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Thinkers,

What are the reasons for not bypassing the center tap on the push-pull amps 
apart from high bypass current?

There are spikes on the rising edge near the positive and negative peaks in 
the waveform of the output from the LPF from the amp I am working on, and 
bypassing the center tap to ground cleared up the spikes.  It also cleared 
up the bypass capacitor  :o).

J. 




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27./08/2006   1038z

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Well, thanks Ko, Sabine and Jeff for catching me on their screens.

What about the frequenty, is it a bit too high? (to far away from center =
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Glad to see the first report from France, Jeff.

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Dear Jeff, LF,

It was DK7SU...screenshot attached..

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM


  -----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of F6CWN
  Sent: 26 August 2006 09:35
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  26./08/2006   0833z

  GM all,

   I just RX: " 7 SU  K" on 137700 QRSS3

   73: Jeff F6CWN ( JN09tt)


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<DIV><SPAN class=3D069075708-26082006><FONT size=3D2>Dear Jeff,=20
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D069075708-26082006><FONT size=3D2>It was =
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  <DIV><FONT size=3D2>26./08/2006&nbsp;&nbsp; 0833z</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;73: Jeff F6CWN ( =
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26./08/2006   0905z

 Thank you Dave, I had just put the receiver "ON"!

 73 and TU

Jeff


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  Dear Jeff, LF,

  It was DK7SU...screenshot attached..

  73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM


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    26./08/2006   0833z

    GM all,

     I just RX: " 7 SU  K" on 137700 QRSS3

     73: Jeff F6CWN ( JN09tt)


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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 26, 2006 =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: activity on =
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D069075708-26082006><FONT size=3D2>Dear Jeff,=20
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D069075708-26082006><FONT =
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D069075708-26082006><FONT size=3D2>It was =
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D069075708-26082006><FONT size=3D2>73, Dave G3WCB=20
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    =
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acksheep.org</A>=20
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    LF/EU<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: activity on 137700<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2>26./08/2006&nbsp;&nbsp; 0833z</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>GM all,</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;I just RX: " 7 SU&nbsp; K" on =
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    <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2></FONT></STRONG>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><STRONG><FONT size=3D2>&nbsp;73: Jeff F6CWN (=20
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Thanks for the reports and screen shot Gary.
  I put out a test signal now and again so that 
  any potential 'new boys' will know that there
  is some activity on the 136 band.
   
  Actually activity has been quite good lately.
  This weekend I worked:-
   
  PA3FNY  DFCW
  DK4U      Hell / DFCW 
  PA0BWL QRSS and later CW
  F6BWO   QRSS / DFCW
   
  Also heard
  G3YKB    DFCW calling DK4U
  PA3CPM QRSS  (?)  in the QRN
   
  73 Chris G3XIZ

Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
  Hi Chris & LF,

Captured just a little while ago.

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<DIV>Thanks for the reports and screen shot Gary.</DIV>  <DIV>I put out a test signal now and again so that </DIV>  <DIV>any potential 'new boys' will know that there</DIV>  <DIV>is some activity on the 136 band.</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>Actually activity has been quite good lately.</DIV>  <DIV>This weekend I worked:-</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>PA3FNY&nbsp; DFCW</DIV>  <DIV>DK4U&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Hell / DFCW </DIV>  <DIV>PA0BWL QRSS and later CW</DIV>  <DIV>F6BWO&nbsp;&nbsp; QRSS / DFCW</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>Also heard</DIV>  <DIV>G3YKB&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DFCW calling DK4U</DIV>  <DIV>PA3CPM&nbsp;QRSS&nbsp; (?)&nbsp; in the QRN</DIV>  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>  <DIV>73 Chris G3XIZ<BR><BR><B><I>Gary - G4WGT &lt;g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk&gt;</I></B> wrote:</DIV>  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Hi Chris &amp; LF,<BR><BR>Captured just a little while ago.<BR><BR>Gary -
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See Chris there are people listening on 136kc/s!!!

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27./08/2006   1022z

GM all,

 "Cracking" signs from PA0BWL this morning!

73: Jeff in JN09tt

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Hello, Everyone,

In doing the transmitter checks, a scope with two reliable channels was 
needed for the ScopeMatch and for troubleshooting.  The local TV repair shop 
is going out of business and sold me a Hitachi V-680 Dual trace digital 
storage scope for a very good price.

I have the service manual, but neither the operating manual nor the 
specifications could be located through a websearch which was done earlier 
today.

Does anyone have the operating manual or know where a copy can be obtained? 
Hitachi has been contacted and their webpages searched, but they do not even 
show an Oscilloscope.

Any tips or clues would be appreciated.

Also, does anyone know the advantages and disadvantages of using Bifilar 
windings on amp output transformers for Push-Pull amps?   I do not know if 
this is usually the case, but when I used the straight winding method, the 
amplifier ran a lot more power but when I switched to the bifilar winding 
the output waveform has just a little bit less even order harmonic content.

By the way... The amp is working very much better now, with one small 
caveat.

It is also interesting that when the good scope was put in service, it 
became apparent that the channel on the old scope which had been 
intermittent also had been indicating a slightly better antenna match than 
the new scope does.

On the Push Pull amp prototype, there is a small amount of high frequency 
damped wave ringing which occurs just before the positive and negative peaks 
of the amp output voltage and current waveforms.  These damped waves are 
very small, but will they may be a harbinger of troubles to come if they are 
ignored, or are they a normal occurrence in these inverter type amps...  are 
they important?

The output transformer will be rewound from bifilar to conventional winding 
and if it has any effect on the damped waves, I will let the group know.

Thanks to all for the help getting the transmitter working...   There were 
several problems, all related to being in the VY1JA shack... :o)   The main 
problem was that I misunderstood or my memory failed.  I thought the amp was 
set for input frequency divide-by-two and it was set for divide-by-four. 
When the HF rig output was doubled from 13.778 to 27.555 MHz, the output 
waveform of the rig tamed right down.

This explains why I was having those really bad antenna waveforms a couple 
of months back whenever I switched to the prototype amp.  When I build my 
amp shortly, it will only divide by 2 so that I can use the frequency output 
display of the HF rig.  Here too, thanks to all who worked with me to try to 
solve the antenna matching problem.

With a good rig and scopematch in hand, I am looking at revisiting the 
Variometer.  If you remember, I removed it and replaced it with a simple 
single layer tapped solenoid, with a separate link-coupled air-core 
impedance matching transformer.  Perhaps it is due to the size of the 
antenna, but the antenna holds its match well even in rain and wind.  Yes, 
the trace moves slightly around but not enough to require a trip outside.

When the variometer is redone, I am considering winding it with #12 
Thermoplastic insulated building wire,  is there any drawback to this in a 
situation where little inductance is required?

73,

J.
jallen@yknet.ca

 




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Dear Laurence,

All seems normal here at this moment (2025utc)...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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  Its just  dark in dcf39 land and the signal just coming out of the =
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nice to see!!

Looks as if my signal was quite ok...

Dick
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> captured PA4VHF,M0BMU and G3WCB
> 
> 73
> Victor,PA3FNY
> JO22NC



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Hi Chris,

Saw/heard some of your qrss01 test this afternoon, heres the bit I got.

G3XIZ IO92AB TEST G3XIZ QRG 137.7 KHZ TEST G3XIZ PWR 150 W TX HB ANT 40 M
EFW TEST G3XIZ.

Chris, I either read EFW wrong (as in 40 M EFW) or I just don't understand
the abreviation??

73

Gary - G4WGT.


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Many ships , both naval and commercial, have  covert  activities by people
who code and decode a continuous wave with an archane  on-off device. To
divert investigators they refer to the key to their mystic code. But no key
to the code has yet been found, just a crude metallic , rocking Icon .
The Icon is used in a [presumably flagellatory ] ritual called
brass-pounding even when made of steel or rigid plastic. In outward
appearance indistinguishable from humans, adherents are Invariably very old
and there is some reference to pig-meat in their babblings . The movement is
dying out now but adherents show remarkable tenacity in adversity and cling
to a system of self-naming , often without vowels .
G3GVB and AC4UA are typical examples.



----- Original Message -----
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> Thank you for the information! I knew that the 500KHz. Watch was
> discontinued but there are many other maritime frequencies.
>
> A retired navy officer I used to work with told me about nine or so years
> ago that a navy ship he visited did have CW.
>
> TNX ES 73,
>
> Doc.
> -----Original Message-----
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> At 09:15 24/8/2006 -0500, you wrote:
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> > Do commercial ships still have a CW station just in case
> > all else fails?
>
> No, they don't.
>
> 73, Costas SV1XV
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Thank you for the information! I knew that the 500KHz. Watch was
discontinued but there are many other maritime frequencies.

A retired navy officer I used to work with told me about nine or so years
ago that a navy ship he visited did have CW.

TNX ES 73,

Doc.
-----Original Message-----
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At 09:15 24/8/2006 -0500, you wrote:

> Do commercial ships still have a CW station just in case
> all else fails?

No, they don't.

73, Costas SV1XV






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At 09:15 24/8/2006 -0500, you wrote:

> Do commercial ships still have a CW station just in case
> all else fails?

No, they don't.

73, Costas SV1XV



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	This reminds me of a post on a Masonic list. Some one took offense
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actor...."

	Do commercial ships still have a CW station just in case all else
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Info might be found in old books. Books were a crude system of  recording
data without use of magnetism. Invented about 1400 but long since redundant.

G3GVB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: Alarming message


No satellite communications!!!! We would have to find some kind of
alternative way to transmit signals round the world. Now didn't there
used to be something called HF? Where on earth can we get lots of
experts in this old-fashioned technology?

Mike. G3XDV
==========

> It could be that the concerns may be over the possibility of a North
> Korean missile sent in space to create an EMP and wiping out satellite
> communications There is a difference between space equipment being
> "radiation-hardened" against the radiations normally found in space,
> and the neutrons. etc, that could be created by a nuclear device
> exploded in space.
>
> 73
> Andr�  N4ICK
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I thought things were getting a bit esoteric for this reflector.   Came into
the discussion part way through after reading a huge backlog of email after
a holiday .... and you know how things are :-)

Didn't see the original reference.

Andy  G4JNT

 


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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Hi Andy,

I don't quite know where EMP crept into the discussion.

Dick's original E-mail to this reflector was about a paper on Radiation Belt
Remediation.

http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/research/space/ag-24-2025.pdf
<http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/research/space/ag-24-2025.pdf> 

This was suggesting using large amounts of VLF to "drain" the artifical
radiation belts produced by a High Altitude Nuclear Explosion. 

The paper was suggesting that the radiation belts would damage low earth
orbit satelites - based on the observations of such damage found in the
1960s. I quote ...

"The effect of the Starfish Prime HANE on the radiation belts was observed
by multiple spacecraft. However, the intense artificial belts injected by
the HANE damaged 3 of the 5 satellites operating at the time. Within a small
number of days, data transmissions from the Ariel, Transit IVB and TRAAC
satellites became intermittent or ceased altogether (Massey, 1964),
primarily due to degrading solar cells. Other effects were also noted even
in this early case; the transistors flown in the first active communications
satellite, Telstar, failed due to radiation exposure, even though the
satellite was launched after the Starfish Prime HANE."

I was suggesting that modern semiconductor devices and circuit design might
be more immune to this kind of radiation damage, so the need for
"remediation" might not be as great as was suggested in the paper. 

73

Hugh M0WYE

 
 
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From: Talbot Andrew <mailto:ACTALBOT@mail.dstl.gov.uk>  
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>  
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:14 AM
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My understanding of EMP Nuclear bombs - gained from documentation from the
1960s/70s, was that these were exo-atmospheric bursts designed to generate
huge impulses at the ground due to Compton scattering of electrons blasted
down from the upper atmosphere.
 
Tests  ( on BikiniAtol ?) caused severe disruption to electronic equipment
hundreds to thousands of km away, and are even reputed to have knocked out
streetlights at those sorts of distances.
 
I don't see how satellites well above the atmosphere could be disrupted by
such an event.  Direct satelite damage was very difficult to produce then
due to the difficulties of getting close enough - even a 1MT bomb probably
has to be within less than a kilometre of a satellite for its direct
radiation to be high enough to damage the electronics (no blast damage in
space !)  Satellites are designed to withstand high radiation levels from
the sun.   Rember the huge programme of Star Wars started in the '80's.
Nowadays such close positioning would be easier, of course.
 
So it looks as if satcoms would survive, whereas HF and ground based
electronics would not.   SRI, fellow amateurs hoping for a return to HF!
 
All info gained from open literature ;-)
 
Andy  G4JNT

 


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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andre Kesteloot
Sent: 22 August 2006 16:14
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: Alarming message


Hugh_m0wye wrote: 




3. The supposed disruption to satelites caused by a HANE seems to be based
on what happened to Telstar and similar vintage space-craft. Surely satelite
design has progressed since then, with better shielding and "radiation
hardened" devices being used. If satelites are more robust then much of the
reason for using RBR evaporates.

It could be that the concerns may be over the possibility of a North Korean
missile sent in space to create an EMP and wiping out satellite
communications
There is a difference between space equipment being "radiation-hardened"
against the radiations normally found in space, and the neutrons. etc, that
could be created by a nuclear device exploded in space.

73
Andr�  N4ICK

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=20 <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D273390509-23082006><FONT fa=
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=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>My understanding of EMP Nuclear bombs - gain=
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=20 electrons blasted down from the upper atmosphere.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>=

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=20 <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D273390509-23082006><FONT fa=
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=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Tests&nbsp; ( on BikiniAtol ?) caused severe=
=20disruption=20
=20 to electronic equipment hundreds to thousands of km away, and are eve=
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=20 distances.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
=20 <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D273390509-23082006><FONT fa=
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=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
=20 <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D273390509-23082006><FONT fa=
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=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I don't see how satellites well above the at=
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=20 could be disrupted by such an event.&nbsp; Direct satelite damage was=
=20very=20
=20 difficult to produce then due to the difficulties of getting close en=
ough -=20
=20 even a 1MT bomb probably has to be within less than a kilometre of a =
satellite=20
=20 for its direct radiation to be high enough to damage the electronics =
(no blast=20
=20 damage in space !)&nbsp; Satellites are designed to withstand high ra=
diation=20
=20 levels from the sun.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Rember the huge programme of St=
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=20 started in the '80's.&nbsp; Nowadays such close positioning&nbsp;woul=
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=20 <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D273390509-23082006><FONT fa=
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=20 <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D273390509-23082006><FONT fa=
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=20 <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D273390509-23082006><FONT fa=
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=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>All info gained from open literature=20
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Hi Andy,

I don't quite know where EMP crept into the discussion.

Dick's original E-mail to this reflector was about a paper on Radiation =
Belt Remediation.

http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/research/space/ag-24-2025.pdf

This was suggesting using large amounts of VLF to "drain" the artifical =
radiation belts produced by a High Altitude Nuclear Explosion.=20

The paper was suggesting that the radiation belts would damage low earth =
orbit satelites - based on the observations of such damage found in the =
1960s. I quote ...

"The effect of the Starfish Prime HANE on the radiation belts was =
observed by multiple spacecraft. However, the intense artificial belts =
injected by the HANE damaged 3 of the 5 satellites operating at the =
time. Within a small number of days, data transmissions from the Ariel, =
Transit IVB and TRAAC satellites became intermittent or ceased =
altogether (Massey, 1964), primarily due to degrading solar cells. Other =
effects were also noted even in this early case; the transistors flown =
in the first active communications satellite, Telstar, failed due to =
radiation exposure, even though the satellite was launched after the =
Starfish Prime HANE."

I was suggesting that modern semiconductor devices and circuit design =
might be more immune to this kind of radiation damage, so the need for =
"remediation" might not be as great as was suggested in the paper.=20

73

Hugh M0WYE



  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Talbot Andrew=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 10:14 AM
  Subject: RE: LF: Re: Alarming message


  My understanding of EMP Nuclear bombs - gained from documentation from =
the 1960s/70s, was that these were exo-atmospheric bursts designed to =
generate huge impulses at the ground due to Compton scattering of =
electrons blasted down from the upper atmosphere.

  Tests  ( on BikiniAtol ?) caused severe disruption to electronic =
equipment hundreds to thousands of km away, and are even reputed to have =
knocked out streetlights at those sorts of distances.

  I don't see how satellites well above the atmosphere could be =
disrupted by such an event.  Direct satelite damage was very difficult =
to produce then due to the difficulties of getting close enough - even a =
1MT bomb probably has to be within less than a kilometre of a satellite =
for its direct radiation to be high enough to damage the electronics (no =
blast damage in space !)  Satellites are designed to withstand high =
radiation levels from the sun.   Rember the huge programme of Star Wars =
started in the '80's.  Nowadays such close positioning would be easier, =
of course.

  So it looks as if satcoms would survive, whereas HF and ground based =
electronics would not.   SRI, fellow amateurs hoping for a return to HF!

  All info gained from open literature ;-)

  Andy  G4JNT





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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andre Kesteloot
  Sent: 22 August 2006 16:14
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: Re: LF: Re: Alarming message


  Hugh_m0wye wrote:=20



    3. The supposed disruption to satelites caused by a HANE seems to be =
based on what happened to Telstar and similar vintage space-craft. =
Surely satelite design has progressed since then, with better shielding =
and "radiation hardened" devices being used. If satelites are more =
robust then much of the reason for using RBR evaporates.

  It could be that the concerns may be over the possibility of a North =
Korean missile sent in space to create an EMP and wiping out satellite =
communications
  There is a difference between space equipment being =
"radiation-hardened" against the radiations normally found in space, and =
the neutrons. etc, that could be created by a nuclear device exploded in =
space.

  73
  Andr=E9  N4ICK

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<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D3>I don't quite know where =
EMP crept into=20
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<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D3>Dick's original E-mail to =
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was about a paper on Radiation Belt Remediation.</FONT></P>
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<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D3>This was suggesting using =
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Altitude&nbsp;Nuclear Explosion. </FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D3>The paper was suggesting =
that the=20
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observations of such damage found in the 1960s.&nbsp;I quote =
...</FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft>"The effect of the Starfish Prime HANE on the radiation =
belts was=20
observed by multiple spacecraft. However, the intense artificial belts =
injected=20
by the HANE damaged 3 of the 5 satellites operating at the time. Within =
a small=20
number of days, data transmissions from the Ariel, Transit IVB and TRAAC =

satellites became intermittent or ceased altogether (Massey, 1964), =
primarily=20
due to degrading solar cells. Other effects were also noted even in this =
early=20
case; the transistors flown in the first active communications =
satellite,=20
Telstar, failed due to radiation exposure, even though the satellite was =

launched after the Starfish Prime HANE."</P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D3>I was suggesting that =
modern=20
semiconductor devices and circuit design might be more immune to this =
kind of=20
radiation damage, so the need for "remediation" might not be as great as =
was=20
suggested in the paper. </FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D3>73</FONT></P>
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D273390509-23082006><FONT =
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  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>My understanding of EMP Nuclear bombs - =
gained from=20
  documentation from the 1960s/70s, was that these were exo-atmospheric =
bursts=20
  designed to generate huge impulses at the ground due to Compton =
scattering of=20
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face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Tests&nbsp; ( on BikiniAtol ?) caused severe =
disruption=20
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reputed=20
  to have knocked out streetlights at those sorts of=20
  distances.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I don't see how satellites well above the =
atmosphere=20
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very=20
  difficult to produce then due to the difficulties of getting close =
enough -=20
  even a 1MT bomb probably has to be within less than a kilometre of a =
satellite=20
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(no blast=20
  damage in space !)&nbsp; Satellites are designed to withstand high =
radiation=20
  levels from the sun.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Rember the huge programme of =
Star Wars=20
  started in the '80's.&nbsp; Nowadays such close positioning&nbsp;would =
be=20
  easier, of course.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D273390509-23082006><FONT =
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D273390509-23082006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>So it looks as if satcoms would survive, =
whereas HF and=20
  ground based electronics would not.&nbsp;&nbsp; SRI, fellow amateurs =
hoping=20
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D273390509-23082006><FONT =
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D273390509-23082006><FONT =
face=3DArial=20
  color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>All info gained from open literature=20
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  <DIV dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><SPAN class=3D273390509-23082006><FONT =
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My understanding of EMP Nuclear bombs - gained from documentation from th=
e
1960s/70s, was that these were exo-atmospheric bursts designed to generat=
e
huge impulses at the ground due to Compton scattering of electrons blaste=
d
down from the upper atmosphere.
=20
Tests  ( on BikiniAtol ?) caused severe disruption to electronic equipmen=
t
hundreds to thousands of km away, and are even reputed to have knocked ou=
t
streetlights at those sorts of distances.
=20
I don't see how satellites well above the atmosphere could be disrupted b=
y
such an event.  Direct satelite damage was very difficult to produce then=

due to the difficulties of getting close enough - even a 1MT bomb probabl=
y
has to be within less than a kilometre of a satellite for its direct
radiation to be high enough to damage the electronics (no blast damage in=

space !)  Satellites are designed to withstand high radiation levels from=

the sun.   Rember the huge programme of Star Wars started in the '80's.
Nowadays such close positioning would be easier, of course.
=20
So it looks as if satcoms would survive, whereas HF and ground based
electronics would not.   SRI, fellow amateurs hoping for a return to HF!
=20
All info gained from open literature ;-)
=20
Andy  G4JNT

=20


=20 _____ =20

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Andre Kesteloot
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Hugh_m0wye wrote:=20




3. The supposed disruption to satelites caused by a HANE seems to be base=
d
on what happened to Telstar and similar vintage space-craft. Surely satel=
ite
design has progressed since then, with better shielding and "radiation
hardened" devices being used. If satelites are more robust then much of t=
he
reason for using RBR evaporates.

It could be that the concerns may be over the possibility of a North Kore=
an
missile sent in space to create an EMP and wiping out satellite
communications
There is a difference between space equipment being "radiation-hardened"
against the radiations normally found in space, and the neutrons. etc, th=
at
could be created by a nuclear device exploded in space.

73
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=273390509-23082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2>My understanding of EMP Nuclear bombs - gained from 
documentation from the 1960s/70s, was that these were exo-atmospheric bursts 
designed to generate huge impulses at the ground due to Compton scattering of 
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=273390509-23082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2>Tests&nbsp; ( on BikiniAtol ?) caused severe disruption to 
electronic equipment hundreds to thousands of km away, and are even reputed to 
have knocked out streetlights at those sorts of distances.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=273390509-23082006><FONT face=Arial 
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=273390509-23082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2>I don't see how satellites well above the atmosphere could 
be disrupted by such an event.&nbsp; Direct satelite damage was very difficult 
to produce then due to the difficulties of getting close enough - even a 1MT 
bomb probably has to be within less than a kilometre of a satellite for its 
direct radiation to be high enough to damage the electronics (no blast damage in 
space !)&nbsp; Satellites are designed to withstand high radiation levels from 
the sun.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Rember the huge programme of Star Wars started in the 
'80's.&nbsp; Nowadays such close positioning&nbsp;would be easier, of 
course.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=273390509-23082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2>So it looks as if satcoms would survive, whereas HF and 
ground based electronics would not.&nbsp;&nbsp; SRI, fellow amateurs hoping for 
a return to HF!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=273390509-23082006><FONT face=Arial 
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Kesteloot<BR><B>Sent:</B> 22 August 2006 16:14<BR><B>To:</B> 
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  happened to Telstar and similar vintage space-craft. Surely satelite design 
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that the concerns may be over the possibility of a North Korean missile sent in 
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At 16:51 22/8/2006 +0100, you wrote:

> No satellite communications!!!! We would have to find some kind of 
> alternative way to transmit signals round the world. Now didn't there 
> used to be something called HF? Where on earth can we get lots of 
> experts in this old-fashioned technology?

That system (HF radio) became obsolete due to very high costs
of training and employing the necessary human operators. Nowdays
the frequencies formerly used by HF radio have been silently
re-allocated to broadband internet providers over mains
electricity power lines.

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Mike Dennison wrote:
> No satellite communications!!!! We would have to find some kind of=
=20
> alternative way to transmit signals round the world. Now didn't the=
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> used to be something called HF? Where on earth can we get lots of=
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> experts in this old-fashioned technology?
>
> Mike. G3XDV
> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
>
>  =20
but meanwhile,
a) we have all become addicted to "bandwidth",
 and
b) many of us (particularly the Military) have learned the benefits o=
f=20
obfuscation and content-free explanations, and no longer know how to=
=20
create messages that are short and to the point, something rather=
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crucial in HF  :-)

73
Andr=E9 N4ICK




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No satellite communications!!!! We would have to find some kind of 
alternative way to transmit signals round the world. Now didn't there 
used to be something called HF? Where on earth can we get lots of 
experts in this old-fashioned technology?

Mike. G3XDV
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> It could be that the concerns may be over the possibility of a North
> Korean missile sent in space to create an EMP and wiping out satellite
> communications There is a difference between space equipment being
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> 73
> Andr=E9  N4ICK
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> 





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Hello Dick,

The same issue popped up on an other list last week.
After a lot of turmoil it dawned upon some knowledgeable people that the 
scientists had mixed up transmitter power and radiated power of VLF 
stations: 1 MW transmitter power and 1 W radiated power. This is far to less 
to generate the desired effects on propagation.

73 Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt 



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I seem to remember that ill-thoughtout "experiments" like this have been
mooted before. Did not the Americans want a one stage to improve the
ionosphere by tipping a lorry load of thin wire dipoles into orbit, the
Russians wanted to paint the Artic ice black to make Arctic Russia more
habitable. Someone wanted to inject sodium ions into the ionsphere to
"improve" it. Fortunately most of these hare-brained schemes have been
squelched at an early stage.

"HF?? Nobody uses HF for communication these days....do they ??"

Cheers de Alan G3NYK





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Hi Dick,
1. Was there not a similar scare a few years ago about ionospheric =
warming casued by HAARP experiments etc. ?
2. Pat g4gvw makes very valid objections in his E-mail, matters which =
seem to be dismissed as "societal not scientific" in the paper by =
C.J.Roger et. al. ...

"In the extreme, and hopefully unlikely case of a HANE (High Altitude =
Nuclear Explosion), the disruption caused during RBR operation would =
probably be viewed as acceptable. However, this might not be the case =
for an RBRoperating to flush an intense natural injection, although is =
clearly a societal rather than a scientific matter."

3. The supposed disruption to satelites caused by a HANE seems to be =
based on what happened to Telstar and similar vintage space-craft. =
Surely satelite design has progressed since then, with better shielding =
and "radiation hardened" devices being used. If satelites are more =
robust then much of the reason for using RBR evaporates.

4. There doesn't seem to be much discussion of what effect such a high =
level VLF field would have directly, it all seems to be about HF =
communication.=20

Just some thoughts ...

73

Hugh M0WYE







  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  To All from PA0SE

  A friend of mine drew my attention to the following rather alarming =
message:


      Van: ARRL Web site [mailto:memberlist@www.arrl.org]
      Verzonden: woensdag 16 augustus 2006 15:31
      Aan: pa3alg@xs4all.nl
      CC: Subscribed ARRL Members:
      Onderwerp: ARLP033 Propagation de K7RA

      SB PROP ARL ARLP033
      ARLP033 Propagation de K7RA

      This is a special early edition of the propagation bulletin, three
      days before the regular Friday publication schedule.  The regular
      bulletin will appear on Friday, August 18.

      A newspaper article on Monday out of New Zealand reported a =
proposed
      Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) project that =
could
      cause major worldwide disruptions to HF radio communication and =
GPS
      navigation.  The ''Radiation Belt Remediation'' (RBR) system is
      envisaged as a method for protecting low earth orbit (LEO)
      satellites from damage caused by high altitude nuclear detonations
      or severe solar storms.  Testing the system would use extremely =
high
      intensity very low frequency (VLF) radio waves to flush particles
      from radiation belts and dump them into the upper atmosphere.

      When I first heard of this on Monday morning, I thought it must be
      something from a fringe web site peddling dark conspiracy =
theories.
      But the newspaper reporting the news is real, and so is the team =
of
      scientists from New Zealand, the UK and Finland whose study of
      possible effects of the scheme is reported in a recent edition of
      Annales Geophysicae.

      You can find the article here:

      http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/research/space/ag-24-2025.pdf

      A web page from the University of Otago describing the research is
      here:

      =
http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/research/space/RBR_Media_release_8Aug06.ht=
m

      I contacted the lead researcher on the team reporting the possible
      effects of the project, Dr. Craig Rodger of the Physics Department
      at the University of Otago in Dunedin, New Zealand.  He proved =
very
      cooperative, accessible and helpful, and told me RBR is a serious
      project, ''money is starting to appear to investigate it in more
      detail'', and ''U.S. scientists with military connections are =
treating
      it seriously''.

      It is feared that testing the system could shut down worldwide HF
      communications for several days to a week, rendering the =
ionosphere
      a giant sponge for RF.

      I sent Dr. Rodger a comment from Ward Silver, N0AX, who speculated
      ''the sheer energy needed to accomplish it would tend to rule it =
out
      from the start, and I don't know where they would erect the
      necessary antennas.''

      Dr. Rodger responded, ''This would be true, but they are hoping to
      rely on some of the non-linear processes in space plasmas, =
stealing
      the energy from the radiation belts to get the wave-amplitudes =
high
      enough.  We know this is possible (in theory), as it happens
      naturally already.  We don't know how easy it will be to get it
      happening under our control''.

      ''Also, as for erecting the antenna, there are two plans.  One is =
to
      fly VLF antenna in space.  This could be a power problem.  But for
      ground-based systems, you probably already know that most major
      naval powers have big VLF transmitters dotted over the globe.  =
(Two
      of the US Navy transmitters radiate one megawatt).  While these =
are
      designed to keep the signals mostly under the ionosphere, it shows
      the possibility for building big powerful antenna''.

      You can read Monday's article from the New Zealand Herald, here:

      =
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=3D1ObjectID=3D10396164

      If you would like to make a comment or have a tip for our readers,
      email the author at, k7ra@arrl.net.






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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Dick,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1. Was there not a similar scare a few =
years ago=20
about ionospheric warming casued by HAARP experiments etc. =
?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2. Pat g4gvw makes very =
valid objections=20
in his E-mail, matters which seem to be dismissed as "societal not =
scientific"=20
in the paper by C.J.Roger et. al. ...</FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2><FONT =
face=3DArial>"In the=20
extreme, and </FONT><FONT face=3DArial>hopefully unlikely case of a HANE =
(High=20
Altitude Nuclear Explosion), the disruption caused </FONT><FONT=20
face=3DArial>during RBR operation would probably be viewed as =
acceptable.=20
</FONT><FONT face=3DArial>However, this might not be the case for an =
RBRoperating=20
</FONT><FONT face=3DArial>to flush an intense natural injection, =
although is=20
</FONT><FONT face=3DArial>clearly a societal rather than a scientific=20
matter."</FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial>3. The supposed disruption to =
satelites caused by=20
a HANE seems to be based on what happened to Telstar and similar vintage =

space-craft. Surely satelite design has progressed since then, with =
better=20
shielding and "radiation hardened" devices being used. If satelites are =
more=20
robust then much of the reason for using RBR evaporates.</FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DArial>4. There doesn't seem to be much =
discussion of=20
what effect such a high level VLF field would have directly, it all =
seems to be=20
about HF communication. </FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D3>Just some thoughts =
...</FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D3>73</FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D3>Hugh M0WYE</FONT></P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</P>
<P align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DVerdana =
size=3D3></FONT>&nbsp;</P></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Ddickrollema@casema.nl =
href=3D"mailto:dickrollema@casema.nl">Dick=20
  Rollema</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">LF-Group</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, August 22, 2006 =
10:49=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: Alarming =
message</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana></FONT><BR></DIV><FONT size=3D3>To All from=20
  PA0SE<BR><BR>A friend of mine drew my attention to the following =
rather=20
  alarming message:<BR><BR>
  <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">
    <BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dcite cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">Van: ARRL Web site =
[<A=20
      href=3D"mailto:memberlist@www.arrl.org"=20
      =
eudora=3D"autourl">mailto:memberlist@www.arrl.org</A>]<BR>Verzonden:=20
      woensdag 16 augustus 2006 15:31<BR>Aan: <A=20
      href=3D"mailto:pa3alg@xs4all.nl">pa3alg@xs4all.nl</A><BR>CC: =
Subscribed ARRL=20
      Members:<BR>Onderwerp: ARLP033 Propagation de K7RA<BR><BR>SB PROP =
ARL=20
      ARLP033<BR>ARLP033 Propagation de K7RA<BR><BR>This is a special =
early=20
      edition of the propagation bulletin, three<BR>days before the =
regular=20
      Friday publication schedule.&nbsp; The regular<BR>bulletin will =
appear on=20
      Friday, August 18.<BR><BR>A newspaper article on Monday out of New =
Zealand=20
      reported a proposed<BR>Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency =
(DARPA)=20
      project that could<BR>cause major worldwide disruptions to HF =
radio=20
      communication and GPS<BR>navigation.&nbsp; The ''Radiation Belt=20
      Remediation'' (RBR) system is<BR>envisaged as a method for =
protecting low=20
      earth orbit (LEO)<BR>satellites from damage caused by high =
altitude=20
      nuclear detonations<BR>or severe solar storms.&nbsp; Testing the =
system=20
      would use extremely high<BR>intensity very low frequency (VLF) =
radio waves=20
      to flush particles<BR>from radiation belts and dump them into the =
upper=20
      atmosphere.<BR><BR>When I first heard of this on Monday morning, I =
thought=20
      it must be<BR>something from a fringe web site peddling dark =
conspiracy=20
      theories.<BR>But the newspaper reporting the news is real, and so =
is the=20
      team of<BR>scientists from New Zealand, the UK and Finland whose =
study=20
      of<BR>possible effects of the scheme is reported in a recent =
edition=20
      of<BR>Annales Geophysicae.<BR><BR>You can find the article =
here:<BR><BR><A=20
      =
href=3D"http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/research/space/ag-24-2025.pdf"=20
      =
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/research/space/ag-24-20=
25.pdf</A><BR><BR>A=20
      web page from the University of Otago describing the research=20
      is<BR>here:<BR><BR><A=20
      =
href=3D"http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/research/space/RBR_Media_release_8=
Aug06.htm"=20
      =
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/research/space/RBR_Medi=
a_release_8Aug06.htm</A><BR><BR>I=20
      contacted the lead researcher on the team reporting the=20
      possible<BR>effects of the project, Dr. Craig Rodger of the =
Physics=20
      Department<BR>at the University of Otago in Dunedin, New =
Zealand.&nbsp; He=20
      proved very<BR>cooperative, accessible and helpful, and told me =
RBR is a=20
      serious<BR>project, ''money is starting to appear to investigate =
it in=20
      more<BR>detail'', and ''U.S. scientists with military connections =
are=20
      treating<BR>it seriously''.<BR><BR>It is feared that testing the =
system=20
      could shut down worldwide HF<BR>communications for several days to =
a week,=20
      rendering the ionosphere<BR>a giant sponge for RF.<BR><BR>I sent =
Dr.=20
      Rodger a comment from Ward Silver, N0AX, who speculated<BR>''the =
sheer=20
      energy needed to accomplish it would tend to rule it out<BR>from =
the=20
      start, and I don't know where they would erect the<BR>necessary=20
      antennas.''<BR><BR>Dr. Rodger responded, ''This would be true, but =
they=20
      are hoping to<BR>rely on some of the non-linear processes in space =

      plasmas, stealing<BR>the energy from the radiation belts to get =
the=20
      wave-amplitudes high<BR>enough.&nbsp; We know this is possible (in =

      theory), as it happens<BR>naturally already.&nbsp; We don't know =
how easy=20
      it will be to get it<BR>happening under our =
control''.<BR><BR>''Also, as=20
      for erecting the antenna, there are two plans.&nbsp; One is =
to<BR>fly VLF=20
      antenna in space.&nbsp; This could be a power problem.&nbsp; But=20
      for<BR>ground-based systems, you probably already know that most=20
      major<BR>naval powers have big VLF transmitters dotted over the=20
      globe.&nbsp; (Two<BR>of the US Navy transmitters radiate one=20
      megawatt).&nbsp; While these are<BR>designed to keep the signals =
mostly=20
      under the ionosphere, it shows<BR>the possibility for building big =

      powerful antenna''.<BR><BR>You can read Monday's article from the =
New=20
      Zealand Herald, here:<BR><BR><A=20
      =
href=3D"http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=3D1ObjectID=3D10=
396164"=20
      =
eudora=3D"autourl">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=3D1Ob=
jectID=3D10396164</A><BR><BR>If=20
      you would like to make a comment or have a tip for our =
readers,<BR>email=20
      the author at,=20
  =
k7ra@arrl.net.<BR><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOC=
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Great site Mike! Thanks for that - I hadn't come avross that one  before
 
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scary stuff!=20
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...Came back on at around 0935utc

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
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  Dear LF Group,

  DCF39 seems to be off again this morning, with the "sweeping carrier" =
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  Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Its just  dark in dcf39 land and the signal just coming out of the noize he=
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That would be wonderful Ralph. Very sad to hear of his passing. I have and 
continue to use his software. A very generous man he was.

Mike
WE0H


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "W5JGV (Ralph Hartwell)"
To: <lowfer@lwca.org>; <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2006 5:08 PM
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> >   Perhaps someone can take over his website to keep the
> > information available. The programs are particularly valuable
> > to LF operators and there is relatively little else out there
> > suitable for LF antennas.
>
> I have archived his entire website.
>
> If Reg's family chooses to close his website, and should they so desire,
> I can make either the individual files or his entire website available
> on one of my websites.
>
> 73,
>
> Ralph   W5JGV - WC2XSR/13 - WD2XSH/7
>
> http://w5jgv.com
> http://500kc.com
> http://spectrotek.com
> http://kc5cah.com 



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Hi Alan,

  Sad news indeed. I had thought of asking Reg for some background on his models but never got 'round to it.  

  Perhaps someone can take over his website to keep the information available. The programs are particularly valuable to LF operators and there is relatively little else out there suitable for LF antennas.

