw G3KEV for several times in the evening on 502,5.  We
should ask all the UK-amateurs with 500KHz-permit for beacon-transmissions
and to publish their frequencies on this reflector.
Proposal: Saturday to Sunday, starting 20:00Z. Hw?
73     Walter    DJ2LF / DI2AG

  -----Urspr�ngliche Nachricht-----
  Von: Lubom�r Bobal�k <lubomir.bobalik@rtv5.cz>
  An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
  Datum: Freitag, 13. April 2007 06:13
  Betreff: LF: DI2AG_DI2BO_together


  GM Walter and Geri!



  On the attached snapshot (070413 /  03:30UT) are signals of both beacons
together. You can see their different fading.



  I have a question for all: Are they some beacons on 500KHz in UK in
permanent operations? I don�t know it.

  Thanks



  Lubos, OK2BVG, JN88KS








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Bob and All,

Day two had poorer propagation, but still good.  The attached is a composite 
to make the two captures a contiguous time line.

Well done, ZM2E team!

J.

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Dear LF,

after signon of Rugby Loran and Budapest, interference to the 137 kHz band i=
n=20
Central Europe has again become worse twice. This was apparently caused by=20
recent changes in the modulators of two large broadcast/utility stations, DL=
F=20
and DCF39.


DLF (Deutschlandfunk Donebach, now 250 kW on 153 kHz) has always been prone=20
to have a pair of spurs about 17 kHz from the main carrier, which are=20
FM-modulated across several kHz by the program content. They were quite stro=
ng (up to=20
-65 dBc) for some time in 2002/2003. Though the origin of the spurs is still=
=20
not understood, one on-site engineer found a workaround to mitigate the prob=
lem,=20
by placing a PCB in the 54 kHz switch-mode modulator circuitry on an extende=
r=20
board and thus cooling a certain CD4011 chip.

This year Feb 22, 9:20 the problem reappeared at somewhat lower level, first=
=20
intermittently but now permanent since Feb. 28. In an SSB receiver tuned to=20
136 kHz, the lower spur is audible as a shuffling and hissing sound, going o=
n=20
and off along with the modulation on 153 kHz - it actually sounds very much=20=
like=20
listening to a FM broadcast transmission in SSB mode. In my colour-DF=20
spectrograms, it shows up as a blue-greenish haze, interrupted by irregular=20=
short=20
pauses. The screenshot http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/QRM/DLF_break_070317.pn=
g was=20
taken during a short transmitter outage on Mar 17, and really shows the=20
impact on the receive situation on a quiet day.

At 160 km range, the spurious noise is -12 dB =B5V/m/sqrt(Hz), some 6 dB abo=
ve=20
my average daytime background. This corresponds to a sideband power density=20=
of=20
-72 dBc/kHz at the transmitter. There is also a weak (-93 dBc) line, slowly=20
drifting within about 10 Hz around 136.75 kHz.=20

I have contacted the Donebach staff and informed them about the reappearance=
=20
of problem. Unfortunately they said they can do nothing about it at the=20
moment. They have dismantled one of their two 250 kW units, and are currentl=
y in the=20
process of installing a new digital transmitter, which is scheduled to=20
transmit DRM and Simulcast (AM-compatible DRM) formats after June 2007. This=
=20
statement however did raise even more concerns from Eike (DJ5AO) and myself,=
=20
regarding potentially drastically higher noise sidebands from digital transm=
issions.


The other new problem is caused by DCF39 (Burg, 40 kW, 138.83 kHz idle with=20
FSK telegrams every 10 seconds). Normally at 310 km range, the FSK sidebands=
=20
were just barely visible below 137.8 kHz in daylight. Since April 2nd, 08:55=
,=20
the bursts seem to have increased amplitude and are extending all the way do=
wn=20
to 137.1 kHz! This is probably related to the idle frequency change (normall=
y=20
138830.03Hz, now 0.4 to 0.57 Hz high), reported by several LF observers.=20

The transmitter switched back and forth between "narrow" and "wide" modes a=20
couple of times yesterday, and has been "wide" continuously since April 4,=20
13:00 UT. For a comparison, please look at=20
http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/QRM/DCF39_sidebands_070404.png - even with the=
 rather inconspicuous violet rendering=20
you can see the significant effect on the QRSS slots around 137.7 and 137.78=
=20
kHz.

My unconfirmed assumption is that the modulation parameters of DCF39 have=20
been changed towards even less pulse shaping. But an occupied bandwidth of 3=
.8=20
kHz for a 200 bd FSK signal would seem rather ridiculous! I would be keen to=
=20
know whether others are also seeing the annoying sidebands, and if anyone in=
 the=20
group has contact information to the DCF transmitter operators on site.=20


73 and Happy Easter,
Markus, DF6NM
  =20

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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=
=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"2">Dear LF,<BR>
<BR>
after signon of Rugby Loran and Budapest, interference to the 137 kHz band i=
n Central Europe has again become worse twice. This was apparently caused by=
 recent changes in the modulators of two large broadcast/utility stations, D=
LF and DCF39.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
DLF (Deutschlandfunk Donebach, now 250 kW on 153 kHz) has always been prone=20=
to have a pair of spurs about 17 kHz from the main carrier, which are FM-mod=
ulated across several kHz by the program content. They were quite strong (up=
 to -65 dBc) for some time in 2002/2003. Though the origin of the spurs is s=
till not understood, one on-site engineer found a workaround to mitigate the=
 problem, by placing a PCB in the 54 kHz switch-mode modulator circuitry on=20=
an extender board and thus cooling a certain CD4011 chip.<BR>
<BR>
This year Feb 22, 9:20 the problem reappeared at somewhat lower level, first=
 intermittently but now permanent since Feb. 28. In an SSB receiver tuned to=
 136 kHz, the lower spur is audible as a shuffling and hissing sound, going=20=
on and off along with the modulation on 153 kHz - it actually sounds very mu=
ch like listening to a FM broadcast transmission in SSB mode. In my colour-D=
F spectrograms, it shows up as a blue-greenish haze, interrupted by irregula=
r short pauses. The screenshot <A HREF=3D"http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/QRM/=
DLF_break_070317.png">http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/QRM/DLF_break_070317.png=
</A> was taken during a short transmitter outage on Mar 17, and really shows=
 the impact on the receive situation on a quiet day.<BR>
<BR>
At 160 km range, the spurious noise is -12 dB =B5V/m/sqrt(Hz), some 6 dB abo=
ve my average daytime background. This corresponds to a sideband power densi=
ty of -72 dBc/kHz at the transmitter. There is also a weak (-93 dBc) line, s=
lowly drifting within about 10 Hz around 136.75 kHz. <BR>
<BR>
I have contacted the Donebach staff and informed them about the reappearance=
 of problem. Unfortunately they said they can do nothing about it at the mom=
ent. They have dismantled one of their two 250 kW units, and are currently i=
n the process of installing a new digital transmitter, which is scheduled to=
 transmit DRM and Simulcast (AM-compatible DRM) formats after June 2007. Thi=
s statement however did raise even more concerns from Eike (DJ5AO) and mysel=
f, regarding potentially drastically higher noise sidebands from digital tra=
nsmissions.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
The other new problem is caused by DCF39 (Burg, 40 kW, 138.83 kHz idle with=20=
FSK telegrams every 10 seconds). Normally at 310 km range, the FSK sidebands=
 were just barely visible below 137.8 kHz in daylight. Since April 2nd, 08:5=
5, the bursts seem to have increased amplitude and are extending all the way=
 down to 137.1 kHz! This is probably related to the idle frequency change (n=
ormally 138830.03Hz, now 0.4 to 0.57 Hz high), reported by several LF observ=
ers. <BR>
<BR>
The transmitter switched back and forth between "narrow" and "wide" modes a=20=
couple of times yesterday, and has been "wide" continuously since April 4, 1=
3:00 UT. For a comparison, please look at <A HREF=3D"http://members.aol.com/=
df6nm2/QRM/DCF39_sidebands_070404.png">http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/QRM/DCF=
39_sidebands_070404.png</A> - even with the rather inconspicuous violet rend=
ering you can see the significant effect on the QRSS slots around 137.7 and=20=
137.78 kHz.<BR>
<BR>
My unconfirmed assumption is that the modulation parameters of DCF39 have be=
en changed towards even less pulse shaping. But an occupied bandwidth of 3.8=
 kHz for a 200 bd FSK signal would seem rather ridiculous! I would be keen t=
o know whether others are also seeing the annoying sidebands, and if anyone=20=
in the group has contact information to the DCF transmitter operators on sit=
e. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
73 and Happy Easter,<BR>
Markus, DF6NM<BR>
</FONT>   </HTML>

