This is the first year I have seen the = vine. It is=20 tenacious and everywhere.

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Catskill Mountain region of New York=20 usa.

Calystegia=20 sepium (bellbind) is a strong twining climber, with = shallow,=20 fleshy underground stems. Convolvulus arvensis (bindweed) = is weaker=20 in appearance than bellbind, but also spreads rapidly through the soil. = Both=20 weeds can be imported into the garden among plant roots, soil or manure. =

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------=_NextPart_000_0037_01C6989A.E89E93D0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206346479055773660 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: f0f31459efc0b41711b2317f6cb39327df3a9a5a Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs113270qbh; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.4.17 with SMTP id g17mr4161332nfi; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x27si3332544nfb.2006.06.25.09.04.37; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FuX3H-0002jX-5z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:01:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com 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ZBoGluZvoeiSX8zNCrpjB+-jSiq3TZe4xKNAbYSK8DJu8pGG4j0U6j@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 793b90dc-ba11-40af-9228-054ec37f490d X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.080 Subject: Re: LF: RE: PAs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5099 Hi Peter, Murray and Jim thanks for the suggestions and apologize for responding so late (lot of work in and around the yard. the ivy has no chance). I investigated the PA , the feeder and the aerial coils agn. The result: 1. yes, there was an unbalance between the two halves of the push-pull drain circuit, i.e. the primary windings of the output ring core (toroid) were five on one side and six on the other. 2. the centre tap of those primary windings (where the DC is applied) is connected to a filtering capacitor. this capacitor has desoldered itself. I changed the type from MKP to FKP. both are Polypropylene capacitors but the latter handles high current ratings much better. 3. abt 3cm of cover and screen of the 90-metre-coax RG213U have been destroyed by a special sort of mouse (W�hlmaus in english?). inner isolation and core remain OK. the question is, why did the feeding of the aerial work nevertheless? the destroyed screen obviously did`nt cause harm because there are two 4mm diameter underground wires connecting the shack groundings with the centre of the radialsystem. OK., I changed the coax all the same. I`m satisfied with the result. the screen pic on the oscilloscope shows amp and volt in phase. But, but, but �. the FS indicator and the aerial amp indicator show the same values as before. regards Uwe/dj8wx BTW. Murray, did you get my email concerning Clicklock used in connection with a FT1000MP? . -----Original Message----- Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 08:41:01 +0200 Subject: LF: Re: PAs From: "Peter Martinez" To: >From G3PLX: Uwe: I am not an expert on LF power-amplifiers (I worked on 10kW HF power-amplifiers 40 years ago but not recently), but it looks to me that the voltage and current waveforms of your home-brew PA have some harmonics. I took the image of the homebrew waveform and did a mirror-image (flip vertically) then superimposed it on the original. This shows clearly that the voltage waveform has different rising and falling slopes, which means there is some even-order harmonic present. Maybe this is due to some unbalance between the two halves of a push-pull circuit. The current waveform is more confused but that is probably because the harmonic currents are higher. This is some effect of the low-pass filtering and the antenna tuning. There is also some broadening of the scope trace at some parts of the waveform, which shows there is some signal there which is not harmonically-related. It could be HF/VHF parasitic oscillation, but it's not possible to tell from the scope trace for sure. It could be just some power-line-frequency effect. Only a spectrum analyser could show this properly, but you may get a clue if you can hook the scope ahead of the PA low-pass filter. If this broadening of the trace is worse here, it may mean that there is some HF parasitic oscillation. 73 Peter -----Original Message----- Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 11:55:28 +0200 Subject: LF: Re: Re: PAs From: "Murray ZL1BPU" To: Uwe, It certainly looks like 2nd harmonic problems to me too, probably linearity (gain) imbalance. Another thing you will have discovered is that with the harmonic information Peter mentioned, the SWR meter or bridge (if you use one) won't give good nulls, because the harmonic content won't be matched at the antenna tuner. Either you need a rather better low pass filter, or to sort out the non-linearity. My LF TX operates in Class D (can't get more nonlinear than that) but the waveform is nicely sinusoidal at the antenna. Mind you, third harmonic is my problem, not second. 73, Murray ZL1BPU -----Original Message----- Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:31:38 +0200 Subject: LF: RE: PAs From: "james moritz" To: Dear Uwe, LF Group, It certainly would be worth investigating where the apparent second harmonic distortion is coming from - assuming a reasonably balanced push-pull PA design, even-order distortion products should be at very low levels. I would suggest using the 'scope to check the drain voltage waveforms of the IRFP450s (using x10 probes). If the waveforms are significantly different at each drain, this would indicate some kind of component or construction fault. In an ideal class D design, the drain voltage should be a "half-wave rectified sine" waveform, but the actual drain waveforms can be quite frightening in some amateur class D designs! It is surprising that quite a lot of higher harmonics seem to be getting through the low pass filter onto the feeder. One thing that does occur is resonance at various frequencies in the LF/MF range. At the working frequency the antenna and loading coil is normally series resonant. As the frequency rises, the antenna + loading coil impedance becomes inductive, but this can then resonate with the capacitance of the coax feeder to become parallel resonant. At higher frequencies, the feeder itself could resonate - 90m of coax would be lambda/4 somewhere around 550kHz. So the impedance at the input to the feeder can vary very widely at quite low harmonic frequencies, which might lead to reduced attenuation of harmonics by the low-pass filter. It would be interesting to see what happened if you changed the length of the feeder, by adding another length of coax, for example. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 02:20:30 +0200 Subject: LF: PAs From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Hi all, I`m somewhat surprised / disappointed: I tested the TX aerial with the ROPEX (157W) and with the homebrew PA (reduced to 150W). ROPEX: phase of V and A on the feeder cable OK. Homebrew: phase of V and A = chaotic (but it works). see oszilloscope pics. the feeder is a 90m long koax cable RG213U. if connecting a 50 Ohm dummy instead of the aerial both TXs show the same in phase of V and A. the matching -, loading system in this case is simple: length of the fixed coil = 208mm, length of the inner variable coil = 110mm. diameter of the fixed coil from centre to centre of wire = 404mm, of the variable coil = 364mm. windings = 30. (Z=50? at 8 windings for 150W LF power and at 7 windings for 800W). space between centres of neighboring windings (pitch) = 6mm. the aerial is a 16m vertical with elevated coil 12m high and 270m horizontal wires. what is it the homebrew 4 x IRFP450 PA doesn?t like? (LPF between feeder and output). regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206346479055773660 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 9b1f50a20019e3c6a62c96399e97346867b5880c Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs10084wrc; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 05:40:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.40.10 with SMTP id n10mr897289hun; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 05:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 2si652378hue.2006.06.16.05.40.52; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 05:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FrDYO-0005mQ-IC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:36:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FrDYN-0005mH-UW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:35:59 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FrDYJ-00084O-7J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:35:59 +0100 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1FrDUH-0004fp-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:45 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1FrDUB-0000jT-LO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:39 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:31:38 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c69140$d0843ea0$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <20060616022030.coqaz7zeo7y8wgw8@webmail.versatel.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-Information: X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.926 Subject: LF: RE: PAs Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5100 Dear Uwe, LF Group, It certainly would be worth investigating where the apparent second = harmonic distortion is coming from - assuming a reasonably balanced push-pull PA design, even-order distortion products should be at very low levels. I = would suggest using the 'scope to check the drain voltage waveforms of the IRFP450s (using x10 probes). If the waveforms are significantly = different at each drain, this would indicate some kind of component or construction fault. In an ideal class D design, the drain voltage should be a = "half-wave rectified sine" waveform, but the actual drain waveforms can be quite frightening in some amateur class D designs! It is surprising that quite a lot of higher harmonics seem to be getting through the low pass filter onto the feeder. One thing that does occur = is resonance at various frequencies in the LF/MF range. At the working frequency the antenna and loading coil is normally series resonant. As = the frequency rises, the antenna + loading coil impedance becomes inductive, = but this can then resonate with the capacitance of the coax feeder to become parallel resonant. At higher frequencies, the feeder itself could = resonate - 90m of coax would be lambda/4 somewhere around 550kHz. So the impedance = at the input to the feeder can vary very widely at quite low harmonic frequencies, which might lead to reduced attenuation of harmonics by the low-pass filter. It would be interesting to see what happened if you = changed the length of the feeder, by adding another length of coax, for example. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of uwe-jannsen@versanet.de Sent: 16 June 2006 01:21 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: PAs Hi all, I`m somewhat surprised / disappointed: I tested the TX aerial with the ROPEX (157W) and with the homebrew PA (reduced to 150W). ROPEX: phase of V and A on the feeder cable OK. Homebrew: phase of V and A =3D chaotic (but it works). see oszilloscope pics. the feeder is a 90m long koax cable RG213U. if connecting a 50 Ohm dummy instead of the aerial both TXs show the = same in phase of V and A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207443031266617496 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 3a232ee10c6fad7abbc85c44f5f9fa62041cd787 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs232753qbh; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.72.6 with SMTP id z6mr794829nfk; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y24si8450613nfb.2006.06.28.08.10.06; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FvbaV-00032G-W4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:04:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FvbaV-000327-Gw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5101 Jean-Louis is right, Is seems that even Heinrich Hertz's original experiment demonstrating the existance of radio waves in 1887 was probably achieved at VHF frequencies - judging by the dimensions of the TX Antenna and RX loop with the spark-gap in it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Hertz_schematic0.PNG 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 3:35 PM Subject: LF: Off topic on this list :o) > Hi all > > For your information, spark gaps were not only used for LF in the past > ... > > Jagadis Chandra Bose was experimenting on 60 GHz with spark gaps around > 1897. > > See: > http://www.tuc.nrao.edu/~demerson/bose/bose.html > > > 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207305108052791712 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 262a7d4565d257bf0a43e07e12ad8947f3e657c0 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs167375qbh; 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Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:29:10 -0500 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom_Gruis=2C_EdD=2C_K=D8HTF?= To: Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 21:28:58 -0500 Message-ID: <002601c69991$7572e710$4200a8c0@homehmkh4yu192> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.1.20060627133231.019f52e0@xtra.co.nz> X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.628 Subject: LF: RE: Spark Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5105 Gee.=20 I used an olde door buzzer, ca. 1948 or so. Sometimes my wife's hair dryer or a neighbor's dimmer switch now does a = much better job. Technology marches on. 73! Doc. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Brenda Hayes Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 20:49 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Spark ..........Now if historic spark transmitters were permitted that=20 could be fun. I havn't operated spark since I was 12 years old. It was (slightly) unofficial...... So did I, at about the same age, using a Ford coil which I still own.=20 It worked well, on an inverted L antenna, and obliterated all=20 broadcasting reception in my small country town. The nearest=20 broadcasting station was a hundred miles away so my state of the art=20 transmitter had an easy victory. Needless to say, I did a fast=20 close-down before the dreaded Radio Inspector hit town. A rather late confession. Kevin ZL4MD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207048289115328860 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: eed0b575ef2c31eb3198e114f53fa1979325d460 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs8905wrc; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 06:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.232.15 with SMTP id e15mr3356442nfh; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 06:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k24si4033389nfc.2006.06.24.06.21.01; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 06:21:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fu80C-0007Y6-00 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:16:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fu80B-0007Xx-Jv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:16:43 +0100 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fu808-0007pu-LO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:16:43 +0100 Received: from tnt-13-241.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.241] helo=captbrian) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1Fu806-000CxJ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:16:39 +0100 Message-ID: <003e01c69790$5ef77bc0$121686d4@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <521.130bed0.31cc71fb@aol.com> <002301c69690$4cd321c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <200606231019250198.1433C814@smtp.wanadoo.fr> <005f01c696a6$b55dd1c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <449C03E7.9010007@wanadoo.fr> <002001c696e3$74317a20$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> <00a701c696f5$5231ff00$5ac428c3@captbrian> <001101c69757$d0da6380$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> <001a01c6977b$5e8cdfa0$787a7ad5@w4o8m9> <003a01c69784$eb0972a0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 14:15:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Top-fed LF antenna idea Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5112 You are right of course , but you have spoiled the fun of laying corridor wires at dead of night in my pyjamas. Try book a ground level room and a room on a higher floor directly above. drop wire from up to down. Connect to radiator at ground level and via tx at the upper radiator. Leave it in Beacon mode all night while sleeping in the comfortable bed Much cleverer people than I am can work out what floor the upper one should be on to make this Gamma-match work on a 40 storey building. Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Martinez" To: Sent: 24 June 2006 12:54 Subject: LF: Re: Top-fed LF antenna idea > From G3PLX: > > I am sure Jim is right to say "it's not quite true..". As I suggested in my > reply to Brian, if a lot of the field lines just 'short-circuit' back to the > top of the tower, then there isn't going to be much contribution from these. > But I think it's possible to believe that if we have a small monopole > sitting in the middle of a square ground area which is the size of the top > of the tower-block, initially at ground-level, and we then raise it by > jacking-up the tower underneath it, our transmitted signal will increase as > we do so. > > It's well-known that you can work a lot further by taking a 2m handheld up a > tower, but if you only think of surface-wave propagation theory, you would > say that there wasn't any point in doing the same with a 136kHz 'hand-held'. > If we can accept that the old Post Office work on the field-strength from > ships is reliable (it's the height above the sea that counts, not the height > above the transmitter), and we understand the mechanisms involved, we may > gain quite a lot by taking, not just a small vertical monopole but any sort > of metal object which can be deployed clear of the structure, to the top of > something tall. > > 73 > Peter > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 21/06/06 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207048289115328860 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 1bd4731f4b7e34f9a81268bdb9f829c7811df7e8 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs6302wrc; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:35:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.59.5 with SMTP id m5mr3166010nfk; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r34si3741831nfc.2006.06.23.23.35.51; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 23:35:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fu1g7-0006ak-7i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fu1g6-0006ab-Gt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:34 +0100 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fu1g2-0007ou-AE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:34 +0100 Received: (qmail 42350 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2006 06:31:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.158.22 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2006 06:31:24 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c69757$d0da6380$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <521.130bed0.31cc71fb@aol.com> <002301c69690$4cd321c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <200606231019250198.1433C814@smtp.wanadoo.fr> <005f01c696a6$b55dd1c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <449C03E7.9010007@wanadoo.fr> <002001c696e3$74317a20$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> <00a701c696f5$5231ff00$5ac428c3@captbrian> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 06:31:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.248 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Top-fed LF antenna idea Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5113 >From G3PLX: Dave/Brian/Jim/all.. Thanks for the feedback. I also received one from Bob VE7BS describing his pal's results from the top of a tower block with a whip on top-band. Brian's point about ships antennas is one I also recall seeing mentioned in G3LNP's article about his top-fed tower. It seems that the early workers just calculated the effective height of the antenna measured from the radio cabin, not from the sea surface, and were surprised at how good the results were. I think there has been a blind spot in conventional understanding of how a small antenna fed against 'ground' works when it's sitting ontop of something else, and it seemed to me that if we took this into account, a lot more interesting locations might suggest themselves for LF working. We don't need to be able to actually see and touch the conductors involved in the process of carrying the current up and down the structure in order to know that we are using it as an antenna. If I sit on the top of my tower with some sort of whip or capacity hat out in clear space, and I can measure that I am poking a useful amount of RF current into it, then I don't need to go to great lengths to trace how this current is getting back down the tower to ground. In particular I don't need to run a wire down the side of the tower and worry about how to ground it at the bottom. I can assume the current is flowing down the tower because there's simply nowhere else it can go. If a meter at the base of the whip registers 1 amp then that's 1 amp flowing down the whole height of the tower. I can then just measure the height of the tower above the surrounding terrain, derive the radiation resistance (using the full height, not half of it), and estimate the erp from that. As I said in my RadCom letter, a small antenna fed 'against ground' at a height of H metres is a vertical antenna H metres tall. This is clearly only true if the structures in question are small compared to a wavelength, but this is certainly going to be true for 2.2km waves. What would be useful now is to see how easy or difficult it might be to push a decent amount of RF current into a whip from the top of something tall. 73 Peter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207344539039658659 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: ef5e74984c9b10696872ea8aac5cd2a51075bb30 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs180346qbh; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.28.9 with SMTP id f9mr6029340ugj; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m1si5997302ugc.2006.06.27.06.04.37; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 06:04:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FvDC0-0003KW-Tt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:01:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FvDC0-0003KN-Ch for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:01:24 +0100 Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.199]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FvDBv-0008FG-Ho for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:01:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 51291 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2006 13:00:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.159.243 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Jun 2006 13:00:13 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c699e9$a13f2ea0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <000001c699d3$5da1ecc0$e6a4c593@RD40002> <002301c699e3$9f270bc0$e7ce28c3@captbrian> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:00:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.144 Subject: LF: The sound of spark Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5116 >From G3PLX: The nearest thing still around that must sound like spark, is LORAN. After all, it is generated in exactly the same way. The only difference is that the LORAN megatron is driven with 6 pulses at 10uS intervals - that is, a burst of 6 cycles of 100kHz - whereas the spark transmitter only had a single spark per emission. In both cases the RF envelope would have risen more rapidly than the rise-time of the maximum audible frequency, so the signal must have sounded very similar in the headphones. Indeed, the envelope waveform of the experimental spark transmitter shown on the VE2CV website is almost identical to the waveform of a LORAN pulse shown on the Loran website. If you listen on 100kHz with the receiver on AM, apart from the low-frequency pulse-rate at the basic p.r.f. between 10 and 20Hz, you will hear a 'squeekiness' to the sound, which results from the fact that the basic pulse is actually a burst of 8 or 9 'sparks' at a 1kHz rate. If the basic spark transmitters were 400-600Hz, they would have sounded lower in pitch than this 1000 Hz squeek, but the harmonic content would have sounded exactly the same. LORAN is effectively transmitting strings of 9mS spark transmission dots. A simple spark transmission on LF would have had a bandwidth determined almost entirely by the antenna resonance, but I imagine that as transmissions were taken higher in frequency they would have become rapidly wider and wider, unless steps were taken to narrow-down the emission by means of extra tuned-circuits. Whether this was ever done or not I don't know. There would have been good reasons to keep the bandwidths of transmitters and receivers roughly the same. 73 Peter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207172611016926350 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a9ff3daaca976df5be222ae88e6dc5a0d1ead2fb Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs112847qbh; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:31:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.49.6 with SMTP id b6mr4161837nfk; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:31:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y24si5146358nfb.2006.06.25.08.31.54; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:31:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FuWXc-0002VN-B8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:28:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FuWXb-0002VE-Hm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:28:51 +0100 Received: from zz247227.cipherkey.net ([209.139.247.227] helo=smtp.aebc.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FuWXT-0004mj-9g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:28:51 +0100 Received: from dslgw1.aebc.com [10.100.19.194] by smtp.aebc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id ABA84C6803F4; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:28:40 -0700 Received: from mmtoshiba ([10.100.19.194]) by dslgw1.aebc.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k5PFSWvR008526 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:28:37 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from macgregor@clanmacgregor.net) Message-Id: <200606251528.k5PFSWvR008526@dslgw1.aebc.com> From: "Martin Mac Gregor" To: Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:29:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaYaxSHxB//ERdJRUC5v4E/LIQ8TwAAPQdQ In-Reply-To: X-Declude-Sender: macgregor@clanmacgregor.net [10.100.19.194] X-Declude-Spoolname: Daba84c6803f48cc6.SMD X-Note: Email was scanned by AE's anti-spam system in MX2 server. X-Note: This E-mail was sent from (Private IP) ([10.100.19.194]). X-Note: Total spam weight of this E-mail is 0. X-Spam-Tests-Failed: None X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.116,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_FONT_BIG=0.232,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: Re: Gardener required... Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0003_01C69831.87115F80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_FONT_BIG,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5121 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C69831.87115F80 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0004_01C69831.87115F80" ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C69831.87115F80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In BC as well Martin VE7MM Bindweed and bellbind control Bindweed. Photograph copyright Dorling Kindersley - Calystegia sepiumCalystegia sepium (bellbind) is a strong twining climber, with shallow, fleshy underground stems. Convolvulus arvensis (bindweed) is weaker in appearance than bellbind, but also spreads rapidly through the soil. Both weeds can be imported into the garden among plant roots, soil or manure. http://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profiles0801/bindweed.asp _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of MIKE REID Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 8:17 AM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Gardener required... We have those same damn weeds in Minnesota. What are they called? They can even kill off a young tree when they wrap around tight. Mike WE0H ----- Original Message ----- From: James Moritz To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 5:01 AM Subject: LF: Gardener required... Dear LF Group, I suspected I was getting behind with the weeding (see attachment) - that explains the erratic antenna current! BTW - strong QRSS "Test" signal from G3XIZ on 137.686 this morning Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ------=_NextPart_001_0004_01C69831.87115F80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In BC as well

Martin

VE7MM

Bindweed and bellbind control

3D"Bindweed. Calystegia = sepium (bellbind) is a strong twining climber, with shallow, fleshy underground = stems. Convolvulus = arvensis (bindweed) is weaker in appearance than bellbind, but also spreads = rapidly through the soil. Both weeds can be imported into the garden among plant = roots, soil or manure.

http://www.rhs.org.uk/advice/profile= s0801/bindweed.asp

From: = owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of MIKE REID
Sent: Sunday, June 25, = 2006 8:17 AM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: Gardener required...

We have = those same damn weeds in Minnesota. What are they called? They can even kill off a young tree when they wrap = around tight.

Mike

WE0H

----- Original Message ----- =

From: James Moritz

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or= g

Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 5:01 AM

Subject: LF: Gardener required...

Dear LF Group,

I suspected I was getting = behind with the weeding (see attachment) - that explains the erratic antenna = current!

BTW - strong QRSS "Test" = signal from G3XIZ on 137.686 this morning

Cheers, Jim = Moritz

73 de M0BMU

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------=_NextPart_000_0003_01C69831.87115F80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205561620712378909 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c6fb122f89e71dff8afc9d301c9ee72d2c87ea8a Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs15703wrc; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:24:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.225.3 with SMTP id x3mr834203nfg; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:20:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y24si1361857nfb.2006.06.07.14.21.50; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:21:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo5Qv-0002pE-9p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:19:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with 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hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5122 -------------------------------1149715146 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 07/06/2006 22:12:31 GMT Daylight Time, g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk writes: Is there another accurate signal nearer 198KHz with which to compare? Hi Gary Allouis on 162 KHz is used as a frequency reference. Not sure if it's as accurate as Droitwich but should be good enough for comparison purposes. regards Nigel G8PZR -------------------------------1149715146 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 07/06/2006 22:12:31 GMT Daylight Time,=20 g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk writes:

<= FONT=20 style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=3DArial color=3D#000000 size= =3D2>Is there=20 another accurate signal nearer 198KHz with
which to=20 compare?

Hi Gary

Allouis on 162 KHz is used as a frequency reference.

Not sure if it's as accurate as Droitwich but should be good enough for= =20 comparison purposes.

regards

Nigel

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-------------------------------1149715146-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205561620712378909 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c3a3c3b74010914a959248e9ece41f9c9e8486af Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs15354wrc; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.254.4 with SMTP id b4mr870171nfi; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m16si866865nfc.2006.06.07.14.14.27; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:14:29 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo5Jp-0002d7-Vr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:12:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo5Jp-0002cw-Fz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:12:01 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.37]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fo5Jl-0005LK-B2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:12:01 +0100 Received: from 88-106-178-134.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.178.134]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 07 Jun 2006 21:46:29 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAIrXhkSJWgIpAQ Received: from 88-106-178-134.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.178.134]:3003 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Fo4ud-00079c-JS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:45:59 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 21:46:03 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <006f01c68a6f$b1aebe60$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.871,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5123 Hi Peter, I have carried out the same comparisons again ie. 60KHz, 75KHz & 77.5KHz against 198KHz & BBC 198KHz is 1Hz high, tested at 2035z. Could there be an error in respect of the frequency difference in the receivers band set up although I believe the range is in the same band on my JRC NRD-345. When compared with DFC39 (accuracy of this station not known to me) there is a difference of 0.5Hz. Is there another accurate signal nearer 198KHz with which to compare? 73, Gary - G4WGT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Peter Martinez Sent: 07 June 2006 21:20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: BBC 198kHz >From G3PLX: On seeing the report of Droitwich being off frequency, I connected up my Clicklock set-up, which enables me to measure off-air signal phase relative to GPS. I have to run the system with no antenna in order to get Droitwich low enough in level, and that makes the measurement a little sensitive to disturbances in the shack, but this is a disturbance in both amplitude and phase, and it's quite easy to see that the few degrees wobble I am seeing in the phase is the same as the wobble in amplitude, and is not due to a systematic drift in phase. A random distrbance results in a blob on the vectorscope. A frequency error shows as an arc around the origen. If it had been 1Hz off, I would have expected to see a change of 360 degrees PER SECOND, i.e. a full circle rotating once/sec. All I can see is a circular blob about 2% amplitude, and that's over the last 20 minutes. I would say Droitwich is spot-on. Has anyone who saw it off frequency checked it again (since 20:00 utc) to see if it's back on frequency? Was it off frequency and it's back again, or maybe it was never off. 73 Peter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205561620712378909 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 96f932a962968f74be560b264f3ac3e261ee1cc0 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs14103wrc; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.3.20 with SMTP id f20mr855107nfi; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c28si1348084nfb.2006.06.07.13.45.52; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:45:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo4rf-0002Mc-Kx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:42:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo4rf-0002MT-0z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:42:55 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.144]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fo4ra-0004zm-Jm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:42:54 +0100 Received: from pa3fnyzus90725 (cd4400af3.cable.wanadoo.nl [212.64.10.243]) by smtp4.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id A2B5A177C3 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:42:19 +0200 (CEST) From: "Victor van kooten" To: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:42:10 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <006f01c68a6f$b1aebe60$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.061 Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0008_01C68A83.9D144CE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5124 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0008_01C68A83.9D144CE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No drift here,see capture 73 Victor,PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Peter Martinez Verzonden: woensdag 7 juni 2006 22:20 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: RE: BBC 198kHz >From G3PLX: On seeing the report of Droitwich being off frequency, I connected up my Clicklock set-up, which enables me to measure off-air signal phase relative to GPS. I have to run the system with no antenna in order to get Droitwich low enough in level, and that makes the measurement a little sensitive to disturbances in the shack, but this is a disturbance in both amplitude and phase, and it's quite easy to see that the few degrees wobble I am seeing in the phase is the same as the wobble in amplitude, and is not due to a systematic drift in phase. A random distrbance results in a blob on the vectorscope. A frequency error shows as an arc around the origen. If it had been 1Hz off, I would have expected to see a change of 360 degrees PER SECOND, i.e. a full circle rotating once/sec. All I can see is a circular blob about 2% amplitude, and that's over the last 20 minutes. I would say Droitwich is spot-on. Has anyone who saw it off frequency checked it again (since 20:00 utc) to see if it's back on frequency? 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Tracey >I was in Anchor Supplies in Nottingham today and they had boxes and boxes >full of brand new and boxed Eltek 48v 18 amp switched mode power supplies. > I thought that they might be of interest as amplifier supplies? > > They actually have one up on ebay at the moment. > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ELTEK-SMPS1000S1-48V-HIGH-GRADE-POWER-SUPPLY_W0QQitemZ140000592516QQihZ004QQcategoryZ48708QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem > > I have no connection other than being a satisfied customer > > Tracey > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm 73 Hartmut www.h-wolff.de Locator: JO52hp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207441377604227103 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 56a51cd7ec1af4aec7cbdeee501af69a452df72b Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs231684qbh; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.27.7 with SMTP id e7mr767018nfj; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i1si4873227nfe.2006.06.28.07.43.48; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:43:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fvb9L-0002iE-P6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:36:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fvb9L-0002i5-AR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:36:15 +0100 Received: from thsmsgxrt12p.thalesgroup.com ([192.54.144.135]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fvb9G-0004Kz-40 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:36:14 +0100 Received: from thsmsgirt21p.corp.thales (unknown [10.33.231.5]) by thsmsgxrt12p.thalesgroup.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54875441DC for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:35:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from thsmsgiav13p.corp.thales (10.33.231.33) by thsmsgirt21p.corp.thales (7.2.055.4) id 446456B60098EBDD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:35:31 +0200 Received: from (10.33.231.2) by thsmsgiav13p.corp.thales via smtp id 12ca_5b99ac72_06b3_11db_80d8_0014221d46b3; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 14:35:33 +0000 Received: from NODALNET.clb.tcfr.thales (unknown [10.33.8.19]) by thsmsgirt12p.corp.thales (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E6543C00E for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:35:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: by nodalnet.clb.tcfr.thales with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:35:33 +0200 Message-ID: <8840D182F8BB7540B173D2B1FA0CA9AB0708E197@argos.clb.tcfr.thales> From: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:35:32 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: Off topic on this list :o) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C69AC0.1C19FC82" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5137 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69AC0.1C19FC82 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hi all For your information, spark gaps were not only used for LF in the past ... Jagadis Chandra Bose was experimenting on 60 GHz with spark gaps around 1897. See: http://www.tuc.nrao.edu/~demerson/bose/bose.html 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR ------_=_NextPart_001_01C69AC0.1C19FC82 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hi all

For your information, spark gaps were not only used for LF in the past ...

Jagadis Chandra Bose was experimenting on 60 GHz with spark gaps around 1897.

See: http://www.tuc.nrao.edu/~demerson/bose/bose.html

73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR

------_=_NextPart_001_01C69AC0.1C19FC82-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205821263367314254 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 934b61eeb9885c4026dd43d3121494e70a2504bc Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs10750wrc; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.238.9 with SMTP id l9mr3520824nfh; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r33si4716051nfc.2006.06.10.14.04.55; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:04:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FpAbW-0000Br-OO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:02:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FpAbW-0000Bi-69 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:02:46 +0100 Received: from smtpout0187.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.187] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FpAbT-0002M3-EC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 22:02:46 +0100 Received: from g3kev (62.252.228.1) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 44742A6700204838 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:02:36 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c68cd1$3390a9d0$01e4fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:02:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-2.039,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.492 Subject: LF: acty Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5144 Hi PA4VHF/P calling cq at 2040z 559 but no one responding. Lots of static about on the 137 band at present. 73 Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205821263367314254 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a1fd4d2d8723931c61f9d53c41849cf5bc099a98 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs3606wrc; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.225.16 with SMTP id x16mr393050nfg; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a23si4604310nfc.2006.06.10.10.32.48; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:32:49 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fp7I0-0008Gr-6M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:30:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fp7Hz-0008Gi-O2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:30:23 +0100 Received: from smtpout0174.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.174] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fp7Hw-0000wJ-0I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 18:30:23 +0100 Received: from g3kev (62.252.232.4) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 44742A67002023A3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:28:24 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c68cb3$46c1d2e0$04e8fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 17:27:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-2.066,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.492 Subject: LF: acty Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5145 Very little acty today only PA4VHF/P at 559 and unstable, some freq instability. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207152480229910044 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: b120cacdd4516029c018e47b802ec6b0c19b1478 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs107123qbh; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.143.15 with SMTP id q15mr3941282nfd; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y24si4902082nfb.2006.06.25.03.11.55; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:11:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FuRT4-00020O-VB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:03:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FuRT4-00020F-12 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:03:50 +0100 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FuRSz-0001kJ-Ij for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:03:49 +0100 Received: (qmail 60739 invoked from network); 25 Jun 2006 10:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?213.122.11.252?) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.11.252 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Jun 2006 10:03:30 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.3/374]); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:01:02 +0100 Message-ID: <001201c6983e$43f100e0$fc0b7ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 11:01:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.001,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Gardener required... Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000E_01C69846.A5830E40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5147 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000E_01C69846.A5830E40 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_000F_01C69846.A5830E40" ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01C69846.A5830E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear LF Group, I suspected I was getting behind with the weeding (see attachment) - = that explains the erratic antenna current! BTW - strong QRSS "Test" signal from G3XIZ on 137.686 this morning Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ------=_NextPart_001_000F_01C69846.A5830E40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear LF Group,

I suspected I was getting behind = with the=20 weeding (see attachment) - that explains the erratic antenna=20 current!