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Alan Melia" <alan.melia@btinternet.com>
> Hi all Some of you may have seen this sad news I just collected from a UK
> NG. I have suggested that the family try to find a way of keeping his web
> site flying as a memorial to the efforts he put into Amateur Radio on-line.
> 
> It is sad to have to make this comment but the address lines of the posters
> suggest that the mail is genuine
> 
> Alan Melia G3NYK
> --------------------------------------------snip
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Reg Edwards <g4fgq.regp@ZZZbtinternet.com>
> Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur
> Sent: 30 August 2006 13:44
> Subject: Reg Edwards (G4FGQ)
> 
> 
> > We regret to inform you of the passing away of Reg Edwards (G4FGQ) on
> > Monday 28th August 2006. We would like to thank all correspondants on
> > his behalf for the many years of entertainment that you have given
> > him.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > The Edwards Family
> >
> > peteredw@blueyonder.co.uk
> > jeanproctor@hotmail.com
> 
> 
> 




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Hi all Some of you may have seen this sad news I just collected from a UK
NG. I have suggested that the family try to find a way of keeping his web
site flying as a memorial to the efforts he put into Amateur Radio on-line.

It is sad to have to make this comment but the address lines of the posters
suggest that the mail is genuine

Alan Melia G3NYK
--------------------------------------------snip
----- Original Message -----
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> We regret to inform you of the passing away of Reg Edwards (G4FGQ) on
> Monday 28th August 2006. We would like to thank all correspondants on
> his behalf for the many years of entertainment that you have given
> him.
>
> Regards,
>
> The Edwards Family
>
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> jeanproctor@hotmail.com




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Dear Alan and Geri,

... I have to confess that I had actually sent an eMail to the EFR back in=20
2000, suggesting 85% energy savings (and less Luxembourg QRM for us) by redu=
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idle carrier power by 13 dB (http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/to_efr.txt). For=20
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One thing I have been pondering is that if we would record the carrier phase=
=20
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could use that information to deconvolve the received DCF signal and narrow=20=
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sted=20
by G3PLX and others. A practical data format could be IQ pairs at one sample=
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per second, with a new file starting every full hour.

73 de Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 29.08.2006 11:55:50 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt=
=20
alan.melia@btinternet.com:=20

> Hi Geri, mmmm I hope not, because random changes in level will kill it as=20=
a
> useful beacon source, and relagate it to the category of QRM.
>=20
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>=20
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW <geri@dk8kw.de>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: 29 August 2006 05:43
> Subject: Re: LF: DCF39
>=20
>=20
> Hello Markus,
>=20
> very interesting graph.
>=20
> I guess at the currently high energy costs someone at the Europ=E4ischen
> Funkrundsteuerung GmbH (EFR) must have started to think if it is really
> necessary to put a 40 to 50 kW permanent carrier on the air to remotely
> switch on and off street lamp. These 3 dB steps might be tests for a syste=
m
> to reduce the carrier level at least between the telegrams to save costs.
>=20
> Best 73
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> Geri, DK8KW / W1KW / DI2BO
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=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"2">Dear Alan and Geri,<BR>
<BR>
... I have to confess that I had actually sent an eMail to the EFR back in 2=
000, suggesting 85% energy savings (and less Luxembourg QRM for us) by reduc=
ing idle carrier power by 13 dB (<A HREF=3D"http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/to=
_efr.txt">http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/to_efr.txt</A>). For propagation mon=
itoring in sub-Hz bandwidth you would of course get a weaker carrier, but pr=
obably not be disturbed by the power change during the relatively wideband F=
SK telegrams. Anyway I think their current instabilities seem to be related=20=
to technical problems rather than intentional actions.<BR>
<BR>
One thing I have been pondering is that if we would record the carrier phase=
 evolution locally and distribute it by internet, a distant monitoring stati=
on could use that information to deconvolve the received DCF signal and narr=
ow it down from about 0.1 Hz to any sub-milliHz bandwidth, gaining at least=20=
20 dB in sensitivity. We could reference the phase log to GPS-derived 138830=
 Hz, which would enable the use of coherent signal processing techniques as=20=
suggested by G3PLX and others. A practical data format could be IQ pairs at=20=
one sample per second, with a new file starting every full hour.<BR>
<BR>
73 de Markus, DF6NM<BR>
<BR>
In einer eMail vom 29.08.2006 11:55:50 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt=
 alan.melia@btinternet.com: <BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hi Geri, mmmm I hope not, becau=
se random changes in level will kill it as a<BR>
useful beacon source, and relagate it to the category of QRM.<BR>
<BR>
Cheers de Alan G3NYK<BR>
<BR>
----- Original Message -----<BR>
From: Holger 'Geri', DK8KW &lt;geri@dk8kw.de&gt;<BR>
To: &lt;rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org&gt;<BR>
Sent: 29 August 2006 05:43<BR>
Subject: Re: LF: DCF39<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Hello Markus,<BR>
<BR>
very interesting graph.<BR>
<BR>
I guess at the currently high energy costs someone at the Europ=E4ischen<BR>
Funkrundsteuerung GmbH (EFR) must have started to think if it is really<BR>
necessary to put a 40 to 50 kW permanent carrier on the air to remotely<BR>
switch on and off street lamp. These 3 dB steps might be tests for a system<=
BR>
to reduce the carrier level at least between the telegrams to save costs.<BR=
>
<BR>
Best 73<BR>
<BR>
Geri, DK8KW / W1KW / DI2BO<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Hi Geri, mmmm I hope not, because random changes in level will kill it as a
useful beacon source, and relagate it to the category of QRM.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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Hello Markus,

very interesting graph.

I guess at the currently high energy costs someone at the Europ�ischen
Funkrundsteuerung GmbH (EFR) must have started to think if it is really
necessary to put a 40 to 50 kW permanent carrier on the air to remotely
switch on and off street lamp. These 3 dB steps might be tests for a system
to reduce the carrier level at least between the telegrams to save costs.

Best 73

Geri, DK8KW / W1KW / DI2BO




  ----- Original Message -----
  From: MarkusVester@aol.com
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 11:47 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: DCF39


  Dear LF group,

  stimulated by Jim's observation of DCF-39 outages, I set up SpecLab's
plotter to monitor the 138.83 kHz carrier from Sunday afternoon till
tonight.

  The two dark blue traces show the maximum and mininimum amplitudes within
each two minute measurement interval. The usual 3 mV/m carrier, attenuated
at the passband edge, places the upper trace at about 40% relative
magnitude. The minimum trace reflects the energy spread during the short
telegrams, about -8dBc when smeared by 0.34 Hz resolution bandwidth.

  On Sunday afternoon, I aurally observed many short interruptions, where
the carrier went off completely after a telegram, and ramped back up after a
couple of seconds. These appear as dips to zero in the minimum trace. There
was also a long outage between 12:00 and 14:15.

  Another interesting feature is the apparent power switching. These 3 dB
steps were again accompanied by short breaks, and occured at 20:40 (up),
Monday 5:40 (down), 7:40 (up), 8:50 (down), 9:10 (up), 9:35 (down).

  The light blue trace shows the recorded azimut, which should of course be
constant and due north. The irregular nighttime variations are usually
introduced by ionospheric multipath.

  However the slower daytime deviations (300 to 350 degrees) are an artifact
due to E-field antenna detuning by moisture. This "summer antenna" is a just
piece of wire strung among the branches of a fir tree, and series resonated
with about 10 mH. Whenever it starts to rain (which was often, e.g. at
16:05), its phase is retarded and the apparent azimuth deviates clockwise,
letting the SXV trace on my grabber display turn from orange to greenish
(makes sense doesn't it ;-) I have tried to minimize this by loading the
antenna with a high receiver input impedance, but there is probably also a
direct dielectric effect disturbing the local electric field.

  The red traces and dots are for SXV around 135.75 kHz. They show the usual
morning and afternoon fieldstrength minima, as well as the same weather
artifacts in azimuth.

  73 and best wishes
  Markus, DF6NM




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Hello Markus,

very interesting graph.

I guess at the currently high energy costs someone at the Europ=E4ischen =
Funkrundsteuerung GmbH (EFR) must have started to think if it is really =
necessary to put a 40 to 50 kW permanent carrier on the air to remotely =
switch on and off street lamp. These 3 dB steps might be tests for a =
system to reduce the carrier level at least between the telegrams to =
save costs. =20

Best 73

Geri, DK8KW / W1KW / DI2BO




  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: MarkusVester@aol.com=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 11:47 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: DCF39


  Dear LF group,

  stimulated by Jim's observation of DCF-39 outages, I set up SpecLab's =
plotter to monitor the 138.83 kHz carrier from Sunday afternoon till =
tonight.

  The two dark blue traces show the maximum and mininimum amplitudes =
within each two minute measurement interval. The usual 3 mV/m carrier, =
attenuated at the passband edge, places the upper trace at about 40% =
relative magnitude. The minimum trace reflects the energy spread during =
the short telegrams, about -8dBc when smeared by 0.34 Hz resolution =
bandwidth.

  On Sunday afternoon, I aurally observed many short interruptions, =
where the carrier went off completely after a telegram, and ramped back =
up after a couple of seconds. These appear as dips to zero in the =
minimum trace. There was also a long outage between 12:00 and 14:15.

  Another interesting feature is the apparent power switching. These 3 =
dB steps were again accompanied by short breaks, and occured at 20:40 =
(up), Monday 5:40 (down), 7:40 (up), 8:50 (down), 9:10 (up), 9:35 =
(down).

  The light blue trace shows the recorded azimut, which should of course =
be constant and due north. The irregular nighttime variations are =
usually introduced by ionospheric multipath.

  However the slower daytime deviations (300 to 350 degrees) are an =
artifact due to E-field antenna detuning by moisture. This "summer =
antenna" is a just piece of wire strung among the branches of a fir =
tree, and series resonated with about 10 mH. Whenever it starts to rain =
(which was often, e.g. at 16:05), its phase is retarded and the apparent =
azimuth deviates clockwise, letting the SXV trace on my grabber display =
turn from orange to greenish (makes sense doesn't it ;-) I have tried to =
minimize this by loading the antenna with a high receiver input =
impedance, but there is probably also a direct dielectric effect =
disturbing the local electric field.

  The red traces and dots are for SXV around 135.75 kHz. They show the =
usual morning and afternoon fieldstrength minima, as well as the same =
weather artifacts in azimuth.

  73 and best wishes
  Markus, DF6NM




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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello Markus,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>very interesting graph.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I guess at the currently high energy =
costs someone=20
at the <FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D3>Europ=E4ischen =
Funkrundsteuerung GmbH=20
(EFR) must have started to think if it is really necessary to put a 40 =
to 50 kW=20
permanent carrier on the air to remotely switch on and off&nbsp;street =
lamp.=20
These 3 dB steps might be tests for a system to reduce the carrier =
level&nbsp;at=20
least between the telegrams to save costs. &nbsp;</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" =
size=3D3>Best=20
73</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Geri, DK8KW / W1KW / DI2BO</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3DMarkusVester@aol.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:MarkusVester@aol.com">MarkusVester@aol.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 28, 2006 =
11:47=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: DCF39</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D2 =
face=3DArial size=3D2=20
  FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" PTSIZE=3D"10">Dear LF group,<BR><BR>stimulated by =
Jim's=20
  observation of DCF-39 outages, I set up SpecLab's plotter to monitor =
the=20
  138.83 kHz carrier from Sunday afternoon till tonight.<BR><BR>The two =
dark=20
  blue traces show the maximum and mininimum amplitudes within each two =
minute=20
  measurement interval. The usual 3 mV/m carrier, attenuated at the =
passband=20
  edge, places the upper trace at about 40% relative magnitude. The =
minimum=20
  trace reflects the energy spread during the short telegrams, about =
-8dBc when=20
  smeared by 0.34 Hz resolution bandwidth.<BR><BR>On Sunday afternoon, I =
aurally=20
  observed many short interruptions, where the carrier went off =
completely after=20
  a telegram, and ramped back up after a couple of seconds. These appear =
as dips=20
  to zero in the minimum trace. There was also a long outage between =
12:00 and=20
  14:15.<BR><BR>Another interesting feature is the apparent power =
switching.=20
  These 3 dB steps were again accompanied by short breaks, and occured =
at 20:40=20
  (up), Monday 5:40 (down), 7:40 (up), 8:50 (down), 9:10 (up), 9:35=20
  (down).<BR><BR>The light blue trace shows the recorded azimut, which =
should of=20
  course be constant and due north. The irregular nighttime variations =
are=20
  usually introduced by ionospheric multipath.<BR><BR>However the slower =
daytime=20
  deviations (300 to 350 degrees) are an artifact due to E-field antenna =

  detuning by moisture. This "summer antenna" is a just piece of wire =
strung=20
  among the branches of a fir tree, and series resonated with about 10 =
mH.=20
  Whenever it starts to rain (which was often, e.g. at 16:05), its phase =
is=20
  retarded and the apparent azimuth deviates clockwise, letting the SXV =
trace on=20
  my grabber display turn from orange to greenish (makes sense doesn't =
it ;-) I=20
  have tried to minimize this by loading the antenna with a high =
receiver input=20
  impedance, but there is probably also a direct dielectric effect =
disturbing=20
  the local electric field.<BR><BR>The red traces and dots are for SXV =
around=20
  135.75 kHz. They show the usual morning and afternoon fieldstrength =
minima, as=20
  well as the same weather artifacts in azimuth.<BR><BR>73 and best=20
  wishes<BR>Markus, DF6NM<BR><BR></FONT>
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Dear LF group,

stimulated by Jim's observation of DCF-39 outages, I set up SpecLab's plotter 
to monitor the 138.83 kHz carrier from Sunday afternoon till tonight.

The two dark blue traces show the maximum and mininimum amplitudes within 
each two minute measurement interval. The usual 3 mV/m carrier, attenuated at the 
passband edge, places the upper trace at about 40% relative magnitude. The 
minimum trace reflects the energy spread during the short telegrams, about -8dBc 
when smeared by 0.34 Hz resolution bandwidth.

On Sunday afternoon, I aurally observed many short interruptions, where the 
carrier went off completely after a telegram, and ramped back up after a couple 
of seconds. These appear as dips to zero in the minimum trace. There was also 
a long outage between 12:00 and 14:15.

Another interesting feature is the apparent power switching. These 3 dB steps 
were again accompanied by short breaks, and occured at 20:40 (up), Monday 
5:40 (down), 7:40 (up), 8:50 (down), 9:10 (up), 9:35 (down).

The light blue trace shows the recorded azimut, which should of course be 
constant and due north. The irregular nighttime variations are usually introduced 
by ionospheric multipath.

However the slower daytime deviations (300 to 350 degrees) are an artifact 
due to E-field antenna detuning by moisture. This "summer antenna" is a just 
piece of wire strung among the branches of a fir tree, and series resonated with 
about 10 mH. Whenever it starts to rain (which was often, e.g. at 16:05), its 
phase is retarded and the apparent azimuth deviates clockwise, letting the SXV 
trace on my grabber display turn from orange to greenish (makes sense doesn't 
it ;-) I have tried to minimize this by loading the antenna with a high 
receiver input impedance, but there is probably also a direct dielectric effect 
disturbing the local electric field.

The red traces and dots are for SXV around 135.75 kHz. They show the usual 
morning and afternoon fieldstrength minima, as well as the same weather 
artifacts in azimuth.

73 and best wishes
Markus, DF6NM


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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=
=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"2">Dear LF group,<BR>
<BR>
stimulated by Jim's observation of DCF-39 outages, I set up SpecLab's plotte=
r to monitor the 138.83 kHz carrier from Sunday afternoon till tonight.<BR>
<BR>
The two dark blue traces show the maximum and mininimum amplitudes within ea=
ch two minute measurement interval. The usual 3 mV/m carrier, attenuated at=20=
the passband edge, places the upper trace at about 40% relative magnitude. T=
he minimum trace reflects the energy spread during the short telegrams, abou=
t -8dBc when smeared by 0.34 Hz resolution bandwidth.<BR>
<BR>
On Sunday afternoon, I aurally observed many short interruptions, where the=20=
carrier went off completely after a telegram, and ramped back up after a cou=
ple of seconds. These appear as dips to zero in the minimum trace. There was=
 also a long outage between 12:00 and 14:15.<BR>
<BR>
Another interesting feature is the apparent power switching. These 3 dB step=
s were again accompanied by short breaks, and occured at 20:40 (up), Monday=20=
5:40 (down), 7:40 (up), 8:50 (down), 9:10 (up), 9:35 (down).<BR>
<BR>
The light blue trace shows the recorded azimut, which should of course be co=
nstant and due north. The irregular nighttime variations are usually introdu=
ced by ionospheric multipath.<BR>
<BR>
However the slower daytime deviations (300 to 350 degrees) are an artifact d=
ue to E-field antenna detuning by moisture. This "summer antenna" is a just=20=
piece of wire strung among the branches of a fir tree, and series resonated=20=
with about 10 mH. Whenever it starts to rain (which was often, e.g. at 16:05=
), its phase is retarded and the apparent azimuth deviates clockwise, lettin=
g the SXV trace on my grabber display turn from orange to greenish (makes se=
nse doesn't it ;-) I have tried to minimize this by loading the antenna with=
 a high receiver input impedance, but there is probably also a direct dielec=
tric effect disturbing the local electric field.<BR>
<BR>
The red traces and dots are for SXV around 135.75 kHz. They show the usual m=
orning and afternoon fieldstrength minima, as well as the same weather artif=
acts in azimuth.<BR>
<BR>
73 and best wishes<BR>
Markus, DF6NM<BR>
<BR>
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Dear LF Group,

DCF 39 seems to have been off most of this morning since around 0800. I =
have been hearing periods of carrier being rapidly swept across several =
kHz around 139kHz every couple of seconds - perhaps their synthesiser =
has blown up :-)

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Hi all,
 
As my final input into this debate it seems sad that these people feel the  
need to do this type of research and experiment at all.
 
If the end purpose is to develop a technology to deal with, for instance,  an 
EMP event by say North Korea or anyone else then surely the dollars and  
effort might be far better spent in prevention rather than cure.
 
I rather feel that in the real world inhabited by real people as opposed to  
the strange world inhabited by politicians and their paymasters there are  
genuine possibilities for us all to co-exist without trying to zap each other  
out of existence. 
 
We radio amateurs are, I have always believed, a rather good example of how  
it can work and this recent endeavour to carry out research into LF 
propogation,  sharing the results and cooperating across borders is a demonstration of 
how  well the model could be made to work across an even wider range of  
interests.
 
I guess it comes down to this;
 
 In the race of life it is always worth putting your money on the  horse 
named "Self Interest" because he will always be in there tryng  hard.
 
Now, I believe that saying is attributed to an antipodean prime  minister 
which rather begs a question bearing in mind the source of these  reports.
 
73 de pat g4gvw es gd dx

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<DIV>As my final input into this debate it seems sad that these people feel=20=
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need to do this type of research and experiment at all.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>If the end purpose is to develop a technology to deal with, for instanc=
e,=20
an EMP event by say North Korea or anyone else then surely the dollars and=20
effort might be far better spent in prevention rather than cure.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I rather feel that in the real world inhabited by real people as oppose=
d to=20
the strange world inhabited by politicians and their paymasters there are=20
genuine possibilities for us all to co-exist without trying to zap each othe=
r=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>We radio amateurs are, I have always believed, a rather good example of=
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ion,=20
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=20
well the model could be made to work across an even wider range of=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I guess it comes down to this;</DIV>
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<DIV>Now,&nbsp;I believe that saying is attributed to an antipodean prime=20
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reports.</DIV>
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Hi Nick the quotes were intended to signify an "ironic comment" obviously
not wholely successful !
Alan

----- Original Message -----
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Alan G3NYK wrote;

"HF?? Nobody uses HF for communication these days....do they ??"

Many countries around the world (including Australia) use HF for over
the horizon radar ( OTHR ). I don't think the military of those
countries are going to like having HF shut down for a few days to a
week.

Just my $0.02 worth,
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Hallo Wolf,

Habe mittlerweile V2.7b4 installiert, und habe da zwa eine directory
palette, aber ohne inhalt...
Da werde es gut mir mal eine configurations file zu schicken fur die
"sunrise" palette

Muss nur noch die neue version testen, hi,  aber zur zeit antennetuner nicht
angeslossen, also keine RX antenne...

73

Dcik
----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hello Dick,
>
> A quite new version (V2.7 b4) is available on my website split into two
> parts, so you can download them and "carry them home" on two 1.44 MB
> disks. If that doesn't work, I can send you a configuration file for
> QRSS3 which contains the "sunrise" palette.
>
> 73,
>  Wolf DL4YHF.
>
>
>




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Hello Dick,

A quite new version (V2.7 b4) is available on my website split into two 
parts, so you can download them and "carry them home" on two 1.44 MB 
disks. If that doesn't work, I can send you a configuration file for 
QRSS3 which contains the "sunrise" palette.

73,
 Wolf DL4YHF.




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Hello all,

I'm running spectrum laboratory V2.1 b2 , but I can not get these nice =
pictures I see from many others.
Dispite some tips from Wolf, dl4yhf, I couldn't  change the color =
palette to sunrise-art.
Maybe this option is not available in this version.

A problem is that I have to download programms to a diskette =
1,44MB......
The newest version of spectrum lab. requires 2.35MB.........
My knowledge from computers isn't so good.....

I tried to run Argo 134, but the computer says it can't find =
"MSVCRT.DLL"

Anyone?

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Friends,

The VY1JA beacon is off the air for improvements and will be back on the air 
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nifty it will be sent to this reflector.

The goal is a legal limit transmitter within about two weeks, provided I can 
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73

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Martin,

Just sussed it out before I got your mail. Thanks, I should have
known.

Gary.

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Martin Evans
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EFW TEST G3XIZ.
>
> Chris, I either read EFW wrong (as in 40 M EFW) or I just don't understand
> the abreviation??
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> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT.


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Thanks, Jeff.

Screenshot of PA0BWL from this QTH attached.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM


  -----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of F6CWN
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  27./08/2006   1038z

  G3WCB not so bad too!

  73: Jeff F6CWN (JN09tt)

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Thanks Viktor.

It is the first time I see a screenshot from myself in QRSS mode!
Great!
Running around 150Watt or so

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hello Dick,LF
> 
> screenshot from your signal in Utrecht,with very strong QRN
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> 73
> Victor PA3FNY
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Hi, Dick.

"M" copy this morning. I estimate that you are about 6dB weaker than PA3FNY.
but strong enough for a QSO into "G - land"

Keep up the good work!

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dick
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  I really don't know what's happening Viktor.

  Yes, I run more power than yesterday, but only 1-1.5dB more or so.
  Antenna current is just a little bit more.
  I can crank up the power by another 3-4dB........

  But I want to stay in safe area, hi.

  Thanks again for monitoring!

  Dick
    ----- Original Message -----
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      High power Dick??

      73
      Victor PA3FNY

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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I really don't know what's happening=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But I want to stay in safe area, =
hi.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks again for =
monitoring!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick</FONT></DIV>
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href=3D"mailto:vvkooten@wanadoo.nl">Victor van=20
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      size=3D2>Victor PA3FNY</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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Dear LF Group,

DCF39 seems to be off again this morning, with the "sweeping carrier" =
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Hi Jim yes I had a look about 1520z when I read you message and it was
pounding away then it went off again. There is no obvious lightning activity
in that area according to wetterkarte it is all to the East on the
Polish-Ukraine border. I can see a good signal on 135960 which I think may
be Ankara a Naval station.
Alan

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Dear LF Group,

DCF 39 seems to have been off most of this morning since around 0800. I have
been hearing periods of carrier being rapidly swept across several kHz
around 139kHz every couple of seconds - perhaps their synthesiser has blown
up :-)

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Have to go QRT now, because of rain etc.

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Added some screenshot of the CW activity around 136.5 kHz to my
website. Including: PI4VPO/LT, DK4U, DL2HRE and M0BMU.
Was a bit late and missed the earlier stations.

Also added screenshots of PA3FNY, DK7SU and G3WCB taken on 137.7 kHz.

Screenshots can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
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20./08/2006   1101z


 GM,

PA0BWL was 569 (in quick QSO with PI4VLO / LT.)

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Exist it in rose? (It is for XYL!)    :0)

73: Jeff



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> Brian,
>
>     The most similar piece of kit is the Icom-7800 transceiver which sells
for US $10500.00.  I'm sure that the price will be well north of $10,000 US
and maybe north of US $20,000.
>     Whether you consider that a lot of money depends on your perspective.
>
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
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>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
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> > Are you sure ?
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" <k2ors@comcast.net>
> > To: "LWCA LF Reflector" <lowfer@lwca.org>
> > Cc: "rsgb lf reflector" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: 19 August 2006 15:46
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> >
> >
> > > Hello the lists,
> > >
> > >      One receiver for your LF, MF,HF,VHF,UHF and microwave station! >
> >
> >   Warning probably NOT CHEAP!
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> >
>
>
>



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Brian,

    The most similar piece of kit is the Icom-7800 transceiver which sells for US $10500.00.  I'm sure that the price will be well north of $10,000 US and maybe north of US $20,000.
    Whether you consider that a lot of money depends on your perspective.


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73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
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> Are you sure ?
> 
> 
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> > Hello the lists,
> > 
> >      One receiver for your LF, MF,HF,VHF,UHF and microwave station! >  
> 
>   Warning probably NOT CHEAP!
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> Hello the lists,
> 
>      One receiver for your LF, MF,HF,VHF,UHF and microwave station! >  

  Warning probably NOT CHEAP!
> 
> 
> --


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Dick,

I got a trace of your signal on 137.708 -  "T" copy, with a lot of static
crashes and bangs.  not even enough for a screen shot.

I'll have another look for you tomorrow, hoping that the QRN has gone away..

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
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  Have to go QRT now, because of rain etc.

  All thanks for monitoring, and CU later

  Dick, PA4VHF

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Gary - G4WGT schrieb:
> Hi All,
>
> Today downloaded Ubuntu ver 6.06 - June 2006, created the install CD from
> the ISO using the CD Burner recommended, carried out the install & BINGO
> everything works (except Broadband Internet). I have tried other Linux
> versions & this one does impress me.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>   
Whow, I'm doing exactly that at this very moment when I read your 
message. But my Ubuntu ISO image is still waiting to be installed (on 
the HD). Booting from CDROM worked fine. Even the internet access worked 
right from the start. Impressive ! Next step will be checking Wine with 
one of my homebrew programs ;-)

73,  Wolf DL4YHF .




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Hi All,

Today downloaded Ubuntu ver 6.06 - June 2006, created the install CD from
the ISO using the CD Burner recommended, carried out the install & BINGO
everything works (except Broadband Internet). I have tried other Linux
versions & this one does impress me.

73

Gary - G4WGT.



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Marek SQ5BPM
Sent: 31 August 2006 20:05
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: linux


Andre Kesteloot wrote:
> several people I know have been unable to get Ubuntu to boot.
> Any comments ?

If I recall properly, there were some problems booting certain versions
of Ubuntu (< 5.x ?) with Serial ATA CD ROM drives. The kernel booted up
properly, but then it was unable to mount the CD filesystem. I suppose
that support for such a configuration has been added already.

Also, some newer devices, including especially disappointing Serial ATA
controllers, may need some tinkering, but it has always been like that
with 'too new' equipment and Linux. Nevertheless - always worth trying.

73! Marek SQ5BPM


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Thanks, Fabian, I will try...
Sabine

> Wine version 20050310, Argo V1 build 134 (the latest version I
> think), OSS sound, 2.4 Kernel.
> No tricks needed here, I just apt-get'ed wine (Debian Sarge) and it
> worked right away.
>
> 73,


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On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 08:29:45PM +0200, Sabine Cremer wrote:
> Any time I tried to install Argo with Wine I ended up in error
> messages rising Wine's debug mode. What version do you use or what
> is the trick to talk Wine into executing Argo? Please give me a
> hint so I can get rid of booting Windows night by night hunting at
> transatlantic signals! ;-)

Wine version 20050310, Argo V1 build 134 (the latest version I
think), OSS sound, 2.4 Kernel.
No tricks needed here, I just apt-get'ed wine (Debian Sarge) and it
worked right away.

73,
-- 
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Andre Kesteloot wrote:
> several people I know have been unable to get Ubuntu to boot.
> Any comments ?

If I recall properly, there were some problems booting certain versions 
of Ubuntu (< 5.x ?) with Serial ATA CD ROM drives. The kernel booted up 
properly, but then it was unable to mount the CD filesystem. I suppose 
that support for such a configuration has been added already.

Also, some newer devices, including especially disappointing Serial ATA 
controllers, may need some tinkering, but it has always been like that 
with 'too new' equipment and Linux. Nevertheless - always worth trying.

73! Marek SQ5BPM


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Hi Fabian,

> Argo works fine here with WINE (http://www.winehq.com/, should be
> available on most Linux distributions via the packet-manager).

Any time I tried to install Argo with Wine I ended up in error messages rising 
Wine's debug mode. What version do you use or what is the trick to talk Wine 
into executing Argo? Please give me a hint so I can get rid of booting 
Windows night by night hunting at transatlantic signals! ;-)

73
Sabine


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Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ wrote:
> Andre,
>    You need to burn it as an ISO CD image onto the CD. The first ti=
me I tried I made the mistake of saving it as a regular file (a commo=
n mistake apparently).
> See:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto
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73
Andr=E9 N4ICK
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Andre Kesteloot <andre.kesteloot@verizon.net>
>  =20
>> Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ wrote:
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>>> Bob,
>>>    Let me know how you make out with it, I've recently downloaded=
 the Ubuntu=20
>>>      =20
>> Linux and may switch one of my laptops over.
>>    =20
>>> --
>>> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
>>> FN42hi
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>> several people I know have been unable to get Ubuntu to boot.
>> Any comments ?
>>
>> 73
>> Andr=E9 N4ICK
>>
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>>
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 I tried I made the mistake of saving it as a regular file (a common =
mistake apparently).
See:
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://help.ubuntu.com/co=
mmunity/BurningIsoHowto">https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIso=
Howto</a>



--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xg=
j.htm">http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm</a>
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</blockquote>
thanks Warren, will try that, and will communicate it to the other
non-indicted co-conspirators&nbsp; :-)<br>
<br>
73<br>
Andr&eacute; N4ICK<br>
<blockquote
 cite=3D"mid083120060307.29826.44F6527B0007D30E0000748222135753330B97=
010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net"
 type=3D"cite">
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 -------------- Original message ----------------------
=46rom: Andre Kesteloot <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"ma=
ilto:andre.kesteloot@verizon.net">&lt;andre.kesteloot@verizon.net&gt;=
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    <pre wrap=3D"">Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ wrote:
    </pre>
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      <pre wrap=3D"">Bob,
   Let me know how you make out with it, I've recently downloaded the=
 Ubuntu=20
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    <pre wrap=3D"">Linux and may switch one of my laptops over.
    </pre>
    <blockquote type=3D"cite">
      <pre wrap=3D"">--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xg=
j.htm">http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm</a>
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    <pre wrap=3D"">several people I know have been unable to get Ubun=
tu to boot.
Any comments ?

73
Andr&eacute; N4ICK



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Andre,
   You need to burn it as an ISO CD image onto the CD. The first time I tried I made the mistake of saving it as a regular file (a common mistake apparently).
See:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BurningIsoHowto



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73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Andre Kesteloot <andre.kesteloot@verizon.net>
> Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ wrote:
> > Bob,
> >    Let me know how you make out with it, I've recently downloaded the Ubuntu 
> Linux and may switch one of my laptops over.
> >
> > --
> > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> > FN42hi
> > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
> several people I know have been unable to get Ubuntu to boot.
> Any comments ?
> 
> 73
> Andr� N4ICK
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FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm



This is KNOPPIX and my expierience is limited. It appears to have the
same ability
to do Plug N play,,,, but as it runs from the CD I dont know what it does
to the HD
as it must store stuff there. boots well and takes ummmm 2/ to 3 min to
come up
didnt know you could do that

OS on a CD,,,, Wild

Sounds like there are many versions of Linux

how is the net going  
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Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ wrote:
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>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
several people I know have been unable to get Ubuntu to boot.
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FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

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>  just booted my puter from a CD,, under linux and it appears to be 
> EZ and as nice as win. Does anyone know it the emulator ( I havent got
> there yet )
> for windows will run the argo EtAll programs
> 
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On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 09:06:23PM -0400, riese-k3djc@juno.com wrote:
> just booted my puter from a CD,, under linux and it appears to be 
> EZ and as nice as win. Does anyone know it the emulator ( I havent got
> there yet )
> for windows will run the argo EtAll programs

Argo works fine here with WINE (http://www.winehq.com/, should be
available on most Linux distributions via the packet-manager).
There is also a native Linux program for QRSS, 'glfer' by IN3OTD,
http://www.qsl.net/in3otd/glfer.html which works very well. Baudline
(http://www.baudline.com/) is another interesting audio spectrum
analyzer.

There is a database of ham radio software for Linux/Unix at
http://radio.linux.org.au/ which features a wide range of ham radio
related software.

73,
-- 
Fabian Kurz, DJ1YFK * Dresden, Germany * http://fkurz.net/
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Many thanks to DL1DBC, F6CWN, G3KEV, G3WCB and PA3FNY for their reports on 
my 137700 kHz transmission yesterday.

My location is Leiderdorp, a town adjacent  to the university town of 
Leyden, or Leiden as write it; between Amsterdam and The Hague.

Transmitter output is about 120 W.  Aerial is a type T; top at 18 m; two 20 
m long top wires, sloping down to about 12 and 14 m. Earth connection to 
the gas mains.
Aerial current 2.1 A. In winter and when it is raining it can be as low as 
1.7 A.

73, Dick, PA0SE
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Considering the extenuative affects to kill common mode qrm coming from ins=
ide the room, up the coax and out Ive been playing to try to find out whats=
 what. Yep an Im using isolating toroids and all that guff.
=20
Here we go
=20
For a merit test I "built" my own 4 x 3 metre flexible doorway in an area s=
imilar but without the metal frame being there. This was with one continuou=
s length of folded aluminum foil some 4 cms in width and a couple of thickn=
esses to give it some mechanical strength with all that tugging -  and some=
 14 metres in circumference.
=20
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num  made up version standalone 4dB... or less. Open circuiting the alumini=
um made up little difference
So I pondered - I knew from testing in Singapore that the metal frame in my=
 hotel that worked so well wasn't connected to "mains" earth - but what abo=
ut this one here in Shanghai? - Measured it and hey presto it is, and low Z=
 too, certainly less than 1 ohm  -  theyve added a Earth safety strap somew=
here and all the buildings doorways and sliding doors on the balconies are =
all boded together at "building earth" (notice Im not saying radio) potenti=
al and defacto we have a screened box - with my eprobe poking out of one si=
de and the screen connected to that box.
=20
So this left the question of what was happening in Singapore? - Ive found o=
ut that the sliding door frame is connected to the steel work of the buildi=
ng but for some reason there is No connection to the mains earth in the 220=
vac supply - I actually think this is a bit dodgy but heck that mains earth=
 was hot with RF and brought the noise up by 30dB, here luckily in Shanghai=
 it doesn't.
=20
Choosing the right balcony sliding door for your probe has merits - the one=
 on the North side cuts the noize out but then I get pylon hash, the one on=
 the southside is much quieter but now screened from Asia/Americas and Eu -=
 but I can still see DCF39
=20
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e if I was on the top floor its works pretty well for rx if i can get my pr=
obe above the roof line but Im on floor  3 out of 12 and by pushing the pro=
be out further and further away from the building makes a huge difference -=
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 a tail on it, you would call it a fox"), to get some form of earth into th=
e ground and extend is camouflaged up the side of the building. If it works=
 it will be interesting to see what if any affect is has on the qrm, if it =
doesn't Ill probably be in jail.
=20
Laurence, KL1X in BY, enroute  tomorrow to KL7


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DCF39 seen here from 1809z till 2143z - signals were coming and going and b=
elow audible - The signal here was seen some 24mins before sundown at Magde=
burg and lost at my dawn. Theres hope! Laurence PM01 ShanghaiMini whip on a=
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ting the aluminium made up little difference</FONT><BR><BR>
So I pondered - I knew from testing in Singapore that the metal frame in my=
 hotel that worked so well wasn't connected to "mains" earth - but what abo=
ut this one here in Shanghai? - Measured it and hey presto it is, and low Z=
 too, certainly less than 1 ohm&nbsp; - &nbsp;theyve added a Earth safety s=
trap somewhere and all the buildings doorways and sliding doors on the balc=
onies are all boded together at "building earth" (notice Im not saying radi=
o) potential and defacto we have a screened box - with my eprobe poking out=
 of one side and the screen connected to that box.<BR>
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So this left the question of what was happening in Singapore? - Ive found o=
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vac supply - I actually think this is a bit dodgy but heck that mains earth=
 was hot with RF and brought the noise up by 30dB, here luckily in Shanghai=
 it doesn't.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Choosing the right balcony sliding door for your probe has merits - the one=
 on the North side cuts the noize out but then I get pylon hash, the one on=
 the southside is much quieter but now screened from Asia/Americas and Eu -=
 but I can still see DCF39<BR>
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So no tuned loops, tooned earths, counterpoises or what ever just a screene=
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Laurence, KL1X in BY, enroute&nbsp; tomorrow to KL7<BR><BR><BR><BR>
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Victor,PA3FNY
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens F6CWN
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  GN all!

  Solid copy in JN09tt Victor!
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>> Sorry is not XGJ it is XES !!!!!!!!!
> 
> Too bad, I thought that I had achieved the ultimate in efficiency (No power to the transmitter and yet good copy)!

He has it not, I have it for him.

JA



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> Sorry is not XGJ it is XES !!!!!!!!!

Too bad, I thought that I had achieved the ultimate in efficiency (No power to the transmitter and yet good copy)!


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From: Jean-Pierre M�r� <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
> Sorry is not XGJ it is XES !!!!!!!!!
> 
> Jean-Pierre M�r� a �crit :
> >
> > Hi all on the list !
> >
> > Last night , verry good copy of WD2XGJ  !
> >
> > 73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
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Jean-Pierre,

> Sorry is not XGJ it is XES !!!!!!!!!

Yes it is! Very nice copy, thank you. Lightning activity in EU looked 
low last night.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES


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Dear J, LF group,

I assume you mean the voltage waveform across the dummy load is the one that
has the humps - which would indicate a significant odd harmonic content at
the output of the low-pass filter. Assuming the low-pass has the correct
component values, and so low attenuation at 137k and reasonably high
attenuation at harmonics of 137k, this implies an enormous harmonic content
at the input side of the filter - probably more 3rd and 5th harmonic than
there is fundamental..