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Hi all,

LF DX for 1 April was not as good as 31 March.  Nil received from VO1NA.  We 
now know why VY1JA was not received, as he was not transmitting.  The 
signals we receiver were a possible partial Z from R6L from 1600z and an O 
copy of X from RX9BS from 1700z, then T copy of X at 1730z.

ZM2E beaconed with 0.1 Hz shift 137776.0/137776.1 from 1740z till after ZL 
sunrise.

As we once again found the RX9BS dot frequency to be close to 137776.2 then 
from now on ZM2E will use 137776.0/137776.1 (0.1 Hz shift) for all 
transmission tonight (the last night for ZM2E operation).

73, Bob ZL2CA and Mike ZL4OL 




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Thanks very much for all the feedback I've received, both on and off the list. Jim seems to pretty much cover all my points, thanks. The only minor followup question I have, that might be of general interest to the group, concerns loading coils

> if the horizontal section is much longer than the vertical section,
> the vertical current distribution will be nearly uniform, less current will
> be capacitively coupled into the tower, and the effect of the tower and/or
> loading coil will be minimal. If the horizontal top-loading section is
> shorter, adding an elevated loading coil as you describe will have more
> beneficial effect. This rather depends on whether your inverted L is cut for
> operation on the 160m band, or is 160m long. The effect also depends on the
> spacing between the downlead and the tower.

My 160M inverted-L is 15M vertical and 35M horizontal (with a series 1000pF variable capacitor at the base, it looks like 50+j0 ohms on 1830KHz). For mechanical reasons, I've compromised the downlead arrangement: the wire runs through a plastic pulley at the top of my tower and so is very close to the metalwork up there. At the base, I am using low grade insulation for the wire run into the ATU shed, because the voltages are low on 160M.

I fear the tower proximity will degrade performance, but I have to live with it. The horizontal top could be extended, perhaps from 35M to 50M, but not enough for resonance on 500KHz. Multiple loading wires are aesthetically unattractive. In addition to reducing tower coupling losses, the elevated loading coil looks attractive as a route to reducing high (reactive) voltages near the base; even 500v makes me nervous with dogs, wives, and low grade "160M" insulation on site!

Noone is offering me 500KHz crystals, so it looks like I'll be scratch building a transmitter using a mixer VXO or a ceramic resonator.

Thanks everyone,

Alan G3XAQ




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Dear Alan, LF group.

As far as antennas for LF/MF are concerned, the "lots of wire as high as
possible" principle applies, with height being the factor that has by far
the biggest effect on efficiency. Your 15m high antenna is pretty big by
most amateur standards, so should have relatively high efficiency - you
shouldn't need more  than a few watts from the TX output to reach 0.1W ERP.
The "high voltages" will only be in the hundreds of volts at most. The
presence of  the tower will have an effect on the current distribution in
the antenna, and so the antenna current required to obtain a particular ERP.
The radiated power depends on the mean current in the vertical part of the
antenna; if the horizontal section is much longer than the vertical section,
the vertical current distribution will be nearly uniform, less current will
be capacitively coupled into the tower, and the effect of the tower and/or
loading coil will be minimal. If the horizontal top-loading section is
shorter, adding an elevated loading coil as you describe will have more
beneficial effect. This rather depends on whether your inverted L is cut for
operation on the 160m band, or is 160m long. The effect also depends on the
spacing between the downlead and the tower.

Personally I am using a loop antenna for receive, as at my QTH it gives
lower noise. On 500kHz, the local noise on my TX antenna is mostly splatter
which appears to be intermod products from the Brookmans Park MF broadcast
site about 500 metres from my QTH. The intermods appear to be generated by
the antenna itself - even though it is resonanted at 500kHz, an antenna
current of about 40mA flows, mostly from the 909kHz Radio 5 signal, and I
suspect the ground rods introduce some non-linearity due to electrolytic
effects. But most QTHs don't have 400kW of assorted broadcast transmitters
across the road - many people seem to be using their TX antenna successfully
for receive. Potential benefits of seperate RX antennas depend a lot on the
local QRM conditions - I have found loop antennas on LF and MF make good
mains cable locators, but when well sited can give reduced noise, and useful
directional nulls..

I think from Ofcom's point of view, restricting power to an ERP limit makes
a lot of sense. ERP is defined by field strength at some distance from the
TX, or vice-versa. If Ofcom want to know what ERP you are using, they just
have to measure the field strength of your signal, rather than gain access
to your shack to measure the TX output. Also, the ERP defines the field
strength that potential "victims" of breakthrough, interference or overload
are subjected to as a result of amateur signals, which is one of Ofcom's
major concerns as spectrum regulators. From the amateur's perspective, it is
quite an egalitarian arrangement, since the station with a small antenna can
achieve  the same results as the big boys on transmit just by running a bit
more TX power, which for 500kHz is quite low anyway.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Hi Alan, there is not a lot of "accumulated wisdom" on 500kHz yet but most
of the 136khz experience seems to work. The best tutorial for aerials at LF
is the pages by Rik Srobbe ON7YD. You will find a lot else there as well.
http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/  and click on "The 136kHz Amateur Band" in the
left-hand bar.

Low frequency crystals are almost unknown these days. It is so easy to
divide down. Two techniques have been used straight division like Mal
suggests or mixing crystals in the 5 to 6 meg range...pulling one up and the
other down with a 2 gang variable cap. as Dave Sargent recently described.

Have you though of trying at 50p ceramic resonator !! 500kHz is a stadard
frequency for these and they are fairly "bendable" so may come up into the
band. I think GW3EUP uses one.

You will find a spreadsheet on my web site (beside a lot of other junk)
which attemmpts to simplify the ERP calculation.
http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/programs.htm
It is an EXCEL sheet and should download OK.

I hope that helps ...welcome to LF and remember LF=Lotsa Fun !!

