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> Loc: KO73ef

> Dmitry

thanks, Dmitry

73
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Hi Hartmut

>
>For the first time I captured R20CH, working OH1TN and RU6LA. I had
>allready switched the antenna to the west for T/A reception. The
>QRSS10 signal was still "M" copy on the QRSS3 screen. Does anybody
>know the locator of R20CH?
>
Loc: KO73ef

Dmitry




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Across the pond, good copy of VO1NA and WD2XGJ as usual in the past
nights. Only poor reception of WD2XES.
In the T/A window appeared a signal of a UA4 station 00:20-01:20.
Probably Anatoly, UA4WPF running into daylight as I could read only
the first part of the callsign. Due to my unidirectional antenna the
signal was attenuated about 10dB.

It seemed there was a QSO between Ed, RU6LA and Vitaly, UA0AET. I
could read Ed's signal 16:30-18:30, but nil of UA0AET.

For the first time I captured R20CH, working OH1TN and RU6LA. I had
allready switched the antenna to the west for T/A reception. The
QRSS10 signal was still "M" copy on the QRSS3 screen. Does anybody
know the locator of R20CH?

Other stations copied on 137.7 kHz: PA3FNY, OK2BVG, G3WCB, PA3CPM,
SP0TPAX (29th and 30th), RU6LA, F6CWA and G3XIZ (30th).


Captures of all stations mentioned above can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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The picture I included in the text did not appear in the message as it 
reached me.  So I try it again.

To Jim, Peter, LF-group,

I am grateful to Jim and Peter for their interesting comments and 
discussion which I thoroughly enjoyed.

As I mentioned before I first modelled a quarter wave vertical for 
80m  with the top loading coil system under discussion. As capacitive hat I 
used the upper 5m of three guy wires, connected to the top of the 
radiator  under an angle of 30 degrees.
The bottom end of the stub is 1m  above ground level.  At the centre of the 
stub  a  capacitor. By trial and error I found that 1283pF  was needed 
to  bring the system into resonance. At the feedpoint the impedance was 
4925 ohm.  The current minumum occurs at the feed point and the maximum at 
the top of the system. The current responsible for the radiation is the 
vectorial difference of the currents in the two vertical elements. This is 
shown in the following picture that is produced by the Antenna Optimizer 
program.
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The dots indicate the segmentation I selected: 150 segments/half wave.  The 
curved lines indicate the magnitude of the currents. At the bottom end the 
currents in the "stub" are almost equal but in opposite direction. The 
small difference current is flowing in the lower 1m of the radiator between 
feedpoint and bottom end of the stub.

The situation is different of course for the small antennas used at 
LF.  But the principle is the same.

I consider as main advantage of the system that the top coil is at ground 
level and easily accessible. There are no  size and weight restrictions as 
for an elevated coil.  The coil can be made as large and good as you like.

73, Dick, PA0SE  
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<font size=3>The picture I included in the text did not appear in the
message as it reached me.&nbsp; So I try it again.<br><br>
To Jim, Peter, LF-group,<br><br>
I am grateful to Jim and Peter for their interesting comments and
discussion which I thoroughly enjoyed.<br><br>
As I mentioned before I first modelled a quarter wave vertical for
80m&nbsp; with the top loading coil system under discussion. As
capacitive hat I used the upper 5m of three guy wires, connected to the
top of the radiator&nbsp; under an angle of 30 degrees.<br>
The bottom end of the stub is 1m&nbsp; above ground level.&nbsp; At the
centre of the stub&nbsp; a&nbsp; capacitor. By trial and error I found
that 1283pF&nbsp; was needed to&nbsp; bring the system into resonance. At
the feedpoint the impedance was 4925 ohm.&nbsp; The current minumum
occurs at the feed point and the maximum at the top of the system. The
current responsible for the radiation is the vectorial difference of the
currents in the two vertical elements. This is shown in the following
picture that is produced by the Antenna Optimizer program. <br>
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The dots indicate the segmentation I selected: 150 segments/half
wave.&nbsp; The curved lines indicate the magnitude of the currents. At
the bottom end the currents in the &quot;stub&quot; are almost equal but
in opposite direction. The small difference current is flowing in the
lower 1m of the radiator between feedpoint and bottom end of the
stub.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br>
The situation is different of course for the small antennas used at
LF.&nbsp; But the principle is the same.<br><br>
<b>I consider as main advantage of the system that the top coil is at
ground level and easily accessible. There are no&nbsp; size and weight
restrictions as for an elevated coil.&nbsp; The coil can be made as large
and good as you like. <br><br>
</b>73, Dick, PA0SE </font></body>
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Sorry if you receive this for the second time. But  I got a message from my 
provider that the service was temporary unavailable so don't know whether 
the message was send or not.

To Jim, Peter, LF-group,

I am grateful to Jim and Peter for their interesting comments and 
discussion which I thoroughly enjoyed.

As I mentioned before I first modelled a quarter wave vertical for 
80m  with the top loading coil system under discussion. As capacitive hat I 
used the upper 5m of three guy wires, connected to the top of the 
radiator  under an angle of 30 degrees.
The bottom end of the stub is 1m  above ground level.  At the centre of the 
stub  a  capacitor. By trial and error I found that 1283pF  was needed 
to  bring the system into resonance. At the feedpoint the impedance was 
4925 ohm.  The current minumum occurs at the feed point and the maximum at 
the top of the system. The current responsible for the radiation is the 
vectorial difference of the currents in the two vertical elements. This is 
shown in the following picture that is produced by the Antenna Optimizer 
program.
66d8a9.jpg

The dots indicate the segmentation I selected: 150 segments/half wave.  The 
curved lines indicate the magnitude of the currents. At the bottom end the 
currents in the "stub" are almost equal but in opposite direction. The 
small difference current is flowing in the lower 1m of the radiator between 
feedpoint and bottom end of the stub.

The situation is different of course for the small antennas used at 
LF.  But the principle is the same.

I consider as main advantage of the system that the top coil is at ground 
level and easily accessible. There are no  size and weight restrictions as 
for an elevated coil.  The coil can be made as large and good as you like.

73, Dick, PA0SE  
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<font size=3>Sorry if you receive this for the second time. But&nbsp; I
got a message from my provider that the service was temporary unavailable
so don't know whether the message was send or not. <br><br>
To Jim, Peter, LF-group,<br><br>
I am grateful to Jim and Peter for their interesting comments and
discussion which I thoroughly enjoyed.<br><br>
As I mentioned before I first modelled a quarter wave vertical for
80m&nbsp; with the top loading coil system under discussion. As
capacitive hat I used the upper 5m of three guy wires, connected to the
top of the radiator&nbsp; under an angle of 30 degrees.<br>
The bottom end of the stub is 1m&nbsp; above ground level.&nbsp; At the
centre of the stub&nbsp; a&nbsp; capacitor. By trial and error I found
that 1283pF&nbsp; was needed to&nbsp; bring the system into resonance. At
the feedpoint the impedance was 4925 ohm.&nbsp; The current minumum
occurs at the feed point and the maximum at the top of the system. The
current responsible for the radiation is the vectorial difference of the
currents in the two vertical elements. This is shown in the following
picture that is produced by the Antenna Optimizer program. <br>
<img src="cid:6.1.0.6.2.20060421152209.069d68f0@127.0.0.1.1" width=319 height=316 alt="66d8a9.jpg">&nbsp;
<br>
The dots indicate the segmentation I selected: 150 segments/half
wave.&nbsp; The curved lines indicate the magnitude of the currents. At
the bottom end the currents in the &quot;stub&quot; are almost equal but
in opposite direction. The small difference current is flowing in the
lower 1m of the radiator between feedpoint and bottom end of the
stub.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br><br>
The situation is different of course for the small antennas used at
LF.&nbsp; But the principle is the same.<br><br>
<b>I consider as main advantage of the system that the top coil is at
ground level and easily accessible. There are no&nbsp; size and weight
restrictions as for an elevated coil.&nbsp; The coil can be made as large
and good as you like. <br><br>
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At 18:38 29/4/2006 +0000, you wrote:

> Can you hear me or see my signals on QRS 1-3, I do not go any
> slower. I can be heard in 5B4 and beyond.

Hi Mal, these days the Naval station SXV on 135.8 is
active and its sidebands cover the whole band. Perhaps
Alex SV8QG who is located some safe distance from
Marathon could receive you.

73 Costas SV1XV




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Hi Costas.
Tnx ur msg. The same applies all over EU now. Radio amateurs are getting
rare and today those on radio are appliance operators and think that an
Antenna is something sticking out of the top of a SPIDER !!!!
Can you hear me or see my signals on QRS 1-3, I do not go any slower. I can
be heard in 5B4 and beyond.
73 and agn tnx
de Mal/G3KEV

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>
> At 17:43 28/4/2006 +0000, you wrote:
>
> > Look out for acty from the above countries sometime in the future
>
> Hi Mal, the new frequency allocation tables for Greece
> have a reference for amateur radio application in
> 130-148.5 kHz. Still very few greek hams combine the
> technical expertise, the space for antennas and the
> motivation to set up an LF station.
>
> 73 Costas SV1XV
>
>
>
>



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Dear LF enthusiasts,

I'll work on 136 Apr 29-30

73! Ed RU6LA   http://136.73.ru



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At 17:43 28/4/2006 +0000, you wrote:

> Look out for acty from the above countries sometime in the future

Hi Mal, the new frequency allocation tables for Greece
have a reference for amateur radio application in
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technical expertise, the space for antennas and the
motivation to set up an LF station. 

73 Costas SV1XV





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Hi All
Look out for acty from the above countries sometime in the future and thanks
for the reports of my CW. I am active most days on cw and appreciate reports
from the most distant parts of EU and the middle east, some YI stns are also
listening out for EU acty on CW but not QRS.
73 de Mal/G3KEV



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Lieber Uwe,
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>From G3PLX:

My contact at Lancaster University tells me that the Aurora alert this 
afternoon was caused by an equipment malfunction.

No aurora is expected.

I was watching the phase of LORAN lines on 136kHz and saw no unusual phase 
advance, so it did seem a little strange, and the Xray flux activity this 
afternoon didn't tie in.

73
Peter



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   Sorry... But 73 !
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I asked a while ago about sourcing aluminium masts, and received some 
useful replies.

In the end I found a useful supplier, www.tvaerials.com who are in 
Kent but will ship at very reasonable cost. The longest poles they 
sell are 20ft, which they deliver by Night Freight within a day or 
two - the driver said "what on earth do you need those for?" Most 
amateur radio suppliers who sell long poles will not deliver.

The result is that I have replaced my very heavy steel pole that 
required several people to lift, and I can erect the antenna single 
handed. This makes experimenting and repair much easier. And I am 
back on the air again.

73 de Mike, G3XDV
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Dear all,

The grabber has been running for the whole week in the TA mode, no luck 
though, but this could have been expected :) Today I've been at the 
club, there was the Easter meeting of ZCC members and I had the 
opportunity to switch Argo to 3s QRSS. So far captured RU6LA (very 
strong, captures: 345-346, 357, 360, 363, 370-373) and OM2TW (weak, i.e. 
356-359). I can't locate the other stations' traces, but even those two 
captures is better than I would expect, taking into account the antenna 
size and current position (not very high above the roof). Anyway, I 
leave the grabber running: http://80.53.201.198/~sp5zcc1/argo/?C=M;O=D .

73! Marek SQ5BPM


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It seems that some computers could not  open the attached diagrams in my 
previous e-mail..
I therefore send send them again as part of the message itself. Hope this 
helps.
73, Dick, PA0SE

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To All from PA0SE,

By chance I came across an interesting article in the Dutch weekly (!) 
magazine Radio Expres of 11 January 1934. It referred to an article in the 
Proceedings of the IRE of December 1933 by Nickle, Dome and Brown on a 
procedure to increase of the feed point impedance of a vertical antenna by 
means of top loading. A normal way is to use a series resonant circuit as 
in fig.1, consisting of a capacitive hat and a coil. The coil is in a 
awkward position for tuning. The alternative by Nickle, Dome and Brown is 
to use a short circuited stub slightly shorter than an quarter wave that at 
its top end produces the proper inductive reactance for series resonance 
with the capacitive hat. Indicated in fig. 2a. The system is tuned by 
moving the short circuit at the bottom up or down. The left leg of the stub 
is doubling as the radiator. An easier way of tuning is to make the stub 
too short and lengthening it with a coil(b) or a stub that is too long and 
shortening it by a capacitor (c). I modelled a quarter wave vertical for 80 
m according to (c) using Antenna Optimizer by Brian Beezley, K6STI. When in 
resonance the feed point impedance was raised from 36 ohm without top load 
to 4925 ohm! The radiation diagram was identical to the one for the 
unloaded vertical within a few tenths of a dB.

It occurred to me that the system could perhaps also be used for a 136kHz 
vertical. Using system (b) in fig.2 the loading coil between top of the 
radiator and topload could be at ground level. The stub functions as a 
transmission line to transfer the inductive reactance of the coil to the 
top of the radiator. Of course a second coil could be inserted between 
bottom of the stub and ground for matching and feeding of the antenna.

What do you think?

73, Dick, PA0SE



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I therefore send send them again as part of the message itself. Hope this
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73, Dick, PA0SE<br><br>
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To All from PA0SE,<br><br>
</font><font face=3D"Courier New, Courier" size=3D3>By chance I came across
an interesting article in the Dutch weekly (!) magazine <i>Radio Expres
</i>of 11 January 1934. It referred to an article in the <i>Proceedings
of the IRE</i> of December 1933 by Nickle, Dome and Brown on a procedure
to increase of the feed point impedance of a vertical antenna by means of
top loading. A normal way is to use a series resonant circuit as in
fig.1, consisting of a capacitive hat and a coil. The coil is in a
awkward position for tuning. The alternative by Nickle, Dome and Brown is
to use a short circuited stub slightly shorter than an quarter wave that
at its top end produces the proper inductive reactance for series
resonance with the capacitive hat. Indicated in fig. 2a. The system is
tuned by moving the short circuit at the bottom up or down. The left leg
of the stub is doubling as the radiator. An easier way of tuning is to
make the stub too short and lengthening it with a coil(b) or a stub that
is too long and shortening it by a capacitor (c). I modelled a quarter
wave vertical for 80 m according to (c) using Antenna Optimizer by Brian
Beezley, K6STI. When in resonance the feed point impedance was raised
from 36 ohm without top load to 4925 ohm! The radiation diagram was
identical to the one for the unloaded vertical within a few tenths of a
dB.<br><br>
It occurred to me that the system could perhaps also be used for a 136kHz
vertical. Using system (b) in fig.2 the loading coil between top of the
radiator and topload could be at ground level. The stub functions as a
transmission line to transfer the inductive reactance of the coil to the
top of the radiator. Of course a second coil could be inserted between
bottom of the stub and ground for matching and feeding of the
antenna.<br><br>
What do you think?<br><br>
73, Dick, PA0SE <br><br>
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Very high static last night. Despite the high noise level good
reception of the QRSS30 signal from VO1NA 22:55-04:05. Only poor
reception of WD2XGJ. Just copied a complete QRSS30 XGJ string about
02:50-03:10.

Good signals from IK5ZPV and EA1PX appeared here about 21:00-22:30
last night.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
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Dear Jose, LF Group,

Nice QRSS Signal here today - thanks for the QSO. Unfortunately, from =
this QTH, you are in nearly the same direction as the Lessay Loran, so =
not much chance of audible reception of your signal here at present.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jose Manuel=20
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  Hi group
  =20
  Thanks Ko for report from Netherland, I didn=B4t "see" any station =
this morning so far, but "heard" CW from Mal, G3KEV, as usual.
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  73 de Jos=E9, EA1PX

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Jose, LF Group,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Nice QRSS Signal here today - thanks =
for the QSO.=20
Unfortunately, from this QTH, you are in nearly the same direction as =
the Lessay=20
Loran, so not much chance of audible reception of your signal here at=20
present.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers, Jim Moritz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 de M0BMU</FONT></DIV>
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black"><B>From:</B>=20
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title=3Djpradoes@telefonica.net>Jose=20
  Manuel</A> </DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi group</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks Ko for report from Netherland, =
I didn=B4t=20
  "see" any station this morning so far, but "heard" CW from Mal, G3KEV, =
as=20
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Hey Murray

Yes the same station. It remains off as nothing is heard here tonight.  
It was a real pain and the butt.  It averaged 40 over 9 most of the time 
and made a real mess of the bottom of the band here. Glad to see it gone.

There is another freq. used by NPG at about 55.4KHz which has been off 
for awhile and is now back on...

73 Scott


Murray ZL1BPU wrote:
> Scott,
>
> If the station you mean is the FSK one on 135.92500 and 135.97500kHz, 
> it's normally good copy here in the afternoon and evening. For what it 
> is worth, the two tones this station transmits are either GPS locked 
> or similar as I can track them with Clicklock - and I guess that's why 
> you noticed it was missing!
>
> I am not hearing it at present. I wonder what's happened to it? On 
> vacation?
>
> 73,
> Murray ZL1BPU
>
>
>


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Scott,

If the station you mean is the FSK one on 135.92500 and 135.97500kHz, it's 
normally good copy here in the afternoon and evening. For what it is worth, 
the two tones this station transmits are either GPS locked or similar as I 
can track them with Clicklock - and I guess that's why you noticed it was 
missing!

I am not hearing it at present. I wonder what's happened to it? On vacation?

73,
Murray ZL1BPU



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On Sat, 29 Apr 2006, Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ wrote:

> ...
>        Thanks to Jean-Pierre F!AFJ, Jean-Pierre F5YG, Hartmut, Alan G3NYK,
> Roelof PA0RDT, and J.B. VE3EAR for the reports and captures. Its because 
> of such a dedicated and diligent group of amateurs that I keep 
> transmiting.
>
>   Your reports are appreciated!
> ...

   No, thank you so much to you, Warren, and to all the operators of part 5 
experimental radio stations in the United States and the stations 
beaconing in Canada, particulary Joe VO1NA. And also to Hartmut, G3NYK, 
PA0RDT, VE3EAR, F1AFJ, and others listening for their patience, 
perseverance and technical skill, helping us to let the waterhole alive.
   It is for us the oportunity to study the propagation in this part of the 
spectrum, and to try to improve our receiving conditions. Many thanks to 
You !

   Best 73, a good Sunday to all on the reflector.

   Jean-Pierre - F5YG

P.S. : by the way, the other Jean-Pierre, my friend F1AFJ, is "out of 
office" for three days. His last report was yesteday morning, the next one 
will be on Tuesday 2 nd morning.





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Hello the list,

        Thanks to Jean-Pierre F!AFJ, Jean-Pierre F5YG, Hartmut, Alan G3NYK, 
Roelof PA0RDT, and J.B. VE3EAR for the reports and captures. Its because of such 
a dedicated and diligent group of amateurs that I keep transmiting.
 
   Your reports are appreciated!

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
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>From G3PLX:

I seem to remember a story of a farmer near the BBC Droitwich transmitter 
who was lighting his farm buildings with RF from the 198kHz transmitter, and 
the BBC took him to court for stealing their power. The judge wisely ruled 
that ONLY if the BBC could prove that the quality of reception was being 
adversely affected by the farmer's action, would they win the case.  They 
withdrew of course.

I wonder if the judge was a radio ham.

73
Peter
 



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Hartmut,
   Thanks for the excellent captures, conditions are indeed improving!


--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Hartmut Wolff <wolff.h@t-online.de>
> Improved T/A signal levels. Good copy of VO1NA and WD2XGJ. Partial
> copy of WD2XNS.
> 
> Captures can be seen here:
> 
> http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm
> 
> 
> 73
> Hartmut
> www.h-wolff.de
> Locator: JO52hp
> 
> 




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Improved T/A signal levels. Good copy of VO1NA and WD2XGJ. Partial
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Hello Alan,

thanks for information...

a upload of my own webspace is possible, of course.
mail direct to me and you can get info to do.


73 michael dk5na


----- Original Message ----- 
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> Michael I have a manual scanned as a PDF file, The problem is my ISP wont
> let me attach more than about 1.5Mb to a message at present and wont tell 
> me
> why....in fact I got NO answers to my complaint. I might be able to find
> room to put it on my web site for a short time for you to collect or load 
> it
> up to a site of yours?? Keep a look out for the PS-3 as well (I dont have
> manual for that  :-((  )
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK




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Michael I have a manual scanned as a PDF file, The problem is my ISP wont
let me attach more than about 1.5Mb to a message at present and wont tell me
why....in fact I got NO answers to my complaint. I might be able to find
room to put it on my web site for a short time for you to collect or load it
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manual for that  :-((  )

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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> hi to all,
>
> since a few days i have a wandel & goltermann SPM-3 in good condition.
> it works very well with the mini whip from pa0rdt - i`m surprice.
>
> can anyone help for information , manual, schematic or so?
>
> 73 michael dk5na
>



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Copied VO1NA, WD2XES, WD2XGJ and WD2XNS.

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http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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james moritz wrote:

> 
> Incidentally, your "topload3" diagram is more or less W4DEX's antenna
> configuration, I think.
> 


A sketch of my antenna with grounded tower can be seen here:

http://w4dex.com/lf/part5/temp/xko_ant.jpg

The vertical ground wire is spaced from the tower by 1.2M and the 
spacing between the two vertical wires is about 0.3M

Dex,
W4DEX / WD2XKO


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Dear Dick, LF Group,

I drew some rather similar pictures myself, and got an identical result -
but the final configuration we both arrived at is different to Figure 2b
from the article, in that the top load section is connected to one wire of
the stub, while the power source is connected to the other. In the
configurations in the article, the power source and the top load are both
connected to the same stub wire.

Incidentally, your "topload3" diagram is more or less W4DEX's antenna
configuration, I think.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Dick Rollema wrote:
> Dear Jim, LF Group,
> 
> I also had difficulty in understanding how it works.  I therefore tried 
> to construct it in 4 steps.  They follow here and I hope they explain 
> the idea without further text.

Dick,

Your drawings show an insulated tower.  My tower is grounded at the base.

Dex,
W4DEX / WD2XKO


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I also had difficulty in understanding how it works.  I therefore tried to 
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Dear Jim, LF Group,

I also had difficulty in understanding how it works.  I therefore tried to=
=20
construct it in 4 steps.  They follow here and I hope they explain the idea=
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without further text.  Please read also what Peter Martinez

73, Dick PA0SE
Topload 1.jpg
Topload 2.jpg
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Topload 4.jpg


At 15:38 20-4-06, you wrote:
>Dear Dick, LF Group,
>
>I am puzzled as to how the top-loaded vertical antenna plus stub is=20
>supposed to operate. In Fig 1, the elevated loading coil is in series=20
>between the vertical element and the top loading, which is perfectly=20
>reasonable =96 but I can=92t see how the stub in Fig 2 could produce an=20
>equivalent series inductive reactance, especially since one terminal of=20
>the stub is unconnected.
>
>I can see that Dex=92s antenna works (I presume the arrangement in Section=
=20
>2.12 of ON7YD=92s antennas page), but I don=92t think it is equivalent to=
 an=20
>elevated loading coil. The vertical wire from the hot end of the loading=20
>coil to the top loading section will be at high voltage along its whole=20
>length, leading to much the same displacement currents flowing to ground=20
>and in the mast, and therefore the same current distribution, as would=20
>occur with a conventional inverted-L with a ground-level loading coil.=20
>This contrasts with a top-loaded vertical with elevated loading coil at=20
>the top of the vertical section, where all the vertical part of the=20
>antenna is at low RF potential, and only the top loading section carries a=
=20
>high RF voltage. The main effect of using the mast and the additional=20
>vertical wire from the top of the mast to the cold end of the loading coil=
=20
>as part of the antenna system would seem to be to add their distributed=20
>inductance to the cold end of the loading coil. In other words, you would=
=20
>achieve an almost identical result by grounding the cold end of the=20
>loading coil to the bottom of the mast, and adding some extra turns to the=
=20
>cold end of the loading coil.
>
>Cheers, Jim Moritz
>73 de M0BMU
>

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Dear Dick, LF Group,

=20

I am puzzled as to how the top-loaded vertical antenna plus stub is =
supposed
to operate. In Fig 1, the elevated loading coil is in series between the
vertical element and the top loading, which is perfectly reasonable - =
but I
can't see how the stub in Fig 2 could produce an equivalent series =
inductive
reactance, especially since one terminal of the stub is unconnected.