So the next thing to look at is the waveform on the input side of the
filter. In a well-behaved current-switching class D stage, the waveform at
the input of the low pass filter should be a reasonable aproximation to a
sine wave, probably with some kinks and wiggles due to the "ringing"
produced by the switching operation. On the drain of each MOSFET, there
should be a waveform that looks roughly like a half-wave rectified sine
wave, i.e. near 0V during 1/2 of  the period, and the positive half of a
sine wave for the other half. In practice, the real waveform is somewhat
distorted and usually has various spikes and wiggles, especially around the
switching points. At the centre tap of the transformer, there should be a
waveform something like a full-wave rectified sine wave, with about half the
amplitude of the drain waveform. again, there will probably be various
switching transients present. The gates of the MOSFETs should have
reasonable antiphase square waves, with levels of around 0V, 10 - 15V.

If this is the case, then the problem lies with the low-pass filter, but it
seems more likely you will not see these waveforms. Let us know what you do
see...

BTW, to reduce the casualty rate among the MOSFETs, you can reduce  the DC
drain supply voltage to the PA. Because of the switching nature of the
circuit, all the voltage and current waveforms will be virtually the same
shape, just scaled down in amplitude. If you run it off less than 5V, it is
unlikely that the MOSFETs will blow up even under fault conditions.
Obviously, the gate drive voltage must stay at the original level to achieve
proper switching of the MOSFETs. This saves a lot of time and money when
experimenting with switching PAs.

You wrote:
> The only variable which I know of is the output transformer, final choke
and
> RF bypass capacitor.  Since I suspected the output transformer I have
taken
> it apart and rewound it with several windings, on two different cores, all
> suggested by different friends who are technically sound.  There are NO
> insulator disks between the core halves, and at 56 Watts of input the core
> cannot be saturating.  The latest winding matches the Jim Moritz, M0BMU
> alternative for the G0MRF amp on page 77 of LF Today. with taps on the
> output winding to set power output to lower values

Are you using the same circuit as the "M0BMU alternative"? Specifically,
there should only be a bypass capacitor on the DC supply side of the feed
choke, there should be no bypass capacitor connected to the centre tap of
the output transformer primary. If there is one, it very likely will result
in huge amounts of harmonics being present, and the odd waveform you are
getting.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU





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Thanks for this info Dave.
Of course I have these x-tals; they also been used regulary for 80m fox
hunting TX's.
Biggest problem however, is to divide by 13........
I do not have to much schematics about dividers.

I found another solution, hi
I took an 4.433MHz X-tal and tuned it down to 4406kHz......
That divided by 16 will give me the 275.4kHz I need to drive the rest of the
circuit.

Any schematics/links about how to divide by 13 are welcome.

I'll be on this afternoon 14-15ut on 136.550kHz +/- 50Hz with CW 8wpm beacon
mode.

Maybe, one of these days my signal might show up around 137.7 in QRSS
3......

Dick, pa4vhf




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excellent!

Know I have 2 screenshots, both showing the same QRG.
So, now I know that I'm on 137.708kHz

Thanks gentleman!


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> Dick,
> 
> > testing with rather low power right now
> 
> > Dick, pa4vhf
>  
> attached a screenshot. Very high QRN level at the moment. Some
> T-storms passed through this afternoon and it seems there are
> approaching some more.
> 
> 73
> Hartmut
> www.h-wolff.de
> Locator: JO52hp



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Dick,

> testing with rather low power right now

> Dick, pa4vhf
 
attached a screenshot. Very high QRN level at the moment. Some
T-storms passed through this afternoon and it seems there are
approaching some more.

73
Hartmut
www.h-wolff.de
Locator: JO52hp
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testing with rather low power right now

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Added captures of G3XDV, PA0BWL, PI4VPO/LT, SM1LCA and probably G3XIZ,
taken around 136.55 kHz this morning, to my website. Saw DL2HRE calling
PI4VPO/LT and DJ6GT calling G3KEV both with no luck.

QRSS captures uploaded: PA4VHF, PA3FNY, PA3CPM and DL3ZID.
PA4VHF drifted slightly from 137.708 to 137.710 during the
transmission.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
www.h-wolff.de
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Nice signal from the PI4VPO/LT expedition to Outddorp lighthouse. I 
gave them 559 during our QSO, but the signal was varying a lot (flash 
over?) and came up to 579 at times. They had a lot of problems with 
storms which (according to the excellent 
http://www.isleofwightweather.co.uk/live_storm_data.htm were right 
over Holland!).

Nice to hear some more CW on the band, though PA0BWL who was readable 
several months ago is now well under the S6 chatter from Rugby Loran. 
G3KEV was active as usual, and I also heard G3XIZ.

Mike, G3XDV
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  -Dick ,
  Heard your test transmission S6-S7 difficult to copy between bursts of =
 local QRN level well over S9+ . Frequency difficult to measure because =
of high QRN level=20

  73, William PA0WFO



  ---- Original Message -----=20
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  Hello all,

  I plan to run a test transmission at full power coming saturday, if =
weather permits.

  Frequency: 136.550 kHz +/-50Hz in CW, about 8 wpm

  Time: 14.00 to 15.00 utc (16-17 local time) if everything stays =
working, and have no fire, hihi

  Reports are very welcome, especially about what my real frequency is.

  This frequency is my latest update on my rig, which now contains an =
VXO and one fixed channel : 136.550kHz
  My first impression is that I'm a bit higher in frequency.....but =
difficult to determine.
  Therefore reports from others are a great value.

  Planned equipement: 500Watt into T-antenna, as described before.

  73

  Dick, PA4VHF--JO32eh



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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">-Dick ,</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">Heard your test transmission S6-S7 =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">73, William PA0WFO</DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: 136kHz test sat =
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  14-15utc</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I plan to run a test transmission at =
full power=20
  coming saturday, if weather permits.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Frequency: <FONT =
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  +/-50Hz </STRONG></FONT><FONT size=3D2>in CW, about 8 =
wpm</FONT></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Time: 14.00 to 15.00 utc (16-17 local =
time) if=20
  everything stays working, and have no fire, hihi</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Reports are very welcome, especially =
about what=20
  my real frequency is.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This frequency is my latest update on =
my rig,=20
  which now contains an VXO and one fixed channel : =
136.550kHz</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My first impression is that I'm a bit =
higher in=20
  frequency.....but difficult to determine.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Therefore reports from others are a =
great=20
  value.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Planned equipement: 500Watt into =
T-antenna, as=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick, PA4VHF--JO32eh</FONT></DIV>
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Dear Dick, LF Group,

For QRSS and DFCW I usually use DL4YHF's Spectrum Lab together with =
ON7YD's QRS - both programs can run simultaneously quite happily, with =
SpecLab monitoring the outgoing transmission during TX as well as =
receiving the incoming signals. I used  these two programs on my old =
P133 PC with Windows 95 - I found that I2PHD's Argo spectrogram software =
wouldn't run on the win95 PC, although it was fine with later operating =
systems - not sure if that was due to the computer hardware or the =
operating system. Normally, the spectrogram software runs all the time, =
with the TX/RX switching done by QRS.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Dick=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:36 AM
  Subject: LF: software for TX and RX QRSS/DFCW


  Hello all,
  =20
  after the very sucsessfull atempts to run QRSS ths weekend, I want to =
further upgrade the station
  for these modes.
  Therefore I'm looking for a programm that is able to transmit and =
decode QRSS/DFCW like the usual 'screenstuff'=20

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happily, with SpecLab monitoring the outgoing transmission during TX as =
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receiving the incoming signals. I used&nbsp; these two programs on my =
old P133=20
PC with Windows 95 - I found that I2PHD's Argo spectrogram software =
wouldn't run=20
on the win95 PC, although it was fine with later operating systems - not =
sure if=20
that was due to the computer hardware or the operating system. Normally, =
the=20
spectrogram software runs all the time, with the TX/RX switching done by =

QRS.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers, Jim Moritz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de M0BMU</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: =
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A href=3D"mailto:knaap159@zonnet.nl" =
title=3Dknaap159@zonnet.nl>Dick</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"=20
  title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, August 21, 2006 =
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  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: software for TX =
and RX=20
  QRSS/DFCW</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>after the very sucsessfull atempts to =
run QRSS=20
  ths weekend, I want to further upgrade the station</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>for these modes.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Therefore I'm looking for a programm =
that is able=20
  to transmit <EM>and</EM> decode QRSS/DFCW like the usual 'screenstuff' =

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Hi Hugh I am not sure of the vintage of the unit in the query, I just
remembered seeing something on one of the groups some time back suggesting
there were others around, thanks for you observations, I will pass those on.

Alan

----- Original Message -----
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> Hi Alan,
> I assume this is Ebay item 110018394886 or 110015625846.




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Scott,

Sorry, I have been running the single 640 amp of Steve's for a number of 
weeks now at about 130 Watts input or about 100 W output.  It has worked in 
rain, wind and sun and keeps on going.

Because of its success,  I thought that two 640s would just mean double the 
power.  I did not realize that push-pull would mean less than a factor of 2.

J.

----- Original Message ----- 
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> J.
>
> Those IRF640 won't handle 200W.  The slightest discontinuity and they'll 
> go...
>
> Scott
>
>
> J. Allen wrote:
>> Laurence, and Friends,
>>
>> VY1JA beacon is on ~137778.4 QRSS60 ~100 W tonight.
>>
>> Steve is very likely correct, and I do not expect that you will even get 
>> a peep from here, but I appreciate that you are thinking about this 
>> beacon.
>>
>> The power level should go up to somewhat over 200 Watts by Wednesday 
>> evening, but that is likely still 3dB below 1W ierp.  As soon as that amp 
>> gets going, the antenna current meter's number works it way to the top of 
>> the pile.  The meter will be needed to calculate the size of the final 
>> amp.
>>
>> Continued thanks to everyone who has been sending summer captures and/or 
>> beacon signal reports.
>>
>> J.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> 




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Victor, LF,

PA0SE "O" copy, along with static crashes. Also clearly audible with SPM-30.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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PA0SE testing,centerfreq. 137700Hz

73
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The SWR antenna current is an interesting effect there are several things
this could be ,.It could be that at the highest current you are providing
the right reactive load to move the PA towards Class E or even away from it.
This mode does not give best efficiency at the highest output current and
must be tuned to the "right" power level and not for max smoke.
You need to look at the DC power at each condition.....you may find you are
runing 50 % more DC power for a little more antenna current.

Sorry I was out today so not listening to your tests.
 73 Alan G3NYK

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When tuning the variometer I could see how the SWR changed, however with
lowest SWR I didn't have the highest antenna current.
There is a little difference between these 2.
When tuning for max antennacurrent, the swr is not at it's lowest level, but
a bit up, but below 1:1,5

I couldn'r run more power, because protection circuit of TX came in.
Had to reduce voltage to 42V in order to keep the TX running.

I have to change the output transformer I'm afraid.
It does work perfect into a 50Ohm dummyload, but when connected to the
antenna, things are different.

Also burnt my fingers on a little metalswitch.......oeffffffff..there was
strong RF present on TX case.
TX was close , within 3m of antenna.......can't advise that, hi.
Later changed that to 6m, and no more RF-on case, hi.

73

Dick, PA4VHF



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sri, it have to run on a windows 95 system.....
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Well it seems very likely that my antennacurrent meter is not working as =
it should be.

The ringcore is likely much too close to the main loading coil.
It's less than 10cm (4 inch) away from the coil.

I have to make a new external meter that can be placed away from the =
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Anyone with experience about minimum distance between loading coil and =
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and how about shielding the antennacurrent pick-up core with a metal =
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73

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well it seems very likely that my =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The ringcore is likely much too close =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's less than 10cm (4 inch) away from =
the=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have to make a new external meter =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
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Hello Dave,

when exactly is yout deadline and wat is your direct e-mail address?

73
Victor
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  Dear all

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Hi from Iowa!

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As long as this topic is up and running does anyone know of a 5MHz. only
transceiver? 73,

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Doc.

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=20

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In a message dated 02/08/2006 20:46:55 GMT Standard Time,
g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk writes:

Hi All,

Sorry for the "off topic" subject. Just curious at the moment if anyone
knows if there is any HF/VHF/UHF multi-mode transceiver has or can be =
modded
to Tx/Rx on the 70MHz/4 metre band.

73

Gary - G4WGT

I believe the FT847 after being modified for wideband operation will =
work on
70MHz.  However you will not get full power on that band.  A call to =
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Lynch will get the details.

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<br>
Sorry for the &quot;off topic&quot; subject. Just curious at the moment =
if
anyone<br>
knows if there is any HF/VHF/UHF multi-mode transceiver has or can be =
modded<br>
to Tx/Rx on the 70MHz/4 metre band.<br>
<br>
73<br>
<br>
Gary - G4WGT</span></font></p>

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on
70MHz.&nbsp; However you will not get full power on that band.&nbsp; A =
call to
Martin Lynch will get the details.</span></font></p>

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Hi Dick well if you have 140volts peak-to-peak, across the 50 ohm load, on
the scope that is 140/2.82 Vrms  =49Vrms. then the RF power is 49*49/50
watt....so about 50 watt. Thus the current meter should read  about 1 Amp
(I*I*R=50)

I cant remember the conclusion of the discussion but there was some
suggestion recently when JAllen in Yukon had similar problem sorting his
much bigger antenna. I cautioned about the possible reported odd effects
when a ferrite antenna current meter was placed close to the top of (i.e. in
the RF field of) a loading coil. I have no personal experience of this but
several early experimenters in the UK reported this effect and there was a
big search for old RF thermoammeters.  Jim did comment on his thoughts on
what the effect might be. I cant remember the full story now. It might be
worth searching back through the messages. It turned out not to be the
problem in this instance more that the antenna was tuned well below 136 and
the thermoammeter was blown so showing no current.

Ok the drive frequency is 136, but if you hang a tuned circuit on the output
(accidentally) that happens to be tuned to a harmonic it will extract
harmonic power, which is bound to be there to some extent in any power
stage. Andy G4JNK reports blowing FETs because he fed his matching tap on
his tapped loading coil with a short length of coax. On calculation, I
believe  the capacity of the coax and inductance of the tapped part of the
coil resonated at about 400khz., 3rd harmonic.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: Dick <knaap159@zonnet.nl>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 13 August 2006 09:23
Subject: LF: PA4VHF tests/problems?


> Thanks Alan for the suggestion.
>
> Well while tuning the variometer everything seemed working as it should
be.
> The SWR nice dropped to zero, while the antennacurrent raised.
> With help of a separate receiver I was able to figure out that I was
> certainly not tuning on a harmonic.
>
> So, there really might be some extra capacitance produced by the
> coilwindings etc.
>
> About the antenna current, one reason might be an insufficient earth, as I
> just connected the ground tap
> to a groundrod with 5m wire to my groundrod 'somewhere' in the garden.
>
> I built up the transmitter again, but now connected to a 50Ohm dummyload,
> instead of the coil antenna etc.
> Used exact the same coaxial cables.
> SWR/PWR meter shows same value as with the loading coil/antenna connected,
> and also DC input power
> seems the same.
> So, that gives me reason to believe it's ok.
>
> Question however is the exact amount of power, hi.
>
> I am measuring 140 Volt top-top on a oscilloscope parallel with the 50 Ohm
> dummy load. (at the dummy load)
> DC input is 13.0V/7.5A (that's 97.5W DC input)
>
> For some reason I can't figure out the right formula to calculate the
power
> into the dummy load.
> I get wrong figures al the time.
>
> I'm more a practical man, hi
>
> 73
>
> Dick, PA4VHF
>
>
> my testfrequency as always is around 136.1kHz from an X-tal
> oscillator/divider.
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Friends,

Alan's post makes me wonder if it is possible...
> As a "consolation prize" daylight paths of 1000 to 2000km,  should improve
> by about 10 dBs on Tuesday and possibly also Wednesday. Any observations 
> of
> these effects would be interesting.

For those within 1000-2000 Km of VY1JA:
The beacon is currently operating 24/7 on ~137778.4, so for Tue/Wed,
try for captures during the daylight as well.  I am curious to see if a 
summer
daylight path is possible with a little help from the solar weather.

I have copied VE7SL during the winter, in daylight hours and sent the 
capture to him.  I do not remember if solar weather was a part of that or 
not, but, if I am not mistaken,  he was using the same 100 Watt transmitter 
which I am now borrowing.

73,

J 




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Added screenshots of DJ6GT, F6BWO, G3WCB, G3XDV, G3XIZ, PA3FNY and
WD2XES (WOLF) to my website:

  http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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Looks like Laurence is not staying up tonight (morning in Singapore) as the
grabber is not running.

Gary - G4WGT


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20./08/2006   1041z

 Good morning to the PI4VLO's team and all,=20

 Very nice signs fromPI4VLO / LT (~136480) this morning.
 RST 579 in JN09tt.=20
Please,try to transmit more slowly, it is not WPX contest!

 My station for the time: SPM3, 2 meter 6 turns loop (Q=3D600), Z =
adaptator and preamplifier (6dB gain) with two E430 Siliconix, ARGO and =
a old PC!

 If to start again this operation during winter, I think that it will be =
going to be tremendous for DX! So good sign and no QRN, "hummm", one =
delight!

VY 73 and TU again!

Jeff F6CWN =20
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>20./08/2006&nbsp;&nbsp; 1041z</FONT></DIV>
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Correction ! time must be 8.00Hrs UTC till 12.00 Hrs UTC=20
sorry, William PA0WFO
----- Original Message -----=20
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Subject: International light house weekend


> To All  from PA0WFO
> 73,William
>>
>> During the  ILHW weekend on 19 and 20 august there will be  manual CW =

>> activity by members
>> of the radio club Voorne Putten e.o on 135.7 to 137.8 kc/s centre =
freq.
>> 136.540 ropex channel during 8.00 and 10.00 UTC with the call sign=20
>> PI4VPO/LT.
>> Station with 120 watts into a vertical of 50 metres with a toploading =
from
>> the lighthouse NET 074 in Ouddorp on the isle of Flakkee abt 40Klm SW =
of=20
>> Rotterdam
>> Reprts of listeners are also very welcome via e-mail; =
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<DIV><STRONG><EM><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Subject: =
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73,William<BR>&gt;&gt;<BR>&gt;&gt;=20
During the&nbsp; ILHW weekend on 19 and 20 august there will be&nbsp; =
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Station with 120 watts into a vertical of 50 metres with a toploading=20
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Well, thanks Alan and Brian for the comments sofar.....

It will be not my intention to use it as a TX antenna to make QSO's.......
I just need "something" to connect to my loading coil/variometer to check if
things are working, and
to check if the step up transformer stays cool now.....

So, I suppose I have to change the vertical download to 3 parallel wires,
and change the topload to
3 wider spaced wires.
I'll try to get them as far apart as possible, I guess that will be 50cm
spacing, thus overall width 1 meter
I gues by connecting the outher parts together will give me another 1m on
each side......

Thanks sofar

Will try to change things tomorrow if WX permits

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Thanks Victor and Hartmut for listening, and Hartmut thanks for the =
screenshots.
It's the first time ever I see my callsign on a screenshot!

Equipement was about 300Watt DC input, I don't know exact output, maybe =
200Watt or so.

Antenna is 3 parallel wires each 7.5m long, 40cm spacing
and about 7m above ground in between buildings.
Vertical part is also 3 parallel wires, same spacing.

Antenna current was over 1 ampere, got about 800mA with 50Watt, but =
couldn't measure exact value above 1Ampere.

The core heating problem is still there, but it seems less compaired to =
before.

When tuning the variometer I could see how the SWR changed, however with =
lowest SWR I didn't have the highest antenna current.
There is a little difference between these 2.
When tuning for max antennacurrent, the swr is not at it's lowest level, =
but a bit up, but below 1:1,5

I couldn'r run more power, because protection circuit of TX came in.
Had to reduce voltage to 42V in order to keep the TX running.

I have to change the output transformer I'm afraid.
It does work perfect into a 50Ohm dummyload, but when connected to the =
antenna, things are different.

Also burnt my fingers on a little metalswitch.......oeffffffff..there =
was strong RF present on TX case.
TX was close , within 3m of antenna.......can't advise that, hi.
Later changed that to 6m, and no more RF-on case, hi.

73

Dick, PA4VHF
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks Victor and Hartmut for =
listening, and=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It's the first time ever I see my =
callsign on a=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Equipement was about 300Watt DC input, =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Antenna is 3 parallel wires each 7.5m =
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spacing</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and about 7m above ground in between=20
buildings.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Vertical part is also 3 parallel wires, =
same=20
spacing.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Antenna current was over 1 ampere, got =
about 800mA=20
with 50Watt, but couldn't measure exact value above =
1Ampere.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The core heating problem is still =
there, but it=20
seems less compaired to before.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When tuning the variometer I could see =
how the SWR=20
changed, however with lowest SWR I didn't have the highest antenna=20
current.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There is a little difference between =
these=20
2.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When tuning for max antennacurrent, the =
swr is not=20
at it's lowest level, but a bit up, but below 1:1,5</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I couldn'r run more power, because =
protection=20
circuit of TX came in.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Had to reduce voltage to 42V in order =
to keep the=20
TX running.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have to change the output transformer =
I'm=20
afraid.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It does work perfect into a 50Ohm =
dummyload, but=20
when connected to the antenna, things are different.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also burnt my fingers on a little=20
metalswitch.......oeffffffff..there was strong RF present on TX=20
case.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>TX was close , within 3m of =
antenna.......can't=20
advise that, hi.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Later changed that to 6m, and no more =
RF-on case,=20
hi.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick, PA4VHF</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Dear all

It's getting near the deadline for the next Radcom LF column and as it's the
middle of the fallow summer period I could do with some news of your
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Anything LF related.

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Dear all<br><br>It's getting near the deadline for the next Radcom LF column and as it's the middle of the fallow summer period I could do with some news of your experiments, pictures etc.<br>Anything LF related.<br><br>Thanks.
<br>Dave.<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

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Hello the lists,

     Icom is apparently getting ready to release a new high performance receiver, the R-9500. Frequency coverage is 5kHz-3335MHz ! One receiver for your LF, MF,HF,VHF,UHF and microwave station! 
    Details at:
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   Warning probably NOT CHEAP!


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To All ,
The chairman  Hans van der Pennen PA3GXB of the Radio Club Voorne Putten =
and surroundings ( subdivision region 42 of the Veron ) asked me to put =
the following message on the "reflector" . Herewith I gladly oblige and =
wish them succes with their experiments .
73, William Oorschot PA0WFO=20




During the International Light House Weekend on august 19th  and 20th =
there will be manual CW activity by members of the radio club Voorne =
Putten e.o on 135.7 to 137.8 kc/s centre frequency 136.540 (Ropex =
channel) from  8.00 Hrs UTC till 12.00 Hrs UTC with the call sign =
PI4VPO/Lt. during which times the operators can be reached at mob tel no =
0031651144646 ( PA3GXB Hans van der Pennen )
The station with 120 watts into a vertical of 50 metres with a top =
loading will be active from the lighthouse "Westhoofd" NET 074 in =
Ouddorp on the isle of Flakkee,  about 40 Kilometres southwest of =
Rotterdam. Operators of the station will be PA=D8AKN and PA3GXB. All =
received QSL cards will be honoured by a special 137 kc/s QSL card. =
Reports of listeners are also very welcome by QSL card or direct  via =
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maybe my antennacurrent meter is not ok.......

I got 6mA with just an oscillator......




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roelof - that coupling was a 680nF not pf, my p's instead of n's - ! Well i=
ts going to get used again this weekend as Ive just been told to stay here =
till next Wednesday again (oh what a shame) - so Ill unpack the rx again an=
d shove up the probe on the fishing pole from here in the 12th floor of the=
 hotel. Im going to try it on VLF into the sound card and use SDR/Spec and =
see what I can hear. Wasnt so good last night lots of qrn and didnt hear/se=
e the HBG time signal nor DCF39. That MSFSK signal on 54Khz (carrier) is pr=
etty strong in the evenings so definitely East of here and maybe Canadian a=
s Scott indicated. The signal on 133Khz is a local fluffy object with wings=
 and not datatrack (thanks for the clips chaps). Ive got the hotel electric=
ian to remove the 2 x 7W flourescent tubes from my patio whilst Im here....=
.they were flashing and causing noise, and the concierge has come up with a=
nother length of 30mm diameter white pipe "with end caps" -  quite some ser=
vice from this hotel n'est pas.
=20
 I should be LF rx qrv from Wasilla Alaska from the 24th-28th August if Im =
allowed to carry electronics onto the flight.
Laurence OJ11 Singapore (still)



> From: roelof@ndb.demon.nl> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Date: Wed, 9=
 Aug 2006 18:19:41 +0200> Subject: LF: Re: 134.1Khz> > Hello Laurence,> > G=
lad to hear the design is working fine. Though there are now more than 120 =
> around, as far as I know, it is the first one in Asia!> > >> The only dif=
ference to the  original design is a slightly longer (cap) > >> aerial, add=
ed another few cms there,  and the inter-stage coupling > >> increased to 6=
80pF from 560pF, only because thats what they have and not > >> to improve =
the LF side <<> > This value is not very critical, but it should be in the =
order of > 100 nF > (0.1 =B5F) to achieve good VLF performance. 680 pF is a=
 little on the low > side, I guess.> > Adding a few cm length to the PCB an=
tenna does not make much of a > difference.> Doubling the size gives only 3=
 dB(m) more signal. It has been designed to > prevent overload of the recei=
ver, but again nothing critical.> > I am following your endeavers with grea=
t interest.> > Best regards,> > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt> >  > >=20
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<body>roelof - that coupling was a 680nF not pf, my p's instead of n's - ! =
Well its going to get used again this weekend as Ive just been told to stay=
 here till next Wednesday again (oh what a shame) - so Ill unpack the rx ag=
ain and shove up the probe on the fishing pole from here in the 12th floor =
of the hotel. Im going to try it on VLF into the sound card and use SDR/Spe=
c and see what I can hear. Wasnt so good last night lots of qrn and didnt h=
ear/see the HBG time signal nor DCF39. That MSFSK signal on 54Khz (carrier)=
 is pretty strong in the evenings so definitely East of here and maybe Cana=
dian as Scott indicated. The signal on 133Khz is a local fluffy object with=
 wings and not datatrack (thanks for the clips chaps). Ive got the hotel el=
ectrician to remove the 2 x 7W flourescent tubes from my patio whilst Im he=
re.....they were flashing and causing noise, and the concierge has come up =
with another length of 30mm diameter white pipe "with end caps" -&nbsp;&nbs=
p;quite some service from this hotel n'est pas.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
&nbsp;I should be LF rx qrv from Wasilla Alaska from the 24th-28th August i=
f Im allowed to carry electronics onto the flight.<BR>
Laurence OJ11 Singapore (still)<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>

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&gt; From: roelof@ndb.demon.nl<BR>&gt; To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>=
&gt; Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 18:19:41 +0200<BR>&gt; Subject: LF: Re: 134.1Khz=
<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Hello&nbsp;Laurence,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Glad&nbsp;to&nbsp;h=
ear&nbsp;the&nbsp;design&nbsp;is&nbsp;working&nbsp;fine.&nbsp;Though&nbsp;t=
here&nbsp;are&nbsp;now&nbsp;more&nbsp;than&nbsp;120&nbsp;<BR>&gt; around,&n=
bsp;as&nbsp;far&nbsp;as&nbsp;I&nbsp;know,&nbsp;it&nbsp;is&nbsp;the&nbsp;fir=
st&nbsp;one&nbsp;in&nbsp;Asia!<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;&nbsp;The&nbsp;only=
&nbsp;difference&nbsp;to&nbsp;the&nbsp;&nbsp;original&nbsp;design&nbsp;is&n=
bsp;a&nbsp;slightly&nbsp;longer&nbsp;(cap)&nbsp;<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;&nbsp;aeri=
al,&nbsp;added&nbsp;another&nbsp;few&nbsp;cms&nbsp;there,&nbsp;&nbsp;and&nb=
sp;the&nbsp;inter-stage&nbsp;coupling&nbsp;<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;&nbsp;increased=
&nbsp;to&nbsp;680pF&nbsp;from&nbsp;560pF,&nbsp;only&nbsp;because&nbsp;thats=
&nbsp;what&nbsp;they&nbsp;have&nbsp;and&nbsp;not&nbsp;<BR>&gt; &gt;&gt;&nbs=
p;to&nbsp;improve&nbsp;the&nbsp;LF&nbsp;side&nbsp;&lt;&lt;<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt;=
 This&nbsp;value&nbsp;is&nbsp;not&nbsp;very&nbsp;critical,&nbsp;but&nbsp;it=
&nbsp;should&nbsp;be&nbsp;in&nbsp;the&nbsp;order&nbsp;of&nbsp;&gt;&nbsp;100=
&nbsp;nF&nbsp;<BR>&gt; (0.1&nbsp;=B5F)&nbsp;to&nbsp;achieve&nbsp;good&nbsp;=
VLF&nbsp;performance.&nbsp;680&nbsp;pF&nbsp;is&nbsp;a&nbsp;little&nbsp;on&n=
bsp;the&nbsp;low&nbsp;<BR>&gt; side,&nbsp;I&nbsp;guess.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Ad=
ding&nbsp;a&nbsp;few&nbsp;cm&nbsp;length&nbsp;to&nbsp;the&nbsp;PCB&nbsp;ant=
enna&nbsp;does&nbsp;not&nbsp;make&nbsp;much&nbsp;of&nbsp;a&nbsp;<BR>&gt; di=
fference.<BR>&gt; Doubling&nbsp;the&nbsp;size&nbsp;gives&nbsp;only&nbsp;3&n=
bsp;dB(m)&nbsp;more&nbsp;signal.&nbsp;It&nbsp;has&nbsp;been&nbsp;designed&n=
bsp;to&nbsp;<BR>&gt; prevent&nbsp;overload&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;receiver,&=
nbsp;but&nbsp;again&nbsp;nothing&nbsp;critical.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; I&nbsp;am&=
nbsp;following&nbsp;your&nbsp;endeavers&nbsp;with&nbsp;great&nbsp;interest.=
<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Best&nbsp;regards,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Roelof&nbsp;Bakker,&n=
bsp;pa0rdt<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &nbsp;<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR><BR><br /><hr />Exp=
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Hello Laurence,

Glad to hear the design is working fine. Though there are now more than 120 
around, as far as I know, it is the first one in Asia!

>> The only difference to the  original design is a slightly longer (cap) 
>> aerial, added another few cms there,  and the inter-stage coupling 
>> increased to 680pF from 560pF, only because thats what they have and not 
>> to improve the LF side <<

This value is not very critical, but it should be in the order of > 100 nF 
(0.1 �F) to achieve good VLF performance. 680 pF is a little on the low 
side, I guess.

Adding a few cm length to the PCB antenna does not make much of a 
difference.
Doubling the size gives only 3 dB(m) more signal. It has been designed to 
prevent overload of the receiver, but again nothing critical.

I am following your endeavers with great interest.

Best regards,

Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt

 



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Dick,

to print whatever picture you find on the web on whatever size you like:
1. put the mouse on the picture, click right and select "copy"
2. paste the picture in WORD (or another application)
3. resize the picture to the size you need and print the document
Eventually use landscape format

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T



Quoting Dick <knaap159@zonnet.nl>:

> Found it at g3yxm''s site, but the schematic is too large to fit on   
> my screen, and to print it on din A4
> which is normal size paper here.
> Anyone has this schematic in pdf or at least in such a way that it does fit ?
>
> Thanks
>
> Dick, pa4vhf
>
> tried to make 136.5kHz by divinding 3,2768 by 12 (I need 2x136.5 =   
> 273kHz) but have problems to
> get an 7493 running as divide by 12
> ......



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Found it at g3yxm''s site, but the schematic is too large to fit on my =
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which is normal size paper here.
Anyone has this schematic in pdf or at least in such a way that it does =
fit ?

Thanks

Dick, pa4vhf

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Hi All
Does anyone know where I can get a 24 pin decca 5501 module socket. I need
one for outboard experiments with a module. Other 24 pin sockets/plugs used
with ancillary decca equipment although looking the same have different
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73 de Mal/G3KEV



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Well, changed the antenna and fired up my little teststation this =
afternoon in my backyard.

Antenna: 3 wires 7.5m long spaced 40cm each , vertical part about 6m =
long also 3 parallel wires spaced 40cm each.
Feed is about 2m from the far end.

Measured about 170pF and 60 Ohm (?) with bridge, noisesource/136kHz =
oscillator and RX.

With variometer and loading coil connected, I needed about 6,7mH to tune =
things, where I expected to find=20
around 8,0mH.

Somewhere I got around 30-40pF extra. Maybe internal capacity of the =
loading coils???

With 100Watt DC-input I got about 200mA antenna current sofar.

Remarkable: when switching TX on/off, I could hear the first step-up =
transformer clicking (it's a 58mm 3C85 core)
is this usual???

The transmitter used is my little testbox with an additional amplifier =
with IRFP360 running at around 12-14V, 6-9Amp.
Mal has heard me before with this transmitter connected to a 15m spiral =
toploaded vertical..........

73

Dick, PA4VHF (JO32eg)
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<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well, changed the antenna and fired up =
my little=20
teststation this afternoon in my backyard.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Antenna: 3 wires 7.5m long spaced 40cm =
each ,=20
vertical part about 6m long also 3 parallel wires spaced 40cm =
each.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Feed is about 2m from the far =
end.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Measured about 170pF and 60 Ohm (?) =
with bridge,=20
noisesource/136kHz oscillator and RX.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>With variometer and loading coil =
connected, I=20
needed about 6,7mH to tune things, where I expected to find =
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>around 8,0mH.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Somewhere I got around 30-40pF extra. =
Maybe=20
internal capacity of the loading coils???</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>With 100Watt DC-input I got about 200mA =
antenna=20
current sofar.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Remarkable: when switching TX on/off, I =
could hear=20
the first step-up transformer clicking (it's a 58mm 3C85 =
core)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>is this usual???</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The transmitter used is my little =
testbox with an=20
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6-9Amp.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Mal has heard me before with this =
transmitter=20
connected to a 15m spiral toploaded vertical..........</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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I'm still awake Laurence.

Mike
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----- Original Message ----- 
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Ill be watching the European window 136.320 dot30slow (Window is +-4Hz) at 
around Eu dusk until my dawn (say 2330z) - last night dcf39 tones woke me up 
they were so (relatively)loud. QRN is light at the moment here at 1630 local 
which is a good sign.

Ill also be looking for USA/Canada West coast if anyone is on at my dusk 
tonight (they all should be sleeping now!)

Good luck - Laurence, still in Singapore... OJ11 



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Its Singapore's national day (41 years on 9th Aug) and we have had natural =
fireworks here as well as man made, so I took the lightning aiming point of=
f the top of the hotel roof until the bad weather passes. The vertical is s=
ome 20ft above the highest lightning rod and I cant afford the law suit.  A=
s well as that LF is poorer than off late and Ive lost some of my longer ra=
nge ndb markers -
=20
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Laurence OJ11
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Hi Gary I can see you here on spectran running on the full band but you are
not audible in  the Spectran 300 Hz filter which is odd. I was sure you used
to audible here when you were transmitting, Ah you are just audible, but
right on the edge. You only look to be about 5dB above the noise here, but
it is not fully dark yet.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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> Hi All,
>
> Just started transmission 136.3195khz qrss60 375 watts.
>
> Reports welcome.
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>



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Thanks for those who put up signals - I had weak traces in a couple of favo=
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EFW TEST G3XIZ.
>
> Chris, I either read EFW wrong (as in 40 M EFW) or I just don't understand
> the abreviation??
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Hi Gary - 
   
  I've got a Yaesu FT847 - it covers all bands top band to 70cms but it is both deaf and low power on 4m. There is a simple mod listed on the web for increasing the output power (actually the problem is very low efficiency - only 10 watts for 17 amps dc !! - the mod is supposed to increase the efficiency). I believe the poor Rx sensistivity is due to routing the 4m sigs via the 6m filters. Some folk use a pre-amp. The Rx is also deaf at 136 kHz !! 
   
  I think I've got the website listed somewhere - I'll dig it out if you want to take the idea further. 
   
  73 Brian - G3YKB
   
  

Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk> wrote:
  Hi All,

Sorry for the "off topic" subject. Just curious at the moment if anyone
knows if there is any HF/VHF/UHF multi-mode transceiver has or can be modded
to Tx/Rx on the 70MHz/4 metre band.

73

Gary - G4WGT




 		
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 curious at the moment if anyone<BR>knows if there is any HF/VHF/UHF multi-mode transceiver has or can be modded<BR>to Tx/Rx on the 70MHz/4 metre band.<BR><BR>73<BR><BR>Gary - G4WGT<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><p>&#32;
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In a message dated 02/08/2006 20:46:55 GMT Standard Time,  
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Hi  All,

Sorry for the "off topic" subject. Just curious at the moment if  anyone
knows if there is any HF/VHF/UHF multi-mode transceiver has or can  be modded
to Tx/Rx on the 70MHz/4 metre band.

73

Gary -  G4WGT



I believe the FT847 after being modified for wideband operation will work  on 
70MHz.  However you will not get full power on that band.  A call  to Martin 
Lynch will get the details.
 
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David

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Hi All,

Sorry for the "off topic" subject. Just curious at the moment if anyone
knows if there is any HF/VHF/UHF multi-mode transceiver has or can be modded
to Tx/Rx on the 70MHz/4 metre band.

73

Gary - G4WGT



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Hello all,

after the very sucsessfull atempts to run QRSS ths weekend, I want to =
further upgrade the station
for these modes.
Therefore I'm looking for a programm that is able to transmit and decode =
QRSS/DFCW like the usual 'screenstuff'=20
(DFCW output can be a +5V or something)

So, it will make the QRSS/DFCW signal while TX-ing, and when switch to =
RX, it will show the incoming signals.
One programm on one computer to send and receive.

It has to run under windows 95.


73

Dick, pa4vhf
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>after the very sucsessfull atempts to =
run QRSS ths=20
weekend, I want to further upgrade the station</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>for these modes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Therefore I'm looking for a programm =
that is able=20
to transmit <EM>and</EM> decode QRSS/DFCW like the usual 'screenstuff'=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>(DFCW output can be a +5V or=20
something)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So, it will make the QRSS/DFCW signal =
while TX-ing,=20
and when switch to RX, it will show the incoming signals.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>One programm on one computer to send =
and=20
receive.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It has to run under windows =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
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UA4WPF was just calling on 137.77686 in QRSS10. Only "M" copy here as
antenna was beaming at 330 degrees. Traces are visible on Markus
Grabber.

73
Hartmut
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3.17 will run on the slowest of old computers which makes it very useful. 
Good software!!!