Cheers de Alan G3NYK


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> Hello everyone, Alan G3XAQ here. I just joined this mailing list. I'm
> preparing my application for a 501KHz NoV, so Mal's note on an easy
> start is very timely.





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Hello everyone, Alan G3XAQ here. I just joined this mailing list. I'm 
preparing my application for a 501KHz NoV, so Mal's note on an easy 
start is very timely.

For me, there is an even easier route to getting on 600m in that I 
already have a 3 stage transmitter with plug in coils. The only problem 
is I will need a fundamental crystal somewhere in the band. Quartslab 
don't seem to do LF crystals. Does anyone know of a supplier?

Is there an archive anywhere of the aerials folks are using? I'm 
thinking of pressing my 15m high 160m inverted-L into service. The 
vertical section runs quite close to my tower and I was wondering if 
it's worth end loading the wire with a coil, part way along the 
horizontal section, just to get the high voltages away from the tower? I 
know that going from triangular to uniform current distribution (below 
the coil) will raise the radiation resistance 4 times, but since we are 
being licensed on ERP this just means I will need half the aerial 
current. My motivation is tower coupling loss minimisation, seeing as I 
can't measure it, not absolute efficiency. Mind you, all this ERP stuff 
seems a bit bonkers and quite unlike the usual ham licensing approach. 
Who can measure ERP with any accuracy? Why not just give us the usual 
stipulation of tx power at the feedpoint and leave it to all of us to 
make the most efficient aerials we can?

What is de rigeur for the receive aerial? Does everyone use the transmit 
aerial, or should I be thinking about a medium wave DXer's tuned loop?

Sorry for the dumb questions. There doesn't seem to be much on the web 
that is useful for amateur sized gardens. My Services Textbook of Radio 
vol 5 suggests that for MF I should begin by erecting a 100m tower...

I hope to get the NoV application off by the weekend. See you all on the 
band soon.

Alan G3XAQ

In message <000a01c785dd$456ebba0$79e8fc3e@g3kev>, hamilton mal 
<g3kev.ham@virgin.net> writes
>Hi All
>An Easy Start solution for 500 is to use an existing HF rig modified for 5
>mhz tx at low power, then shape the sine wave to sq wave  with a single chip
>and divide by 10 with another chip then a driver chip to a fet pa, then lpf
>and you are in business. A single fet class E pa is sure fire and so simple
>to build. Mine went first time.
>My solution for an exciter is an IC 706 on 5 mhz and also used on 13.7 mhz
>for LF used. This is a vy stable sig source.
>If anyone needs more info about type of chips etc let me know.
>73 de Mal/G3KEV
>
>
>

-- 

Cheers,

Alan G3XAQ
alan@g3xaq.demon.co.uk



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Hi All
An Easy Start solution for 500 is to use an existing HF rig modified for 5
mhz tx at low power, then shape the sine wave to sq wave  with a single chip
and divide by 10 with another chip then a driver chip to a fet pa, then lpf
and you are in business. A single fet class E pa is sure fire and so simple
to build. Mine went first time.
My solution for an exciter is an IC 706 on 5 mhz and also used on 13.7 mhz
for LF used. This is a vy stable sig source.
If anyone needs more info about type of chips etc let me know.
73 de Mal/G3KEV



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Hi David,

thanks for the captures of reception of ZM2E. I don't recall our signals =
having been captured in VK6 before. Any sign of an amateur LF allocation =
over there?

Mike ZL4OL
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Hi All,
 
a rather belated thank you to the people who responded to my e-mail  below.  
A simple answer has been sent off so now it is  a matter of waiting.
 
73, Peter G3JFS
 
 
In a message dated 28/04/2007 07:45:16 Greenwich Standard Time, ColePe  
writes:

Hullo All,
 
In my application for an NOV I indicated that erp would be assessed using  
the table published by Alan G3NYK and measuring the aerial current. I have  
received the following request from OFCOM:
 
 
"Thank you for your recent  application for a Special Research Permit to 
operate in the bands 501 -504kHz.  Your application is currently being processed 
pending  authorisation. 
Whilst this is in  motion I would just like to  request further information.  
i)                     Could you please  provide a statement on how you 
propose to control your transmissions to within  the maximum limit of <-10dBW 
ii)                    Also please provide  a plan view of the aerial system 
along with complete details of wire lengths  and heights. Also giving 
relationships to boundary fences, neighbouring  buildings etc 
I appreciate that  this was not an explicit requirement in the original 
application however we do  still need this information." 
The site plan is no  problem, just a hassle, though the RSGB guidelines 
indicated it was not  necessary because of the distance between my aerial and  
boundaries/neighbours. 
To avoid more delay  any suggestions as to how best to respond?  Also as a 
matter of interest  what sort of figures are current users getting in the way of 
efficiency,  aerial current and transmitter power output to achieve 100mW 
erp?  I  shall be using a 120 ft end fed wire, 30 ft high on a steeply sloping 
site  surrounded on three sides by very tall trees over very poor (RF)  ground. 
73 Peter  G3JFS



 



   

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  <DIV>In my application for an NOV I indicated that erp would be assessed u=
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  <P class=3DMsoNormal><FONT size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial color=3Dblack><SPAN=
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The DFCW signal from VO1NA is visible here since about 20:40.

73
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Hi Gary, I have just put Spectran on averageing (0.67Hz resolution) and I
see nothing on that frequency here, though I can just see is set of very
weak 50Hz line sidebands.

Hope that helps
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
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> Hi All,
>
> I have been seeing a UNID signal (just audible) both day & night, I don't
> think it is local to me, the signal is continuous carrier at about 501.920
> kHz. Does anyone else see it or know its ID. If not I will investigate for
a
> local source.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>
>



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Hi Dave,

Your signal caputured at about 1950z, frequency here shows about 503.330 
kHz.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp




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G3WCB is in beacon mode DFCW3 on 503.350 kHz for antenna tests from 18:30
utc until 2130 utc tonight.

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Colin, LF,

Thanks for the QSO. Sorry about the ropey CW...I had the key balanced on my
knee. Your signals were peaking 579, and quite a bit stronger than this
afternoon. (Screenshot attached, showing your sigs 20 dB above the noise
floor)

Your rig seems similar to the "Para Set" that G3VA likes so much! I'm
running 10W from a single FET PA to a 20m long "Tee" (not 60m as I sent) at
5m, which is resonated with a 20cm dia loading coil which includes a
variometer. The ERP is estimated to be between 25 and 50 mW, and the RX is
an ICOM IC-R1000 with a tuned pre-amp.

CW seems to be the main mode on this band, and most people seem to be able
to work up and down the country with no problems. I can also run QRSS and
DFCW, but these modes are more suited to long distance DX work, and as Mal
G3KEV has observed, these modes don't work too well on 500 kHz becaue of the
relatively rapid and deep QSB.

73 and good luck on the band

Dave G3WCB IO91RM Iver Nr Slough/Windsor.
  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of G3vtt@aol.com
  Sent: 20 April 2007 17:19
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: LF: 500-Hooray!


  'afternoon all,

  I had the NoV arrive today and got on the air at 1520z with G3KEV. I've
since worked G3UNT. The statio here is simple, just a 6L6 c/o at 2w and a
two valve 6SK7 regen receiver. Kindly do not laugh, it works well. The
receiver is stunning to say the least.

