From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210098979556746811 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 5ec8133bc1c604f3a9b2558128ab8fb357cf6eac Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs323931qbh; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:45:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.235.13 with SMTP id i13mr114125nfh; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c1si3985342nfe.2006.07.27.15.45.16; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:45:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G6Ea6-0005Ss-Ky for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:43:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G6Ea6-0005Sj-3C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:43:50 +0100 Received: from smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl ([213.51.130.201]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G6Ea0-0004OP-Te for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:43:49 +0100 Received: from [213.51.130.189] (port=59356 helo=smtp2.groni1.gr.home.nl) by smtpq2.groni1.gr.home.nl with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1G6FAk-0008Am-F6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:21:42 +0200 Received: from cp926057-a.landg1.lb.home.nl ([84.25.138.105]:1266 helo=pc2) by smtp2.groni1.gr.home.nl with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1G6EXv-0000w9-RO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:41:35 +0200 Message-ID: <002501c6b1cd$e6cbdd50$0401a8c0@pc2> From: "jack" To: Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:42:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-AtHome-MailScanner-Information: Neem contact op met support@home.nl voor meer informatie X-AtHome-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.785,HTML_90_100=0.189,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: disconnected Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0020_01C6B1DE.A4F3E060" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4749 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C6B1DE.A4F3E060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable please no more mail ------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C6B1DE.A4F3E060 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0020_01C6B1DE.A4F3E060-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210218862860409881 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: bdd40c3d49e73d8b19399852f7370412401f76e0 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs36534qbh; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:30:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.55.13 with SMTP id h13mr157408nfk; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k23si2682023nfc.2006.07.28.23.30.45; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 23:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G6iFI-0002Sd-9J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:24:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G6iFH-0002SU-QO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:24:19 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G6iFC-0003x6-Ri for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 07:24:19 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 1177978DC9 for ; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 00:29:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000501c6b2d7$88730570$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "LF $RSGB$" Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 06:23:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.119,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=0.365 Subject: LF: VY1JA ~137778.4 QRSS120 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4776 Friends, VY1JA beacon is ~137778.4 QRSS120. Again, captures and reports would be appreciated. Thanks, J CP20kw From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210101221620684355 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 7dae7573f065cab73769781bda3b10ee946371b3 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs324452qbh; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:20:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.19.18 with SMTP id w18mr81384nfi; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h1si2990721nfe.2006.07.27.16.20.54; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:20:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G6F88-0005i2-2a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:19:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G6F87-0005ht-Ff for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:18:59 +0100 Received: from mx2.nickaus.com.au ([203.18.237.62] helo=mx2.foxtel.com.au) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G6F82-0004ZB-Gj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:18:59 +0100 Received: from SYDEXB02.ent.foxtel.com.au (sydexb02.ent.foxtel.com.au) by mx2.foxtel.com.au (Clearswift SMTPRS 5.2.5) with ESMTP id for ; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:19:36 +1000 Received: from SYDEXM02.ent.foxtel.com.au ([10.12.1.107]) by SYDEXB02.ent.foxtel.com.au with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:18:36 +1000 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:18:36 +1000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <002501c6b1cd$e6cbdd50$0401a8c0@pc2> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: disconnected Thread-Index: Acaxzl93DFyTxShOS3mRIvZtJzTF3QABFdoA From: "Nick Mclean $SYD$" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2006 23:18:36.0759 (UTC) FILETIME=[FCB4BE70:01C6B1D2] X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.785,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C6B1D2.FCD25D72" Subject: LF: RE: disconnected X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_FONTCOLOR_RED, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4797 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6B1D2.FCD25D72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jack, I believe you need to send a message containing: =20 unsubscribe rsgb_lf_group =20 to leave the group and stop the e-mails being sent to you. =20 73's Nic McLean VK2KXN VK5ZAT Tel: 02 99410619 Fax: 02 99410550 Mobile: 0417 822 728 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of jack Sent: Friday, 28 July 2006 8:42 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: disconnected =20 please no more mail This e-mail, and any attachment, is confidential. If you are not the intend= ed recipient, please delete it from your system, do not use or disclose the= information in any way, and notify the sender immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and = may not be the views of FOXTEL, unless specifically stated. No warranty is = made that the e-mail or attachment (s) are free from computer viruses or ot= her defects. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C6B1D2.FCD25D72 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jack,

I believe you need to send a message containing:

unsubscribe rsgb_lf_group

to leave the group and stop the e-mails being se= nt to you.

73’s

Nic McLean

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Tel:&= nbsp; 02 99410619

Fax:&= nbsp;02 99410550

Mobile: 0417 822 728

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------_=_NextPart_001_01C6B1D2.FCD25D72-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210402476445452865 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a88e00989a25ebed0a80b6b36c555a7103e783e4 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.16 with SMTP id w16cs9242qbh; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:09:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.26.18 with SMTP id d18mr1723835nfj; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o9si244295nfa.2006.07.31.00.09.13; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G7Rs0-0003in-59 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:07:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G7Rry-0003iZ-OP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:07:18 +0100 Received: from smtp3-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.29]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G7Rrt-00073f-MR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:07:18 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp3-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B88449075 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:07:12 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44CDAC1F.9060705@online.fr> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:07:11 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <44CDA8B2.9090704@online.fr> In-Reply-To: <44CDA8B2.9090704@online.fr> X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.219,PLING_PLING=0.432,SUBJ_HAS_SPACES=0.637 Subject: Re: LF: T/A the last night VO1NA and WD2XGJ !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.3 required=5.0 tests=PLING_PLING,SUBJ_HAS_SPACES autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4814 Error in the subject! not of it to hold account Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 a =E9crit : > > Hi all on the list ! > I take my recordings the night on the Atlantic windows > The last night I copy: > WD2XKO > 01:30 to 04:30 > Trace on 137.779 not readable 00:30 to 02:00 ( WD2XES ? ) > the captures of the night are on : > http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/ > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht > > > > > > > > --=20 Visitez mon site radioamateur =E0 : http://jpmere.online.fr/ Analys=E9 avec Norton Antivirus garanti sans virus connu From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210064181903762437 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 130e05c0affab1ea66abc2e803139d21dc6e85c6 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs46483qbh; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.21.8 with SMTP id y8mr583301nfi; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c28si5758368nfb.2006.07.29.11.01.47; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 11:01:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G6t1C-0004H5-3m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:54:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G6t1B-0004Gw-78 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:54:29 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.65]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G6t17-0006zL-10 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:54:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 39267 invoked from network); 29 Jul 2006 17:53:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?81.131.69.177?) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.69.177 with login) by smtp805.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 Jul 2006 17:53:18 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.10.5/403]); Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:50:31 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c6b337$7bf89660$b1458351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <000001c6b17e$4823a8d0$e6a4c593@RD40002> <44C94628.9030404@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 29 Jul 2006 18:50:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.076 Subject: Re: LF: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4863 Dear Peter, LF Group, > Experimental work in 1996 to 1998 on the 73kHz band was concerned mainly > with how to transfer RF power from the amplifier to the antenna. Most of > the amplifiers used at the time were high power audio amplifiers with an > output impedance of 4ohms so the 50ohms system was a bit irrelevant. > The tapping point (loading) was affected by the resonance adjustment > (tuning). In fact I used a 8 turn multi-tapped coupling link on a 7mH > coil, normally tapped at 4 turns (73kHz). Reflecting on this, there are some quite good reasons to use a 50ohm impedance level for coupling bits of the system, even at LF. This is down to the fact that the resistive part of the antenna impedance is usually of the order of 50 ohms also. Given that any type of LC matching network will have limits on the ratios of impedances which can be matched, having the two resistances reasonably close to one another does help. On the spreadsheet, you can change the TX output impedance to 4 ohms or any other resistance. Doing this reveals that you can achieve a match to 4 ohms with fairly reasonable antenna resistances, by tapping at a smaller number of turns. But for any given coil, the maximum antenna impedance that can be matched is lower than for 50 ohm TX impedance. Also, the change in matched resistance between adjacent taps is large, often by a factor of 2 or more when the tap is changed by 1 turn for feasible sizes of coil, which would lead to poor accuracy of matching. A seperate link winding as G3LDO describes would be better, because there is more flexibility in the relationship between the self inductance of the link winding and its mutual inductance with the main winding than there is with the tapped coil. But it also means more variables in the design to cope with. Another related factor which the spreadsheet does not consider is that, with greatly differing TX output resistance and antenna resistance, there will be a big difference between the TX output current flowing into the coil tap, and the antenna current flowing out of the hot end of the coil. For 4 ohms output resistance, this would mean a much larger current flowing in the turns "below" the tap, and so probably increased loss for a given coil. Then there is the question of the transmission line to connect the TX to the antenna tuner, if these are not side by side. You could make a 4 ohm transmission line, but that would be much less convenient than a standard impedance. You might say "well, its only a tiny fraction of a wavelength at 2200m, so using 50 ohm coax won't make a big mismatch". But this isn't quite true - if you do the sums, a run of 50ohm coax with electrical length of 1% of lambda (about 15m of normal coax), with a 4 ohm load, results in an SWR of over 2:1 at the 4ohm TX end (with Z = about 4 + j3.1 ohms, mainly due to the distributed inductance of the coax). This would require the antenna tuner to provide an impedance with a hefty capacitive component in order to get a match, placing more restrictions on the design. Since most of the losses are due to resistance of conductors, using the same size wires in the 4ohm system would result in about 12 times as much loss as in the 50ohm system. So there is some serendipity in standardising on 50ohms; it does work out better in many cases, even at LF. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210064181903762437 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 7ed310ad6462bfa77c892ff37992d8abd9df438e Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs10538qbh; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.41.18 with SMTP id t18mr540005nfj; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m16si4610823nfc.2006.07.28.03.58.07; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 03:58:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G6PzS-0007fz-47 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:54:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G6PzR-0007fq-Lv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:54:45 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G6PzN-0001R9-GX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:54:45 +0100 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1G6PzJ-0007iM-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:54:37 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1G6PzD-0005hd-Dl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:54:31 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 11:54:31 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c6b234$346a40e0$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005901c6b22a$49d05b40$70c428c3@captbrian> X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-Information: X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.650 Subject: RE: LF: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4864 Dear Bryan, LF Group, >Surely if antenna impedance is lo and amplifier higher then the antenna >needs to be >tapped down from the top and the amplifier final tapped "up" from = there ? >If moving the antenna tap detunes the the whole then a 'bit of coil at = the >bottom' needs >adding or removing ? More or less - but the point is that, for any particular antenna, coil diameter and winding pitch, there are only one or sometimes 2 = combinations of TX and antenna tapping points that will work. Also, for quite a lot = of possible combinations of antenna, coil diameter and winding pitch, there = is NO combination of taps that will work. >Mock it all up with infinitesimal power input , adust to matching / >resonance. >measure the inductances and build a Big Beefy copy.? You could do this type of experiment, but it would be difficult to scale everything to simultaneously maintain inductances, mutual inductance, Q = and stray capacitance at equivalent values to the full-size system, which = would be necessary to produce a valid result. Achieving this would be harder = than building the real thing! The spreadsheet calculations are an attempt to theoretically predict the behaviour of the full-sized tuner, and so far = seem to give quite accurate results. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210064181903762437 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 12e225feee907a1d211ca0d8252dcc23171999f2 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs9684qbh; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:51:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.162.15 with SMTP id k15mr455201nfe; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a24si4551787nfc.2006.07.28.02.51.37; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 02:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G6OuZ-0007Ol-9y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:45:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G6OuY-0007Oc-Qb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:45:38 +0100 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.11]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G6OuU-0006Uu-I3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:45:38 +0100 Received: from tnt-1-163.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.163] helo=captbrian) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1G6OtF-000Dnt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:44:17 +0100 Message-ID: <005901c6b22a$49d05b40$70c428c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <000001c6b187$b87981f0$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 10:42:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4865 Surely if antenna impedance is lo and amplifier higher then the antenna needs to be tapped down from the top and the amplifier final tapped "up" from there ? If moving the antenna tap detunes the the whole then a 'bit of coil at the bottom' needs adding or removing ? in short there a 3 "switch- wipers" to roam over a multiplicity of turns-taps. Earth,amplifier and antenna. - just like the schoolboy crystal sets ; substitute amplifier for crystal/headphone. Mock it all up with infinitesimal power input , adust to matching / resonance. measure the inductances and build a Big Beefy copy.? Just a simple G3 [ who is well aware that he might do well to just shut up until he actually emits on 136 himself ] But watch the ether space Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "james moritz" To: Sent: 27 July 2006 15:19 Subject: RE: LF: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Dear John, LF Group, This design approach would work fine if there was no or negligible coupling between the portion of the coil "below" the tap, and the portion "above", i.e. if the loading coil was divided into two separate coils at the tap point. Then you would indeed have an L network as you describe. This would be approximately true with a "long, thin" coil, with large length/diameter ratio and well-spaced turns. The limitation is that it can only match to antenna resistances less than the TX output resistance. But the important difference in the amateur type of tapped loading coil is that it has substantial coupling between the two sections of the coil, and the resulting mutual inductance allows an antenna resistance substantially higher than the TX output resistance to be matched. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John Andrews Sent: 27 July 2006 14:58 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Jim, I have always viewed tapped loading coils as a high-pass "L" network, where the upper part of the coil leaves a small amount of capacitive reactance, representing the "C" in the network. The shunt inductor is the part of the coil below the tap. The issue is then to design the coil for the inductances above and below the tap. In the couple of these calcs I have done, I had accurate R+jX readings of the antenna in advance. That may be more difficult for amateur work. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210064181903762437 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 6c3d19c04cc4ac5c686cdeed56503526f7595ba0 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs323814qbh; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:35:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.41.18 with SMTP id t18mr62713nfj; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a23si2962435nfc.2006.07.27.15.35.12; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:35:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G6EPB-0005MA-LU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:32:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G6EPB-0005M1-8e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:32:33 +0100 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.12]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G6EP6-0004Kr-MG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:32:32 +0100 Received: from bb-87-82-6-66.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.6.66] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1G6EP5-000MYX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 23:32:27 +0100 Message-ID: <44C94628.9030404@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:03:04 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c6b17e$4823a8d0$e6a4c593@RD40002> In-Reply-To: <000001c6b17e$4823a8d0$e6a4c593@RD40002> X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.303 Subject: Re: LF: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4866 james moritz wrote: > I have been doing some investigation into the design of tapped loading > coils for LF antennas � specifically, where to put the tap for the TX > connection to achieve matching to 50 ohms. As far as I can see, there > is no simple formula that gives a realistic result, and generally the > tapping point is selected by trial and error. But it would be nice to > know at least approximately where the taps should be, to take the > guesswork out of making a coil. > Experimental work in 1996 to 1998 on the 73kHz band was concerned mainly with how to transfer RF power from the amplifier to the antenna. Most of the amplifiers used at the time were high power audio amplifiers with an output impedance of 4ohms so the 50ohms system was a bit irrelevant. The tapping point (loading) was affected by the resonance adjustment (tuning). In fact I used a 8 turn multi-tapped coupling link on a 7mH coil, normally tapped at 4 turns (73kHz). The method of tuning was to note the PA FET current while tuning through resonance, while at the same time noting the antenna RF current. The objective was to obtain the greatest RF current while at the same time ensuring the PA FET power dissipation was not exceeded. Regards Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210064181903762437 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 690fb89978fde9536a54e948007d16e6c66b7955 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs322718qbh; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:37:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.42.1 with SMTP id p1mr484075nfp; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c28si3516183nfb.2006.07.27.14.37.42; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:37:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G6DU3-00058q-HV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 22:33:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G6DU3-00058h-3y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4867 Hi Jim, pse send a copy to < uwe-jannsen@versanet.de > thanks in advance. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210064181903762437 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 0600c12a48ce03d23d487857bd2268a1f9fda90d Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs313142qbh; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.2.14 with SMTP id e14mr160156nfi; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:50:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a24si3494691nfc.2006.07.27.08.50.45; 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charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4868 Jim, I knew about the mutual coupling between the turns, but never stopped to think about the effect on the upper limit of impedance match. Interesting! Please send me the file. John Andrews, W1TAG james moritz wrote: > Dear John, LF Group, > > This design approach would work fine if there was no or negligible coupling > between the portion of the coil "below" the tap, and the portion "above", > i.e. if the loading coil was divided into two separate coils at the tap > point. Then you would indeed have an L network as you describe. This would > be approximately true with a "long, thin" coil, with large length/diameter > ratio and well-spaced turns. The limitation is that it can only match to > antenna resistances less than the TX output resistance. But the important > difference in the amateur type of tapped loading coil is that it has > substantial coupling between the two sections of the coil, and the resulting > mutual inductance allows an antenna resistance substantially higher than the > TX output resistance to be matched. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John Andrews > Sent: 27 July 2006 14:58 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet > > Jim, > > I have always viewed tapped loading coils as a high-pass "L" network, > where the upper part of the coil leaves a small amount of capacitive > reactance, representing the "C" in the network. The shunt inductor is > the part of the coil below the tap. The issue is then to design the coil > for the inductances above and below the tap. In the couple of these > calcs I have done, I had accurate R+jX readings of the antenna in > advance. That may be more difficult for amateur work. > > John Andrews, W1TAG > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210064181903762437 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 0e20723447b0b4b3c856cc82a112df2f85997c74 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs311264qbh; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.1.15 with SMTP id d15mr94174nfi; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l27si3029650nfa.2006.07.27.07.45.36; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G6751-0003oM-GH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:43:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G6750-0003oD-Vx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:43:15 +0100 Received: from relay.dera.gov.uk ([192.5.29.49] helo=relay.dstl.gov.uk) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G674w-00084j-KR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:43:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 19990 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 15:43:03 +0100 Received: from warlock.dstl.gov.uk (192.5.29.10) by relay.dera.gov.uk with SMTP; 27 Jul 2006 15:43:03 +0100 Message-ID: <7D653C9C42F5D411A27C00508BF8803D06A1AC9C@mail.dstl.gov.uk> From: Talbot Andrew To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:43:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.019,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: RE: LF: Tapped loading coil design sprea dsheet Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4869 And if the two coils were infinitely coupled, you would effectively have an auto transformer matching the transformed parallel equivalent resistance of the antenna to the desired load impedance. I've always been fascinated by tapped and link coupled air wound coils, and the sheer number of variables needed to try to design them. Building my 700 Watt 137kHz switch mode PA, an overwinding on the tank for the overload protection circuitry (Decca Tx style) had to have a transformation ratio of equal to the loaded Q of the tank, ie about 5:1. I ended up needing a final turns ratio of around 3.5:1 for the 5:1 transformation, suggesting the close overwinding gave a coupling coefficient > 0.5. the tank coil was close wound with Decca Litz wire, 100 turns in three layers so it was a lot more compact than any antenna loading coild would be. Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of james moritz Sent: 27 July 2006 15:20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: LF: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Dear John, LF Group, This design approach would work fine if there was no or negligible coupling between the portion of the coil "below" the tap, and the portion "above", i.e. if the loading coil was divided into two separate coils at the tap point. Then you would indeed have an L network as you describe. This would be approximately true with a "long, thin" coil, with large length/diameter ratio and well-spaced turns. The limitation is that it can only match to antenna resistances less than the TX output resistance. But the important difference in the amateur type of tapped loading coil is that it has substantial coupling between the two sections of the coil, and the resulting mutual inductance allows an antenna resistance substantially higher than the TX output resistance to be matched. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John Andrews Sent: 27 July 2006 14:58 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Jim, I have always viewed tapped loading coils as a high-pass "L" network, where the upper part of the coil leaves a small amount of capacitive reactance, representing the "C" in the network. The shunt inductor is the part of the coil below the tap. The issue is then to design the coil for the inductances above and below the tap. In the couple of these calcs I have done, I had accurate R+jX readings of the antenna in advance. That may be more difficult for amateur work. John Andrews, W1TAG "This e-mail is intended for the recipient only. If you are not the intended recipient you must not use, disclose, distribute, copy, print, or rely upon this e-mail. If an addressing or transmission error has misdirected this e-mail, please notify the author by replying to this e-mail." "Recipients should note that all e-mail traffic on MOD systems is subject to monitoring and auditing." From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210064181903762437 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c75a2e1b74e24fe83d3b540e61acc5709c66059b Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs310568qbh; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:29:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.20.15 with SMTP id x15mr76336nfi; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c10si2394538nfb.2006.07.27.07.29.15; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:29:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G66m9-0003b2-8J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:23:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G66m8-0003at-QF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:23:44 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G66m4-0006u9-RT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:23:44 +0100 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1G66iN-0007gf-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:19:51 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1G66iM-0006Lk-Gc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:19:50 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:19:49 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c6b187$b87981f0$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <44C8C65B.4060706@w1tag.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-Information: X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.679 Subject: RE: LF: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4870 Dear John, LF Group, This design approach would work fine if there was no or negligible = coupling between the portion of the coil "below" the tap, and the portion = "above", i.e. if the loading coil was divided into two separate coils at the tap point. Then you would indeed have an L network as you describe. This = would be approximately true with a "long, thin" coil, with large = length/diameter ratio and well-spaced turns. The limitation is that it can only match to antenna resistances less than the TX output resistance. But the = important difference in the amateur type of tapped loading coil is that it has substantial coupling between the two sections of the coil, and the = resulting mutual inductance allows an antenna resistance substantially higher than = the TX output resistance to be matched. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John Andrews Sent: 27 July 2006 14:58 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Jim, I have always viewed tapped loading coils as a high-pass "L" network,=20 where the upper part of the coil leaves a small amount of capacitive=20 reactance, representing the "C" in the network. The shunt inductor is=20 the part of the coil below the tap. The issue is then to design the coil = for the inductances above and below the tap. In the couple of these=20 calcs I have done, I had accurate R+jX readings of the antenna in=20 advance. That may be more difficult for amateur work. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210064181903762437 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 60717f135089ef963174b2ce44d55b073c45c0f0 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs308548qbh; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.93.13 with SMTP id v13mr25695nfl; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m15si3376649nfc.2006.07.27.07.01.10; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 07:01:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G66Lm-0003Sl-VJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:56:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G66Lm-0003Sc-6Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:56:30 +0100 Received: from smtpout10-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.238]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G66Lg-0007dg-0u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:56:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 32554 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 13:55:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout10-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.238) with ESMTP; 27 Jul 2006 13:55:12 -0000 Message-ID: <44C8C65B.4060706@w1tag.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 09:57:47 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c6b17e$4823a8d0$e6a4c593@RD40002> In-Reply-To: <000001c6b17e$4823a8d0$e6a4c593@RD40002> X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.137 Subject: Re: LF: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4871 Jim, I have always viewed tapped loading coils as a high-pass "L" network, where the upper part of the coil leaves a small amount of capacitive reactance, representing the "C" in the network. The shunt inductor is the part of the coil below the tap. The issue is then to design the coil for the inductances above and below the tap. In the couple of these calcs I have done, I had accurate R+jX readings of the antenna in advance. That may be more difficult for amateur work. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210064181903762437 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 0903e6de030f5e3cb97826ff56cfcf9005d46607 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs307276qbh; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:32:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.1.9 with SMTP id d9mr1760261nfi; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o53si2927705nfa.2006.07.27.06.32.10; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G65pV-0003KH-9a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:23:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G65pU-0003K8-Hi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:23:08 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G65pQ-0006Hf-8V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:23:08 +0100 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1G65f5-0007U3-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:12:23 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1G65ey-0002VP-IO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:12:16 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:12:16 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c6b17e$4823a8d0$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000d01c6ab39$8ebd6420$0300a8c0@lark> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-Information: X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.755,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6B186.A9EA81D0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4872 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6B186.A9EA81D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF Group, =20 I have been doing some investigation into the design of tapped loading = coils for LF antennas - specifically, where to put the tap for the TX = connection to achieve matching to 50 ohms. As far as I can see, there is no simple formula that gives a realistic result, and generally the tapping point = is selected by trial and error. But it would be nice to know at least approximately where the taps should be, to take the guesswork out of = making a coil. =20 It appears that the tapping point can be calculated reasonably = accurately (within about 10% resistance, or +/- 1 turn or so - assuming the antenna loss resistance is known), but it is quite a complicated and tedious process. So I have made an Excel spreadsheet that does all the coil = design calculations, the user just has to enter the coil diameter, winding = pitch and some other details, and the antenna capacitance, and gets a graph of matched antenna resistance vs. tapping point turns (and some other info, like the overall number of turns needed). I have tested the spreadsheet results against measurements of 3 real loading coils with different geometries, with the kind of results mentioned above. It is also quite = easy to "reverse engineer" an existing loading coil. =20 Some interesting results arose that I was not aware of previously. There = is a definite upper limit to the antenna resistance that can be matched, = which depends on the winding pitch and diameter of the coil. "Short, fat" = loading coils, with large diameter and closely spaced turns, can match higher antenna resistances than "long, thin" coils. Any tapped coil can match resistances below the TX output resistance, if it has enough turns. But = for lower antenna resistance, a "long, thin" coil offers the advantage of a smaller change in resistance between each tap, leading to a more = accurate match.=20 =20 I have written a short article as a pdf file that explains how to fill = in the spreadsheet, and showing the measured coil data, to go with the spreadsheet itself. These files are too big for the reflector, but let = me know if you would like me to email them direct. I would be interested to know if others get reasonable agreement between the spreadsheet results = and their loading coils - if you don't have Excel on your PC, let me know details of your coil (diameter, length, number of turns or winding = pitch), and I can run the calculations for you. =20 Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C6B186.A9EA81D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear LF Group,

I have been doing = some investigation into the design of tapped loading coils for LF antennas = – specifically, where to put the tap for the TX connection to achieve = matching to 50 ohms. As far as I can see, there is no simple formula that gives a = realistic result, and generally the tapping point is selected by trial and error. = But it would be nice to know at least approximately where the taps should be, = to take the guesswork out of making a coil.

It appears that the = tapping point can be calculated reasonably accurately (within about 10% = resistance, or +/- 1 turn or so – assuming the antenna loss resistance is known), = but it is quite a complicated and tedious process. So I have made an Excel = spreadsheet that does all the coil design calculations, the user just has to enter = the coil diameter, winding pitch and some other details, and the antenna = capacitance, and gets a graph of matched antenna resistance vs. tapping point turns = (and some other info, like the overall number of turns needed). I have tested = the spreadsheet results against measurements of 3 real loading coils with = different geometries, with the kind of results mentioned above. It is also quite = easy to “reverse engineer” an existing loading coil.

Some interesting = results arose that I was not aware of previously. There is a definite upper limit to = the antenna resistance that can be matched, which depends on the winding pitch and = diameter of the coil. “Short, fat” loading coils, with large diameter = and closely spaced turns, can match higher antenna resistances than = “long, thin” coils. Any tapped coil can match resistances below the TX = output resistance, if it has enough turns. But for lower antenna resistance, a = “long, thin” coil offers the advantage of a smaller change in resistance = between each tap, leading to a more accurate match.

I have written a = short article as a pdf file that explains how to fill in the spreadsheet, and showing = the measured coil data, to go with the spreadsheet itself. These files are = too big for the reflector, but let me know if you would like me to email them = direct. I would be interested to know if others get reasonable agreement between = the spreadsheet results and their loading coils – if you don’t = have Excel on your PC, let me know details of your coil (diameter, length, = number of turns or winding pitch), and I can run the calculations for = you.

Cheers, Jim = Moritz

73 de = M0BMU

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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:32:12 +0100 Received: from tnt-2-15.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.15] helo=captbrian) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1G2xAl-0005z0-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:32:08 +0100 Message-ID: <00a301c6aab1$8673b0e0$3e1686d4@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <009f01c6aa0e$aedf1f40$6501a8c0@eagles> <00dc01c6aa34$91d05a10$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:00:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.008 Subject: LF: Re: Cutting Torroid cores Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 autolearn=no 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Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Allen" To: Sent: 18 July 2006 07:36 Subject: LF: Cutting Torroid cores nn's > saw. She did all the ceramics and the Italian 1 foot square stuff in our > home when we built it. Ann does masonry and original ornamental concrete > castings as one of her winter hobbies. > > I had no idea that > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209223790654139983 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: bc6bc5bef6a6c0861eb8eeac060a6d2ad3ea24c0 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs139739qbh; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.235.13 with SMTP id i13mr392728nfh; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m16si480035nfc.2006.07.17.23.54.30; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:54:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2jR4-000633-54 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:52:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2jR3-00062u-Et for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:52:01 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc1-s25.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.97]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2jQy-0003qN-Tk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:52:01 +0100 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.8.140]) by bay0-omc1-s25.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:51:50 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:51:50 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 207.224.66.98 by BAY118-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:51:48 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.224.66.98] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: References: <009f01c6aa0e$aedf1f40$6501a8c0@eagles> <00dc01c6aa34$91d05a10$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:51:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:51:48 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2006 06:51:50.0373 (UTC) FILETIME=[A53B7150:01C6AA36] X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.815,FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS=0.298,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: LF: Re: Cutting Torroid cores Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_067E_01C6AA0C.BB064E80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4875 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_067E_01C6AA0C.BB064E80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe better to find a TV or big monitor flyback transformer with the = split ferrite core? I tool one apart a few months ago and to my = surprise, it came apart easily even the glue let go without damaging the = cores. If you have spare toroids then by all means try the wet saw. Go = slow and see what happens. Maybe try some cheep little cores first and = see what happens? It'll be interesting to read your results tomorrow... Lots-o-luck!!! Mike ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J. Allen To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 1:36 AM Subject: LF: Cutting Torroid cores Mike, >I would try a wet tile saw, the kind you use to cut floor tiles for = the=20 >wife...LOL!!! The wet saw is an excellent idea, but I would actually have to borrow = Ann's=20 saw. She did all the ceramics and the Italian 1 foot square stuff in = our=20 home when we built it. Ann does masonry and original ornamental = concrete=20 castings as one of her winter hobbies. I had no idea that those saws could cut ferrite and iron powder = cores... You do realize that if the core damages the saw you will be reading an = obituary about some unbelievable accident I had... :o) J. ------=_NextPart_000_067E_01C6AA0C.BB064E80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Maybe better to find a TV or big monitor flyback transformer with = the split=20 ferrite core? I tool one apart a few months ago and to my surprise, it = came=20 apart easily even the glue let go without damaging the cores. If you = have spare=20 toroids then by all means try the wet saw. Go slow and see what happens. = Maybe=20 try some cheep little cores first and see what happens? It'll be = interesting to=20 read your results tomorrow...

Lots-o-luck!!!

Mike

----- Original Message -----

From: J. Allen

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20

Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 = 1:36=20 AM

Subject: LF: Cutting Torroid = cores

Mike,

>I would try a wet tile saw, the kind = you use=20 to cut floor tiles for the
>wife...LOL!!!

The wet saw is = an=20 excellent idea, but I would actually have to borrow Ann's =
saw. She=20 did all the ceramics and the Italian 1 foot square stuff in our =
home when=20 we built it. Ann does masonry and original ornamental concrete=20
castings as one of her winter hobbies.

I had no idea that = those=20 saws could cut ferrite and iron powder cores...

You do realize = that if=20 the core damages the saw you will be reading an
obituary about = some=20 unbelievable accident I had...=20 :o)

J.

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(VPS 0627-2, 06-07-2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.055,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4876 Test From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209082047634974956 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 41d1deb760bc82c149852558e53c490cac2f7094 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs92680qbh; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.4.17 with SMTP id 17mr1267240nfd; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q28si807550nfc.2006.07.16.10.21.34; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 10:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2AH4-0003wH-Lv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:19:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2AH4-0003w8-7A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:19:22 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G2AH1-0003TH-BI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 18:19:22 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 742057A4C0; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:24:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <00bb01c6a8fb$f6364fd0$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "LF $RSGB$" , Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:19:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.052,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Circuit Board and beacon Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4878 Friends, I greatly appreciate all the support the LF groups have given me. The station is beaconing, has made one QSO and very nearly completed its second with Scott, VE7TIL. Your help has made this possible. Starting today, the beacon is transmitting on 137,778.45 or as close to that as it can be set in QRSS60. This is to continue the experiments but I must shift my attention to repairing a home to use for retirement income. This shift will limit the time which I have to put into the experiments on 137. The main purpose of these experiments is to prove compatibility between amateur radio and the Power Line Carrier system which also uses 137 here. In order to prove the compatibility, tests will have to be made at 1 W ierp, the expected license limit we are seeking, and which will require a transmitter in the 500-1000 Watt class. The transmitter is currently ~100 Watts. For that kW amp I need to find either a reliable amp someone wants to sell, or perhaps a printed circuit board someone has made for readily available components. The circuit must have protection built into it suitable for a beacon. Please look at what you have, and if you can part with a board or amp for the experiments here, contact me. Thanks, J. VY1JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208328081046437748 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a0d45db19fcf5ed62f0d633b9183734b64249c7e Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs213590qbh; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 02:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.61.3 with SMTP id o3mr2126047nfk; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k9si10305763nfc.2006.07.08.02.37.35; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:37:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fz9Ct-0004Kz-8f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 10:34:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fz9Cs-0004Kq-Ev for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 10:34:34 +0100 Received: from newbox.tcp.net.uk ([195.80.0.243]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fz9Co-0003Et-Gv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 10:34:34 +0100 Received: from [212.248.140.29] ([212.248.140.29]) by newbox.tcp.net.uk (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k689cjbH017159; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 10:38:48 +0100 (BST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.9/382]); Sat, 08 Jul 2006 09:33:58 +0100 Message-ID: <002101c6a269$417cc6c0$045bfea9@d4f8d8> From: "Andy Talbot" To: "LF Group" , "John, G3WKL" , "Keith and Vicki" , Cc: "PLX" , "GUO" Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 09:33:04 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-TCP-MailScanner-Information: Please visit www.tcp.co.uk for more information X-TCP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TCP-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-TCP-MailScanner-From: actalbot@southsurf.com X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.096 Subject: LF: 1.96MHz Beacon on again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4883 A soak-test has just started on the final version of the MF beacon for a project later in the year. As before this transmission has a similar sequence to GB3RAL/WES/ORK with the sounder period replaced by a PSK31 message. Transmissions commence every 15 minutes, starting on the one minute boundary, ie. 01/16/31/46 minutes past the hour. Output power is 100 Watts (10dB up on before) to the same antenna, a 7m high Tee. Frequency 1.906MHz Hopefully the test will run 86400/30.4 until Monday morning. Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 2006-07-04 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209308086053695812 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 4300a7e1e4c0f25e36652fc5c4d7c5f1d8269e80 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs169170qbh; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.2.14 with SMTP id e14mr1300081nfi; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y23si1044162nfb.2006.07.18.22.14.21; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:14:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G34Ju-0005cc-I4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:10:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G34Jt-0005cT-Su for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:10:01 +0100 Received: from smtp1.versatel.nl ([62.58.50.88]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G34Jp-0002wv-W8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:10:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 17507 invoked by uid 0); 19 Jul 2006 05:08:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO fujitsu) ([62.59.190.10]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp1.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 19 Jul 2006 05:08:50 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c6aaf1$0bf0ab80$0abe3b3e@fujitsu> From: "Dick" To: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 07:06:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.146,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: my 136kHz station: pictures/story completed Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6AB01.CED943E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4884 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6AB01.CED943E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all, pictures + explanation of my latest 136kHz equipement and portable tests = in june are available on www.pa6z.nl=20 Look there for 136kHz project to see the pictures. 73 Dick, PA4VHF ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6AB01.CED943E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello all,

pictures + explanation of my latest = 136kHz=20 equipement and portable tests in june are available on www.pa6z.nl