Mike
WE0H


----- Original Message ----- 
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> LFers,
>
> I'm using QRSS version 3.17 on a 486 laptop running Windows
> for Workgroups 3.11 and it's working just fine.  I've also tried it
> on my older desktop running Win 98 with good results as well.
>
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
> Solar and wind powered
> EN93dr 



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Hi Alan,

I've watched intermittently tonight & the time has not changed for a couple
of hours. You will by now have seen my previous mail ref PA fail. Ah well!

73

Gary.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alan Melia
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Hi Gary its well after dawn there now but his Argo clock looks a bit off
(even allowing for US format)
Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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> Looks like Laurence is not staying up tonight (morning in Singapore) as
the
> grabber is not running.
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>



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Many thanks, Jean-Pierre!

No QRN this morning! I'm running my usual 200W output/1,4A RF to a 20m long
"Tee" at 6m height.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM (Near Windsor, S.E. England)

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Hi all on the list !

This morning good copy G3WCB and G3XDV

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> where is VY1 (name escapes me) operating at the moment freq wise?=20

VY1JA has been at 137.7784 if memory serves correct. He is only at 100W =
but has a huge antenna which seems to be working very well. I can hear =
him on CW here at over 1000 miles, in mid-summer!


>Ill get those offsets. This is a new R75 I picked up here and was only =
0.5Hz off my previous rx's cal. I used DCF39 as a marker to cal against.

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Ok Steve - I dont want to cause a "smoky event" but it would be good to try=
 - Ill leave the rx on your freq at my dusk for a couple of hours - and Ill=
 run the grabber on the web site too -- where is VY1 (name escapes me) oper=
ating at the moment freq wise?=20
=20
Ill get those offsets. This is a new R75 I picked up here and was only 0.5H=
z off my previous rx's cal. I used DCF39 as a marker to cal against.
=20
Nursing an undeserved hangover felling this morning...
=20
Laurence


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Laurence - I may be able to spark up in the predawn hours (1000- 1300 Z) if=
 Scott is not running schedules with VY1JA and I don't have any 2m meteor s=
catter schedules in the morning. It is so darn dry here on the island, an a=
ntenna flash-over would burn the whole thing down.=20
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If I am on, I will be around 137.7552 ish, likely at QRSS 60, but I am real=
ly fearful of the dry forest at the moment...I can see the headlines now...=
"CB-er SETS ISLAND ON FIRE...when taken away he was mumbling incoherently a=
bout contacting 'Shanghai grabber', no doubt a nearby accomplice..."
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nd Ill run the grabber on the web site too -- where is VY1 (name escapes me=
) operating at the moment freq wise? <BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Ill get those offsets. This is a new R75 I picked up here and was only 0.5H=
z off my previous rx's cal. I used DCF39 as a marker to cal against.<BR>
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Nursing an undeserved hangover felling this morning...<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Laurence - I may be able to spark up in the predawn=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>If I am on, I will be around 137.7552 ish, likely a=
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Laurence - I may be able to spark up in the predawn hours (1000- 1300 Z) =
if Scott is not running schedules with VY1JA and I don't have any 2m =
meteor scatter schedules in the morning. It is so darn dry here on the =
island, an antenna flash-over would burn the whole thing down.=20

If I am on, I will be around 137.7552 ish, likely at QRSS 60, but I am =
really fearful of the dry forest at the moment...I can see the headlines =
now..."CB-er SETS ISLAND ON FIRE...when taken away he was mumbling =
incoherently about contacting 'Shanghai grabber', no doubt a nearby =
accomplice..."

Steve / VE7SL
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Hi Dick, what kind of meter?? If its a thermoameter it is probably OK if it
indicates anything and these can be tested with DC. If its a toroid current
transformer version then it may depend where it is mounted, dont put it too
close to the loading coil.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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> maybe my antennacurrent meter is not ok.......
>
> I got 6mA with just an oscillator......
>
>
>



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Hi Dick, LFers,

Coils wound on toroid cores are supposedly self shielded due
to the geometry of the core, but I think that you'd want more
than 4 inches of spacing from your loading coil.  Since there's
no difference in measuring the "antenna system" current in the
ground lead or the antenna lead, place your transformer core
over the ground lead.  That way, it's not exposed to high R.F.
voltages, as it would be if on the antenna lead, but also it will
let you place it close to the ground/earth rod, well away from
the R.F. field of the loading coil.  Locate the burden resistor
right at the toroid, then use twin shielded lead to the rest of
ammeter circuit which can be located a distance away. 

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
EN93dr





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Hi Dick I am not sure what the mechanism is. Jim seems to think it is RF
getting into the diode and meter circuitry of the secondary, but I am not
sure. I have not had enough power to experiment with this, and compare with
a thermoammeter. You might try sticking the meter at the bottom of the coil
to ground the same current should flow there. Otherwise assumings its a
magnetic effect on the ferrite.....what about 2 coil diameters away at least
??

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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Well it seems very likely that my antennacurrent meter is not working as it
should be.

The ringcore is likely much too close to the main loading coil.
It's less than 10cm (4 inch) away from the coil.

I have to make a new external meter that can be placed away from the loading
coil.

Anyone with experience about minimum distance between loading coil and
antennacurrent meter,
and how about shielding the antennacurrent pick-up core with a metal (not
grounded!) screen?

73

Dick



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Hello Laurence

I will be transmitting at 136321.0 Hz QRSS60 this night,hopefully you see
some traces,

73
Victor PA3FNY JO22NC
  -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
  Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Laurence KL1X
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  Im being turfed out of this hotel tomorrow so last night for LF
listening - conditions were very good to Eu yesterday after Eu dusk with
strong sigs from dcf39/hbg and a swarm of broadcasts, but no one seemed to
be on...

  Ill be listening again tonight 136,320 +- 4 at Eu dusk - I missed West
coast US this evening cos of work.

  Laurence in 9v1
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All - I woke up at 0630 local (yawns) confident that the rx system would be=
 hunky dory, but the PC had shut down (certain mutterings made) - I correct=
ed the issue and started looking again. DCF39 was still audible but weak. S=
unrise is in a few mins  after 07.00am, thats 2300z. As Jim says a lot bett=
er for Europe sleep wise and me too...
GAry sorry to hear about the FETS.=20
Tonight,thats Europe/Asia Monday night will be the last chance from here be=
fore I have to exit stage right. So Ill run my overnight again centered 136=
.320
Another Motto - double triple check all connections especially dodgy AC pow=
er plug adaptors..
=20
Laurence
Oh Jay won won.



> From: alan.melia@btinternet.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Date: =
Sun, 6 Aug 2006 21:49:36 +0100> Subject: LF: Re: KL1X Grabber> > Hi Gary it=
s well after dawn there now but his Argo clock looks a bit off> (even allow=
ing for US format)> Alan G3NYK> > ----- Original Message -----> From: Gary =
- G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>> To: LF (Rsgb LF Group) <rsgb_lf_group@blacks=
heep.org>> Sent: 06 August 2006 21:23> Subject: LF: KL1X Grabber> > > > Loo=
ks like Laurence is not staying up tonight (morning in Singapore) as> the> =
> grabber is not running.> >> > Gary - G4WGT> >> >=20
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GAry sorry to hear about the FETS.&nbsp;<BR>
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ntered 136.320<BR><BR>
Another Motto - double triple check all connections especially dodgy AC pow=
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Laurence<BR>
Oh Jay won won.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>

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rg<BR>&gt; Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 21:49:36 +0100<BR>&gt; Subject: LF: Re: KL=
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;dawn&nbsp;there&nbsp;now&nbsp;but&nbsp;his&nbsp;Argo&nbsp;clock&nbsp;looks=
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PA0SE is blowing my head off on 137.7 khz testing qrs. Try cw and we can
have a qso.
73 Mal/G3KEV



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Dave, and others,

Look at www.pa6z.nl , there is a complete photo collection of the =
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operation.


  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Dave Pick=20
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  Sent: Friday, August 04, 2006 11:24 AM
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  Dear all

  It's getting near the deadline for the next Radcom LF column and as =
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Hello Dave,

Would you like a pix of my new combination loading coil/variometer?
If so, what resolution would you like?  Give me your e-mail address
so I can send the pix directly to you rather than via the reflector.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
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73,William
>
> During the  ILHW weekend on 19 and 20 august there will be  manual CW 
> activity by members
> of the radio club Voorne Putten e.o on 135.7 to 137.8 kc/s centre freq.
> 136.540 ropex channel during 8.00 and 10.00 UTC with the call sign 
> PI4VPO/LT.
> Station with 120 watts into a vertical of 50 metres with a toploading from
> the lighthouse NET 074 in Ouddorp on the isle of Flakkee abt 40Klm SW of 
> Rotterdam
> Reprts of listeners are also very welcome via e-mail; pa0akn@amsat.org




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Jim/Gary - thanks for the signals - I shut down the rx at 0729 Local after =
sunrise and hidden the aerial till dusk tonight.=20
I looked thru the captures and only have one UNID short very weak line of i=
nterest but nothing tangible, if thats the word.
=20
Unfortunately we dont have any unlit paths to the East coast USA at this ti=
me of Year but the west/Yukon/Southern Alaska coast has a grayish line for =
an hour or two.=20
=20
Looks to me that the peak of dcf39 was just at Magdeburg (10,000Kms 323degT=
) dusk around 1900z or so, which is what I saw last year in Borneo -  so to=
night
Ill have the grabber centered on the American window 137.775-781 or nominat=
ed  from 11.00-1310z, =20
and from 1310z till 2300z for Europe/Asia centered as tonight on 136.320 pl=
us or minus two, dot 60 slow
=20
With thanks - Laurence=20
OJ11 Singapore


From: james.moritz@btopenworld.comTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate: Sat=
, 5 Aug 2006 23:58:16 +0100Subject: LF: RE: Sigs



Dear Laurence, LF Group,
=20
M0BMU also QRV from about 2240utc - using DFCW 60, Centered on 136.3205 wit=
h about 0.25Hz shift
=20
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Gary - G4WGT=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 10:16 PM
Subject: LF: RE: Sigs

Ok Laurence,
=20
I will try to keep on past your dawn, I have not yet left Tx running withou=
t supervision so I will keep it going til go to bed possibly about our midn=
ight.
=20
Gary.
=20
-----Original Message-----From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:=
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Laurence KL1XSent: 05 Augus=
t 2006 21:50To: Gary - G4WGTSubject: LF: SigsOk Gary - Ill leave the grabbe=
r on till I wake up -  Ill have to go to bed now for a few hours but Ill be=
 looking again tomorrow night as well  - as long as we dont have tstorms as=
 my 8m fishing rod is the highest thing on the roof of this hotel! The Argo=
 window is 136.318/322 on the grabber, dot 60 slow at the moment. CheersLau=
rence OJ11Singaporehttp://www.kl1x.com =20


From: g4wgt@tiscali.co.ukTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate: Sat, 5 Aug 2=
006 20:48:41 +0100Subject: RE: LF: RE: dcf39


OK Laurence,
=20
I am set up for 136.320KHz, qrss60, 300W, send WGT & cw id at 6wpm. Start i=
n a couple of minutes.
=20
Gud Luk.
=20
Gary
-----Original Message-----From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:=
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Laurence KL1XSent: 05 Augus=
t 2006 20:39To: Gary - G4WGTSubject: RE: LF: RE: dcf39Name your poison Gary=
 - Ive not seem a line yet here... Laurence in 9v1


From: g4wgt@tiscali.co.ukTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate: Sat, 5 Aug 2=
006 20:34:54 +0100Subject: LF: RE: dcf39


Hi Laurence,
=20
I can send an hour or so at qrss 60, what freq?=20
=20
Gary - G4WGT
=20
-----Original Message-----From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:=
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Laurence KL1XSent: 05 Augus=
t 2006 20:09To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgSubject: LF: dcf39dcf39 is cw a=
udible here in singapore at this time..(0308 local) - Laurence - anyone fro=
m europe on?

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<body><BR>Jim/Gary - thanks for the signals - I shut down the rx at 0729 Lo=
cal after sunrise and hidden the aerial till dusk tonight. <BR>
I looked thru the captures and only have one UNID short very weak line of i=
nterest but nothing tangible, if thats the word.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Unfortunately we dont have any unlit paths to the East coast USA at this ti=
me of Year but the west/Yukon/Southern Alaska coast has a grayish line for =
an hour or two. <BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Looks to me that the peak of dcf39 was just at Magdeburg (10,000Kms 323degT=
) dusk around 1900z or so, which is what I saw last year in Borneo - &nbsp;=
so tonight<BR>
Ill have the grabber centered on the American window 137.775-781 or nominat=
ed &nbsp;from 11.00-<FONT>1310z,&nbsp;</FONT>&nbsp;<BR>
and from 1310z till 2300z&nbsp;for Europe/Asia&nbsp;centered as tonight on =
136.320 plus or minus two, dot 60 slow<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
With thanks - Laurence <BR>
OJ11 Singapore<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Dear Laurence, LF Group,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>M0BMU also QRV from about 2240utc - using DFCW 60, =
Centered on 136.3205 with about 0.25Hz shift</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Cheers, Jim Moritz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>73 de M0BMU</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>=
From:</B> <A title=3Dg4wgt@tiscali.co.uk href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk=
">Gary - G4WGT</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blackshe=
ep.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 05, 2006 10:1=
6 PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: Sigs</DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_359361321-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
>Ok Laurence,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_359361321-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_359361321-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
>I will try to keep on past your dawn, I have not yet left Tx running&nbsp;=
without supervision so I will keep it&nbsp;going til go to bed possibly abo=
ut our midnight.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_359361321-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_359361321-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
>Gary.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_359361321-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV class=3DEC_OutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT face=3DTa=
homa>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A href=3D"mailto:owner-rsg=
b_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> [<A href=
=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@b=
lacksheep.org</A>]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Laurence KL1X<BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 Augu=
st 2006 21:50<BR><B>To:</B> Gary - G4WGT<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: Sigs<BR><BR=
></FONT></DIV>Ok Gary - Ill leave the grabber on till I wake up - <BR>&nbsp=
;<BR>Ill have to go to bed now for a few hours but Ill be looking again tom=
orrow night as well&nbsp; - as long as we dont have tstorms as my 8m fishin=
g rod is the highest thing on the roof of this hotel!<BR>&nbsp;<BR>The Argo=
 window is 136.318/322 on the grabber, dot 60 slow at the moment.<BR>&nbsp;=
<BR>Cheers<BR>Laurence OJ11<BR>Singapore<BR><A href=3D"http://www.kl1x.com/=
" target=3D_blank>http://www.kl1x.com</A><BR>&nbsp;<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>=
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From: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Sat,=
 5 Aug 2006 20:48:41 +0100<BR>Subject: RE: LF: RE: dcf39<BR><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_531124619-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000=
0ff>OK Laurence,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_531124619-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000=
0ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_531124619-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000=
0ff>I am set up for 136.320KHz, qrss60, 300W, send WGT &amp; cw id at 6wpm.=
 Start in a couple of minutes.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_531124619-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000=
0ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_531124619-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000=
0ff>Gud Luk.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_531124619-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000=
0ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_531124619-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000=
0ff>Gary</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl=
acksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B=
>Laurence KL1X<BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 August 2006 20:39<BR><B>To:</B> Gary - G4=
WGT<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: LF: RE: dcf39<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Name your pois=
on Gary - Ive not seem a line yet here...<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Laurence in 9v1<BR><=
BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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From: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Sat,=
 5 Aug 2006 20:34:54 +0100<BR>Subject: LF: RE: dcf39<BR><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_EC_531493219-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#=
0000ff>Hi Laurence,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_EC_531493219-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#=
0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_EC_531493219-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#=
0000ff>I can send an hour or so at qrss 60, what freq? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_EC_531493219-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#=
0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_EC_531493219-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#=
0000ff>Gary - G4WGT</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_EC_531493219-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#=
0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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e=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-rsgb_lf_group@b=
lacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of </=
B>Laurence KL1X<BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 August 2006 20:09<BR><B>To:</B> rsgb_lf_=
group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: dcf39<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>dcf39=
 is cw audible here in singapore at this time..(0308 local) - Laurence - an=
yone from europe on?<BR>
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Dear Laurence, LF Group,

M0BMU now (2220utc) QRV on 136.3205 centre frequency, DFCW60, for the =
next couple of hours

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Looks like an improvement - I have DCF39 and a similar sounding adn =
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More like  a Singapore Slinger! (or is that copyright?) Ive put the DCF39 g=
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http://www.kl1x.com
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Hi Dick & LF,

Dick, I also use DL4YHF's 'Spectrum Lab' together with ON7YD's 'QRS'
software running side by side & no problems, used on several PC's &
operating systems.

Regards es 73.

Gary - G4WGT.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of James Moritz
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To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: software for TX and RX QRSS/DFCW


Dear Dick, LF Group,

For QRSS and DFCW I usually use DL4YHF's Spectrum Lab together with ON7YD's
QRS - both programs can run simultaneously quite happily, with SpecLab
monitoring the outgoing transmission during TX as well as receiving the
incoming signals. I used  these two programs on my old P133 PC with Windows
95 - I found that I2PHD's Argo spectrogram software wouldn't run on the
win95 PC, although it was fine with later operating systems - not sure if
that was due to the computer hardware or the operating system. Normally, the
spectrogram software runs all the time, with the TX/RX switching done by
QRS.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Dick
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Sent: Monday, August 21, 2006 6:36 AM
  Subject: LF: software for TX and RX QRSS/DFCW


  Hello all,

  after the very sucsessfull atempts to run QRSS ths weekend, I want to
further upgrade the station
  for these modes.
  Therefore I'm looking for a programm that is able to transmit and decode
QRSS/DFCW like the usual 'screenstuff'

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I also use DL4YHF's 'Spectrum Lab' together with ON7YD's 'QRS' software =
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size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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size=3D2>Regards es 73.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers, Jim Moritz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de M0BMU</FONT></DIV>
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Hi all, last nights data suggests that the recent geomagnetic storm has
perked up conditions. Steve W3EEE has record levels from DCF39 in North
Carolina, and Laurence in Singapore was awakened by DCF39 at audible CW
strength. He will only be in Singapore for a few more days and has really
got the bugs out of his RX system so there is a small window for a Europe to
SE Asia one-way on 136.  My appreciation of the all-darkness path from the
UK is that the window is from 2130 to 2330z, but signals are possible for
one hour either side of these times. The window is longer from mainland
Europe. 30 or 60 sec QRSS or DFCW should be possible. Check the mail for
Laurence's grabber window in the vicinity of 136.320kHz  or mail direct.
Laurence KL1X
E-mail Address(es):
  hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com

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Dick wrote:
> Where can I find a simple, and not too large to download programm to TX 
> QRSS with a computer?
>  

This works great:

http://www.mlecmn.net/~lyle/pc-keyer/pc-keyer.htm

Dex, W4DEX/WD2XKO


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Dick,

Dick wrote:
> Where can I find a simple, and not too large to download programm to TX 
> QRSS with a computer?

Go to Dave Pick's site:
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and download Rik Strobbe's QRS program.

John Andrews, W1TAG



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Ok thanks for looking Alan.

It seems that indeed my build in antenna current meter is not reading ok. It
reads much too low......

The antenna is surrounded by houses, so defenatly not the best postition.
As a matter of fact, I just put it up to be able to run full power into the
loading coil system......

I'll switch off the beacon in 10 minutes or so. have to do some shopping, hi

73

Dick




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I increased my power around 08.30utc, and added around 1.5-1.8dB.
Thus more antenna current, estimated aroyund 1.5 Amp or so.

Antenna set up is far from ideal, but I am happy to see my signal spread =
around.

I'm very enthiousiastic and impresed by the first QRSS results, and =
thinking in how to use this
during the LX DXpedition later this year.
Also studying the use of DFCW, and might do another modification on the =
TX for this.

Thanks everyone for their help in order to get this far.

73

Dick, PA4VHF-jo32eh 
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Dear Dick, LF Group,

High frequency stability is needed for long duration QRSS beacon
transmissions with 60s dots, as you might use around 136.32kHz, so I should
keep the crystal oscillator for that.. But for relatively short contacts
with 3s/dot QRSS, stability can be greatly relaxed - drifting around a few
Hz does not usually make a big difference. For quite a long time, I used a
simple LC VFO for QRSS operation, which was usually adequate. I used to
monitor the TX frequency on the RX spectrogram display, and if it was
drifting too much I just tweaked it back again.

I'm not sure what your VXO does, but I would certainly give it a try for
QRSS3. Another way of generating a reasonably stable variable frequency
around 137k is to use one of the cheap 3.58MHz ceramic resonators in a "VXO"
circuit, and divide by 26 to get output in the 136k band. It is possible to
cover the whole LF band with one of these, and the one I tried would stay
within a few Hz without difficulty.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----
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> Ok thanks, hmmm unfortunatly I am a bit late in discovering this, as I
> already made the first part of an X-tal oscillator for 136.320kHz........
>
> Well, I guess I have to start looking in my X-tal again.
> Problem is how to make 137.7 (or better 137.7x2) from
> an X-tal.
> Of course I have nothing in my junkbox that can be divided to this
> frequency, in fact
> even for 136.320 I had to manually modifiy an X-tal by opening it up and
> painting it.
>
> Anyway, meanwhile I got QRSS running!
> Now I only need to built something that creates the right fixed
> frequency....
> My VXO will reach it, but is not acurate enough , I guess.
>
> 73
>
> Dick, PA4VHF




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2032z

Good night Dick,

I would be listening tomorrow.
For the floor lamp, shake the pylon!  :0)
Good luck with the WX!

73: Jeff F6CWN (JN09tt)


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Ok thanks, hmmm unfortunatly I am a bit late in discovering this, as I
> already made the first part of an X-tal oscillator for 136.320kHz........
>
> Well, I guess I have to start looking in my X-tal again.
> Problem is how to make 137.7 (or better 137.7x2) from
> an X-tal.
> Of course I have nothing in my junkbox that can be divided to this
> frequency, in fact
> even for 136.320 I had to manually modifiy an X-tal by opening it up and
> painting it.
>
> Anyway, meanwhile I got QRSS running!
> Now I only need to built something that creates the right fixed
> frequency....
> My VXO will reach it, but is not acurate enough , I guess.
>
> 73
>
> Dick, PA4VHF
>
> QRV tomorrow 14-15 utc in beacon mode around 136.550kHz  with 8wpm.
>
> QRSS activety to follow soon, I hope.
> Unfortunatly I can't listen, because band is blocked by heavy QRM/QRN from
a
> light dimmer somewhere in
> the neighbourhood......
>
>
>



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Ok thanks, hmmm unfortunatly I am a bit late in discovering this, as I
already made the first part of an X-tal oscillator for 136.320kHz........

Well, I guess I have to start looking in my X-tal again.
Problem is how to make 137.7 (or better 137.7x2) from
an X-tal.
Of course I have nothing in my junkbox that can be divided to this
frequency, in fact
even for 136.320 I had to manually modifiy an X-tal by opening it up and
painting it.

Anyway, meanwhile I got QRSS running!
Now I only need to built something that creates the right fixed
frequency....
My VXO will reach it, but is not acurate enough , I guess.

73

Dick, PA4VHF

QRV tomorrow 14-15 utc in beacon mode around 136.550kHz  with 8wpm.

QRSS activety to follow soon, I hope.
Unfortunatly I can't listen, because band is blocked by heavy QRM/QRN from a
light dimmer somewhere in
the neighbourhood......




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Hi Dick I think Mike means that 136.320 should not be used for QRSS in
daytime as it is in the area popular with inter Eu manual morse qsos.

Good Luck with your weekend tests.
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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> Dick,
>
> For contacts within Europe, use 137.700 +/- 30Hz at QRSS3 (3 second
> dot length) or occasionally QRSS10.
>
> The lower frequency (136.320kHz +/- 2Hz) is for DX tests, mainly to
> North America, at night. This should not be used for inter-EU traffic
> during the daytime.
>
> I suggest that you watch a few QSOs before transmitting to see the
> protocol and how abbreviations are used. Saturday and Sunday late
> mornings are popular times.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
> ==========




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Dick,

For contacts within Europe, use 137.700 +/- 30Hz at QRSS3 (3 second 
dot length) or occasionally QRSS10. 

The lower frequency (136.320kHz +/- 2Hz) is for DX tests, mainly to 
North America, at night. This should not be used for inter-EU traffic 
during the daytime.

I suggest that you watch a few QSOs before transmitting to see the 
protocol and how abbreviations are used. Saturday and Sunday late 
mornings are popular times.

Mike, G3XDV
==========

>   The European transmit window is centered on 136.320, you can watch
>   your signals in DF6NM's online grabber:
> http://members.aol.com/df6nm/Grabber.htm
> 
> 
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
> 
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: "Dick" <knaap159@zonnet.nl>
> > Thanks all for the comments about QRSS programms.
> > I have Rik's programm on my laptop now.
> > Seems to work!
> > 
> > Now have to build the interfaces
> > 
> > 
> > Next question of course is where to transmit?
> > 
> > In other words, what are the usual European QRSS frequencies and
> > speeds? Are there any other things to think off when starting QRSS
> > tests?
> > 
> > 73
> > 
> > Dick, pa4vhf
> 
> 
> 
> 





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Dick,

  The European transmit window is centered on 136.320, you can watch your signals in DF6NM's online grabber:
http://members.aol.com/df6nm/Grabber.htm


--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Dick" <knaap159@zonnet.nl>
> Thanks all for the comments about QRSS programms.
> I have Rik's programm on my laptop now.
> Seems to work!
> 
> Now have to build the interfaces
> 
> 
> Next question of course is where to transmit?
> 
> In other words, what are the usual European QRSS frequencies and speeds?
> Are there any other things to think off when starting QRSS tests?
> 
> 73
> 
> Dick, pa4vhf




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Dick,
  QRSS 30 and 60 are the most common speeds for transatlantic work, QRSS 3 is FB for working within Europe.


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 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Dick" <knaap159@zonnet.nl>
> Thanks all for the comments about QRSS programms.
> I have Rik's programm on my laptop now.
> Seems to work!
> 
> Now have to build the interfaces
> 
> 
> Next question of course is where to transmit?
> 
> In other words, what are the usual European QRSS frequencies and speeds?
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> 73
> 
> Dick, pa4vhf




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Thanks all for the comments about QRSS programms.
I have Rik's programm on my laptop now.
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Now have to build the interfaces


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Seems to work!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now have to build the =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Next question of course is where to=20
transmit?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In other words, what are the usual =
European QRSS=20
frequencies and speeds?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are there any other things to think off =
when=20
starting QRSS tests?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick, pa4vhf</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Hello Dick,LF

screenshot from your signal in Utrecht,with very strong QRN

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On 19/08/2006 at 20:14 Dave G3WCB wrote:

>Dick, Mal, LF,
>
>The 74LS161 is a schottky TTL programmable divider, that will divide by=
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>number up to 16. There's a 74HCT161 device that does exactly the same
>thing,
>if you prefer CMOS. I've attached a scrap of the circuit showing you how=
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>wire it up to divide by 12, 13 or 14.
>
>If anyone on the reflector wants a copy of the complete circuit (3579 >
>234/137 kHz), let me know and I'll send it direct (750kb Word document)
>
>73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
Yes, please.

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Dick, Mal, LF,

The 74LS161 is a schottky TTL programmable divider, that will divide by any
number up to 16. There's a 74HCT161 device that does exactly the same thing,
if you prefer CMOS. I've attached a scrap of the circuit showing you how to
wire it up to divide by 12, 13 or 14.

If anyone on the reflector wants a copy of the complete circuit (3579 >
234/137 kHz), let me know and I'll send it direct (750kb Word document)

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
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Subject: LF: Re: QRSS QRG's > 3579.25 kHz


Thanks for this info Dave.
Of course I have these x-tals; they also been used regulary for 80m fox
hunting TX's.
Biggest problem however, is to divide by 13........
I do not have to much schematics about dividers.

I found another solution, hi
I took an 4.433MHz X-tal and tuned it down to 4406kHz......
That divided by 16 will give me the 275.4kHz I need to drive the rest of the
circuit.

Any schematics/links about how to divide by 13 are welcome.

I'll be on this afternoon 14-15ut on 136.550kHz +/- 50Hz with CW 8wpm beacon
mode.

Maybe, one of these days my signal might show up around 137.7 in QRSS
3......

Dick, pa4vhf




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hmm I tried several times to send pictures, only 100-200kB
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Hi Gary,
I use an FT847 on 4m, and can confirm it is both inefficient and deaf.
But it does work, and I have had some nice contacts on it - including 
Portugal this year.

May I recommend the website
http://www.70mhz.org/

Where there is useful information about equipment for 4 meters.

Also the "fourmeters" email reflector which operates in very much the same 
way as this one (and is nearly as active) can be found on "Yahoo Groups" - 
it is is a good place to discuss topics such as this, but also to arrange 
skeds etc.

73

Hugh M0WYE




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> Hi All,
>
> Sorry for the "off topic" subject. Just curious at the moment if anyone
> knows if there is any HF/VHF/UHF multi-mode transceiver has or can be 
> modded
> to Tx/Rx on the 70MHz/4 metre band.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>
> 



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Hello Gary ,
The Yaesu FT847 that I own is suitable for use at 70Mhz , HF 1.8-30Mhz 
,50Mhz , VHF and UHF  but is no longer in production . I think You can find 
it advertised second hand in Radcom .
73, William PA0WFO


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> Hi All,
>
> Sorry for the "off topic" subject. Just curious at the moment if anyone
> knows if there is any HF/VHF/UHF multi-mode transceiver has or can be 
> modded
> to Tx/Rx on the 70MHz/4 metre band.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>
>
> 




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Laurence

CKN just came on 133.1ish with the unmodulated pattern as depicted below...

RX 800Hz = 133.10KHz



73 Scott



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Laurence <br>
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CKN just came on 133.1ish with the unmodulated pattern as depicted
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RX 800Hz = 133.10KHz<br>
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Friends,

At about 04:30, KI0LE picked up the weak signals again from QRSS60, 100 
Watt, VY1JA during a period of apparently maximum signal strength just 
before the XES signal died.  This is much like what happens on HF and MF. 
The signals apparently become strongest just before they disappear.

As long as the beaconing is going on 24/7 for the experiment here, the 
outgoing propagation is watched here by using Rapido on KI0LE and VE7TIL 
grabbers.  This is proving to be an excellent tool for experiment records 
and I would like to provide the option for others to check for their signals 
at VY1JA in return.

Has anyone found an "inexpensive", yet effective way to null out the 
transmitted LF signal while receiving on another antenna?  Links, articles, 
white papers?

J.





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Greetings all,

As Dave wrote...
> BTW I just heard them giving DK4U a 339 report :-( ....
>
>   
Confirmed, it was a bit tough to work PI4VPO this morning in regular CW 
(from DK4U) but at least it worked. Guess they have lots of local QRM at 
their lighthouse, since PI4VPO was 559 with me despite a totally detuned 
preselector in my RX.

But nice to get 3 (!) new calls into DK4U's log this morning. So thanks 
to PI4VPO, Sid DM2AYO, and Joerg DL3NRV/p if they are monitoring this 
reflector.

Have a nice weekend,

73 Wolf DL4YHF / DK4U .



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Dick, LF Group.

I copied your QSO with PI4VPO/Lt. Their report was 559 using a W&G SPM-30.
The PI4VPO signal was about 10dB above the noise.
I found that their CW was a little too fast for the 27Hz bandwidth of the
W&G.

Spectran screenshot attached showing G3KEV (136.704) and PI4VPO/Lt (136.504)

BTW I just heard them giving DK4U a 339 report :-( ....


73, Dave IO91RM

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dick Rollema
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Subject: LF: PI4VPO/Lt


Just worked PI4VPO/Lt operating from a light tower. Their signal was many
dB over S9. Not surprising with their 55 m  high aerial.
But I am disappointed at the little response to their CQ's.  They must be
heard easily over a large part of Europe.

73, Dick, PA0SE



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I will be on 136.322kHz (subject to QRM from other stations) sending 
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> Ill be watching the European window 136.320 dot30slow (Window is
> +-4Hz) at around Eu dusk until my dawn (say 2330z) - last night dcf39
> tones woke me up they were so (relatively)loud. QRN is light at the
> moment here at 1630 local which is a good sign.
> Good luck - Laurence, still in Singapore... OJ11




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around Eu dusk until my dawn (say 2330z) - last night dcf39 tones woke me u=
p they were so (relatively)loud. QRN is light at the moment here at 1630 lo=
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Thanks, Hartmut.

Static levels low here tonight, so I thought I'd put out a call. Running the
usual 200W RF output, 1,4A antenna current.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Hartmut Wolff
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Dave,

nice signal here in JO52hp. See attachment.

73
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Ok Gary - Ill leave the grabber on till I wake up -=20
=20
Ill have to go to bed now for a few hours but Ill be looking again tomorrow=
 night as well  - as long as we dont have tstorms as my 8m fishing rod is t=
he highest thing on the roof of this hotel!
=20
The Argo window is 136.318/322 on the grabber, dot 60 slow at the moment.
=20
Cheers
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=20
=20


From: g4wgt@tiscali.co.ukTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate: Sat, 5 Aug 2=
006 20:48:41 +0100Subject: RE: LF: RE: dcf39



OK Laurence,
=20
I am set up for 136.320KHz, qrss60, 300W, send WGT & cw id at 6wpm. Start i=
n a couple of minutes.
=20
Gud Luk.
=20
Gary
-----Original Message-----From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:=
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Laurence KL1XSent: 05 Augus=
t 2006 20:39To: Gary - G4WGTSubject: RE: LF: RE: dcf39Name your poison Gary=
 - Ive not seem a line yet here... Laurence in 9v1


From: g4wgt@tiscali.co.ukTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate: Sat, 5 Aug 2=
006 20:34:54 +0100Subject: LF: RE: dcf39


Hi Laurence,
=20
I can send an hour or so at qrss 60, what freq?=20
=20
Gary - G4WGT
=20
-----Original Message-----From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:=
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Laurence KL1XSent: 05 Augus=
t 2006 20:09To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgSubject: LF: dcf39dcf39 is cw a=
udible here in singapore at this time..(0308 local) - Laurence - anyone fro=
m europe on?

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<body>Ok Gary - Ill leave the grabber on till I wake up - <BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_531124619-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
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homa>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
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ence KL1X<BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 August 2006 20:39<BR><B>To:</B> Gary - G4WGT<B=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_531493219-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_531493219-05082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#000=
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>> starts around 13.30utc; also some higher powered tests planned

>> Dick
 
> My 5wpm screen shows only some longer dashes on 136.35 kHz until now.
> See attachment.

> 73
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> starts around 13.30utc; also some higher powered tests planned

> Dick
 
My 5wpm screen shows only some longer dashes on 136.35 kHz until now.
See attachment.

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starts around 13.30utc; also some higher powered tests planned

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Laurence,

The VY1JA beacon is still on 24/7 ~137778.4, QRSS30.

Tonight/Sunday AM, if Steve sees good traces of the beacon, we may try a 
short CW QSO around 3:00-ish  PDT.

If you have any traces which look like faint ghosts let me know, maybe they 
are really radio angels in disquise.  :o)

J.




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Ok, let me say Hello to the Group on this way!
rcvd you also this evening, dr Dick (see Screenshot), RX here Icom IC-735 w
500Hz CW-Filter and Datong VLF-Converter, Antenna: 2x10m Doublet with 13m
feedline.

I am 35 Years old and ham since 1989, most time active in digital Modes on
Shortwave but also interessted in VLF and 6m.

73s Holger, DF6DBF

2006/8/23, Dave G3WCB <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>:
>
> Hello Dick, LF,
>
> Screenshot of tonight's transmission attached. Quite a lot of QRN here
> tonight. Receiving you on a 1,2m square tuned loop at ground level. RX is
> an
> ICOM IC-R1000 with a tuned preamp.
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of F6CWN
> Sent: 23 August 2006 20:58
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: PA4VHF-DFCW3/5-137.7
>
>
>
> 23./08/2006   1953z
>
> Hello Dick!
> Hello Ko!
>
> Difficult to find you Dick!
> But Ko gave the solution...
> Propagation not high this evening.
> Thank you and good DX.
>
> Best 73's both.
>
> Jeff F6CWN JN09tt (~435Km)
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ko Versteeg" <nl9222@xs4all.nl>
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> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:14 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: PA4VHF-DFCW3/5-137.7
>
>
> > Dick wrote:
> > > I'm cqing now, QRV until 20 ut around 137.708?
> > > Running full power, into that same little bad antenna, hi.
> > >
> > > Antenna current well over 2 Amps at times
> > >
> > > Would like to know my exact frequency, hi.
> > > Also trying to optimize RX software
> > >
> > > CU
> > >
> > > Dick, PA4VHF in JO32EH
> >
> > Hallo Dick
> > Om 20:48 was het  "hoge toon"  137720.4 en "lage toon" 137716.8
> > zie:
> >   http://www.xs4all.nl/~nl9222/136grab.htm
> >
> > Signaal staat nog steeds op die frequentie
> > 73 Ko, NL9222
> >
> >
> > ---
> > avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
> > Virus Database (VPS): 0634-1, 08/23/2006
> > Tested on: 8/23/2006 9:14:34 PM
> > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software.
> > http://www.avast.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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Ok, let me say Hello to the Group on this way!<br>rcvd you also this evening, dr Dick (see Screenshot), RX here Icom IC-735 w 500Hz CW-Filter and Datong VLF-Converter, Antenna: 2x10m Doublet with 13m feedline.<br><br>I am 35 Years old and ham since 1989, most time active in digital Modes on Shortwave but also interessted in VLF and 6m.
<br><br>73s Holger, DF6DBF<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">2006/8/23, Dave G3WCB &lt;<a href="mailto:ganymede444@btopenworld.com">ganymede444@btopenworld.com</a>&gt;:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hello Dick, LF,<br><br>Screenshot of tonight's transmission attached. Quite a lot of QRN here<br>tonight. Receiving you on a 1,2m square tuned loop at ground level. RX is an<br>ICOM IC-R1000 with a tuned preamp.<br><br>73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>[mailto:<a href="mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
</a>]On Behalf Of F6CWN<br>Sent: 23 August 2006 20:58<br>To: <a href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a><br>Subject: Re: LF: PA4VHF-DFCW3/5-137.7<br><br><br><br>23./08/2006&nbsp;&nbsp; 1953z<br><br>
Hello Dick!<br>Hello Ko!<br><br>Difficult to find you Dick!<br>But Ko gave the solution...<br>Propagation not high this evening.<br>Thank you and good DX.<br><br>Best 73's both.<br><br>Jeff F6CWN JN09tt (~435Km)<br><br><br>
<br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: &quot;Ko Versteeg&quot; &lt;<a href="mailto:nl9222@xs4all.nl">nl9222@xs4all.nl</a>&gt;<br>To: &lt;<a href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>&gt;
<br>Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 7:14 PM<br>Subject: Re: LF: PA4VHF-DFCW3/5-137.7<br><br><br>&gt; Dick wrote:<br>&gt; &gt; I'm cqing now, QRV until 20 ut around 137.708?<br>&gt; &gt; Running full power, into that same little bad antenna, hi.
<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Antenna current well over 2 Amps at times<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; Would like to know my exact frequency, hi.<br>&gt; &gt; Also trying to optimize RX software<br>&gt; &gt;<br>&gt; &gt; CU<br>&gt; &gt;
<br>&gt; &gt; Dick, PA4VHF in JO32EH<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Hallo Dick<br>&gt; Om 20:48 was het&nbsp;&nbsp;&quot;hoge toon&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp;137720.4 en &quot;lage toon&quot; 137716.8<br>&gt; zie:<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; <a href="http://www.xs4all.nl/~nl9222/136grab.htm">
http://www.xs4all.nl/~nl9222/136grab.htm</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt; Signaal staat nog steeds op die frequentie<br>&gt; 73 Ko, NL9222<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt; ---<br>&gt; avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.<br>&gt; Virus Database (VPS): 0634-1, 08/23/2006
<br>&gt; Tested on: 8/23/2006 9:14:34 PM<br>&gt; avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2006 ALWIL Software.<br>&gt; <a href="http://www.avast.com">http://www.avast.com</a><br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br><br><br></blockquote></div>
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Hello Dick, LF,

Screenshot of tonight's transmission attached. Quite a lot of QRN here
tonight. Receiving you on a 1,2m square tuned loop at ground level. RX is an
ICOM IC-R1000 with a tuned preamp.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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23./08/2006   1953z

Hello Dick!
Hello Ko!