=20

I can see that Dex's antenna works (I presume the arrangement in Section
2.12 of ON7YD's antennas page), but I don't think it is equivalent to an
elevated loading coil. The vertical wire from the hot end of the loading
coil to the top loading section will be at high voltage along its whole
length, leading to much the same displacement currents flowing to ground =
and
in the mast, and therefore the same current distribution, as would occur
with a conventional inverted-L with a ground-level loading coil. This
contrasts with a top-loaded vertical with elevated loading coil at the =
top
of the vertical section, where all the vertical part of the antenna is =
at
low RF potential, and only the top loading section carries a high RF
voltage. The main effect of using the mast and the additional vertical =
wire
from the top of the mast to the cold end of the loading coil as part of =
the
antenna system would seem to be to add their distributed inductance to =
the
cold end of the loading coil. In other words, you would achieve an =
almost
identical result by grounding the cold end of the loading coil to the =
bottom
of the mast, and adding some extra turns to the cold end of the loading
coil.

=20

Cheers, Jim Moritz

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Group,</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I am puzzled as to how the =
top-loaded
vertical antenna plus stub is supposed to operate. In Fig 1, the =
elevated
loading coil is in series between the vertical element and the top =
loading,
which is perfectly reasonable &#8211; but I can&#8217;t see how the stub =
in Fig
2 could produce an equivalent series inductive reactance, especially =
since one
terminal of the stub is unconnected.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
style=3D'font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I can see that Dex&#8217;s antenna =
works (I
presume the arrangement in Section 2.12 of ON7YD&#8217;s antennas page), =
but I
don&#8217;t think it is equivalent to an elevated loading coil. The =
vertical
wire from the hot end of the loading coil to the top loading section =
will be at
high voltage along its whole length, leading to much the same =
displacement currents
flowing to ground and in the mast, and therefore the same current =
distribution,
as would occur with a conventional inverted-L with a ground-level =
loading coil.
This contrasts with a top-loaded vertical with elevated loading coil at =
the top
of the vertical section, where all the vertical part of the antenna is =
at low
RF potential, and only the top loading section carries a high RF =
voltage. The main
effect of using the mast and the additional vertical wire from the top =
of the
mast to the cold end of the loading coil as part of the antenna system =
would
seem to be to add their distributed inductance to the cold end of the =
loading
coil. In other words, you would achieve an almost identical result by =
grounding
the cold end of the loading coil to the bottom of the mast, and adding =
some
extra turns to the cold end of the loading coil.</span></font></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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Moritz</span></font></p>

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Hi LF,

Is 136.320KHz still accepted as the UK DX centre of activity?

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Hearing nothing here from NPG on 135930ish as I pull the plug this fine 
morning...

If I can't hear it it must be off! Anyone else notice a change in its 
activity?

Scott



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Hi all on the list !
 
The last night , verry poor conditions for me !
with a strong static activity

*Only traces of VO1NA (just readable)
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the captures of the night are on :
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73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
 

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<div><font face="Arial" size="2">The last night , verry poor conditions
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Dear LFers,

SP0TPAX will be active until the end of today, with some 
possible breaks for the lunch etc. 

In December the callsign was activated to commemorate the first 
confirmed, international amateur QSO made from Poland by Tadeusz 
Heftman on December 6th, 1925. He was using TPAX callsign then. 
The other station was N0PM (in the Netherlands :)

The April activity is to commemorate 80th anniversary of the 
first intercontinental amateur QSO made by the same man with an 
American station U1AAO. 

The grabber is active all the time at 
http://br198.internetdsl.tpnet.pl/~sp5zcc1/argo/?C=M;O=D . As 
you can notice, this morning Chayka was very loud, which made CW 
QSOs impossible. If not that, I could have made a CW QSO with 
OK2BVG, who reported my signal to be 25dB over noise. Yesterday 
I heard RU6LA's signal more than 10dB over noise, however I had 
to TX using QRSS10 for the QSO to complete... I am not sure 
about yesterday QSO with M0BMU, I sent a 'T' report however I 
didn't receive any confirmation. It would be great if we could 
repeat it today, maybe slower than QRSS3 if necessary.

If I have time, I will be active on Monday as well, this time 
using the usual SP5ZCC call.

73! Marek SQ5BPM
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Hartmut, thanks for report of my QSO with Hubert, F6CWA.
The band is crowded!

73 de Jos=E9, EA1PX






----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Hartmut Wolff" <wolff.h@t-online.de>
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> Today there was a lot of activity on 137.7 kHz. I added captures of
> DM2BHG, EA1PX, F6CWA, G3XIZ, G4WGT, GM3YXM, OM2TW, PA3CPM, PA3FNY,
> RU6LA to my website:
>                   http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm
>
> Antenna was beaming at 310=B0 so probably I missed some stations from
> the southeast. Despite the antenna direction, copy of RU6LA and OM2TW
> was possible. M0BMU was so strong, I did not get a good readable
> capture.
>
> 73
> Hartmut
> www.h-wolff.de
> Locator: JO52hp
>
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   Bonjour, Jean-Pierre and all !

   Here only one "N" of VO1NA at about 0120/0130 UTC, and faint traces at=
=20
0310. That's all...

On Thu, 20 Apr 2006, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:

> Hello all on the list !
>
> The last night , poor conditions for me !
> with a strong static activity
>
> Only copy VO1NA
>
> the captures of the night are on :
> http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
>
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
>
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Hello all on the list !

The last night , poor conditions for me !
with a strong static activity

Only copy VO1NA

the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht








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Again good signal level of VO1NA last night. Copied "N" about
22:40-04:40.
Only faint traces on the XGJ frequency, nothing readable.

Captures of VO1NA can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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Jean-Pierre

Was watching 18.1 last night.

18.5 is back to RTTY at the moment...almost solid copy here except for ocassional strong bursts of
static. Would be interesting if they'd run WOLF for a while ;~)

Jay







----- Original Message ----- 
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>
> On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Jay Rusgrove wrote:
>
> > ...
> > They're key down at the moment. The short .wav file below shows just how
> > strong they are here.
> > www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5.wav
> > ...
>
>    Very impressive. I shall try to listen it from here. In attachment, the
> 18.5 kHz carrier, and just below, for comparison purpose the russian RDL
> on 18.1 kHz, that was previously the stronger signal here in this area
> between 10 and 20 kHz.
>
>    Best 73 Jay, Gary, and all !
>
>    F5YG



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I guess that (aurora) will be a couple of days coming yet. The flares (C8
and C9 at 1400 and 1500z) had only a minor effect on LF as shown on Brian's
real-time plot of DCF39.
The first flare activity we've seen for quite a while.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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> From G3PLX:
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> ----- Original Message -----
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A local tale has it that during the last war an inhabitant of Wychbold =
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73 de Paul G4MD
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  Further "urban rumour" had some guy being prosecuted for "stealing =
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  However, I wonder how things stand if the guy down the street =
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Further "urban rumour" had some guy being prosecuted for "stealing  
electricity" !
 
However, I wonder how things stand if the guy down the street persistently  
throws stuff over your garden fence and doesn't ask for his ball to be  
returned?
 
My answer would be that I get to play with his ball !
 
73 de pat g4gvw

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> How about a big antenna with a rectifier/regulator ran off the
> antenna for some free shack power??

And end up behind bars ?
At least in Belgium we have (had ?) a law that forbids "stealing" 
energy from nearby transmistters.
I don't know it is still in force but it was at the time I took the 
exam for my ham licence (1976).

73, 
Rik  ON7YD & OR7T


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Dear Mike, LF Group,

I once tried tuning up my LF TX wire on 909kHz, the  frequency of the
nearest of the broadcast TXs at Brookmans Park (about 500m away). This lit a
60W bulb, but I can't reccomend it as a source of illumination, since it
flickered a lot with the modulation envelope. Should be OK with FSK or MSK
signals though.

At this QTH, when connecting an antenna to a receiver, it is important to
remember there is potentially only 30 - 40 dB attenuation between the RX
input and the Radio 5 Live TX output...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----
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> Hi Mike,
>
> Yes I was tempted by that thought. But the rectifier would cause
> harmonic currents in the antenna wire,  badly affecting by reception on
> LF (whow, back on topic..).
>
> So I will continue illuminating and heating the shack the usual way !
>
> Nice sunday everyone,
>   Wolf DL4YHF .
>




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MIKE REID schrieb:

> Wolf,
>  
> How about a big antenna with a rectifier/regulator ran off the antenna 
> for some free shack power??
>  
> Mike
> WE0H

Hi Mike,

Yes I was tempted by that thought. But the rectifier would cause 
harmonic currents in the antenna wire,  badly affecting by reception on 
LF (whow, back on topic..).

So I will continue illuminating and heating the shack the usual way !

Nice sunday everyone,
  Wolf DL4YHF .

>  
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     *From:* Wolf DL4YHF
>     *To:* rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>     <mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>     *Sent:* Saturday, April 22, 2006 4:50 PM
>     *Subject:* Re: LF: RE: Re: RE: 18.5 kHz in CT
>
>     Greetings all,
>
>     Gary you are lucky to receive the signal with "only" S9+10.
>     I am only 8 wavelengths away from the transmitter, and the signal
>     completely swamps the 'natural radio' signals (whistlers etc) which I
>     try to receive occasionally. Looks like I must build a new active
>     antenna with sharp lowpass or notch filter before the amplifier,
>     because
>     this new bird is going to stay !
>
>     73,  Wolf DL4YHF
>



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Urban rumour had people getting free room lighting around the old Rugby
station

Martin 

VE7MM G4EZG

 

 

  _____  

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of MIKE REID
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 6:37 PM
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Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: RE: 18.5 kHz in CT

 

Wolf,

 

How about a big antenna with a rectifier/regulator ran off the antenna for
some free shack power??

 

Mike

WE0H

 

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Wolf DL4YHF

To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 

Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 4:50 PM

Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: RE: 18.5 kHz in CT

 

Greetings all,

Gary you are lucky to receive the signal with "only" S9+10.
I am only 8 wavelengths away from the transmitter, and the signal 
completely swamps the 'natural radio' signals (whistlers etc) which I 
try to receive occasionally. Looks like I must build a new active 
antenna with sharp lowpass or notch filter before the amplifier, because 
this new bird is going to stay !

73,  Wolf DL4YHF


Gary - G4WGT schrieb:

>Hi Jay,
>
>As Jean-Pierre says, that is quite impressive for the distance. At my
>location (much, much nearer) fully quieting at S9+10db on the Mini-Whip.
>
>73
>
>Gary.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Jay Rusgrove
>Sent: 22 April 2006 13:38
>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>Subject: LF: Re: RE: 18.5 kHz in CT
>
>
>Gary, Jean-Pierre
>
>Yes, I saw that info but just curiuos how big the antennas are.
>
>They're key down at the moment. The short .wav file below shows just how
>strong they are here.
>
> www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5.wav
>
>Jay
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gary - G4WGT
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:18 AM
>Subject: LF: RE: 18.5 kHz in CT
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Jay,
>>
>>Carl SM5BF wrote the following in a previous mail :-
>>
>>that station has of 8 abt 100 kW tx/amplifiers in 2 groups of 4, each
>>tx feeding one antenna. antennas phased together, as a rule only 7 of
>>the 8 systems are operative (one is under maintenance).
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>>
>>Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Jay Rusgrove
>>Sent: 22 April 2006 11:31
>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; lowfer@lwca.org
>>Subject: LF: 18.5 kHz in CT
>>
>>
>>After a couple day absence the lazy dog is back this morning...still
>>    
>>
>amazed
>  
>
>>at their signal level.
>>Anyone know the antenna setup?
>>
>>THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 012345"789
>> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPE OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
>> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
>> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
>> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
>>
>>Jay, W1VD


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color:black'> <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"
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all,<br>
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<st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Gary</st1:place></st1:City> =
you are
lucky to receive the signal with &quot;only&quot; S9+10.<br>
I am only 8 wavelengths away from the transmitter, and the signal <br>
completely swamps the 'natural radio' signals (whistlers etc) which I =
<br>
try to receive occasionally. Looks like I must build a new active <br>
antenna with sharp lowpass or notch filter before the amplifier, because =
<br>
this new bird is going to stay !<br>
<br>
73,&nbsp; Wolf DL4YHF<br>
<br>
<br>
<st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place w:st=3D"on">Gary</st1:place></st1:City> =
- G4WGT
schrieb:<br>
<br>
&gt;Hi Jay,<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;As Jean-Pierre says, that is quite impressive for the distance. At =
my<br>
&gt;location (much, much nearer) fully quieting at S9+10db on the =
Mini-Whip.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;73<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<st1:City w:st=3D"on"><st1:place =
w:st=3D"on">Gary</st1:place></st1:City>.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;-----Original Message-----<br>
&gt;From: <a href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"
title=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@b=
lacksheep.org</a><br>
&gt;[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Jay =
Rusgrove<br>
&gt;Sent: 22 April 2006 13:38<br>
&gt;To: <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"
title=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or=
g</a><br>
&gt;Subject: LF: Re: RE: 18.5 kHz in CT<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Gary, Jean-Pierre<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Yes, I saw that info but just curiuos how big the antennas are.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;They're key down at the moment. The short .wav file below shows just =
how<br>
&gt;strong they are here.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"http://www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5.wav"
title=3D"http://www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5.wav">www.w1vd.com/capture/18d=
ot5.wav</a><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;Jay<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;----- Original Message -----<br>
&gt;From: &quot;Gary - G4WGT<br>
&gt;To: &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"
title=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or=
g</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:18 AM<br>
&gt;Subject: LF: RE: 18.5 kHz in CT<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;Hi Jay,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;Carl SM5BF wrote the following in a previous mail :-<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;that station has of 8 abt 100 kW tx/amplifiers in 2 groups of 4, =
each<br>
&gt;&gt;tx feeding one antenna. antennas phased together, as a rule only =
7 of<br>
&gt;&gt;the 8 systems are operative (one is under maintenance).<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;Regards,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;Web : <a href=3D"http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor"
title=3D"http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor">http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/=
wgtaylor</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;-----Original Message-----<br>
&gt;&gt;From: <a href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"
title=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@b=
lacksheep.org</a><br>
&gt;&gt;[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Jay =
Rusgrove<br>
&gt;&gt;Sent: 22 April 2006 11:31<br>
&gt;&gt;To: <a href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"
title=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.or=
g</a>; <a
href=3D"mailto:lowfer@lwca.org" =
title=3D"mailto:lowfer@lwca.org">lowfer@lwca.org</a><br>
&gt;&gt;Subject: LF: 18.5 kHz in CT<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;After a couple day absence the lazy dog is back this =
morning...still<br>
&gt;&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;amazed<br>
&gt;&nbsp; <br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;at their signal level.<br>
&gt;&gt;Anyone know the antenna setup?<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 012345&quot;789<br>
&gt;&gt; THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPE OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789<br>
&gt;&gt; THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789<br>
&gt;&gt; THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789<br>
&gt;&gt; THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789<br>
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&gt;&gt;Jay, W1VD<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>

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Wolf,

How about a big antenna with a rectifier/regulator ran off the antenna =
for some free shack power??

Mike
WE0H

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Wolf DL4YHF
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>=20
  Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 4:50 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: RE: Re: RE: 18.5 kHz in CT


  Greetings all,

  Gary you are lucky to receive the signal with "only" S9+10.
  I am only 8 wavelengths away from the transmitter, and the signal=20
  completely swamps the 'natural radio' signals (whistlers etc) which I=20
  try to receive occasionally. Looks like I must build a new active=20
  antenna with sharp lowpass or notch filter before the amplifier, =
because=20
  this new bird is going to stay !

  73,  Wolf DL4YHF


  Gary - G4WGT schrieb:

  >Hi Jay,
  >
  >As Jean-Pierre says, that is quite impressive for the distance. At my
  >location (much, much nearer) fully quieting at S9+10db on the =
Mini-Whip.
  >
  >73
  >
  >Gary.
  >
  >-----Original Message-----
  >From: =
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org>
  >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Jay Rusgrove
  >Sent: 22 April 2006 13:38
  >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
  >Subject: LF: Re: RE: 18.5 kHz in CT
  >
  >
  >Gary, Jean-Pierre
  >
  >Yes, I saw that info but just curiuos how big the antennas are.
  >
  >They're key down at the moment. The short .wav file below shows just =
how
  >strong they are here.
  >
  > =
www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5.wav<http://www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5.wav>
  >
  >Jay
  >
  >
  >----- Original Message -----
  >From: "Gary - G4WGT
  >To: =
<rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>>
  >Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:18 AM
  >Subject: LF: RE: 18.5 kHz in CT
  >
  >
  > =20
  >
  >>Hi Jay,
  >>
  >>Carl SM5BF wrote the following in a previous mail :-
  >>
  >>that station has of 8 abt 100 kW tx/amplifiers in 2 groups of 4, =
each
  >>tx feeding one antenna. antennas phased together, as a rule only 7 =
of
  >>the 8 systems are operative (one is under maintenance).
  >>
  >>Regards,
  >>
  >>Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
  >>
  >>Web : =
http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor<http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor>
  >>
  >>-----Original Message-----
  >>From: =
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.=
org>
  >>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Jay Rusgrove
  >>Sent: 22 April 2006 11:31
  >>To: =
rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; =
lowfer@lwca.org<mailto:lowfer@lwca.org>
  >>Subject: LF: 18.5 kHz in CT
  >>
  >>
  >>After a couple day absence the lazy dog is back this morning...still
  >>   =20
  >>
  >amazed
  > =20
  >
  >>at their signal level.
  >>Anyone know the antenna setup?
  >>
  >>THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 012345"789
  >> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPE OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
  >> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
  >> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
  >> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
  >>
  >>Jay, W1VD

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Greetings all,

Gary you are lucky to receive the signal with "only" S9+10.
I am only 8 wavelengths away from the transmitter, and the signal 
completely swamps the 'natural radio' signals (whistlers etc) which I 
try to receive occasionally. Looks like I must build a new active 
antenna with sharp lowpass or notch filter before the amplifier, because 
this new bird is going to stay !

73,  Wolf DL4YHF


Gary - G4WGT schrieb:

>Hi Jay,
>
>As Jean-Pierre says, that is quite impressive for the distance. At my
>location (much, much nearer) fully quieting at S9+10db on the Mini-Whip.
>
>73
>
>Gary.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Jay Rusgrove
>Sent: 22 April 2006 13:38
>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>Subject: LF: Re: RE: 18.5 kHz in CT
>
>
>Gary, Jean-Pierre
>
>Yes, I saw that info but just curiuos how big the antennas are.
>
>They're key down at the moment. The short .wav file below shows just how
>strong they are here.
>
> www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5.wav
>
>Jay
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:18 AM
>Subject: LF: RE: 18.5 kHz in CT
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi Jay,
>>
>>Carl SM5BF wrote the following in a previous mail :-
>>
>>that station has of 8 abt 100 kW tx/amplifiers in 2 groups of 4, each
>>tx feeding one antenna. antennas phased together, as a rule only 7 of
>>the 8 systems are operative (one is under maintenance).
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>>
>>Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Jay Rusgrove
>>Sent: 22 April 2006 11:31
>>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; lowfer@lwca.org
>>Subject: LF: 18.5 kHz in CT
>>
>>
>>After a couple day absence the lazy dog is back this morning...still
>>    
>>
>amazed
>  
>
>>at their signal level.
>>Anyone know the antenna setup?
>>
>>THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 012345"789
>> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPE OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
>> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
>> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
>> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
>>
>>Jay, W1VD
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>  
>



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Hi Jay,

As Jean-Pierre says, that is quite impressive for the distance. At my
location (much, much nearer) fully quieting at S9+10db on the Mini-Whip.

73

Gary.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Jay Rusgrove
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Subject: LF: Re: RE: 18.5 kHz in CT


Gary, Jean-Pierre

Yes, I saw that info but just curiuos how big the antennas are.

They're key down at the moment. The short .wav file below shows just how
strong they are here.

 www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5.wav

Jay


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, April 22, 2006 8:18 AM
Subject: LF: RE: 18.5 kHz in CT


> Hi Jay,
>
> Carl SM5BF wrote the following in a previous mail :-
>
> that station has of 8 abt 100 kW tx/amplifiers in 2 groups of 4, each
> tx feeding one antenna. antennas phased together, as a rule only 7 of
> the 8 systems are operative (one is under maintenance).
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>
> Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Jay Rusgrove
> Sent: 22 April 2006 11:31
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; lowfer@lwca.org
> Subject: LF: 18.5 kHz in CT
>
>
> After a couple day absence the lazy dog is back this morning...still
amazed
> at their signal level.
> Anyone know the antenna setup?
>
> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 012345"789
>  THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPE OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
>  THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
>  THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
>  THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
>
> Jay, W1VD
>
>


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On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Hartmut Wolff wrote:

> Hi Jean-Pierre,
>
>> and
>> something fairly strong but not readable with the QRSS120
>> config, perhaps a local spurious signal (but encountered for
>> the first time) on 137,778.35 Hz between 2300 and 2330z.
>>    73 !  F5YG
>>
>
> UA4WPF was transmitting last night around the Sylt Loran line about 137.7783
> kHz
> ...

   Many thanks, Hartmut !

   Yes ! That began just under the Sylt Loran line before 2300z, then 
slowly drifting 0.05 Hz down till about 2330z.

   Best 73 !

   F5YG



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Hi Jean-Pierre, 

> and 
> something fairly strong but not readable with the QRSS120 
> config, perhaps a local spurious signal (but encountered for 
> the first time) on 137,778.35 Hz between 2300 and 2330z.
>    73 !  F5YG
> 

UA4WPF was transmitting last night around the Sylt Loran line about 137.7783
kHz

73
Hartmut



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   Here traces of XGJ abt one hour around 0200z, and something fairly=20
strong but not readable with the QRSS120 config, perhaps a local spurious=
=20
signal (but encountered for the first time) on 137,778.35 Hz between 2300=
=20
and 2330z.
   73 !  F5YG

On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:

>
> Hi all on the list !
>
> The last night I copy:
> WD2XGJ and VO1NA > 01:00 to 03:00
> WD2XNS,WD2XES, (traces) > 01:30 to 02:30
> the captures of the night are on :
> http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
>
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
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Hi all on the list !

The last night I copy:
WD2XGJ and VO1NA > 01:00 to 03:00
WD2XNS,WD2XES, (traces) > 01:30 to 02:30
the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht







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>Quite a signal!  I measure its field strength as 14.2mV/m

Hello Dick,

distance to the TX is only about 20 wavelengths  ;-)

73, Rik ON7YD

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To All from PA0SE

Quite a signal!  I measure its field strength as 14.2mV/m

DCF39 is 1.8mV/m at my location Leiderdorp, 40kw SW of Amsterdam, locator 
JO22GD

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Hi all on the list !

The last night I copy " VO1NA "
with a strong static activity !
Also copy trace of   " WD2XGJ "
the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht





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HI Gary,Dick and all...

Yes...not get separately picture...only all LF ph. gallery...

http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_gallery/Page2=
.html

Thanks to warn !

Cheers
and regards=20

73 , Joze S52AB

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Gary - G4WGT=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:15 AM
  Subject: LF: RE: Re: pictures of my new 136kHz stn=20


  Hi Joze,

  I could not get the links to work. Your link at the bottom is OK.

  Regards,

  Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

  Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor=20

  -----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Joze Konda
  Sent: 27 April 2006 09:58
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  Subject: LF: Re: pictures of my new 136kHz stn=20


  HI Dick...