BTW - strong QRSS "Test" signal from = G3XIZ on=20 137.686 this morning

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

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from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FtgtV-0003ez-KS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:20:01 +0100 Received: from smtp1.orange.fr ([193.252.22.30]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FtgtR-00073J-Ar for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:20:01 +0100 Received: from john-b5a82ea1a4 (Mix-Dijon-114-4-203.w193-249.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.249.233.203]) by mwinf0108.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C71BA1C00CE5 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:19:40 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060623081940815.C71BA1C00CE5@mwinf0108.orange.fr Message-ID: <200606231019250198.1433C814@smtp.wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <002301c69690$4cd321c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> References: <521.130bed0.31cc71fb@aol.com> <002301c69690$4cd321c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:19:25 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.685 Subject: Re: LF: where is 1st. harmonic [getting Off Topic] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5148 On 23/06/2006 at 07:41 captbrian wrote: >That's because you kids who have been separated by rebellion for 230 years >next week... Whereas England was independent for rather longer (until 1972, or a bit= later, depending on whether you are a member of the Jean Monnet fan club= or not). John F5VLF/G3PAI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205645323481025569 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: f0af085b5a103e92251f05743b2712f0bcec7e65 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs22955wrc; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:56:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.65.12 with SMTP id s12mr1739316nfk; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d2si119162nfe.2006.06.08.11.56.18; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FoPbQ-0000S6-1b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:51:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FoPbP-0000Rx-JU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:51:31 +0100 Received: from smtpout0189.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.189] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FoPbL-0007q0-D6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:51:31 +0100 Received: from g3kev (62.252.232.20) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 44742A67001DAECA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:51:15 +0000 Message-ID: <005901c68b2c$8421fe40$14e8fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: "rsgb" Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 18:50:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.045 Subject: LF: CW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5149 Anyone looking for a cw qso on 137 khz pse ck 136.950 khz. I work around this qrg normally but can qsy if necessary. Active during daytime and evenings. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207189734793385232 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 858648f9c8cd56bbc845d1a59a4b99cc31bd16d7 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs117563qbh; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:04:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.242.3 with SMTP id p3mr4292590nfh; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c28si217149nfb.2006.06.25.13.04.04; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:04:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fuamp-0003P4-J8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 21:00:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fuamp-0003Ov-1Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 21:00:51 +0100 Received: from smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.10]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fuamk-0006Zk-AC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 21:00:50 +0100 Received: from tnt-5-28.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.28] helo=captbrian) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1Fuami-00074h-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 21:00:44 +0100 Message-ID: <008e01c69891$fce231c0$741a86d4@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 21:00:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: Gardener required... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5150 i'm just a simple engineer; it would take a real bean counter to do that. bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Sent: 25 June 2006 20:14 Subject: LF: RE: Re: Gardener required... > >Beware strong LF RF fields can cause plant mutation, remember Jack-and-the > Beanstalk....< > > Perhaps you can calculate the 50R feedpoint. > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT. > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 21/06/06 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207056677399076536 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c962e8ada9d3a630b8d4e714861d0c7aded93320 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs8258wrc; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.4.17 with SMTP id g17mr3290532nfi; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l21si3470126nfc.2006.06.24.03.57.27; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 03:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fu5hk-0007Bz-Qp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:49:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fu5hk-0007Bq-7D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:49:32 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fu5hh-00076U-0M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:49:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 16670 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2006 10:48:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.122.120 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2006 10:48:22 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.3/374]); Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:45:54 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c6977b$5e8cdfa0$787a7ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <521.130bed0.31cc71fb@aol.com> <002301c69690$4cd321c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <200606231019250198.1433C814@smtp.wanadoo.fr> <005f01c696a6$b55dd1c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <449C03E7.9010007@wanadoo.fr> <002001c696e3$74317a20$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> <00a701c696f5$5231ff00$5ac428c3@captbrian> <001101c69757$d0da6380$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:45:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.820,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Top-fed LF antenna idea Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5154 Dear Peter, LF Group, I can assume the > current is flowing down the tower because there's simply nowhere else it can > go. If a meter at the base of the whip registers 1 amp then that's 1 amp > flowing down the whole height of the tower. I can then just measure the > height of the tower above the surrounding terrain, derive the radiation > resistance (using the full height, not half of it), and estimate the erp > from that. I don't think this is quite true. If you consider a small vertical in the middle of a large flat roof, most of the electric flux lines emerging from the vertical element will terminate on the "ground plane" formed by the roof - thus most of the antenna current will be circulating between the roof and the antenna. A small proportion of the flux will miss the roof and extend to the "real" ground around the building, so some current will flow from the real ground vertically up the building, but only a small proportion. of the total antenna current. However, if the antenna-plus-building is electrically short, and the vertical element is small compared to the building height, this small current will make a disproportionately large contribution to the overall radiation resistance, so still result in a large increase in ERP. Even if the antenna consists of a tall, thin, grounded mast with a small vertical driven element on top, a lot of the field would exist between the driven element and the top part of the mast, so the current would be much higher at the top of the mast than the bottom. But some of the field would reach ground level, so there would be a contribution from the whole mast as before. To optimise the LF building-antenna, you would want to arrange things so the largest possible fraction of the antenna current flowed through the whole height of the building, in other words so that the largest part of the electric flux extended between the antenna element and the ground surrounding the building. This would mean having the antenna element sticking out as high and/or as far from the sides of the building as possible. This is really the same objective as top-loading a monopole antenna. So David's sloping wire transatlantic antenna is probably a good approach - one would want to make the wires as long and high up as possible, as usual. I would certainly agree with Peter that the CFA, EH and their ilk are in many cases simply acting as devices for loading up the building or mast on which they are mounted. Because these are fairly high-Q devices, with presumably large voltages and circulating currents, and with the square-law relation between short antenna height and ERP for a given current, it wouldn't take much current "escaping" from the antenna for the mast/building to be the major contributor to the radiation. My experience some years ago at work with HF measuring loop antennas revealed that almost any feeder cable or preamp power lead several metres long attached to the antenna could make 10dB or more difference to the received signal, even if the cable was just lying on the ground. It was neccessary to add lots of clamp-on lossy ferrite cores and take care with layout to keep this sort of effect to a reasonable level. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207056677399076536 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: fadf2db8f49c3e2bf5a6bff08ba435e38d3fbe72 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs7194wrc; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.232.15 with SMTP id e15mr3215540nfh; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o45si1752105nfa.2006.06.24.01.49.11; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 01:49:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fu3l5-0006ss-UG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:44:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fu3l5-0006sj-Dw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:44:51 +0100 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.14]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fu3l1-0000IV-8z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:44:51 +0100 Received: from tnt-13-18.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.18] helo=captbrian) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1Fu3kz-000F9H-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:44:46 +0100 Message-ID: <002e01c6976a$63f891c0$121686d4@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <521.130bed0.31cc71fb@aol.com> <002301c69690$4cd321c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <200606231019250198.1433C814@smtp.wanadoo.fr> <005f01c696a6$b55dd1c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <449C03E7.9010007@wanadoo.fr> <002001c696e3$74317a20$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> <00a701c696f5$5231ff00$5ac428c3@captbrian> <001101c69757$d0da6380$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:44:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Top-fed LF antenna idea Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5155 Why struggle with a short whip when on flat roof of many buildings is space for a 70 foot horizontal ? How about avoiding falling off by laying the antenna wire along a long top-floor corridor? [let's not go on about floors again tho'] Book into a skyscraper hotel room on top floor, then ,when everyone asleep .........heh.hehe,heh! Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Martinez" To: Sent: 24 June 2006 07:31 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Top-fed LF antenna idea > From G3PLX: > > Dave/Brian/Jim/all.. > > Thanks for the feedback. I also received one from Bob VE7BS describing his > pal's results from the top of a tower block with a whip on top-band. > > Brian's point about ships antennas is one I also recall seeing mentioned in > G3LNP's article about his top-fed tower. It seems that the early workers > just calculated the effective height of the antenna measured from the radio > cabin, not from the sea surface, and were surprised at how good the results > were. I think there has been a blind spot in conventional understanding of > how a small antenna fed against 'ground' works when it's sitting ontop of > something else, and it seemed to me that if we took this into account, a lot > more interesting locations might suggest themselves for LF working. > > We don't need to be able to actually see and touch the conductors involved > in the process of carrying the current up and down the structure in order to > know that we are using it as an antenna. If I sit on the top of my tower > with some sort of whip or capacity hat out in clear space, and I can measure > that I am poking a useful amount of RF current into it, then I don't need to > go to great lengths to trace how this current is getting back down the tower > to ground. In particular I don't need to run a wire down the side of the > tower and worry about how to ground it at the bottom. I can assume the > current is flowing down the tower because there's simply nowhere else it can > go. If a meter at the base of the whip registers 1 amp then that's 1 amp > flowing down the whole height of the tower. I can then just measure the > height of the tower above the surrounding terrain, derive the radiation > resistance (using the full height, not half of it), and estimate the erp > from that. As I said in my RadCom letter, a small antenna fed 'against > ground' at a height of H metres is a vertical antenna H metres tall. This > is clearly only true if the structures in question are small compared to a > wavelength, but this is certainly going to be true for 2.2km waves. > > What would be useful now is to see how easy or difficult it might be to push > a decent amount of RF current into a whip from the top of something tall. > > 73 > Peter > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 21/06/06 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205553291555435496 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 74f4a00aadbf0cedbb4ea9daa594e9e74204cd81 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs47436wrc; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 06:50:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.255.20 with SMTP id c20mr2767338nfi; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 06:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y23si4431730nfb.2006.06.10.06.50.48; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 06:50:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fp3pB-0007xr-CM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:48:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fp3pA-0007xi-RE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:48:24 +0100 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fp3p7-0008NB-6t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:48:24 +0100 Received: from bb-87-82-0-174.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.0.174] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1Fp3p6-000P4j-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:48:20 +0100 Message-ID: <448AD431.4000703@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:16:17 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4487EB8A.27171.B415B8@localhost> In-Reply-To: <4487EB8A.27171.B415B8@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.975 Subject: Re: LF: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5157 Mike Dennison wrote: >Thanks to all those who responded to my query about the apparent >errors seen on frequency standards. > >I am now convinced my problem is caused by frequency error in my TS- >850. > I found the callibration on my 850 was out by about 1Hz on 136kHz. I also found the callibration on other frequency standards were also out by different amounts, depending on frequency - very similar to Mike's results. Furthermore, the receiver required at least 30 minutes warm up for the frequency to settle. The frequency calibration on the DDS of my IC-706 and FT-817 is more accurate. However, having said that, the 850 performance on LF is so good that applying an small frequency offset is a minor inconveniance. Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205553291555435496 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: eec6da5297895c59e8c880679c9ec85254e7bccb Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs7657wrc; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 10:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.238.1 with SMTP id l1mr2573408nfh; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id g1si3460251nfe.2006.06.09.10.12.36; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 10:12:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FokQ7-00045K-Ch for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:05:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FokQ6-00045B-JY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:05:14 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FokQ2-0006Km-7r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 18:05:14 +0100 Received: (qmail 46833 invoked from network); 9 Jun 2006 17:05:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@86.135.54.24 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 9 Jun 2006 17:05:04 -0000 Message-ID: <010101c68be6$da546220$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <44872911.4081.200439F@localhost> <004f01c68a73$5a700240$0300a8c0@lark> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 17:05:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.650 Subject: LF: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5158 >From G3PLX; Alan G3NYK gave some idea of how stable Droitwich 198kHz might be. I had the chance to leave my GPS-locked system monitoring it over most of a day. The results may be of interest. During the daytime, the maximum phase excursion I saw was 10 degrees peak to peak. The largest change seen over the 5-minute sample interval was 4 degrees, corresponding to a worst-case apparent frequency error of 37uHz. At night there was evidence of skywave, which showed as three cycles of phase-change extending over 30 degrees peak-to-peak between 21:45z and 01:30z. The largest change seen over 5 minutes was 22 degrees, corresponding to a frequency error of 200uHz. A quick calculation from this says the skywave was about 12dB down on the groundwave at it's strongest in the middle of the night. The worst disturbance was in the middle of the night, not at sunrise or sunset. I am 230km from Droitwich. 73 Peter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205553291555435496 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 70b8a5af5231f41a7369c8259973af054ec81624 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs12729wrc; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 08:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.51.9 with SMTP id y9mr505311huy; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 2si444062hue.2006.06.08.08.21.45; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 08:21:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FoMFB-00080D-CE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:16:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FoMFA-000804-Sc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:16:20 +0100 Received: from mx1-4.spamtrap.magma.ca ([209.217.78.155]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FoMF6-00055z-HN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:16:20 +0100 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.internal.magma.ca [10.0.10.14]) by mx1-4.spamtrap.magma.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k58FGAC7016119 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:16:11 -0400 Received: from nocturna-y1zrar.magma.ca (nrtcorback-216-168-120-145.nrtco.net [216.168.120.145]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail4.magma.ca (Magma's Mail Server) with ESMTP id k58FG8uM029773 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 11:16:10 -0400 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.1.20060608110701.01abbf60@magma.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:16:48 -0400 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Bill de Carle In-Reply-To: <003d01c68b06$d84b0e60$0300a8c0@lark> References: <001501c68a76$9c02c8c0$0200a8c0@AUG2004> <4487EB8A.27171.B415B8@localhost> <7.0.1.0.1.20060608082442.019be388@magma.ca> <003d01c68b06$d84b0e60$0300a8c0@lark> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-magma-MailScanner-Information: Magma Mailscanner Service X-magma-MailScanner: Clean X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.030,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5159 At 10:10 AM 6/8/2006, Alan wrote: >Hi Bill fascinating info......would it be correct to say that with the >magnitude of Mike's error, it is the result of a slightly high reference >oscillator ?? It looks to me like the 20 Mhz reference was drifting around while he was taking the measurements (possibly his audio measuring system was drifting also, but that is less important). When I do these measurements I use an external standard (locked to GPS) in place of Kenwood's internal oscillator, and I also drive the LF DDS synthesizer from the *same* external standard - so the audio output from the radio is rock solid. The only uncertainty is the sound card sampling rate (which I check often against GPS). For a quick and dirty calibration of the TS850, one can tune in WWV's carrier on 15 Mhz (CW mode), measure the audio tone out, and trim the internal reference osc so the tone output is 800 Hz. That'll get you to well within 1 Hz on LF, at least for a while, hi! Bill VE2IQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205553291555435496 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: dfcb816a9516c3d014e562b4b07c0af3f9b7e1c8 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs9622wrc; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 07:26:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.240.2 with SMTP id n2mr1510327nfh; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x1si2141392nfb.2006.06.08.07.26.56; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:26:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FoLPI-0007dF-Iz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:22:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FoLPH-0007cz-IY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:22:43 +0100 Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.200]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FoLPD-00041g-5g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 15:22:43 +0100 Received: (qmail 6968 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 14:21:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.45.185 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 14:21:32 -0000 Message-ID: <003d01c68b06$d84b0e60$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <001501c68a76$9c02c8c0$0200a8c0@AUG2004><4487EB8A.27171.B415B8@localhost> <7.0.1.0.1.20060608082442.019be388@magma.ca> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 15:10:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.895 Subject: Re: LF: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5160 Hi Bill fascinating info......would it be correct to say that with the magnitude of Mike's error, it is the result of a slightly high reference oscillator ?? The step size is determined by the reference (divided down) and Mike's steps which accumualate across the 500khz band seem a little too big. This would of course depend on whether or not there was a sideband reversal. Of course if you reduced the step size you could finish up with a constant offset across the sweep. Maybe there is no way to compensate for this and it is regarded as "near enough" I wonder if Alberto has read this as I think he might have an 850. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill de Carle To: Sent: 08 June 2006 14:01 Subject: Re: LF: BBC 198kHz > At 04:19 AM 6/8/2006, Mike, G3XDV wrote: > > [..] > > >I am now convinced my problem is caused by frequency error in my TS- > >850. Looking at several standards, the errors are as follows > >(relative to an arbitrary zero): > >60.0kHz: -1.0Hz > >75.0kHz: -0.8Hz > >77.5kHz: -0.7Hz > >162kHz: -0.1Hz > >198kHz: +0.1Hz > >490kHz (using my LF Tx DDS) +3.0Hz > >Plotting this on a graph shows approximately a straight line. This > >indicates a progressive error as frequency increases. > > The error isn't strictly linear over all frequencies but it is repeatable > so once you know the error for any given frequency it can be allowed for. > > The TS850 uses a combination of PLL's and DDS chips to generate all the > internal signals it needs - everything is derived from a single 20 Mhz > reference. One interesting thing is that the error can be completely > characterised by measuring it at a particular frequency within any 500 Khz > block (e.g. 0 - 500 Khz, 500Khz - 1 Mhz, 1.5 Mhz - 2.0 Mhz etc). Once > you've measured that error in any block you know it for the same frequency > modulo 500 Khz (ie the offset for say 1.290123 Mhz is the same as the offset > for 290.123 Khz, 790.123 Khz etc). > > Another interesting thing is that in many cases the hardware is capable > of tuning closer to the optimum value than the rig's firmware actually > allows! In other words, the algorithm Kenwood uses to figure out the best > possible values to load into their four (yes four!) 28-bit DDS chips is > not optimized to always tune to the nearest frequency to the one shown > on the display. > > Based on Kenwood's block diagram of their synthesizer, I wrote a program > to calculate the actual frequency the rig tunes for any given displayed > frequency - but I had to offer several choices near the *best* frequency > because I never did figure out Kenwood's algorithm. To find the *actual* > freq the rig's firmware tunes to, I still have to measure the audio output > with a known frequency input. Fortunately the steps between possible freqs > are big enough that it is is obvious which one they're using given that the > error in my measurements (due to sound card sampling uncertainty) is around > 1 mHz. The worst mis-tune I've ever seen on the TS850 was around 58 mHz, > which would not normally be noticed by HF operators. > > Assuming CW mode and 800-Hz tone out, here are the actual offsets (rounded > to 3 decimal places) for your freqs: > > Frequency Best possible tune Actual tune > ----------------------------------------------------------- > 60.000 Khz 799.983 799.960 (40 mHz low) > 75.000 Khz 799.997 799.967 (33 mHz low) > 77.500 Khz 799.999 799.962 (38 mHz low) > 162.000 Khz 799.984 799.984 (16 mHz low) > 198.000 Khz 800.008 799.972 (28 mHz low) > 490.000 Khz 799.983 799.983 (17 mHz low) > > I'd love to hear from anyone who may have access to the Kenwood firmware > code so I can make my little program show the "right" frequency every time > instead of saying "it must be one of these possibilities..." I wrote Kenwood > asking for details of their algorithm but they did not reply to my email. > > Bill VE2IQ > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205553291555435496 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 53f897de01c6a343ec7ebc722aceaf6003e2a4e4 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs5178wrc; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 06:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.24.12 with SMTP id 12mr465034hux; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 06:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 23si453614hud.2006.06.08.06.08.12; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 06:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FoK8C-00073Z-Il for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:01:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FoK8C-00073Q-1y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:01:00 +0100 Received: from mx4-1.spamtrap.magma.ca ([209.217.78.176]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FoK87-00024W-ND for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 14:00:59 +0100 Received: from mail3.magma.ca (mail3.internal.magma.ca [10.0.10.13]) by mx4-1.spamtrap.magma.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k58D0pUf010353 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:00:51 -0400 Received: from nocturna-y1zrar.magma.ca (nrtcorback-216-168-120-145.nrtco.net [216.168.120.145]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail3.magma.ca (Magma's Mail Server) with ESMTP id k58D0m59022603 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:00:50 -0400 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.1.20060608082442.019be388@magma.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:01:28 -0400 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Bill de Carle In-Reply-To: <4487EB8A.27171.B415B8@localhost> References: <001501c68a76$9c02c8c0$0200a8c0@AUG2004> <4487EB8A.27171.B415B8@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-magma-MailScanner-Information: Magma Mailscanner Service X-magma-MailScanner: Clean X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.159,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5161 At 04:19 AM 6/8/2006, Mike, G3XDV wrote: [..] >I am now convinced my problem is caused by frequency error in my TS- >850. Looking at several standards, the errors are as follows >(relative to an arbitrary zero): >60.0kHz: -1.0Hz >75.0kHz: -0.8Hz >77.5kHz: -0.7Hz >162kHz: -0.1Hz >198kHz: +0.1Hz >490kHz (using my LF Tx DDS) +3.0Hz >Plotting this on a graph shows approximately a straight line. This >indicates a progressive error as frequency increases. The error isn't strictly linear over all frequencies but it is repeatable so once you know the error for any given frequency it can be allowed for. The TS850 uses a combination of PLL's and DDS chips to generate all the internal signals it needs - everything is derived from a single 20 Mhz reference. One interesting thing is that the error can be completely characterised by measuring it at a particular frequency within any 500 Khz block (e.g. 0 - 500 Khz, 500Khz - 1 Mhz, 1.5 Mhz - 2.0 Mhz etc). Once you've measured that error in any block you know it for the same frequency modulo 500 Khz (ie the offset for say 1.290123 Mhz is the same as the offset for 290.123 Khz, 790.123 Khz etc). Another interesting thing is that in many cases the hardware is capable of tuning closer to the optimum value than the rig's firmware actually allows! In other words, the algorithm Kenwood uses to figure out the best possible values to load into their four (yes four!) 28-bit DDS chips is not optimized to always tune to the nearest frequency to the one shown on the display. Based on Kenwood's block diagram of their synthesizer, I wrote a program to calculate the actual frequency the rig tunes for any given displayed frequency - but I had to offer several choices near the *best* frequency because I never did figure out Kenwood's algorithm. To find the *actual* freq the rig's firmware tunes to, I still have to measure the audio output with a known frequency input. Fortunately the steps between possible freqs are big enough that it is is obvious which one they're using given that the error in my measurements (due to sound card sampling uncertainty) is around 1 mHz. The worst mis-tune I've ever seen on the TS850 was around 58 mHz, which would not normally be noticed by HF operators. Assuming CW mode and 800-Hz tone out, here are the actual offsets (rounded to 3 decimal places) for your freqs: Frequency Best possible tune Actual tune ----------------------------------------------------------- 60.000 Khz 799.983 799.960 (40 mHz low) 75.000 Khz 799.997 799.967 (33 mHz low) 77.500 Khz 799.999 799.962 (38 mHz low) 162.000 Khz 799.984 799.984 (16 mHz low) 198.000 Khz 800.008 799.972 (28 mHz low) 490.000 Khz 799.983 799.983 (17 mHz low) I'd love to hear from anyone who may have access to the Kenwood firmware code so I can make my little program show the "right" frequency every time instead of saying "it must be one of these possibilities..." I wrote Kenwood asking for details of their algorithm but they did not reply to my email. Bill VE2IQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205553291555435496 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: bc276372647372bc4884b0ebc994e3d863394cc7 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs1276wrc; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 04:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.97.7 with SMTP id z7mr1411767ugl; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 04:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id e1si2093127ugf.2006.06.08.04.06.01; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 04:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FoIGh-0006OZ-Vd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:01:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FoIGh-0006OQ-HO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:01:39 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FoIGd-0005iM-6f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:01:39 +0100 Received: (qmail 11074 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 11:00:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.118.59 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Jun 2006 11:00:29 -0000 Message-ID: <002001c68aea$c1d0ba20$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <4487EB8A.27171.B415B8@localhost> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:00:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.738 Subject: Re: LF: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5162 Hi Mike that does look as though there may be a need for a tweak of the reference oscillator, but this will need confirming. One problem with some radios is that they derive all the LOs from the reference except the BFO is separate, and drifts to its own "script.". This would lead to a constant offset. Most modern rigs seem to derive all mixing frequencies including the BFO from the reference which make things easier unless as Stewart says there are bugs in the firmware or rounding errors. I guess the errors you quote would not be a problem on the HF bands, many amateurs would not notice them. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Dennison To: Sent: 08 June 2006 09:19 Subject: Re: LF: BBC 198kHz > Thanks to all those who responded to my query about the apparent > errors seen on frequency standards. > > I am now convinced my problem is caused by frequency error in my TS- > 850. Looking at several standards, the errors are as follows > (relative to an arbitrary zero): > 60.0kHz: -1.0Hz > 75.0kHz: -0.8Hz > 77.5kHz: -0.7Hz > 162kHz: -0.1Hz > 198kHz: +0.1Hz > 490kHz (using my LF Tx DDS) +3.0Hz > Plotting this on a graph shows approximately a straight line. This > indicates a progressive error as frequency increases. > > As a quick fix, I can now use the graph to determine the readings at > 198 and 60kHz that will give me a zero offset at 136kHz. However, is > there a more permanent way of overcoming this problem? > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > > > > Nothing unusual seen here - checked against my Rb standard. > > Walter G3JKV. > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205553291555435496 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: f4210d315a57a9aefa1ed116c863c41ca86827d7 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs19191wrc; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 02:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.10 with SMTP id d10mr1351573ugm; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 02:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y7si2003422ugc.2006.06.08.02.27.39; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 02:27:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FoGiJ-0005lE-4m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:22:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FoGiI-0005l5-3U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:22:02 +0100 Received: from grunt14.ihug.co.nz ([203.109.254.61]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FoGiE-00044W-Hx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:22:02 +0100 Received: from 203-109-218-163.bliink.ihug.co.nz (athlon1200) [203.109.218.163] by grunt14.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1FoGhD-0002j9-00; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:20:55 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.8.2/357]); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:20:04 +1200 Message-ID: <014a01c68adc$b9e998d0$7900a8c0@athlon1200> From: "Dave Brown" To: Cc: "bob vernall" References: <4487EB8A.27171.B415B8@localhost> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 21:20:04 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.125,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374 Subject: Re: LF: BBC 198kHz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5163 Mike Don't think Bob ZL2CA has resubbbed to the list yet but he has a TS850 and would no doubt be able to shed some light on this. He has measured DDS errors at less than a few tens of mHz I think, but easily seen with Argo at high resolution and fairly sure they are both positive and negative. Bob would be able to confirm this. However this is much worse - it looks like the reference is off frequency but if the percentage error was the same at higher frequencies (~ +90 Hz at 15MHz, based on your measurements) I'm sure you would have noticed it by now. Must be something more subtle. Don't know the architecture of the 850 so sorry can't comment further. Try emailing Bob direct. vernall@xtra.co.nz 73 Dave, ZL3FJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:19 PM Subject: Re: LF: BBC 198kHz > Thanks to all those who responded to my query about the apparent > errors seen on frequency standards. > > I am now convinced my problem is caused by frequency error in my TS- > 850. Looking at several standards, the errors are as follows > (relative to an arbitrary zero): > 60.0kHz: -1.0Hz > 75.0kHz: -0.8Hz > 77.5kHz: -0.7Hz > 162kHz: -0.1Hz > 198kHz: +0.1Hz > 490kHz (using my LF Tx DDS) +3.0Hz > Plotting this on a graph shows approximately a straight line. This > indicates a progressive error as frequency increases. > > As a quick fix, I can now use the graph to determine the readings at > 198 and 60kHz that will give me a zero offset at 136kHz. However, is > there a more permanent way of overcoming this problem? > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > > >> Nothing unusual seen here - checked against my Rb standard. >> Walter G3JKV. > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.2/357 - Release Date: > 6/06/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.2/357 - Release Date: 6/06/2006 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205553291555435496 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 878e278ad7ad0cab7165fb918262fbba6f41dc4b Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs18486wrc; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 02:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.45.13 with SMTP id s13mr410926hus; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 02:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 4si351939hud.2006.06.08.02.01.02; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 02:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FoGIy-0005Z6-2c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:55:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FoGIx-0005Yx-Dr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:55:51 +0100 Received: from ns1.switchnet.com ([209.59.197.26] helo=server.switchnet.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FoGIs-0005yq-Ri for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:55:51 +0100 Received: from dan75-1-81-57-233-115.fbx.proxad.net ([81.57.233.115] helo=parissn2) by server.switchnet.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FoGIq-0005qt-5P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 01:55:44 -0700 Message-ID: <001c01c68ad9$abbe7580$0702a8c0@parissn2> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: References: <4487EB8A.27171.B415B8@localhost> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:58:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.switchnet.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - scgroup.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.300 Subject: Re: LF: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5164 Hi Mike, I know nothing about the TS-850, but almost all radios have a trimmer capacitor or other adjustment for the main reference oscillator. If you set that properly, the slope of your tuning error should be nearly zero. If the (now constant) error is significant, there might be an adjustment for the 2nd or 3rd mixer LO, if that is not derived from the main reference. On some radios, there is a small residual offset (usually caused by a firmware bug) that can't be corrected. 73, Stewart KK7KA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 10:19 AM Subject: Re: LF: BBC 198kHz > Thanks to all those who responded to my query about the apparent > errors seen on frequency standards. > > I am now convinced my problem is caused by frequency error in my TS- > 850. Looking at several standards, the errors are as follows > (relative to an arbitrary zero): > 60.0kHz: -1.0Hz > 75.0kHz: -0.8Hz > 77.5kHz: -0.7Hz > 162kHz: -0.1Hz > 198kHz: +0.1Hz > 490kHz (using my LF Tx DDS) +3.0Hz > Plotting this on a graph shows approximately a straight line. This > indicates a progressive error as frequency increases. > > As a quick fix, I can now use the graph to determine the readings at > 198 and 60kHz that will give me a zero offset at 136kHz. However, is > there a more permanent way of overcoming this problem? > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205553291555435496 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: fc16b699fb7f87b5cd508837fffe3e8d2c419847 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs17762wrc; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 01:26:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.210.19 with SMTP id i19mr1227371nfg; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 01:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l21si1825098nfc.2006.06.08.01.26.15; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 01:26:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FoFnK-0005OP-Te for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:23:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FoFnK-0005OG-Ht for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:23:10 +0100 Received: from mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48] helo=mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FoFnG-0003JZ-H6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:23:10 +0100 Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060608081916.QGON29040.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:19:16 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([82.10.67.170]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060608081916.OLOT16286.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:19:16 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:19:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4487EB8A.27171.B415B8@localhost> In-reply-to: <001501c68a76$9c02c8c0$0200a8c0@AUG2004> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.987,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: BBC 198kHz Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5165 Thanks to all those who responded to my query about the apparent errors seen on frequency standards. I am now convinced my problem is caused by frequency error in my TS- 850. Looking at several standards, the errors are as follows (relative to an arbitrary zero): 60.0kHz: -1.0Hz 75.0kHz: -0.8Hz 77.5kHz: -0.7Hz 162kHz: -0.1Hz 198kHz: +0.1Hz 490kHz (using my LF Tx DDS) +3.0Hz Plotting this on a graph shows approximately a straight line. This indicates a progressive error as frequency increases. As a quick fix, I can now use the graph to determine the readings at 198 and 60kHz that will give me a zero offset at 136kHz. However, is there a more permanent way of overcoming this problem? Mike, G3XDV ========== > Nothing unusual seen here - checked against my Rb standard. > Walter G3JKV. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205553291555435496 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: dbaf65a55f2a81a77bb0ed3f5a5c3a8c78ff540d Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs15333wrc; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.210.19 with SMTP id i19mr859161nfg; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h1si1356351nfe.2006.06.07.14.13.56; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:13:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo5JF-0002cD-VT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:11:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo5JF-0002c4-Gu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:11:25 +0100 Received: from olympus.pncl.co.uk ([195.224.180.233] helo=olive.pncl.co.uk) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fo5JB-0005Kx-Aa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:11:25 +0100 Received: from AUG2004 (cpc2-leat1-0-0-cust386.hers.cable.ntl.com [86.3.121.131]) (authenticated bits=0) by olive.pncl.co.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k57L9dAk014945 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:09:39 +0100 Message-ID: <001501c68a76$9c02c8c0$0200a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: References: <44872911.4081.200439F@localhost> <004f01c68a73$5a700240$0300a8c0@lark> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:08:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Pinnacle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Pinnacle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: blanch@pncl.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5166 Nothing unusual seen here - checked against my Rb standard. Walter G3JKV. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205553291555435496 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 5c9d4df275dda74cab63f3c9e158d6721ffd3706 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs7829wrc; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.163.10 with SMTP id l10mr740120nfe; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 11:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o45si1221331nfa.2006.06.07.11.33.25; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 11:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo2mq-0001eE-W5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:29:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo2mq-0001e5-IQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:29:48 +0100 Received: from mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48] helo=mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fo2mm-0003Ax-IO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:29:48 +0100 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060607182931.WPTY29040.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:29:31 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([82.10.67.170]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060607182931.OKXT19763.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:29:31 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:29:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <44872911.4081.200439F@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.077,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: BBC 198kHz Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5167 Is it my new radio or is the 198kHz transmission more than 1Hz high and drifting HF? Rugby 60kHz, HBG 75kHz and DCF 77.5kHz all look good. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205564436265799731 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 06a11e36654dbc8aeaf7ce701c6f92909bbe4ca9 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs16753wrc; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.93.15 with SMTP id v15mr891131nfl; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k24si1370893nfc.2006.06.07.14.47.12; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo5pZ-00035B-SS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:44:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo5pY-000352-R1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:44:48 +0100 Received: from grunt14.ihug.co.nz ([203.109.254.61]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fo5pV-0005vF-4k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:44:48 +0100 Received: from 203-109-218-163.bliink.ihug.co.nz (athlon1200) [203.109.218.163] by grunt14.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1Fo5pN-0004Z2-00; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:44:38 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.8.2/357]); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:43:44 +1200 Message-ID: <0b7401c68a7b$73308d10$7900a8c0@athlon1200> From: "Dave Brown" To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:43:44 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.187,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: BBC 198kHz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5168 It would be interesting to have the details of the frequency measuring setup for the stations measuring with the 1 Hz error. Is there a common factor? DaveB, ZL3FJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 8:46 AM Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: BBC 198kHz > Hi Peter, > > I have carried out the same comparisons again ie. 60KHz, 75KHz & > 77.5KHz > against 198KHz & BBC 198KHz is 1Hz high, tested at 2035z. Could > there be an > error in respect of the frequency difference in the receivers band > set up > although I believe the range is in the same band on my JRC NRD-345. > When > compared with DFC39 (accuracy of this station not known to me) there > is a > difference of 0.5Hz. Is there another accurate signal nearer 198KHz > with > which to compare? > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Peter > Martinez > Sent: 07 June 2006 21:20 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: RE: BBC 198kHz > > > From G3PLX: > > On seeing the report of Droitwich being off frequency, I connected > up my > Clicklock set-up, which enables me to measure off-air signal phase > relative > to GPS. > > I have to run the system with no antenna in order to get Droitwich > low > enough in level, and that makes the measurement a little sensitive > to > disturbances in the shack, but this is a disturbance in both > amplitude and > phase, and it's quite easy to see that the few degrees wobble I am > seeing in > the phase is the same as the wobble in amplitude, and is not due to > a > systematic drift in phase. A random distrbance results in a blob on > the > vectorscope. A frequency error shows as an arc around the origen. > > If it had been 1Hz off, I would have expected to see a change of 360 > degrees > PER SECOND, i.e. a full circle rotating once/sec. All I can see is > a > circular blob about 2% amplitude, and that's over the last 20 > minutes. > > I would say Droitwich is spot-on. Has anyone who saw it off > frequency > checked it again (since 20:00 utc) to see if it's back on frequency? > Was it > off frequency and it's back again, or maybe it was never off. > > 73 > Peter > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.2/357 - Release Date: > 6/06/2006 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.2/357 - Release Date: 6/06/2006 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205564436265799731 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: d12e33a3b5798f48b45f2e255d575f0f0b506e44 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs15967wrc; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.241.20 with SMTP id o20mr883896nfh; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id v20si1333490nfc.2006.06.07.14.30.38; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:30:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo5Zl-0002v6-9t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:28:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo5Zk-0002ux-HI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:28:28 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.139]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fo5Zh-0005bT-IY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:28:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 80459 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 21:28:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.44.101 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 21:28:19 -0000 Message-ID: <009401c68a79$4bd89980$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 22:28:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.756 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5169 Gary try France Inter from Allouis on 162kHz. That is Rb (or Cesium) controlled as well and should be good to parts in 10^10 (of course they will be French parts... :-)) ) My local standard seems to have drifted about 180degrees in the last hour as measured at 1MHz, that's approaching parts in 10^10 but its my local standard that is off !! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary - G4WGT To: Sent: 07 June 2006 21:46 Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: BBC 198kHz > Hi Peter, > > I have carried out the same comparisons again ie. 60KHz, 75KHz & 77.5KHz > against 198KHz & BBC 198KHz is 1Hz high, tested at 2035z. Could there be an > error in respect of the frequency difference in the receivers band set up > although I believe the range is in the same band on my JRC NRD-345. When > compared with DFC39 (accuracy of this station not known to me) there is a > difference of 0.5Hz. Is there another accurate signal nearer 198KHz with > which to compare? > > 73, > > Gary - G4WGT > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Peter Martinez > Sent: 07 June 2006 21:20 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: RE: BBC 198kHz > > > From G3PLX: > > On seeing the report of Droitwich being off frequency, I connected up my > Clicklock set-up, which enables me to measure off-air signal phase relative > to GPS. > > I have to run the system with no antenna in order to get Droitwich low > enough in level, and that makes the measurement a little sensitive to > disturbances in the shack, but this is a disturbance in both amplitude and > phase, and it's quite easy to see that the few degrees wobble I am seeing in > the phase is the same as the wobble in amplitude, and is not due to a > systematic drift in phase. A random distrbance results in a blob on the > vectorscope. A frequency error shows as an arc around the origen. > > If it had been 1Hz off, I would have expected to see a change of 360 degrees > PER SECOND, i.e. a full circle rotating once/sec. All I can see is a > circular blob about 2% amplitude, and that's over the last 20 minutes. > > I would say Droitwich is spot-on. Has anyone who saw it off frequency > checked it again (since 20:00 utc) to see if it's back on frequency? Was it > off frequency and it's back again, or maybe it was never off. > > 73 > Peter > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205651299245759756 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 5367574adb95da78562b189aeeeb73a233547f28 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs27889wrc; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.18.3 with SMTP id 3mr656150hur; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 13:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 2si547884hue.2006.06.08.13.31.17; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 13:31:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FoR6j-0000w1-RZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:27:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FoR6j-0000vs-DG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:27:57 +0100 Received: from smtp1.versatel.nl ([62.58.50.88]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FoR6f-0000N2-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:27:57 +0100 Received: (qmail 749 invoked by uid 0); 8 Jun 2006 20:26:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ibm) ([62.59.190.148]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp1.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 8 Jun 2006 20:26:43 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c68b38$7dd9e820$2102000a@ibm> From: "Dick" To: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 22:15:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.805,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: CW-LF activety weekend JUNE 9-11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5170 Hello all, I will be testing my new 136kHz station this weekend using my own call: PA4VHF (/p) as well as PI4ZUT. All operation will be in 'normal' CW on 136.50kHz +/- QRM , so not QRV in QRSS!! I will try to be QRV on 80m, 3636kHz +/- QRM for comments/skeds etc. The HF-rig is beside the 136kHz RX, so I can operate on both stations in the same time. If you can't hear me on 80m, then please look out for PI4ZUT on the other bands, and ask for 136kHz. Location will be near Laren, east-Netherlands, locator I think JO32EE or so. Equipement: home-made class-D TX, 600Watt input. TX-antenna: 7m high spiral-toploaded vertical seperate RX antenna: large coaxial loop 8x25m or so, depending on space available. RX: AOR AR7030plus, and DSP59+ filter. This weekend is the VERON department 48 fieldday, mainly a social event with BBQ party and so on. Several people from the PA6Z crew will use this weekend to finish and test some antennas, like the 160m vertical. I use it to test the new 136kHz equipement, as well as to demonstrate 136kHz to others, hoping to create/stimulate more activety. It is also a test to see how activety is these days. So, please give me a call, and if you hear me I would appreciate a note in the DX-cluster in order to inform others that I'm on. 73 and CU on 136 Dick, PA4VHF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205925275142971774 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 8c333f268ac277e664b959ae6846cc0dc6c20de7 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs16664wrc; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.225.16 with SMTP id x16mr1363076nfg; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id z73si5653697nfb.2006.06.11.16.29.59; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:30:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FpZJr-0003zI-Eb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:26:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FpZJq-0003z9-Vw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:26:10 +0100 Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FpZJn-0001nJ-6S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:26:10 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id l.432.350ad82 (32913) for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:22:13 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <432.350ad82.31bdffa4@aol.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 19:22:12 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.065,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Re:PA4VHF/p TX problems Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1150068132" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5176 -------------------------------1150068132 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 11/06/2006 21:03:30 GMT Standard Time, knaap159@zonnet.nl writes: So, perhaps I should trow out this core and use an air wound coil to transform 50 to 100-300 Ohm. Any suggestions about size/turns etc, or the use of other core material? 73 Dick, PA4VHF Hello Dick. I wonder if you can just get rid of the transformer? I used a similar system using fishing rods on a trip to France a while ago. The bandwidth was very narrow but I found that a coil tapped near ground for 50 ohms with a variometer and coil on top worked fairly well. Ultimately to get higher current you may need a little more height than 8m. (Wire supported by a tree perhaps?) 73 David MRF -------------------------------1150068132 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 11/06/2006 21:03:30 GMT Standard Time,=20 knaap159@zonnet.nl writes:

So,=20 perhaps I should trow out this core and use an air wound coil to
transf= orm=20 50 to 100-300 Ohm.
Any suggestions about size/turns etc, or the use of=20 other core material?

73

Dick, PA4VHF

Hello Dick.

I wonder if you can just get rid of the transformer?

I used a similar system using fishing rods on a trip to France a while=20= ago.=20 The bandwidth was very narrow but I found that a coil tapped near ground for= 50=20 ohms with a variometer and coil on top worked fairly well. Ultimately=20= to=20 get higher current you may need a little more height than 8m. (Wire supporte= d by=20 a tree perhaps?)

David MRF

-------------------------------1150068132-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205925275142971774 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a75dcd453ccf727677656496feaf446369ec8ad3 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs12974wrc; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.3.20 with SMTP id f20mr2543198nfi; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id g1si5796029nfe.2006.06.11.14.06.01; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:06:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FpX4L-0003g0-W1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:02:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FpX4L-0003fr-Fi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:02:01 +0100 Received: from smtp2.versatel.nl ([62.58.50.89]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FpX4I-0000CH-OR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:02:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 8493 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2006 21:01:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ibm) ([62.59.190.52]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp2.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 11 Jun 2006 21:01:48 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c68d98$e2fe4d60$2102000a@ibm> From: "Dick" To: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 22:51:21 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.131,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: Re:PA4VHF/p TX problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5177 First off all thanks to Mal and James for picking up my signals. Thanks Alan for your comments. Well, I did tune the system with the help of a low power TX before running high power. I think the problem might be caused by the step up transformer I used to go from 50 to 150 Ohm, before coupling into the vario meter. So, this was the set-up , maybe someone point out a possible trouble-source: TX--about 2m of aircell 7 coax, followed by an step up transformer on a large ring core N30 material, (epcos core N30, R58, with 2mm CU-wire) one end of the transformer is grounded to the groundstakes/some radials, there is a fixed tap at 16 turns which is the 50 Ohm input. Then the turns continious, and I can choose output taps at 20, 23, 26, 29, 32 and 36 turns. >From this point the transformer feeds the variometer (1.2-2.3mH) and on top of the variometer is the large coil with several taps 2-8mH. Antenna: 8meter multi strand wire 4mm diameter, then a spiral coil, diameter 1meter, 400uH, followed by a top load: 16 wires, each about 1 meter long, and 4 toploading wires 10m each. There was certainly an amount of RF on the 4 topload wires, one of them touched an tree with some nice sparks etc as a result, and a drop in RF-field (solved this problem later) Luckely the tree didn't catch fire........ An practical problem is that the variometer and big loading coil are in a sperate box, and it is not possible to change their position. (using the big loading coil as first coil, tapping the coax on it......) The problem might be core saturation, because when I switched the TX to more output, the antenna current didn't change much. Doubling the output changed the antenna current from 0.9A to 1.2A or so. I first thought there was something wrong with the meter ciruit (1A or 5A full scale), because wasn't able to push the meter above roughly 1A in the 5A scale (1A scale was end-stop......) Yesterday after 30 minutes CQ-ing in the evening I found out that the step up transformer core was very hot (couldn't touch it.......) So, perhaps I should trow out this core and use an air wound coil to transform 50 to 100-300 Ohm. Any suggestions about size/turns etc, or the use of other core material? 73 Dick, PA4VHF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206107318059016128 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: befa2ca621778a1dc9f888625f123176efaff252 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs3554wrc; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:19:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.213.1 with SMTP id l1mr6181130nfg; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k24si204837nfc.2006.06.13.14.19.31; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FqGEp-0008DD-Ts for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:15:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FqGEp-0008D4-Cp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:15:51 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.140]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FqGEl-000349-Fc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:15:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 54033 invoked from network); 13 Jun 2006 21:15:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?213.122.35.247?) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.35.247 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jun 2006 21:15:41 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.8.4/363]); Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:13:19 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c68f2e$3212d380$f7237ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <001501c68a76$9c02c8c0$0200a8c0@AUG2004> <4487EB8A.27171.B415B8@localhost> <7.0.1.0.1.20060608082442.019be388@magma.ca> <003d01c68b06$d84b0e60$0300a8c0@lark> <7.0.1.0.1.20060608110701.01abbf60@magma.ca> <007101c68f0f$d0c34f60$2a870d54@traceydlqceh0p> Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 22:13:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.048 Subject: LF: Re: W&G SPM0 Documentation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5178 Dear Tracey, Yes... It is about 60 A4 pages worth (but a lot of A3 fold - out sheets). I can see about doing a copy if you like - it usually costs me 5p per A4 sheet Cheers,Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: Tracey Gardner To: Sent: Tuesday, June 13, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: LF: W&G SPM0 Documentation? > I've just acquired a couple of W&G SPM-30 Level Meters, but I'm having > difficulty in locating any documentation for them. > I've located an operating manual but I'm really after the Appedix/Service > Manual. > Can anybody on the list help with either a copy or where I could buy one? > > Many thanks > > Tracey > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/361 - Release Date: 11/06/2006 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205905369078439211 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 395d0a22651f987febe2017dbb788e50ffd87a12 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs2363wrc; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.65.12 with SMTP id s12mr4087250nfk; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c28si5578940nfb.2006.06.11.08.49.38; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FpS8K-0003Di-3V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:45:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FpS8J-0003DZ-Lr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:45:47 +0100 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FpS8F-0006LK-Tk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:45:47 +0100 Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1FpS8F-0003Fv-02; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:45:43 +0200 Received: from HW1 (EqKRfsZ6QekXVotm-bsP1oQyxpXcdzA8JvO-8e8t4cAt3wsjhe45wO@[84.133.121.230]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1FpS8C-2IApm40; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:45:40 +0200 Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:45:40 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1510589369.20060611174540@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: EqKRfsZ6QekXVotm-bsP1oQyxpXcdzA8JvO-8e8t4cAt3wsjhe45wO X-TOI-MSGID: db1910aa-14cf-4bae-843a-25ce38b48e83 X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.856 Subject: LF: T/A June, 11th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5179 Captured only a few lines of the WD2XES WOLF10 transmission about 02:00. No activity in the QRSS TA-window noted. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm 73 Hartmut www.h-wolff.de Locator: JO52hp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205805453018367434 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: dcf429bdf289c3c6e95964b1c35e6f5bc50ea6a7 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs46462wrc; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 06:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.7.1 with SMTP id k1mr3108533nfi; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 06:21:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id n22si4372756nfc.2006.06.10.06.21.30; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 06:21:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fp3Lt-0007p9-7c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:18:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fp3Ls-0007p0-I6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:18:08 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fp3Lo-0007Fq-9N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:18:08 +0100 Received: (qmail 14863 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2006 13:17:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?213.122.32.119?) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.32.119 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Jun 2006 13:17:58 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.8.3/360]); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:15:38 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01c68c8f$f77b4220$77207ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <000b01c68c75$02902060$2102000a@ibm> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 14:15:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.118 Subject: LF: Re: 136.5kHz CW activety Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5180 Dear Dick, Have heard a sporadic weak carrier about S3 or 4 on 136.5 during the last few hours... I guess that must be you. I have to go out now, so will be QRV again this evening. Good luck getting everything working! Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: Dick To: Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2006 11:02 AM Subject: LF: 136.5kHz CW activety > Hello all, > > just a short mesage about my 136kHz activety. > > Antenna is up and working, but problems with new TX protection circuit, some > flash overs in output circuit > and also destroyed my LF SWR meter........ > At present time I am able to run about 500W input with the old TX. > Antenna current around 1Ampere. > > I have problems to be QRV on 80m.......so activety will be purely random. > > Working frequency will always be 136.50kHz, so please keep your RX onm this > QRG. > > I will try to be QRV on 144.300MHz SSB today afternoon/evening direction DL > with callsign PI4ZUT > looking also for posible skeds on 136.5kHz. > > Have to go back to the fieldday QTH now..... > > > 73 Dick, PA4VHF > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206324052885744639 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 97cff5a0b079f7d492db8194045179714b7ed1ce Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs23385wrc; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:46:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.248.14 with SMTP id v14mr21395nfh; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:40:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id g1si1624371nfe.2006.06.15.23.44.25; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:44:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fr810-00052D-UT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:41:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fr810-000524-BH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:41:10 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.197]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fr80x-000667-ID for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 07:41:10 +0100 Received: (qmail 29419 invoked from network); 16 Jun 2006 06:41:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.158.40 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 Jun 2006 06:41:01 -0000 Message-ID: <002101c6910f$d5868e20$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <44894231.30866.D42969@localhost><00b601c68baa$e8cf78d0$26180d54@traceydlqceh0p> <44894CF9.4080102@usa.net><4491E6FB.2020705@usa.net> <20060616022030.coqaz7zeo7y8wgw8@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 06:41:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.173 Subject: LF: Re: PAs Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5184 >From G3PLX: Uwe: I am not an expert on LF power-amplifiers (I worked on 10kW HF power-amplifiers 40 years ago but not recently), but it looks to me that the voltage and current waveforms of your home-brew PA have some harmonics. I took the image of the homebrew waveform and did a mirror-image (flip vertically) then superimposed it on the original. This shows clearly that the voltage waveform has different rising and falling slopes, which means there is some even-order harmonic present. Maybe this is due to some unbalance between the two halves of a push-pull circuit. The current waveform is more confused but that is probably because the harmonic currents are higher. This is some effect of the low-pass filtering and the antenna tuning. There is also some broadening of the scope trace at some parts of the waveform, which shows there is some signal there which is not harmonically-related. It could be HF/VHF parasitic oscillation, but it's not possible to tell from the scope trace for sure. It could be just some power-line-frequency effect. Only a spectrum analyser could show this properly, but you may get a clue if you can hook the scope ahead of the PA low-pass filter. If this broadening of the trace is worse here, it may mean that there is some HF parasitic oscillation. 73 Peter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205605138917007965 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: ddb20ddab0eb22e3554ea164fd22572425c5df9e Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs17583wrc; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 01:17:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.39.7 with SMTP id r7mr1219394nfj; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 01:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h1si1829191nfe.2006.06.08.01.17.35; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 01:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FoFb7-0005Go-4O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:10:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FoFb6-0005Gf-HL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:10:32 +0100 Received: from olympus.pncl.co.uk ([195.224.180.233] helo=olive.pncl.co.uk) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FoFb2-0004uv-Ai for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 09:10:32 +0100 Received: from AUG2004 (cpc2-leat1-0-0-cust386.hers.cable.ntl.com [86.3.121.131]) (authenticated bits=0) by olive.pncl.co.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k588AnU4004191 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:10:49 +0100 Message-ID: <003501c68ad2$f8c122d0$0200a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 09:10:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Pinnacle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Pinnacle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: blanch@pncl.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.048,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: LF BC Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0032_01C68ADB.56465A80" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5185 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C68ADB.56465A80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My contact at NPL has just told me their H-maser monitor shows 198 is = within parts in 10-12=20 and their records show nothing unusual has happened in the last few = days. =20 As Peter has pointed out, 1 Hz off is an enormous shift and would cause = all sorts of red lights to flash.=20 Perhaps correspondents could indicate how they're measuring these = alleged shifts. BTW, the exact freq. of Allouis used to be 163.84 kHz (divide by 5 =3D = 32768, clever, eh?) has it now given up powers of 2 and changed permanently to 162 kHz? Walter G3JKV. ------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C68ADB.56465A80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

My contact at NPL has just told = me their=20 H-maser monitor shows 198 is within parts in 10-12

and their records show = nothing unusual has=20 happened in the last few days.

