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Hi
Alan.
No room any more for amateur radio acty on 136, the band is now swamped by
S9 plus qrm and CFH is S9 with me this morning at 0900 local.
Nothing yet from the LX boys although I have worked LX1PD several times in
the past on CW during his yr of acty 1999.


----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: Its all happening tonight ...CFH


> Hi all, as well the first period of control "telegrams" from Budapest on
> 135.6 / 8 we have also got a signal from CFH coming up on 137 with a
> "noise-like" MSK transmission. I first saw it at about 2130z but though it
> might be something from Budapest and SXV. It has strengthened in the last
30
> minutes and is now getting quite strong.
>
> Budapest is going to be a problem if it continues using the same protocol
as
> it is sending every second rather than ever 10 to 15 secs as DCF39 does. I
> am getting effects up to 136.25 and occasionally 136.4 and that is 1360km
> away.
>
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
>
>



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Hello,

Last message from home before leaving to LX tonight.

As mentioned earlier we try to have the station running on all bands at =
18 ut, or a bit before.
Situation for 136kHz is rather 'unexpectable' for me, because I really =
don't know what possibilities
for the antennas I'll have, and about local noise etc....

Anyway I will do all I can to be on tomorrow evening.
I will start with normal CW around 136.5kHz, so, keep an eye on that =
frequency, you might get=20
a clue when hearing me tuning the antenna, hi.
Depending upon activety I will go to 137.7 later.

Going QSY from 136.5 CW to 137.7 QRSS will cost some time, as I have to =
retune the variometer,
which will be located up til 50-100m from shack......

Besides 136kHz I would like to crack some hopefully nice CWSSB pile-ups =
on other HF bands as well,
so 136 willbe not 24hours a day on, hihi.
Maybe when working in QRSS/DFCW I might be working on HF in the same =
time.........

About the N1MM logging problems I mentioned in an previous mail , now i =
can tell you that we might have fixed=20
this, so when checking the online log you will find yourself on 136kHz =
when worked.

So, greetings to everybody here in the list, and hope to work you on =
136kHz from LX.
I will be back here in a week.

CU from LX/PA6Z   (JN29xx)


Dick, PA4VHF


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Last message from home before leaving =
to LX=20
tonight.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As mentioned earlier we try to have the =
station=20
running on all bands at 18 ut, or a bit before.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Situation for 136kHz is rather =
'unexpectable' for=20
me, because I really don't know what possibilities</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>for the antennas I'll have, and about =
local noise=20
etc....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Anyway I will do all I can to be on =
tomorrow=20
evening.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will start with <STRONG>normal CW =
around=20
136.5kHz</STRONG>, so, keep an eye on that frequency, you might get=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>a clue when hearing me tuning the =
antenna,=20
hi.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Depending upon activety I will go to =
137.7=20
later.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Going QSY from 136.5 CW to 137.7 QRSS =
will cost=20
some time, as I have to retune the variometer,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>which will be located up til 50-100m =
from=20
shack......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Besides 136kHz I would like to crack =
some hopefully=20
nice CWSSB pile-ups on other HF bands as well,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>so 136 willbe not 24hours a day on,=20
hihi.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe when working in QRSS/DFCW I might =
be=20
working&nbsp;on HF in the same time.........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>About the N1MM logging problems I =
mentioned in an=20
previous mail , now i can tell you that we might have fixed =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>this, so when checking the online log =
you will find=20
yourself on 136kHz when worked.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So, greetings to everybody here in the =
list, and=20
hope to work you on 136kHz from LX.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will be back here in a =
week.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>CU from LX/PA6Z&nbsp;&nbsp; =
(JN29xx)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick, PA4VHF</FONT></DIV>
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Hi all, as well the first period of control "telegrams" from Budapest on
135.6 / 8 we have also got a signal from CFH coming up on 137 with a
"noise-like" MSK transmission. I first saw it at about 2130z but though it
might be something from Budapest and SXV. It has strengthened in the last 30
minutes and is now getting quite strong.

Budapest is going to be a problem if it continues using the same protocol as
it is sending every second rather than ever 10 to 15 secs as DCF39 does. I
am getting effects up to 136.25 and occasionally 136.4 and that is 1360km
away.


Cheers de Alan G3NYK




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Mal,

this are the beacons you heard:

512 KT Narimanovka / Kostanay   MO13pd
510 BL UNID 
510 NK Novokazalinsk            MN15bt  
508 Z  Zilina / Hlinik          JN99hf
493 LD Krasnodar / Pashkhovsky  KN95ob
493 RW Maryino                  KO95cq
496 ER Yerevan                  LN20fd

73
Hartmut

> Beacons hrd around 500 khz last nite.
> KT, BL, NK, Z, LD, RW, ER 496-511 Khz 

> mal/g3kev



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Beacons hrd around 500 khz last nite.
KT, BL, NK, Z, LD, RW, ER 496-511 Khz 

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Dear LF Group,

Also have heard the new "DCF36" (or whatever it will be called) transmitting
FSK bursts for the first time here this morning - previously I have only
heard a carrier from this station. With 300Hz RX BW, the telegrams are quite
objectionable at 136.0kHz, but not really audible at 136.5kHz. I guess if
you are in DL or further east in Europe, it is probably audible further up
the band. On the spectrogram, the upper FSK frequency does seem to be right
on top of SXV, as Alan says. At the moment, they are  transmitting telegrams
every 10s or so, like DCF39, which is a bit of a relief.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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> Hi, Gary and Mal, Yes his is the new Budpest utility station like DCF39.




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Hi Mal & LF,

I think I found the reference to this transmission in my deleted folder:-

***********************

German EFR (Europ�ische Funk-Rundsteuerung) are to broadcast control signals
for utility companies on 135.6kHz from a site near Budapest. Although this
looks like a potential cause of QRM in the band, the present sites at
Mainflingen (129.1kHz) and Burg (139.0) are mostly plain carrier with
occcasional bursts of data and are fairly benign. The English PDF, linked to
above, shows the new TX service area but gives no other information. The
German version quotes it as 100kW with a 280m mast, similar to Mainflingen
in erp.

***********************

73

Gary - G4WGT

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I am surprised that no one has noticed the new QRM on 135.5 khz S9 plus in
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Hi Mal & LF,

I had not been down that end for a while, yes it is strong, 20db over S9
here in NW England. Sounds just like a DCF39 transmission. Wasn't there some
comment on this transmission some time ago?

Gary - G4WGT.

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I am surprised that no one has noticed the new QRM on 135.5 khz S9 plus in
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Mal/G3KEV



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Dick,

28-09-2006, 9:52 MSK(+3 GMT), Dick wrote:
........
D> I am thinking of using QRSS/DFCW 10 in some cases to work the
D> longer distances, weaker stations,
D> but operating times for this are not sure yet.
D> Maybe Ed RU6LA and some others are interested in this (time consuming, hi) speed.
D> Please let me know before friday evening 19utc

All this will depend on local QRM/QRN, real ERP on LX/PA6Z and propagation
(QRB abt 2000km) ...and good readiness of my RX setup
... maybe 10s mode, but I hope that you will see me at 3s ;-)
The next week I'll be free enough for TX/RX on 136

Good luck you in the LF DXpedition to LX!
Pse info abt QTH-loc in Wiltz, LX

73! Ed RU6LA  ed@dx.ru  http://136.73.ru



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Hello all,

2 days to go........

We will have an online log available, but the loggingprogramme (N1MM) =
can't handle 136kHz (yet)
Therefore 136kHz QSO's will be logged on 50.136kHz
Therefore you will find yourself as worked on 6m in the online log, =
instead of 136kHz!

The online log is updated daily.   =20

General DX-pedition info LX/PA6Z on  www.pa6z.nl


If everything goes as planned I will be QRV as early as saturday evening =
and sunday morning after 9utc.
This depends on the progress of building up the antennas, and the =
uncertainty (for me at least) about
the available space/place for the antennas.

Last thing: remember in QRSS and DFCW the call will be LXPA6Z

I will normally use 2 - 3 sec/dot as usual speed.
If possible use DFCW to save time, or work me in normal CW on 136.5kHz

I am thinking of using QRSS/DFCW 10 in some cases to work the longer =
distances, weaker stations,
but operating times for this are not sure yet.
Maybe Ed RU6LA and some others are interested in this (time consuming, =
hi) speed.
Please let me know before friday evening 19utc

73, and CU from LX!

Dick, PA4VHF





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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2 days to go........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We will have an online log available, =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Therefore 136kHz QSO's will be logged =
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50.136kHz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Therefore you will find yourself as =
worked on=20
<STRONG><EM><FONT size=3D3>6m</FONT></EM></STRONG> in the online log, =
instead of=20
136kHz!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The online log is updated =
daily.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>General DX-pedition info LX/PA6Z =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This depends on the progress of =
building up the=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am thinking of using QRSS/DFCW 10 in =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>but operating times for this are not =
sure=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe Ed RU6LA and some others are =
interested in=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73, and CU from LX!</FONT></DIV>
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Dave,

> Just to say I've also been getting fair copy of 'XES and XNS for the 
> past few nights but the static has been strong.

A favor, if you are willing... would you set the T/A grabber screen to 
30 second SLOW? That fits some more time on the screen, and looks a bit 
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John Andrews, W1TAG


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Thanks also from here for those reports. It is always interesting to 
relate them to Alan's propagation forecasts and the current thunderstorm 
situation. Our knowledge of this T/A path has improved greatly in recent 
years. Like Jay, I have been trying to note the DX receptions in my log, 
at least during the warmer months.

Dave: Thanks for putting the T/A grabber back up. I have been checking 
it regularly this week, and have seen both XNS and XES.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES



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Dave

Guess I hadn't checked recently enough...# 2 grabber was off last time I =
looked. Thanks again!

Jay
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Dave Pick=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 7:53 AM
  Subject: Re: LF: T/A last night WD2XES and WD2XNS


  Jay

  No they're all on that page. The second window ( 136_1.jpg ) shows the =
T/A window from about 2200 to 0800 utc. and often a full-band view at =
other times.. but it can be changed round by request.

  Dave.


  On 28/09/06, Jay Rusgrove <JRusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:
    Dave, Jean-Pierre, Hartmut, Alan and other monitoring stations

    Thanks again for the continued reports - I keep track of all =
successful receptions so your reports
    are always noted in the log.

    Dave...do you have a different grabber running other than =
http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ ? That
    one doesn't show the NA DX window...

    Jay W1VD / WD2XNS


    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Dave Pick" < daveyxm@googlemail.com>
    To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
    Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:24 AM
    Subject: Re: LF: T/A last night WD2XES and WD2XNS=20


    > Dear all
    >
    > Just to say I've also been getting fair copy of 'XES and XNS for =
the past
    > few nights but the static has been strong.
    >
    > Dave G3YXM
    >
    > On 28/09/06, Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 < jpm.f1afj@online.fr> =
wrote:
    > >
    > >
    > > Hello all on the list !
    > >
    > > Last night good copy:
    > > WD2XES and WD2XNS
    > >=20
    > > The captures of the night are on :
    > > http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
    > >
    > >
    >
    > --
    > G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK
    >






  --=20
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WD2XES=20
  and WD2XNS</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Jay<BR><BR>No they're all on that page. The second =
window (=20
  136_1.jpg ) shows the T/A window from about 2200 to 0800 utc. and =
often a=20
  full-band view at other times.. but it can be changed round by=20
  request.<BR><BR>Dave.<BR><BR>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3Dgmail_quote>On 28/09/06, <B =
class=3Dgmail_sendername>Jay=20
  Rusgrove</B> &lt;<A=20
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rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">Dave,=20
    Jean-Pierre, Hartmut, Alan and other monitoring =
stations<BR><BR>Thanks again=20
    for the continued reports - I keep track of all successful =
receptions so=20
    your reports<BR>are always noted in the log.<BR><BR>Dave...do you =
have a=20
    different grabber running other than <A=20
    =
href=3D"http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/">http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab=
/</A>=20
    ? That<BR>one doesn't show the NA DX window...<BR><BR>Jay W1VD /=20
    WD2XNS<BR><BR><BR>----- Original Message -----<BR>From: "Dave Pick" =
&lt; <A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:daveyxm@googlemail.com">daveyxm@googlemail.com</A>&gt;<BR>=
To:=20
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href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
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    Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:24 AM<BR>Subject: Re: LF: T/A last =
night=20
    WD2XES and WD2XNS <BR><BR><BR>&gt; Dear all<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Just to =
say I've=20
    also been getting fair copy of 'XES and XNS for the past<BR>&gt; few =
nights=20
    but the static has been strong.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Dave =
G3YXM<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
    On 28/09/06, Jean-Pierre M=C3=A9r=C3=A9 &lt; <A=20
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wrote:<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Hello all on the list !<BR>&gt; =
&gt;<BR>&gt;=20
    &gt; Last night good copy:<BR>&gt; &gt; WD2XES and WD2XNS<BR>&gt; =
&gt;=20
    <BR>&gt; &gt; The captures of the night are on :<BR>&gt; &gt; <A=20
    =
href=3D"http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/">http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/</A><BR>&=
gt;=20
    &gt;<BR>&gt; &gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; --<BR>&gt; G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham =

    UK<BR>&gt;<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><BR clear=3Dall><BR>-- =
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Dave, Jean-Pierre, Hartmut, Alan and other monitoring stations

Thanks again for the continued reports - I keep track of all successful receptions so your reports
are always noted in the log.

Dave...do you have a different grabber running other than http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ ? That
one doesn't show the NA DX window...

Jay W1VD / WD2XNS


----- Original Message ----- 
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Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:24 AM
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> Dear all
>
> Just to say I've also been getting fair copy of 'XES and XNS for the past
> few nights but the static has been strong.
>
> Dave G3YXM
>
> On 28/09/06, Jean-Pierre Méré <jpm.f1afj@online.fr> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello all on the list !
> >
> > Last night good copy:
> > WD2XES and WD2XNS
> >
> > The captures of the night are on :
> > http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
> >
> >
>
> -- 
> G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK
>



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Hello all on the list !

Last night good copy:
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Hello LF group...
=20
It's true, 100kW near Budapest make a strange QRM in lower part of =
136kc. I'm about 100km from Budapest and is unpossible to do anything in =
CW band. On 137.7 is OK. Time to go QRT?
=20
Rich OM2TW

________________________________

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org on behalf of Alan Melia
Sent: so 30. 9. 2006 14:24
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Subject: LF: Re: RE: NEW QRM



Hi Jim I think I may have got the telegram timing wrong I guess it was =
10
secs when I watched....too sleepy. I dont think it will be DCF36 that =
might
offend the Hungarians a bit...it will probably have to something like =
HGF36
I think.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: RE: NEW QRM


> Dear LF Group,
>
> Also have heard the new "DCF36" (or whatever it will be called)
transmitting
> FSK bursts for the first time here this morning - previously I have =
only
> heard a carrier from this station. With 300Hz RX BW, the telegrams are
quite
> objectionable at 136.0kHz, but not really audible at 136.5kHz. I guess =
if
> you are in DL or further east in Europe, it is probably audible =
further up
> the band. On the spectrogram, the upper FSK frequency does seem to be
right
> on top of SXV, as Alan says. At the moment, they are  transmitting
telegrams
> every 10s or so, like DCF39, which is a bit of a relief.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU






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Hi all on the list !

Last night strtong static activity ,
I copy :

WD2XES > 01:00 to 06:00
WD2XNS > 00:30 to 06:00

the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht











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Laurence,

27-09-2006, 12:04 MSK(+3 GMT), Laurence KL1X wrote:

LK> Will be looking for you tonight from PM01�and from the 29th till 4th Oct /9M6�Sabah OJ85

I plan to make the beacons of Sep 30 and Oct 1 from 15 UTC till 18 UTC
in QRSS60 on abt 136.321

73! Ed RU6LA  ed@dx.ru  http://136.73.ru



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Will be looking for you tonight from PM01 and from the 29th till 4th Oct /9=
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> From: vy1ja@northwestel.net> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Date: Wed,=
 27 Sep 2006 03:19:42 +0100> Subject: LF: VY1JA beacon resumed ~137778.4> >=
 I would like to thank those who sent their kind condolances.> Ann and I re=
turned yesterday.> > Failures in beacon transmission were found to be compu=
ter related.  > The station computer failed and an old Dell GX110 was pulle=
d from> the junk pile as the radio computer until the main computer can be>=
 repaired or replaced as necessary.  The GX110 has been controlling> the op=
eration faithfully for about 12 hours, so I believe the problem> is located=
 and temporarily resolved.> > VY1JA has resumed beacon operation on ~137778=
.45 at CP20kw> "JA" at QRSS30 with "VY1JA" at 9 wpm is the repeating transm=
ission at> 150 W output into a 100' vert with two 390 ft horizontal wires s=
loping to> about 60 feet.> > If anyone would like the transmission format o=
r frequency changed, > feel free to ask.> > J.> >=20
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Hello J,
I record every night, nothing considering signal to date !
73 qro Jean-Pierre F1AFJ  in JN06ht

J. Allen a =E9crit :
> I would like to thank those who sent their kind condolances.
> Ann and I returned yesterday.
>
> Failures in beacon transmission were found to be computer related. =20
> The station computer failed and an old Dell GX110 was pulled from
> the junk pile as the radio computer until the main computer can be
> repaired or replaced as necessary.  The GX110 has been controlling
> the operation faithfully for about 12 hours, so I believe the problem
> is located and temporarily resolved.
>
> VY1JA has resumed beacon operation on ~137778.45 at CP20kw
> "JA" at QRSS30 with "VY1JA" at 9 wpm is the repeating transmission at
> 150 W output into a 100' vert with two 390 ft horizontal wires sloping =
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> about 60 feet.
>
> If anyone would like the transmission format or frequency changed,=20
> feel free to ask.
>
> J.
>
>
>
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I would like to thank those who sent their kind condolances.
Ann and I returned yesterday.

Failures in beacon transmission were found to be computer related.  
The station computer failed and an old Dell GX110 was pulled from
the junk pile as the radio computer until the main computer can be
repaired or replaced as necessary.  The GX110 has been controlling
the operation faithfully for about 12 hours, so I believe the problem
is located and temporarily resolved.

VY1JA has resumed beacon operation on ~137778.45 at CP20kw
"JA" at QRSS30 with "VY1JA" at 9 wpm is the repeating transmission at
150 W output into a 100' vert with two 390 ft horizontal wires sloping to
about 60 feet.

If anyone would like the transmission format or frequency changed, 
feel free to ask.

J.



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Dear J.,

no need for apologies, I was never offended by your mails.
After reading that you encountered some problems I just wanted to help by 
giving some of my experience.
And as said, if in any way there seems to be a bug in QRS or if QRS can be 
improved I am always willing to have a look at the code and adapt the software.
In general, if you (or someone else) encounter(s) a possible bug or any 
other problem send me following information:
- describe the bug/problem as accurate as possible, eventually add some 
screen shots
- if possible describe what to did with QRS if that can help me to 
reproduce the bug/problem on one of my computers
- give me some details about your PC: type (eg Pentium 800MHz) and amount 
of RAM memory

Keep up the good work on 136 kHz !

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T



At 05:04 29/09/2006 +0100, you wrote:
>Rik,
>
>It looks like I have made wrong assumptions again.  I am sorry if my words 
>offended you in any way.
>The strong support for you and QRS that has been displayed has encouraged 
>me to get an old laptop out of the cupboard and put only W98 and QRS on it 
>and make it the beacon keyer.
>
>Perhaps then, I can get the fast ID and slow "JA" that I want the beacon 
>to transmit.
>
>Thanks for your work and for your feedback
>
>J.
>
>VY1JA
>


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Rik,

It looks like I have made wrong assumptions again.  I am sorry if my words 
offended you in any way.
The strong support for you and QRS that has been displayed has encouraged me 
to get an old laptop out of the cupboard and put only W98 and QRS on it and 
make it the beacon keyer.

Perhaps then, I can get the fast ID and slow "JA" that I want the beacon to 
transmit.

Thanks for your work and for your feedback

J.

VY1JA 




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Dick,

28-09-2006, 22:57 MSK(+3 GMT), Dick wrote:

D> For Ed , and other interested, the locator is JN29XX

TNX! - KN97LN(my in Machta)-JN29XX -> QRB=2430km (soft by LA0FX)

73! Ed RU6LA  ed@dx.ru  http://136.73.ru



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For Ed , and other interested, the locator is JN29XX

Meanwhile equipement is packed.......

73

Dick, PA4VHF  (LX/PA6Z)




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There have always been aero non directional beacons (NDBs) around 500kHz.

For example, take a look at Martin Francis's (NDB) Signals Received 
Worldwide web page, and put 495kHz to 515kHz into the frequency box

http://www.classaxe.com/dx/ndb/rww/?mode=signal_list

These are only the NDBs that have been received, by what is really only a 
handful of listeners, and not all those that exist


Tracey


> Do you mean the usual Marine/Aero  RDF in the lower 400's or are there new
> near 500?
>
> G3GVB

>> Hi All
>> Is there anyone transmitting yet on 500 khz. I am receiving lots of
> beacons
>> around this freq area from near and far.
>> 73 de Mal/G3KEV
>>



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Hello group,

finally we got together:
LXPA6Z - DK1IS, 2044-2054 UTC, DFCW, OO - OO, but lots of QRN and QSB.

Good luck to all of you es 73

Tom, DK1IS
JN59WK
www.qrz.com/callsign/dk1is

----- Original Message ----- 

> Sorry, I was at CET Summer; LX/PA6Z started cq at 1953 UTC, first in DFCW,
> now in QRSS 3 on 137.720. I`m calling with 400 W, up to now only "QRZ"
from
> him :-)
> Will see what the night will bring.
>
> 73,
> Tom, DK1IS



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Rik is correct.

I worked LX1PD a number of times. The first was on 14 March 1999.

73, Dick, PA0SE

At 10:11 29-9-06, you wrote:
>Dick,
>
>I am not 100% sure but if I remind well LX1PD worked PA (PA0SE ?) and HB9 
>(HB9ASB ?) too.
>
>73, Rik
>
>At 21:26 28/09/2006 +0200, you wrote:
>>Hello , did some look around with google but couldn't find a list with 
>>firsts from LX on 136kHz.
>>Only 5 QSO's found on G3YXM's website:
>>
>>DF2PY-LX1PD     31-01-99
>>F6CNI-LX1PD    15-05-99
>>G3YXM-LX1PD    5-7-98
>>I5MXX-LX1PD    8-5-99
>>ON7YD-LX1PD    20-9-99
>>
>>Any country missing???
>>
>>Would glad to know if an QSO is a first during the expedition.
>>
>>73
>>
>>Dick, pa4vhf
>>
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<font size=3>Rik is correct.<br><br>
I worked LX1PD a number of times. The first was on 14 March
1999.<br><br>
73, Dick, PA0SE<br><br>
At 10:11 29-9-06, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Dick,<br><br>
I am not 100% sure but if I remind well LX1PD worked PA (PA0SE ?) and HB9
(HB9ASB ?) too.<br><br>
73, Rik<br><br>
At 21:26 28/09/2006 +0200, you wrote:<br>
</font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font face="arial" size=2>Hello
, did some look around with google but couldn't find a list with firsts
from LX on 136kHz.</font><font size=3><br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>Only 5 QSO's found on G3YXM's
website:</font><font size=3><br>
&nbsp;<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>DF2PY-LX1PD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
31-01-99</font><font size=3><br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>F6CNI-LX1PD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
15-05-99</font><font size=3><br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>G3YXM-LX1PD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
5-7-98</font><font size=3><br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>I5MXX-LX1PD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
8-5-99</font><font size=3><br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>ON7YD-LX1PD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
20-9-99</font><font size=3><br>
&nbsp;<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>Any country
missing???</font><font size=3><br>
&nbsp;<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>Would glad to know if an QSO is a first
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&nbsp;<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>73</font><font size=3><br>
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Hi all,

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I'm not sure, but also OK1FIG worked LX1PD

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73 de Rich OM2TW

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Dick,

I am not 100% sure but if I remind well LX1PD worked PA (PA0SE ?) and
HB9 (HB9ASB ?) too.

73, Rik

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Hello , did some look around with google but couldn't find a list with
firsts from LX on 136kHz.
Only 5 QSO's found on G3YXM's website:
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DF2PY-LX1PD     31-01-99
F6CNI-LX1PD    15-05-99
G3YXM-LX1PD    5-7-98
I5MXX-LX1PD    8-5-99
ON7YD-LX1PD    20-9-99
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Any country missing???
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Would glad to know if an QSO is a first during the expedition.
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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find a
list with firsts from LX on 136kHz.</span></font><br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Only 5
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<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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&nbsp;<br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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country missing???</span></font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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glad to know if an QSO is a first during the =
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&nbsp;<br>
<font size=3D2 face=3DArial><span =
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Dick,

I am not 100% sure but if I remind well LX1PD worked PA (PA0SE ?) and HB9 
(HB9ASB ?) too.