  I have a new three stage transmitter on the stocks and an upconverter
using 'fire fet' technology. The antenna is a 20m dipole at 30 ft with the
feeders strapped and an ex navy variometer. My garden is tiny, only 35ft by
45 ft, although I have an extensive radial system stretching out into the
field and under the new driveway.

  Hopefully I will work many of you before too long. I would like to thank
GI3PDN and G3ROO for their encouragement in getting on the band. Hopefully
the operations on '5 ton' will remain as in true amateur radio form with
homebrew, low power, self training and, at last, not a contest in sight. As
I was told by GI3PDN -'there are no pot hunters around'.

  73

  Colin G3VTT

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D168205620-20042007>Colin, LF,</SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D168205620-20042007></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D168205620-20042007>Thanks for the QSO. Sorry about =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D168205620-20042007>Your rig seems similar to the =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D168205620-20042007>CW seems to be the main mode on =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D168205620-20042007>73 and good luck on the =
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D168205620-20042007></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D168205620-20042007>Dave G3WCB IO91RM Iver Nr=20
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Good Morning,
 
I presume a beacon has appeared on 502 which I am informed is PA2NL  using 
QRSS. Does anybody have any further information on this activity? He is a  
strong signal here in North Kent peaking S9.
 
I have no problems with data modes beacons and the like but I feel they  
should be higher in the band. Currently he close to the working frequencies of  
the more active CW stations regularly swapping reports.
 
( PA2NL als je kijk aan de bild - geen storing a.u.b. OM, iets hooger en  heb 
jij nog  'n  seinsleutel? Bedankt!)
 
73
 
G3VTT



   

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Hi all
Last nite GW3UEP suddenly appeared on 501.2 khz at 1925 z and peaked to 579
then disappeared again in qsb and was never heard again!!!!!
Rog there is vy unsual condx between your qth and mine and it seems one way
cos I believe you can hear me all the time but not the reverse.
Email direct to you was returned.
73 de Mal/G3KEV



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Dick Rollema PA0SE designed a very effective meter and calibration system
for measuring ERP
This can be found in Peter Dodds book "The Low Frequency Experimenters
Handbook"
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I offered this as my means of establishing ERP and had no problems with
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Dick Rollema PA0SE designed a very effective meter and calibration system for measuring ERP<br>
This can be found in Peter Dodds book &quot;The Low Frequency Experimenters Handbook&quot;<br>
on page 83<br>
I offered this as my means of establishing ERP and had no problems with OFCOM.<br>
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Last night good copy of :

WD2XES 01:50 > 03:00
VE3OT  05:15 > 05:45 ( partial copy )

the files of night are filed each day at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht




























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Hi Rog
There appears to be no surface wave from ur qth this way during =
daytime.You must be vy qrppppp because I can copy all the others that =
are active on the band. GW4HXO is a good signal with me but he has a bad =
BB qrn problem and can only hear a cple of stn.
73 de mal/g3kev

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  Mal,
  Solid gndwave at 1220/30 - called you several times.
  Rog.
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There appears to be no surface wave =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Solid gndwave&nbsp;at 1220/30 - called you =
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Rog for some reason I cannot hear u during daytime, you are the only stn =
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cul de mal/g3kev
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  Mal,
  Solid gndwave at 1220/30 - called you several times.
  Rog.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Rog for some reason I cannot hear u =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Mal,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Solid gndwave&nbsp;at 1220/30 - called you =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Rog.</FONT></DIV>
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nice signal,

capture 21:30 utc
pa3cpm jo22mb

73 henny..

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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>nice signal,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>capture 21:30 utc</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>pa3cpm jo22mb</FONT></DIV>
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On 11 Apr 2007 at 21:25, Gw3UEP wrote:

> G3UNT solid copy 2100bst - replied several times but no response.
> 
> G3ROO also hrd & called earlier in week.
> 
> Rog / Gw3UEP.

I hope that frequency was an typo in the subject line ......

By the way do others get a weakish data transmission on 503.6kHz or 
is it a receiver sproggy here?? I had problems copying 'UNT under it 
the other night.

73 Dave G3YMC

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G3UNT solid copy 2100bst - replied several times but no response.

G3ROO also hrd & called earlier in week.

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PA2 beacon very strong here also, on the south coast.

Interesting antenna effect:-
I run a pair of large grounded loops situated close to the main TX antenna
(inv L )
These have worked very well on 136 and are quite directional, providing
useful
improvement in SNR. On 500kHz however they are not directional, at least not
in the right directions.
I have spent several hours trying to find out what has gone wrong with them
!
By chance this morning I left the TX ant. grounded and was surprised to find
that
the loops are now directional. So it looks like there is much more coupling
between the
TX and RX ants on 500 than 136.
Could this simply be capacitive ? perhaps I need smaller loops?
Anyway if you are running a RX loop close to your TX antenna, beware.
73 Laurie.

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PA2 beacon very strong here also, on the south coast.<br>
<br>
Interesting antenna effect:-<br>
I run a pair of large grounded loops situated close to the main TX antenna (inv L )<br>
These have worked very well on 136 and are quite directional, providing useful<br>
improvement in SNR. On 500kHz however they are not directional, at least not<br>
in the right directions.<br>
I have spent several hours trying to find out what has gone wrong with them !<br>
By chance this morning I left the TX ant. grounded and was surprised to find that<br>
the loops are now directional. So it looks like there is much more coupling between the<br>
TX and RX ants on 500 than 136.<br>
Could this simply be capacitive ? perhaps I need smaller loops?<br>
Anyway if you are running a RX loop close to your TX antenna, beware.<br>
73 Laurie.<br>

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Many thanks, Victor, for nice capture of my beacon early in the evening.
That was only 0,4W ERP. Please give me your address, I would like to send
you the DI2AG-QSL directly.
73
Walter DI2AG / DJ2LF

-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Victor van Kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>
An: blacksheep <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; AAQ <pb0aaq@casema.nl>; cp=
m
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Betreff: LF: DI2AG


>Captured at 505.09 KHz
>19:30 UTC
>RX Racal 1771
>Ant active whip
>
>73
>Victor
>PA3FNY
>JO22NC



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On 4 Apr 2007 at 21:08, Dave G3WCB wrote:

> Hi, Gary.
> 
> Yes, the frequency is 503.330 +/- 2Hz DFCW shift. It was going to be
> 503.350, before I put the lid on the oscillator ;-)
> 
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
> 

And thanks for the frequency check (on my at present uncalibrated 
receiver). 599 here in Bracknell IO91PJ on my untuned longwire. The 
readout says 503.300 so not that far out...

Job for the weekend is to prepare the NOV application...

73 Dave G3YMC

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Hi, Gary.

Yes, the frequency is 503.330 +/- 2Hz DFCW shift. It was going to be
503.350, before I put the lid on the oscillator ;-)

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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Hi Dave,

Your signal caputured at about 1950z, frequency here shows about 503.330
kHz.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp




----- Original Message -----

G3WCB is in beacon mode DFCW3 on 503.350 kHz for antenna tests from 18:30
utc until 2130 utc tonight.




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skip distance  ??