As Peter has pointed out, 1 Hz off is = an enormous=20 shift and would cause all sorts of red lights

to flash.

Perhaps correspondents could = indicate how=20 they're measuring these alleged shifts.

BTW, the exact freq. of = Allouis used to=20 be 163.84 kHz (divide by 5 =3D 32768, clever, eh?)

has it now given up powers of 2 and = changed=20 permanently to 162 kHz?

Walter G3JKV.

------=_NextPart_000_0032_01C68ADB.56465A80-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206053637804268954 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 0b9e5f44adb34583994a19af896042f01cc4e48c Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs11071wrc; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.58.9 with SMTP id l9mr5565243nfk; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a23si7308189nfc.2006.06.13.00.06.18; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 00:06:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fq2pa-0006oj-1H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:56:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fq2pZ-0006oa-M5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:56:53 +0100 Received: from smtp5.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.26]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fq2pW-0001Yc-PC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 07:56:53 +0100 Received: from john-b5a82ea1a4 (Mix-Dijon-114-3-10.w193-249.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.249.232.10]) by mwinf0504.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 460261C00176; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:56:34 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060613065634286.460261C00176@mwinf0504.orange.fr Message-ID: <200606130856140933.23F19BC2@smtp.wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 08:56:14 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: lowfer@lwca.org, lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.362,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376 Subject: LF: Re: [LW] 9V operation Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5192 On 12/06/2006 at 21:06 Howell, L wrote: [ ... ] >driving to Houston >then Seattle (!) That should bring the battery back to 14V again. 73 John F5VLF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207254327135623894 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: d21cf30f5703699c09b392fd25ffd8523c47f52f Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs139013qbh; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 06:10:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.140.17 with SMTP id n17mr2110618hud; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 06:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 15si1582806hui.2006.06.26.06.10.44; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 06:10:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FuqoA-0005oH-6h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:07:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fuqo9-0005o8-D7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:07:17 +0100 Received: from f1phy.netins.net ([167.142.228.65] helo=cgp.netins.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fuqo5-000618-1Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 14:07:17 +0100 X-netINS-McAfee: scanned Received: from [167.142.32.56] (HELO homehmkh4yu192) by cgpf1.cgp.netins.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.10) with ESMTP id 981639511 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:07:11 -0500 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tom_Gruis=2C_EdD=2C_K=D8HTF?= To: Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 08:06:58 -0500 Message-ID: <006101c69921$6bfa63e0$4200a8c0@homehmkh4yu192> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 In-Reply-To: <005801c69920$097fee20$4200a8c0@homehmkh4yu192> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.433,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: RE: RE: Gardener required... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0062_01C698F7.83245BE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60, HTML_FONTCOLOR_UNKNOWN,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5197 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C698F7.83245BE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Make the 1360 for KHAK=85. =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Tom Gruis, EdD, K=D8HTF Sent: Monday, June 26, 2006 07:57 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Gardener required... =20 Hell, all. =20 I used to a lot or broadcast work and it was sometimes quite = an issue regarding the plants surrounding the towers. One station was the = olde KCBC in Des Moines, IA on 1390 Kc., as it was in those days. It was a 1 = kw 4 tower array and being in Iowa it was surrounded on 3 or 4 sides with a cornfield. Enough said. =20 Another station was KHAK, 1350, 1 kw, 4 tower daytimes in = Cedar Rapids, about 130 miles east and a bit north. You could look at the = phase monitor and see it moving a few degrees and the current varying. It = started suddenly and I found the trouble within a day: a field mouse nest in the de-coupling coil in the lighting system for the NW tower.=20 =20 Way back when a station in, I think I was told, the town of Watertown, South Dakota installed a new station on the tallest point of = a building. As the engineer tuned the tower each nigh during testing all = was excellent. On the morning of sign on, with many dignitaries present the station was hard to keep on the air =96 antenna problems. The reason: = during business hours the elevator shat house was where the antenna was = installed and there was the piston tuning and folk had the nerve to use the = =91vator. =20 73, =20 Doc. =20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 05:01 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Gardener required... =20 Dear LF Group, =20 I suspected I was getting behind with the weeding (see attachment) - = that explains the erratic antenna current! =20 BTW - strong QRSS "Test" signal from G3XIZ on 137.686 this morning =20 Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C698F7.83245BE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Make the 1360 for = KHAK….

-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Tom Gruis, EdD, = K=D8HTF
Sent: Monday, June 26, = 2006 07:57
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: Gardener required...

Hell, = all.

= ; I used to a lot or broadcast work and it was sometimes quite an issue = regarding the plants surrounding the towers. One station was the olde KCBC in Des = Moines, IA on 1390 Kc., as it was in those days. It was a 1 kw 4 tower array and = being in Iowa it was surrounded on 3 or 4 sides with a cornfield. Enough = said.

= ; Another station was KHAK, 1350, 1 kw, 4 tower daytimes in Cedar Rapids, = about 130 miles east and a bit north. You could look at the phase monitor and = see it moving a few degrees and the current varying. It started suddenly and I = found the trouble within a day: a field mouse nest in the de-coupling coil in = the lighting system for the NW tower.

= ; Way back when a station in, I think I was told, the town of Watertown, = South Dakota installed a new station on the tallest point of a building. As = the engineer tuned the tower each nigh during testing all was excellent. On = the morning of sign on, with many dignitaries present the station was hard = to keep on the air – antenna problems. The reason: during business hours = the elevator shat house was where the antenna was installed and there was = the piston tuning and folk had the nerve to use the = ‘vator.

73,=

Doc.

-----Original = Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org = [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz
Sent: Sunday, June 25, = 2006 05:01
To: = rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Gardener = required...

Dear LF = Group,

I suspected I was = getting behind with the weeding (see attachment) - that explains the erratic = antenna current!

BTW - strong QRSS = "Test" signal from G3XIZ on 137.686 this morning

Cheers, Jim = Moritz

73 de = M0BMU

------=_NextPart_000_0062_01C698F7.83245BE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206430917685374331 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: eae085c2bfa7776859f57c1f811cabde808173d3 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs5752wrc; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:03:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.95.11 with SMTP id x11mr2739300nfl; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c28si3246421nfb.2006.06.17.04.03.00; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 04:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FrYSu-0007Oq-M6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:55:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FrYSu-0007Oh-7f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:55:44 +0100 Received: from gemini.smart.net ([66.225.112.69]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FrYSp-00061E-SP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:55:44 +0100 Received: from HOST (core-balt-5-8.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [209.163.120.8]) by gemini.smart.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k5HAtWEe010033 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 06:55:33 -0400 Message-ID: <000301c691fc$918beb50$0100a8c0@HOST> From: "chastant" To: References: <44931873.2080200@w1tag.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 06:55:36 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.726 Subject: LF: Re: XES WOLF Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5198 2006-06-17 01:48:55 >WOLF10 -r 8000 -f 577 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 t: 24 f: 0.591 a: 0.1 dp: 67.3 ci: 1 cj:368 .M3XLXC UUUNRZ0 ? t: 48 f: 0.361 a: 1.1 dp: 64.9 ci: 4 cj:177 ZNB???3T QW3Y0H ? t: 96 f: 0.087 a:-1.3 dp: 62.6 ci: 6 cj:169 LG/9/WHDW7*9YI1 ? t: 192 f: 0.137 pm:5.242 jm:419 q: -1.7 -1.3 W D 2 X E S 577 - t: 288 f: 0.137 pm:11.11 jm:419 q: 1.4 1.4 W D 2 X E S 577 - t: 384 f: 0.137 pm:14.77 jm:419 q: 2.8 2.7 W D 2 X E S 577 - t: 480 f: 0.137 pm:21.31 jm:419 q: 4.7 4.2 W D 2 X E S 577 - t: 576 f: 0.137 pm:29.72 jm:419 q: 6.6 6.3 W D 2 X E S 577 - t: 672 f: 0.137 pm:37.80 jm:419 q: 7.7 7.4 W D 2 X E S 577 - t: 768 f: 0.137 pm:45.88 jm:419 q: 8.1 7.9 W D 2 X E S 577 - t: 864 f: 0.137 pm:51.67 jm:419 q: 8.5 8.3 W D 2 X E S 577 - t: 960 f: 0.137 pm:56.82 jm:419 q: 9.4 9.3 W D 2 X E S 577 - t:1056 f: 0.137 pm:61.62 jm:419 q: 10.1 9.8 W D 2 X E S 577 - t:1152 f: 0.137 pm:68.92 jm:419 q: 10.6 10.2 W D 2 X E S 577 - t:1248 f: 0.137 pm:73.29 jm:419 q: 10.8 10.5 W D 2 X E S 577 - t:1344 f: 0.137 pm:75.61 jm:419 q: 11.4 11.2 W D 2 X E S 577 - t:1440 f: 0.137 pm:76.76 jm:419 q: 11.9 11.7 W D 2 X E S 577 - t:1536 f: 0.137 pm:78.65 jm:418 q: 12.5 12.5 W D 2 X E S 577 - t:1632 f: 0.137 pm:82.39 jm:418 q: 12.4 12.4 W D 2 X E S 577 - t:1728 f: 0.137 pm:86.84 jm:418 q: 12.8 12.7 W D 2 X E S 577 - t:1824 f: 0.137 pm:93.55 jm:418 q: 13.2 13.0 W D 2 X E S 577 - de Lloyd W3NF last nite ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: ; Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 4:45 PM Subject: LF: XES WOLF Tonight > WD2XES will be running WOLF (10) on 137.577 kHz tonight, starting around > 2300 UTC. Reports are welcome. > > John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205740448423034182 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: d3c4ac55c12a650bff9a573724c8bbc9b978e5da Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs37984wrc; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.2.11 with SMTP id e11mr3063808nfi; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k23si4155153nfc.2006.06.10.01.25.51; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:25:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Foyl3-0006vQ-Fp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:23:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Foyl3-0006vH-44 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:23:49 +0100 Received: from mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49] helo=mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Foykz-0006AL-5j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:23:49 +0100 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060610081955.BLSH27969.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:19:55 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([82.10.67.170]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060610081955.EJBC19763.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:19:55 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:19:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <448A8EB0.4479.1246EA@localhost> In-reply-to: <01ff01c68c00$0ae53540$26180d54@traceydlqceh0p> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.740,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: TS850 Tuning Upgrader Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5199 Ah, that's just what I need. Many thanks. Mike, G3XDV ========== On 9 Jun 2006 at 21:05, Tracey Gardner wrote: > Hi Mike > > You can get the tuning upgrader from here, > > http://www.qth.com/irsd/mods-upgrades.html#tuning > > I've got one on order at the moment > > 73s Tracey > > > > Yes, quite right. I managed to find the 1Hz steps but you need a > > steady hand as the TS-850 dial on 'Fine' is 1kHz/rev (ie 1Hz steps > > are about 0.3 degrees of turn!). For info, the IC-706 has 200Hz/rev > > as one of its standard settings. > > > > I looked in the handbook and on the web for the tuning rate mod you > > mentioned, but couldn't find anything. Any ideas? > > > > Mike, G3XDV > > ========== > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/358 - Release Date: > 07/06/2006 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205740448423034182 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 66ce0ee5a4a0afbc6b7b5cf8a7e16839bda99de5 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs16247wrc; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 13:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.39.7 with SMTP id r7mr2679923nfj; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q28si3600186nfc.2006.06.09.13.08.17; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 13:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FonFP-0004xV-Ll for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 21:06:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FonFO-0004xI-VD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 21:06:23 +0100 Received: from smtp.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.121]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FonFJ-0008Vu-OA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 21:06:22 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO traceydlqceh0p) (84.13.24.38) by smtp.talktalk.net with ESMTP; 09 Jun 2006 21:05:13 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.8.3/358]); Fri, 09 Jun 2006 21:05:23 +0100 Message-ID: <01ff01c68c00$0ae53540$26180d54@traceydlqceh0p> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <4489BCC5.30307.136B3AF@localhost> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 21:05:23 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.039 Subject: LF: TS850 Tuning Upgrader Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5200 Hi Mike You can get the tuning upgrader from here, http://www.qth.com/irsd/mods-upgrades.html#tuning I've got one on order at the moment 73s Tracey > Yes, quite right. I managed to find the 1Hz steps but you need a > steady hand as the TS-850 dial on 'Fine' is 1kHz/rev (ie 1Hz steps > are about 0.3 degrees of turn!). For info, the IC-706 has 200Hz/rev > as one of its standard settings. > > I looked in the handbook and on the web for the tuning rate mod you > mentioned, but couldn't find anything. Any ideas? > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/358 - Release Date: 07/06/2006 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206164182186994802 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 1193c70ad3abb86ead9defb1dae2ce78f4ad0309 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs4650wrc; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.116.8 with SMTP id o8mr667116wxc; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i35si524808wxd.2006.06.14.05.23.19; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 05:23:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FqUKH-0001Mm-Jx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:18:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FqUKH-0001Md-6k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:18:25 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FqUKD-0005fo-Eh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:18:25 +0100 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1FqUGR-0002aB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:14:27 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1FqUGQ-0000Jk-9r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:14:26 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:14:25 +0100 Message-ID: <000501c68fac$13dceb70$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <010701c68fa6$ea13d830$258a0d54@traceydlqceh0p> X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-Information: X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.984 Subject: LF: RE: W&G SPM0 Documentation? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5213 And my apologies also! I just hit the "reply" button instead of = selecting Tracey's own e-mail address. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU=20 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Tracey Gardner Sent: 14 June 2006 12:37 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: W&G SPM0 Documentation? Sorry folks, my last message was meant to go direct to Jim and not the = list. 73s Tracey From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205099780011335433 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 1a6d65563b1c66623ad0716d109439d625c1230f Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs3522wrc; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.68.13 with SMTP id v13mr996072nfk; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p43si2678116nfa.2006.06.02.11.25.08; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:25:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FmEHz-00089N-Ox for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:22:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FmEHz-00089E-DK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:22:27 +0100 Received: from smtp2.versatel.nl ([62.58.50.89]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FmEHw-0005Ys-PG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 19:22:27 +0100 Received: (qmail 709 invoked by uid 0); 2 Jun 2006 18:21:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ibm) ([62.59.190.14]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp2.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 2 Jun 2006 18:21:13 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c6866f$fd0fc9c0$2102000a@ibm> From: "Dick" To: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 20:10:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.170,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: LF activety..please add TX/ANT info Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5215 Hello all, Very interesting to see the QRSS activety around, like from the PA3's. It would be interesting to know what power and antenna are used by stations, so please add this info when announcing (QRSS) LF activety. By the way, will be active in normal CW myself next weekend june 10/11 73 Dick, PA4VHF (JO32EG) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205092757974924325 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: db28c3abf92bbfe7063e311f724715b7e8198e7c Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs23786wrc; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.91.12 with SMTP id t12mr888756nfl; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id n22si2582643nfc.2006.06.02.09.33.31; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FmCWt-0007fx-8b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:29:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FmCWs-0007fo-R5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:29:42 +0100 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.co.uk ([193.252.22.157] helo=smtp2.freeserve.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FmCWo-0006z6-0z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:29:42 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3114.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 85E23580008D for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:29:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from youry0mkaz8jaq (user-4173.l6.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.66.112.77]) by mwinf3114.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 5534A580008A for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:29:32 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060602162932349.5534A580008A@mwinf3114.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <001501c68661$ba91e0f0$4d704254@youry0mkaz8jaq> From: "Martin Evans" To: References: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:29:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: RE: PA3CPM & PA3FNY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5220 Thank you Victor. That is very helpful You have a very good signal into South West Wales. 73 Martin GW3UCJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor van kooten" To: Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 5:26 PM Subject: LF: RE: PA3CPM & PA3FNY > Hello Martin, > > the frequency of PA3CPM is 136317,7 Hz +/- 0,5 HZ,my own frequency is > 136319,1 Hz +/- 0,1 Hz.Hopefully this will help you, > > 73, > > Victor > PA3FNY > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Martin Evans > Verzonden: vrijdag 2 juni 2006 18:14 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: PA3CPM & PA3FNY > > CPM is again O with dogbones. > > FNY is a solid O. > > Could anyone give me exact frequencies of these two stations so that I can > set my receiver calibration correctly, please? > > I currently make them 137.71943 and 137.71803. > > Martin GW3UCJ > > 20km North of Swansea, South Wales > > IO1CR > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.0/353 - Release Date: 31/05/2006 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206380882369571594 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 00ce4ae8587f26dd39f0f8d91b6cd3c4dfb34b80 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs6599wrc; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.1.14 with SMTP id d14mr1246550nfi; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k24si2526170nfc.2006.06.16.14.47.42; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 14:47:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FrM6q-0006Yh-VI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:44:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FrM6q-0006YY-FB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:44:08 +0100 Received: from mxsf28.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.228]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FrM6m-00044a-LA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 22:44:08 +0100 Received: from mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.133]) by mxsf28.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5GLhv8r030303 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:43:57 -0400 Received: from 24-177-53-244.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([24.177.53.244]) by mxip03a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 16 Jun 2006 17:43:57 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,144,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="267597144:sNHT22134042" Message-ID: <44931873.2080200@w1tag.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:45:39 +0100 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "lowfer@lwca.org" , "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.603 Subject: LF: XES WOLF Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5222 WD2XES will be running WOLF (10) on 137.577 kHz tonight, starting around 2300 UTC. Reports are welcome. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205196747743156001 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: da8957e74ce1c39170be07fb4d1962f065e668a9 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs40736wrc; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.91.12 with SMTP id t12mr1846592nfl; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l21si3759240nfc.2006.06.03.13.06.23; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:06:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FmcM1-000302-JV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:04:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FmcM0-0002zt-U0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:04:12 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([216.148.227.154]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FmcLw-0002HY-0Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:04:12 +0100 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-71-234-114-84.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[71.234.114.84]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060603200318m14007qo4ce>; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 20:03:23 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c68748$c4ccf7c0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: References: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 16:03:17 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.140 Subject: LF: Re: qrss60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5224 Victor Ran captures last night but saw nothing. Will try again tonight. Jay, W1VD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor van kooten" To: "blacksheep" Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 3:10 PM Subject: LF: qrss60 > This evening we will transmit again qrss60 > > 73 > > PA3CPM 136318 Hz > PA3FNY 136319 Hz > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206156875963963435 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 69264ed44df4ec7ac418763f58558aa7e7348ae4 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs1971wrc; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 03:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.68.16 with SMTP id q16mr590468wxa; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 03:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i15si411131wxd.2006.06.14.03.27.11; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 03:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FqST9-00012F-8x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:19:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FqST8-000126-6h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:19:26 +0100 Received: from [62.24.128.121] (helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FqST4-0004p3-2S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:19:26 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO traceydlqceh0p) (84.13.138.37) by smtp.talktalk.net with ESMTP; 14 Jun 2006 11:18:18 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.8.3/361]); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:18:20 +0100 Message-ID: <00ea01c68f9b$dc084470$258a0d54@traceydlqceh0p> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <001501c68a76$9c02c8c0$0200a8c0@AUG2004> <4487EB8A.27171.B415B8@localhost> <7.0.1.0.1.20060608082442.019be388@magma.ca> <003d01c68b06$d84b0e60$0300a8c0@lark> <7.0.1.0.1.20060608110701.01abbf60@magma.ca> <007101c68f0f$d0c34f60$2a870d54@traceydlqceh0p> <000b01c68f2e$3212d380$f7237ad5@w4o8m9> Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 11:18:19 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.747,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: Re: W&G SPM0 Documentation? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5225 Hello Jim There are a number of people, who have recently bought SPM30s from an electronic recycling firm in Lancs, who would like a copy of the handbook. Can I make a couple of suggestions? Firstly would it be possible for you to get the copying done at a copying shop and have say ten copies made? Comb binding would also be an advantage. That way we would all be able to get a copy of the original rather than copies of copies. As an alternative, would you be prepared to loan me the manual, with a hefty deposit, so that I could get the copying done? 73s Tracey -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/361 - Release Date: 11/06/2006 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205565978448391817 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 60dbceb674089414fdee56d187a4345f7a49e248 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs20069wrc; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.216.6 with SMTP id o6mr1371011ugg; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k2si1884056ugf.2006.06.08.03.08.15; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FoHNI-0005za-E0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:04:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FoHNH-0005zR-V1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:04:24 +0100 Received: from mailfe10.swip.net ([212.247.155.33] helo=swip.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FoHND-00074k-LA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 11:04:23 +0100 X-T2-Posting-ID: 7tTLvD67BptoA2C1rjPWBw== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Received: from [213.101.40.118] ([213.101.40.118] verified) by mailfe10.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.8) with ESMTP id 41806904 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:04:13 +0200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.8.1/355]); Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:04:15 +0200 Message-ID: <4487F601.3040300@tele2.se> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:03:45 +0200 From: Johan Bodin User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009401c68a79$4bd89980$0300a8c0@lark> <001501c68a7c$b71c97c0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <001501c68a7c$b71c97c0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.300 Subject: Re: LF: RE: BBC 198kHz Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5226 Peter Martinez wrote: > Checking across the LW band, most of them seem to be some fraction of a > Hz off. The Danish station on 243kHz is "quite" spot on (as is their 1062kHz medium wave TX). These transmitters are said to be checked against some national danish standard and should be within 10E-10 or better. I am at (strong) groundwave distance from the TX and I compared the 243 carrier against a Shera style GPSDO a few years ago. The phase moved around slowly, just a few degrees in many hours. The error was probably on my side because of varying temperature, a "finite cost OCXO", and servo loop time constant of many hours ;-) A nice thing about the 243 carrier, as opposed to many other BC LF carriers, is that it is not wobbled by any phase modulation. Unfortunately, both transmitters, 243 and 1062, will go QRT permanently by the end of the year :-( 73 Johan SM6LKM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 2006-06-02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205565978448391817 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 61326469b1237f936604a5a1c16f07b39f718d2c Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs17050wrc; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:55:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.241.20 with SMTP id o20mr898761nfh; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q27si1375112nfc.2006.06.07.14.55.09; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:55:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo5xR-0003CK-46 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:52:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo5xQ-0003CB-O9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:52:56 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.141]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fo5xN-00060j-JR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 22:52:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 16944 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 21:52:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.158.123 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 21:52:48 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c68a7c$b71c97c0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <009401c68a79$4bd89980$0300a8c0@lark> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 21:52:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.186 Subject: LF: RE: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5227 >From G3PLX: Checking across the LW band, most of them seem to be some fraction of a Hz off. On 162 there's one which is spot on, but another about 0.32Hz high. I don;t know which is which, but certainly the lower of the two is spot on. Closer to 198, there's a German one on 207 that's spot on. The worst one is the Irish one on 252, which is 1.73Hz low. When I say spot on, I mean that I can't see any significant phase rotation over a few minutes, relative to the 1Hz output of my GPS, so that's within a few mHz or so. The system I use relies on the RF harmonics of the rising edge of the 1Hz reference output of my GPS, which gives a click when fed straight into the receiver antenna. DSP software locks to the RF phase of this and I can then measure the RF phase of any incoming signal relative to that, completely independently of any drift or inaccuracy in anything else in the shack. So long as the GPS is working and I can trust it, it's a true phase comparison (i.e. a frequency comparison) made at the antenna input of the receiver. 73 Peter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205280904722868805 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 9c67a99c126f0a768ce79130e8b92c45262bfcc8 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs236wrc; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.30.3 with SMTP id d3mr2549277nfd; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p45si1859432nfa.2006.06.04.11.24.02; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:24:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fmx84-0005x1-GQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:15:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fmx84-0005ws-3Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:15:12 +0100 Received: from olympus.pncl.co.uk ([195.224.180.233] helo=olive.pncl.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fmx80-0004ca-Cz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:15:12 +0100 Received: from AUG2004 (cpc2-leat1-0-0-cust386.hers.cable.ntl.com [86.3.121.131]) (authenticated bits=0) by olive.pncl.co.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k54IEmAe003555 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 19:14:56 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c68802$b44dfd80$0200a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: References: <001101c6817e$4d9dafc0$2101a8c0@whitehead1> <001001c68263$71d5ad80$fe78a8c0@W1KW> <4479C3AA.7020104@freenet.de> <003501c68270$7fbc9050$fe78a8c0@W1KW> <005201c68335$ab37bd20$045bfea9@d4f8d8> <003801c68700$c8f09e80$045bfea9@d4f8d8> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 19:14:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 X-Pinnacle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Pinnacle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: blanch@pncl.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.016 Subject: LF: Re: Experimental MF Beacon test - Update Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5228 Andy, Recvd here (IO91UF) all afternoon 5/7 on my 1.2m mobile 160m whip in car while driving around locally. About 4-5 steps down to disappear. Cheers, Walter G3JKV. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Talbot" To: ; Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 12:28 PM Subject: LF: Experimental MF Beacon test - Update >I have now increased the power of this beacon to 10 Watts. It uses a clone > of the PA designed for GB3ORK (described in RadComic last year) based > around > an MRF137 operating in class AB1. > > As this is the weekend and I'm at home 24/7, it will run continuously as > an > attended beacon. > > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 2006-06-02 > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205240697395595050 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 8372db0b2b90d7eec08ec68bb7e69677c567010c Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs53389wrc; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 00:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.67.7 with SMTP id u7mr3312368nfk; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 00:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y24si4114523nfb.2006.06.04.00.44.57; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 00:44:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FmnFA-0005Jq-V8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 08:41:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FmnFA-0005Jh-Gy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 08:41:52 +0100 Received: from smtp2.versatel.nl ([62.58.50.89]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FmnF7-0006IL-SE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 08:41:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 24005 invoked by uid 0); 4 Jun 2006 07:40:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ibm) ([62.59.190.165]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp2.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 4 Jun 2006 07:40:36 -0000 Message-ID: <000f01c687a8$d28dc640$2102000a@ibm> From: "Dick" To: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:27:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.154,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: HF talk-back frequency? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5231 Hello all, I wonder if there is any talk-back/sked frequency on HF (160, 80 or 40m) for 136kHz experiments. Might be usefull next weekend during my 136kHz tests. 73 Dick, PA4VHF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205424953418080780 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 6e52b076c90819e9251251ebba82250d8bd65141 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs3338wrc; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 01:33:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.39.19 with SMTP id r19mr5104282nfj; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 01:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i1si6154695nfe.2006.06.06.01.33.38; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 01:33:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnWxy-0005GP-6h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:31:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnWxx-0005GG-MX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:31:09 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnWxu-0006Lr-Jg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:31:09 +0100 Received: (qmail 76530 invoked from network); 6 Jun 2006 08:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.158.75 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Jun 2006 08:31:00 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c68943$8a7cd9d0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <20060530.162529.3712.0.riese-k3djc@juno.com> <006201c68941$b26ff8c0$c21686d4@captbrian> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 08:31:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.200 Subject: LF: Re: meaning of 55 ? was how to do Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5232 >From G3PLX: Bryan: The story, as I heard it from a Polish old timer, was that during the last war, in countries occupied by the Hitler regime, it was decreed that telegraph and radio operators were to sign-off their traffic with skeds with the signal 'HH' meaning, of course, 'Heil Hitler'. Some of the operators, possibly with a hint of disrespect to the regime, corrupted this to '55', that is, by adding an extra dot to each letter. I suppose this was a way of not being seen to support the regime, or maybe it was a sort of two-fingered salute. However, you will see lists of morse abbreviations in which 55 is associated with the same list of abbreviations from which 73 and 88 are derived, and the meaning of 55 is stated as 'Good luck' or 'Good fortune'. But the two-digit abbreviations certainly date from pre-radio (landline) days in the U.S.A. and I don't think 55 is in any of those old lists, so my guess is that it had crept into amateur radio from it's war-time usage, and it's 'HH' origens have been forgotten. 73 Peter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207405171312521552 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 483203bc205dd81d480bdc81a03f2711c8d92d47 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs260329qbh; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:06:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.233.18 with SMTP id f18mr1385412nfh; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p20si294176nfc.2006.06.29.01.06.19; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FvrRN-0000gC-Cs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:59:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FvrRM-0000g3-Ua for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:59:56 +0100 Received: from ptb-relay02.plus.net ([212.159.14.213]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FvrRJ-0004No-1T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:59:56 +0100 Received: from [212.159.90.113] (helo=Hugh) by ptb-relay02.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1FvrRC-0000nz-Ki for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:59:46 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c69b51$fc13f360$1f03210a@Hugh> From: "Hugh_m0wye" To: References: <200606280505.k5S55B38054415@dslgw1.aebc.com> <44A3145C.9020702@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 08:59:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,PLING_QUERY=0.857 Subject: Re: LF: LF/HF/VHF Spark?! Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=PLING_QUERY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5233 Hi All, Lack of interference form Tesla coils... Thinking about it from a "conservation of energy" point of view, most of the energy must be going into producing heat, light and sound, and ripping molecules apart to make ozone. So only a fraction of the 3kVA can be being converted to EM waves. If you have a "one meter spark" as an antenna, it is not really that different to having a 1 meter loop antenna, as long as there are not other long cables acting as radiators. We wouldn't think of a 1m loop antenna as a very efficient TX aerial at LF ... VHF maybe. At LF frequencies one would might be in the near field which might have a bearing on what was received when looking for interference. 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Dodd" To: Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:44 AM Subject: Re: LF: LF/HF/VHF Spark?! > Martin Mac Gregor wrote: > >> >>The point of this saga... >> >>Latterly we discovered that Industry Canada (DOC) had too become involved >>on >>an investigative basis; we learned that during our exhibitions, local >>broadcasting and even low band TV in the immediate locale was reportedly >>obliterated but certainly interfered with. >> > One weekend, during the early experiments on 136kHz from Amberley museum, > we had a group come and give a demonstration of Tesla coils. I set up a > mobile receiving station that had the ablility to tune from 70 to 180kHz > (the fundemental frequencies of these coils) to see how strong the > electromagnetic radiation from these coils would be. I couldn't receive > anything, even when the mobile receiver was located 200m from a coil > giving off a one metre length spark. I don't think the receiver setup was > that deaf because I could hear the usual commercial and broadcast stations > in the band. These results certainly surprised me - perhaps I should have > looked in the VHF bands. > > Peter, G3LDO > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207405171312521552 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: f20e0d934b44b761bbae08460d96f43b44efc913 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs251888qbh; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.211.15 with SMTP id j15mr1151984nfg; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k23si1134531nfc.2006.06.28.17.30.36; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:30:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FvkNX-0006UV-97 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:27:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FvkNW-0006UM-LJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:27:30 +0100 Received: from mxsf24.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.224]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FvkNS-0001al-Qb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:27:30 +0100 Received: from mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.143]) by mxsf24.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5T0Qxrw028381 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:27:04 -0400 Received: from 24-177-53-244.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([24.177.53.244]) by mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 28 Jun 2006 20:27:00 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.06,190,1149480000"; d="scan'208"; a="548018685:sNHT19302804" Message-ID: <44A310B6.7020501@w1tag.com> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:28:54 +0100 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200606280505.k5S55B38054415@dslgw1.aebc.com> <44A3145C.9020702@ukonline.co.uk> <00d501c69b03$7623c260$0b01a8c0@server> In-Reply-To: <00d501c69b03$7623c260$0b01a8c0@server> X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.985,PLING_QUERY=0.857 Subject: Re: LF: LF/HF/VHF Spark?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=PLING_QUERY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5234 J.B., >Hum...I wonder if you G stations >could copy it if I connected my T antenna up some night? > > > As long as it was dark, they could probably see the fire. John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207405171312521552 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 50b62e1bbfdbd59e411482d7dd7f540ba0f843c0 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs251507qbh; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.233.18 with SMTP id f18mr1141205nfh; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y23si3400959nfb.2006.06.28.17.04.27; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 17:04:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fvjz9-0006KM-5s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:02:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fvjz8-0006KD-P1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:02:18 +0100 Received: from fish4.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.140.6]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fvjz3-0000Sl-Sa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 01:02:18 +0100 Received: from server (unknown [10.105.128.241]) by fish4.hurontel.on.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 1A92CEC1D7 for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 20:02:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00d501c69b03$7623c260$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: References: <200606280505.k5S55B38054415@dslgw1.aebc.com> <44A3145C.9020702@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 23:37:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at hurontel.on.ca X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.158,PLING_QUERY=0.857 Subject: Re: LF: LF/HF/VHF Spark?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=PLING_QUERY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5235 Hello LFers, My other hobby is experimenting with Tesla coils and I have three at the moment that are operational. The largest is powered by a hydro "pole pig" transformer and I run it at a modest 3 KVA input power. It produces multiple discharges of over 1 meter in length and it can light up a fluorescent tube held in your hand 15 feet from the coil. I was concerned about possible nasty effects on my LF receiving kit, so I did a few test. Like Peter, G3LDO, mentioned in his posting, I was rather surprised at how little it radiated. The coil runs roughly at 100 kHz. and I had anticipated a rather broad spectrum of noise up thru the LF bands. I saw nothing on my Argo screen to indicate that the coil was disrupting LF reception at various QRSS speeds. The distance from my antennas to the shop where the coil resides is about fifty feet. It appears that a Tesla coil WITHOUT an antenna attached to it is a poor radiator of RF energy. Hum...I wonder if you G stations could copy it if I connected my T antenna up some night? 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207405171312521552 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: db485c0f8b87a0ebae250bc6a1fde1a215259c14 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs250677qbh; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:18:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.54.13 with SMTP id g13mr1041502nfk; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p45si1261965nfa.2006.06.28.16.18.09; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:18:09 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FvjFv-00060J-HO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:15:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FvjFv-00060A-2C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:15:35 +0100 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FvjFq-0008RE-7D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:15:34 +0100 Received: from bb-87-82-29-178.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.29.178] helo=[192.168.0.2]) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1FvjFn-0000OB-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:15:28 +0100 Message-ID: <44A3145C.9020702@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2006 00:44:28 +0100 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200606280505.k5S55B38054415@dslgw1.aebc.com> In-Reply-To: <200606280505.k5S55B38054415@dslgw1.aebc.com> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.878,PLING_QUERY=0.857 Subject: Re: LF: LF/HF/VHF Spark?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=PLING_QUERY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5236 Martin Mac Gregor wrote: > >The point of this saga... > >Latterly we discovered that Industry Canada (DOC) had too become involved on >an investigative basis; we learned that during our exhibitions, local >broadcasting and even low band TV in the immediate locale was reportedly >obliterated but certainly interfered with. > > One weekend, during the early experiments on 136kHz from Amberley museum, we had a group come and give a demonstration of Tesla coils. I set up a mobile receiving station that had the ablility to tune from 70 to 180kHz (the fundemental frequencies of these coils) to see how strong the electromagnetic radiation from these coils would be. I couldn't receive anything, even when the mobile receiver was located 200m from a coil giving off a one metre length spark. I don't think the receiver setup was that deaf because I could hear the usual commercial and broadcast stations in the band. These results certainly surprised me - perhaps I should have looked in the VHF bands. Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207405171312521552 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 1d300921157f8125fe364728a5611a01394e4e91 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs216906qbh; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:43:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.223.13 with SMTP id v13mr400238nfg; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o9si129787nfa.2006.06.27.23.43.51; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FvThF-0008Ko-Oh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:38:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FvThE-0008Kf-EE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:38:44 +0100 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes16.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FvThA-0008NP-4V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:38:44 +0100 Received: from priv-edtnaa05.telusplanet.net ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes16.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with ESMTP id <20060628063833.NWDG16124.priv-edtnes16.telusplanet.net@priv-edtnaa05.telusplanet.net> for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 00:38:33 -0600 Received: from [192.168.1.1] (d64-180-173-28.bchsia.telus.net [64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnaa05.telusplanet.net (BorderWare MXtreme Infinity Mail Firewall) with ESMTP id E8XGFRJFSR for ; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 00:38:33 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <44A223E9.50805@telus.net> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 23:38:33 -0700 From: Scott Tilley User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200606280505.k5S55B38054415@dslgw1.aebc.com> In-Reply-To: <200606280505.k5S55B38054415@dslgw1.aebc.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-2.229,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,PLING_QUERY=0.857 Subject: Re: LF: LF/HF/VHF Spark?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS,PLING_QUERY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5237 >>PS SOooo... Steve/Scott...ZLland on a spark gap next time??? Martin and other dodgers of your respective electrical codes... After the 2KW display in the backyard I'm afraid of the dark, sparks and anything with a wavelength longer then my commute to work... There seems to be a magical limit when the fabric of the time space continuum of 2308 Garden Drive gets ripped wide open when the key is pressed... This rip is usually closed by a loud shout from upstairs from the XYL... Somehow I've been talked into some EME misadventure and hanging out on 50.125MHz all summer, as if the static on 137.778KHz wasn't staticy enough... Seems everything in my ham career of late requires excessive power and listening to noise... Maybe it's related to the company I keep!? Back to 'As the antenna farm grows...' 73 Scott, VE7TIL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207405171312521552 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: fe4bb0cb55ea89f853ff5bd392482dfa6d799546 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs215117qbh; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.254.4 with SMTP id b4mr345497nfi; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id b1si209200nfe.2006.06.27.22.08.20; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:08:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FvSFH-0007nS-4Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:05:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FvSFG-0007nJ-Nc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:05:46 +0100 Received: from zz247227.cipherkey.net ([209.139.247.227] helo=smtp.aebc.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FvSFC-00078j-PE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:05:46 +0100 Received: from dslgw1.aebc.com [10.100.19.194] by smtp.aebc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id AE10E03F03BA; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:05:20 -0700 Received: from mmtoshiba ([10.100.19.194]) by dslgw1.aebc.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id k5S55B38054415 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:05:15 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from macgregor@clanmacgregor.net) Message-Id: <200606280505.k5S55B38054415@dslgw1.aebc.com> From: "Martin Mac Gregor" To: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:06:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <008801c69a4f$b7900240$0b01a8c0@server> Thread-Index: AcaaXLKOPMTJwqOMRXKAJjr88tB57QACbZ/A X-Declude-Sender: macgregor@clanmacgregor.net [10.100.19.194] X-Declude-Spoolname: D0e10e03f03baf690.SMD X-Note: Email was scanned by AE's anti-spam system in MX2 server. X-Note: This E-mail was sent from (Private IP) ([10.100.19.194]). X-Note: Total spam weight of this E-mail is 0. X-Spam-Tests-Failed: None X-Spam-Score: 0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,PLING_QUERY=0.857 Subject: LF: LF/HF/VHF Spark?! Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=PLING_QUERY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5238 Indulge me... Back in the early 1980s I taught apprentice electricians...an older colleague, who had been 'discharged' as a Major in the German Wehrmacht Engineers -and made no secret of it, was the HV Instructor, he and I found a common interest in the works of Tessla. We contrived to use the resources of @#$% make one 'mother' of a Tessla Coil. Suffice to say the primary transformer was a kVA or so of a large fluorescent sign transformer (20A 240V supply), 3/4" diameter, carbon rod arc-gap (shielded), 1/2" plate glass plate capacitors and a fine wire secondary coil wound (in the machine shop)on a 10/12 foot(?) 12 inch diameter cardboard former carpet roll former. It was unofficially assembled in the high voltage lab...much more unofficially 1st year apprentices were routinely and ritually assembled into a the darkened room...then the light display began! After a suitable period we would then emerge from the darkness with fluorescent tubes and the arcs would descend...while our hair was on end and arm/body muscles cramped...the apprentices were generally cowed. (Explains far too much of my present demise!) Another era...the ritual was too soon uncovered, properly @#$% Administration and Workers' Compensation got involved, certain persons chastised and the devilish Coil demolished. The point of this saga... Latterly we discovered that Industry Canada (DOC) had too become involved on an investigative basis; we learned that during our exhibitions, local broadcasting and even low band TV in the immediate locale was reportedly obliterated but certainly interfered with. So...perhaps the harmonics of a spark gap are indeed legion? Mmmm 73 Martin VE7MM/VE0BC/G4EZG PS SOooo... Steve/Scott...ZLland on a spark gap next time??? From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205465415732795185 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 238d27e24b558b04404e5bed1804025d52bc4112 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs14740wrc; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 12:16:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.51.9 with SMTP id y9mr8101huy; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a18si1220229hub.2006.06.06.12.16.45; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 12:16:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fnh06-0006uX-69 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 20:14:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fnh05-0006uO-H7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 20:14:01 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.192.82]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fnh01-0007DR-Ee for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 20:14:01 +0100 Received: from airportterminal (c-71-234-114-84.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[71.234.114.84]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060606191308m1200dbhmee>; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:13:13 +0000 Message-ID: <001801c6899c$90316ea0$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: References: <000c01c68995$95f40ed0$aa7ba8c0@ACER> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 15:08:09 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.108,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: qrss90 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01C6897B.05956F60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5239 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C6897B.05956F60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henny Nothing received herethe past couple nights. No shortage of static = lately. Jay, W1VD / WD2XNS ----- Original Message -----=20 From: henny van elst=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 2:18 PM Subject: LF: qrss90 hello all, this evening i will transmit qrss90 freq. 136318 hz. captures would be appreciated,and please let me know if you see any = trace. 73 henny pa3cpm jo22mb. ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C6897B.05956F60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Henny

Nothing received herethe past couple = nights. No=20 shortage of static lately.