73, Rik

At 21:26 28/09/2006 +0200, you wrote:
>Hello , did some look around with google but couldn't find a list with 
>firsts from LX on 136kHz.
>Only 5 QSO's found on G3YXM's website:
>
>DF2PY-LX1PD     31-01-99
>F6CNI-LX1PD    15-05-99
>G3YXM-LX1PD    5-7-98
>I5MXX-LX1PD    8-5-99
>ON7YD-LX1PD    20-9-99
>
>Any country missing???
>
>Would glad to know if an QSO is a first during the expedition.
>
>73
>
>Dick, pa4vhf
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Dick,<br><br>
I am not 100% sure but if I remind well LX1PD worked PA (PA0SE ?) and HB9
(HB9ASB ?) too.<br><br>
73, Rik<br><br>
At 21:26 28/09/2006 +0200, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>Hello ,
did some look around with google but couldn't find a list with firsts
from LX on 136kHz.</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Only 5 QSO's found on G3YXM's
website:</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>DF2PY-LX1PD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
31-01-99</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>F6CNI-LX1PD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
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<font face="arial" size=2>G3YXM-LX1PD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
5-7-98</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>I5MXX-LX1PD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
8-5-99</font><br>
<font face="arial" size=2>ON7YD-LX1PD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
20-9-99</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Any country missing???</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Would glad to know if an QSO is a first during
the expedition.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>73</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Dick, pa4vhf</font><br>
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Hello , did some look around with google but couldn't find a list with =
firsts from LX on 136kHz.
Only 5 QSO's found on G3YXM's website:

DF2PY-LX1PD     31-01-99
F6CNI-LX1PD    15-05-99
G3YXM-LX1PD    5-7-98
I5MXX-LX1PD    8-5-99
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Any country missing???

Would glad to know if an QSO is a first during the expedition.

73

Dick, pa4vhf

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I am surprised that no one has noticed the new QRM on 135.5 khz S9 plus in
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Sorry, I was at CET Summer; LX/PA6Z started cq at 1953 UTC, first in DFCW,
now in QRSS 3 on 137.720. I`m calling with 400 W, up to now only "QRZ" from
him :-)
Will see what the night will bring.

73,
Tom, DK1IS


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> First cq at 2153, they seem to have qrm on the rx!
>
> 73 es gd luck
>
> Tom, DK1IS
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First cq at 2153, they seem to have qrm on the rx!

73 es gd luck

Tom, DK1IS
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> Sabine Cremer wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > did anybody get a signal from Dick's DXpedition to LX? I was capturing
around
> > 137.7 kHz the whole day without any trace so I think he was transmitting
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> > the lower part of the band.
> >
> > Sabine
> >
> >
> >
>
> 19:50
> The LX station is on now!
> 73 de NL9222
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Sabine Cremer wrote:
> Hello all,
> did anybody get a signal from Dick's DXpedition to LX? I was capturing around 
> 137.7 kHz the whole day without any trace so I think he was transmitting in 
> the lower part of the band.
> 
> Sabine
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Hello all,
did anybody get a signal from Dick's DXpedition to LX? I was capturing around 
137.7 kHz the whole day without any trace so I think he was transmitting in 
the lower part of the band.

Sabine


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Hi Jim I think I may have got the telegram timing wrong I guess it was 10
secs when I watched....too sleepy. I dont think it will be DCF36 that might
offend the Hungarians a bit...it will probably have to something like HGF36
I think.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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> Dear LF Group,
>
> Also have heard the new "DCF36" (or whatever it will be called)
transmitting
> FSK bursts for the first time here this morning - previously I have only
> heard a carrier from this station. With 300Hz RX BW, the telegrams are
quite
> objectionable at 136.0kHz, but not really audible at 136.5kHz. I guess if
> you are in DL or further east in Europe, it is probably audible further up
> the band. On the spectrogram, the upper FSK frequency does seem to be
right
> on top of SXV, as Alan says. At the moment, they are  transmitting
telegrams
> every 10s or so, like DCF39, which is a bit of a relief.
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU




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Hi, Gary and Mal, Yes his is the new Budpest utility station like DCF39.
What is amazing is that they are transmitting data on the USB, which is the
conventional way, but they are totally annihilating SXV here on 135.8. This
means either the Hellenic Nay is going to have to move to the lower side
band on its allocated frequency or there is likely to be an "international
incident" !

Budpest is huge and is being copied in Indonesia before Euro sunset !! It is
a 100kW station but is nearly twice as far away from the UK as DCF39

Cheers de Alan G3NYK


----- Original Message -----
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> Hi Mal & LF,
>
> I had not been down that end for a while, yes it is strong, 20db over S9
> here in NW England. Sounds just like a DCF39 transmission. Wasn't there
some
> comment on this transmission some time ago?
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of hamilton mal
> Sent: 29 September 2006 19:53
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>
>
> I am surprised that no one has noticed the new QRM on 135.5 khz S9 plus in
> the UK.
> Mal/G3KEV
>
>



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Laurence,

you might get an eye on 137.720kHz +/-60Hz starting tomorrow (saturday) =
as that will be the center frequency
for the LX/PA6Z DX-pedition.
However mostly on dot 3 - dot 5, but later also some dot10 possible.
I hope to create some nice activety across Europe. Maybe a signal =
manages to reach you..........
136.5kHz is usually used for normal CW in Europe.....

73

Dick, PA4VHF   ........from tomorrow LX/PA6Z........


  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  To: alanmelia melia ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
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  Im going to leave the grabber on 136.5 dot 10 overnight and see if =
theres any Eu activity... cheers
  =20
  Laurence 9m6 /kl1x oj85 ...-.-
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>you might get an eye on 137.720kHz +/-60Hz =
starting=20
tomorrow (saturday) as that will be the center frequency</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>for the LX/PA6Z DX-pedition.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>However mostly on dot 3 - dot 5, but later also =
some dot10=20
possible.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>I hope to create some nice activety across =
Europe. Maybe a=20
signal manages to reach you..........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>136.5kHz is usually used for normal CW in=20
Europe.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>73</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Dick, PA4VHF&nbsp;&nbsp; ........from tomorrow=20
LX/PA6Z........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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Hello all,

I will join the 'club' around 137.720kHz around 09utc or so for final =
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Dear all

Odd conditions last night. 'XNS detectable from 2330 but all signals
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Dear all<br><br>Odd conditions last night. 'XNS detectable from 2330 but all signals disappeared at 0230 by which time 'XES was visible too.<br clear="all"><br>Dave<br>-- <br>G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

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Rik,

One more item....

I tried running just the ID sending my call 4 times at 12 wpm and a single 
space in blank message line in the QRSS message, and it was stable as well, 
sending the call 4 times and a long dead space to complete a one minute 
sequence each time.

It worked well that way also.

For some reason it does not like switching from sending QRSS60 to 9 wpm.

What else may be wrong in my setup?

J.




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16./09/2006   1202z

Good signs from DK7SU ~ 137720Hz solid audio too!

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Just more jibberish....

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Thanks for your report on XNS. You caught my brief transmission as I was off for the rest of the
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16./09/2006   0906z

Hello Alan!

Thank you for informations.
I have many things to be learnt...
I join a copy of reception with the loop antenna , the normal delta is 32=
 dB
(0/90 =B0).
The sign is less strong than this night.
QTF min for me is ~195 =B0...Lessay?

VY 73 and TU again.

Jeff F6CWN

------------------------------------


----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 9:46 PM
Subject: LF: Re: 137.745 KHz


> Hi Jeff there is nothing audible here in JO02pb. I seem to remember the=
re
> was always a signal at about 745 (?) and another about 10 Hz up that DF=
'd
> south from the UK. Your report suggest it is not a normally seen signal=
=2E
The
> two I noted were always visible on my Spectran screen, over many years,
> until Rugby Loran started. They were a good guide the rx system was
working
> properly.
>
> 73 Alan G3NYK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: F6CWN <f6cwn@tiscali.fr>
> To: LF/EU <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: 15 September 2006 22:03
> Subject: LF: 137.745 KHz
>
>
> 15./09/2006   2103z
>
>  Good night to all,
> I receive a big carrier on 137.745 KHz at present time.
> Somebody on air or ghost in my reception? (LORAN??)
> 73: Jeff  F6CWN (JN09tt)
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Jay,

no, still the same configuration. The E- field wire strung up the tree is=20
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antenna has been dormant all summer, but I have started to rework it, and ho=
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to be back on air soon.

73 de Markus, DF6NM

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> Thanks to Markus, Jean-Pierre, Alan and Hartmut for the reports. Thought I=
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no, still the same configuration. The E- field wire strung up the tree is us=
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Also, thanks from here. It's nice to see the good conditions. XES will 
be back on tonight. If anyone has a request for another mode, just ask!

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES

Jay Rusgrove wrote:
> Thanks to Markus, Jean-Pierre, Alan and Hartmut for the reports. Thought 
> I caught a glimpse of XNS on your grabber Markus...have you switched 
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Hello all,

I am glad to show you my latest 136kHz stations list, compailed from =
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Please check the list, and please send me additional information/updates =
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Hi All
Anyone that is ready in the USA to TX on 500 khz let me know. I have some
antennas that can be diverted and resonated on that band. I can RX on 500
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Hello Marek,

I am quite sure that I have seen you this morning!
I saw a weak signal somewhere around, that looked like QRSS10...

Sri, for tonight no more time left...

73

Dick, pa4vhf



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Hello Dick,

Dick wrote:
> Well, it took some time, but finally several stations showed up.
>  
> I started calling CQ as early as 07utc, and it took almost 2 hours (!) 
> before anyone else showed up......

Same for me! A pity we didn't hear/see each other. I started calling at 
0700z as well, it took one hour until somebody replied.

> Later I had another problem: soundcard blocking by nearby strong stations.
> Someone decided to work QRSS 10 just within 20Hz from me.........
> That signal blocked everything within 100Hz..... [...]

It was because I decided to listen on QRSS10... My apologies, I couldn't 
know what it may cause at PA4VHF...

Worked OK2BVG (15dB over noise in 100Hz bandwidth) and PA3FNY this morning.

73! Marek SQ5BPM


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Well, it took some time, but finally several stations showed up.

I started calling CQ as early as 07utc, and it took almost 2 hours (!) =
before anyone else showed up......

Later I had another problem: soundcard blocking by nearby strong =
stations.
Someone decided to work QRSS 10 just within 20Hz from me.........
That signal blocked everything within 100Hz.....

Later I grapped some filtering stuff that was left from my NDB-DX =
activeties, and I was able to
use a 24Hz narrow filter and super narrow audionotch system (1-2Hz wide, =
only).

This did help a bit...

I worked DK6NI, F6BWO (Thanks for new country Jeff!) and DM2BHG; now =
14stations from 4 DXCC worked

Again called DK7SU without reply; does he have RX problems, or ran out =
of time???

73

Dick, PA4VHF

now QRT for today ...have to think about the family,hi


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, it took some time, but finally =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I started calling CQ as early as 07utc, =
and it took=20
almost 2 hours (!) before anyone else showed up......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Later I had another problem: soundcard =
blocking by=20
nearby strong stations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Someone decided to work QRSS 10 just =
within 20Hz=20
from me.........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That signal blocked everything within=20
100Hz.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Later I grapped some filtering stuff =
that was left=20
from my NDB-DX activeties, and I was able to</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>use a 24Hz narrow filter and super =
narrow=20
audionotch system (1-2Hz wide, only).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This did help a bit...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I worked DK6NI, F6BWO (Thanks for new =
country=20
Jeff!) and DM2BHG; now 14stations from 4 DXCC worked</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Again called DK7SU without reply; does =
he have RX=20
problems, or ran out of time???</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick, PA4VHF</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>now QRT for today ...have to think =
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Hi all on the list !

Last night verry good copy:
WD2XES > 00:30 to 05:00
WD2XNS > 00:00 to 05:30
the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht











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16./09/2006   0752z

Good signs from DK7SU, audible in JN09tt.

73: Jeff

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Hello all on the list !

Last night good copy:
WD2XES and WD2XNS

The captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

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Hi Dick,

Please add the following updates :-

Tx Antenna - 13 Mtr Top Loaded Vertical
Rx Antenna - 13 Mtr Top Loaded Vertical or G3LNP Loop or PA0RDT Mini-Whip
QSO's - 8 (4 countries)

I will leave the Tx power until everyone has agreed on a standard unit.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT.


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just look at the list if there is wrong data or data missing.

73

Dick, PA4VHF


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Hi Geri

You will be pleased to know that your beacon is audible here.

CQ DE DI2BO JO52BH

on 440 khz approx at 1242 utc today 17/09/2006 rst 429

73 de Mal/G3KEV/SCARBOROUGH/IO94SH


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> Mel,
>
> can you give me a report for DI2BO currently beaconing in 6 WPMCW on 440
> kHz, please?
>
>
> Thanks, best 73
>
> Geri, DK8KW / DI2BI
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> > Hi All
> > Anyone that is ready in the USA to TX on 500 khz let me know. I have
some
> > antennas that can be diverted and resonated on that band. I can RX on
500
> > and TX for xband on 137khz or 1830 khz or any HF band.
> > 73 de Mal/G3KEV
> >
> >
>
>



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If you're generating 1kW of real power, and feeding that into a -30dB
antenna for your 1 Watt ERP, that gives 999 Watts of 'lost' power for you to
extract and light up your bulb.

Andy  G4JNT (still lurking around low frequencies)



-----Original Message-----
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Subject: LF: Re: Re: RE: Strange detector

what puzzles me is that you can energise a bulb   [300 ma x 12.6volts?] at
nearly 4 watts with an ERP of less than 1 watt...........;-))

G3GVB


----- Original Message -----
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> You have been lucky so far. I would disconnect  HF antenna pdq before 
> LF-ing.
>
> Bryan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: 11 September 2006 13:49
> Subject: LF: RE: Strange detector
>
>
> > Hi J & LF,
> >
> > I have a Yaesu FT-747GX & when I Tx LF I see a light shining out of 
> > the
> back
> > slots onto the wall from the Rx antenna fuse bulb. Yes the bulb is 
> > lit
to
> > full brilliance, the operation FT-747GX doesn't appear to have been 
> > effected. LF RF is being picked up on the HF antenna.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Gary - G4WGT.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of J. Allen
> > Sent: 11 September 2006 05:38
> > To: LF (RSGB); LowFER at LW Cafe
> > Subject: LF: Strange detector
> >
> >
> > Haloo Group,
> >
> > I wonder how many here have similar oddities to share....
> >
> > Another part of my hobby is contesting... I have a RAT PAK remote
antenna
> > switch which mounts on the tower which is used for LF.  The RAT PAK
> although
> > not in use on LF has a set of six LEDs to indicate which antenna has
been
> > selected in the shack during HF operation.
> >
> > This is where the odd indication comes in.  Whenever the LF 
> > transmitter keys, all six LEDs glow softly and the brilliance of the 
> > LEDs increase
> with
> > the power level.  It makes a nice indicator that the beacon is 
> > working
and
> > putting out reasonable power.  The first time I keyed down with more
than
> 50
> > watts, it was quite a surprise.  150 Watts glow at what looks like 
> > 1/10
of
> > brilliance.
> >
> > Now lets calculate... if 400 watts turns out to really be 1 W ierp here,
> > full brilliance would mean how many dB above legal limit?   :o)
> >
> > J.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>


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Mel,

can you give me a report for DI2BO currently beaconing in 6 WPMCW on 440
kHz, please?


Thanks, best 73

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BI



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "hamilton mal" <g3kev.ham@virgin.net>
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> Hi All
> Anyone that is ready in the USA to TX on 500 khz let me know. I have some
> antennas that can be diverted and resonated on that band. I can RX on 500
> and TX for xband on 137khz or 1830 khz or any HF band.
> 73 de Mal/G3KEV
>
>



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Again high static level from T-storms over western Europe. A lot of
fading and a bit poorer signal levels of the 3 US part 5 stations
WD2XES, WD2XKO and WD2XNS than the night before. Best time again about
03:00-05:00 UTC. From WD2XKO a carrier was visible about 01:40-02:15.

Again nil from VO1NA on 187.37


Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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In a message dated 14/09/2006 08:10:00 GMT Standard Time,  
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The PA uses an MRF 141G Mosfet device rated for 300  Watts out with 14dB 
gain.  The circuit  itself  is quite simple - see the data sheet for teh MRF141G - 
 and would  have been finished a long time ago but for the output  
transformer. 
Andy   G4JNT


Andy.
 
I've used the transformers from the Granberg application note for the  
MRF151G for comms relays on band 2.  This transformer  arrangement appears very 
efficient and did not need the recommended ferrite  sections.  I would suggest you 
try the 25 ohm coax line transformers but  make them just a little larger 
then Granberg suggests.
Another method is to use two sections of RG58 or its PTFE equivalent in  
parallel to get the correct 25 Ohm impedance. These are not quite so efficient  as 
the semi rigid but are still OK.
 
I don't have a spare semi rigid transformer, but I'll bring one of the  
commercial ones produced by Communications Concepts in the USA on Sunday. You  may 
be able to create an easy way to duplicate it.
 
 
_Communication-Concepts_ (http://www.communication-concepts.com/)  
 
 
Regards
 
David   'MRF

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Not really microwaves and certainly not LF, but hopefully someone can
help...

I've been reminded that I promised to finish a 200 Watt 70MHz solid state
PA, a project started some time ago and got put on hold.  I'm stuck for a
suitable ferrite core for the output transformer.   It needs to match approx
3 ohms load resistance to 50 ohm output.  The windings will be made using
either conventional wire as in HF PAs, or made from semirigid coax with
shunt outer, series inner.  The latter will need a physiacally larger core
to accomodate the wire thickness.

Some cores I did have that 'ought' to have worked taken from a 35 watt
broadband PA (0.5 to 1000MHz) failed miserably and got seriously hot no
matter what winding configuration was used.  In that original PA they were
acting only as common mode chokes and presumably didn't have to carry nearly
so much flux.

Does anyone have details of a suitable core/material, or better still have a
core going spare   :-)

The PA uses an MRF 141G Mosfet device rated for 300 Watts out with 14dB
gain.  The circuit  itself is quite simple - see the data sheet for teh
MRF141G -  and would have been finished a long time ago but for the output
transformer.

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hold.&nbsp; I'm stuck for a suitable ferrite core for the output 
transformer.&nbsp;&nbsp; It needs to match approx 3 ohms load resistance to 50 
ohm output.&nbsp; The windings will be made using either conventional wire as in 
HF PAs, or made from semirigid coax with shunt outer, series inner.&nbsp; The 
latter will need a physiacally larger core to accomodate the wire 
thickness.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
class=741055207-14092006>Some cores I did have that 'ought' to have worked taken 
from a&nbsp;35 watt broadband PA (0.5 to 1000MHz) failed miserably and 
got&nbsp;seriously hot no matter what winding configuration was used.&nbsp; In 
that original PA they were acting only as common mode chokes and presumably 
didn't have to carry nearly so much flux.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
class=741055207-14092006>Does anyone have details of a suitable core/material, 
or better still have&nbsp;a core going spare&nbsp; 
&nbsp;:-)</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN 
class=741055207-14092006>The PA uses an MRF 141G Mosfet device rated for 300 
Watts out with&nbsp;14dB gain.&nbsp; The&nbsp;circuit&nbsp; itself is&nbsp;quite 
simple - see the data sheet for teh MRF141G - &nbsp;and would have been finished 
a long time ago but for the output transformer.</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></P>
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Hi Henny, and your QRSS3 is "O" in the UK this afternoon 1530z in the very
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> tu jeff,
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> henny pa3cpm. 73
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Hartmut,

Thanks for the report, and the shorter runs. A 2-way QSO could be done 
quite efficiently at those signal levels.

I am open for suggestions about tonight. I can stick with WOLF, or try 
something else. Does anyone have any thoughts?

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES



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Good copy WD2XNS last night. The increase of power brought an
improvement. There was a deeper fading period about 0230-03:15.

Again good copy of the WOLF10 transmission from WD2XES about
00:00-05:00. From 03:00-05:00 8 frames would have been enought for a
continious copy

Nil from VO1NA


Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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Hello Dick,

my 136 kHz antenna (in the period 1997-2001) was completely surrounded =20
by trees and actually I use 4 of this green lossy capacitors to =20
support the antenna.
My experiences:
1. Loss is very high. I never got it below 130 Ohm in winter and 160 =20
Ohm in summer.
2. Keep the wires as far as possible from the greenery.
3. An elevated loading coil works miracles. Putting about 50% of the =20
needed inductance at the top of the vertical wire improved my ERP by 6 =20
dB. More than 50 % would be even better, but that was to heavy in my =20
case.
4. Even with an elevated loading coil measured ERP was at least 5 dB =20
below the theoretical value.
5. Due to the losses the antenna Q is that low that re-tuning within a =20
1 kHz range is not required (at least one advantage).
6. Due to friction nylon ropes do not last very long in a tree. I used =20
steel cables at the friction points.
7. The combination of wind and Murphy's law will make the trees that =20
support the antenna always moving in opposite directions. Even with =20
moderate wind 3 mm flexible Cu-wire easily snaps at 15 meter height =20
(when it is streched 1-2 meter). An easy and cheap cure is to include =20
so-called "bicycle strechers" (the rubber things used to fix something =20
at the rear of a bicycle) in the supporting ropes.
8. The easiest way to get wires 15-20 meter up in a tree is a =20
slingshot or bow/arrow (the later is more accurate).

To end with a positive note: all the above didn't stop me from working =20
almost all stations that were active at that time. Best DX was OH1TN =20
(+/- 1700 km) in normal CW. My DFCW30 signal was captured in the US at =20
least once but I cannot remind when and by who.

73, Rik  ON7YD


Quoting Dick <knaap159@zonnet.nl>:

> I think this question has been around a while ago, but can't  =20
> remember exactly.
>
> What about running an toploaded vertical in the middle of an wood?
>
> It will be a 12m vertical wire, with an flat, pancake shaped coil on =20
>  top, and additional at least 4 toploading wires
> each 20m long, supported by trees.......
>
> So, nearest tree will be over 25m away from antenna.
>
> What about negative influence (attentuation) caused by the trees?
>
> I'm asking this because it might be rather difficult to find a free  =20
> place for the antenna in LX.
>
> (We will be QRV 136kHz upto 10m, so lot of antennas, masts around ,hi)
>
> Dick, pa4vhf



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I think this question has been around a while ago, but can't remember =
exactly.

What about running an toploaded vertical in the middle of an wood?

It will be a 12m vertical wire, with an flat, pancake shaped coil on =
top, and additional at least 4 toploading wires
each 20m long, supported by trees.......

So, nearest tree will be over 25m away from antenna.

What about negative influence (attentuation) caused by the trees?

I'm asking this because it might be rather difficult to find a free =
place for the antenna in LX.

(We will be QRV 136kHz upto 10m, so lot of antennas, masts around ,hi)

Dick, pa4vhf
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think this question has been around a =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>What about running an toploaded =
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middle of an wood?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It will be a 12m vertical wire, with an =
flat,=20
pancake shaped coil on top, and additional at least 4 toploading=20
wires</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>each 20m long, supported by=20
trees.......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So, nearest tree will be over 25m away =
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antenna.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Higher static level and a lot of deep fading last night. Between 23:30
and 06:20 copied WD2XES, WD2XKO (part) and WD2XNS. Weak copy of XES
until 06:20. Local sunrise was about 05:00.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


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Hi Bryan,

I should have stated that is what I do, if I remember, but the light always
reminds me!!!

73

Gary.

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You have been lucky so far. I would disconnect  HF antenna pdq before
LF-ing.

Bryan


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Well, thanks for all replies about the radial question.

Indeed there is not much time for trial and error during an DX-pedition, =
something which is not
unusual on 136kHz.......

I will take the wire with me, and see where to use it, maybe as RX =
beverage or whatever.

I will try to get as much wire into the air as possible (fill the sky =
with wire, hi)

Talking about putting up wires, anyone around with experience in the use =
of an bow, arrow  and kite-wire to put
antenna wires high into/over trees?
I wonder how much lbs the bow should be.

73

Dick, PA4VHF
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Do you mean the usual Marine/Aero  RDF in the lower 400's or are there new
near 500?

G3GVB
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> Hi All
> Is there anyone transmitting yet on 500 khz. I am receiving lots of
beacons
> around this freq area from near and far.
> 73 de Mal/G3KEV
>
>
>



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Hello Rik, LFers,

I can attest to the fact that QRS can run for months without needing
human intervention.  (Now that I've said that, mine will crash tonite).
I'm running it on an old 486 laptop with WFW 3.11 as the system,
and even with the screensaver function activated, it's just kept on
pluggin' out the QRSS30 beacon EAR on 188.940 kHz.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
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Hi Dick ,
Please add following details : 1,5 Amps ( Ropex Tx )  into L antenna 23 
Meters long at 6 Meters height .Wkd 10 stns in 4 countries with normal CW .
73, William PA0WFO





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Hello Dick,

looong ago I plotted the signal strength of all the stations that I had =
received on 136 kHz (http://www.qru.de/stnhrd.htm) against the distance =
(see http://www.qru.de/signals.html). Also Dick, PA0SE added some of his =
data to this analysis. It gave a pretty interesting picture about the =
distribution of the output ower of the European LF stations at that =
time. This should have changed in the meantime (for example because =
Germany alsoo has the permission to run 1 W ERP). It might be =
interesting to do such a list and plot again and compare it to the =
antenna and power that a station is using.

Best 73

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO

P.S.: I am currently not readily QRV on LF because my antenna is =
occupied by DI2BO on 440 kHz. Other thank that: 350 Watt output and the =
18 m umbrella with top-loads puts me in the 350 mW ERP class on 136 kHz =
(for comparison: on 440 kHz the same antenna and 130 Watt output results =
in a little bit more than 1 Watt ERP). =20



  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Dick=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 8:10 PM
  Subject: LF: 136kHz stns list--power


  Well, I agree the best thing to compaire might be ERP, but I think =
this might be a rather difficult thing
  to calculate...