Bob K3DJC


On Thu, 26 Apr 2007 05:27:36 -0800 "Laurence KL1X"
<hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com> writes:
> What ho - we are down in Singapore apartment hunting (no way can we 
> afford a 
> house here by the looks of it....)
> 
> Ive thrown out the LF probe out of the hotel balcony - into the 
> SDRIQ, and 
> its a cut of a thousand lightning strokes...can barely hear Loran 
> this 
> evening.
> 
> Its been poor weather here for the past few days so little chance of 
> dx.
> 
> Any one done any short studies of lightning emfs' at different 
> freqs? - Ive 
> read a few saying most/some of the power is at VLF, stroke 
> source/target, 
> length and angle dependant, but Im definately seeing a cut at around 
> >400Khz 
> - below this the noise rises to be pretty flat but above 400Khz its 
> 
> amplitude is generally many dbs/octave down - this just due to 
> propagational 
> modes?
> Doesnt seem to matter day or night too much - perhaps my probe has 
> some 
> issues, but I see the same on most antennae....
> 
> Cheers
> Laurence
> Singapore, rainy, stormy....
> 
> _________________________________________________________________
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> 


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What ho - we are down in Singapore apartment hunting (no way can we afford a 
house here by the looks of it....)

Ive thrown out the LF probe out of the hotel balcony - into the SDRIQ, and 
its a cut of a thousand lightning strokes...can barely hear Loran this 
evening.

Its been poor weather here for the past few days so little chance of dx.

Any one done any short studies of lightning emfs' at different freqs? - Ive 
read a few saying most/some of the power is at VLF, stroke source/target, 
length and angle dependant, but Im definately seeing a cut at around >400Khz 
- below this the noise rises to be pretty flat but above 400Khz its 
amplitude is generally many dbs/octave down - this just due to propagational 
modes?
Doesnt seem to matter day or night too much - perhaps my probe has some 
issues, but I see the same on most antennae....

Cheers
Laurence
Singapore, rainy, stormy....

_________________________________________________________________
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'evening men,
 
Just had a phone call from Holland. PA0CWF Piet is listening on 501 - 504  
with his B41 receiver. He has heard both G3KEV and myself at 579 also G3ROO last 
 week.
 
Piet lives at Bergen op Zoom which is in southern Holland close to the  
Belgian border. As an ex MF marine operator he is keen to get going on the  band.
 
Wonder how long before other countries get permission. The pressure is  
mounting......!
 
Incidentally G3YVF and G3XAQ are applying for NoV's.
 
Carry on men!
 
72/73
 
Colin G3VTT



   

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Hi Walter,

Full call sign captured at 2033z.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
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Hi Walter,

Just seeing your signal tho' not complete yet.

BHZ (Gus) is audible.

Capture shows 1934z to 1937z.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp


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I have just started DI2AG with 2W ERP

73   Walter   DI2AG / DJ2LF

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Bob,

Congratulations on the copying the signal, and the two way, non-QSO.  I have 
had lots of those on LF.  :o)    Special thanks, too for confirming the 
signal and making the note on which this experimental license period ends a 
good one.

12227 km is the longest distance from which LF traces of VY1JA have been 
copied, and from which I have copied traces as well. Not bad for 80 Watts.

Sorry, I cannot continue trying tonight and tomorrow, but the long nights 
are too tough on me so soon after pneumonia so the transmitting side of 
things has been dismantled to keep me from being tempted to kill myself.  It 
is my hope that at least one of the others will make solid contact with you 
over even greater distance.

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Last night good copy of :

WD2XES 00:00 > 02:10

the files of night are filed each day at :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht




























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Once more snapshot of signals DI2AG / SM6MHZ. This time peak of signals.
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Hi Nicolas,

Thanks for the report.  Will try again tonight.

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On Sat, 7 Apr 2007 F4DTL@aol.com wrote:

> Hi Joe nice copy again last night in JN18FP.
> first signal at 2200 Z


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Hi Joe nice copy again last night in JN18FP.
first signal at 2200 Z
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Hi all,

No signals were seen in the Argo noise at Quartz Hill last night.  We see 
from reflector reports that ZM2E was received in Australia and Yukon, 
Canada, so there was some DX propagation.  For us, Saturday night was 
definitely the best LF DX of the three nights.  We note that ZM2E was 
received by J VY1JA each night, over a nominal 12227 km path.

The ZM2E equipment performed well over the three nights of LF operation.  We 
beaconed on schedule as notified to other stations and we also listened out 
on the time slots for their scheduled beacons.

ZM2E operators were ZL2CA, ZL4OL and ZL4DP.

73, Bob ZL2CA and Mike ZL4OL 




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Hi all.
 
I've had a couple of mails asking about harmonic filters for 500kHz  
transmitters.
 
I sat down today and built a 7 element Chebyshev low pass.
 
It seems quite forgiving on components and gives -41dB at 2nd harmonic and  
-66dB at the third.
 
Details at:     _www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/lpf.htm_ 
(http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/lpf.htm) 
 
Thanks
 
David  G0MRF



   

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<DIV>I've had a couple of mails asking about harmonic filters for 500kHz=20
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<DIV>I sat down today and built a 7 element Chebyshev low pass.</DIV>
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Hi Mal & LF,

We had better find out if it is a legal station on 500 KHz before thinking 
about QSO's.

73

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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> Does anyone have the secret route to PA2NL to get him into QSO mode????
>
> 73 Mal/G3KEV
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> 



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Hi all,

Something is "bouncing" our ZM2E 31 March log report.  Following is the key 
excerpt of who we copied that night.

73, Bob ZL2CA and Mike ZL4OL

Nothing seen of a V from VO1NA.  Several Js copied from VY1JA, starting from
0930z T copy, then M copy 1030z thru 1130z, then back ot T copy at 1200z.
Nil J from then on.  O copy of U from UA0AET at 1230z and 1300z, then nil at
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of U and T copy of X.  At 1600z we got O copy of U and nil of X, at 1630z O
copy of U and M copy of X.  1700z we got T copy of both U and X.  1730 M
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Sorry, guys, for the double mail, I thought I hadn't sent the first one and
couldn't find it on my computer for some strange reason so I re-wrote it.
Also, QRG is corrected, 505,015 kHz is the current transmitting frequency of
DI2BO.

73

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO




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Hi All
There is a new signal on 524 khz, broad band, multi tone type.
:Loud with me, and well away from 501/4 khz
73 de Mal/G3KEV



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Dear Victor,
         tnx fer nice screenshots with BHZ, BI and AG.
73   Walter   DI2AG / DJ2LF


-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Victor van Kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>
An: blacksheep <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Dienstag, 10. April 2007 19:22
Betreff: LF: 500KHz,DI2AG,DI2BO,BHZ


>Capture of DI2AG and BHZ peaked 21:15 UTC this night
>Capture of DI2BO peaked 00:15 UTC
>
>73
>Victor
>PA3FNY



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Mike, Bob, and All,

ZM2E Day 3 capture.  Taken by Argo at VY1JA at11:43 at 60 second dit and 
normal speed. Again on untuned 100' vertical with FT-990.

Very nice signal again, guys.