  Perhaps what idea for you...
  =
http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_gallery/conve=
rters/QRO=20
  =
http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_eq._december_=
2005.jpg

  When from LX...? ..in autumn this year ?
  Regards

  73 , Joze S52AB , JN75OU

  http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/


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all LF ph.=20
gallery...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_galle=
ry/Page2.html">http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/l=
f_gallery/Page2.html</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks to warn !</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and regards </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 , Joze S52AB</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr=20
style=3D"PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: =
black"><B>From:</B>=20
  <A title=3Dg4wgt@tiscali.co.uk =
href=3D"mailto:g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk">Gary -=20
  G4WGT</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Drsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 27, 2006 =
11:15=20
  AM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: RE: Re: pictures =
of my new=20
  136kHz stn </DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D354130909-27042006>Hi=20
  Joze,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D354130909-27042006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D354130909-27042006>I=20
  could not get the links to work. Your link at the bottom is=20
  OK.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D354130909-27042006></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D354130909-27042006>
  <P><FONT size=3D2>Regards,<BR><BR>Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp<BR><BR>Web : =
<A=20
  target=3D_blank=20
  =
href=3D"http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor">http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/w=
gtaylor</A></FONT>=20
  </P></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> <A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">owner-rsgb_lf_group@bl=
acksheep.org</A>=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Joze=20
  Konda<BR><B>Sent:</B> 27 April 2006 09:58<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
  =
href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
</A><BR><B>Subject:</B>=20
  LF: Re: pictures of my new 136kHz stn <BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>HI Dick...</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Perhaps what idea for =
you...</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_galle=
ry/converters/QRO">http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_20=
05/lf_gallery/converters/QRO</A>=20
  </FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_eq._d=
ecember_2005.jpg">http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_200=
5/lf_eq._december_2005.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When from LX...?&nbsp;..in autumn =
this year=20
  ?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 , Joze S52AB&nbsp;, =
JN75OU</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/">http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/</A=
></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial =
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>From G3PLX:

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Aurorawatch amber alert" 
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> AuroraWatch Alert, 14:02 UT  26 Apr 2006:
> VERY LARGE increase in local activity, possible SSC.
> http://www.dcs.lancs.ac.uk/iono/aurorawatch/
>



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Thanks for the tips.
I got a nice-looking weather map last night using the demo version of 
JVComm32...

http://www.jvcomm.de/index_e.html

Looks like they're sending fax most of the time.
Bill VE2IQ

At 10:37 PM 4/25/2006, Jay wrote:
>SeaTTY  ( http://www.dxsoft.com/ ) works pretty well for both FAX and RTTY...
>
>CFH runs 75 baud / 450 Hz shift...for those that are interested in 
>receiving wx for eastern Canada /
>Atlantic.
>
>Jay W1VD / WD2XNS
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" <k2ors@comcast.net>
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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>
> > Bill,
> >
> >     It's standard 120 lpm weatherfax, there are a number of 
> programs out there that will allow you
>to copy it using your PC and soundcard.
> >
> >
> > --
> > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> > FN42hi



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Hi Jean-Pierre,

  Thank you for the report and capture!
--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Jean-Pierre M�r� <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
> 
> Hi all on the list !
> 
> The last night Good copy " WD2XGJ "
> 
> Also copy trace of   " WD2XNS "
> 
> Nothing here for " VO1NA "
> 
> the captures of the night are on :
> http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
> 
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
> 
> 
> 
> 




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   Here only traces of XGJ, about one hour, sometime after 0230.
   73 - F5YG

On Thu, 27 Apr 2006, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:

>
> Hi all on the list !
>
> The last night Good copy " WD2XGJ "
>
> Also copy trace of   " WD2XNS "
>
> Nothing here for " VO1NA "
>
> the captures of the night are on :
> http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
>
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
>
>
>
>
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>
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Hi all on the list !

The last night Good copy " WD2XGJ "

Also copy trace of   " WD2XNS "

Nothing here for " VO1NA "

the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht





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Hi Dick, LF Group,

What power supply voltage will you be using for your new TX, and what RF
power do you hope to get out with 4 times IRFP450?

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dick
  Sent: 26 April 2006 22:04
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Subject: LF: pictures of my new 136kHz stn


  Hello all,

  Thanks to the help of Jelmer, from the PA6Z contestgroup with his camera
I'm able to show some
  pictures of the new 136kHz station I'm building at the moment.
  I hope to have finished all stuff on time to take it to LX later this
year.

  You can find the pictures, as well as regular updates (pictures as well as
text) on


  http://www.pa6z.nl/PROJECTS/136KHz_trx/136khz_trx.html


  My plan is to put all components that might get warm into a kind of
'chimney'.
  These are the output transformer, zobel network, output filter, as well as
  the RF-choke, and shuntresistors for currentprotection.
  Also some parts of the low voltage circuit.

  I am building the station in 'blocks'
  The pictures taken show the powerstage with 4 times IRFP450.
  Also visible is the antennarelay as well as a part of the driver unit.
  Maybe David may recognize the 3C90 core, hi

  73

  Dick, PA4VHF

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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks to the help of Jelmer, from =
the PA6Z=20
  contestgroup with his camera I'm able to show some</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>pictures of the new 136kHz station =
I'm building=20
  at the moment.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope to have finished all stuff on =
time to take=20
  it to LX later this year.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You can find the pictures, as well as =
regular=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My plan is to put all components that =
might get=20
  warm into a kind of 'chimney'.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>These are the output transformer, =
zobel network,=20
  output filter, as well as</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the RF-choke, and shuntresistors for=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also some parts of the low voltage=20
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am building the station in=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The pictures taken show the =
powerstage with 4=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also visible is the antennarelay as =
well as a=20
  part of the driver unit.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe David may recognize the 3C90 =
core,=20
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  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick,=20
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11:20 UTC DJ6GT test


Happy easter

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Hello all,

I'm building a new (and larger) 136kHz transmitter.

The output circuit is the same as the one used by G3YXM with 4 times
IRFP450.

Each FET will get his own gate input resistor (6R8) and gate-to-ground
resistor (47k)
The sources will be grounded as short as possible to ground, while the
drains of
2 FET's will be connected together.

I am now in the stage of putting the components of the output circuit on its
correct position,
and that raised some questions about where to mount what.

I am using a large heatsink 12x15x5cm.
On this heatsink I mounted a 1.5mm thick copperplate 75x150mm in order to
transport heat quick away from the FET's.
Maybe it's some 'overkill' , but I just want to set up a thing that can run
for hours
on full power; just a bit of reserve...........

The 4 FET's are mounted in a row, separation between the FET's is 1 FET
width (abt 15mm).
The resistor of the 'zobel-network' is mounted just in the center , with
wires about 30mm long connected
to the drains of the FET's.

I do not expect problems, but maybe that 30mm is too long???
I don't think I can make them shorter without changing the whole component
layout.

If anyone has experiences with this amplifierstage and the zobel-network
wire length,
I would glad to hear.

Another thing coming into my mind is to set up a fixed frequency into the
transmitter, beside the VXO.
I do have an 4.9152MHz X-tal, but I have to divide it by 18 to get the
necessary 273.066kHz.
Any simple schematic (with easy to get components) for an divide by 18
circuit?

73

Dick, PA4VHF







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Hi Guys,

Missed out on seeing the aurora last night, as Mike mentioned in his
early morning post, but I see it hasn't totally wiped out LF signals.
Attached is XES's dot pattern as captured here with SpecLab.

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Dave,

There are two issues here - first, the signal being on a non-integer 
frequency, and second, the signal having a non-GPS locked carrier phase.

The first can be handled by setting a non-integer offset to the software 
(Peter calls this a 'spin frequency', because without it the vector traces a 
circle at this frequency). This is quite effective when tracking such things 
as LORAN lines. In other words signals that are GPS related but not integer 
Hz frequency.

The second (non-GPS locked) problem means that even if the signal is very 
stable, the phase you receive isn't meaningful, and you're not likely to 
receive the same phase at the same time each day. If the signal is less 
stable, you may not be able to retain meaningful integration for more than a 
few seconds.

Since I know you'll be able to copy the same signals as me, I suggest you 
try looking at JJY (40kHz) and the Californian FSK station 135925 or 
135975Hz, as both are GPS coherent. There's also a weak one from Antarctica 
on 20KHz and some European ones appear briefly at around sunrise on 75kHz 
and 77.5kHz if you use a long enough intgration time.

Finally, I can send you a GPS coherent signal on 181.400kHz any time you 
wish. I can also transmit any nearby frequency with or without 0.5Hz or 
0.3333Hz offset!

Any stations in VK willing to try looking for my signal using Clicklock or 
PhaseScope?

73,
Murray ZL1BPU



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I'm about to have a play with Scott's new PhaseScope, but I can tell you 
that I have been getting very good results using another program based on 
the same technique, also using Peter's clever ideas. This software is 
Clicklock by Con ZL2AFP (contact him for a copy).

I have been able to detect DCF77 at 18,000km range (4 to 8AM local time), 
and excellent copy of the Califorian FSK station 135950Hz �25Hz, among 
others.

Con has been able to detect my own signal on 181kHz during the daytime in a 
noisy location - I was running only 100mW (that's 4uW EIRP) at a range of 
500km. My LF Exciter is capable of GPS coherent transmission - more about 
that in a separate email.

73,

Murray ZL1BPU



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Thanks to Jean-Pierre f5YG, Jean-Pierre F1AFJ, Gary, Roelof and Hartmut for the reports and captures from last night.

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Hi Guys,

I tried a different configuration of Argo for a capture of your signals =
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Fellow LFers,

Con ZL2AFP has also written a program using Peter G3PLX's Clicklock 
technique.

Clicklock allows any stable receiver to synchronously receive LF signals, 
and integrate them over minutes, hours or even days, in order to pull them 
out of the noise. The technique is extremely sensitive and cancels 
non-coherent signals and noise. The program requires a GPS receiver with 
1PPS output and a special (but very simple) PC sound card interface. Of 
course it also only works on GPS synchronous signals, although they're not 
hard to make.

Con's program has phase and amplitude graphs in addition to the vectorscope. 
I've written a comprehensive document which gives background information, 
setup and operating instructions. Download the whole lot from:

http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~coombedn/FILES/Clicklock2.zip

The filesize is 689k, most of it the documentation!

73,
Murray ZL1BPU



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OK Dave 

With success !
Regards

73, Joze  S52AB

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave Pick" <daveyxm@googlemail.com>
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Hi Joze

Will post on here when I have an antenna working. WX is poor wet and windy!

73 Dave GM3YXM

On 12/04/06, Joze Konda <s52abjoze@siol.net> wrote:
> Hello Dave !
>
> Please your Qrss frequency...?
> Too QRSS 10...?
> With success !
> Regards
>
> 73 , Joze S52AB , JN75OU
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Pick" <daveyxm@googlemail.com>
> To: "LF Group" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:42 AM
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>
>
> Dear all
>
> I shall be in New Galloway (SW Scotland) over the next few days and
> hope to put up my first "Ashlock loop" aerial. I may also put up the
> usual Marconi for comparison purposes. If anyone is around on late
> Thursday, Friday, Saturday and a bit of Sunday I would be interested
> to get as many reports as possible on whatever aerials I get working!
> (weather permitting..)
> I will have QRSS and CW capability.
> E-mail me at wireless.org.uk or this address for skeds.
>
> 73. Dave
> --
> G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK
>
>
>
>


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Hello Dave !

Please your Qrss frequency...?
Too QRSS 10...?
With success !
Regards

73 , Joze S52AB , JN75OU


----- Original Message ----- 
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Dear all

I shall be in New Galloway (SW Scotland) over the next few days and
hope to put up my first "Ashlock loop" aerial. I may also put up the
usual Marconi for comparison purposes. If anyone is around on late
Thursday, Friday, Saturday and a bit of Sunday I would be interested
to get as many reports as possible on whatever aerials I get working!
(weather permitting..)
I will have QRSS and CW capability.
E-mail me at wireless.org.uk or this address for skeds.

73. Dave
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   Many thanks, Hartmut, for the confirmation, best 73 to all !
   f5yg

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Hartmut Wolff wrote:

> Jean-Pierre, Joe,
>
> measured frequency here was about 137.77702.
>
> 73
> Hartmut
> www.h-wolff.de
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>>    But, anyway... May somebody else on the reflector confirm the frequency ?



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Jean-Pierre, Joe,

measured frequency here was about 137.77702.

73
Hartmut
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>    But, anyway... May somebody else on the reflector confirm the frequency ?


>>>    And here JN09XI only traces of 2XGJ abt 0245 - 0345 z 137,779.76 Hz, and
>>> traces of N from NA (?) 0250 -0320 z 137,773.03 Hz.
>>



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   Hi, Joe !

   No...:

   Usually the accuracy is something about +- .02 Hz, maybe better. I use 
the 137,778.370 Hz Loran-C sideband line (GRI 7499) for calibration and 
monitoring purpose, but, last night, unfortunately, this line disappeared, 
I don't know why, perhaps the maintenance scheduled in Lessay and Soustons 
?

   I was using the DL4YHF SpectrumLab with FFT input size 32768, decimate 
input by 64, along with the "one pixel per FFT bin option", the windows 
was open from 137,776.70 to 137,780.33 Hz, and the next line (GRI 6731 - 
137,780.419 Hz), if there, was outside the spectrogram.
   With these options, the steps are labelled each .1 Hz, and the distance 
between two steps is more than 1/4 inch large on the screen, so it is 
easily possible to extrapolate .01 Hz. When the temperature is 
stablilized, and this needs about 1-1/2 or 2 hours, the Loran lines are 
moving less than .01 Hz in the spectogram.

   I fully agree with Markus DF6NM about the usefulness for us of the Loran 
sidebands.
   But, anyway... May somebody else on the reflector confirm the frequency ?

   Best 73 Joe and all, thank you from all of us for running the beacon !

   F5YG


On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Joe Craig wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Jean-Pierre Godet wrote:
>
>>    And here JN09XI only traces of 2XGJ abt 0245 - 0345 z 137,779.76 Hz, and
>> traces of N from NA (?) 0250 -0320 z 137,773.03 Hz.
>
> Hello Jean Pierre,
>
> Are you sure about that frequency?  It is normally 137.7770 kHz.
> Thanks to Jean Pierre F1AFJ, Hartmut and Gary G3WGT for the reports.
> The TX was switched on last night at time Gary first reported reception.
>
> 73 to all
> Joe
>
>
>



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On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Jean-Pierre Godet wrote:

>    And here JN09XI only traces of 2XGJ abt 0245 - 0345 z 137,779.76 Hz, and
> traces of N from NA (?) 0250 -0320 z 137,773.03 Hz.

Hello Jean Pierre,

Are you sure about that frequency?  It is normally 137.7770 kHz.
Thanks to Jean Pierre F1AFJ, Hartmut and Gary G3WGT for the reports.
The TX was switched on last night at time Gary first reported reception.

73 to all
Joe


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   And here JN09XI only traces of 2XGJ abt 0245 - 0345 z 137,779.76 Hz, and=
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traces of N from NA (?) 0250 -0320 z 137,773.03 Hz.
   Best 73 ! - f5yg

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:

>
> Hi all on the list !
>
> The last night I copy:
> VO1NA  > 01:00 to 06:30
> WD2XGJ > 03:00 to 05:00
>
> the captures of the night are on :
> http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
>
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
>
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Hi all on the list !

The last night I copy:
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WD2XGJ > 03:00 to 05:00

the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht





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Greetings all ,

Mal wrote :

>Hi Juan
>EA4BVZ is solid O copy with me today at qrs30 but I can also copy in qrs3
>mode here so if he can try qrs 3 we could have a QSO pse QSP msg.
>
>  
>
If possible, add me to the list. Surprisingly EA4BVZ is still strong 
enough for QRSS3 here, despite the unfavourable time of day. But signals 
on the HA grabbers are also stronger than usual, so this may be a good 
occasion we should not miss.
Despite that, *very* little activity today (so thanks for the cw qso Mal !).

Cheers,
  Wolf .


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Hi Juan
EA4BVZ is solid O copy with me today at qrs30 but I can also copy in qrs3
mode here so if he can try qrs 3 we could have a QSO pse QSP msg.


de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH




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Hi all on the list !

The last night I copy only VO1NA

the captures are on :
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73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht




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Hi All
 
I picked this beast up yesterday, literally....ouch it's heavy:-)
 
It's basically working but will need stripping to clean or replace  switches, 
most rotary ones at least, and smoke has been reported as coming from  the 
somewhere around the front panel PCB although no signs now.
Filter  switching is a bit suspect too but I suppose one may be optional.
 
Does anybody here have any experience of this unit or know where I could  
download a manual or buy one at a sensible cost?
The only one I've found so  far is a pdf on CD at $60 which seems high.
 
regards
 
Nigel
G8PZR


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<DIV>Hi All</DIV>
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<DIV>I picked this beast up yesterday, literally....ouch it's heavy:-)</DIV>
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Good conditions to Eu this evening with DCF39 beating the qrn and strongly 
audible here in the Southern plains at 0200z - at this strength I might be 
lucky and see 137 Khz Europeans...

XNS and MP also visible - Its been hellish noizy here for the past week with 
constant tstorms making a din and throwing things around the yard here.

Laurence


Using Top cap loaded "spiral" ei0cf/g3nyk 32 ft vertical self resonant on 
205Khz and appx 2mH to bring it close to 137Mhz -
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Hi, Ed, LF Group.

RU6LA "O" copy here tonight. (PA3CPM also). Screenshot attached. 

RX=1,3m square tuned loop 120/300 degrees, ICOM IC-PCR1000.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Ed Lesnichy
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Dear LF enthusiasts,

I'll work on 136 Apr 29-30

73! Ed RU6LA   http://136.73.ru



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Hi Vlad,

Thanks you for confirmation.

73 - Gary - G4WGT

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It is correct KN97LN


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>> What is RU6LA's location?

HW> as far I remember locator is KN97LN

HW> 73
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It is correct KN97LN


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>> What is RU6LA's location?

HW> as far I remember locator is KN97LN

HW> 73
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On Wed, 5 Apr 2006, Gary - G4WGT wrote:

> ...
> Thanks for the info, it must be quite a distance for my daylight capture.
> What is RU6LA's location?
> ...

   Hello Gary !

   Strong signal here too. Ed was transmitting 10 mn, then listening 10 mn, 
etc... till 1900 UTC (attached the sceenshot).
   The QTH is Taganrog (North of Azov sea, about 70 km WSW of 
Rostov-na-Donu).

   73 !

   F5YG

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Hi Hartmut,

Thanks, just NE of the Black Sea. I have it marked on my map from a previous
reception but not marked it with the callsign.

73

Gary.

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Gary,

> What is RU6LA's location?

as far I remember locator is KN97LN

73
Hartmut



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Gary,

> What is RU6LA's location?

as far I remember locator is KN97LN

73
Hartmut



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HI Dave & Hartmut,

Thanks for the info, it must be quite a distance for my daylight capture.
What is RU6LA's location?

I don't normally leave the receiver on during the day while I am out working
but with the present activity I decided to do that. The antenna was my Tx
14Mtr vertical.

73

Gary.

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Hi Gary,
attached a screenshot of the RU6LA transmission. It seems Ed had some
trouble with txing FSK and changed to QRSS.

73
Hartmut


> Hi All,

> I have captured this signal shown in attachment today in daylight, the
time
> line is on the left is 1800z & the LORAN line is the 137787.6Hz line so
the
> signal seems to be around 137788.5Hz, also there was a weaker 3 element
> block at about 1730z (not shown). I feel sure that signal in the capture
is
> nothing to do with the tests but it shows something very near the
frequency.
> The slight receiver drift is caused by the central heating. I have shown
the
> LORAN line also to indicate my receiver stability because the captured
> signal looks quite erratic.

> Can anyone enlighten me on what I may have captured?

> Regards,

> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

> Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor


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Hi Gary,
attached a screenshot of the RU6LA transmission. It seems Ed had some
trouble with txing FSK and changed to QRSS.

73
Hartmut


> Hi All,

> I have captured this signal shown in attachment today in daylight, the time
> line is on the left is 1800z & the LORAN line is the 137787.6Hz line so the
> signal seems to be around 137788.5Hz, also there was a weaker 3 element
> block at about 1730z (not shown). I feel sure that signal in the capture is
> nothing to do with the tests but it shows something very near the frequency.
> The slight receiver drift is caused by the central heating. I have shown the
> LORAN line also to indicate my receiver stability because the captured
> signal looks quite erratic.

> Can anyone enlighten me on what I may have captured?

> Regards,

> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

> Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor
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Hi All,

I have captured this signal shown in attachment today in daylight, the time
line is on the left is 1800z & the LORAN line is the 137787.6Hz line so the
signal seems to be around 137788.5Hz, also there was a weaker 3 element
block at about 1730z (not shown). I feel sure that signal in the capture is
nothing to do with the tests but it shows something very near the frequency.
The slight receiver drift is caused by the central heating. I have shown the
LORAN line also to indicate my receiver stability because the captured
signal looks quite erratic.

Can anyone enlighten me on what I may have captured?

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

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Hi All,

I failed to mention in my previous mail that SpecLab was set at about
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HI Dick...

Perhaps what idea for you...
http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_gallery/conve=
rters/QRO=20
http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_eq._december_=
2005.jpg

When from LX...? ..in autumn this year ?
Regards

73 , Joze S52AB , JN75OU

http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/



  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Dick=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 11:03 PM
  Subject: LF: pictures of my new 136kHz stn=20


  Hello all,

  Thanks to the help of Jelmer, from the PA6Z contestgroup with his =
camera I'm able to show some
  pictures of the new 136kHz station I'm building at the moment.
  I hope to have finished all stuff on time to take it to LX later this =
year.

  You can find the pictures, as well as regular updates (pictures as =
well as text) on


  http://www.pa6z.nl/PROJECTS/136KHz_trx/136khz_trx.html


  My plan is to put all components that might get warm into a kind of =
'chimney'.
  These are the output transformer, zobel network, output filter, as =
well as
  the RF-choke, and shuntresistors for currentprotection.
  Also some parts of the low voltage circuit.

  I am building the station in 'blocks'
  The pictures taken show the powerstage with 4 times IRFP450.
  Also visible is the antennarelay as well as a part of the driver unit.
  Maybe David may recognize the 3C90 core, hi

  73

  Dick, PA4VHF

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>HI Dick...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Perhaps what idea for =
you...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_galle=
ry/converters/QRO">http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_20=
05/lf_gallery/converters/QRO</A>=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_eq._d=
ecember_2005.jpg">http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_200=
5/lf_eq._december_2005.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When from LX...?&nbsp;..in autumn this =
year=20
?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 , Joze S52AB&nbsp;, =
JN75OU</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/">http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/</A=
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 26, 2006 =
11:03=20
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: pictures of my new =
136kHz=20
  stn </DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hello all,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks to the help of Jelmer, from =
the PA6Z=20
  contestgroup with his camera I'm able to show some</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>pictures of the new 136kHz station =
I'm building=20
  at the moment.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I hope to have finished all stuff on =
time to take=20
  it to LX later this year.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>You can find the pictures, as well as =
regular=20
  updates (pictures as well as text) on</FONT><FONT face=3DArial=20
  size=3D2></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://www.pa6z.nl/PROJECTS/136KHz_trx/136khz_trx.html">http://ww=
w.pa6z.nl/PROJECTS/136KHz_trx/136khz_trx.html</A></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>My plan is to put all components that =
might get=20
  warm into a kind of 'chimney'.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>These are the output transformer, =
zobel network,=20
  output filter, as well as</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>the RF-choke, and shuntresistors for=20
  currentprotection.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also some parts of the low voltage=20
  circuit.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I am building the station in=20
'blocks'</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The pictures taken show the =
powerstage with 4=20
  times IRFP450.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Also visible is the antennarelay as =
well as a=20
  part of the driver unit.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Maybe David may recognize the 3C90 =
core,=20
  hi</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dick,=20
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Martinez" <peter.martinez@btinternet.com>
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> From G3PLX:
>
> Dave asks how close do you have to be to see anything that isn't 
> exactly on frequency. The answer is 'it depends'.
snip -----------

That sums it up very well Peter, thanks for the reply.
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Hi Victor, Ah good nice to see your posts, I am glad it was that easy.
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: Victor van kooten <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>
To: blacksheep <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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Subject: LF: test lf


> Hello all,
>
> thanks for your input onto my problem with uploading messages to
> blacksheep,I had for about 60 KB attached to my message and this just
won't
> be accepted.I will make my messages smaller than 35 KB as suggested.Hope
to
> hear from you and maby we have a QSO on 136 KHz,
>
> greetings,
> Victor
> PA3FNY
>
>



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Across the pond copied NA and XGJ. NA was visible about 22:30-07:00.
Local sunrise was 04:36.

Still good daytime copy of EA4BVZ. During local dawn the signal faded
a bit. But now, 10:00 UTC good, stable signal level.

Yesterday evening there was a lot of activity on 137.7 in QRSS. Most
distant station was UA4WPF in QRSS10.

Captures of UA4WPF, EA4BVZ, VO1NA and WD2XGJ can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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Hello Manolo and the group,

Also very nice signal here in locator JO42FD. Immediately saw the signal 
on a QRSS3 screen with solid "o" copy (if it was QRSS3, of course it's 
QRSS30 at the moment).

Is there any chance for a 2-way QSO in the faster mode this weekend ?
Been about a year ago since last EA station went into DF0WD/DK4U's LF 
logbook ;-)

Best regards,
  Wolf DL4YHF (currently at DK4U, operating "home" PC via remote control 
again)


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Dear Juan, Manolo and LF,

Good signals from EA4BVZ from 0000z, fading out at about 0500z (local dawn)
See attached screenshot.
My antenna is a 1,3 metre square tuned loop at ground level.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM (30km west of London)







  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Joan Morros
  Sent: 07 April 2006 11:56
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  Hi.