Jay, W1VD / WD2XNS

----- Original Message -----
From:=20 henny van = elst
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20

Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 = 2:18=20 PM

Subject: LF: qrss90

hello all,

this evening i will transmit = qrss90

freq. 136318 hz.

captures would be appreciated,and = please let me=20 know if you see any trace.

73 henny = pa3cpm =20 jo22mb.

------=_NextPart_000_0015_01C6897B.05956F60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205106526653840732 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: cb009a0c0e1d0bec376330158f17701534ed6d87 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs6596wrc; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.243.8 with SMTP id q8mr2220665nfh; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x1si2777670nfb.2006.06.02.13.12.22; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FmFwM-000086-Dn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:08:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FmFwM-00007x-26 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:08:14 +0100 Received: from smtp15.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.6]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FmFwJ-0006Jd-Cl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 21:08:14 +0100 Received: from ACER (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by smtp15.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with SMTP id <0J0900MAV136DC@smtp15.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:04:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 22:04:18 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <000e01c6867f$bb2a06a0$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.546,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.492 Subject: LF: Re: RE: LF activety..please add TX/ANT info Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5245 pa ri ma, henny cpm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor van kooten" To: Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 9:42 PM Subject: LF: RE: LF activety..please add TX/ANT info > hello all > > thanks to Dick.Hereby the stations we are using: > PA3CPM is working with a modified 27 MHz rig,the president lincoln wich > generates the frequency in 0,5 Hz steps.It is amplified by a modified > Teletron powersupply wich delivers about 30 Watts.This is fed to a > modified > 27 MHz pa klv400 wich gives about 200 W.The antenna is a sloper about 11 > meters high with 25 meters topload. > For my own station I use a Redifon synthesised drive unit SD1 at 13.6319 > MHz.The output is devided by 100 to generate 1 Hz steps.This signal is > amplified and filtered to 100 W with two IRFP150 fets in the output > stage.Later on this signal will be fed to a tube pa with 4X PL519 who give > 400 W.the antenna is 5 m hor and 12 m vert (to) close to the house with 25 > m > topload. > Hope this informs you, > > 73 > Victor > PA3FNY > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Dick > Verzonden: vrijdag 2 juni 2006 20:11 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: LF activety..please add TX/ANT info > > > Hello all, > > Very interesting to see the QRSS activety around, like from the PA3's. > It would be interesting to know what power and antenna are used by > stations, > so please add this info when announcing (QRSS) LF activety. > > By the way, will be active in normal CW myself next weekend june 10/11 > > > 73 > > Dick, PA4VHF (JO32EG) > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205355454548890354 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: da734968cc736338a52de4d0b7a12c144827c0f3 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs5722wrc; 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Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:10:23 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <008301c688b1$ba811b10$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: References: <005801c688a8$bb06dbf0$6501a8c0@eagles> <001f01c688ab$aaa89d40$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:07:14 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.449,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Beacon on 137,778.48 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5246 Jay, and All, The power level of the beacon on 137,778.48 is currently ~30 Watts TX power out. How much power I will be running at any day/hour over the next week will be determined by how fast I can get the antenna tuning circuit replaced, the antenna retuned and the transmitters repaired/modified. I expect that the beacon power will be increased in stages to 1W ierp over the next week starting with an expected step to 100 W TX output power in the next 16 hours. I apologize for not keeping every measurement in ierp, but the antenna current meter function is one of the things which should be made functional during the antenna tuning repairs. The current meter is just barely moving and is essentially 0 amps with 30 Watts TX out. I am told by my SL-TIL support team :o) that changing the tuning method will likely have the added effect of correcting the current meter problems as well. JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205355454548890354 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 965dd6b05bce9d72aa6dcd9ef6cf94ad2e15689f Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs2379wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.101.10 with SMTP id d10mr3422119ugm; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id s1si5606168uge.2006.06.05.07.08.58; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:08:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnFfj-00008e-LX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:03:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnFfj-00008V-95 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:03:11 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FnFfe-0005sM-Vw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:03:11 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id C95524FE6 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 08:05:58 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <005801c688a8$bb06dbf0$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "LF $RSGB$" Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:02:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.674,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Beacon on 137,778.48 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5247 Hello All, The VFO is now working and the beacon has been set on ~137,778.48 QRSS60. Please let me know when/if you see any trace. Captures would be appreciated. JA VY1JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206092537594065782 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: d594d8d9871d10847afef0e5e10c2b8dc5b134d5 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs3885wrc; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:24:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.58.9 with SMTP id l9mr6006227nfk; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id b1si6992327nfe.2006.06.13.10.24.35; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 10:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FqCTw-0007kr-QX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:15:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FqCTv-0007ki-Po for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:15:11 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FqCTq-0000xg-Ql for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:15:11 +0100 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1FqCQ9-0001V8-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:11:17 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1FqCQ8-0006Cc-91 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:11:16 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 18:11:15 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c68f0c$60fb2890$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002601c68eee$51f35520$2102000a@ibm> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-Information: X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.747 Subject: LF: RE: PA4VHF/p propblems with core/high voltage etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5249 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dick Sent: 13 June 2006 14:34 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: PA4VHF/p propblems with core/high voltage etc Aperently the N30 core seems to be not the best solution as an step-up transformer. Luckely I do have another 3c85 core (50-60mm) lying around. Is it better to use this one instead of the N30 material?? Dear Dick, LF Group, The peak flux density in the core is given by B(peak) =3D Vrms/(4.44.f.n.Ae) (for a sine wave voltage) Where=20 B(peak) is peak flux density, T Vrms is the voltage across the winding, V f is frequency (Hz) n is number of turns Ae is effective cross-sectional area in m^2(nearly the same as actual cross-sectional area for a toroid) (Be careful of the units - the manufacturer's data is often given as = mm^2, cm^2, square inches, etc...) The flux density does not depend on the type of ferrite - so if you are using cores of similar cross-section, and the same number of turns, the = flux density is similar also. What does change is the specific core loss, Pv, which is a function of type of ferrite, flux density and frequency. For = 3C85 at 137kHz and 100mT (for 500W TX and so Vrms =3D 158V, and 16t primary), = Pv is somewhere around 160kW/m^3, according to the graphs in my old Philips = data book. The effective volume of a TX51 size toroid is 21500mm^3, (i.e. = 2.15 x 10e-5 m^3 - careful of units, again), making the total power loss in the core about 3.4W. Obviously I am just guessing about what size the core = is, but it should be about right. To this you will need to add some watts of losses in the winding resistance. Overall, this will be a substantial improvement on the N30 material, but will require good ventilation all = the same. There is a trade-off involved in the number of turns - increasing the = number of turns reduces the flux density and so the core loss, but increases = the loss in the windings. Also, having a large number of turns makes the = leakage inductance higher, and a small number of turns makes the winding = inductance too low. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205360042043719358 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 0d5eee98a0b4af57f7e039af5ea8982fd904fe4e Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs6399wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 08:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.32.16 with SMTP id f16mr904195huf; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 39si1046043hui.2006.06.05.08.21.53; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:21:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnGrZ-0000lP-IW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:19:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnGrY-0000lG-T6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:19:28 +0100 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnGrV-0006R9-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:19:28 +0100 Received: (qmail 49003 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 15:19:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.14.184 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2006 15:19:19 -0000 Message-ID: <002d01c688b3$69f18fc0$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <494.2048ad9.31b5a042@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:19:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.796 Subject: LF: Re: Re: QRSS on 136.318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5255 Hi David, thats why it isn't a "Bandplan", only a guide. 135.7 to 136 is now useless in the States for listening to Eu stations since NPG in Califoria came up mid last year. The Yanks transmit on 137.77 ish to keep away from CFH, their recommended frequency for Eu stations trying for T/A was 136.315-320 as being reasonable clear of strong Loran lines. ....and I haven't heard any hand keyed morse at night for ages....they only want to work each other once, so soon get bored (miaow). At least you dont get hear degradation in the summer with QRSS. Inter Eu (QRSS3 and QRSS10) would stand a better chance around 137.70, as some of us do listen there. There is still room for lotsa stations to come on and have fun!! Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 05 June 2006 15:57 Subject: LF: Re: QRSS on 136.318 > > Isn't QRSS 137+ or 135.7 ish on the bandplan? > > Not that there's much CW activity these days, but I would have thought the > remote receivers are all set up for other frequencies. > > David > > > > In a message dated 05/06/2006 14:28:52 GMT Standard Time, cpm@planet.nl > writes: > > hello all, > > this evening we will transmit qrss90. > freq,136318hz > freq.136319hz > > captures would be appreciated,and please let us know if you see any trace. > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206968656759959917 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 84e260ea7aa6d03824f9fe1563d4e236a6e80492 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs146430qbh; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.221.6 with SMTP id t6mr4850650nfg; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p72si4556426nfc.2006.06.26.09.28.03; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 09:28:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Futsd-0006xx-DL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:24:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Futsd-0006xo-24 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:24:07 +0100 Received: from mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48] helo=mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FutsX-0008O8-RN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:24:07 +0100 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060626162356.NAB27023.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:23:56 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([82.10.67.170]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060626162356.JCRM19763.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:23:56 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2006 17:23:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <44A01816.23781.23D44CE@localhost> In-reply-to: <005f01c696a6$b55dd1c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.697,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: where is 1st. harmonic [back to Topic] Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5256 > I have AR88, B40, 706, ft101zd, datong converter 136 to 28 Mhz., and > MRF pre-amp. Am also lazy. > Which combo (US influence ) will work best for a 202 foot dipole 25 ' > high with twin feeder which could be strapped to make a Tee. > Bryan > G3GVB / AC4UA Go for the 706 plus MRF pre-amp. This will have good sensitivity and excellent stability. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206968656759959917 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 03ff7b04452050f2ab72bcc7f4e4b590fec8eb31 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs338wrc; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.232.15 with SMTP id e15mr2739595nfh; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id n22si3247913nfc.2006.06.23.12.48.10; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:48:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ftra0-0005S5-Mi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:44:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ftra0-0005Rw-8u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:44:36 +0100 Received: from smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.10]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FtrZx-00029R-BQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:44:36 +0100 Received: from tnt-5-10.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.10] helo=captbrian) by smarthost0.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1FtrYj-000NvU-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:43:17 +0100 Message-ID: <00ae01c696fd$35e91d80$5ac428c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <521.130bed0.31cc71fb@aol.com> <002301c69690$4cd321c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <200606231019250198.1433C814@smtp.wanadoo.fr> <005f01c696a6$b55dd1c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <449C03E7.9010007@wanadoo.fr> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 20:42:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: where is 1st. harmonic [back to Topic] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5257 nous sommes le meme gens je pense. vivre les Celts.. alas mon bateau a voile est a Florida avec sa "backstay antenna ;-)) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean-L. RAULT" To: Sent: 23 June 2006 16:08 Subject: Re: LF: where is 1st. harmonic [back to Topic] captbrian a �crit : > 1) I'm a Welshman, hence neutral :-) > > 2) Like you, I have call signs in 2 countries and support whichever country > I'm in at a given moment , it saves aggro. > > 3) I strongly supported De Gaulle :-) > > Thank you Bryan 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR/MM (Scotts and Welshes are welcome in my West Britanny Country, particularly on sailing boats) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 21/06/06 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206968656759959917 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a9372d085509812d32baf635730ad1793b003c01 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs58803wrc; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.163.7 with SMTP id l7mr2544361nfe; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k23si1123814nfc.2006.06.23.08.16.36; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 08:16:37 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FtnH5-0004fW-Ll for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:08:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FtnH5-0004fN-77 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:08:47 +0100 Received: from smtp4.orange.fr ([193.252.22.27]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FtnH1-0000Nu-2R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:08:47 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (ASte-Genev-Bois-154-1-56-36.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr [86.198.87.36]) by mwinf0408.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4B4641C00100 for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:08:27 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060623150827308.4B4641C00100@mwinf0408.orange.fr Message-ID: <449C03E7.9010007@wanadoo.fr> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:08:23 +0200 From: "Jean-L. RAULT" Organization: F6AGR User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <521.130bed0.31cc71fb@aol.com> <002301c69690$4cd321c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <200606231019250198.1433C814@smtp.wanadoo.fr> <005f01c696a6$b55dd1c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> In-Reply-To: <005f01c696a6$b55dd1c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376 Subject: Re: LF: where is 1st. harmonic [back to Topic] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5258 captbrian a =E9crit : > 1) I'm a Welshman, hence neutral :-) > > 2) Like you, I have call signs in 2 countries and support whichever cou= ntry > I'm in at a given moment , it saves aggro. > > 3) I strongly supported De Gaulle :-) > > =20 Thank you Bryan 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR/MM (Scotts and Welshes are welcome in my West Britanny Country, =20 particularly on sailing boats) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206968656759959917 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c1bc318c86d0ac8a8867f4373bc45c78ff261931 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs49389wrc; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:30:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.47.19 with SMTP id u19mr2236310nfu; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c28si2790376nfb.2006.06.23.02.30.08; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 02:30:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fthum-0003w2-GL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:25:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fthul-0003vt-Vv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:25:24 +0100 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.11]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fthuh-0007cz-Rn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:25:23 +0100 Received: from tnt-15-117.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.26.117] helo=captbrian) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1FthtR-000H98-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:24:01 +0100 Message-ID: <005f01c696a6$b55dd1c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <521.130bed0.31cc71fb@aol.com> <002301c69690$4cd321c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <200606231019250198.1433C814@smtp.wanadoo.fr> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:22:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: where is 1st. harmonic [back to Topic] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5259 1) I'm a Welshman, hence neutral :-) 2) Like you, I have call signs in 2 countries and support whichever country I'm in at a given moment , it saves aggro. 3) I strongly supported De Gaulle :-) 4) My only chinese phrase refers to "Wanna dance,sweetheart ? " 5) P'raps back to topic would be good idea I have AR88, B40, 706, ft101zd, datong converter 136 to 28 Mhz., and MRF pre-amp. Am also lazy. Which combo (US influence ) will work best for a 202 foot dipole 25 ' high with twin feeder which could be strapped to make a Tee. Bryan G3GVB / AC4UA ----- Original Message ----- From: "John RABSON" To: Sent: 23 June 2006 09:19 Subject: Re: LF: where is 1st. harmonic [getting Off Topic] On 23/06/2006 at 07:41 captbrian wrote: >That's because you kids who have been separated by rebellion for 230 years >next week... Whereas England was independent for rather longer (until 1972, or a bit later, depending on whether you are a member of the Jean Monnet fan club or not). John F5VLF/G3PAI -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 21/06/06 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207355648468742638 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: f5598ec3a6025d074d943ff1c8d8775017472821 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs190091qbh; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.143.15 with SMTP id q15mr5707629nfd; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m16si7363361nfc.2006.06.27.09.01.12; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 09:01:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FvFti-0004C1-OI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:54:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FvFti-0004Bs-7H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:54:42 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.188]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FvFtd-00011q-EQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 16:54:42 +0100 Received: from [217.251.224.134] (helo=W1KW) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwtQ-1FvFtU2fLm-0001Oq; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:54:29 +0200 Message-ID: <002001c69a01$f4db85f0$0100a8c0@W1KW> From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" To: References: <062620061532.28851.449FFE19000BD09E000070B322064244130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> <00be01c6995a$92677d40$76ce28c3@captbrian> <1Fv26K-29uoi10@fwd34.sul.t-online.de> <5.0.2.1.0.20060627181733.03161e20@popper.forthnet.gr> Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:54:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:a8046abf013a2aee3cd9c470ba16bfdf X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.037 Subject: LF: Re: Re: RSGB seeks 501-504 kHz for Expermintal license Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5261 > It seems 500 kHz marine radios had many strange "features". ... well, I was once young, too ;-) ... as a backpacker I travelled through Turkey back in 70ties of last century. After a trip almost around Turkey I took a ferry from some place to take me to Istanbul. As the boat trip was long and a bit boring I did what I usually did at those times when riding a ferry: I climbed up to the radio room and showed the raios officer my QSL card. As usual I was received very friendly. A conversation was not that easy because we did not really speak a common language ... besides the Q-code and CW radio abbreviations! Somehow it worked, we had a lot of fun. Then the radio guy made me understand that he was supposed to send a message about his position to the nearest coastal station. He wrote the text of the message to be transmitted on a sheet of paper, handed it over to me and pointed to his morse-key. For me as a radio ham without any previous experience in the ship radio service it was a great feeling transmitting on an MF frequency close to 500 kHz and even receive ans answer from the coastal station. I felt a little bit like when I was conducting my first QSO as a ham. ... well, and now I am sitting here in my shack, and an old marine radio tranmitter keeps the frequency 440 kHz busy under the callsign DI2BO. Old stations never die ... Best 73 Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO P.S.: In the meantime I �t least do hold a ship radio telephony operator's certificate ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Costas Krallis SV1XV" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2006 5:30 PM Subject: LF: Re: RSGB seeks 501-504 kHz for Expermintal license > > It seems 500 kHz marine radios had many strange "features". > > During my army service I was posted well inland, in Western > Macedonia, at the town of Grevena. I had a Racal HF > military radio, usualy tuned on 7045 kHz LSB for ham chat, > except when there was a sched in the military bands. > > Well, one day I was tuning up and down, and suddenly I > heard a greek ferry calling SXE (Aspropyrgos Coast > Guard) in CW, passing a departure announcement for > Syros & Tinos islands. The frequency was 5001 kHz, the > 10th harmonic of 500 kHz!! > > 73, > Costas SV1XV > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205075479570655734 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 07caac2b6b71688d301d8559450746a60c21f33e Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs17702wrc; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.61.17 with SMTP id o17mr1941156nfk; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k9si2437113nfc.2006.06.02.07.08.06; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:08:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FmAGv-00079l-G0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:05:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FmAGv-00079c-30 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:05:05 +0100 Received: from web25402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.136]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FmAGs-0003MT-Aa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:05:05 +0100 Received: (qmail 12274 invoked by uid 60001); 2 Jun 2006 14:03:57 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=IO7wDTsFVf7NT/as2/lukBfMV7G3NGqhJPBdFPZ5bb9DXz4htDFwO3Qf2qA1jHsrRrbGFDpDoRGwjNEg/9D9OapWA4Z8IHR8NeBA0/cFL1eEl84x/vLZnNDrjmuDK0c+8Km7XyCuGx8YaF/LO7xXjF/iGbQtg0LjeB1sNgAckvI= ; Message-ID: <20060602140357.12272.qmail@web25402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.78.182.231] by web25402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 15:03:57 BST Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 15:03:57 +0100 (BST) From: brian hodgson To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.955,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: QRSS 60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1413467784-1149257037=:11472" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5262 --0-1413467784-1149257037=:11472 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Good copy both signals here in Watford (IO91TP) Brian - G3YKB Victor van kooten wrote: Beginning now,Henny and I will transmit on 136318 and 136319 Hz QRSS 60.We will transmit until 10:00 UTC. We hope to get some reports from you, 73 PA3CPM PA3FNY JO22NC Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --0-1413467784-1149257037=:11472 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Good copy both signals here in Watford (IO91TP)

Brian - G3YKB

Victor van kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

Beginning now,Henny and I will transmit on 136318 and 136319 Hz QRSS 60.We
will transmit until 10:00 UTC.
We hope to get some reports from you,

73
PA3CPM
PA3FNY

JO22NC

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --0-1413467784-1149257037=:11472-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205075479570655734 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 2211ca22df73ca0557c2f6d21fb69e7616884890 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs13698wrc; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 04:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.2.11 with SMTP id e11mr686691nfi; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 04:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x1si2350889nfb.2006.06.02.04.58.53; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 04:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fm8ES-0006ig-Oo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:54:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fm8ES-0006iX-7R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:54:24 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.144]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fm8EN-00033S-77 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 12:54:24 +0100 Received: from pa3fnyzus90725 (cd4400af3.cable.wanadoo.nl [212.64.10.243]) by smtp4.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CD1E2C433 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:54:18 +0200 (CEST) From: "Victor van kooten" To: "blacksheep" Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:54:07 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.102 Subject: LF: QRSS 60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5263 Beginning now,Henny and I will transmit on 136318 and 136319 Hz QRSS 60.We will transmit until 10:00 UTC. We hope to get some reports from you, 73 PA3CPM PA3FNY JO22NC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205376120244345561 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 092863d6756a92b681cc72849957f006616dc5a6 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs8144wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:46:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.33.9 with SMTP id l9mr4760078nfj; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o45si5752676nfa.2006.06.05.14.46.24; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnMrD-00031G-Fl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:43:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnMrC-000317-Jg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:43:30 +0100 Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.23]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FnMr8-0000tN-7P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 22:43:30 +0100 Received: from 88-106-206-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.206.135]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 05 Jun 2006 22:43:07 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAHpChESCbQmEMoIvLA Received: from 88-106-206-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.206.135]:2994 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FnLLc-000EcY-Qm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:06:49 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:12:40 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <492.20b5ca0.31b5e768@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.900,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: RE: LF: G3XDV QRSS tonight Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0039_01C688E4.C749C760" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_FONTCOLOR_BLUE, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5267 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0039_01C688E4.C749C760 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_003A_01C688E4.C749C760" ------=_NextPart_001_003A_01C688E4.C749C760 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Markus, It seems that you don't see the Rugby LORAN line nearly as strong. See my capture (1950z) on previous e-mail. 73, Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of MarkusVester@aol.com Sent: 05 June 2006 21:01 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: G3XDV QRSS tonight ... this is what it looked like here before 19:22. 73 de Markus, DF6NM In einer eMail vom 05.06.2006 21:35:48 Westeurop�ische Sommerzeit schreibt g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk: Mike, I can see your qrss tonight (dog bones), if you continue it may be best to move up a little as you are almost on top of a LORAN line (136.317KHz), your sigs could be harder to see if weaker. Regards, Gary - G4WGT ------=_NextPart_001_003A_01C688E4.C749C760 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi=20 Markus,

It=20 seems that you don't see the Rugby LORAN line nearly as strong. See my = capture=20 (1950z) on previous e-mail.

73,

Gary -=20 G4WGT.

-----Original Message-----
From:=20 owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of=20 MarkusVester@aol.com
Sent: 05 June 2006 = 21:01
To:=20 rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: G3XDV QRSS=20 tonight

... this=20 is what it looked like here before 19:22.

73 de Markus,=20 DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 05.06.2006 21:35:48 = Westeurop=E4ische=20 Sommerzeit schreibt g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk:

Mike,

I can see your qrss tonight (dog bones), if = you=20 continue it may be best to
move up a little as you are almost on = top of a=20 LORAN line (136.317KHz), your
sigs could be harder to see if=20 weaker.

Regards,

Gary -=20 G4WGT

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autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.903,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.473,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: G3XDV QRSS tonight Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="part1_492.20b5ca0.31b5e768_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME,UPPERCASE_25_50 autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5268 --part1_492.20b5ca0.31b5e768_boundary Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="part1_492.20b5ca0.31b5e768_rel_boundary" --part1_492.20b5ca0.31b5e768_rel_boundary Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="492.20b5ca0_alt_bound" --492.20b5ca0_alt_bound Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ... this is what it looked like here before 19:22. 73 de Markus, DF6NM In einer eMail vom 05.06.2006 21:35:48 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt= =20 g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk:=20 > Mike, >=20 > I can see your qrss tonight (dog bones), if you continue it may be best to > move up a little as you are almost on top of a LORAN line (136.317KHz), yo= ur > sigs could be harder to see if weaker. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Gary - G4WGT >=20 >=20 --492.20b5ca0_alt_bound Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

... this is what it looked like here before 19:22.

73 de Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 05.06.2006 21:35:48 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt= g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk:

Mike,

I can see your qrss tonight (dog bones), if you continue it may be best to move up a little as you are almost on top of a LORAN line (136.317KHz), your=
sigs could be harder to see if weaker.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT

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relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnKol-0008J1-Gv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:32:55 +0100 Received: from 88-106-206-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.206.135]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 05 Jun 2006 20:32:34 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAEkfhESJVyw Received: from 88-106-206-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.206.135]:2660 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FnKoS-0006zj-CW; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:32:32 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF $Rsgb LF Group$" Cc: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:33:27 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.483,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: G3XDV QRSS tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5269 Mike, I can see your qrss tonight (dog bones), if you continue it may be best to move up a little as you are almost on top of a LORAN line (136.317KHz), your sigs could be harder to see if weaker. Regards, Gary - G4WGT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207647369910056017 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 1d211d8f1b3ebae028c94213a24727129978c619 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs23345qbh; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.217.16 with SMTP id p16mr623654nfg; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r33si1965156nfc.2006.06.30.14.17.58; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 14:18:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FwQGt-00064X-AG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:11:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FwQGs-00064O-Q6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:11:26 +0100 Received: from web86603.mail.ird.yahoo.com ([217.146.188.136]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FwQGo-0000RZ-Nd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:11:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 96868 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jun 2006 21:11:17 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=DQSkA75qXeoZ8ygHb/VoQBrJI82jkVbCLnZK1Al72I5LjvaNkZFfYO6Mx943dT5ri46TqoUBGp0E+6U4AA3xUp9P9hBkjyhsUdMdaJFOm6SaFTeCgXLwrGdjkWOGEKigVVCEK2ICC+vcyhlc8WmiSq6XmkdOk9a7Ke+R+un8y5I= ; Message-ID: <20060630211117.96866.qmail@web86603.mail.ird.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.252.64.14] by web86603.mail.ird.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:11:16 BST Date: Fri, 30 Jun 2006 22:11:16 +0100 (BST) From: CHRISTOPHER OSBORN To: LF group MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.290,DRUGS_ERECTILE=0.026,DRUGS_ERECTILE_OBFU=0.832,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Weekend EU / LF Signals Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-2005241033-1151701876=:95491" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5270 --0-2005241033-1151701876=:95491 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I'll be putting out a few CQ calls on DFCW over the weekend, on 137.68 kHz I'll then send a few 'test' signals on QRSS-1 I'll aim for about 0800 - 0900 GMT 73 Chris G3XIZ --------------------------------- All New Yahoo! 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I'll be putting out a few CQ calls on DFCW over the weekend, on 137.68 kHz

I'll then send a few 'test' signals on QRSS-1

I'll aim for about 0800 - 0900 GMT

73 Chris G3XIZ

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Let our SpamGuard protect you. --0-2005241033-1151701876=:95491-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205556736213704247 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 2ef46c1415f8c676a6bd9a33c6b556d08a76a27a Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs10274wrc; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.93.18 with SMTP id v18mr788349nfl; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id n23si272899nfc.2006.06.07.12.31.35; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:31:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo3gZ-0001ye-Nu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:27:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo3gZ-0001yU-C9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:27:23 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.37]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fo3gV-0003gK-CQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:27:23 +0100 Received: from 88-106-178-134.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.178.134]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 07 Jun 2006 19:58:43 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HALm9hkSJWQIpAQ Received: from 88-106-178-134.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.178.134]:2281 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Fo36W-000N43-W2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 19:50:09 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 19:54:56 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <44872911.4081.200439F@localhost> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.429,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: RE: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5271 Hi Mike, I have just compared the signals you stated & you are correct BBC 198KHz is 1Hz high, not checked over a period of time so I can't comment on the drift. 73, Gary - G4WGT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Mike Dennison Sent: 07 June 2006 19:29 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: BBC 198kHz Is it my new radio or is the 198kHz transmission more than 1Hz high and drifting HF? Rugby 60kHz, HBG 75kHz and DCF 77.5kHz all look good. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205556736213704247 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 8ce4ea7f030990c964c0fc33d665e6f3cb3ee2c6 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs10123wrc; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 12:29:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.58.9 with SMTP id l9mr792537nfk; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l22si1273276nfc.2006.06.07.12.28.15; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:28:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo3cC-0001uy-3a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:22:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo3cB-0001up-NQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:22:51 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.144]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fo3c8-0003dk-OU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 20:22:51 +0100 Received: from pa3fnyzus90725 (cd4400af3.cable.wanadoo.nl [212.64.10.243]) by smtp4.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id C124F178E6 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 21:22:17 +0200 (CEST) From: "Victor van kooten" To: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 21:22:08 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <44872911.4081.200439F@localhost> X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.104,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374 Subject: LF: RE: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5272 Hallo Mike, BBC measures 198000,0 Hz down here.Receiver is REV-251M With Speclab,calibrated on this station 2 month's ago, best regards, Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Mike Dennison Verzonden: woensdag 7 juni 2006 20:29 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: BBC 198kHz Is it my new radio or is the 198kHz transmission more than 1Hz high and drifting HF? Rugby 60kHz, HBG 75kHz and DCF 77.5kHz all look good. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205023032356436617 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 3b91cc90f8b2561e5b7e9132f32d35c275faac75 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.72.5 with SMTP id u5cs6410wra; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 15:05:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.14.18 with SMTP id 18mr150125nfn; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id n22si1707573nfc.2006.06.01.15.05.15; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 15:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FlvEn-0004rV-7A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:01:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FlvEm-0004rM-R0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:01:52 +0100 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FlvEj-0003WV-MK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 23:01:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 41757 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2006 22:01:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.134.201.156 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Jun 2006 22:01:43 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:02:54 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <004001c685b0$68ee16d0$a3434054@youry0mkaz8jaq> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.727,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: PA3CPM Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01C685CF.83CA5E40" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5278 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01C685CF.83CA5E40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit LF, Victor, PA3CPM QRSS60 sigs strong here also. Screenshot attached. 73, Dave G3WCP IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Martin Evans Sent: 01 June 2006 20:20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: PA3CPM > PA3CPM > is currently transmitting on 136318 Hz QRSS60.He is looking forward for > reports from europe and beyond... > He will transmit until 10:00 UTC Locator JO22NC. > > 73 > PA3FNY ##################################################### Signal is O with dogboning here. Martin GW3UCJ. 20km North of Swansea, South Wales. 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stations never die ... Mysteroius morse code ... on a BBC transmission! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=--__JNP_000_77fe.4d37.5602 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5280 This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ----__JNP_000_77fe.4d37.5602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Geri thanks,, just tuned in to that station very good music and quality what is the name of the show you listen too ?? Bob K3DJC As some of you know I am a friend of Irish folk music (I play the fiddle in a folk-music band). There is a weekly radio show on BBD 4 Radio Ulster featuring folk-music. This show can be downloaded on the internet which is very convenient because what I do is to record it to an MP3 file and burn it onto a CD so that I can listen to it while driving to or back from work. ----__JNP_000_77fe.4d37.5602 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Geri

thanks,, just tuned in to that station very good music and quality

what is the name of the show you listen too ??

Bob K3DJC

As some of you know I am a friend of Irish= folk=20 music (I play the fiddle in a folk-music band). There is a weekly radio = show on=20 BBD 4 Radio Ulster featuring folk-music. This show can be downloaded on the= =20 internet which is very convenient because what I do is to record it to an = MP3=20 file and burn it onto a CD so that I can listen to it while driving to or = back=20 from work.

----__JNP_000_77fe.4d37.5602-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205151372008315946 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 742895e7173277bcf1574191a730c021f488f7de Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs26659wrc; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 01:05:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.14.18 with SMTP id r18mr2571653nfi; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l27si3219959nfa.2006.06.03.01.05.10; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 01:05:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FmR41-0001mp-1l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:00:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FmR40-0001mg-BS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:00:52 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.183]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FmR3x-0002U5-Eu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 09:00:52 +0100 Received: from [217.184.226.158] (helo=W1KW) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML25U-1FmR3P3GrU-0005Kl; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 10:00:18 +0200 Message-ID: <004601c686e3$c0cfcd60$fe78a8c0@W1KW> From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" To: Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 10:00:12 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 Disposition-Notification-To: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:a8046abf013a2aee3cd9c470ba16bfdf X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.009,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Old stations never die ... Mysteroius morse code ... on a BBC transmission! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0043_01C686F4.8151C600" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5281 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C686F4.8151C600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello friends, let me tell you about some mysterous things that happened to me recently = and that nearly made me drive off the road on my way to work. As some of you know I am a friend of Irish folk music (I play the fiddle = in a folk-music band). There is a weekly radio show on BBD 4 Radio = Ulster featuring folk-music. This show can be downloaded on the internet = which is very convenient because what I do is to record it to an MP3 = file and burn it onto a CD so that I can listen to it while driving to = or back from work. I hadn't have time to listen fo the show for a while, so about a week = ago I took the CD containing the radio show of May 6, 2006 into my car = and listened to it on my way to work. Column Sands, the moderator, had = just been in Australia and he brought some nice tunes and songs with him = that he played. There was a nice and sad song called "The Old Station" = (in the song a railway station was meant). Suddenly, during the chorus = in the middle of the song, I heard morse code! My first thougth was that = the DI2BO beacon transmission had been recorded on the CD but that was = impossible because all recording was directly digital inside the = computer, so there was no way to interfere with an analogue signal.=20 I stopped my car and re-wound the song. I decoded the message "Old = stations never die" ... it was obviously a recording form an original = radio transmission because noise could be heard in the background. First = I thought that somebody at the recording studio had played this message = onto the CD but later I checked another version of the song, and there = is no hidden message on it! So somebody at BBC must have had mixed this = CW message onto the transmissions. But why? The message rang a bell. I looked it up on the internet and yes, I = remembered. The last message of many of the coastal radio stations on = 500 kHz when they shut down a few years back was "OLD STATIONS NEVER = DIE, THEY JUST FADE AWAY".=20 Well, my 440 kHz experimental beacon DI2BO is using an old MF ship radio = transmitter build some 35 years ago ... it surely has seen a lot while = travelling the seven seas. The ship may have been wracked in the = meantime, the station had been decomissioned, the parts ending up on a = flea market to be sold. It has been waiting in my spare-part warehouse = (some would say: electronics junkyard) until the time was ready to apply = for an experimental license for MF transmissions and the station was put = on the air again. Some stations never die ... Remember, on what date that BBC radio show was transmitted? Yes, May 6th = 2006, in the late evening. Well, guess when I started DI2BO's transmissions and what date I = anounced it here on the web and on the reflector? Yes, indeed: May 6th, = 2006 (in the morning)! Who in the world is sitting in BBC 4th technical department and reads = the reflector? Or was this just a mysterious chain of incidences? Best 73 Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO ------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C686F4.8151C600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello friends,

let me tell you about some mysterous = things that=20 happened to me recently and that nearly made me drive off the road on my = way to=20 work.

As some of you know I am a friend of = Irish folk=20 music (I play the fiddle in a folk-music band). There is a weekly radio = show on=20 BBD 4 Radio Ulster featuring folk-music. This show can be downloaded on = the=20 internet which is very convenient because what I do is to record it to = an MP3=20 file and burn it onto a CD so that I can listen to it while driving to = or back=20 from work.

I hadn't have time to listen fo the = show for a=20 while, so about a week ago I took the CD containing the radio show = of May=20 6, 2006 into my car and listened to it on my way to work. Column Sands, = the=20 moderator, had just been in Australia and he brought some nice tunes and = songs=20 with him that he played. There was a nice and sad song called = "The Old=20 Station" (in the song a railway station was meant). Suddenly, during the = chorus=20 in the middle of the song, I heard morse code! My first thougth was = that the DI2BO beacon transmission had been recorded on the CD but = that was=20 impossible because all recording was directly digital inside the = computer, so=20 there was no way to interfere with an analogue signal.

I stopped my car and re-wound the = song. I=20 decoded the message "Old stations never die" ... it was obviously a = recording=20 form an original radio transmission because noise could be = heard in=20 the background. First I thought that somebody at the recording studio = had played=20 this message onto the CD but later I checked another version of the = song,=20 and there is no hidden message on it! So somebody at BBC must=20 have had mixed this CW message onto the transmissions. But=20 why?

The message rang a bell. I looked = it up on the=20 internet and yes, I remembered. The last message of many of = the coastal=20 radio stations on 500 kHz when they shut down a few years back was "OLD = STATIONS=20 NEVER DIE, THEY JUST FADE AWAY".

Well, my 440 kHz experimental beacon = DI2BO=20 is using an old MF ship radio transmitter build some = 35=20 years ago ... it surely has seen a lot while travelling the seven = seas. The=20 ship may have been wracked in the meantime, the station had been=20 decomissioned, the parts ending up on a flea market to be sold. It = has been=20 waiting in my spare-part warehouse (some would say: electronics = junkyard) until=20 the time was ready to apply for an experimental license for MF = transmissions and=20 the station was put on the air again.

Some stations never die = ...

Remember, on what date that BBC radio = show was=20 transmitted? Yes, May 6th 2006, in the late evening.

Well, guess when I started DI2BO's = transmissions=20 and what date I anounced it here on the web and on the reflector? Yes, = indeed:=20 May 6th, 2006 (in the morning)!

Who in the world is sitting in BBC 4th = technical=20 department and reads the reflector? Or was this just a mysterious chain = of=20 incidences?

Best 73

Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO

------=_NextPart_000_0043_01C686F4.8151C600-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206976022819144669 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 1ac0a35f5265ea43d97028f9a7f670ca0c6e2de3 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs51711wrc; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:27:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.64.2 with SMTP id r2mr2337486nfk; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q27si2875645nfc.2006.06.23.04.27.13; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 04:27:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ftjik-0004EL-ST for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:21:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ftjik-0004EC-DR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:21:06 +0100 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.12]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ftjig-0008W0-66 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:21:06 +0100 Received: from tnt-5-26.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.26] helo=captbrian) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1Ftjid-0002MN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:20:59 +0100 Message-ID: <007001c696b7$0c287f40$5ac428c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <521.130bed0.31cc71fb@aol.com> <002301c69690$4cd321c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <200606231019250198.1433C814@smtp.wanadoo.fr> <005f01c696a6$b55dd1c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 12:19:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: B41 not B40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5282 OOps ! I meant B41 : it goes down to 15kHz and has IF output socket at 800 kHz. But when I hear SAQ Grimeton at 17 Khz the BFO is redundant as it always finds something to beat with as seemingly do sigs at around 136 ----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" To: Sent: 23 June 2006 10:22 Subject: Re: LF: where is 1st. harmonic [back to Topic] > 1) I'm a Welshman, hence neutral :-) > > 2) Like you, I have call signs in 2 countries and support whichever country > I'm in at a given moment , it saves aggro. > > 3) I strongly supported De Gaulle :-) > > 4) My only chinese phrase refers to "Wanna dance,sweetheart ? " > > 5) P'raps back to topic would be good idea > > I have AR88, B40, 706, ft101zd, datong converter 136 to 28 Mhz., and MRF > pre-amp. Am also lazy. > > Which combo (US influence ) will work best for a 202 foot dipole 25 ' high > with twin feeder which could be strapped to make a Tee. > > Bryan > > G3GVB / AC4UA > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John RABSON" > To: > Sent: 23 June 2006 09:19 > Subject: Re: LF: where is 1st. harmonic [getting Off Topic] > > > On 23/06/2006 at 07:41 captbrian wrote: > > >That's because you kids who have been separated by rebellion for 230 years > >next week... > Whereas England was independent for rather longer (until 1972, or a bit > later, depending on whether you are a member of the Jean Monnet fan club or > not). > > John > F5VLF/G3PAI > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 21/06/06 > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 21/06/06 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205381325499226553 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: b68041a2a3e35bcd22377c27194aacef3242b724 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs6289wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:00:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.6.9 with SMTP id j9mr4728989nfi; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h1si5676737nfe.2006.06.05.14.00.10; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:00:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnM9P-0002n0-0Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:58:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnM9O-0002mr-AV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:58:14 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.37]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FnM9J-0000OS-6O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:58:14 +0100 Received: from 88-106-206-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.206.135]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 05 Jun 2006 21:57:55 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAJo1hESJVyw Received: from 88-106-206-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.206.135]:3614 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FnM4R-000AB9-0I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:53:07 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:57:58 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <4484A469.31852.2C33215@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.902,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: RE: FNY, CPM and XDV Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C688EB.1B660240" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5283 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C688EB.1B660240 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Mike, That looks good now. Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Mike Dennison Sent: 05 June 2006 21:39 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: FNY, CPM and XDV I have moved slightly LF. 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73ce78a9af75eee97371300ecc0a5ad39e37e81d Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs30528wrc; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 20:50:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.92.15 with SMTP id u15mr2940693nfl; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q28si3951041nfc.2006.06.09.20.49.59; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:49:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FouQh-00065F-Ob for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 04:46:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FouQh-000656-9v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 04:46:31 +0100 Received: from olympus.pncl.co.uk ([195.224.180.233] 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autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.024,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.045 Subject: LF: JITO Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C68C48.8668B1E0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5284 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C68C48.8668B1E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I suspect this was the problem ICOM had with the early 706's which used = DTCXO's and were really poor but the later 706 Mk 2's substituted a = traditional TCXO and were much better. Walter G3JKV. Original: David,=20 yes indeed, some measurements we made a few years ago did indicate = that the phase noise can be fairly high.=20 It all depends, of course on whatever application you are = contemplating. 73 Andr=E9 N4ICK ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C68C48.8668B1E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I suspect this was the problem ICOM had with the early 706's which = used=20 DTCXO's and were really poor but the later 706 Mk = 2's substituted=20 a traditional TCXO and were much better.