  It's more or less to get an idea of what one is running, and the =
combination of antennatype and power
  will give at least a little clue if someone is a 'big-one' or QRP =
station.....

  Info received from PA0WFO and G4WGT will be added to the list.

  73

  Dick, pa4vhf,  meanwhile quite busy preparing all stuff for LX.....
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>looong ago I plotted the signal =
strength of all the=20
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href=3D"http://www.qru.de/stnhrd.htm">http://www.qru.de/stnhrd.htm</A>) =
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Dick, PA0SE added some of his data to this analysis. It gave a pretty=20
interesting picture about the distribution of the output ower of the =
European LF=20
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example=20
because Germany alsoo has the permission to run 1 W ERP). It might be=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Best 73</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geri, DK8KW&nbsp;/ DI2BO</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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QRV on LF=20
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that: 350=20
Watt output and the 18 m umbrella with top-loads&nbsp;puts me in the 350 =
mW ERP=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, I agree the best thing to =
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  ERP, but I think this might be a rather difficult thing</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>to calculate...</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's more or less to get an idea of =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Info received from PA0WFO and G4WGT =
will be added=20
  to the list.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick, pa4vhf,&nbsp; meanwhile quite =
busy=20
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LX.....</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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I could provide space on my webside

Uwe, DK1kq
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Dick=20
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  Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 4:49 PM
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  Hello all,

  I started making a list of stations that has been worked on 136kHz in =
Europe.
  I've used some logs available on internet, screenshot lists, like from =
NL9222 and Wolf etc.

  Sofar around 150 callsings are in the list.

  Of course it's not complete and might have some old data, but at least =
it's something.

  Now I'm searching for a way to put this list somewhere, to give people =
the change to add things to it.


  It is an excel sheet

  73

  Dick, pa4vhf
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I started making a list of stations =
that has been=20
  worked on 136kHz in Europe.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've used some logs available on =
internet,=20
  screenshot lists, like from NL9222 and Wolf etc.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sofar around 150 callsings are in the =

  list.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of course it's not complete and might =
have some=20
  old data, but at least it's something.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now I'm searching for a way to put =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is an excel sheet</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
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Hello Dick ,
I,m QRV with manual CW . My  QTH locator is JO21BV .
73, William PA0WFO
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Hello all,

  I hope it works,.....here is a little list of stations active on =
136kHz.

  I know it is probably not up-to-date, and there might be stations on =
it that are no longer QRV,=20
  or perhaps silent key.
  Please let me know if you have additional information.

  This is just a beginning of a list as an try out;, it has to made =
complete coming period.

  73

  Dick, pa4vhf
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<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hello Dick=20
,</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I,m QRV =
with manual CW .=20
My&nbsp; QTH locator is JO21BV .</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>73, William =

PA0WFO</FONT></EM></STRONG></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dknaap159@zonnet.nl =
href=3D"mailto:knaap159@zonnet.nl">Dick</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 10, =
2006 9:48=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: 136kHz =
stations.xls</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope it works,.....here is a little =
list of=20
  stations active on 136kHz.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I know it is probably not up-to-date, =
and there=20
  might be stations on it that are no longer QRV, </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>or perhaps silent key.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please let me know if you have =
additional=20
  information.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is just a beginning of a list as =
an try=20
  out;, it has to made complete coming period.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick,=20
pa4vhf</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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hamilton mal wrote:
> If u try CW I will be looking for you around 136.6 khz approx.
>   

Dear Mal and all,

I just came back to the station after a break.

I can try CW with pleasure. I will call CQ at every full hour for 5 
minutes at 136.6, provided I am not in a QRSS QSO at the same time. I 
should be at the station until 2100z, maybe longer.

73! Marek SQ5BPM


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If u try CW I will be looking for you around 136.6 khz approx.

73 mal/G3KEV



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no but there's  these five bread rolls and a pair of herrings going spare.
 
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> 
> >I have set a bush in my garden on fire in similar circumstances. We are 
> >not very religious but my wife was most impressed.
> >de Lech G3KAU.
> 
> Anyone able to change water into wine using LF?
> 
> 73, Rik  ON7YD -OR7T
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>I have set a bush in my garden on fire in similar circumstances. We are 
>not very religious but my wife was most impressed.
>de Lech G3KAU.

Anyone able to change water into wine using LF?

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Dear Geri et al,=20
 this christmas story had been described by the former editor of DL-QTC, Fr=
itz K=FChne, some decades ago. Living in Garmisch, he had to find a reflexi=
on area on one of the mountains around Germisch to get out of this valley v=
ia VHF. His antenna was on a balcony, and the christmas tree too!
 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
 =20
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Hi, years ago I heard the story about the wife of a ham who had a christmas=
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ic light bulbs, all put in series so that when you rotate one to turn it of=
f all others are switched off, too. You can imagine how surprised this woma=
n was when she rotated one bulb to switch off all the lights -- and suddenl=
y some of the lights went off, others stayed on. Well, she rotated one of t=
he ones that were on ... and at the other side ot the christmas tree some o=
ther bulbs started to lit. Well, for us hams the solution is simple: her hu=
sband operated AM on 2 meters and by disconencting some of the light bulbs =
from the series circuit a dipole antenna for 144 MHz with a different light=
 bulb was created. Rotating this one and disconnecting it, another dipole w=
as created and so forth ... Best 73 Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO
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Living=20
in Garmisch, he had to find a reflexion area on one of the mountains around=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>years ago I heard the story about the wife=
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she rotated one bulb to switch off all the lights -- and suddenly some of t=
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ere=20
on ... and at the other side ot the christmas tree some other bulbs started=
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Hi,

years ago I heard the story about the wife of a ham who had a christmas =
tree on the balcony. This was one of the first christmas trees with =
electric light bulbs, all put in series so that when you rotate one to =
turn it off all others are switched off, too.

You can imagine how surprised this woman was when she rotated one bulb =
to switch off all the lights -- and suddenly some of the lights went =
off, others stayed on. Well, she rotated one of the ones that were on =
... and at the other side ot the christmas tree some other bulbs started =
to lit.

Well, for us hams the solution is simple: her husband operated AM on 2 =
meters and by disconencting some of the light bulbs from the series =
circuit a dipole antenna for 144 MHz with a different light bulb was =
created. Rotating this one and disconnecting it, another dipole was =
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Best 73

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO

 
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In a message dated 9/13/2006 1:11:20 PM Central Daylight Time, 
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I have set a bush in my garden on fire in similar circumstances. We are not 
very religious but my wife was most impressed.
You know, with sufficiently strong electric fields, you can modulate the 
ionized gas in a flame to produce acoustic waves.  With a little planning, you 
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I have set a bush in my garden on fire in similar circumstances. We are not very religious but my wife was most impressed.
  de Lech G3KAU.






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I once ran a 14m vertical antenna with no top load and a huge base 
loading coil. Whilst beaconing I could hear a Morse hissing noise in 
the garden. Looking closer I found that the volts around the antenna 
were so great that the leaves and grass were moving whenever the Tx 
keyed!

The antenna was soon dismantled.

Mike, G3XDV
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> I wonder how many here have similar oddities to share....




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Hi J & LF,

I have a Yaesu FT-747GX & when I Tx LF I see a light shining out of the back
slots onto the wall from the Rx antenna fuse bulb. Yes the bulb is lit to
full brilliance, the operation FT-747GX doesn't appear to have been
effected. LF RF is being picked up on the HF antenna.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

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Haloo Group,

I wonder how many here have similar oddities to share....

Another part of my hobby is contesting... I have a RAT PAK remote antenna
switch which mounts on the tower which is used for LF.  The RAT PAK although
not in use on LF has a set of six LEDs to indicate which antenna has been
selected in the shack during HF operation.

This is where the odd indication comes in.  Whenever the LF transmitter
keys, all six LEDs glow softly and the brilliance of the LEDs increase with
the power level.  It makes a nice indicator that the beacon is working and
putting out reasonable power.  The first time I keyed down with more than 50
watts, it was quite a surprise.  150 Watts glow at what looks like 1/10 of
brilliance.

Now lets calculate... if 400 watts turns out to really be 1 W ierp here,
full brilliance would mean how many dB above legal limit?   :o)

J.




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Hello all !

Last night , no logger  !
Big storm activity
The picture of the storm are on :
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73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

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Dick wrote:
> This evening and tomorrow morning....
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Hi Dick
Copied ur [ 1st? ] Qrss call around 17:45, tnx
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This evening and tomorrow morning....

Hope to catch some new ones.


Saw somebody "1DW?" earlier this evening.


73

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Hello all,

It's off topic, but as I can't find it on the net I'll ask it here.

I want to modify an old 27MHz CB antenna to an quarter wave vertical for =
30m (10.14MHz)

Diameter is tapering from 26 to 15mm.

Question: what length should it have? I suppose 0.25 wavelength x 0.96 =
or so...

Sofar not a big problem, but as I will use 36 radials direct on the =
ground, it's radiation resitance will be
around 36Ohm.

To match this to 50Ohm I can use a series capacitor, but what value this =
should be??

Who can tell me?

73

Dick, pa4vhf
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's off topic, but as I can't find it =
on the net=20
I'll ask it here.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I want to modify an old 27MHz CB =
antenna to an=20
quarter wave vertical for 30m (10.14MHz)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Diameter is tapering from 26 to =
15mm.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Question: what length should it have? I =
suppose=20
0.25 wavelength x 0.96 or so...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sofar not a big problem, but as I will =
use 36=20
radials direct on the ground, it's radiation resitance will =
be</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>around 36Ohm.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><EM>To match this to 50Ohm I can use a =
series=20
capacitor, but what value this should be??</EM></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
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Jean-Pierre

Thank you for your continued monitoring. Shut down at about 0300Z last night.

Jay W1VD / WD2XNS


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>
> Hi all on the list !
>
> Last night I copy:
> WD2XNS > 01:45 to 02:30
> the captures of the night are on :
> http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
>
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
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Hello All,

Tonight, I notice that the "JA" (VY1JA) signal is the strongest it has been 
into MN on the KI0LE Grabber.

If there are any reports, or captures, even partials, please send them to:

vy1ja@northwestel.net.

thanks.

J.
VY1JA 




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Dick wrote:
> Hello Marek and the rest,
>
> I am not so happy you put it on the net already...... I wish you asked me
> before you did it,
> because the list is still under construction!
> Your idea is good, put better wait a little next time.
>   

Hello Dick,

My apologies, indeed, I should have asked you before. It was too easy to 
convert the table into wiki format :)

Anyway, I can easily do the work of compiling the two lists whenever you 
say you are ready. I think that the idea that everybody can edit the 
data is nice. Even if the wiki editor is not as easy as Excel.

BTW I just found there are two 'competing' ham wiki sites:
- http://www.hamwiki.info/wiki/Main_Page
- http://www.hamsexy.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

Additionally, there are some ham-related articles in the Wikipedia 
itself. However, on all these sites there is very little information 
about LF...

73! Marek SQ5BPM


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Hello Marek and the rest,

I am not so happy you put it on the net already...... I wish you asked me
before you did it,
because the list is still under construction!
Your idea is good, put better wait a little next time.

Now people might put info at that page, and not to me which means extra
search work for me.
I am still searching the internet and other sources for information, at the
moment around 250 stations on the list.

73

Dick, pas4vhf



----- Original Message ----- 
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Subject: Re: LF: Fw: 136kHz stations list, first update


> Hello Dick and LFers,
>
> I copied the data to a page in the hamwiki project. Not too much is
> there, but at least it's easy to edit for everybody. Just click on
> 'edit' link in the top of the page:
> http://www.hamwiki.info/wiki/LF_active_stations .
>
> I hope I didn't violate any copyright for the list and that you like the
> idea.
>
> 73! Marek SQ5BPM
>




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Dear J. and LF,

... this is a very interesting question, exposing the heart of the matter. T=
o=20
my understanding, the presence of this little bypass capacitor decides=20
between two fundamentally different mdes of Class-D operation.

In "voltage-mode class-D" with the center tap RF-grounded, the drain voltage=
s=20
are ideally squarewaves between zero and 2x Vdd, with one transistor looking=
=20
like the mirror image of the other. The drain currents are half sines, just=20
like in class-B. The output filter has to present a high input impedance for=
 all=20
odd harmonics, so a T-type lowpass (or a series resonant circuit) should be=20
used. The transformer itself and the wiring must have very low stray inducta=
nce=20
to suppress high frequency ringing, caused by a common-mode parallel=20
resonance with the FET output capacitances. Stray inductance can be kept low=
 by=20
bifilar winding of the transformer primary. Alternatively, it can be complet=
ely=20
avoided in a single-ended pushpull (halfbridge) configuration, which does no=
t=20
require a balun transformer and shunts all even harmonics directly - this is=
 what=20
I have been using in my 200 W PA for six years now.

Without the bypass at the tap, you enter the "current-mode class-D" regime,=20
where the constant current from the choke is simply switched between the=20
transistors. Thus each FET delivers a squarewave current contribution. The o=
utput=20
filter has to shortcircuit the odd harmonics, as in a Pi or parallel tank=20
configuration. The off-state drain voltages are ideally halfcycle sinusoids,=
 peaking=20
at pi times Vdd. The common mode voltage developed across the choke consists=
=20
of even harmonics and looks like the output of a full wave rectifier. The=20
transformer's stray inductance is not a problem here as it is in series with=
 the=20
choke anyway, so bifilar winding is not needed.

Apart from these basic considerations, perhaps Jim or David could comment on=
=20
their views of the advantages of one mode or the other?

Kind regards,
Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 31.08.2006 19:47:07 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt=
=20
vy1ja@northwestel.net:=20

> Thinkers,
>=20
> What are the reasons for not bypassing the center tap on the push-pull amp=
s=20
> apart from high bypass current?
>=20
> There are spikes on the rising edge near the positive and negative peaks i=
n=20
> the waveform of the output from the LPF from the amp I am working on, and=20
> bypassing the center tap to ground cleared up the spikes.  It also cleared=
=20
> up the bypass capacitor  :o).
>=20
> J.=20
>=20
>=20
>=20
>=20


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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=
=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"2">Dear J. and LF,<BR>
<BR>
... this is a very interesting question, exposing the heart of the matter. T=
o my understanding, the presence of this little bypass capacitor decides bet=
ween two fundamentally different mdes of Class-D operation.<BR>
<BR>
In "voltage-mode class-D" with the center tap RF-grounded, the drain voltage=
s are ideally squarewaves between zero and 2x Vdd, with one transistor looki=
ng like the mirror image of the other. The drain currents are half sines, ju=
st like in class-B. The output filter has to present a high input impedance=20=
for all odd harmonics, so a T-type lowpass (or a series resonant circuit) sh=
ould be used. The transformer itself and the wiring must have very low stray=
 inductance to suppress high frequency ringing, caused by a common-mode para=
llel resonance with the FET output capacitances. Stray inductance can be kep=
t low by bifilar winding of the transformer primary. Alternatively, it can b=
e completely avoided in a single-ended pushpull (halfbridge) configuration,=20=
which does not require a balun transformer and shunts all even harmonics dir=
ectly - this is what I have been using in my 200 W PA for six years now.<BR>
<BR>
Without the bypass at the tap, you enter the "current-mode class-D" regime,=20=
where the constant current from the choke is simply switched between the tra=
nsistors. Thus each FET delivers a squarewave current contribution. The outp=
ut filter has to shortcircuit the odd harmonics, as in a Pi or parallel tank=
 configuration. The off-state drain voltages are ideally halfcycle sinusoids=
, peaking at pi times Vdd. The common mode voltage developed across the chok=
e consists of even harmonics and looks like the output of a full wave rectif=
ier. The transformer's stray inductance is not a problem here as it is in se=
ries with the choke anyway, so bifilar winding is not needed.<BR>
<BR>
Apart from these basic considerations, perhaps Jim or David could comment on=
 their views of the advantages of one mode or the other?<BR>
<BR>
Kind regards,<BR>
Markus, DF6NM<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
In einer eMail vom 31.08.2006 19:47:07 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt=
 vy1ja@northwestel.net: <BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Thinkers,<BR>
<BR>
What are the reasons for not bypassing the center tap on the push-pull amps=20=
<BR>
apart from high bypass current?<BR>
<BR>
There are spikes on the rising edge near the positive and negative peaks in=20=
<BR>
the waveform of the output from the LPF from the amp I am working on, and <B=
R>
bypassing the center tap to ground cleared up the spikes.&nbsp; It also clea=
red <BR>
up the bypass capacitor&nbsp; :o).<BR>
<BR>
J. <BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
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In a farm goods supplier today - we've got many of these in West Wales -  I noticed plenty of fittings for electric 
fences - hefty  insulators and brackets of all kinds of shapes, all designed for 10KV dc working voltage.

I don't know how these would be at 137kHz, but it may be worth a browse if you live in the country, with a farm goods 
supplier nearby.

Regards,
Martin Evans    GW3UCJ 




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Joe,
> > Unfortunately, as a result of home renovations, the
> > Decca amp/power supply has to be moved -- the XYL was unconvinced by my
> > reassuraces that it would not adversely affect the appearance of our
> > new rec room.  It will be QRV when it has been relocated to the shed or
> > shack.

        This is a definite indication that you don't have nearly enough ham gear.  
        My Decca is just another radio among may others, many of them much larger than a Decca!


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> try lateral thinking
> 
> Put xyl in shed or shack..
> 
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A more likely scenario:
1. Decca in dumpster.
2. Wife in rec room
3. Op in doghouse

JA

captbrian wrote:
> try lateral thinking
> 
> Put xyl in shed or shack..



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try lateral thinking

Put xyl in shed or shack..

----- Original Message ----- 
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> 
> 
> On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Hartmut Wolff wrote:
> 
> > On 187.3706 kHz I captured 2 "N"s of the 10W signal from VO1NA
> > 00:00-01:15.
> 
> Thank-you for the report, Hartmut.  I hope to be QRO on 137.777 kHz again
> soon.  Unfortunately, as a result of home renovations, the
> Decca amp/power supply has to be moved -- the XYL was unconvinced by my
> reassuraces that it would not adversely affect the appearance of our
> new rec room.  It will be QRV when it has been relocated to the shed or
> shack.
> 
> 73
> Joe VO1NA
> 
> 
> 
> 


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On Fri, 1 Sep 2006, Hartmut Wolff wrote:

> On 187.3706 kHz I captured 2 "N"s of the 10W signal from VO1NA
> 00:00-01:15.

Thank-you for the report, Hartmut.  I hope to be QRO on 137.777 kHz again
soon.  Unfortunately, as a result of home renovations, the
Decca amp/power supply has to be moved -- the XYL was unconvinced by my
reassuraces that it would not adversely affect the appearance of our
new rec room.  It will be QRV when it has been relocated to the shed or
shack.

73
Joe VO1NA




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Nice reception of WD2XES about 23:30-05:30 on 137.779 kHz last night.
Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm

On 187.3706 kHz I captured 2 "N"s of the 10W signal from VO1NA
00:00-01:15.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Miscellaneous/VO1NA187kHz/VO1NA187kHz.htm


73
Hartmut
www.h-wolff.de
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andre Kesteloot" <andre.kesteloot@verizon.net>
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Subject: LF: More on 500 kHz


> >ARRL GRANTED EXPERIMENTAL LICENSE FOR 500 KHZ RESEARCH BY RADIO AMATEURS
>
> The FCC's Office of Engineering and Technology on September 13 granted
Part
> 5 experimental license WD2XSH to the ARRL on behalf of a group of radio
> amateurs interested in investigating spectrum in the vicinity of 500 kHz.
> The two-year authorization permits experimentation and research between
505
> and 510 kHz (600 meters) using narrowband modes at power levels of up to
20
> W effective radiated power (ERP). ARRL Member Fritz Raab, W1FR, of
Vermont,
> will serve as experimental project manager for "The 500 KC Experimental
> Group for Amateur Radio" <http://www.500kc.com/>
>
> "I'm kind of excited to see how we can apply modern technology to a
'classic
> part' of the radio spectrum," Raab told ARRL this week. He pointed out
that
> 500 kHz - the traditional maritime emergency frequency - is roughly
> geometrically halfway between the 136 kHz experimental band and the 160
> meter amateur allocation.
>
> "In contrast to 160 meters, 500 kHz is low enough to offer good groundwave
> propagation, but in contrast to 137 kHz it is high enough to allow us to
> engage in real communication with realistic equipment." Raab eventually
> would like to see at least a secondary 600-meter amateur allocation from
495
> to 510 kHz.
>
> "Besides the opportunities for experimenting at low frequencies, that
> frequency is well suited to regional groundwave communication," Raab said.
> He envisions eventual use of the spectrum to provide Amateur Radio
emergency
> communication via groundwave, without having to deal with the vagaries of
> the ionosphere or causing interference to other services.
>
> For about a century, the 500 kHz region was an important band for maritime
> communication, emergency and otherwise. The band is occasionally used by
> "heritage" commercial maritime stations, such as the Maritime Radio
> Historical Society's KPH on the West Coast, on special occasions. 500 kHz
> remains designated as an official maritime emergency CW frequency,
although
> the vast majority of maritime users have shifted to satellite-based
systems.
>
> In addition to experimentation and regional emergency work, Raab says he
> believes that the 505-510 kHz spectrum could serve as "an historic band"
> that could support various commemorative special event-type operations.
> Proposals are under consideration in the UK and Ireland to establish an
> experimental Amateur Radio allocation in the vicinity of 500 kHz.
>
> The WD2XSH project calls for operation from 21 discrete fixed sites spread
> throughout the US. Participants all are electrical professionals, many
with
> maritime radio backgrounds, Raab said, adding that operation already has
> begun. The group eventually will be seeking reports from non-participants,
> he said.
>
> Raab says the gear participants will use represents "every kind of antenna
> and equipment you can imagine," including surplus vacuum-tube maritime
> units. At his Colchester, Vermont, location he's using a 42-foot vertical,
> but others are employing inverted Ls, loops and Marconis, among others.
>
> Raab was a co-author of the article "A 100-W Class-D Power Amplifier for
LF
> and MF," which appeared in the March-April edition of QEX
> <http://www.arrl.org/qex/2006/03/toc.pdf>

I cannot download this article, do I have to be a member ? or what
de G3KEV


. He's using an amplifier of that
> design for his WD2XSH operations.
>
> The FCC turned down a 1998 petition from the ARRL to create an Amateur
Radio
> "sliver band" in the vicinity of 136 kHz, but some US amateur licensees
have
> obtained FCC Part 5 Experimental licenses to research the possibilities of
> LF, including transatlantic and transpacific propagation. Amateur Radio
> licensees in Europe and elsewhere already have access to 135.7 to 137.8
kHz,
> and several hams in Canada have authorization to operate there using
Amateur
> Radio call signs.
>
>
>



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I guess that's because the ERP is far field power while the "stolen power" 
(via the HF antenna) comes from the near field energy power.
Or otherwise: the 4 Watt is not radiated from the LF-antenna to the 
HF-antenna but capacitive coupled.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

At 01:51 13/09/2006 +0100, you wrote:
>what puzzles me is that you can energise a bulb   [300 ma x 12.6volts?] at
>nearly 4 watts with an ERP of less than 1 watt...........;-))
>
>G3GVB
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "captbrian" <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk>
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Sent: 11 September 2006 20:30
>Subject: LF: Re: RE: Strange detector
>
>
> > You have been lucky so far. I would disconnect  HF antenna pdq before
> > LF-ing.
> >
> > Bryan
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: 11 September 2006 13:49
> > Subject: LF: RE: Strange detector
> >
> >
> > > Hi J & LF,
> > >
> > > I have a Yaesu FT-747GX & when I Tx LF I see a light shining out of the
> > back
> > > slots onto the wall from the Rx antenna fuse bulb. Yes the bulb is lit
>to
> > > full brilliance, the operation FT-747GX doesn't appear to have been
> > > effected. LF RF is being picked up on the HF antenna.
> > >
> > > 73
> > >
> > > Gary - G4WGT.
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of J. Allen
> > > Sent: 11 September 2006 05:38
> > > To: LF (RSGB); LowFER at LW Cafe
> > > Subject: LF: Strange detector
> > >
> > >
> > > Haloo Group,
> > >
> > > I wonder how many here have similar oddities to share....
> > >
> > > Another part of my hobby is contesting... I have a RAT PAK remote
>antenna
> > > switch which mounts on the tower which is used for LF.  The RAT PAK
> > although
> > > not in use on LF has a set of six LEDs to indicate which antenna has
>been
> > > selected in the shack during HF operation.
> > >
> > > This is where the odd indication comes in.  Whenever the LF transmitter
> > > keys, all six LEDs glow softly and the brilliance of the LEDs increase
> > with
> > > the power level.  It makes a nice indicator that the beacon is working
>and
> > > putting out reasonable power.  The first time I keyed down with more
>than
> > 50
> > > watts, it was quite a surprise.  150 Watts glow at what looks like 1/10
>of
> > > brilliance.
> > >
> > > Now lets calculate... if 400 watts turns out to really be 1 W ierp here,
> > > full brilliance would mean how many dB above legal limit?   :o)
> > >
> > > J.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >


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what puzzles me is that you can energise a bulb   [300 ma x 12.6volts?] at
nearly 4 watts with an ERP of less than 1 watt...........;-))

G3GVB


----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: Re: RE: Strange detector


> You have been lucky so far. I would disconnect  HF antenna pdq before
> LF-ing.
>
> Bryan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: 11 September 2006 13:49
> Subject: LF: RE: Strange detector
>
>
> > Hi J & LF,
> >
> > I have a Yaesu FT-747GX & when I Tx LF I see a light shining out of the
> back
> > slots onto the wall from the Rx antenna fuse bulb. Yes the bulb is lit
to
> > full brilliance, the operation FT-747GX doesn't appear to have been
> > effected. LF RF is being picked up on the HF antenna.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Gary - G4WGT.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of J. Allen
> > Sent: 11 September 2006 05:38
> > To: LF (RSGB); LowFER at LW Cafe
> > Subject: LF: Strange detector
> >
> >
> > Haloo Group,
> >
> > I wonder how many here have similar oddities to share....
> >
> > Another part of my hobby is contesting... I have a RAT PAK remote
antenna
> > switch which mounts on the tower which is used for LF.  The RAT PAK
> although
> > not in use on LF has a set of six LEDs to indicate which antenna has
been
> > selected in the shack during HF operation.
> >
> > This is where the odd indication comes in.  Whenever the LF transmitter
> > keys, all six LEDs glow softly and the brilliance of the LEDs increase
> with
> > the power level.  It makes a nice indicator that the beacon is working
and
> > putting out reasonable power.  The first time I keyed down with more
than
> 50
> > watts, it was quite a surprise.  150 Watts glow at what looks like 1/10
of
> > brilliance.
> >
> > Now lets calculate... if 400 watts turns out to really be 1 W ierp here,
> > full brilliance would mean how many dB above legal limit?   :o)
> >
> > J.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>



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Hello Friends,

The first traces of a "mystery signal " are appearing on a slightly 
different frequency tonight.  137699.25  Also, today propagation is much 
different,  The east coast LORAN is gone and the Gulf of Alaska is in and 
has been there since 13:30 local time.  It is very rare to see the Gulf of 
AK station come in so early and stay continuously all day and into the 
night.