Difficult to find you Dick!
But Ko gave the solution...
Propagation not high this evening.
Thank you and good DX.

Best 73's both.

Jeff F6CWN JN09tt (~435Km)



----- Original Message -----
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> Dick wrote:
> > I'm cqing now, QRV until 20 ut around 137.708?
> > Running full power, into that same little bad antenna, hi.
> >
> > Antenna current well over 2 Amps at times
> >
> > Would like to know my exact frequency, hi.
> > Also trying to optimize RX software
> >
> > CU
> >
> > Dick, PA4VHF in JO32EH
>
> Hallo Dick
> Om 20:48 was het  "hoge toon"  137720.4 en "lage toon" 137716.8
> zie:
>   http://www.xs4all.nl/~nl9222/136grab.htm
>
> Signaal staat nog steeds op die frequentie
> 73 Ko, NL9222
>
>
> ---
> avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean.
> Virus Database (VPS): 0634-1, 08/23/2006
> Tested on: 8/23/2006 9:14:34 PM
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23./08/2006   1953z

Hello Dick!
Hello Ko!

Difficult to find you Dick! 
But Ko gave the solution... 
Propagation not high this evening. 
Thank you and good DX.

Best 73's both.

Jeff F6CWN JN09tt (~435Km)



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ko Versteeg" <nl9222@xs4all.nl>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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Subject: Re: LF: PA4VHF-DFCW3/5-137.7


> Dick wrote:
> > I'm cqing now, QRV until 20 ut around 137.708?
> > Running full power, into that same little bad antenna, hi.
> >  
> > Antenna current well over 2 Amps at times
> >  
> > Would like to know my exact frequency, hi.
> > Also trying to optimize RX software
> >  
> > CU
> >  
> > Dick, PA4VHF in JO32EH
> 
> Hallo Dick
> Om 20:48 was het  "hoge toon"  137720.4 en "lage toon" 137716.8
> zie:
>   http://www.xs4all.nl/~nl9222/136grab.htm
> 
> Signaal staat nog steeds op die frequentie
> 73 Ko, NL9222
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Dick wrote:
> I'm cqing now, QRV until 20 ut around 137.708?
> Running full power, into that same little bad antenna, hi.
>  
> Antenna current well over 2 Amps at times
>  
> Would like to know my exact frequency, hi.
> Also trying to optimize RX software
>  
> CU
>  
> Dick, PA4VHF in JO32EH

Hallo Dick
Om 20:48 was het  "hoge toon"  137720.4 en "lage toon" 137716.8
zie:
  http://www.xs4all.nl/~nl9222/136grab.htm

Signaal staat nog steeds op die frequentie
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I'm cqing now, QRV until 20 ut around 137.708?
Running full power, into that same little bad antenna, hi.

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Would like to know my exact frequency, hi.
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To All from PA0SE

I received the report from DL1DBC directly. But I take the freedom to put 
it on the reflector just to let you know that we now have a lady in our 
LF-group.

73, Dick, PA0SE


>Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:18:39 +0200
>From: "Sabine (DL1DBC)" <sabine@dl1dbc.net>
>Subject: QSL
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>Hi Dick,
>I am new to LF and just testing my rig.
>I don't think you are interested in qsls from JO31oj but nevertheless I want
>to tell you that I copied your signals on 137.700 ufb this afternoon.
>
>With best 73
>Sabine
>DL1DBC, JO31oj
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<font size=3>To All from PA0SE<br><br>
I received the report from DL1DBC directly. But I take the freedom to put
it on the reflector just to let you know that we now have a lady in our
LF-group.<br><br>
73, Dick, PA0SE<br><br>
<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Date: Fri, 18 Aug 2006 16:18:39
+0200<br>
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want<br>
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Sabine<br>
DL1DBC, JO31oj<br><br>
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Hi All,

Just started transmission 136.3195khz qrss60 375 watts.

Reports welcome.

Gary - G4WGT.


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Im being turfed out of this hotel tomorrow so last night for LF listening -=
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Dick,

Here's a screenshot of your signal and Victor's signal for comparison. I
think that Victor is 390km away, and you are about 480km away.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dick
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  Thanks Dave,

  I am interested to see the difference between my signal, and those from
other PA's.
  Victor is about 85km to the west from me, so closer to the UK.

  Compaired to yesterday I'm now running 3.5dB more power, never thought
that would make such a difference!

  Dick
    ----- Original Message -----
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    Subject: LF: Report:- PA4VHF-137.708


    Hi, Dick.

    "M" copy this morning. I estimate that you are about 6dB weaker than
PA3FNY. but strong enough for a QSO into "G - land"

    Keep up the good work!

    73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM


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<DIV><SPAN class=3D805443809-20082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Dave G3WCB IO91RM</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  </B>Dick<BR><B>Sent:</B> 20 August 2006 10:02<BR><B>To:</B>=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks Dave,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am interested to see the difference =
between my=20
  signal, and those from other PA's.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Victor is about 85km to the west from =
me, so=20
  closer to the UK.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Compaired to yesterday I'm now =
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  power, never thought that would make such a difference!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick</FONT></DIV>
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    <A title=3Dganymede444@btopenworld.com=20
    href=3D"mailto:ganymede444@btopenworld.com">Dave G3WCB</A> </DIV>
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    <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 20, 2006 =
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    <DIV><SPAN class=3D061204408-20082006><FONT face=3DArial =
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    <DIV><SPAN class=3D061204408-20082006><FONT face=3DArial =
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    <DIV><SPAN class=3D061204408-20082006><FONT face=3DArial =
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    size=3D2>"M" copy this morning. I estimate that you are about 6dB =
weaker than=20
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Jim,

Thank you for the feedback. I had no idea what the waveforms should look 
like before your message.  Yes, the bypass capacitor is on the supply side 
of the supply choke and there is none on the center tap side.  I will be 
bringing in the heavy duty  5 Volt supply from storage to do the testing 
with.

Later today or tomorrow, I will take some scope traces and let you know what 
they are like.

For now, I am back outside working on a retirement rental.

J. 




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Dick,

3579.25 kHz crystal (very common TV colour decoder frequency) divided by 13
then 2 (26 times) will give you 137.663 kHz, which can be pulled +/- 30 Hz
or so. This is what I use. You need an 74LS161 and a half a 74LS74 or CMOS
equivalents. Dead easy!

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM


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Ok thanks, hmmm unfortunatly I am a bit late in discovering this, as I
already made the first part of an X-tal oscillator for 136.320kHz........

Well, I guess I have to start looking in my X-tal again.
Problem is how to make 137.7 (or better 137.7x2) from
an X-tal.
Of course I have nothing in my junkbox that can be divided to this
frequency, in fact
even for 136.320 I had to manually modifiy an X-tal by opening it up and
painting it.

Anyway, meanwhile I got QRSS running!
Now I only need to built something that creates the right fixed
frequency....
My VXO will reach it, but is not acurate enough , I guess.

73

Dick, PA4VHF

QRV tomorrow 14-15 utc in beacon mode around 136.550kHz  with 8wpm.

QRSS activety to follow soon, I hope.
Unfortunatly I can't listen, because band is blocked by heavy QRM/QRN from a
light dimmer somewhere in
the neighbourhood......







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Thanks Vy,

this is my first report from OZ,

73 Victor PA3FNY
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  Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens OZ7QC ingolf
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  Hi group,

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Jim,
> >At least the optimum propagation to 9V1 seems to be at
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> to reach North America!<
>
>   
Blame continental drift. Of course, we'd hardly be DX without it!

JA



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Dear Laurence, LF Group,

M0BMU now QRV from about 2115utc on 136.3205 DFCW60 - Not sure if the KL1X
grabber is working or not, but will leave the beacon going for the next
couple of hours. At least the optimum propagation to 9V1 seems to be at
fairly civilised times at this end, unlike the "graveyard shift" when trying
to reach North America!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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I seems to have some trouble with my computers virusscanner.
I couldn't send the pictures the first time, because the scanner stopped =
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19./08/2006   2157z

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OK Laurence,

I am set up for 136.320KHz, qrss60, 300W, send WGT & cw id at 6wpm. Start in
a couple of minutes.

Gud Luk.

Gary
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Name your poison Gary - Ive not seem a line yet here...

Laurence in 9v1







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  Hi Laurence,

  I can send an hour or so at qrss 60, what freq?

  Gary - G4WGT

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John,

It was actually an MB (Mental Block).

Gary - G4WGT.

-----Original Message-----
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In my grandfather's day this was probably known as an AOG (Act of God).

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On 28/08/2006 at 17:07 Gary - G4WGT wrote:

>Hi Chris,
>
>Just dawned on me.
>
>EFW "End Fed Wire"
>
>Gary.
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: 28 August 2006 16:56
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>
>
>Hi Chris,
>
>Saw/heard some of your qrss01 test this afternoon, heres the bit I got.
>
>G3XIZ IO92AB TEST G3XIZ QRG 137.7 KHZ TEST G3XIZ PWR 150 W TX HB ANT 40 M
>EFW TEST G3XIZ.
>
>Chris, I either read EFW wrong (as in 40 M EFW) or I just don't understand
>the abreviation??
>
>73
>
>Gary - G4WGT.






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In my grandfather's day this was probably known as an AOG (Act of God).

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On 28/08/2006 at 17:07 Gary - G4WGT wrote:

>Hi Chris,
>
>Just dawned on me.
>
>EFW "End Fed Wire"
>
>Gary.
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: 28 August 2006 16:56
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>
>
>Hi Chris,
>
>Saw/heard some of your qrss01 test this afternoon, heres the bit I got.
>
>G3XIZ IO92AB TEST G3XIZ QRG 137.7 KHZ TEST G3XIZ PWR 150 W TX HB ANT 40 M
>EFW TEST G3XIZ.
>
>Chris, I either read EFW wrong (as in 40 M EFW) or I just don't understand
>the abreviation??
>
>73
>
>Gary - G4WGT.






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Hi Chris,

Just dawned on me.

EFW "End Fed Wire"

Gary.

-----Original Message-----
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Hi Chris,

Saw/heard some of your qrss01 test this afternoon, heres the bit I got.

G3XIZ IO92AB TEST G3XIZ QRG 137.7 KHZ TEST G3XIZ PWR 150 W TX HB ANT 40 M
EFW TEST G3XIZ.

Chris, I either read EFW wrong (as in 40 M EFW) or I just don't understand
the abreviation??

73

Gary - G4WGT.


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Hi Dick,lf

I will join you at 136320 Hz,QRSS 60 transmitting FNY,

73,Victor PA3FNY
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-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Dick Rollema
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To All from PA0SE

I will be transmitting QRSS 60 at 136321 Hz on Saturday August 19 
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73, Dick, PA0SE
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Will this one run under windows 95 James?
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  Dear Dick, LF Group,

  ON7YD's "QRS" is the industry standard - it can be downloaded from =
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  The current version is about 400k.

  Cheers, Jim Moritz
  73 de M0BMU

    ----- Original Message -----=20
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    Where can I find a simple, and not too large to download programm to =
TX QRSS with a computer?

    73

    Dick, PA4VHF
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The current version is about =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de M0BMU</FONT></DIV>
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Hi All,

A small error, should have stated "Marcus's grabber not Hartmut's)

73

Gary.


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Hi, Dick, (Victor, LF)

DFCW signals looked FB here. (See screenshot)
What power were you running?

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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nice to see!!

Looks as if my signal was quite ok...

Dick
----- Original Message ----- 
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> captured PA4VHF,M0BMU and G3WCB
> 
> 73
> Victor,PA3FNY
> JO22NC



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Hi all, I copied good solid call characters in DFCW from John's WD2XES last
night between 0200 and 0440z. The were no intervening fades but the although
noise of receding T-storms "snowed up" the earliest screen John's signals
were visible behind the noise. The good conditions are confirmed by Steve
W3EEE's plot of DCF39 last night which hit record levels again, well up to
the best strengths seen during the winter.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK




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Hi Ingolf and group,

Thanks for the screenshot. It shows my first attempt -operating at 
DK4U-  to call DM2AYO in Chirped Hell mode. QRN at Sid's QTH must have 
been a bit too high for Hell mode, so I called him again in QRSS 3 which 
worked fb.

One can see that the leading unmodulated dash (during which I tuned the 
antenna) comes out much more clearly than the Hell characters. Still I 
like using the Hell mode if conditions allow it, since it's faster than 
QRSS.

Regards,
  Wolf DL4YHF .


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Hi Group,

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Strong signal from DK7SU despite local T-storm.

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Thanks Mike for the comments.....
I am an experienced VHF operator (what's in the call, hi) and has been QRV
with both meteorscatter and EME,
so I know that procedures, which looks very much like the ones on LF....

I will seriously think about working 'split' etc.
Meanwhile I have to do so work in order to be albo to work DFCW as well

I will keep you all informed.

73

Dick, PA4VHF
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mike Dennison" <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com>
>
> There are no fixed periods. The essential thing is to keep QSOs as
> short as possible.
>
> A typical minimum QSO might be:
>
> CQ G3XDV K
> (note that 'de' is never used and only one
> callsign is sent)
> G3XDV PA4VHF K
> PA4VHF XDV O O K
> (just the sufffix is used after full callsigns
> have been exhanged. Reports are O for
> 100% readable, M for readable with difficulty,
> and T for unreadable)
> XDV VHF R O O TU SK
> (use TU for "thank you")
> VHF XDV R TU SK
> (and that is the end)
>
> When there is more time, you might give a locator. Some stations send
> "73", but this is very time-consuming. A question mark is used as a
> short form of "QRZ?"
>
>  For an expedition things might be even more brief as they are on HF
> (but some people argue that full calls must be exchanged to make a
> valid QSO). Perhaps an expedition with callsign LX1XX might have QSOs
> like this:
>
> CQ LX1XX
> XX G3XDV K
> G3XDV O K
> R O SK
> R SK
>
> XX G3YXM K
> G3YXM O K
> R O SK
> R SK
>
> and so on .....
>
> There have been QSOs where the DX station works two people at once
> since two QRSS stations can often be copied at once, but I would not
> recommend this.
>
> I do suggest that before you leave home you notify this group of your
> transmit frequency (say 137.730kHz) and a receive range (say 137.680-
> 137.690kHz) and try to operate split to avoid long delays when
> unsuccessful callers are still on your frequency.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Mike, G3XDV
> ==========
>




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Dick,

There are no fixed periods. The essential thing is to keep QSOs as 
short as possible. 

A typical minimum QSO might be:

CQ G3XDV K
	(note that 'de' is never used and only one
	 callsign is sent)
G3XDV PA4VHF K
PA4VHF XDV O O K
	(just the sufffix is used after full callsigns
	 have been exhanged. Reports are O for 
	 100% readable, M for readable with difficulty,
	 and T for unreadable)
XDV VHF R O O TU SK
	(use TU for "thank you")
VHF XDV R TU SK
	(and that is the end)

When there is more time, you might give a locator. Some stations send 
"73", but this is very time-consuming. A question mark is used as a 
short form of "QRZ?"

 For an expedition things might be even more brief as they are on HF 
(but some people argue that full calls must be exchanged to make a 
valid QSO). Perhaps an expedition with callsign LX1XX might have QSOs 
like this:

CQ LX1XX
XX G3XDV K
G3XDV O K
R O SK
R SK

XX G3YXM K
G3YXM O K
R O SK
R SK

and so on .....

There have been QSOs where the DX station works two people at once 
since two QRSS stations can often be copied at once, but I would not 
recommend this.

I do suggest that before you leave home you notify this group of your 
transmit frequency (say 137.730kHz) and a receive range (say 137.680-
137.690kHz) and try to operate split to avoid long delays when 
unsuccessful callers are still on your frequency.

Hope this helps.

Mike, G3XDV
==========

> I wonder if there is anything about fixed TX/RX periods when using
> QRSS/DFCW. I mean like it is used to be on moonbounce and
> meteorscatter for instance.
> 
> Like transmit 5 minutes, RX 5 minutes, all synchronized of course by
> starting at exact the whole hour or so.
> 
> Transmitting QRSS is no longer a question for me, but I do not have
> any experience in the 'real' QSO's. There is a need to find a way to
> make QSO's as efficient as possible, and also as quick as possible
> during the upcoming DX-pedition, because I will be limited in
> operation time, and want to work as many as possible, hi. DFCW could
> be a nice solution to save time.
> 
> 73
> 
> Dick





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On 20 Aug 2006 at 14:31, Dick wrote:

> I wonder if there is anything about fixed TX/RX periods when using
> QRSS/DFCW. I mean like it is used to be on moonbounce and
> meteorscatter for instance.
> 
> Like transmit 5 minutes, RX 5 minutes, all synchronized of course by
> starting at exact the whole hour or so.
> 
> Transmitting QRSS is no longer a question for me, but I do not have
> any experience in the 'real' QSO's. There is a need to find a way to
> make QSO's as efficient as possible, and also as quick as possible
> during the upcoming DX-pedition, because I will be limited in
> operation time, and want to work as many as possible, hi. DFCW could
> be a nice solution to save time.
> 
> 73
> 
> Dick





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I wonder if there is anything about fixed TX/RX periods when using =
QRSS/DFCW.
I mean like it is used to be on moonbounce and meteorscatter for =
instance.

Like transmit 5 minutes, RX 5 minutes, all synchronized of course by =
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Transmitting QRSS is no longer a question for me, but I do not have any =
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There is a need to find a way to make QSO's as efficient as possible, =
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want to work as many as possible, hi.
DFCW could be a nice solution to save time.

73

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Hi Hugh,

Thanks for the info re the FT847 & users group. I used to be a regular user
of 70MHz & in 1986 operated special event station GB4MTR for 30 days in a
year long operation to promote 4M. I still have the Microwave Modules 70MHz
transverter which is superb (along with  144, 50 & 432MHz MM transverters)
but as I am considering replacing the old FT747 I would have liked a rig to
take all the transverters out of the equation as they don't get used any
more as it is a pain to keep setting things up. I thought about a Log
Periodic antenna for VHF/UHF & a rig like the FT897D.

Thanks & 73.

Gary - G4WGT

-----Original Message-----
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Hi Gary,
I use an FT847 on 4m, and can confirm it is both inefficient and deaf.
But it does work, and I have had some nice contacts on it - including
Portugal this year.

May I recommend the website
http://www.70mhz.org/

Where there is useful information about equipment for 4 meters.

Also the "fourmeters" email reflector which operates in very much the same
way as this one (and is nearly as active) can be found on "Yahoo Groups" -
it is is a good place to discuss topics such as this, but also to arrange
skeds etc.

73

Hugh M0WYE




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> Hi All,
>
> Sorry for the "off topic" subject. Just curious at the moment if anyone
> knows if there is any HF/VHF/UHF multi-mode transceiver has or can be
> modded
> to Tx/Rx on the 70MHz/4 metre band.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>
>



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Thanks to William, David & Brian,

Three replies with the same answer. I was wondering about the Yaesu FT-879D
but could not find any mods which covered that freq.

Not looking for use at 136KHz but it would be a bonus, my JRC NRD-345 Rx is
excellent at LF.

Thanks again es 73,

Gary - G4WGT

-----Original Message-----
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Hello Gary ,
The Yaesu FT847 that I own is suitable for use at 70Mhz , HF 1.8-30Mhz
,50Mhz , VHF and UHF  but is no longer in production . I think You can find
it advertised second hand in Radcom .
73, William PA0WFO


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> Hi All,
>
> Sorry for the "off topic" subject. Just curious at the moment if anyone
> knows if there is any HF/VHF/UHF multi-mode transceiver has or can be
> modded
> to Tx/Rx on the 70MHz/4 metre band.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>
>
>




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Hi Dick,

not much difference at this distance,but it looks as if you moved 1 Hz up or
so.Maby because of the extra heat?

73
Victor PA3FNY


  -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Dick
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  Victor, and others, increased the power. Running 1.5dB more now, wonder if
that's visible.

  Dick

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D515022509-20082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D515022509-20082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>not=20
much difference at this distance,but it looks as if you moved 1 Hz up or =
so.Maby=20
because of the extra heat?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D515022509-20082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D515022509-20082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2>73</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D515022509-20082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Victor=20
PA3FNY</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D515022509-20082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D515022509-20082006></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----<BR><B>Van:</B>=20
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>Namens=20
  </B>Dick<BR><B>Verzonden:</B> zondag 20 augustus 2006 =
10:47<BR><B>Aan:</B>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Onderwerp:</B> LF: =
pa4vhf-qrss3-more=20
  power<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Victor, and others, increased the =
power. Running=20
  1.5dB more now, wonder if that's visible.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2>Dick</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Thanks again Alan.

I just finished a little call keyer, and now the test TX is transmitting on
a dummyload for duration test.

If things go right I will put a beacon on the air on 136.3kHz for some hours
later this week.
So people might keep an eye on this frequency.
It will be slow CW 6-8 WPM.

I'm just busy trying to find odd things in the set-up before taking it to
Luxembourg later this year.

Dick, PA4VHF




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 I am very happy  and surprised to be your first RPT from France Dick.
 QSL should arrive therefore very soon in your postbox!

VY 73: Jeff
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  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Well, thanks Ko, Sabine and Jeff for catching me on their screens.

  What about the frequenty, is it a bit too high? (to far away from =
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  Glad to see the first report from France, Jeff.

  73

  Dick, PA4VHF
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Hello all,

As you might know I'm planning to be QRV from LX on 136kHz in October.
I will be one of the members of a group activating all HF bands =
including WARC
from LX.
Therefore operating time on 136kHz is a bit limited, to certain time =
slots or so.

I want to be QRV at times  that most people can operate on 136kHz in =
order to
use the time I have as efficient as possible.

So, I have some questions to the LF operators across Europe and by =
answering them=20
you can help me to plan the best operating times, modes and frequencies.

1.  are you interested in working LX on 136kHz
2.  which modes can you work?  CW, QRSS and/or DFCW?
3. prefered operation times?  you can give more times, best time at =
first, etc.
4. if you have a Xtal controlled TX, please give the frequency.
    (I guess, if it's the case, mostly it might be 136.533kHz, =
ROPEX-TX....)
=20
Thanks sofar for your help.

73

Dick, PA4VHF


for more info about LX-activety look at :  www.pa6z.nl



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Hi Nigel, I am glad you finally got the move completed...what an epic !!
Thanks for the thoughts, and it does seem as though you were unlucky with
that 2008.  My query was a idle one as I do not have one and I seemed to
remember some discussion on the reflector in the past about the unit.
Enjoy Scotland
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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>
> In a message dated 14/08/2006 21:47:29 GMT Standard Time,
> alan.melia@btinternet.com writes:
>
>
> Alan  G3NYK
>
> ------------------------snip
> Hi All,
>
> I recently  purchased a Siemens D2008 Level Meter (Pegelmesser) on eB*y
> with the idea  of trying out some VLF experiments.  However, despite the
> unit showing  full health in the photos, it has arrived and now only
> displays the decimal  point in the freq display.
>
>
>
> Hi Alan
>
> I've got a 2008 and manual but both are in storage right now and access
> would be extremely difficult, to put it mildly.
> Although I've finally moved things are still a  bit disorganised and I've
not
> got my own PC set up yet.
> There may be something archived on there and I should have  it running by
the
> weekend, so will check then and come back to you.
> For what it's worth, my 2008 was an ebay purchase, bought as working some
> time ago from the US, that also didn't work when received.
> It wasn't very well packed and suffered a bit of external damage but the
> main problem was internal.
> During transit all the spot welds along the top edge of the internal  sub
> chassis for PCBs etc had come adrift and left it floating.
> It will need to be stripped and drilled before attemping any further
repair
> and that will have to wait until I have more time, so I can't even claim
any
> experience yet of using it:-(
>
> regards
>
> Nigel
> G8PZR
>



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In a message dated 14/08/2006 21:47:29 GMT Standard Time,  
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Alan  G3NYK

------------------------snip
Hi All,

I recently  purchased a Siemens D2008 Level Meter (Pegelmesser) on eB*y
with the idea  of trying out some VLF experiments.  However, despite the
unit showing  full health in the photos, it has arrived and now only
displays the decimal  point in the freq display.



Hi Alan
 
I've got a 2008 and manual but both are in storage right now and access  
would be extremely difficult, to put it mildly.
Although I've finally moved things are still a  bit disorganised and I've not 
got my own PC set up yet.
There may be something archived on there and I should have  it running by the 
weekend, so will check then and come back to you.
For what it's worth, my 2008 was an ebay purchase, bought as working some  
time ago from the US, that also didn't work when received.
It wasn't very well packed and suffered a bit of external damage but the  
main problem was internal.
During transit all the spot welds along the top edge of the internal  sub 
chassis for PCBs etc had come adrift and left it floating.
It will need to be stripped and drilled before attemping any further repair  
and that will have to wait until I have more time, so I can't even claim any  
experience yet of using it:-(
 
regards
 
Nigel
G8PZR

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Hi all, the following appeared on the VLF group, can anyone help, If you
dont
have access the the VLF (Yahoo Group) I can post a reply back.

Post message: VLF_Group@yahoogroups.com

Alan G3NYK

------------------------snip
Hi All,

I recently purchased a Siemens D2008 Level Meter (Pegelmesser) on eB*y
with the idea of trying out some VLF experiments.  However, despite the
unit showing full health in the photos, it has arrived and now only
displays the decimal point in the freq display.

Before I start any (possibly ugly and protracted) negotiations with the
vendor, is there anyone on this group with some knowledge of this unit?

Specifically:

1. Is there anything I need to do, apart from applying power, to get the
unit into an operational state?

2. Can anyone suggest what it means to have only the DP lit in the
frequency display?  Is this a fault condition?

3. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the operator / service
manual?

Thanks for your help.

Regards,
David Smith
VK3HZ
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Right now, and will leave it on until 09ut or so

About 200Watt, around 1,2-1.5 A antenna current

73

Dick, PA4VHF -JO32eh

Nice too see a big difference Viktor!
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Thanks guys for the nice evening!

I worked 4 stations:

PA3CPM o/o #6
M0BMU  M/M
PA3FNY O/O # 7
G3WCB M/M # 8=20

The QSO with G3WCB was remarkable, because it was the first time I =
couldn't hear any sign of a carrier.
I had to look at the screen to see what he was transmitting.
Exciting to be able to watch an inaudiable signal!

This was really fun.

Hmm, I'm sure I'll do this again one of these days, hi

73

Dick, PA4VHF (JO32eh)


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Antenna is surrounded by houses......
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I worked 4 stations:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>PA3CPM o/o #6</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>M0BMU&nbsp; M/M</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The QSO with G3WCB was remarkable, =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This was really fun.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hmm, I'm sure I'll do this again one of =
these days,=20
hi</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>That was also my RX antenna, not =
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Laurence,

If you prefer, VY1JA can QSY ~0.6 Hz. up from Steve's signal, say ~755.8
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Signals from EU in the small nighttime window were poorer last night. DCF39=
 was some -10dB on the previous nights best but still CW audible. Fade peri=
ods were shorter than of late at around 5 mins - LW broadcast stations were=
n't listenable but were there. QRN was moderate with the normal tropical eq=
uatorial storms noiz.
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Ill keep the rx on again tonight - both for my dusk West Coast Americas and=
 my pre dawn European window. I had  some spare time to kill yesterday afte=
rnoon so I built another PA0RDT  probe - this one has a zig zag copper foil=
 pattern aerial (using a sharp wide blade to cut in to the copper clad, but=
 the same dimension as the first and it looks like its added a couple of dB=
s but not improved the s/n. To improve noize reduction from my external pow=
er supplies (common mode) into the probe Ive increased the inductor size to=
 around 900uH feeding the power up the centre of the coax- this has cleared=
 a lot of the residual lines - that and replacing the Dell SMPSU that comes=
 with the D610 with another one I bought here giving only 12V @ 5A instead =
of the 19V - again this has eliminated the bad squiggles. VLF performance i=
s good and I start to hear sigs (qrn) over noiz at around 8.5KHz
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Thanks for the signals - till tonight
=20
Laurence, in 9V1
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s weren't listenable but were there. QRN was moderate with the normal tropi=
cal equatorial storms noiz.<BR>
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Ill keep the rx on again tonight - both for my dusk West Coast Americas and=
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opper foil pattern aerial (using a sharp wide blade to cut in to the copper=
 clad,&nbsp;but the same dimension as the first and it looks like its added=
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the coax- this has cleared a lot of the residual lines - that and replacing=
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Dave,

nice signal here in JO52hp. See attachment.

73
Hartmut
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Dear Dick, LF Group,

There are some odd problems you can get with an RF ammeter connected at a
high voltage point in the circuit.

One is stray capacitance to ground. With several kV of RF, even 1pF of stray
capacitance will allow several mA to flow. This can cause large errors,
especially if you are using the current transformer/load resistor/diode
voltmeter type RF ammeter, where the AC currents in the diode voltmeter part
are small. The solution is to enclose all the RF ammeter circuit in a metal
screen, connected to one end of the single turn primary of the current
transformer. The "ground" side of the secondary is also connected to the
screen. In this way, there are only a few volts of RF between components
inside the screen, and the stray capacitance has little effect.

The high electric field can also have funny effects on the meter movement
itself, with the resulting electrostatic forces causing the needle to be
deflected, or to stick. This is more likely to be a problem with plastic
cased meters, especially if the internal metal parts of the meter movement
are not connected to one of the meter terminals. Such a meter will also
effectively be a large hole in any screen that is added - I suppose you
could cover the meter face with wire mesh.

I suppose that if the meter is very close to the loading coil, the magnetic
field of the coil could induce significant EMF in the wiring of the meter
circuit, giving rise to the same sort of errors as stray capacitance. A
screening enclosure should also cure this problem.

If the meter is close enough to the coil to significantly change the
resonant frequency of the system, or gets significantly heated by the RF
field, that is probably too close...

You can put the ammeter in the low-voltage end of the circuit - take care to
connect it at a point where all the earth return current will flow through
the meter (this might not be easy). The meter will read high, due to the
additional current to ground via the stray capacitance of the coil. With a
big antenna, this arrangement will give little error. With a small antenna,
and a big coil, this error can be quite large. The magnetic field of the
coil is much the same at the ground end as at the "hot" end, so this might
still be a problem.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----
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> Hi Dick I am not sure what the mechanism is. Jim seems to think it is RF
> getting into the diode and meter circuitry of the secondary, but I am not
> sure. I have not had enough power to experiment with this, and compare
with
> a thermoammeter. You might try sticking the meter at the bottom of the
coil
> to ground the same current should flow there. Otherwise assumings its a
> magnetic effect on the ferrite.....what about 2 coil diameters away at
least
> ??
>




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Hi Dick,
Sorry, I meant to paste in the URL for the Basic Program.
Here it is.

http://www.m0wye.radiouk.com/QRSS.BAS
73
Hugh M0WYE


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Where can I find a simple, and not too large to download programm to TX QRSS 
with a computer?

73

Dick, PA4VHF 



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Hi Dick,
I wrote and used a QBASIC program to send QRSS morse.
QBASIC is supplied free with Windows 98SE and earlier computers.
(You will find it on the Windows disk even if it hasn't been installed)

Morse is output via pin 2 on the printer port 5V=TX on 0V=TX off.

It is certainly simple - you can edit it yourself - and at 10 kilobytes long 
it is probably smaller than any "Windows" software.
73
Hugh


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73

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Dear Dick, LF Group,

ON7YD's "QRS" is the industry standard - it can be downloaded from =
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The current version is about 400k.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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Jay - nothing decipherable at your pre dawn - bit more noize than last nigh=
t but still not bad.
=20
Laurence in OJ11- now turning the beam towards Europe.....:-))



> From: vy1ja@northwestel.net> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Date: Sun,=
 6 Aug 2006 04:39:34 +0000> Subject: LF: VY1JA Beacon> > Laurence, and Frie=
nds,> > VY1JA beacon is on ~137778.4 QRSS60 ~100 W tonight.> > Steve is ver=
y likely correct, and I do not expect that you will even get a > peep from =
here, but I appreciate that you are thinking about this beacon.> > The powe=
r level should go up to somewhat over 200 Watts by Wednesday > evening, but=
 that is likely still 3dB below 1W ierp.  As soon as that amp > gets going,=
 the antenna current meter's number works it way to the top of > the pile. =
 The meter will be needed to calculate the size of the final amp.> > Contin=
ued thanks to everyone who has been sending summer captures and/or > beacon=
 signal reports.> > J.>  > > >=20
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Those IRF640 won't handle 200W.  The slightest discontinuity and they'll 
go...

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J. Allen wrote:
> Laurence, and Friends,
>
> VY1JA beacon is on ~137778.4 QRSS60 ~100 W tonight.
>
> Steve is very likely correct, and I do not expect that you will even 
> get a peep from here, but I appreciate that you are thinking about 
> this beacon.
>
> The power level should go up to somewhat over 200 Watts by Wednesday 
> evening, but that is likely still 3dB below 1W ierp.  As soon as that 
> amp gets going, the antenna current meter's number works it way to the 
> top of the pile.  The meter will be needed to calculate the size of 
> the final amp.
>
> Continued thanks to everyone who has been sending summer captures 
> and/or beacon signal reports.
>
> J.
>
>
>
>
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Ok thanks Jay
778.4 for you and 755.2 for Steve (hopefully, bush fires foregoing). Never =
say never! Ill have to have two Argo captures open on the pc here, so part =
of the grabs will be black on the web site -  This PC doesnt deal with resi=
zing like my old IBM did so, and the registry is will locked up.
=20
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fully they will subside by dusk.
LaurenceOh Jay won won



> From: vy1ja@northwestel.net> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Date: Sun,=
 6 Aug 2006 04:39:34 +0000> Subject: LF: VY1JA Beacon> > Laurence, and Frie=
nds,> > VY1JA beacon is on ~137778.4 QRSS60 ~100 W tonight.> > Steve is ver=
y likely correct, and I do not expect that you will even get a > peep from =
here, but I appreciate that you are thinking about this beacon.> > The powe=
r level should go up to somewhat over 200 Watts by Wednesday > evening, but=
 that is likely still 3dB below 1W ierp.  As soon as that amp > gets going,=
 the antenna current meter's number works it way to the top of > the pile. =
 The meter will be needed to calculate the size of the final amp.> > Contin=
ued thanks to everyone who has been sending summer captures and/or > beacon=
 signal reports.> > J.>  > > >=20
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<body>Ok thanks Jay<BR>
778.4 for you and 755.2 for Steve (hopefully, bush fires foregoing). Never =
say never! Ill have to have two Argo captures open on the pc here, so part =
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&nbsp;<BR>
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Laurence<BR>Oh Jay won won<BR><BR><BR><BR>

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R>&gt; Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2006 04:39:34 +0000<BR>&gt; Subject: LF: VY1JA Beac=
on<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Laurence,&nbsp;and&nbsp;Friends,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; VY1JA=
&nbsp;beacon&nbsp;is&nbsp;on&nbsp;~137778.4&nbsp;QRSS60&nbsp;~100&nbsp;W&nb=
sp;tonight.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Steve&nbsp;is&nbsp;very&nbsp;likely&nbsp;corre=
ct,&nbsp;and&nbsp;I&nbsp;do&nbsp;not&nbsp;expect&nbsp;that&nbsp;you&nbsp;wi=
ll&nbsp;even&nbsp;get&nbsp;a&nbsp;<BR>&gt; peep&nbsp;from&nbsp;here,&nbsp;b=
ut&nbsp;I&nbsp;appreciate&nbsp;that&nbsp;you&nbsp;are&nbsp;thinking&nbsp;ab=
out&nbsp;this&nbsp;beacon.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; The&nbsp;power&nbsp;level&nbsp;=
should&nbsp;go&nbsp;up&nbsp;to&nbsp;somewhat&nbsp;over&nbsp;200&nbsp;Watts&=
nbsp;by&nbsp;Wednesday&nbsp;<BR>&gt; evening,&nbsp;but&nbsp;that&nbsp;is&nb=
sp;likely&nbsp;still&nbsp;3dB&nbsp;below&nbsp;1W&nbsp;ierp.&nbsp;&nbsp;As&n=
bsp;soon&nbsp;as&nbsp;that&nbsp;amp&nbsp;<BR>&gt; gets&nbsp;going,&nbsp;the=
&nbsp;antenna&nbsp;current&nbsp;meter's&nbsp;number&nbsp;works&nbsp;it&nbsp=
;way&nbsp;to&nbsp;the&nbsp;top&nbsp;of&nbsp;<BR>&gt; the&nbsp;pile.&nbsp;&n=
bsp;The&nbsp;meter&nbsp;will&nbsp;be&nbsp;needed&nbsp;to&nbsp;calculate&nbs=
p;the&nbsp;size&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;final&nbsp;amp.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Cont=
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nding&nbsp;summer&nbsp;captures&nbsp;and/or&nbsp;<BR>&gt; beacon&nbsp;signa=
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Laurence, and Friends,

VY1JA beacon is on ~137778.4 QRSS60 ~100 W tonight.