Walter G3JKV.

Original:

David,=20
yes indeed, some measurements we made a few years ago did indicate = that=20 the phase noise can be fairly high.
It all depends, of course on = whatever=20 application you are contemplating.
73
Andr=E9 N4ICK = ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C68C48.8668B1E0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206336456430977085 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 96909ba0be00a84ee81426c5ca3e9ee67562d3eb Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs5104wrc; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.21.7 with SMTP id 7mr944473huu; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 2si625973huc.2006.06.16.03.01.34; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 03:01:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FrB3I-0005Mo-GQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:55:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FrB3H-0005Mf-MM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:55:43 +0100 Received: from grunt2.ihug.co.nz ([203.109.254.42]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FrB3D-00070y-Qj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:55:43 +0100 Received: from 203-109-182-194.dialup.ihug.co.nz (cobaltxp) [203.109.182.194] by grunt2.ihug.co.nz with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1FrB34-00065R-00; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:55:31 +1200 Message-ID: <000e01c6912b$003878c0$c2b66dcb@cobaltxp> From: "Murray ZL1BPU" To: References: <44894231.30866.D42969@localhost><00b601c68baa$e8cf78d0$26180d54@traceydlqceh0p> <44894CF9.4080102@usa.net><4491E6FB.2020705@usa.net> <20060616022030.coqaz7zeo7y8wgw8@webmail.versatel.de> <002101c6910f$d5868e20$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 21:55:28 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.115 Subject: LF: Re: Re: PAs Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5286 Uwe, It certainly looks like 2nd harmonic problems to me too, probably linearity (gain) imbalance. Another thing you will have discovered is that with the harmonic information Peter mentioned, the SWR meter or bridge (if you use one) won't give good nulls, because the harmonic content won't be matched at the antenna tuner. Either you need a rather better low pass filter, or to sort out the non-linearity. My LF TX operates in Class D (can't get more nonlinear than that) but the waveform is nicely sinusoidal at the antenna. Mind you, third harmonic is my problem, not second. 73, Murray ZL1BPU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205987865630315031 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 7953fec2bd31ac76534a53b6c1ba791b42070486 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs13226wrc; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.52.17 with SMTP id z17mr12260huz; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 39si912518hui.2006.06.12.06.40.50; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:40:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FpmZW-0005Xi-9q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:35:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FpmZV-0005XZ-Cw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:35:13 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FpmZR-0004zy-51 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:35:13 +0100 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1FpmZL-0007D2-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:35:03 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1FpmZE-00043j-Kv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:34:56 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:34:55 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c68e24$fe1bcf00$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000901c68d98$e2fe4d60$2102000a@ibm> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-Information: X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.801 Subject: LF: RE: Re:PA4VHF/p TX problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5294 Dear Dick, LF Group, The Siemens/Epcos N30 material is a high permeability ferrite specified = for EMC suppression purposes. The saturation flux density is somewhat lower = than materials like 3C85 etc, but probably the main problem will be the = higher core losses. The flux density due to the primary winding inductance = works out to around 100mT with 500W TX pwr, which might get close to = saturating the core at high temperature. It will certainly cause considerable power = to be dissipated due to the losses in the core. The Epcos data does not = specify the core loss (core not being used for its intended purpose - high = losses are an advantage for a "suppression" ferrite), but it must be at least several watts, which would certainly make the core get hot. A possible reason for the antenna current not increasing is corona, = which can be a real problem with a small antenna - as the voltage increases, = the power loss in the corona discharge gets higher, which leads to increased antenna loss resistance, which prevents the current from rising much - a kind of self-limiting effect on antenna current. I used to get this when = I started running QRO on LF. The corona can be hard to detect, but the = usual tell-tale sign is that something catches fire eventually!=20 Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Dick Sent: 11 June 2006 21:51 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re:PA4VHF/p TX problems First off all thanks to Mal and James for picking up my signals. Thanks Alan for your comments. Well, I did tune the system with the help of a low power TX before = running high power. I think the problem might be caused by the step up transformer I used to = go from 50 to 150 Ohm, before coupling into the vario meter. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207003870988988079 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 358fcf62e2ad0752f2f0afe0ed800f7f62adfbbb Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs8540wrc; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:58:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.85.9 with SMTP id n9mr3320019nfl; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l38si600562nfc.2006.06.24.04.58.03; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fu6jV-0007Mb-79 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:55:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fu6jU-0007MS-QO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:55:24 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.139]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fu6jR-0007Ky-IH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:55:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 90635 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2006 11:54:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.158.22 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2006 11:54:16 -0000 Message-ID: <003a01c69784$eb0972a0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <521.130bed0.31cc71fb@aol.com> <002301c69690$4cd321c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <200606231019250198.1433C814@smtp.wanadoo.fr> <005f01c696a6$b55dd1c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <449C03E7.9010007@wanadoo.fr> <002001c696e3$74317a20$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> <00a701c696f5$5231ff00$5ac428c3@captbrian> <001101c69757$d0da6380$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> <001a01c6977b$5e8cdfa0$787a7ad5@w4o8m9> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:54:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.153 Subject: LF: Re: Top-fed LF antenna idea Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5303 >From G3PLX: I am sure Jim is right to say "it's not quite true..". As I suggested in my reply to Brian, if a lot of the field lines just 'short-circuit' back to the top of the tower, then there isn't going to be much contribution from these. But I think it's possible to believe that if we have a small monopole sitting in the middle of a square ground area which is the size of the top of the tower-block, initially at ground-level, and we then raise it by jacking-up the tower underneath it, our transmitted signal will increase as we do so. It's well-known that you can work a lot further by taking a 2m handheld up a tower, but if you only think of surface-wave propagation theory, you would say that there wasn't any point in doing the same with a 136kHz 'hand-held'. If we can accept that the old Post Office work on the field-strength from ships is reliable (it's the height above the sea that counts, not the height above the transmitter), and we understand the mechanisms involved, we may gain quite a lot by taking, not just a small vertical monopole but any sort of metal object which can be deployed clear of the structure, to the top of something tall. 73 Peter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207003870988988079 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 44fba188c9648e90e2d57cf1a090423f45e20979 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs7560wrc; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 02:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.90.8 with SMTP id s8mr3261167nfl; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 02:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l32si706926nfa.2006.06.24.02.33.51; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 02:33:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fu4UU-00071X-Nd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:31:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fu4UU-00071O-85 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:31:46 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fu4UR-0006lg-6j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 10:31:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 66144 invoked from network); 24 Jun 2006 09:30:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.158.22 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2006 09:30:37 -0000 Message-ID: <002601c69770$d9f4d3b0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <521.130bed0.31cc71fb@aol.com> <002301c69690$4cd321c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <200606231019250198.1433C814@smtp.wanadoo.fr> <005f01c696a6$b55dd1c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <449C03E7.9010007@wanadoo.fr> <002001c696e3$74317a20$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> <00a701c696f5$5231ff00$5ac428c3@captbrian> <001101c69757$d0da6380$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> <002e01c6976a$63f891c0$121686d4@captbrian> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:30:37 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.162 Subject: LF: Re: Top-fed LF antenna idea Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5304 >From G3PLX: Brian said: >Why struggle with a short whip when on flat roof of many buildings is space >for a 70 foot horizontal ? The important thing is to maximise the RF current flowing 'into the sky' and minimise the RF current which is just flowing back round behind you into the earthy side of your transmitter. So whatever it is you are using as a way of generating an RF current in the top of the tower, it needs to be 'out there' rather than 'in here', otherwise the current just flows in a small loop at the top of the tower, with no associated radiation resistance. I think there's a law of physics which says that the effectiveness of an antenna is a function of how much of the sky you can fill with wire. It must ultimately derive from Murphy's law, which is best stated as "If something is going to be really worth doing then it's not going to be easy". 73 Peter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207003870988988079 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 93f035c2350f296e8c0611ac2d93927c908f5df5 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs63004wrc; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.47.19 with SMTP id u19mr2701372nfu; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o45si1159542nfa.2006.06.23.11.49.51; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 11:49:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ftqg9-0005Ih-5I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:46:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ftqg8-0005IY-Om for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:46:52 +0100 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Ftqg4-0001sn-Mw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:46:52 +0100 Received: from tnt-13-72.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.22.72] helo=captbrian) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1Ftqg3-000NHC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:46:47 +0100 Message-ID: <00a701c696f5$5231ff00$5ac428c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <521.130bed0.31cc71fb@aol.com> <002301c69690$4cd321c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <200606231019250198.1433C814@smtp.wanadoo.fr> <005f01c696a6$b55dd1c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <449C03E7.9010007@wanadoo.fr> <002001c696e3$74317a20$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:45:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Top-fed LF antenna idea Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5305 Similar arguments apply to early ships' aerials. The resonant frequencies claimed, only seem to work out if one adds to the height and half the horizontal of the aerial, ,the height of the metal deck/shack - which they regarded as "Earth" - above sea level. The aerial resonance seems to have determined the transmitted frequency ? by selecting from the broadband spark emission. The whole hull was radiating.!! G3GVB - Bryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Martinez" To: Sent: 23 June 2006 17:38 Subject: LF: Top-fed LF antenna idea > From G3PLX: > > Some of you may have seen my letter in the current RadCom, which suggests > that reports of unusually good performance of the electrically-small 'EH' > antennas may be the result of them being mounted on top of a tall structure, > and are effectively top-feeding the whole thing. > > It occurs to me that this might be a useful experiment to try on 136kHz if > someone is able to operate 'portable' from the top of a suitable structure, > like a telecom tower or the Eifel or Blackpool towers. What would be needed > would be some sort of capacity-hat, such as a fishing rod (or two) sticking > out into clear space from the top of the tower. It need not be vertical, so > long as most of it was clear of the structure. This would then be resonated > at the operating frequency and the whole thing fed against some metallic > part of the structure. Assuming the tower is one with public access, there > should be AC power up there from which to run the equipment, and the safety > ground wire of this should be sufficient, or there may be an acessible > lightning conductor. > > The capacity hat would inevitably be quite small and therefore the inductor > losses will be high, but against that there will be an enormous benefit > because a lot of the 'resistance' in the ground connection will be good > quality radiation resistance. We should be able to calculate what this is > from the height of the structure, and remember that we can assume that the > current up the tower will be fairly constant and not dropping linearly to > zero at the top like a base-fed tower would be, so the effective height is > the actual height, not half of it. The e.m.r.p. can then be calculated from > the product of this radiation resistance and the square of the current > flowing into the capacity hat. > > I am sure the principle is sound. Is it worth a try? > > 73 > Peter > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 21/06/06 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205359031910506937 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 1836c12c97406913245eebcb2eebb86167c254ea Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs8755wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 08:59:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.250.17 with SMTP id x17mr3512906ugh; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id w40si5657781ugc.2006.06.05.08.59.14; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:59:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnHRA-0001Fy-Tq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:56:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnHRA-0001Fp-HY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:56:16 +0100 Received: from smtpout05-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnHR7-0006nJ-IP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:56:16 +0100 Received: (qmail 6849 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 15:55:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout05-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.221) with ESMTP; 05 Jun 2006 15:55:00 -0000 Message-ID: <44845403.8010204@w1tag.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:55:47 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.107 Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRSS on 136.318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5310 Gary, My apologies -- you're right, of course! This is a case of trying to work and do radio email at the same time. John A. Gary - G4WGT wrote: > John, > > I believe the frequencies you mean are - NPG in 135.95KHz range & 135.922 > KHz EU activity ?? Hence now best 136.315 to 136.320 ish. > > 73 > > Gary - G4WGT > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of John Andrews > Sent: 05 June 2006 16:25 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRSS on 136.318 > > > David, > > The bandplan was disturbed when a military station (NPG) on the west > coast of the U.S. fired up in the 136.95 range. The signal was loud > enough in the eastern U.S. to affect the QRSS reception from EU stations > around 136.922 kHz. With CFH intermittently operating on 137.0 kHz > (clobbering +/- 400 kHz or more for many of us), and a number of eastern > U.S. experimental stations at the top end, the suggestion was made that > the EU QRSS operation move up above 136. At the time, I suggested > 136.318, as it offered a decent Loran line window over much of the U.S. > and Canada. > > I'm not sure of the status of the NPG operation at this point. If it has > finally gone off the air, then the original 136.922 region would again > be available. > > John Andrews, W1TAG > > > G0MRF@aol.com wrote: > >> Isn't QRSS 137+ or 135.7 ish on the bandplan? >> >> Not that there's much CW activity these days, but I would have thought >> the remote receivers are all set up for other frequencies. >> >> David >> >> >> > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205359031910506937 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a57c5e34c1918cbbc8ba2f506cdde87462db9a6b Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs7821wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 08:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.40.10 with SMTP id n10mr920704hun; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a18si954853hub.2006.06.05.08.45.22; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:45:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnHAt-00015Z-TX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:39:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnHAt-00015Q-H3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:39:27 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.38]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnHAq-0006dR-Mm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:39:27 +0100 Received: from 88-106-206-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.206.135]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 05 Jun 2006 16:39:14 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AQAAAAzng0SJVyw Received: from 88-106-206-135.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.206.135]:4943 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FnH9S-000DIM-Nt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:37:58 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:38:55 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <44844CE9.6000602@w1tag.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.509,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: RE: LF: Re: QRSS on 136.318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5311 John, I believe the frequencies you mean are - NPG in 135.95KHz range & 135.922 KHz EU activity ?? Hence now best 136.315 to 136.320 ish. 73 Gary - G4WGT -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of John Andrews Sent: 05 June 2006 16:25 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRSS on 136.318 David, The bandplan was disturbed when a military station (NPG) on the west coast of the U.S. fired up in the 136.95 range. The signal was loud enough in the eastern U.S. to affect the QRSS reception from EU stations around 136.922 kHz. With CFH intermittently operating on 137.0 kHz (clobbering +/- 400 kHz or more for many of us), and a number of eastern U.S. experimental stations at the top end, the suggestion was made that the EU QRSS operation move up above 136. At the time, I suggested 136.318, as it offered a decent Loran line window over much of the U.S. and Canada. I'm not sure of the status of the NPG operation at this point. If it has finally gone off the air, then the original 136.922 region would again be available. John Andrews, W1TAG G0MRF@aol.com wrote: > Isn't QRSS 137+ or 135.7 ish on the bandplan? > > Not that there's much CW activity these days, but I would have thought > the remote receivers are all set up for other frequencies. > > David > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205359031910506937 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 8f14ea32cfd7d426b5fae0eac32419356320aad3 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs7427wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 08:39:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.45.13 with SMTP id s13mr918515hus; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 33si1035487hue.2006.06.05.08.39.13; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:39:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnH7V-000108-1Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:35:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnH7U-0000zz-JI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:35:56 +0100 Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.7]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FnH7Q-0006fb-7B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:35:56 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id l.49a.1bd641c (14457) for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:35:42 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <49a.1bd641c.31b5a94e@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:35:42 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.836,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRSS on 136.318 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1149521742" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5312 -------------------------------1149521742 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks John and Alan for the update. - Must pay more attention! I wondered if it was a crystal based TX......But obviously a much more practical reason for going to 136.3. 73 from ( a sunny at last) London David In a message dated 05/06/2006 15:25:32 GMT Standard Time, w1tag@w1tag.com writes: David, The bandplan was disturbed when a military station (NPG) on the west coast of the U.S. fired up in the 136.95 range. The signal was loud enough in the eastern U.S. to affect the QRSS reception from EU stations around 136.922 kHz. With CFH intermittently operating on 137.0 kHz (clobbering +/- 400 kHz or more for many of us), -------------------------------1149521742 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks John and Alan for the update. - Must pay more attention!

I wondered if it was a crystal based TX......But obviously a much more=20 practical reason for going to 136.3.

73 from ( a sunny at last) London

David

In a message dated 05/06/2006 15:25:32 GMT Standard Time, w1tag@w1tag.c= om=20 writes:

David,

The bandplan was disturbed when a military station=20= (NPG)=20 on the west
coast of the U.S. fired up in the 136.95 range. The signal= was=20 loud
enough in the eastern U.S. to affect the QRSS reception from EU=20 stations
around 136.922 kHz. With CFH intermittently operating on 137.= 0=20 kHz
(clobbering +/- 400 kHz or more for many of us),=20

-------------------------------1149521742-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205359031910506937 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 257e2e8f9924ac860f09a8338132cf73430daae3 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs6782wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 08:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.58.11 with SMTP id g11mr905864hua; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 35si1043778huc.2006.06.05.08.28.58; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:28:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnGwq-0000rU-35 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:24:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnGwp-0000rL-Fl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:24:55 +0100 Received: from smtpout09-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnGwl-0006VN-AG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:24:55 +0100 Received: (qmail 32275 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 15:24:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout09-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.17) with ESMTP; 05 Jun 2006 15:24:38 -0000 Message-ID: <44844CE9.6000602@w1tag.com> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:25:29 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <494.2048ad9.31b5a042@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <494.2048ad9.31b5a042@aol.com> X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.150 Subject: Re: LF: Re: QRSS on 136.318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5313 David, The bandplan was disturbed when a military station (NPG) on the west coast of the U.S. fired up in the 136.95 range. The signal was loud enough in the eastern U.S. to affect the QRSS reception from EU stations around 136.922 kHz. With CFH intermittently operating on 137.0 kHz (clobbering +/- 400 kHz or more for many of us), and a number of eastern U.S. experimental stations at the top end, the suggestion was made that the EU QRSS operation move up above 136. At the time, I suggested 136.318, as it offered a decent Loran line window over much of the U.S. and Canada. I'm not sure of the status of the NPG operation at this point. If it has finally gone off the air, then the original 136.922 region would again be available. John Andrews, W1TAG G0MRF@aol.com wrote: > Isn't QRSS 137+ or 135.7 ish on the bandplan? > > Not that there's much CW activity these days, but I would have thought > the remote receivers are all set up for other frequencies. > > David > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205359031910506937 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 3a1908a4d8612a0d56bc45c00d49c0f3abecacfb Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs5479wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 08:05:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.24.12 with SMTP id 12mr897664hux; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 4si937796hue.2006.06.05.08.05.49; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:05:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnGZn-0000Wt-VS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:01:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnGZn-0000Wk-AQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:01:07 +0100 Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.1]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FnGZi-0006Je-Vo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:01:07 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id l.494.2048ad9 (14457) for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:57:08 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <494.2048ad9.31b5a042@aol.com> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:57:06 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.986,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: Re: QRSS on 136.318 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1149519426" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5314 -------------------------------1149519426 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Isn't QRSS 137+ or 135.7 ish on the bandplan? Not that there's much CW activity these days, but I would have thought the remote receivers are all set up for other frequencies. David In a message dated 05/06/2006 14:28:52 GMT Standard Time, cpm@planet.nl writes: hello all, this evening we will transmit qrss90. freq,136318hz freq.136319hz captures would be appreciated,and please let us know if you see any trace. -------------------------------1149519426 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Isn't QRSS 137+ or 135.7 ish on the bandplan? =20

Not that there's much CW activity these days, but I would have thought=20= the=20 remote receivers are all set up for other frequencies.

David

In a message dated 05/06/2006 14:28:52 GMT Standard Time, cpm@planet.nl= =20 writes:

hello all,

this evening we will transmit=20 qrss90.

freq,136318hz

freq.136319hz

captures would be appreciated,and please=20= let us=20 know if you see any trace.

-------------------------------1149519426-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205286960658369861 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 52ceaa30d9c36fa31d9f6459baf386c6b052131e Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs2295wrc; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.67.7 with SMTP id u7mr3760205nfk; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q28si4060905nfc.2006.06.04.13.00.17; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:00:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FmyjC-0006Kf-Ey for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:57:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FmyjB-0006KW-RL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:57:37 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([204.127.192.84]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fmyj7-0004YF-D8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:57:37 +0100 Received: from AIRPORTTERMINAL (c-71-234-114-84.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[71.234.114.84]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060604195649m14007q15je>; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 19:56:49 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c68810$3572ad40$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: References: Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 15:51:01 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.078,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: qrss60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C687EE.ADE3EE00" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5316 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C687EE.ADE3EE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the capture. XGJ and XES in there as well! Jay, W1VD / WD2XNS ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Victor van kooten=20 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 3:22 PM Subject: LF: RE: Re: qrss60 Hello all thanks for the reports and the monitoring,we will continue our = transmissions this evening and night.Attached is a capture from XNS from 4 april, 73 Victor Henny -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Jay Rusgrove Verzonden: zaterdag 3 juni 2006 22:03 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: qrss60 Victor Ran captures last night but saw nothing. Will try again tonight. Jay, W1VD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor van kooten" To: "blacksheep" Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 3:10 PM Subject: LF: qrss60 > This evening we will transmit again qrss60 > > 73 > > PA3CPM 136318 Hz > PA3FNY 136319 Hz > ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C687EE.ADE3EE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks for the capture. XGJ and XES in = there as=20 well!

Jay, W1VD / WD2XNS

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 Victor van=20 kooten

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20

Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 = 3:22 PM

Subject: LF: RE: Re: = qrss60

Hello all

thanks for the reports and the = monitoring,we=20 will continue our transmissions
this evening and night.Attached is = a=20 capture from XNS from 4=20 april,

73
Victor
Henny

-----Oorspronkelijk=20 bericht-----
Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl= acksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens=20 Jay Rusgrove
Verzonden: zaterdag 3 juni 2006 22:03
Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
Onderwerp:=20 LF: Re: qrss60

Victor

Ran captures last night but = saw=20 nothing. Will try again tonight.

Jay, W1VD

----- = Original=20 Message -----
From: "Victor van kooten" <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>
To: = "blacksheep" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= >
Sent:=20 Saturday, June 03, 2006 3:10 PM
Subject: LF: qrss60

> = This=20 evening we will transmit again qrss60
>
> = 73
>
>=20 PA3CPM 136318 Hz
> PA3FNY 136319=20 Hz
>

------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C687EE.ADE3EE00-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207302341107326378 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 9c5ea34cd524072a2619b83b137c7ae76a6c8035 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs166372qbh; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:53:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.55.18 with SMTP id h18mr5204700nfk; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x24si2437138nfb.2006.06.26.18.53.54; Mon, 26 Jun 2006 18:53:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fv2jv-0000A5-IH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 02:51:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fv2jv-00009w-8C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 02:51:43 +0100 Received: from fep02.xtra.co.nz ([210.54.141.244]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fv2jr-0003uD-Em for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 02:51:43 +0100 Received: from sooby.xtra.co.nz ([210.55.47.209]) by fep02.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060627015125.MNMP17995.fep02.xtra.co.nz@sooby.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:51:25 +1200 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.1.20060627133231.019f52e0@xtra.co.nz> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 13:49:19 +1200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Brenda Hayes Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Spark Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5317 ..........Now if historic spark transmitters were permitted that could be fun. I havn't operated spark since I was 12 years old. It was (slightly) unofficial...... So did I, at about the same age, using a Ford coil which I still own. It worked well, on an inverted L antenna, and obliterated all broadcasting reception in my small country town. The nearest broadcasting station was a hundred miles away so my state of the art transmitter had an easy victory. Needless to say, I did a fast close-down before the dreaded Radio Inspector hit town. A rather late confession. Kevin ZL4MD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206300103233216983 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: f173f02d1c2e3c4213781a8dc70c97a571558cc0 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs14045wrc; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.14.1 with SMTP id 1mr1078941nfn; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l27si2484673nfa.2006.06.15.17.23.45; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:23:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fr24n-0004Cc-U9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 01:20:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fr24n-0004CT-AZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 01:20:41 +0100 Received: from mxout01.versatel.de ([212.7.152.117]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fr24j-0003aA-8v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 01:20:41 +0100 Received: from mx03.versatel.de (mx01.versatel.de [212.7.146.1]) by mxout01.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5G0KUit023954 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 02:20:33 +0200 Received: from localhost ([62.214.100.62]) by mx03.versatel.de (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5G0KUGw021762 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 02:20:30 +0200 Received: from i577a4771.versanet.de (i577a4771.versanet.de [87.122.71.113]) by webmail.versatel.de (Horde MIME library) with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 02:20:30 +0200 Message-ID: <20060616022030.coqaz7zeo7y8wgw8@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 02:20:30 +0200 From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <44894231.30866.D42969@localhost> <00b601c68baa$e8cf78d0$26180d54@traceydlqceh0p> <44894CF9.4080102@usa.net> <4491E6FB.2020705@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4491E6FB.2020705@usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.799,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: PAs Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_4lso61cgrslc" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5322 This message is in MIME format. --=_4lso61cgrslc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I`m somewhat surprised / disappointed: I tested the TX aerial with the ROPEX (157W) and with the homebrew PA (reduced to 150W). ROPEX: phase of V and A on the feeder cable OK. Homebrew: phase of V and A = chaotic (but it works). see oszilloscope pics. the feeder is a 90m long koax cable RG213U. if connecting a 50 Ohm dummy instead of the aerial both TXs show the same in phase of V and A. the matching -, loading system in this case is simple: length of the fixed coil = 208mm, length of the inner variable coil = 110mm. diameter of the fixed coil from centre to centre of wire = 404mm, of the variable coil = 364mm. windings = 30. (Z=50? at 8 windings for 150W LF power and at 7 windings for 800W). space between centres of neighboring windings (pitch) = 6mm. the aerial is a 16m vertical with elevated coil 12m high and 270m horizontal wires. what is it the homebrew 4 x IRFP450 PA doesn?t like? 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References: <062620061532.28851.449FFE19000BD09E000070B322064244130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> <00be01c6995a$92677d40$76ce28c3@captbrian> <1Fv26K-29uoi10@fwd34.sul.t-online.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: RSGB seeks 501-504 kHz for Expermintal license Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5333 It seems 500 kHz marine radios had many strange "features". During my army service I was posted well inland, in Western Macedonia, at the town of Grevena. I had a Racal HF military radio, usualy tuned on 7045 kHz LSB for ham chat, except when there was a sched in the military bands. Well, one day I was tuning up and down, and suddenly I heard a greek ferry calling SXE (Aspropyrgos Coast Guard) in CW, passing a departure announcement for Syros & Tinos islands. The frequency was 5001 kHz, the 10th harmonic of 500 kHz!! 73, Costas SV1XV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205926400744365988 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 832b327ca4bafa01605fcd4db233d14b4160c607 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs8390wrc; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.25.9 with SMTP id c9mr5068218ugj; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m1si6242583ugc.2006.06.12.04.32.27; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 04:32:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fpkab-0005Gr-EV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:28:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fpkaa-0005Gi-Sj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:28:12 +0100 Received: from mxsf07.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.207]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FpkaW-0003C5-K0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:28:12 +0100 Received: from mxip34a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip34a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.249]) by mxsf07.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5CBRjZv002099 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 07:27:46 -0400 Received: from 24-177-53-244.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([24.177.53.244]) by mxip34a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 12 Jun 2006 07:27:46 -0400 Message-ID: <448D4204.3080706@w1tag.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 11:29:24 +0100 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <448C7BB6.7030003@w1tag.com> <1807596879.20060612092501@mTerrier.net> In-Reply-To: <1807596879.20060612092501@mTerrier.net> X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.332 Subject: Re: LF: XES WOLF Agn Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5334 Michel, Again, thanks! Your 0244 UTC run looks great -- stable frequency and framing, with increasing s/n. Also, thanks to Hartmut for yesterday's report. I will be off the air for the next two nights. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205926400744365988 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 7b853dac8a850659b803f5eff4d8c013d395314f Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs9196wrc; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.213.11 with SMTP id l11mr4586181nfg; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p43si605601nfa.2006.06.12.00.33.03; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 00:33:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FpgoJ-0004mk-9q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:26:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FpgoI-0004mb-B1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:26:06 +0100 Received: from smtp2-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.28]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FpgoD-0000PZ-UK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 08:26:06 +0100 Received: from [192.168.1.15] (nas-p19-1-62-147-79-63.dial.proxad.net [62.147.79.63]) by smtp2-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEC416D5B7 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:25:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 09:25:01 +0200 From: Michel F5WK X-Mailer: The Bat! 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John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206193956179693988 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: bfc5b4259c632b6d0462475e47e7176a0ac62961 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs12858wrc; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.19.14 with SMTP id w14mr675489nfi; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y23si1062790nfb.2006.06.14.13.16.35; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:16:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fqbhp-0001xG-0o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:11:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fqbho-0001x7-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:11:12 +0100 Received: from smtp-out04.alice.it ([85.37.17.100] helo=out4.alice.it) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fqbhk-0005FQ-0I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:11:12 +0100 Received: from FBCMMO03.fbc.local ([192.168.68.197]) by out4.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:11:01 +0200 Received: from client.alice.it ([192.168.68.142]) by FBCMMO03.fbc.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:11:01 +0200 Received: from ideq200s.spin-it.com ([87.30.69.168]) by client.alice.it with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:11:00 +0200 Message-Id: <7.0.1.0.2.20060614220839.03e27898@spin-it.com> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:10:56 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Marco Bruno In-Reply-To: <00ea01c68f9b$dc084470$258a0d54@traceydlqceh0p> References: <001501c68a76$9c02c8c0$0200a8c0@AUG2004> <4487EB8A.27171.B415B8@localhost> <7.0.1.0.1.20060608082442.019be388@magma.ca> <003d01c68b06$d84b0e60$0300a8c0@lark> <7.0.1.0.1.20060608110701.01abbf60@magma.ca> <007101c68f0f$d0c34f60$2a870d54@traceydl <00ea01c68f9b$dc084470$258a0d54@traceydlqceh0p> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0624-1, 13/06/2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jun 2006 20:11:00.0305 (UTC) FILETIME=[A792EC10:01C68FEE] X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.325,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: SPM30 manual scans? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5345 Hi all, If somebody scans it with a good resoultion (600dpi) I will gladly host it on my web server. Up to 100MB file is not a problem. That may be useful to many people, I think. Marco IK1ODO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205168117367586826 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: f692da82548c963dda8f0290c0232074cd049a18 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs30943wrc; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 05:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.68.13 with SMTP id v13mr1572216nfk; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 05:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id v20si3442978nfc.2006.06.03.05.31.19; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 05:31:20 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FmVEz-0002Cx-MO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:28:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FmVEz-0002Co-6U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:28:29 +0100 Received: from newbox.tcp.net.uk ([195.80.0.243]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FmVEv-0004VP-7L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 13:28:29 +0100 Received: from [212.248.140.29] ([212.248.140.29]) by newbox.tcp.net.uk (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k53CXQq0028157; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 13:33:28 +0100 (BST) Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.8.1/355]); Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:28:06 +0100 Message-ID: <003801c68700$c8f09e80$045bfea9@d4f8d8> From: "Andy Talbot" To: , References: <001101c6817e$4d9dafc0$2101a8c0@whitehead1> <001001c68263$71d5ad80$fe78a8c0@W1KW> <4479C3AA.7020104@freenet.de> <003501c68270$7fbc9050$fe78a8c0@W1KW> <005201c68335$ab37bd20$045bfea9@d4f8d8> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 12:28:06 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-TCP-MailScanner-Information: Please visit www.tcp.co.uk for more information X-TCP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TCP-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-TCP-MailScanner-From: actalbot@southsurf.com X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.118 Subject: LF: Experimental MF Beacon test - Update Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5346 I have now increased the power of this beacon to 10 Watts. It uses a clone of the PA designed for GB3ORK (described in RadComic last year) based around an MRF137 operating in class AB1. As this is the weekend and I'm at home 24/7, it will run continuously as an attended beacon. Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/355 - Release Date: 2006-06-02 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1203533621080903190 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 5f8b0b6ba37c927ea6d127b3c90915b4482a4868 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs10983wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.250.17 with SMTP id x17mr3550460ugh; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id u1si6358761uge.2006.06.05.09.39.51; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:39:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnI2h-0001a9-HT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:35:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnI2h-0001a0-3Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:35:03 +0100 Received: from sj-iport-5.cisco.com ([171.68.10.87]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnI2c-00076l-VW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:35:03 +0100 Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Jun 2006 09:32:41 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,211,1146466800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="288931227:sNHT6690978448" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k55GWegC000503 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:32:40 -0700 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k55GWdLf001354 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 18:32:39 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.21.120.201] (sjc-vpn6-201.cisco.com [10.21.120.201]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA26040 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 17:32:38 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <44845CA5.2000904@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 17:32:37 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003e01c678db$dc5cad70$0200a8c0@AUG2004> <44832B6D.3000805@g3ysx.org.uk> <44842AF4.2090802@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <44842AF4.2090802@verizon.net> Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1.cisco.com; header.From=stewart@g3ysx.org.uk; dkim=neutral X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.704,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.045 Subject: Re: LF: Rb standard Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060402020207030709060104" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5351 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060402020207030709060104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andre Kesteloot wrote: > Stewart Bryant wrote: > >> Walter Blanchard wrote: >> >>> A number of TAIT T801 frequency standards have just appeared on the >>> UK surplus market. >>> They're ex-cellphone bases and I understand have been ditched in >>> favour of GPS-locked standards. >> >> It's more likely that they are now getting their clock from the PSTN >> network. >> >> Stewart G3YSX >> > but don't they rely on GPS for geographical location of mobile > callers? In that case, would they use two separate time references ? Andre, They do not provide the US style exact location service over here. The only requirement on the EU systems is frequency. All of the providers that I have spoken to get this for free from the PSTN. When the network moves to VoIP via metro Ethernet that, as you can imagine, gives rise to a problem. GPS is unlikely to be the solution for many technical, economic and political reasons. Now it's possible that they are doing timing measurement, or some retiming because of a network jitter problem. It's also possible (and more likely) that these Rb systems are a relic of their analogue network (which did use free running oscillators) and which is being cleared out of the base stations to make room for next generation equipment. If that is the case, then there will be a lot of them, but they will all be quite old. - Stewart G3YSX --------------060402020207030709060104 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Andre Kesteloot wrote:

Stewart Bryant wrote:

Walter Blanchard wrote:

A number of TAIT T801 frequency standards have just appeared on the UK surplus market.

They're ex-cellphone bases and I understand have been ditched in favour of GPS-locked standards.

It's more likely that they are now getting their clock from the PSTN network.

Stewart G3YSX

but don't they rely on GPS for geographical location of mobile callers? In that case, would they use two separate time references ?

Andre,

They do not provide the US style exact location service over here.

The only requirement on the EU systems is frequency. All of the providers that I have spoken
to get this for free from the PSTN. When the network moves to VoIP via metro Ethernet
that, as you can imagine, gives rise to a problem. GPS is unlikely to be the solution for
many technical, economic and political reasons.

Now it's possible that they are doing timing measurement, or some retiming because
of a network jitter problem.

It's also possible (and more likely) that these Rb systems are a relic of their analogue
network (which did use free running oscillators) and which is being cleared out
of the base stations to make room for next generation equipment. If that is the case,
then there will be a lot of them, but they will all be quite old.

- Stewart G3YSX

--------------060402020207030709060104-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1203533621080903190 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 5da78de6ff70b9ae22efa4c062b1a76941b9431b Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs24916wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 06:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.67.89.6 with SMTP id r6mr3365530ugl; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 06:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m1si6090540uge.2006.06.05.06.05.27; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 06:05:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnEhT-00082U-Ir for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:00:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnEhS-00082L-Bk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:00:54 +0100 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.42]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnEhP-00058J-HT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:00:54 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([141.156.216.47]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J0E00BYN1H2FDD2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:00:41 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:00:36 -0400 From: Andre Kesteloot In-reply-to: <44832B6D.3000805@g3ysx.org.uk> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <44842AF4.2090802@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <003e01c678db$dc5cad70$0200a8c0@AUG2004> <44832B6D.3000805@g3ysx.org.uk> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060414 X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-2.529,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.045,MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.158 Subject: Re: LF: Rb standard Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5352 Stewart Bryant wrote:

Walter Blanchard wrote:

A number of TAIT T801 frequency standards have just appeared on the UK surplus market.

They're ex-cellphone bases and I understand have been ditched in favour of GPS-locked standards.

It's more likely that they are now getting their clock from the PSTN network.

Stewart G3YSX

but don't they rely on GPS for geographical location of mobile callers? In that case, would they use two separate time references ?
73
André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1203533621080903190 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: ea20c5e306e95ba7ab028dd5884bee157dfacb95 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs21649wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 04:00:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.68.13 with SMTP id v13mr3069616nfk; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 04:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k24si5211254nfc.2006.06.05.04.00.07; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 04:00:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnCgX-0007jp-4E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:51:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnCgW-0007jg-Lw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:51:48 +0100 Received: from sj-iport-4.cisco.com ([171.68.10.86]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnCgR-00047w-Gs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 11:51:48 +0100 Received: from sj-dkim-1.cisco.com ([171.71.179.21]) by sj-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Jun 2006 03:51:36 -0700 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,210,1146466800"; d="scan'208,217"; a="1819211705:sNHT59832936" Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (ams-core-1.cisco.com [144.254.224.150]) by sj-dkim-1.cisco.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k55ApY9M018471 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 03:51:34 -0700 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k55ApXLf005767 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:51:33 +0200 (MEST) Received: from [10.21.120.201] (sjc-vpn6-201.cisco.com [10.21.120.201]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA23371 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 11:51:32 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <44832B6D.3000805@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 19:50:21 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003e01c678db$dc5cad70$0200a8c0@AUG2004> In-Reply-To: <003e01c678db$dc5cad70$0200a8c0@AUG2004> Authentication-Results: sj-dkim-1.cisco.com; header.From=stewart@g3ysx.org.uk; dkim=neutral X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.323,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.045 Subject: Re: LF: Rb standard Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------080908050407090606020007" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=DATE_IN_PAST_12_24,HTML_40_50, HTML_MESSAGE,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5353 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080908050407090606020007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Walter Blanchard wrote: > A number of TAIT T801 frequency standards have just appeared on the UK > surplus market. > They're ex-cellphone bases and I understand have been ditched in > favour of GPS-locked standards. It's more likely that they are now getting their clock from the PSTN network. Stewart G3YSX > --------------080908050407090606020007 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Walter Blanchard wrote:

A number of TAIT T801 frequency standards have just appeared on the UK surplus market.

They're ex-cellphone bases and I understand have been ditched in favour of GPS-locked standards.

It's more likely that they are now getting their clock from the PSTN network.