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------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C6AB01.CED943E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208834780769472007 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 985bb8a675a07a7af6e649be7a0bcddff4e2c7df Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs31308qbh; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.1.3 with SMTP id 3mr1401995nfa; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x24si1623024nfb.2006.07.13.16.51.22; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:51:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G1AwT-0001UC-1L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:50:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G1AwS-0001U3-MT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:50:00 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G1AwO-0006lp-ST for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:50:00 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id CA92715F0; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:54:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <006101c6a6d6$f50a1a50$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "LF $RSGB$" , Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:49:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.078,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Possible Kenwood rig control program Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4885 All, Here is another approach. All that needed is to send a computer signal over the RS232 connection to the TS450 and have it raise or lower the frequency by 10 Hz. If anyone has a copy of the Visual Basic code to monitor and control (specifically to send frequency up and down) to the 450, that would be just as good for producing the DFCW. Thanks, J. VY1JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210100519853948717 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 897c74d1d64931d35d769a39404565993f2a1594 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs324276qbh; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.220.15 with SMTP id s15mr76340nfg; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y23si3586516nfb.2006.07.27.16.09.45; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:09:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G6Ewr-0005b0-2K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:07:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G6Ewq-0005ar-GX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:07:20 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G6Ewk-0004Wa-Cd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 00:07:20 +0100 Received: from p1i5f0 (gi91.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.96]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 21644B79E3 for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:04:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000901c6b1d0$f3a79d40$6011f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: References: <002501c6b1cd$e6cbdd50$0401a8c0@pc2> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:03:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.770,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_90_100=0.189,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: disconnected Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6B196.45B5F040" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4889 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6B196.45B5F040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable OK please no more mail ------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6B196.45B5F040 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_0006_01C6B196.45B5F040-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209594984855632822 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: f2331e1e3149b310d084b257b2fbc8e5e5ab0fff Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs266545qbh; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 02:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.162.15 with SMTP id k15mr1365085nfe; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 02:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q28si796741nfc.2006.07.22.02.14.29; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 02:14:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G4DTJ-00054S-6d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:08:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G4DTI-00054J-Jc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:08:28 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.140]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G4DTE-0005J0-IF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:08:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 53573 invoked from network); 22 Jul 2006 09:08:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.134.206.10 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Jul 2006 09:08:18 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:09:20 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001601c6acfb$2c5785e0$6ee4fc3e@g3kev> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.285,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: PA3FNY - report Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0000_01C6AD76.E5F28420" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4890 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C6AD76.E5F28420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Victor, LF, PA3FNY DFCW3 visible here "O">"M" copy through heavy static. 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(james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.131.182 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 19:31:33 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.10.1/389]); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:28:53 +0100 Message-ID: <001701c6a9d7$3cd395c0$b6838351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <000001c6a99c$0848d120$e6a4c593@RD40002> <004501c6a9d1$a4953a20$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:28:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.174 Subject: LF: RE: DFCW, power and time. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4891 Dear J, LF Group, Checking the meter would definitely be a good idea - If you are putting out a decent signal, there must be some current there somewhere! As you say there should be about 1.4A at the TX output. Also a good idea to check if anything is getting hot, but not with the carrier present!. As far as other suggestions go, it is difficult to comment without knowing how the system is connected up. Reading your past e-mails, I believe the variometer is connected between antenna and ground, with part of the windings out of circuit? Is the variometer still coupled to the feeder via a link winding? How is the isolating transformer you recently added connected into the system? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Allen To: Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 7:48 PM Subject: LF: Re: RE: DFCW, power and time. > I have never taken the antenna current meter out of the circuit, so perhaps > it is time to put it in the coax inside the shack on the line going out to > the antenna. In a 50 Ohm system, the current should be 1.414 amps. If I > still see nearly no current, the problem is with the meter. > > How does that sound as a plan: check for heat, check the meter? > > Any other suggestions? > > J. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209154499453586391 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 35e7be97336d38d7ca5b32f67c7285b303eb074f Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs114059qbh; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:33:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.1.9 with SMTP id d9mr1912547nfi; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k24si1672709nfc.2006.07.17.05.33.10; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2SDi-0000LR-R0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:29:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2SDi-0000LI-5e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:29:06 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2SDd-0005Lv-1F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:29:05 +0100 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1G2S9v-00008v-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:25:11 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1G2S9p-00026a-7i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:25:05 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:25:04 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c6a99c$0848d120$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <010701c6a931$73f5d460$6501a8c0@eagles> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-Information: X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.566 Subject: LF: RE: DFCW, power and time. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4892 Dear J, LF Group, You wrote: ...I have an RF ammeter which shows almost no antenna base current from = 100=20 Watt transmitter output. To get the 2.85 Amps will require much more = power.=20 I guesstimated about 410 Watts... Going from 100W to 410W will produce just over double the antenna = current, so unless "almost no antenna base current" is about 1.4A, the power = increase will not in itself achieve your goal. If we assume for a moment that the resistive part of the impedance of your antenna is in the range 25ohms - 100ohms, and the antenna tuner is reasonably efficient, the antenna = current should be in the range of about 1A - 2A with 100W TX. Being a big = antenna, one would expect it to be towards the upper end of this range.=20 So unless the antenna current you are seeing is 1A or over, it looks = like your antenna tuner is still not working properly. Most of the TX power = is being dissipated somewhere other than the antenna, probably in the tuner components. A large increase in TX power will cause these components to = get a lot hotter, probably damaging them. So it is important to sort this problem out before increasing the TX power. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208397736954742367 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 1b16c979aede86f898d07f2dccbd1a37c673dc69 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs225722qbh; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 21:04:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.218.19 with SMTP id q19mr2636988nfg; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 21:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id z73si117937nfb.2006.07.08.21.04.45; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 21:04:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FzQTw-0008Qg-4w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 05:01:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FzQTv-0008QX-Nn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 05:01:19 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FzQTq-0000jX-PO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 05:01:19 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 64B0258836; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 22:05:09 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000e01c6a30c$3e84bf60$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "LF $RSGB$" , Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 04:00:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.135,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: transformer question Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4893 Alan and All, Alan, you were concerned about the transformer that was added between the coax and the loading coil at the base of the 137 kHz. antenna. Here follow-up to your question. If you remember it is a bifilar winding of ten turns which takes up on inch length on a 10-3/4 inch form. I used Solenoid3 which may or may not be the right tool for the job, and calculate the self-impedance of the windings to be just about 50 Ohms at 137.8 kHz. I do not know if 50 Ohms is good, bad or what. Can anyone tell me? I am concerned that the 50 Ohms of self impedance might be giving me a false OK on my system and that I actually still have antenna problems even though the system radiates and looks matched. Even in the bad conditions yesterday, some bits of the transmission have appeared on Scott's screen 1000 Miles distant, and we are trying it again tonight. The transformer was wound by guess, since I cannot remember if I have seen any data on properly wining a solenoid type transformer with bifilar winding. Anyone know the answer or have a link to the information on winding these? J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208155718140728924 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 277285d6dc6ce808699b4526917df762948d66c9 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs159107qbh; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 05:40:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.93.15 with SMTP id v15mr428006nfl; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 05:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y24si8144557nfb.2006.07.06.05.40.10; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 05:40:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyT60-0005yZ-CJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:36:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyT5z-0005yQ-Mq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:36:39 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FyT5w-0003K1-Kl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 13:36:39 +0100 Received: (qmail 83700 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2006 12:35:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.159.202 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2006 12:35:31 -0000 Message-ID: <001e01c6a0f8$ab3a8330$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 12:35:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.130 Subject: LF: Re: Loading Coil Q Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4894 >From G3PLX: Gary: You say you don't have a Q meter, but it's very easy to improvise one, if you have a means of generating RF at 136kHz and a means of measuring RF voltage. Set up your LF transmitter to deliver an output of 1 volt across a suitable low-value resistor, for example a 1 ohm resistor which is in series with the earthy end of a 50 ohm dummy load. Check with your RF voltmeter that it is 1 volt. Next connect one end of the inductor you want to measure to this 1 volt source, then a suitable capacitor down to ground, so you have an L-network. Move the voltmeter so it's across the capacitor, and tune to resonance at 136kHz by adjusting the capacitor. In other words, tune for maximum RF voltage across the capacitor. If your source voltage was indeed 1 volt, then the voltage across the capacitor at resonance is numerically equal to the Q factor of the circuit. If the source voltage wasn't exactly 1 volt, or it's dropped a bit due to the load of the test circuit, then calculate the Q from the ratio of the two voltages. Note I said "Q of the circuit". Clearly you need to be sure you are using a good quality capacitor if you want this technique to actually measure the Q of the coil. And of course the voltmeter must not load the circuit, or it will reduce the Q. You could even improvise the voltmeter, since you are just measuring a ratio. The actual voltage itself doesn't come into the equation. What I have described here is actually what happens inside a traditional Q meter. Note that if your transmitter doesn't output a sinewave, then there will be some error in this measurement. You could minimise this by replacing the 1 ohm resistor by a capacitor. A capacitor of 1 ohm reactance would be 1uF at 136kHz, but don;t just use any old capacitor. Don't use an electrolytic, use a polyester one if you have one that big, or if not, use the biggest one you can find. 73 Peter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208155718140728924 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 26017f5ba3152cf81f673dc62cd1c5df71ff881f Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs158608qbh; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 04:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.143.9 with SMTP id q9mr394707nfd; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id n22si8102883nfc.2006.07.06.04.57.57; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:57:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FySRs-0005kC-9g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:55:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FySRr-0005k3-Pn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:55:11 +0100 Received: from amsfep17-int.chello.nl ([213.46.243.15] helo=amsfep19-int.chello.nl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FySRo-0002wu-OL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:55:11 +0100 Received: from MARLEEN ([80.56.66.191]) by amsfep19-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20060706115117.LNQB24171.amsfep19-int.chello.nl@MARLEEN> for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 13:51:17 +0200 Message-ID: <003301c6a0f2$7eeed930$bf423850@MARLEEN> From: "PA0WFO" To: References: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 13:51:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.998,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Loading Coil Q Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0030_01C6A103.42649660" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4895 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C6A103.42649660 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To All , Lacking a "Q"meter I use the following procedure :=20 Connect the coil in series with a variable capacitor to a noise bridge = with the RX output of the bridge to a receiver ( small bandwith of a few = hundred cycles ) on 137 Khz . Bring the the bridge to resonance with = the variable capacitor and the internal potmeter of the bridge and read = the loss resistance of the coil . The Q factor is the Xl of the coil divided by the loss resistance . With = this procedure the "Q"is measured on the working frequency . With a good = shielded Rx and bridge very precise measurements are possible . By = replacing the capacitor with the real life antenna , measurements of = the total resistance to be matched is possible . 73, William PA0WFO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF (Rsgb LF Group)" Cc: "LW Wave" Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 11:38 AM Subject: LF: Loading Coil Q > Hi All, >=20 > Thanks to all for additional comments on the previous thread 'LF = Loading > Coils'. >=20 > Continuing on the theme of loading coils, is there a simple method of > calculating the 'Q' of an LF loading coil without using a 'Q' meter (a > device I have not got access to). I would like to carry out my own > tests/experiments on my antenna system, it can only add to my = knowledge > base. >=20 > 73 >=20 > Gary - G4WGT. >=20 >=20 > ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C6A103.42649660 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To=20 All ,

Lacking a = "Q"meter I use=20 the following procedure :

Connect the = coil in=20 series with a variable capacitor to a noise bridge with the RX output of = the=20 bridge to a receiver ( small bandwith of a few hundred cycles ) on = 137=20 Khz . Bring the the bridge to resonance with the variable capacitor = and the=20 internal potmeter of the bridge and read the loss resistance of = the coil=20 .

The Q = factor is the Xl of=20 the coil divided by the loss resistance . With this procedure the "Q"is = measured=20 on the working frequency . With a good shielded Rx and bridge very = precise=20 measurements are possible . By replacing the capacitor with the real = life=20 antenna , measurements of the total resistance to be matched is = possible=20 .

73, William = PA0WFO

----- = Original Message=20 -----

From: "Gary = - G4WGT"=20 <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>

To: "LF = (Rsgb LF Group)"=20 <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>

Cc: "LW = Wave"=20 <lowfer@lwca.org>

Sent: = Thursday, July 06,=20 2006 11:38 AM

Subject: = LF: Loading Coil=20 Q

> Hi All,
>
> Thanks to all for additional = comments on=20 the previous thread 'LF Loading
> Coils'.
>
> = Continuing on=20 the theme of loading coils, is there a simple method of
> = calculating the=20 'Q' of an LF loading coil without using a 'Q' meter (a
> device I = have not=20 got access to). I would like to carry out my own
> = tests/experiments on my=20 antenna system, it can only add to my knowledge
> base.
> =
>=20 73
>
> Gary - G4WGT.
>
>=20
> ------=_NextPart_000_0030_01C6A103.42649660-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209249849243441099 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a058b23bd74939a2ba9ebc2d97c04ff7507bb597 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs160135qbh; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:36:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.2.14 with SMTP id e14mr1047740nfi; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x27si1202000nfb.2006.07.18.13.36.26; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:36:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2wEo-0002Pz-4u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:32:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2wEn-0002Pq-NA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:32:13 +0100 Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G2wEk-00089f-2A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:32:13 +0100 Received: from 88-106-98-83.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.98.83]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 18 Jul 2006 21:32:00 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAHvgvESKMgEBAQ Received: from 88-106-98-83.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.98.83]:3614 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1G2wEa-000Hmy-It for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:32:00 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:32:39 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <44BD2725.5040901@freenet.de> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.232,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: RE: LF: RE: DFCW on TS450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4899 Hi Wolf & Peter, -----Original Message----- Ummm... that's what I was hoping when I bought a soundblaster Audigy "in addition" to the on-board device. The first thing the Creative driver did during install was disable the old on-board audio device ! Grrrr.... guess they do that because there is usually an I/O address conflict, or same interrupt, or the like. Whatever I tried, a peaceful co-existence of both cards seemed impossible. But no trouble if the second soundcard was connected to the USB port (tried it with a "Soundblaster Extigy", which is rather cheap these days). The only concern is will the PC be fast enough to handle everything without drop-outs. 73, Wolf DL4YHF . -------------------------------- Wolf, I have an onboard AC97 & a PCI AC97 (Windows XP) & no problems. Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- >From G3PLX: I don't know about earlier versions of Windows, but it's certainly possible in XP to open a soundcard for input in one program, and open the SAME soundcard for output in another program. I do it all the time. So it should be possible to send DFCW in one program and receive something else into another program, both at the same time, and without needing two soundcards. 73 Peter --------------------------------- Peter, That is very interesting, something I have never even thought of trying, input & output circuits must be completely separate & independant. Gary - G4WGT. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209249849243441099 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 91bdd86bf41af9e68eac575ac5c93a2673803eee Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs157072qbh; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.75.2 with SMTP id c2mr947233nfl; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l21si1103858nfc.2006.07.18.11.27.54; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2uEQ-0001cu-Qy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:23:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2uEQ-0001cl-8u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:23:42 +0100 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2uEL-0000x8-V0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:23:42 +0100 Received: from [194.97.55.148] (helo=mx5.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1G2uEK-0002i2-VE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:23:36 +0200 Received: from p5486a076.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.160.118] helo=[192.168.0.22]) by mx5.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62 #2) id 1G2uEK-0002x9-P4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:23:36 +0200 Message-ID: <44BD2725.5040901@freenet.de> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:23:33 +0200 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Warning: 84.134.160.118 is listed at dynablock.njabl.org X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.887 Subject: Re: LF: RE: DFCW on TS450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4900 Hi Gary, > Hi J, > > You could fit a 2nd sound card?? > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT > > Ummm... that's what I was hoping when I bought a soundblaster Audigy "in addition" to the on-board device. The first thing the Creative driver did during install was disable the old on-board audio device ! Grrrr.... guess they do that because there is usually an I/O address conflict, or same interrupt, or the like. Whatever I tried, a peaceful co-existence of both cards seemed impossible. But no trouble if the second soundcard was connected to the USB port (tried it with a "Soundblaster Extigy", which is rather cheap these days). The only concern is will the PC be fast enough to handle everything without drop-outs. 73, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209249849243441099 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 673976c93989add415441586b597975eef18cf77 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs148178qbh; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.8.15 with SMTP id l15mr739104nfi; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h1si860850nfe.2006.07.18.06.48.42; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:48:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2ps6-00089Y-P7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:44:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2ps6-00089P-CG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:44:22 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.38]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G2ps3-0004vK-H8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:44:22 +0100 Received: from 88-106-98-83.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.98.83]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 18 Jul 2006 14:43:09 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HADCAvESKMQEBAQ Received: from 88-106-98-83.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.98.83]:2014 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1G2pqt-0005MB-Vk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:43:08 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:42:57 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <004b01c6a9d1$edf3ba70$6501a8c0@eagles> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.251,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: RE: DFCW on TS450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4901 Hi J, You could fit a 2nd sound card?? 73 Gary - G4WGT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of J. Allen Sent: 17 July 2006 19:51 To: LF (RSGB) Subject: LF: DFCW on TS450 Wolf and Friends, I need the soundcard for reception and monitoring my transmission, so it is not available for sending DFCW. J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208778293091458260 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 10dee84bcb0f4d08244bcee6ab0799921350071e Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs10436qbh; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.4.17 with SMTP id 17mr638179nfd; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a23si1638553nfc.2006.07.13.01.53.31; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 01:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G0wqN-0007k0-8D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:46:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G0wqM-0007jr-Ig for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:46:46 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0wqJ-0002Om-MW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 09:46:46 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 3763C707AC; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 02:51:21 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <00a801c6a658$d6fb8ae0$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "LF $RSGB$" , Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 08:46:31 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.083,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: VY1JA 137574 Beacon on Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4902 All, I returned from Edmonton so the VY1JA beacon has gone back on the air at 08:38 UTC Thursday morning. Please watch 137574 +/- The beacon sends my entire callsign repeating on QRSS60. J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208270376132360637 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 2ca0dd7cc4aeaae7c22581c98511cad5845da1ea Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs227327qbh; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 00:51:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.161.1 with SMTP id j1mr2733947nfe; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c28si436072nfb.2006.07.09.00.51.26; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 00:51:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FzTxN-0000Zn-Rk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 08:43:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FzTxN-0000Ze-Fq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 08:43:57 +0100 Received: from mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49] helo=mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FzTxJ-0005HZ-Ok for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 08:43:57 +0100 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060709074348.FWOR1865.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:43:48 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([82.10.67.170]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060709074347.UMMA18889.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 08:43:47 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 08:43:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <44B0C1A4.20187.4A6832A@localhost> In-reply-to: <000401c6a21e$4c168260$0300a8c0@lark> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.623,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4903 Certainly, basic tuning can be done with simple coil taps, but once that is done a transformer can be useful despite losses. This is because it separates matching from tuning, which can interact when using taps. For setting up any new station, an essential item is a loading coil with very many taps so that it can be easily varied from several microhenries to several millihenries. This is far easier to engineer than a variometer. The multi-tap coil can later be replaced with a fixed inductor and variometer. Mike, G3XDV ========== > . . . . . . . .. ............. The matching and tapping, or transformer, > if really necessary, can then come later. I am afraid I look at extra > components like transformers as sources of extra loss. They shouldnt > be necessary and you ought to be able to do it with a tap or a link > coil on the loading coil. . > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Scott Tilley > To: > Sent: 08 July 2006 00:08 > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Antenna Tuning > > > > J. > > > > Some pictures of the situation there would be of great assistance to > > all of us and may help in troubleshooting this great mystery! > > > > Beg, borrow or steal a digi camera! > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208270376132360637 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: d98256a21062057a136181de5e78038a97d7298a Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs207339qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.43.11 with SMTP id q11mr1859380nfq; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id z73si9867948nfb.2006.07.07.16.40.44; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:40:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fyzt4-0002gH-83 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:37:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fyzt3-0002g8-Rg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:37:29 +0100 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fyzt0-00012d-6b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:37:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 47660 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2006 23:37:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.117.175 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 23:37:19 -0000 Message-ID: <000401c6a21e$4c168260$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <004b01c6a1ec$92156fb0$6501a8c0@eagles> <014d01c6a217$9c3cdde0$7900a8c0@athlon1200> <007c01c6a219$4d3e79e0$6501a8c0@eagles> <44AEE973.6000103@telus.net> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:37:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.663 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4904 Or even describe how you are testing for resonance. I am worried you are taking into consideration all the "what ifs" that have been raised, many of which are 2nd order effects and really you need to keep it all as simple as possible at this stage. You obviously have too much inductance (for 136) and need to reduce that considerably first. I reckon you still have about twice too much inductance (30% too many turns) and dont forget if you are anywhere near a Loran-C chain you will receive a massive signal at 100kHz. That could make the waveform look a little odd. Actually you ought to be able to tune the wire by just putting the variable inductor in series between the wire and the RX and varying the the inductor for maximum received noise. ( This is how my rx Marconi is run.) Then adjust the inductor and work it up to 136KHz. I think also that this is best done at the antenna feed point not at then end of 250feet of coax. The matching and tapping, or transformer, if really necessary, can then come later. I am afraid I look at extra components like transformers as sources of extra loss. They shouldnt be necessary and you ought to be able to do it with a tap or a link coil on the loading coil. . Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Scott Tilley To: Sent: 08 July 2006 00:08 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Antenna Tuning > J. > > Some pictures of the situation there would be of great assistance to all > of us and may help in troubleshooting this great mystery! > > Beg, borrow or steal a digi camera! > > Scott > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208270376132360637 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: e951d9a490c9d3a4ac73521a257426500bc3e3f2 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs206856qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.40.16 with SMTP id s16mr1830845nfj; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p20si9852189nfc.2006.07.07.16.10.21; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyzRD-0002Sq-E3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:08:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyzRC-0002Sh-K1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:08:42 +0100 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.55]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FyzR8-0000sE-Jd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:08:42 +0100 Received: from priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edmwes50.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.05.01.01 201-2174-106-103-20060222) with ESMTP id <20060707230836.ZBPX25018.priv-edmwes50.telusplanet.net@priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net> for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:08:36 -0600 Received: from [192.168.1.1] (d64-180-173-28.bchsia.telus.net [64.180.173.28]) by priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net (BorderWare MXtreme Infinity Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 2D75G37SXC for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:08:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <44AEE973.6000103@telus.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:08:35 -0700 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004b01c6a1ec$92156fb0$6501a8c0@eagles> <014d01c6a217$9c3cdde0$7900a8c0@athlon1200> <007c01c6a219$4d3e79e0$6501a8c0@eagles> In-Reply-To: <007c01c6a219$4d3e79e0$6501a8c0@eagles> X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.729,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4905 J. Some pictures of the situation there would be of great assistance to all of us and may help in troubleshooting this great mystery! Beg, borrow or steal a digi camera! Scott > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208270376132360637 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 413d8991520e6292e523a2a4ee3d42cec8a89980 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs206750qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.61.3 with SMTP id o3mr1841926nfk; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a24si9786844nfc.2006.07.07.16.03.45; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:03:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyzL4-0002NN-RC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:02:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyzL4-0002NE-70 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:02:22 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FyzKy-0008Gl-T6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:02:22 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 89AEF50E5D; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:06:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <007c01c6a219$4d3e79e0$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "Dave Brown" , "LF $RSGB$" References: <004b01c6a1ec$92156fb0$6501a8c0@eagles> <014d01c6a217$9c3cdde0$7900a8c0@athlon1200> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 23:01:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.193,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4906 No, Dave, I was told long ago by Steve, to short the coax at the bottom end and feed both sides off the top of the variometer. When I did that my reception really improved. That has never changed since then. the antenna is an inverted L where the riser is coax shorted at its base. The coax is OK I find no problem with it by using the Ohm meter on the shield portion. Everything is back together. Today, however, I am finding that the antenna is consistent and shows a resonant point at about 98 kHz which is changing in relationship to the amount of inductance. There is another problem which I mentioned in my last message, however... At resonance the voltage waveform becomes a mess. I am following Scotts advice and building an isolating transformer. Once that is in play, I may be able to tune the antenna, and YES it looks like I had WAY too much inductance. J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Brown" To: Sent: Friday, 2006/07/07 22:49 PM Subject: Re: Antenna Tuning > So how did the coax look? > I was going to ask if you could provide a rough sketch of the > interconnections of everything as its so easy to misinterpret a written > description and make assumptions that are wrong about these sorts of > things-but just to confirm- > I understand this is the setup. > > You have a coax feedline (for LF) that has its outer grounded at the > tower base to the common ground point there. The coax inner is connected > to either a tap on the loading coil or the 'hot' end of a link winding > wound over the cold end of the loading coil. > > The bottom end of the link, if you are using one, is also grounded to the > common grounding point. > > The loading coil has its cold end grounded to the common tower base > grounding point and the top end is connected to the vertical part of the > LF antenna-be it the coax or a semi-vertical random wire etc- and > either/both of these have some/none top loading. > > The cable 'radiator' is spaced from the tower with what sort of clamps and > what are the details of the insulation at the clamp points? These need to > be able to sustain very high voltages even with quite low power. > > I understand the tower can be ungrounded or grounded at the base, to the > common grounding point. Normally it is grounded. > > Re the coax 'radiator', is the inner bonded to the outer at both the top > and bottom of the cable, or what configuration do you have? > > Just using the braid should work fine (ie inner not connected to anything > at both top and bottom) but it's worth knowing what you have done with > the inner as one possibility is all or part of the inner-outer cable > capacitance is somehow appearing in series with the top loading, so > details of the connections at top and bottom of the cable may be > significant. > > Hope reviewing these details helps some. > 73 > Dave > ZL3FJ > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Allen" > To: "LF (RSGB)" > Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 5:41 AM > Subject: LF: Antenna Tuning > > >> Mike and All, >> >> The reason the tower has been bonded to ground is that the tower supports >> HF antennas as well. The feed lines, rotor cable, and remote antenna >> relay control cable would need to be decoupled at LF which I am >> unfamiliar with accomplishing. My attempt to decouple was to put the >> feedline out at 4 feet from the tower. I do not want to get too far from >> the tower, because my ground system is tied to two 10 foot ground rods at >> the tower base. These ground rods are required by local electrical code >> for grounding the tower. If I unground the tower for LF, I have to find a >> way to connect the rods but have them decoupled at LF. >> >> Yesterday, to make sure that the HF wire antennas were not part of the >> problem, I took them all down. The only antenna left on the tower is a >> small A4 tribander. When this was done, it made no difference at all on >> the LF tuning. >> >> Does anyone know how far out from the tower will be the best distance for >> a 100 foot vertical riser of 1/2 inch coaxial cable? Would I be better >> off by making the vertical riser a single #11 wire instead of the coaxial >> cable? >> >> Mike, you said that this may not be the problem at all, because you had >> done a similar installation without these problems. What is different >> about your installation? >> >> Anyone who has been following, please brainstorm and think of any >> possibility which I should be looking for. Because I get confused, I >> could have made just about any kind of mistake imaginable in the >> construction of the antenna, but whatever it is, that antenna sure works >> on receive! >> >> I will be leaving for Edmonton for neuropsychological testing related to >> early Alzheimer's on July 9 and will be back on July 12. Please think >> about the antenna problems. I hope that someone can find the little fox >> in my antenna vineyard. >> >> J. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 4/07/2006 >> > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 4/07/2006 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208270376132360637 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 3fb864f7d39b654857f916ebfd366b27b23962d5 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs202773qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 12:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.93.18 with SMTP id v18mr1719314nfl; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r33si9703186nfc.2006.07.07.12.12.05; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 12:12:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fyvgt-0001eu-TO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 20:08:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fyvgt-0001el-DK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 20:08:39 +0100 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.14]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fyvgo-0006aa-9h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 20:08:39 +0100 Received: from tnt-2-79.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.79] helo=captbrian) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1Fyvgm-000KHX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 20:08:33 +0100 Message-ID: <004101c6a1f8$a97ada80$16c428c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <004b01c6a1ec$92156fb0$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:07:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4907 suggestions : Just ease away on the halyard so vertical sags away from the tower. ..to decouple further. Lower the top of the coax to the ground and check for dc continuity from braid at bottom to braid at the top. and also to the top sections. Remove the coax and use a plain wire vertical. Make both top sections the same length. Disconnect one top section for now and have a plain old fashioned inverted L Measure the resonant HF frequency of the antenna without bottom loading. That may reveal some discontinuity in the system. For test purposes : screw the ' local electrical code.' Any hams in the area who would come round to check your set-up? Where are you sampling the volts and amps that you expect to see out-of-phase ? Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Allen" To: "LF (RSGB)" Sent: 07 July 2006 18:41 Subject: LF: Antenna Tuning > Mike and All, > > The reason the tower has been bonded to ground is that the tower supports HF > antennas as well. The feed lines, rotor cable, and remote antenna relay > control cable would need to be decoupled at LF which I am unfamiliar with > accomplishing. My attempt to decouple was to put the feedline out at 4 feet > from the tower. I do not want to get too far from the tower, because my > ground system is tied to two 10 foot ground rods at the tower base. These > ground rods are required by local electrical code for grounding the tower. > If I unground the tower for LF, I have to find a way to connect the rods but > have them decoupled at LF. > > Yesterday, to make sure that the HF wire antennas were not part of the > problem, I took them all down. The only antenna left on the tower is a > small A4 tribander. When this was done, it made no difference at all on the > LF tuning. > > Does anyone know how far out from the tower will be the best distance for a > 100 foot vertical riser of 1/2 inch coaxial cable? Would I be better off by > making the vertical riser a single #11 wire instead of the coaxial cable? > > Mike, you said that this may not be the problem at all, because you had done > a similar installation without these problems. What is different about your > installation? > > Anyone who has been following, please brainstorm and think of any > possibility which I should be looking for. Because I get confused, I could > have made just about any kind of mistake imaginable in the construction of > the antenna, but whatever it is, that antenna sure works on receive! > > I will be leaving for Edmonton for neuropsychological testing related to > early Alzheimer's on July 9 and will be back on July 12. Please think about > the antenna problems. I hope that someone can find the little fox in my > antenna vineyard. > > J. > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 04/07/06 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208270376132360637 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 8041c8a0d00d499d3cf75e1a19e62be91d6232b9 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs201416qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.143.13 with SMTP id q13mr1696844nfd; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p72si5237039nfc.2006.07.07.11.20.24; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:20:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyutL-0001Uo-4K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:17:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyutK-0001Uf-Oi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:17:26 +0100 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.12]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FyutH-0006iG-RC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:17:26 +0100 Received: from tnt-2-22.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.22] helo=captbrian) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1FyutE-000CIW-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:17:21 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c6a1f1$826fe7c0$16c428c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <20060706221438.67409.qmail@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> <006001c6a174$cfe29890$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:38:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.105,DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=0.211 Subject: LF: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_06_12 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4908 Wild guess .Coax vertical conductor has parted under its own weight.?? substitute a temporary random wire instead of the whole antenna and thus prove your test and monitoring system is working. Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Allen" To: Sent: 07 July 2006 04:24 Subject: LF: Antenna Tuning > The tower is grounded at its base at this time, but is up on insulators and > can be ungrounded easily by disconnecting a 1/0 grounding conductor. > > The vertical portion of the antenna is a piece of coaxial cable spaced about > 4 feet away from the tower. > > Still no luck finding the first resonant point. All points have been checked > from 20 kHz through 250 kHz. It acts like I have a big capacitor connected > to the end of the coax. At the base of the antenna, I have installed a > relay and can switch between the dummy load and the antenna base loading > network. Whatever is wrong is wrong on the antenna side of that relay. If > the dummy load is put on the other connector it acts as a dummy should, so > the problem is not in the relay or its connection. If I substitute a lumped > constant for the antenna, the traces are as expected with the scope. > > I just do not seem to be able to find a resonant point using a frequency > divider and tiny amp. The scope traces are either sine wave traces but with > the voltage and current out of phase, or else really convoluted forms which > are in phase. > > I am still at step one. How to I get the two waveforms to coincide and at > the same time have them look like sinewaves? > > Any ideas where to go with this now? > > "J" > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 04/07/06 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208832990388812191 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c0990c97c65d879ea9da5eff1a453c57ef41bf2a Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs30894qbh; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.242.9 with SMTP id p9mr1389843nfh; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c10si3793214nfb.2006.07.13.16.22.54; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:22:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G1ATc-0001FB-3K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:20:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G1ATb-0001F2-MR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:20:11 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G1ATX-0001fq-NK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:20:11 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 4EA291D5B for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:24:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <005901c6a6d2$dcdd2020$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: References: <001901c6a6cc$bf0801b0$6501a8c0@eagles> <003701c6a6cf$ad7e1440$0300a8c0@lark> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:20:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.112,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: Re: DFCW TS450 FSK shift adjustment HELP? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4910 Alan, and All, A divide by 100 is used fed from the transceiver output at its lowest setting and connected to a small dummy load. The division makes the TS450 solid as a rock at 137 kHz. with essentially NO drift and gives fine frequency readout and resolution. I am hoping that there is an internal potentiometer adjustment which I circumvent with a resistor or jumper to drag the shift down. If low shift frequency can only be accomplished with a chainsaw and sledgehammer approach, I will skip it as the rig will be used for HF and MF again when my experimental license for 137 kHz. expires next May. If someone can come up with a quick solution, the change will go in for tonight's transmissions. Thanks, J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208110107382287243 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 456b78812b9c6124a8240458275e7efec7a91e26 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs142026qbh; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.218.19 with SMTP id q19mr43836nfg; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c1si1987119nfe.2006.07.05.16.53.00; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:53:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyH7J-0003bj-4T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:49:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyH7I-0003ba-D3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:49:12 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FyH7E-0002xe-HG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:49:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 53167 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 23:49:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.12.216 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 23:49:02 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.9/382]); Thu, 06 Jul 2006 00:46:28 +0100 Message-ID: <003101c6a08d$3c0f33e0$d80c7ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <001101c69f68$fa306a90$6501a8c0@eagles> <001801c69f70$bef1a9a0$0300a8c0@lark> <000901c69f77$db074850$6501a8c0@eagles> <007501c6a05c$f69da600$3ece28c3@captbrian> <00a401c6a068$89d023c0$3ece28c3@captbrian> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 00:46:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-2.125,RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.026,RCVD_IN_SORBS_MISC=1.597 Subject: LF: Re: Antenna Tuning - variometers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4911 ----- Original Message ----- From: captbrian To: Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:23 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Antenna Tuning > ongoing thought, If you use half the fixed coil and all of the varying coil > in series [ F/2 - V ] you should come near to zero inductance with coils > in opposition - certainly quite a low value. Dear Bryan, LF Group, For the variometer to go to zero, the mutual inductance has to cancel out the self inductance of the fixed and moveable coils when they are in the "opposing" position - in other words the magnetic fluxes generated by the two coils when they are carrying the same current have to cancel out perfectly, or they have to have a (negative) unity coupling coefficient. This can never be quite achieved in practice, k is always less than 1, but to get close you have to minimise the gap between the two coils. In the usual design of variometer, the moving inner coil has to be considerably smaller in diameter so that it can rotate to any angle inside the outer coil, and this restricts the tuning range due to the large gaps required. There are other geometrical forms of variometer that don't have this restriction, and have a larger range of variation, getting closer to L = 0. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208338000489907197 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 6972fd317a6dbfd4f1fa856be54ffabf9affdbc3 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs215659qbh; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 05:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.233.18 with SMTP id f18mr2204291nfh; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o9si4288005nfa.2006.07.08.05.15.15; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FzBgR-0004nU-N6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 13:13:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FzBgR-0004nL-BP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 13:13:15 +0100 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FzBgO-0007Yv-F2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 13:13:15 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id l.3cb.49282a5 (58550) for ; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:09:17 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <3cb.49282a5.31e0fa6d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 08:09:17 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.002,HTML_10_20=0.295,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: QRM in Eastern Europe - vice versa? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3cb.49282a5.31e0fa6d_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4912 --part1_3cb.49282a5.31e0fa6d_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear LF, another point worth mentioning is the possibility of interference from an amateur transmitter to a telecontrol receiver. In the period before 1 W ERP was generally permitted in Germany, a few of us were asked by the authorities to submit technical reports on our LF activities. One aspect I covered in some detail was potential interference to a dense population of DCF 39 receivers. It was shown that, assuming 40 to 50 dB selectivity in the 139 kHz receiver, this would be very unlikely beyond nearfield ranges of about 150 meters from the amateur. However a HA station transmitting near the lower band edge would be cochannel interference to a receiver on 135.6 kHz. With 53 dB ERP difference and near the fringe of their coverage, it could potentially disrupt EFR service within a couple of kilometers. 73 Markus, DF6NM --part1_3cb.49282a5.31e0fa6d_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF,

another point worth mentioning is the possibility of interference from an am= ateur transmitter to a telecontrol receiver.

In the period before 1 W ERP was generally permitted in Germany, a few of us= were asked by the authorities to submit technical reports on our LF activit= ies. One aspect I covered in some detail was potential interference to a den= se population of DCF 39 receivers. It was shown that, assuming 40 to 50 dB s= electivity in the 139 kHz receiver, this would be very unlikely beyond nearf= ield ranges of about 150 meters from the amateur. However a HA station trans= mitting near the lower band edge would be cochannel interference to a receiv= er on 135.6 kHz. With 53 dB ERP difference and near the fringe of their cove= rage, it could potentially disrupt EFR service within a couple of kilometers= .