VY1JA still monitoring 137698.5 to 137701.5 QRSS60

J 




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Well, I agree the best thing to compaire might be ERP, but I think this =
might be a rather difficult thing
to calculate...

It's more or less to get an idea of what one is running, and the =
combination of antennatype and power
will give at least a little clue if someone is a 'big-one' or QRP =
station.....

Info received from PA0WFO and G4WGT will be added to the list.

73

Dick, pa4vhf,  meanwhile quite busy preparing all stuff for LX.....
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Michel,

Thanks for the nice report and the screen shots. That makes five EU 
receptions last night.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES

Michel F5WK wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Good copy of wd2xes from 0:00 to 5:30 UTC with a noticeable increase in the
> S/N starting at 4:10 (2nd image)
> 
> Atmospheric noise is a few dB higher during the night and interestingly
> decreases well before John's signal fades out.
> 
> I increased the SL brightness of the second image to show this noise
> reduction.
> 
> 
> Receiving conditions:
> 
> 2 x 2 meter one-turn copper loop with high Z differential preamp
> I/Q down converter, QSD based
> Audigy 2 ZX notebook sound card
> Spectrum Lab configured as SDR
> 
>  73 Michel / f5wk   JN18HP
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Hi all,

Good copy of wd2xes from 0:00 to 5:30 UTC with a noticeable increase in the
S/N starting at 4:10 (2nd image)

Atmospheric noise is a few dB higher during the night and interestingly
decreases well before John's signal fades out.

I increased the SL brightness of the second image to show this noise
reduction.


Receiving conditions:

2 x 2 meter one-turn copper loop with high Z differential preamp
I/Q down converter, QSD based
Audigy 2 ZX notebook sound card
Spectrum Lab configured as SDR

 73 Michel / f5wk   JN18HP

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Hello Wolf ,

Wolf DL4YHF a =E9crit :
> Hi Jean-Pierre,
>
> > The captures and the files are on : http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
>
> Thanks for making those data available. By chance, I just studied the=20
> WOLF log and saw in the commandline that your soundcard's sampling=20
> rate was "calibrated" to 44097.6 Hz.
This night I used the soundcard  of my  portable PC, it one "conexant"=20
calibrated to 44097.6, when I use my "Audigy"  calibrated  to 44101,6.=20
My receiver is controlled by a TCXO that I gauged with my OCXO=20
discilplin=E9 by GPS, the final calibration of the soundcard  its is made=
=20
with the lines of the "LORAN-C"
>
> Ummm... that's interesting ... guess what the "calibrated" sampling=20
> rate of my Audigy 2 ZS is (calibrated using TV set, before they closed=20
> down analog distribution) ? 44097.667 Hz !
> Now is this pure coincidence, or is there a simple explanation for it=20
> - like " a standard crystal frequency divided by two power something " =
?
Co=EFncidence pure  !!!!!
>
> 73,  Wolf  DL4YHF
> (thunder on the way to JO42FD... but will try to receive John later=20
> tonight
Information : I use "WOLF" + "SpecLab" on the same PC and with only one=20
souncard !

Wolf ,  many Thanks for your good soft !
73 qro Jean-Pierre

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Hi Jean-Pierre,

 > The captures and the files are on : http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

Thanks for making those data available. By chance, I just studied the 
WOLF log and saw in the commandline that your soundcard's sampling rate 
was "calibrated" to 44097.6 Hz.

Ummm... that's interesting ... guess what the "calibrated" sampling rate 
of my Audigy 2 ZS is (calibrated using TV set, before they closed down 
analog distribution) ? 44097.667 Hz !
Now is this pure coincidence, or is there a simple explanation for it - 
like " a standard crystal frequency divided by two power something " ?

73,  Wolf  DL4YHF
(thunder on the way to JO42FD... but will try to receive John later tonight)
 




Jean-Pierre M�r� schrieb:
> Hi all on the list !
>
> Last night , i copy  WD2XES/W1TAG in Wolf
> and WD2XNS in QRSS !with a static activity.
> The captures and the files are on :
> http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
>
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
>



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Hi all on the list !

Last night , i copy  WD2XES/W1TAG in Wolf
and WD2XNS in QRSS !with a static activity.
The captures and the files are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

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Hi Willem,
What are you trying to do ? - maybe someone on the reflector can help.
Looks like you are sending a picture. There is a size limit (10kbytes ?)
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Zitat von Ed Lesnichy <ed@dx.ru>:

> Dear LF enthusiasts,
> after a long period of time I've appeard in LF list again and on LF
>
> I'll check(repair?) and test my LF eq on the next weekend (29 sep-1 oct)
>
> I've  read a lot of interesting news in rsgb_lf_group list and here're
> some of my comments:
>
> 1.  Dick PA4VHF - I'm very much interested in LX on LF - good luck you
> in the LF DXpedition to LX! Pse info abt QTH-loc in Wiltz, LX
>
> 2.  Dick  PA4VHF and all - since 2002 I've made and proceed for myself
> an excel database on the LF/MF enthusiasts - look on my www
> http://136.73.ru/files/lf_ham.zip   abt 38K in zip
> ...may be it will be interesting.
>
> 3. Laurence in BY and ZLs and VKs - I'll make beacons for you - info
> later
>
> 4. Congrats to Dex W4DEX and Conard WS4S with the first amateur 2way QSO on
> 500kHz !
>
> Sam RN6BN has informed me, that he will be also active on LF in this season
>
> I've updated some parts on my site (History, Best QSOs, LF DXpeditios)
>
> "I'll be back" ;-))
>
> 73! Ed RU6LA http://136.73.ru
>
>
>

Hi Ed,
vy nice complete list of LF stations! the result of hard work.
regards
Uwe/dj8wx



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Dear LF enthusiasts,
after a long period of time I've appeard in LF list again and on LF

I'll check(repair?) and test my LF eq on the next weekend (29 sep-1 oct)

I've  read a lot of interesting news in rsgb_lf_group list and here're
some of my comments:

1.  Dick PA4VHF - I'm very much interested in LX on LF - good luck you
in the LF DXpedition to LX! Pse info abt QTH-loc in Wiltz, LX

2.  Dick  PA4VHF and all - since 2002 I've made and proceed for myself
an excel database on the LF/MF enthusiasts - look on my www
http://136.73.ru/files/lf_ham.zip   abt 38K in zip
...may be it will be interesting.

3. Laurence in BY and ZLs and VKs - I'll make beacons for you - info
later

4. Congrats to Dex W4DEX and Conard WS4S with the first amateur 2way QSO on
500kHz !

Sam RN6BN has informed me, that he will be also active on LF in this season

I've updated some parts on my site (History, Best QSOs, LF DXpeditios)

"I'll be back" ;-))

73! Ed RU6LA http://136.73.ru



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Solid copy of WD2XES and WD2XNS last night. I think the best signal
strength since the last season.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
www.h-wolff.de
Locator: JO52hp



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Updated my website with captures of WD2XES, VO1NA, DK4U, G3XIZ,
PA4VHF, DK7SU, PA3CPM, F6BWO and PA3FNY taken this weekend.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


Captures of VO1NA on 187.37 can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Miscellaneous/VO1NA187kHz/VO1NA187kHz.htm


73
Hartmut
www.h-wolff.de
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Hi all on the list !

Last night
I copied through impacts of the sferics :
WD2XES and WD2XNS (traces)
the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht











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Victor, Jean-Pierre,

Thank you very much for the reports this morning. Lightning activity was 
again low in EU overnight.

Jean-Pierre, I am running 300 watts output into a large vertical loop 
about 146 meters in perimeter. Estimated ERP is about 0.6 watt. Details 
on the setup are at: http://www.w1tag.com .

Victor, I will send a QSL card shortly. Thanks!

WD2XES will be on again tonight, starting around 0000 UTC.



Victor van kooten wrote:
> Captured WB2XES from 1:00 tp 3:00 UTC
> 
> Early this evening alo CQ from:
> DL2HRE
> DG2BHG
> G3WCB
> PA0BWL
> 
> 73
> Victor,PA3FNY
> JO22NC
> 
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Captured WB2XES from 1:00 tp 3:00 UTC

Early this evening alo CQ from:
DL2HRE
DG2BHG
G3WCB
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73
Victor,PA3FNY
JO22NC

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After kicking this idea around for over a year privately with various
members of the group, I have decided to hoist it up the flag-pole to be shot
at !

I have read many attempts at calculating the LF field strengths expected
from a distant LF transmitter, and they all seem to have been over
complicated or give wildly inaccurate answers compared with our (amateur)
measurements. This included John Adcock's article which I think derives
figures from the CCIR recommendations. I am not greatly interested in paths
of less that 1500km, this is intended to assess DX paths.

After a lot of staring at my daily data plots, gallantly collected by Brian
CT1DRP, I derived a simple proceedure which will give a rough estimate of
the expected signal level. The calculation is ludicrous, in fact I called it
"Silly.htm" originally, and it was a bit of a joke.  It does however give a
useful figure which is, by my reckoning, not that far out. You must consider
that signal levels can vary by up to + / -6dB in daytime and around + / -
12dB at night due to fading and geomagnetic activity, so there is not too
much point in trying to be more accurate than that.

Shoot holes in it ......tell me where its wrong, but give the data to back
up your assertions. If it doesnt sink, riddled with holes, we might be able
to refine it to give better agreement with results. Do bear in mind it is
based on three years observations ! Thanks again Brian ! Find the
explanation at

http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/simple.htm

Cheers de Alan G3NYK



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Hi Michel, yes the noise is coming in by skywave from the east and so is
washed out by the approaching dawn. The signals from the west have a little
extra time because only the last ionospheric hop point at an altitude of
about 100km  needs to be in darkess.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: Michel F5WK <f5wk@mTerrier.net>
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Subject: LF: T/A wd2xes


> Hi all,
>
> Good copy of wd2xes from 0:00 to 5:30 UTC with a noticeable increase in
the
> S/N starting at 4:10 (2nd image)
>
> Atmospheric noise is a few dB higher during the night and interestingly
> decreases well before John's signal fades out.
>
> I increased the SL brightness of the second image to show this noise
> reduction.
>
>
> Receiving conditions:
>
> 2 x 2 meter one-turn copper loop with high Z differential preamp
> I/Q down converter, QSD based
> Audigy 2 ZX notebook sound card
> Spectrum Lab configured as SDR
>
>  73 Michel / f5wk   JN18HP
>
> --



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Hello Dick,

Thanks for the QSO this morning. I would never have thought that the 
program runs on a machine with 16 MB RAM !

About the overloading problem: I have similar problems here when strong 
stations are on the band. There is:
A) a certain spectral leakage from the FFT calculation, which is normal, 
but usually in the 10-Hz-range
B) deafening of the receiver, which usually much worse and cannot be 
cured by post-processing.
I can imagine that PA0BWL (hello Wil !) is extremely strong at your 
location. He is also one of the strongest signal here.
The IC706 which use a the club (after the 136 kHz <-> 10 MHz 
transverter), the S-meter usually shows nothing on the LF band, only 
occasionally S1. If it shows S9, the sensitivity of the whole system may 
be decreased by 54 dB (worst-case), because most comercial receivers 
actually show the AGC voltage as fieldstrength indicator. To get away 
from that problem would mean building a receiver without AGC, which 
would require an enormous dynamic range (it can be done, though, using 
software-defined radio principles).
But usually, there is so little activtiy that we are happy to see 
anything at all ;-)

BTW Jeff F6BWO was calling you too, but I guess he was a bit weaker than 
usual. Nice to have some regular CW activity too - worked G3XDV again 
after a very long time.

Best regards,
  Wolf DL4YHF  /   DK4U (on LF) .

Dick schrieb:
> Hello all,
>  
> I've been (and will be on again this afternoon)  on DFCW 137.7kHz.
> I have some trouble with my computer, which is an laptop with only 
> 16MB workmemory.
>  
> So, therefore it often takes some time to switch from RX to TX  
> (Speclab to QRSS window)
>  
> I also haven't optimized the settings off spectrum Lab, not able to 
> read weak signals.
> I saw DK6NJ?? calling me, and later somebody else, but couldn't get 
> the dashs and dots all
> that clear on my screen.
>  
> Also have problems when a strong signal is on the band.....it blocks 
> other weak signals that are within 50Hz or so.
> Hopefully this is just a way of wrong computer settings,hi.
>  
>  
> I'll go on now
>  
> 73
>  
> Dick, PA4VHF



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Hello all,

I've been (and will be on again this afternoon)  on DFCW 137.7kHz.
I have some trouble with my computer, which is an laptop with only 16MB =
workmemory.

So, therefore it often takes some time to switch from RX to TX  (Speclab =
to QRSS window)

I also haven't optimized the settings off spectrum Lab, not able to read =
weak signals.
I saw DK6NJ?? calling me, and later somebody else, but couldn't get the =
dashs and dots all
that clear on my screen.

Also have problems when a strong signal is on the band.....it blocks =
other weak signals that are within 50Hz or so.
Hopefully this is just a way of wrong computer settings,hi.


I'll go on now

73

Dick, PA4VHF
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Mike and Gary,

Here is a piece of the line I was seeing at grayline, and the single longer 
keydown at about 13:35 is clear  The capture was taken at QRSS30 with Argo 
and 60 second ticks.  The line is not a LORAN, but it was interesting that 
it came in when it did.  Note how clear the LORAN line is above it from the 
opposite corner of the NA continent....  It comes from SE USA.

I am in the deep country and there are no neighbours to have local QRM or 
spurious signals generated so that signal was distant.

It may not be a signal from either of you or even from Europe, but it was 
nice to capture an unknown.

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Hi all on the list !

Last night , verry good copy of WD2XES  !
Whats your conditions John(W1TAG)?

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Hi All
Is there anyone transmitting yet on 500 khz. I am receiving lots of beacons
around this freq area from near and far.
73 de Mal/G3KEV



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Thanks. But been there , tried that. No difference. Now gone to local PMR
fixer and supplier  / local ham who swears it is low supply volts. . Will
let list know what it was. [I hope ].

G3GVB


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>
> In a message dated 05/09/2006 16:27:50 GMT Standard Time,
> captbrian@ukonline.co.uk writes:
>
> As a  separate issue it has also suddenly ceased working in CW mode. No
> side-tone  ; no power ; just dumb insolence.
>
> Anyone had similar experiences  ?
>
> Bryan G3GVB
>
>
>
>
> Hello Bryan
>
> Try a master reset.   You lose the memory contents, but it can  work
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>
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> See handbook for details
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> 73
>
> David
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In a message dated 05/09/2006 16:27:50 GMT Standard Time,  
captbrian@ukonline.co.uk writes:

As a  separate issue it has also suddenly ceased working in CW mode. No
side-tone  ; no power ; just dumb insolence.

Anyone had similar experiences  ?

Bryan G3GVB




Hello Bryan
 
Try a master reset.   You lose the memory contents, but it can  work wonders.
 
 
See handbook for details
 
73
 
David

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My faithful IC 706 which I was about to feed with the pre-amp/filter  for
136 has developed  a fault which puzzles me on the Tx. side

It would once produce 90 watts on all bands with a 12.6 volt battery, now it
does so on 10 megs only but scarecely 50w on top-band, about 65/70w on 7m/hz
and 40w on 28Mhz.

Many people say "you must have13.8 v supply"  but it is sold as a mobile rig
so should work on 12 volts? And it did when I first acquired it.

As a separate issue it has also suddenly ceased working in CW mode. No
side-tone ; no power ; just dumb insolence.

Anyone had similar experiences ?

Bryan G3GVB



IZ



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Hi All,

I think I got my decimal point wrong, it should be 99.2 Hz or near.

Gary.

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Hi All,

Just received a strong signal near 137.700 (SpecLab not calibrated), it
looks like G3TADV, probably a mis-key. Big problem is that there is an image
at plus & minus about 992 Hz. I have not seen this happen on a normally
received signal. Has the operator got a Tx problem ??

Gary - G4WGT.


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Hello all,

I have just uploaded a new version (V2.8 b8) of Spectrum Lab to my website.
New or improved features:

- Simplified colour palette selection (a list with preview bitmaps for 
all palettes)
 Just click on the spectrogram colour legend to open it, and the program 
will show a menu of all available colour palettes (including Jim's and 
Renato's)

- Enhanced "Conditional Actions":
 the states of all conditions are now indicated by green or white 
backgrounds in the definition table

- New preconfigured settings: "Bat Converter", "QRSS1" and some more (in 
the "Quick Settings" menu)

- 8-character restriction for configuration filenames (*.usr) removed

- fixed a buffer overrun which occasionally happened at 192 kHz sampling 
rate

- Two instances running on the same PC can now communicate with each 
other, using the "send"-command.

- Fixed a bug in the interpreter command for automatic gain control (Ken 
- please check)

Note: The "PIC-less DDS control via soundcard" which was mentioned in 
the revision history didn't work properly so I removed it again .

The new version can be downloaded from here:
http://people.freenet.de/dl4yhf/spectra1.html
(use the "single-file installation" to get the newest version).

Comments, bug reports, and other feedback much appreciated !

Best regards,
  Wolf .


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Hi All
Anyone that would like a cw qso look out for G3KEV. I call cq frequently but
acty is poor. I am active most weekends and during the week.
Acty from the south coast G is now nil, even eu acty is poor, just the odd
OT that keeps chugging away.
73 de Mal/G3KEV



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Hi Dick, we have been having just such a discussion on the LWCA Lowfer group
reflector. There are lots who will tell you that 160m was unbeatable after
they did this or that....the problem is LF is not generally scalable as
there are many unknown parameters involved besides frequency.

My "research" suggests it might......but then again it might not !! I am
afriad there is no cookbook formula for this (at least I have not found a
working one) You really need to evaluate each location
separately.......something that is not easy to do on a DXpedition site,
except in preparation for next year !! I am afraid the answer is set up an
antenna and a ground spike. Measure it for C and Rloss, then quickly rollout
a wire and see if you get any reduction. First roll it out under any top
wire, then ground the remote end and try again. this way you can quickly get
a feeling for what works and avoid a lot of effort. You do need a simple and
reliable LF antenna bridge...... note that noise bridges do not work well at
LF. Many noise bridges do not work that well at all, because the designers
or makers do my appreciate the problems of balance over the frequency range.
You only have to measure a few resistors to determine this. Also you will
need about 3v rms feed to the bridge at LF to avoid false nulls from strong
nearby BC stations and general noise. See
http://www.btinternet.com/~alan.melia/aelossbr.htm#losses  for some ideas.
Made properly a simple bridge will give sharp deep nulls and repeatable
results.

Again you do not have the luxury to try it on a Dxpedition but multiple long
spaced top wires, strung as high as possibble is the easiest way of reducing
loss. Wolf's reference to the "footprint"  refers here.

One alternative is a very large loop. By that I mean with a circumference of
maybe at least 120m and a high as possible. These are low voltage antennas
so are not subject to loss by capacitive coupling nearby foliage or
buildings. The Yanks feed them via a ferrite transformer and mount them
right up in the trees. The ERP of the loop is not as high as a "T" of
similar dimensions but it can give a better ERP in some situations.

One comment we have agreed on is that for an inverted L or T antenna there
is not much point in running "radial" wires much beyond the span of the top
wire. If you were to manage 300 to 500m length ground wire you are on your
own, we have no data on the effect of a wire beyond the influence of the top
load, but a near resonant wire might work well.....but you will have to test
it by measurement. Dont be seduced by the 160m ideas, ground skin depth is
so much greater than effects can be totally different, but do depend on the
parameters of the ground (soil).

Good Luck with your LF signals.....though receiving might be the biggest
hurdle, I am sure we will hear you.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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Anyone knows if it makes sence to use some long radials 100-300m long
in combination with a spiral-coil toploaded vertical with 4x20m toploading
wires.
Or is this just wasting time and wire......

Dick, pa4vhf



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Dear J, LF Group,

I have been using air-cored coils in a 137kHz LPF for some time, with good
performance. The -2 mix iron dust toroids also work well. I have tried using
the ferrite TV LOPT cores (it is necessary to have an air gap between the
core halves), but while workable, they are generally less satisfactory and
more complicated to use.

It is certainly possible to get unwanted coupling between the air cored
coils, either to each other or to other parts of the circuit. But provided
the coils are arranged at right angles, are not very short with respect to
diameter (mine have windings abt 80mm long by 55mm diameter), and are kept a
couple of diameters from other parts of the circuit, coupling does not seem
to be a problem. So provided these precautions are observed, there shoudn't
be a problem with your air cored inductors. If you move  the filter
components around, the coupling will change, so if this leads to a big
change in the observed waveform, coupling could be the problem.

I suspect your spikes are reaching the oscilloscope via some other path
rather than through the low-pass filter. It is difficult to comment without
having the circuit to look at, but usually these things are due to grounding
in one way or another. What happens is there are multiple ground paths that
the switching transient currents flow through returning to their source. The
ground paths can have significant impedance, and if the same ground path is
shared by transient and wanted signal, a transient voltage ends up
superimposed on the wanted signal. One possibility is that some switching
currents are flowing via the output coax ground from the filter, through the
'scope ground via the "scopematch" circuit, and back through the mains earth
to the PA. Some things you could try are: -

If not already done, mount the PA and filter on the same metal base plate,
and make sure both are grounded directly to the base plate.

Eliminate the coax link, and connect the PA transformer secondary directly
to the filter input capacitor terminals. This provides the shortest path for
the circulating currents in the PA output. Remember that the filter is an
integral part of the class D PA - if you take the filter away, it isn't a
class D PA anymore. Direct connection will reduce unwanted stray inductance
in the PA circuit.

Try connecting the filter output to the scopematch input via a longer coax
cable (several metres at least, preferably coiled up). This will increase
the impedance for unwanted ground currents without affecting the RF load
impedance.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




----- Original Message -----
From: J. Allen <vy1ja@northwestel.net>
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Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 8:30 PM
Subject: LF: LPF inductor cores possible cause?


> Jim and All,
>
> Thanks for the good explanation.  The spikes are displayed on the scope
> which is connected to the ScopeMatch and are on both the voltage and
current
> traces.
>
> The scopematch pickup has a half meter section of coax between it and the
> LPF, which in turn has an even shorter coax jumper connecting it to the
amp
> output. The LPF  uses two single-layer, air-core, solenoid inductors
mounted
> at right angles to each other.
>
> Your comments raised a set of questions:
>
> Could it be that the single 640 FET amp and this Push Pull amp with 2 640
> are such different designs that the air core inductor LPF which works well
> with one, does not work with the other?
>
> Is it possible that some odd inductive or capacitive coupling lets those
> high frequency spikes  be generated?
>
> If this is the cause of the spikes, will it require a pair of  toroid
cores,
> or will a pair of TV cores suffice?
>
> Order toroid cores,  yes or no?
>
> Thanks,
>
> J.
>
>
>
>
>



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I'll change it Gary.

Hope to get more additional info from others, which will hopefully =
result in an
accurate list.

73

Dick, pa4vhf
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Sunday, September 10, 2006 10:06 PM
  Subject: LF: RE: 136kHz stations.xls


  Hi Dick,

  Nice one !

  Please update my entry to show LOC IO83qp & also for DFCW operation.

  73

  Gary - G4WGT.

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dick
  Sent: 10 September 2006 20:49
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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  Hello all,

  I hope it works,.....here is a little list of stations active on =
136kHz.

  I know it is probably not up-to-date, and there might be stations on =
it that are no longer QRV,=20
  or perhaps silent key.
  Please let me know if you have additional information.

  This is just a beginning of a list as an try out;, it has to made =
complete coming period.