  Manolo, EA4BVZ , QSY this weekend.
  New frecuency: 137.250 (+/- 0 .2) kHz
  Gracias por el aviso Uwe.

  Juan, EA3FXF

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Unexpected good signal level of VO1NA tonight.
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So what about the power absorbed when you receive the signal normally?
Surely, for the law to be enforceable, there must be a minimum power below
which you are deemed to 'not be stealing power'.  Or is recption only
permitted by lossless miniwhip type antennaa that respond only to the E
field, and connect to infinite input impedance preamps ;-)

Andy  G4JNT
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> > How about a big antenna with a rectifier/regulator ran off the
> > antenna for some free shack power??
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> And end up behind bars ?
> At least in Belgium we have (had ?) a law that forbids "stealing"
> energy from nearby transmistters.
> I don't know it is still in force but it was at the time I took the
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On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Jay Rusgrove wrote:

> ...
> They're key down at the moment. The short .wav file below shows just how 
> strong they are here.
> www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5.wav
> ...

   Very impressive. I shall try to listen it from here. In attachment, the 
18.5 kHz carrier, and just below, for comparison purpose the russian RDL 
on 18.1 kHz, that was previously the stronger signal here in this area 
between 10 and 20 kHz.

   Best 73 Jay, Gary, and all !

   F5YG
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hi,

corresponce indicated DH038 qth.

that station has of 8 abt 100 kW tx/amplifiers in 2 groups of 4, each 
tx feeding one antenna. antennas phased together, as a rule only 7 of 
the 8 systems are operative (one is under maintenance).

a friend of mine in the SAQ town of varberg received 18.5 as well as 
23.4, apparently with the same or similar metod of modulation, both 
vy strong sigs.

i think that the station is running the two groups separately and on 
different frequencies; no need for more antennas.

73,

carl
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During the recent ZM2E testing I had a listen around after ZL sunrise. DCF39 
was strong audible copy as was a broadcast station on 153 kHz. I was 
surprised though to also hear a strong signal on 77.5 kHz which I assume 
from the format and frequency was DCF77. For interest the antenna in use was 
Roeloff's mini-whip.

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Would like to know more about your TX loop Dave.
What size, material (isolators??) and especially, how do feed it?

I'm asking this because search for a possible DX-pedition antenna.

73

Dick, PA4VHF



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Dave, LF,

Good "O" copy of GM3YXM tonight at 1811z Screenshot attached. This is my
first sighting of a GM on LF!

Dave, I can come up on 137,695 DFCW/QRSS tonight, if you want a signal to
look at ;-)

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Hartmut Wolff
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Attached a screenshot of GM3YXM.



73
Hartmut
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Thanks for info and answer, Dave.

Cheers

73, Joze S52AB  JN75OU

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G3WCB" <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 8:04 PM
Subject: LF: Re: CQ EA1PX [tuned loop]


> Hello Joze, LF,
>
> My loop is tuned and balanced with respect to ground. I use a push-pull
> preamplifier with two J310 fets, and two bipolar transistors to feed the
> coax cable back to the shack. The design was taken from G3LDO's book "The
> Low frequency experimenter's handbook" (fig 2.16 on page 30). The
schematic
> may also be available on the internet, somewhere.
>
> The RX is an ICOM IC-PR1000, which is quite a good RX but is useless at
137
> kHz without the pre-amp.
>
> 73 Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Joze Konda
> Sent: 13 April 2006 07:08
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Re: CQ EA1PX
>
>
> Hello Dave
>
> Is your tuned loop with or without preamplif. ?
>
> 73 , Joze S52AB ,  JN75OU
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave G3WCB" <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2006 1:05 AM
> Subject: LF: CQ EA1PX
>
>
> > Hello, Jose, LF,
> >
> > This signal captured from you this evening (see screenshot) I'm using a
> 1,3m
> > tuned loop "beaming" towards the east, so you are in the null of the
> > antenna. Even so, you were "M" to "O" copy. No sign of Reino tonight.
> >
> > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Jose Manuel
> > Sent: 12 April 2006 23:33
> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > Subject: Re: LF: CQ EA1PX
> >
> >
> > Hi Hartmut and all
> >
> > Thanks for very nice report, I.m very glad, because I�ve just had QSO
with
> > Reino, OH1TN,  who is 2896 km away!
> >
> > 73 de Jos�, EA1PX, IN53ti
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Hartmut Wolff" <wolff.h@t-online.de>
> > To: "Jose Manuel" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:35 PM
> > Subject: Re: LF: CQ EA1PX
> >
> >
> > > Jos�,
> > > great signal here in Germany. See attachment.
> > >
> > > 73
> > > Hartmut
> > > www.h-wolff.de
> > > Locator: JO52hp
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> Hi all
> > >
> > >> I�m calling on 137705-QRSS3, any report is welcome.
> > >
> > >> 73 de Jos�, EA1PX, IN53ti
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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I started to take a look around 10:20z or so with QRSS90 and got this brief 
signal capture and then nothing after that..
de Lloyd W3NF FM19MH 

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Hallo victor

Ik heb het gelezen hi
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Hi Guys,

Finally seeing some signals again...hardly DX, but much better
than the blank screens of the last few days, with XGJ and XES
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73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
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Dear LF enthusiasts,
the good propagation did not play in our teams and mr. Marphy
did not sleep ;-((

Apr 1 - beacon QRSS120 137.7885 "RURURUR..." 1640-19z
No reports from far part
I had pleasant 2way QSOs: RX9BS ( abt .773 - QRSS3/3 O/O 16z),
new one EW6GB (O/O, audible S5! and #20 country in my log) and
RA9CUA (QRSS 3/10 O/O abt .698 2230z)
Saw O in 3s "CQ UA4WPF" in QRSS30 at abt 21z on abt .762 - sri no peplay ;-(

Apr 2 - beacon DFCW60 137.7883/7887 "R6L R6L R6L" 1540-19z
Only 1 report (from far part) - ZL2CA - "one R at about T copy and
several other fragments"

Apr 4-5 - nil signals form ZM2E and not reports from ZL
QRN-QRM's levels was very very low - on TS-850 + 20dB pre-ampl + 3.5km beverage
was abt S 2-3 on S-meter ! The QRN-QRM level especially low was Apr 5,
though in the same time (abt 1830z) ZL3IX was on 160m confidently (?)
Apr 4 after 19z saw "CQ DL2HRE K" in QRSS10 "M" on abt 137.756
Used 15 min periods of TX/RX in 120s mode
Unexpectedly I had problems with the computer on TX and unsufficient stability VFO
Last 3 periods Apr 5 I used QRSS120 in dash-dot ratio=2

TNX all for reports and efforts!

73! Ed RU6LA http://136.73.ru



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Hi Jose Well done that would have been a "overland" record just a few years
ago. It is quite impressive with your limited antenna facilities.

Best Wishes de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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Hi Hartmut and all

Thanks for very nice report, I.m very glad, because I�ve just had QSO with
Reino, OH1TN,  who is 2896 km away!

73 de Jos�, EA1PX, IN53ti



----- Original Message -----
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> Jos�,
> great signal here in Germany. See attachment.
>
> 73
> Hartmut
> www.h-wolff.de
> Locator: JO52hp
>
>
>
>> Hi all
>
>> I�m calling on 137705-QRSS3, any report is welcome.
>
>> 73 de Jos�, EA1PX, IN53ti





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Hello, Jose, LF,

This signal captured from you this evening (see screenshot) I'm using a 1,3m
tuned loop "beaming" towards the east, so you are in the null of the
antenna. Even so, you were "M" to "O" copy. No sign of Reino tonight.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Hi Hartmut and all

Thanks for very nice report, I.m very glad, because I�ve just had QSO with
Reino, OH1TN,  who is 2896 km away!

73 de Jos�, EA1PX, IN53ti



----- Original Message -----
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> Jos�,
> great signal here in Germany. See attachment.
>
> 73
> Hartmut
> www.h-wolff.de
> Locator: JO52hp
>
>
>
>> Hi all
>
>> I�m calling on 137705-QRSS3, any report is welcome.
>
>> 73 de Jos�, EA1PX, IN53ti



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Hi Hartmut and all

Thanks for very nice report, I.m very glad, because I=B4ve just had QSO w=
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Reino, OH1TN,  who is 2896 km away!

73 de Jos=E9, EA1PX, IN53ti



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> Jos=E9,
> great signal here in Germany. See attachment.
>
> 73
> Hartmut
> www.h-wolff.de
> Locator: JO52hp
>
>
>
>> Hi all
>
>> I=B4m calling on 137705-QRSS3, any report is welcome.
>
>> 73 de Jos=E9, EA1PX, IN53ti=20



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Jos�,
great signal here in Germany. See attachment.

73
Hartmut
www.h-wolff.de
Locator: JO52hp



> Hi all

> I�m calling on 137705-QRSS3, any report is welcome.

> 73 de Jos�, EA1PX, IN53ti
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Hi all on the list !

The last night good copy of :

WD2XKO in QRSS10 > 21:30 to 22:30

the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht





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EA4BVZ still plugging away in beacon mode. A strong signal with me all the
time on my vertical antenna. Nothing seen on the E/W loop antenna which is
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Hi Joze,

Yes, that is OK.

73,

Gary.

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Joze Konda
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HI Gary,Dick and all...

Yes...not get separately picture...only all LF ph. gallery...

http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_gallery/Page2.ht
ml

Thanks to warn !

Cheers
and regards

73 , Joze S52AB

  ----- Original Message -----
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  Subject: LF: RE: Re: pictures of my new 136kHz stn


  Hi Joze,

  I could not get the links to work. Your link at the bottom is OK.

  Regards,

  Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

  Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

  -----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Joze Konda
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  HI Dick...

  Perhaps what idea for you...
  http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_gallery/conver
ters/QRO
  http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_eq._december_2
005.jpg

  When from LX...? ..in autumn this year ?
  Regards

  73 , Joze S52AB , JN75OU

  http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/

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size=3D2>Gary.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>HI Gary,Dick and all...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Yes...not get separately picture...only =
all LF ph.=20
gallery...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_galle=
ry/Page2.html">http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/l=
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks to warn !</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Cheers</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>and regards </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 , Joze S52AB</FONT></DIV>
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  <P><FONT size=3D2>Regards,<BR><BR>Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp<BR><BR>Web : =
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acksheep.org</A>=20
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Joze=20
  Konda<BR><B>Sent:</B> 27 April 2006 09:58<BR><B>To:</B> <A=20
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href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=
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  LF: Re: pictures of my new 136kHz stn <BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>HI Dick...</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Perhaps what idea for =
you...</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
  =
href=3D"http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_galle=
ry/converters/QRO">http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_20=
05/lf_gallery/converters/QRO</A>=20
  </FONT></DIV>
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  =
href=3D"http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_eq._d=
ecember_2005.jpg">http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_200=
5/lf_eq._december_2005.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
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Hello all,

I have been testing a mini-whip for a friend and left my PC running 
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Dear all,

I have put another incarnation of PA0RDT's mini-whip on the roof of 
SP5ZCC school building. It's only ca. 2-3m above the roof, ca. 15m above 
the ground, so I do not expect wonders, but who knows. It's been raining 
last Sunday, so I decided to leave it there and go back, I hope to 
elevate it ca.10m up when time and weather allow. In priniciple it 
works, though I remember the DCF39 signal to be stronger (against noise) 
when using the LF transmitter's Marconi antenna. It's of course strong 
anyway.

Pictures are saved since a few days at 
http://br198.internetdsl.tpnet.pl/~sp5zcc1/argo/?C=M;O=D , though the 
noise level is rather high last times, even the Chayka lines are not so 
clear, they appear clearly only during mornings. The MV-61 receiver has 
the VFO slightly unstable, thus since yesterday I turned on a marker at 
137.780 - it shows both the frequency drift as well as - indirectly - 
the noise floor (the AGC is on). The marker is from GF-62 signal 
generator, it's rather stable. I will leave the whole setup running 
during next few days, maybe just change the resolution for the weekend. 
Or maybe even try to be active as SP0TPAX again, but Easter is a family 
holiday in Poland, so it will rather be a limited activity...

BTW I would be grateful, if anybody could tell me whether it is at all 
possible to link the two units, Praecitronic MV-61 & GF-62. GF-62 has 
the 4-6MHz output, MV-61 has the ext. VFO input in the same frequency 
range, though linking these doesn't work. MV-61 is meant to be working 
with GF-61, not 62. This would make the frequency stability way better...

Happy Easter and 73! Marek SQ5BPM


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Is there a picture or description of the antenna online? I seen a 18.6kc =
signal last night that was in & out around 0800 UTC.

Mike
WE0H

  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Jay Rusgrove
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>=20
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  Signal here was so strong I was skeptical...

  RTTY and carrier - notice Argo signal level during carrier period!

   =
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  Wasn't convinced until I later received the quick brown fox ...

  =
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  and this with heavy static at 0230Z. Will check tomorrow morning when =
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  One heck of a signal!

  Jay, W1VD


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try:   geri@qru.de

He is currently in the States.......



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Hi Markus thanks for that, I forgotten that that was a DGPS frequency, I
must take a listen there sometime.
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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Hi Alan, Scott and LF,

this channel should be clear now: DCF 42, which used to send 1187.5 bd DGPS
above 122.5 kHz from Mainflingen, has shut down on January 2nd.

73 de Markus, DF6NM



-----Original Message-----
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Hi Scott I think the 122kHz station (cant remember the exact freq) is
continuous with weather faxes (or similar) according to my "mole" of a few
years back. He encouraged me to listen for it rather than CFH but there was
a Rugby station (or maybe it was one of the DCFxxs ) almost co-channel , so
it was impossible to dig out over here.
I am just beginning to see the whire band of CFh starting to appear on my
wideband Spectran screen. So its uup and it showing over the water.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
.
----- Original Message -----
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> Thanks Markus
>
> I was hearing CFH with the mark one ear last night come up and down in the
> noise.  Not a bad haul overland (~4500km)!  Funny I have the RX in
wideband
> mode and find the noise pops and such kinda relaxing when I heard the
> distinctive sound in the mud...
>
> NPG in Dixon is still off the air, however, the ~55.4KHz station which I
also
> believe is coming from Dixon is back on or atleast running more power as
it is
> distinct again...
>
> I wonder if I could copy the fax/rtty station near Halifax on 122ish as
well,
> it seems like its always on when I back east...
>
> 73 Scott
>
>
>
> Quoting MarkusVester@aol.com:
>
> > Scott,
> >
> > it was visible on my grabber last night, between 23 and 5 UT.
> >
> > 73 de Markus, DF6NM
> >
> > In einer eMail vom 25.04.2006 09:10:34 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit
schreibt
> > sthed475@telus.net:
> >
> > > I wonder if CFH is on today?
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>




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Hi Alan, Scott and LF,
=20
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73 de Markus, DF6NM
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-----Original Message-----
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Hi Scott I think the 122kHz station (cant remember the exact freq) is
continuous with weather faxes (or similar) according to my "mole" of a few
years back. He encouraged me to listen for it rather than CFH but there was
a Rugby station (or maybe it was one of the DCFxxs ) almost co-channel , so
it was impossible to dig out over here.
I am just beginning to see the whire band of CFh starting to appear on my
wideband Spectran screen. So its uup and it showing over the water.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Tilley, VE7TIL <sthed475@telus.net>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 25 April 2006 23:15
Subject: Re: LF: CFH on?


> Thanks Markus
>
> I was hearing CFH with the mark one ear last night come up and down in the
> noise.  Not a bad haul overland (~4500km)!  Funny I have the RX in
wideband
> mode and find the noise pops and such kinda relaxing when I heard the
> distinctive sound in the mud...
>
> NPG in Dixon is still off the air, however, the ~55.4KHz station which I
also
> believe is coming from Dixon is back on or atleast running more power as
it is
> distinct again...
>
> I wonder if I could copy the fax/rtty station near Halifax on 122ish as
well,
> it seems like its always on when I back east...
>
> 73 Scott
>
>
>
> Quoting MarkusVester@aol.com:
>
> > Scott,
> >
> > it was visible on my grabber last night, between 23 and 5 UT.
> >
> > 73 de Markus, DF6NM
> >
> > In einer eMail vom 25.04.2006 09:10:34 Westeurop=C3=A4ische Sommerzeit
schreibt
> > sthed475@telus.net:
> >
> > > I wonder if CFH is on today?
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>

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ct freq) is
continuous with weather faxes (or similar) according to my "mole" of a few
years back. He encouraged me to listen for it rather than CFH but there was
a Rugby station (or maybe it was one of the DCFxxs ) almost co-channel , so
it was impossible to dig out over here.
I am just beginning to see the whire band of CFh starting to appear on my
wideband Spectran screen. So its uup and it showing over the water.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
.
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Tilley, VE7TIL &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:sthed475%40telus.net">sthed=
475@telus.net</A>&gt;
To: &lt;<A href=3D"mailto:rsgb_lf_group%40blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blac=
ksheep.org</A>&gt;
Sent: 25 April 2006 23:15
Subject: Re: LF: CFH on?


&gt; Thanks Markus
&gt;
&gt; I was hearing CFH with the mark one ear last night come up and down in=20=
the
&gt; noise.  Not a bad haul overland (~4500km)!  Funny I have the RX in
wideband
&gt; mode and find the noise pops and such kinda relaxing when I heard the
&gt; distinctive sound in the mud...
&gt;
&gt; NPG in Dixon is still off the air, however, the ~55.4KHz station which=20=
I
also
&gt; believe is coming from Dixon is back on or atleast running more power a=
s
it is
&gt; distinct again...
&gt;
&gt; I wonder if I could copy the fax/rtty station near Halifax on 122ish as
well,
&gt; it seems like its always on when I back east...
&gt;
&gt; 73 Scott
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Quoting <A href=3D"mailto:MarkusVester%40aol.com">MarkusVester@aol.com<=
/A>:
&gt;
&gt; &gt; Scott,
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; it was visible on my grabber last night, between 23 and 5 UT.
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; 73 de Markus, DF6NM
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; In einer eMail vom 25.04.2006 09:10:34 Westeurop=C3=A4ische Sommer=
zeit
schreibt
&gt; &gt; <A href=3D"mailto:sthed475%40telus.net">sthed475@telus.net</A>:
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt; &gt; I wonder if CFH is on today?
&gt; &gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt; &gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;


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SeaTTY  ( http://www.dxsoft.com/ ) works pretty well for both FAX and RTTY...

CFH runs 75 baud / 450 Hz shift...for those that are interested in receiving wx for eastern Canada /
Atlantic.

Jay W1VD / WD2XNS

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" <k2ors@comcast.net>
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Cc: "Bill de Carle" <ve2iq@magma.ca>
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> Bill,
>
>     It's standard 120 lpm weatherfax, there are a number of programs out there that will allow you
to copy it using your PC and soundcard.
>
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
>
>  -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Bill de Carle <ve2iq@magma.ca>
> > It's sending a fax right now (0009z) - not sure what it'd take to display it.
> > Bill VE2IQ
> >
> > At 09:53 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote:
> > >Alan
> > >
> > >The 122 station the last time I listened to it sends both fax and standard
> > >RTTY with weather info...  Interestingly it also spends a considerable amount
> > >of time with just a single carrier being sent(idle tone...) Maybe someone
> > >could measure the frequency and find out?
> > >
> > >Scott
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Quoting Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>:
> > >
> > > > Hi Scott I think the 122kHz station (cant remember the exact freq) is
> > > > continuous with weather faxes (or similar) according to my "mole" of a few
> > > > years back. He encouraged me to listen for it rather than CFH but there was
> > > > a Rugby station (or maybe it was one of the DCFxxs ) almost co-channel , so
> > > > it was impossible to dig out over here.
> > > > I am just beginning to see the whire band of CFh starting to appear on my
> > > > wideband Spectran screen. So its uup and it showing over the water.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> > > > .
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Scott Tilley, VE7TIL <sthed475@telus.net>
> > > > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > > > Sent: 25 April 2006 23:15
> > > > Subject: Re: LF: CFH on?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks Markus
> > > > >
> > > > > I was hearing CFH with the mark one ear
> > > last night come up and down in the
> > > > > noise.  Not a bad haul overland (~4500km)!  Funny I have the RX in
> > > > wideband
> > > > > mode and find the noise pops and such kinda relaxing when I heard the
> > > > > distinctive sound in the mud...
> > > > >
> > > > > NPG in Dixon is still off the air, however, the ~55.4KHz station which I
> > > > also
> > > > > believe is coming from Dixon is back on or atleast running more power as
> > > > it is
> > > > > distinct again...
> > > > >
> > > > > I wonder if I could copy the fax/rtty station near Halifax on 122ish as
> > > > well,
> > > > > it seems like its always on when I back east...
> > > > >
> > > > > 73 Scott
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Quoting MarkusVester@aol.com:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Scott,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > it was visible on my grabber last night, between 23 and 5 UT.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In einer eMail vom 25.04.2006 09:10:34 Westeurop�ische Sommerzeit
> > > > schreibt
> > > > > > sthed475@telus.net:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I wonder if CFH is on today?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>
>



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Bill,

    It's standard 120 lpm weatherfax, there are a number of programs out there that will allow you to copy it using your PC and soundcard.


--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Bill de Carle <ve2iq@magma.ca>
> It's sending a fax right now (0009z) - not sure what it'd take to display it.
> Bill VE2IQ
> 
> At 09:53 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote:
> >Alan
> >
> >The 122 station the last time I listened to it sends both fax and standard
> >RTTY with weather info...  Interestingly it also spends a considerable amount
> >of time with just a single carrier being sent(idle tone...) Maybe someone
> >could measure the frequency and find out?
> >
> >Scott
> >
> >
> >
> >Quoting Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>:
> >
> > > Hi Scott I think the 122kHz station (cant remember the exact freq) is
> > > continuous with weather faxes (or similar) according to my "mole" of a few
> > > years back. He encouraged me to listen for it rather than CFH but there was
> > > a Rugby station (or maybe it was one of the DCFxxs ) almost co-channel , so
> > > it was impossible to dig out over here.
> > > I am just beginning to see the whire band of CFh starting to appear on my
> > > wideband Spectran screen. So its uup and it showing over the water.
> > >
> > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> > > .
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Scott Tilley, VE7TIL <sthed475@telus.net>
> > > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > > Sent: 25 April 2006 23:15
> > > Subject: Re: LF: CFH on?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Thanks Markus
> > > >
> > > > I was hearing CFH with the mark one ear 
> > last night come up and down in the
> > > > noise.  Not a bad haul overland (~4500km)!  Funny I have the RX in
> > > wideband
> > > > mode and find the noise pops and such kinda relaxing when I heard the
> > > > distinctive sound in the mud...
> > > >
> > > > NPG in Dixon is still off the air, however, the ~55.4KHz station which I
> > > also
> > > > believe is coming from Dixon is back on or atleast running more power as
> > > it is
> > > > distinct again...
> > > >
> > > > I wonder if I could copy the fax/rtty station near Halifax on 122ish as
> > > well,
> > > > it seems like its always on when I back east...
> > > >
> > > > 73 Scott
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Quoting MarkusVester@aol.com:
> > > >
> > > > > Scott,
> > > > >
> > > > > it was visible on my grabber last night, between 23 and 5 UT.
> > > > >
> > > > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM
> > > > >
> > > > > In einer eMail vom 25.04.2006 09:10:34 Westeurop�ische Sommerzeit
> > > schreibt
> > > > > sthed475@telus.net:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I wonder if CFH is on today?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> 
> 




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It's sending a fax right now (0009z) - not sure what it'd take to display=
 it.
Bill VE2IQ

At 09:53 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote:
>Alan
>
>The 122 station the last time I listened to it sends both fax and standard
>RTTY with weather info...  Interestingly it also spends a considerable=
 amount
>of time with just a single carrier being sent(idle tone...) Maybe someone
>could measure the frequency and find out?
>
>Scott
>
>
>
>Quoting Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>:
>
> > Hi Scott I think the 122kHz station (cant remember the exact freq) is
> > continuous with weather faxes (or similar) according to my "mole" of a=
 few
> > years back. He encouraged me to listen for it rather than CFH but there=
 was
> > a Rugby station (or maybe it was one of the DCFxxs ) almost co-channel ,=
 so
> > it was impossible to dig out over here.
> > I am just beginning to see the whire band of CFh starting to appear on=
 my
> > wideband Spectran screen. So its uup and it showing over the water.
> >
> > Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> > .
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Tilley, VE7TIL <sthed475@telus.net>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: 25 April 2006 23:15
> > Subject: Re: LF: CFH on?
> >
> >
> > > Thanks Markus
> > >
> > > I was hearing CFH with the mark one ear=20
> last night come up and down in the
> > > noise.  Not a bad haul overland (~4500km)!  Funny I have the RX in
> > wideband
> > > mode and find the noise pops and such kinda relaxing when I heard the
> > > distinctive sound in the mud...
> > >
> > > NPG in Dixon is still off the air, however, the ~55.4KHz station which=
 I
> > also
> > > believe is coming from Dixon is back on or atleast running more power=
 as
> > it is
> > > distinct again...
> > >
> > > I wonder if I could copy the fax/rtty station near Halifax on 122ish=
 as
> > well,
> > > it seems like its always on when I back east...
> > >
> > > 73 Scott
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting MarkusVester@aol.com:
> > >
> > > > Scott,
> > > >
> > > > it was visible on my grabber last night, between 23 and 5 UT.
> > > >
> > > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM
> > > >
> > > > In einer eMail vom 25.04.2006 09:10:34 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit
> > schreibt
> > > > sthed475@telus.net:
> > > >
> > > > > I wonder if CFH is on today?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >



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Interestingly Scott, CFH first showed at about 2200z. at that time the
darkness shadow was only at Mid Atlantic at D-layer altitude, so that could
have been one hop. Then that faded out and the signal came up again at about
2315z  getting much stronger, the shadow at ground level is approaching the
NS coast now (about 100km further east at 100km altitude....maybe 2 hop.