73
Markus, DF6NM
--part1_3cb.49282a5.31e0fa6d_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208417185678541492 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 73bf0949060b07394b7519883e8195b8fdc118b6 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs229726qbh; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 03:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.61.3 with SMTP id o3mr2786432nfk; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p20si11264562nfc.2006.07.09.03.14.30; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 03:14:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FzWFn-0000vr-SB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:11:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FzWFn-0000vi-6O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:11:07 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FzWFj-0003Ro-9e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:11:07 +0100 Received: (qmail 52517 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2006 10:09:57 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?81.131.15.36?) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.15.36 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2006 10:09:57 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.10/383]); Sun, 09 Jul 2006 11:07:21 +0100 Message-ID: <001f01c6a33f$778c7a40$240f8351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <000e01c6a30c$3e84bf60$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 11:07:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.291 Subject: LF: Re: transformer question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4913 Dear J, LF Group, I have been following your antenna problems with interest, and am glad to hear you are finally QRV! As far as the transformer design goes - don't change anything yet... With the windings you describe, the transformer will certainly be having a significant effect on the impedance transformation of the overall network, and so if you start making substantial changes to the transformer, you will quite probably lose the impedance match. So although the transformer may be less than ideal, best to leave well alone for now! It is difficult to make any useful comment about possible improvements to the tuning system without knowing what the current tuning system is exactly. Re-reading your previous e-mails, the variometer is connected between antenna and ground, with a link winding to couple it to the coax; I imagine the link is connected between the coax inner and ground. Presumably the link winding is wound around the variometer somehow - could you describe something about it's dimensions, number of turns, position relative to variometer windings? I can't really visualise where the isolating transformer would be connected in the system (or what it would isolate, as far as impedance matching is concerned), so perhaps you could describe how that is connected. Will be looking out for your signals next time you are QRV, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Allen To: LF (RSGB) ; Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 5:00 AM Subject: LF: transformer question > Alan and All, > > Alan, you were concerned about the transformer that was added between the > coax and the loading coil at the base of the 137 kHz. antenna. Here > follow-up to your question. > > If you remember it is a bifilar winding of ten turns which takes up on inch > length on a 10-3/4 inch form. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208417185678541492 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 59bd231b92dd7c403a0c4f237b08c19951d39982 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs228473qbh; Sun, 9 Jul 2006 02:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.15.1 with SMTP id s1mr2763841nfi; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 02:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y24si11224170nfb.2006.07.09.02.13.52; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 02:13:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FzVJx-0000lZ-7g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 10:11:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FzVJw-0000lQ-Ht for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 10:11:20 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.195]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FzVJs-0002oe-Hv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 09 Jul 2006 10:11:20 +0100 Received: (qmail 28456 invoked from network); 9 Jul 2006 09:10:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.18.33 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jul 2006 09:10:10 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c6a337$7d9b5b20$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <000e01c6a30c$3e84bf60$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 10:10:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.842 Subject: LF: Re: transformer question Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4914 Hi J, yes you may still have some effect there. My simple thoughts on tranformers are as follows. If you are only aiming at 136kHz wide-banding the transformer is not so important so bi-filar winding is not so important, though it will keep down the losses. Overwinding the two winding should be adequate. The turns should be calculated so that the reactive inductance is about 3 to 5 times the expected / required load impedance. So the 50 ohm side should have enough turns to have a reactance of 150 to 250 ohms at 136kHz. My guess is you do not want a 1:1 transformer anyway as it looks as though the resonant impedance of your antenna system is about 12 ohms, so you actually need a 2:1 step-up from the antenna to the coax. Roughly this means you need to double the number of turns on the coax side of the transformer, the antenna side is probably about right. This being the case just overwind the two windings on the core with a few taps on the 50ohm side to achieve the matching, after the antenna has been resonated (made purely resistive.) The best way to find the right tap maybe to look at the scopemeter with a dummy load on the end of the coax, and adjust the taps after resonating to get the same picture. To Mike G3XDV, J's problem has been that he had several millihenries in the coil following our literature but he has a much bigger antenna system that is common in the UK....he has a capacity of 1200 to 1300 pF !! so he only need a coil of several hundred micro-henries....maybe 1mH at the very most. He was not geting up to resonance, and at the end of 250feet feet of coax was getting strange results. Well done on getting some fragments to Scott, you should be able to bridge 1000miles easily on QRSS with 100W and that antenna. I have achieved 500 miles (just !!) with 2W to a much smaller system (30foot high 800pF Marconi). Best Wishes de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Allen To: LF (RSGB) ; Sent: 09 July 2006 05:00 Subject: LF: transformer question > Alan and All, > > Alan, you were concerned about the transformer that was added between the > coax and the loading coil at the base of the 137 kHz. antenna. Here > follow-up to your question. > > If you remember it is a bifilar winding of ten turns which takes up on inch > length on a 10-3/4 inch form. > > I used Solenoid3 which may or may not be the right tool for the job, and > calculate the self-impedance of the windings to be just about 50 Ohms at > 137.8 kHz. I do not know if 50 Ohms is good, bad or what. Can anyone tell > me? > > I am concerned that the 50 Ohms of self impedance might be giving me a false > OK on my system and that I actually still have antenna problems even though > the system radiates and looks matched. > > Even in the bad conditions yesterday, some bits of the transmission have > appeared on Scott's screen 1000 Miles distant, and we are trying it again > tonight. > > The transformer was wound by guess, since I cannot remember if I have seen > any data on properly wining a solenoid type transformer with bifilar > winding. > > Anyone know the answer or have a link to the information on winding these? > > J. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209037089852595358 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 76b1f60333e99743d30973ae046adc6b293bbd4c Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs111674qbh; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.202.19 with SMTP id z19mr1839671nff; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p20si1619014nfc.2006.07.17.03.49.55; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 03:49:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2QcY-00088F-S4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:46:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2QcX-000886-D0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:46:37 +0100 Received: from smtp2-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.28]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2QcT-00048d-Fk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:46:37 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp2-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 229A775585 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:46:33 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44BB6A87.3020303@online.fr> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:46:31 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200607170941.k6H9fiYA013923@post.webmailer.de> In-Reply-To: <200607170941.k6H9fiYA013923@post.webmailer.de> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.697 Subject: Re: LF: VY1JA 137,778 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4915 Hi Hartmut , TNX for this good info ! 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj Hartmut Wolff a =E9crit : > There is no darkness path between VY1 and Europe at this time of the ye= ar. I > think we have to wait until september for a full darkness path. > > 73 > Hartmut > www.h-wolff.de > > > =20 >> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 >> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von=20 >> Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 >> Gesendet: Montag, 17. Juli 2006 10:36 >> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> Betreff: Re: LF: VY1JA 137,778 >> >> Hello , >> Also i monitored your frequency , nothing here ( many static=20 >> crach ! ) >> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj in JN06ht >> >> Mike Dennison a =E9crit : >> =20 >>>> Beacon tonight: VY1JA QRSS30 on 137,778 on now. >>>> Possible sked with VE7TIL DFCW ~09:00 UTC. >>>> Captures appreciated. >>>> =20 >>>> =20 >>> I monitored your freq here but nothing seen. >>> >>> Mike, G3XDV >>> =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> =20 >>> =20 >> -- >> Visitez mon site radioamateur =E0 : http://jpmere.online.fr/=20 >> Analys=E9 avec Norton Antivirus garanti sans virus connu >> >> >> >> =20 > > > > > =20 --=20 Visitez mon site radioamateur =E0 : http://jpmere.online.fr/ Analys=E9 avec Norton Antivirus garanti sans virus connu From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209037089852595358 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 04863cd2bdfa49a0a1b530fcce967d4dac8071f7 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs110205qbh; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.20.15 with SMTP id x15mr1793956nfi; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a23si2187829nfc.2006.07.17.02.46.38; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:46:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2Pcy-0007fk-B8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:43:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2Pcx-0007fb-Vg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:42:59 +0100 Received: from natlemon.rzone.de ([81.169.145.170]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G2Pcu-000092-6K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:42:59 +0100 Received: from w2 (p54867B40.dip.t-dialin.net [84.134.123.64]) by post.webmailer.de (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6H9fiYA013923 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:41:45 +0200 (MEST) Message-Id: <200607170941.k6H9fiYA013923@post.webmailer.de> From: "Hartmut Wolff" To: Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:42:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 In-Reply-To: <44BB4BF7.6090100@online.fr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcapfO6O3CH+1QLYTgGo8pp0oj462wAB8Z8g X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.200 Subject: Re: LF: VY1JA 137,778 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4916 There is no darkness path between VY1 and Europe at this time of the = year. I think we have to wait until september for a full darkness path. 73 Hartmut www.h-wolff.de > -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von=20 > Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 > Gesendet: Montag, 17. Juli 2006 10:36 > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Betreff: Re: LF: VY1JA 137,778 >=20 > Hello , > Also i monitored your frequency , nothing here ( many static=20 > crach ! ) > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj in JN06ht >=20 > Mike Dennison a =E9crit : > >> Beacon tonight: VY1JA QRSS30 on 137,778 on now. > >> Possible sked with VE7TIL DFCW ~09:00 UTC. > >> Captures appreciated. > >> =20 > > > > I monitored your freq here but nothing seen. > > > > Mike, G3XDV > > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > > > > > > =20 >=20 > -- > Visitez mon site radioamateur =E0 : http://jpmere.online.fr/=20 > Analys=E9 avec Norton Antivirus garanti sans virus connu >=20 >=20 >=20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209037089852595358 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 6f3bda96ecf83a3b0a59471ddf1dd3ad610ca8c3 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs108725qbh; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 01:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.42.5 with SMTP id u5mr1739183nfj; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 01:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m15si1491971nfc.2006.07.17.01.42.53; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 01:42:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2Ob1-0007Cs-Kr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:36:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2Oaw-0007Cj-8V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:36:50 +0100 Received: from smtp2-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.28]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2Oar-0002vY-3I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:36:50 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp2-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 414B97370B for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:36:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44BB4BF7.6090100@online.fr> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:36:07 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <44BB5528.19964.10E15E@localhost> In-Reply-To: <44BB5528.19964.10E15E@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.710 Subject: Re: LF: VY1JA 137,778 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4917 Hello , Also i monitored your frequency , nothing here ( many static crach ! ) 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj in JN06ht Mike Dennison a =E9crit : >> Beacon tonight: VY1JA QRSS30 on 137,778 on now. >> Possible sked with VE7TIL DFCW ~09:00 UTC. >> Captures appreciated. >> =20 > > I monitored your freq here but nothing seen. > > Mike, G3XDV > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > > > > > =20 --=20 Visitez mon site radioamateur =E0 : http://jpmere.online.fr/ Analys=E9 avec Norton Antivirus garanti sans virus connu From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209037089852595358 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: f025de9dafdf47656fe9c678800c1614fccc2c4d Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs108412qbh; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 01:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.254.1 with SMTP id b1mr1728381nfi; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 01:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r34si1450753nfc.2006.07.17.01.18.37; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 01:18:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2OGP-00072p-VI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:15:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2OGP-00072g-KI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:15:37 +0100 Received: from mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49] helo=mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G2OGK-0007jP-Pw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:15:37 +0100 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060717081527.EBBC1865.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:15:27 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([82.10.67.170]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060717081526.KWXL17397.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:15:26 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 09:15:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <44BB5528.19964.10E15E@localhost> In-reply-to: <004a01c6a897$99e8d9a0$6501a8c0@eagles> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.592,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: VY1JA 137,778 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4918 > Beacon tonight: VY1JA QRSS30 on 137,778 on now. > Possible sked with VE7TIL DFCW ~09:00 UTC. > Captures appreciated. I monitored your freq here but nothing seen. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209037089852595358 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: f4f293e15b1bd26625abe1b8f1eb8376cdd9765c Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs83394qbh; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:27:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.2.14 with SMTP id e14mr885435nfi; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a23si898204nfc.2006.07.15.22.26.59; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 22:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G1z4O-0001wB-Rq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:21:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G1z4O-0001w2-24 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:21:32 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G1z4K-0007jQ-8Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:21:32 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 69ECE79EC1; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:25:48 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <004a01c6a897$99e8d9a0$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "LF $RSGB$" , Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 05:20:50 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.249,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=0.365 Subject: LF: VY1JA 137,778 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4919 All, Beacon tonight: VY1JA QRSS30 on 137,778 on now. Possible sked with VE7TIL DFCW ~09:00 UTC. Captures appreciated. Thanks, J CP20kw From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209178410679892262 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 782afb22d54550b4698db69db765e5b4ea16736b Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs127011qbh; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.143.13 with SMTP id q13mr2251139nfd; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y23si1687441nfb.2006.07.17.11.53.13; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 11:53:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2Y9P-00020w-NC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:49:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2Y9P-00020n-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:49:03 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G2Y9L-0005J3-02 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:49:03 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 8AAFB41A42 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:53:54 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <004501c6a9d1$a4953a20$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: References: <000001c6a99c$0848d120$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 18:48:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.050,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: RE: DFCW, power and time. Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4920 Jim Steve pointed that out and asked me to check the coil temperature and I was to do it last night and forgot. I will put the carrier on and leave it then drop the carrier and check for heat immediately. That will be my next test. If that is the problem then I may reexamine the tuner. If it has to be redone it is a shame, because it looks so good on the scope. Lately, when the wind blows here the current waveform blows slightly behind and ahead of the current, and as Steve says, it almost looks alive. Signal reports and captures are quite good for a 100 Watt transmitter from down in southern BC, so something is right. I have never taken the antenna current meter out of the circuit, so perhaps it is time to put it in the coax inside the shack on the line going out to the antenna. In a 50 Ohm system, the current should be 1.414 amps. If I still see nearly no current, the problem is with the meter. How does that sound as a plan: check for heat, check the meter? Any other suggestions? J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208101417276984948 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 447ab7b0097ddc45c23ccf58fa936ff3c5e59a6e Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs139518qbh; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.37.10 with SMTP id p10mr4279092nfj; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 14:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l27si7435803nfa.2006.07.05.14.34.52; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 14:34:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyEzF-00033v-NO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 22:32:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyEzF-00033m-AT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 22:32:45 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.139]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FyEzC-0006eB-A2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 22:32:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 28241 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 21:32:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.141.127.243 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 21:32:32 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 22:33:41 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <001501c6a077$3ecccf40$d80c7ad5@w4o8m9> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.977,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: LF loading coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4921 Dear Gary, LF. I have just finished rewinding my loading coil. The original 3.2mH coil was wound with 150 turns of 2.5mm cross-sectional area pvc covered solid copper wire,(i.e. mains cable inner) The coil is 300mm dia and 500mm high, and the antenna is a "Tee" at 6m with a 60m top. The antenna capacity to ground is about 390 pF. I rewound it with Litz wire of about the same cross-sectional area, and got an antenna current increase of 15%. Not much, but every little helps. I haven't tried a short, fat loading coil yet, but the indications are that short fat coils have lower losses. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of James Moritz Sent: 05 July 2006 22:09 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: LF loading coils Dear Gary, LF group, ...But there is another justification for making a high-Q loading coil, and that is power dissipation. If you are trying to run 1kW into a small antenna, it isn't hard to end up with a few hundred watts dissipated in the loading coil if this has mediocre Q. This would only reduce the radiated signal by about 1dB or so compared to a perfect, zero-loss loading coil, but it would certainly make the coil get warm! A big, high Q coil dissipates less power in the first place, and has more surface area to dissipate the heat, too. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary - G4WGT To: Cc: LW Wave Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:11 PM Subject: LF: RE: Re: LF loading coils > Hi Alan & Steve, > > You made almost identical comments. > ***************** > > So I will give that idea a "MISS" > > Thanks to you both for your comments. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209905319086441944 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: b7d7600a8d036bf526ad404701d389e19d947785 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs253545qbh; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.202.19 with SMTP id z19mr1143606nff; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r33si1165267nfc.2006.07.25.12.27.07; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 12:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G5SUX-0008JG-S9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:22:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G5SUX-0008J7-Gi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:22:53 +0100 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G5SUT-0008Fg-D5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 20:22:53 +0100 Received: from fwd35.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1G5SUS-0000BU-00; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:22:48 +0200 Received: from HW1 (XRg1Q8ZbYexXbQhBLoQ6RxMZ7RfZWTLuMEWUoguNyjIAQfzFhMpMQU@[84.133.115.241]) by fwd35.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1G5SUL-22HIUS0; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:22:41 +0200 Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 21:22:41 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! 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(qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 10 Jul 2006 20:09:16 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c6a45c$5d516640$6abe3b3e@fujitsu> From: "Dick" To: Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 22:05:10 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.719,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: some new 136kHz stn pictures online Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C6A46C.E9192400" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,HTML_60_70, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4923 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C6A46C.E9192400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Some new pictures from the antenna and antenna tuner are posted on = www.pa6z.nl Last picture is me working Mal, G3KEV 73 Dick, PA4VHF ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C6A46C.E9192400 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Some new pictures from the antenna and = antenna=20 tuner are posted on www.pa6z.nl

Last picture is me working Mal, = G3KEV

Dick, PA4VHF

------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C6A46C.E9192400-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209251962434680841 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 9244165f598481c0289d18dc38474079f1a6d08d Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs149332qbh; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.42.1 with SMTP id p1mr757708nfp; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l32si889931nfa.2006.07.18.07.22.18; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2qPB-0008Lp-I6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:18:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2qPB-0008Lg-2R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:18:33 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2qP6-0007CD-GZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:18:32 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id BB16A33AF for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:23:32 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001701c6aa75$07a3aae0$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: References: <009f01c6aa0e$aedf1f40$6501a8c0@eagles> <001201c6aa42$e08f77e0$0300a8c0@lark> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 14:18:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.067,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: RF Ammeter; DFCW Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4925 Alan, The dead meter was a thermal meter and it was in a separate metal case. I will remove it and check it out. Gary, The second sound card is a possibility I had not thought about. It will be examined after work today. Gotta run... J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208297017647809365 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 86f5aa4cb18ef190e07bda203a596c1ada7c2f40 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs208879qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.15.1 with SMTP id s1mr1915790nfi; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a24si9901647nfc.2006.07.07.18.47.22; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:47:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fz1sm-00038J-NM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:45:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fz1sm-00038A-BT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:45:20 +0100 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.55]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fz1sj-0002Us-Ka for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:45:20 +0100 Received: from priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edmwes50.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.05.01.01 201-2174-106-103-20060222) with ESMTP id <20060708014506.EBLW25018.priv-edmwes50.telusplanet.net@priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net> for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:45:06 -0600 Received: from [192.168.1.1] (d64-180-173-28.bchsia.telus.net [64.180.173.28]) by priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net (BorderWare MXtreme Infinity Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 6D50GBDGN9 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:45:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <44AF0E21.4070401@telus.net> Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:45:05 -0700 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004b01c6a1ec$92156fb0$6501a8c0@eagles> <014d01c6a217$9c3cdde0$7900a8c0@athlon1200> <007c01c6a219$4d3e79e0$6501a8c0@eagles> <44AEE973.6000103@telus.net> <008a01c6a22c$d54111f0$6501a8c0@eagles> In-Reply-To: <008a01c6a22c$d54111f0$6501a8c0@eagles> X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.699,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: Re: LF: TUNED! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4926 J. I'm QRV until July 16, 2006 for this year and expect the extension before then until June 30th, 2007. I'm listening now in the NA watering hole and tuning up before dark. Maybe we can do this CW! 73 Scott J. Allen wrote: > Steve, Scott, Jim, Dave, and All, > > Thank you very much for your help. The antenna is tuned and now the > traces look like the ones on the dummyload. > > It ended up with very little inductance, per suggestion from the group > and with the isolation transformer Scott suggested, but made with a > bifilar transformer wound on that 10-3/4 inch form because the TV > Horizontal transformer cause a phase shift for some reason. > > Also, no matter what I did with Variometer connections, the inductance > was too high. I ended up using the taps at the bottom and about 1/2 > of the single bottom winding. Without any variometer action, it hit > right on 137760! > > Without the isolation transformer, everytime I came to resonance the > voltage waveform was awful, and I could not recognize resonance. With > the transformer, resonance is a beautiful set. When I get a digital > camera, I can send it to Steve or Scott. > > I plan to solder all the connections another time. I am tired of > working out there in the mosquitoes. > > Scott, > > Do you have time tonight to try with VY1JA on about 100 Watts? > > See you all next winter. > > J > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208297017647809365 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 7ca70ee6326ab1f827c3eda15b79e7c7c763bbcf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs208527qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 18:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.161.11 with SMTP id j11mr1898665nfe; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p43si180357nfa.2006.07.07.18.23.51; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:23:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fz1Vs-000306-9t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:21:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fz1Vr-0002zx-Pu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:21:39 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fz1Vm-0000rL-QG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 02:21:39 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id D6FF014491; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:25:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <008a01c6a22c$d54111f0$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: , "Scott Tilley" , "Steve McDonald" References: <004b01c6a1ec$92156fb0$6501a8c0@eagles> <014d01c6a217$9c3cdde0$7900a8c0@athlon1200> <007c01c6a219$4d3e79e0$6501a8c0@eagles> <44AEE973.6000103@telus.net> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 01:21:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.169,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: TUNED! Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4927 Steve, Scott, Jim, Dave, and All, Thank you very much for your help. The antenna is tuned and now the traces look like the ones on the dummyload. It ended up with very little inductance, per suggestion from the group and with the isolation transformer Scott suggested, but made with a bifilar transformer wound on that 10-3/4 inch form because the TV Horizontal transformer cause a phase shift for some reason. Also, no matter what I did with Variometer connections, the inductance was too high. I ended up using the taps at the bottom and about 1/2 of the single bottom winding. Without any variometer action, it hit right on 137760! Without the isolation transformer, everytime I came to resonance the voltage waveform was awful, and I could not recognize resonance. With the transformer, resonance is a beautiful set. When I get a digital camera, I can send it to Steve or Scott. I plan to solder all the connections another time. I am tired of working out there in the mosquitoes. Scott, Do you have time tonight to try with VY1JA on about 100 Watts? See you all next winter. J From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208299946115419166 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 57d99f174b7ffd23a79ad283e79f8cd1acbf88a3 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs209122qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 19:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.15.1 with SMTP id s1mr1928477nfi; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l32si765635nfa.2006.07.07.19.10.24; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 19:10:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fz2Ev-0003FN-Ku for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:08:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fz2Ev-0003FE-6k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:08:13 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fz2Es-0002ep-DO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 03:08:13 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 8251714DD9; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:12:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <00cb01c6a233$5ab21590$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: , "Scott Tilley" References: <004b01c6a1ec$92156fb0$6501a8c0@eagles> <014d01c6a217$9c3cdde0$7900a8c0@athlon1200> <007c01c6a219$4d3e79e0$6501a8c0@eagles> <44AEE973.6000103@telus.net> <008a01c6a22c$d54111f0$6501a8c0@eagles> <44AF0E21.4070401@telus.net> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 02:08:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.095,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Getting ready for our contact Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4936 Scott, I got so excited about finally getting this antenna tuned that I fumbled with a live wire and blew out an internal fuse in the power supply for the VFO. I have to take things apart, change the fuse and reassemble for VFO control to work. If for some reason that does not work, I can switch back to Steve's crystal control. I think it was on 137,574 +/- Otherwise the frequency will be 137,778.4 +/- After this message, the email traffic will be directly to your address so the rsgb net does not have too much fluff on it. J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208190535334211442 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: cc7c5188291fbe91f1d5fb5b4fe18e8a5f816639 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs173908qbh; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.43.18 with SMTP id q18mr781010nfq; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m15si8608835nfc.2006.07.06.14.11.20; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:11:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fyb4X-0006xr-AY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:07:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fyb4W-0006xi-U3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:07:40 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.38]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fyb4R-0002MV-H4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 22:07:40 +0100 Received: from 88-106-110-197.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.110.197]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 06 Jul 2006 22:06:40 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HANsXrUSKFSw Received: from 88-106-110-197.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.110.197]:1350 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Fyb3X-000DTN-DW; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 21:06:39 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF $Rsgb LF Group$" Cc: "LW Wave" Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:07:27 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.817,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: Loading Coil Q - Ooooooops! 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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209222943466497828 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 5e235cf4ee92651ea62de58487ad5931d95c49d2 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs139496qbh; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.75.2 with SMTP id c2mr352730nfl; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x1si475112nfb.2006.07.17.23.41.02; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:41:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2jD8-0005uZ-Gg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:37:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2jD8-0005uQ-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:37:38 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2jD2-0003nK-Qe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:37:37 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 8285A4D4E5 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:42:05 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <00dc01c6aa34$91d05a10$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: References: <009f01c6aa0e$aedf1f40$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:36:58 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.071,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Cutting Torroid cores Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4955 Mike, >I would try a wet tile saw, the kind you use to cut floor tiles for the >wife...LOL!!! The wet saw is an excellent idea, but I would actually have to borrow Ann's saw. She did all the ceramics and the Italian 1 foot square stuff in our home when we built it. Ann does masonry and original ornamental concrete castings as one of her winter hobbies. I had no idea that those saws could cut ferrite and iron powder cores... You do realize that if the core damages the saw you will be reading an obituary about some unbelievable accident I had... :o) J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209798070011459082 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 2c48e272479a562b96b5338edb35d7f1bca5fac0 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs207975qbh; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.161.1 with SMTP id j1mr2803460nfe; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l27si3410777nfa.2006.07.24.08.02.22; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 08:02:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G51nd-0005Mp-Bb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:52:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G51nc-0005Mg-W4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:52:48 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc1-s16.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.88]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G51nX-0005uW-Bs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 15:52:48 +0100 Received: from BAY116-W1 ([64.4.38.101]) by bay0-omc1-s16.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 24 Jul 2006 07:52:15 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [218.82.210.14] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Laurence KL1X" To: "lowfer2" , "rsgb_lf_group" Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 06:52:15 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2006 14:52:15.0808 (UTC) FILETIME=[C1024400:01C6AF30] X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-2.965,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD=2.132,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_db7dbe4d-2b22-4b71-9ec9-17de7e7b8cae_" Subject: LF: On air X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4956 --_db7dbe4d-2b22-4b71-9ec9-17de7e7b8cae_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well not exactly on air but I have my eprobe extended out of the apartment = window on a 7m fishing pole (not all the way) and can actually hear FSK on = around 23/23Khz - the R75 is still in transit and I wont get it till after = I return from Singapore in a few weeks. Given the three pylons or more with= in 60m of this location I didnt think Id hear anything but wonderful to hea= r the warble.... =20 Laurence KL1X/Gm4dma in BY =20 Shanghai - and for those with Google Earth... 31 deg 14 mins 40.58 secs N 121 deg 34 mins 51.10 secs E =20 =20 _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com - your fast, personalized homepage with all the things you car= e about in one place. http://www.live.com/getstarted= --_db7dbe4d-2b22-4b71-9ec9-17de7e7b8cae_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Well not exactly on air but I have my eprobe extended out of the apar= tment window on a 7m fishing pole (not all the way) and can actually hear F= SK on around 23/23Khz - the R75 is still in transit and I = wont get it till after I return from Singapore in a few weeks. Given the th= ree pylons or more within 60m of this location I didnt think Id hear anythi= ng but wonderful to hear the warble....

Laurence KL1X/Gm4dma in BY

Shanghai - and for those with Google Earth...
31 deg 14 mins 40.58 secs N
121 deg 34 mins 51.10 secs E

Be one of the first to try Windows Live Mail beta=0A= = --_db7dbe4d-2b22-4b71-9ec9-17de7e7b8cae_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208257214314720731 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: e3f8051a36ebd7cb87bce5e669e84ca8520a2337 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs217552qbh; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 07:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.56.2 with SMTP id i2mr2285685nfk; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 07:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r33si10542672nfc.2006.07.08.07.35.46; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 07:35:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FzDra-0005BJ-TN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 15:32:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FzDra-0005BA-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 15:32:54 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.188]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FzDrW-000053-Oi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 15:32:54 +0100 Received: from [217.251.224.112] (helo=W1KW) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwh2-1FzDrV1Tde-00062H; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 16:32:50 +0200 Message-ID: <002101c6a29b$5ea96c30$0100a8c0@W1KW> From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" To: References: <3cb.49282a5.31e0fa6d@aol.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 16:32:41 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:a8046abf013a2aee3cd9c470ba16bfdf X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.014,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: QRM in Eastern Europe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001E_01C6A2AC.21BFCB50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4959 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C6A2AC.21BFCB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi folks, I had gotten the information below already in 2004 from "the usually = well informed inofficial sources". So it seems that this information = finally becomes true ... :-( Vy 73 Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" > To: > Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 10:28 AM > Subject: New (non-ham) LF transmitter in HA > > > > Hello LF-Folks, > > > > I got the information, that Hungary plans to set up a remote control > > transmitter similar to DCF39 on 135.6 kHz by end of this year. It is > planned > > to make use of an old 314 m hight antenna tower near Budapest with = the > > nickname "the cigar" (see attachment). > > > > The planned protocol is similar to the DCF39 transmissions. It is = not yet > > clear if the frequency 135.6 kHz is the mark, the space or the = center of > the > > transmissions. I hope that we will not suffer from the planned 100 = kW > > transmissions but benefit from them in the same way as we do by = using > DCF39 > > as a beacon and propagation indicator. > > > > Best 73 > > > > Geri, DK8KW (W1KW) ------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C6A2AC.21BFCB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi folks,

I had gotten the information below = already in=20 2004 from "the usually well informed inofficial sources". So it seems = that this=20 information finally becomes true ... :-(

Vy 73

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO

> ----- Original Message = -----
> From:=20 "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" <holger.kinzel@qru.de>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> = Sent: Sunday,=20 March 07, 2004 10:28 AM
> Subject: New (non-ham) LF transmitter in = HA
>
>
> > Hello LF-Folks,
> >
> = > I got=20 the information, that Hungary plans to set up a = remote=20 control
> > transmitter similar to DCF39 on 135.6 kHz by end of = this=20 year. It is
> planned
> > to make use of an old 314 m = hight=20 antenna tower near Budapest with the
> > nickname "the cigar" = (see=20 attachment).
> >
> > The planned protocol is similar = to the=20 DCF39 transmissions. It is not
yet
> > clear if the = frequency 135.6=20 kHz is the mark, the space or the center of
> the
> >=20 transmissions. I hope that we will not suffer from the planned 100 = kW
>=20 > transmissions but benefit from them in the same way as we do by=20 using
> DCF39
> > as a beacon and propagation = indicator.
>=20 >
> > Best 73
> >
> > Geri, DK8KW=20 (W1KW)

------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C6A2AC.21BFCB50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208257214314720731 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 566b7b37592659412b60917343ef0618f49a07f9 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs205192qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 14:09:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.143.13 with SMTP id q13mr1806522nfd; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m15si9804463nfc.2006.07.07.14.09.13; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:09:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyxX8-0001x7-R7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:06:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyxX8-0001wy-7Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:06:42 +0100 Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.4] helo=imo-m23.mail.aol.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FyxX4-0007XW-3N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 22:06:42 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id l.483.4f33bd5 (41812) for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:02:42 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <483.4f33bd5.31e025f2@aol.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:02:42 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.217,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: QRM in Eastern Europe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_483.4f33bd5.31e025f2_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4960 --part1_483.4f33bd5.31e025f2_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Dave and LF, the prospect of 100 kW on 135.6 sure sounds like bad news! Even with a fairl= y=20 "clean" carrier, I'd expect a few problems: - at 600 km, it would be a signal of ~62 dB=B5V/m daytime, about 6 dB more a= t=20 night. As this would be in the passband of my receiver, I'll have to do a=20 redesign with 30 dB less gain :-(=20 - with 340 Hz upward shift, the FSK bursts will splatter the into the amateu= r=20 band, at least once every 10 seconds. - at night, DCF 39 is contaminated by strong Luxembourg effect from various=20 BC stations, with a modulation depth up to a few percent and sidebands reach= ing=20 well into the band. Due to the inertia involved in the ionospheric heating=20 process, they tend to be much more intense close to the carrier - 1 kHz can=20= make=20 a big difference. - SXV are currently operating around 135.76 kHz FSK. They might feel incline= d=20 to evade QRM and move further up in frequency. 73, and have a beautiful summer Markus, DF6NM _____________________________________________________ In einer eMail vom 07.07.2006 16:48:38 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt= =20 daveyxm@googlemail.com:=20 > German EFR (Europ=E4ische Funk-Rundsteuerung) are to broadcast control=20 > signals for utility companies on 135.6kHz from a site near Budapest. Altho= ugh this=20 > looks like a potential cause of QRM in the band, the present sites at=20 > Mainflingen (129.1kHz) and Burg (139.0) are mostly plain carrier with occc= asional=20 > bursts of data and are fairly benign. The English PDF, linked to above, sh= ows=20 > the new TX service area but gives no other information. The German version= =20 > quotes it as 100kW with a 280m mast, similar to Mainflingen in erp.=20 >=20 > Info from HA6PX. >=20 > --=20 > G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK=20 --part1_483.4f33bd5.31e025f2_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Dave and LF,

the prospect of 100 kW on 135.6 sure sounds like bad news! Even with a fairl= y "clean" carrier, I'd expect a few problems:

- at 600 km, it would be a signal of ~62 dB=B5V/m daytime, about 6 dB more a= t night. As this would be in the passband of my receiver, I'll have to do a=20= redesign with 30 dB less gain :-(

- with 340 Hz upward shift, the FSK bursts will splatter the into the amateu= r band, at least once every 10 seconds.

- at night, DCF 39 is contaminated by strong Luxembourg effect from various=20= BC stations, with a modulation depth up to a few percent and sidebands reach= ing well into the band. Due to the inertia involved in the ionospheric heati= ng process, they tend to be much more intense close to the carrier - 1 kHz c= an make a big difference.

- SXV are currently operating around 135.76 kHz FSK. They might feel incline= d to evade QRM and move further up in frequency.

73, and have a beautiful summer

Markus, DF6NM
_____________________________________________________
In einer eMail vom 07.07.2006 16:48:38 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt= daveyxm@googlemail.com:

German EFR (Europ=E4ische Funk-= Rundsteuerung) are to broadcast control signals for utility comp= anies on 135.6kHz from a site near Budapest. Although this looks like a pote= ntial cause of QRM in the band, the present sites at Mainflingen (129.1kHz)=20= and Burg (139.0) are mostly plain carrier with occcasional bursts of data an= d are fairly benign. The English PDF, linked to above, shows the new TX serv= ice area but gives no other information. The German version quotes it as 100= kW with a 280m mast, similar to Mainflingen in erp.

Info from HA6PX.