  73

  Dick, pa4vhf
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'll change it Gary.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>accurate list.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick, pa4vhf</FONT></DIV>
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stations.xls</DIV>
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D453010520-10092006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hi=20
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D453010520-10092006><FONT face=3DArial =
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D453010520-10092006><FONT face=3DArial =
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  size=3D2>Please update my entry to show LOC IO83qp &amp; also for DFCW =

  operation.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D453010520-10092006><FONT face=3DArial =
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D453010520-10092006><FONT face=3DArial =
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  LF: 136kHz stations.xls<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope it works,.....here is a little =
list of=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I know it is probably not up-to-date, =
and there=20
  might be stations on it that are no longer QRV, </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>or perhaps silent key.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please let me know if you have =
additional=20
  information.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is just a beginning of a list as =
an try=20
  out;, it has to made complete coming period.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
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Copied WD2XES 03:30-04:35 and WD2XNS 03:45-05:30 last night.


Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
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Better than recent condition on the longer haul route last night.DCF39 is s=
ome 8527Kms from here and became viz at 1710 UTC some 33 mins and 566Kms be=
fore local sunset at Magdeburg. Fade out at 12 mins after Shanghai sunrise.=
 Signals were faintly audible for a couple of hours starting around 1819z.D=
CF39 route goes from Shanghai/Novosibirsk, North to 60 degN, Riga, Magdebur=
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Jean-Pierre

Thanks for the report. Last night was another short night - QRT at 0200Z.

Jay W1VD / WD2XNS



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Hi all on the list !

Last night I copy:
WD2XES > 01:30 to 05:00
WD2XNS > 01:30 to 02:00
the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht











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Hi All,

I now often check around 500KHz for what is going on, I usually see on
SpecLab (sometimes hear) a continuous carrier very  near to 500KHz. On
looking/listening tonight the signal frequency is varying in small steps
(see attachment). I can't decide if it is somthing local to me or a genuine
MF signal. Zero on the capture is 500KHz. Any comments please.

Gary - G4WGT.

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Ive seen images appear like that with the NB on sometime -=20
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> From: mike.dennison@ntlworld.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Date:=
 Sat, 2 Sep 2006 12:59:39 +0100> Subject: Re: LF: Signal image> > Gary,> > =
This was almost certainly me. I am not aware of a problem. How does > my si=
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 Just received a strong signal near 137.700 (SpecLab not calibrated),> > it=
 looks like G3TADV, probably a mis-key. Big problem is that there is> > an =
image at plus & minus about 992 Hz. I have not seen this happen on> > a nor=
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Hi Mike,

Ah, it looks like something knocked out part of your X, I never change the
settings of SpecLab very much & I did a check on DCF39 (much stronger signal
than yours) & no image there using same setup, just changed receiver
frequency.

I will send an attachment direct to you (too large for LF reflector) & see
what you make of it.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

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Gary,

This was almost certainly me. I am not aware of a problem. How does
my sig strength compare with other stations? Does the problem change
when you alter the receive gain?

Mike, G3XDV
==========

> Just received a strong signal near 137.700 (SpecLab not calibrated),
> it looks like G3TADV, probably a mis-key. Big problem is that there is
> an image at plus & minus about 992 Hz. I have not seen this happen on
> a normally received signal. Has the operator got a Tx problem ??
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>





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Mike, Gary,

Mike's signal looked normal to me, but my Argo screen doesn't go out as far
as +/- 99 Hz

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Gary,

This was almost certainly me. I am not aware of a problem. How does
my sig strength compare with other stations? Does the problem change
when you alter the receive gain?

Mike, G3XDV
==========

> Just received a strong signal near 137.700 (SpecLab not calibrated),
> it looks like G3TADV, probably a mis-key. Big problem is that there is
> an image at plus & minus about 992 Hz. I have not seen this happen on
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> Gary - G4WGT.
>





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Gary,

This was almost certainly me. I am not aware of a problem. How does 
my sig strength compare with other stations? Does the problem change 
when you alter the receive gain?

Mike, G3XDV
==========

> Just received a strong signal near 137.700 (SpecLab not calibrated),
> it looks like G3TADV, probably a mis-key. Big problem is that there is
> an image at plus & minus about 992 Hz. I have not seen this happen on
> a normally received signal. Has the operator got a Tx problem ??
> 
> Gary - G4WGT.
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Hi All,

Just received a strong signal near 137.700 (SpecLab not calibrated), it
looks like G3TADV, probably a mis-key. Big problem is that there is an image
at plus & minus about 992 Hz. I have not seen this happen on a normally
received signal. Has the operator got a Tx problem ??

Gary - G4WGT.


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Hi all on the list !

Last night I copy:
WD2XES > 01:30 to 06:00
WD2XNS > 00:45 to 06:00
the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht












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Dick,

You may want to look here as well.

http://www.frappr.com/lowfrequencyoperators

73

Gary - G4WGT.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Mike Dennison
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Dick,

You can get an idea of who is active by checking a few of the web 
sites that carry logs or activity reports. For instance, mine at
http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk
and Hartmut Wolf's at
http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm

There are others.

Several people also list every station they have ever worked on 
136kHz. 

Mike, G3XDV
==========

> I wonder if there is somewhere a (up-to-date) list with active
> stations on 136kHz.
> 
> 73
> 
> Dick, pa4vhf
> 
> will be QRV again this morning around 137.720kHz QRSS/DFCW





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Dick,

You can get an idea of who is active by checking a few of the web 
sites that carry logs or activity reports. For instance, mine at
http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk
and Hartmut Wolf's at
http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm

There are others.

Several people also list every station they have ever worked on 
136kHz. 

Mike, G3XDV
==========

> I wonder if there is somewhere a (up-to-date) list with active
> stations on 136kHz.
> 
> 73
> 
> Dick, pa4vhf
> 
> will be QRV again this morning around 137.720kHz QRSS/DFCW





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73

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23./09/2006   0718z

Hello all and GM!

 PA3FNY cqing now on ~137709 Hz=20
Good sign in JN09tt

73: Jeff F6CWN
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Friends,

There is a second signal which is trying to peak through.  This one looks 
lie a possible QRSS
and is on ~137700.37.  No LORAN on that freq either.  The signal appeared at 
loosely 04:35 UTC.

J 




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Mike and All,

There is something simple that I have been missing concerning mystery 
signals in the band.

The very core of my experiments is the fact that my station is next to a 
power system which utilizes Power Line Carrier (PLC) which is operating in 
the 137 kHz portion of the band.  Any strange signals which I find on the 
band may be leakage from the power system.

I let myself think in terms of deliberately transmitted signals only.  I 
apologize if this thinking has caused any unnecessary activity or concern.

J. 




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Hi all on the list !

Last night , i copy  WD2XES in WOLF
and WD2XNS in QRSS ( poor conditions ! )
with a verry strong storm activity
The captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

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J. and the others,

just look at the list if there is wrong data or data missing.

The list contains following data:

callsign
locator (maidenhead)
mode QRV:  CW, QRSS, DFCW
latest year heard or worked (this says something about the accuracy of the
list...)
TX power
TX antenna
RX antenna
number of QSO's
number of DXCC's

So, just a short mail with these data will be enough.

73

Dick, PA4VHF


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> Dick,
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> Let us know what format you want the information sent to you in, and I am
> sure that most of us would be happy to send what we have.
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> J.
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>
>




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Forwarded on behalf of Laurence who seems to be blocked at present
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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From: Laurence KL1X <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
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the rsgb majordomo doesnt seem to like me at the moment  and is rejecting a
lot of my posts as spam. Anyway Im seeing dcf39 way way before Eu sundown -
so its 1613z and about 1.5 hours before sundown at Mageburg - this is great
to see and really proves the system is working well. THe LW broadcast band
is full of stations though the qrn is peaking over s9.

Lovely place this - just back from live music down by the beach.

cheers

Laurence oj85
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If anyone lacks a program to open .csv files etc., openoffice.org 's
suite will do the trick. Probably the best *free* office suite on the
planet. It opens the file up just fine with it's "Calc" feature.

73,
Randy
KZ4RV

Rik Strobbe wrote:
> Hi Dick,
>
> after recombining the 3 parts of you (very nice) database to a single 
> XLS it was about 39 kB
> Since it is a "text only" database you can save it as a "Microsoft 
> Excel Comma Separated Values File" (.CSV) file without loosing any 
> information / formatting.
> The size of the .CSV file is only 7 kB.
> In addition you can ZIP it to a 3 kB ZIP file (as attached).
> 92% size reduction !
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
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Zitat von Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23 <k2ors@comcast.net>:

>
> Rik,
>   I don't see any PA stations in the new file either.
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
>
the PAs are all caravaning

73
Uwe/dj8wx



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Rik,
   I don't see any PA stations in the new file either.
--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Rik Strobbe <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
> Wil,
> 
> this one better ?
> 
> 73, Rik
> 
> At 15:58 21/09/2006 +0200, you wrote:
> >Hi Rik ,
> >Did unZip and found no PA stations perhaps you forgot one file ? .
> >73,s William PA0WFO
> >
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
> >To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:10 PM
> >Subject: Re: LF: 136kHz-3.xls
> >
> >
> >>Hi Dick,
> >>
> >>after recombining the 3 parts of you (very nice) database to a single XLS
> >>it was about 39 kB
> >>Since it is a "text only" database you can save it as a "Microsoft Excel
> >>Comma Separated Values File" (.CSV) file without loosing any information /
> >>formatting.
> >>The size of the .CSV file is only 7 kB.
> >>In addition you can ZIP it to a 3 kB ZIP file (as attached).
> >>92% size reduction !
> >>
> >>73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> >>
> >>Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
> >>
> >
> >
> 
> 
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Rik,
Still the same file without PA stations made on 15.01Hrs.
73,William
----- Original Message ----- 
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> Wil,
> 
> this one better ?
> 
> 73, Rik




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Wil,

this one better ?

73, Rik

At 15:58 21/09/2006 +0200, you wrote:
>Hi Rik ,
>Did unZip and found no PA stations perhaps you forgot one file ? .
>73,s William PA0WFO
>
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Rik Strobbe" <rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be>
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>
>>Hi Dick,
>>
>>after recombining the 3 parts of you (very nice) database to a single XLS
>>it was about 39 kB
>>Since it is a "text only" database you can save it as a "Microsoft Excel
>>Comma Separated Values File" (.CSV) file without loosing any information /
>>formatting.
>>The size of the .CSV file is only 7 kB.
>>In addition you can ZIP it to a 3 kB ZIP file (as attached).
>>92% size reduction !
>>
>>73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>>
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Hi Rik ,
Did unZip and found no PA stations perhaps you forgot one file ? .
73,s William PA0WFO


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> Hi Dick,
>
> after recombining the 3 parts of you (very nice) database to a single XLS
> it was about 39 kB
> Since it is a "text only" database you can save it as a "Microsoft Excel
> Comma Separated Values File" (.CSV) file without loosing any information /
> formatting.
> The size of the .CSV file is only 7 kB.
> In addition you can ZIP it to a 3 kB ZIP file (as attached).
> 92% size reduction !
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
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Hi Dick,

after recombining the 3 parts of you (very nice) database to a single XLS 
it was about 39 kB
Since it is a "text only" database you can save it as a "Microsoft Excel 
Comma Separated Values File" (.CSV) file without loosing any information / 
formatting.
The size of the .CSV file is only 7 kB.
In addition you can ZIP it to a 3 kB ZIP file (as attached).
92% size reduction !

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm


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Hi, Dick.

Nice piece of work. BTW, my locator is IO91RM, not RI, as sometimes appears.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM (Iver, Bucks near Windsor)



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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dick
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Subject: LF: 136kHz stations.xls


  Hello all,

  I hope it works,.....here is a little list of stations active on 136kHz.

  I know it is probably not up-to-date, and there might be stations on it
that are no longer QRV,
  or perhaps silent key.
  Please let me know if you have additional information.

  This is just a beginning of a list as an try out;, it has to made complete
coming period.

  73

  Dick, pa4vhf

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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope it works,.....here is a little =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is just a beginning of a list as =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
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Hi Dick,

Nice one !

Please update my entry to show LOC IO83qp & also for DFCW operation.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

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Hello all,

I hope it works,.....here is a little list of stations active on 136kHz.

I know it is probably not up-to-date, and there might be stations on it that
are no longer QRV,
or perhaps silent key.
Please let me know if you have additional information.

This is just a beginning of a list as an try out;, it has to made complete
coming period.

73

Dick, pa4vhf

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owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
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</B>Dick<BR><B>Sent:</B> 10 September 2006 20:49<BR><B>To:</B>=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope it works,.....here is a little =
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might be stations on it that are no longer QRV, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>or perhaps silent key.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please let me know if you have =
additional=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is just a beginning of a list as =
an try out;,=20
it has to made complete coming period.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
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TNX Jeff,

now in QSO with DK7SU,

73, Victor,PA3FNY
  -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
  Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens F6CWN
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  Hello all and GM!

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Hello Warren,

welcome to the club! Hope to exchange some reception reports between DI2BO
and WD2XSH during the wintertime.

Best 73

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO



----- Original Message ----- 
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> WD2XSH has issued for 505-510 kHZ !
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
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Steve,

    We are good to go now. Its up to the individuals to get their stations on the air.


--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ/WD2XSH/23
FN42hi
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> 
> 
> 
> > WD2XSH has issued for 505-510 kHZ !
> 
> Exciting news Warren...does this mean that you fellows are good-to-go now or
> are there still some more hoops to jump? At 20w erp, trans-continental QSO's
> should be fairly regular during the quiet winter nights!
> 
> Steve / VE7SL
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> WD2XSH has issued for 505-510 kHZ !

Exciting news Warren...does this mean that you fellows are good-to-go now or
are there still some more hoops to jump? At 20w erp, trans-continental QSO's
should be fairly regular during the quiet winter nights!

Steve / VE7SL





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Jean-Pierre,

Yes, that was WD2XES! I was making some tuning adjustments for about 15=20
minutes, and stopped because of the wind and rain.

John A.

Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:

> John (W1TAG)are you transmit on 137577 (23:15 > 23:25) picture #46!


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Hi all on the list !

Last night , i copy  WD2XNS  !
John (W1TAG)are you transmit on 137577 (23:15 > 23:25) picture #46!
The captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

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Hello, All,

Steve and I were just working on normal CW QSO.   I have a large 
yellow-orange cat that looks like the Disney Thomasina.  Apparently he likes 
the sound of Steve's fist, because he promptly climbed up on the rig and 
spent quite a bit of time making sure I was typing what he was hearing.

Don't you just love cats?  That is until they climb down and use the Keybord 
for a front porch.

J. 




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Hi All,

I decided to check my receive & Speclab set up & I tuned to DCF39 which is
even stronger than the other signal & there is no image on that.

I did note that DCF39 is still transmitting intermittently.

Gary - G4WGT.

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Hi All,

I think I got my decimal point wrong, it should be 99.2 Hz or near.

Gary.

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Hi All,

Just received a strong signal near 137.700 (SpecLab not calibrated), it
looks like G3TADV, probably a mis-key. Big problem is that there is an image
at plus & minus about 992 Hz. I have not seen this happen on a normally
received signal. Has the operator got a Tx problem ??

Gary - G4WGT.


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Hi Dick,

> By the way, a bit sorry to see that until now only one (!) station   
> send addititional information
> concerning the latest list.........
> Also in the previous lists I found only a very few people sending me  
>  information....
Even though I am not active on 136 kHz at the moment, due to no  
antenna and (almost) no time, the list seems very useful to me.
To complete the information on my LF station:
I was running 400 W into a "lazy L" antenna 14 m high and 4 parallel  
wires as topload (each 23 m and 0.75 m separated)
I worked 87 stations in 19 countries

Maybe it's more convenient to put the XLS or CSV file somewhere on the  
web for downloading.

Anyway, keep up the good work.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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Hello Dick,

it's no big deal to convert an XLS to CSV:
1. load the XLS file
2. click on "File" in the upper left corner
3. click on the "Save as" option
4. at the bottom of the pop-up screen that appears now you can see =20
"Save as type". Click on the down arrow and scroll a bit down until =20
you see "CSV (comma delimited)". Select this option.
5. if required change the file name (in fact no need as the .CSV will =20
never overwrite the .XLS)
6. click on "Save"

73, Rik  ON7YD

Quoting Dick <knaap159@zonnet.nl>:

> Hello Rik, and the others
>
> Thanks for the tip about compressing the file.
> Unfortunatly I have not enough knowledge to do this.
>
> Maybe you forgot the parts 1 and 2....
>
> I send the list in 3 different mails xls1, 2 and 3
>
> By the way, a bit sorry to see that until now only one (!) station  =20
> send addititional information
> concerning the latest list.........
> Also in the previous lists I found only a very few people sending me =20
>  information....
>
> Perhaps there isn't that much interest in it, I don't know.
>
> Anyway, upcoming weekend I will do some final tests on the  =20
> DX-pedition equipement,
> especially on the receiving part.
>
> 73
>
> Dick, PA4VHF
>



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Hello Rik, and the others

Thanks for the tip about compressing the file.
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Maybe you forgot the parts 1 and 2....

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Dick, PA4VHF

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Dick,
You could use a quarter wave length of 75 ohm coax in series from the base,
as a matching transformer....allowing for velocity factor of course
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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From: Dick <knaap159@zonnet.nl>
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Subject: LF: antenna calculation..help needed


Hello all,

It's off topic, but as I can't find it on the net I'll ask it here.

I want to modify an old 27MHz CB antenna to an quarter wave vertical for 30m
(10.14MHz)

Diameter is tapering from 26 to 15mm.

Question: what length should it have? I suppose 0.25 wavelength x 0.96 or
so...

Sofar not a big problem, but as I will use 36 radials direct on the ground,
it's radiation resitance will be
around 36Ohm.

To match this to 50Ohm I can use a series capacitor, but what value this
should be??

Who can tell me?

73

Dick, pa4vhf



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Hello Dick ,
To match a resistive load of 36 Ohms to 50 Ohms you need a L network =
consisting of  a coil of 0,4 microH from your TX to the antenna and a =
capacitor of 195 pF from the 50 Ohms side to ground ( freq, 10,140 Mhz ) =
as calculated with the L matching network calculator ( supplied with the =
ARRL antennabook ) . I use this calculator quite often with good results =
. I will send you the program ( Old MS DOS ) in a seperate E-mail .
73, William PA0WFO
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Hello all,

  It's off topic, but as I can't find it on the net I'll ask it here.

  I want to modify an old 27MHz CB antenna to an quarter wave vertical =
for 30m (10.14MHz)

  Diameter is tapering from 26 to 15mm.

  Question: what length should it have? I suppose 0.25 wavelength x 0.96 =
or so...

  Sofar not a big problem, but as I will use 36 radials direct on the =
ground, it's radiation resitance will be
  around 36Ohm.

  To match this to 50Ohm I can use a series capacitor, but what value =
this should be??

  Who can tell me?

  73

  Dick, pa4vhf
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calculation..help=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Diameter is tapering from 26 to=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sofar not a big problem, but as I =
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I paid about �400 for mine - I figured I would have to pay that for just a receiver (eg Racal) so this way I got a spare HF Tx. The 850 came with auto antenna tune (SAT  version) which I find very useful.
   
  I now see there are two TS850 on Ebay - one with a starting price of �375.
   
  Brian (G3YKB)  

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what is a fair price ??

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> Hi All -
>
>   I see there is a TS850 for sale on Ebay (item 140026383353).
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Marcus and other watchers,

The message and ID method has changed on the VY1JA beacon.

The callsign is transmitted at 9 WPM and the letters JA are transmitted at 
QRSS30.  This is repeated in a continuous loop.  The purpose is to let the 
faster CW id be an indicator of greater signal strength.  The beacon is 
currently at 225 W RF out to the antenna, or about 0.5 W ierp.

Marcus,
Thanks for the excellent note on the RF grounding of the center tap.  Is 
there an article on that in written in English so that I can learn a bit 
about the subject?

73,

J.





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In a message dated 02/09/2006 13:09:20 GMT Standard Time,  
g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk writes:

Mike  & LF,

If that was you at about 137.700 with a 1.5 min carrier at  about 1258z then
I have images at about plus & minus 50Hz &  100Hz.

Is anyone else watching please.

Gary -  G4WGT.





Mains 50Hz AM modulated ?
 
73
 
David

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Thanks, Alan,

Whatever it was... it made a straight line with very marginal bits of data 
in and out and not quite like a fading LORAN and definitely not on LORAN 
frequency.   Another step into the Twilight Zone.... :o)

J




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Hi J,

I am in Rx mode, Mike has Tx'd intermittently near that frequency not sure
about exact times.

73

Gary - G4WGT.



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Mike and Gary,

At my grayline, I copied some bits of a signal on ~137699.5.  There is no
LORAN line listed for that frequency.  Is there something from Europe or was
I seeing traces of one of your signals.  It had one longer carrier down at
about 13:35.

Is it possible that I am saw something from one of you?

J




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Hi J well I dont think it is Mike who is the strongest signal here at
present but who is a few Hz above 137.700kHz.  We have been in daylight here
just too long for transmission on that length path.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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> Mike and Gary,
>
> At my grayline, I copied some bits of a signal on ~137699.5.  There is no
> LORAN line listed for that frequency.  Is there something from Europe or
was
> I seeing traces of one of your signals.  It had one longer carrier down at
> about 13:35.
>
> Is it possible that I am saw something from one of you?
>
> J
>
>
>



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Mike and Gary,

At my grayline, I copied some bits of a signal on ~137699.5.  There is no 
LORAN line listed for that frequency.  Is there something from Europe or was 
I seeing traces of one of your signals.  It had one longer carrier down at 
about 13:35.

Is it possible that I am saw something from one of you?

J 




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Mike,

I am monitoring on two different receivers & two different antennas (LF
vertical & LF Mini-Whip). In view of what you have said about 50Hz hum I
have at present only got half my ground rods connected due to making
possible grounding improvements which I have not finished yet (rained off),
surely that can't cause me to see an image at plus & minus 50 & 100 Hz?

Gary.

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Yes it was. See my direct e-mail for the result of this test. 50 and
100Hz suggests hum somewhere doesn't it.

Mike
====

> If that was you at about 137.700 with a 1.5 min carrier at about 1258z
> then I have images at about plus & minus 50Hz & 100Hz.
>
> Is anyone else watching please.
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>





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Yes it was. See my direct e-mail for the result of this test. 50 and 
100Hz suggests hum somewhere doesn't it.

Mike
====

> If that was you at about 137.700 with a 1.5 min carrier at about 1258z
> then I have images at about plus & minus 50Hz & 100Hz.
> 
> Is anyone else watching please.
> 
> Gary - G4WGT.
> 





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Mike & LF,

If that was you at about 137.700 with a 1.5 min carrier at about 1258z then
I have images at about plus & minus 50Hz & 100Hz.

Is anyone else watching please.

Gary - G4WGT.


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 Dick,

> Who is transmitting what on about 137.700kHz?
> It's a steady carrier with ocasionally a short shift down a few Hertz.

I saw OK2BVG on 137.700 khz and DK6NI on 137.727 kHz 08:35-08:40. Both
calling CQ with no response. My antenna was pointing at about 320 degrees
and both stations were just readable as they are not in the main
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Your signal was very strong and I'll upload screenshots on my
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Who is transmitting what on about 137.700kHz?
It's a steady carrier with ocasionally a short shift down a few Hertz.

73

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sofar no response on my CQ calls.....
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Thanks for rx report Jeff.

I worked DL2HRE on DFCW and Mal, G3KEV on CW.

Several times called : DK7SU, SM6BHZ and DL3NRV/p but none of them =
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Dick,

My locator is JO22GD en niet JO22DE.

Since August 1998 I have worked the following Dutch stations; but only a 
few of them are still active:

PA0LQ,  PA0CWF, PA0MLC, PA0SSB, PA0DSW, PA0CC, PA0KDM, PA0AWN, PA0MJK, 
PA0LEG, PA0VBR, PA0BWL, PA0WFS, PA2NJN, PA2DWH, PA3CPM, PA3EGO, 
PI4OSS,  PA3FNY, PI4VPO/LT, PI4OSS, PA0WFO, PA3GXB, PA0VHF, PA0AKN.

All using normal CW.

73, Dick, PA0SE

At 21:48 10-9-06, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>
>I hope it works,.....here is a little list of stations active on 136kHz.
>
>I know it is probably not up-to-date, and there might be stations on it 
>that are no longer QRV,
>or perhaps silent key.
>Please let me know if you have additional information.
>
>This is just a beginning of a list as an try out;, it has to made complete 
>coming period.
>
>73
>
>Dick, pa4vhf

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<font size=3>Dick,<br><br>
My locator is JO22GD en niet JO22DE.<br><br>
Since August 1998 I have worked the following Dutch stations; but only a
few of them are still active: <br><br>
PA0LQ,&nbsp; PA0CWF, PA0MLC, PA0SSB, PA0DSW, PA0CC, PA0KDM, PA0AWN,
PA0MJK, PA0LEG, PA0VBR, PA0BWL, PA0WFS, PA2NJN, PA2DWH, PA3CPM, PA3EGO,
PI4OSS,&nbsp; PA3FNY, PI4VPO/LT, PI4OSS, PA0WFO, PA3GXB, PA0VHF,
PA0AKN.<br><br>
All using normal CW.<br><br>
73, Dick, PA0SE <br><br>
At 21:48 10-9-06, you wrote:<br>
</font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font face="arial" size=2>Hello
all,<br>
</font><font size=3>&nbsp;<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>I hope it works,.....here is a little
list of stations active on 136kHz.<br>
</font><font size=3>&nbsp;<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>I know it is probably not up-to-date,
and there might be stations on it that are no longer QRV, <br>
or perhaps silent key.<br>
Please let me know if you have additional information.<br>
</font><font size=3>&nbsp;<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>This is just a beginning of a list as an
try out;, it has to made complete coming period.<br>
</font><font size=3>&nbsp;<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>73<br>
</font><font size=3>&nbsp;<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>Dick, pa4vhf<br>
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Hi Dick,

   Could you add WD2XGJ QRSS FN42hi ?