Stewart G3YSX

--------------080908050407090606020007-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205793768676592243 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: bc438abbf5bdf07a4a9b977b690ff541cfbe93c1 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs40634wrc; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:15:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.7.1 with SMTP id k1mr2992315nfi; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a24si2081764nfc.2006.06.10.03.15.47; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:15:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fp0TO-0007K5-5q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:13:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fp0TN-0007Jw-MI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:13:41 +0100 Received: from smtp1.versatel.nl ([62.58.50.88]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fp0TK-0007C1-0k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 11:13:41 +0100 Received: (qmail 26842 invoked by uid 0); 10 Jun 2006 10:12:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ibm) ([62.59.190.38]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp1.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 10 Jun 2006 10:12:29 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c68c75$02902060$2102000a@ibm> From: "Dick" To: Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 12:02:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.141,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: 136.5kHz CW activety Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5356 Hello all, just a short mesage about my 136kHz activety. Antenna is up and working, but problems with new TX protection circuit, some flash overs in output circuit and also destroyed my LF SWR meter........ At present time I am able to run about 500W input with the old TX. Antenna current around 1Ampere. I have problems to be QRV on 80m.......so activety will be purely random. Working frequency will always be 136.50kHz, so please keep your RX onm this QRG. I will try to be QRV on 144.300MHz SSB today afternoon/evening direction DL with callsign PI4ZUT looking also for posible skeds on 136.5kHz. Have to go back to the fieldday QTH now..... 73 Dick, PA4VHF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205903251970779181 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 597353abaa73ed1d915311404f134e11dbbb3d93 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs1034wrc; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.17.4 with SMTP id 4mr238453huq; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 30si695225hub.2006.06.11.08.15.57; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:15:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FpRau-00036f-QK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:11:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FpRat-00036W-NE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:11:15 +0100 Received: from smtp2.versatel.nl ([62.58.50.89]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FpRap-0000Cd-Ea for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 16:11:15 +0100 Received: (qmail 4976 invoked by uid 0); 11 Jun 2006 15:10:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ibm) ([62.59.190.96]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp2.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 11 Jun 2006 15:10:58 -0000 Message-ID: <000501c68d67$e09755c0$2102000a@ibm> From: "Dick" To: Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:00:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.774,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: PA4VHF/p fieldday report Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5367 Well, back home again after some 136kHz tests this weekend. Several unexpected problems showed up, so there's still work to do on the station. I wasn't able to put my new transmitter with 4xIRFP450 on the air. It did work prefectly on a 50Ohm dummy load, but with the antenna connected I just couldn't get it into the air. The SWR protection continiously came in, even when reducing the drainvoltage to 40 Volts. I tried to re-adjust the SWR protection circuit, but that didn't help either. I once get some power out for a fraction of a second, just enough to see a flash over some-where in the ouput filter. I had to run the good old 2xIRFP260 transmitter (G0MRF) and that one did work excellent. No problem at all to run 60V/9A input, producing over 1 Amp antenna current. However, after long and desperate CQ-calls the first transformer (a large 50mm ring core) that matches the 50 Ohm coax upto around 150-200 Ohm got really hot............ That means ....... losses....... I also lost my LF SWR bridge.......due to loss of the diodes, I think. Despite this I managed to make 1 QSO by incidence. It was yesterday afternoon, when after some tests I was talking with some people standing around the station. Suddenly I heard someone tuning up on my receiver, which was still with its speaker on in the background. I immidiatly ran to the receiver, searching for the one tuning. It was Mal, G3KEV CQ-ing! I had to call hime once, and the was was made! In front of several fellow hams, and a TV-camera from someone making a video film about HAM radio. So, dispite all at least an QSO completed. Now, I have to figure out what went wrong, and how to solve this. Somehow the number of turns in the output circuit of the TX is not right......... I think I wasn't able to reduce the power produced by the 4 FET unit, enough to get it out of the protection area. This weekend raised also the question, if I should go on with the preparations for the LX/PA6Z expedition, because of the fact that I didn't hear anybody else except Mal............... and some QRSS station on 136.3...... Well thanks all for listening, and calling (if there was somebody calling, hi....) Maybe WX was too nice to operate..... I will keep you all informed about further activeties. 73 Dick, PA4VHF/p from JO32EE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206995943564434036 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 5d42d10fc69082914e4ec57b2aac3b4fe909d04f Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs60924wrc; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.55.18 with SMTP id h18mr2623443nfk; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l27si3140612nfa.2006.06.23.09.43.50; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:43:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ftog0-0004wU-QY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:38:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ftog0-0004wL-AN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:38:36 +0100 Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.200]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Ftofx-00014w-5J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 17:38:36 +0100 Received: (qmail 78754 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 16:38:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@86.135.54.253 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 16:38:27 -0000 Message-ID: <002001c696e3$74317a20$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <521.130bed0.31cc71fb@aol.com> <002301c69690$4cd321c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <200606231019250198.1433C814@smtp.wanadoo.fr> <005f01c696a6$b55dd1c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> <449C03E7.9010007@wanadoo.fr> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:38:27 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.473 Subject: LF: Top-fed LF antenna idea Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5368 >From G3PLX: Some of you may have seen my letter in the current RadCom, which suggests that reports of unusually good performance of the electrically-small 'EH' antennas may be the result of them being mounted on top of a tall structure, and are effectively top-feeding the whole thing. It occurs to me that this might be a useful experiment to try on 136kHz if someone is able to operate 'portable' from the top of a suitable structure, like a telecom tower or the Eifel or Blackpool towers. What would be needed would be some sort of capacity-hat, such as a fishing rod (or two) sticking out into clear space from the top of the tower. It need not be vertical, so long as most of it was clear of the structure. This would then be resonated at the operating frequency and the whole thing fed against some metallic part of the structure. Assuming the tower is one with public access, there should be AC power up there from which to run the equipment, and the safety ground wire of this should be sufficient, or there may be an acessible lightning conductor. The capacity hat would inevitably be quite small and therefore the inductor losses will be high, but against that there will be an enormous benefit because a lot of the 'resistance' in the ground connection will be good quality radiation resistance. We should be able to calculate what this is from the height of the structure, and remember that we can assume that the current up the tower will be fairly constant and not dropping linearly to zero at the top like a base-fed tower would be, so the effective height is the actual height, not half of it. The e.m.r.p. can then be calculated from the product of this radiation resistance and the square of the current flowing into the capacity hat. I am sure the principle is sound. 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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C67BE7.5AA82A70-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206455501761165824 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 90a512bdee75f16477d03f325097ba4b922bd72a Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs17065wrc; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.57.11 with SMTP id f11mr1421410hua; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 32si1181836hui.2006.06.17.10.33.44; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 10:33:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Frede-00080X-MZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:31:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Frede-00080O-8J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:31:14 +0100 Received: from smtpout0157.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.157] helo=n082.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Freda-0000Om-1F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:31:14 +0100 Received: from g3kev (62.252.228.23) by n082.sc1.cp.net (7.2.073) id 4492FB9300010F73 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:30:59 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c69233$ce4c92b0$17e4fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 17:30:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.033 Subject: LF: LF LOW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5381 LF seems to be an all time low, no acty at all recently, it is hardly worth the effort.The internet and mobile phones seem to be a better bet, followed by vhf/uhf then hf if you want to talk to someone. Most operators are now appliance ops, no cw or technical skills required any more.The norm now is buy a box, plug in and go. In fact most amateurs today cannot solder, or even change a fuse, hardly amateur radio. 73 G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205078195661685241 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 18dc37739cd7ae416c208278bf8432c35a09a412 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs15109wrc; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 05:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.91.12 with SMTP id t12mr707139nfl; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 05:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o9si2377599nfa.2006.06.02.05.42.03; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 05:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: bad (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fm8uH-0006tg-RV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:37:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fm8uH-0006tX-Am for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:37:37 +0100 Received: from py-out-1112.google.com ([64.233.166.183]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fm8uD-0003cx-6E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 13:37:37 +0100 Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id i75so669970pye for ; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 05:36:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=h0LIfXTKOHzDz8DFo3r/R8KDHojMZqn+TGbzCuV35Y8K4YRmmlBLNRESZTuropcu5185aCNa7UHdP7hxV6vn9jw2p59Vo/WQlA1Cjq9ukRwDBgoMOc6iQBXwyPLrTU36pCqRPU/Sc2uMvZYmuMJjY1dRnwEgx/XNtydmeVFc0m0= Received: by 10.35.40.10 with SMTP id s10mr2337730pyj; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 05:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.75.6 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 05:36:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 14:36:30 +0200 From: "Eduardo EA3GHS" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.7 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,RAZOR2_CF_RANGE_51_100=1.485,RAZOR2_CHECK=0.15,RCVD_BY_IP=0.024 Subject: LF: =?WINDOWS-1252?Q?Longwave_at_EA_QRP_CLUB=92s_annual_meeting?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6384_4156379.1149251790175" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5384 ------=_Part_6384_4156379.1149251790175 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hello! Tomorrow, June 3, will be the annual meeting of the EA QRP CLUB (http://www.eaqrp.com) at Sinarcas, near Valencia. I will give a small talk about the longwave basics. You can view the slides here (in Spanish): http://usuarios.lycos.es/ea3ghs/vlf/OndaLargaYMediaParaAficionadosALaOndaCorta.pdf 73 Eduardo, EA3GHS ------=_Part_6384_4156379.1149251790175 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hello!

Tomorrow, June 3, will be the annual meeting of the EA QRP CLUB
(http://www.eaqrp.com) at Sinarcas, near Valencia.
I will give a small talk about the longwave basics.
You can view the slides here (in Spanish):

http://usuarios.lycos.es/ea3ghs/vlf/OndaLargaYMediaParaAficionadosALaOndaCorta.pdf

73 Eduardo, EA3GHS

------=_Part_6384_4156379.1149251790175-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206923102832104110 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 1226636cbb21054e52b5b9d1193140bd6b780ab5 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs34725wrc; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:26:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.81.12 with SMTP id i12mr1802640nfl; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l27si2213953nfa.2006.06.22.14.26.03; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:26:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FtWcs-0002Hd-Dd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:22:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FtWcr-0002HU-N0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:22:09 +0100 Received: from smtp.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.121]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FtWcn-0003ST-CG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:22:09 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO traceydlqceh0p) (89.240.146.45) by smtp.talktalk.net with ESMTP; 22 Jun 2006 22:20:16 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.2/370]); Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:20:26 +0100 Message-ID: <00c801c69641$ade7d450$2d92f059@traceydlqceh0p> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <000001c69140$d0843ea0$e6a4c593@RD40002> <00bc01c6963d$df5b1e60$3d1a86d4@captbrian> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:20:25 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: 48 volt 18 amp PSUs Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5407 I was in Anchor Supplies in Nottingham today and they had boxes and boxes full of brand new and boxed Eltek 48v 18 amp switched mode power supplies. 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I will need to connect to the multi-pin > accessory socket that has fixed level audio for Argo. 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(mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id l.3d9.37e0bd3 (62952) for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:07:46 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <3d9.37e0bd3.31b35422@aol.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:07:46 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.072,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: qrss60 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_3d9.37e0bd3.31b35422_boundary" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_30_40,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5415 --part1_3d9.37e0bd3.31b35422_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henny and Victor, despite high static levels, two nice "O" signals in Nuernberg (JN59NK):=20 - 136319.1 FNY 0.6 =B5V/m - 136317.7 CPM 1.3 =B5V/m http://members.aol.com/df6nm/Grabber.htm 73 and good DX Markus, DF6NM In einer eMail vom 03.06.2006 21:11:34 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt= =20 vvkooten@wanadoo.nl:=20 > This evening we will transmit again qrss60 >=20 > 73 >=20 > PA3CPM 136318 Hz > PA3FNY 136319 Hz >=20 --part1_3d9.37e0bd3.31b35422_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Henny and Victor,

despite high static levels, two nice "O" signals in Nuernberg (JN59NK):
- 136319.1 FNY 0.6 =B5V/m
- 136317.7 CPM 1.3 =B5V/m
http://members.aol.com/= df6nm/Grabber.htm

73 and good DX
Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 03.06.2006 21:11:34 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt= vvkooten@wanadoo.nl:

This evening we will transmit a= gain qrss60

73

PA3CPM 136318 Hz
PA3FNY 136319 Hz

--part1_3d9.37e0bd3.31b35422_boundary-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205193381136199789 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a93fa47cdff4a99d369397906485bdb1f4a639ff Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs39738wrc; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 12:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.67.7 with SMTP id u7mr2985556nfk; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id n23si3668149nfc.2006.06.03.12.12.53; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 12:12:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FmbWN-0002rE-I7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 20:10:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FmbWN-0002r5-57 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5416 This evening we will transmit again qrss60 73 PA3CPM 136318 Hz PA3FNY 136319 Hz From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207445554149734253 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 5f74a4663dbbfa9e6dc2edc99d8e9f2191708f21 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs235214qbh; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.143.13 with SMTP id q13mr622647nfd; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id n23si8478779nfc.2006.06.28.08.50.12; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 08:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FvcFM-0003N9-BO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:46:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FvcFL-0003N0-Rq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:46:31 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FvcFG-0005LB-Qn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 16:46:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 89640 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2006 15:45:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.159.243 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Jun 2006 15:45:18 -0000 Message-ID: <00f301c69ac9$db1eca50$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: <44A1A77C.22419.4C034E0@localhost> <3.0.6.32.20060628232029.00b76200@pop.netspace.net.au> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 15:45:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.239 Subject: LF: Spark Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5419 >From G3PLX; VK7RO said: >My guess is that the abbreviation gdo meant good-oh >and that 1 nr 4 meant one quarter. Surely "nr" is actually "dah-di-di-dah-dit", which we would know as "/", written as "NR" in the same way that we tend to write "SK" when we mean di-di-di-dah-di-dah. So "1 nr 4 inch" is indeed 1/4 inch. 73 Peter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205012915345097583 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 2e071fa3ca334c8b44207246325758aa33ab9375 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.72.5 with SMTP id u5cs10926wra; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 12:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.30.3 with SMTP id d3mr48307nfd; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l22si1552616nfc.2006.06.01.12.24.27; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 12:24:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FlsiX-0004aK-P4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 20:20:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FlsiX-0004aB-9f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 20:20:25 +0100 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.co.uk ([193.252.22.157] helo=smtp2.freeserve.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FlsiT-0008C5-Dj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 20:20:25 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3107.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C048F480008E for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 21:20:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from youry0mkaz8jaq (user-931.wfd74b.dsl.pol.co.uk [84.64.67.163]) by mwinf3107.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with SMTP id 8BEBC480008D for ; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 21:20:13 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060601192013573.8BEBC480008D@mwinf3107.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <004001c685b0$68ee16d0$a3434054@youry0mkaz8jaq> From: "Martin Evans" To: References: Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 20:20:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1807 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1807 X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.324,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: Re: PA3CPM Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5447 > PA3CPM > is currently transmitting on 136318 Hz QRSS60.He is looking forward for > reports from europe and beyond... > He will transmit until 10:00 UTC Locator JO22NC. > > 73 > PA3FNY ##################################################### Signal is O with dogboning here. Martin GW3UCJ. 20km North of Swansea, South Wales. IO81CR From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205303726009860196 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 4f61cac8b007ef3fe660d5ded3fa86bd8b1846ce Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs24141wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 05:46:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.69.7 with SMTP id r7mr708878hua; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 05:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 3si915986huc.2006.06.05.05.46.51; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 05:46:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnEOZ-0007vU-B8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:41:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnEOY-0007vL-ON for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:41:22 +0100 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FnEOU-00057z-FE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:41:22 +0100 Received: from fwd34.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1FnENV-000743-05; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:40:17 +0200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (ZBoG6rZdweu+3rEmvArB1tCA6BjpZ6b0h6Nsr6-UrjuQUEnFeT1DQ6@[84.145.231.103]) by fwd34.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1FnENP-0dqAKm0; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:40:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de (Hans-Joachim Brandt) To: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 5.00.0036 Date: 05 Jun 2006 12:39 GMT Message-ID: <1FnENP-0dqAKm0@fwd34.sul.t-online.de> X-ID: ZBoG6rZdweu+3rEmvArB1tCA6BjpZ6b0h6Nsr6-UrjuQUEnFeT1DQ6 X-TOI-MSGID: b5f931fe-a638-4c74-a87c-3dc630d3ea07 X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.878,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: QRP RF Ammeter Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="__Next_1149511193_Part196__" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5453 --__Next_1149511193_Part196__ Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Dear Weazle, the general rule for current transformers is that for frequency independan= t operation the inductive reactance of the secondary coil should be at leas= t five times the parallel resistor. The other aim ist to employ a ferrite t= oroid giving the highest inductance with the least number of turns. Therefo= re the Amidon material -75 should give best results (from those materials I= know, there may be even newer toroids with even higher AL values, for swit= ch-mode power supplies). Optimum choice of the parallel resistor will depen= d on the sensitivity of the meter available and its internal resistance. OKP 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB=20 =20 "J. B. Weazle McCreath" schrieb:=20 Hi Guys, I'm in need of the details on how to build an RF ammeter for the L= owfer freqs.Surfing the web has yielded plenty of info for the 137 band uni= ts, but they'remeant for much higher power. I expect that I'll need a lot = more turns on thesecondary of the current transformer, and likely a more se= nsitive movementfor the indicator. Any and all help is appreciated. 73, J.= B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr --__Next_1149511193_Part196__ Content-Type: Text/HTML; Charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable T-Online eMail

Dear Weazle,

the general rule for = current=20 transformers is that for frequency independant operation the inductive= =20 reactance of the secondary coil should be at least five times the parallel= =20 resistor. The other aim ist to employ a ferrite toroid giving the high= est=20 inductance with the least number of turns. Therefore the Amidon material -7= 5=20 should give best results (from those materials I know, there may be even ne= wer=20 toroids with even higher AL values, for switch-mode power supplies). Optimu= m=20 choice of the parallel resistor will depend on the sensitivity of the meter= =20 available and its internal resistance.

OKP

73 Ha-Jo,=20 DJ1ZB

"J. B. Weazle McCreath" <weazle@hurontel.on.ca&= gt;=20 schrieb:

=20

Hi Guys,

I'm in need of the details on how to build= an RF=20 ammeter for the Lowfer freqs.

Surfing the web has yielded plenty of info= for the=20 137 band units, but they're

meant for much higher power. I expec= t that=20 I'll need a lot more turns on the

secondary of the current transformer, = ;and=20 likely a more sensitive movement

for the indicator. Any and all help = is=20 appreciated.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and win= d=20 powered
EN93dr

--__Next_1149511193_Part196__-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205303726009860196 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 84c032703cab9c0b703f02fea5b3fd9bddeb7708 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs7780wrc; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:26:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.233.5 with SMTP id f5mr3895023nfh; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 17:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q27si3179997nfc.2006.06.04.17.26.46; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 17:26:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fn2sf-0006sF-5C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:23:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fn2se-0006s6-Mz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:23:40 +0100 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fn2sZ-0008Qr-BT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:23:40 +0100 Received: from server (dial-34.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.34]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 1CB3B1738F; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 20:22:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <006301c6882e$a05c1420$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: Cc: Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 00:28:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.847,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: QRP RF Ammeter Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0060_01C68837.00753D20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5454 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C68837.00753D20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Guys, I'm in need of the details on how to build an RF ammeter for the Lowfer = freqs. Surfing the web has yielded plenty of info for the 137 band units, but = they're meant for much higher power. I expect that I'll need a lot more turns = on the secondary of the current transformer, and likely a more sensitive = movement for the indicator. Any and all help is appreciated. 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr ------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C68837.00753D20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Guys,

I'm in need of the details on how to = build an RF=20 ammeter for the Lowfer freqs.

Surfing the web has yielded plenty of = info for the=20 137 band units, but they're

meant for much higher power. I = expect that=20 I'll need a lot more turns on the

secondary of the current = transformer, and=20 likely a more sensitive movement

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73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and = wind=20 powered
EN93dr

------=_NextPart_000_0060_01C68837.00753D20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206921322453159741 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: cf5fb9cd95d7e150c74bd0ee0996cd20994f9d87 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs48967wrc; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.163.7 with SMTP id l7mr2238807nfe; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k9si2755900nfc.2006.06.23.01.56.11; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:56:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FthIc-0003mo-Aa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:45:58 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FthIb-0003mf-QY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:45:57 +0100 Received: from ns1.switchnet.com ([209.59.197.26] helo=server.switchnet.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FthIX-0007Dv-Ff for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 09:45:57 +0100 Received: from gw2.scgroup.com ([192.55.123.4] helo=snxp) by server.switchnet.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1FthIV-0007Rz-Bs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:45:51 -0700 From: "Stewart Nelson" To: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 01:45:50 -0700 Organization: SC Group Message-ID: <007501c696a1$6e08f660$7701a8c0@snxp> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Thread-Index: AcaWkTf3teo+SP5OQb2fG4p1RbePUwAECGKg In-Reply-To: <002301c69690$4cd321c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server.switchnet.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - scgroup.com X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: RE: LF: where is 1st. harmonic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5465 > That's because you kids who have been separated by rebellion for 230 years > next week don't know the meaning of words in English. Well, some other folks who have been separated by contract for 9 years next week seem to agree with us Yankees. In Chinese, floors are counted the same as in the US: $B0lO0(B (one-floor) is at ground level, $BFsO0(B (two-floor) is the next one up, and so on. However, when speaking English in Hong Kong, the British counting scheme is employed, so the 'first floor' is one flight up from ground level. As a result, to properly interpret the floor number, you have to consider what language is being spoken! Even worse are the elevators. Most have buttons labeled with Arabic numerals, which are of course neither British nor Chinese. And most, but not all, follow the English system. How do you tell? You look to see whether there is a floor zero! Do you think we'll have to wait for 2047 to get this fixed ? > A floor is a raised platform . Try an _English_ dictionary.;-)) You must have looked hard to find that biased definition ;) The O.E.D. defines the relevant meaning as equivalent to 'storey': "a part of a building comprising all the rooms that are on the same level." Princeton WordNet says: "a structure consisting of a room or set of rooms at a single position along a vertical scale." BTW, John, would a message such as this one (plain text but non-ASCII ISO encoding) cause any problems on the lowfer list? --Stewart From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206921322453159741 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: aa9578b8e58c2febf393db68035d4d2439e2cab7 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs47192wrc; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.242.3 with SMTP id p3mr2162949nfh; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r33si2664217nfc.2006.06.22.23.55.07; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:55:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FtfPV-0003SW-H8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:44:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FtfPV-0003SN-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:44:57 +0100 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FtfPQ-0006H2-Sy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:44:56 +0100 Received: from tnt-2-90.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.90] helo=captbrian) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1FtfOB-000PHO-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:43:36 +0100 Message-ID: <002301c69690$4cd321c0$5ac428c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <521.130bed0.31cc71fb@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 07:41:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: LF: where is 1st. harmonic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5466 That's because you kids who have been separated by rebellion for 230 years next week don't know the meaning of words in English. A floor is a raised platform . Try an _English_ dictionary.;-)) The ground is not a raised platform so it is not a floor. If you have several raised platforms above the ground level it is logical to call the first one you construct or come to:: the first _floor_ The French word Niveau really complicates things. Do you think this independence thing will last ? G3GVB ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 22 June 2006 23:21 Subject: Re: LF: where is 1st. harmonic > Rik's answer is sound (pun intended, as the whole thing relates back to > music). In physics, anything in sinusoidal oscillation is said to be in harmonic > motion. So, yes, the first harmonic is the fundamental frequency. > > Now, if you want to talk about a REAL mystery (or so it seems to those of us > outside the motherland, anyway) consider that first floor and first storey in > a building are synonymous here, but are two different levels on that side of > the pond. That's even worse than overtones not being quite synonymous with > harmonics. > > :-) > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 21/06/06 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206921322453159741 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: cc2b379c8df20cea41aeb0fbad3916fbfd4d237f Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs35895wrc; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.54.13 with SMTP id g13mr1860844nfk; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p72si642017nfc.2006.06.22.15.24.11; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 15:24:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FtXYp-0002ea-4D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:22:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FtXYo-0002eR-IJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:22:02 +0100 Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.8]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FtXYk-00048A-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:22:02 +0100 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id l.521.130bed0 (39332) for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:21:47 -0400 (EDT) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <521.130bed0.31cc71fb@aol.com> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 18:21:47 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5055 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.376,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: where is 1st. harmonic Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1151014907" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5467 -------------------------------1151014907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rik's answer is sound (pun intended, as the whole thing relates back to music). In physics, anything in sinusoidal oscillation is said to be in harmonic motion. So, yes, the first harmonic is the fundamental frequency. Now, if you want to talk about a REAL mystery (or so it seems to those of us outside the motherland, anyway) consider that first floor and first storey in a building are synonymous here, but are two different levels on that side of the pond. That's even worse than overtones not being quite synonymous with harmonics. :-) -------------------------------1151014907 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Rik's answer is sound (pun intended, as the whole thing relat= es back to music). In physics, anything in sinusoidal oscillation is s= aid to be in harmonic motion. So, yes, the first harmonic is the funda= mental frequency.

Now, if you want to talk about a REAL mystery (or so it seems= to those of us outside the motherland, anyway) consider that first floor an= d first storey in a building are synonymous here, but are two different leve= ls on that side of the pond. That's even worse than overtones not bein= g quite synonymous with harmonics.

:-)

-------------------------------1151014907-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206921322453159741 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 2525db7ea12b816f3cfffbb40208603f3cdf2135 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs34859wrc; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:33:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.81.12 with SMTP id i12mr1808939nfl; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m16si2219536nfc.2006.06.22.14.33.53; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 14:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FtWlD-0002Nz-DF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:30:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FtWlC-0002Nq-Ux for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:30:47 +0100 Received: from thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.45]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FtWl8-0003Xk-9l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:30:46 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC1AA13831E for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:30:36 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp02.kuleuven.be (lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.72]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C416E1381B3 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:30:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp02.kuleuven.be (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98D1C2CAAB4; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:30:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtp02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C81A2CAAB1 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:30:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 113.37-201-80.adsl.skynet.be (113.37-201-80.adsl.skynet.be [80.201.37.113]) by webmail2.kuleuven.be (IMP) with HTTP for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:30:31 +0200 Message-ID: <1151011831.449b0bf78518a@webmail2.kuleuven.be> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 23:30:31 +0200 From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c69140$d0843ea0$e6a4c593@RD40002> <00bc01c6963d$df5b1e60$3d1a86d4@captbrian> In-Reply-To: <00bc01c6963d$df5b1e60$3d1a86d4@captbrian> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2-cvs X-Originating-IP: 80.201.37.113 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: where is 1st. harmonic Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5468 Hello Brian, I guess it's just a matter of formulating things. Assuming that the harmonic number is the (integer) ratio between the fundamental frequency and the harmonic frequency then the 1st harmonic has a ratio of 1/1 with the fundamental. Or otherwise: 1st harmonic = fundamental 73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T Citeren captbrian : > The fundamental is not a harmonic so the first one is at twice the > fundamental freq. Why do people call it the second one? This has > puzzled me > since I was about 17 (just before the flood) > > Bryan G3GVB > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "james moritz" > To: > Sent: 16 June 2006 13:31 > Subject: LF: RE: PAs > > > Dear Uwe, LF Group, > > It certainly would be worth investigating where the apparent second > harmonic > distortion is coming from - > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206921322453159741 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 6bbe7005d84071e0134a69b3b47550464ea1ad5a Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs34306wrc; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.59.5 with SMTP id m5mr1772267nfk; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x24si1654051nfb.2006.06.22.13.57.46; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FtWCV-00029b-8c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:54:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FtWCU-00029S-Sa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:54:54 +0100 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.14]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FtWCQ-0003Bd-20 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:54:54 +0100 Received: from tnt-5-245.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.245] helo=captbrian) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1FtWBB-000KI9-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:53:34 +0100 Message-ID: <00bc01c6963d$df5b1e60$3d1a86d4@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <000001c69140$d0843ea0$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 21:52:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: where is 1st. harmonic Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5469 The fundamental is not a harmonic so the first one is at twice the fundamental freq. Why do people call it the second one? This has puzzled me since I was about 17 (just before the flood) Bryan G3GVB ----- Original Message ----- From: "james moritz" To: Sent: 16 June 2006 13:31 Subject: LF: RE: PAs Dear Uwe, LF Group, It certainly would be worth investigating where the apparent second harmonic distortion is coming from - From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205357023781387469 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 4b9fcfa056c9e7d39c535001964f8cbcf1b2edd9 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs3690wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:33:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.32.16 with SMTP id f16mr887414huf; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 20si945024huf.2006.06.05.07.33.54; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnG6F-0000KT-Hk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:30:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnG6F-0000KK-3H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:30:35 +0100 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([63.240.77.82]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FnG69-000635-SR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:30:34 +0100 Received: from AIRPORTTERMINAL (c-71-234-114-84.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[71.234.114.84]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2006060514294601200srhi8e>; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:29:46 +0000 Message-ID: <001f01c688ab$aaa89d40$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: References: <005801c688a8$bb06dbf0$6501a8c0@eagles> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 10:23:50 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.118,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Beacon on 137,778.48 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C6888A.2353D9C0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5483 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C6888A.2353D9C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable JA How much TX power? Jay, W1VD ----- Original Message -----=20 From: J. Allen=20 To: LF (RSGB)=20 Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 10:02 AM Subject: LF: Beacon on 137,778.48 Hello All, The VFO is now working and the beacon has been set on ~137,778.48 = QRSS60. Please let me know when/if you see any trace. Captures would be=20 appreciated. JA VY1JA ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C6888A.2353D9C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

How much TX power?

Jay, W1VD

----- Original Message -----

From:=20 J.=20 Allen

To: LF (RSGB)

Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 = 10:02=20 AM

Subject: LF: Beacon on = 137,778.48

Hello All,

The VFO is now working and the beacon = has=20 been set on ~137,778.48 QRSS60.

Please let me know when/if you = see any=20 trace. Captures would be=20 =
appreciated.

JA
VY1JA

------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C6888A.2353D9C0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207405164597642591 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: ee821ec61297d48a324b2af3b8ae1562e111d5b9 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs215116qbh; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:08:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.231.6 with SMTP id d6mr343489nfh; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l21si7497023nfc.2006.06.27.22.08.14; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:08:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FvSGN-0007oQ-Vk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:06:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FvSGN-0007oF-IS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:06:55 +0100 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.177]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FvSGJ-0006Al-M0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 06:06:55 +0100 Received: from [217.251.226.41] (helo=W1KW) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu1) with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0MKwpI-1FvSGG2XPA-0002NA; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:06:48 +0200 Message-ID: <000c01c69a70$a41d34f0$0100a8c0@W1KW> From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" To: References: <004b01c69a27$d5742ac0$0b01a8c0@server> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 07:06:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:a8046abf013a2aee3cd9c470ba16bfdf X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=0.073 Subject: LF: Re: Spark Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5484 Hi, I just remember having read an article in the cqDL, the German ham radio magazine, a few months back. In this article a radio ham reported that he was a passenger in a small plane that had to do an emergency landing somewhere in the middle of the jungle in Brazil, in the 50ties or early 60ties. The radio equipment on board the plain was destroyed but the guy remembered his own experiments with spark transmitters a few years back and so he used some parts of the plane's engine and the wrecked radio to build a very simple spark transmitter, powered by the plane's batteries. With his SOS call he was then able to raise the attention of a couple of stations and they were all rescued. Vy 73 Geri, DK8KW / DI2BO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206079227023815778 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c56948ad4c8aa6b5fc3732d83d50b5c0f319ea8b Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs8057wrc; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.45.13 with SMTP id s13mr230848hus; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 30si1200845hue.2006.06.13.06.53.00; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 06:53:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fq9Ee-0007Rr-4d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:47:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fq9Ed-0007Ri-IL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:47:11 +0100 Received: from smtp2.versatel.nl ([62.58.50.89]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fq9EZ-0007wH-Dz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 14:47:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 9041 invoked by uid 0); 13 Jun 2006 13:45:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ibm) ([62.59.190.34]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp2.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 13 Jun 2006 13:45:55 -0000 Message-ID: <002601c68eee$51f35520$2102000a@ibm> From: "Dick" To: Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:34:09 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.746,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: PA4VHF/p propblems with core/high voltage etc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5571 Thanks sofar all who replied. Some very usefull comments/suggestions received. It seems that there was high voltage present / reflected back to the TX because both the diodes in the LF-SWR meter as well as the diodes in the TX-output (measuring pwr, and swr protection circuit.....) where all gone QRT............. I now replaced them for 1N4937's , fast diodes, higher voltage. Aperently the N30 core seems to be not the best solution as an step-up transformer. Luckely I do have another 3c85 core (50-60mm) lying around. Is it better to use this one instead of the N30 material?? I also saw that both the old 2 FET as well as the new 4FET transmitter are very sensitive for the load on the output. The work fine on a dummyload (only 'R') but when connecting an antenna things become completly different. With antenna they show more output on the meter........ This might be a reason why my new TX kept on going into swr protection, beause of the amount of RF that was reflected back as a result of the much higher output. as you can see, still a lot of interesting stuff for discussions..... 73 Dick, PA4VHF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205041448161647270 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 9f385b41588041b0280b8f33f44a4a06524b504d Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs916wrc; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 19:58:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.215.5 with SMTP id n5mr1460478nfg; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 19:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l27si1905717nfa.2006.06.01.19.57.58; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 19:57:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Flzph-0005Sa-1C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:56:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Flzpg-0005SR-GR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:56:16 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([216.148.227.151]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Flzpc-00040T-Et for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:56:16 +0100 Received: from rmailcenter06.comcast.net ([204.127.197.116]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060602025556m1100gk9nne>; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 02:56:05 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter06.comcast.net; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 02:55:55 +0000 From: k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org (rsgb lf reflector) Cc: lowfer@lwca.org (LWCA LF Reflector) Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 02:55:55 +0000 Message-Id: <060220060255.15250.447FA8BB0002A5A600003B9222007348300B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.711 Subject: LF: Transformer problem; advice sought X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5579 Hello the list, I have been experiencing heating problems with my step-down toroidal transformer that feeds my transmit loop. Fearing core saturaton issues I have been going to ever larger cores and more and more turns in an attempt to reduce the flux density. My latest core is 4 stacked 4" diameter Mix 78 toroids weighing a total of 3 pounds (1.34 Kg) with 28 turns of #10 on the 50 ohm winding and 5 turns of 16 mm2 wire on the loop side. Now for the puzzle: As suggested by J.B., I hooked two transformers back to back ; the present transformer (described above) and the previous model (4 stacked FT-290-77 toroids with 17 turns on the 50 ohm side and 3 turns on the loop side. I connected the two transfomers with the the loop windings from one going into the loop winding of the next. One transformer 50 ohm winding was hooked to a 50 ohm Bird Dummy Load, the other transformer's 50 ohm winding went to an AEA VIA impedance bridge. Much to my surprise I had a high swr and reactance !!! The swr was on the order of 2.7:1 and the reactance was 45-55 ohm and increasing with frequency. Any thoughts on why I should show a reactive component when one transformer went directly to a 50 ohm load? -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205120529148134284 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: ac5428293442487c3f4a4df797de69f70b20e311 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs14538wrc; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 16:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.255.7 with SMTP id c7mr1188135nfi; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p20si2898079nfc.2006.06.02.16.54.55; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 16:54:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FmJQm-0000hg-SS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:51:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FmJQm-0000hX-DG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:51:52 +0100 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FmJQj-0007xD-IZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 00:51:52 +0100 Received: from server (dial-34.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.34]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id A441F1B486; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 19:51:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005701c68698$0833c7c0$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: Cc: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 23:57:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.869,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: [LF] Out Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0054_01C686A0.4566EB60" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5619 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C686A0.4566EB60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Laurence, LFers, Lowfers, I hope your adventures on the other side of the globe are interesting = and I wish you and your family all the best. We will certainly miss you on = the LF band, but hopefully in a few year's time we'll once again see that = old "Oklahoma Staircase" appear on our Argo screens. 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr ------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C686A0.4566EB60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Laurence, LFers, = Lowfers,

I hope your adventures on the other = side of the=20 globe are interesting and I

wish you and your family all the = best. We=20 will certainly miss you on the

LF band, but hopefully in a few year's = time we'll=20 once again see that old

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------=_NextPart_000_0054_01C686A0.4566EB60-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205647455484316632 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 60f183e0d204f2be2aa15975ce3e0deacf90bf2d Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs24422wrc; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:30:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.18.1 with SMTP id 1mr617437hur; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 33si558635hue.2006.06.08.12.30.11; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:30:12 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FoQA4-0000ew-Km for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:27:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FoQA4-0000en-47 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:27:20 +0100 Received: from smtpout06-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.224] helo=smtpout06-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FoQA0-0003o5-Ok for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 20:27:20 +0100 Received: (qmail 27200 invoked from network); 8 Jun 2006 19:26:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (151.46.141.80) by smtpout06-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.227) with ESMTP; 08 Jun 2006 19:26:01 -0000 Message-ID: <448879CE.9090504@usa.net> Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 21:26:06 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001501c68a76$9c02c8c0$0200a8c0@AUG2004><4487EB8A.27171.B415B8@localhost> <7.0.1.0.1.20060608082442.019be388@magma.ca> <003d01c68b06$d84b0e60$0300a8c0@lark> In-Reply-To: <003d01c68b06$d84b0e60$0300a8c0@lark> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.873 Subject: LF: Re: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5662 Alan Melia wrote: > I wonder if Alberto has read this as I think he might have an 850. > I used to own a TS-850 until I sold it... what a mistake.... I am looking at used 850s at the various ham fests... the latest prices I have seen are in the order of 750 Euro. Who knows, may be I will own one again... 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205092541250324788 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: d085cb337416c7ce5aab052cc4d83b9c51b5832f Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs23662wrc; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.12.19 with SMTP id 19mr2045622nfl; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x24si2581579nfb.2006.06.02.09.30.05; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:30:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FmCUT-0007cW-Tn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:27:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FmCUT-0007cN-Id for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:27:13 +0100 Received: from smtp04.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.144]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FmCUP-0004gf-TZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:27:13 +0100 Received: from pa3fnyzus90725 (cd4400af3.cable.wanadoo.nl [212.64.10.243]) by smtp4.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 8795016AE5 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:27:08 +0200 (CEST) From: "Victor van kooten" To: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:26:58 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <000501c6865f$8bb15e70$4d704254@youry0mkaz8jaq> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.343,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=0.365 Subject: LF: RE: PA3CPM & PA3FNY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5667 Hello Martin, the frequency of PA3CPM is 136317,7 Hz +/- 0,5 HZ,my own frequency is 136319,1 Hz +/- 0,1 Hz.Hopefully this will help you, 73, Victor PA3FNY -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Martin Evans Verzonden: vrijdag 2 juni 2006 18:14 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: PA3CPM & PA3FNY CPM is again O with dogbones. FNY is a solid O. Could anyone give me exact frequencies of these two stations so that I can set my receiver calibration correctly, please? I currently make them 137.71943 and 137.71803. Martin GW3UCJ 20km North of Swansea, South Wales IO1CR From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206998527368179909 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 3bdfea885026432927412fe53ffb58dd9e82ae63 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs3279wrc; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.85.9 with SMTP id n9mr2909418nfl; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p45si3423483nfa.2006.06.23.16.19.26; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 16:19:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FtutV-0005uD-PU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:16:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FtutV-0005u4-1s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:16:57 +0100 Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FtutP-0005DW-KW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 00:16:56 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id l.54e.19e7c (65099) for ; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:16:42 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <54e.19e7c.31cdd05a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 19:16:42 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.101,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Top-fed LF antenna idea Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1151104602" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5677 -------------------------------1151104602 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 23/06/2006 17:22:09 GMT Standard Time, j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk writes: Dear Peter, LF Group, As I recall, G0MRF's first trans-atlantic transmission was done from the top of a tower block with a down-sloping wire as "top loading" - Perhaps David would care to fill in the details... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU Hello Jim / Peter. I thought of the transatlantic contact when I read your post. However the comparison to the EH antenna is a difficult one to make. In my case I was trying to construct a center loaded dipole using 250 foot elements, or about 12 degrees at 136k, with the feed point perhaps 180 feet above ground. In the event, the dipole proved very difficult to resonate and I eventually settled for paralleling the two 250 ft wires and feeding them against the several kilometres of copper water pipe running through the building. That worked very nicely with good QRSS3 signals visible in VO1 with RF down to 300W at the TX site. Sadly that building was demolished 2 years ago, so no opportunity for another visit. _http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/atlantic.htm_ (http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/atlantic.htm) Unfortunately I never did manage to get my dipole working. However, 6 years later my homebrew N2PK vector network analyser is nearing completion and later this summer I hope to 'borrow' some land on very poor earth and finally put up a full size dipole and make some serious measurements. (The poor earth is a key factor in the master plan! ) Will it work? - who knows! Certainly the scale model on 21MHz positioned 50mm above my lawn made it to a rather incredulous amateur in Romania. Regards David G0MRF -------------------------------1151104602 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 23/06/2006 17:22:09 GMT Standard Time,=20 j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk writes:

Dear=20 Peter, LF Group,

As I recall, G0MRF's first trans-atlantic transmis= sion=20 was done from the top
of a tower block with a down-sloping wire as "top= =20 loading" - Perhaps David
would care to fill in the=20 details...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de=20 M0BMU

Hello Jim / Peter.

I thought of the transatlantic contact when I read your post. However t= he=20 comparison to the EH antenna is a difficult one to make. In my case I was tr= ying=20 to construct a center loaded dipole using 250 foot elements, or about 1= 2=20 degrees at 136k, with the feed point perhaps 180 feet above=20 ground. In the event, the dipole proved very difficult to resonate and= I=20 eventually settled for paralleling the two 250 ft wires and feeding the= m=20 against the several kilometres of copper water pipe running through the=20 building. That worked very nicely with good QRSS3 signals visible in V= O1=20 with RF down to 300W at the TX site.

Sadly that building was demolished 2 years ago, so no opportunity for=20 another visit.

http://www.g0mrf.free= serve.co.uk/atlantic.htm

Unfortunately I never did manage to get my dipole working. Howeve= r, 6=20 years later my homebrew N2PK vector network analyser is nearing completion a= nd=20 later this summer I hope to 'borrow' some land on very poor earth and finall= y=20 put up a full size dipole and make some serious measurements. (The poor eart= h is=20 a key factor in the master plan! ) Will it work? - who knows! Certainly the=20 scale model on 21MHz positioned 50mm above my lawn made it to a rather=20 incredulous amateur in Romania.