--
G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK

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Wed, 19 Jul 2006 05:00:00 +0100 Message-ID: <004901c6aae7$b44313e0$011a86d4@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: , References: <003a01c65df6$f8cd9b40$3b1279d1@jsm> <003301c6aa77$832c8180$251279d1@jsm> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 04:58:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Icom 706 MKII G Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4962 This earlier exchange with the helpful Mike should help you. G0MRF has a website. bryan I used an MRF/YXM pre-amp (build from circuits on the web, or buy from G0MRF) with my IC706 with great success. The tuned circuits in the front end are very sharp with excellent out of band rejection. Mike, G3XDV ========== > The front end of my 706 is so wide it recieves all the world at the > same time ! but I am only one mile from a MW broadcast station . > I can see I need at least a V. narrow tuned pre-amp. Any ideas > where to > find one? [ Newbury Rally next week ] > Bryan - G3GVB / AC4UA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve McDonald" To: ; Sent: 18 July 2006 15:35 Subject: LF: Icom 706 MKII G > How is the latest model on LF ? I understand the earlier 706's where pretty > deaf on LF. Have they made appropriate changes with the later productions? > > Steve / VE7SL > > > Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209254057346081454 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: f5c4f1ee3917b465b627f07ba23c1ea4ca4bafdd Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs150583qbh; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.19.18 with SMTP id w18mr792160nfi; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d2si920242nfe.2006.07.18.07.55.35; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 07:55:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2qwN-0000Hq-30 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:52:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2qwM-0000Hh-M2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:52:50 +0100 Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.200]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2qwI-0007Qj-D9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:52:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 64842 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 14:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.51.188 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 14:52:40 -0000 Message-ID: <00ca01c6aa79$d1f99f80$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <003a01c65df6$f8cd9b40$3b1279d1@jsm> <003301c6aa77$832c8180$251279d1@jsm> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 15:52:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.781 Subject: LF: Re: Icom 706 MKII G Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4963 Hi Steve I looked at a "G" I think see http://www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/rxsense.htm#Receiver%20System%20Sensi tivity I dont think there has been a later version (??) Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve McDonald To: ; Sent: 18 July 2006 15:35 Subject: LF: Icom 706 MKII G > How is the latest model on LF ? I understand the earlier 706's where pretty > deaf on LF. Have they made appropriate changes with the later productions? > > Steve / VE7SL > > > Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209739895253213610 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 331f37db421a8fc00134dd30a1c5561dcbf6219e Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs191235qbh; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:37:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.21.8 with SMTP id y8mr2834299nfi; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q27si839961nfc.2006.07.23.16.37.46; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:37:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G4nTl-0003tF-5y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 00:35:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G4nTk-0003t6-FA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 00:35:20 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G4nTg-0006eS-4N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 00:35:20 +0100 Received: from p1i5f0 (gi87.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.92]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 6F59CB6844 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000701c6aeb0$34b51e80$5c11f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: References: <005101c6aead$0e3d6e40$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:32:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.705,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: VY1JA beacon 137778.45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4965 J. Well done on getting into MN! Can the east coast be far behind? Steve / VE7SL > VY1JA beacon is on QRSS60 137,778.45, 100 W TX Output from CP20kw, It will > continue on this speed frequency except for scheduled contacts. > > Thanks to everyone who has sent in captures and reports. Please continue if > you can. > > J. > VY1JA > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208826028220409535 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 2b0f5ce8e63d4dbe7b5f31f5148d54482f9535b2 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs28875qbh; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.7.3 with SMTP id k3mr1329106nfi; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id z73si3415378nfb.2006.07.13.14.32.15; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:32:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G18kP-0000hU-Ql for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:29:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G18kP-0000hL-BW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:29:25 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.195]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G18kL-00017U-Cq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:29:25 +0100 Received: (qmail 43307 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 21:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@81.154.14.209 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 21:29:15 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:30:24 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: RE: $88 LF Tx Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4976 Interesting... The Schematic can be found here:- http://www.northcountryradio.com/Schematics/am88sch.gif (I googled for "AM88 + Schematic) 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 13 July 2006 21:59 To: LF (Rsgb LF Group) Cc: LW Wave Subject: LF: $88 LF Tx Hi All, Another interesting site. http://www.northcountryradio.com/Kitpages/am88.htm Gary - G4WGT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209345890102960550 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c118f573150056f2c3c1d09873da10ff1bc0dbfc Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs181436qbh; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.240.10 with SMTP id n10mr1756302nfh; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p72si2006274nfc.2006.07.19.08.15.14; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 08:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G3DeP-0000eG-2K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:07:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G3DeO-0000e7-Nq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:07:48 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G3DeK-0007aI-Su for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:07:48 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 6011BFA88 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:12:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <00fe01c6ab45$01eab550$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "LF $RSGB$" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 15:07:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.228,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=0.365 Subject: LF: VY1JA 137778.45 QRSS10 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4977 Friends, VY1JA is beaconing now QRSS10 on 137778.45. Speed will slow when this subset of experiments are completed. J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209596261293372775 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a919c46d543866231ede3bffbc29dbed801293c8 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs266805qbh; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 02:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.202.19 with SMTP id z19mr1403161nff; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 02:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a24si2985144nfc.2006.07.22.02.34.46; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 02:34:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G4Dr1-0005Fh-Dj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:32:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G4Dr1-0005FY-1g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:32:59 +0100 Received: from smtp05.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.145]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G4Dqx-00087T-DT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 10:32:59 +0100 Received: from pa3fnyzus90725 (cd4400af3.cable.wanadoo.nl [212.64.10.243]) by smtp5.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 9CDBA3552C for ; Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:32:54 +0200 (CEST) From: "Victor van kooten" To: Date: Sat, 22 Jul 2006 11:32:53 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.094,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374 Subject: LF: RE: PA3FNY - report Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4981 Tnx for report Dave, just testing the new PA with 4X PL519 , 400W output 73 Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Dave G3WCB Verzonden: zaterdag 22 juli 2006 11:09 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: PA3FNY - report Victor, LF, PA3FNY DFCW3 visible here "O">"M" copy through heavy static. (Lots of local T-storms this morning). Screenshot attached. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209039368308797046 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a03c2e7aa3e17ff09c5b08bbbdccc7d6bfa1b369 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs83650qbh; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:03:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.4.17 with SMTP id 17mr899113nfd; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k23si290006nfc.2006.07.15.23.03.12; Sat, 15 Jul 2006 23:03:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G1zgy-00026e-DF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 07:01:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G1zgy-00026V-22 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 07:01:24 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G1zgv-0007sQ-8T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 07:01:24 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 4793B697F; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 00:06:16 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <006c01c6a89d$40ec7d10$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "LF $RSGB$" , Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 06:01:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.054,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: DFCW on TS450 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4983 All, Tests here show the UP an DN pins on the TS450 front Microphone connector do move the frequency up and down when in transmit on CW. The QRS software shift signal from the computer is intended to key a single line to ground to switch mark frequency from shift. Does anyone have a circuit for 74XX series ICs to switch the signals from that line to close the circuit momentarily on either the UP or DN pins? I am working on it with a breadboard and am tired right now and it is not happening for me. J VY1JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208836380499509849 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c5113dd2eff15a3ff0fd3b7f584c4491258a922b Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs31740qbh; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:16:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.240.10 with SMTP id n10mr1420519nfh; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l21si2400984nfc.2006.07.13.17.16.48; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:16:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G1BKg-0001dm-5p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:15:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G1BKf-0001dd-LF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:15:01 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G1BKb-0001qd-Ka for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:15:01 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id D757E76C49; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <006f01c6a6da$739f2a10$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "Steve McDonald" , "LF $RSGB$" , Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:14:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.104,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: 450 SERVICE Manual Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4990 Steve, Thanks for the link Steve, but the manual on that site is an instruction manual which I already have and which does not show how to lower the shift frequency. It contains the schematic which, given my current state of memory function, is confusing to follow. The service manuals usually have a breakdown in text form and in smaller diagram chunks that I can comprehend. Also, the circuit board pictures show where the components are. I need that kind of help to keep on track with my work. The 2-1/2 days of intense neurological-psychological testing which I just completed, show that I have no problem with deficient intelligence or problem solving skill, but just with memory... I forget where I am in a project and must simplify things so that I can get to a solution without getting lost. If I have too big of a diagram to work from, I will forget what I am looking for or what line I am following. If anyone has access to a TS 450 service manual, all that I need from it are pictures showing the card involved, where it is in the rig, and a diagram of that card to work from. If I end up with an entire service manual .pdf, that is even better. Thanks, J. VY1JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209291991512033957 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: ab3099ee6492e79d17306175e0da7a3d00c6c594 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs165320qbh; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:58:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.210.20 with SMTP id i20mr1176280nfg; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id n23si1369953nfc.2006.07.18.17.58.22; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:58:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G30LE-00041o-Pd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 01:55:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G30L9-00041f-9n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 01:55:03 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G30L4-0001hj-GR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 01:55:03 +0100 Received: from jsm (unknown [209.121.18.202]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C35DEB6C77 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001c01c6aacd$4c7213c0$ca1279d1@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: References: <003a01c65df6$f8cd9b40$3b1279d1@jsm> <003301c6aa77$832c8180$251279d1@jsm> <00ca01c6aa79$d1f99f80$0300a8c0@lark> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:49:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.441,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Icom 706 MKII G Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4991 Tnx Alan From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209480187019802738 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 6ee1c69ff5dbb4ba93e2ae88489239fb03af3dab Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs232978qbh; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.235.13 with SMTP id i13mr139038nfh; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c10si1026559nfb.2006.07.20.20.43.09; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:43:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G3lsm-0005HV-Ez for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 04:40:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G3lsl-0005HM-FP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 04:40:55 +0100 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.55]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G3lsg-0005MQ-NS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 04:40:55 +0100 Received: from priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edmwes34.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.05.01.01 201-2174-106-103-20060222) with ESMTP id <20060721034048.LHPD12699.priv-edmwes34.telusplanet.net@priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net> for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:40:48 -0600 Received: from [192.168.1.1] (d64-180-173-28.bchsia.telus.net [64.180.173.28]) by priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net (BorderWare MXtreme Infinity Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 386CL03WK5 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 21:40:47 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <44C04CBF.50105@telus.net> Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:40:47 -0700 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001601c6ac19$d83a5820$5411f4cc@p1i5f0> <005001c6ac6f$721f9ea0$6501a8c0@eagles> In-Reply-To: <005001c6ac6f$721f9ea0$6501a8c0@eagles> X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.614,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: Re: LF: Re: VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4992 J. This was the torture of the evening... We discussed calling you and getting you out of bed then we calmed down and remember Ann may not appricate a call at midnight from two crazed 2200m DX hounds... Scott J. Allen wrote: > Thanks for that good capture... If you could see me from there, you > would see nothing but the smile of Alice's Cat. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209480187019802738 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c0a7cd09a2c78a19b043c80d55188c553733829a Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs231759qbh; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.240.10 with SMTP id n10mr113757nfh; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id g1si2079070nfe.2006.07.20.19.49.49; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 19:49:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G3kzI-0004s9-At for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:43:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G3kzH-0004s0-V0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:43:36 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G3kzD-0004DM-Ka for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 03:43:35 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 94EE218B6E for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 20:48:45 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <005001c6ac6f$721f9ea0$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: References: <001601c6ac19$d83a5820$5411f4cc@p1i5f0> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 02:43:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.064,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4993 Thanks for that good capture... If you could see me from there, you would see nothing but the smile of Alice's Cat. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208093579634356406 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: f7214e67f928bb60138ee8b66e773753e398da0b Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs137003qbh; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 12:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.249.6 with SMTP id w6mr4180614nfh; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id z73si7284056nfb.2006.07.05.12.30.17; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyCz3-0002ZE-IG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:24:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyCz2-0002Z5-Q7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:24:24 +0100 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.14]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FyCyy-0001Vh-Qe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:24:24 +0100 Received: from tnt-2-163.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.163] helo=captbrian) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1FyCyx-000OEA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:24:19 +0100 Message-ID: <00a401c6a068$89d023c0$3ece28c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <001101c69f68$fa306a90$6501a8c0@eagles> <001801c69f70$bef1a9a0$0300a8c0@lark> <000901c69f77$db074850$6501a8c0@eagles> <007501c6a05c$f69da600$3ece28c3@captbrian> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:23:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4998 ongoing thought, If you use half the fixed coil and all of the varying coil in series [ F/2 - V ] you should come near to zero inductance with coils in opposition - certainly quite a low value. Cleverer men than I will put figures on these thoughts. Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" To: Sent: 05 July 2006 18:58 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Antenna Tuning > First thought > > It occurs to me you could use a chap ole' length of wire as a temporary > antenna and cut bits off it until you achieved resonance with the minimum > series setting of the variometer. That would give you a feel for how far > away from resonance you are and thus how many turns You may need to unwind. > > Second thought. > > You say both fixed and moving coils are divided in the centre. > > Third thought. > > Can you not tap into the joining wire at the centre and thus use half the > coil? That would give you choice of 4 combinations V/2 + F, F/2 + V, V/2 > + F/2, F+V > > Bryan G3GVB > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J. Allen" > To: > Sent: 04 July 2006 15:40 > Subject: LF: Re: Re: Antenna Tuning > > > > Alan, Steve and All, > > > > Thanks for the feedback. > > > > The antenna is basically an inverted-L antenna. Using approximate > > dimensions, the vertical portion is a 110 foot tower, but the attachment > > point for the horizontal is down at about 100 feet. The horizontal is > > composed of two, 390 foot long wires that form a V with the included angle > > of about 50 degrees. The ends of the L wires are supported at about 70 > feet > > and 63 feet and the wires are single span and have bout 10 or 12 feet of > sag > > for stress. The antenna is over a set of about 30, #11 radials of various > > lengths from 30 to 1200 feet in length. The soil is very dry sand in a > flat > > in the bottom bowl formed by mountains. The antenna is fed through about > > 250 feet of 50 Ohm hard line from the shack. > > > > At the base of the antenna, the vertical portion terminates at the input > of > > a Variometer the other end of which ties to the radial ground system. The > > variometer is currently link coupled to the coaxial cable, but the problem > > was there when the grounded side of the variometer was tapped up like an > > autotransformer, and also when the antenna was fed through a very large > > roller inductor / autotransformer. In fact there have been a number of > > different feed methods tried and all failed. > > > > If I am not mistaken, the antenna calculated at about 1500 pF. > > > > Nothing I have tried to date has resulted in successful tuning. The most > > power I have been able to sustain is about 30 Watts. Higher power has > > always resulted in smoke. > > > > The main limiting factor in all this work is the operator... I have > > symptoms of early Alzheimer's Disease, and get confused about what I am > > doing or where I am in a process. A written step by step which I could > > check off as I go would be a great asset. > > > > It is important to the Canadian and possible future US amateur plans for a > > LF portion on 137 that I be successful here. We have great resistance > from > > the power companies with their Power Line Carrier systems here. I am > > fortunate that I live in one of the two areas of Canada where 137 kHz is > > used for PLC, and the central purpose of my experiments is to get the > > station up to full power and show compatibility of PLC and amateur radio. > > > > I have had really wonderful support from Steve and Scott, and have both of > > the UK LF books as guides but still cannot seem to get the antenna tuned. > I > > am familiar with the use of an oscilloscope and maintained the PLC system > > which I am demonstrating non-interference with. > > > > As soon as I can get the antenna tuned properly, I can run the power level > > up and begin beaconing essentially 24/7 for the remaining months of our > > experiments. > > > > Has anyone produced a very detailed first time tuning guide for beginners > > like me? I am about 1000 miles away from the closest assistance > > (VE7SL/VE7TIL) > > > > Thanks again, > > > > JA > > VY1JA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 27/06/06 > > > > > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 27/06/06 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208635676822287068 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 64e027b203660fa4682adf052698d6dd3a611988 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs303863qbh; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:06:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.217.9 with SMTP id p9mr817710nfg; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id z73si660318nfb.2006.07.11.12.06.41; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 12:06:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G0NVU-0004et-AJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:02:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G0NVT-0004ek-PR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:02:51 +0100 Received: from smtp-out02.alice.it ([85.33.2.6] helo=out3.alice.it) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G0NVQ-0000Ro-MB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:02:51 +0100 Received: from FBCMMO03.fbc.local ([192.168.68.197]) by out3.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:02:41 +0200 Received: from client.alice.it ([192.168.68.138]) by FBCMMO03.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:02:41 +0200 Received: from ideq200s.spin-it.com ([87.30.69.168]) by client.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:02:41 +0200 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060711205813.03990c70@spin-it.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:02:30 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Marco Bruno In-Reply-To: <001501c6a45c$5d516640$6abe3b3e@fujitsu> References: <001501c6a45c$5d516640$6abe3b3e@fujitsu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0628-2, 11/07/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2006 19:02:41.0584 (UTC) FILETIME=[95B2FB00:01C6A51C] X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.325,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: W&G SPM30 schematic scans Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 4999 Hi all, thanks to the excellent scanning job done by Jim Moritz the schematics of the Wandel&Goltermann SPM30 selective level meter are available. I uploaded the file to www.spin-it.com/download/SPM30_schematics.pdf (about 3MB). It will be online for several weeks, so don't hurry ;-) Vy 73 de Marco IK1ODO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208103695741282520 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 622f0d3445ddd0650417fbc77ff12dfb7e5eb6bc Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs141289qbh; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.47.3 with SMTP id u3mr15685nfu; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m16si5922208nfc.2006.07.05.15.57.17; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:57:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyGHB-0003Op-Hp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:55:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyGHB-0003Og-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:55:21 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.195]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FyGH5-0002ja-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:55:20 +0100 Received: (qmail 99456 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 22:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.12.216 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 22:54:09 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.9/382]); Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:51:35 +0100 Message-ID: <002501c6a085$912d56c0$d80c7ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:51:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-2.243,RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.026,RCVD_IN_SORBS_MISC=1.597 Subject: LF: Re: LF loading coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5001 > > I haven't tried a short, fat loading coil yet, but the indications are that > short fat coils have lower losses. > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM Dear Dave, LF group, Short, fat coils wound with the same type of wire, and other losses being negligible, do indeed have higher Q (at least, until they get really short and fat - the optimum figure is usually given diameter = 2.5 x length; after that Q starts to go down again). But don't get too carried away, because the winding has to support the same voltage, and the shorter winding will have greater voltage between adjacent turns, putting the insulation under greater dielectric strain, which can certainly be a problem with a high voltage antenna system. Assuming actual breakdown does not occur, dielectric losses in the wire insulation and the former, will increase. If the former or insulation is made of some relatively lossy dielectric, for example PVC, it is certainly possible to end up with a shorter, fatter coil with reduced Q - as I proved experimentally once, much to my annoyance! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208103695741282520 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 586a38139caaf2b594c642654e8183a327034c83 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs140231qbh; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.43.11 with SMTP id q11mr4302069nfq; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o9si1306500nfa.2006.07.05.15.11.05; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:11:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyFXT-0003Dn-ML for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:08:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyFXS-0003De-Uc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:08:07 +0100 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FyFXN-0002PR-SO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:08:06 +0100 Received: (qmail 596 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 22:06:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.17.148 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 22:06:55 -0000 Message-ID: <002601c6a07f$53aee760$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 23:06:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.877 Subject: LF: Re: LF loading coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5002 Hi Dave if you double up your top wire and increase the capacity to 700pF you might half the ground loss and double the ERP for the same power. If you can get another 3m height on the feed point you will double the radiation resistance and double the ERP again for the same aerial current. There may be constraints but there is a lot more to be had in this area of aerial development. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave G3WCB To: Sent: 05 July 2006 22:33 Subject: LF: LF loading coils > Dear Gary, LF. > > I have just finished rewinding my loading coil. The original 3.2mH coil was > wound with 150 turns of 2.5mm cross-sectional area pvc covered solid copper > wire,(i.e. mains cable inner) The coil is 300mm dia and 500mm high, and the > antenna is a "Tee" at 6m with a 60m top. The antenna capacity to ground is > about 390 pF. > > I rewound it with Litz wire of about the same cross-sectional area, and got > an antenna current increase of 15%. Not much, but every little helps. > > I haven't tried a short, fat loading coil yet, but the indications are that > short fat coils have lower losses. > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of James Moritz > Sent: 05 July 2006 22:09 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: LF loading coils > > > Dear Gary, LF group, > > ...But there is another justification for making a high-Q loading coil, and > that is power dissipation. If you are trying to run 1kW into a small > antenna, it isn't hard to end up with a few hundred watts dissipated in the > loading coil if this has mediocre Q. This would only reduce the radiated > signal by about 1dB or so compared to a perfect, zero-loss loading coil, but > it would certainly make the coil get warm! A big, high Q coil dissipates > less power in the first place, and has more surface area to dissipate the > heat, too. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary - G4WGT > To: > Cc: LW Wave > Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:11 PM > Subject: LF: RE: Re: LF loading coils > > > > Hi Alan & Steve, > > > > You made almost identical comments. > > > ***************** > > > > So I will give that idea a "MISS" > > > > Thanks to you both for your comments. > > > > 73 > > > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208237376863323554 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 2a6b29b0a40eae0a274c823e6f7a8475d7069190 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs188688qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 02:35:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.161.11 with SMTP id j11mr1211428nfe; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 02:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id b1si4697228nfe.2006.07.07.02.35.54; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 02:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fymdx-0008OO-8N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 10:29:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fymdw-0008OF-TG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 10:29:00 +0100 Received: from cas-mta1-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.20] helo=mta-fe.casema.nl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fymds-00050Y-Vc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 10:29:00 +0100 Received: from s9z5i6.casema.nl (53556FEB.cable.casema.nl [83.85.111.235]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60509322859 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:56:42 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <6.1.1.1.2.20060707110012.033236e0@pop3.casema.nl> X-Sender: dickrollema@casema.nl@pop3.casema.nl (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.1.1 Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 11:01:39 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Dick Rollema Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0627-2, 06-07-2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.307,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: variometers Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=====================_6931879==.ALT" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5004 --=====================_6931879==.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed To All from PA0SE A disadvantage of variometers is that although the inductance can be varied the loss resistance of the coils remains the same. That means that when adjusted near minimum inductance Q = X/r can become very low. In practice the effect is diluted by the earth resistance which in most cases is considerably larger than the coil resistances. 73, Dick, PA0SE --=====================_6931879==.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" To All from PA0SE

A disadvantage of variometers is that although the inductance can be varied the loss resistance of the coils remains the same. That means that when adjusted near minimum inductance Q = X/r can become very low.
In practice the effect is diluted by the earth resistance which in most cases is considerably larger than the coil resistances.

73, Dick, PA0SE

--=====================_6931879==.ALT-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209490465099532464 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: d001d8ec98697229d58f0be1c8f6bc2a1ab72844 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs234645qbh; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:33:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.1.9 with SMTP id d9mr129325nfi; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p43si637874nfa.2006.07.20.22.33.11; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 22:33:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G3naR-0005yp-2y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:30:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G3naQ-0005yg-Ki for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:30:06 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G3naN-0005vN-GI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 06:30:06 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 1FF9F60041 for ; Thu, 20 Jul 2006 23:35:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <00b101c6ac86$b53d5ad0$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: References: <001601c6ac19$d83a5820$5411f4cc@p1i5f0> <005001c6ac6f$721f9ea0$6501a8c0@eagles> <44C04CBF.50105@telus.net> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 05:29:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.218,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=0.365 Subject: LF: VY1JA QRSS10 137778.40 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR, SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5006 Steve and Friends, VY1JA 137778.4 QRSS10. I will be "checking in", or listening for Scott to call, every hour on the hour starting at midnight. I hope to nap as the station beacons and wake on the hour to look for life. If you capture anything good while I am at QRSS10 please let me know. J. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Tilley" To: Sent: Friday, 2006/07/21 03:40 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: VY1JA > J. > > This was the torture of the evening... We discussed calling you and > getting you out of bed then we calmed down and remember Ann may not > appricate a call at midnight from two crazed 2200m DX hounds... > > Scott > > > J. Allen wrote: >> Thanks for that good capture... If you could see me from there, you would >> see nothing but the smile of Alice's Cat. >> >> >> >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208873240196427864 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 13e79d4dc60df5e9cddf6e9ee13bdd138366e42e Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs42078qbh; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 03:02:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.242.9 with SMTP id p9mr1769472nfh; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 03:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id g1si2806067nfe.2006.07.14.03.02.38; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 03:02:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G1KRB-0003G1-LL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:58:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G1KRB-0003Fs-7a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:58:21 +0100 Received: from smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.10]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G1KR7-0003ag-Cq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:58:21 +0100 Received: from tnt-13-58.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.58] helo=captbrian) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1G1KPn-000ADm-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:56:56 +0100 Message-ID: <002c01c6a72b$c138df40$3a1686d4@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <001901c6a6cc$bf0801b0$6501a8c0@eagles> <003701c6a6cf$ad7e1440$0300a8c0@lark> <005901c6a6d2$dcdd2020$6501a8c0@eagles> <001401c6a6d6$54a74ba0$6711f4cc@p1i5f0> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 10:56:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.428,PLING_QUERY=0.857 Subject: LF: 706 misbehaving ! HELP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=PLING_QUERY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5007 706 Mk2 G. 4 trs. old seems to be in trouble with the power settings. 1.830 min is 10 w max is 50 3.760 min is 5w max is 60w 7060 min is 3w max is 70 14050 min is 4w max is 95 all above to a dummy load. Wid all same cables, supply, connections etc. a ICOM 725 gives max of 95 plus or minus 5w on all bands. 706 coupled to antenna seems V. sensitive to SWR all was well until earlier this year. Anyone experienced this (seeming) drive trouble? Rx is fine so can pursue 136 rx. wid the pre-amp. But still unhappy. Bryan G3GVB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209297963136319178 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 09e9ebb58525d7c169dea177a726bb9cbdb6687c Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs166508qbh; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.1.15 with SMTP id d15mr1213026nfi; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k24si1428453nfc.2006.07.18.19.33.27; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G31nz-0004bk-MO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:28:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G31nz-0004bb-Bl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:28:55 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G31nw-00029J-IS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 03:28:55 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id A48FAFA4D for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:33:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <007801c6aadb$0ea7b730$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "LF $RSGB$" Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 02:28:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.048,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: VY1JA Beacon at QRSS3 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5010 Friends, The VY1JA beacon on 137778.45 has been switched to QRSS3 per request. J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209142566289663777 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 503870849566b9174334948389ededbdd5c53aa3 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs113559qbh; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.1.3 with SMTP id 3mr1893635nfa; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c10si3670900nfb.2006.07.17.05.13.19; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 05:13:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2Rpg-00005Y-RV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:04:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2Rpg-00005P-B8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:04:16 +0100 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2Rpc-0004wy-FU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:04:16 +0100 Received: from tnt-15-152.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.26.152] helo=captbrian) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1G2Rpa-00047D-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:04:11 +0100 Message-ID: <009301c6a999$06604260$adce28c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <006c01c6a89d$40ec7d10$6501a8c0@eagles> <001001c6a8c7$53154920$56217ad5@w4o8m9> <003901c6a929$8ab886a0$ae1bfea9@cobaltxp> <001601c6a96e$9b863b40$adce28c3@captbrian> <000901c6a970$d3ae3ac0$ea00a8c0@cobaltxp> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:45:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.107 Subject: LF: Re: Basic under Windows Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5011 Thanks for that. I will get my guru buddy [ie he was born after 1955 ] to arrange how best to download your stuff,then I will email you again. Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murray ZL1BPU" To: Sent: 17 July 2006 08:15 Subject: LF: Basic under Windows > Bryan, > Let me know a suitable email address that can accept megabyte-sized > attachments and I'll mail my compiler to you. The one I have is the old > Microsoft Quick Basic compiler (V4.22 I think), which compiles true DOS > executables. Used with care it will generate executables that work in a DOS > box from any version of Windows, although if you use graphics (it has very > good graphics) most computers will only operate correctly with the program > running full screen (but still under Windows). Comms seem to work OK even > with Win XP, although you can only use COM1 and COM2. > > Have a look on my web site for examples of programs I've written. > > There's also a very good commercial program called POWER BASIC that allows > very sophisticated true Windows programs to be written. Con ZL2AFP's > DominoEX program is an example. POWER BASIC makes very small executables for > a Windows system. I am sure there are other commercial programs as well. > > 73, > Murray ZL1BPU > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209142566289663777 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: d7caf6c9d157e8f4e0570ca9e50a0ea2b27b2391 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs109682qbh; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.1.10 with SMTP id 10mr1774527nfa; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o45si3516836nfa.2006.07.17.02.23.29; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 02:23:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2PFi-0007Rd-CS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:18:58 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2PFh-0007RU-Se for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:18:57 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G2PFe-0008PL-5Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:18:57 +0100 Received: (qmail 4390 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 09:18:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.98.35 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 09:18:47 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c6a982$08cf8c20$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <006c01c6a89d$40ec7d10$6501a8c0@eagles> <001001c6a8c7$53154920$56217ad5@w4o8m9> <003901c6a929$8ab886a0$ae1bfea9@cobaltxp> <001601c6a96e$9b863b40$adce28c3@captbrian> <000901c6a970$d3ae3ac0$ea00a8c0@cobaltxp> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 10:18:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.634 Subject: LF: Re: Basic under Windows Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5012 Hi Murray and Bryan, yes it does work ok, the other slight restriction is that you cannot use serial speeds of higher than 9600baud. You just just complie to a stand alone .EXE which is the biggest option but that doesnt matter these days. A simple GUI compiler is the PowerBasic for Windows compiler, which has a very good example of serial coms and using the API which I (and the other Brian)managed to mod very quickly for control of the G4JNT DDS. Unfortunately you have to buy that one, but it will allow serial comms at 19.2kBaud, and maybe higher. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Murray ZL1BPU To: Sent: 17 July 2006 08:15 Subject: LF: Basic under Windows > Bryan, > Let me know a suitable email address that can accept megabyte-sized > attachments and I'll mail my compiler to you. The one I have is the old > Microsoft Quick Basic compiler (V4.22 I think), which compiles true DOS > executables. Used with care it will generate executables that work in a DOS > box from any version of Windows, although if you use graphics (it has very > good graphics) most computers will only operate correctly with the program > running full screen (but still under Windows). Comms seem to work OK even > with Win XP, although you can only use COM1 and COM2. > > Have a look on my web site for examples of programs I've written. > > There's also a very good commercial program called POWER BASIC that allows > very sophisticated true Windows programs to be written. Con ZL2AFP's > DominoEX program is an example. POWER BASIC makes very small executables for > a Windows system. I am sure there are other commercial programs as well. > > 73, > Murray ZL1BPU > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209851253028009930 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 61c4036f11b5a5ea20f8c593dc2c26b21bc81073 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs228280qbh; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.1.3 with SMTP id 3mr243437nfa; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d2si399199nfe.2006.07.24.22.07.45; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 22:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G5F4C-0006iy-Bz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 06:02:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G5F4B-0006ip-Ox for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 06:02:47 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G5F47-0007Lp-Fv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 06:02:47 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 23F5A8928A for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:08:10 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002601c6afa7$90e60230$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "LF $RSGB$" Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 05:02:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.124,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=0.365 Subject: LF: VY1JA QRSS60 137778.45 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5013 Friends, Thanks to everyone for your continued support and feedback. There were no skeds requested for this week so VY1JA is on ~137778.45 QRSS60 24/7. Captures, .WAV files, propagation info and comments will be appreciated. The rsgb LF reflector will be checked each evening (04:00 UTC). J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208865224012677868 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 2c7635ad3f4b750f85ac10799cf9fd11c7a74d7d Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs38006qbh; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:55:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.1.10 with SMTP id 10mr1660539nfa; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l27si339855nfa.2006.07.14.00.55.12; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G1IOL-0002se-4t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:47:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G1IOJ-0002sV-VW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:47:15 +0100 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.55]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G1IOF-0008GG-5K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:47:15 +0100 Received: from priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edmwes50.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.05.01.01 201-2174-106-103-20060222) with ESMTP id <20060714074704.LCHW22408.priv-edmwes50.telusplanet.net@priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net>; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:47:04 -0600 Received: from [192.168.1.1] (d64-180-173-28.bchsia.telus.net [64.180.173.28]) by priv-edmwaa06.telusplanet.net (BorderWare MXtreme Infinity Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 4D8EL42XG7; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:47:04 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <44B74BFF.9090405@telus.net> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:47:11 -0700 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LWCA LF Reflector , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.641,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: TIL grabber cleaned up... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5019 VY1JA is presently into the TIL grabber. New phasing canceler installed has dramatically improved reception here. http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/ Will attempt QSO now if possible. 73 Scott From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209106224981862960 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: e1b80e7496e709e4514496ad1f12e0383b46fc53 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs99980qbh; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.210.20 with SMTP id i20mr1467652nfg; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d2si685137nfe.2006.07.16.16.45.51; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 16:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2GFf-000544-Oq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:42:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2GFe-00053v-Ts for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:42:18 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2GFZ-0000mV-MM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:42:18 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 183E13DB42; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 17:47:11 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <010701c6a931$73f5d460$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "LF $RSGB$" , Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:42:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.090,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: DFCW, power and time. Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5023 Friends, Thank you for the suggestions. Please remember that my hobby time is very limited because the cold comes too fast in Yukon, and I must do extensive work on a house we are improving to become a rental unit for future retirement income and because my manager has given me self-training goals which are vital to my continued employment and present income. I will not be able to spend much time developing these things, writing software and so forth. Since Java is one of the languages I am learning, working on a program related to it can be a work-related exercise. I need help to make transmitter and ancillary equipment building take less time and still have a good experiment result to present to the Radio Amateurs of Canada for its case to Industry Canada. Experiment goal: beacon steadily at 1 W ierp until May when the license expires. I must also reduce the amount of time I spend on email, so you will see fewer postings from VY1JA for the duration of the warm weather and while trade certification exams are being taken. The reason I wanted to build a transmitter which it more powerful than needed is that I am hoping that when it is run so that it produces the current needed for 1 W ierp, it will be bulletproof like the amplifier which Steve, VE7SL has lent me and which is beaconing at 100 W now. It takes antenna changes from weather and wind and keeps on playing. I find that I can readjust it on the fly. I want to build a robust 500-1000 watt rig, set it at the license power limit, forget it, and not be afraid that smoke signals is all I will be sending. I have an RF ammeter which shows almost no antenna base current from 100 Watt transmitter output. To get the 2.85 Amps will require much more power. I guesstimated about 410 Watts. We will find out when there is an amplifier in place which can generate power enough to make that RF ammeter swing to the centre-scale. Reception reports like the one John sent will be greatly appreciated toward the experiment report which I will be developing next May. My brain function has improved but I still have a long way to go. If you, my friends, can find solutions which are simple for me to implement, I can continue to improve the station, and keep experiments going but am mainly focused on keeping this property after my retirement. Thanks, J. VY1JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208214225480177241 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 88df05c20b181efc0c3277a4a13f3ac8a4c7b342 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs204755qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 13:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.233.18 with SMTP id f18mr1779955nfh; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c10si9071855nfb.2006.07.07.13.47.46; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 13:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyxAg-0001q1-LO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 21:43:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyxAg-0001pn-0F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 21:43:30 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.38]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FyxAb-0007T2-2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 21:43:29 +0100 Received: from 88-106-106-250.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.106.250]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 07 Jul 2006 21:42:17 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAOVgrkSKFg Received: from 88-106-106-250.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.106.250]:3551 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Fyx9U-0006dA-Qz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 20:42:16 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 21:42:55 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <44AE9E92.32104.22ACD80@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.804,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: RE: LF: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5024 Hi J, I must agree with Mike (below) as my vertical wire is about 5 feet from the grounded mast & I have no problems with SWR or tuning etc. May be you need to check for a break in the vertical as Bryan suggested. Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Mike Dennison Sent: 07 July 2006 17:49 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Antenna Tuning I am not convinced that this is the answer. My vertical wire is a few feet from my mast (admitedly a 2in pole, not a tower) and I have had no problems. It worked best with the pole earthed as it then looks like a capacitor, rather than a resistor. Worth a try, though. Mike, G3XDV ========== > Try to unground the tower and use it as the vertical part of your > antenna. It could be that relatively close spacing of the coax you use > as vertical part is coupling a lot of energy into the tower and it > goes directly to ground and not into the ether. > Keep at it and best of luck. > de Lech, G3KAU > > "J. Allen" wrote: > The tower is grounded at its base at this time, but is up on > insulators and > can be ungrounded easily by disconnecting a 1/0 grounding conductor. > > The vertical portion of the antenna is a piece of coaxial cable spaced > about 4 feet away from the tower. > > Still no luck finding the first resonant point. All points have been > checked from 20 kHz through 250 kHz. It acts like I have a big > capacitor connected to the end of the coax. At the base of the > antenna, I have installed a relay and can switch between the dummy > load and the antenna base loading network. Whatever is wrong is wrong > on the antenna side of that relay. If the dummy load is put on the > other connector it acts as a dummy should, so the problem is not in > the relay or its connection. If I substitute a lumped constant for the > antenna, the traces are as expected with the scope. > > I just do not seem to be able to find a resonant point using a > frequency divider and tiny amp. The scope traces are either sine wave > traces but with the voltage and current out of phase, or else really > convoluted forms which are in phase. > > I am still at step one. How to I get the two waveforms to coincide and > at the same time have them look like sinewaves? > > Any ideas where to go with this now? > > "J" > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208214225480177241 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a4728947ccc7c69a52f8d5dd4ba94221751f2ede Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs198880qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.161.11 with SMTP id j11mr1606137nfe; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 09:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o53si1264040nfa.2006.07.07.09.52.14; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 09:52:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FytWO-0001Cc-Nw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 17:49:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FytWO-0001CT-B4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 17:49:40 +0100 Received: from mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47] helo=mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FytWK-0005oN-BC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 17:49:40 +0100 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060707164930.URRZ15018.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:49:30 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([82.10.67.170]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060707164930.DQVI29849.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:49:30 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 17:49:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <44AE9E92.32104.22ACD80@localhost> In-reply-to: <20060707144427.84172.qmail@web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com> References: <006001c6a174$cfe29890$6501a8c0@eagles> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.658,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: Antenna Tuning Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5025 I am not convinced that this is the answer. My vertical wire is a few feet from my mast (admitedly a 2in pole, not a tower) and I have had no problems. It worked best with the pole earthed as it then looks like a capacitor, rather than a resistor. Worth a try, though. Mike, G3XDV ========== > Try to unground the tower and use it as the vertical part of your > antenna. It could be that relatively close spacing of the coax you use > as vertical part is coupling a lot of energy into the tower and it > goes directly to ground and not into the ether. > Keep at it and best of luck. > de Lech, G3KAU > > "J. Allen" wrote: > The tower is grounded at its base at this time, but is up on > insulators and > can be ungrounded easily by disconnecting a 1/0 grounding conductor. > > The vertical portion of the antenna is a piece of coaxial cable spaced > about 4 feet away from the tower. > > Still no luck finding the first resonant point. All points have been > checked from 20 kHz through 250 kHz. It acts like I have a big > capacitor connected to the end of the coax. At the base of the > antenna, I have installed a relay and can switch between the dummy > load and the antenna base loading network. Whatever is wrong is wrong > on the antenna side of that relay. If the dummy load is put on the > other connector it acts as a dummy should, so the problem is not in > the relay or its connection. If I substitute a lumped constant for the > antenna, the traces are as expected with the scope. > > I just do not seem to be able to find a resonant point using a > frequency divider and tiny amp. The scope traces are either sine wave > traces but with the voltage and current out of phase, or else really > convoluted forms which are in phase. > > I am still at step one. How to I get the two waveforms to coincide and > at the same time have them look like sinewaves? > > Any ideas where to go with this now? > > "J" > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208214225480177241 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 5c2efa745b2f6f139592e39f1d0c958d4221f1a4 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs195155qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:48:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.56.2 with SMTP id i2mr1491398nfk; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 07:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l32si209686nfa.2006.07.07.07.48.36; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 07:48:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyrZN-0000k7-Ir for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:44:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyrZN-0000jy-5D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:44:37 +0100 Received: from web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.133]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FyrZJ-0004I1-2I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:44:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 84174 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jul 2006 14:44:27 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=mScE+gRQgTOt+fJVIdTaojs62Z5Oizcxij/yNg0aqaBO+2mhVlHbr0typ+zNE4zN9LUfP8oxoV3f425FdYdt0eHEX2bDvRALJwO1Vv3yDFHffXzBWg5h6VzM6KN2KqNSwU9w95BwANxTXo3e/mJZpd7aVXG+gIrT54QIL3dDCFk= ; Message-ID: <20060707144427.84172.qmail@web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Received: from [86.132.250.207] by web86508.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:44:27 BST Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 15:44:27 +0100 (BST) From: LECH LASZKIEWICZ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <006001c6a174$cfe29890$6501a8c0@eagles> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.774,HTML_10_20=0.295,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2026668204-1152283467=:83582" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5026 --0-2026668204-1152283467=:83582 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Try to unground the tower and use it as the vertical part of your antenna. It could be that relatively close spacing of the coax you use as vertical part is coupling a lot of energy into the tower and it goes directly to ground and not into the ether. Keep at it and best of luck. de Lech, G3KAU "J. Allen" wrote: The tower is grounded at its base at this time, but is up on insulators and can be ungrounded easily by disconnecting a 1/0 grounding conductor. The vertical portion of the antenna is a piece of coaxial cable spaced about 4 feet away from the tower. Still no luck finding the first resonant point. All points have been checked from 20 kHz through 250 kHz. It acts like I have a big capacitor connected to the end of the coax. At the base of the antenna, I have installed a relay and can switch between the dummy load and the antenna base loading network. Whatever is wrong is wrong on the antenna side of that relay. If the dummy load is put on the other connector it acts as a dummy should, so the problem is not in the relay or its connection. If I substitute a lumped constant for the antenna, the traces are as expected with the scope. I just do not seem to be able to find a resonant point using a frequency divider and tiny amp. The scope traces are either sine wave traces but with the voltage and current out of phase, or else really convoluted forms which are in phase. I am still at step one. How to I get the two waveforms to coincide and at the same time have them look like sinewaves? Any ideas where to go with this now? "J" --0-2026668204-1152283467=:83582 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Try to unground the tower and use it as the vertical part of your antenna. It could be that relatively close spacing of the coax you use as vertical part is coupling a lot of energy into the tower and it goes directly to ground and not into the ether.

Keep at it and best of luck.

de Lech, G3KAU

"J. Allen" <vy1ja@northwestel.net> wrote:

The tower is grounded at its base at this time, but is up on insulators and
can be ungrounded easily by disconnecting a 1/0 grounding conductor.

The vertical portion of the antenna is a piece of coaxial cable spaced about
4 feet away from the tower.

Still no luck finding the first resonant point. All points have been checked
from 20 kHz through 250 kHz. It acts like I have a big capacitor connected
to the end of the coax. At the base of the antenna, I have installed a
relay and can switch between the dummy load and the antenna base loading
network. Whatever is wrong is wrong on the antenna side of that relay. If
the dummy load is put on the other connector it acts as a dummy should, so
the problem is not in the relay or its connection. If I substitute a lumped
constant for the antenna, the traces are as expected with the scope.

I just do not seem to be able to find a resonant point using a frequency
divider and tiny amp. The scope traces are either sine wave traces but with
the voltage and current out of phase, or else really convoluted forms which
are in phase.

I am still at step one. How to I get the two waveforms to coincide and at
the same time have them look like sinewaves?

Any ideas where to go with this now?