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From: "Dick" <knaap159@zonnet.nl>
> Hello all,
> 
> I hope it works,.....here is a little list of stations active on 136kHz.
> 
> I know it is probably not up-to-date, and there might be stations on it that are 
> no longer QRV, 
> or perhaps silent key.
> Please let me know if you have additional information.
> 
> This is just a beginning of a list as an try out;, it has to made complete 
> coming period.
> 
> 73
> 
> Dick, pa4vhf




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Hello all,

I hope it works,.....here is a little list of stations active on 136kHz.

I know it is probably not up-to-date, and there might be stations on it =
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Please let me know if you have additional information.

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Dear LF,

"T" > "M" signal from DM2BHG in QRSS3 this evening. Looks like LF conditions
are improving. (Screenshot attached).
I've only heard Rainer once before, and that was last year.

"M" copy of DL2HRE in DFCW3 also.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Remember that a short cb antenna has inductive loading in it somewhere,
which means that if you are adding a whip  in series with exixting antenna
then the length for resonance will not be the same as for plain wire. I
regard a cb antenna as being about 9 feet long electrically . You are wrong
to multiply by .96; that applies to wire antennas with large insulators. If
your proposal is to have a self supporting rod without insulator holding it
up then you will need all of a calculated quarter wave at 10.140 minus 9
feet for the cb.

The feed point impedance may well be different from theory. If you make up
the L-match then make it variable  either side of the values proffered by
William.

Another matching system I have used empirically on my boat with good
sea-water around is to feed at a point up about 3 feet from the ground. I
have operated trans-atlantic like this with no matching device at all. Try
it !

If your CB antenna is a plain whip with base loading coil try feeding it at
the junction between inductance and rod.

It gets trickier at 136 tho'  ;-))



Bryan G3GVB


----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: Re: antenna calculation..help needed


Hello Dick ,
To match a resistive load of 36 Ohms to 50 Ohms you need a L network
consisting of  a coil of 0,4 microH from your TX to the antenna and a
capacitor of 195 pF from the 50 Ohms side to ground ( freq, 10,140 Mhz ) as
calculated with the L matching network calculator ( supplied with the ARRL
antennabook ) . I use this calculator quite often with good results . I will
send you the program ( Old MS DOS ) in a seperate E-mail .
73, William PA0WFO
  ----- Original Message -----
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  Hello all,

  It's off topic, but as I can't find it on the net I'll ask it here.

  I want to modify an old 27MHz CB antenna to an quarter wave vertical for
30m (10.14MHz)

  Diameter is tapering from 26 to 15mm.

  Question: what length should it have? I suppose 0.25 wavelength x 0.96 or
so...

  Sofar not a big problem, but as I will use 36 radials direct on the
ground, it's radiation resitance will be
  around 36Ohm.

  To match this to 50Ohm I can use a series capacitor, but what value this
should be??

  Who can tell me?

  73

  Dick, pa4vhf



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Hi all on the list !

Large stormy activity this night!
just at daybreak I copied:
WD2XES and WD2XNS

the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht











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Hi Jeff there is nothing audible here in JO02pb. I seem to remember there
was always a signal at about 745 (?) and another about 10 Hz up that DF'd
south from the UK. Your report suggest it is not a normally seen signal. The
two I noted were always visible on my Spectran screen, over many years,
until Rugby Loran started. They were a good guide the rx system was working
properly.

73 Alan G3NYK

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15./09/2006   2103z

 Good night to all,
I receive a big carrier on 137.745 KHz at present time.
Somebody on air or ghost in my reception? (LORAN??)
73: Jeff  F6CWN (JN09tt)







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Dick,

Let us know what format you want the information sent to you in, and I am 
sure that most of us would be happy to send what we have.

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J

You need to use powdered iron cores, not ferrite, for the LPF.

The T-200-2 cores are readily available from California at around $5.00 each
Cnd:

http://www.cwsbytemark.com/prices/coresrf.php

Even though your large air core coils are at right angles, they are still
fairly close together and there will still be a fair amount of mutual
coupling between them. The field from a 90mm dia air core coil is
unbelievably large as I found out in my DX crystal radio-building
experiments...so who knows what effect this is having on the LPF.

Steve / VE7SL

Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at   http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm

PS...what configuration is your daytime beacon running??...it looks like a
CW ident or two, followed by a few long dashes?



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Hi Dick

I worked LX1PD several times on CW and had the first G-LZ qso on 31 -jan =
-1999. I have a qsl card for the qso.

73 de Mal/G3KEV
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Dick=20
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  Hello , did some look around with google but couldn't find a list with =
firsts from LX on 136kHz.
  Only 5 QSO's found on G3YXM's website:

  DF2PY-LX1PD     31-01-99
  F6CNI-LX1PD    15-05-99
  G3YXM-LX1PD    5-7-98
  I5MXX-LX1PD    8-5-99
  ON7YD-LX1PD    20-9-99

  Any country missing???

  Would glad to know if an QSO is a first during the expedition.

  73

  Dick, pa4vhf

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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello , did some look around with =
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  couldn't find a list with firsts from LX on 136kHz.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Only 5 QSO's found on G3YXM's=20
  website:</FONT></DIV>
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8-5-99</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>ON7YD-LX1PD&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
20-9-99</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any country missing???</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Would glad to know if an QSO is a =
first during=20
  the expedition.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
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Tom Gruis schrieb:
>
> Hello from Iowa, USA.
>
> Please excuse my asking � but � what is �EFR?�
>
> TNX es 73,
>
> Doc.
>

EFR = "Europ�ische Funk-Rundsteuerung"
= European remote control service via wireless,
controls electricity meters, streetlamps, and similar stuff via longwave 
signals.

www.*efr*.de


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Hi Wolfgang,

for a quick comparison, I set up SpecLab's generator for 100 Hz squarewave=20
FM, 170 Hz shift. The first five lines on either side were nearly identical=20=
to=20
those in the observed EFR spectrum. Bandlimiting (or shaping) sets in at 600=
=20
Hz, with something like 10 to 15 dB down at 1.1 kHz offset. I think those ha=
rd=20
transitions are also present on DCF39.

As the operational data bursts will appear only every 10 seconds or so, the=20
impact on straight CW may finally be not that bad. Get nine characters, drop=
=20
one :-(

73 and regards
Markus

In einer eMail vom 12.09.2006 21:42:54 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt=
=20
dl4yhf@freenet.de:=20

> Hi Markus and all,
>=20
> I heard the signal today and wondered why it's so broad - don't they=20
> apply amplitude shaping to the baseband signal before modulating it, or=20
> what do you think ?
> I couldn't record the signal when I heard it but it sounded very harsh=20
> to me, almost like deliberately to produce broad sidebands.
> Still I don't like the idea to have to use a 'puter to get rid of this=20
> on 136.5 in CW ;-)
>=20
> 73,
> Wolf DL4YHF=20


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=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"2">Hi Wolfgang,<BR>
<BR>
for a quick comparison, I set up SpecLab's generator for 100 Hz squarewave F=
M, 170 Hz shift. The first five lines on either side were nearly identical t=
o those in the observed EFR spectrum. Bandlimiting (or shaping) sets in at 6=
00 Hz, with something like 10 to 15 dB down at 1.1 kHz offset. I think those=
 hard transitions are also present on DCF39.<BR>
<BR>
As the operational data bursts will appear only every 10 seconds or so, the=20=
impact on straight CW may finally be not that bad. Get nine characters, drop=
 one :-(<BR>
<BR>
73 and regards<BR>
Markus<BR>
<BR>
In einer eMail vom 12.09.2006 21:42:54 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt=
 dl4yhf@freenet.de: <BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hi Markus and all,<BR>
<BR>
I heard the signal today and wondered why it's so broad - don't they <BR>
apply amplitude shaping to the baseband signal before modulating it, or <BR>
what do you think ?<BR>
I couldn't record the signal when I heard it but it sounded very harsh <BR>
to me, almost like deliberately to produce broad sidebands.<BR>
Still I don't like the idea to have to use a 'puter to get rid of this <BR>
on 136.5 in CW ;-)<BR>
<BR>
73,<BR>
Wolf DL4YHF </BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Hi Markus and all,

I heard the signal today and wondered why it's so broad - don't they 
apply amplitude shaping to the baseband signal before modulating it, or 
what do you think ?
I couldn't record the signal when I heard it but it sounded very harsh 
to me, almost like deliberately to produce broad sidebands.
Still I don't like the idea to have to use a 'puter to get rid of this 
on 136.5 in CW ;-)

73,
 Wolf DL4YHF .

MarkusVester@aol.com schrieb:
> Dear Uwe,
>
> the FSK tests from Hungary were on air between 11:20 and 13:55, and 
> intermittently for a few minutes before 15:00 and 16:00 - see 
> http://members.aol.com/df6nm3/Archive_2006/0912.HTM . Dave 'YXM 
> reported a silent carrier on 135.47 earlier today, which is outside my 
> grabber's range.
>
> So it looks like we all got the problem...
>
> 73 de Markus, DF6NM
>
> jannsen@versanet.de:
>
>> Hi Markus and Ko,
>> was the station off today?
>> if so, I have a problem.
>> regards
>> Uwe/dj8wx
>
>



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Dear Uwe,

the FSK tests from Hungary were on air between 11:20 and 13:55, and 
intermittently for a few minutes before 15:00 and 16:00 - see 
http://members.aol.com/df6nm3/Archive_2006/0912.HTM . Dave 'YXM reported a silent carrier on 135.47 
earlier today, which is outside my grabber's range.

So it looks like we all got the problem...

73 de Markus, DF6NM

jannsen@versanet.de: 

> Hi Markus and Ko,
> was the station off today?
> if so, I have a problem.
> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx
> 


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the FSK tests from Hungary were on air between 11:20 and 13:55, and intermit=
tently for a few minutes before 15:00 and 16:00 - see <A HREF=3D"http://memb=
ers.aol.com/df6nm3/Archive_2006/0912.HTM">http://members.aol.com/df6nm3/Arch=
ive_2006/0912.HTM</A> . Dave 'YXM reported a silent carrier on 135.47 earlie=
r today, which is outside my grabber's range.<BR>
<BR>
So it looks like we all got the problem...<BR>
<BR>
73 de Markus, DF6NM<BR>
<BR>
jannsen@versanet.de: <BR>
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was the station off today?<BR>
if so, I have a problem.<BR>
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Zitat von markusvester@aol.com:

>
> Dear LF,
>
> the "big buzzer" is on again today... it's most certainly the EFR 
> transmitter at Budapest-Lakihegy, 135.6 kHz:
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&hl=3Dde&q=3D47+22+17+N,+19+00+22+E&ie=
=3DUTF8&z=3D18&ll=3D47.373866,19.004492&spn=3D0.003426,0.005488&t=3Dk&om=3D=
1
>
> Several times I could hear relatively weak sweep signals, probably 
> generated by a network analyzer used for antenna testing. Most of the 
> high power tests were apparently applying a continuous 010101 
> sequence at 202.55 baud FSK, causing the hum-like sidebands. Reducing 
> the receiver gain by 7 dB cleared up the severe overloading effects 
> on the LF grabber. This left a set of thin red lines spaced at 101 
> Hz, reaching up to about 136.7 kHz. However with real data, the 
> sidebands will smear out and clutter the lower half of the band 
> during the telegrams.
>
>
> Spectrum taken 06-09-11 6:41, 135.600 kHz at 1100 Hz.
>
> Assuming that we will have to live with this beast, I wonder if there 
> is a way to extract its teeth. A signal processing software could 
> decode the data, model the filter transfer function and estimate the 
> FSK transition times. Then one could generate a local replica of the 
> signal, and use that to cancel it. Seems related to a key-click 
> filter algorithm ( http://www.dxatlas.com/Rocky/ ) - has anyone in 
> the group tried to implement something similar?
>
> Kind regards
> Markus, DF6NM
>
>
>
>
> -----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
> Von: nl9222@xs4all.nl
> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Verschickt: Sa., 9.Sept.2006, 11:47
> Thema: Re: LF: Big signal with hum...
>
>
> Dave G3WCB wrote:
>> Anybody else notice the ghastly big signal with 50Hz hum bars on around
>> 135,500 kHz? It's been on and off all evening, and is on at the moment
>> (2250z)
>> > I thought it was local to me, but it also appears on Marcus's grabber =
:-(
>> > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
> Dave and all
> The signal here was S9 + 50dB, "blackening" the whole band
> See images ... if they make it here
> Full band image still is on the grabber [time is in utc]
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~nl9222/136grab.htm
>
> Hopefully this device has been selfdestructed ;-)
> 73 de Ko, NL9222
>
>
>
>

Hi Markus and Ko,
was the station off today?
if so, I have a problem.
regards
Uwe/dj8wx



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Dear LF,
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the "big buzzer" is on again today... it's most certainly the EFR transmitte=
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http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&hl=3Dde&q=3D47+22+17+N,+19+00+22+E&ie=3DUT=
F8&z=3D18&ll=3D47.373866,19.004492&spn=3D0.003426,0.005488&t=3Dk&om=3D1
=20
Several times I could hear relatively weak sweep signals, probably generated=
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s were apparently applying a continuous 010101 sequence at 202.55 baud FSK,=20=
causing the hum-like sidebands. Reducing the receiver gain by 7 dB cleared u=
p the severe overloading effects on the LF grabber. This left a set of thin=20=
red lines spaced at 101 Hz, reaching up to about 136.7 kHz. However with rea=
l data, the sidebands will smear out and clutter the lower half of the band=20=
during the telegrams.
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Spectrum taken 06-09-11 6:41, 135.600 kHz at 1100 Hz.

Assuming that we will have to live with this beast, I wonder if there is a w=
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Rocky/ ) - has anyone in the group tried to implement something similar?
=20
Kind regards
Markus, DF6NM

=20
=20
=20
-----Urspr=C3=BCngliche Mitteilung-----
Von: nl9222@xs4all.nl
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Verschickt: Sa., 9.Sept.2006, 11:47
Thema: Re: LF: Big signal with hum...


Dave G3WCB wrote:=20
> Anybody else notice the ghastly big signal with 50Hz hum bars on around=20
> 135,500 kHz? It's been on and off all evening, and is on at the moment=20
> (2250z)=20
> > I thought it was local to me, but it also appears on Marcus's grabber :-=
(=20
> > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM=20
=20
Dave and all=20
The signal here was S9 + 50dB, "blackening" the whole band=20
See images ... if they make it here=20
Full band image still is on the grabber [time is in utc]=20
http://www.xs4all.nl/~nl9222/136grab.htm=20
=20
Hopefully this device has been selfdestructed ;-)=20
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<div>the "big buzzer" is on again today... it's most certainly the EFR trans=
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<A href=3D"http://maps.google.com/maps?f=3Dq&amp;hl=3Dde&amp;q=3D47+22+17+N,=
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<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Several times I could hear relatively weak sweep signals, probably gene=
rated by a network analyzer used for antenna testing. Most of the high power=
 tests were apparently applying a continuous 010101 sequence at 202.55 baud=20=
FSK, causing the hum-like sidebands. Reducing the receiver gain by 7 dB clea=
red up the severe overloading effects on the LF grabber. This left a set of=20=
thin red lines spaced at 101 Hz, reaching up to about 136.7 kHz. However wit=
h real data, the sidebands will smear out and clutter the lower half of the=20=
band during the telegrams.</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div><A href=3D"http://fotocenter.aol.de/ap/singleImage.do?pid=3Da7b0L9M7SR*=
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Spectrum taken 06-09-11 6:41, 135.600 kHz at 1100 Hz.</div>


<div><br>
Assuming that we will have to live with this beast, I wonder if there is a w=
ay to extract its teeth. A signal processing software could decode the data,=
 model the filter transfer function and estimate the FSK transition times. T=
hen one could generate a local replica of the signal, and use that to cancel=
 it. Seems related to a key-click filter algorithm ( <A href=3D"http://www.d=
xatlas.com/Rocky/">http://www.dxatlas.com/Rocky/</A> ) - has anyone in the g=
roup tried to implement something similar?</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>


<div>Kind regards</div>


<div>Markus, DF6NM</div>


<div><br>
&nbsp;</div>


<div>&nbsp;</div>
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<div class=3DAOLPlainTextBody id=3DAOLMsgPart_1_f0d018f8-2ce4-4bea-ac8c-51ba=
edf80a08>Dave G3WCB wrote:&nbsp;<br>
&gt; Anybody else notice the ghastly big signal with 50Hz hum bars on around=
&nbsp;<br>
&gt; 135,500 kHz? It's been on and off all evening, and is on at the moment&=
nbsp;<br>
&gt; (2250z)&nbsp;<br>
&gt; &gt; I thought it was local to me, but it also appears on Marcus's grab=
ber :-(&nbsp;<br>
&gt; &gt; 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Dave and all&nbsp;<br>
The signal here was S9 + 50dB, "blackening" the whole band&nbsp;<br>
See images ... if they make it here&nbsp;<br>
Full band image still is on the grabber [time is in utc]&nbsp;<br>
<A href=3D"http://www.xs4all.nl/~nl9222/136grab.htm" target=3D_blank>http://=
www.xs4all.nl/~nl9222/136grab.htm</A>&nbsp;<br>
&nbsp;<br>
Hopefully this device has been selfdestructed ;-)&nbsp;<br>
73 de Ko, NL9222&nbsp;<br>
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Zitat von Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>:

>
> Anybody else notice the ghastly big signal with 50Hz hum bars on around
> 135,500 kHz? It's been on and off all evening, and is on at the moment
> (2250z)
>
> I thought it was local to me, but it also appears on Marcus's grabber :-(
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
>
>
>

Yes, Dave, here in the north northern part of Germany (jo43sv) vy strong.
so strong I thought a member of my family was using a new sort of elec
machine and I shouted through the house but it didnt stop.

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Dave G3WCB wrote:
> Anybody else notice the ghastly big signal with 50Hz hum bars on around
> 135,500 kHz? It's been on and off all evening, and is on at the moment
> (2250z)
> 
> I thought it was local to me, but it also appears on Marcus's grabber :-(
> 
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

Dave and all
The signal here was S9 + 50dB, "blackening" the whole band
See images ... if they make it here
Full band image still is on the grabber [time is in utc]
http://www.xs4all.nl/~nl9222/136grab.htm

Hopefully this device has been selfdestructed ;-)
73 de Ko, NL9222

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Hi, Wolf, Alan, LF.

Yes, that's the one. It was at least as strong as DCF39, and much stronger
than SXV :-(

 Argo grab attached showing the Big Signal in two different modes, centred
on 135,550, along with SXV for comparison.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Wolf DL4YHF
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Subject: Re: LF: Big signal with hum...


Hi Dave,

I heard it (at DK4U) too, and it sounded horrible : like a bad tube
amplifier with all caps in the PSU removed ;-) Also though some local
appliance was running wild, but obviously it wasn't .

73,  Wolf DL4YHF JO42FD

Dave G3WCB schrieb:
> Anybody else notice the ghastly big signal with 50Hz hum bars on around
> 135,500 kHz? It's been on and off all evening, and is on at the moment
> (2250z)
>
> I thought it was local to me, but it also appears on Marcus's grabber :-(
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
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Hi Dave,

I heard it (at DK4U) too, and it sounded horrible : like a bad tube 
amplifier with all caps in the PSU removed ;-) Also though some local 
appliance was running wild, but obviously it wasn't .

73,  Wolf DL4YHF JO42FD

Dave G3WCB schrieb:
> Anybody else notice the ghastly big signal with 50Hz hum bars on around
> 135,500 kHz? It's been on and off all evening, and is on at the moment
> (2250z)
>
> I thought it was local to me, but it also appears on Marcus's grabber :-(
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
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Anybody else notice the ghastly big signal with 50Hz hum bars on around
135,500 kHz? It's been on and off all evening, and is on at the moment
(2250z)

I thought it was local to me, but it also appears on Marcus's grabber :-(

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM




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Dear Rich, LF Group,

I would prefer to think of it as time for a new band plan! After all, the
only reason I know of that the CW segment became centered on 136.5kHz was to
accomodate the crystal frequency in the Ropex TX.

BTW - what sort of QRM do you get? The telegrams themselves only occupy a
short time period, so although annoying they wouldn't really prevent
operation in themselves.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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Hello LF group...

It's true, 100kW near Budapest make a strange QRM in lower part of 136kc.
I'm about 100km from Budapest and is unpossible to do anything in CW band.
On 137.7 is OK. Time to go QRT?

Rich OM2TW

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Dave,

Thanks for the report, which makes three from EU last night. As advised 
earlier, XES will be in WOLF (10) mode tonight on 137.577 kHz. I will 
probably do this for a few nights, though the Thursday night/Friday 
morning run may start late.

John Andrews

Dave G3WCB wrote:
> Hi, John, LF,
> 
> Copied one "XES" callsign cycle at 0500z this morning. (Screenshot
> attached). This was the strongest that XES has been for quite a few days.
> 
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
> 
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Hi, John, LF,

Copied one "XES" callsign cycle at 0500z this morning. (Screenshot
attached). This was the strongest that XES has been for quite a few days.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM


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Hi all on the list !

Last night , i copy  WD2XES  !
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Hi all on the list !

Last night , copy WD2XES in QRSS30
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Hi Wolf and all,

I will try to be active from Belgium, but probably not from the flat in 
central Brussels...

Here I use manual AGC only, for me it's easier to locate signals in QRM 
with this setting. There are no gaps in signals, they are just covered 
by QRM. The drawback is that with manual AGC crashes sound rather 
unpleasant, overdriving the receiver.

73! Marek SQ5BPM

Wolf DL4YHF wrote:
> Hi Marek,
>
> Sorry to hear about SP5ZCC possibly being inactive soon, but good luck 
> in Belgium (maybe with activity from there - if it's not just for the 
> QRL ?).
> Also thanks for the QSO yesterday, which was remarkable because there 
> was such a lot of QRN around ! I first saw you with a "T" to "M" 
> signal, but then, after switching the AGC in the IC706 to "fast", the 
> signal was much clearer on the waterfall because the gaps (caused by 
> the crashes) were much shorter.
>
> Best regards and have a nice sunday all,
>
>  Wolf DL4YHF / DK4U on LF .
>
>  -.-.- DK4U JO42FD = 120Watt into 200m wire, 10m above ground .-.-.
>
>
> Marek SQ5BPM schrieb:
>> Dear LFers,
>>
>> SP5ZCC will be calling CQ on LF tomorrow since the morning hours and 
>> then in the evening as well.
>>
>> I am writing about it, because it might be, that the next LF 
>> operation from Poland will not happen soon. In a few days I am 
>> leaving to Belgium and I am afraid that nobody will be able to launch 
>> the LF station at SP5ZCC. On the other hand, I should be coming to 
>> Poland quite often around holidays... Or maybe finally another LF 
>> station in Poland will appear?
>>
>> Today I've been called by PA3FNY, I saw it on other grabbers. 
>> Unfortunately, NIL received here.
>>
>> Thanks for a nice QSO with DK4U.
>>
>> 73! Marek SQ5BPM
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>


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Hi Marek,

Sorry to hear about SP5ZCC possibly being inactive soon, but good luck 
in Belgium (maybe with activity from there - if it's not just for the 
QRL ?).
Also thanks for the QSO yesterday, which was remarkable because there 
was such a lot of QRN around ! I first saw you with a "T" to "M" signal, 
but then, after switching the AGC in the IC706 to "fast", the signal was 
much clearer on the waterfall because the gaps (caused by the crashes) 
were much shorter.

Best regards and have a nice sunday all,

  Wolf DL4YHF / DK4U on LF .

  -.-.- DK4U JO42FD = 120Watt into 200m wire, 10m above ground .-.-.


Marek SQ5BPM schrieb:
> Dear LFers,
>
> SP5ZCC will be calling CQ on LF tomorrow since the morning hours and 
> then in the evening as well.
>
> I am writing about it, because it might be, that the next LF operation 
> from Poland will not happen soon. In a few days I am leaving to 
> Belgium and I am afraid that nobody will be able to launch the LF 
> station at SP5ZCC. On the other hand, I should be coming to Poland 
> quite often around holidays... Or maybe finally another LF station in 
> Poland will appear?
>
> Today I've been called by PA3FNY, I saw it on other grabbers. 
> Unfortunately, NIL received here.
>
> Thanks for a nice QSO with DK4U.
>
> 73! Marek SQ5BPM
>
>
>



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Dear LFers,

SP5ZCC will be calling CQ on LF tomorrow since the morning hours and 
then in the evening as well.

I am writing about it, because it might be, that the next LF operation 
from Poland will not happen soon. In a few days I am leaving to Belgium 
and I am afraid that nobody will be able to launch the LF station at 
SP5ZCC. On the other hand, I should be coming to Poland quite often 
around holidays... Or maybe finally another LF station in Poland will 
appear?

Today I've been called by PA3FNY, I saw it on other grabbers. 
Unfortunately, NIL received here.