J 

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Dear Henny,
          the signal you saw was DI2AG in JN59NO ( near Nuernberg ) with =
0,4W ERP in QRSS3 and identification in regular CW.
Seems to be strong. Please Henny give me your address, I would like to =
send the QSL from DI2AG directly.
73   Walter     DI2AG / DJ2LF

  -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
  Von: henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>
  An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
  Datum: Dienstag, 10. April 2007 01:29
  Betreff: LF: Fw: E-mail met bijlage (attachment): bo.jpg


  nice signal di2bo  time 21:30 utc

  henny pa3cpm

  jo22mb  ant racal actif 60cm rec:r&schwarz     ek891                   =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>nice signal di2bo&nbsp; time 21:30=20
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Hello Geri!
Thanks for very interesting informations and for your ERP
field-measurements. It is really incredible, that I can take snapshot
DI2BO in as good quality as I sent you some days before.
It is fine, you practice DI2BO with 1.7mW ERP only. DI2AG and BHZ are
more stronger (DI2AG especially) and it is useful to have a chance
testing RX, ANT and PC receiving signal near the noise.
(I have got Praecitronic GF61, MV61, SV61 as well. Good for my LF
experiments!)
GL and 73!
 
Lubos, OK2BVG
 
**********************************************************************

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Holger 'Geri',
DK8KW
Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2007 2:27 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: [500 kHz] DI2BO has 1.7 mW ERP!
 
Hello Dave and also all the others observing DI2BO (and the other
beacons on 500 kHz),
 
 
Today the weather was fine and I took the chance to drive around and do
some ERP field-measurements. 
 
Technically I used the MV-62 Measurement Receiver that reads the signal
strength in dBu. As an antenna I used a simple open loop with 1 m
diameter. To measure the distance to DI2BO I used a Garmin XL-45
handheld GPS system.
 
Mathematically I used a set of formulas that Markus, DF6NM helped me to
develop (thanks, Markus!). These formuals come up with the EIRP, the
effective radiated power above an isotropic radiator. For those
interested in the forumas, please find attached a samle XLS file. For
techical details, please ask Markus, he is much of an expert in this
than I am ;-)
 
Next I used some ITU definitions to convert EIRP to ERP (DEFINITIONS OF
RADIATION IN LF, MF AND HF BROADCASTING BANDS),  in which is stated:  
 
 
The value of the e.r.p. is related to the e.i.r.p. by the expression:
e.r.p. = 0.61 e.i.r.p. (linear scale)
e.r.p. = e.i.r.p. - 2.2 dB (logarithmic scale)
 
Here are the results, measured at three different locations: 
1,02 km distnce: 1,63 mW ERP
1,57 km distance: 1,85 mW ERP    
2,01 km distance: 1,56 mW ERP

The average of these three measurementsis around 1,7 mW ERP!
This makes alle your observations even more astonishing. I would not
have guessed that a 500 kHz at that ERP level signal would span that
distance, espeically audiably. With this low power level it also shows
the important efect of QSB from variations in the ionosphere.
Until further notice DI2BO will transmit on 505,015 kHz with 1,7 Watt
ERP day and night (24/7), so please keep watching and observing and keep
thos reports coming in.
Best 73
Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO 
DI2BO: antenna system is a "long wire", simply about 8 m wire vertically
up to a 10m mast, then another 8m wite horizontally to the roof of my
house. OOutpur power is around 10 Watt (DEBEG 7121 on "reduced power"). 
 
 
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Sergeant" < <mailto:dave@davesergeant.com>
dave@davesergeant.com>
To: < <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 7:39 AM
Subject: Re: LF: DI2BO
 
> Just to report that when I came back into the shack at 2100z DI2BO 
> was clearly audible to my ears, peaking 439 here in Bracknell IO91PJ. 
> I was rather amused to clearly hear it send its CW id 'DI2AG' !! 
> GI4DPE was also heard beaconing in normal CW around 501.15.
> 
> This maybe highlights the problem with QRSS on 500kHz. I have already 
> noted slow and very deep QSB on many signals. While I was watching 
> DI2BO on Argo last night I found that it would pop above my noise 
> level for only 1 out of 3 or 4 callsign sequences and between that 
> there was little more than the odd dot visible. When it appeared most 
> but never all of a complete call was visible and it clearly peaked 
> quite strong for just a few characters. If I had not known what the 
> call was I would have had to listen a long time to postively identify 
> it. However when it sent its ID on normal CW when listening without 
> Argo later that was copyable in its entirety (admittedly wrong!).
> 
> 73 Dave G3YMC
> 
> 
> 
>  <http://www.davesergeant.com> http://www.davesergeant.com
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Hello Geri!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Thanks for very interesting informations and for your =
ERP
field-measurements. It is really incredible, that I can take snapshot =
DI2BO in
as good quality as I sent you some days =
before.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>It is fine, you practice DI2BO with 1.7mW ERP only. =
DI2AG and
BHZ are more stronger (DI2AG especially) and it is useful to have a =
chance testing
RX, ANT and PC receiving signal near the =
noise.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>(I have got Praecitronic GF61, MV61, SV61 as well. =
Good for
my LF experiments!)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>GL and 73!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Lubos, OK2BVG<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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font-family:Arial'>******************************************************=
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style=3D'mso-spacerun:yes'>=A0</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DTahoma><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
Message-----<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b>
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] <b><span
style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Holger 'Geri', =
DK8KW<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Sunday, April 15, =
2007 2:27
AM<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> LF: [500 kHz] =
DI2BO has
1.7 mW ERP!</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Hello Dave and also all the =
others
observing DI2BO (and the other beacons on 500 =
kHz),</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D3
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style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Today the weather was fine =
and I
took the chance to drive around and do some ERP field-measurements. =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Technically I used the =
MV-62
Measurement Receiver that reads the signal strength in dBu. As an =
antenna I
used a simple open loop with 1 m diameter. To measure the distance to =
DI2BO I
used a Garmin XL-45 handheld =
GPS&nbsp;system.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Mathematically I used a set =
of
formulas that Markus, DF6NM&nbsp;helped me to develop (thanks,
Markus!).&nbsp;These formuals come&nbsp;up with the EIRP, the effective
radiated power above an isotropic radiator. For those interested in the
forumas, please find attached a samle XLS file. For techical details, =
please
ask Markus, he is much of an expert in this than I am =
;-)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Next I used some ITU =
definitions to
convert EIRP to ERP (DEFINITIONS OF RADIATION IN LF, MF AND HF =
BROADCASTING
BANDS),&nbsp;&nbsp;in which is stated:&nbsp; =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>The value of the e.r.p. is =
related
to the e.i.r.p. by the expression:</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>e.r.p. =3D 0.61 e.i.r.p. (linear =
scale)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>e.r.p. =3D e.i.r.p. &#8211; 2.2 dB =
(logarithmic scale)</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Here are the results, measured at three =
different
locations: </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>1,02 km distnce: 1,63 mW ERP<br>
1,57 km distance: 1,85 mW ERP&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
2,01 km distance: 1,56 mW ERP<br>
<br>
The average of these three measurementsis around 1,7 mW =
ERP!</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>This makes alle your observations even more
astonishing. I would not have guessed that a 500 kHz at that ERP level =
signal
would span that distance, espeically audiably.&nbsp;With this low power =
level
it also shows the important efect of QSB from variations in the =
ionosphere.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Until further notice DI2BO will transmit on =
505,015
kHz with 1,7 Watt ERP day and night (24/7), so please keep watching and
observing and keep thos reports coming in.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Best 73</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO =
</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>DI2BO: antenna system is a &quot;long =
wire&quot;,
simply about 8 m wire vertically up to a 10m mast, then another 8m wite
horizontally to the roof of my house. OOutpur power is around 10 Watt =
(DEBEG
7121 on &quot;reduced power&quot;). </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