"J"

--0-2026668204-1152283467=:83582-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208214225480177241 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 4bf9585506c5d2666984c67c5df8ff9b6be60435 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs192457qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 06:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.43.12 with SMTP id v12mr1410241nfj; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 06:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l27si9366976nfa.2006.07.07.06.16.14; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 06:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fyq7v-0000S0-TD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:12:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fyq7v-0000Rr-0x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:12:11 +0100 Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com ([64.136.22.74]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fyq7q-0003Po-QX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 14:12:10 +0100 Received: from m11.nyc.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m11.nyc.untd.com with SMTP id AABCL6ZMXAMP9ST2 for (sender ); Fri, 7 Jul 2006 06:11:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from cw4ever4@juno.com) by m11.nyc.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LUN8TZA4; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 06:10:27 PDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:05:06 -0400 Message-ID: <20060707.090507.784.1.CW4EVER4@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 4.0.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 2-3,5-48 X-Juno-Att: 0 X-Juno-RefParts: 0 From: R obert H Reif X-ContentStamp: 18:9:135941800 X-MAIL-INFO:0e4155c03020a40c717d113020b4003181543111356d54a9b5 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: g21GJOtXAsiQ/71APa81vpFnat5W1Vn8I5NCRqaJYBIQr9RFMpNDCQ== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m11.nyc.untd.com|cw4ever4@juno.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.256,FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS=0.298 Subject: Re: LF: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5027 You might try un grounding the tower and tieing it to the antenna feed point. The grounded tower may be confusing the tuning so give that a try. 73 Bob W1XP On Fri, 7 Jul 2006 03:24:09 -0000 "J. Allen" writes: > The tower is grounded at its base at this time, but is up on > insulators and > can be ungrounded easily by disconnecting a 1/0 grounding conductor. > > The vertical portion of the antenna is a piece of coaxial cable > spaced about > 4 feet away from the tower. > > Still no luck finding the first resonant point. All points have been > checked > from 20 kHz through 250 kHz. It acts like I have a big capacitor > connected > to the end of the coax. At the base of the antenna, I have > installed a > relay and can switch between the dummy load and the antenna base > loading > network. Whatever is wrong is wrong on the antenna side of that > relay. If > the dummy load is put on the other connector it acts as a dummy > should, so > the problem is not in the relay or its connection. If I substitute > a lumped > constant for the antenna, the traces are as expected with the scope. > > I just do not seem to be able to find a resonant point using a > frequency > divider and tiny amp. The scope traces are either sine wave traces > but with > the voltage and current out of phase, or else really convoluted > forms which > are in phase. > > I am still at step one. How to I get the two waveforms to coincide > and at > the same time have them look like sinewaves? > > Any ideas where to go with this now? > > "J" > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208214225480177241 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 1e456a5619b33b13bd3eab37d6eebd04cea48b99 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs180403qbh; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 20:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.43.11 with SMTP id q11mr962679nfq; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 20:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r34si8805998nfc.2006.07.06.20.27.55; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 20:27:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fygx7-0007tb-5h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 04:24:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fygx6-0007tS-NA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 04:24:24 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fygx2-00027I-GT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 04:24:24 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 3D1471063F for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 21:28:35 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <006001c6a174$cfe29890$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: References: <20060706221438.67409.qmail@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 03:24:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.132,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5028 The tower is grounded at its base at this time, but is up on insulators and can be ungrounded easily by disconnecting a 1/0 grounding conductor. The vertical portion of the antenna is a piece of coaxial cable spaced about 4 feet away from the tower. Still no luck finding the first resonant point. All points have been checked from 20 kHz through 250 kHz. It acts like I have a big capacitor connected to the end of the coax. At the base of the antenna, I have installed a relay and can switch between the dummy load and the antenna base loading network. Whatever is wrong is wrong on the antenna side of that relay. If the dummy load is put on the other connector it acts as a dummy should, so the problem is not in the relay or its connection. If I substitute a lumped constant for the antenna, the traces are as expected with the scope. I just do not seem to be able to find a resonant point using a frequency divider and tiny amp. The scope traces are either sine wave traces but with the voltage and current out of phase, or else really convoluted forms which are in phase. I am still at step one. How to I get the two waveforms to coincide and at the same time have them look like sinewaves? Any ideas where to go with this now? "J" From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210402536897679353 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: b8ff4f56f86e525a325faa6daf893bac525b2cc4 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.16 with SMTP id w16cs10541qbh; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.94.20 with SMTP id w20mr1783073nfl; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q28si7333303nfc.2006.07.31.01.43.55; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G7TKA-0004Hh-RS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:40:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G7TKA-0004HY-AQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:40:30 +0100 Received: from smtp801.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.61]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G7TK7-0002y3-FN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:40:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 3476 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2006 08:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.77.47 with login) by smtp801.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2006 08:39:20 -0000 Message-ID: <002601c6b47c$db5716e0$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <001301c6b46e$95b42050$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 09:39:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.585 Subject: LF: Re: Antenna or transmitter tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5029 Hi Jay as the antenna is now "tuned" using the lower powered rig, there should be nothing in circuit to affect the scopemeter that was not present at lower power. There is the possibility of saturation in the matching transformer at the end of the coax, but I dont think that is likely to be significant. Laurence's thoughts are interesting and ground loops with the scope could be the culprit with the higher field strength despite the greater distance to the antenna. There is one other effect that will come in only as you increase power and could affect the waveforms on peaks..... that is insulator loss, corona discharge. At the higher powers you are now running, you will need to be certain that you do not have any tight bends in the antenna wires and that all end insulators are fitted with anti-corona rings. Sudden bursts of discharge current at the peak voltage point on the waveform could possibly give some of the effect you see. Jim who has run 1kW is more likely to able able to comment on that possibility, and provide suggestions on anti-corona rings. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Allen To: LF (RSGB) Sent: 31 July 2006 07:57 Subject: LF: Antenna or transmitter tuning > Hello again Friends, > > The single FET amp which Steve lent me has been working fine, but if you > remember, during tuning the antenna system would come up with some weird > wave shapes. The amp uses an air core output coil. The antenna loading > coil , its matching coil and both coils in the transmitter's Low Pass Filter > are air core as well. So there is no iron in the working system. > > Remember that when the antenna was tuned, one suggestion was to place a > matching transformer with TV Horizontal Ferrite core in the circuit. When > that was done, the waveform on the scope turned to garbage. (high in odd > order harmonics) > > Today, the two FET amp which Scott lent me was put on the air. It has a > ferrite TV output core which I wound and even though it was placed at the > exact length of coax from the antenna which Steve's amp had been, it 's > output waveform is badly distorted. > > It is important that I run the station at the maximum allowed IERP for the > sake of proving non-interference. > > On Scott's amp, the current and voltage waveforms are identical and in > phase, the amp runs very stable at over 300 Watts input, but the waveforms > look awful. I have decided to switch back to Steve's transmitter and > revisit both the output of Scott's amp and the antenna system. I am > considering winding a air core transformer for it, but am unconvinced doing > so will solve the real problem. > > I have a scopematch, and scope, an rf source capable of 18 kHz and up. > > Any ideas on how to approach this waveform problem? > > J. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210402536897679353 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: ee0e0d65007ba351a97f1ac180789f093cb649c4 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.16 with SMTP id w16cs9257qbh; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.93.13 with SMTP id v13mr1722246nfl; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c1si7657780nfe.2006.07.31.00.10.11; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G7Rqz-0003hl-Sb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:06:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G7Rqz-0003hc-Aj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:06:17 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G7Rqv-00073U-3Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:06:17 +0100 Received: from p1i5f0 (gi65.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.70]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DD8CB6BB1 for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:06:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000901c6b46f$c73bea80$4611f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: References: <001301c6b46e$95b42050$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:05:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.643,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: Antenna or transmitter tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5030 What does the amp look like into a 50 ohm load , on the scope match? Can you borrow that camera again and send us a jpeg or two? The transformer is not the issue. Hundreds have had success with those cores. Steve / VE7SL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208262874051793837 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: fac2ea3b9845f287783b2a09cad28f8cd8659f64 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs198075qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 09:21:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.72.4 with SMTP id z4mr1587205nfk; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 09:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l32si299762nfa.2006.07.07.09.21.08; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 09:21:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fyt0S-00014c-0q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 17:16:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fyt0R-00014T-Cq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 17:16:39 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fyt0N-0005TB-4Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 17:16:39 +0100 Received: from rmailcenter75.comcast.net ([204.127.197.157]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060707161628m120009rlie>; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:16:28 +0000 Received: from [24.91.125.179] by rmailcenter75.comcast.net; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:16:27 +0000 From: k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org (rsgb lf reflector) Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:16:27 +0000 Message-Id: <070720061616.26097.44AE88DB000A5069000065F122064246130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.558,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.492 Subject: LF: Congratulations to Laurence (re-sending due to bounced e-mail) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5035 Congratulations to Laurence KL1X/WD2XDW; his new Part 5 for his new address with additional priveleges in the 166 kHz band issued today July 7 2006! Too bad it wasn't before he left the Country! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209134721443808024 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 70448074ebbca9e53267188b6fded40e0564ddd4 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs107167qbh; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.220.15 with SMTP id s15mr1685084nfg; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q27si1301945nfc.2006.07.17.00.18.45; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 00:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2NKj-0006f1-T1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:16:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2NKj-0006es-4e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:16:01 +0100 Received: from grunt8.ihug.co.nz ([203.109.254.48]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2NKe-0002Q1-2k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 08:16:00 +0100 Received: from 203-109-186-4.dialup.ihug.co.nz (cobaltxp) [203.109.186.4] by grunt8.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1G2NKW-0000WX-00; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:15:49 +1200 Message-ID: <000901c6a970$d3ae3ac0$ea00a8c0@cobaltxp> From: "Murray ZL1BPU" To: References: <006c01c6a89d$40ec7d10$6501a8c0@eagles> <001001c6a8c7$53154920$56217ad5@w4o8m9> <003901c6a929$8ab886a0$ae1bfea9@cobaltxp> <001601c6a96e$9b863b40$adce28c3@captbrian> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:15:46 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.115 Subject: LF: Basic under Windows Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5041 Bryan, Let me know a suitable email address that can accept megabyte-sized attachments and I'll mail my compiler to you. The one I have is the old Microsoft Quick Basic compiler (V4.22 I think), which compiles true DOS executables. Used with care it will generate executables that work in a DOS box from any version of Windows, although if you use graphics (it has very good graphics) most computers will only operate correctly with the program running full screen (but still under Windows). Comms seem to work OK even with Win XP, although you can only use COM1 and COM2. Have a look on my web site for examples of programs I've written. There's also a very good commercial program called POWER BASIC that allows very sophisticated true Windows programs to be written. Con ZL2AFP's DominoEX program is an example. POWER BASIC makes very small executables for a Windows system. I am sure there are other commercial programs as well. 73, Murray ZL1BPU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209188835324018966 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 39cc30f9b499edc93c544d12743ec11aef292419 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs131259qbh; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.93.13 with SMTP id v13mr102617nfl; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d2si73024nfe.2006.07.17.14.38.55; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2aiz-0003DM-W5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:33:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2aiz-0003DD-IK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:33:57 +0100 Received: from mxout01.versatel.de ([212.7.152.117]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G2aiv-0006bo-FV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:33:57 +0100 Received: from mx04.versatel.de (mx01.versatel.de [212.7.146.1]) by mxout01.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6HLXlhp025037 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:33:47 +0200 Received: from localhost (webmail2.versatel.de [62.214.100.55]) by mx04.versatel.de (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k6HLXlfQ024161 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:33:47 +0200 Received: from i577a62f5.versanet.de (i577a62f5.versanet.de [87.122.98.245]) by webmail.versatel.de (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:33:47 +0200 Message-ID: <20060717233347.ck6ndmo5ugm8og4c@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:33:47 +0200 From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c69140$d0843ea0$e6a4c593@RD40002> In-Reply-To: <000001c69140$d0843ea0$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.643,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: rescue Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5043 Hi all, rescue from my wifes intensions to expand her flower garden (means reducing the aerial site) was her accidental meeting with the snake named ?Luzifer? living in the aerial area. see http://home.versanet.de/~uwe-jannsen/Luzifer.htm Many problems are solved on natural way. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209734931833318583 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 139a10c8086d0c631c58a93c948b638778c1a479 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs300681qbh; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:18:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.42.1 with SMTP id p1mr2799297nfp; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a23si1907582nfc.2006.07.23.15.18.53; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 15:18:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G4mF3-0003dn-MR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:16:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G4mF3-0003de-CK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:16:05 +0100 Received: from fep05.xtra.co.nz ([210.54.141.241]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G4mF0-0000Ke-EL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 23:16:05 +0100 Received: from mikes ([210.86.123.226]) by fep05.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20060723221554.JLAM19334.fep05.xtra.co.nz@mikes> for ; Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:15:54 +1200 Message-ID: <000e01c6aea5$8f878ce0$0301010a@mikes> From: "Mike McAlevey" To: References: <001d01c6ae5c$9ab89490$0301010a@mikes> <001c01c6ae6e$e07d9540$5111f4cc@p1i5f0> Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 10:15:51 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.945 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: VY1JA 137,778 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5045 Hello Steve and Jay, still traces of that signal in the daytime here so I guess it is local QRM of some sort. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209257098587562451 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 5f3cba4dd7a8d15b941d8bcc2dd9dc440f1b6587 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs177335qbh; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.161.1 with SMTP id j1mr1638224nfe; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x1si554944nfb.2006.07.19.06.11.55; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G3BkI-0008GR-TT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:05:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G3BkI-0008GI-7p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:05:46 +0100 Received: from liaar2aa.mx.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.151]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G3BkD-0008Sw-RG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:05:46 +0100 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by liaar2aa.mx.compuserve.com (8.13.6/8.13.4/r1.2) id k6JD5PIO021330 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:05:25 -0400 Received: from tcbonline (uk4-tgn-lmh-vty4.as.wcom.net [212.211.103.4]) by liaar2aa.mx.compuserve.com (8.13.6/8.13.4/r1.2) with SMTP id k6JD5MOu021309 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:05:23 -0400 Message-ID: <000001c6ab33$f99f8260$0467d3d4@tcbonline> From: "G8YMB" To: References: <000c01c6aa80$57c06440$0e66d3d4@tcbonline> <200607181801150520.00142CE3@smtp.wanadoo.fr> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 20:16:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1609/Wed Jul 19 08:13:27 2006 on liaar2aa.mx.compuserve.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: TEST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5046 Many thanks John. My company TDR Ltd no longer exists and it would be wrong to continue with that name. My email address (cameo_ etc.) is known by many persons and organizations and would cause confusion if I tried to change it! To other members of the reflector, sorry for this private message. It will cease after this email. I have been monitoring this reflector for over a year now and I have learnt a lot. Hope to be active on LF this winter 73 Mike G8YMB ----- Original Message ----- From: "John RABSON" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2006 5:01 PM Subject: Re: LF: TEST Mike, Not sure that you have. Your address shows as G8YMB 73 John F5VLF/G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209257098587562451 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: b441c12af64839dffabdcfa028dd2296d12f1365 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs153349qbh; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:07:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.254.1 with SMTP id b1mr854023nfi; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id n22si978594nfc.2006.07.18.09.07.15; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:07:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2s1G-0000oI-9i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:01:58 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2s1F-0000o9-OY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:01:57 +0100 Received: from smtp2.orange.fr ([193.252.22.29]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2s1B-0007xW-Ia for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 17:01:57 +0100 Received: from john-b5a82ea1a4 (Mix-Dijon-114-4-68.w193-249.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.249.233.68]) by mwinf0202.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A4BCF1C00216 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:01:28 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060718160133675.A4BCF1C00216@mwinf0202.orange.fr Message-ID: <200607181801150520.00142CE3@smtp.wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <000c01c6aa80$57c06440$0e66d3d4@tcbonline> References: <000c01c6aa80$57c06440$0e66d3d4@tcbonline> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:01:15 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.708,UPPERCASE_25_50=0.207 Subject: Re: LF: TEST Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5047 Mike, Not sure that you have. Your address shows as G8YMB= 73 John F5VLF/G3PAI *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 18/07/2006 at 16:38 G8YMB wrote: >TEST >Have now retired, hope I have changed my email name! >Mike G8YMB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209257098587562451 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 14c8d3beb4ee2981b74da8def7197da1548e16f8 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs152396qbh; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:43:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.41.18 with SMTP id t18mr837460nfj; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c28si466654nfb.2006.07.18.08.43.55; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:43:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2rg4-0000eH-Ol for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:40:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2rg4-0000e8-Bo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:40:04 +0100 Received: from liaar2aa.mx.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.151]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2rg0-0007aI-05 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:40:04 +0100 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by liaar2aa.mx.compuserve.com (8.13.6/8.13.4/r1.2) id k6IFdd7e023768 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:39:39 -0400 Received: from tcbonline (uk4-tgn-lmg-vty14.as.wcom.net [212.211.102.14]) by liaar2aa.mx.compuserve.com (8.13.6/8.13.4/r1.2) with SMTP id k6IFdaSL023757 for ; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 11:39:37 -0400 Message-ID: <000c01c6aa80$57c06440$0e66d3d4@tcbonline> From: "G8YMB" To: Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 16:38:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1601/Tue Jul 18 09:55:07 2006 on liaar2aa.mx.compuserve.com X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: TEST Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C6AA88.9D3358E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5048 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C6AA88.9D3358E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable TEST Have now retired, hope I have changed my email name! Mike G8YMB ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C6AA88.9D3358E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

TEST

Have now retired, hope I have changed = my email=20 name!

Mike = G8YMB

------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C6AA88.9D3358E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210401928135038317 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 0ca085402200929abd01b65c4a9fc4271f2ebdef Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.16 with SMTP id w16cs9104qbh; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:00:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.90.4 with SMTP id s4mr1717962nfl; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c10si6608358nfb.2006.07.31.00.00.29; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 00:00:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G7ReV-0003V9-BB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:53:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G7ReT-0003V0-DA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:53:21 +0100 Received: from smtp3-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.29]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G7ReO-000288-Mr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 07:53:21 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp3-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31D864951C for ; Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:52:46 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44CDA8B2.9090704@online.fr> Date: Mon, 31 Jul 2006 08:52:34 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.5 (Windows/20060719) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Priority: 3)))) X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.476 Subject: LF: T/A the last night VO1NA and WD2XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5055 Hi all on the list ! I take my recordings the night on the Atlantic windows The last night I copy: WD2XKO > 01:30 to 04:30 Trace on 137.779 not readable 00:30 to 02:00 ( WD2XES ? ) the captures of the night are on : http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/ 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207985134118005507 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 2b47df3f8cec5ee28ea8e724354945b4b8c734fc Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs175095qbh; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.40.16 with SMTP id s16mr809560nfj; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 15:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m15si8657805nfc.2006.07.06.15.18.32; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 15:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fyc8V-0007Ik-U1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:15:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fyc8V-0007Ib-IS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:15:51 +0100 Received: from web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.128]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fyc8S-0007o6-GJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:15:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 67411 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Jul 2006 22:14:39 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=QJYWwgvG1xodPR9rD0Uw4OznU78DPI+GnvqBT4pW6KXVRisp25PtbMlnoWF2cCi1kWJsss8mxVaFcz0G7Ls0NexmbTLE6uqQ/xTxFll9VRVXx1uZLzqT6ZiFL9m6hAfmAy/hJzLNoeELrdf2qWXQcsvvG3MTuHxJZ6FKcsmGGlg= ; Message-ID: <20060706221438.67409.qmail@web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Received: from [86.132.250.207] by web86503.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:14:38 BST Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 23:14:38 +0100 (BST) From: LECH LASZKIEWICZ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000901c69f77$db074850$6501a8c0@eagles> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.310,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-901522784-1152224078=:66561" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5057 --0-901522784-1152224078=:66561 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sorry Group, but I have a silly question : Is the supporting tower insulated from the ground? de Lech G3KAU "J. Allen" wrote: Alan, Steve and All, Thanks for the feedback. The antenna is basically an inverted-L antenna. Using approximate dimensions, the vertical portion is a 110 foot tower, but the attachment point for the horizontal is down at about 100 feet. --0-901522784-1152224078=:66561 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Sorry Group, but I have a silly question : Is the supporting tower insulated from the ground?

de Lech G3KAU

"J. Allen" <vy1ja@northwestel.net> wrote:

Alan, Steve and All,

Thanks for the feedback.

The antenna is basically an inverted-L antenna. Using approximate
dimensions, the vertical portion is a 110 foot tower, but the attachment
point for the horizontal is down at about 100 feet.

--0-901522784-1152224078=:66561-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207985134118005507 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: da756c3b0d9f34a3e8026466edf794c94a5ac516 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs120237qbh; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.200.19 with SMTP id c19mr4961464qbq; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 01:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id f18si3126840qba.2006.07.05.01.48.24; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 01:48:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fy2z0-0000pN-A3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:43:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fy2yy-0000pE-3D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:43:40 +0100 Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.202]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fy2ys-0005Gd-K4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:43:38 +0100 Received: (qmail 40727 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 08:43:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.95.250 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 08:43:28 -0000 Message-ID: <002401c6a00f$16a05e00$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <001101c69f68$fa306a90$6501a8c0@eagles> <001801c69f70$bef1a9a0$0300a8c0@lark> <000901c69f77$db074850$6501a8c0@eagles> <002b01c69f7e$701bbec0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <004701c69ff7$2298b710$6501a8c0@eagles> <002301c6a009$7fa86510$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:36:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.964 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5058 Well done Brian and Peter, that probably explains the problem. JA Has been working from ideas in the RSGB books which probably are set around rather more modest heights and areas available. His tower and top-load spread is quite impressive and should punch out a good signal when he cracks the tuning.....he should now have a good sight of where to go....... 3 to 6 mH is what you might require for tuning a 30 foot high 130 foot inverted L to 136kHz This is the internet and refector at its very best helping isolated enthusiasts, from the wealth of experience and knowledge available. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Martinez To: Sent: 05 July 2006 09:03 Subject: LF: Re: Antenna Tuning > From G3PLX: > > JA: > > Using the figures you gave in your posting, and the IN3OTD variometer > calculator quoted by Brian, I estimate that your variometer has inductance > between 3.0 and 6.8mH. > ------------snip From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207985134118005507 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: ef6f17a6fae8abfa9fb4533eb669cd2453457300 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs115711qbh; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 20:39:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.51.8 with SMTP id d8mr3812071nfk; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 20:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m16si5030357nfc.2006.07.04.20.39.29; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 20:39:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FxyBN-0008Q8-1B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:36:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FxyBM-0008Pz-7d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:36:08 +0100 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.55] helo=priv-edmwes34.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FxyBH-0004yt-6o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 04:36:08 +0100 Received: from priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edmwes34.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20060705033600.BFDT18196.priv-edmwes34.telusplanet.net@priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net> for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:36:00 -0600 Received: from [192.168.1.1] (d64-180-173-28.bchsia.telus.net [64.180.173.28]) by priv-edmwaa05.telusplanet.net (BorderWare MXtreme Infinity Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id F4UWQL8M47 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 21:36:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <44AB339F.20602@telus.net> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 20:35:59 -0700 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c69f68$fa306a90$6501a8c0@eagles> <001801c69f70$bef1a9a0$0300a8c0@lark> <000901c69f77$db074850$6501a8c0@eagles> In-Reply-To: <000901c69f77$db074850$6501a8c0@eagles> X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.760,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5059 J. The key to success in tuning an unknown LF antenna or any for that matter is first finding where it is resonant. I use a large stable inductor. I call mine the 'mother of all inductors' and it is wound on a big pail and works out to be about 7.5mH. It's not pretty or eff. but will resonant the system somewhere low and has lots of taps all up and down it... 1) connect said inductor in series with the proposed antenna. Use all the inductance... 2) attach a small TX WITHOUT any filtering or other frequency sensitive networks on the output see: http://www.mlecmn.net/~lyle/test-tx/test-tx.htm , use a signal generator as the exciter with a sweepable dial knob or other suitable source as in the link. The key being you need to SWEEP the frequency to find resonance where ever it may be... 3) power her all up at LOW power and sweep the frequency and determine where resonance by monitoring the DC input current. Start low and work your way up until you get the first peak in current. Be careful, you're looking for the first large peak, harmonics above the natural freq can be misleading. 4) measure the inductance somehow (meter, scope, etc...) of the coil and using the known frequency of resonance calculate the C of the antenna. 5) calculate the L the coil should be to resonant that antenna using the C above and 137KHz. 6) build coil with variometer and install, Use scopematch to fine tune the system for resonance and impedance... 7) Enjoy being QRO. 73 Scott J. Allen wrote: > Alan, Steve and All, > > Thanks for the feedback. > > The antenna is basically an inverted-L antenna. Using approximate > dimensions, the vertical portion is a 110 foot tower, but the > attachment point for the horizontal is down at about 100 feet. The > horizontal is composed of two, 390 foot long wires that form a V with > the included angle of about 50 degrees. The ends of the L wires are > supported at about 70 feet and 63 feet and the wires are single span > and have bout 10 or 12 feet of sag for stress. The antenna is over a > set of about 30, #11 radials of various lengths from 30 to 1200 feet > in length. The soil is very dry sand in a flat in the bottom bowl > formed by mountains. The antenna is fed through about 250 feet of 50 > Ohm hard line from the shack. > > At the base of the antenna, the vertical portion terminates at the > input of a Variometer the other end of which ties to the radial ground > system. The variometer is currently link coupled to the coaxial > cable, but the problem was there when the grounded side of the > variometer was tapped up like an autotransformer, and also when the > antenna was fed through a very large roller inductor / > autotransformer. In fact there have been a number of different feed > methods tried and all failed. > > If I am not mistaken, the antenna calculated at about 1500 pF. > > Nothing I have tried to date has resulted in successful tuning. The > most power I have been able to sustain is about 30 Watts. Higher > power has always resulted in smoke. > > The main limiting factor in all this work is the operator... I have > symptoms of early Alzheimer's Disease, and get confused about what I > am doing or where I am in a process. A written step by step which I > could check off as I go would be a great asset. > > It is important to the Canadian and possible future US amateur plans > for a LF portion on 137 that I be successful here. We have great > resistance from the power companies with their Power Line Carrier > systems here. I am fortunate that I live in one of the two areas of > Canada where 137 kHz is used for PLC, and the central purpose of my > experiments is to get the station up to full power and show > compatibility of PLC and amateur radio. > > I have had really wonderful support from Steve and Scott, and have > both of the UK LF books as guides but still cannot seem to get the > antenna tuned. I am familiar with the use of an oscilloscope and > maintained the PLC system which I am demonstrating non-interference with. > > As soon as I can get the antenna tuned properly, I can run the power > level up and begin beaconing essentially 24/7 for the remaining months > of our experiments. > > Has anyone produced a very detailed first time tuning guide for > beginners like me? I am about 1000 miles away from the closest > assistance (VE7SL/VE7TIL) > > Thanks again, > > JA > VY1JA > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207985134118005507 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: b69bc0285c84083dc06b4210914ebbd38e07d821 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs102162qbh; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 07:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.19.9 with SMTP id w9mr3530032nfi; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 07:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c1si396907nfe.2006.07.04.07.46.35; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 07:46:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fxm5u-0007Rx-CN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:41:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fxm5t-0007Ro-V4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:41:41 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fxm5p-0007Ky-5w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:41:41 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id ABF425089 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 08:45:07 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <000901c69f77$db074850$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: References: <001101c69f68$fa306a90$6501a8c0@eagles> <001801c69f70$bef1a9a0$0300a8c0@lark> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:40:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.147,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5060 Alan, Steve and All, Thanks for the feedback. The antenna is basically an inverted-L antenna. Using approximate dimensions, the vertical portion is a 110 foot tower, but the attachment point for the horizontal is down at about 100 feet. The horizontal is composed of two, 390 foot long wires that form a V with the included angle of about 50 degrees. The ends of the L wires are supported at about 70 feet and 63 feet and the wires are single span and have bout 10 or 12 feet of sag for stress. The antenna is over a set of about 30, #11 radials of various lengths from 30 to 1200 feet in length. The soil is very dry sand in a flat in the bottom bowl formed by mountains. The antenna is fed through about 250 feet of 50 Ohm hard line from the shack. At the base of the antenna, the vertical portion terminates at the input of a Variometer the other end of which ties to the radial ground system. The variometer is currently link coupled to the coaxial cable, but the problem was there when the grounded side of the variometer was tapped up like an autotransformer, and also when the antenna was fed through a very large roller inductor / autotransformer. In fact there have been a number of different feed methods tried and all failed. If I am not mistaken, the antenna calculated at about 1500 pF. Nothing I have tried to date has resulted in successful tuning. The most power I have been able to sustain is about 30 Watts. Higher power has always resulted in smoke. The main limiting factor in all this work is the operator... I have symptoms of early Alzheimer's Disease, and get confused about what I am doing or where I am in a process. A written step by step which I could check off as I go would be a great asset. It is important to the Canadian and possible future US amateur plans for a LF portion on 137 that I be successful here. We have great resistance from the power companies with their Power Line Carrier systems here. I am fortunate that I live in one of the two areas of Canada where 137 kHz is used for PLC, and the central purpose of my experiments is to get the station up to full power and show compatibility of PLC and amateur radio. I have had really wonderful support from Steve and Scott, and have both of the UK LF books as guides but still cannot seem to get the antenna tuned. I am familiar with the use of an oscilloscope and maintained the PLC system which I am demonstrating non-interference with. As soon as I can get the antenna tuned properly, I can run the power level up and begin beaconing essentially 24/7 for the remaining months of our experiments. Has anyone produced a very detailed first time tuning guide for beginners like me? I am about 1000 miles away from the closest assistance (VE7SL/VE7TIL) Thanks again, JA VY1JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209340578046560223 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 1850959f2c2c31e75020293af66b5dd507f44003 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs178591qbh; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.48.15 with SMTP id v15mr1665292nfv; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l38si700826nfc.2006.07.19.06.50.48; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 06:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G3CMc-00006z-Jr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:45:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G3CMc-00006q-5Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:45:22 +0100 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G3CMZ-0006k2-86 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:45:22 +0100 Received: (qmail 28939 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 13:45:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.82.233 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 13:45:12 -0000 Message-ID: <000d01c6ab39$8ebd6420$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:45:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.609 Subject: LF: Interesting Loran effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5061 I have not been very active with my waterfall displays recently but I was running Spectran on 137 this afternoon and noticed that when my local TVs had stopped watching the News (or Daily Politics !! unlikely this hot weather) I had an interesting and unusual "clumping" of what I took to be Loran lines at 137.0 and 136.0 kHz. The modulation sidebands seemed to be about 1.5Hz apart. I wondered about local interference but the lines are very stable, but odd frequencies for Loran. the signal stopped at 1342 and then returned some minutes later. Maybe this is one of the "error" signals indicating that not all transmitters are active. I have not tried running Peter's Loran program which isolates the different stations on a GRP. Loran is usually much more uniform than this but there is a high static level here. I do hope that means some showers here !! The clumps are still visible at 14:44 BST (1344z) Cheers de Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208268202505642603 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 368341c006d97b8081aa3e9d0f7e5cbec5be3f08 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs200353qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 10:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.15.1 with SMTP id s1mr1659449nfi; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 10:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p72si5206402nfc.2006.07.07.10.45.51; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 10:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyuKi-0001M2-BA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:41:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyuKh-0001Lt-Uv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:41:39 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FyuKd-0006Nd-PE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 18:41:39 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 44A0F83865 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 11:45:55 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <004b01c6a1ec$92156fb0$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "LF $RSGB$" Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 17:41:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.120,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5066 Mike and All, The reason the tower has been bonded to ground is that the tower supports HF antennas as well. The feed lines, rotor cable, and remote antenna relay control cable would need to be decoupled at LF which I am unfamiliar with accomplishing. My attempt to decouple was to put the feedline out at 4 feet from the tower. I do not want to get too far from the tower, because my ground system is tied to two 10 foot ground rods at the tower base. These ground rods are required by local electrical code for grounding the tower. If I unground the tower for LF, I have to find a way to connect the rods but have them decoupled at LF. Yesterday, to make sure that the HF wire antennas were not part of the problem, I took them all down. The only antenna left on the tower is a small A4 tribander. When this was done, it made no difference at all on the LF tuning. Does anyone know how far out from the tower will be the best distance for a 100 foot vertical riser of 1/2 inch coaxial cable? Would I be better off by making the vertical riser a single #11 wire instead of the coaxial cable? Mike, you said that this may not be the problem at all, because you had done a similar installation without these problems. What is different about your installation? Anyone who has been following, please brainstorm and think of any possibility which I should be looking for. Because I get confused, I could have made just about any kind of mistake imaginable in the construction of the antenna, but whatever it is, that antenna sure works on receive! I will be leaving for Edmonton for neuropsychological testing related to early Alzheimer's on July 9 and will be back on July 12. Please think about the antenna problems. I hope that someone can find the little fox in my antenna vineyard. J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209543780105837292 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: cd1cba8385321555fecdcc3d23d41ed41684bd4d Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs254602qbh; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.1.4 with SMTP id 4mr942755nfa; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x24si1381718nfb.2006.07.21.12.40.36; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:40:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G40oO-0001iD-PQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:37:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G40oO-0001i4-CM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:37:24 +0100 Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.23]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G40oK-0001O1-Ga for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:37:24 +0100 Received: from 88-106-96-202.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.96.202]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2006 20:37:13 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AY8CAA/JwESKOg Received: from 88-106-96-202.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.96.202]:3071 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1G40ns-0008zt-R4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:36:52 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 20:38:10 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001601c6acfb$2c5785e0$6ee4fc3e@g3kev> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.780,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: RE: cmos Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5067 Hi Mal, Go to :- http://www.datasheetcatalog.com/ Do a search & then download the data sheet for each one. 73 Gary - G4WGT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of hamilton mal Sent: 21 July 2006 20:23 To: rsgb Subject: LF: cmos Hi All Does anyone have pin out data for 4060, 4040, 4047 Any info welcome, my data book lost. Tnx de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209058175770895388 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: e2af2e32c38bedbcdb0476d7ee97daa63d47263b Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs86931qbh; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 04:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.242.9 with SMTP id p9mr1053131nfh; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 04:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id b1si448672nfe.2006.07.16.04.09.08; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 04:09:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G24R7-0002re-Kf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:05:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G24R7-0002rV-75 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:05:21 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.203]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G24R2-0004vU-BX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:05:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 76403 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2006 11:05:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.33.86 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2006 11:05:07 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.10.1/389]); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:02:27 +0100 Message-ID: <001001c6a8c7$53154920$56217ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <006c01c6a89d$40ec7d10$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 12:02:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.673 Subject: LF: Re: DFCW on TS450 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5076 Dear J, LF Group, It occurs to me you need to be a little careful generating DFCW in this way - if , during a transmitting session, the number of up and down shifts are not the same, you will end up on a different frequency than when you started. So it would be as well to check the frequency at the start of each over. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Allen To: LF (RSGB) ; Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 7:01 AM Subject: LF: DFCW on TS450 > All, > > Tests here show the UP an DN pins on the TS450 front Microphone connector do > move the frequency up and down when in transmit on CW. > > The QRS software shift signal from the computer is intended to key a single > line to ground to switch mark frequency from shift. > > Does anyone have a circuit for 74XX series ICs to switch the signals from > that line to close the circuit momentarily on either the UP or DN pins? > > I am working on it with a breadboard and am tired right now and it is not > happening for me. > > J > VY1JA > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209058175770895388 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 154cd44139610e4932b35f16d6853852c185d9a9 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs86869qbh; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 04:02:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.19.18 with SMTP id w18mr1042795nfi; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 04:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c1si304126nfe.2006.07.16.04.02.08; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 04:02:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G24LM-0002lu-3F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:59:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G24LL-0002ll-87 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:59:23 +0100 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G24LH-0004th-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:59:23 +0100 Received: (qmail 69484 invoked from network); 16 Jul 2006 10:58:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?213.122.33.86?) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.33.86 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jul 2006 10:58:10 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.10.1/389]); Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:55:24 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01c6a8c6$56d61720$56217ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <006c01c6a89d$40ec7d10$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Sun, 16 Jul 2006 11:53:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.707 Subject: LF: Re: DFCW on TS450 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01C6A8CE.7B948C60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5077 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01C6A8CE.7B948C60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear J, LF Group, See the attached circuit. The up/down output pulse widths are roughly 100ms, which I guess should be OK - if you want to change that, scale the values of the two 10uF time constant capacitors. The supply voltage isn't critical; 5 - 15V certainly is OK. The RS232 voltage levels can vary over a similar range. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: J. 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(james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.12.216 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 21:11:37 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.9/382]); Wed, 05 Jul 2006 22:09:04 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c6a077$3ecccf40$d80c7ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 22:09:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-2.980,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.026,RCVD_IN_SORBS_MISC=1.597 Subject: LF: Re: LF loading coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5083 Dear Gary, LF group, ...But there is another justification for making a high-Q loading coil, and that is power dissipation. If you are trying to run 1kW into a small antenna, it isn't hard to end up with a few hundred watts dissipated in the loading coil if this has mediocre Q. This would only reduce the radiated signal by about 1dB or so compared to a perfect, zero-loss loading coil, but it would certainly make the coil get warm! A big, high Q coil dissipates less power in the first place, and has more surface area to dissipate the heat, too. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary - G4WGT To: Cc: LW Wave Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 8:11 PM Subject: LF: RE: Re: LF loading coils > Hi Alan & Steve, > > You made almost identical comments. > ***************** > > So I will give that idea a "MISS" > > Thanks to you both for your comments. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209269549005085236 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 6df14deb1e8c3420847a62829c272e07ddd45dd6 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs157969qbh; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:01:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.42.1 with SMTP id p1mr977236nfp; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id g1si1134587nfe.2006.07.18.12.01.50; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:01:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2umI-0001uQ-Q9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:58:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2umI-0001uH-9P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:58:42 +0100 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2umE-00018E-Iw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:58:42 +0100 Received: (qmail 69106 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 18:57:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@86.135.54.45 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 18:57:32 -0000 Message-ID: <038101c6aa9c$06a2a3e0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <44BD2725.5040901@freenet.de> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 18:57:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.557 Subject: LF: Two soundcards or one? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5088 >From G3PLX: I don't know about earlier versions of Windows, but it's certainly possible in XP to open a soundcard for input in one program, and open the SAME soundcard for output in another program. I do it all the time. So it should be possible to send DFCW in one program and receive something else into another program, both at the same time, and without needing two soundcards. 73 Peter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207808768221389165 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 9eabbfb14e271197bdc637f95c522e5122be7b1a Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs50900qbh; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 09:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.10 with SMTP id e10mr1710791nfj; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 09:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d2si971972nfe.2006.07.02.09.03.21; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 09:03:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fx4Mm-0002lL-43 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:00:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fx4Ml-0002lC-PW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:00:11 +0100 Received: from post-24.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.194]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fx4Mi-0001s8-6p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:00:11 +0100 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:11968 helo=pcroelof) by post-24.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fx4Mf-000IqM-Fe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:00:05 +0000 Message-ID: <002601c69df0$928242c0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: References: <002101c69db5$eeb664d0$bde7e8c7@Laptop> Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 18:00:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.966 Subject: LF: Re: QSL SAQ Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5093 Hello all, Excellent aural copy of the 08:30 UTC transmission. This time I used an AOR7030 receiver with a 2.2 kHz bandwidth. Antenna, what else, a pa0rdt-Mini-Whip. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt Middelburg, Netherlands Locator JO11tm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207981765539854618 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: cbc5a9ff0b85c7f28ceb1237d42fee3cb728249a Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs119863qbh; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:34:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.189.20 with SMTP id r20mr4951969qbp; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 01:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q17si3129719qbq.2006.07.05.01.34.45; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 01:34:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fy2jy-0000i5-9V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:28:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fy2jx-0000hw-LS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:28:09 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.139]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fy2jr-0007hy-BG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:28:09 +0100 Received: (qmail 34218 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 08:26:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?213.122.94.46?) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.94.46 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 08:26:52 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.9/382]); Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:24:18 +0100 Message-ID: <002501c6a00c$68dcf280$2e5e7ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <001101c69f68$fa306a90$6501a8c0@eagles> <001801c69f70$bef1a9a0$0300a8c0@lark> <000901c69f77$db074850$6501a8c0@eagles> <002b01c69f7e$701bbec0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <004701c69ff7$2298b710$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:24:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.741,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376 Subject: LF: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5102 Dear JA, LF Group Using your variometer's winding data, and Claudio's calculator, the adjustment range comes out to 2.8 - 6.6mH. This seemed very large, but calculating the two coils as isolated solenoids and adding their inductance gives the correct "mid-range" inductance, so it is definitely a realistic estimate. So the first problem is that the variometer is just too big! The obvious solution would be to reduce the number of turns by a factor of about 2 - but before getting this drastic , I calculate that since: outer coil = 3.38mH inner coil = 1.33mH mutual inductance (added to both coils) = +/-0.95mH Connecting outer and inner coils in parallel instead of in series will give an inductance range of 0.32 - 1.49mH, which would be good. I am not quite sure if this is correct, so will have to check. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Allen To: Jay Rusgrove ; Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 6:52 AM Subject: LF: Antenna Tuning > Jay, Scott, Steve and All, > > Thanks for the note. > > The Variometer is built with two coils in both the stationary and rotory > windings. > Each of these have a one inch space between the coils to allow for the > rotating shaft. > > The stationary coils are wound on a 10-3/4 inch former at 19 or 20 TPI > closewound > with about #16 solid electric motor wire. The two coils are each 3-1/8 inch > long. > The bottom coil has a number of taps. > > The rotary coil is 7-1/2 inches long and 6 inches in diameter close wound > with the > same wire. Subtracting 1 inch gives 6-1/2 inches and makes the two coils > total > 3-1/4 inches length each. This is as close as I could match the inner coils > to the > outer ones. > > If someone knows how to estimate how much inductance range this variometer > is likely to have I would appreciate knowing. > > I have built a ScopeMatch which works well with the dual trace scope which > Scott, VE7TIL, leant me. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207981765539854618 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a4194ec2e95ec43366574588d0b38188b71cf5c3 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs119362qbh; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 01:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.219.7 with SMTP id w7mr4974695qbq; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 01:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q17si3110885qbq.2006.07.05.01.08.24; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 01:08:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fy2MD-0000b6-RI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:03:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fy2MD-0000ax-BJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:03:37 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.141]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fy2MA-0007WV-AH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:03:37 +0100 Received: (qmail 11686 invoked from network); 5 Jul 2006 08:03:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.158.53 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jul 2006 08:03:28 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c6a009$7fa86510$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <001101c69f68$fa306a90$6501a8c0@eagles> <001801c69f70$bef1a9a0$0300a8c0@lark> <000901c69f77$db074850$6501a8c0@eagles> <002b01c69f7e$701bbec0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <004701c69ff7$2298b710$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:03:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.137 Subject: LF: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5103 >From G3PLX: JA: Using the figures you gave in your posting, and the IN3OTD variometer calculator quoted by Brian, I estimate that your variometer has inductance between 3.0 and 6.8mH. To do this, I converted the outer coil diameter from 10.75 inches to 0.275m, the inner one from 6 inches to 0.15m, and the length of both from 7.5 inches to 0.185m. I had to guess that both the inner and outer coils have 122 turns (both halves) and I calculated on the basis that these turns were uniformly spaced along the whole length. In other words I had to ignore the 1-inch gap in the middle and imagine that the turns were spread evenly. This is the best I can do without trying to calculate the total inductance of the two (coupled) halves of each gapped coil. >From this it looks like you could never resonate your antenna at 136kHz with that variometer. It's too big and it's inductance cannot be swung down to the 1mH you would need to tune it, if it's capacitance is about 1200pF as Alan has estimated. Before you tear it apart and rebuild it, I would echo what Scott has suggested, and use a general-purpose LF generator to.. (a) Check the inductance of your present variometer using a known-value capacitor (e.g. 1200pF). (b) Measure the capacitance of the antenna using the signal generator and the variometer. (c) Calculate the inductance required to resonate that. (d) Finally build a new variometer to give an inductance range spanning the expected value. 73 Peter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207981765539854618 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 81557b20dd1ec4085365aaa54f6cd86dbb653bc4 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs100200qbh; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 06:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.51.9 with SMTP id d9mr3341311nfk; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 06:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y24si5852173nfb.2006.07.04.06.53.03; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 06:53:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FxlIr-0007Ij-HI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:51:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FxlIr-0007Ia-1G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:51:01 +0100 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FxlIm-0006vc-QH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:51:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 75023 invoked from network); 4 Jul 2006 13:49:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.106.174 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Jul 2006 13:49:49 -0000 Message-ID: <001801c69f70$bef1a9a0$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <001101c69f68$fa306a90$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:49:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.694 Subject: LF: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5104 Hi, I am not sure that that is the cause. If it were, you should be able to see signals on the scope match when you are not transmitting. Local RF can severely corrupt the operation of wideband detectors in antenna bridges. But this is mainly because a good bridge will have in excess of 70dB nulls which brings the null down to the level of the received signal, and the null is "flattened out" and indistinct. When using bridges on LF it is necessary to have a tuned detector such as a receiver or use a high enough drive level to overcome the received voltage. You are not "nulling" on the scopematch and if you had serious harmonic effects they would be plainly clear as a distorted trace on the scope. My suggestion is that you are amiss somewhere with your appreciation of the parameters for the tuning of your antenna and are in fact trying to resonate it at a harmonic frequency. Be very careful with short lengths of coax in the feed, If not correctly terminated (ie in "off-tune" conditions) these can resonate with link coils....invariably if Murphy is around at a harmonic. If you do use coax relpace it temporarily by a wire and see if the situation changes.....you may be surprised. I suggest a old-fashioned absorption wave meter to cover 136 and its harmonics could be useful here. Its why we all had to have one in the "old-days". You may find that when you think you are tuned you have more harmonic output that the required freeqency so the antenna is acting as a "selector" I think you need to check for this effect first. I dont believe that a local signal except a very strong one would affect a passive SWR indicator. It may lead to starnge readings on something like an MFJ or Autek antenna analyser as these are effectively bridges with very high sensitivity. Another reason I dont think the scopematch is affected is that the main proposer (though there were many involved in the idea) is Jim M0BMU. Jim lives "just over the fence" from the Brookmans Park BBC transmission site. So he has several MF half kilowatt BC transmitters a matter of yards away.....he reports getting "several volts" of it on his Marconi !! But they dont affect his tuning. Remind me of the parameters of your antenna and loading coil, and lets throw some figures around again. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Allen To: ; ; Steve McDonald ; Scott Tilley Sent: 04 July 2006 13:54 Subject: LF: Antenna Tuning > Steve, Scott, and All, > > Last night, I was following a thread of another person and their problems > with SWR detection in the presence of a nearby strong LF transmitter. It > did not dawn on me until this morning that the problems with the LF antenna > tuning here relate to what looks like an even order harmonic on a system > based on the square wave which generates high odd order harmonics, not even. > The antenna tuning problems are much harder to get any change in the voltage > portion of the SWR, and are more pronounced at low power used for antenna > tuning than at higher power. > > I believe that the very strong signal from the LF beacon less than a mile > from here which operates on about 240 kHz. is effecting the voltage portion > of the ScopeMatch readings and that this may be why the problem has been > elusive to the point of discouragement. > > Here are three ideas which I put out for feedback and suggestions. > > 1. During my testing, vary the frequency slightly and see if it shifts the > voltage wave shape because of the way the two signals combine. If it does, > my antenna is acting as a voltage pickup. > > 2. Put the LPF which I built out at the antenna terminals so that it blocks > the voltage signal from getting to the scopematch pickup. > > 3. Add a second FET to Steve's bulletproof antenna tuning transmitter, so > that it produces a stronger voltage signal and masks the voltage from the > nearby antenna. > > What do you think about these ideas? Are there any other ideas you can > think of which will make testing more successful? Is there a different kind > of SWR circuit which works better in the presence of a strong signal? I > wonder if any of my friends in EU have had similar problems and have found a > way to beat it. > > Help anyone? > > JA > > VY1JA. > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210071206335285955 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 8366a40e03b0b2796803643ce50c9590cfacd31b Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs13416qbh; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.8.15 with SMTP id l15mr741930nfi; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y24si4372922nfb.2006.07.28.06.34.54; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 06:34:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G6SOO-0008BN-SQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:28:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G6SOO-0008BE-38 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:28:40 +0100 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G6SOJ-0007jn-Nl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 14:28:39 +0100 Received: from [194.97.55.242] (helo=mx9.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1G6SNK-0004bZ-UF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:27:34 +0200 Received: from p5486c259.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.194.89] helo=[192.168.0.22]) by mx9.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62 #2) id 1G6SNK-0005s1-L1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:27:34 +0200 Message-ID: <44CA10C0.9060807@freenet.de> Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 15:27:28 +0200 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <266.e26b233.31faade3@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <266.e26b233.31faade3@aol.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.784,RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.832 Subject: LF: Re: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5106 Thanks Jim, Your spreadsheet works nice now, even without Excel (using Open Office 2.0.3 here - BTW there was a security update for it recently). Have a nice weekend everyone, 73, Wolf DL4YHF (awful lot of QRN here by the way) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210071206335285955 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 523a9b927c3ce856893ea232e2d6d1c7ccbbb24a Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs325041qbh; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.254.1 with SMTP id b1mr122166nfi; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h1si3040094nfe.2006.07.27.17.07.55; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:07:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G6FrI-0005uX-1g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:05:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G6FrH-0005uO-KF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:05:39 +0100 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G6FrE-0006Jf-Ff for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 28 Jul 2006 01:05:39 +0100 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id l.266.e26b233 (39953) for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:01:39 -0400 (EDT) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <266.e26b233.31faade3@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:01:39 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5059 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.041,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1154044899" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5107 -------------------------------1154044899 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 7/27/2006 3:37:37 PM Central Daylight Time, g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk writes: WinZip gives me an error to the effect that it is corrupt. Well, that's not a very nice thing for WinZip to say. Unfortunately, it was true. The original as received from Jim worked fine here, but upon re-examination I find it did indeed get corrupted during transfer to the server the first time. Five bytes went missing! The re-upload appears to have been successful: http://lwca.org/library/articles/m0bmu/Tapped_coil_v2.zip However, in case there's any further problem, you can also obtain the two files individually: http://lwca.org/library/articles/m0bmu/tap_coil.xls http://lwca.org/library/articles/m0bmu/Tapped_coil_v2.pdf 73 John -------------------------------1154044899 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 7/27/2006 3:37:37 PM Central Daylight Time, g4wgt@ti= scali.co.uk writes:

WinZip gives me an error to the effec= t that it is corrupt.

Well, that's not a very nice thing for WinZip to say. Unfortunate= ly, it was true.

The original as received from Jim worked fine here, but upon re-ex= amination I find it did indeed get corrupted during transfer to the server&n= bsp;the first time. Five bytes went missing!

The re-upload appears to have been successful:

h= ttp://lwca.org/library/articles/m0bmu/Tapped_coil_v2.zip

However, in case there's any further problem, you can al= so obtain the two files individually:

http://= lwca.org/library/articles/m0bmu/tap_coil.xls

h= ttp://lwca.org/library/articles/m0bmu/Tapped_coil_v2.pdf

John

-------------------------------1154044899-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210071206335285955 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: d01a47716c80f29a5341daa357f24c8013347b97 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs321976qbh; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.75.2 with SMTP id c2mr457756nfl; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r34si1029967nfc.2006.07.27.14.00.50; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G6Cv1-0004yQ-13 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:57:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G6Cv0-0004yH-I6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:57:18 +0100 Received: from smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.70]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G6Cux-0004xM-GH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:57:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 49139 invoked from network); 27 Jul 2006 20:57:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.56.86 with login) by smtp810.mail.ird.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jul 2006 20:57:05 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c6b1bf$3dfd05e0$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:56:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.596 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5108 Hi John ditto I get "invalid archive directory." error message. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary - G4WGT To: Sent: 27 July 2006 21:35 Subject: RE: LF: Re: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet > Hi John, > > I have downloaded the file 2 times & I cannot un-zip, WinZip gives me an > error to the effect that it is corrupt. > > Any comments please. > > Gary - G4WGT. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210071206335285955 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: aed7031d1dd6846ac9f2d4a97b72aa6020018c88 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs321445qbh; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.55.13 with SMTP id h13mr436795nfk; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q27si3818905nfc.2006.07.27.13.39.23; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 13:39:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G6CaQ-0004r0-6q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:36:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G6CaP-0004qr-LW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:36:01 +0100 Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.23]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G6CaL-0003wu-Fz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:36:01 +0100 Received: from 88-106-101-217.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.101.217]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 27 Jul 2006 21:35:49 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FACDAyESCeYdQ Received: from 88-106-101-217.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.101.217]:3423 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1G6CZo-000PLq-EH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:35:24 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 21:35:59 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <363.9c1fb38.31fa670d@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.783,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: Re: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01C6B1C4.A675EB50" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5109 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C6B1C4.A675EB50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi John, I have downloaded the file 2 times & I cannot un-zip, WinZip gives me an error to the effect that it is corrupt. Any comments please. Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of WarmSpgs@aol.com Sent: 27 July 2006 19:59 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Anyone who cares to download Jim's files from the Web can find them zipped together at: http://lwca.org/library/articles/m0bmu/Tapped_coil_v2.zip John ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C6B1C4.A675EB50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi John,

I have downloaded the file 2 times = & I=20 cannot un-zip, WinZip gives me an error to the effect that it is=20 corrupt.

Any comments please.

Gary - G4WGT.

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 WarmSpgs@aol.com
Sent: 27 July 2006 19:59
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Tapped = loading coil=20 design spreadsheet

Anyone who cares to download Jim's files from the Web can find = them=20 zipped together at:

http:/= /lwca.org/library/articles/m0bmu/Tapped_coil_v2.zip

John

------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C6B1C4.A675EB50-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210071206335285955 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: bd23e4d4ea764257695803353a282a72e071bd55 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs318902qbh; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:05:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.161.1 with SMTP id j1mr335886nfe; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o45si3304409nfa.2006.07.27.12.05.53; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 12:05:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G6B5B-0004aq-Ll for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:59:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G6B5B-0004ah-0k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:59:41 +0100 Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.4] helo=imo-m23.mail.aol.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G6B56-00048R-Ri for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 19:59:41 +0100 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id l.363.9c1fb38 (42809) for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:59:25 -0400 (EDT) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <363.9c1fb38.31fa670d@aol.com> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 14:59:25 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5059 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.136,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1154026765" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5110 -------------------------------1154026765 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Anyone who cares to download Jim's files from the Web can find them zipped together at: http://lwca.org/library/articles/m0bmu/Tapped_coil_v2.zip John -------------------------------1154026765 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Anyone who cares to download Jim's files from the Web can find the= m zipped together at:

h= ttp://lwca.org/library/articles/m0bmu/Tapped_coil_v2.zip

John

-------------------------------1154026765-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210071206335285955 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: b026bfb7fc7cdd47dc256871c107faaa276a608e Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs312331qbh; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:23:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.161.1 with SMTP id j1mr134760nfe; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a24si3460519nfc.2006.07.27.08.23.49; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 08:23:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G67e1-0003y1-OZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:19:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G67e1-0003xs-5H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:19:25 +0100 Received: from amsfep17-int.chello.nl ([213.46.243.15] helo=amsfep11-int.chello.nl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G67dy-0007dC-2G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 16:19:25 +0100 Received: from MARLEEN ([80.56.66.191]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060727151855.XLLU1848.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@MARLEEN> for ; Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:18:55 +0200 Message-ID: <001801c6b190$059cd8d0$bf423850@MARLEEN> From: "PA0WFO" To: References: <000001c6b17e$4823a8d0$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2006 17:19:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.652,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C6B1A0.C901F430" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5111 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C6B1A0.C901F430 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Jim , I,m very interested in the spreadsheet in Exel to check the results of = my experiments .=20 73, William PA0WFO ----- Original Message -----=20 From: james moritz=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 3:12 PM Subject: LF: Tapped loading coil design spreadsheet ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C6B1A0.C901F430 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear Jim=20 ,

I,m very = interested in=20 the spreadsheet in Exel to check the results of my experiments .=20

73, William = PA0WFO

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Subject: LF: Tapped loading = coil design=20 spreadsheet

------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C6B1A0.C901F430-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208288611697015759 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: def9b9af22a35c426acfc5ebe1d484c9df456e70 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs206851qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:10:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.242.8 with SMTP id p8mr1826508nfh; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q28si361940nfc.2006.07.07.16.10.15; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 16:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyzRS-0002TE-5j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:08:58 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyzRR-0002T5-JB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:08:57 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FyzRK-0008JC-33 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 00:08:57 +0100 Received: (qmail 3950 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2006 23:07:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.117.175 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jul 2006 23:07:43 -0000 Message-ID: <001e01c6a21a$29562a40$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <007701c6a218$306fb5a0$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 00:07:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.859 Subject: LF: Re: Need Solenoid transformer data for antenna Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5114 I am afraid that suggests to me that you are not resonating the aerial at the expected frequency. A high Q tuned circuit should make the sinewave better not worse !! If you start putting transformers in you are going round the old loop again where you are not quite sure whether you are measuring the antenna or the transformer. My feeling is that you do need to get it properly resonant first. Could it just be that if your drive source has harmonic content and you are using a series resonant method that someone suggested.......the poor waveform is a good sign !! it means that you have the main resonance and what you are seeing is the hamonic content of the generator This is the classic way of measuring harmonic distortion an amps and generators by nulling the fundamental in a notch filter (more effective than a series tuned cct) Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Allen To: LF (RSGB) Sent: 07 July 2006 23:53 Subject: LF: Need Solenoid transformer data for antenna > I am starting to see progress but now, every time I get close to resonance, > the waveform of the voltage becomes quite distorted. I believe that it was > Scott who told me that the way he beat the waveform problem was to use an > isolating transformer at the antenna. > > I have no iron but I have a LOT of different sizes of PVC conduit and wire. > What I propose is to take a piece of that 10-3/4 inch form and wind a > trifilar of #17? on it. One winding would be for 50 ohms primary from the > transmitter and the other two would be secondaries. I can tap one of the > secondaries for antenna impedances less than 50 and if needed add the second > winding in series for impedances above 50. > > The problem is that I do not have any idea how many turns I should have. I > think too few will result in poor coupling and too many may cause the > internal reactance to limit current flow. > > Any guesses where to start? The wire works out to about 19 turns per inch, > so dividing by 3 means 19/3 or 6-1/3 turns per inch on all windings. > > To get started, I plan to make about 8 trifilar turns of each. If this is > poor design, please let me know. > > I tried a transformer made over a TV horizontal output core and when I > applied this to the dummy load, the current was lagging the voltage with > only about 24 turns on it. I do not like the result and set the idea of > iron out of the way for now. > > "J" > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210333691798137913 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 28bd02e34c64579dee8685824822259b1f2d6eb5 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs60586qbh; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.75.2 with SMTP id c2mr1196927nfl; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id v20si6959466nfc.2006.07.30.06.09.17; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 06:09:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G7B0N-0000Ox-ER for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:06:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G7B0N-0000Oo-2h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:06:51 +0100 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G7B0K-0003SD-DW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 14:06:51 +0100 Received: from fwd29.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1G7B0J-0003Au-01; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:06:47 +0200 Received: from HW1 (TFuhRoZXQeYQT33ixxAgvRvQANaswv+oaEs1p6+PgfEuw5FM10SSUm@[84.133.117.167]) by fwd29.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1G7B0A-11XOe80; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:06:38 +0200 Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 15:06:38 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1601258685.20060730150638@t-online.de> To: Mike Dennison In-Reply-To: <44CCB989.12813.1A5AE43@localhost> References: <44CCB989.12813.1A5AE43@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: TFuhRoZXQeYQT33ixxAgvRvQANaswv+oaEs1p6+PgfEuw5FM10SSUm X-TOI-MSGID: c86f2956-004b-4db3-a799-f1aa1f94c44a X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.839 Subject: Re: LF: EU activity this morning Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5125 Mike, that was DK6NI. He came back to your call, but he was transmitting when you ask for QRSS10. 73 Hartmut > Low static this weekend. On Saturday I had another contact with > PA3FNY who is a really good signal these days. On Sunday I called > DJ6GT but he did not reply. At about 0915UTC I think I was being > called by a very weak station on about 137.726kHz, but could not make > out more than the odd character. Does anyone know who this was - or > did I just imagine it? I did ask for a QRSS10 transmission but saw > nothing. > Mike, G3XDV > ========== >> Captured PA3FNY, DJ6GT, G3XDV, DK6NI and DM2AYO this morning. >> DM2AYO was only weak on my antenna beaming at 330�. >> Captures can be seen here: >> http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm >> Hartmut >> www.h-wolff.de >> Locator: JO52hp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1210333691798137913 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 706a8b66a53f3056ff1feb7468dc1806e368a61f Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs60434qbh; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 05:55:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.90.4 with SMTP id s4mr1183187nfl; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 05:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id z73si5873873nfb.2006.07.30.05.55.48; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 05:55:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G7AmR-0000H8-Sx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:52:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G7AmR-0000Gz-87 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:52:27 +0100 Received: from mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49] helo=mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G7AmN-0003Mx-H3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:52:27 +0100 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060730125217.BXA1865.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:52:17 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([82.10.67.170]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060730125217.EHKS644.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:52:17 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 30 Jul 2006 13:52:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <44CCB989.12813.1A5AE43@localhost> In-reply-to: <4210013336.20060730132401@t-online.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.564,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: EU activity this morning Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5126 Low static this weekend. On Saturday I had another contact with PA3FNY who is a really good signal these days. On Sunday I called DJ6GT but he did not reply. At about 0915UTC I think I was being called by a very weak station on about 137.726kHz, but could not make out more than the odd character. Does anyone know who this was - or did I just imagine it? I did ask for a QRSS10 transmission but saw nothing. Mike, G3XDV =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Captured PA3FNY, DJ6GT, G3XDV, DK6NI and DM2AYO this morning. > DM2AYO was only weak on my antenna beaming at 330=B0. > Captures can be seen here: > http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm > Hartmut > www.h-wolff.de > Locator: JO52hp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209220135401178140 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: f8416d33760661d9c914851d3843ab6366d4811b Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs145403qbh; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:16:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.21.8 with SMTP id y8mr602798nfi; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r34si714336nfc.2006.07.18.04.16.27; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 04:16:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2nRu-0007FP-Eu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:09:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2nRt-0007FG-PH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:09:09 +0100 Received: from web25409.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.146.176.227]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2nRp-0005uo-GT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:09:09 +0100 Received: (qmail 11078 invoked by uid 60001); 18 Jul 2006 11:07:59 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=cr5yNSHK6eIx31t4S6vv7TN7Ki2xHuoZ8KymuVl51CNxBxwVUhyeFkKs1Zuu47xxCUs/OxncCo9rxa1jIqSg4fV1KYuOFfqtxUXlGuVQHebjDtt+Wm79oWI+U1B9L1b8u0poVAhHbxR7MFBLoX3WSSyeJKVkTFoxNtIsWhbO32A= ; Message-ID: <20060718110759.11076.qmail@web25409.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.78.182.231] by web25409.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:07:59 BST Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 12:07:59 +0100 (BST) From: brian hodgson To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001201c6aa42$e08f77e0$0300a8c0@lark> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.740,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RF Ammeter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1067508592-1153220879=:9473" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5130 --0-1067508592-1153220879=:9473 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi J I agree with what Alan says - I've made up three "clamp-on" ammeters using split-core EMC ferrites (500 mA, 2 amp & 15 amp) - they seem to work very well - even up to 4MHz. The two halves of ferrite are glued (expoy resin) to the jaws of strong "hand clamps" with the other components (meter, diode, resistors etc) stuck to the clamp with plastic wood filler. However, for fixed meters eg transmitter output and aerial matching units, I use the regular EMC cores (similar size to the split ones but all in one piece - rather like very large ferrite beads). Its easy to wind the secondary (10 - 20 turns thin enammelled copper wire) and the primary is just the aerial wire poked through the hole. I've also used a 25 mm diam toroid for a 30 amp meter - there wasn't enough space inside the big bead for the 60 turn secondary. GL - Brian (G3YKB) Alan Melia wrote: Toroid splitting seems a lot of effort when you can use an "EMC" split core for the transducer quickly and without a lot of effort. --------------------------------- To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! 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Hi J

I agree with what Alan says - I've made up three "clamp-on" ammeters using split-core EMC ferrites (500 mA, 2 amp & 15 amp) - they seem to work very well - even up to 4MHz. The two halves of ferrite are glued (expoy resin) to the jaws of strong "hand clamps" with the other components (meter, diode, resistors etc) stuck to the clamp with plastic wood filler.

However, for fixed meters eg transmitter output and aerial matching units, I use the regular EMC cores (similar size to the split ones but all in one piece - rather like very large ferrite beads). Its easy to wind the secondary (10 - 20 turns thin enammelled copper wire) and the primary is just the aerial wire poked through the hole. I've also used a 25 mm diam toroid for a 30 amp meter - there wasn't enough space inside the big bead for the 60 turn secondary.

GL - Brian (G3YKB)

Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com> wrote:

Toroid splitting seems a lot of effort when you can use an "EMC" split core
for the transducer quickly and without a lot of effort.

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Security Centre. --0-1067508592-1153220879=:9473-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209220135401178140 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 05b679b45304d812652491b078283185b1a556ee Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs141790qbh; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.142.14 with SMTP id p14mr461349nfd; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c1si565455nfe.2006.07.18.01.25.18; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:25:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2kol-0006VM-TY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:20:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2kok-0006VD-Ct for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:20:34 +0100 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2kof-0004C5-Ky for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:20:33 +0100 Received: (qmail 714 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 08:19:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.18.231 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 Jul 2006 08:19:23 -0000 Message-ID: <001201c6aa42$e08f77e0$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <009f01c6aa0e$aedf1f40$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 09:19:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.921 Subject: LF: Re: RF Ammeter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=NO_EXPERIENCE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5131 Hi J, ouch, that is bad news in one way but good news in another. You dont say what type of meter it was but if thermo suggests that there was very little current in the antenna. I suspect that it must have been a torroidal current transformer type otherwise you would not have had any reports. So what failed the meter or the diodes? Toroid splitting seems a lot of effort when you can use an "EMC" split core for the transducer quickly and without a lot of effort. Remember the reported effect I mentioned (I have no experience of this personally) that ferrite transformer rf ammeters can give strange readings if mounted within the field of the loading coil. I dont think size is too important in this application, because I have used Tek passive current probles for measuring 8 or 9 amps of 136kHz RF during experiments on the bench. A note on the antenna loading coil. The bifilar link is overkill (only really necessary to get the widest bandwidth at the highest frequency....not necessary for a narrow band match) and restricting the match. You might be better to try an ad hoc overwind maybe of some extra turns on the input side to see if the match can be improved when you have a replacemnt RF current meter. If you can crack this you should not need the ferrite transformer which will be giving some extra loss. Good Luck Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Allen To: LF (RSGB) Sent: 18 July 2006 03:05 Subject: LF: RF Ammeter > Scott and Friends, > > The ammeter check results are in.... Dead Meter. > > I went over the antenna connections cleaning and soldering and a small > amount of retuning was required. > > Someone asked how things are set up now... > > There are two coil forms involved. On the first is a bifilar winding with > ten turns each for the coaxial feed and for the antenna feed. One end of > each of these windings is grounded. > > The second form has the loading inductor for the antenna. It consists of a > single layer close wound solenoid with 40 turns of ~16 Formvar coated wire > two inches long and 10-3/4 inches in diameter. The entire coil exactly > resonates the antenna, without taps and without using the Variometer. > > It is a very simple and straightforward setup. The fact that there should > be a lower antenna resistance bothers me, but NOT enough to play with it. > That antenna plays. I may make up an antenna current meter from the LF > Today book. What cuts the toroid core material and leaves a sooth cut or am > I dreaming? > > J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209220135401178140 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 8db5b38a583f7366211104edd94e20caaa29ccfd Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs138824qbh; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.42.1 with SMTP id p1mr330331nfp; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a23si427920nfc.2006.07.17.22.56.25; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:56:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2iW0-0005Z2-8h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:53:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2iVy-0005Yt-Vt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:53:03 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.206]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2iVu-0003f2-Dd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 06:53:02 +0100 Received: from hotmail.com ([207.46.8.141]) by bay0-omc3-s6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:52:30 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 22:52:30 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 207.224.66.98 by BAY118-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 05:52:25 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.224.66.98] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: References: <009f01c6aa0e$aedf1f40$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:52:24 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 00:52:24 -0500 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0029.3000 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Jul 2006 05:52:30.0359 (UTC) FILETIME=[5B4C6A70:01C6AA2E] X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.869,FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS=0.298,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: LF: Re: RF Ammeter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0638_01C6AA04.6F32F740" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.0 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS,HTML_30_40, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5132 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0638_01C6AA04.6F32F740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would try a wet tile saw, the kind you use to cut floor tiles for the = wife...LOL!!! Mike WE0H WD2XGI ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J. Allen To: LF (RSGB)=20 Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 9:05 PM Subject: LF: RF Ammeter Scott and Friends, The ammeter check results are in.... Dead Meter. I went over the antenna connections cleaning and soldering and a small = amount of retuning was required. Someone asked how things are set up now... There are two coil forms involved. On the first is a bifilar winding = with=20 ten turns each for the coaxial feed and for the antenna feed. One end = of=20 each of these windings is grounded. The second form has the loading inductor for the antenna. It consists = of a=20 single layer close wound solenoid with 40 turns of ~16 Formvar coated = wire=20 two inches long and 10-3/4 inches in diameter. The entire coil = exactly=20 resonates the antenna, without taps and without using the Variometer. It is a very simple and straightforward setup. The fact that there = should=20 be a lower antenna resistance bothers me, but NOT enough to play with = it.=20 That antenna plays. I may make up an antenna current meter from the = LF=20 Today book. What cuts the toroid core material and leaves a sooth cut = or am=20 I dreaming? J.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0638_01C6AA04.6F32F740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I would try a wet tile saw, the kind you use to cut floor tiles for = the=20 wife...LOL!!!

Mike

WE0H

WD2XGI

----- Original Message -----

From: J. Allen

To: LF (RSGB)

Sent: Monday, July 17, 2006 = 9:05 PM

Subject: LF: RF Ammeter

Scott and Friends,

The ammeter check results are = in....=20 Dead Meter.

I went over the antenna connections cleaning and = soldering=20 and a small
amount of retuning was required.

Someone asked = how=20 things are set up now...

There are two coil forms = involved. On=20 the first is a bifilar winding with
ten turns each for the coaxial = feed=20 and for the antenna feed. One end of
each of these windings = is=20 grounded.

The second form has the loading inductor for the=20 antenna. It consists of a
single layer close wound solenoid = with 40=20 turns of ~16 Formvar coated wire
two inches long and 10-3/4 inches = in=20 diameter. The entire coil exactly
resonates the antenna, = without=20 taps and without using the Variometer.

It is a very simple and=20 straightforward setup. The fact that there should
be a lower = antenna=20 resistance bothers me, but NOT enough to play with it.
That = antenna=20 plays. I may make up an antenna current meter from the LF =
Today=20 book. What cuts the toroid core material and leaves a sooth cut = or am=20
I dreaming?

J. =

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------=_NextPart_000_001E_01C69D94.66C70F00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208086951523123357 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: e0e4b7432153dd896937362999e9477f602014a9 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs134531qbh; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 10:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.43.18 with SMTP id q18mr4101714nfq; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 10:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p43si5894784nfa.2006.07.05.10.44.57; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 10:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyBMF-0001zb-5u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:40:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyBME-0001zS-Pc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:40:14 +0100 Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FyBMB-0004j1-O8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:40:14 +0100 Received: from 88-106-110-197.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.110.197]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2006 18:38:57 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAE6Wq0SKDw Received: from 88-106-110-197.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.110.197]:1228 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FyBKy-0005nH-Cn; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:38:56 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF $Rsgb LF Group$" Cc: "LW Wave" Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:38:45 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.338,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: LF loading coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5146 Hi All, There is a lot of discussion at the moment on LF & LW regarding antenna tuning & loading etc, I have a related question. Would there be any noticeable improvement to the performance my 14 metre vertical antenna if I replace my normally wound LF loading coils with basket weave coils? My back garden is so small I cannot run any substantial capacitive top load so I need to improve the antenna system in any way I can. 73 Gary - G4WGT. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209191931866718378 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a05bb91eba3522c8863daf44b4160206c3f55a33 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs132313qbh; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.48.18 with SMTP id v18mr125181nfv; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o9si110441nfa.2006.07.17.15.28.08; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 15:28:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2bWu-0003YS-Cs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:25:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2bWt-0003YJ-VB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:25:31 +0100 Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.202]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G2bWq-0007IQ-1h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:25:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 71863 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2006 22:25:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.100.218 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2006 22:25:22 -0000 Message-ID: <000601c6a9ef$e4a479a0$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <000001c69140$d0843ea0$e6a4c593@RD40002> <20060717233347.ck6ndmo5ugm8og4c@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 23:25:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.621 Subject: LF: Re: rescue Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5151 Hi Uwe he looks nice I dont recognise the markings, but he doesnt look dangerous. However watch out for the apple !! :-)) Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 17 July 2006 22:33 Subject: LF: rescue > Hi all, > rescue from my wifes intensions to expand her flower garden (means > reducing the > aerial site) was her accidental meeting with the snake named ?Luzifer? > living in the aerial area. > see > > http://home.versanet.de/~uwe-jannsen/Luzifer.htm > > Many problems are solved on natural way. > > regards > Uwe/dj8wx > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208073022558350028 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: ace9d8d8d1c0332765351a7e30fc498477de1122 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs127976qbh; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 07:03:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.220.17 with SMTP id s17mr7841134ugg; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q1si318153uge.2006.07.05.07.03.33; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:03:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fy7uF-0001SY-24 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 14:59:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fy7uD-0001SP-Pk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 14:59:06 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fy7u5-0007zU-Ts for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 14:59:03 +0100 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1Fy7tv-000562-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 14:58:47 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1Fy7tt-0002AW-EP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 14:58:45 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:58:44 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c6a03b$2171ab50$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002501c6a00c$68dcf280$2e5e7ad5@w4o8m9> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-Information: X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-2.298,OBSCURED_EMAIL=3.194 Subject: LF: RE: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5156 Dear JA, LF group, The basic idea of connecting the variometer coils in parallel seems to = be sound, but I made an error in the calculation. More careful calculation shows that, for the parallel connection: L =3D (L1L2 - M^2)/(L1+L2-2M),=20 Where L1, L2 are the inductances of the two coils individually and M is = the mutual inductance between them. In this case, L1 =3D 3.38mH, L2 =3D = 1.33mH, M is between -0.95mH and +0.95mH, making the adjustment range for JA's = variometer with the coils in parallel 0.54mH - 1.28mH, which is still OK. = Calculating inductances of coils is often not very precise, so it would certainly be = a good idea to check the inductance as Peter describes, to make sure you = are in the right range. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz Sent: 05 July 2006 09:24 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Antenna Tuning Dear JA, LF Group ... Connecting outer and inner coils in parallel instead of in series will = give an inductance range of 0.32 - 1.49mH, which would be good. I am not = quite sure if this is correct, so will have to check. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207977165479308311 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: b67e5143845ca6ef1d1488fb42c6caf9ac26ce67 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs99999qbh; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 06:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.20.14 with SMTP id x14mr3335083nfi; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 06:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l21si5834363nfc.2006.07.04.06.46.57; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 06:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FxlC0-0007DJ-8K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:43:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FxlBv-0007DA-JM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:43:51 +0100 Received: from smtp6-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.36]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FxlBq-0005iP-P5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:43:51 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp6-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141BC22652 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 15:43:16 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44AA706D.8060603@online.fr> Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 15:43:09 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.723 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Web site close down Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5188 Hello Laurence , Good luck on the move , we will miss your beacon the next winter ! 73 qro Jean-Pierre F1AFJ > =20 > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]*On Behalf Of *Laurence KL1X > *Sent:* 03 July 2006 23:37 > *To:* lowfer2; rsgb_lf_group > *Subject:* LF: Web site close down > > > The WD2XDW/KL1X website at http://www.cableone.net/flow has or about=20 > to close down as we exit the USA. The house is packed and parts of it=20 > are in US storage, some for Shanghai and a load in preparation for a=20 > move to Singapore 9V1 in about May 2007. Ill be cancelling the Part 5=20 > revision which has been in progress since err....January... > =20 > We have now received permission (an encapsulated "license" with a=20 > photo/class of license (1) equiv)) to operate from China radio club=20 > stations - there is not a process to operate on our own at present. > =20 > Our confirmed apartment location is about 10 miles ESE of the center=20 > of the city - location to fly into with Google Earth and see that 3rd=20 > floor apartment and environs is 31 deg 14 min 40.54 secs N, 121 deg 34=20 > mins 51.25 secs East. We found the other 41st floor apartment was=20 > giving me a nose bleed. The new location is poor to awful for LF as we=20 > have half the national chinese power grid with multiple pylons within=20 > 200m of the location but heck Ill try anything once - saving grace is=20 > a coffee house, large open football/soccer and cricket part and=20 > western style store within 4 mins. > =20 > =20 > Cheers Laurence KL1X in Texas... --=20 Visitez mon site radioamateur =E0 : http://jpmere.online.fr/ Analys=E9 avec Norton Antivirus garanti sans virus connu From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207977165479308311 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a1cf4d87f9f0ab1c391b7bc0c1bfa849e8acffcd Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs99101qbh; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 06:18:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.31.14 with SMTP id i14mr3315568nfj; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 06:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y23si5827210nfb.2006.07.04.06.18.39; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 06:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FxkkD-00076R-Bi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:15:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FxkkC-00076I-Oc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:15:12 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fxkk8-0006fQ-GP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:15:12 +0100 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1Fxkk3-0005vN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:15:03 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1Fxkjw-00047l-B8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 14:14:56 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 14:14:55 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c69f6b$d7b2e3a0$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-Information: X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.882,HTML_90_100=0.189,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Web site close down Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0001_01C69F74.39774BA0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5189 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C69F74.39774BA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Bon Voyage, Laurence! 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Bon Voyage, = Laurence!