Steve is very likely correct, and I do not expect that you will even get a 
peep from here, but I appreciate that you are thinking about this beacon.

The power level should go up to somewhat over 200 Watts by Wednesday 
evening, but that is likely still 3dB below 1W ierp.  As soon as that amp 
gets going, the antenna current meter's number works it way to the top of 
the pile.  The meter will be needed to calculate the size of the final amp.

Continued thanks to everyone who has been sending summer captures and/or 
beacon signal reports.

J.
 




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Hello all,

In order to test my 136kHz TX at home, I just have installed a toploaded =
wire in the backgarden.

It measured only 135pF, which is too low, because need around 10mH to =
get that running on 136......

System is as follows:

2 wires each 7.5m long mounted parallel (spacing 30cm), at both ends =
connected together, and in
the center connected together.
>From the center an about 7m long wire goes vertical downward to the TX.

Any suggestions how to get more capacitance in the air?

I am limited in options, because the topload has an maximum length of =
7.5m, and maximum width of 1m.

Some ideas I have:

-opening up the ends
-adding a third wire in de middle, feed it there and then bending the =
rest, a kind of Z-shapped topload, center fed.

Would be happy to get 40 - 50pF extra up in the air.......


73

Dick, PA4VHF


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In order to test my 136kHz TX at home, =
I just have=20
installed a toploaded wire in the backgarden.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>It measured only 135pF, which is too =
low, because=20
need around 10mH to get that running on 136......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>System is as follows:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2 wires each 7.5m long mounted parallel =
(spacing=20
30cm), at both ends connected together, and in</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the center connected =
together.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>From the center an about 7m long wire =
goes vertical=20
downward to the TX.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any suggestions how to get more =
capacitance in the=20
air?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am limited in options, because the =
topload has an=20
maximum length of 7.5m, and maximum width of 1m.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Some ideas I have:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-opening up the ends</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-adding a third wire in de middle, feed =
it there=20
and then bending the rest, a kind of Z-shapped topload, center =
fed.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Would be happy to get 40 - 50pF extra =
up in the=20
air.......</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
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J.

by high impedance I mean that a wire is likely broken off leading to a 
gate input in the logic resulting in an active state...

Check you wiring and operation of the logic...

Scott


J. Allen wrote:
> Scott,
>
> I am sorry that it is necessary for you to repeat things to me.  My 
> memory has improved, but still has holes in it.  For some reason, I 
> keep re-solving the problems instead of remembering the correct 
> answers.  Please bear with me, and I am sure that you will be able to 
> guide me to a working amp at 1W ierp.  I just hope it happens before I 
> drive you nuts.
>
> Ok... first, I need to get your amp going  and get the new problem 
> worked out of the overcurrent circuit.  The newly wound output 
> transformer did not get a chance to transmit today. The transmitter 
> was powered up by first turning on the 5 and 12 Volt auxiliary 
> supplies, and the LED immediately came on, so the FET supply was left 
> off until I can find out what is wrong there and fix it.
>
> You mentioned that noise could be causing the overcurrent circuit to 
> act up. Should I try putting bypass capacitors to ground on the 5 and 
> 12 Volt inputs?  This may reduce possible noise from the power supply 
> lines.
>
> When the amp works into the dummy, the tap is adjusted for 100 Watts 
> output, or else I drag out a blanket with which to make smoke signals.
>
> Thanks...
>
> J.
>
>
>
>


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Scott,

I am sorry that it is necessary for you to repeat things to me.  My memory 
has improved, but still has holes in it.  For some reason, I keep re-solving 
the problems instead of remembering the correct answers.  Please bear with 
me, and I am sure that you will be able to guide me to a working amp at 1W 
ierp.  I just hope it happens before I drive you nuts.

Ok... first, I need to get your amp going  and get the new problem worked 
out of the overcurrent circuit.  The newly wound output transformer did not 
get a chance to transmit today. The transmitter was powered up by first 
turning on the 5 and 12 Volt auxiliary supplies, and the LED immediately 
came on, so the FET supply was left off until I can find out what is wrong 
there and fix it.

You mentioned that noise could be causing the overcurrent circuit to act up. 
Should I try putting bypass capacitors to ground on the 5 and 12 Volt 
inputs?  This may reduce possible noise from the power supply lines.

When the amp works into the dummy, the tap is adjusted for 100 Watts output, 
or else I drag out a blanket with which to make smoke signals.

Thanks...

J.




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----- Original Message -----
From: "DEREK ATTER" <derek.atter@blueyonder.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 4:58 PM
Subject: LF: Re: decca socket


> Mal,
>
> I am pretty sure from looking at the illustration in my RS catalogue that
> the Decca 5501 module socket is the same as RS socket part number 447-112.
>    I will however have a look if there is one still lurking around in the
> cupboard in the Crawley Clubhouse during meeting next Wednesday.
>
>   73,  Derek Atter  G3GRO

Thanks Derek.
Nice to hear from you after a long time, hpe u are keeping well and if u
come across a socket let me know. Any postage/expense involved will be
refunded.

agn tnx de Mal/Scarboro

>
> ----- Original Message -----
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>
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> > Hi All
> > Does anyone know where I can get a 24 pin decca 5501 module socket. I
need
> > one for outboard experiments with a module. Other 24 pin sockets/plugs
> > used
> > with ancillary decca equipment although looking the same have different
> > contact spacing.
> > 73 de Mal/G3KEV
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I have been complaining about sporadic strong SMPS interference for the last
couple of months. And when it came up again the other day I decided to put
up WinRad and connect an untuned 24 turn 80cm diam loop to the sound card
input and see if I could find where it was. I realised I was getting a
signal from my second PC at about 35kHz, this machine has never produced any
in-band (136kHz) interference since new, and the peak looked clean. I
switched it off to make the job easier, and ......yes the interference
disappeared.  Thinks.....why.....so I switched it on again and put my hand
round the back at the top. The PSU area was very hot and there was no "blow"
from the fan. Obviously the frequency only drifted into band when the fan
stopped, and the PSU got overheated, so I didn't relate the interference to
putting that PC on.

The PSU was dropped out and opened and sure enough the cheapo fan was locked
solid on seized "bearings". QuicK swap for a spare fan (I keep several lying
around and some old AT PSUs) Switch on ....nice quiet machine....no
groaning...and no QRM in 136. I suppose the fan has done quite well really
that PC is about 3 years old and you are expected to change them every 18
months !! only I am too mean !!

Motto..... Check at home before blaming the neighbours and check the PSU
fans. If I had not spotted that I might have got very overheated (that is
the machine that runs the T/A captures overnight) and possibly corrupted a
disc. The thing was that the signal did not drift into 136 until the P had
been on for some time and heated up.....so I didnt think it was causing a
problem.  I still have the weaker TV qrm to deal with and the one FMing its
PSU but I can hear signals again now. The noise even overpowered Rugby
Loran-C.

Interestingly the ATX PSU did not have an encapsulated filtered IEC input
connector but did have a filer on a small pcb mounted over the plug, which
probably accounts for its generally acceptable behaviour.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK



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Dick,

audio 136.3 KHz

73
Victor
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Dick
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  starts around 13.30utc; also some higher powered tests planned

  Dick

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Jim/all - thanks for the sigs - the geomag has knocked off 25dB off DCF39 w=
hen I checked at 2200z, so not surprisingly nothing seen over the path this=
 morning - Ive got the noise reduced (from the computer and PSU) by not usi=
ng the low level audio from the back of the R75, but using the extension sp=
eaker socket which introduces less noise, that and keeping the Dells extern=
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=20
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Dear Laurence, LF Group,
=20
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ouple of hours.
=20
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
=20

----- Original Message -----=20
From: Laurence KL1X=20
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
Sent: Monday, August 07, 2006 2:15 PM
Subject: LF: Time
So as not to confuse Ive changed my Argo clock to show GMT - Looking again =
tonight on 136.320  KHz +-4Hz  dot30slow Ive persuaded the laptop to reduce=
 its smpsu noise by replacing it with a different non dell 12v device and i=
ts reduced the noise a lot (ie less than s1 with the R75 preamp 1 on). Now =
can I do the same thing with these pesky tstorms peaking 10 over. Laurence =
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I really don't know what's happening Viktor.

Yes, I run more power than yesterday, but only 1-1.5dB more or so.
Antenna current is just a little bit more.
I can crank up the power by another 3-4dB........

But I want to stay in safe area, hi.

Thanks again for monitoring!

Dick
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    High power Dick??

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But I want to stay in safe area, =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks again for =
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Dear Dick,

Most QRSS activity is usually centred on 137.7kHz +/- a few 10s of Hz. =
3s/dot is the norm, and usually quite adequate for QSOs around Europe.

See=20
http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136narro.htm#Operating
for some explanation of QRSS operating procedure and an example QSO.

I would add a couple of things -

-Pick a frequency without any Loran lines

-Don't try to tune to the exact frequency of the station you are =
calling, use a slightly different frequency from the other stations =
active; you only need a few Hz seperation. That way everyone who is QRV =
can read all the other stations transmitting simultaneously.

-Use "break-in" mode - ie. set QRS up to switch back to receive between =
your transmitted characters - this saves a lot of time if you "double" =
with someone!

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Dick=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2006 9:54 PM
  Subject: LF: QRSS QRG's


  Thanks all for the comments about QRSS programms.
  I have Rik's programm on my laptop now.
  Seems to work!
  =20
  Now have to build the interfaces
  =20
  =20
  Next question of course is where to transmit?
  =20
  In other words, what are the usual European QRSS frequencies and =
speeds?
  Are there any other things to think off when starting QRSS tests?
  =20
  73
  =20
  Dick, pa4vhf

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Most QRSS activity is usually centred =
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+/- a few 10s of Hz. 3s/dot is the norm, and usually quite adequate for =
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around Europe.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>See </FONT></DIV>
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et/on7yd/136narro.htm#Operating</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>for some explanation of QRSS operating =
procedure=20
and an example QSO.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I would add a couple of things =
-</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Pick a frequency without any Loran=20
lines</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Don't try to tune to the exact =
frequency of the=20
station you are calling, use a slightly different frequency from the =
other=20
stations active; you only need a few Hz seperation. That way everyone =
who is QRV=20
can read all the other stations transmitting =
simultaneously.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>-Use "break-in" mode - ie. set QRS up =
to switch=20
back to receive between your transmitted characters - this saves a lot =
of time=20
if you "double" with someone!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers, Jim Moritz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de M0BMU</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: QRSS QRG's</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks all for the comments about =
QRSS=20
  programms.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have Rik's programm on my laptop=20
  now.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Seems to work!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now have to build the =
interfaces</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Next question of course is where to=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In other words, what are the usual =
European QRSS=20
  frequencies and speeds?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Are there any other things to think =
off when=20
  starting QRSS tests?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick,=20
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Dear Dick, Jim, LF group,

Version 3.17 is Win3 upward compatible but will not support the parallel 
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>I am pretty certain version 3.17 does, if version 4.02 does not - perhaps 
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I am using V4.02 on Win95 and it works fine.
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In a message dated 8/15/2006 4:21:40 PM Central Daylight Time, 
james.moritz@btopenworld.com writes:
I am pretty certain version 3.17 does, if version 4.02 does not

They both list Windows 95 support.

Both are still available at http://lwca.org/library/software/index.htm and we 
have versions available as far back as v1.16 if anyone needs them:  ( 
http://lwca.org/library/software/qrs.htm )

John

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Dear Dick, LF Group,

I am pretty certain version 3.17 does, if version 4.02 does not - =
perhaps Rik could comment...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


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  Will this one run under windows 95 James?

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Hello all,

I plan to run a test transmission at full power coming saturday, if =
weather permits.

Frequency: 136.550 kHz +/-50Hz in CW, about 8 wpm

Time: 14.00 to 15.00 utc (16-17 local time) if everything stays working, =
and have no fire, hihi

Reports are very welcome, especially about what my real frequency is.

This frequency is my latest update on my rig, which now contains an VXO =
and one fixed channel : 136.550kHz
My first impression is that I'm a bit higher in frequency.....but =
difficult to determine.
Therefore reports from others are a great value.

Planned equipement: 500Watt into T-antenna, as described before.

73

Dick, PA4VHF--JO32eh



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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I plan to run a test transmission at =
full power=20
coming saturday, if weather permits.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Frequency: <FONT =
size=3D3><STRONG>136.550 kHz +/-50Hz=20
</STRONG></FONT><FONT size=3D2>in CW, about 8 wpm</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Time: 14.00 to 15.00 utc (16-17 local =
time) if=20
everything stays working, and have no fire, hihi</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Reports are very welcome, especially =
about what my=20
real frequency is.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This frequency is my latest update on =
my rig, which=20
now contains an VXO and one fixed channel : 136.550kHz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My first impression is that I'm a bit =
higher in=20
frequency.....but difficult to determine.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Therefore reports from others are a =
great=20
value.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Planned equipement: 500Watt into =
T-antenna, as=20
described before.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick, PA4VHF--JO32eh</FONT></DIV>
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Well, thanks all for reporting my signals on 137.7

I switched off now at 10 ut after 3 hours non stop operation. (longest =
sofar)
Nothing went bang, James!
Everything works fine; no extreme heat or whatsoever.

I was running around 300Watt at times.

Looking forward to receive more reports; also want to know at what time =
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in order to concentrate activity around these times.


73

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I switched off now at 10 ut after 3 =
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James!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I was running around 300Watt at =
times.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Looking forward to receive more =
reports; also want=20
to know at what time most people are listening/watching,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>in order to concentrate activity around =
these=20
times.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Friends,

It was nice to have a full night of reception of the VY1JA beacon on the TIL 
Grabber when no LORAN were received and interesting to see that only for a 
few minutes, the propagation leaking into KI0LE again without the LORAN 
lines.  Propagation on this band is a challenge.

These tests are still at the 100 W output level.

The output transformer has been rewound for, and problems removed 
from,Scott's loaner transmitter, and hopefully the power level will go up on 
within the next few days.

JA(Cdn)  :o) 




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The 198kHz transmitter at Droitwich has four wires forming the vertical,
with a four wire top hat.  When I first put up my LF antenna I thought "they
must know what they're doing" and copied the multiple vertical wire concept
and chose with 3 up and top wires, although with a spacing of only 300m.
At 7m high, and a top hat of 14 m length (x 300mm) with a plethora of ground
rods in heavy clay, I manage typically 100 ohms antenna resistance at 137kHz
- although it increases by 20 - 50% in wet weather due to extra absorbtion
of the reactive E filed in foliage and wet roof tiles.  Originally I only
had 150mm spacing, and going to 300mm did make a noticeacbe improvement, but
I was never serious enough about getting loadsa mega-erp to try making it
any larger.

The vertical element tapers from a single point about 2m above the groung to
the full width at the top.  I could try bunching the vertical conductors
together to test, but thst would then involve going on the air (!) and
actually getting some measured signal reports.

Andy  G4JNT
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Hi Rik & LF,

I remember seeing a multi top wire LF antenna with multi wire vertical
conductors somewhere & I found it in the 'Low Frequency Experimenters
Handbook' in an article written by Peter G3LDO. He shows a 4 wire top with a
4 wire vertical feed & describes it as a 'Traditional T LF Antenna'. What I
am curious about is that if it is detremental to have this multi wire
vertical arrangement as you stated, why has Peter shown it in his article? I
have an Admiralty book 'Handbook of Wireless Telegraphy' (1938) which shows
the same type of T antenna with a multi wire vertical section.  I have also
seen articles elsewhere (maybe on internet) regarding multi wire verticals &
tops were the wires are in a  circular arrangement/format & are presented as
'Cage Antennas & Cage Dipoles' although I believe to increase bandwidth.

The reason I am interested is that I have thought about a similar
arrangement because of my small garden area like Dick.

Comments invited please.

Gary - G4WGT.



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Quoting captbrian <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk>:

> Make the vertical of three parallel conductors , each to the centre of
each
> top wire

Using multiple vertical wires will increase the antenna capacitance but also
decrease the radiation resistance. I guess that a thing you don't want.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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Hi J.B.

It will be interesting to see others comment on what you wrote,

'multiple vertical wires are fine provided that they converge to a common
point as they come
down to the feedpoint'

That is what the 2 examples show which I mentioned earlier.

Thanks for your reply.

73

Gary - G4WGT.


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Hi Mike & LF,

You wrote,
'but provide additional capacitance to ground at a low height, thus reducing
the effective height'

Thanks Mike, I now understand that the reduction of effective height is the
reason.

So single wire vertical feed & multi wire top is what I should aim for.

73

Gary - G4WGT.


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You have the answer at the end of your e-mail. Multiple vertical 
wires are good for broadbanding, but provide additional capacitance 
to ground at a low height, thus reducing the effective height. 
Broadbanding may have been important in an efficient commercial 
station, but is unnecessary when ground resistances of 100+ohms make 
the antenna broad enough.

Mike, G3XDV
==========.

> I remember seeing a multi top wire LF antenna with multi wire vertical
> conductors somewhere & I found it in the 'Low Frequency Experimenters
> Handbook' in an article written by Peter G3LDO. He shows a 4 wire top
> with a 4 wire vertical feed & describes it as a 'Traditional T LF
> Antenna'. What I am curious about is that if it is detremental to have
> this multi wire vertical arrangement as you stated, why has Peter
> shown it in his article? I have an Admiralty book 'Handbook of
> Wireless Telegraphy' (1938) which shows the same type of T antenna
> with a multi wire vertical section.  I have also seen articles
> elsewhere (maybe on internet) regarding multi wire verticals & tops
> were the wires are in a  circular arrangement/format & are presented
> as 'Cage Antennas & Cage Dipoles' although I believe to increase
> bandwidth.
> 
> The reason I am interested is that I have thought about a similar
> arrangement because of my small garden area like Dick.
> 
> Comments invited please.
> 
> Gary - G4WGT.
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> Quoting captbrian <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk>:
> 
> > Make the vertical of three parallel conductors , each to the centre
> > of
> each
> > top wire
> 
> Using multiple vertical wires will increase the antenna capacitance
> but also decrease the radiation resistance. I guess that a thing you
> don't want.
> 
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
> 
> 
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Hi Rik & LF,

I remember seeing a multi top wire LF antenna with multi wire vertical
conductors somewhere & I found it in the 'Low Frequency Experimenters
Handbook' in an article written by Peter G3LDO. He shows a 4 wire top with a
4 wire vertical feed & describes it as a 'Traditional T LF Antenna'. What I
am curious about is that if it is detremental to have this multi wire
vertical arrangement as you stated, why has Peter shown it in his article? I
have an Admiralty book 'Handbook of Wireless Telegraphy' (1938) which shows
the same type of T antenna with a multi wire vertical section.  I have also
seen articles elsewhere (maybe on internet) regarding multi wire verticals &
tops were the wires are in a  circular arrangement/format & are presented as
'Cage Antennas & Cage Dipoles' although I believe to increase bandwidth.

The reason I am interested is that I have thought about a similar
arrangement because of my small garden area like Dick.

Comments invited please.

Gary - G4WGT.



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Quoting captbrian <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk>:

> Make the vertical of three parallel conductors , each to the centre of
each
> top wire

Using multiple vertical wires will increase the antenna capacitance
but also decrease the radiation resistance. I guess that a thing you
don't want.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T


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Good night to all,

The guru watches!
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> Quoting captbrian <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk>:
>
> > Make the vertical of three parallel conductors , each to the centre of
each
> > top wire
>
> Using multiple vertical wires will increase the antenna capacitance
> but also decrease the radiation resistance. I guess that a thing you
> don't want.
>
> 73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T
>
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Quoting captbrian <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk>:

> Make the vertical of three parallel conductors , each to the centre of each
> top wire

Using multiple vertical wires will increase the antenna capacitance  
but also decrease the radiation resistance. I guess that a thing you  
don't want.

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By all means put a wire in the middle for extra pf. but the z shape will
make no difference I think.

Make the vertical of three parallel conductors , each to the centre of each
top wire

Bryan g3gvb


----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: antenna: how to get max. capacity


Hello all,

In order to test my 136kHz TX at home, I just have installed a toploaded
wire in the backgarden.

It measured only 135pF, which is too low, because need around 10mH to get
that running on 136......

System is as follows:

2 wires each 7.5m long mounted parallel (spacing 30cm), at both ends
connected together, and in
the center connected together.
>From the center an about 7m long wire goes vertical downward to the TX.

Any suggestions how to get more capacitance in the air?

I am limited in options, because the topload has an maximum length of 7.5m,
and maximum width of 1m.

Some ideas I have:

-opening up the ends
-adding a third wire in de middle, feed it there and then bending the rest,
a kind of Z-shapped topload, center fed.

Would be happy to get 40 - 50pF extra up in the air.......


73

Dick, PA4VHF




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Hi Dick, Cynical responses to your kind of query in the past have been in
vein of "Buy another house with more space"

Seriously you are up against some basic laws. Empirical test suggest that
the minimum spacing to get some reasonable increase from the second top wire
is 70cm  Three wires with a max spread of just over a meter might give some
more. You can use a ball-park figure ( as out TA friends would say) of 6pF
per metre so 2 runs of 7.5 metre equates to about 90pF the other 45pF you
are seeing is probably the vertical to ground. To get another 50pF you will
need to get out another  9 or 10 metres. It can go anywhere connected at any
point but it should be over open ground and not over trees or roofs. It can
even be in a meander observing the 70cm spacing.  The wire only needs to be
thick enough to support its span. It doesnt make a lot of difference where
you feed it....centre or end, the top capacity is the same. In fact you may
get a slightly higher Rrad by end feeding it as an inverted "L " To get the
maximum effective height you need a run of top wire from the feed point of
about 50% longer than the real height of the top. I dont remember seeing a
calculation for a meander top wire.

The increase in capacity will reduce your tuning inductor, but unfortunately
with so low a total capacity you will probably have a ground loss in excess
of 200ohms regardles of what you do with ground rods. This means the ERP
from your site will be quite small. In this situation you may radiate more
with a loop despite its inefficiency at that limited size, it does not
suffer from loss from surrounding structures or trees. Dave Sargent was
unable to run a inverted L and used a loop with low power (~ 50 watts)

Cheers de Alan G3NYK




----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: antenna: how to get max. capacity


Hello all,

In order to test my 136kHz TX at home, I just have installed a toploaded
wire in the backgarden.

It measured only 135pF, which is too low, because need around 10mH to get
that running on 136......

System is as follows:

2 wires each 7.5m long mounted parallel (spacing 30cm), at both ends
connected together, and in
the center connected together.
>From the center an about 7m long wire goes vertical downward to the TX.

Any suggestions how to get more capacitance in the air?

I am limited in options, because the topload has an maximum length of 7.5m,
and maximum width of 1m.

Some ideas I have:

-opening up the ends
-adding a third wire in de middle, feed it there and then bending the rest,
a kind of Z-shapped topload, center fed.

Would be happy to get 40 - 50pF extra up in the air.......


73

Dick, PA4VHF





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HI Dick,
here my answer:
  1.  are you interested in working LX on 136kHz  YES !
  2.  which modes can you work?  CW, QRSS and/or DFCW?  CW, QRSS
  3. prefered operation times?  you can give more times, best time at first,
etc.  Saturdays afternoon, all week early evening until 18:00h
  4. if you have a Xtal controlled TX, please give the frequency.  all is
ok!
      (I guess, if it's the case, mostly it might be 136.533kHz,
ROPEX-TX....)


  best 73' Tom DL4EAU  JO51DR




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dear all.

Sorry I've been a bit slow on this but Jim's coil-calculating spreadsheet
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Dave

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dear all.<br><br>Sorry I've been a bit slow on this but Jim's coil-calculating spreadsheet and explanatory PDF is now uploaded to the LF website at <a href="http://wireless.org.uk/features.htm">http://wireless.org.uk/features.htm
</a> <br><br>Dave<br clear="all"><br>-- <br>G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

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Hi Gary I had too much noise to judge your sig at this range.....hope it
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----- Original Message -----
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> Hi Alan,
>
> Thanks for the report, did the trace look clean? it looks like I may have
> some corona somewhere, the trace on my SpecLab has a fuzz along the top &
> bottom when I peak up the antenna current/SWR with the variometer, it has
> been raining tonight. I have terminated the transmission now as I don't
want
> another blown PA so soon. I will investigate further tomorrow.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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>
>
> Hi Gary I can see you here on spectran running on the full band but you
are
> not audible in  the Spectran 300 Hz filter which is odd. I was sure you
used
> to audible here when you were transmitting, Ah you are just audible, but
> right on the edge. You only look to be about 5dB above the noise here, but
> it is not fully dark yet.
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> > Hi All,
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> > Just started transmission 136.3195khz qrss60 375 watts.
> >
> > Reports welcome.
> >
> > Gary - G4WGT.
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Hi Dick,

Congrats for the first QSO - hope to work you soon.


> For some reason I was not able to get the right settings in spec lab.
> Resolution is difficult, the tone went down in noise, it looked like.
> Anyway, my ear was better then the computer.....
 
> Maybe some tips about advised settings?
If you get lost in the settings, enter the "Quick Settings" menu, and 
select "Slow Morse Reception" ... "3 Seconds/dot" (=QRSS3).
If you hear a signal but don't see a strong line in the spectrogram, try 
this:

- scroll the the frequency axis around (towards higher or lower audio 
frequencies until you find the spot), by holding the left mouse button 
down on the frequency scale, and move the mouse while keeping the button 
pressed. SL will redraw the spectrum completely, so old parts of the 
frequency axis will become visible then.

- try the "contrast" and "brightness" controls on the left side. They 
are extremely important to squeeze the last fraction of a decibel out of 
the screen.

- To see the full bandwidth on the screen, click on the frequency axis 
with the right(!) mouse button and select "Zoom Out". The spectrogram 
will be redrawn immediately (also the old parts). Then, to examine 
something in detail, click on the frequency axis again (near the 
interesting frequency) and select "Zoom In" or "Zoom to 1 pixel per FFT 
bin". The latter case gives the optimum aspect ratio for QRSS, DFCW, and 
DF6NM's Chirped Hell.

- Life is easier if you enter the "VFO frequency" of your receiver to 
see the "high frequency" (instead of the audio frequency) on the 
frequency scale. For example, I always tune my LF RX to 135.8 kHz in 
USB, and enter "135.8k" in the "Offs"-field on the right side. Then I 
scroll the spectrogram's frequency scale so 137.7 kHz is in the middle 
of the screen.

- For very weak signals, I find the "sunrise" color palette better 
suited than the multi-coloured default palette. The colour palette can 
be selected through the file menu.

Best regards / CUL,

 Wolf DL4YHF .


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Hello all,

I am happy!!!

I just made my first QRSS/DFCW QSO's by accident.


I just wanted to check receiving software, at the time running 'spectrum =
laboratory v2.1 b2".

I connected the T-antenna to the loading coil etc, and tuned up with low =
power, just to get best reception.
Well, I suddenly heard a carrier, and on my screen I recognized the =
first dashes and dots:

C   Q    P   A    3    C      P    M =20

Well I thought that's nice.
I decided to beacon a bit, just for fun, and to test my just finished =
DFCW unit.
Transmitted my call 2 times, and switched to reception.

Guess what............ I saw my callsign coming back! somebody calling =
me!!!!!!!
A total surprise, turned out to be PA3CPM calling me.
We exchanged "O/O" and locators......

After the QSO someone else called me, but couldn't get it clear on my =
screen.
I searched for my Timewave DSP59+, and after some trial and error I got =
it running, meanwhile the calling
station was gone.
I TX-ed ?? and, then I saw Jim, M0BMU returning.
That QSO was also made, but I had a lot of trouble in reading him.
I think it would have been easier in normal CW!

For some reason I was not able to get the right settings in spec lab.
Resolution is difficult, the tone went down in noise, it looked like.
Anyway, my ear was better then the computer.....

Maybe some tips about advised settings?

I tried to load Argo, but couldn't find driver on my pc.

73

Dick, PA4VHF-JO32eh


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am happy!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just made my first QRSS/DFCW QSO's by =

accident.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just wanted to check receiving =
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loading coil etc,=20
and tuned up with low power, just to get best reception.</FONT></DIV>
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on my screen=20
I recognized the first dashes and dots:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>C&nbsp;&nbsp; Q&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
P&nbsp;&nbsp;=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Well I thought that's =
nice.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I decided to beacon a bit, just for =
fun, and to=20
test my just finished DFCW unit.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Transmitted my call 2 times, and =
switched to=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Guess what............ I saw my =
callsign coming=20
back! somebody calling me!!!!!!!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A total surprise, turned out to be =
PA3CPM calling=20
me.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We exchanged "O/O" and =
locators......</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I searched for my Timewave DSP59+, and =
after some=20
trial and error I got it running, meanwhile the calling</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I TX-ed ?? and, then I saw Jim, M0BMU=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think it would have been easier in =
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Hello Laurence,

Thank you for sending this information to the list.
Your 30 - 40 db noise attenuation agrees very well with my own findings at 
400 kHz: 40 dB for a concrete building and 32 dB for a brick wall house.

The clue is the walls attenuating the noise from inside the building.
Thus at LF all is not lost for the city dweller using an E-field probe!

You are the first one who carried out the same research as I did (as far as 
I know of) and I am very pleased to have the results reproduced under such 
difficult circumstances.
It might be quite educational to try a loop at the same location.

Thank you for your efforts.

Best regards,

Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt




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Equipped with rubber gloves and rubber boots and dark goggles,  , connect
"earth" of the power supply to your door frame..???

Maybe measure DC  PD first but not such sense of adventure.

G3GVB



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From: "Laurence KL1X" <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
To: "Laurence KL1X" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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Subject: LF: These sliding doors again


Considering the extenuative affects to kill common mode qrm coming from
inside the room, up the coax and out Ive been playing to try to find out
whats what. Yep an Im using isolating toroids and all that guff.

Here we go

For a merit test I "built" my own 4 x 3 metre flexible doorway in an area
similar but without the metal frame being there. This was with one
continuous length of folded aluminum foil some 4 cms in width and a couple
of thicknesses to give it some mechanical strength with all that tugging -
and some 14 metres in circumference.

 I compared the extenuative results of common in building noise with the one
with a known killer of QRN my favorite sliding balcony door frame - At 137
Khz the door frame gave appx 30-40dB of noize attenuation (nice) my aluminum
made up version standalone 4dB... or less. Open circuiting the aluminium
made up little difference
So I pondered - I knew from testing in Singapore that the metal frame in my
hotel that worked so well wasn't connected to "mains" earth - but what about
this one here in Shanghai? - Measured it and hey presto it is, and low Z
too, certainly less than 1 ohm  -  theyve added a Earth safety strap
somewhere and all the buildings doorways and sliding doors on the balconies
are all boded together at "building earth" (notice Im not saying radio)
potential and defacto we have a screened box - with my eprobe poking out of
one side and the screen connected to that box.

So this left the question of what was happening in Singapore? - Ive found
out that the sliding door frame is connected to the steel work of the
building but for some reason there is No connection to the mains earth in
the 220vac supply - I actually think this is a bit dodgy but heck that mains
earth was hot with RF and brought the noise up by 30dB, here luckily in
Shanghai it doesn't.

Choosing the right balcony sliding door for your probe has merits - the one
on the North side cuts the noize out but then I get pylon hash, the one on
the southside is much quieter but now screened from Asia/Americas and Eu -
but I can still see DCF39

So no tuned loops, tooned earths, counterpoises or what ever just a screened
metal box that keeps the rubbish mostly inside. Mostly. As Ive seen before
if I was on the top floor its works pretty well for rx if i can get my probe
above the roof line but Im on floor  3 out of 12 and by pushing the probe
out further and further away from the building makes a huge difference -
more than 1 S point per metre at 200Khz on some of the local NDB's.

I have a cunning plan (as one famous actor said once "so cunning if you put
a tail on it, you would call it a fox"), to get some form of earth into the
ground and extend is camouflaged up the side of the building. If it works it
will be interesting to see what if any affect is has on the qrm, if it
doesn't Ill probably be in jail.

Laurence, KL1X in BY, enroute  tomorrow to KL7


From: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.comTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate:
Fri, 18 Aug 2006 14:33:59 -0800Subject: LF: condx


DCF39 seen here from 1809z till 2143z - signals were coming and going and
below audible - The signal here was seen some 24mins before sundown at
Magdeburg and lost at my dawn. Theres hope! Laurence PM01 ShanghaiMini whip
on a 7m fishing pole shoved out horizontally off a 3rd floor screened
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Hi Alan,

Thanks for the report, did the trace look clean? it looks like I may have
some corona somewhere, the trace on my SpecLab has a fuzz along the top &
bottom when I peak up the antenna current/SWR with the variometer, it has
been raining tonight. I have terminated the transmission now as I don't want
another blown PA so soon. I will investigate further tomorrow.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT.

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Hi Gary I can see you here on spectran running on the full band but you are
not audible in  the Spectran 300 Hz filter which is odd. I was sure you used
to audible here when you were transmitting, Ah you are just audible, but
right on the edge. You only look to be about 5dB above the noise here, but
it is not fully dark yet.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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> Hi All,
>
> Just started transmission 136.3195khz qrss60 375 watts.
>
> Reports welcome.
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>



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26./08/2006   0833z

GM all,

 I just RX: " 7 SU  K" on 137700 QRSS3

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Thanks all for the tips.
I'll look for it.
Now need to build a stable PLL/DDS circuit......
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Hi Hans.
Nice sig this morning. 599 but your power seems to be dropping or else QSB
is the problem. Some QRN here but not a problem.
73 and gl and tnx for another QSO.

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Hello LF and MF group,

I have modified the beacon transmitter of DI2BO so that it can transmit =
RTTY and other digital modes now. The signal is produced by a Hagenuk =
0.1 - 30 MHz SSB exciter named EX-1001. This signal is fed into the =
Debeg 7121 MF transmitter.

Today (Sunday, August 20, 2006) the beacon is transmitting permanently =
on 440.00 kHz in 50 Baud RTTY with 85 Hz shift (same values as DDH47 on =
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switches the beacon on for 30 minutes, the phone will not pick up).=20

As usual, reception reports are very welcome.

Best 73

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO




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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have&nbsp;modified the beacon =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Today (Sunday, August 20, =
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49 - 173 - 64 66 981 switches the beacon on for 30 minutes, the phone =
will not=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>As usual, reception reports are very=20
welcome.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>Best 73</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Dear Laurence, LF Group,

M0BMU also QRV from about 2240utc - using DFCW 60, Centered on 136.3205 =
with about 0.25Hz shift

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, August 05, 2006 10:16 PM
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  Ok Laurence,
  =20
  I will try to keep on past your dawn, I have not yet left Tx running =
without supervision so I will keep it going til go to bed possibly about =
our midnight.
  =20
  Gary.
  =20
  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Laurence KL1X
  Sent: 05 August 2006 21:50
  To: Gary - G4WGT
  Subject: LF: Sigs


  Ok Gary - Ill leave the grabber on till I wake up -=20
  =20
  Ill have to go to bed now for a few hours but Ill be looking again =
tomorrow night as well  - as long as we dont have tstorms as my 8m =
fishing rod is the highest thing on the roof of this hotel!
  =20
  The Argo window is 136.318/322 on the grabber, dot 60 slow at the =
moment.
  =20
  Cheers
  Laurence OJ11
  Singapore
  http://www.kl1x.com
  =20





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    From: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk
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    OK Laurence,
    =20
    I am set up for 136.320KHz, qrss60, 300W, send WGT & cw id at 6wpm. =
Start in a couple of minutes.
    =20
    Gud Luk.
    =20
    Gary
    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Laurence KL1X
    Sent: 05 August 2006 20:39
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    Name your poison Gary - Ive not seem a line yet here...
    =20
    Laurence in 9v1







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      Hi Laurence,
      =20
      I can send an hour or so at qrss 60, what freq?=20
      =20
      Gary - G4WGT
      =20
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org =
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Laurence KL1X
      Sent: 05 August 2006 20:09
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      dcf39 is cw audible here in singapore at this time..(0308 local) - =
Laurence - anyone from europe on?

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>M0BMU also QRV from about 2240utc - using DFCW =
60,=20
Centered on 136.3205 with about 0.25Hz shift</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>Cheers, Jim Moritz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial>73 de M0BMU</FONT></DIV>
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  G4WGT</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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  title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 05, 2006 =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: Sigs</DIV>
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D359361321-05082006><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
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  Laurence,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D359361321-05082006><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D359361321-05082006><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
face=3DArial>I will try=20
  to keep on past your dawn, I have not yet left Tx running&nbsp;without =

  supervision so I will keep it&nbsp;going til go to bed possibly about =
our=20
  midnight.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D359361321-05082006><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
  face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D359361321-05082006><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
  face=3DArial>Gary.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  =
href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl=
acksheep.org</A>=20
  [<A=20
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roup@blacksheep.org</A>]<B>On=20
  Behalf Of </B>Laurence KL1X<BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 August 2006 =
21:50<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  Gary - G4WGT<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: Sigs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Ok Gary - =
Ill=20
  leave the grabber on till I wake up - <BR>&nbsp;<BR>Ill have to go to =
bed now=20
  for a few hours but Ill be looking again tomorrow night as well&nbsp; =
- as=20
  long as we dont have tstorms as my 8m fishing rod is the highest thing =
on the=20
  roof of this hotel!<BR>&nbsp;<BR>The Argo window is 136.318/322 on the =

  grabber, dot 60 slow at the moment.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Cheers<BR>Laurence=20
  OJ11<BR>Singapore<BR><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.kl1x.com">http://www.kl1x.com</A><BR>&nbsp;<BR><BR><BR=
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    From: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk<BR>To: =
rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Sat,=20
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    <DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_531124619-05082006><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
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    Laurence,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
    <DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_531124619-05082006><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
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    <DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_531124619-05082006><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
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    set up for 136.320KHz, qrss60, 300W, send WGT &amp; cw id at 6wpm. =
Start in=20
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    <DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_531124619-05082006><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
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    <DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_531124619-05082006><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
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    Luk.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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    face=3DArial>Gary</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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    face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
    owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
    [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Laurence=20
    KL1X<BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 August 2006 20:39<BR><B>To:</B> Gary -=20
    G4WGT<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: LF: RE: dcf39<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Name =
your=20
    poison Gary - Ive not seem a line yet here...<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Laurence =
in=20
    9v1<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
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      From: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk<BR>To: =
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      Sat, 5 Aug 2006 20:34:54 +0100<BR>Subject: LF: RE: dcf39<BR><BR>
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      face=3DArial>Hi Laurence,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_531493219-05082006><FONT color=3D#0000ff=20
      face=3DArial></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
      <DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_EC_531493219-05082006><FONT color=3D#0000ff =
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      can send an hour or so at qrss 60, what freq? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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      KL1X<BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 August 2006 20:09<BR><B>To:</B>=20
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Ok Laurence,

I will try to keep on past your dawn, I have not yet left Tx running without
supervision so I will keep it going til go to bed possibly about our
midnight.