It could of course also be a mixture of daytime and nightime skywave, but
daytime levels are fairly heavily attenuated just before dusk.

Whatever its the old familiar pattern

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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> Alan
>
> The 122 station the last time I listened to it sends both fax and standard
> RTTY with weather info...  Interestingly it also spends a considerable
amount
> of time with just a single carrier being sent(idle tone...) Maybe someone
> could measure the frequency and find out?
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> Quoting Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>:
>
> > Hi Scott I think the 122kHz station (cant remember the exact freq) is
> > continuous with weather faxes (or similar) according to my "mole" of a
few
> > years back. He encouraged me to listen for it rather than CFH but there
was
> > a Rugby station (or maybe it was one of the DCFxxs ) almost co-channel ,
so
> > it was impossible to dig out over here.
> > I am just beginning to see the whire band of CFh starting to appear on
my
> > wideband Spectran screen. So its uup and it showing over the water.
> >
> > Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> > .
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Tilley, VE7TIL <sthed475@telus.net>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: 25 April 2006 23:15
> > Subject: Re: LF: CFH on?
> >
> >
> > > Thanks Markus
> > >
> > > I was hearing CFH with the mark one ear last night come up and down in
the
> > > noise.  Not a bad haul overland (~4500km)!  Funny I have the RX in
> > wideband
> > > mode and find the noise pops and such kinda relaxing when I heard the
> > > distinctive sound in the mud...
> > >
> > > NPG in Dixon is still off the air, however, the ~55.4KHz station which
I
> > also
> > > believe is coming from Dixon is back on or atleast running more power
as
> > it is
> > > distinct again...
> > >
> > > I wonder if I could copy the fax/rtty station near Halifax on 122ish
as
> > well,
> > > it seems like its always on when I back east...
> > >
> > > 73 Scott
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting MarkusVester@aol.com:
> > >
> > > > Scott,
> > > >
> > > > it was visible on my grabber last night, between 23 and 5 UT.
> > > >
> > > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM
> > > >
> > > > In einer eMail vom 25.04.2006 09:10:34 Westeurop�ische Sommerzeit
> > schreibt
> > > > sthed475@telus.net:
> > > >
> > > > > I wonder if CFH is on today?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>



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Scott, Your best contact would be Joe, I think,  he is fairly close. I seem
to remember it was 122.4 and there was a Euro station on 122.6.....But that
is from my distinctly volatile memory. Nope !!

 Ah got it Trond Jaconsen's list says " CFH Halifax NS 122.50 kHz 75Bd 50Hz
shift weather".  I was right Trond lists  DCF32 from Mainflingen on that
frequency too. I think this one is a utility station similar to DCF39 in
fact it may be one of the standbys. Mainly a carrier heard.

I hope that is of assistance.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: Scott Tilley, VE7TIL <sthed475@telus.net>
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> Alan
>
> The 122 station the last time I listened to it sends both fax and standard
> RTTY with weather info...  Interestingly it also spends a considerable
amount
> of time with just a single carrier being sent(idle tone...) Maybe someone
> could measure the frequency and find out?
>
> Scott
>
>
>
> Quoting Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>:
>
> > Hi Scott I think the 122kHz station (cant remember the exact freq) is
> > continuous with weather faxes (or similar) according to my "mole" of a
few
> > years back. He encouraged me to listen for it rather than CFH but there
was
> > a Rugby station (or maybe it was one of the DCFxxs ) almost co-channel ,
so
> > it was impossible to dig out over here.
> > I am just beginning to see the whire band of CFh starting to appear on
my
> > wideband Spectran screen. So its uup and it showing over the water.
> >
> > Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> > .
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Scott Tilley, VE7TIL <sthed475@telus.net>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: 25 April 2006 23:15
> > Subject: Re: LF: CFH on?
> >
> >
> > > Thanks Markus
> > >
> > > I was hearing CFH with the mark one ear last night come up and down in
the
> > > noise.  Not a bad haul overland (~4500km)!  Funny I have the RX in
> > wideband
> > > mode and find the noise pops and such kinda relaxing when I heard the
> > > distinctive sound in the mud...
> > >
> > > NPG in Dixon is still off the air, however, the ~55.4KHz station which
I
> > also
> > > believe is coming from Dixon is back on or atleast running more power
as
> > it is
> > > distinct again...
> > >
> > > I wonder if I could copy the fax/rtty station near Halifax on 122ish
as
> > well,
> > > it seems like its always on when I back east...
> > >
> > > 73 Scott
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Quoting MarkusVester@aol.com:
> > >
> > > > Scott,
> > > >
> > > > it was visible on my grabber last night, between 23 and 5 UT.
> > > >
> > > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM
> > > >
> > > > In einer eMail vom 25.04.2006 09:10:34 Westeurop�ische Sommerzeit
> > schreibt
> > > > sthed475@telus.net:
> > > >
> > > > > I wonder if CFH is on today?
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>



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Alan

The 122 station the last time I listened to it sends both fax and standard 
RTTY with weather info...  Interestingly it also spends a considerable amount 
of time with just a single carrier being sent(idle tone...) Maybe someone 
could measure the frequency and find out?

Scott



Quoting Alan Melia <alan.melia@btinternet.com>:

> Hi Scott I think the 122kHz station (cant remember the exact freq) is
> continuous with weather faxes (or similar) according to my "mole" of a few
> years back. He encouraged me to listen for it rather than CFH but there was
> a Rugby station (or maybe it was one of the DCFxxs ) almost co-channel , so
> it was impossible to dig out over here.
> I am just beginning to see the whire band of CFh starting to appear on my
> wideband Spectran screen. So its uup and it showing over the water.
> 
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott Tilley, VE7TIL <sthed475@telus.net>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: 25 April 2006 23:15
> Subject: Re: LF: CFH on?
> 
> 
> > Thanks Markus
> >
> > I was hearing CFH with the mark one ear last night come up and down in the
> > noise.  Not a bad haul overland (~4500km)!  Funny I have the RX in
> wideband
> > mode and find the noise pops and such kinda relaxing when I heard the
> > distinctive sound in the mud...
> >
> > NPG in Dixon is still off the air, however, the ~55.4KHz station which I
> also
> > believe is coming from Dixon is back on or atleast running more power as
> it is
> > distinct again...
> >
> > I wonder if I could copy the fax/rtty station near Halifax on 122ish as
> well,
> > it seems like its always on when I back east...
> >
> > 73 Scott
> >
> >
> >
> > Quoting MarkusVester@aol.com:
> >
> > > Scott,
> > >
> > > it was visible on my grabber last night, between 23 and 5 UT.
> > >
> > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM
> > >
> > > In einer eMail vom 25.04.2006 09:10:34 Westeurop�ische Sommerzeit
> schreibt
> > > sthed475@telus.net:
> > >
> > > > I wonder if CFH is on today?
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 






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Hi Scott I think the 122kHz station (cant remember the exact freq) is
continuous with weather faxes (or similar) according to my "mole" of a few
years back. He encouraged me to listen for it rather than CFH but there was
a Rugby station (or maybe it was one of the DCFxxs ) almost co-channel , so
it was impossible to dig out over here.
I am just beginning to see the whire band of CFh starting to appear on my
wideband Spectran screen. So its uup and it showing over the water.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
.
----- Original Message -----
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> Thanks Markus
>
> I was hearing CFH with the mark one ear last night come up and down in the
> noise.  Not a bad haul overland (~4500km)!  Funny I have the RX in
wideband
> mode and find the noise pops and such kinda relaxing when I heard the
> distinctive sound in the mud...
>
> NPG in Dixon is still off the air, however, the ~55.4KHz station which I
also
> believe is coming from Dixon is back on or atleast running more power as
it is
> distinct again...
>
> I wonder if I could copy the fax/rtty station near Halifax on 122ish as
well,
> it seems like its always on when I back east...
>
> 73 Scott
>
>
>
> Quoting MarkusVester@aol.com:
>
> > Scott,
> >
> > it was visible on my grabber last night, between 23 and 5 UT.
> >
> > 73 de Markus, DF6NM
> >
> > In einer eMail vom 25.04.2006 09:10:34 Westeurop�ische Sommerzeit
schreibt
> > sthed475@telus.net:
> >
> > > I wonder if CFH is on today?
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>



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Thanks Markus

I was hearing CFH with the mark one ear last night come up and down in the 
noise.  Not a bad haul overland (~4500km)!  Funny I have the RX in wideband 
mode and find the noise pops and such kinda relaxing when I heard the 
distinctive sound in the mud...

NPG in Dixon is still off the air, however, the ~55.4KHz station which I also 
believe is coming from Dixon is back on or atleast running more power as it is 
distinct again...

I wonder if I could copy the fax/rtty station near Halifax on 122ish as well, 
it seems like its always on when I back east...

73 Scott



Quoting MarkusVester@aol.com:

> Scott,
> 
> it was visible on my grabber last night, between 23 and 5 UT.
> 
> 73 de Markus, DF6NM
> 
> In einer eMail vom 25.04.2006 09:10:34 Westeurop�ische Sommerzeit schreibt 
> sthed475@telus.net: 
> 
> > I wonder if CFH is on today?
> > 
> 
> 






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Scott,

it was visible on my grabber last night, between 23 and 5 UT.

73 de Markus, DF6NM

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it was visible on my grabber last night, between 23 and 5 UT.<BR>
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I wonder if CFH is on today?

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Zitat von Wolf DL4YHF <dl4yhf@freenet.de>:

> Peter Martinez schrieb:
>
>>> From Peter G3PLX:
>>
>>
>> Now Soustons (SW France) has gone off also (0710z). Only Rugby and 
>> Sylt are still transmitting in the 6731 chain.  Sylt is also 
>> transmitting at the 7499 GRI so listeners in Germany will still hear 
>> that Sylt is 'galloping' at two different rates.
>>
>> 73
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Exactly. Clickety-clickety-click, clickety-clickety-click, .. here in 
> northwest DL .
>
> 73,
>  Wolf .
>
>

here in north Germany it is: brrrr, brrrr.
regards
Uwe/dj8wx



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Peter Martinez schrieb:

>> From Peter G3PLX:
>
>
> Now Soustons (SW France) has gone off also (0710z). Only Rugby and 
> Sylt are still transmitting in the 6731 chain.  Sylt is also 
> transmitting at the 7499 GRI so listeners in Germany will still hear 
> that Sylt is 'galloping' at two different rates.
>
> 73
> Peter
>
>
>
>
Exactly. Clickety-clickety-click, clickety-clickety-click, .. here in 
northwest DL .

73,
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I have just checked again and, and loran is down another 10 dB (very=
 roughly).  Still no galloping.

73
John

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On 12/04/2006 at 07:20 Peter Martinez wrote:

>>From Peter G3PLX:
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>Now Soustons (SW France) has gone off also (0710z). Only Rugby and Sylt
>are 
>still transmitting in the 6731 chain.  Sylt is also transmitting at the
>7499 
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>two 
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>73
>Peter







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>From Peter G3PLX:

Now Soustons (SW France) has gone off also (0710z). Only Rugby and Sylt are 
still transmitting in the 6731 chain.  Sylt is also transmitting at the 7499 
GRI so listeners in Germany will still hear that Sylt is 'galloping' at two 
different rates.

73
Peter



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Welcome back!  In your absence I've been looking for VO1NA, but only =
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>From Peter G3PLX:

My last posting, with the above subject, addressed to Scott, was sent to 
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My apologies for any inconvenience or embarressment.

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PhaseScope based on the 'Clicklock' algorithm by Peter Martinez, G3PLX 
is now available for download and testing by interested experimenters.

Download the archive here:
http://www3.telus.net/sthed/phasescope/

I have only tested it on a system running Windows XP.  If you are 
interested in a MAC or Linux build let me know as the API used and the 
coding allows this... An earlier Linux alpha version was tested 
successfully...

The package comes with detailed instructions.

Comments and bug reports encouraged.

73 Scott



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On Mon, 10 Apr 2006, John RABSON wrote:

> Alan,
>
> F5 plus twos are very old, like G? plus twos.
>
> G4OKW and G8DQX will be here from Thursday for about a week and we hope 
> to rig some wire.
>  ...

   Hello, Alan, John and all !

   Yes, the last F5 plus 2, F5ZZ, was issued I think in october 1987, and 
Mike F5ZZ/FR5FI, who reads the reflector, may confirm (I received mine 
september 2nd 1967, was 19 years old !).

   Best 73, and congrat. to F5VLF, a nice call !

   F5YG




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Alan,

F5 plus twos are very old, like G? plus twos.

G4OKW and G8DQX will be here from Thursday for about a week and we hope to=
 rig some wire.

73,
John

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On 09/04/2006 at 21:02 Alan Melia wrote:

>Hi John congratulations on the F5 call, as Peter says not quite  but they
>probably dont do F5 plus twos. Maybe the equivalent of an NoV for 9khz is
>called for ??
>
>Alan G3NYK
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: John RABSON <john.rabson@wanadoo.fr>
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>Sent: 09 April 2006 18:53
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>
>
>This is a French expression which seems to mean (approximately) "something
>you have a moral obligation to do because of your position".
>
>Having just received my French call sign, it therefore seems I must get on
>the air soon as possible on 136kHz.
>
>73,
>John Rabson F5VLF
>Mar=E9 le Bas
>58800 Cervon
>FRANCE
>47degN 4degE







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Hi John congratulations on the F5 call, as Peter says not quite  but they
probably dont do F5 plus twos. Maybe the equivalent of an NoV for 9khz is
called for ??

Alan G3NYK

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This is a French expression which seems to mean (approximately) "something
you have a moral obligation to do because of your position".

Having just received my French call sign, it therefore seems I must get on
the air soon as possible on 136kHz.

73,
John Rabson F5VLF
Mar� le Bas
58800 Cervon
FRANCE
47degN 4degE







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When I asked about choice of call sign I was told it was not possible to=
 reserve anything and the F5V series was used for people with a CEPT class=
 one licence who were not French nationals. 

I don't think there is a French amateur allocation below 30kHz.

73
John F5VLF

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On 09/04/2006 at 18:07 Peter Martinez wrote:

>>From G3PLX:
>
>John:  Surely with a callsign like that you should be getting on the air 
>well below 136kHz, to be precise below 30kHz?
>
>73
>Peter
>
>>
>>Having just received my French call sign, it therefore seems I must get
>on 
>>the air soon as possible on 136kHz.
>>
>>73,
>>John Rabson F5VLF
>>







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>From G3PLX:

John:  Surely with a callsign like that you should be getting on the air 
well below 136kHz, to be precise below 30kHz?

73
Peter

>
>Having just received my French call sign, it therefore seems I must get on 
>the air soon as possible on 136kHz.
>
>73,
>John Rabson F5VLF
> 



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Hi all,

ZM2E received nil suggestion of signals from either VA7LF or R6L last night.
QRN was higher than average.  Will try again tonight, same tx/rx
frequencies.

73, Bob ZL2CA




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Hello the list,
        Does anyone know what happened to the Aerthgroup board? I believe that it changed URLs but I don't have the new information.
I'm interested in the John Taylor G0AKN earth current and vlf information.

  Also, I believe that Litz wire was being offered for sale on that board? 

 Any information on the board, earth current or the Litz is appreciated.


--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm


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VY1JA in Whitehorse has sent nice screen captures of ZM2E's signal into
Whitehorse. His period of reception appears to parallel ours, in the hour
just before dawn.

Steve / VE7SL



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hi to all,

since a few days i have a wandel & goltermann SPM-3 in good condition.
it works very well with the mini whip from pa0rdt - i`m surprice.

can anyone help for information , manual, schematic or so?

73 michael dk5na


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==>MANASSAS BPL SYSTEM STILL INTERFERING DESPITE CLAIMS TO THE CONTRARY

Interference from the Manassas, Virginia, BPL system persists on ham radio
frequencies, radio amateurs there say. Their reports fly in the face of an
April 7 news release from system operator COMTek that a recent engineering
survey found "no interference unique to BPL" in the amateur bands. On April
6, COMTek filed a report
<http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/files/COMTek.pdf> with the FCC in
response to an earlier interference complaint from Dwight Agnew, AI4II.
COMTek said it does not believe the Manassas BPL system caused the
interference Agnew and other Manassas ham radio operators have heard. Agnew
told the ARRL this week that the BPL interference continues.

"Yes, it's still there," Agnew said. "Some days it will blow your ears off,
other days not," he explained. "It varies. That's what's so aggravating
about it."

Another Manassas amateur, George Tarnovsky, K4GVT, who's also complained to
the FCC of BPL interference, echoed Agnew's report. He told the ARRL the BPL
signal still can be heard along "miles of road" on 40 meters as well as 20,
17 and 15 meters. "It's everywhere," Tarnovsky said. He points out the
interference level varies based on how heavily the system's approximately
900 customers are using the system.

In its April 6 filing with the FCC, COMTek--which operates the BPL system
for the city--said it takes interference complaints seriously and is
conducting "an ongoing investigation" to determine whether the "alleged
interference" is coming from its equipment. The Manassas system uses
Main.net equipment on frequencies between 4 MHz and 30 MHz, according to the
BPL database.

On March 7, FCC Spectrum Enforcement Division Chief Joseph P. Casey
requested the city and COMTek to follow up on Agnew's January 19 complaint
citing harmful BPL interference along Virginia Business Route 234. The
Commission told the city to test its system to be sure it complies with FCC
Part 15 rules and to "resolve any continuing harmful interference."

COMTek's FCC filing included a test report by Product Safety Engineering Inc
of Dade City, Florida, outlining BPL system measurements made on 40 meters
at one location on Route 234. Product Safety Engineering tempered its
report, however, by saying its measurements "were not intended to qualify
the system or BPL equipment with respect to compliance with the FCC rules."
They were intended to "assist the client in gaining an understanding of the
interference potential" of the BPL equipment at "a specific location," the
engineering firm said. 

Conceding that the engineering firm's report was interim and "not fully
compliant with the FCC's new measurement guidelines," COMTek told the FCC it
would supply a complete survey by April 14.

The ARRL already has called on the FCC to shut down the Manassas system
until it complies with FCC Part 15 rules. ARRL CEO David Sumner, K1ZZ, says
COMTek's April 6 FCC filing failed to provide what Casey had requested last
month. That included making measurements at multiple locations Agnew
described in his January complaint. The engineering report also gives no
indication that the tests were performed during peak system usage hours, as
the FCC had required.

"No explanation was provided as to why COMTek was unable to comply with the
FCC requirement to resolve the interference complaint and to report within
30 days," Sumner said. "Yet on April 7, COMTek issued a news release that
claimed 'rigorous FCC-mandated testing' had been completed. In fact, the
testing completed as of that date failed to comply with FCC requirements, as
acknowledged by COMTek itself."

Sumner said "the test results are meaningless" as a measure of the radio
interference emanating from the Manassas BPL system. "Using the test
equipment described in the test report to check for radio interference is
like using an oven thermometer to check for a fever."

Sumner reiterated the League's request that the FCC order the Manassas BPL
system disabled "until its operation is able to comply fully with the FCC
rules and instructions."

ARRL Laboratory Manager Ed Hare, W1RFI, charged COMTek with "trying to fix
interference problems with press releases." ARRL's technical analysis of the
testing indicates COMTek cannot show that it's able to meet FCC-required
emission limits, Hare said, and doesn't even demonstrate that its system is
not causing harmful interference.

Hare said BPL manufacturers and providers whose technology can operate
compatibly with Amateur Radio have been working closely with the ARRL and
local amateurs. "Those that cannot are taking preliminary test results and
turning them into 'everything-is-wonderful now' news releases," he said.
"From a technical point of view, that moves us further from solutions, not
toward them."




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Hi All at LF,

A Happy Easter break to everone.

And the DK4U Easter Eggs look good enough to eat.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor


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Hi Guys,

Nothing seen of VA7LF last night.  Odd, seeing as their signal
had been coming in so well previous nights.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
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For anyone interested in making GPS coherent transmissions (for use with 
G3PLX/VE7TIL/ZL2AFP Clicklock coherent software), the ZL1BPU LF Exciter now 
has the capability.

The new Version D6b firmware provides two new modes:

    - a fixed phase GPS locked mode (phase adjustable in 256 steps)
    - an BPSK mode that switches between two arbitrary phases about 180� 
apart at a predetermined rate

Synchronism is achieved with the leading edge of a GPS 1pps pulse, and can 
be programmed to reset (or swap phase) every n seconds where n is 1 to 
65536. (Best to keep n < 10 though). The GPS locked fixed phase mode can 
have the phase changes remotely (by PC for example) and the existing EXC.EXE 
program can be used to transmit phase encoded QRSS or ASK Morse.

The new code requires some simple hardware changes to replace the dot clock 
output with GPS 1pps. The new code and hardware also has the following new 
features:

    - 32-bit synthesis for 0.3 milliHz resolution
    - E/P mode transmitter control, where a separate 3-bit D-A converter 
controls the transmitter power envelope, also keying the transmitter
    - Eight adjustable and remote or beacon script controlled power levels
    - 'Castle' mode - a new differential FSK QRSS mode which is 20% more 
efficient and more readable than DFSKCW

The new version is described on my web site (assuming QSL.NET haven't done 
another 'restore' of old data!). See 
http://www.qsl.net/zl1bpu/MICRO/EXCITER/Index.htm . Look down at the bottom 
of the page.

I use this Exciter to drive a 1kW Southern Avionics DGPS transmitter on 136 
and 181kHz. Free upgrades of the firmware are available to all existing 
users.

73,
Murray ZL1BPU



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Hi Joze,

I could not get the links to work. Your link at the bottom is OK.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Joze Konda
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HI Dick...

Perhaps what idea for you...
http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_gallery/converte
rs/QRO
http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_eq._december_200
5.jpg

When from LX...? ..in autumn this year ?
Regards

73 , Joze S52AB , JN75OU

http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/

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size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20
owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Joze=20
Konda<BR><B>Sent:</B> 27 April 2006 09:58<BR><B>To:</B>=20
rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> LF: Re: pictures of my =
new=20
136kHz stn <BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>HI Dick...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Perhaps what idea for =
you...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_galle=
ry/converters/QRO">http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_20=
05/lf_gallery/converters/QRO</A>=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_2005/lf_eq._d=
ecember_2005.jpg">http://lea.hamradio.si/~s52ab/datoteke/spl_november_200=
5/lf_eq._december_2005.jpg</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>When from LX...?&nbsp;..in autumn this =
year=20
?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 , Joze S52AB&nbsp;, =
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Dear Peter, LF Group,

Current conducted mains noise EMC standards don't extend below 150kHz
anyway...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

...Maybe soon they will just declare that=20
the radio spectrum stops at 150kHz. Think of the savings that could be =
made=20
world-wide - no more need for mains filters on switchmode power =
supplies!