Cheers, Jim = Moritz

73 de M0BMU

------=_NextPart_000_0001_01C69F74.39774BA0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207977165479308311 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: fe054ba5be382a5707c49d3cc38371acd31e6c93 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs97983qbh; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.161.1 with SMTP id j1mr3274504nfe; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 05:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k24si5711702nfc.2006.07.04.05.39.51; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 05:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fxk4H-0006rq-Dq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 13:31:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fxk4F-0006rh-Rj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 13:31:51 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.38]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fxk4A-0006IR-3D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 13:31:51 +0100 Received: from 88-106-110-59.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.110.59]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 04 Jul 2006 13:31:25 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAOD7qUSCdIcaLA Received: from 88-106-110-59.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.110.59]:3515 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Fxk3h-0005Jc-7y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 13:31:17 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 13:31:39 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.404,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Web site close down Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01C69F6E.2E4E7330" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5190 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C69F6E.2E4E7330 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Laurence, Good luck on the move, had a look at the new 'home' on Google Earth. Thanks for all your efforts etc on LF & look forward to having (seeing) you back on my screen some time in the future. 73 Gary - G4WGT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Laurence KL1X Sent: 03 July 2006 23:37 To: lowfer2; rsgb_lf_group Subject: LF: Web site close down The WD2XDW/KL1X website at http://www.cableone.net/flow has or about to close down as we exit the USA. The house is packed and parts of it are in US storage, some for Shanghai and a load in preparation for a move to Singapore 9V1 in about May 2007. Ill be cancelling the Part 5 revision which has been in progress since err....January... We have now received permission (an encapsulated "license" with a photo/class of license (1) equiv)) to operate from China radio club stations - there is not a process to operate on our own at present. Our confirmed apartment location is about 10 miles ESE of the center of the city - location to fly into with Google Earth and see that 3rd floor apartment and environs is 31 deg 14 min 40.54 secs N, 121 deg 34 mins 51.25 secs East. We found the other 41st floor apartment was giving me a nose bleed. The new location is poor to awful for LF as we have half the national chinese power grid with multiple pylons within 200m of the location but heck Ill try anything once - saving grace is a coffee house, large open football/soccer and cricket part and western style store within 4 mins. Cheers Laurence KL1X in Texas... ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- Express yourself instantly with Windows Live Messenger ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C69F6E.2E4E7330 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi=20 Laurence,

Good luck on=20 the move, had a look at the new 'home' on Google Earth. Thanks for all = your=20 efforts etc on LF & look forward to having (seeing) you back on = my=20 screen some time in the future.

Gary -=20 G4WGT

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Laurence=20 KL1X
Sent: 03 July 2006 23:37
To: lowfer2;=20 rsgb_lf_group
Subject: LF: Web site close=20 down

The WD2XDW/KL1X website at http://www.cableone.net/flow = has or=20 about to close down as we exit the USA. The house is packed and parts of = it are=20 in US storage, some for Shanghai and a load in preparation for a move to = Singapore 9V1 in about May 2007. Ill be cancelling the Part 5 revision = which has=20 been in progress since err....January...

We have now = received=20 permission (an encapsulated "license" with a photo/class of license (1)=20 equiv)) to operate from China radio club stations - there is not a = process=20 to operate on our own at present.

Our confirmed apartment = location=20 is about 10 miles ESE of the center of the city - location to fly = into with=20 Google Earth and see that 3rd floor apartment and environs is 31 = deg 14=20 min 40.54 secs N, 121 deg 34 mins 51.25 secs East. We = found the=20 other 41st floor apartment was giving me a nose bleed. The new = location is=20 poor to awful for LF as we have half the national chinese power grid = with=20 multiple pylons within 200m of the location but heck Ill try = anything once=20 - saving grace is a coffee house, large open football/soccer and cricket = part=20 and western style store within 4 = mins.

Cheers=20 Laurence KL1X in Texas...

Express yourself instantly with Windows Live Messenger ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01C69F6E.2E4E7330-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208831665252628020 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 2928eb56f35b977fb6633f186ded2b7873bda909 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs30505qbh; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.108.19 with SMTP id g19mr1372447nfc; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id v20si1915672nfc.2006.07.13.16.01.51; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G1A8Q-000172-Um for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:58:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G1A8Q-00016t-Cn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:58:18 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.197]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G1A8L-0001bd-9w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:58:18 +0100 Received: (qmail 76226 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2006 22:57:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.48.61 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2006 22:57:06 -0000 Message-ID: <003701c6a6cf$ad7e1440$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <001901c6a6cc$bf0801b0$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 23:57:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.826 Subject: LF: Re: DFCW TS450 FSK shift adjustment HELP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5193 Hi J, Is it stable enough for that ?? Even at 60 sec dots you dont need go so low. 1Hz shift is quite readable if you are not bothered about fitting into a narrow slot. I dont know the TS-450 but I think the FSK may be produced by adding DC keying to the PLL Loop so it may be a soldering iron mod. If it is, one thing to watch is that you dont want to be conveying small keying signals (for a small shift) over long lengths of wire. So put a potential divider right at the addition point in the PLL loop and feed a bigger DC shift to it for keying. That will give you a better noise margin. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: J. Allen To: LF (RSGB) ; ; Scott Tilley ; Steve McDonald ; Sent: 13 July 2006 23:36 Subject: LF: DFCW TS450 FSK shift adjustment HELP? > To All my Friends, > > Does anyone have a TS450 service manual and know how to explain how to > modify or adjust the FSK shift down to10 Hz. on the 450? Ideally, the > change should be reversible. > > To speed communications in the VY1JA 137 kHz experiment with the low level > of received signal in the south, DFCW will be essential. The TS450 has FSK > provision with a minimum of170 Hz. shift. Since the frequency is divided by > 100, the shift must be reduced to 10 Hz., so that the DFCW has a 0.1 Hz. > shift after division. > > For my friends in NCCC, I know this message does not relate to contesting, > but I was hoping to find someone, somewhere who would help and it would > greatly help if the change could be completed as soon as possible. > > Help? > > Thanks, > > J. Parke Allen, "J." (given name) > VY1JA, "JA"(sign) > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209350164212302721 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 98699642af4bea304b5f4b728003bd18a91ed7ad Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs183927qbh; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.20.15 with SMTP id x15mr1807701nfi; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a23si753275nfc.2006.07.19.09.23.10; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 09:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G3EjH-00018Q-4a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:16:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G3EjF-00018H-Ak for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:16:53 +0100 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G3Ej8-000196-Qv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 17:16:50 +0100 Received: (qmail 47015 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 16:16:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@86.135.54.45 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 16:16:41 -0000 Message-ID: <054701c6ab4e$b81069c0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <000d01c6ab39$8ebd6420$0300a8c0@lark> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 16:16:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.487 Subject: LF: Re: Interesting Loran effect Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5196 >From G3PLX: Alan: When the LORAN master goes faulty (or is turned off for whatever reason), the slaves blink the first two pulses at 3.5 sec intervals, which would show as a filling-in of all the spaces between LORAN lines with extra lines at about 0.3Hz spacing. I have seen this happen before (see previous postings, May I think). However, I wouldn't expect this to show any 'clumping' effects at a specific frequency. At various times the master may switch off or blink it's 9th pulse, or even key it with morse code, but I wouldn't expect that to show any spectrally-pure artefacts either. Is it possible that it was an emission not related to LORAN at all? Just something that produced similar-looking lines? 73 Peter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209688033282052702 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 0874809209a95f2267a0449c935bf1dba19d9885 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs289405qbh; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.1.3 with SMTP id 3mr2275216nfa; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id n23si196105nfc.2006.07.23.02.53.27; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 02:53:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G4aYz-0002MG-LZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:47:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G4aYy-0002M7-N2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:47:52 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G4aYu-0004rU-Tb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 10:47:52 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 308AD1C591 for ; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 03:53:08 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <006a01c6ae3d$083a89d0$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "LF $RSGB$" Date: Sun, 23 Jul 2006 09:47:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.028,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: First trip to KI0LE from YUKON in progress Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5201 Friends, I have done a few experiments and can see that it is my signal showing on KI0LE, so I have just switched to QRSS60 and am going to send JA JA JA for a bit. I do not have any idea how long propagation will last but it would be nice to get one capture of JA on 137778.4 (shows on KI0LE as .5) Still running ~100 W output to the antenna. That is a nice trip. J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207824782024301735 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: d5addb507bd13375996cf9f56ed91c73327b3dc8 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs54335qbh; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 13:17:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.218.19 with SMTP id q19mr1830801nfg; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 13:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x24si3741144nfb.2006.07.02.13.17.52; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 13:17:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fx8IM-0003Qn-Ov for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 21:11:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fx8IL-0003Qe-Tw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 21:11:53 +0100 Received: from mta1.siol.net ([193.189.160.88]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fx8IH-0003xo-Od for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 21:11:53 +0100 Received: from edge2.siol.net ([10.10.10.211]) by mta1.siol.net with ESMTP id <20060702201138.PVKT4387.mta1.siol.net@edge2.siol.net> for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:11:38 +0200 Received: from siol ([193.95.209.7]) by edge2.siol.net with SMTP id <20060702201137.HUUM4459.edge2.siol.net@siol> for ; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:11:37 +0200 Message-ID: <001f01c69e13$781d6f40$07d15fc1@siol> From: "Joze Konda" To: Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 22:09:45 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: SAQ on S5 - JN75OU Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01C69E24.3A1C9200" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5203 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01C69E24.3A1C9200 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_001C_01C69E24.3A243320" ------=_NextPart_001_001C_01C69E24.3A243320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all Nice signal SAQ in S5... RX : Wandel&Golterman - SPM 60, filter 24 Hz ANT : indoor loop without preamp. See attas. Regards 73 , Joze S52AB http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/5_2006/saq.html ------=_NextPart_001_001C_01C69E24.3A243320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello all

Nice signal SAQ in S5...

RX : Wandel&Golterman - SPM = 60, filter 24=20 Hz

ANT : indoor loop without = preamp.

See attas.

Regards

73 , Joze S52AB

http://le= a.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/5_2006/saq.html

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X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.534 Subject: LF: RE: RF Ammeter Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5219 Dear J, LF Group, Well, it's a pity the meter died, but a relief as far as the antenna = system is concerned! The antenna matching system you have at the moment actually looks pretty good. The main effect of the 1:1 transformer will be to act as a shunt inductor of around 50uH, together with the series inductance of the = loading coil. This all-inductor L network can only achieve a match if the load = has a resistive part less than 50ohms, showing that your antenna has loss resistance well below 50ohms. A rough calculation, assuming the = transformer is also using a 10-3/4" former with the same size wire, coupling between primary and secondary near unity, and factoring in some 25pF stray capacitance for the loading coil, gives the following Loading coil XL =3D 613ohms Shunt inductor XL =3D 42.6ohms For match to 50ohms, Total antenna+coil loss resistance Rloss =3D 21ohms Antenna capacitance Cant =3D 1900pF For 100W to the antenna, the 21ohms of loss resistance would result in antenna current =3D 2.2A. As far as splitting ferrite cores to make an RF ammeter goes, my = suggestion would be not to split the core, and just feed the wire through it! I = can't see this would be any harder than connecting your broken meter into the circuit, and avoids the trouble and uncertainties involved in splitting = the core. I think the "weird results" that sometimes occur are likely to be = due to stray capacitance between the low-current parts of the ammeter = circuit and the high voltage parts of the antenna tuner. Putting the complete ammeter circuit inside a metal case, connected to one end of the current carrying wire forming the transformer primary, prevents this problem. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU=20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of J. Allen Sent: 18 July 2006 03:06 To: LF (RSGB) Subject: LF: RF Ammeter Scott and Friends, The ammeter check results are in.... Dead Meter. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208374170671818203 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: b5203df367956bcca94efea3522daa6d7acdb81c Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs222676qbh; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 14:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.47.3 with SMTP id u3mr2492330nfu; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 14:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k23si3564186nfc.2006.07.08.14.50.10; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 14:50:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FzKd1-00068K-0a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:46:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FzKd0-00068B-CY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:46:18 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FzKcw-0007Qv-Ee for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 22:46:18 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 7F7A2136C7; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 15:50:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <003d01c6a2d7$da64b820$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "Mark" , "LF $RSGB$" , "Scott Tilley" References: <44B01FAE.8010805@sisna.com> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 21:45:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.150,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: VY1JA beaconing 137,574 +/- Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5248 Mark and All, The beacon will be turned on shortly. VY1JA is in beacon mode with approximately 100 Watts transmitter output QRSS60 137,574+/- (Note the frequency is NOT in the NA watering hole) The beaconing will run continuously tonight except for time for another try for QSO with Scott, VE7TIL. Reception reports would be greatly appreciated. The beacon will be off Sunday night through Tuesday night, as I will be in Edmonton. 73, J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208160154551123032 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 3fb29cc188d6125630f2e8585e0de7212ac08a1d Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs159730qbh; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 06:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.80.3 with SMTP id d3mr449961nfb; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 06:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k9si8186209nfc.2006.07.06.06.08.29; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 06:08:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyTXp-00066F-Dn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:05:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyTXo-000666-VF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:05:24 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FyTXj-0003iR-Uo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:05:24 +0100 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1FyTXc-0000GA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:05:12 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1FyTXb-0007Si-3O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 14:05:11 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 14:05:10 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c6a0fc$cfc5b040$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-Information: X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.745 Subject: LF: RE: Loading Coil Q Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5250 Dear Gary, LF Group, The technique I use is like this -=20 Select a low-loss capacitor (polystyrene, silver-mica, polypropylene, = air variable, etc) that will resonate the coil near the frequency of = interest and connect in series with the coil. Connect this series L/C across the output of a sine-wave source with a = known output impedance (sig gen, function generator), Rs, usually 50R. Monitor = the output voltage (using scope, RX + millivoltmeter, SLM, etc.) and adjust = the frequency (or capacitance) for minimum output voltage (i.e. series resonance) Measure the output voltage at the minimum (Vmin), then disconnect L/C = and measure the open-circuit voltage at the generator output (Voc). The equivalent series resistance of the inductor (RL) is then: RL =3D Rs.Vmin/(Voc-Vmin) RL is usually what you want to know, but you can find Q =3D = (2.pi.f.L)/RL where f is the frequency.=20 You can also calculate L if you know what C and f is: L =3D (1/(2.pi.f.sqrt(C)))^2 If your voltage measurement capability is not very accurate, or you are = not sure exactly what the sig gen output impedance is, you can use a substitution method - note Vmin voltage L/C series resonant as before, = then replace L/C with different resistors until you find the value that gives = the same Vmin - RL is then the same as this resistor. If you use a scope or wide-band voltmeter to measure Vmin, errors can be caused for high values of Q (100 or more) due to harmonics in the output = of the signal source. This is fairly obvious on the scope screen. Using a selective level meter, or the more cumbersome Rx + audio voltmeter, eliminates this problem. The ideal tool for the job is a selective level meter with tracking generator - I usually use a W&G SPM6/PS6. I have = used this technique successfully from audio to HF, with a wide range of inductors. If testing a large loading coil, be careful to arrange things = to keep the coil well separated from the test gear, large metal objects, = the ground, yourself etc., otherwise Q can be substantially reduced by the losses induced by the coil's field. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209887550511411675 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 3c050f59a88639ed5bddbe8e6b0184431e5a2705 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs245466qbh; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:44:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.242.9 with SMTP id p9mr739016nfh; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k9si880405nfc.2006.07.25.07.44.41; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:44:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G5Ny8-0007km-8t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:33:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G5Ny7-0007kd-KW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:33:07 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G5Ny4-0006EN-Bw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:33:07 +0100 Received: from p1i5f0 (gi77.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.82]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0E62AB6F16 for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:32:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000301c6aff7$3a2c4300$5211f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: References: <44C5C9A5.1040509@telus.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 07:32:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.949,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: The Shanghai grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5292 .... some old guy in a trench coat lurking in the subway ? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208337336724933063 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 02681f6e0e8bc6e2db0ed3858308212a6af03f44 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs215405qbh; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 05:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.93.18 with SMTP id v18mr2199649nfl; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o53si2122835nfa.2006.07.08.05.04.42; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 05:04:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FzBTy-0004hk-5t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 13:00:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FzBTx-0004hb-Lg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 13:00:21 +0100 Received: from newbox.tcp.net.uk ([195.80.0.243]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FzBTt-0004XP-NL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 13:00:21 +0100 Received: from d4f8d8 ([212.248.140.46]) by newbox.tcp.net.uk (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k68Bv0bH022398; Sat, 8 Jul 2006 12:57:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.10/383]); Sat, 08 Jul 2006 11:52:16 +0100 Message-ID: <002501c6a27c$93e460e0$045bfea9@d4f8d8> From: "Andy Talbot" To: , "LF Group" , "John, G3WKL" , "Keith and Vicki" Cc: "PLX" , "GUO" References: <002101c6a269$417cc6c0$045bfea9@d4f8d8> Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 11:52:16 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-TCP-MailScanner-Information: Please visit www.tcp.co.uk for more information X-TCP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TCP-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-TCP-MailScanner-From: actalbot@southsurf.com X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.075 Subject: LF: Re: [uk_beacons] 1.96MHz Beacon on again Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5297 Oops, the penultimate sentence should have read Frequency 1.960MHz Andy G4JNT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: "LF Group" ; "John, G3WKL" ; "Keith and Vicki" ; Cc: "PLX" ; "GUO" Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 9:33 AM Subject: [uk_beacons] 1.96MHz Beacon on again > A soak-test has just started on the final version of the MF beacon for a > project later in the year. As before this transmission has a similar > sequence to GB3RAL/WES/ORK with the sounder period replaced by a PSK31 > message. Transmissions commence every 15 minutes, starting on the one > minute boundary, ie. 01/16/31/46 minutes past the hour. > > Output power is 100 Watts (10dB up on before) to the same antenna, a 7m high > Tee. Frequency 1.906MHz > > Hopefully the test will run 86400/30.4 until Monday morning. > > > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 2006-07-04 > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/uk_beacons/ > > <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: > uk_beacons-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > <*> Your use of Yahoo! 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Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 2006-07-07 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208088140275235425 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 215f6390cb675cfa07fbb67ab3bc6146e1c749cc Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs134982qbh; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:03:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.54.13 with SMTP id g13mr4117585nfk; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 11:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q27si7270536nfc.2006.07.05.11.03.50; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 11:03:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyBgu-00026k-EX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:01:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyBgu-00026b-0Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:01:36 +0100 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FyBgp-0004oc-TW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:01:35 +0100 Received: from tnt-1-62.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.206.62] helo=captbrian) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1FyBgl-000HQS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:01:28 +0100 Message-ID: <007501c6a05c$f69da600$3ece28c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <001101c69f68$fa306a90$6501a8c0@eagles> <001801c69f70$bef1a9a0$0300a8c0@lark> <000901c69f77$db074850$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 18:58:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5325 First thought It occurs to me you could use a chap ole' length of wire as a temporary antenna and cut bits off it until you achieved resonance with the minimum series setting of the variometer. That would give you a feel for how far away from resonance you are and thus how many turns You may need to unwind. Second thought. You say both fixed and moving coils are divided in the centre. Third thought. Can you not tap into the joining wire at the centre and thus use half the coil? That would give you choice of 4 combinations V/2 + F, F/2 + V, V/2 + F/2, F+V Bryan G3GVB ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. Allen" To: Sent: 04 July 2006 15:40 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Antenna Tuning > Alan, Steve and All, > > Thanks for the feedback. > > The antenna is basically an inverted-L antenna. Using approximate > dimensions, the vertical portion is a 110 foot tower, but the attachment > point for the horizontal is down at about 100 feet. The horizontal is > composed of two, 390 foot long wires that form a V with the included angle > of about 50 degrees. The ends of the L wires are supported at about 70 feet > and 63 feet and the wires are single span and have bout 10 or 12 feet of sag > for stress. The antenna is over a set of about 30, #11 radials of various > lengths from 30 to 1200 feet in length. The soil is very dry sand in a flat > in the bottom bowl formed by mountains. The antenna is fed through about > 250 feet of 50 Ohm hard line from the shack. > > At the base of the antenna, the vertical portion terminates at the input of > a Variometer the other end of which ties to the radial ground system. The > variometer is currently link coupled to the coaxial cable, but the problem > was there when the grounded side of the variometer was tapped up like an > autotransformer, and also when the antenna was fed through a very large > roller inductor / autotransformer. In fact there have been a number of > different feed methods tried and all failed. > > If I am not mistaken, the antenna calculated at about 1500 pF. > > Nothing I have tried to date has resulted in successful tuning. The most > power I have been able to sustain is about 30 Watts. Higher power has > always resulted in smoke. > > The main limiting factor in all this work is the operator... I have > symptoms of early Alzheimer's Disease, and get confused about what I am > doing or where I am in a process. A written step by step which I could > check off as I go would be a great asset. > > It is important to the Canadian and possible future US amateur plans for a > LF portion on 137 that I be successful here. We have great resistance from > the power companies with their Power Line Carrier systems here. I am > fortunate that I live in one of the two areas of Canada where 137 kHz is > used for PLC, and the central purpose of my experiments is to get the > station up to full power and show compatibility of PLC and amateur radio. > > I have had really wonderful support from Steve and Scott, and have both of > the UK LF books as guides but still cannot seem to get the antenna tuned. I > am familiar with the use of an oscilloscope and maintained the PLC system > which I am demonstrating non-interference with. > > As soon as I can get the antenna tuned properly, I can run the power level > up and begin beaconing essentially 24/7 for the remaining months of our > experiments. > > Has anyone produced a very detailed first time tuning guide for beginners > like me? I am about 1000 miles away from the closest assistance > (VE7SL/VE7TIL) > > Thanks again, > > JA > VY1JA > > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 27/06/06 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208256590552564434 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c274b0fe7120299021df74cd521f5abdc0d84619 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs194826qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 07:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.56.2 with SMTP id i2mr1482711nfk; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 07:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id b1si4995141nfe.2006.07.07.07.41.17; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 07:41:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyrSl-0000eK-Jh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:37:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyrSl-0000eB-4Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:37:47 +0100 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FyrSg-0004Ji-45 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 15:37:46 +0100 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-192.fen-net.de [212.204.117.72]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k67EXUdu010108 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:33:31 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001201c6a1d3$d5ddeba0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 16:44:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.88.2, clamav-milter version 0.88.2 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id k67EXUdu010108 X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.152 Subject: LF: Re: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5331 Dear Allan, I did not follow your antenna problem step by step, but possibly this may be the reason of mistuning: The vertical part of your antenna - the coaxial cable - is too close to y= our grounded tower. So the HF possibly flows through this capacity directly i= nto ground. How long is this vertical part? And how long are the horizontal wires? Are you shure that there is no connection between the horizontal wires and the grounded tower? Please disconnect the grounding. What will happen? Years ago I had a problem similar to yours with my FRITZEL-tower, the vertical part - also coaxial cable - was too close to the mast. I had goo= d antenna current, but the stations did not hear me. After spacing the cabl= e for 4meters I made the first QSO=B4s, with lower current. 73 Walter DJ2LF -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht----- Von: J. Allen An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Freitag, 7. Juli 2006 05:25 Betreff: LF: Antenna Tuning >The tower is grounded at its base at this time, but is up on insulators = and >can be ungrounded easily by disconnecting a 1/0 grounding conductor. > >The vertical portion of the antenna is a piece of coaxial cable spaced about >4 feet away from the tower. > >Still no luck finding the first resonant point. All points have been checked >from 20 kHz through 250 kHz. It acts like I have a big capacitor connec= ted >to the end of the coax. At the base of the antenna, I have installed a >relay and can switch between the dummy load and the antenna base loading >network. Whatever is wrong is wrong on the antenna side of that relay. = If >the dummy load is put on the other connector it acts as a dummy should, = so >the problem is not in the relay or its connection. If I substitute a lumped >constant for the antenna, the traces are as expected with the scope. > >I just do not seem to be able to find a resonant point using a frequency >divider and tiny amp. The scope traces are either sine wave traces but with >the voltage and current out of phase, or else really convoluted forms wh= ich >are in phase. > >I am still at step one. How to I get the two waveforms to coincide and= at >the same time have them look like sinewaves? > >Any ideas where to go with this now? > >"J" > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208834518990013701 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 232e5546feca20da80838262bb8efe9101f2bd8f Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs31249qbh; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.5.12 with SMTP id h12mr1403525nfi; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c1si1780252nfe.2006.07.13.16.47.13; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G1Arm-0001OB-7T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:45:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G1Arl-0001O2-C0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:45:09 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G1Arh-0001lp-Es for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:45:09 +0100 Received: from p1i5f0 (gi98.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.103]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 867CBB6C82 for ; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001401c6a6d6$54a74ba0$6711f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: References: <001901c6a6cc$bf0801b0$6501a8c0@eagles> <003701c6a6cf$ad7e1440$0300a8c0@lark> <005901c6a6d2$dcdd2020$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Thu, 13 Jul 2006 16:44:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.776,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: DFCW TS450 FSK shift adjustment HELP? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5341 J - looks like you can download the TS-450 schematic here: http://members.fortunecity.com/xe1bef/kenwood-manuals.htm Steve / VE7SL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208039335342237154 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 868faeccf91402926598d694e044febcb6cf5626 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs116701qbh; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.19.9 with SMTP id w9mr4005297nfi; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 22:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y23si6641733nfb.2006.07.04.22.08.07; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 22:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FxzYR-00008o-6O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 06:04:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FxzYQ-00008f-Lt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 06:04:02 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FxzYM-0003bX-N0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 06:04:02 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 3DF1033B9 for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 23:08:02 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <004101c69ff0$651b6760$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: References: <001101c69f68$fa306a90$6501a8c0@eagles> <001801c69f70$bef1a9a0$0300a8c0@lark> <000901c69f77$db074850$6501a8c0@eagles> <44AB339F.20602@telus.net> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 05:03:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.337,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Antenna Tuning plan Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5359 Scott, and all Thanks for the plan. I hope to guesstimate, and later measure, the inductance range of the Variometer I built so that I have an idea where the initial settings should be. If I understand correctly, that initial low frequency you were speaking of will be below the 137 kHz band and just how far below will depend on the real antenna and Variometer, but I am to start looking way below and move the frequency very slowly. Good luck with your renewal work. It would be nice to have a QSO with you on LF before the Canadian experimenting ceases. JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207807066844624611 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c3d074b199762c4c0be0419894698e60c89aeed2 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs50583qbh; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 08:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.54.13 with SMTP id g13mr1704056nfk; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 08:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id b1si68794nfe.2006.07.02.08.36.18; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 08:36:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fx3xG-0002cy-IP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:33:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fx3xG-0002cp-3X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:33:50 +0100 Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.82]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fx3xB-0002fz-9C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 16:33:49 +0100 Received: from fwd34.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Fx3x9-0006N1-03; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 17:33:43 +0200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (TDswd4ZrQe3qwehflcphrV+upRGY1Kc1GkVLn-EsCnUsfImIXTKrso@[84.145.247.129]) by fwd34.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1Fx3x8-08Vgqu0; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 17:33:42 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de (Hans-Joachim Brandt) To: "RSGB LF-Group-Server" X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 5.00.0036 Date: 02 Jul 2006 15:33 GMT Message-ID: <1Fx3x8-08Vgqu0@fwd34.sul.t-online.de> X-ID: TDswd4ZrQe3qwehflcphrV+upRGY1Kc1GkVLn-EsCnUsfImIXTKrso X-TOI-MSGID: cbd66a11-6eb2-4922-89f7-c70a4f042858 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.647 Subject: LF: SAQ on July 2, 2006 Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5376 Dear all, have copied the SAQ broadcast at 08.30 UTC 10 dB above noise. At 12.30 UTC QRN has been stronger. I have tried a loop antenna employing a single wire with 16 m circumference= , also a ferrite rod antenna with success. QTH Germany, eastern Bavaria. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208092637425419483 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c9fcc2c812d7dcb3f456c8c12b1c1bc7b61c8d05 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs136701qbh; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 12:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.254.3 with SMTP id b3mr4172039nfi; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c28si4851781nfb.2006.07.05.12.15.19; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 12:15:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyCmB-0002SS-LF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:11:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyCmB-0002SJ-1Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:11:07 +0100 Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.23]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FyCm4-0001Jn-Bf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:11:06 +0100 Received: from 88-106-110-197.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.110.197]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 05 Jul 2006 20:10:52 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAM+oq0SKDw Received: from 88-106-110-197.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.110.197]:1648 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FyClv-00039l-PD; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 19:10:51 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Cc: "LW Wave" Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:11:02 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <000601c6a060$5b4215c0$0300a8c0@lark> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.843,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: RE: Re: LF loading coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5377 Hi Alan & Steve, You made almost identical comments. ***************** Alan wrote Hi Gary, taken simply I would guess the answer is "NO". The loss in the coil is but a small portion of the total loss in the system. ***************** Steve wrote Gary - I think not worth the effort. The loading coil losses are a very small % of total system. ***************** So I will give that idea a "MISS" Thanks to you both for your comments. 73 Gary - G4WGT. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207978270301354181 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 3e958dd9dadbdf1a64100a829b8121fdacd1522d Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs128272qbh; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 07:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.100.17 with SMTP id c17mr7827288ugm; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id j2si1543934ugf.2006.07.05.07.09.52; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 07:09:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fy7zo-0001Y5-Pv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:04:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fy7zo-0001Xw-Aw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:04:52 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fy7zk-00082X-7X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:04:52 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 8CA139673 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:08:24 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <002901c6a03b$e1a66190$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: References: <20060705071614.44202.qmail@web25407.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 14:04:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.225,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5386 Thanks, Jim and Group. Jim's idea to try wiring the Variometer in parallel and see if I have any indication of better things is the first on my list. I am off to the salt mines. Be back in 10 hours. J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207978270301354181 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 923ef790cbeb24aee8a878f142d79f519ed123b1 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs118710qbh; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 00:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.122.11 with SMTP id u11mr1843731huc; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 00:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 15si1918455hui.2006.07.05.00.19.54; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 00:19:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fy1cX-0000S6-E2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:16:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fy1cW-0000Rx-RX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:16:24 +0100 Received: from web25407.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.141]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fy1cR-0004YQ-T4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:16:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 44204 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jul 2006 07:16:14 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DU04QbzKKXtMIl+rYiIz2Soby+0dYVu7dW984UehH25psDeUz4RUL6Cf2Shm49Zi81BHQ9lsST4A1K4V7s7rFUWo+XFAlS3z3miDlNIarju5QIzFvqi00Vl5Hjt6a7+vRpqRm+QIM7vkHRmezw+lr34qzaE6UsfKwXgAHoX+Yn0= ; Message-ID: <20060705071614.44202.qmail@web25407.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.78.182.231] by web25407.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 08:16:14 BST Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 08:16:14 +0100 (BST) From: brian hodgson To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <004701c69ff7$2298b710$6501a8c0@eagles> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.670,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1341861078-1152083774=:41040" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5387 --0-1341861078-1152083774=:41040 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi I use IN3OTD's variometer calculator site - www.qsl.net/in3otd/variodes.html. It's easy to use but beware the input figures are all in METRES. Good luck - Brian "J. Allen" wrote: If someone knows how to estimate how much inductance range this variometer is likely to have I would appreciate knowing. --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine --0-1341861078-1152083774=:41040 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

I use IN3OTD's variometer calculator site - www.qsl.net/in3otd/variodes.html.

It's easy to use but beware the input figures are all in METRES.

Good luck - Brian

"J. Allen" <vy1ja@northwestel.net> wrote:

If someone knows how to estimate how much inductance range this variometer
is likely to have I would appreciate knowing.