Regards

David G0MRF

-------------------------------1151104602-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206998527368179909 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 77e5f67327f7ee54517311d82343e655d606eeb6 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs2270wrc; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.255.5 with SMTP id c5mr1365886nfi; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a24si1616611nfc.2006.06.23.14.33.46; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 14:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FttCu-0005fB-Vd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:28:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FttCu-0005f2-F7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:28:52 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FttCr-0003Bp-4o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:28:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 14360 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2006 21:27:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?213.122.94.22?) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.94.22 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Jun 2006 21:27:42 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.9.3/374]); Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:25:15 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c6970b$84f1a060$165e7ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: References: <001a01c696e9$3ffa6a40$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 22:25:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.907,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376 Subject: LF: RE: Top-fed LF antenna idea Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5678 Dear LF Group, There is some info on the "top-fed" antenna used by G0MRF at: http://www.g0mrf.freeserve.co.uk/atlantic.htm Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206998527368179909 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 06a5945a371d93041a8a5eda3e28cf6616aecd8f Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs61381wrc; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.221.6 with SMTP id t6mr2634171nfg; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m16si3175474nfc.2006.06.23.10.24.54; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 10:24:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FtpL6-000558-N2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:21:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FtpL6-00054z-02 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:21:04 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FtpL1-0001Ov-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:21:03 +0100 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1FtpK3-000759-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:19:59 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1FtpK1-0001XF-6e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:19:57 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: Date: Fri, 23 Jun 2006 18:19:57 +0100 Message-ID: <001a01c696e9$3ffa6a40$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002001c696e3$74317a20$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-Information: X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.875 Subject: LF: RE: Top-fed LF antenna idea Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5679 Dear Peter, LF Group, As I recall, G0MRF's first trans-atlantic transmission was done from the = top of a tower block with a down-sloping wire as "top loading" - Perhaps = David would care to fill in the details... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Peter Martinez Sent: 23 June 2006 17:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Top-fed LF antenna idea >>From G3PLX: Some of you may have seen my letter in the current RadCom, which = suggests=20 that reports of unusually good performance of the electrically-small = 'EH'=20 antennas may be the result of them being mounted on top of a tall = structure, and are effectively top-feeding the whole thing. It occurs to me that this might be a useful experiment to try on 136kHz = if=20 someone is able to operate 'portable' from the top of a suitable = structure,=20 like a telecom tower or the Eifel or Blackpool towers. What would be = needed=20 would be some sort of capacity-hat, such as a fishing rod (or two) = sticking=20 out into clear space from the top of the tower. It need not be vertical, = so=20 long as most of it was clear of the structure. This would then be = resonated=20 at the operating frequency and the whole thing fed against some metallic = part of the structure. Assuming the tower is one with public access, = there=20 should be AC power up there from which to run the equipment, and the = safety=20 ground wire of this should be sufficient, or there may be an acessible=20 lightning conductor. The capacity hat would inevitably be quite small and therefore the = inductor=20 losses will be high, but against that there will be an enormous benefit=20 because a lot of the 'resistance' in the ground connection will be good=20 quality radiation resistance. We should be able to calculate what this = is=20 from the height of the structure, and remember that we can assume that = the=20 current up the tower will be fairly constant and not dropping linearly = to=20 zero at the top like a base-fed tower would be, so the effective height = is=20 the actual height, not half of it. The e.m.r.p. can then be calculated = from=20 the product of this radiation resistance and the square of the current=20 flowing into the capacity hat. I am sure the principle is sound. Is it worth a try? 73 Peter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205093431577158780 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: d417f748e72cdc09099b17e65ae90d1141d8dfb2 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs24174wrc; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.33.9 with SMTP id l9mr2075290nfj; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c10si2595932nfb.2006.06.02.09.44.14; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:44:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FmCiv-0007pR-TS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:42:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FmCiv-0007pI-HG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:42:09 +0100 Received: from smtp06.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.146]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FmCir-0004rA-RH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:42:09 +0100 Received: from pa3fnyzus90725 (cd4400af3.cable.wanadoo.nl [212.64.10.243]) by smtp6.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 3509B78CED for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:42:05 +0200 (CEST) From: "Victor van kooten" To: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 18:41:54 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001501c68661$ba91e0f0$4d704254@youry0mkaz8jaq> X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.117,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374 Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: PA3CPM & PA3FNY Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5680 Thanks Martin, I am using only 100 Watts with a very poor antenna,hope to be qrv with a better antenna and 400 Watts in a few weeks time. 73 Victor -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Martin Evans Verzonden: vrijdag 2 juni 2006 18:30 Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Onderwerp: LF: Re: RE: PA3CPM & PA3FNY Thank you Victor. That is very helpful You have a very good signal into South West Wales. 73 Martin GW3UCJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Victor van kooten" To: Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 5:26 PM Subject: LF: RE: PA3CPM & PA3FNY > Hello Martin, > > the frequency of PA3CPM is 136317,7 Hz +/- 0,5 HZ,my own frequency is > 136319,1 Hz +/- 0,1 Hz.Hopefully this will help you, > > 73, > > Victor > PA3FNY > > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Namens Martin Evans > Verzonden: vrijdag 2 juni 2006 18:14 > Aan: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Onderwerp: LF: PA3CPM & PA3FNY > > CPM is again O with dogbones. > > FNY is a solid O. > > Could anyone give me exact frequencies of these two stations so that I can > set my receiver calibration correctly, please? > > I currently make them 137.71943 and 137.71803. > > Martin GW3UCJ > > 20km North of Swansea, South Wales > > IO1CR > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.0/353 - Release Date: 31/05/2006 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205783797869672574 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: ad97bd7bccbfba8fe881d5683865139775c8778a Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs36409wrc; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:37:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.241.20 with SMTP id o20mr3049641nfh; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id n23si2678829nfc.2006.06.10.00.37.18; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Foxzq-0006jp-3c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 08:35:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Foxzp-0006jg-Ko for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 08:35:01 +0100 Received: from smtp.talktalk.net ([62.24.128.121]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Foxzl-0004cr-GA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 08:35:01 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO traceydlqceh0p) (84.13.27.52) by smtp.talktalk.net with ESMTP; 10 Jun 2006 08:34:49 +0100 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.394 [268.8.3/359]); Sat, 10 Jun 2006 08:34:58 +0100 Message-ID: <004901c68c60$605af2c0$341b0d54@traceydlqceh0p> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: References: <4489BCC5.30307.136B3AF@localhost> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 08:34:58 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.866 Subject: LF: Tuning Rates Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5733 Hi MIke For comparison , the SPM30 level meter manages 10Hz per rev, tuning in 1Hz steps and the HP3586C level meter can do 5Hz per rev, tuning in 0.1Hz steps. 73s Tracey > Yes, quite right. I managed to find the 1Hz steps but you need a > steady hand as the TS-850 dial on 'Fine' is 1kHz/rev (ie 1Hz steps > are about 0.3 degrees of turn!). For info, the IC-706 has 200Hz/rev > as one of its standard settings. > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.3/359 - Release Date: 08/06/2006 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205061916592940624 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 96fea86c0753981aa7ed24c11b00d5fb9ad67f67 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs8350wrc; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 01:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.14.16 with SMTP id 16mr518477nfn; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 01:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x1si2166792nfb.2006.06.02.01.23.18; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 01:23:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fm4tF-0006Fk-OP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:20:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fm4tF-0006Fb-DC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:20:17 +0100 Received: from newbox.tcp.net.uk ([195.80.0.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fm4tC-00008s-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 09:20:17 +0100 Received: from standalone ([212.248.140.20]) by newbox.tcp.net.uk (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id k528F6Kw025449 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:15:07 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <001b01c6861b$ad39c080$148cf8d4@standalone> From: "Andy" To: Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 09:08:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-TCP-MailScanner-Information: Please visit www.tcp.co.uk for more information X-TCP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TCP-MailScanner-SpamCheck: spam, SpamAssassin (score=4.303, required 4, autolearn=disabled, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL 1.66, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL 0.14, RCVD_IN_XBL 2.51) X-TCP-MailScanner-SpamScore: ssss X-TCP-MailScanner-From: actalbot@southsurf.com X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.454 Subject: {Spam?} Re: LF: Experimental MF Beacon test Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5781 For a low power signal into a small antenna I've had several good reports on this 1.96MHz beacon. From D, ON, HB and all around the UK. Never realy looked at topband before (or perhaps it should be renamed penultimate band now, with 137kHz). The beacon will be running all weekend while I'm in, on 1960.000kHz. Sequence is - CW, Power steps followed by PSK31 from the 30 second point. Transmissions start at the 15 minute +1 boundary, ie four times an hour at 01, 16, 31 and 46 minutes past Andy G4JNT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205704695719671450 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 07b506324ec574e27d3701e4d13459df07705750 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs40284wrc; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.92.15 with SMTP id u15mr3101042nfl; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k23si4222136nfc.2006.06.10.03.00.06; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 03:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fp0DZ-0007CR-3F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:57:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fp0DY-0007CI-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:57:20 +0100 Received: from newbox.tcp.net.uk ([195.80.0.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fp0DU-00076r-VK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:57:20 +0100 Received: from tosh ([212.248.140.52]) by newbox.tcp.net.uk (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id k5A9uxS1003887 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 10:57:04 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <001401c68c6b$874d0980$348cf8d4@tosh.g4jnt> From: "Andy Talbot" To: Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:54:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-TCP-MailScanner-Information: Please visit www.tcp.co.uk for more information X-TCP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TCP-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-TCP-MailScanner-From: actalbot@southsurf.com X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.277 Subject: Re: LF: Odd Frequency Crystal Oscillator moule - completely off topic- sri Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5783 Ahh.. Great thanks, I can go back and explain to a couple of worried persons that it wasn't a mass produced item. Its a high frequency for a standard crystal. All teh units I've seen and enquired about only go to around 120MHz. It could contain an internal doubler I suppose. Andy G4JNT -----Original Message----- From: John Andrews To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: 2006 06 09 12:15 Subject: Re: LF: Odd Frequency Crystal Oscillator moule - completely off topic- sri >Andy, > > > >That's one of Fox's "Just In Time" series of custom frequency modules. You supply the frequency, they make it. The single-lot prices are high, but the modules are quite affordable in quantities of 25 or more. Mouser would have been the likely dealer. > >So, 225.06 was not a stock frequency, but merely the choice of an equipment manufacturer. > >John Andrews, W1TAG > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205704695719671450 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 130d019900a1c1a71db066c07291a6a90e06eef1 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs19248wrc; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 14:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.7.1 with SMTP id k1mr2622727nfi; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l21si1806304nfc.2006.06.09.14.12.07; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:12:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FooEY-0005CU-Kk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 22:09:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FooEX-0005CL-Sr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 22:09:33 +0100 Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.46]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FooET-0002r9-RX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 22:09:33 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([141.156.216.42]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J0M009M52RAIGLA@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 16:09:18 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 17:09:08 -0400 From: Andre Kesteloot In-reply-to: <330.5e3d5ff.31bb25b5@aol.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <4489E374.5040800@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <330.5e3d5ff.31bb25b5@aol.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060414 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-2.353,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.045,MIME_HTML_ONLY=1.158 Subject: Re: LF: Odd Frequency Crystal Oscillator moule - completely off topic - sri Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY,MIME_HTML_ONLY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5784 G0MRF@aol.com wrote:

In a message dated 09/06/2006 13:46:01 GMT Standard Time, andre.kesteloot@verizon.net writes:

Andy,

Since this can be of use to radio amateurs too, let me reply here:
Digikey does not carry Fox, but Mouser does.
Fox makes some xtals that can be programmed by the distributor.
JITO is the acronym for "Just in Time Oscillators".
The Jito ranges are : 0.344 to 125 MHz and 125 to 250 MHz
See page 689 of their latest catalog
or go to:
http://foxonline.com/pdfs/JITO-2_brochure.pdf.
Prices for qty 1: $14.79
Delivery 10 days or less.

That sounds like a good service. Thanks Andre.

Small warning though. Many of the oscillators may turn out to be VCOs with an integral PLL.

According to my supplier here (not Fox etc) they are 95% useful.....with the exception of communications applications where the phase noise outside the loop filter bandwidth is excessive compared to a genuine crystal oscillator.

David,
yes indeed, some measurements we made a few years ago did indicate that the phase noise can be fairly high.
It all depends, of course on whatever application you are contemplating.
73
André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205704695719671450 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a5748914bf59ba8805987ffa5981563d5310e79b Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs14315wrc; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 12:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.59.2 with SMTP id m2mr2666257nfk; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x1si3572644nfb.2006.06.09.12.31.05; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:31:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FomeH-0004hP-VL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:28:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FomeH-0004hG-JH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:28:01 +0100 Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.6]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FomeD-00015p-KX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 20:28:01 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id l.330.5e3d5ff (41809) for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:27:49 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <330.5e3d5ff.31bb25b5@aol.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 15:27:49 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.142,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Odd Frequency Crystal Oscillator moule - completely off topic - sri Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1149881269" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5785 -------------------------------1149881269 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In a message dated 09/06/2006 13:46:01 GMT Standard Time, andre.kesteloot@verizon.net writes: Andy, Since this can be of use to radio amateurs too, let me reply here: Digikey does not carry Fox, but Mouser does. Fox makes some xtals that can be programmed by the distributor. JITO is the acronym for "Just in Time Oscillators". The Jito ranges are : 0.344 to 125 MHz and 125 to 250 MHz See page 689 of their latest catalog or go to: http://foxonline.com/pdfs/JITO-2_brochure.pdf. Prices for qty 1: $14.79 Delivery 10 days or less. That sounds like a good service. Thanks Andre. Small warning though. Many of the oscillators may turn out to be VCOs with an integral PLL. According to my supplier here (not Fox etc) they are 95% useful.....with the exception of communications applications where the phase noise outside the loop filter bandwidth is excessive compared to a genuine crystal oscillator. 73 David -------------------------------1149881269 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In a message dated 09/06/2006 13:46:01 GMT Standard Time,=20 andre.kesteloot@verizon.net writes:

Andy,

Since this can be of use to radio amateurs too, let=20= me=20 reply here:
Digikey does not carry Fox, but Mouser does.
Fox makes s= ome=20 xtals that can be programmed by the distributor.
JITO is the acronym fo= r=20 "Just in Time Oscillators".
The Jito ranges are : 0.344 to 125 MHz and=20= 125=20 to 250 MHz
See page 689 of their latest catalog
or go to: =20
=20 http://foxonline.com/pdfs/JITO-2_brochure.pdf.
Prices for qty 1:=20 $14.79
Delivery 10 days or less.

That sounds like a good service. Thanks Andre.

Small warning though. Many of the oscillators may turn out to be VCOs w= ith=20 an integral PLL.

According to my supplier here (not Fox etc) they are 95% useful.....wit= h=20 the exception of communications applications where the phase noise outside t= he=20 loop filter bandwidth is excessive compared to a genuine crystal=20 oscillator.

David

-------------------------------1149881269-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205704695719671450 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 6b9ea2f60cc45a76cb61ba2149f9c7ac029325bc Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs23779wrc; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 06:50:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.33.17 with SMTP id g17mr876947hug; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 06:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 16si758011hui.2006.06.09.06.50.12; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 06:50:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FohIS-0003Sl-9I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:45:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FohIR-0003Sc-Es for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:45:07 +0100 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.42]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FohIO-0005J0-Ht for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 14:45:07 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([151.200.244.54]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0J0L00CZ1I6TWW15@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 08:44:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:44:52 -0400 From: Andre Kesteloot In-reply-to: <000301c68bac$514bb670$0f8cf8d4@standalone> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: ukmicrowaves@yahoogroups.com Message-id: <44897B54.1000209@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <000301c68bac$514bb670$0f8cf8d4@standalone> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.13) Gecko/20060414 X-Spam-Score: 1.8 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376 Subject: Re: LF: Odd Frequency Crystal Oscillator moule - completely off topic - sri Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5786 Andy wrote: > 'pologies for non-related post, but hopfully someone here may know.= .. > >Please, can anyone shed any light on why a TTL type crystal oscillat= or >module should, at one time, have been available from Digikey (or pos= sibly it >may have been Mouser) in the US? The module is now discontinued, b= ut was >supposed to have been in their catagloge at some time over the last = few >years. A circuit diagram lists the part number " Fox JITO-2-PC5BM= -225.06 >" > >It is a weird frequency to be of widespread use. The reference cro= pped up >in the course of a non-amateur related investigation. (Hint - look = at the >7th harmonic) > >If you've got any firm positive info, please contact me off-reflecto= r either >on this account or actalbot@dstl.gov.uk > > >Andy G4JNT > > > > > > =20 > Andy, Since this can be of use to radio amateurs too, let me reply here: Digikey does not carry Fox, but Mouser does. Fox makes some xtals that can be programmed by the distributor. JITO is the acronym for "Just in Time Oscillators". The Jito ranges are : 0.344 to 125 MHz and 125 to 250 MHz See page 689 of their latest catalog or go to: =20 http://foxonline.com/pdfs/JITO-2_brochure.pdf. Prices for qty 1: $14.79 Delivery 10 days or less. Hop this helps 73 Andr=E9 N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205704695719671450 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 3c409e0b386783d5b5ab5b362469716e6b73e967 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs17797wrc; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 04:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.57.11 with SMTP id f11mr830779hua; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 04:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 4si702547hud.2006.06.09.04.07.32; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 04:07:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Foel4-0002oO-9r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:02:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Foel3-0002oF-LE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:02:29 +0100 Received: from mxsf37.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.162]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Foekx-0003o2-R7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 12:02:29 +0100 Received: from mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.146]) by mxsf37.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k59B2GoI032264 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 07:02:16 -0400 Received: from 24-177-53-244.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([24.177.53.244]) by mxip16a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 09 Jun 2006 07:02:17 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,223,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="413574166:sNHT16971088" Message-ID: <44894789.5050701@w1tag.com> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:03:53 +0100 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000301c68bac$514bb670$0f8cf8d4@standalone> In-Reply-To: <000301c68bac$514bb670$0f8cf8d4@standalone> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.724 Subject: Re: LF: Odd Frequency Crystal Oscillator moule - completely off topic - sri Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5787 Andy, That's one of Fox's "Just In Time" series of custom frequency modules. You supply the frequency, they make it. The single-lot prices are high, but the modules are quite affordable in quantities of 25 or more. Mouser would have been the likely dealer. So, 225.06 was not a stock frequency, but merely the choice of an equipment manufacturer. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205704695719671450 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: b8842d28769299b10152ef9221bfb47012e63146 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs17051wrc; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 03:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.40.10 with SMTP id n10mr825419hun; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 03:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 11si227869hug.2006.06.09.03.40.00; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 03:40:01 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FoeKj-0002e4-Vf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:35:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FoeKj-0002dv-KM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:35:17 +0100 Received: from newbox.tcp.net.uk ([195.80.0.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FoeKg-0003cZ-N3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 11:35:17 +0100 Received: from standalone ([212.248.140.15]) by newbox.tcp.net.uk (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id k59A8R71016583; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:08:28 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <000301c68bac$514bb670$0f8cf8d4@standalone> From: "Andy" To: , Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:06:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-TCP-MailScanner-Information: Please visit www.tcp.co.uk for more information X-TCP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TCP-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-TCP-MailScanner-From: actalbot@southsurf.com X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.300 Subject: LF: Odd Frequency Crystal Oscillator moule - completely off topic - sri Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5788 'pologies for non-related post, but hopfully someone here may know... Please, can anyone shed any light on why a TTL type crystal oscillator module should, at one time, have been available from Digikey (or possibly it may have been Mouser) in the US? The module is now discontinued, but was supposed to have been in their catagloge at some time over the last few years. A circuit diagram lists the part number " Fox JITO-2-PC5BM-225.06 " It is a weird frequency to be of widespread use. The reference cropped up in the course of a non-amateur related investigation. (Hint - look at the 7th harmonic) If you've got any firm positive info, please contact me off-reflector either on this account or actalbot@dstl.gov.uk Andy G4JNT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205283948532819610 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: f8be9a54f138c5b82ccf85f1a4daaa8b7afb882b Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs3600wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:32:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.20.13 with SMTP id 13mr887915hut; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 36si1036979huc.2006.06.05.07.32.10; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:32:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnG3m-0000H4-1C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:28:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnG3l-0000Gv-CK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:28:01 +0100 Received: from smtp16.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.7]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnG3h-0005xN-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:28:01 +0100 Received: from ACER (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by smtp16.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with SMTP id <0J0E003KK5IEYS@smtp16.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:27:52 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:27:49 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <001501c688ac$3907e910$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.387,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.492,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: lf Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_RsgpCQ9lTN2W3t9ABCMMpQ)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5820 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_RsgpCQ9lTN2W3t9ABCMMpQ) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT hello all, this evening we will transmit qrss90. freq,136318hz freq.136319hz captures would be appreciated,and please let us know if you see any trace. 73 victor pa3fny henny pa3cpm --Boundary_(ID_RsgpCQ9lTN2W3t9ABCMMpQ) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

hello all,

this evening we will transmit qrss90.

freq,136318hz

freq.136319hz

captures would be appreciated,and please let us know if you see any trace.

victor pa3fny

henny pa3cpm

--Boundary_(ID_RsgpCQ9lTN2W3t9ABCMMpQ)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205283948532819610 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: e668e9919dba0a22e4c88b3fa274266259105d3c Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs17655wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 01:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.208.18 with SMTP id f18mr4132318nfg; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x1si24337nfb.2006.06.05.01.09.25; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 01:09:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnA2u-0007Sx-OF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:02:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnA2u-0007So-Dd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:02:44 +0100 Received: from smtp15.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.6]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnA2r-0002fI-IJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:02:44 +0100 Received: from ACER (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by smtp15.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with SMTP id <0J0D00FATNI2RJ@smtp15.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:58:51 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:58:49 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <000601c68875$e1761040$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <001801c6880a$78ddcc50$aa7ba8c0@ACER> <4483D6D7.30609@online.fr> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.515,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.492 Subject: Re: LF: lf Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5821 tu jean-pierre 73 henny pa3cpm. ----- Original Message -----=20 =46rom: "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9" To: Sent: Monday, June 05, 2006 9:01 AM Subject: Re: LF: lf Hello Henny , This night I recorded your signals between 01:00 and 07:300, they were very good in spite of a stormy in middle of the night. The captures are visible on : http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/ 73 qro Jean-Pierre F1AFJ in JN06ht henny van elst a =E9crit : > this evening i will transmit qrss90. > 136318hz > pa3cpm jo22mb. > 73 --=20 Visitez mon site radioamateur =E0 : http://jpmere.online.fr/ Analys=E9 avec Norton Antivirus garanti sans virus connu From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205283948532819610 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c79420bfe3fa01664cc98011bf51608a9f571e52 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs16452wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 00:05:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.210.19 with SMTP id i19mr2916119nfg; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 00:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l38si5104211nfc.2006.06.05.00.04.57; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 00:04:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fn967-0007JU-R6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:01:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fn964-0007JL-6P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:01:56 +0100 Received: from smtp1-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.27]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fn95z-0002CR-B1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:01:56 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp1-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8BF9A9A5 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 09:01:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4483D6D7.30609@online.fr> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 09:01:43 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001801c6880a$78ddcc50$aa7ba8c0@ACER> In-Reply-To: <001801c6880a$78ddcc50$aa7ba8c0@ACER> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.509 Subject: Re: LF: lf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5822 Hello Henny , This night I recorded your signals between 01:00 and 07:300, they were very good in spite of a stormy in middle of the night. The captures are visible on : http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/ 73 qro Jean-Pierre F1AFJ in JN06ht henny van elst a =E9crit : > this evening i will transmit qrss90. > 136318hz > pa3cpm jo22mb. > =20 > 73 --=20 Visitez mon site radioamateur =E0 : http://jpmere.online.fr/ Analys=E9 avec Norton Antivirus garanti sans virus connu From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205283948532819610 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 2c24e297711ea83c0db2b81886f0442098af6bb8 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs1316wrc; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.91.12 with SMTP id t12mr2563382nfl; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k24si4598023nfc.2006.06.04.12.12.25; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:12:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FmxzG-00065n-QC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:10:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FmxzG-00065e-G0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:10:10 +0100 Received: from smtp16.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.7]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FmxzD-0004zw-TJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:10:10 +0100 Received: from ACER (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by smtp16.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with SMTP id <0J0C00F7TNWMYR@smtp16.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:09:59 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 21:09:58 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <001801c6880a$78ddcc50$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.773,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.492,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: lf Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_8LBOrDFpGzclF0lmqZTw+Q)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_70_80,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5823 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_8LBOrDFpGzclF0lmqZTw+Q) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT this evening i will transmit qrss90. 136318hz pa3cpm jo22mb. 73 --Boundary_(ID_8LBOrDFpGzclF0lmqZTw+Q) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

this evening i will transmit qrss90.

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--Boundary_(ID_8LBOrDFpGzclF0lmqZTw+Q)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207171967761121062 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: bb92a994ae75c7bab3b0d0e031d3bc0fcbda0b69 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs117857qbh; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.78.10 with SMTP id f10mr4274803nfl; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y24si5347272nfb.2006.06.25.13.19.32; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fub3M-0003WG-UE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 21:17:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fub3L-0003W7-QC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 21:17:55 +0100 Received: from m11.lax.untd.com ([64.136.30.74]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fub3G-0006fg-Lu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 21:17:55 +0100 Received: from m11.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m11.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABCK755FAYU542A for (sender ); Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:17:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m11.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id LTQ4GU2Z; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:17:15 PDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:59:16 -0400 Message-ID: <20060625.161635.2152.0.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-6,8-33,36-46 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com X-ContentStamp: 16:8:3350638005 X-MAIL-INFO:04c89809250d450055007de92d61412d8d8dbd011d2d952df9d885a57ccc2529391d852c0571edb9bc35f5dde985a9f5a8b9a89895d9a9110d2838dc4db8f9ad715938dd95b561d888e869091599c9e8b559c5251589e86ca5ec78a1 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewO3Yc+308+g77V7i4jKJwvBHLYIUiwEtkA== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m11.lax.untd.com|riese-k3djc@juno.com X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.010,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Gardener required... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5837 Revenge of the killer tomato again bob K3DJC On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:41:56 +0100 "captbrian" writes: > Beware strong LF RF fields can cause plant mutation, remember > Jack-and-the > Beanstalk.... > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "James Moritz" > To: > Sent: 25 June 2006 11:01 > Subject: LF: Gardener required... > > > Dear LF Group, > > I suspected I was getting behind with the weeding (see attachment) - > that > explains the erratic antenna current! > > BTW - strong QRSS "Test" signal from G3XIZ on 137.686 this morning > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- > ---- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: > 21/06/06 > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207171967761121062 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: e34df795b565a4bfa91fab3c416bd96429bdff75 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs113853qbh; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.3.3 with SMTP id f3mr4189799nfi; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l22si4880990nfc.2006.06.25.09.46.05; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 09:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FuXgr-0002s5-70 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:42:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FuXgq-0002rw-SQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:42:28 +0100 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FuXgm-0007c5-Vj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:42:28 +0100 Received: from tnt-15-116.easynet.co.uk ([212.134.26.116] helo=captbrian) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1FuXgk-000IIC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:42:22 +0100 Message-ID: <007701c69876$4704d620$741a86d4@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <001201c6983e$43f100e0$fc0b7ad5@w4o8m9> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:41:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: Gardener required... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5838 Beware strong LF RF fields can cause plant mutation, remember Jack-and-the Beanstalk.... ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: 25 June 2006 11:01 Subject: LF: Gardener required... Dear LF Group, I suspected I was getting behind with the weeding (see attachment) - that explains the erratic antenna current! BTW - strong QRSS "Test" signal from G3XIZ on 137.686 this morning Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.2/372 - Release Date: 21/06/06 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207171967761121062 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: d999a98becf9b943086ba8e9afdbdab75bb233ea Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs112947qbh; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.51.10 with SMTP id d10mr4154689nfk; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id z73si5115331nfb.2006.06.25.08.39.35; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FuWg7-0002bc-8N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:37:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FuWg6-0002bT-SG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:37:38 +0100 Received: from smtp17.orange.fr ([193.252.23.111]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FuWg2-0004uV-OG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:37:38 +0100 Received: from Mix-Amiens-107-4-185.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (Mix-Amiens-107-4-185.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.70.185]) by mwinf1708.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 43C1A7000420 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:37:28 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060625153728277.43C1A7000420@mwinf1708.orange.fr Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 17:36:39 +0200 (CEST) From: Jean-Pierre Godet X-X-Sender: godetj@comcon2.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <001201c6983e$43f100e0$fc0b7ad5@w4o8m9> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.6 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.640 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Gardener required... Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5839 On Sun, 25 Jun 2006, MIKE REID wrote: > We have those same damn weeds in Minnesota. What are they called? ... > ... hello, Mike, Jim and all ! Bindweed, or convolvulus. I had exactly the same problem and the same effect with the half-wave 160 m end fed a week ago. Nevertheless, the photo is beautiful, Jim, even poetic. Thank you ! 73 ! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207171967761121062 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: fee0e8ce2ceb4e3f0b4aa4e435393999bb9707ad Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs112716qbh; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.232.15 with SMTP id e15mr4129988nfh; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id o9si5095085nfa.2006.06.25.08.21.38; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FuWMa-0002Pr-Gc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:17:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FuWMZ-0002Pi-Oy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:17:27 +0100 Received: from bay118-dav16.bay118.hotmail.com ([207.46.8.154] helo=hotmail.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FuWMV-0006vh-Dn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 16:17:27 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:16:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 207.224.66.98 by BAY118-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:16:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.224.66.98] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: References: <001201c6983e$43f100e0$fc0b7ad5@w4o8m9> Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:16:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0026.0800 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 10:16:50 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Jun 2006 15:16:55.0649 (UTC) FILETIME=[65155510:01C6986A] X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.975,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS=0.298,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: LF: Re: Gardener required... Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C69840.79192DE0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS,HTML_50_60, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5840 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C69840.79192DE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We have those same damn weeds in Minnesota. What are they called? They = can even kill off a young tree when they wrap around tight. Mike WE0H ----- Original Message -----=20 From: James Moritz To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 5:01 AM Subject: LF: Gardener required... Dear LF Group, I suspected I was getting behind with the weeding (see attachment) - = that explains the erratic antenna current! BTW - strong QRSS "Test" signal from G3XIZ on 137.686 this morning Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C69840.79192DE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

We have those same damn weeds in Minnesota. What are they called? = They can=20 even kill off a young tree when they wrap around tight.

Mike

WE0H

----- Original Message -----

From: James Moritz

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20

Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2006 = 5:01 AM

Subject: LF: Gardener = required...

Dear LF Group,

I suspected I was getting behind = with the=20 weeding (see attachment) - that explains the erratic antenna=20 current!

BTW - strong QRSS "Test" signal from = G3XIZ on=20 137.686 this morning

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de=20 M0BMU

------=_NextPart_000_00D2_01C69840.79192DE0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205830437078835129 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 1612a89b3da4dcc503044f48d4970459426db632 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs33973wrc; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.39.7 with SMTP id r7mr3923085nfj; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x27si5384723nfb.2006.06.11.05.46.46; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:46:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FpPHh-0002t0-G7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 13:43:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FpPHg-0002sr-Ri for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 13:43:16 +0100 Received: from mxsf21.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FpPHd-0004d2-2C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 13:43:16 +0100 Received: from mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.132]) by mxsf21.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5BCh62a030897 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:43:06 -0400 Received: from 24-177-53-244.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([24.177.53.244]) by mxip02a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 11 Jun 2006 08:43:06 -0400 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.05,226,1146456000"; d="scan'208"; a="253193901:sNHT17746412" Message-ID: <448C022D.6040109@w1tag.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:44:45 +0100 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <448B1613.6050608@w1tag.com> <209736186.20060611105756@mTerrier.net> In-Reply-To: <209736186.20060611105756@mTerrier.net> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.658 Subject: Re: LF: XES WOLF Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5875 Michel, Wonderful! I did not expect any EU reports. The signal peaked nicely in that run beginning at 0224 UTC. The 0317 UTC run has a peak 6 minutes later, followed by a complete fade-out. Nice job. Thanks! I am planning to run it again tonight. 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SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5877 WD2XES is running WOLF (10) on 137.577 kHz. Reports are welcome. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207186984797436136 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 4b551984a230783ebdfc2222516e9faf273756a0 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs116951qbh; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.85.9 with SMTP id n9mr4260551nfl; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r34si5300100nfc.2006.06.25.12.20.22; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fua4P-0003EC-97 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:14:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fua4O-0003E3-NW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:14:56 +0100 Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fua4L-00005J-1C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:14:56 +0100 Received: from 88-106-176-235.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.176.235]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 25 Jun 2006 20:14:42 +0100 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AR4FAEl9nkSKDyw Received: from 88-106-176-235.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.176.235]:1049 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1Fua49-0005J0-T8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 19:14:42 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 20:14:44 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 In-Reply-To: <007701c69876$4704d620$741a86d4@captbrian> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.405,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: RE: Re: Gardener required... Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5913 >Beware strong LF RF fields can cause plant mutation, remember Jack-and-the Beanstalk....< Perhaps you can calculate the 50R feedpoint. 73, Gary - G4WGT. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205697926190219922 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 422ce1a2292b5340723197d963247be02a754012 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs13859wrc; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 01:52:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.131.6 with SMTP id e6mr238495hud; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 01:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 27si689291hua.2006.06.09.01.52.24; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 01:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FoccH-0002Cc-Br for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:45:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FoccG-0002CT-Oo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:45:16 +0100 Received: from mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47] helo=mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FoccB-0002e3-Tu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:45:16 +0100 Received: from aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060609084117.FUWJ29343.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:41:17 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([82.10.67.170]) by aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060609084117.CUJV16086.aamtaout04-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 09:41:17 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:41:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <44894231.30866.D42969@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.911,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: IC706 vs TS850 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5943 Having changed my main station radio from an IC706 Mk1 to a TS- 850SAT, I have been able to compare the two at LF. The TS-850 is better than the IC-706 because: * It is much more sensitive at LF (even better than the IC-706 plus LF pre-amp). It works well down to 30kHz, though not specified. * Strong signal handling is better. * The AGC can be switched off. * More selectivity options (variable bandpass, notch). The IC-706 is better than the TS-850 because: * Frequency readout is down to 1Hz, rather than the 850's 10Hz. * Tuning is in 1Hz steps. The 850 is 10Hz, even on so-called 'Fine' which does not fine tune, it just reduces the Hz/revolution. * Frequency stability is better. * Frequency accuracy is better. My old and battered 706 could be set accurately to within 1Hz anywhere in its spectrum. I could confidently measure frequency with Argo down to 0.1Hz after calibrating the radio against 198kHz. By contrast, my 850 has an error varying from zero to several Hz from one end of each 500kHz 'chunk' to the other. * The tuning knob has a finger hole which makes frequency changes much easier, both when fine tuning and rapidly changing frequency. In short, the TS-850 is a better radio, but the synthesiser and its tuning knob are poorer than the IC-706. Hope this helps someone. 73 de Mike, G3XDV ============== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206468337327875273 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: a956d49f151ffa27bb3509016316a6c7e9b49ef7 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs14186wrc; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.235.2 with SMTP id i2mr3950975nfh; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:59:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l22si6091595nfc.2006.06.19.16.01.43; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:01:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FsSbX-0004e7-5g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:52:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FsSbW-0004dy-H5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:52:22 +0100 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FsSbS-0005jn-1R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:52:22 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.5.) id l.52f.a26b3 (57293) for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:52:09 -0400 (EDT) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: <52f.a26b3.31c88499@aol.com> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:52:09 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5001 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.069,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF LOW Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="-----------------------------1150757529" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.8 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5961 -------------------------------1150757529 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Attitude! Attitude! Attitude! My own deeply held belief is that the genuine radio amateur is motivated by a deep curiosity. This curosity is centered around the concept of using radio as a primary medium of communication but NOT to the exclusion of any interest grouping or sub-grouping. For some it is a curiosity of one's fellow man across a country, region or globe. For others it is a curiosity about things technical or scientific. For some it is a curiosity and search for self-knowledge using a combination of technical and commuications skills. This diversity of activity and interest is manifest in a variety of ways as acccountable and differentiated as almost the sum of the number of those individuals employed, involved and invested in the pursuit. But does it really matter who what or why? It is a truism that (no matter who originatedthe phrase) " 'tis a far better thing we do than that which we might have ever done" ! We might just have wasted our time but we did not! We lived and experienced being alive and dippd our toes in the great ocean ofnatural science. That we did it as part of a global community of like-minded people is one of the wonders of our achievement. Let's face it who needs Windows and Gates ? they are both transparent to RF! And, as for "instant messaging"...................................if someone would just reply when i call CQ we'd have that one cracked too! 73 de pat g4gvw -------------------------------1150757529 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Attitude! Attitude! Attitude!

My own deeply held belief is that the genuine radio amateur is motivate= d by=20 a deep curiosity.

This curosity is centered around the concept of using radio as a primar= y=20 medium of communication but NOT to the exclusion of any interest grouping or= =20 sub-grouping.

For some it is a curiosity of one's fellow man across a country, region= or=20 globe. For others it is a curiosity about things technical or scientific. Fo= r=20 some it is a curiosity and search for self-knowledge using a combination of=20 technical and commuications skills.

This diversity of activity and interest is manifest in a variety of way= s as=20 acccountable and differentiated as almost the sum of the number of thos= e=20 individuals employed, involved and invested in the pursuit.

But does it really matter who what or why?

It is a truism that (no matter who originatedthe phrase) " 'tis a= far=20 better thing we do than that which we might have ever done" !

We might just have wasted our time but we did not!

We lived and experienced being alive and dippd our toes in the great oc= ean=20 ofnatural science.

That we did it as part of a global community of like-minded people= is=20 one of the wonders of our achievement.

Let's face it who needs Windows and Gates ? they are both transparent t= o=20 RF!

And, as for "instant messaging"...................................if=20 someone would just reply when i call CQ we'd have that one cracked too!