Thanks for a nice QSO with DK4U.

73! Marek SQ5BPM


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Victor van Kooten wrote:
> SP5ZCC giving CQ on 137.707 QRSS10,OO
>   

Since ca. 0700z the noise and QRM level is increasing quickly, the only 
way to receive anything is to use QRSS10. In the early morning the band 
was perfectly clear. The city is waking up...

73! Marek SQ5BPM



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SP5ZCC giving CQ on 137.707 QRSS10,OO

73
Victor PA3FNY
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Hi all on the list !

Last night , i copy  WD2XNS in QRSS
Nothing here of WD2WES in Wolf !
verry noisy last night !
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73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

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Jim and All,

Yes, it is good idea for me to track known leaking PLC signals. For now, I 
am concerned about how strong my signals are in their lines.  Unfortunately, 
the fact that I am not causing interference is good enough for them... I 
would like to measure how strong my signals are in their system in 
comparison with their wanted PLC signals, and I believe that they will allow 
me to set up a receiver and computer in their substation to measure these 
things.  I was the foreman of the maintenance electrical / instrumentation 
staff and had done hands on maintenance of the SCADA / PLC system, and 
because I am a licensed power systems electrician, they know I can work 
around the substation safely.  I feel good that I can convince them to let 
me make measurements.

Believe me, Spectran and Argo will get a workout if they say yes as I 
expect.  It will likely happen next spring, after thaw and before the summer 
load, when jeopardy to the Yukon isolated power grid will be the least. 
When I am there I can track all of the PLC system frequencies that might 
have changed since I retired and see how any outside signal compares with 
the signals within their transmission lines.  I strongly believe, and this 
is supported by their senior PLC technician, that there will be no 
interference at all.  I hope we can prove it.

73

J.




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Hi All - 
   
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Despite the high static level good copy of the 3 active US part 5
stations WD2XES, WD2XKO and WD2XNS last night. Best between 03:00 and
05:00 UTC.

Nil from VO1NA on 187.37


Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
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For those interested in my/our LX DX-pedition, all information about =
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Dear Dick, LF Group,

Always a tricky one - as soon as anyone produces a list, it is out of =
date! Now that LF conditions are starting to improve, with less daytime =
QRN and longer nights, I would expect to see more stations QRV.=20

By the way, your DFCW sigs are audible at around S4 here today - I guess =
that is DK4U calling you in Hell mode. Earlier I had QSOs with DK4U and =
F6BWO in CW, SM6BHZ was also an excellent S6 signal here, but he seemed =
to be having trouble on the receive side.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
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  I wonder if there is somewhere a (up-to-date) list with active =
stations on 136kHz.
  =20
  73
  =20
  Dick, pa4vhf
  =20
  will be QRV again this morning around 137.720kHz QRSS/DFCW

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Always a tricky one - as soon as=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>By the way, your DFCW sigs are audible =
at around S4=20
here today - I guess that is DK4U calling you in Hell mode. Earlier I =
had QSOs=20
with DK4U and F6BWO in CW, SM6BHZ was also an excellent S6 signal here, =
but he=20
seemed to be having trouble on the receive side.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers, Jim Moritz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de M0BMU</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:knaap159@zonnet.nl" =
title=3Dknaap159@zonnet.nl>Dick</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"=20
  title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> =
</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, September 10, =
2006 7:27=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: list of active LF=20
  stations?</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I wonder if there is somewhere a =
(up-to-date)=20
  list with active stations on 136kHz.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick, pa4vhf</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>will be QRV again this morning around =
137.720kHz=20
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Jay and John,

on top of the statics, good XNS and (partly) XES traces were visible ~01:00 
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Hi all on the list !

Last night verry good copy:

WD2XES > 00:00 to 06:00
WD2XNS > 02:00 to 06:00

Strong wind, rain, storm!

the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht











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Hello Jay, LFers,

I caught a nice capture of XNS's signals last night just before
heading off to bed.  I had thought that nobody was on until I
shifted the "window" up a tad.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
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Hi Fabian, hi everybody,
I just installed Wine ver. 0.9.20 and after some trouble configuring the 
stupid Windows drives Argo now works perfectly under SuSE Linux 9.1, Kernel 
2.6.4.

Sabine

> Wine version 20050310, Argo V1 build 134 (the latest version I
> think), OSS sound, 2.4 Kernel.
> No tricks needed here, I just apt-get'ed wine (Debian Sarge) and it
> worked right away.



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Gary, Dave and LF.

I will watch... It is Gray-line here.   Do you believe in miracles?

J.



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Marek,

Excellent job.  Thank you for the start.  You will see VY1JA data is filled 
in... It will be great when it is a full chart.

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Hello Dick and LFers,

I copied the data to a page in the hamwiki project. Not too much is 
there, but at least it's easy to edit for everybody. Just click on 
'edit' link in the top of the page: 
http://www.hamwiki.info/wiki/LF_active_stations .

I hope I didn't violate any copyright for the list and that you like the 
idea.

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----- Original Message -----=20
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Hello all,

It seems that there is indeed interest for the list, I made.

Meanwhile I've done some updates, and also added some new collums.
By adding the columm 'last hrd/wkd'  one can get at least an idea of who =
has been on recently....
As it is an Excel sheet, everybody can change it to it's own demands, =
and add things if necessary.

If you have any additional info, please send me an email and I will =
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73

Dick, PA4VHF
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
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Jim,

Thanks for the good explanation again.  There are several items on the list 
from it.
The coils I wound are about 1" long and 4 inches in diameter and are glued 
in place with epoxy.  When I build my own amp, the filter will be in with 
the final, and will be using the ferrites for a size reduction to make that 
possible and to limit stray pickup.

Later today, (It is 5:00 AM) I plan to follow those of your ideas out which 
can be addressed now.


Jim and All

On a separate vein, I have some torroid cores removed from switching power 
supplies which are yellow with white (-52?), light green with blue (-26) and 
solid dark green (??).

Are any of these materials suitable for use as the SWR protective 
transformer core?


Thanks,
J 




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Rik,

Here is what I have found about the problem here.

As long as I leave the ID function off, the program works perfectly.

If the ID function is turned on, after period of time which seems random, 
the software crashes.

This is with other software disabled or turned off.  Platform = XP Pro,   No 
internet connection,
updates off, A/V protection off.

Set up to send, "_JA_JA_" at QRSS60 and "VY1JA" at 9 WPM

Last night this failed on the 6th repeat.

That is as much information as I think you might want.

There is no RF in the shack,  It is a well matched antenna and all gear is 
grounded to a bus with two ground ties.

J.

VY1JA


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Dear J.,
>
> no need for apologies, I was never offended by your mails.
> After reading that you encountered some problems I just wanted to help by 
> giving some of my experience.
> And as said, if in any way there seems to be a bug in QRS or if QRS can be 
> improved I am always willing to have a look at the code and adapt the 
> software.
> In general, if you (or someone else) encounter(s) a possible bug or any 
> other problem send me following information:
> - describe the bug/problem as accurate as possible, eventually add some 
> screen shots
> - if possible describe what to did with QRS if that can help me to 
> reproduce the bug/problem on one of my computers
> - give me some details about your PC: type (eg Pentium 800MHz) and amount 
> of RAM memory
>
> Keep up the good work on 136 kHz !
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
>
>
> At 05:04 29/09/2006 +0100, you wrote:
>>Rik,
>>
>>It looks like I have made wrong assumptions again.  I am sorry if my words 
>>offended you in any way.
>>The strong support for you and QRS that has been displayed has encouraged 
>>me to get an old laptop out of the cupboard and put only W98 and QRS on it 
>>and make it the beacon keyer.
>>
>>Perhaps then, I can get the fast ID and slow "JA" that I want the beacon 
>>to transmit.
>>
>>Thanks for your work and for your feedback
>>
>>J.
>>
>>VY1JA
>>
>
>
> Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm
>
>
> 




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Hi Dick,

All ok here, done a copy & paste data into one spreadsheet.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

-----Original Message-----
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I split the whole list up in three parts..each smaller than 20kB, I think
thats working, hi

Dick

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Greetings all,

Sorry for this off-band topic but at least it's a bit LF-related:

The Russian "ZEVS" ELF transmitter on 82 Hz is very active these days, 
possibly 24 hours a day. This afternoon I connected DK4U's 200 meter LF 
wire directly to the soundcard ("line-in"), and voila - a weak but very 
stable signal at 82 Hz (unlike 16 2/3 and 50 Hz, which are kind of 
"wobbly" if one takes a close look, and definitely not a signal from a 
CRT monitor). A friend in Italy recently informed me about that 
transmission.

Some interesting reading is here: http://www.vlf.it/zevs/zevs.htm .

Just imagine - they produce an ERP in the "watts"-range, with two earth 
electrodes separated 60 km's, pushing in some 200 .. 300 Amperes to use 
mother earth as antenna.

So, if you find no activity on LF these days (and are sure that the next 
T-storm is far away), just try it - it's amazing what can be seen on ELF 
even if it's not really amateur radio.

Best regards,
 Wolf DL4YHF .


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Hello all,

I am glad to announce that I will activate Luxembourg on 136kHz soon!
I am one of the 7 operators from the PA6Z contestgroup, activating LX =
the first week of October.


Here are the details for 136kHz:

DATE:  september 30  to  october 7  , 2006

Callsign: LX / PA6Z in normal CW only!!
           =20
Callsign: LXPA6Z in QRSS and DFCW , so without the / (-..-.) !! to save =
time.

Modes: normal CW on 136.5kHz +/- QRM

            QRSS/DFCW (3-5 sec/dot) on around 137.720kHz,  RX split =
+/-60Hz from TX QRG

            use the normal T-M-O system on QRSS/DFCW, you can call me =
just after I send RR's ( I think to send "6Z RR")

Operating times: I will try to be QRV around noon (10-11utc) and in the =
evenings after 17utc or so.

Further instructions: LX/PA6Z is QRV on all HF bands troughout the day, =
so if you want to try on 136kHz, please
                              ask one of our operators, and I'll try to =
switch to 136kHz for you.
                              Please put us in the cluster when you =
work/hear us on 136kHz, when it's not in the cluster yet.
                              This will others tell that were on 136.
                              Try to work me in normal CW if possible to =
save time; QRSS/DFCW is primairly used for weak=20
                              signals......

There will be probably no direct access to the internet from the site, =
but we will try to update the website and weblog daily.

Latest information can be found at:  www.pa6z.nl

Equipement:  home-made TX,  500Watt out or so into 12m spiral-coil =
toploaded vertical with additional topwires.
                    (TX antenna depends on local situation...)

Receiver: AOR AR7030plus with additional RF filtering/pre-amp, Rx =
antenna: not sure yet, most likely 2 large coaxial loops,
                and/or TX antenna, and maybe beverage.
                Timewave DSP59+ and Speclab/Argo.


Targets: giving as many people as possible a change to work LX on =
136kHz, and stimulating/creating activety throughout
             Europe on 136kHz.
             And of course, having fun too.....


Hope to meet you from LX!

73

Dick, PA4VHF, member from PA6Z contest group.


   =20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am glad to announce that I will =
activate=20
Luxembourg on 136kHz soon!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am one of the 7 operators from the =
PA6Z=20
contestgroup, activating LX the first week of October.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Here are the details for=20
<EM>136kHz:</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>DATE:&nbsp; september 30&nbsp; to&nbsp; =
october=20
7&nbsp; , 2006</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Callsign: <STRONG>LX / PA6Z</STRONG> in =
normal CW=20
only!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Callsign: =
<EM><STRONG>LXPA6Z</STRONG></EM> in QRSS=20
and DFCW , so <EM>without</EM> the / (-..-.)&nbsp;!! to save =
time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Modes: normal CW on 136.5kHz +/- =
QRM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;=20
QRSS/DFCW (3-5 sec/dot)&nbsp;on around 137.720kHz,&nbsp; RX split =
+/-60Hz from=20
TX QRG</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; use the normal T-M-O system on QRSS/DFCW, you can =
call me=20
just after I send RR's ( I think to send "6Z RR")</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Operating times: I will try to be QRV =
around noon=20
(10-11utc) and in the evenings after 17utc or so.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Further instructions: LX/PA6Z is QRV on =
all HF=20
bands troughout the day, so if you want to try on 136kHz, =
please</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ask one of our operators, and I'll try to =
switch=20
to 136kHz for you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Please put us in the cluster when you =
work/hear=20
us on 136kHz, when it's not in the cluster yet.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;This will others tell that were on=20
136.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;Try to work me in normal CW if possible =
to save=20
time; QRSS/DFCW is primairly used for weak&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;signals......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There will be probably no direct access =
to the=20
internet from the site, but we will try to update the website and weblog =

daily.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Latest information can be found =
at:&nbsp; <A=20
href=3D"http://www.pa6z.nl">www.pa6z.nl</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Equipement:&nbsp; home-made TX,&nbsp; =
500Watt out=20
or so into 12m spiral-coil toploaded vertical with additional=20
topwires.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (TX antenna =
depends on=20
local situation...)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Receiver: AOR AR7030plus with =
additional RF=20
filtering/pre-amp, Rx antenna: not sure yet, most likely 2 large coaxial =

loops,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; and/or TX antenna, and maybe=20
beverage.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Timewave DSP59+ and=20
Speclab/Argo.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Targets: giving as many people as =
possible a change=20
to work LX on 136kHz, and stimulating/creating activety =
throughout</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;=20
Europe on 136kHz.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial=20
size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;=20
And of course, having fun too.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hope to meet you from LX!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick, PA4VHF, member from PA6Z contest=20
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Mike, and All,

VY1JA is monitoring 137698.5 to 701.5, QRSS60 slow, 120 second ticks, until 
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I will notify the group here when VY1JA beaconing resumes.  Until then, 
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It is running this way now.

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What dot length are you looking for?


Mike, G3XDV
==========

> 
> Because of the strange reception, it may be best for the VY1JA beacon
> to take a break while I center Argo on 137700 to watch for that signal
> again.
> 
> I know that it is not the right band plan for EU, but I am receiving
> with my transmitting antenna which has very narrow bandwidth.  I seem
> to receive better near 137.78 where the antenna is tuned so the normal
> EU dx transmitting window is not as good for RX here.
> 
> If anyone anywhere wants to see if they can get a spot on the capture,
> feel free.  I will post any capture which is interesting.  My morning
> grayline is at about 13:00-13:30.  On HF EU is normally best into
> Yukon at your dawn grayline.
> 
> 137700 has two strong LORAN signals here, one on 697.698 and the other
> on 700.501, but the rest of the area in that band is normally clear.
> 
> I will run captures for the rest of the weekend, and work on the
> changes to the LPF which Alan suggested, and possibly get DFCW
> running.
> 
> 73,
> 
> J.
> 
> 
> 
> 





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All,

Because of the strange reception, it may be best for the VY1JA beacon to 
take a break while I center Argo on 137700 to watch for that signal again.

I know that it is not the right band plan for EU, but I am receiving with my 
transmitting antenna which has very narrow bandwidth.  I seem to receive 
better near 137.78 where the antenna is tuned so the normal EU dx 
transmitting window is not as good for RX here.

If anyone anywhere wants to see if they can get a spot on the capture, feel 
free.  I will post any capture which is interesting.  My morning grayline is 
at about 13:00-13:30.  On HF EU is normally best into Yukon at your dawn 
grayline.

137700 has two strong LORAN signals here, one on 697.698 and the other on 
700.501, but the rest of the area in that band is normally clear.

I will run captures for the rest of the weekend, and work on the changes to 
the LPF which Alan suggested, and possibly get DFCW running.

73,

J.





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Hello all,

I started making a list of stations that has been worked on 136kHz in =
Europe.
I've used some logs available on internet, screenshot lists, like from =
NL9222 and Wolf etc.

Sofar around 150 callsings are in the list.

Of course it's not complete and might have some old data, but at least =
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the change to add things to it.


It is an excel sheet

73

Dick, pa4vhf
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I started making a list of stations =
that has been=20
worked on 136kHz in Europe.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've used some logs available on =
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screenshot lists, like from NL9222 and Wolf etc.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sofar around 150 callsings are in the=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Of course it's not complete and might =
have some old=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It is an excel sheet</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
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Hi Willem, you seem to be having difficultly posting to the reflector. Can I
suggest you enter "options" in mail system and set the messsage type to
plain text (NOT HTML) this will shorten the messages considerably, by
dumping all the unnecessary formating commands.  If you wish to post a
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as an attachment, not an embedded HTML image. I find this way works best.

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John, Hartmut

Running 200 watts output so currently 3 dB down in power...plus the =
ground resistance is a bit higher than what I normally see during the =
colder months. Should be back up to full power soon...

Jay
   =20
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: John Andrews=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:35 PM
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  Hartmut,

  Thanks for the report. I am surprised at the weak copy of Jay's =
signal.=20
  It should be better than mine!

  John A.

  Hartmut Wolff wrote:
  > Good copy of the WOLF10 transmission of WD2XES on 137.577 kHz. Best
  > here around 03:00 UTC.
  > Poor copy of WD2XNS in QRSS30 on 137.781 kHz 03:10-04:00.
  >=20
  > Captures can be seen here:
  >=20
  > http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm
  >=20
  > On 187.3706 kHz I captured a "N" about 01:00 UTC from VO1NA
  >=20
  > Captures can be seen here:
  >=20
  > http://www.h-wolff.de/Miscellaneous/VO1NA187kHz/VO1NA187kHz.htm
  >=20
  >=20
  > 73
  > Hartmut
  > www.h-wolff.de
  > Locator: JO52hp
  >=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Running 200 watts output =
so&nbsp;currently 3 dB=20
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what I=20
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to&nbsp;full=20
power&nbsp;soon...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Jay</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
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  <DIV=20
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dw1tag@w1tag.com href=3D"mailto:w1tag@w1tag.com">John =
Andrews</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
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  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, September 07, =
2006 12:35=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: T/A Sep, =
7th</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Hartmut,<BR><BR>Thanks for the report. I am surprised =
at the=20
  weak copy of Jay's signal. <BR>It should be better than =
mine!<BR><BR>John=20
  A.<BR><BR>Hartmut Wolff wrote:<BR>&gt; Good copy of the WOLF10 =
transmission of=20
  WD2XES on 137.577 kHz. Best<BR>&gt; here around 03:00 UTC.<BR>&gt; =
Poor copy=20
  of WD2XNS in QRSS30 on 137.781 kHz 03:10-04:00.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; =
Captures can=20
  be seen here:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm">http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestL=
F.htm</A><BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt; On 187.3706 kHz I captured a "N" about 01:00 UTC from =
VO1NA<BR>&gt;=20
  <BR>&gt; Captures can be seen here:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.h-wolff.de/Miscellaneous/VO1NA187kHz/VO1NA187kHz.htm">=
http://www.h-wolff.de/Miscellaneous/VO1NA187kHz/VO1NA187kHz.htm</A><BR>&g=
t;=20
  <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; 73<BR>&gt; Hartmut<BR>&gt; <A=20
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John,

> Thanks for the report. I am surprised at the weak copy of Jay's signal. 
> It should be better than mine!

I'm using not the best rx setup for 137 Khz at the moment. It's
optimize for 187 kHz. For this I added a 10dB broadband preamp with a
LPF for 500 kHz and a 4way splitter The antenna null is a bit lower on
the DCF39 than in the past.

73
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Hartmut,

Thanks for the report. I am surprised at the weak copy of Jay's signal. 
It should be better than mine!

John A.

Hartmut Wolff wrote:
> Good copy of the WOLF10 transmission of WD2XES on 137.577 kHz. Best
> here around 03:00 UTC.
> Poor copy of WD2XNS in QRSS30 on 137.781 kHz 03:10-04:00.
> 
> Captures can be seen here:
> 
> http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm
> 
> On 187.3706 kHz I captured a "N" about 01:00 UTC from VO1NA
> 
> Captures can be seen here:
> 
> http://www.h-wolff.de/Miscellaneous/VO1NA187kHz/VO1NA187kHz.htm
> 
> 
> 73
> Hartmut
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On Thu, 7 Sep 2006, Hartmut Wolff wrote:
> On 187.3706 kHz I captured a "N" about 01:00 UTC from VO1NA

Thank-you Hartmut for the info.  It was also copied a few hours later
by Dave AA1A.

73
Joe VO1NA


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Good copy of the WOLF10 transmission of WD2XES on 137.577 kHz. Best
here around 03:00 UTC.
Poor copy of WD2XNS in QRSS30 on 137.781 kHz 03:10-04:00.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm

On 187.3706 kHz I captured a "N" about 01:00 UTC from VO1NA

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Miscellaneous/VO1NA187kHz/VO1NA187kHz.htm


73
Hartmut
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Hi Dave I have just had a quick look, I have nothing there at this location,
there are some "weak sidebands" on SXV but I also have a local 50 Hz dritfy
tonight which may be doing that, but its not that strong. I certainly dont
have anything stronger than SXV at 0020BST and I would expect it to be quite
a few dBs more than SXV it is 1360km against 2260 and the power is 100kW
against 20kW ( +17dB by wet finger !)

Cheers de Alan G3NYK


----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: Big signal with hum...


>
> Anybody else notice the ghastly big signal with 50Hz hum bars on around
> 135,500 kHz? It's been on and off all evening, and is on at the moment
> (2250z)
>
> I thought it was local to me, but it also appears on Marcus's grabber :-(
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
>
>



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Ah that sound like the Budapest Utility transmitter ?? Its about the right
frequency.
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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>
> Anybody else notice the ghastly big signal with 50Hz hum bars on around
> 135,500 kHz? It's been on and off all evening, and is on at the moment
> (2250z)
>
> I thought it was local to me, but it also appears on Marcus's grabber :-(
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
>
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Hello Derek
Thanks for looking for the socket and understand the position about the
extender module.
I have some decca sockets from other equipment and although they look the
same the pin/wafer spacing is different, but they have the same number of
pins.
73 and tnx ur help

de Mal/G3KEV

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> > Hi All
> > Does anyone know where I can get a 24 pin decca 5501 module socket. I
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> > with ancillary decca equipment although looking the same have different
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Hi all on the list !

Last night I copy:
WD2XNS > 01:45 to 02:30
the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht












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Hi Bryan,

May due to the HF vertical being only 2 metres from the LF vertical at the
moment.

Just in the middle of moving the antennas around for greater separation
within the small garden space available..

73

Gary - G4WGT.

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what puzzles me is that you can energise a bulb   [300 ma x 12.6volts?] at
nearly 4 watts with an ERP of less than 1 watt...........;-))

G3GVB



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Many thanks for the report Martin,
   
  Glad to know I'm getting out ok as sometimes I send for hours without any replies - HI !
  Oh the joys of LF !!
   
  I'm using a home brewed 150 watts (output) TX / RX.
  The aerial is a  40m end fed at 10m,  loaded with a 'brewing bucket' variometer.
   
  73 Chris G3XIZ
   
   
  

Martin Evans <books@mollies.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
  Chris -

Your DFCW signal is clearly *audible* in Swansea on an untuned 50m wire into
an unmodified TS950S.

What a whopper!

Martin
GW3UCJ.





 		
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<div>Many thanks for the report Martin,</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div>Glad to know I'm getting out ok as sometimes I send for hours without any replies - HI !</div>  <div>Oh the joys of LF !!</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div>I'm using a home brewed 150 watts (output) TX / RX.</div>  <div>The aerial is a &nbsp;40m end fed&nbsp;at 10m, &nbsp;loaded with a 'brewing bucket' variometer.</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div>73 Chris G3XIZ</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div>&nbsp;</div>  <div><BR><BR><B><I>Martin Evans &lt;books@mollies.freeserve.co.uk&gt;</I></B> wrote:</div>  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Chris -<BR><BR>Your DFCW signal is clearly *audible* in Swansea on an untuned 50m wire into<BR>an unmodified TS950S.<BR><BR>What a whopper!<BR><BR>Martin<BR>GW3UCJ.<BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>&#32;
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Chris -

Your DFCW signal is clearly *audible* in Swansea on an untuned 50m wire into
an unmodified TS950S.

What a whopper!

Martin
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Thanks Alan,

it was the first time since weeks that I tuned the transmitter in the 
"CW segment". A CQ from DJ6GT caught my attention, but he didn't respond 
so I called cq myself a bit later. LF was very quiet here today, no QRN 
at all in the early afternoon.

Best regards,
  Wolf DL4YHF / DK4U .


Alan Melia schrieb:
> I have a morse signal from Wolf DK4U on 136.5 at about 559 1514BST
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I have a morse signal from Wolf DK4U on 136.5 at about 559 1514BST

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Despite the very high QRN level, copied a full XES string around 05:00
UTC. On 137.781 I saw very few unreadable traces.

A capture of XES can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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Dear J, Markus, LF Group,

I would agree with all Markus says. The current-mode class D =
configuration
requires a high power supply source impedance at the output frequency -
hence the series choke and no bypass capacitor. Otherwise, you would be
trying to force a square-wave voltage to appear at the input of the
pi-section output filter. If all the components were "ideal", a square =
wave
voltage would require the filter capacitor voltage to change instantly =
from
the positive peak value to the negative peak value, requiring an =
infinitely
large current to flow for an infinitesimal period of time to discharge =
and
recharge the capacitor. Of course, this can't happen in the real world, =
and
in practice, if you try to do it, what you get are big current spikes =
that
cause a lot of heating in all the components involved, and something has =
to
give way.