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Mail "The new Interface is stunning in its simplicity and ease of use." - PC Magazine --0-1341861078-1152083774=:41040-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207978270301354181 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: d1da2d5d3daf1c1c15f7bda3390dce3794914cf8 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs117373qbh; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 22:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.167.12 with SMTP id p12mr3197682hue; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 22:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 38si2032214hua.2006.07.04.22.55.12; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 22:55:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fy0Jc-0000Hg-Ac for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 06:52:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fy0Jb-0000HX-Q3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 06:52:47 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fy0JW-00045G-Hq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 06:52:47 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 58B283C7A8; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 23:56:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <004701c69ff7$2298b710$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "Jay Rusgrove" , References: <001101c69f68$fa306a90$6501a8c0@eagles> <001801c69f70$bef1a9a0$0300a8c0@lark> <000901c69f77$db074850$6501a8c0@eagles> <002b01c69f7e$701bbec0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 05:52:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.270,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5388 Jay, Scott, Steve and All, Thanks for the note. The Variometer is built with two coils in both the stationary and rotory windings. Each of these have a one inch space between the coils to allow for the rotating shaft. The stationary coils are wound on a 10-3/4 inch former at 19 or 20 TPI closewound with about #16 solid electric motor wire. The two coils are each 3-1/8 inch long. The bottom coil has a number of taps. The rotary coil is 7-1/2 inches long and 6 inches in diameter close wound with the same wire. Subtracting 1 inch gives 6-1/2 inches and makes the two coils total 3-1/4 inches length each. This is as close as I could match the inner coils to the outer ones. If someone knows how to estimate how much inductance range this variometer is likely to have I would appreciate knowing. I have built a ScopeMatch which works well with the dual trace scope which Scott, VE7TIL, leant me. I do NOT have the ferrite cores you mention. I have only a few small cores of unknown composition removed from computer power supplies. And a big black core from an old HF antenna tuner? 2, 1.3 inch-light green and blue 2, 1 inch yellow and white I can take apart more dead computer supplies and get more of the above. 1, 2.4 inch black I think it was from a tuner. I tried winding a transformer from an old Horizontal output core but it delayed the current significantly, so I scrapped that idea. I have two of these cores but they are of different sizes. I have a large quantity of motor wire. I went to a winding shop and they had a couple of different spools which had broken and the wire was in a pile of loops. Perhaps 50# of about #16 wire which they sold me for the value of scrap copper. It took two days to re-coil that wire without kinks in it. I have a quantity of PVC conduit bits 5, 6, 10, 12 inches in diameter and up to 5 or 6 feet long. These are my resources. What I am trying to accomplish is an antenna tuner or matching unit which will take the power required to generate 1W ierp. Different opinions have been put forward concerning the power which will required from the transmitter. I am prepared to keep boosting the transmitter power until I get the 2.85 amps of antenna current that was calculated to be required. Thanks again, JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207978270301354181 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 07f90daaea83a348cb79560dc3fc9bcb10825ef3 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs98429qbh; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 05:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.51.8 with SMTP id d8mr3296766nfk; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 05:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r33si5824333nfc.2006.07.04.05.57.30; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 05:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FxkQK-0006y3-HK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 13:54:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FxkQK-0006xu-4k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 13:54:40 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FxkQH-0006WE-0x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 13:54:40 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id DF1D5288B3; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 06:58:36 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001101c69f68$fa306a90$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: , , "Steve McDonald" , "Scott Tilley" Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:54:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.166,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Antenna Tuning Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5389 Steve, Scott, and All, Last night, I was following a thread of another person and their problems with SWR detection in the presence of a nearby strong LF transmitter. It did not dawn on me until this morning that the problems with the LF antenna tuning here relate to what looks like an even order harmonic on a system based on the square wave which generates high odd order harmonics, not even. The antenna tuning problems are much harder to get any change in the voltage portion of the SWR, and are more pronounced at low power used for antenna tuning than at higher power. I believe that the very strong signal from the LF beacon less than a mile from here which operates on about 240 kHz. is effecting the voltage portion of the ScopeMatch readings and that this may be why the problem has been elusive to the point of discouragement. Here are three ideas which I put out for feedback and suggestions. 1. During my testing, vary the frequency slightly and see if it shifts the voltage wave shape because of the way the two signals combine. If it does, my antenna is acting as a voltage pickup. 2. Put the LPF which I built out at the antenna terminals so that it blocks the voltage signal from getting to the scopematch pickup. 3. Add a second FET to Steve's bulletproof antenna tuning transmitter, so that it produces a stronger voltage signal and masks the voltage from the nearby antenna. What do you think about these ideas? Are there any other ideas you can think of which will make testing more successful? Is there a different kind of SWR circuit which works better in the presence of a strong signal? I wonder if any of my friends in EU have had similar problems and have found a way to beat it. Help anyone? JA VY1JA. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208824226583111894 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 92dd56846cc9cb02b4a9784a4bfe12acf0fd1e9f Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs28070qbh; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.217.9 with SMTP id p9mr1309785nfg; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l32si3687849nfa.2006.07.13.14.03.36; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 14:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G18IP-0000Wt-B7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:00:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G18IP-0000Wk-0D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_DOLLARS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5402 Hi All, Another interesting site. http://www.northcountryradio.com/Kitpages/am88.htm Gary - G4WGT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207994692215571596 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 54492dc4c7850a783eff33012a7761060e71c6d0 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs105126qbh; Tue, 4 Jul 2006 10:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.249.6 with SMTP id w6mr3483521nfh; Tue, 04 Jul 2006 10:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l21si6028917nfc.2006.07.04.10.18.31; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5418 Hi Again, Ok the capacity is is the right ball park. I estimate 1200 to 1350pF, because I am not sure what the effective capacity per metre is at that height ...I think it tapers off to about 5pF per metre as you go up. That means you need around 0.9mH to 1mH to resonate it. If your variometer, or the total loading inductance, is in that area then you are not tryng to resonate it at a harmonic as I worried about. It should be fairly obvious I guess now as you would need to only have about 240uH in the variometer to be resonating at 270kHz. If you dont have an "inductance meter" coving that range a quick count of the turns and a measuremnt of the diameter pumped into Reg Edwards SOLNOID3 program will give an esimate of the the inductance which should be a good guide. So 1). Measure the variometer and look for about a mH The next area where there could be a problem is the hardline resonating with the tapped portion / link coil. I am not sure about this but I think this could be a problem if the variometer is not big enough (bigger than would resonate at the harmonic ) but if the antenna is off resonance it will present a odd impedance to the end of the coax. Now 75m of 50 ohm coax is going to look like 7500pF. That would only require about 45uH of inductive reactance to resonate at 270kHz.. So too many tap turns and you might get misleading results. I think it is only possible to calculate the tap point or link turns if you know the resistance you are trying to match......and most of this is ground loss so a bit of an unknown. I dont know what best to suggest now other than to test the antenna at the load coil so you are not working over a long length of coax. I would use a small simple bridge to do this. With a resistive bridge the null will be deepest when the antenna is resonant, then look to find a 50 ohm impedance tapping point. One problem with LF bridges on antennas is that the antennas do pick up a lot of signal from BC stations and beacons which are way of frequency so you really need a tuned detector rather than a simple wideband RF milli-voltmeter as most simple bridges use. When a bridge is working properly the nulls are excrucatingly narrow, it is very easy to miss them and often very difficult to set the pot in the right position. If the nulls are wide and poorly defined then the antenna is either not resonant or you have a big received signal. Sorry to hear about your sympoms, I have lived with that in my family and I know the effects. Keep the "little grey cells" working as hard as you can and try and stave off the development. It seems to be like physical exercise that strengthens the muscles and helps stop us "oldies" falling over and breaking things. I hope that is useful. It is difficult to help at this sort of distance with only text as a guide. Possibly other can add useful comments or ideas....most of us have fought with LF antennas in some way, before we finally got then "tamed". Best Wishes Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209276885889126028 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 49c0bb506e4082cb9993675bfb910f4deea2d014 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs191564qbh; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.210.20 with SMTP id i20mr2044287nfg; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m15si72366nfc.2006.07.19.14.04.15; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 14:04:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G3J8P-0002vZ-4b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:59:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G3J8O-0002vQ-Op for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:59:08 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G3J8L-0001PT-3H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:59:08 +0100 Received: (qmail 52748 invoked from network); 19 Jul 2006 20:58:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@86.135.54.45 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Jul 2006 20:58:59 -0000 Message-ID: <05f901c6ab76$28282cd0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <44BD2725.5040901@freenet.de> <038101c6aa9c$06a2a3e0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> <44BD4ACF.60505@usa.net> <44BE9271.2050205@xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:58:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.400 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Two soundcards or one? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5514 >From G3PLX: Ko said: >Hi Peter and Alberto >You can do that but only 65536 times. >Why is Windows XP so restricted ;-) That's not a problem for me. The maximum number of programs I would ever want to run off one soundcard is less that that. In fact the maximum number of programs I would EVER want to run is less that that! 73 Peter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209276885889126028 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 55bdc791172278fdb9f3a07da029ff7da40936cb Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs190589qbh; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.1.15 with SMTP id d15mr2014274nfi; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h1si1143198nfe.2006.07.19.13.17.49; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 13:17:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G3IQt-0002eY-H6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:14:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G3IQt-0002eP-2a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:14:11 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G3IQq-0001AM-9k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 21:14:11 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a82-92-108-254.adsl.xs4all.nl [82.92.108.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr15.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k6JKDV2M034607 for ; Wed, 19 Jul 2006 22:13:37 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nl9222@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <44BE9271.2050205@xs4all.nl> Date: Wed, 19 Jul 2006 20:13:37 +0000 From: Ko Versteeg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <44BD2725.5040901@freenet.de> <038101c6aa9c$06a2a3e0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> <44BD4ACF.60505@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <44BD4ACF.60505@usa.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0629-1, 07/19/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.557,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Two soundcards or one? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5515 Hi Peter and Alberto You can do that but only 65536 times. Why is Windows XP so restricted ;-) 73 Ko, NL9222 ---------------------------------- Alberto di Bene wrote: > Windows XP is even more flexible than that. Given that it virtualize the > sound card, you can open the *same* sound card for input to more than > one program, each with its own different sampling rate, and the same for > output. All the resampling needed is done under the hood by Windows > itself, sometimes with not so stellar results in terms of accuracy, but > it works. > > Don't try the same with Windows 98SE (RIP, M$oft has announced its death > a few days ago), it won't work... > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > ---------------------------------- > > Peter Martinez wrote: > >>> From G3PLX: >> >> >> I don't know about earlier versions of Windows, but it's certainly >> possible in XP to open a soundcard for input in one program, and open >> the SAME soundcard for output in another program. I do it all the time. >> >> So it should be possible to send DFCW in one program and receive >> something else into another program, both at the same time, and >> without needing two soundcards. >> >> 73 >> Peter >> >> >> >> . >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209276885889126028 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 4fc5f9b95c6208eaea1d0047ba52c328de20f761 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs160975qbh; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.42.1 with SMTP id p1mr1058827nfp; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c28si736254nfb.2006.07.18.13.58.26; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 13:58:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2wc5-0002Zw-2C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:56:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2wc4-0002Zn-4y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:56:16 +0100 Received: from smtpout09-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.17]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2wby-0001s4-Hj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 18 Jul 2006 21:56:15 +0100 Received: (qmail 17638 invoked from network); 18 Jul 2006 20:55:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (151.46.136.167) by smtpout09-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.17) with ESMTP; 18 Jul 2006 20:55:48 -0000 Message-ID: <44BD4ACF.60505@usa.net> Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 22:55:43 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <44BD2725.5040901@freenet.de> <038101c6aa9c$06a2a3e0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <038101c6aa9c$06a2a3e0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.844 Subject: LF: Re: Two soundcards or one? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5516 Windows XP is even more flexible than that. Given that it virtualize the sound card, you can open the *same* sound card for input to more than one program, each with its own different sampling rate, and the same for output. All the resampling needed is done under the hood by Windows itself, sometimes with not so stellar results in terms of accuracy, but it works. Don't try the same with Windows 98SE (RIP, M$oft has announced its death a few days ago), it won't work... 73 Alberto I2PHD ---------------------------------- Peter Martinez wrote: >>>From G3PLX: > > I don't know about earlier versions of Windows, but it's certainly possible > in XP to open a soundcard for input in one program, and open the SAME > soundcard for output in another program. I do it all the time. > > So it should be possible to send DFCW in one program and receive something > else into another program, both at the same time, and without needing two > soundcards. > > 73 > Peter > > > > . > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208640339448806388 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: fb094ee3d0c8848b890b7c0e5b7235d627eeca42 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs306394qbh; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.1.4 with SMTP id 4mr863373nfa; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c1si3839498nfe.2006.07.11.13.20.48; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 13:20:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G0OfG-0004p9-6v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:17:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G0OfF-0004p0-F1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:17:01 +0100 Received: from post-24.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.194]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G0OfB-0006vs-Ib for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 21:17:01 +0100 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:19530 helo=pcroelof) by post-24.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G0Odv-000L1Y-6F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 11 Jul 2006 20:15:39 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c6a526$c0cd7b30$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: References: <001501c6a45c$5d516640$6abe3b3e@fujitsu> <7.0.1.0.2.20060711205813.03990c70@spin-it.com> Date: Tue, 11 Jul 2006 22:15:28 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.402 Subject: LF: Re: W&G SPM30 schematic scans Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="Windows-1252"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5521 Hello Marco, Many thanks for making the SPM-30 schematics available and also thanks to Jim Moritz for the scanning. I have two units here and the SPM-30 have proved to be my mainstay receiver for chasing NDB's and monotoring 136 kHz alike. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208823753788361414 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 955021cce8912d2c8138aa1165fed291b4737f38 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs106111qbh; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:25:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.1.3 with SMTP id 3mr1645496nfa; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m16si1364703nfc.2006.07.16.23.25.08; Sun, 16 Jul 2006 23:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2MTj-0006FN-4G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 07:21:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2MTh-0006FE-W3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5531 See also http://chem.ch.huji.ac.il/~eugeniik/history/lilienfeld.htm on some= 1920s/30s patents on FETs. 73 John F5VLF/G3PAI *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 13/07/2006 at 21:50 Gary - G4WGT wrote: >Hi All, > >I came across this site whilst searching for something, some of you may >find >it interesting if you have not already seen it. > >http://earlyradiohistory.us/ > >73 > >Gary - G4WGT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208823753788361414 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: e94e3bab3d9790d7274e6e85e7013aa4ff57abbc Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs56880qbh; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.42.5 with SMTP id u5mr2232917nfj; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 12:16:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a24si3022991nfc.2006.07.14.12.16.13; 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Fri, 14 Jul 2006 19:12:06 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 20:12:21 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <44B7B76C.8060501@freenet.de> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.270,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: RE: LF: Early Radio History Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5532 Hi Wolf, As you say, a fascinating site. I have not looked at everything yet & the "mobile" set up you pointed me to is really interesting. Good weekend to you also. Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Wolf DL4YHF Sent: 14 July 2006 16:26 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Early Radio History Thanks Gary - this is a fascinating site. Almost spent two hours there.. just read the article about the "1919-style" amateur radio *mobile* operation on 150 meters, which looks a bit like the topload some of us use today ( http://earlyradiohistory.us/1919auto.htm ) . Have a nice weekend, Wolf DL4YHF . Gary - G4WGT schrieb: > Hi All, > > I came across this site whilst searching for something, some of you may find > it interesting if you have not already seen it. > > http://earlyradiohistory.us/ > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208823753788361414 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 45b094dff6d58f696fe40d5c73edce0716cba1ea Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs51293qbh; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.220.15 with SMTP id s15mr2087137nfg; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x27si730905nfb.2006.07.14.08.30.04; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 08:30:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G1PXw-00041e-9l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:25:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G1PXv-00041V-Oi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:25:39 +0100 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G1PXq-000237-Qr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 16:25:39 +0100 Received: from [194.97.50.138] (helo=mx0.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1G1PXq-0005Zb-6A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:25:34 +0200 Received: from p548696e6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.150.230] helo=[192.168.0.22]) by mx0.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.62 #2) id 1G1PXq-0003wE-1W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:25:34 +0200 Message-ID: <44B7B76C.8060501@freenet.de> Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 17:25:32 +0200 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Warning: 84.134.150.230 is listed at dynablock.njabl.org X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.856 Subject: Re: LF: Early Radio History Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5533 Thanks Gary - this is a fascinating site. Almost spent two hours there.. just read the article about the "1919-style" amateur radio *mobile* operation on 150 meters, which looks a bit like the topload some of us use today ( http://earlyradiohistory.us/1919auto.htm ) . Have a nice weekend, Wolf DL4YHF . Gary - G4WGT schrieb: > Hi All, > > I came across this site whilst searching for something, some of you may find > it interesting if you have not already seen it. > > http://earlyradiohistory.us/ > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208823753788361414 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 339edfc25bfdd1b8043ac2d3e90e62677386dd35 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs27817qbh; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.254.1 with SMTP id b1mr1314813nfi; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a23si2271980nfc.2006.07.13.13.56.06; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 13:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G188m-0000Qv-2l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; 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Tue, 4 Jul 2006 12:41:14 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060704104114868.D3E627000089@mwinf1809.orange.fr Message-ID: <200607041240420626.4D5B1703@smtp.wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 12:40:42 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.090,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376 Subject: Re: LF: Web site close down Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5537 Good luck, Laurence. Many thanks for all your endeavours. John F5VLF *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 03/07/2006 at 14:37 Laurence KL1X wrote: >The WD2XDW/KL1X website at http://www.cableone.net/flow has or about to >close down as we exit the USA. The house is packed and parts of it are in >US storage, some for Shanghai and a load in preparation for a move to >Singapore 9V1 in about May 2007. Ill be cancelling the Part 5 revision >which has been in progress since err....January... > >We have now received permission (an encapsulated "license" with a >photo/class of license (1) equiv)) to operate from China radio club >stations - there is not a process to operate on our own at present. > >Our confirmed apartment location is about 10 miles ESE of the center of >the city - location to fly into with Google Earth and see that 3rd floor >apartment and environs is 31 deg 14 min 40.54 secs N, 121 deg 34 mins >51.25 secs East. We found the other 41st floor apartment was giving me a >nose bleed. The new location is poor to awful for LF as we have half the >national chinese power grid with multiple pylons within 200m of the >location but heck Ill try anything once - saving grace is a coffee house, >large open football/soccer and cricket part and western style store within >4 mins. > > >Cheers Laurence KL1X in Texas... >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself: design your homepage the way you want it with Live.com. >http://www.live.com/getstarted From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207924356986630097 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c1f4092640ec93264b0364cfae7d378afc5ceb79 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs85431qbh; Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.235.13 with SMTP id i13mr2784449nfh; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 15:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m15si5087994nfc.2006.07.03.15.40.34; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 15:40:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FxX33-0005kj-IA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 23:37:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FxX33-0005ka-40 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 23:37:45 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc1-s36.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.108]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FxX2y-0000MA-Ic for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 03 Jul 2006 23:37:45 +0100 Received: from BAY116-W1 ([64.4.38.101]) by bay0-omc1-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:37:13 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [66.136.50.194] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Laurence KL1X" To: "lowfer2" , "rsgb_lf_group" Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 14:37:13 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Jul 2006 22:37:13.0415 (UTC) FILETIME=[3A9A8570:01C69EF1] X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-3.257,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD=2.132,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_4f1816cc-5433-477f-829d-63bf085f7081_" Subject: LF: Web site close down X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5538 --_4f1816cc-5433-477f-829d-63bf085f7081_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The WD2XDW/KL1X website at http://www.cableone.net/flow has or about to clo= se down as we exit the USA. The house is packed and parts of it are in US s= torage, some for Shanghai and a load in preparation for a move to Singapore= 9V1 in about May 2007. Ill be cancelling the Part 5 revision which has bee= n in progress since err....January... =20 We have now received permission (an encapsulated "license" with a photo/cla= ss of license (1) equiv)) to operate from China radio club stations - there= is not a process to operate on our own at present. =20 Our confirmed apartment location is about 10 miles ESE of the center of the= city - location to fly into with Google Earth and see that 3rd floor apar= tment and environs is 31 deg 14 min 40.54 secs N, 121 deg 34 mins 51.25 sec= s East. We found the other 41st floor apartment was giving me a nose bleed.= The new location is poor to awful for LF as we have half the national chin= ese power grid with multiple pylons within 200m of the location but heck Il= l try anything once - saving grace is a coffee house, large open football/s= occer and cricket part and western style store within 4 mins. =20 =20 Cheers Laurence KL1X in Texas... _________________________________________________________________ Express yourself: design your homepage the way you want it with Live.com.=20 http://www.live.com/getstarted= --_4f1816cc-5433-477f-829d-63bf085f7081_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A=
The WD2XDW/KL1X website at http://www.cableone.net/flow has or about to close down as we exit= the USA. The house is packed and parts of it are in US storage, some for S= hanghai and a load in preparation for a move to Singapore 9V1 in about May = 2007. Ill be cancelling the Part 5 revision which has been in progress sinc= e err....January...

We have now received permission (an encapsulated "license" with a photo/cla= ss of license (1) equiv)) to operate from China radio club stations - = there is not a process to operate on our own at present.

Our confirmed apartment location is about 10 miles ESE of the center of the= city - location to fly into with Google Earth and see that 3rd = floor apartment and environs is 31 deg 14 min 40.54 secs N= , 121 deg 34 mins 51.25 secs East. We found the other 41st floor apart= ment was giving me a nose bleed. The new location is poor to awful for LF a= s we have half the national chinese power grid with multiple pylons wi= thin 200m of the location but heck Ill try anything once - saving grace is = a coffee house, large open football/soccer and cricket part and western sty= le store within 4 mins.

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Express yourself instantly = with Windows Live Mes= senger=0A= = --_4f1816cc-5433-477f-829d-63bf085f7081_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209179669778689370 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 25158285940c50fe7b4f08cf1ad455273facfe15 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs127536qbh; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:13:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.210.20 with SMTP id i20mr2255069nfg; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p45si2810169nfa.2006.07.17.12.13.14; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G2YUd-0002KJ-Vx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:10:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G2YUd-0002KA-Id for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:10:59 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G2YUZ-0008Ge-HW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 20:10:59 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id CE83D7C2F5 for ; Mon, 17 Jul 2006 13:15:26 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <008501c6a9d4$a6cbc1d0$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "LF $RSGB$" Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 19:10:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.079,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Propagation and update Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5553 Hartmut and Friends, You are correct. I did not expect anyone in EU to see my signal in July. I hope very much that someone will eventually see the signal in EU during the remainder of the experiments. For some, having a beacon going in Yukon will be something to watch for over the coming winter. The beacon is to stay on the frequency it is on now. Note: Temporarily switched beacon to QRSS10 per request. Still on ~137778.45. It is to go back on QRSS60 in a day or two. The frequency of the TS450 drifts from about .42 to .46, and after correcting for division by 100, the 450 drifts about 5 cycles, which is not that bad for a bottom of the line rig. J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208114075584394036 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: e991c8a5e4d68bc33265d738266346ce39fceedc Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs174887qbh; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 15:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.243.16 with SMTP id q16mr807496nfh; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 15:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l27si8640322nfa.2006.07.06.15.06.16; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 15:06:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FybwN-00077G-3l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:03:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FybwM-000777-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:03:18 +0100 Received: from mxout03.versatel.de ([212.7.152.120]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FybwI-0002ad-LX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 23:03:18 +0100 Received: from mx04.versatel.de (mx01.versatel.de [212.7.146.1]) by mxout03.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k66M38HT015165 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 00:03:08 +0200 Received: from localhost ([62.214.100.62]) by mx04.versatel.de (8.12.11.20060614/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k66M38l6017889 for ; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 00:03:08 +0200 Received: from i577a45cf.versanet.de (i577a45cf.versanet.de [87.122.69.207]) by webmail.versatel.de (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 00:03:08 +0200 Message-ID: <20060707000308.zb6npirwqcggc8oo@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 00:03:08 +0200 From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <014b01c6a08e$1eff8420$0b01a8c0@server> In-Reply-To: <014b01c6a08e$1eff8420$0b01a8c0@server> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.920,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Re:LF Antenna Tuning - Variometers Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5582 Zitat von "J. B. Weazle McCreath" : > Hi LFers, > > I have a small program that I downloaded several years ago that will > do the calculations for finding the mutual inductance and coupling of > two coils. The program is called MandK and I have the original zip > file that I downloaded as shareware from a Tesla Coil site. I would > be happy to send anyone a copy, or perhaps one of the fellows with > a web site would host it there for downloading by list members. > > 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL > Solar and wind powered > EN93dr > > > > Hi John Bruce, please send the zip-file also to < uwe-jannsen@versanet.de > thanks in advance Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208114075584394036 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: eb2bce9250bddec036b0b68264a30fe541857240 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs142711qbh; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.19.14 with SMTP id w14mr79504nfi; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p20si7538873nfc.2006.07.05.17.56.04; Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:56:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyI7r-0003px-0h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:53:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyI7q-0003po-Ef for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:53:50 +0100 Received: from fish4.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.140.6]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FyI7m-0003Am-KK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:53:50 +0100 Received: from server (unknown [10.105.128.159]) by fish4.hurontel.on.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 25C38E4FE8 for ; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:53:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <014b01c6a08e$1eff8420$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 00:51:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at hurontel.on.ca X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.702 Subject: LF: Re:LF Antenna Tuning - Variometers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5583 Hi LFers, I have a small program that I downloaded several years ago that will do the calculations for finding the mutual inductance and coupling of two coils. The program is called MandK and I have the original zip file that I downloaded as shareware from a Tesla Coil site. I would be happy to send anyone a copy, or perhaps one of the fellows with a web site would host it there for downloading by list members. 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208305426903508655 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 224ac14b32a8fd99323a2af1d314671b02220e38 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs209867qbh; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 20:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.47.3 with SMTP id u3mr1964372nfu; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 20:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l32si824446nfa.2006.07.07.20.37.31; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 20:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fz3ad-0003Y1-Oe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 04:34:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fz3ad-0003Xs-8D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 04:34:43 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fz3aa-0003NS-F8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 08 Jul 2006 04:34:43 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 10FF414DE3; Fri, 7 Jul 2006 21:39:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <00e901c6a23f$6fb3ede0$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "LF $RSGB$" , , "Scott Tilley" Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 03:34:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.088,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: VY1JA beaconing 137,574 +/- Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5606 All, VY1JA is in beacon mode with approximately 100 Watts transmitter output QRSS60 137,574+/- (Not in the NA watering hole). The FET is running cool with 26.8 volts and 5.0 Amps input. The beaconing will run continuously tonight except for time for a QSO with Scott, VE7TIL. Reports would be greatly appreciated. J. VY1JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207779806608367068 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 2ad5548ef3684e592286101b6d56756f07f7c45c Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs46018qbh; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 02:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.59.5 with SMTP id m5mr1507017nfk; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 02:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y24si3253380nfb.2006.07.02.02.38.04; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 02:38:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FwyLK-0001e6-6e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 10:34:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FwyLG-0001dx-Fl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5628 Hello , Vy good copy also in my qth ( 30 dB over noise ) rig : aperiodic loop 1 by 1 meter , sound card "Audgy" and soft Winrad v1= .01 73 qro Jean-Pierre F1AFJ in JN06HT Costas Krallis SV1XV a =E9crit : > Hi, > > SAQ - Grimeton Radio active at 0810 UTC on 17.2 kHz > in CW mode: > > VVV VVV VVV DE SAQ SAQ SAQ=20 > > 73=20 > Costas, SV1XV > > > > > =20 --=20 Visitez mon site radioamateur =E0 : http://jpmere.online.fr/ Analys=E9 avec Norton Antivirus garanti sans virus connu From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207779806608367068 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 90079011af485de2a5ec75738578415e69ebfa90 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs45834qbh; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 02:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.41.10 with SMTP id t10mr1492370nfj; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 02:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i1si3206550nfe.2006.07.02.02.07.44; 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b=Gtza0Vk4EertOxoew9UFpy/b1rIqRlvY4f4SzsW0nI+ldtJVGIw3CYGSNyj4xoXf9foBIJqb3pzUPobzJjaweAXsMe7phrCkr0AYKgmBJBKV2RBX9ENryRRYPxbGFzCmL5mfvgMEKcQBC4oF/AXapeqereXeXPD2S+oMoCoMzcI= ; Message-ID: <20060702090604.10213.qmail@web25411.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.78.182.231] by web25411.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 10:06:04 BST Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 10:06:04 +0100 (BST) From: brian hodgson To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20060702111455.030294b0@popper.forthnet.gr> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.891,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ 17.2 kHz Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-115805311-1151831164=:9109" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, LINES_OF_YELLING,LINES_OF_YELLING_2 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5629 --0-115805311-1151831164=:9109 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All - SAQ also copied here in Watford (IO91TP) - about 2 microvolts into 50 ohms from PA0DRT mini-whip and 20 microvolts from my 3-turn loop (total 90 metres wire in the trees. Using latest "toy" - W&G SPM30 73 Brian G3YKB Costas Krallis SV1XV wrote: Hi, SAQ - Grimeton Radio active at 0810 UTC on 17.2 kHz in CW mode: VVV VVV VVV DE SAQ SAQ SAQ --------------------------------- Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Yahoo! Mail. --0-115805311-1151831164=:9109 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi All -

SAQ also copied here in Watford (IO91TP) - about 2 microvolts into 50 ohms from PA0DRT mini-whip and 20 microvolts from my 3-turn loop (total 90 metres wire in the trees. Using latest "toy" - W&G SPM30

73 Brian G3YKB

Costas Krallis SV1XV <kkrallis@ath.forthnet.gr> wrote:

Hi,

SAQ - Grimeton Radio active at 0810 UTC on 17.2 kHz
in CW mode:

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Mail. --0-115805311-1151831164=:9109-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207779806608367068 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 50787096bef83aca0766d0f836a30c1ef3e68d7c Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs45320qbh; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 01:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.1.4 with SMTP id 4mr1464741nfa; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 01:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c10si2552573nfb.2006.07.02.01.23.01; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 01:23:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fwx7o-00017I-K0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 09:16:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fwx7n-000179-V9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 09:16:15 +0100 Received: from mx-out.forthnet.gr ([193.92.150.103] helo=mx-out-04.forthnet.gr) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fwx7j-0007Yz-4Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 02 Jul 2006 09:16:15 +0100 Received: from mx-av-01.forthnet.gr (mx-av.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.27]) by mx-out-04.forthnet.gr (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k628G5ij011409; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:16:05 +0300 Received: from mx-in-03.forthnet.gr (mx-in-03.forthnet.gr [193.92.150.26]) by mx-av-01.forthnet.gr (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k628G5Qs006575; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:16:05 +0300 Received: from z8q8y2.ath.forthnet.gr (ppp9-218.ath.forthnet.gr [213.16.152.218]) by mx-in-03.forthnet.gr (8.13.7/8.13.7) with ESMTP id k628G3sf007690; Sun, 2 Jul 2006 11:16:03 +0300 Authentication-Results: mx-in-03.forthnet.gr from=kkrallis@ath.forthnet.gr; sender-id=neutral; spf=neutral Message-Id: <5.0.2.1.0.20060702111455.030294b0@popper.forthnet.gr> X-Sender: kkrallis.ath.forthnet.gr@popper.forthnet.gr@popper.forthnet.gr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.0.2 X-Priority: 1 (Highest) Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 11:15:38 +0300 To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Costas Krallis SV1XV Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.799,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,X_PRIORITY_HIGH=0.093 Subject: LF: SAQ 17.2 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=X_PRIORITY_HIGH autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5630 Hi, SAQ - Grimeton Radio active at 0810 UTC on 17.2 kHz in CW mode: VVV VVV VVV DE SAQ SAQ SAQ 73 Costas, SV1XV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208837713300360444 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: ad2cd975604bc2834ffe19f9b6f31fde3e479eeb Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs32062qbh; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.21.8 with SMTP id y8mr1435178nfi; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l27si45083nfa.2006.07.13.17.37.59; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 17:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G1BfM-0001mR-UY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:36:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G1BfM-0001mI-JE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:36:24 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G1BfI-0006zK-QF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 14 Jul 2006 01:36:24 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 93FC476D22; Thu, 13 Jul 2006 18:41:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <009d01c6a6dd$829cb890$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "LF $RSGB$" , Date: Fri, 14 Jul 2006 00:36:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.074,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Frequecy shift Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5656 It looks like Ken's idea with the mic connector will work. Closing the up or down pin moves the frequency .01 kHz. What I need to do to use the connector give the rig a single unbounced short pulse signal on pin 3 when the frequency shifts from one state to the other or a single pulse to pin 4 when it returns. The ideal on this would be if there were a way to make QRSS give me these signals, but without that, I will try to do it with small relays. If someone knows of a circuit like this please send it to me, otherwise, I will try to draw up something myself. J. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209860245269882980 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 188961b7a6105b18dfc91e3e28cdc3ee39ca58f4 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs231457qbh; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.48.18 with SMTP id v18mr339657nfv; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l27si111252nfa.2006.07.25.00.37.29; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G5HRj-00073X-To for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:35:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G5HRj-00073O-1l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:35:15 +0100 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G5HRd-0008A6-Sb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:35:14 +0100 Received: from priv-edtnaa06.telusplanet.net ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes87.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.7.05.01.01 201-2174-106-103-20060222) with ESMTP id <20060725073500.RNOT25065.priv-edtnes87.telusplanet.net@priv-edtnaa06.telusplanet.net> for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:35:00 -0600 Received: from [192.168.1.1] (d64-180-173-28.bchsia.telus.net [64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnaa06.telusplanet.net (BorderWare MXtreme Infinity Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id 729FKXRL5N for ; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 01:35:00 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <44C5C9A5.1040509@telus.net> Date: Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:35:01 -0700 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.568,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: Re: LF: Shanghai grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5657 Works here Laurence! Check out J on the TIL Grabber... He's O copy in QRSS3 now... Too bad he's asleep :-( Scott Laurence KL1X wrote: > http://www.kl1x.com is becoming available and should have perculated around the Internet in 24 hours or so > > When active Click on Argo 1 - http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg for grabber > > I may have the second grabber active during active periods. > > Im running test data for the moment so you never know what ill be grabbing - More web content to follow > > 73 > > Laurence BY/KL1X PM01 Pudong Shanghai PRC > GMT +8 Tstorms +90F > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Try Live.com - your fast, personalized homepage with all the things you care about in one place. > http://www.live.com/getstarted > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209860245269882980 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: b8d12f939fc935cf5153809e0ac4bbe2d956b6fc Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.250.6 with SMTP id x6cs231249qbh; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.108.19 with SMTP id g19mr320001nfc; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p43si85146nfa.2006.07.25.00.30.41; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:30:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G5HKi-0006yT-P4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:28:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G5HKi-0006yK-BI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:28:00 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.106]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1G5HKe-00087S-0k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 25 Jul 2006 08:28:00 +0100 Received: from BAY116-W2 ([64.4.38.102]) by bay0-omc1-s34.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 25 Jul 2006 00:27:49 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [218.249.195.2] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Laurence KL1X" To: "lowfer@lwca.org" ; "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Date: Mon, 24 Jul 2006 23:27:49 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jul 2006 07:27:49.0656 (UTC) FILETIME=[D5282180:01C6AFBB] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-2.036,FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD=2.132 Subject: LF: Shanghai grabber Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5658 http://www.kl1x.com is becoming available and should have perculated arou= nd the Internet in 24 hours or so When active Click on Argo 1 - http://www.kl1x.com/dx00000.jpg for g= rabber I may have the second grabber active during active periods. Im running test data for the moment so you never know what ill be grabbing = - More web content to follow 73 Laurence BY/KL1X PM01 Pudong Shanghai PRC GMT +8 Tstorms +90F _________________________________________________________________ Try Live.com - your fast, personalized homepage with all the things you car= e about in one place. http://www.live.com/getstarted= From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208199431812378931 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a93f5072f06b347fa4b37a6ca5d5b6b270dff390 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs176522qbh; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 16:32:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.61.3 with SMTP id o3mr853584nfk; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 16:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o9si2558176nfa.2006.07.06.16.32.46; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 16:32:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FydIO-0007UM-Df for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:30:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FydIN-0007UD-Uc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:30:07 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FydIJ-0008CN-Sw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 07 Jul 2006 00:30:07 +0100 Received: (qmail 48136 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2006 23:28:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.0.192 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jul 2006 23:28:58 -0000 Message-ID: <000301c6a153$f5660820$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 00:01:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.653 Subject: LF: Re: : LF loading coils Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5666 Hi Dave ah I had forgotten the 60m top is 2x 30m wires. Yes you seem to be able to add tope at any point and in any direction given the minimum spacing and you get an improvement. It is possible that 2 foot spacing would yeild a gain at your top height though I am sure 1m would be better. The problem is a three wire "flat-top" can be a little unweildy. Does the flat-top sag to the connection point of the vertical section? I have always wondered about "pushing that up" with a relatively thin insulated pole (fishing rod?) It only has to support the weight of the vertical without bowing. Sag is always a bit of a ploblem with an end supported "T". Good luck with the improvements, I look forward to hearing an even bigger signal during the winter !! Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave G3WCB To: Sent: 06 July 2006 23:06 Subject: LF: : LF loading coils > Thanks Alan and Jim. > > The top wire is doubled already...two wires 1m apart, with the ends joined. > I'm thinking of adding a third wire, if I can get it spaced far enough away > from the other two. I have plans to get another 1m at the feed point, but > I'm really running out of space! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208143644645958543 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 0a71b9ba7cf4af29b66ffaa78b99300af90277c2 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs154366qbh; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 01:46:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.229.20 with SMTP id b20mr239897nfh; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a24si7848064nfc.2006.07.06.01.46.03; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 01:46:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyPPW-00052I-0b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:40:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyPPV-000529-Jv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:40:33 +0100 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.11]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FyPPR-0005qP-KS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:40:33 +0100 Received: from tnt-13-101.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.101] helo=captbrian) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1FyPPO-000DFB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:40:26 +0100 Message-ID: <002e01c6a0d7$c09c0120$651686d4@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <014b01c6a08e$1eff8420$0b01a8c0@server> Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 08:07:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re:LF Antenna Tuning - Variometers Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5816 I would certainly like it. thanks Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: Sent: 06 July 2006 00:51 Subject: LF: Re:LF Antenna Tuning - Variometers > Hi LFers, > > I have a small program that I downloaded several years ago that will > do the calculations for finding the mutual inductance and coupling of > two coils. The program is called MandK and I have the original zip > file that I downloaded as shareware from a Tesla Coil site. I would > be happy to send anyone a copy, or perhaps one of the fellows with > a web site would host it there for downloading by list members. > > 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL > Solar and wind powered > EN93dr > > > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/377 - Release Date: 27/06/06 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209542881035781572 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: b09906214db677b0289a14ae6df06aae4c7909f2 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs254605qbh; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.5.12 with SMTP id h12mr945406nfi; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p45si3333559nfa.2006.07.21.12.40.46; Fri, 21 Jul 2006 12:40:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G40oi-0001ic-AH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; 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charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5829 At 19:23 21.07.2006 +0000, you wrote: >Hi All >Does anyone have pin out data for 4060, 4040, 4047 >Any info welcome, my data book lost. > >Tnx de Mal/G3KEV Hi Mal, CD4040 and CD4060 http://www.fairchildsemi.com/pf/CD/CD4040BC.html CD4047 http://www.fairchildsemi.com/pf/CD/CD4047BC.html 73, Arno From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209542881035781572 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 579bc3d3853c4a68993c7cc3504d038bd5939a99 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs254288qbh; 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Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:23:39 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c6acfb$2c5785e0$6ee4fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2006 19:23:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 1.5 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-3.324,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.492,RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY=1.026,RCVD_IN_SORBS_MISC=1.597 Subject: LF: cmos Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5830 Hi All Does anyone have pin out data for 4060, 4040, 4047 Any info welcome, my data book lost. Tnx de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1208152733305706554 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: b7272b1a97a4bb0bce36ed2449e7717f12a5b270 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs157967qbh; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 04:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.43.11 with SMTP id q11mr361507nfq; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i1si2400560nfe.2006.07.06.04.10.31; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 04:10:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FyRhv-0005bR-IU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:07:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FyRhv-0005bI-6R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:07:43 +0100 Received: from fish4.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.140.6]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FyRhr-0006Rs-99 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 06 Jul 2006 12:07:43 +0100 Received: from server (unknown [10.105.128.77]) by fish4.hurontel.on.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 6F234E4B7D for ; Thu, 6 Jul 2006 07:07:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <016501c6a0e3$ed03afe0$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 11:06:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at hurontel.on.ca X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.686 Subject: LF: Attn: Capt. Brian Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5910 Hi Brian, LFers, Please send me your e-mail address and I'll fire the program off to you. 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1209710349208187697 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: cbfca1e25117e176179fb4ef18ed7d9b6620ab66 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.243.13 with SMTP id q13cs294721qbh; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.210.20 with SMTP id i20mr2547176nfg; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p45si1623718nfa.2006.07.23.08.48.09; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 08:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1G4g8K-00030g-Fv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:44:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1G4g8J-00030X-Qt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:44:43 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1G4g8F-0006Xu-W4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 23 Jul 2006 16:44:43 +0100 Received: from p1i5f0 (gi76.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.81]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AA270B716B for