Gary.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Laurence KL1X
Sent: 05 August 2006 21:50
To: Gary - G4WGT
Subject: LF: Sigs


Ok Gary - Ill leave the grabber on till I wake up -

Ill have to go to bed now for a few hours but Ill be looking again tomorrow
night as well  - as long as we dont have tstorms as my 8m fishing rod is the
highest thing on the roof of this hotel!

The Argo window is 136.318/322 on the grabber, dot 60 slow at the moment.

Cheers
Laurence OJ11
Singapore
http://www.kl1x.com









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  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 20:48:41 +0100
  Subject: RE: LF: RE: dcf39


  OK Laurence,

  I am set up for 136.320KHz, qrss60, 300W, send WGT & cw id at 6wpm. Start
in a couple of minutes.

  Gud Luk.

  Gary
  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Laurence KL1X
  Sent: 05 August 2006 20:39
  To: Gary - G4WGT
  Subject: RE: LF: RE: dcf39


  Name your poison Gary - Ive not seem a line yet here...

  Laurence in 9v1







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    From: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk
    To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
    Date: Sat, 5 Aug 2006 20:34:54 +0100
    Subject: LF: RE: dcf39


    Hi Laurence,

    I can send an hour or so at qrss 60, what freq?

    Gary - G4WGT

    -----Original Message-----
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    Sent: 05 August 2006 20:09
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    dcf39 is cw audible here in singapore at this time..(0308 local) -
Laurence - anyone from europe on?

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D359361321-05082006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff>I will try to=20
keep on past your dawn, I have not yet left Tx running&nbsp;without =
supervision=20
so I will keep it&nbsp;going til go to bed possibly about our=20
midnight.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D359361321-05082006><FONT face=3DArial=20
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KL1X<BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 August 2006 21:50<BR><B>To:</B> Gary -=20
G4WGT<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: Sigs<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Ok Gary - Ill =
leave the=20
grabber on till I wake up - <BR>&nbsp;<BR>Ill have to go to bed now for =
a few=20
hours but Ill be looking again tomorrow night as well&nbsp; - as long as =
we dont=20
have tstorms as my 8m fishing rod is the highest thing on the roof of =
this=20
hotel!<BR>&nbsp;<BR>The Argo window is 136.318/322 on the grabber, dot =
60 slow=20
at the moment.<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Cheers<BR>Laurence OJ11<BR>Singapore<BR><A=20
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_531124619-05082006><FONT face=3DArial=20
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_531124619-05082006><FONT face=3DArial =
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  couple of minutes.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  face=3DTahoma>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Laurence=20
  KL1X<BR><B>Sent:</B> 05 August 2006 20:39<BR><B>To:</B> Gary -=20
  G4WGT<BR><B>Subject:</B> RE: LF: RE: dcf39<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Name =
your=20
  poison Gary - Ive not seem a line yet here...<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Laurence in =

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    can send an hour or so at qrss 60, what freq? </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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Dear Dick, LF Group,

If the antenna current really is 200mA, then with around 50W of RF, an
antenna resistance of over 1k ohm is implied - obviously there is a big
disagreement with your antenna impedance measurement. 1k ohm seems like =
a
very high loss resistance, even for a small antenna.

The extra 30 - 40pF of capacity is quite likely to be due to the stray
capacitance of the coil and its connections, and would be a reasonable =
value
for a fairly large diameter coil.

Even a single ground rod will have much less than 1k resistance, unless
perhaps it is going into desert sand or solid rock or something similar =
- in
my clay soil, going from several parallel ground rods to a single rod =
led to
a rise in loss resistance of about 20 ohms.

If the resistance really is 1k, and losses actually are occurring in the
antenna, earth system, or antenna tuner, you would have a very low Q for =
the
overall antenna system - about 6, instead of a more normal 50 - 100 or
thereabouts. This would make the tuning very "flat". Normally, a change =
in
the loading inductance of less than 1% would lead to a big mismatch, =
leading
to very sharp antenna tuning. It would also be hard to achieve a low SWR
with 1k or more of loss resistance - if using a separate matching
transformer and loading coil, the transformer ratio would have to be =
about
1:5, while with a tapped loading coil you would need a big diameter with
thin wire to get a match. So if you are using fairly "normal" matching
arrangements, and you get a sharp adjustment of resonance, suspicion =
must
fall on the antenna current meter. You could check this by connecting it =
in
series between the TX output and dummy load - with 50W into 50R, you =
should
get 1A RMS of RF current.

Clicking sounds from ferrite cored transformers are not unusual - they =
are
caused my magnetostriction, which is a sort of magnetic version of the
piezoelectric effect. A change in flux in the core causes a slight =
change in
dimensions of the ferrite, producing a sound - SMPS transformers =
sometimes
"squeal" for this reason.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dick
Sent: 13 August 2006 09:24
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Subject: LF: PA4VHF tests/problems?

Thanks Alan for the suggestion.

Well while tuning the variometer everything seemed working as it should =
be.
The SWR nice dropped to zero, while the antennacurrent raised.
With help of a separate receiver I was able to figure out that I was
certainly not tuning on a harmonic.

So, there really might be some extra capacitance produced by the
coilwindings etc.

About the antenna current, one reason might be an insufficient earth, as =
I
just connected the ground tap
to a groundrod with 5m wire to my groundrod 'somewhere' in the garden...











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Looks like an improvement - I have DCF39 and a similar sounding adn stronge=
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Looking 136.320Khz dot30 slow for the next couple of hours
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Hi John and all  !
 
I listened last night 137.577 in Wolf 10
Nohing here ! nil ! nil ! nil ! 
strong static activity

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Oh come Jay live a little - 9v1 grabber also on line!=20
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Ive got the noise level really controlled now - so fingers crossed.
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Laurence
Oh Jay won won, Singapore
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> From: vy1ja@northwestel.net> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org> Date: Mon,=
 7 Aug 2006 06:53:25 +0000> Subject: LF: VY1JA beacon ~137778.4 QRSS60> > F=
riends,> > VY1JA beacon is ~137778.4> QRSS60 ~100W TX output.> CP20kw> > Ag=
ain, reports, comments or captures are appreciated.> > Rapido is set to cap=
ture the KI0LE and VE7TIL grabbers.  These are about the > expected limits =
of reception.> > Thanks,> > J.> VY1JA > > >=20
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<body>Oh come Jay live a little - 9v1 grabber also on line! <BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Ive got the noise level really controlled now - so fingers crossed.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence<BR>
Oh Jay won won, Singapore<BR>
<A href=3D"http://www.kl1x.com">http://www.kl1x.com</A><BR>
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&gt; From: vy1ja@northwestel.net<BR>&gt; To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<B=
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on ~137778.4 QRSS60<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Friends,<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; VY1JA&nbsp;b=
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Friends,

VY1JA beacon is ~137778.4
QRSS60 ~100W TX output.
CP20kw

Again, reports, comments or captures are appreciated.

Rapido is set to capture the KI0LE and VE7TIL grabbers.  These are about the 
expected limits of reception.

Thanks,

J.
VY1JA 




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Dave - Alan - its not bad - I have peaking S9  but the R75 is doing a good =
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Hi That is interesting Laurence. Steve's plot of DCF39 definitely seemed
better last night than for the last few nights and the geomag activity is
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No Euro noises seen here at present Its about another hours to darkness but
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Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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Thanks Dave,

I am interested to see the difference between my signal, and those from =
other PA's.
Victor is about 85km to the west from me, so closer to the UK.

Compaired to yesterday I'm now running 3.5dB more power, never thought =
that would make such a difference!

Dick
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Dave G3WCB=20
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  Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 10:49 AM
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  Hi, Dick.=20

  "M" copy this morning. I estimate that you are about 6dB weaker than =
PA3FNY. but strong enough for a QSO into "G - land"

  Keep up the good work!

  73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dick
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    I really don't know what's happening Viktor.

    Yes, I run more power than yesterday, but only 1-1.5dB more or so.
    Antenna current is just a little bit more.
    I can crank up the power by another 3-4dB........

    But I want to stay in safe area, hi.

    Thanks again for monitoring!

    Dick
      ----- Original Message -----=20
      From: Victor van kooten=20
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      Sent: Sunday, August 20, 2006 9:57 AM
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        High power Dick??

        73
        Victor PA3FNY

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks Dave,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am interested to see the difference =
between my=20
signal, and those from other PA's.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Victor is about 85km to the west from =
me, so closer=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Compaired to yesterday I'm now running =
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power, never thought that would make such a difference!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, August 20, 2006 =
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D061204408-20082006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Hi,=20
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D061204408-20082006><FONT face=3DArial =
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D061204408-20082006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>"M"=20
  copy this morning. I estimate that you are about 6dB weaker than =
PA3FNY.=20
  but&nbsp;strong enough for a QSO into "G - land"</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV><SPAN class=3D061204408-20082006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>Keep=20
  up the good work!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D061204408-20082006><FONT face=3DArial =
color=3D#0000ff=20
  size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><SPAN class=3D061204408-20082006><FONT face=3DArial =
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  Dave G3WCB IO91RM</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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acksheep.org</A>=20
    [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of=20
    </B>Dick<BR><B>Sent:</B> 20 August 2006 09:15<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
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    LF: Re: RE: PA4VHF-137.708 <BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I really don't know what's =
happening=20
    Viktor.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes, I run more power than =
yesterday, but only=20
    1-1.5dB more or so.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Antenna current is just a little =
bit=20
    more.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I can crank up the power by another =

    3-4dB........</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But I want to stay in safe area,=20
    hi.</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks again for =
monitoring!</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
    <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick</FONT></DIV>
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      <A title=3Dvvkooten@wanadoo.nl =
href=3D"mailto:vvkooten@wanadoo.nl">Victor van=20
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      <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A=20
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Thanks for the reports Jeff.

73, Dick, PA0SE

At 01:28 20-8-06, you wrote:
>19./08/2006   2319z
>
>
>  Good night to all,
>  Reception of PA3FNY (above) and PA0SE (down).
>Curious zero beat when both stations are in transmission! (0.97 Hz)
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>
>At good night in all and thank you for transmission.
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<font size=3>Thanks for the reports Jeff.<br><br>
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&nbsp;Good night to all,<br>
&nbsp;Reception of PA3FNY (above) and PA0SE (down). <br>
Curious zero beat when both stations are in transmission! (0.97 Hz)<br>
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19./08/2006   2319z


 Good night to all,
 Reception of PA3FNY (above) and PA0SE (down).=20
Curious zero beat when both stations are in transmission! (0.97 Hz)
PA0SE ~ 5.5 dB stronger here in JN09tt.

At good night in all and thank you for transmission.=20
73: Jeff


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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>19./08/2006&nbsp;&nbsp; 2319z</FONT></DIV>
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Hello all,
I'm running into problems when trying to make DFCW with ON7YD's =
programm.

In this mode it seems that the RTS port has a signal (key in QRSS) and =
the DTR port (normally ptt) has a signal.

I guess the DTR has to key my VXO to get the higher frequency used for =
dashes.

However, where can I find the ptt signal in this mode?

73

Dick, pa4vhf

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'm running into problems when trying =
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with ON7YD's programm.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In this mode it seems that the RTS port =
has a=20
signal (key in QRSS) and the DTR port (normally ptt) has a =
signal.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I guess the DTR has to key my VXO to =
get the higher=20
frequency used for dashes.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However, where can I find the ptt =
signal in this=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
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Hi Dick, you have a big problem somewhere there I can get 200mA of antenna
current with 2 watts RF . If you your TX is 80% efficient and generating abt
80w and your total resistance is measured as 60 ohms you should get 1.2 amps
or close to that . 6.8 mH is way to low for that capacity which suggests you
have a funny on the tuning maybe and interaction with the transformer. You
could try tuning the antenna alone (no matching transformers) with the
bridge, and see it it tunes in the same place.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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From: Dick
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Subject: PA4VHF small backyard tests


Well, changed the antenna and fired up my little teststation this afternoon
in my backyard.

Antenna: 3 wires 7.5m long spaced 40cm each , vertical part about 6m long
also 3 parallel wires spaced 40cm each.
Feed is about 2m from the far end.

Measured about 170pF and 60 Ohm (?) with bridge, noisesource/136kHz
oscillator and RX.

With variometer and loading coil connected, I needed about 6,7mH to tune
things, where I expected to find
around 8,0mH.

Somewhere I got around 30-40pF extra. Maybe internal capacity of the loading
coils???

With 100Watt DC-input I got about 200mA antenna current sofar.

Remarkable: when switching TX on/off, I could hear the first step-up
transformer clicking (it's a 58mm 3C85 core)
is this usual???

The transmitter used is my little testbox with an additional amplifier with
IRFP360 running at around 12-14V, 6-9Amp.
Mal has heard me before with this transmitter connected to a 15m spiral
toploaded vertical..........

73

Dick, PA4VHF (JO32eg)



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18./08/2006   1956z

Hello all!

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Friends,

Scott's amp is on at VY1JA.  It will need to be hooked up to the relay and 
will need the SWR protective circuit added, but for now it is going.  If you 
see any blips in the band it will likely be my CW and testing.

J. 




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Thanks Alan for the suggestion.

Well while tuning the variometer everything seemed working as it should be.
The SWR nice dropped to zero, while the antennacurrent raised.
With help of a separate receiver I was able to figure out that I was
certainly not tuning on a harmonic.

So, there really might be some extra capacitance produced by the
coilwindings etc.

About the antenna current, one reason might be an insufficient earth, as I
just connected the ground tap
to a groundrod with 5m wire to my groundrod 'somewhere' in the garden.

I built up the transmitter again, but now connected to a 50Ohm dummyload,
instead of the coil antenna etc.
Used exact the same coaxial cables.
SWR/PWR meter shows same value as with the loading coil/antenna connected,
and also DC input power
seems the same.
So, that gives me reason to believe it's ok.

Question however is the exact amount of power, hi.

I am measuring 140 Volt top-top on a oscilloscope parallel with the 50 Ohm
dummy load. (at the dummy load)
DC input is 13.0V/7.5A (that's 97.5W DC input)

For some reason I can't figure out the right formula to calculate the power
into the dummy load.
I get wrong figures al the time.

I'm more a practical man, hi

73

Dick, PA4VHF


my testfrequency as always is around 136.1kHz from an X-tal
oscillator/divider.







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Just worked PI4VPO/Lt operating from a light tower. Their signal was many 
dB over S9. Not surprising with their 55 m  high aerial.
But I am disappointed at the little response to their CQ's.  They must be 
heard easily over a large part of Europe.

73, Dick, PA0SE  



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It doesnt matter Wolf do I think that a divisor of 26 is really required so
the final divide by 2 will square the signal up nicely

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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> hamilton mal schrieb:
> > I must admit that I do not know of a cmos device that divides by 13 by
> > convential means. I wonder what the trick might be?
> > de MAL/G3KEV
> >
> >
> Hi Mal,
>
> Try the CMOS4536 or similar. It's a cheap "programmable counter/divider"
> - 16 pin standard DIL package. The 4636 can be "programmed" (by applying
> a 4-bit binary number to the inputs A,B,C,D) to divide by
> 1,2,3,4,5,6,7....16.
> Downside: Because of the odd ratio, the output won't have 50% duty
> cycle. But a simple LC filter can restore a "clean" signal.
>
> 73,
>   Wolf DL4YHF.
>
>



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hamilton mal schrieb:
> I must admit that I do not know of a cmos device that divides by 13 by
> convential means. I wonder what the trick might be?
> de MAL/G3KEV
>
>   
Hi Mal,

Try the CMOS4536 or similar. It's a cheap "programmable counter/divider" 
- 16 pin standard DIL package. The 4636 can be "programmed" (by applying 
a 4-bit binary number to the inputs A,B,C,D) to divide by 
1,2,3,4,5,6,7....16.
Downside: Because of the odd ratio, the output won't have 50% duty 
cycle. But a simple LC filter can restore a "clean" signal.

73,
  Wolf DL4YHF.



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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dick" <knaap159@zonnet.nl>
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Subject: LF: Re: QRSS QRG's > 3579.25 kHz


> Thanks for this info Dave.
> Of course I have these x-tals; they also been used regulary for 80m fox
> hunting TX's.
> Biggest problem however, is to divide by 13........
> I do not have to much schematics about dividers.
>
> I found another solution, hi
> I took an 4.433MHz X-tal and tuned it down to 4406kHz....

I have a couple of 4433.619 khz xtals, was also thinking of pulling these
down in freq. How far down did u get and was it stable enough when divided.
de Mal/G3KEV

> That divided by 16 will give me the 275.4kHz I need to drive the rest of
the
> circuit.
>
> Any schematics/links about how to divide by 13 are welcome.
>
> I'll be on this afternoon 14-15ut on 136.550kHz +/- 50Hz with CW 8wpm
beacon
> mode.
>
> Maybe, one of these days my signal might show up around 137.7 in QRSS
> 3......
>
> Dick, pa4vhf
>
>
>



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----- Original Message -----
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> Thanks for this info Dave.
> Of course I have these x-tals; they also been used regulary for 80m fox
> hunting TX's.
> Biggest problem however, is to divide by 13........
> I do not have to much schematics about dividers.
>
> I found another solution, hi
> I took an 4.433MHz X-tal and tuned it down to 4406kHz......
> That divided by 16 will give me the 275.4kHz I need to drive the rest of
the
> circuit.
>
> Any schematics/links about how to divide by 13 are welcome.

I must admit that I do not know of a cmos device that divides by 13 by
convential means. I wonder what the trick might be?
de MAL/G3KEV

>
> I'll be on this afternoon 14-15ut on 136.550kHz +/- 50Hz with CW 8wpm
beacon
> mode.
>
> Maybe, one of these days my signal might show up around 137.7 in QRSS
> 3......
>
> Dick, pa4vhf
>
>
>



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Hi All,

Just starting beacon sending 'WGT' on 136,319.5 Hz give or take a little.
QRSS60, 400 watts. Reports welcome specially from outside UK. I have moved
freq slightly since last night as I saw a signal on Hartmuts grabber very
very close to my freq (136,320,0 Hz) which is also visible tonight.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT


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Hi Gary its well after dawn there now but his Argo clock looks a bit off
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Alan G3NYK

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> Looks like Laurence is not staying up tonight (morning in Singapore) as
the
> grabber is not running.
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>



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Hi Laurence,

I have looked at my freq lists & there are 2 Datatrak frequencies shown
nearby at 133.20KHz in UK & 133.24KHz in Argentina, having listened to the
UK one it seems to have a sort of pulsing warble.

Pleased you managed to get the mini-whip parts, I think it is so good I am
mainly using it instead og the G3LNP loop beacauce its not as restricted on
frequency coverage & so small.

73

Gary - G4WGT


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Subject: LF: Tstorms in Singapore (no surprise there)


Its Singapore's national day (41 years on 9th Aug) and we have had natural
fireworks here as well as man made, so I took the lightning aiming point off
the top of the hotel roof until the bad weather passes. The vertical is some
20ft above the highest lightning rod and I cant afford the law suit.  As
well as that LF is poorer than off late and Ive lost some of my longer range
ndb markers -

Scott - I have a birdie on 133.1 Khz  or so, warbles away most of the time
but I dont think its that Canadian - suspect some controller somewhere here.

Managed to get all the bits for the PAORDT  Mini-whip here including the
2N5106's, but again I had to go to all the components shops at the Mecca for
all radio hams the Sim Lim area .. 4 sing dollars each. J310 50 cents sing
(1.5 sing to 1 usd)

73
Laurence OJ11
(we get a day off work)


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Hi Dick,

The last activation of LX on 136 kHz is so long ago (guess it was 
LX1PD), that anyone will be keen to work you.
For me, any mode, and any QRG would be ok.
I think DFCW3 -if possible- could speed things up.
CW may be tough for stations more than a few hundred km's away if the 
ground is poor - which you never know before setting up the transmitter 
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Hi Dick,

Of course I am interested
1 Yes (new country)
2 QRSS/DFCW
3 Any time
4 Any frequency

73 Victor
PA3FNY
  -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
  Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Dick
  Verzonden: dinsdag 29 augustus 2006 23:15
  Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Onderwerp: LF: activety 'poll/enquete' for LX


  Hello all,

  As you might know I'm planning to be QRV from LX on 136kHz in October.
  I will be one of the members of a group activating all HF bands including
WARC
  from LX.
  Therefore operating time on 136kHz is a bit limited, to certain time slots
or so.

  I want to be QRV at times  that most people can operate on 136kHz in order
to
  use the time I have as efficient as possible.

  So, I have some questions to the LF operators across Europe and by
answering them
  you can help me to plan the best operating times, modes and frequencies.

  1.  are you interested in working LX on 136kHz
  2.  which modes can you work?  CW, QRSS and/or DFCW?
  3. prefered operation times?  you can give more times, best time at first,
etc.
  4. if you have a Xtal controlled TX, please give the frequency.
      (I guess, if it's the case, mostly it might be 136.533kHz,
ROPEX-TX....)

  Thanks sofar for your help.

  73

  Dick, PA4VHF


  for more info about LX-activety look at :  www.pa6z.nl



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course I am interested</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D000463611-30082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>1 Yes=20
(new country)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D000463611-30082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>2=20
QRSS/DFCW</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D000463611-30082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>3 Any=20
time</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D000463611-30082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>4 Any=20
frequency</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D000463611-30082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D000463611-30082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>73=20
Victor</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3D000463611-30082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =

size=3D2>PA3FNY</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----<BR><B>Van:</B>=20
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>Namens=20
  </B>Dick<BR><B>Verzonden:</B> dinsdag 29 augustus 2006 =
23:15<BR><B>Aan:</B>=20
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Onderwerp:</B> LF: activety =
'poll/enquete'=20
  for LX<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As you might know I'm planning to be =
QRV from LX=20
  on 136kHz in October.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I will be one of the members of a =
group=20
  activating all HF bands including WARC</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>from LX.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Therefore operating time on 136kHz is =
a bit=20
  limited, to certain time slots or so.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I want to be QRV at times&nbsp; that =
most people=20
  can operate on 136kHz in order to</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>use the time I have as efficient as=20
  possible.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So, I have some questions to the LF =
operators=20
  across Europe and by answering them </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>you&nbsp;can help&nbsp;me to plan the =

  best&nbsp;operating times, modes and frequencies.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>1.&nbsp; are you interested in =
working LX on=20
  136kHz</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>2.&nbsp; which modes can you =
work?&nbsp;=20
  CW,&nbsp;QRSS and/or DFCW?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>3. prefered operation times?&nbsp; =
you can give=20
  more times, best time at first, etc.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>4.&nbsp;if you have a Xtal controlled =
TX, please=20
  give the frequency.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; (I guess, if it's =
the case,=20
  mostly it might be 136.533kHz, ROPEX-TX....)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks sofar for your =
help.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick, PA4VHF</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>for more info about LX-activety look =
at :&nbsp;=20
  <A href=3D"http://www.pa6z.nl">www.pa6z.nl</A></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Alan G3NYK wrote;

"HF?? Nobody uses HF for communication these days....do they ??"

Many countries around the world (including Australia) use HF for over
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rr, I am already using it Claudio, works fine.

73

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On Wednesday 16 August 2006 08:16, Dick wrote:
> I thouht to have seen a PLL design by IK2PII or an other I-station for 136kHz which uses rather simple components.
> Unfortunatly I lost the schematic, and can't find it back on internet either.
> Anyone?
> 

Hallo Dick!

It's not a PLL it's a conversion VXO using two easy to buy xtals.

The schematic is on my web - see signature

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Hello Dick.
 
If it's simplicity: performance, then it's hard to beat Johan's DDS  using 
the AD9832.
 
I once did a PCB for that which included all sorts of filtering and PSK  
modulation. But if you leave off all that optional stuff it really comes down  to 
4 components.
 
1) A PIC controller
2) The DDS
3) A buffer amp
4) An LCD display.
 
 
No boards left now but it can be built on small pitch  veroboard.

 
Johan's link is   _http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-41522/minidds/minidds.html_ 
(http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-41522/minidds/minidds.html) 
 
While the picture of my version is at:  
_http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/dds.htm_ (http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/dds.htm) 
 
Note that in the final version of my PCB apx 60% of the board area /  
components are not required for simple applications.
 
Good to see you getting results with the TX
 
Regards
 
David
 
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 16/08/2006 06:21:27 GMT Standard Time,  knaap159@zonnet.nl 
writes:

I thouht to have seen a PLL design by IK2PII or  an other I-station for 
136kHz which uses rather simple  components.
Unfortunatly I lost the schematic, and can't find  it back on internet either.
Anyone?
 
I've found a design from OK1DX, but I have  troubles to print the schematic 
diagram, it will not fit on one  page......
 
73
 
Dick, pa4vhf



 

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<DIV>If it's simplicity: performance,&nbsp;then it's hard to beat Johan's DD=
S=20
using the AD9832.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I once did a PCB for that which included all sorts of filtering and PSK=
=20
modulation. But if you leave off all that optional stuff it really comes dow=
n=20
to&nbsp;4 components.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>1) A PIC controller</DIV>
<DIV>2) The DDS</DIV>
<DIV>3) A buffer amp</DIV>
<DIV>4) An LCD display.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>No boards left now but it can be built on small pitch=20
veroboard.</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Johan's link is&nbsp;&nbsp; <A=20
href=3D"http://home4.swipnet.se/~w-41522/minidds/minidds.html">http://home4.=
swipnet.se/~w-41522/minidds/minidds.html</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>While the picture of my version is at:&nbsp; <A=20
href=3D"http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/dds.htm">http://www.g0mrf.freeserve=
.co.uk/dds.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Note that in the final version of my PCB apx 60% of the board area /=20
components&nbsp;are not required for simple applications.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Good to see you getting results with the TX</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Regards</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>David</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 16/08/2006 06:21:27 GMT Standard Time,=20
knaap159@zonnet.nl writes:</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I've found a design from OK1DX, but I hav=
e=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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In a message dated 16/08/2006 06:21:27 GMT Standard Time,  knaap159@zonnet.nl 
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I thouht to have seen a PLL design by IK2PII or  an other I-station for 
136kHz which uses rather simple  components.
Unfortunatly I lost the schematic, and can't find  it back on internet either.
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I've found a design from OK1DX, but I have  troubles to print the schematic 
diagram, it will not fit on one  page......
 
73
 
Dick, pa4vhf



 

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Links to the IK2PII design and others can be found on my site at:
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On 16 Aug 2006 at 8:16, Dick wrote:

> I thouht to have seen a PLL design by IK2PII or an other I-station for
> 136kHz which uses rather simple components. Unfortunatly I lost the
> schematic, and can't find it back on internet either. Anyone?
> 
> I've found a design from OK1DX, but I have troubles to print the
> schematic diagram, it will not fit on one page......
> 
> 73
> 
> Dick, pa4vhf





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Hi group,

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Dear Laurence, LF Group,

M0BMU now QRV from about 2020utc, DFCW60, centred on 136.3205kHz

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  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Im being turfed out of this hotel tomorrow so last night for LF =
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Hi All
This morning worked PI4VPO/LT also hrd PA0SE and DL3NRV/P, acty all on CW.
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First off all the power this afternoon turned out to be 250Watt output.=20

Maenwhile I completly rebuild the output coil and switch of the =
transmitter, and now I'm able to=20
switch between 220W and 530 Watt output in six steps.
Efficiency is around 80% at 60V supply voltage.

I also did the ultimate test...running TX at full power without antenna!
The very fast swr protection system did it's job. (lucky me...)

If weather permits I'll be QRV again tomorrow afternoon after 13utc.
Again around 136.30kHz.

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Have to adjust swr circuit, so will work on that tomorrow as well.

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>First off all the power this afternoon =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maenwhile I completly rebuild the =
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switch of the transmitter, and now I'm able to </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>switch between 220W and 530 Watt output =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Efficiency is around 80% at 60V supply=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I also did the ultimate test...running =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The very fast swr protection system did =
it's job.=20
(lucky me...)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If weather permits I'll be QRV again =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Again around 136.30kHz.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Probably with a lot of tuning etc. And =
if possible=20
for 30 minutes or so in beacon mode.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Have to adjust swr circuit, so will =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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To all ,
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LFers,

I'm using QRSS version 3.17 on a 486 laptop running Windows
for Workgroups 3.11 and it's working just fine.  I've also tried it
on my older desktop running Win 98 with good results as well.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
EN93dr




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Hi Niels,

> is one employing an inductance in series with the crystal. (Such oscillators 
> sometimes are termed "VXOs"). As always, there is a price to pay:  The 
> frequency stability is impaired. 

     Yes, I tried a VXO circuit but it did not have sifficient stability for QRSS work. O.K. for hand keyed cw though.

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
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Hello LF-group.
About 50 years ago I ground and lapped FT243 crystals for use in lattice filters.
I would not recommend any attempts to try doing similar kinds of things to
modern crystls.
It may, however, be of interest to note, that the marked crystal frequency, e.g.
3.579,545 kHz is the oscillating frequency in a positive reactance oscillator
("parallel-type"). Operating the crystal at its series frequency will give you
a slightly lower frequency.
And if the crystal is being operated in its negative reactance region (beneath
its series resonance frequency, an even lower frequency of oscillation is
possible (down by up to 0.5 percent). A practical negative reactance oscillator
is one employing an inductance in series with the crystal. (Such oscillators 
sometimes are termed "VXOs"). As always, there is a price to pay:  The 
frequency stability is impaired. 
73
Niels / OZ8NJ+    


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Hi All,

After a big 'bang' at 2043hrs WGT beacon ceased to transmit having
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No heating of the heat-sink, it just failed.

73

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Dick.

My xtals are small sealed units, some are also enclosed in glass like =
B7G tubes with the same base. These cannot be modified as you describe.
The old larger types with a plate that can be removed are different.
I was wondering how far they would pull with a capacitor in series etc.
mal

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  For those who didn't know, use following 'trick' to tune your own =
X-tal.  (found it in a magazine from the VERON)

  Remove the metalcover and place the remains in an oscillator.
  Now it will oscillate on it's original frequency.

  Take an permant marker pen ("Edding, or similar) and put a little =
stripe/line on the X-tal plate.
  You will notice that the frequency goes down a bit.
  Wait a little until the xyleen/alcohol or other stuff that's in the =
paint has gone.....
  By adding more of the ink on the cristal, it will go lower in =
frequency.
  However there is a limit, and there will be a point where the X-tal =
will not start anymore.

  When there is to much ink/paint on the X-tal, you can remove it with =
alcohol or something.

  In this way I managed to tune a 4433,619kHz X-tal down to 4406,4kHz, =
which, divided by 16 give 275,4, which drives my rig.
  275,4 divided by 2 is 137,7kHz!

  I think for this X-tal this is about the limit, maybe 40kHz down, but =
that's probably it.

  But it works!

  A really nice thrick to get those odd X-tal frequencies!

  Dick, PA4VHF
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My xtals are small sealed units, some =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>mal</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
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  =
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, August 19, 2006 =
7:16=20
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: TIP: modifiying =
X-tals</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For those who didn't know, use =
following 'trick'=20
  to tune your own X-tal.&nbsp; (found it in a magazine from the=20
  VERON)</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Remove the metalcover and place the =
remains in an=20
  oscillator.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now it will oscillate on it's =
original=20
  frequency.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Take an permant marker pen ("Edding, =
or similar)=20
  and put a little stripe/line on the X-tal plate.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You will notice that the frequency =
goes down a=20
  bit.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wait a little until the =
xyleen/alcohol or other=20
  stuff that's in the paint has gone.....</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>By adding more of the ink on the =
cristal, it will=20
  go lower in frequency.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>However there is a limit, and there =
will be a=20
  point where the X-tal will not start anymore.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When there is to much ink/paint on =
the X-tal, you=20
  can remove it with alcohol or something.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In this way I managed to tune a =
4433,619kHz X-tal=20
  down to 4406,4kHz, which, divided by 16 give 275,4, which drives my=20
  rig.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>275,4 divided by 2 is =
137,7kHz!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think for this X-tal this is about =
the limit,=20
  maybe 40kHz down, but that's probably it.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But it works!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A really nice thrick to get those odd =
X-tal=20
  frequencies!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick,=20
PA4VHF</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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Well , the tuning is rahter sharp....
I think a possible source of trouble might be the antenna current meter
itself.
It is rather close to the loading coil.
I'm using a metal (!) tube from an old surplus TX which is going through the
core which is used
for measuring the antenna current.
Maybe I have problems with magnetic fields somewhere.
I'll do some tests later.

Now going outside working on the system.

Keep an eye on 136.3kHz for my CW beacon or any tuning etc....maybe QRV in
10 minutes or so.
14-15utc

Dick




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Hi Alan & LF,

I have repaired the PA tonight & during the afternoon I had a look in the
antenna coil box etc, what I found was obviously the cause of the failure.

Possibly due to the hot weather the top of my loading coil container had
sagged & during the recent rain (yesterday) the indent had filled with water
causing a small pool. The other contributing factor was that I must have
disturbed the feeder to the vertical at the top of the coil & it was almost
touching the inside top of the plastic coil box so it had been arcing at
that point to the pool of water & eventually caused the demise of the PA.

The PA last night was running 38 volts at 11 Amps for about 400 watts, the
SWR was virtually 1:1 & no indications of any problem were seen when
periodically checked.

I have now corrected the container problem with a plastic support inside
pushing the top upward in a dome so no water will lodge & re-connected &
re-dressed the feeder wire.

I am going to run some tests & check the coil again whilst live.

I have also sent a copy of this mail to LF to keep others informed.

73

Gary - G4WGT.


-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Melia [mailto:alan.melia@btinternet.com]
Sent: 06 August 2006 22:53
To: Gary - G4WGT
Subject: re PA FET


Hi Gary Yes sorry to hear about the FETs and with no heating of the heat
sink. That suggest either a change in antenna tuning, a flash-over of an
insulator, or maybe a instant of overlapped drive. I guess the FET got a
high voltage....I wonder what you rating is an how big a margin you have,
with the supply voltage you are running. As far as I can make out the min
FET voltage is 4 times the supply voltage, but a mistune can easily exceed
even that. Have a look round the outside for distressed components in
daylight.

I did a quick look at Geoclock and Singapore has quite a good darkness band
I estimated 1930 to 2300z should be possible. Shanghi Is more difficult the
window is only about 1 Hour at present 2130 to 2230z. It will get better of
course from now on into the autumn.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK



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Friends,

The transmitter I have borrowed from Steve, works 24/7 and has an excellent 
output wave form through the scopematch on its way to the antenna.  This amp 
uses a single layer solenoid transformer for its output.

For all the current tests, the dummyload is being used instead.  Scott lent 
me his prototype amp which is designed for a pair of 34NB20 FETs, and I have 
been trying to do what I thought would be a "simple" task... which is to 
build the final output circuit, consisting of  the output transformer, feed 
choke and capacitor bypass.

The problem is that whenever I switch to a rig with an output transformer 
with a TV Horizontal output core, the waveform goes bad.  (Yes, into the 
dummy load!)

I need to paint a word picture of the wave form because I find that whenever 
I try to send even small picture attachments of 30K into the reflector, the 
message is blocked.

Start with a sine wave, flatten both the positive and negative waveform 
peaks.  On each of these flats on the positive and negative half cycles, the 
leading and trailing edges each have a smaller peak with a valley in the 
flat between them.  The peak on the leading edge is a little higher than the 
trailing edge with a slight dip between these peaks.  The closest thing I 
can use to describe one half of the wave form is a two-hump camel back.  The 
opposite half of the waveform is identical to the first with the leading 
peak slightly higher than the one which follows.

The Low Pass Filter,  Scopematch and all its connections are the unchanged 
between the use of the two different amps.

The only variable which I know of is the output transformer, final choke and 
RF bypass capacitor.  Since I suspected the output transformer I have taken 
it apart and rewound it with several windings, on two different cores, all 
suggested by different friends who are technically sound.  There are NO 
insulator disks between the core halves, and at 56 Watts of input the core 
cannot be saturating.  The latest winding matches the Jim Moritz, M0BMU 
alternative for the G0MRF amp on page 77 of LF Today. with taps on the 
output winding to set power output to lower values

As I try different windings I find myself making mistakes and filling the 
burned FET can, so I am doing these experiments with the less expensive 
IRF640s, in Scotts prototype until I get things right.

The current protective circuit does work, is set at its lowest setting and I 
am choosing the low taps and keep the TX current at about 4 amps at 14 Volts 
supply.

Please think about what I could be doing wrong with this simple circuit. 
There may be something I have done wrong with the or to the amp, but I 
cannot imagine what it is.  It is drawing current, and providing output. 
Both FETs have input pulses with the key down.

I am at a loss having spent the last few days trying to get this working.

When the output circuit is fixed, it will be used on a  similar amp to the 
prototype, which I have acquired most of the parts for, and expect to have 
built in the next couple of weeks.  It will have a pair of 34nb20s, and is 
intended to bring the power level up to 1 W ierp, the license limit.  A few 
parts are still needed for an SWR protective circuit with diode OR similar 
to the protection in the G0MRF design.

I realize that this problem has been discussed before, but no solution or 
even cause has been found.  Please brainstorm.  No idea will be considered 
foolish and even if wrong, may give someone a sideways inspiration to a 
structured method of locating and solving the real problem.

Thanks,

J.




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Hi Dick,  I am afraid as probably the nearest UK station to you I see
nothing on my waterfall, even using slow dot mode, all I can see are the
Rugby sidebands at 136.30kHz at 1457z

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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right now with 50W until around 15.15utc



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Hi Alan,
I assume this is Ebay item 110018394886 or 110015625846.