<p style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New =
Roman"><span
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>----- Original Message =
----- </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>From: &quot;Dave =
Sergeant&quot; &lt;</span></font><a
href=3D"mailto:dave@davesergeant.com"><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>dave@davesergeant.com</span>=
</font></a><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&gt;</span></font><o:p></o:p=
></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>To: &lt;</span></font><a
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</span></font></a><font
size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&gt;</span></font><o:p></o:p=
></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Sent: Saturday, April 14, =
2007 7:39
AM</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

</div>

<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Subject: Re: LF: =
DI2BO</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>

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<div>

<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D3
face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
style=3D'font-size:12.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></font></p>

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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:35.4pt'><font size=3D2 =
face=3DArial><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&gt; Just to report that =
when I came
back into the shack at 2100z DI2BO <br>
&gt; was clearly audible to my ears, peaking 439 here in Bracknell =
IO91PJ. <br>
&gt; I was rather amused to clearly hear it send its CW id 'DI2AG' !! =
<br>
&gt; GI4DPE was also heard beaconing in normal CW around 501.15.<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; This maybe highlights the problem with QRSS on 500kHz. I have =
already <br>
&gt; noted slow and very deep QSB on many signals. While I was watching =
<br>
&gt; DI2BO on Argo last night I found that it would pop above my noise =
<br>
&gt; level for only 1 out of 3 or 4 callsign sequences and between that =
<br>
&gt; there was little more than the odd dot visible. When it appeared =
most <br>
&gt; but never all of a complete call was visible and it clearly peaked =
<br>
&gt; quite strong for just a few characters. If I had not known what the =
<br>
&gt; call was I would have had to listen a long time to postively =
identify <br>
&gt; it. However when it sent its ID on normal CW when listening without =
<br>
&gt; Argo later that was copyable in its entirety (admittedly =
wrong!).<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 73 Dave G3YMC<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; </span></font><a href=3D"http://www.davesergeant.com"><font =
size=3D2
face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>http://www.davesergeant.com<=
/span></font></a><br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>&gt; <br>
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Dear Henny,
           tnx fer nice copy. Pwr was only o,4W ERP.
Mni tnx.  Walter   DI2AG / DJ2LF
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-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: henny van elst <cpm@planet.nl>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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  nice copy di2ag
  20:30 utc
  ant. sloper 7meter
  jo22mb
  henny cpm  73.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Dear Henny,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT =
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tnx fer nice copy. Pwr was only o,4W ERP.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Mni tnx.&nbsp; Walter&nbsp;&nbsp; DI2AG / =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial><FONT size=3D2><B>-----Urspr=FCngliche=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>20:30 utc</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ant. sloper 7meter</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>jo22mb</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>henny cpm&nbsp;=20
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Hello LFers and MFers,

Pleased to work Jim on 137 kHz yesterday, and to see EW6GB (called him 
in QRSS3 then, and seemed to get a response, but he disappeared in the 
terrible noise then).

Also nice to hear GI4DPE in normal CW on 502 kHz, who was a solid Q 5 
signal hear (S-meter reading meaningless; but that's another story).

Hope to catch EW6GB for a complete 2-way one day, but it's very 
difficult to see weak signals on LF here at the moment.

Greetings everyone,
   Wolf  DL4YHF (LF-op at the club station DF0WD / DK4U; loc JO42FD )


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Dear LF Group,

Was very pleased this evening to work DK4U in Hell mode, followed by EW6GB
in QRSS3, using DFCW. The signal from EW6GB has been quite weak, but very
consistent all evening, so "O" copy here. Congratulations to Andy and Oleg
on successfully activating a new country on LF.

I am now QRV on 136k again after some  months - I have rebuilt my antenna
tuner in a more robust form after it was literally blown to pieces during
one of the gales over winter (the old one was assembled as a "temporary"
measure in 2000, so I can't complain too much!)  I have also built a more
convenient and durable 500kHz tuner so that changing bands is now relatively
straightforward, so if anyone is interested I can now do cross-band
operation between 136k and 500k, either way round, with a little notice.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Hi J,

The ZM2E log shows that in response to your beacon being received here, we 
sent a J from 11.15z. Your reception of dahs on 137776.2 is consistent with 
part of what we transmitted at that time.

Mike ZL4OL

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> Also very noisy in TheYukon.  Red bar with gain at lowest setting.
>
> One LORAN line and two Dahs on 76.2, captured at ~11:20, and they look to 
> strong to be ZL.
>
> J.
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> 




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Tnx for your nice QSL card Walter,

73
Victor

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Walter Staubach
Verzonden: donderdag 12 april 2007 19:29
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Onderwerp: LF: Re: 500KHz,DI2AG,DI2BO,BHZ


Dear Victor,
         tnx fer nice screenshots with BHZ, BI and AG.
73   Walter   DI2AG / DJ2LF


-----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Victor van Kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>
An: blacksheep <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Dienstag, 10. April 2007 19:22
Betreff: LF: 500KHz,DI2AG,DI2BO,BHZ


>Capture of DI2AG and BHZ peaked 21:15 UTC this night
>Capture of DI2BO peaked 00:15 UTC
>
>73
>Victor
>PA3FNY






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<DIV>capture na qrs60</DIV>
<DIV>henny pa3cpm</DIV>
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<DIV>ant.racal actif 60cm</DIV>
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Dear Finbar, thanks fer QSO ur sigs were S9 then dropped to S8. When you
went to short Ant.
I heard you at S5-  S6 equal to my noise but only readability 2 to
3.andthen signal dropped again into noise completely.
So I guess short ant is 12 to 18db down on big ant.
I heard Ray at first but he also dropped into the noise.
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Dear Finbar, thanks fer QSO ur sigs were S9 then dropped to S8. When you went to short Ant.<br>
I heard you at S5-&nbsp; S6 equal to my noise but only readability 2 to 3.and then signal dropped again into noise completely.<br>
So I guess short ant is 12 to 18db down on big ant.<br>
I heard Ray at first but he also dropped into the noise.<br>
Hope this helps, 73 Laurie.<br>
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PA2NL is currently beaconing in QRSS on 502.45. Does anybody know 
about this station? I thought it was somebody doing tx tuning tests 
but then heard Mal 'KEV and Colin G3VTT discussing it. No normal CW 
ID either. Coming here at 599...

Not sure what the permit arrangements are in PA land but it might be 
prudent to keep these beacons at the top edge of the band (right up 
against the second harmonic of RTE...) rather than right in the 
middle of the band. And apart from DX tests at night, there seems 
little merit in QRSS for round G land, we can here them quite well by 
ear!

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Hello Lubos,

thanks for the report. The distance is 617 km, so very good for the few =
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Best 73

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO




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  GE Geri!

  No industrial QRM this evening, so gud time for hunting on 505.015kHz.

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Alan...thanks for  listing the decal paper suplier..I just  happpened  to 
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Many thanks for all the fast replies concerning my panel lettering problems.

I suspect that my hand is not steady enough for a black marker pen and results would prove illegible.
We use white labelling machines at work so may I give that a try on a test panel.
I've ordered some 'decal' paper from E -bay as I'd never come across that before and it sounds just the ticket.