73
Peter
=20






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Hi All,

Just running an extra SpecLab screen at qrss03 & EA4BVZ is just weakly
visible here in NW UK.

73

Gary.

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Hi All,

EA4BVZ signal still strong here in north west UK at IO83qp. Captured at
1210z.

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Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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John:

Yes, Lessay is off air as I type this, at 06:50. The other transmitters in 
the chain are blinking their first two pulses periodically, which is their 
way of saying that the chain is unusable.

73
Peter



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OK agn, Scott/Murray
I had another look at the phasescope pdf file and with an integration 
time of 300 or so seconds its obvious the effective b/w is waaay down. 
I guess I was just interested to see if there was any phase or 
amplitude tracking capability-obviously not!
 I'm nearly finished writing up a long and somewhat boring (well it is 
now, after about 100 pages!) report for work, so have only had half an 
eye on LF goings on in recent days, today being no exception.  So much 
for being inattentive!

If I get a chance today/tomorrow I'll get phasescope fired up and see 
what it can do.

Cheers
 Dave, ZL3FJ

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From: "Murray ZL1BPU" <zl1bpu@nzart.org.nz>
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: PhaseScope beta 1.0 release...


> Dave,
>
> Put it this way... I see a weak carrier at 20kHz that has varying 
> day/night strength, but fairly constant phase. I've no way of 
> verifying for sure where it's from, or whether it is keyed, as I can 
> detect it with no other method! The Clicklock technique does work 
> well with pulsed signals (e.g. 40kHz), but I've not yet had any 
> success on the Russian Alpha ststions, presumably because the phase 
> of each one I receive on the frequency is different. It works with 
> LORAN lines because each one has different sideband frequencies.
>
> As Scott says, the efffective bandwidth of the receiver is related 
> to the reciprocal of the integration period, so if integration time 
> = 1000, then bandwidth is something around 1mHz! The receiver needs 
> to be very stable, preferably but not necessarily accurate to within 
> 1Hz. The signal to be monitored needs to stay within say 10� over 
> the integration period, so for 10 sec integration, for example, 
> needs to be within 1�/sec. At 181.4kHz for example, that's around 
> 1.5e-8.
>
> I have successfully tracked my own OCXO reference and Rb reference, 
> but the TCXO in the Exciter isn't good enough without the GPS lock 
> option, when it becomes virtually perfect, with perhaps a little 
> short-term (< 1 sec) phase ripple.
>
> Does this help? What did you have in mind?
>
> 73,
> Murray ZL1BPU
>
>
>
>
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Dave,

Put it this way... I see a weak carrier at 20kHz that has varying day/night 
strength, but fairly constant phase. I've no way of verifying for sure where 
it's from, or whether it is keyed, as I can detect it with no other method! 
The Clicklock technique does work well with pulsed signals (e.g. 40kHz), but 
I've not yet had any success on the Russian Alpha ststions, presumably 
because the phase of each one I receive on the frequency is different. It 
works with LORAN lines because each one has different sideband frequencies.

As Scott says, the efffective bandwidth of the receiver is related to the 
reciprocal of the integration period, so if integration time = 1000, then 
bandwidth is something around 1mHz! The receiver needs to be very stable, 
preferably but not necessarily accurate to within 1Hz. The signal to be 
monitored needs to stay within say 10� over the integration period, so for 
10 sec integration, for example, needs to be within 1�/sec. At 181.4kHz for 
example, that's around 1.5e-8.

I have successfully tracked my own OCXO reference and Rb reference, but the 
TCXO in the Exciter isn't good enough without the GPS lock option, when it 
becomes virtually perfect, with perhaps a little short-term (< 1 sec) phase 
ripple.

Does this help? What did you have in mind?

73,
Murray ZL1BPU





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Scott, Murray
 Fine. Tks for replies.
 I'm not concerned about the RX stability contribution-that's under 
control (or should be!) But for non-GPS  disciplined TXs I wondered 
just how good they would have to be to be able to be 'observed'-as in 
how much latitude there was for the transmitted frequency to be offset 
from the nominal.  Seems like plus/minus 1 Hz may be the limit as per 
Scotts email, although as Murray points out, the phase info will 
probably be of no particular value for such sources, always assuming 
the source remains inside the above limits over the integration time.

Possible 'targets' noted, Murray- Is there a source from Antarctica on 
exactly 20 kHz? I had a look for the 19.1 kHz TX down there last year 
but as it was only on for 60 seconds at a time every few minutes I 
didnt 'copy' it. Not sure if it's still running-must check.

I'll get back to you re a test on 181.4 some time soon.

73 Dave, ZL3FJ




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> Dave
>
> Your RX needs to be stable to within a Hz if it is Clicklock can 
> deal with the variations... If the RX is say 2 Hz off calibration 
> then simply offset the integer value set in phase scope to deal with 
> this... RX stability to within a Hz (+- 0.5Hz) is the most important 
> feature and most LF receivers do this well.  Otherwise the Clicklock 
> alg. can deal with it...
>
> I'm sure Peter will go on and on about this shortly :-)
>
> Good luck.
> Scott
>
>
> Dave Brown wrote:
>> Hi Scott
>> Wondering just how close to nominal does the tx have to be 
>> maintained to stay 'in view' so to speak?
>> 73
>> Dave, ZL3FJ
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Tilley" 
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>>> PhaseScope based on the 'Clicklock' algorithm by Peter Martinez, 
>>> G3PLX is now available for download and testing by interested 
>>> experimenters.
>>>
>>> Download the archive here:
>>> http://www3.telus.net/sthed/phasescope/
>>>
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>>> the coding allows this... An earlier Linux alpha version was 
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>>>
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Dave

After rereading your question I think I missed the point...

The TX needs to be GPS stablized.  If it isn't the readout from the 
clicklock alg. will be meaningless at best and nothing at worst.  
Consider the BW of the signal if we're integrating over 300 seconds!  
That's +/- a couple of mHz, so not alot of room for error.  Thankfully, 
GPSs and DDS setups make this easy to deal with.    It's like seeing the 
world through a powerful telescope.  If you're not setup correctly or 
the signal you're looking for is wandering around it will be next to 
impossible to find and make measurements on.

Scott


Scott Tilley wrote:
> Dave
>
> Your RX needs to be stable to within a Hz if it is Clicklock can deal 
> with the variations... If the RX is say 2 Hz off calibration then 
> simply offset the integer value set in phase scope to deal with 
> this... RX stability to within a Hz (+- 0.5Hz) is the most important 
> feature and most LF receivers do this well.  Otherwise the Clicklock 
> alg. can deal with it...
>
> I'm sure Peter will go on and on about this shortly :-)
>
> Good luck.
> Scott
>
>
> Dave Brown wrote:
>> Hi Scott
>> Wondering just how close to nominal does the tx have to be maintained 
>> to stay 'in view' so to speak?
>> 73
>> Dave, ZL3FJ
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Tilley" <sthed475@telus.net>
>> To: "LWCA LF Reflector" <lowfer@lwca.org>; 
>> <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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>>> PhaseScope based on the 'Clicklock' algorithm by Peter Martinez, 
>>> G3PLX is now available for download and testing by interested 
>>> experimenters.
>>>
>>> Download the archive here:
>>> http://www3.telus.net/sthed/phasescope/
>>>
>>> I have only tested it on a system running Windows XP.  If you are 
>>> interested in a MAC or Linux build let me know as the API used and 
>>> the coding allows this... An earlier Linux alpha version was tested 
>>> successfully...
>>>
>>> The package comes with detailed instructions.
>>>
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>>>
>>> 73 Scott
>>>
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Dave

Your RX needs to be stable to within a Hz if it is Clicklock can deal 
with the variations... If the RX is say 2 Hz off calibration then simply 
offset the integer value set in phase scope to deal with this... RX 
stability to within a Hz (+- 0.5Hz) is the most important feature and 
most LF receivers do this well.  Otherwise the Clicklock alg. can deal 
with it...

I'm sure Peter will go on and on about this shortly :-)

Good luck.
Scott


Dave Brown wrote:
> Hi Scott
> Wondering just how close to nominal does the tx have to be maintained 
> to stay 'in view' so to speak?
> 73
> Dave, ZL3FJ
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Tilley" <sthed475@telus.net>
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> Subject: LF: PhaseScope beta 1.0 release...
>
>
>> PhaseScope based on the 'Clicklock' algorithm by Peter Martinez, 
>> G3PLX is now available for download and testing by interested 
>> experimenters.
>>
>> Download the archive here:
>> http://www3.telus.net/sthed/phasescope/
>>
>> I have only tested it on a system running Windows XP.  If you are 
>> interested in a MAC or Linux build let me know as the API used and 
>> the coding allows this... An earlier Linux alpha version was tested 
>> successfully...
>>
>> The package comes with detailed instructions.
>>
>> Comments and bug reports encouraged.
>>
>> 73 Scott
>>
>>
>>
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Hi Scott
 Wondering just how close to nominal does the tx have to be maintained 
to stay 'in view' so to speak?
73
 Dave, ZL3FJ

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> PhaseScope based on the 'Clicklock' algorithm by Peter Martinez, 
> G3PLX is now available for download and testing by interested 
> experimenters.
>
> Download the archive here:
> http://www3.telus.net/sthed/phasescope/
>
> I have only tested it on a system running Windows XP.  If you are 
> interested in a MAC or Linux build let me know as the API used and 
> the coding allows this... An earlier Linux alpha version was tested 
> successfully...
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> The package comes with detailed instructions.
>
> Comments and bug reports encouraged.
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> 73 Scott
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I forgot to mention in my instructions that the audio device setup stuff 
is not fully implemented.  If you try and use anything other then the 
default the software will likely not function as desired.

This may cause those with multiple sound cards issues.  However, on the 
various test systems here it hasn't been an issue if left alone.

Scott







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Scott:

Further to my last re the PhaseScope instructions, I think the instructions 
relating to the PPS polarity might be faulty. If the PPS is inverted by the 
soundcard, the program will think the negative-going edge is the one it 
should lock to, and there will be no way to tell that it's wrong.  In other 
words, regardless of which polarity you select, the displayed active edge 
will always appear right. What will change, if your PPS is very short, is 
that in the correct case it will have the inactive edge trailing it, and if 
the polarity is wrong the inactive edge (i.e. the REAL 1-sec event) will 
precede the edge to which the program has locked.

If the user knows that his PPS is short (i.e. he can see both edges on the 
display), there IS therefore a way to describe to him how to recognise which 
is the correct polarity for his soundcard. If the users PPS is not short, 
for example 50:50 like mine, there is no way to resolve the problem by 
looking at the screen. The ONLY way to be sure is to see if the program 
responds to the detected edge at the 1-second time mark, identifying this by 
some means external to the program itself. This would have to involve the 
display blinking (or some similar event like a pip of sound) as it processed 
the detected edge, and the user verifying that this occured exactly on a utc 
mark, either by watching the PPS waveform itself (on a scope or meter with 
known polarity, not the unknown soundcard in question!), or by audible 
comparison with a WWV pip.

I don't think you can ignore this and tell the user that it doesn't matter 
which edge he uses. If a given GPS specifies that the positive-going edge is 
on the utc mark, we cannot assume anything about the stability of the 
negative-going edge at all.

73
Peter



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>From G3PLX:

Just a couple of words about the PhaseScope program that Scott VE7TIL has 
written, and the ClickLock technique at the heart of it.  Some of this 
repeats earlier postings, but I thought it might be worth summarising it 
again.

The Clicklock technique stems from my observation that if I connect the 1Hz 
pulse output of my GPS to my LF receiver, I can hear a repeating pair of 
clicks at 1 sec intervals which are the high-order harmonics of the fast 
edges of this pulse. Not only does this give me a precise time reference 
which I can use if I want to do precision off-air timing measurements, but 
if I feed the audio clicks to a phase-comparator, I can see the phase 
rotating slowly with time. The rate of rotation is the 'beat-note'  between 
my receiver frequency and the nearest whole Hz. This 1Hz, coming from the 
GPS module, is effectively derived from the most accurate source on the 
planet (or at least orbitting the planet). Not only is it stable in 
frequency but it can be used as a universal reference for phase measurement 
on any frequency. If I use that to lock the software, I can then demodulate 
incoming signals in such a way that ALL the residual frequency and phase 
drift of the receiver is cancelled completely. If I tune-in a signal which 
is also locked to GPS, and the propagation is stable, there will be no 
frequency error and no phase drift. At all.  Ever.

Scott has implemented this so that the received signal is displayed on what 
we have christened an integrating vectorscope. This displays the signal 
phase and amplitude simultaneously on a circular display.  With no signal, a 
dot appears in the centre of the display. If there is some noise present, 
the dot moves randomly. With the program set to receive on a specific 
GPS-locked frequency (which you can enter to as many decimal places of a Hz 
as you like), if there is a signal on that frequency, the dot will start 
moving off centre in a particular direction, this direction depending on the 
RF phase of the signal relative to the GPS reference. The weaker is the 
signal, the slower will the dot move, but, so long as the signal doesn't 
change it's phase, there is NO LIMIT to how low in signal level you could 
go.  This is what we loosely refer to as 'coherent reception'.

For example, I could set the program to the frequency of a LORAN line from a 
local transmitter (<1000km), and the dot will move off towards the edge of 
the scope. The program is locked to GPS, the LORAN transmitter is stable in 
phase, so the direction of movement of the dot (the RF phase of the received 
signal) always stays the same. If I repeated the experiment on another day I 
would get exactly the same phase reading. I could have left the system on 
all day and detected a signal 24 times weaker than if I had left it running 
for an hour.  If I move 1/4 wavelength closer to the transmitter I would see 
the phase change by 90 degrees, even if I switched-off the receiver and the 
computer completely during the move.

This opens up an awesome set of possibilities for really weak-signal 
reception. Many transmitting stations are already able to transmit 
phase-locked to GPS. This technique means we can explore all the 
possibilities for coherent transmission and reception, with just an LF 
receiver which is already stable to 1Hz, and a GPS module with a 1Hz output. 
Scott's program is just an appetizer. Both he and I will make this technique 
available to  anyone wishing to develope it for amateur use.

73
Peter



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   Traces only, so I'm not sure, and a little bit higher than previous 
days (I read 137,779.80 Hz +-0.01), 0230 ==> 0430 UTC.

   Best 73 !

   F5YG





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Is Lessay off air? Loran level is between 12 and 15 dB down on normal here=
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73
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Hi Joe & LF,

Last night & this morning VO1NA N's seen from 2310z last night to 0510z this
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Nothing else seen.

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Here's Wild Bill's site addy =
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Mike
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  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Dave Pick
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  Anyone know where Bill Ashlock's web-site has gone?

  Dave.


  On 19/04/06, Dave Pick <> wrote:=20
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Nice one Dave!

People want want to take a look at Johns XES  web site  and other coupler 
info  for  loops too - the Sangamo series are commonly used especially the 
bigger G2 or 3 size (!) search under ebay Sangamo mica and normally youll 
find one or two available.

http://www.w1tag.com/XESANT.htm

http://myweb.cableone.net/flow/copper3.jpg

Just heard XDW will be up rooting again in the autumn - but I hope not to 
have wasted my 55 bucks with the FCC and determined to get a signal out from 
this location before I move again...dont ask me where as they wont tell 
me...just that Im moving...Im kneeling to the East and hope its going back 
to KL7...

Laurence KL1X in Okie




>From: "Dave Pick" <daveyxm@googlemail.com>
>Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>To: "LF Group" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Subject: LF: Loop experiments in GM
>Date: Wed, 19 Apr 2006 16:31:47 +0100
>
>Dear all.
>
>Well I got the loop working pretty well at the GM QTH (20 miles West of
>Dumfries SW Scotland). It ran N/S and was made of 5mm OD coax cable pulled
>through two trees 100ft apart. At one end it was about 60ft high and the
>other about 50 although the top was horizontal (ground higher at the South
>end). To get the right circumference of about 330ft the bottom span was
>longer than the top and was about 4 to 5ft high. The tuner was placed in 
>the
>centre of the bottom span standing on an upturned stacking box (so 2ft off
>the ground).
>The 12nF required to tune the loop was made up of 100 1nF 2kV
>polypropylene  "pulse rated" Cs connected in 33 parallel legs each having 3
>series Cs (333pF each leg). That gives almost 11nF, across this was a 2nF
>vacuum variable C motor-driven from the shack.
>Current in the loop was calculated at over 30A and measured at about 35.
>This means each C was passing around 1A. The frequency did move slightly HF
>under long periods of QRSS and the heating of the Cs could be felt by hand
>but they were by no means hot. I guess they have a negative temperature
>coefficient?
>The transformer was made of 3 stacked 58mm 3C85 toroids with 20 turns on 
>the
>primary and two turns of huge fat "starter motor" type cable as the
>secondary in series with the loop and Cs. The transformer remained
>completely stone cold even at 1kW input. I think I over-engineered it a bit
>after some tales of over heating from the states!
>Over the four days I worked 7 countries with "O" reports including OH1TN 
>off
>the side of the loop.
>Later, when the weather improved I got out the trusty bow and arrow again
>and put up a nice Marconi inverted L with a 120ft top at 65ft high and a 45
>degree downlead of about 90ft.
>Due to the poor ground and proximity to trees I could only get 2.5A up this
>wire with 1kW, my best efforts on this site in the past gave over 3A (more
>top wires, more radials). Nevertheless the Marconi gave exactly the same
>signal reports with G3NYK, G3KEV and G3AQC with whom I did tests. It was,
>however, much noisier on receive. Every station I heard, regardless of
>direction, was better copy on the loop.
>I also took the PA0DRT mini-whip with me and on a 20ft pole it was easily 
>as
>sensitive as the big aerials, slightly less noisy than the Marconi but not
>as quiet as the loop.
>
>So the loop was easy to erect, no worries about wires touching branches,
>robust due to the thick cable, performed as well as a similar Marconi on TX
>and was quiet on receive.
>On the negative side the lower element gets in the way and it required a
>specialist tuner... but now I've got one I could be using loops more often!
>
>I've left both aerials up for the next visit but I know which one is more
>likely to withstand the gales...
>
>This and the pictures are at http://wireless.org.uk/loopy.htm
>--
>G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK (was IO75WC in GM)




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Dear all.

Well I got the loop working pretty well at the GM QTH (20 miles West of
Dumfries SW Scotland). It ran N/S and was made of 5mm OD coax cable pulled
through two trees 100ft apart. At one end it was about 60ft high and the
other about 50 although the top was horizontal (ground higher at the South
end). To get the right circumference of about 330ft the bottom span was
longer than the top and was about 4 to 5ft high. The tuner was placed in th=
e
centre of the bottom span standing on an upturned stacking box (so 2ft off
the ground).
The 12nF required to tune the loop was made up of 100 1nF 2kV
polypropylene  "pulse rated" Cs connected in 33 parallel legs each having 3
series Cs (333pF each leg). That gives almost 11nF, across this was a 2nF
vacuum variable C motor-driven from the shack.
Current in the loop was calculated at over 30A and measured at about 35.
This means each C was passing around 1A. The frequency did move slightly HF
under long periods of QRSS and the heating of the Cs could be felt by hand
but they were by no means hot. I guess they have a negative temperature
coefficient?
The transformer was made of 3 stacked 58mm 3C85 toroids with 20 turns on th=
e
primary and two turns of huge fat "starter motor" type cable as the
secondary in series with the loop and Cs. The transformer remained
completely stone cold even at 1kW input. I think I over-engineered it a bit
after some tales of over heating from the states!
Over the four days I worked 7 countries with "O" reports including OH1TN of=
f
the side of the loop.
Later, when the weather improved I got out the trusty bow and arrow again
and put up a nice Marconi inverted L with a 120ft top at 65ft high and a 45
degree downlead of about 90ft.
Due to the poor ground and proximity to trees I could only get 2.5A up this
wire with 1kW, my best efforts on this site in the past gave over 3A (more
top wires, more radials). Nevertheless the Marconi gave exactly the same
signal reports with G3NYK, G3KEV and G3AQC with whom I did tests. It was,
however, much noisier on receive. Every station I heard, regardless of
direction, was better copy on the loop.
I also took the PA0DRT mini-whip with me and on a 20ft pole it was easily a=
s
sensitive as the big aerials, slightly less noisy than the Marconi but not
as quiet as the loop.

So the loop was easy to erect, no worries about wires touching branches,
robust due to the thick cable, performed as well as a similar Marconi on TX
and was quiet on receive.
On the negative side the lower element gets in the way and it required a
specialist tuner... but now I've got one I could be using loops more often!

I've left both aerials up for the next visit but I know which one is more
likely to withstand the gales...

This and the pictures are at http://wireless.org.uk/loopy.htm
--
G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK (was IO75WC in GM)

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Dear all.<br>
<br>
Well I got the loop working pretty well at the GM QTH (20 miles West of
Dumfries SW Scotland). It ran N/S and was made of 5mm OD coax cable
pulled through two trees 100ft apart. At one end it was about 60ft high
and the other about 50 although the top was horizontal (ground higher
at the South end). To get the right circumference of about 330ft the
bottom span was longer than the top and was about 4 to 5ft high. The
tuner was placed in the centre of the bottom span standing on an
upturned stacking box (so 2ft off the ground).<br>The 12nF required to
tune the loop was made up of 100 1nF 2kV
polypropylene&nbsp;&nbsp;&quot;pulse rated&quot; Cs connected in 33 paralle=
l legs
each having 3 series Cs (333pF each leg). That gives almost 11nF,
across this was a 2nF vacuum variable C motor-driven from the shack.<br>Cur=
rent
in the loop was calculated at over 30A and measured at about 35. This
means each C was passing around 1A. The frequency did move slightly HF
under long periods of QRSS and the heating of the Cs could be felt by
hand but they were by no means hot. I guess they have a negative
temperature coefficient?<br>The transformer was made of 3 stacked 58mm
3C85 toroids with 20 turns on the primary and two turns of huge fat
&quot;starter motor&quot; type cable as the secondary in series with the lo=
op and
Cs. The transformer remained completely stone cold even at 1kW input. I
think I over-engineered it a bit after some tales of over heating from
the states!<br>Over the four days I worked 7 countries with &quot;O&quot; r=
eports including OH1TN off the side of the loop.<br>Later,
when the weather improved I got out the trusty bow and arrow again and
put up a nice Marconi inverted L with a 120ft top at 65ft high and a 45
degree downlead of about 90ft.<br>Due to the poor ground and proximity
to trees I could only get 2.5A up this wire with 1kW, my best efforts
on this site in the past gave over 3A (more top wires, more radials).
Nevertheless the Marconi gave exactly the same signal reports with
G3NYK, G3KEV and G3AQC with whom I did tests. It was, however, much
noisier on receive. Every station I heard, regardless of direction, was
better copy on the loop. <br>I also took the PA0DRT mini-whip with me
and on a 20ft pole it was easily as sensitive as the big aerials,
slightly less noisy than the Marconi but not as quiet as the loop.<br><br>S=
o
the loop was easy to erect, no worries about wires touching branches,
robust due to the thick cable, performed as well as a similar Marconi
on TX and was quiet on receive. <br>On the negative side the lower
element gets in the way and it required a specialist tuner... but now
I've got one I could be using loops more often!<br><br>I've left both aeria=
ls up for the next visit but I know which one is more likely to withstand t=
he gales...<br><br>This and the pictures are at <a href=3D"http://wireless.=
org.uk/loopy.htm">
http://wireless.org.uk/loopy.htm</a> <br>-- <br>G3YXM IO92BK Birmingham UK =
(was IO75WC in GM)<br>

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   Hello Jean-Pierre and all !
   Here nothing the 17/18th night, and, last night (18/19th), only a=20
beautiful but lonesome "N" just before 0130z, on 137.777.02 Hz...

   I was in Krefeld, near D=FCsseldorf, for a couple of days. I tried, when=
=20
work permited, to monitor the 18.5 kHz frequency with an active antenna=20
(LF256 Jfet op.-amp.) and SpectrumLab on a laptop, but unfortunately, I=20
saw nothing, only the strong russian TTY signal below, on 18.1 kHz.
   I shall try again this evening at home.

   Best 73 !
   F5YG

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:

>
> Hi all on the list !
>
> The last night , poor conditions for me !
> with a very very strong static activity
>
> *Only copy VO1NA *
>
> the captures of the night are on :
> http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
>
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi all on the list !
 
The last night , poor conditions for me !
with a very very strong static activity

*Only copy VO1NA *

the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
 



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Hi all on the list !