Both certainly have a frequency display in the photo - although the 
instruments look a bit beaten up.
My D2006s are older than this and my K2155 is younger, so I don't know if 
this information is relevant
http://www.m0wye.radiouk.com/K2155.htm
http://www.m0wye.radiouk.com/LF.HTM
On the D2006 you have a coarse frequency control and a fine one. You have to 
move the coarse control to the next MHz step, you get a faint "clunk" from 
inside the instrument, and the "Lock" light illuminates. If the "Lock" light 
is not lit the frequency is undefined.
So it might just be a case of moving the coarse frequency control until the 
loop locks.

On the K2155 there is a switch to turn off the tracking generator and I 
think the frequency display blanks then.

73
Hugh M0WYE



----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hi all, the following appeared on the VLF group, can anyone help, If you
> dont
> have access the the VLF (Yahoo Group) I can post a reply back.
>
> Post message: VLF_Group@yahoogroups.com
>
> Alan G3NYK
>
> ------------------------snip
> Hi All,
>
> I recently purchased a Siemens D2008 Level Meter (Pegelmesser) on eB*y
> with the idea of trying out some VLF experiments.  However, despite the
> unit showing full health in the photos, it has arrived and now only
> displays the decimal point in the freq display.
>
> Before I start any (possibly ugly and protracted) negotiations with the
> vendor, is there anyone on this group with some knowledge of this unit?
>
> Specifically:
>
> 1. Is there anything I need to do, apart from applying power, to get the
> unit into an operational state?
>
> 2. Can anyone suggest what it means to have only the DP lit in the
> frequency display?  Is this a fault condition?
>
> 3. Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the operator / service
> manual?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> Regards,
> David Smith
> VK3HZ
> ------end snip
>
>
>
> 



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I etched my crystals with hydrofluoric (not hydrochloric) acid.This acid is extremely dangerous and deadly. It can only be stored in raw rubber bottles or bottles coated inside with bees wax (not synthetic). You are not likely to be able to buy it anywhere without a permit, fortunately. A little less deadly is phosphoric acid but it is much slower in action. You can grind crystals on a flat glass panel with a little of very fine carborundum powder mixed to a paste with paraffin. Rub gently pressing with one finger describing a letter 8. You can also gring  the crystal plate edgewise. A little at a time does the trick but it is tedious work.
  Good luck  de Lech G3KAU

Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be> wrote: 
  I even used sandpaper to make the quarz thinner and thus increase the 
frequency. That worked sometimes up to 10%.

73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting riese-k3djc@juno.com:

> In the ol days we would use a pencil or rub a bit of solder on the face
> real hams used ? acid to etch and raise the frequency,, I dont remember
> what the acid was but the local chemical company would sell a bit
>
> drill a hole in the mount face, tap it and use a screw to apply
> pressure and move the frequency around
>
> Bob K3DJC
>
>
> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:16:13 +0200 "Dick" writes:
> For those who didn't know, use following 'trick' to tune your own X-tal.
> (found it in a magazine from the VERON)
>
> Take an permant marker pen ("Edding, or similar) and put a little
> stripe/line on the X-tal plate.
> You will notice that the frequency goes down a bit.



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<div>I etched my crystals with hydrofluoric (not hydrochloric)&nbsp;acid.This acid is extremely dangerous and deadly. It can only be stored in raw rubber bottles or bottles coated inside with bees wax (not synthetic). You are not likely to be able to buy it anywhere without a permit, fortunately. A little less deadly is phosphoric acid but it is much slower in action. You can grind crystals on a flat glass panel with a little of very fine carborundum powder mixed to a paste with paraffin. Rub gently pressing with one finger describing a letter 8. You can also gring&nbsp; the crystal plate edgewise. A little at a time does the trick but it is tedious work.</div>  <div>Good luck&nbsp; de Lech G3KAU<BR><BR><B><I>Rik Strobbe &lt;Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be&gt;</I></B> wrote: </div>  <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">I even used sandpaper to make the quarz thinner and thus increase the <BR>frequency. That worked
 sometimes up to 10%.<BR><BR>73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T<BR><BR>Quoting riese-k3djc@juno.com:<BR><BR>&gt; In the ol days we would use a pencil or rub a bit of solder on the face<BR>&gt; real hams used ? acid to etch and raise the frequency,, I dont remember<BR>&gt; what the acid was but the local chemical company would sell a bit<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; drill a hole in the mount face, tap it and use a screw to apply<BR>&gt; pressure and move the frequency around<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Bob K3DJC<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:16:13 +0200 "Dick" <KNAAP159@ZONNET.NL>writes:<BR>&gt; For those who didn't know, use following 'trick' to tune your own X-tal.<BR>&gt; (found it in a magazine from the VERON)<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Take an permant marker pen ("Edding, or similar) and put a little<BR>&gt; stripe/line on the X-tal plate.<BR>&gt; You will notice that the frequency goes down a bit.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm<BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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Hi All,
I have successfully used this method to retune 27MHz radio control crystals 
to produce a couple of channel frequencies around 433.500 MHz (when 
multiplied by 16).
I used a pencil rubbed gently on the surface of the crystal.

The crystal cans were of the "solder seal" type and all you had to do was 
heat the case of the crystal with the tip of a soldering iron, and the lid 
would come off. Unfortunately modern crystal cases are welded, and I have 
not been able to get in without destrying the crystal element. (Anyone know 
any tricks here ?)

I found it quite educational, because it make you realise that a crystal 
frequency is determined by a mechanical resonance. Adding mass to the 
surface lowers the resonance.
Nice to see it happen before your eyes.

73
Hugh M0WYE


  On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:16:13 +0200 "Dick" <knaap159@zonnet.nl> writes:
    For those who didn't know, use following 'trick' to tune your own X-tal. 
(found it in a magazine from the VERON)

    Take an permant marker pen ("Edding, or similar) and put a little 
stripe/line on the X-tal plate.
    You will notice that the frequency goes down a bit. 



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Figure of 8 is quite right ,The trick was to cut a shallow shape in the face
of a large cork to hold the crystal and to to cushion it . Also to finish
with what used to be called "Jewellers Rouge". A fine 'powder' being called
a 'flour' I believe.

Bryan [ older than one might think   ;-((   ] G3GVB


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> Hi All,
>
> When I built my first xtal controlled Tx (2 Metres) I changed the
> frequencies of xtals for the oscillator using very fine carborundum paste
&
> rubbed the quartz slice in a figure of 8 movement on a flat surface, this
> was successful exept when putting too much pressure & breaking the tiny
> slice. The quartz slice probably can't be removed from the encapsulations
> today to use this method.
>
> 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of
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> Sent: 19 August 2006 21:39
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>
>
> In the ol days we would use a pencil or rub a bit of solder on the face
> real hams used ? acid to etch and raise the frequency,, I dont remember
> what the acid was but the local chemical company would sell a bit
>
> drill a hole in the mount face, tap it and use a screw to apply
> pressure and move the frequency around
>
> Bob K3DJC
>
>
> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:16:13 +0200 "Dick" <knaap159@zonnet.nl> writes:
>   For those who didn't know, use following 'trick' to tune your own X-tal.
> (found it in a magazine from the VERON)
>
>   Take an permant marker pen ("Edding, or similar) and put a little
> stripe/line on the X-tal plate.
>   You will notice that the frequency goes down a bit.
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I work the FT-243 Xtals and similars with ammonical bifluoride acid =
(FH-FNH4), much less aggressive that the fluorhydric acid (FH)

I utilize two disolutions marked as 5khz/10_min and 1,5khz/30_min. This =
is a reference, therefore each Xtal takes the velocity that desires him.

At each one, must do attack velocity test.  When you approach the =
frequency desired, the bath should be of more short term and whit  =
measurement.
To bathe the Xtal, I utilize pincers of revealed photographics, wing =
that have carried out channels filed near the tip for take the Xtal so =
that the flat faces remain free for the attack of the acid.

My record of variation of a Xtal of 8 mhz is 403 khz  obtaineds in 10 =
days of baths.
                             8.377  to  8.780,8  =3D>  137,200

If we have passed ourselves in frequency, at Xtal "injured", applies him =
itsel, "mercury-chrome" whit a human air.  ( Edding pen?)

If the bath, as been long-term, is possible that the Xtal to stop =
oscilating.   In this case, to smooth the surface, I utilize abrasive =
paste of "corindon-corundum". Also is worth te dentifrice-paste.  As =
base of support, I utilize a piece of flat glass.

The flask of the disolutions should be of special plastic for chemitry. =
The fluorhydric acids (also the bifluoride),  they attack the glass.

A 20% of my Xtals they have died in the operation, well because in the =
in the maneuvers of dismantling-assemblyng, they have broken itself or =
because to stop oscillating and there is not form to resurrect them.

Each time that there is a session of bath, one must wash the Xtal with =
soap and running water and to dry it with absorbent paper.

A lot of attention, therefore we are working with higly corrosive =
material.=20
=20
Federico   EA2HB

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 10:38 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: TIP: modifiying X-tals


  In the ol days we would use a pencil or rub a bit of solder on the =
face
  real hams used ? acid to etch and raise the frequency,, I dont =
remember
  what the acid was but the local chemical company would sell a bit

  drill a hole in the mount face, tap it and use a screw to apply
  pressure and move the frequency around

  Bob K3DJC=20


  On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:16:13 +0200 "Dick" <knaap159@zonnet.nl> writes:
    For those who didn't know, use following 'trick' to tune your own =
X-tal.  (found it in a magazine from the VERON)

    Take an permant marker pen ("Edding, or similar) and put a little =
stripe/line on the X-tal plate.
    You will notice that the frequency goes down a bit.
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>At each one, must do attack velocity =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>To bathe the Xtal, I utilize pincers of =
revealed=20
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for take=20
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air.&nbsp;=20
( Edding pen?)</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If the bath, as been long-term, is =
possible that=20
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surface, I=20
utilize abrasive paste of "corindon-corundum". Also is worth te=20
dentifrice-paste.&nbsp; </FONT><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>As base of =
support, I=20
utilize a piece of flat glass.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The flask of the disolutions should be =
of special=20
plastic for chemitry. The fluorhydric acids (also the bifluoride),&nbsp; =
they=20
attack the glass.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A 20% of my Xtals they have died in the =
operation,=20
well because in the in the maneuvers of dismantling-assemblyng, they =
have broken=20
itself or because to stop oscillating and there is not form to resurrect =

them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Each time that there is a session of =
bath, one must=20
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paper.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A lot of attention, therefore we are =
working with=20
higly corrosive material.</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Federico&nbsp;&nbsp; EA2HB</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: TIP: =
modifiying=20
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>In the ol days we would use a pencil or rub a bit of solder on =
the=20
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  <DIV>real hams used ? acid to etch and raise the frequency,, I dont=20
  remember</DIV>
  <DIV>what the acid was but the local chemical company would =
sell&nbsp;a=20
  bit</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>drill a hole in the mount face, tap it and use a screw to =
apply</DIV>
  <DIV>pressure and move the frequency around</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>Bob K3DJC&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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the=20
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The acid mentioned in a earlier posting was Hydrofluoric acid, a very
dangerous acid, not because of its strength but of the way it attacks the
skin. The use of this is not to be undertaken likely, despite the fact I
believe it was used for cleaning stone buildings of grime. I guess that was
before all the Heath and Safety legislation.

With sealed crystal units the final trim is usually based on the weight of
metal electrode evaporated in vacuum onto the quartz surface. Some change in
frequency can be made bt thickening or reducing the electode....electrolytic
plating of copper on was suggested at one time, though I have not tried
it....the use of gold plating solutions is also highly dangerous !!  It is
probably cheaper in peace of mind if nothing else to shell out for a custom
rock, because any of these processes with compromise the stability and aging
rate of the unit.

With old FT-243 and 10X holders I recollect that a proprietary brand of
abrasive cleaner was found to be quite effective (Vim or Ajax in the UK ).
All but the finest grades of carborundem (emery ..Aluminium oxide  is
better) can result in the blank quickly losing parallelism and ceasing to
oscillate.

For larger movements it is better to lap several blanks of the same start
frequency simultaneously by "wringing" them down on a glass plate with hot
candle wax and then lapping them against another piece of plate glass. It is
possible to move them 500kHz without losing activity this way.

Great fun, but quite frustrating sometimes as the desired rock would lose
activity just as you got it near to the required frequency !

Cheers de Alan G3NYK




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Hi All,

When I built my first xtal controlled Tx (2 Metres) I changed the
frequencies of xtals for the oscillator using very fine carborundum paste &
rubbed the quartz slice in a figure of 8 movement on a flat surface, this
was successful exept when putting too much pressure & breaking the tiny
slice. The quartz slice probably can't be removed from the encapsulations
today to use this method.

73

Gary - G4WGT.

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In the ol days we would use a pencil or rub a bit of solder on the face
real hams used ? acid to etch and raise the frequency,, I dont remember
what the acid was but the local chemical company would sell a bit

drill a hole in the mount face, tap it and use a screw to apply
pressure and move the frequency around

Bob K3DJC


On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:16:13 +0200 "Dick" <knaap159@zonnet.nl> writes:
  For those who didn't know, use following 'trick' to tune your own X-tal.
(found it in a magazine from the VERON)

  Take an permant marker pen ("Edding, or similar) and put a little
stripe/line on the X-tal plate.
  You will notice that the frequency goes down a bit.

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<DIV><SPAN class=3D625524509-20082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>When I=20
built my first xtal controlled Tx (2 Metres) I changed&nbsp;the =
frequencies of=20
xtals&nbsp;for the oscillator&nbsp;using very fine carborundum paste =
&amp;=20
rubbed the quartz slice&nbsp;in a figure of 8 movement on a flat =
surface, this=20
was successful exept when putting too much pressure &amp; breaking the =
tiny=20
slice. The quartz slice probably can't be removed from the =
encapsulations today=20
to use this method.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3D625524509-20082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff =
size=3D2>Gary -=20
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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: TIP: modifiying=20
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<DIV>In the ol days we would use a pencil or rub a bit of solder on the=20
face</DIV>
<DIV>real hams used ? acid to etch and raise the frequency,, I dont=20
remember</DIV>
<DIV>what the acid was but the local chemical company would sell&nbsp;a=20
bit</DIV>
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<DIV>drill a hole in the mount face, tap it and use a screw to =
apply</DIV>
<DIV>pressure and move the frequency around</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Bob K3DJC&nbsp;</DIV>
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<DIV>On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:16:13 +0200 "Dick" &lt;<A=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For those who didn't know, use =
following 'trick'=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Take an permant marker pen ("Edding, =
or similar)=20
  and put a little stripe/line on the X-tal plate.</FONT></DIV>
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I even used sandpaper to make the quarz thinner and thus increase the  
frequency. That worked sometimes up to 10%.

73, Rik  ON7YD - OR7T

Quoting riese-k3djc@juno.com:

> In the ol days we would use a pencil or rub a bit of solder on the face
> real hams used ? acid to etch and raise the frequency,, I dont remember
> what the acid was but the local chemical company would sell a bit
>
> drill a hole in the mount face, tap it and use a screw to apply
> pressure and move the frequency around
>
> Bob K3DJC
>
>
> On Sat, 19 Aug 2006 21:16:13 +0200 "Dick" <knaap159@zonnet.nl> writes:
> For those who didn't know, use following 'trick' to tune your own X-tal.
> (found it in a magazine from the VERON)
>
> Take an permant marker pen ("Edding, or similar) and put a little
> stripe/line on the X-tal plate.
> You will notice that the frequency goes down a bit.



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In the ol days we would use a pencil or rub a bit of solder on the face
real hams used ? acid to etch and raise the frequency,, I dont remember
what the acid was but the local chemical company would sell a bit

drill a hole in the mount face, tap it and use a screw to apply
pressure and move the frequency around

Bob K3DJC 


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For those who didn't know, use following 'trick' to tune your own X-tal. 
(found it in a magazine from the VERON)

Take an permant marker pen ("Edding, or similar) and put a little
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<DIV>In the ol days we would use a pencil or rub a bit of solder on the=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>drill a hole in the mount face, tap it and use a screw to apply</DIV>
<DIV>pressure and move the frequency around</DIV>
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<DIV>Bob K3DJC&nbsp;</DIV>
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For those who didn't know, use following 'trick' to tune your own X-tal. =
 (found it in a magazine from the VERON)

Remove the metalcover and place the remains in an oscillator.
Now it will oscillate on it's original frequency.

Take an permant marker pen ("Edding, or similar) and put a little =
stripe/line on the X-tal plate.
You will notice that the frequency goes down a bit.
Wait a little until the xyleen/alcohol or other stuff that's in the =
paint has gone.....
By adding more of the ink on the cristal, it will go lower in frequency.
However there is a limit, and there will be a point where the X-tal will =
not start anymore.

When there is to much ink/paint on the X-tal, you can remove it with =
alcohol or something.

In this way I managed to tune a 4433,619kHz X-tal down to 4406,4kHz, =
which, divided by 16 give 275,4, which drives my rig.
275,4 divided by 2 is 137,7kHz!

I think for this X-tal this is about the limit, maybe 40kHz down, but =
that's probably it.

But it works!

A really nice thrick to get those odd X-tal frequencies!

Dick, PA4VHF
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Remove the metalcover and place the =
remains in an=20
oscillator.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Now it will oscillate on it's original=20
frequency.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Take an permant marker pen ("Edding, or =
similar)=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You will notice that the frequency goes =
down a=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Wait a little until the xyleen/alcohol =
or other=20
stuff that's in the paint has gone.....</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>By adding more of the ink on the =
cristal, it will=20
go lower in frequency.</FONT></DIV>
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will be a point=20
where the X-tal will not start anymore.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When there is to much ink/paint on the =
X-tal, you=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>In this way I managed to tune a =
4433,619kHz X-tal=20
down to 4406,4kHz, which, divided by 16 give 275,4, which drives my=20
rig.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>275,4 divided by 2 is =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I think for this X-tal this is about =
the limit,=20
maybe 40kHz down, but that's probably it.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But it works!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>A really nice thrick to get those odd =
X-tal=20
frequencies!</FONT></DIV>
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Dear Laurence, LF Group,

There also appears to be someone on about 136.3211kHz - not audible here =
under a lot of QRN, but visible here in the gaps in my transmission.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
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Mal,

I am pretty sure from looking at the illustration in my RS catalogue that 
the Decca 5501 module socket is the same as RS socket part number 447-112.
   I will however have a look if there is one still lurking around in the 
cupboard in the Crawley Clubhouse during meeting next Wednesday.

  73,  Derek Atter  G3GRO

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> Does anyone know where I can get a 24 pin decca 5501 module socket. I need
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Hi Dick,
 
If as you say, this experiment could disrupt worldwide HF communications  and 
broadcasting for perhaps a week by what right should they be allowed to do  
the work?
 
The results would impinge on nations not involved in their satellite sytems  
and could potentially cause severe damage to commerce together with potential  
disruption to a great many activities which rely on HF communications. 
 
Without the prior agreement of ALL nations who use HF spectrum surely this  
could be construed as an act of aggression by the perpetrators on all  
non-participants!
 
I am not knowledgable enough on the subject but I would also feel strongly  
that there must be the fullest possible discussion internationally before 
anyone  starts mucking about with the earths radiation belts regardless of what 
they say  happens from time to time naturally. There are far too many "experts" 
out there  mucking about with this planet' eco systems already!
 
Don't forget, some of the governments involved have been more than happy in  
the past to hide from us the fact that smoking is dangerous to health while  
sucking up all the tax revenues they can lay their hands on!
 
By the way, if they do this by generating some kind of massive EM pulse at  
LF wii we be able to claim compensation for any damage caused to our  equipment?
 
A plague on all their houses I say !
 
73 de pat g4gvw es gd dx  

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To All from PA0SE

A friend of mine drew my attention to the following rather alarming message:

>>Van: ARRL Web site [mailto:memberlist@www.arrl.org]
>>Verzonden: woensdag 16 augustus 2006 15:31
>>Aan: pa3alg@xs4all.nl
>>CC: Subscribed ARRL Members:
>>Onderwerp: ARLP033 Propagation de K7RA
>>
>>SB PROP ARL ARLP033
>>ARLP033 Propagation de K7RA
>>
>>This is a special early edition of the propagation bulletin, three
>>days before the regular Friday publication schedule.  The regular
>>bulletin will appear on Friday, August 18.
>>
>>A newspaper article on Monday out of New Zealand reported a proposed
>>Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) project that could
>>cause major worldwide disruptions to HF radio communication and GPS
>>navigation.  The ''Radiation Belt Remediation'' (RBR) system is
>>envisaged as a method for protecting low earth orbit (LEO)
>>satellites from damage caused by high altitude nuclear detonations
>>or severe solar storms.  Testing the system would use extremely high
>>intensity very low frequency (VLF) radio waves to flush particles
>>from radiation belts and dump them into the upper atmosphere.
>>
>>When I first heard of this on Monday morning, I thought it must be
>>something from a fringe web site peddling dark conspiracy theories.
>>But the newspaper reporting the news is real, and so is the team of
>>scientists from New Zealand, the UK and Finland whose study of
>>possible effects of the scheme is reported in a recent edition of
>>Annales Geophysicae.
>>
>>You can find the article here:
>>
>>http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/research/space/ag-24-2025.pdf
>>
>>A web page from the University of Otago describing the research is
>>here:
>>
>>http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/research/space/RBR_Media_release_8Aug06.htm
>>
>>I contacted the lead researcher on the team reporting the possible
>>effects of the project, Dr. Craig Rodger of the Physics Department
>>at the University of Otago in Dunedin, New Zealand.  He proved very
>>cooperative, accessible and helpful, and told me RBR is a serious
>>project, ''money is starting to appear to investigate it in more
>>detail'', and ''U.S. scientists with military connections are treating
>>it seriously''.
>>
>>It is feared that testing the system could shut down worldwide HF
>>communications for several days to a week, rendering the ionosphere
>>a giant sponge for RF.
>>
>>I sent Dr. Rodger a comment from Ward Silver, N0AX, who speculated
>>''the sheer energy needed to accomplish it would tend to rule it out
>>from the start, and I don't know where they would erect the
>>necessary antennas.''
>>
>>Dr. Rodger responded, ''This would be true, but they are hoping to
>>rely on some of the non-linear processes in space plasmas, stealing
>>the energy from the radiation belts to get the wave-amplitudes high
>>enough.  We know this is possible (in theory), as it happens
>>naturally already.  We don't know how easy it will be to get it
>>happening under our control''.
>>
>>''Also, as for erecting the antenna, there are two plans.  One is to
>>fly VLF antenna in space.  This could be a power problem.  But for
>>ground-based systems, you probably already know that most major
>>naval powers have big VLF transmitters dotted over the globe.  (Two
>>of the US Navy transmitters radiate one megawatt).  While these are
>>designed to keep the signals mostly under the ionosphere, it shows
>>the possibility for building big powerful antenna''.
>>
>>You can read Monday's article from the New Zealand Herald, here:
>>
>>http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1ObjectID=10396164
>>
>>If you would like to make a comment or have a tip for our readers,
>>email the author at, k7ra@arrl.net.
>>
>>
>>
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<font size=3>To All from PA0SE<br><br>
A friend of mine drew my attention to the following rather alarming
message:<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Van:
ARRL Web site
[<a href="mailto:memberlist@www.arrl.org" eudora="autourl">mailto:memberlist@www.arrl.org</a>]<br>
Verzonden: woensdag 16 augustus 2006 15:31<br>
Aan: pa3alg@xs4all.nl<br>
CC: Subscribed ARRL Members:<br>
Onderwerp: ARLP033 Propagation de K7RA<br><br>
SB PROP ARL ARLP033<br>
ARLP033 Propagation de K7RA<br><br>
This is a special early edition of the propagation bulletin, three<br>
days before the regular Friday publication schedule.&nbsp; The
regular<br>
bulletin will appear on Friday, August 18.<br><br>
A newspaper article on Monday out of New Zealand reported a 
proposed<br>
Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) project that 
could<br>
cause major worldwide disruptions to HF radio communication and GPS<br>
navigation.&nbsp; The ''Radiation Belt Remediation'' (RBR) system 
is<br>
envisaged as a method for protecting low earth orbit (LEO)<br>
satellites from damage caused by high altitude nuclear detonations<br>
or severe solar storms.&nbsp; Testing the system would use extremely
high<br>
intensity very low frequency (VLF) radio waves to flush particles<br>
from radiation belts and dump them into the upper atmosphere.<br><br>
When I first heard of this on Monday morning, I thought it must be<br>
something from a fringe web site peddling dark conspiracy theories.<br>
But the newspaper reporting the news is real, and so is the team of<br>
scientists from New Zealand, the UK and Finland whose study of<br>
possible effects of the scheme is reported in a recent edition of<br>
Annales Geophysicae.<br><br>
You can find the article here:<br><br>
<a href="http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/research/space/ag-24-2025.pdf" eudora="autourl">http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/research/space/ag-24-2025.pdf</a><br><br>
A web page from the University of Otago describing the research is<br>
here:<br><br>
<a href="http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/research/space/RBR_Media_release_8Aug06.htm" eudora="autourl">http://www.physics.otago.ac.nz/research/space/RBR_Media_release_8Aug06.htm</a><br><br>
I contacted the lead researcher on the team reporting the possible<br>
effects of the project, Dr. Craig Rodger of the Physics Department<br>
at the University of Otago in Dunedin, New Zealand.&nbsp; He proved
very<br>
cooperative, accessible and helpful, and told me RBR is a serious<br>
project, ''money is starting to appear to investigate it in more<br>
detail'', and ''U.S. scientists with military connections are
treating<br>
it seriously''.<br><br>
It is feared that testing the system could shut down worldwide HF<br>
communications for several days to a week, rendering the ionosphere<br>
a giant sponge for RF.<br><br>
I sent Dr. Rodger a comment from Ward Silver, N0AX, who speculated<br>
''the sheer energy needed to accomplish it would tend to rule it 
out<br>
from the start, and I don't know where they would erect the<br>
necessary antennas.''<br><br>
Dr. Rodger responded, ''This would be true, but they are hoping to<br>
rely on some of the non-linear processes in space plasmas, stealing<br>
the energy from the radiation belts to get the wave-amplitudes high<br>
enough.&nbsp; We know this is possible (in theory), as it happens<br>
naturally already.&nbsp; We don't know how easy it will be to get 
it<br>
happening under our control''.<br><br>
''Also, as for erecting the antenna, there are two plans.&nbsp; One is
to<br>
fly VLF antenna in space.&nbsp; This could be a power problem.&nbsp; But
for<br>
ground-based systems, you probably already know that most major<br>
naval powers have big VLF transmitters dotted over the globe.&nbsp;
(Two<br>
of the US Navy transmitters radiate one megawatt).&nbsp; While these
are<br>
designed to keep the signals mostly under the ionosphere, it shows<br>
the possibility for building big powerful antenna''.<br><br>
You can read Monday's article from the New Zealand Herald, 
here:<br><br>
<a href="http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1ObjectID=10396164" eudora="autourl">http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story.cfm?c_id=1ObjectID=10396164</a><br><br>
If you would like to make a comment or have a tip for our readers,<br>
email the author at, k7ra@arrl.net.<br><br>
<br><br>
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Laurence

54KHz MFSK is likely NPG as it is on, the 135.93 freq is presently 
inactive.  I make the lower freq of it here at ~55.46KHz +50Hz for the 
upper component.

CKN continues to idle on 133.1KHz and 76.2KHz.

I guess I should finish my mini-whip!

73 Scott


Laurence KL1X wrote:
> Gary thanks - this pulsing is Im pretty sure a data sig - It resides 
> on 134.1 Khz and has a fade pattern, but so do local sources so Im 
> still not sure. Ill check during the heat of the day -
>  
> Ive lashed  up the mini whip and the concierge here at the hotel 
> managed to find me a short length of 30mm diam white pipe - ok I dont 
> have the end caps but tape covers the open end and the bottom is open 
> to the air here. Its being hosted on one of those 20 bucks 8m long 
> fishing poles.
>  
> First impressions are - good, real good. No Imod  (but there arent any 
> big MW stations here) and a lot better than my bottom loaded wire - 
> getting the cap up high really has improved the s/n - I again 
> decoupled the incoming thin coax to the frame and that knocked off the 
> crud. I guess I have the device about ten feet above the roof.
>  
> The only difference to the  original design is a slightly longer (cap) 
> aerial, added another few cms there,  and the inter-stage coupling 
> increased to 680pF from 560pF, only because thats what they have and 
> not to improve the LF side
>  
> I can hear JJY on 40, weakly at the moment, and  60Khz, Loran is S9+, 
> mfsk on 54Khz (s9)  background night-time sits at around S5 with 
> tstorm peaks to 9+10 - this is with the R75 with no pre amps on - a 
> lot of drive, but not overly so - but it looks good, and Ill drag this 
> round as my aerial of choice in the future -   Ok ill have to add them 
> end caps to keep the water out, but that can wait for a day.
>  
> Build time was 1.5 hours from the first attempt at cutting the single 
> sided board with a hacksaw!
>
> My thanks to PA0RDT -  Ill monitor DCF39 overnight and the EU 136Khz 
> window but I think we are still a little disturbed (radio wise)
>  
> Laurence G4DMA in 9V1
>
>
>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>     From: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk
>     To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>     Date: Wed, 9 Aug 2006 09:55:20 +0100
>     Subject: LF: RE: Tstorms in Singapore (no surprise there)
>
>     Hi Laurence,
>      
>     I have looked at my freq lists & there are 2 Datatrak frequencies
>     shown nearby at 133.20KHz in UK & 133.24KHz in Argentina, having
>     listened to the UK one it seems to have a sort of pulsing warble.
>      
>     Pleased you managed to get the mini-whip parts, I think it is so
>     good I am mainly using it instead og the G3LNP loop beacauce its
>     not as restricted on frequency coverage & so small.
>      
>     73
>      
>     Gary - G4WGT
>      
>      
>     -----Original Message-----
>     *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>     [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]*On Behalf Of *Laurence
>     KL1X
>     *Sent:* 09 August 2006 03:42
>     *To:* lowfer@lwca.org; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>     *Subject:* LF: Tstorms in Singapore (no surprise there)
>
>     Its Singapore's national day (41 years on 9th Aug) and we have had
>     natural fireworks here as well as man made, so I took the
>     lightning aiming point off the top of the hotel roof until the bad
>     weather passes. The vertical is some 20ft above the highest
>     lightning rod and I cant afford the law suit.  As well as that LF
>     is poorer than off late and Ive lost some of my longer range ndb
>     markers -
>      
>     Scott - I have a birdie on 133.1 Khz  or so, warbles away most of
>     the time but I dont think its that Canadian - suspect some
>     controller somewhere here.  
>      
>     Managed to get all the bits for the PAORDT  Mini-whip
>     here including the 2N5106's, but again I had to go to all the
>     components shops at the Mecca for all radio hams the Sim Lim
>     area .. 4 sing dollars each. J310 50 cents sing  (1.5 sing to 1 usd)
>      
>     73
>     Laurence OJ11
>     (we get a day off work)
>
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Gary thanks - this pulsing is Im pretty sure a data sig - It resides on 134=
.1 Khz and has a fade pattern, but so do local sources so Im still not sure=
. Ill check during the heat of the day -=20
=20
Ive lashed  up the mini whip and the concierge here at the hotel managed to=
 find me a short length of 30mm diam white pipe - ok I dont have the end ca=
ps but tape covers the open end and the bottom is open to the air here. Its=
 being hosted on one of those 20 bucks 8m long fishing poles.
=20
First impressions are - good, real good. No Imod  (but there arent any big =
MW stations here) and a lot better than my bottom loaded wire - getting the=
 cap up high really has improved the s/n - I again decoupled the incoming t=
hin coax to the frame and that knocked off the crud. I guess I have the dev=
ice about ten feet above the roof.
=20
The only difference to the  original design is a slightly longer (cap) aeri=
al, added another few cms there,  and the inter-stage coupling increased to=
 680pF from 560pF, only because thats what they have and not to improve the=
 LF side
=20
I can hear JJY on 40, weakly at the moment, and  60Khz, Loran is S9+, mfsk =
on 54Khz (s9)  background night-time sits at around S5 with tstorm peaks to=
 9+10 - this is with the R75 with no pre amps on - a lot of drive, but not =
overly so - but it looks good, and Ill drag this round as my aerial of choi=
ce in the future -   Ok ill have to add them end caps to keep the water out=
, but that can wait for a day.
=20
Build time was 1.5 hours from the first attempt at cutting the single sided=
 board with a hacksaw!My thanks to PA0RDT -  Ill monitor DCF39 overnight an=
d the EU 136Khz window but I think we are still a little disturbed (radio w=
ise)
=20
Laurence G4DMA in 9V1


From: g4wgt@tiscali.co.ukTo: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgDate: Wed, 9 Aug 2=
006 09:55:20 +0100Subject: LF: RE: Tstorms in Singapore (no surprise there)



Hi Laurence,
=20
I have looked at my freq lists & there are 2 Datatrak frequencies shown nea=
rby at 133.20KHz in UK & 133.24KHz in Argentina, having listened to the UK =
one it seems to have a sort of pulsing warble.
=20
Pleased you managed to get the mini-whip parts, I think it is so good I am =
mainly using it instead og the G3LNP loop beacauce its not as restricted on=
 frequency coverage & so small.
=20
73
=20
Gary - G4WGT
=20
=20
-----Original Message-----From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:=
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Laurence KL1XSent: 09 Augus=
t 2006 03:42To: lowfer@lwca.org; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.orgSubject: LF: T=
storms in Singapore (no surprise there)Its Singapore's national day (41 yea=
rs on 9th Aug) and we have had natural fireworks here as well as man made, =
so I took the lightning aiming point off the top of the hotel roof until th=
e bad weather passes. The vertical is some 20ft above the highest lightning=
 rod and I cant afford the law suit.  As well as that LF is poorer than off=
 late and Ive lost some of my longer range ndb markers - Scott - I have a b=
irdie on 133.1 Khz  or so, warbles away most of the time but I dont think i=
ts that Canadian - suspect some controller somewhere here.   Managed to get=
 all the bits for the PAORDT  Mini-whip here including the 2N5106's, but ag=
ain I had to go to all the components shops at the Mecca for all radio hams=
 the Sim Lim area .. 4 sing dollars each. J310 50 cents sing  (1.5 sing to =
1 usd) 73Laurence OJ11(we get a day off work)

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&nbsp;<BR>
Ive lashed&nbsp;&nbsp;up the mini whip and the concierge here at the hotel =
managed to find me a short length of 30mm diam white pipe - ok I dont have =
the end caps but tape covers the open end and the bottom is open to the air=
 here. Its being hosted on one of those 20 bucks 8m long fishing poles.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
First impressions are - good, real good. No Imod&nbsp; (but there arent any=
 big MW stations here) and a lot better than my bottom loaded&nbsp;wire - g=
etting the cap up high really has improved the s/n - I again decoupled the =
incoming thin coax to the frame and that knocked off the crud. I guess I ha=
ve the device about ten feet above the roof.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
The only difference to the&nbsp;&nbsp;original design is a slightly longer =
(cap) aerial, added another few <FONT>cms there, </FONT>&nbsp;and the inter=
-stage coupling increased to <FONT>680pF from 560pF, only because thats wha=
t they have and not to improve the LF side</FONT><BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
I can hear JJY on 40, weakly at the moment, and&nbsp; 60Khz, Loran is S9+, =
mfsk on 54Khz (s9) &nbsp;background night-time sits at around <FONT>S5 with=
 tstorm peaks to&nbsp;9+10</FONT>&nbsp;- this is with the R75 with no pre a=
mps on -&nbsp;a lot of drive,&nbsp;but&nbsp;not overly so&nbsp;- but it loo=
ks good, and Ill drag this round as my aerial of choice in the future - &nb=
sp;&nbsp;Ok ill have to add them end caps to keep the water out, but that c=
an wait for a day.<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Build time was 1.5 hours from the first attempt at cutting the single sided=
 board with a hacksaw!<BR><BR>My thanks to PA0RDT -&nbsp; Ill monitor DCF39=
 overnight and the EU 136Khz window but I think we are still a little distu=
rbed (radio wise)<BR>
&nbsp;<BR>
Laurence G4DMA in 9V1<BR><BR><BR><BR>
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From: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Date: Wed,=
 9 Aug 2006 09:55:20 +0100<BR>Subject: LF: RE: Tstorms in Singapore (no sur=
prise there)<BR><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_265205008-09082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
>Hi Laurence,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_265205008-09082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_265205008-09082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
>I have looked at my freq lists &amp; there are 2 Datatrak frequencies show=
n nearby at 133.20KHz in UK &amp; 133.24KHz in Argentina, having listened t=
o the UK one it&nbsp;seems to have a sort of pulsing warble.</FONT></SPAN><=
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<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_265205008-09082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_265205008-09082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
>Pleased you managed to get the mini-whip parts, I think it is so good I am=
 mainly using it instead og the G3LNP loop beacauce its not as restricted o=
n frequency coverage &amp; so small.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_265205008-09082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_265205008-09082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
>73</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_265205008-09082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_265205008-09082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
>Gary - G4WGT</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_265205008-09082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=3DEC_265205008-09082006><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff=
></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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homa>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksh=
eep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Laur=
ence KL1X<BR><B>Sent:</B> 09 August 2006 03:42<BR><B>To:</B> lowfer@lwca.or=
g; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: Tstorms in Singapore=
 (no surprise there)<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>Its Singapore's national day (41 y=
ears on 9th Aug) and we have had natural fireworks here as well as man made=
, so I took the lightning aiming point off the top of the hotel roof until =
the bad weather passes. The vertical is some 20ft above the highest lightni=
ng rod and I cant afford the law suit. &nbsp;As well as that LF is poorer t=
han off late and Ive lost some of my longer range ndb markers -<BR>&nbsp;<B=
R>Scott - I have a birdie on 133.1 Khz &nbsp;or so, warbles away most of th=
e time but I dont think its&nbsp;that Canadian - suspect some controller so=
mewhere here.&nbsp;&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Managed to get all the bits for the =
PAORDT &nbsp;Mini-whip here&nbsp;including the 2N5106's, but again I had to=
 go to all the components shops at the Mecca for all radio hams the Sim Lim=
 area&nbsp;.. 4 sing dollars each. J310 50 cents sing&nbsp; (1.5 sing to 1 =
usd)<BR>&nbsp;<BR>73<BR>Laurence OJ11<BR>(we get a day off work)<BR><BR>
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