Re the N.O.V. ERP measurement . . . very interesting.
On my application I made an assumption about the radiation resistance ( rightly or wrongly) and worked back to calculate an acceptable aerial current.
It's not too tricky to measure that and keep it within limits.

The current RadCom has an interesting article on 'Understanding Field Strength Measurements' which I've read and re-read several times.
Shoot me down in flames but can't one make an RF probe to measure the volts per metre at a set distance from the aerial and then work back to deduce the radiated power ??

73 Chris G3XIZ




Dave Sergeant <dave@davesergeant.com> wrote: Well I shall be using a black marker pen, like I did on my 5MHz TX.
Never was an artist...

Slowly getting there at G3YMC. TX is now putting a good 8W from a
MRF315 into a dummy load, fed by a G0MRF LPF built with T50-2 cores -
don't use T50-61 ones, they get very hot as I found out... Now
sorting out the bits for an inbuilt swr meter and should be starting
the metal bashing on Monday, so provided the antenna likes it I
should be on air sometime next week.

Interesting to see the comments about NOV details. I supplied a
marked up scaled copy of my deeds map, a photo of the vertical and a
few notes on what I intended to do and how it was impossible to
measure the ERP. NOV came back by return so must have worked - but a
note that I am ultimately responsible to ensure I don't cause any
interference...

73 Dave G3YMC

On 28 Apr 2007 at 20:43, CHRISTOPHER OSBORN wrote:

> I've finished my 500 kc/s TRX and the wiring is quite tidy.
> Any ideas how I can letter up the front panel controls ?
>
> I've tried 'Letraset' but it looked so bad I sanded it off and then
> resprayed the panel. Suggestions would be much appreciated.
>
> I had an interesting RX fault today.
> One of the audio transistors was going intermittent base-collector
> short-circuit. E-Bay transistors - 50 for a �1  - HI !
>
> 73 Chris G3XIZ
>

http://www.davesergeant.com




       
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Many thanks for all the fast replies concerning my panel lettering problems.<br><br>I suspect that my hand is not steady enough for a black marker pen and results would prove illegible.<br>We use white labelling machines at work so may I give that a try on a test panel.<br>I've ordered some 'decal' paper from E -bay as I'd never come across that before and it sounds just the ticket.<br><br>Re the N.O.V. ERP measurement . . . very interesting.<br>On my application I made an assumption about the radiation resistance ( rightly or wrongly) and worked back to calculate an acceptable aerial current.<br>It's not too tricky to measure that and keep it within limits.<br><br>The current RadCom has an interesting article on 'Understanding Field Strength Measurements' which I've read and re-read several times.<br>Shoot me down in flames but can't one make an RF probe to measure the volts per metre at a set distance from the aerial and then work back to deduce the radiated power
 ??<br><br>73 Chris G3XIZ<br><br><br><br><br><b><i>Dave Sergeant &lt;dave@davesergeant.com&gt;</i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> Well I shall be using a black marker pen, like I did on my 5MHz TX.<br>Never was an artist...<br><br>Slowly getting there at G3YMC. TX is now putting a good 8W from a<br>MRF315 into a dummy load, fed by a G0MRF LPF built with T50-2 cores -<br>don't use T50-61 ones, they get very hot as I found out... Now<br>sorting out the bits for an inbuilt swr meter and should be starting<br>the metal bashing on Monday, so provided the antenna likes it I<br>should be on air sometime next week.<br><br>Interesting to see the comments about NOV details. I supplied a<br>marked up scaled copy of my deeds map, a photo of the vertical and a<br>few notes on what I intended to do and how it was impossible to<br>measure the ERP. NOV came back by return so must have worked - but
 a<br>note that I am ultimately responsible to ensure I don't cause any<br>interference...<br><br>73 Dave G3YMC<br><br>On 28 Apr 2007 at 20:43, CHRISTOPHER OSBORN wrote:<br><br>&gt; I've finished my 500 kc/s TRX and the wiring is quite tidy.<br>&gt; Any ideas how I can letter up the front panel controls ?<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I've tried 'Letraset' but it looked so bad I sanded it off and then<br>&gt; resprayed the panel. Suggestions would be much appreciated.<br>&gt;<br>&gt; I had an interesting RX fault today.<br>&gt; One of the audio transistors was going intermittent base-collector<br>&gt; short-circuit. E-Bay transistors - 50 for a �1  - HI !<br>&gt;<br>&gt; 73 Chris G3XIZ<br>&gt;<br><br>http://www.davesergeant.com<br><br><br></blockquote><br><p>&#32;


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Chris,

As someone already mentioned, water-slide decal paper gives a 
professional looking finish. There are varieties for both laser and 
inkjet printers. Your callsign suggests you are probably of a vintage, 
like me, who made Airfix plastic aeroplane kits as a lad. This special 
paper is very similar to the decals you got with the model planes: soak 
in water and slide onto the Hammerite painted panel. You need clear 
spray-on varnish (Humbrol) as well. A UK supplier for both paper and 
varnish is

    http://www.craftycomputerpaper.co.uk

There are loads of CAD programs you could use to produce the printed 
output on the decal paper. I like Front Panel Designer. It does a nice 
job on radial lines for rotary controls and suchlike. Ignore the stuff 
about machined aluminium panels, just print the artwork on your PC's 
printer. Download the package free from here

    http://www.frontpanelexpress.com/download/index.htm

I don't have my own website and I suspect this reflector will reject 
jpegs, but I'll email you a photo of an example finished project 
off-list.

Regards,

Alan G3XAQ



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Well I shall be using a black marker pen, like I did on my 5MHz TX. 
Never was an artist...

Slowly getting there at G3YMC. TX is now putting a good 8W from a 
MRF315 into a dummy load, fed by a G0MRF LPF built with T50-2 cores - 
don't use T50-61 ones, they get very hot as I found out... Now 
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the metal bashing on Monday, so provided the antenna likes it I 
should be on air sometime next week.

Interesting to see the comments about NOV details. I supplied a 
marked up scaled copy of my deeds map, a photo of the vertical and a 
few notes on what I intended to do and how it was impossible to 
measure the ERP. NOV came back by return so must have worked - but a 
note that I am ultimately responsible to ensure I don't cause any 
interference...

73 Dave G3YMC

On 28 Apr 2007 at 20:43, CHRISTOPHER OSBORN wrote:

> I've finished my 500 kc/s TRX and the wiring is quite tidy.
> Any ideas how I can letter up the front panel controls ?
> 
> I've tried 'Letraset' but it looked so bad I sanded it off and then
> resprayed the panel. Suggestions would be much appreciated.
> 
> I had an interesting RX fault today.
> One of the audio transistors was going intermittent base-collector
> short-circuit. E-Bay transistors - 50 for a =A31  - HI !
> 
> 73 Chris G3XIZ
> 

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I've finished my 500 kc/s TRX and the wiring is quite tidy.
Any ideas how I can letter up the front panel controls ?

I've tried 'Letraset' but it looked so bad I sanded it off and then resprayed the panel.
Suggestions would be much appreciated.

I had an interesting RX fault today.
One of the audio transistors was going intermittent base-collector short-circuit.
E-Bay transistors - 50 for a �1  - HI !

73 Chris G3XIZ

       
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