The last night I copy:

WD2XGJ > 01:30 to 03:00

the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht







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Dear Alan,

again, many thanks for the great talk! It was most interesting, and good 
fun! The band is really fascinating, as it opens a new world with 
electrically short antennas, relatively simple home brew equiment (I liked 
the Class E PA for 60 pence), and narrow band modes. We probably will 
build a receive converter as club project first, and then go for a 
transmitter later. 

Best regards, Daniel M0ERA



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Hello all:
Permission has been received for another year of operation on
137 - Permit was delayed because of change in personnel at local office -
but finally sent out yesterday.
Presently 137776.34   QRSS60   and power of 200 watts.
Loop antenna current of 16 Amps.

Appearing on W3EEE.com - thanks Steve.

MP
VE3OT



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Steve

Yes...remembered from an earlier post that you thought you might be on Sunday night running tests or
'beaconing'...so thought I would tune in...

Take some pix of the corona after dark :~) Best of luck!

Jay


----- Original Message ----- 
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>
>
>
> > WD2XNS will be off the air April 4, 5 and 6 for the ZM2E / VA7LF / R6L
> tests. Good luck to the
> > participants and monitoring stations!
>
> Jay - just to clarify...the overnight tests with ZM2E begin late on Monday,
> Tuesday & Wednesday night (4th-6th UTC). If we get the antenna work finished
> today, we may be on tonight in some capacity....beaconing...cross-band
> work..?? On the three sked nights, we will have about 3 hours of darkness to
> play with here before sunset in ZL.
>
>  I  will keep the list posted.
>
> Off to work on the antenna...at least the wind and rain have stopped!
>
> 73 / Steve / VE7SL
>
>



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Hi, Dick.

30mm will be OK for the zobel network. Just keep the wiring rigid and
direct, and you shouldn't have any problems.

If you want to transmit for long periods, be generous with the cooling, and
not just for FETs. The ferrite components will get hot too. Keep an "open"
layout, and allow room to add extra cooling fans to blow air onto the output
transformer, the PA feed choke (if you use the "current fed configuration),
and the toroids in the output low-pass filter(LPF).

You can use air-cored inductors for the output LPF, but don't underestimate
the gauge of the wire you need use. I found that even air-cored coils get
hot at moderate power levels (>200W)due to copper losses, as the circulating
currents in the output LPF can be surprisingly large.

The most unreliable part of my rig is the power supply. I'm on my third set
of rectifier diodes ;-)

For the divider, you can divide by nine and then two. The divider I use has
a 74LS161N LSTTL programmable divider followed by a SN74LS74 divide-by two.
You'll also need a 74LS04 inverter, plus a handfull of other bits and
pieces. Cost about 10 euro maximum. It will also generate DFCW by switching
a trimmer capacitor across the crystal.

If you (or anybody else)want the schematic, let me know and I'll mail it
direct. (700k Word document)

Good luck with the construction!

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM



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Hello all,

I'm building a new (and larger) 136kHz transmitter.

The output circuit is the same as the one used by G3YXM with 4 times
IRFP450.

Each FET will get his own gate input resistor (6R8) and gate-to-ground
resistor (47k)
The sources will be grounded as short as possible to ground, while the
drains of
2 FET's will be connected together.

I am now in the stage of putting the components of the output circuit on its
correct position,
and that raised some questions about where to mount what.

I am using a large heatsink 12x15x5cm.
On this heatsink I mounted a 1.5mm thick copperplate 75x150mm in order to
transport heat quick away from the FET's.
Maybe it's some 'overkill' , but I just want to set up a thing that can run
for hours
on full power; just a bit of reserve...........

The 4 FET's are mounted in a row, separation between the FET's is 1 FET
width (abt 15mm).
The resistor of the 'zobel-network' is mounted just in the center , with
wires about 30mm long connected
to the drains of the FET's.

I do not expect problems, but maybe that 30mm is too long???
I don't think I can make them shorter without changing the whole component
layout.

If anyone has experiences with this amplifierstage and the zobel-network
wire length,
I would glad to hear.

Another thing coming into my mind is to set up a fixed frequency into the
transmitter, beside the VXO.
I do have an 4.9152MHz X-tal, but I have to divide it by 18 to get the
necessary 273.066kHz.
Any simple schematic (with easy to get components) for an divide by 18
circuit?

73

Dick, PA4VHF










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I should have said, by pulse I mean a break in carrier,  so the actual =
pulses are 900ms, 800ms and a few at 700ms.  On Alberto's plot the main =
zero at 10Hz is very clear, and there is adefinite dip at 5Hz caused by =
some of the pulses having a 200ms (800ms) period.  The spectrum caused =
by the few 300ms pulses won't be visible since a) there are very few, if =
any of these and b) its first zero would be at 3.333Hz so wouldn't be =
visible in the line spectrum.

Andy  G4JNT
www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  The pulses have a width of either 100, 200 or 300us.  The time/date  =
is carried by pulse width mod :100ms =3D 0,  200ms =3D 1,  with a =
framing code at the 52 - 59 second interval of '01111110'.  Parity =
checks and DUT info are carried in a 'second level' pulse during the =
framing code, so some of the pulses are extended from 200 to 300ms.  The =
seconds marker is 500ms long.

  So...
  Your answer is that all pulses are a multiple of 1/ (10Hz) hence there =
is a  sin(x) /x  pattern is based on 10Hz and 5Hz convolved with the 1Hz =
PRF
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I should have said, by pulse I mean a =
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carrier,&nbsp; so the actual pulses are 900ms, 800ms and a few at =
700ms.&nbsp;=20
On Alberto's plot the main zero at 10Hz is very clear, and there is =
adefinite=20
dip at 5Hz caused by some of the pulses having a 200ms (800ms) =
period.&nbsp; The=20
spectrum caused by the few 300ms pulses won't be visible since a) there =
are very=20
few, if any of these and b) its first zero would be at 3.333Hz so =
wouldn't be=20
visible in the line spectrum.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Andy&nbsp; G4JNT</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: Rugby LORAN=20
  measurement?</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The pulses have a width of either =
100, 200 or=20
  300us.&nbsp; The time/date &nbsp;is carried by pulse width mod =
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  face=3DArial size=3D2>100ms =3D 0,&nbsp; 200ms =3D 1, &nbsp;with a =
framing code at the=20
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  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your answer is that all pulses are a =
multiple of=20
  1/ (10Hz) hence there is a &nbsp;sin(x) /x&nbsp; pattern is based on =
10Hz and=20
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Hello Joe,

Thank you for the info.
It is difficult to say what influence the deafness of the FT817 has on 
strong signal handling performance.

Just like you said: take it to the test.

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Joe Craig wrote:

>Roelof and group,
>
>I was using an ft-817 with the miniwhip and was quite amazed that
>the LF TX could be heard at 20km.  I will try the attenuator between the
>rig and the miniwhip next time to see if the intermod is from the RX.
>Thanks fort the suggestion.
>
>The ft817 is very deaf below 0.5 MHz because of the small inductive
>reactances in the front end and mixer xfmr I believe, but modifying
>it would be awkward because of its size.
>
>  
>
The FT-817 works very well on 136kHz with one of G0MRF's preamps.

Peter, G3LDO


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Hi Laurence,

Yes, there is a jump in sensitivity when the internal preamp
is switched out (IPO on).  This is again probably because of the
inappropriate reactances (for LF) in the preamp.

I was listening to 80m on the miniwhip this evening and was impressed
with what I heard, considering the whip was just hanging from the
ceiling in the shack.

Can you tell me about the  L400b?

73
Joe

On Sun, 2 Apr 2006, Laurence KL1X wrote:

> Joe - on 137Khz does your sensitivity improve with the IPO enabled on the
> 817...? its very deaf without a lot of drive but with the L400b eprobe it
> shoves enough signal - without it and on my loop arrays I needed something
> like 20dB gain to get things "hot". I agree on the modification!
>
> Laurence KL1X in 5
> okie em26br
>
>
>
> from the manual -
> "IPO (Intercept Point Optimization) - Bypasses RX Preamp on HF/50 MHz for
> improved performance during strong-signal conditions."
>
>
> >From: Joe Craig <jcraig@mun.ca>
> >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> >Subject: Re: LF: T/A April 2
> >Date: Sun, 2 Apr 2006 21:49:00 -0230 (NDT)
> >
> >Roelof and group,
> >
> >I was using an ft-817 with the miniwhip and was quite amazed that
> >the LF TX could be heard at 20km.  I will try the attenuator between the
> >rig and the miniwhip next time to see if the intermod is from the RX.
> >Thanks fort the suggestion.
> >
> >The ft817 is very deaf below 0.5 MHz because of the small inductive
> >reactances in the front end and mixer xfmr I believe, but modifying
> >it would be awkward because of its size.
> >
> >Joe
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>


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Joe - on 137Khz does your sensitivity improve with the IPO enabled on the 
817...? its very deaf without a lot of drive but with the L400b eprobe it 
shoves enough signal - without it and on my loop arrays I needed something 
like 20dB gain to get things "hot". I agree on the modification!

Laurence KL1X in 5
okie em26br



from the manual -
"IPO (Intercept Point Optimization) - Bypasses RX Preamp on HF/50 MHz for 
improved performance during strong-signal conditions."


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>Roelof and group,
>
>I was using an ft-817 with the miniwhip and was quite amazed that
>the LF TX could be heard at 20km.  I will try the attenuator between the
>rig and the miniwhip next time to see if the intermod is from the RX.
>Thanks fort the suggestion.
>
>The ft817 is very deaf below 0.5 MHz because of the small inductive
>reactances in the front end and mixer xfmr I believe, but modifying
>it would be awkward because of its size.
>
>Joe
>
>
>




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Roelof and group,

I was using an ft-817 with the miniwhip and was quite amazed that
the LF TX could be heard at 20km.  I will try the attenuator between the
rig and the miniwhip next time to see if the intermod is from the RX.
Thanks fort the suggestion.

The ft817 is very deaf below 0.5 MHz because of the small inductive
reactances in the front end and mixer xfmr I believe, but modifying
it would be awkward because of its size.

Joe




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Hello Joe,

A few days ago you mailed that you have been using a mini-whip portable.
And also that you noticed overload problems in the vicinity of MW broadcast 
transmitters.

I wonder if the overload originates in the mini-whip or in the receiver.
This can be verified by a simple test. Connect an attenuator between the 
mini-whip and the receiver. If the overload problems disappear with 10 or 20 
dB attenuation, the receiver is the culprit. If not, the mini-whip is at 
fault.

By the way, which receiver have you been using?

73

Roelof 



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Thank-you Hartmut and Roelof for the signal reports.

Will try to stay QRV pending freezing rain storms.

73
Joe



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Hello all,

Excellent copy of XNS, XGJ, XES and NA.
The attached poststamp is taken between 02:30 and 04.30 UTC.
Traces of Joe's signal were still visible at 07:00 UTC.
The others faded out one hour earlier.

Best regards,
Roelof
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From: Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt
Location: Middelburg, Zealand SW Netherlands, 51 30 02 N, 03 36 02 E
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Receiver:
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home made pitch shifter, 12 & 6 Hz active audio filters

Aerial: pa0rdt-Mini-Whip-half pint (actual size: build in half a film
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Greetings Victor and all,
Received this message directly. Maybe someone more familiar with 
blacksheep can help.
I just post to the message Victor mentioned and all works well.

73,  Wolf DL4YHF .



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Hello Wolf,

some months ago I subscribed at blacksheep.org to receive lf mailings. This
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Victor
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Hello Wolf,

some months ago I subscribed at blacksheep.org to receive lf mailings. This
works fine but I cannot send any mail to rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ,they
just disapear,can you tell me the right address or procedure??

Best regards,

Victor
PA3FNY





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>From across the pond copied "N". Joe, VO1NA was sending "N"s last
night.  Only partial copy of the US part5 stations XNS, XGJ and XES.

Still good daytime copy of EA4BVZ, but not so strong as yesterday here
around local midday.

Some EU activities on 137.7 in DFCW and QRSS yesterday evening.
Captured DK4U, DL2HRE, G3XIZ, PA3CPM, PA3FNY, OH1TN, S57A and UA4WPF.
Antenna beaming NE, so the stations west of me are a bit weaker in the
captures.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


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Jean-Pierre and Hartmut,

   Thanks for the reports and captures from last night. WD2XGJ will be on limited schedule this week to permit listening for ZM2E.



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73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

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From: Jean-Pierre Godet <godetj@wanadoo.fr>
> NA : very shortly, only half an hour 0045 ==> 0115 UTC (traces) ;
> XGJ : about 0145 ==> 0215, then 0245 ==> 0315 UTC.
> 
> 73 !
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> F5YG
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NA : very shortly, only half an hour 0045 ==> 0115 UTC (traces) ;
XGJ : about 0145 ==> 0215, then 0245 ==> 0315 UTC.

73 !

F5YG





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Hello the list,

     I was re-reading the AMRAD Active Antenna article today and came across the following:

"LF signals have very long wavelengths:at 136 kHz, 1 wavelength is 7181 feet. At
these wavelengths, the average suburban yard is less than 1/10 wavelength across, so
an electrostatic field may be used to approximate LF waves. Thus, at LF, those
areas with a zero electrostatic field will also have a zero, or near-zero LF field
strength. The freely downloadable student version of the QuickField Finite Element
Analysis program (www .quickfield.com) can be used to plot the electrostatic field
around a simple house and yard model.13"

   There is indeed a free download student version of Quickfield (release date 3 April 2006!) 
Quickfield is a powerful finite-element program that can be used for electrostatics, heat transfer,  DC magnetic fields 
AND AC Magnetic fields - could be a powerful tool for calculating core loss in transformers as well.

But the relevance here is that it will calculate self capacitance and capacitance between conductors (including fringe effects!)
This may be the way to calculate the capacitance between an LF vertical with top hat and a counterpoise (or ground).

I'm still learning how to use this tool but it apparently has a lot of applications at LF. 

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
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 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Bill Ashlock" <ashlockw@hotmail.com>
> Warren,
> 
> The comment in my previous post related to the 5 page explanation of 
> capacity. Any tricks to downloading the 56 page postscript file? I tried it 
> and got some pretty scary results.  My computer was all messed up for a 
> while.
> 
> Bill
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" <k2ors@comcast.net>
> To: <lowfer@lwca.org>; <lowfer@lwca.org>
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> Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 6:00 PM
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> 
> 
> > Dear Bill,
> >
> >     You are correct, the capacitance is much larger due to edge effects.
> > "If you look at the plates then the contours of constant potential form 
> > ovals around the plates; and the ovals  bulge out a bit more on the 
> > outsides of the plates than on the insides, telling us that there is 
> > slightly more charge on the inner surface of each plate than on the outer 
> > surface. Under these conditions, the capacitance is much larger than would 
> > be calculated from the ideal parallel-plate formula."
> > See : "Numerical Analysis of Potential and Capacitance"
> > http://www.mtintouch.net/~fme/captance.html
> >
> > You will probably want to download the postscript file linked from that 
> > page.
> >
> > 73 & GL
> > Warren
> >
> >
> > --
> > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> > FN42hi
> > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
> >
> > -------------- Original message ----------------------
> > From: "Bill Ashlock" <ashlockw@hotmail.com>
> >> All,
> >>
> >> Does anyone have a derivation of the capacity between conductive parallel
> >> planes of finite size but spaced at a reasonable distance? The typical 
> >> text
> >> book coverage is for parallel planes having a spacing of much less than 
> >> the
> >> linear dimensions of the planes and the formula is simply EoA/d. 
> >> Apparently
> >> the fringing field at the edges amounts to a large addition capacity ..
> >> maybe 2X for typical Lowfer top hat heights and sizes.
> >>
> >> Thanks for any help on this.
> >>
> >> Bill
> >>
> >>
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Hi LF,

Not a thing seen here also.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
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Hello Jean-Pierre and all on the list,
the last night verry noisy !
Also copy trace of   " VO1NA"
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http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

Jean-Pierre Godet a �crit :
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>
> But 73 to all !
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Hello Jean-Pierre and all on the list,
the last night verry noisy !
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73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht

Jean-Pierre Godet a =E9crit :
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>
> But 73 to all !
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Sorry, nothing on my screen last night, only statics...

But 73 to all !





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Victor:

It may be important that when you send postings to 
rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, that you send the message "from" the exact 
same email address at which you receive the list postings.

Some reflectors will not allow you to post from an email address that is not 
the same as the address you used to register (the address where the 
reflector output is sent for you).

This might be the reason for your problem. Do you use different addresses?

73
Peter G3PLX 



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Copied VO1NA, WD2XES and WD2XGJ last night.

Joe, VO1NA is now back to QRSS30 with the full callsign and CW at
5wpm. The QRSS30 signal was visible 22:55-04:25 best about
23:55-03:25. Some 5wpm "blur" was visible, too.

Copied only two "XES" about 01:15-02:10 from John, WD2XES in DFCW90.
Traces at other times during the night.

>From Warren, WD2XGJ I saw two "XGJ" in QRSS60 about 01:50-03:20.


Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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Hello Mal and all:

Good audible CW signals over here sending CQ on 137.0 kHz at 9.40 UTC.

73 de Jos=E9, EA1PX, IN53ti
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Ok Peter I think the alert was based on a possible CME associated with those
flares which will take around 56 hours to reach us, if it is "aimed" this
way. (the alert suggests we are in range) Depending on the field direction
it could give a minor storm and aurora when it arrives. One advantage of
geomag disturbance is we can get a little advance warning.

A third flare peaked at just over M1 at 1700z....looking at the build up I
would not be surprised to see a high M-Class flare in this sequence.

Friday midnight might be a good time to watch the sky !  or 2m .

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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> From G3PLX:
>
> Alan:
>
> The alert was in respect of increased GEOMAG activity, not in respect of
the
> flare, so don't wait around!
>
> 73
> Peter
>
>



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Thanks sofar all for the comments on the G3YXM amp.

I will use a single 58mm 3C85 core as an ouput transformer.
Primairy coil will be using 2mm wire, secundairy will be 1mm wire all PTFE
insulated

The output filter consists of two T225-2 cores, each with about 65 turns
1.5mm wire.

As Dave already mentioned, I will keep an continue air flow trough the
filter.

Not sure what kind of feed-choke I will use.
The 50mm long ferite rod as mentioned by G3YXM or something with ring cores.
(What about a stack of iron cores from old computer SMPS? , those
yellow-white ones, about
 25-30mm diameter?)

Dick, PA4VHF




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Hello all,

thanks for your input onto my problem with uploading messages to
blacksheep,I had for about 60 KB attached to my message and this just won't
be accepted.I will make my messages smaller than 35 KB as suggested.Hope to
hear from you and maby we have a QSO on 136 KHz,

greetings,
Victor
PA3FNY



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Hello the list,
     XNS, XGJ, XES and NA are making into Dave Pick's and Markus's grabbers in good style tonite.


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73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
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XGJ : 0135 UTC ==> 0305 UTC 137,779.79 Hz ;
Traces of XES 137,779 Hz : 0135 ==> 0215 Hz.

   best 73 !

   F5YG



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Good signal levels of XES and XGJ last night.

Captures 02:00-06:00 can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut



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Tnx Jose
Pse get on 136 khz soon for a QSO or call me on 7030 khz xband when u =
hear me on.
73 and tnx agn=20
de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH

  ----- Original Message -----=20
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  Hello Mal and all:

  Good audible CW signals over here sending CQ on 137.0 kHz at 9.40 UTC.

  73 de Jos=E9, EA1PX, IN53ti
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Pse get on 136 khz soon for a QSO or =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73 and tnx agn </FONT></DIV>
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Hi Alan and all,

You should be able to easily split this, either with a PDF tool,
or with a zip program.

If you don't have Acrobat or a print-to-PDF utility installed,
take at look at http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdfcreator/ .

If you don't have a good archiving program, see
http://www.7-zip.org/

73,

Stewart KK7KA

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Melia [mailto:alan.melia@btinternet.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 3:25 PM
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Re: Information about W&G SPM-3
> 
> Michael I have a manual scanned as a PDF file, The problem is my ISP wont
> let me attach more than about 1.5Mb to a message at present and wont tell
> me
> why....in fact I got NO answers to my complaint. I might be able to find
> room to put it on my web site for a short time for you to collect or load
> it
> up to a site of yours?? Keep a look out for the PS-3 as well (I dont have
> manual for that  :-((  )
> 
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Michael Peters <m.peters@peters-placke.de>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: 19 April 2006 20:47
> Subject: LF: Information about W&G SPM-3
> 
> 
> > hi to all,
> >
> > since a few days i have a wandel & goltermann SPM-3 in good condition.
> > it works very well with the mini whip from pa0rdt - i`m surprice.
> >
> > can anyone help for information , manual, schematic or so?
> >
> > 73 michael dk5na
> >
> 




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Copied NA 23:30-05:50 and XGJ 01:35-03:15 last night.

Captures (inclusive a NPG capture)can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut



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via 7RO
  
This is a bulletin from VA7LF located on South Pender Island, B.C.
For the next two overnight periods, VA7LF will be attempting to complete a
low-frequency QSO with ZM2E in New Zealand. Operation will take place on the
2200m band, on 137 kilohertz. As part of our low-frequency experiment, we
are actively seeking signal reports as well as two-way crossband contacts
from as many amateurs as possible. Since VA7LF will be using a large
vertical antenna located near the ocean and operating at the maximum
permitted effective radiated power, our signals will hopefully be audible
within several hundred miles or further, from South Pender Island.

In order to work VA7LF on crossband cw, you will need to listen for our cw
signals on 137.780 kilohertz. We will listen for any replies to our CQ on
3536 kilohertz and 7077 kilohertz cw mode. VA7LF will begin calling CQ at
2000 hours PDST (0300 UTC) tonight and tomorrow night and will continue
until 2230 hours PDST (0530 UTC). Following each CQ, VA7LF will listen for
cw replies for approximately two minutes on both HF frequencies. In
addition, we will be conducting a similar test during daylight hours,
tomorrow (Wednesday) from 1400 hours  through 1600 hours PDST.

To repeat, VA7LF will transmit on 137.780 kilohertz cw in the 2200m band
starting at 2000 hours tonight and tomorrow night and continue until 2230
hours PDST. The daylight test will run tomorrow only, from 1400 hours
through 1600 hours PDST. VA7LF will listen for replies on 3536 kilohertz and
7077 kilohertz HF cw.

All interested amateurs in western Canada and the Pacific north-west, or
farther, are encouraged to participate in this unique event.
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73, Ric, VK7RO



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Hi All
Almost qrm condx on 136 last nite, it was hard to find a slot for a qso.
Active
OH, PA, RU, G6, OK, DL, S52, EW6.
This morning so far worked F6BWO.
Things are looking up on LF around EU.

73 de Mal/G3KEV

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Absolutely!

I hear that 9kHz is an interesting band...... http://www.qru.de/vlf.html

Your lat-long would make your locator something like JN16XX....about 600 km
from London. Getting back to the UK would be a doddle on 136kHz.

Look forward to hearing you soon!

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of John RABSON
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Subject: LF: Noblesse oblige


This is a French expression which seems to mean (approximately) "something
you have a moral obligation to do because of your position".

Having just received my French call sign, it therefore seems I must get on
the air soon as possible on 136kHz.

73,
John Rabson F5VLF
Mar� le Bas
58800 Cervon
FRANCE
47degN 4degE








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Hi Victor, if you are receiving mail that suggests you are correctly
subscribed. It is possible that the reflector ISP regards your address as
that of a spammer but I doubt that is the problem. Often these things can be
caused by a non-printing character in the address. Can I suggest two courses
of action to try and solve it.
First try to post a message by using the reply button on this message. If
that works then try deleting the address in your address book. Then you can
re-enter it from this message by right clicking on the string in Wolf's
header and accepting the enter to the address book option.  Wolf's posting
came through so that header must be correct.
I presume that you do not get any error message, your posted message just
gets "lost" . It may be worthwhile switching HTML off, because sometimes
that can upset some parsers. The only other thing to remember is that the
max message size is around 35kB. It will take attachments as you may have
seen but only if the total message size it below the limit.

I hope that helps a little....I hope to see your messages soon.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: Wolf DL4YHF <dl4yhf@freenet.de>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>
Sent: 12 April 2006 22:51
Subject: LF: [Fwd: blacksheep]


> Greetings Victor and all,
> Received this message directly. Maybe someone more familiar with
> blacksheep can help.
> I just post to the message Victor mentioned and all works well.
>
> 73,  Wolf DL4YHF .
>
>
>
> -----
>
> Hello Wolf,
>
> some months ago I subscribed at blacksheep.org to receive lf mailings.
This
> works fine but I cannot send any mail to rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
,they
> just disapear,can you tell me the right address or procedure??
>
> Best regards,
>
> Victor
> PA3FNY
>
>
>



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Best signal in NC was around sunrise received with XKO vertical.