73 de pat g4gvw

-------------------------------1150757529-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206468337327875273 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: b504a10cb214d6de927076f725c7d71c42b294bd Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs3479wrc; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 03:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.237.14 with SMTP id k14mr4551642nfh; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 03:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x24si5581679nfb.2006.06.18.03.19.43; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 03:19:44 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FruFx-00022n-B9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:11:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FruFw-00022e-UC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:11:48 +0100 Received: from smtp2.orange.fr ([193.252.22.29]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FruFt-0000BZ-8B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 11:11:48 +0100 Received: from john-b5a82ea1a4 (Mix-Dijon-116-3-139.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.250.134.139]) by mwinf0201.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5CA061C0045F for ; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:11:34 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060618101138379.5CA061C0045F@mwinf0201.orange.fr Message-ID: <200606181211010924.3E63BC0E@smtp.wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <000701c69250$2a7cd1a0$0ec828c3@captbrian> References: <000701c69233$ce4c92b0$17e4fc3e@g3kev> <000701c69250$2a7cd1a0$0ec828c3@captbrian> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 12:11:01 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-2.173,DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.374,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376 Subject: Re: LF: Re: LF LOW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5962 See Mal's remarks below: where are the black box appliances which I can buy= for 136kHz? Or walkie-talkies for 1.3GHz? If you can't buy commercial equipment, you have to build it. Perhaps Mal= would regard the above bands and the higher microwave ones as the last= refuge of "real" amateur radio. For my part, I have noticed in recent= years an upsurge of operation on 7MHz CW by M3s. As far as the ability to build something is concerned, I believe the= Intermediate and Full UK licence exam require candidates to build= something. Last year my local radio club in Suffolk was going through a= Health & Safety review because the students needed to be able to solder. F5VLF/G3PAI >----- Original Message ----- >From: "hamilton mal" >To: "rsgb" >Sent: 17 June 2006 18:30 >Subject: LF: LF LOW > > >> LF seems to be an all time low, no acty at all recently, it is hardly >worth >> the effort.The internet and mobile phones seem to be a better bet, >followed >> by vhf/uhf then hf if you want to talk to someone. >> Most operators are now appliance ops, no cw or technical skills required >any >> more.The norm now is buy a box, plug in and go. In fact most amateurs >today >> cannot solder, or even change a fuse, hardly amateur radio. >> >> 73 G3KEV >> >> on >> >> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1206468337327875273 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 0ca364c881c4b7b4064296a40354db276941aaea Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs23296wrc; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 13:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.47.15 with SMTP id u15mr3127641nfu; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 13:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l21si4948084nfc.2006.06.17.13.57.46; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 13:57:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FrhoN-0008Hs-2R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:54:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FrhoM-0008Hj-Ft for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:54:30 +0100 Received: from smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.12]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FrhoI-0001dO-OL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:54:30 +0100 Received: from tnt-5-14.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.200.14] helo=captbrian) by smarthost2.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1FrhoE-000L0G-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:54:24 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c69250$2a7cd1a0$0ec828c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <000701c69233$ce4c92b0$17e4fc3e@g3kev> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 21:53:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: LF: Re: LF LOW Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5963 You are fifteen years too late. The time to complain was back then when an organisation decided there was more money to be made from three box-operators than one radio amateur and persuaded govt. to reduce technical knowledge for an amateur licence. You'll have an uphill struggle to reverse it now. G3GVB ----- Original Message ----- From: "hamilton mal" To: "rsgb" Sent: 17 June 2006 18:30 Subject: LF: LF LOW > LF seems to be an all time low, no acty at all recently, it is hardly worth > the effort.The internet and mobile phones seem to be a better bet, followed > by vhf/uhf then hf if you want to talk to someone. > Most operators are now appliance ops, no cw or technical skills required any > more.The norm now is buy a box, plug in and go. In fact most amateurs today > cannot solder, or even change a fuse, hardly amateur radio. > > 73 G3KEV > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205462372855970258 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: d338a944ecd3d41793eeb1917421b10aa60b8cd6 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs8481wrc; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 06:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.2.11 with SMTP id e11mr471374nfi; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 06:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id d2si934506nfe.2006.06.07.06.41.56; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 06:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnyD1-0000zg-5I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:36:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnyD0-0000zX-Lq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:36:30 +0100 Received: from smtp16.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.7]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnyCx-0007CT-O9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:36:30 +0100 Received: from laptopbinnen (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by smtp16.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with SMTP id <0J0H002M1SGE7P@smtp16.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:36:14 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:36:17 +0200 From: Henny van Elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <002701c68a37$5a763b10$877ba8c0@laptopbinnen> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000c01c68995$95f40ed0$aa7ba8c0@ACER> <44866CDC.2010407@online.fr> <001601c68a29$09d19460$877ba8c0@laptopbinnen> <4486C99C.2010809@w1tag.com> X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.221,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.492 Subject: Re: LF: qrss90 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5996 tu john, 73; henny pa3cpm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 2:42 PM Subject: Re: LF: qrss90 > Henny, > > I ran captures for the last two nights, but saw nothing. Weather > conditions are now poor here, and solar activity would also be reducing > signal levels. > > John Andrews, W1TAG > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205462372855970258 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: f25769f89fe3a9975a142222a6f08e42c3b323b2 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs5858wrc; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:47:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.36.1 with SMTP id o1mr422261nfj; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 05:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k9si874487nfc.2006.06.07.05.47.10; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 05:47:13 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnxLk-0000mz-99 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:41:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnxLj-0000mq-RV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:41:27 +0100 Received: from smtpout06-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.224] helo=smtpout06-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnxLe-0006eB-GU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:41:27 +0100 Received: (qmail 14044 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 12:41:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout06-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.227) with ESMTP; 07 Jun 2006 12:41:11 -0000 Message-ID: <4486C99C.2010809@w1tag.com> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:42:04 -0400 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c68995$95f40ed0$aa7ba8c0@ACER> <44866CDC.2010407@online.fr> <001601c68a29$09d19460$877ba8c0@laptopbinnen> In-Reply-To: <001601c68a29$09d19460$877ba8c0@laptopbinnen> X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.067 Subject: Re: LF: qrss90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5997 Henny, I ran captures for the last two nights, but saw nothing. Weather conditions are now poor here, and solar activity would also be reducing signal levels. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205462372855970258 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 3dc72dc3e7a1f2dd96d90a990a41c50d3a0cde74 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs4216wrc; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:00:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.38.4 with SMTP id q4mr380317nfj; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 04:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l22si837102nfc.2006.06.07.04.58.55; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 04:58:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fnwbj-0000cG-7P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:53:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fnwbi-0000c7-Sv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:53:54 +0100 Received: from psmtp04.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fnwbf-0006CU-Q6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:53:54 +0100 Received: from laptopbinnen (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by psmtp04.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.07 (built Jun 24 2005)) with SMTP id <0J0H00GBPNPLPL@psmtp04.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:53:45 +0200 (MEST) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:53:48 +0200 From: Henny van Elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <001601c68a29$09d19460$877ba8c0@laptopbinnen> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <000c01c68995$95f40ed0$aa7ba8c0@ACER> <44866CDC.2010407@online.fr> X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.257,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.492 Subject: Re: LF: qrss90 Content-type: text/plain; reply-type=response; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5998 tu jean pierre 73 henny pa3cpm ----- Original Message -----=20 =46rom: "Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9" To: Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: Re: LF: qrss90 Hello Henny, Good copy of your signal the last night ! the captures are on : http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/ 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj in JN06ht henny van elst a =E9crit : > hello all, > this evening i will transmit qrss90 > freq. 136318 hz. > captures would be appreciated,and please let me know if you see an= y=20 > trace. > 73 henny pa3cpm jo22mb. --=20 Visitez mon site radioamateur =E0 : http://jpmere.online.fr/ Analys=E9 avec Norton Antivirus garanti sans virus connu From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205462372855970258 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 421fa1a592716229a779132a3f170105ad653cb5 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs18063wrc; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:17:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.2.11 with SMTP id e11mr155698nfi; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a23si514462nfc.2006.06.06.23.17.04; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:17:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnrBa-0008Da-UI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:06:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnrBX-0008DR-9Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:06:31 +0100 Received: from smtp1-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.27]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnrBQ-0002Pj-4W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:06:31 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp1-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F1917A92C for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:06:23 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44866CDC.2010407@online.fr> Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:06:20 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c68995$95f40ed0$aa7ba8c0@ACER> In-Reply-To: <000c01c68995$95f40ed0$aa7ba8c0@ACER> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.501 Subject: Re: LF: qrss90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 5999 Hello Henny, Good copy of your signal the last night ! the captures are on : http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/ 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj in JN06ht henny van elst a =E9crit : > hello all, > =20 > this evening i will transmit qrss90 > =20 > freq. 136318 hz. > =20 > captures would be appreciated,and please let me know if you see any tra= ce. > =20 > 73 henny pa3cpm jo22mb. --=20 Visitez mon site radioamateur =E0 : http://jpmere.online.fr/ Analys=E9 avec Norton Antivirus garanti sans virus connu From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205462372855970258 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: d01852ea9992b119f7d226e39d741c3d95a0f280 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs12288wrc; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.6.9 with SMTP id j9mr5596307nfi; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a23si4599050nfc.2006.06.06.11.28.23; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 11:28:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fng8N-0006kS-Dj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:18:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fng8M-0006kJ-Tv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:18:30 +0100 Received: from smtp18.wxs.nl ([195.121.247.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Fng8I-0003xq-V9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:18:30 +0100 Received: from ACER (ip51cc8b9f.speed.planet.nl [81.204.139.159]) by smtp18.wxs.nl (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 Patch 2 (built Jul 14 2004)) with SMTP id <0J0G003LXAUJJX@smtp18.wxs.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 20:18:21 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 20:18:18 +0200 From: henny van elst To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <000c01c68995$95f40ed0$aa7ba8c0@ACER> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.309,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.492,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: qrss90 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_UxittVCwmAhT0/XYYzk/nw)" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=HTML_60_70,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_UxittVCwmAhT0/XYYzk/nw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT hello all, this evening i will transmit qrss90 freq. 136318 hz. captures would be appreciated,and please let me know if you see any trace. 73 henny pa3cpm jo22mb. --Boundary_(ID_UxittVCwmAhT0/XYYzk/nw) Content-type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

hello all,

this evening i will transmit qrss90

freq. 136318 hz.

captures would be appreciated,and please let me know if you see any trace.

73 henny pa3cpm jo22mb.

--Boundary_(ID_UxittVCwmAhT0/XYYzk/nw)-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205380245987016929 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: d1d95c9b2a08af101c2d63ecbe96cca79f6d4629 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs5465wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.42.5 with SMTP id p5mr3540177nfp; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id r34si585332nfc.2006.06.05.13.43.01; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 13:43:02 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnLqr-0002ed-UA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:39:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnLqr-0002eU-JB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:39:05 +0100 Received: from mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47] helo=mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnLqn-0000TW-GD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:39:05 +0100 Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060605203855.CVHF29343.mtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:38:55 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([82.10.67.170]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060605203855.NCDW24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 21:38:55 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:38:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4484A469.31852.2C33215@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.185,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: FNY, CPM and XDV Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6104 I have moved slightly LF. Observed frequencies are: PA3FNY 136.3190kHz PA3CPM 136.6175kHz G3XDV 136.3167kHz Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205426024707543514 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: eb811f3a2c8255ce9c57ed75c6f6f90a4e2f4c51 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs3715wrc; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 01:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.12.19 with SMTP id 19mr5106754nfl; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 01:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p45si3469230nfa.2006.06.06.01.50.39; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 01:50:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnXEg-0005Uu-B7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:48:26 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnXEf-0005Ul-U9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:48:25 +0100 Received: from rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de ([195.37.42.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnXEb-0006VL-Q7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 09:48:25 +0100 Received: from rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de (rzlsrv2.fh-amberg-weiden.de [10.10.52.11]) by rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux 8.0 (i386)) with SMTP id 78CE3212F6C for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:46:40 +0200 (CEST) Received: from fh-amberg-weiden.de (nb-koelpints.fh-amberg-weiden.de [10.10.130.135]) by rzlsrv1.fh-amberg-weiden.de (Postfix on SuSE Linux 8.0 (i386)) with ESMTP id 591D7212F67 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:46:40 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <44854105.9080102@fh-amberg-weiden.de> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:47:01 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Thomas_K=F6lpin?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de-DE; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030619 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: de-de, de MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20060530.162529.3712.0.riese-k3djc@juno.com> <006201c68941$b26ff8c0$c21686d4@captbrian> In-Reply-To: <006201c68941$b26ff8c0$c21686d4@captbrian> X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.366,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,HTML_TITLE_EMPTY=0.045 Subject: Re: LF: meaning of 55 ? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090108090205020204030805" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_20_30,HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TITLE_EMPTY autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6122 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090108090205020204030805 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Bryan, 55 means something like "best success". Originally it results from the German "viele Punkte" (cw interpretation "many dots", where "Punkte" in German can also mean "scores"). You�ll hardly hear it outside of German traffic. It has been used in Germany long before the thirties of the last century - so it should be unsuspected ... 73 es 55! Tom, DK1IS JN59WK captbrian schrieb: >What do EU stations mean when they send 55 .Never to g stations as far as I >can hear. I've heard hints it hs political connotations but exactly what was >never clear > >Bryan >----- Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Sent: 30 May 2006 21:17 >Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: how to do? (2) > > > > >>On Tue, 30 May 2006 18:17:58 +0100 "Gary - G4WGT" >>writes: >> >> >>>Hi Bryan, >>> >>>I have always assumed TU to be "To You", perhaps someone will >>>confirm!!! >>> >>>73 >>> >>>Gary - G4WGT >>> >>> >>> >>there's the rub ! >>I can copy code but I dont know the language >> >>HAR >> >>Bob K3DJC >> >> >> >> > > > > > --------------090108090205020204030805 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Bryan,

55 means something like "best success". Originally it results from the German "viele Punkte" (cw interpretation "many dots", where "Punkte" in German can also mean "scores"). You´ll hardly hear it outside of German traffic. It has been used in Germany long before the thirties of the last century - so it should be unsuspected ...

73 es 55!

Tom, DK1IS
JN59WK

captbrian schrieb:

What do EU stations mean when they send 55 .Never to g stations as far as I
can hear. I've heard hints it hs political connotations but exactly what was
never clear

Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: <riese-k3djc@juno.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 30 May 2006 21:17
Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: how to do? (2)

On Tue, 30 May 2006 18:17:58 +0100 "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
writes:

Hi Bryan,

I have always assumed TU to be "To You", perhaps someone will
confirm!!!

73

Gary - G4WGT

there's the rub !
I can copy code but I dont know the language

HAR

Bob K3DJC

--------------090108090205020204030805-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205352282403028111 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: bdcf97febbaf00dd316c7332862171f26e9476e8 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs3293wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.243.8 with SMTP id q8mr4666270nfh; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l27si5677993nfa.2006.06.05.12.47.33; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 12:47:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnL0j-0002Dj-JG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:45:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnL0j-0002Da-8N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:45:13 +0100 Received: from smtp.wp.pl ([212.77.101.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnL0f-0008OM-Vj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 20:45:13 +0100 Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 15538 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2006 21:45:03 +0200 Received: from br198.internetdsl.tpnet.pl (HELO [192.168.0.103]) (sq5bpm@[80.53.201.198]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 5 Jun 2006 21:45:03 +0200 Message-ID: <44848980.6030802@wp.pl> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 21:44:00 +0200 From: Marek SQ5BPM User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (Windows/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20060605155350.48761.qmail@web25402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20060605155350.48761.qmail@web25402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-WP-AV: skaner antywirusowy poczty Wirtualnej Polski S. A. X-WP-SPAM: NO AS1=NO(Body=1 Fuz1=1 Fuz2=1) AS2=NO(0.737281) AS3=NO AS4=NO X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.072 Subject: Re: LF: TS-850 connector? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6129 Also available in TME (Poland) http://www.tme.pl/katalog/index.phtml?f_szukaj=SE-DIO13&idp=1&lang=en or *http://tinyurl.com/kfas5* 73! Marek SQ5BPM brian hodgson wrote: > Hi Mike - is that the 13 pin DIN ?? I think I got mine from Waters & > Stanton > > Brian - G3YKB > > */Mike Dennison /* wrote: > > I am about to take delivery of a TS-850 (having finally worked out > how to win auctions on eBay). I will need to connect to the multi-pin > accessory socket that has fixed level audio for Argo. Can anyone > recommend a good source for this connector? > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends > http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205352282403028111 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 341b3605f8d78d2367b6cd48d1becf99ef193251 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs8719wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 08:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.222.9 with SMTP id u9mr3519337ugg; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a1si6290482ugf.2006.06.05.08.58.46; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 08:58:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) DomainKey-Status: good (test mode) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnHPx-0001ED-T8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:55:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnHPx-0001E4-AQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:55:01 +0100 Received: from web25402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.10.136]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FnHPt-0006qm-0l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:55:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 48763 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jun 2006 15:53:51 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.uk; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=Af8CFjqjf4Ig1Hiz1GRRHB8VNv87DfyhavgrHpaNWQAzyiRy0s/sjsnNI/a/JieU2rvNv7H5XQNhSASp+x3O8JqutBLamXheJdDaY3BW659+D7QxhIqveV69JDPw7wF1qCHUyw/4b/PiZLZs8oUUzCZmeTjyhRAHAZ/vH6bux04= ; Message-ID: <20060605155350.48761.qmail@web25402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [213.78.182.231] by web25402.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 16:53:50 BST Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 16:53:50 +0100 (BST) From: brian hodgson To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <44843C32.18825.12C1B30@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.867,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: Re: LF: TS-850 connector? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1904394287-1149522830=:47287" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6130 --0-1904394287-1149522830=:47287 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Mike - is that the 13 pin DIN ?? I think I got mine from Waters & Stanton Brian - G3YKB Mike Dennison wrote: I am about to take delivery of a TS-850 (having finally worked out how to win auctions on eBay). I will need to connect to the multi-pin accessory socket that has fixed level audio for Argo. Can anyone recommend a good source for this connector? Mike, G3XDV ========== Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --0-1904394287-1149522830=:47287 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi Mike - is that the 13 pin DIN ?? I think I got mine from Waters & Stanton

Brian - G3YKB

Mike Dennison <mike.dennison@ntlworld.com> wrote:

I am about to take delivery of a TS-850 (having finally worked out
how to win auctions on eBay). I will need to connect to the multi-pin
accessory socket that has fixed level audio for Argo. Can anyone
recommend a good source for this connector?

Mike, G3XDV
==========

Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com --0-1904394287-1149522830=:47287-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205352282403028111 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: e9a2f083f214629d40c66baf6fbdcf8704a7e5f9 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs1941wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 07:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.252.4 with SMTP id z4mr3421273ugh; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a1si6181960ugf.2006.06.05.07.00.25; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 07:00:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnFZw-0008TG-PF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:57:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnFZw-0008T7-Dj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:57:12 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnFZt-0005cq-KR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:57:12 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id A0CD84FE6 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 08:00:01 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <004a01c688a7$e62777a0$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: References: <44843C32.18825.12C1B30@localhost> Date: Mon, 5 Jun 2006 13:56:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.265,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: TS-850 connector? Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6131 Mike, I used to have an 850. I may have a connector here to send to you... I have forgotten how many pins does that particular 850 connector has? I have the service manual here and am looking for another repairable 850 myself. By the way, the 850 has a receiver input lightening protector in the back near the coax connector, which will greatly reduce sensitivity when it has had a spike. The receiver still works, but sounds like it is only half there. Many people will sell their 850 off cheap when the protector does its job, not knowing how to fix the receiver. It is an inexpensive part but don't be tempted to run the unit long without it or your 850 will be all the way dead. :o) If you ever need a page or two of the service manual sent to you, just ask. JA VY1JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205352282403028111 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c2c99348c627fe2e61cd015c1df37358a062fa4d Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs1030wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 06:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.216.20 with SMTP id o20mr3396197ugg; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 06:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m1si6126010uge.2006.06.05.06.40.07; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 06:40:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnFEL-0008Gh-7m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:34:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnFEK-0008GY-Oy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:34:52 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.29]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FnFEG-0005gz-Im for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:34:52 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a82-92-108-254.adsl.xs4all.nl [82.92.108.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k55DYk1v012282 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 15:34:47 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nl9222@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <448432F6.8030201@xs4all.nl> Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:34:46 +0100 From: Ko Versteeg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <44843C32.18825.12C1B30@localhost> In-Reply-To: <44843C32.18825.12C1B30@localhost> X-Antivirus: avast! 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I will need to connect to the multi-pin > accessory socket that has fixed level audio for Argo. Can anyone > recommend a good source for this connector? > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > > > http://tk5ep.free.fr/tech/ts850/pinouts.htm 73 Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205352282403028111 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 0a5f1bf019a99eb7df9cec1c18e07f00a195dd74 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs277wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 06:18:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.17.4 with SMTP id 4mr866494huq; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 06:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 38si1005440hua.2006.06.05.06.18.32; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 06:18:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnEuW-00088d-Sv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:14:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnEuW-00088U-GD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:14:24 +0100 Received: from mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49] helo=mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FnEuS-0005UU-8s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:14:24 +0100 Received: from aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060605131414.KFTT27969.mtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:14:14 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([82.10.67.170]) by aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060605131414.WWNT19763.aamtaout01-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 14:14:14 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 14:14:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <44843C32.18825.12C1B30@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body X-Spam-Score: -0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.189,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: TS-850 connector? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6133 I am about to take delivery of a TS-850 (having finally worked out how to win auctions on eBay). I will need to connect to the multi-pin accessory socket that has fixed level audio for Argo. Can anyone recommend a good source for this connector? Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205908469638095221 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 759b321d5ca5dbc6049b64df3ad1728de8e70ed8 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs3840wrc; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:38:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.3.20 with SMTP id f20mr2364943nfi; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id v20si5552248nfc.2006.06.11.09.38.54; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 09:38:55 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FpSvO-0003Lx-8t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:36:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FpSvN-0003Lo-Jx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:36:29 +0100 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FpSvJ-0006hQ-RW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:36:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 21816 invoked from network); 11 Jun 2006 16:36:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.107.99 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jun 2006 16:36:19 -0000 Message-ID: <002801c68d75$2cb6b7e0$0300a8c0@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: References: <000501c68d67$e09755c0$2102000a@ibm> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 17:36:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.708 Subject: LF: Re: PA4VHF/p fieldday report Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6254 Dick, I believe that your 1amp antenna current into a wire from 450 watts input PA, shows that you have an antenna system problem somewhere. It suggests a loss resistance of aroun 400 ohms, which is very high. I can get one amp into an antenna with about 60 watts. You should be seeing 2.5 to 3 amps, at that power level. I think the problem is you do not have the tuning /matching of the antenna properly sorted out, and this is putting high voltages back to the TX and the LPF. LF antennas can be difficult beasts, particularly when you are "portable" and you do not have much time. If I can ride my "hobby horse" I suggest you make up a simple RF bridge. You can use this to check the antenna at very low power, before firing large amounts of RF at it. With practice you will see what inductance loading and what impedance it is at resonance. If you try to do this with a TX and SWR indicator you can get all sorts of false indications. Each antenna location seems to need special treatment and needs a very flexible approach. You should also be aware that on a shared site, the power from other stations may be affecting your gear. I do not suggest it happened but received signals from an HF station nearby could shut down yout SWR protection, I have seen it happen on HF Field-day sites. Best of luck for your next attempt. Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205400733070133515 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 961cb5e42529eea3832525c1dc383b974d883d50 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs18547wrc; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.241.20 with SMTP id o20mr169410nfh; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q27si529403nfc.2006.06.06.23.37.30; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 23:37:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fnrci-0008LO-Fp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:34:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fnrci-0008LF-2x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:34:36 +0100 Received: from smtp6.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.25]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fnrcd-0007ma-7u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:34:35 +0100 Received: from john-b5a82ea1a4 (Mix-Dijon-114-4-89.w193-249.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.249.233.89]) by mwinf0609.orange.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2B5132400137 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:34:15 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20060607063415177.2B5132400137@mwinf0609.orange.fr Message-ID: <200606070834040247.04F725C7@smtp.wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <001001c6890d$6226d4d0$6501a8c0@eagles> References: <001001c6890d$6226d4d0$6501a8c0@eagles> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 08:34:04 +0200 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.734 Subject: Re: LF: B&K 1432 Scope manual or diagram? DE VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6269 JA, gerry@g3ogk.freeserve.co.uk has an archive of manuals and may be able to= help. Gerry is a medical doctor and uses the archive to support his favourite medical charity. 73 John F5VLF/G3PAI *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 06/06/2006 at 02:03 J. Allen wrote: >Hello All, > >The antenna matching system is being replaced and I need to do repair on >the >scope which is used for the scopematch here. Does anyone have a schematic= >or manual for a B&K Precision 1432 dual trace scope? It would be >especially >good if it is in .PDF format so that it could be sent via electronic= means. > >Help? > >JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205400733070133515 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: fe13733004d0ecce7d5b331fdec7b4b7904649ad Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs2100wrc; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 19:08:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.211.19 with SMTP id j19mr3727451nfg; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id l32si5891268nfa.2006.06.05.19.08.39; Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:08:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FnQvR-0003qB-RD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:04:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FnQvR-0003q2-G8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:04:09 +0100 Received: from yk-mlwprd2.northwestel.ca ([198.235.201.13] helo=mail2.theedge.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FnQvO-0002fD-B9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 03:04:09 +0100 Received: from eagles (whthyt235-40.northwestel.net [207.189.235.40]) by mail2.theedge.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 6B6108DC8 for ; Mon, 5 Jun 2006 20:06:31 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <001001c6890d$6226d4d0$6501a8c0@eagles> From: "J. Allen" To: "LF $RSGB$" Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 02:03:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at theedge.ca X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.221,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: LF: B&K 1432 Scope manual or diagram? DE VY1JA Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6270 Hello All, The antenna matching system is being replaced and I need to do repair on the scope which is used for the scopematch here. Does anyone have a schematic or manual for a B&K Precision 1432 dual trace scope? It would be especially good if it is in .PDF format so that it could be sent via electronic means. Help? JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205560308768853924 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 50b8899a606a09d5fbe8a25e41c274faf20b47f9 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs13156wrc; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 13:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.93.15 with SMTP id v15mr837793nfl; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id a23si1311359nfc.2006.06.07.13.25.01; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:25:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo4WE-0002Ef-NS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:20:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fo4WE-0002EW-4f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:20:46 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.140]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fo4W8-0004jr-Q2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 21:20:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 41622 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2006 20:19:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.159.158.123 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2006 20:19:35 -0000 Message-ID: <006f01c68a6f$b1aebe60$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 20:19:34 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2869 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2869 X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.258 Subject: LF: Re: RE: BBC 198kHz Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6273 >From G3PLX: On seeing the report of Droitwich being off frequency, I connected up my Clicklock set-up, which enables me to measure off-air signal phase relative to GPS. I have to run the system with no antenna in order to get Droitwich low enough in level, and that makes the measurement a little sensitive to disturbances in the shack, but this is a disturbance in both amplitude and phase, and it's quite easy to see that the few degrees wobble I am seeing in the phase is the same as the wobble in amplitude, and is not due to a systematic drift in phase. A random distrbance results in a blob on the vectorscope. A frequency error shows as an arc around the origen. If it had been 1Hz off, I would have expected to see a change of 360 degrees PER SECOND, i.e. a full circle rotating once/sec. All I can see is a circular blob about 2% amplitude, and that's over the last 20 minutes. I would say Droitwich is spot-on. Has anyone who saw it off frequency checked it again (since 20:00 utc) to see if it's back on frequency? Was it off frequency and it's back again, or maybe it was never off. 73 Peter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205040148729746388 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: bb558fa5c16e7ebae326cd401bfc9978ba7001b5 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs2977wrc; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 21:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.30.3 with SMTP id d3mr371027nfd; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 21:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id x27si1928950nfb.2006.06.01.21.19.43; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 21:19:43 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Fm153-0005kE-T8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 05:16:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Fm152-0005k5-VI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 05:16:13 +0100 Received: from bay118-dav9.bay118.hotmail.com ([207.46.8.147] helo=hotmail.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Fm14x-0004tc-I0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 05:16:12 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 21:16:00 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 207.224.79.248 by BAY118-DAV9.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 04:15:58 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.224.79.248] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: References: <060220060245.14087.447FA62E0004031A0000370722007614380B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:15:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.20.0026.0800 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:15:57 -0500 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2006 04:16:00.0815 (UTC) FILETIME=[41759BF0:01C685FB] X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.927,FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS=0.298,HTML_40_50=0.086,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER=0 Subject: Re: LF: Out Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_028F_01C685D1.56D29C20" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.6 required=5.0 tests=FROM_HAS_MIXED_NUMS,HTML_20_30, HTML_MESSAGE,MISSING_OUTLOOK_NAME,MSGID_FROM_MTA_HEADER autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6301 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_028F_01C685D1.56D29C20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That will be a good goal for everyone worldwide to get a signal into = China. Hopefully Laurence can setup a live capture/post website for the = guys doing late night tests... Mike WE0H WD2XGI ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20 Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 9:45 PM Subject: Re: LF: Out Laurence, You will be missed here, but the plus side is that you will be the = only one in China monitoring 2200 meters. I hope that I can improve my = station to the point where you can copy it over there. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Laurence KL1X"=20 > Looked for 185.3 sigs last night but far too QRN'y.My last coax was = pulled out=20 > the grass today and we are packing to be moved to Shanghai PM01 31N = 121E and=20 > should be in our new house in the Suburbs by the end of July - its = going to take=20 > a month of two to get the possessions over there and in the meantime = we will be=20 > in a hotel. We are due to stay in China for about a year before = moving to=20 > Singapore 0J11 1N 103E and stay there for about 2 years before = returning to the=20 > US, unless another project comes up. > =20 > Ive applied for an amateur operating permit and import docs for the = TS87O- and=20 > IC-R75 and do plan to have LF rx in both locations. Likely to be a = loop or=20 > active E probe per the recent Sabah and other locations. > =20 > So, WD2XDW wont get back on the air, and even though its six months = since I=20 > applied for a mod, it sadly hasn't come thru before we move. But at = least they=20 > are getting used to these applications - and Im reducing the US = national debt=20 > by 55 bucks. > =20 > =20 > Cheers Laurence KL1X in 5 > Bartlesville OK ------=_NextPart_000_028F_01C685D1.56D29C20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

That will be a good goal for everyone worldwide to get a signal = into China.=20 Hopefully Laurence can setup a live capture/post website for the guys = doing late=20 night tests...

Mike

WE0H

WD2XGI

----- Original Message -----

From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org= =20

Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 = 9:45=20 PM

Subject: Re: LF: Out

Laurence,

You will be missed = here, but=20 the plus side is that you will be the only one in China monitoring = 2200=20 meters. I hope that I can improve my station to the point where you = can copy=20 it over there.

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm<= /A>

--------------=20 Original message ----------------------
From: "Laurence KL1X" =
>=20 Looked for 185.3 sigs last night but far too QRN'y.My last coax was = pulled out=20
> the grass today and we are packing to be moved to Shanghai = PM01 =20 31N 121E and
> should be in our new house in the Suburbs by the = end of=20 July - its going to take
> a month of two to get the = possessions over=20 there and in the meantime we will be
> in a hotel. We are due = to stay=20 in China for about a year before moving to
> Singapore = 0J11 1N=20 103E and stay there for about 2 years before returning to the
> = US,=20 unless another project comes up.
>
> Ive applied = for an=20 amateur operating permit and import docs for the TS87O- and
> = IC-R75=20 and do plan to have LF rx in both locations. Likely to be a loop or =
>=20 active E probe per the recent Sabah and other locations.
> =
> So, WD2XDW wont get back on the air, and even though its six = months=20 since I
> applied for a mod, it sadly hasn't come thru before = we move.=20 But at least they
> are getting used to these = applications - and=20 Im reducing the US national debt
> by 55 bucks.
> =20
>
> Cheers Laurence KL1X in 5
> Bartlesville = OK

------=_NextPart_000_028F_01C685D1.56D29C20-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205040148729746388 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: dfc227a26fb716691b45e4601ab23f1fca117d9b Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs756wrc; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 19:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.29.18 with SMTP id g18mr300558nfj; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 19:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id g1si1862780nfe.2006.06.01.19.47.58; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 19:47:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Flzf2-0005Mu-5i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:45:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Flzf1-0005Ml-2y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:45:15 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([216.148.227.154]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1Flzew-0005BO-Jc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:45:15 +0100 Received: from rmailcenter09.comcast.net ([204.127.197.119]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060602024503m14009i30pe>; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 02:45:03 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter09.comcast.net; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 02:45:02 +0000 From: k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 02:45:02 +0000 Message-Id: <060220060245.14087.447FA62E0004031A0000370722007614380B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 1.4 (+) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-2.855,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.492,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART=0.106,MIME_HTML_MOSTLY=0.285,MPART_ALT_DIFF=1.505 Subject: Re: LF: Out Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_14087_1149216302_0" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, MIME_BOUND_NEXTPART autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6302 --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_14087_1149216302_0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Laurence, You will be missed here, but the plus side is that you will be the only one in China monitoring 2200 meters. I hope that I can improve my station to the point where you can copy it over there. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Laurence KL1X" > Looked for 185.3 sigs last night but far too QRN'y.My last coax was pulled out > the grass today and we are packing to be moved to Shanghai PM01 31N 121E and > should be in our new house in the Suburbs by the end of July - its going to take > a month of two to get the possessions over there and in the meantime we will be > in a hotel. We are due to stay in China for about a year before moving to > Singapore 0J11 1N 103E and stay there for about 2 years before returning to the > US, unless another project comes up. > > Ive applied for an amateur operating permit and import docs for the TS87O- and > IC-R75 and do plan to have LF rx in both locations. Likely to be a loop or > active E probe per the recent Sabah and other locations. > > So, WD2XDW wont get back on the air, and even though its six months since I > applied for a mod, it sadly hasn't come thru before we move. But at least they > are getting used to these applications - and Im reducing the US national debt > by 55 bucks. > > > Cheers Laurence KL1X in 5 > Bartlesville OK > > _________________________________________________________________ > Search on the go: Try Windows Live(tm) Search for Mobile beta > http://www1.imagine-msn.com/minisites/mobile/Default.aspx?locale=en-us --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_14087_1149216302_0 Content-Type: message/rfc822 From: "Laurence KL1X" To: "lowfer2" , "rsgb_lf_group" Subject: LF: Out Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 02:36:31 +0000 Content-Type: Multipart/alternative; boundary="NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_14087_1149216302_1" --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_14087_1149216302_1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Looked for 185.3 sigs last night but far too QRN'y.

My last = coax was pulled out the grass today and we are packing to be moved to Shang= hai PM01 31N 121E and should be in our new house in the Suburbs = by the end of July - its going to take a month of two to get the possession= s over there and in the meantime we will be in a hotel. We are due to stay = in China for about a year before moving to Singapore 0J11 1N 103E and= stay there for about 2 years before returning to the US, unless another pr= oject comes up.

Ive applied for an amateur operating permit and import docs for the TS87O- = and IC-R75 and do plan to have LF rx in both locations. Likely to be a loop= or active E probe per the recent Sabah and other locations.

So, WD2XDW wont get back on the air, and even though its six months since I= applied for a mod, it sadly hasn't come thru before we move. But at least = they are getting used to these applications - and Im reducing the US = national debt by 55 bucks.

Cheers Laurence KL1X in 5
Bartlesville OK

Express yourself instantly with MSN Messeng= er! MSN Messenger=0A= = --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_14087_1149216302_1-- --NextPart_Webmail_9m3u9jl4l_14087_1149216302_0-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205040148729746388 X-Gmail-Labels: lowfer,rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: b03fbd0ee11e46b6bceb810865dcbe291e2c351a Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs582wrc; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 19:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.222.9 with SMTP id u9mr1468530nfg; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 19:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id h1si1844537nfe.2006.06.01.19.37.18; Thu, 01 Jun 2006 19:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FlzUd-0005Gg-33 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:34:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FlzUc-0005GX-GK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:34:30 +0100 Received: from bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.214]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FlzUY-0003if-2Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 02 Jun 2006 03:34:30 +0100 Received: from BAY116-W4 ([64.4.38.104]) by bay0-omc3-s14.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 1 Jun 2006 19:34:19 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [69.92.243.140] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Laurence KL1X" To: "lowfer2" , "rsgb_lf_group" Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2006 18:34:19 -0800 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Jun 2006 02:34:19.0895 (UTC) FILETIME=[0D071870:01C685ED] X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-2.332,FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD=2.132,HTML_20_30=0.504,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_e6c7679c-de0d-4002-af58-7a26a5fb6077_" Subject: LF: Out X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_HOTMAIL_RCVD, HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6303 --_e6c7679c-de0d-4002-af58-7a26a5fb6077_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Looked for 185.3 sigs last night but far too QRN'y.My last coax was pulled = out the grass today and we are packing to be moved to Shanghai PM01 31N 12= 1E and should be in our new house in the Suburbs by the end of July - its g= oing to take a month of two to get the possessions over there and in the me= antime we will be in a hotel. We are due to stay in China for about a year = before moving to Singapore 0J11 1N 103E and stay there for about 2 years b= efore returning to the US, unless another project comes up. =20 Ive applied for an amateur operating permit and import docs for the TS87O- = and IC-R75 and do plan to have LF rx in both locations. Likely to be a loop= or active E probe per the recent Sabah and other locations. =20 So, WD2XDW wont get back on the air, and even though its six months since I= applied for a mod, it sadly hasn't come thru before we move. But at least = they are getting used to these applications - and Im reducing the US natio= nal debt by 55 bucks. =20 =20 Cheers Laurence KL1X in 5 Bartlesville OK =20 _________________________________________________________________ Search on the go: Try Windows Live(tm) Search for Mobile beta http://www1.imagine-msn.com/minisites/mobile/Default.aspx?locale=3Den-us= --_e6c7679c-de0d-4002-af58-7a26a5fb6077_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =0A= =0A= =0A= =0A= Looked for 185.3 sigs last night but far too QRN'y.

My last = coax was pulled out the grass today and we are packing to be moved to Shang= hai PM01 31N 121E and should be in our new house in the Suburbs = by the end of July - its going to take a month of two to get the possession= s over there and in the meantime we will be in a hotel. We are due to stay = in China for about a year before moving to Singapore 0J11 1N 103E and= stay there for about 2 years before returning to the US, unless another pr= oject comes up.

Ive applied for an amateur operating permit and import docs for the TS87O- = and IC-R75 and do plan to have LF rx in both locations. Likely to be a loop= or active E probe per the recent Sabah and other locations.

So, WD2XDW wont get back on the air, and even though its six months since I= applied for a mod, it sadly hasn't come thru before we move. But at least = they are getting used to these applications - and Im reducing the US = national debt by 55 bucks.

Cheers Laurence KL1X in 5
Bartlesville OK

Express yourself instantly with MSN Messeng= er! MSN Messenger=0A= = --_e6c7679c-de0d-4002-af58-7a26a5fb6077_-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207376736057165112 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: b10c2e08a085b8cbf494ace36b9368224f11812f Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs222031qbh; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 03:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.240.12 with SMTP id n12mr592610ugh; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 03:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id y7si6727397ugc.2006.06.28.03.41.03; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 03:41:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FvXQ4-00019r-EC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:37:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FvXQ4-00019i-0x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:37:16 +0100 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.11]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FvXPz-0001eD-4I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:37:15 +0100 Received: from tnt-2-31.easynet.co.uk ([195.40.196.31] helo=captbrian) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1FvXPu-00084X-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:37:07 +0100 Message-ID: <003101c69a9e$bddfaa20$1fc428c3@captbrian> From: "captbrian" To: References: <008801c69a4f$b7900240$0b01a8c0@server> Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 11:05:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,none Subject: Re: Re:LF:Spark Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6326 Ok. With no authority whatsoever I now declare a Spark Transmitting Amnesty. Quite a few have followed my confessing to working spark as a teenager ... _let's hear from the rest._ I think the kind of mind that did it is the kind of mind that enjoys this list. 50 years later Bryan G3GVB ... ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: Sent: 28 June 2006 02:10 Subject: Re:LF:Spark > Hi Warren, LFers, > > I had to think about your comments for a few minutes, but I would have > to say it's the rigs I've built by hand that have given me the biggest and > best thrills. My very first homebrew receiver, which I still have, was a > simple 1N34 detector followed by a 2N107 audio stage into a pair of > "head crusher" 2000 ohm 'phones. I still recall 50 years later the thrill > of hearing WLS in Chicago as the first signal it picked up. I built all of > it save for cutting the wood for the "chassis" and front panel, as my dad > thought a seven-year-old and a table saw wasn't a good combination! > > 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL > Solar and wind powered > EN93dr > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.5/376 - Release Date: 26/06/06 > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207376736057165112 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 4f7c9b6dabe45d598a047895b8be5ac926427e38 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs211955qbh; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:23:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.49.31.3 with SMTP id i3mr250979nfj; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id c10si3638126nfb.2006.06.27.19.23.09; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 19:23:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FvPeq-00070e-Q7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 03:20:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FvPeq-00070V-E1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 03:20:00 +0100 Received: from fish4.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.140.6]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FvPen-00069O-Oe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 03:20:00 +0100 Received: from server (unknown [10.105.128.23]) by fish4.hurontel.on.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 47777EBBF2 for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <008801c69a4f$b7900240$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 02:10:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at hurontel.on.ca X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.792 Subject: Re:LF:Spark Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6327 Hi Warren, LFers, I had to think about your comments for a few minutes, but I would have to say it's the rigs I've built by hand that have given me the biggest and best thrills. My very first homebrew receiver, which I still have, was a simple 1N34 detector followed by a 2N107 audio stage into a pair of "head crusher" 2000 ohm 'phones. I still recall 50 years later the thrill of hearing WLS in Chicago as the first signal it picked up. I built all of it save for cutting the wood for the "chassis" and front panel, as my dad thought a seven-year-old and a table saw wasn't a good combination! 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207376736057165112 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 5c5bf130f2522ce523070328f9d97a64ed5428a3 Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs210061qbh; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.240.10 with SMTP id n10mr11088nfh; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id p20si7127025nfc.2006.06.27.17.38.00; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:38:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FvO1C-0006SC-15 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:34:58 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FvO1B-0006S3-6f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:34:57 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FvO17-0005Rk-5F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 01:34:57 +0100 Received: from rmailcenter99.comcast.net ([204.127.197.199]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060628003440m13006snlle>; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 00:34:45 +0000 Received: from [24.91.125.179] by rmailcenter99.comcast.net; Wed, 28 Jun 2006 00:34:39 +0000 From: k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, Cc: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" Date: Wed, 28 Jun 2006 00:34:39 +0000 Message-Id: <062820060034.25142.44A1CE9F0006EA030000623622135285730B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Apr 11 2006) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-1.583,DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.376,DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=0.492 Subject: Re: LF: Spark X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6328 J.B., Great story! I often wonder which contact was more fun, the one with the Ford coil and oatmeal box or the one with the latest $4000. ricebox with DSP? -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" > Hello LFers, > > OK, if we're all going to confess, I'll throw in my bit as well. > As a kid I had (and still have!) a "Ford Coil" and I made a > transmitter. I successfully spanned the 18 miles between > our cottage at Kintail and a friend's home in Goderich with > it, using about a mile of abandoned rural telephone line as > the antenna. The "tuning coil" was wound on an oatmeal > container and used a sliding wiper...crude but it worked. > > 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL > Solar and wind powered > EN93dr > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1207376736057165112 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: 94a914d6e73d7cf5cffbcff7b815cb7c79684bcf Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.64.249.17 with SMTP id w17cs205912qbh; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.242.14 with SMTP id p14mr107203nfh; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id q27si7623131nfc.2006.06.27.14.36.22; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 14:36:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FvLAa-0005hs-VM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:32:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FvLAa-0005hj-KV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:32:28 +0100 Received: from fish4.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.140.6]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FvLAW-0003QS-Ta for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 22:32:28 +0100 Received: from server (unknown [10.105.128.27]) by fish4.hurontel.on.ca (Spam Firewall) with SMTP id 6CB51EBA1A for ; Tue, 27 Jun 2006 17:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004b01c69a27$d5742ac0$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 21:25:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at hurontel.on.ca X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=disabled,AWL=-0.812 Subject: LF: Spark Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Status: O X-Status: X-Keywords: X-UID: 6329 Hello LFers, OK, if we're all going to confess, I'll throw in my bit as well. As a kid I had (and still have!) a "Ford Coil" and I made a transmitter. I successfully spanned the 18 miles between our cottage at Kintail and a friend's home in Goderich with it, using about a mile of abandoned rural telephone line as the antenna. The "tuning coil" was wound on an oatmeal container and used a sliding wiper...crude but it worked. 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-GM-THRID: 1205284840408234004 X-Gmail-Labels: rsgb lf X-Gmail-Received: c8c319edbae6fb4783fddf7ea1815c39b7f29c5b Delivered-To: daveyxm@gmail.com Received: by 10.54.127.17 with SMTP id z17cs1627wrc; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.14.19 with SMTP id 19mr2573785nfn; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id k9si4674171nfc.2006.06.04.12.26.35; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:26:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FmyBi-0006Bz-7M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:23:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FmyBh-0006Bq-HR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:23:01 +0100 Received: from smtp08.wanadoo.nl ([194.134.35.149]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FmyBd-0004Ds-05 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 20:23:01 +0100 Received: from pa3fnyzus90725 (cd4400af3.cable.wanadoo.nl [212.64.10.243]) by smtp8.wanadoo.nl (Postfix) with SMTP id 2A22D5366B for