With the series choke, the DC supply current is limited to a nearly =
constant
value during a cycle. This results in an approximately square current
waveform without big current spikes being delivered to the filter input,
with a voltage waveform that depends on the filter component values and
configuration. In an ideal class D circuit, in which the filter has an
infinite loaded Q, the voltage would be sinusoidal. In practice, the =
loaded
filter Q is usually 1 or less in this type of circuit, and the waveform =
is a
bit "lumpy", but still a reasonable approximation.

In practical circuits, the components, in particular the transformer, =
have
stray capacitances and inductances, which, when included in the circuit
diagram, mean the circuit isn't exactly a current-switching or voltage
switching circuit. The result of this is that there usually are both =
current
and voltage spikes in the waveforms, and multiple resonant frequencies =
that
give rise to "ringing" but these can be kept quite small with careful
design, and the addition of some RC damping, without reducing efficiency
significantly. The main culprit is the leakage inductance of the
transformer; making the coupling between windings as tight as possible
helps, by using foil windings, bifilar windings etc. Using only the =
minimum
winding inductance required to avoid excessive core heating helps too.

Some designs do have a pi-section capacitor input filter with a =
decoupling
capacitor at the centre tap. These can work if the leakage inductance is
high enough to limit the current to a reasonable level, but it is =
difficult
to achieve a specified value of leakage inductance, and this always =
seems to
result in unwanted resonances at low harmonics of the switching =
frequency.
Such circuits have large amplitude odd-harmonic currents, which increase
heating and reduce efficiency in an unpredictable way.

Regarding the spikes in the output waveform - any narrow (a microsecond =
or
less) spike should be very highly attenuated by the low-pass filter.
Assuming the filter components are OK, it is possible that what you are
seeing are switching transients that are being picked up by the scope =
probes
or input leads. If you connect the scope input to the ground point at =
the
filter output, and you still see spikes, this is what is happening. In =
this
case, don't worry about it too much!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of J. Allen
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Subject: LF: Why?

Thinkers,

What are the reasons for not bypassing the center tap on the push-pull =
amps=20
apart from high bypass current?

There are spikes on the rising edge near the positive and negative peaks =
in=20
the waveform of the output from the LPF from the amp I am working on, =
and=20
bypassing the center tap to ground cleared up the spikes.  It also =
cleared=20
up the bypass capacitor  :o).

J.=20







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Victor van Kooten wrote:
> GE Marek,all
>
> Henny PA3CPM will CQ and listen QRSS10 for SP5ZCC,qrss10,137.710,
>
> 73
> Victor,PA3FNY
>   

Hello Victor,

Unfortunately NIL here for Henny, I am calling CQ on QRSS10 at 137.707 now.

73! Marek SQ5BPM


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GE Marek,all

Henny PA3CPM will CQ and listen QRSS10 for SP5ZCC,qrss10,137.710,

73
Victor,PA3FNY


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Fine Dave, Likewise I have just dug my call-sign badge out....all I have to
do is remembe to take it !! This does seem to be becomming an annual event.

Alan

----- Original Message -----
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> Alan
>
> Let's make it 12.30 at the bar then! I'll try to find my callsign badge in
> case anyone I haven't met turns up.
>
> Dave.
>
> --
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>



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Hi Dave yes I am intending to be there tomorrow as well....see you by the
Bar ?? What time?
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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> Anyone going to the Leicester show tomorrow?
> I'll be be there.
>
> Dave.
>
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Hello everybody,

I tried at least three times now to send again the excel list here in =
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I am unable to get it here....sri for that.....

Strange that it did work in the past with my first list......


73

Dick, PA4VHF
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
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Hartmut,

Thanks for the try on 137.577. I should be able to run it again tonight, 
but will not be able to start until 0200 UTC or so. Again, it will be 
DFCW10 on 576/577.

John A.

Hartmut Wolff wrote:

> Sorry, capturing of 137.577 failed last night. I was in a hurry when I
> configurated spectrum lab and forgot to choose the correct path for
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High static level last night. Copied WD2XNS in QRSS30 on 137.781. Best
at 00:20-01:00 UTC.
Sorry, capturing of 137.577 failed last night. I was in a hurry when I
configurated spectrum lab and forgot to choose the correct path for
the screenshots.

Nil from VO1NA


Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
www.h-wolff.de
Locator: JO52hp



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I tested the back-up transmitter and main transmitter earlier this =
evening on 137.720kHz

I saw DL2HRE lower in frequency, but he didn't answer my call........
Nothing else seen.....

I did some TX tests with DFCW10/QRSS10 also with only "PA4VHF"=20

73

Dick
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I tested the back-up transmitter and =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I saw DL2HRE lower in frequency, but he =
didn't=20
answer my call........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nothing else seen.....</FONT></DIV>
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Signal #1 137699.25 disappeared at about 04:40 and signal #2 on 137700.37 
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Alaska in the 137.7 window now.  Both signals were so weak that they could 
almost be measured with the same meter used for ESP.

This kind of work demonstrates the value of DFCW,  which clearly identifies 
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I used a very long radial (300m) in a field outside my home, but it 
had little effect and did not improve on my few earth stakes.

On portable expeditions to GW, I have used radial wires with some 
success, especially where the soil was poor.

I suggest you use two or three earth stakes (perhaps 1m long) close 
to the bottom of the vertical section, then one or two wires under 
the top section.

I agree with Alan that the biggest problem most expeditions have is 
with receiving.

Will you have e-mail available on site? This can be useful for sked 
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> Anyone knows if it makes sence to use some long radials 100-300m long
> in combination with a spiral-coil toploaded vertical with 4x20m
> toploading wires. Or is this just wasting time and wire......
> 
> Dick, pa4vhf





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Dick,

if it is meant for the LX-expedition:
I found out that, probably due to the many trees near the antenna, the  
loss resistance did not improve when increasing the number of radials  
beyond the initial 4 x 30m (I gave up at 8 radials of 30m each).

73, Rik

Quoting Dick <knaap159@zonnet.nl>:

> Anyone knows if it makes sence to use some long radials 100-300m long
> in combination with a spiral-coil toploaded vertical with 4x20m   
> toploading wires.
> Or is this just wasting time and wire......
>
> Dick, pa4vhf



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Hi Dick,

I experimented with "long" (well, in terms of wavelength still very 
short) radials at the club station, to increase the antenna current 
while keeping the transmitter power constant. Result:

When I *only* use the AC mains as ground, the antenna current was a bit 
higher than when additional radials were connected (in parallel with the 
AC earth line). So, in my case, the radials were not worth the effort. 
But things may be different when the antenna is smaller : Read the 
comments about the "footprint" theory mentioned earlier. If you have the 
chance to use the electricity system, or even better a cold water pipe 
as ground system, better put the wire up in the air to increase the 
footprint.
My antenna (at DK4U / DF0WD, which is the same) has the footprint of a 
football field :o) but it's only above 10 meters above ground in 
average, and very lossy because it is steel wire ("NATO telephone 
cable", cheap but very rigid) .

Best regards,
  Wolf .

Dick schrieb:
> Anyone knows if it makes sence to use some long radials 100-300m long
> in combination with a spiral-coil toploaded vertical with 4x20m 
> toploading wires.
> Or is this just wasting time and wire......
>  
> Dick, pa4vhf



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Hello all,

Just worked G3XIZ #9 and PA3CPM.

I saw G3XDV and DK7SU a little while before as well, but they =
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Added screenshots of DK4U, DK6NI, DK7SU, DM2AYO, DM2BHG, G3WCB,
PA3CPM, PA4VHF, SM6BHZ, SP5ZCC and WD2XNS to my website:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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Dick the total message size that the reflector will take is about 32kb. So
it may be being stripped off. It is probably that it just goot too big as
you added data to it.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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Sorry for the problems there seems to be.

Everybody who send me his info for the list starting now, will receive the
list by direct email, because
that does seem to work.
It's an Excel sheet, around 20-30kB..

73

Dick, PA4VHF



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Jim and All,

Thanks for the good explanation.  The spikes are displayed on the scope 
which is connected to the ScopeMatch and are on both the voltage and current 
traces.

The scopematch pickup has a half meter section of coax between it and the 
LPF, which in turn has an even shorter coax jumper connecting it to the amp 
output. The LPF  uses two single-layer, air-core, solenoid inductors mounted 
at right angles to each other.

Your comments raised a set of questions:

Could it be that the single 640 FET amp and this Push Pull amp with 2 640 
are such different designs that the air core inductor LPF which works well 
with one, does not work with the other?

Is it possible that some odd inductive or capacitive coupling lets those 
high frequency spikes  be generated?

If this is the cause of the spikes, will it require a pair of  toroid cores, 
or will a pair of TV cores suffice?

Order toroid cores,  yes or no?

Thanks,

J.
 




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Ok ! I listening
73 qro J-P afj

John Andrews a =E9crit :
> Jean-Pierre,
>
> Thanks for the very nice report! Conditions must have been very good.=20
> I will run it again tonight, but will probably not start until 0200 UTC=
.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
>
>
>
>

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Jean-Pierre,

Thanks for the very nice report! Conditions must have been very good. I 
will run it again tonight, but will probably not start until 0200 UTC.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES



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John ,

Ok ! i listening on 137.577 kHz  in Wolf  the next night .
Tnx
73 qro J-P afj

John Andrews a =E9crit :
> Jean-Pierre,
>
>> Can you transmit in "WOLF" a few days to test the T/A in stormy=20
>> conditions?
>
> Yes, certainly. I will have to move frequency, as the T/A "window"=20
> should only be used for narrow bandwidths. I suggest 137.577 kHz, with=20
> WOLF (10), starting around 0000 UTC. OK?
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
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>
>

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Jean-Pierre,

> Can you transmit in "WOLF" a few days to test the T/A in stormy conditions?

Yes, certainly. I will have to move frequency, as the T/A "window" 
should only be used for narrow bandwidths. I suggest 137.577 kHz, with 
WOLF (10), starting around 0000 UTC. OK?

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 Hello John (W1TAG)

Can you transmit in "WOLF" a few days to test the T/A in stormy conditions?
Thank you for me statement before 21:00 UTC ! because after I am lying!!!!!
 
73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
 



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Hello Dick,

being back from holiday I just reactivated the reflector and read about =
your 136 kHz station list - it seems to be an elder thread. Please tell =
me where can I get the list from and how can I add my station data?

Tu, 73

Tom, DK1IS
JN59WK
www.qrz.com/callsign/dk1is

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Hello all,

  I am glad to show you my latest 136kHz stations list, compailed from =
info picked up from the internet, and
  directly received by email.

  Please check the list, and please send me additional =
information/updates etc.

  I spent quite some time to make this list, and it is free of charge to =
everyone here, so please take a minute
  to send me your station details or other missing information, in order =
to make the list even more complete.

  73

  Dick, PA4VHF=20

  It seems that I reached the limit with 36kB atachment, because it =
didn't show up here on the list.
  Does anyone knows the max length of a mesage here?
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>being back from holiday I just =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>JN59WK</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am glad to show you my latest =
136kHz stations=20
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email.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Please check the list, <EM>and please =
send me=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I spent quite some time to make this =
list, and it=20
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other missing=20
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complete.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
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Again high static level here last night. Copied WD2XNS 01:00-02:00 on
137.781 kHz, later mostly only traces. WD2XKO was visible 01:00-04:15
due to a lot of fading only partial copy. Best around 04:00.
>From the DFCW10 transmission of WD2XES I captured traces around
01:30 and 04:45 but not much readable.


Nil from VO1NA


Captures of XNS and XKO can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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Dear J,

It would be worth monitoring and keeping a log of possible PLC signals to
wave at the regulatory people in Canada - the fact of their presence, and of
your beacon sigs, would help in showing that LF amateur radio can co-exist
with PLC, and help rebut the arguments of the power company lobbyists that
seem to have prevented an LF allocation in north America

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> Mike and All,
>
> There is something simple that I have been missing concerning mystery
> signals in the band.
>
> The very core of my experiments is the fact that my station is next to a
> power system which utilizes Power Line Carrier (PLC) which is operating in
> the 137 kHz portion of the band.  Any strange signals which I find on the
> band may be leakage from the power system.
>
> I let myself think in terms of deliberately transmitted signals only.  I
> apologize if this thinking has caused any unnecessary activity or concern.
>
> J.
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On 16/09/2006 at 13:09 Wolf DL4YHF wrote:

[ ... ]

>BTW in DL it took over a decade until 6 meters became an (almost) 
>"normal" amateur radio band just a few weeks ago (!) - it doesn't 
>require a special license now, but we must still inform the authorities 
>before we start using it.
When I last checked the regulations for France:

(i) we could not use 6m mobile, and the maximum permitted ERP depended on=
 which department (and sometimes commune) you lived in.  In some areas it=
 was not available at all 

(ii) it seems that we may not get the extra hundred kilohertz on 40 metres=
 for a while.

73
John F5VLF/G3PAI




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Hi John is "unrealistic" equipment  produced by NOT-Radio-Shack?
Alan

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> "...but in contrast to 137 kHz it is high enough to allow us to
> engage in real communication with realistic equipment."
> 
> It appears that I have a shack full of unrealistic equipment.
> 
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES
> 



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Hi all,

John A. wrote:
> "...but in contrast to 137 kHz it is high enough to allow us to
> engage in real communication with realistic equipment."
>
> It appears that I have a shack full of unrealistic equipment.
>

;o)

Same here. Now looking forward for some unrealistic operation on LF, 
enjoying stoneage communication modes (oh well, and others too)...
Anyway congrats for the new band, maybe one fine day it will become an 
amateur radio band too - though this is quite unrealistic in this country.
BTW in DL it took over a decade until 6 meters became an (almost) 
"normal" amateur radio band just a few weeks ago (!) - it doesn't 
require a special license now, but we must still inform the authorities 
before we start using it.

Cheers,
  Wolf .






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"...but in contrast to 137 kHz it is high enough to allow us to
engage in real communication with realistic equipment."

It appears that I have a shack full of unrealistic equipment.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES


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>ARRL GRANTED EXPERIMENTAL LICENSE FOR 500 KHZ RESEARCH BY RADIO AMATEURS

The FCC's Office of Engineering and Technology on September 13 granted Part
5 experimental license WD2XSH to the ARRL on behalf of a group of radio
amateurs interested in investigating spectrum in the vicinity of 500 kHz.
The two-year authorization permits experimentation and research between 505
and 510 kHz (600 meters) using narrowband modes at power levels of up to 20
W effective radiated power (ERP). ARRL Member Fritz Raab, W1FR, of Vermont,
will serve as experimental project manager for "The 500 KC Experimental
Group for Amateur Radio" <http://www.500kc.com/> 

"I'm kind of excited to see how we can apply modern technology to a 'classic
part' of the radio spectrum," Raab told ARRL this week. He pointed out that
500 kHz - the traditional maritime emergency frequency - is roughly
geometrically halfway between the 136 kHz experimental band and the 160
meter amateur allocation. 

"In contrast to 160 meters, 500 kHz is low enough to offer good groundwave
propagation, but in contrast to 137 kHz it is high enough to allow us to
engage in real communication with realistic equipment." Raab eventually
would like to see at least a secondary 600-meter amateur allocation from 495
to 510 kHz.

"Besides the opportunities for experimenting at low frequencies, that
frequency is well suited to regional groundwave communication," Raab said.
He envisions eventual use of the spectrum to provide Amateur Radio emergency
communication via groundwave, without having to deal with the vagaries of
the ionosphere or causing interference to other services.

For about a century, the 500 kHz region was an important band for maritime
communication, emergency and otherwise. The band is occasionally used by
"heritage" commercial maritime stations, such as the Maritime Radio
Historical Society's KPH on the West Coast, on special occasions. 500 kHz
remains designated as an official maritime emergency CW frequency, although
the vast majority of maritime users have shifted to satellite-based systems.

In addition to experimentation and regional emergency work, Raab says he
believes that the 505-510 kHz spectrum could serve as "an historic band"
that could support various commemorative special event-type operations.
Proposals are under consideration in the UK and Ireland to establish an
experimental Amateur Radio allocation in the vicinity of 500 kHz.

The WD2XSH project calls for operation from 21 discrete fixed sites spread
throughout the US. Participants all are electrical professionals, many with
maritime radio backgrounds, Raab said, adding that operation already has
begun. The group eventually will be seeking reports from non-participants,
he said.

Raab says the gear participants will use represents "every kind of antenna
and equipment you can imagine," including surplus vacuum-tube maritime
units. At his Colchester, Vermont, location he's using a 42-foot vertical,
but others are employing inverted Ls, loops and Marconis, among others.

Raab was a co-author of the article "A 100-W Class-D Power Amplifier for LF
and MF," which appeared in the March-April edition of QEX
<http://www.arrl.org/qex/2006/03/toc.pdf>. He's using an amplifier of that
design for his WD2XSH operations.

The FCC turned down a 1998 petition from the ARRL to create an Amateur Radio
"sliver band" in the vicinity of 136 kHz, but some US amateur licensees have
obtained FCC Part 5 Experimental licenses to research the possibilities of
LF, including transatlantic and transpacific propagation. Amateur Radio
licensees in Europe and elsewhere already have access to 135.7 to 137.8 kHz,
and several hams in Canada have authorization to operate there using Amateur
Radio call signs.




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Congratulations Steve and Jay.
 
That's encouraging for everyone - and in CW too.
 
Regards
 
David   G0MRF
 
 
 
In a message dated 09/09/2006 07:22:33 GMT Standard Time,  
jsm@gulfislands.com writes:

I'm  pleased to report the first long-distance CW-CW contact between  two
Canadian amateurs on 2200m.
The QSO was between Jay, VY1JA in  Whitehorse, Yukon Territory and myself,
VE7SL, on Mayne Island, British  Columbia. The distance between us is ~1000
miles.  The contact took  place between 0650Z and 0705Z  this morning. No
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73
Steve / VE7SL

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I'm pleased to report the first long-distance CW-CW contact between two
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The QSO was between Jay, VY1JA in Whitehorse, Yukon Territory and myself,
VE7SL, on Mayne Island, British Columbia. The distance between us is ~1000
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73
Steve / VE7SL

Mayne island, BC

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Hello all !

Many thunderstorms in around this night,

I copied very good signal of XES and XNS

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Hi all on the list !

Last night I copy:
WD2XNS > 23:00 to 00:30 and
01:45 to 02:00  (trace only)
the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht












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15./09/2006   2103z

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Somebody on air or ghost in my reception? (LORAN??)
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Dear Jeff,

Thanks for the report.
We are only 330 km apart,  using the locators.

Where is your location  in France?

73, Dick, PA0SE

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<font size=3>Dear Jeff,<br><br>
Thanks for the report.<br>
We are only 330 km apart,&nbsp; using the locators.<br><br>
Where is your location&nbsp; in France?<br><br>
73, Dick, PA0SE<br><br>
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01./09/2006   1248z

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Hello all !

Many thunderstorms in South-east this night,

I just copied WD2XKO ( XES and XNS off air )

The captures are on :

http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

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tu alen,

73  henny pa3cpm



----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hi Henny, and your QRSS3 is "O" in the UK this afternoon 1530z in the very
> east JO02pb
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
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>> tu jeff,
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>> henny pa3cpm. 73
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>>
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>>   22./09/2006   2010z
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>>    GN all,
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>>    PA3CPM now  ~137710 Hz
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>>   73: Jeff F6CWN (JN09tt)
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Hi Mike and group,

ERP can be tricky number to get so I list my power and
aerial current which are straightforward to measure.
As you mention the power alone is not a very useful number.

73
Joe VO1NA

On Tue, 12 Sep 2006, Mike Dennison wrote:

> Dick,
>
> If you are recording power, it must be ERP, not RF out because
> someone with 100W and a very big antenna can have a much greater ERP
> than another station with 1kW and a small antenna.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
> ==========
>
>
> > The list contains following data:
> > .......... TX power
>
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> > Dick, PA4VHF
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Dick,

If you are recording power, it must be ERP, not RF out because 
someone with 100W and a very big antenna can have a much greater ERP 
than another station with 1kW and a small antenna.

Mike, G3XDV
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> The list contains following data:
> .......... TX power


> Dick, PA4VHF




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Hartmut, Jean-Pierre,

Nice reports on the XES WOLF from overnight. The signal level readings 
on Hartmut's output were amazing.

A suggestion, particularly for Hartmut: Try reducing the number of lines 
(frames) recorded, possibly to the original 16 or less. This will cause 
the decoder to restart more frequently, and will give more data on the 
time it takes to access the signal. This is an important figure for 
planning the format of a 2-way QSO.

I will run XES in WOLF (10) again tonight on 137.577 kHz, starting 
around 2330 UTC.

John A.



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Nice WOLF10 reception of WD2XES last night - copy on the 3rd line
about 04:14.
Copied WD2XNS 03:30 - 04:20 in QRSS30. Traces were visible until
05:30, about 1 hour after local sunrise.
Nil of VO1NA on 187.37 kHz last night.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
www.h-wolff.de
Locator: JO52hp



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... very strong at the moment, using a non-resonant indoor wire, despite 
tremendous QRN.

Using a "frequency selective limiter" to get rid of the static crashed. 
Seems very effective (and reminds me of the Hendrixizer-principle).

73,
  Wolf DL4YHF .


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You have been lucky so far. I would disconnect  HF antenna pdq before
LF-ing.

Bryan
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> Hi J & LF,
>
> I have a Yaesu FT-747GX & when I Tx LF I see a light shining out of the
back
> slots onto the wall from the Rx antenna fuse bulb. Yes the bulb is lit to
> full brilliance, the operation FT-747GX doesn't appear to have been
> effected. LF RF is being picked up on the HF antenna.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of J. Allen
> Sent: 11 September 2006 05:38
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>
>
> Haloo Group,
>
> I wonder how many here have similar oddities to share....
>
> Another part of my hobby is contesting... I have a RAT PAK remote antenna
> switch which mounts on the tower which is used for LF.  The RAT PAK
although
> not in use on LF has a set of six LEDs to indicate which antenna has been
> selected in the shack during HF operation.
>
> This is where the odd indication comes in.  Whenever the LF transmitter
> keys, all six LEDs glow softly and the brilliance of the LEDs increase
with
> the power level.  It makes a nice indicator that the beacon is working and
> putting out reasonable power.  The first time I keyed down with more than
50
> watts, it was quite a surprise.  150 Watts glow at what looks like 1/10 of
> brilliance.
>
> Now lets calculate... if 400 watts turns out to really be 1 W ierp here,
> full brilliance would mean how many dB above legal limit?   :o)
>
> J.
>
>
>
>



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This to record really stimulating talk about Loops by Mike Underhill at
Horsham last night. /  really stirred the old grey matter so now I gorra
make one for self.

Thanks to HARC for admitting   visitors.

Bryan G3GVB


----- Original Message -----
From: "captbrian" <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 06 September 2006 21:56
Subject: Re: LF: ailing IC 706


> Thanks. But been there , tried that. No difference. Now gone to local PMR
> fixer and supplier  / local ham who swears it is low supply volts. . Will
> let list know what it was. [I hope ].
>
> G3GVB
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <G0MRF@aol.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: 05 September 2006 20:35
> Subject: Re: LF: ailing IC 706
>
>
> >
> > In a message dated 05/09/2006 16:27:50 GMT Standard Time,
> > captbrian@ukonline.co.uk writes:
> >
> > As a  separate issue it has also suddenly ceased working in CW mode. No
> > side-tone  ; no power ; just dumb insolence.
> >
> > Anyone had similar experiences  ?
> >
> > Bryan G3GVB
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hello Bryan
> >
> > Try a master reset.   You lose the memory contents, but it can  work
> wonders.
> >
> >
> > See handbook for details
> >
> > 73
> >
> > David
> >
>
>
>



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On Tue, Sep 19, 2006 at 09:39:08PM +0200, Dick wrote:
> Sorry for the problems there seems to be.
> 
> Everybody who send me his info for the list starting now, will
> receive the list by direct email, because
> that does seem to work.
> It's an Excel sheet, around 20-30kB..

Seems like Marek's idea to put it on a Wiki, where everyone can edit
his information himself, and the information is immediately available
to the public was not that bad...

What's "Excel" anyway?
Suggested reading: http://www.podval.org/~sds/data.html

73,
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Nice to see 2 part 5 stations active last night. Copied WD2XES and
WD2XNS.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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Captured WD2XKO only in the T/A window last night. A good peak noted
02:00-03:00. Overall, there was a lot of fading on the signal.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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Hello Victor and Reiner!
Good signs also from Reiner

TU and good sunday

73: Jeff

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  TNX Jeff,

  now in QSO with DK7SU,

  73, Victor,PA3FNY
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    Aan: LF/EU
    Onderwerp: LF: PA3FNY CQ now


    23./09/2006   0718z

    Hello all and GM!

     PA3FNY cqing now on ~137709 Hz=20
    Good sign in JN09tt

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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D437211908-24092006><FONT size=3D2>now in QSO with=20
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9:23<BR><B>Aan:</B>=20
    LF/EU<BR><B>Onderwerp:</B> LF: PA3FNY CQ now<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>23./09/2006&nbsp;&nbsp; 0718z</FONT></DIV>
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    <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Hello all and GM!</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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    <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;PA3FNY cqing now on ~137709 Hz=20
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    <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>Good sign in =
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    <DIV><FONT size=3D2><STRONG>73</STRONG>: <STRONG>Jeff=20
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Anyone going to the Leicester show tomorrow?
I'll be be there.

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Anyone going to the Leicester show tomorrow?<br>I'll be be there.<br><br>Dave.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

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