Several hours of screen shots at:

http://w4dex.com/lf/temp/va7lf/05apr06/

Argo time is EDT (GMT -4 hours)

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That's XKO at 25 watts Hartmut.  Nice catch!

Dex

Hartmut Wolff wrote:
> Captured VO1NA, WD2XGJ and WD2XKO last night.
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Captured VO1NA, WD2XGJ and WD2XKO last night.


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73
Hartmut
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Hello the list...

     After a long dry spell T/A conditions seem to be good tonite. WD2XES and WD2XGJ good copy of Dave Pick's grabber.
http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
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Copied "N" 22:40-01:05 and 02:50-04:20. Signal level from Joe, VO1NA
was much poorer than previous night. Nothing else seen last night.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm

Happy eastern to everyone!

73
Hartmut
www.h-wolff.de
Locator: JO52hp



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Zitat von Steve McDonald <jsm@gulfislands.com>:

>
> Good morning J.B....that's us...we are sending a fsk90 'V' every 10 
> mins while they send a 'Z' on the other 10 min sequence. We will do 
> this until we see signals from each other.
> Many thanks for the excellent screen shot!
>
> 73 / Steve / VE7SL at VA7LF



Hi Steve,
strong signs on the R6L QRGs here in JO43SV.
see attachment pse.

regards
Uwe/dj8wx

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Good morning J.B....that's us...we are sending a fsk90 'V' every 10 mins =
while they send a 'Z' on the other 10 min sequence. We will do this =
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Many thanks for the excellent screen shot!

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IK5ZPV appeared on the mini-whip capture at
http://80.53.201.198/~sp5zcc1/argo/capt01276.jpg (and earlier).
This is the farthest station captured so far using this mini-whip
ca. 3m above the roof.

BTW it's the last captured picture, afterwards the equipment has
been temporarily switched off by one of ZCC members closing the
club yesterday evening: there are thunderstorms predicted for
today. Lightnings in Poland can be observed live here (the
address has changed):
http://www.imgw.pl/wl/internet/zz/pogoda/_burze/burze_zbiorcze.html .

73! Marek SQ5BPM

Dnia 24-04-2006 o godz. 21:25 Jose Manuel napisa�(a):
> Victor, thanks for nice report.
> 
> 73 de Jos�, EA1PX
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> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Victor van kooten" <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>
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> > Seen at 21:00 utc last evening (23 april) at
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> > 73
> > Victor
> > PA3FNY
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Victor, thanks for nice report.

73 de Jos=E9, EA1PX






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> Seen at 21:00 utc last evening (23 april) at QRSS3,centerfreq:137700 Hz
>
> 73
> Victor
> PA3FNY
> JO22NC
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Joe,

     I spoke to Ted Holdahl KC3OL the other day, he added a 100uH choke in series with the output of the Miniwhip amplifier. This greatly knocked down AM MW signals - perhaps that would help in your case (if the intermod is due to MW).

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 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Joe Craig <jcraig@mun.ca>
> Dear Group,
> 
> I recently built Roelof's miniwhip e-probe and reported on
> the reflector that there was trouble with intermod when
> close to MF AM transmitter sites.  This problem originates
> with the receiver and not the probe itself.
> 
> This was verified by attenuating the output of the probe
> and hearing signals on 137 kHz what could not be heard
> without the attenuator because of interference.
> 
> Thanks to Roelof for a good design and sharing it those who
> asked and his tip about the attenuator!  Thanks also to the
> kind VE3 who sent me the semiconductors I was having trouble
> locating whin building the PA0RTD miniwhip.
> 
> 
> Still QRV on 137.777 kHz sending 'N' at QRSS60 after sunset.
> 
> 73
> Joe VO1NA
> 
> 




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Dear Group,

I recently built Roelof's miniwhip e-probe and reported on
the reflector that there was trouble with intermod when
close to MF AM transmitter sites.  This problem originates
with the receiver and not the probe itself.

This was verified by attenuating the output of the probe
and hearing signals on 137 kHz what could not be heard
without the attenuator because of interference.

Thanks to Roelof for a good design and sharing it those who
asked and his tip about the attenuator!  Thanks also to the
kind VE3 who sent me the semiconductors I was having trouble
locating whin building the PA0RTD miniwhip.


Still QRV on 137.777 kHz sending 'N' at QRSS60 after sunset.

73
Joe VO1NA



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Better signals last night as this capture shows, second capture following.

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Today there was a lot of activity on 137.7 kHz. I added captures of
DM2BHG, EA1PX, F6CWA, G3XIZ, G4WGT, GM3YXM, OM2TW, PA3CPM, PA3FNY,
RU6LA to my website:
                   http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm

Antenna was beaming at 310� so probably I missed some stations from
the southeast. Despite the antenna direction, copy of RU6LA and OM2TW
was possible. M0BMU was so strong, I did not get a good readable
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Even under the s9 plus of qrm from tstorms to our NE some 1000 miles away, 
DCF39 at 0315z is a good clear audible signal here into Oklahoma.

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HI All...

I will be transmited this weekend for time to time ,
QRSS3 and QRSS10 on 137.710 or 137.716kHz.

Any reports (QSO) will be appreciated.

Cheers

73 , Joze  S52AB   JN75OU

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>QRSS3 and QRSS10 on 137.710 or=20
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From: Mitch Powell <mitch.powell@sympatico.ca>
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Steve:
Full screen overnight captures again - located at :
http://www3.sympatico.ca/mitch.powell/va7lf6.htm

Signal did not appear as early. I had attempted cross-band
sked at 0430z - however all bands ( including 7 MHz ) dropped out.
You finally appeared out of the noise a few hours later, as shown.
After a drop-out or two your signal was increasing until my sundown ( and
your QRT ? ).

Thanks for the signal -

Mitch  VE3OT

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Ok Harmut , thank  for this explanation !

73qro Jean-Pierre f1afj



Hartmut Wolff a =E9crit :
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> Hartmut
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>> Hi all on the list !
>> That is it ? (picture) XKO in QRRS10 ?
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>> the captures of the night are on :
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>> 73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
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Hi Jean-Pierre,

that is a IM product from 137.718. I read the right part as "GM3YXM O K"

73
Hartmut



> Hi all on the list !
> That is it ? (picture) XKO in QRRS10 ?

> the captures of the night are on :
> http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

> 73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht



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Hi all on the list !
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73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht




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Hi Dick,
  I believe that it is  136.533 KHz.

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> somewhere I've seen something about this "commercial" 136kHz using a fixed
> X-tal QRG.
> Does anyone knows what this exact frequency is?
> 
> 73
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> Dick, PA4VHF
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somewhere I've seen something about this "commercial" 136kHz using a fixed
X-tal QRG.
Does anyone knows what this exact frequency is?

73

Dick, PA4VHF



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   And here, only faint traces of VO1NA, sorry... abt 2330 - 0045 UTC, and=
=20
I read 137,777.02 Hz (cal. on the 137,778.370 Hz line from GRI 7499=20
Loran).
   73 !  f5yg

On Fri, 14 Apr 2006, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:

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> Hi all on the list !
>
> The last night I copy:
> VO1NA  > 23:00 to 01:00
> WD2XGJ > 01:30 to 02:30
> WD2XNS,WD2XES,WD2XKO (traces) > 04:00 to 04:30
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> http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
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> 73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
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Hi all on the list !

The last night I copy:
VO1NA  > 23:00 to 01:00
WD2XGJ > 01:30 to 02:30
WD2XNS,WD2XES,WD2XKO (traces) > 04:00 to 04:30
the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht






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Alan,

    How did your talk at the Cambridge club go? What was the interest level among the membership?  Did they catch on to what we are doing on 137?


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73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
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> Hi Warren......ahhh I am disappointed   :-))
> You probably wont miss much as most of it I have been rabbiting on about, on
> various reflectors, for years. It will be aimed at trying to encourage some
> more to come and join us.
> (Thinks....must dig out a QRSS trace of 'XGJ  !!)
> 
> Motto......LF stands for "Lotsa Fun"
> 
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ <k2ors@comcast.net>
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> > Alan,
> >
> >     Sorry that I will miss your talk this Friday, any possibility of
> having it webcast?
> >
> >
> > --
> > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> > FN42hi
> > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
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> 
> 




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Hi Warren......ahhh I am disappointed   :-))
You probably wont miss much as most of it I have been rabbiting on about, on
various reflectors, for years. It will be aimed at trying to encourage some
more to come and join us.
(Thinks....must dig out a QRSS trace of 'XGJ  !!)

Motto......LF stands for "Lotsa Fun"

Cheers de Alan G3NYK


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> Alan,
>
>     Sorry that I will miss your talk this Friday, any possibility of
having it webcast?
>
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm




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Alan,

    Sorry that I will miss your talk this Friday, any possibility of having it webcast?


--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

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From: Daniel Schlieper <daniel.schlieper@tuxomania.net>
> Don't miss Alan G3NYK's introduction on 136kHz. Alan will drive all the 
> way from Ipswich to give a talk
>             
>               "Getting started on the 136kHz LF band" 
> 
> on Friday 7 April 2006 from 20:00 during the next meeting of the Cambridge 
> and District Amateur Radio Club. CDARC meets every Friday in the Coleridge 
> Community College, Radegund Road, Cambridge CB1 3RJ. For details see 
> http://www.cdarc.org.uk/. Everybody is welcome.
> 
> --
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Don't miss Alan G3NYK's introduction on 136kHz. Alan will drive all the 
way from Ipswich to give a talk
            
              "Getting started on the 136kHz LF band" 

on Friday 7 April 2006 from 20:00 during the next meeting of the Cambridge 
and District Amateur Radio Club. CDARC meets every Friday in the Coleridge 
Community College, Radegund Road, Cambridge CB1 3RJ. For details see 
http://www.cdarc.org.uk/. Everybody is welcome.

--
Daniel Schlieper         daniel@tuxomania.net
71 Wolfs Wood            M0ERA
Hurst Green RH8 0HH      Mobile phone: +44 7813 985230
UK




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Night march 30th ==> 31st = 0 ;
night 31st ==> 1st april = 0 ;
night 1st ==> 2nd : received XGJ, only half an hour, in fact only one
"GJ", but strong, from 0340 until 0410 UTC on 137,779.77 Hz.

Yesterday, on 137,788.50 Hz QRSS120, received the "RU" beacon (test 
RL6-ZL2) from 1645 until 1900 UTC, very strong after 1700 UTC (sunset was 
1822 JN09XI).
This beacon will be QRSS60 this afternoon 1530 ==> 1900 UTC.

73 !
F5YG




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Hello LFers, Lowfers,

Attached is a cropped screenshot taken around 11:00 UTC of the
window where VA7LF and ZM2E are attempting their QSO.  Is it
the real thing or some strange artifact?  My frequency readout is
about 0.0006 Hz. high, by the way.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
EN93dr


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Hi Daniel, thanks for the appreciation, I am glad it was what you were
looking for. I hope to hear some activity from Cambridge before long now !!
Make sure the members join the RSGB Reflector if only to "read the mail",
and do contact me if can be of any help with queries. But there is a fund of
experience and knowledge available here on the reflector which far outstrips
mine.

Best Wishes de Alan G3NYK

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> Dear Alan,
>
> again, many thanks for the great talk! It was most interesting, and good
> fun! The band is really fascinating, as it opens a new world with
> electrically short antennas, relatively simple home brew equiment (I liked
> the Class E PA for 60 pence), and narrow band modes. We probably will
> build a receive converter as club project first, and then go for a
> transmitter later.
>
> Best regards, Daniel M0ERA
>
>



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Steve & Scott:
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Interesting loran lines shown nearby - fyi - nice job.

Mitch VE3OT



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Hi everybody,

Last week the Greek Ministry of Transport and Communications
and the Ministry of Defence published the new frequency allocation
tables for Greece. There are some good news for amateur radio:

* Reference of ham use in the zone 130-148.5 kHz
* Allocation of the full band 3500-3800 kHz
* Allocation of the 23 cm band
* Possible allocation of 70.20 - 70.25 MHz to amateur
  radio and experimental stations after approval by
  the military.

And some bad news:

* Still problems with the microwave bands - the Ministry
  requires specific licenses for use of the bands above
  2.4 GHz
* The 160 m allocation remains 1810-1850 kHz


The situation about 7100-7200 kHz until 2009 is not clear,
it seems it is available to hams on a non-interference with 
BC basis.

So we should expect some 136 kHz activity from Greece
in the future.

Costas SV1Xv






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Hi Joe, Jean-Pierre & Alan,

Looked at my captures for last night & I got 4 "N"s from about 0310z to just
after 0500z, looks like I missed one after the 0310z "N" then 3 more.

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Hello Jean-Pierre,

> frequency used by VO1NA (I read 137,777.02 Hz), so faint that I cannot
> read something, perhaps a "N" at 0210.
>    Was you transmitting, Joe ?

You have correctly identified the culprit. That was VO1NA and it appears
as if the oscillator has drifted up again!
>
>    If it is a mirage, if I was mistaken, promise you, I stop drinking
> (McEwan's Scotch Ale, Talisker and Laphroaig single malt from Skye and
> Islay).
>

Ahh, that's good stuff.  Have a wee nip to celebrate your copy during the
unfavourable conditions predicted by Alan. And have one for Alan then
one for me too!

73
Joe


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Hi Joe, thanks for the "mention" in fact it looks like the last geomagnetic
activity has done what I hoped and after the long quiet period when levels
seem to get disappointing, has pushed the levels up to the "expected" values
again. This is confirming that totally quiet conditions are not actually the
best, and a bit of low level geomagnetic activity to keep ionisation at
optimum levels, helps.

Another coffee for me ....too early for my celebratory tipple....the red
stuff from Brian's countryside.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK


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> Hello Jean-Pierre,
>
> > frequency used by VO1NA (I read 137,777.02 Hz), so faint that I cannot
> > read something, perhaps a "N" at 0210.
> >    Was you transmitting, Joe ?
>
> You have correctly identified the culprit. That was VO1NA and it appears
> as if the oscillator has drifted up again!
> >
> >    If it is a mirage, if I was mistaken, promise you, I stop drinking
> > (McEwan's Scotch Ale, Talisker and Laphroaig single malt from Skye and
> > Islay).
> >
>
> Ahh, that's good stuff.  Have a wee nip to celebrate your copy during the
> unfavourable conditions predicted by Alan. And have one for Alan then
> one for me too!
>
> 73
> Joe
>



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Hello Jean-Pierre,

> frequency used by VO1NA (I read 137,777.02 Hz), so faint that I cannot
> read something, perhaps a "N" at 0210.
>    Was you transmitting, Joe ?

You have correctly identified the culprit. That was VO1NA and it appears
as if the oscillator has drifted up again!
>
>    If it is a mirage, if I was mistaken, promise you, I stop drinking
> (McEwan's Scotch Ale, Talisker and Laphroaig single malt from Skye and
> Islay).
>

Ahh, that's good stuff.  Have a wee nip to celebrate your copy during the
unfavourable conditions predicted by Alan. And have one for Alan then
one for me too!

73
Joe


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   As the sunspot number is higher these last ten days, I think I was the 
victim of an hallucination : I saw, last night, beginning after 0210 UTC 
and until 0315 UTC, a faint trace of a signal, on, or very near the 
frequency used by VO1NA (I read 137,777.02 Hz), so faint that I cannot 
read something, perhaps a "N" at 0210.
   Was you transmitting, Joe ?

   If it is a mirage, if I was mistaken, promise you, I stop drinking 
(McEwan's Scotch Ale, Talisker and Laphroaig single malt from Skye and 
Islay).

   Best 73 to all on the reflector !

   F5YG



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   Bonsoir Jean-Pierre, Hartmut, Warren and all !

   On my deaf and blind installations, anyway, one "J" of XGJ was seen just=
=20
after 0115z, and only traces till 0245z (137,779.8 Hz). That's all,=20
sorry...

   73 !

   F5YG

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:

>
> Hi all on the list !
>
> The last night I copy " WD2XGJ "
> with a strong static activity !
> Also copy trace of   " VO1NA"
> the captures of the night are on :
> http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
>
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Jean-Pierre,

   Thank you for the report and capture!

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: Jean-Pierre M�r� <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
> 
> Hi all on the list !
> 
> The last night I copy " WD2XGJ "
> with a strong static activity !
> Also copy trace of   " VO1NA"
> the captures of the night are on :
> http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
> 
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
> 
> 
> 
> 




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Hi all on the list !

The last night I copy " WD2XGJ "
with a strong static activity !
Also copy trace of   " VO1NA"
the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht





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On Sun, 16 Apr 2006, Hartmut Wolff wrote:

> Copied VO1NA 22:46-03:50 with overall good signal level, last night.
>
> There was no activity from US-Part 5 stations in the T/A window.
> ...
   Hello, Hartmut and all !
   Beautifull. Here only traces of VO1NA, and only from abt 2245 to 2340z.
   Best 73 and happy Eastern !

   F5YG




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Copied VO1NA 22:46-03:50 with overall good signal level, last night.

There was no activity from US-Part 5 stations in the T/A window.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm

Happy eastern to everyone!

73
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Dear Stewart and Peter, LF Group,
 
in view of LORAN-C as a complementary backup to satellite based navigation, I do not think that European interest will die away completely with the advent of Galileo, which would have the same potential failure modes as GPS (such as susceptibility to low power jamming). For timing applications, narrowband LF systems suffer from variable skywave components, which limit carrier-frequency measurements to about 1e-8 at night across a couple of 100 kms. These can be suppressed to a large extent by sampling the phase early in a Loran pulse, improving precision by at least one order of magnitude.
 
Personally, I found in LORAN a fascinating means of monitoring global LF propagation, with the ability to resolve multiple skywave propagation modes in time domain, analyse their phase evolution, or see solar disturbances (and perhaps even strong gamma ray bursters) in real time. For example, a recent ten-day observation of 58 Loran stations is on http://people.freenet.de/df6nm/LoranView/LoranView_Mar2006.htm .
 
So I would not really wish for LORAN to disappear altogether, but rather try to work towards convincing the operators that it's out-of-band emissions definitely have to be cleaned up. Technically, a transmitter filter with a passband from 90-110 kHz should be quite feasible, and finally result in an enhanced Loran system which could be called compatible to other LF users like us.
 
73 and kind regards
 
Markus, DF6NM
 
_________________________________________________
>>
From: Stewart Bryant 
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
Subject:  Re: LF: Rugby LORAN measurement? 
Date:  Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:19:02 +0100 
 ....
> I understand the Rugby site must close in a year or so and they are > looking for an alternative site for the 60kHz MSF transmitter. The > question becomes whether the LORAN transmitter will also move to that > new site or whether it will close down. The long term future of LORAN > has always seemed shakey but it doesn't look as if it will be > killed-off until there is a European second-source for satellite-based > position-finding, and that seems some years away yet. 
> 
I am not sure what is going on in Navigation circles, but in timing circles LORAN 
is being sold in the US (by the LORAN providers) as an alternative source of 
time reference/frequency reference. 
 
Contra to the US position, European service providers do not want to rely 
off-air frequency service for reference - they are very vocal on this. The 
telecomms industry is therefore persuing: synchronous ethernet, IEEE-1588, 
timing over packet and possibly NTPv5 to address this and the signs are 
that we can get to the required 10ppb using packet network technology. 
 
One can but hope that the absence of interest in LORAN by the 
telecommunications industry in Europe will limit the economic viability 
of LORAN over here and assist its early demise. 
 
73 
 
Stewart G3YSX 
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<HTML><BODY><DIV style='font-family: "Verdana"; font-size: 10pt;'><DIV>Dear Stewart and Peter,&nbsp;LF Group,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>in view of&nbsp;LORAN-C&nbsp;as a complementary backup to satellite based navigation, I do not think that European interest will&nbsp;die away completely with the advent of Galileo, which would have the same potential failure modes as GPS (such as susceptibility to low power jamming). For timing applications, narrowband LF systems suffer from&nbsp;variable skywave components, which limit carrier-frequency measurements to about 1e-8 at night&nbsp;across a couple of 100 kms. These can be suppressed to a large extent&nbsp;by sampling&nbsp;the phase early in a Loran pulse,&nbsp;improving precision by&nbsp;at least one&nbsp;order of magnitude.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Personally, I&nbsp;found in LORAN&nbsp;a fascinating&nbsp;means of monitoring global LF propagation, with&nbsp;the ability&nbsp;to resolve&nbsp;multiple skywave propagation modes in time domain,&nbsp;analyse their phase evolution,&nbsp;or see&nbsp;solar disturbances (and perhaps even strong gamma ray bursters) in real time. For example, a&nbsp;recent&nbsp;ten-day observation of 58 Loran stations is on <A href="http://people.freenet.de/df6nm/LoranView/LoranView_Mar2006.htm">http://people.freenet.de/df6nm/LoranView/LoranView_Mar2006.htm</A>&nbsp;.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>So I would&nbsp;not really wish for LORAN to disappear altogether, but rather try to work towards convincing the operators that it's out-of-band emissions definitely have to be&nbsp;cleaned up.&nbsp;Technically, a transmitter filter with a passband from 90-110 kHz should be quite feasible, and finally result in an enhanced Loran system which could be called compatible to other LF users like us.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>73 and kind regards</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Markus, DF6NM</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>_________________________________________________</DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>&gt;&gt;</DIV></DIV>
<DIV>From: Stewart Bryant <BR>To:&nbsp;<A href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> <BR>Subject:&nbsp; Re: LF: Rugby LORAN measurement? <BR>Date:&nbsp; Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:19:02 +0100&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;....<BR>&gt; I understand the Rugby site must close in a year or so and they are &gt; looking for an alternative site for the 60kHz MSF transmitter. The &gt; question becomes whether the LORAN transmitter will also move to that &gt; new site or whether it will close down. The long term future of LORAN &gt; has always seemed shakey but it doesn't look as if it will be &gt; killed-off until there is a European second-source for satellite-based &gt; position-finding, and that seems some years away yet.&nbsp;<BR>&gt;&nbsp;<BR>I am not sure what is going on in Navigation circles, but in timing circles LORAN&nbsp;<BR>is being sold in the US (by the LORAN providers) as an alternative source of&nbsp;<BR>time reference/frequency reference.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Contra to the US position, European service providers do not want to rely&nbsp;<BR>off-air frequency service for reference - they are very vocal on this. The&nbsp;<BR>telecomms industry is therefore persuing: synchronous ethernet, IEEE-1588,&nbsp;<BR>timing over packet and possibly NTPv5 to address this and the signs are&nbsp;<BR>that we can get to the required 10ppb using packet network technology.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>One can but hope that the absence of interest in LORAN by the&nbsp;<BR>telecommunications industry in Europe will limit the economic viability&nbsp;<BR>of LORAN over here and assist its early demise.&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>73&nbsp;<BR>&nbsp;<BR>Stewart G3YSX&nbsp;<BR>&lt;&lt;&nbsp;<BR></DIV><!-- end of AOLMsgPart_0_8d8c150c-de16-4113-a952-3cc9ff3cd60c --></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Hi Jay,

I just came in from doing some antenna work (a "T" with 140 ft. top, 65 =
ft. vert) and
had another look at my Wolf reception.  Here's how your Wolf 10 at 50 =
watts was
doing mid-afternoon here in Saltford on the east shore of Lake Huron:

t:2016 f: 0.146 pm:543.1 jm: 17 q: -4.6 -8.2 00P3L*KA 0QU*HZ ?
t:2112 f: 0.146 pm:556.6 jm: 17 q: -4.3 -8.1 4T2F.5SCOTJ8/PR ?
t:2208 f: 0.146 pm:568.2 jm: 17 q: -4.1 -8.2 5*LB56VYH1UVR*J ?
t:2304 f: 0.146 pm:578.8 jm: 17 q: -4.0 -7.0 00/BU7A69???/8V ?
t:2400 f: 0.146 pm:583.6 jm: 17 q: -3.8 -8.1 L6QA11B7O08A1GO ?
t:2496 f: 0.479 pm:633.1 jm:195 q: -1.3 -5.5 WD2XNS 50 WATT  -
t:2592 f: 0.479 pm:688.7 jm:195 q: -0.9 -5.1 WD2XNS 50 WATT  -
t:2688 f: 0.479 pm:728.1 jm:195 q: -0.8 -4.5 WD2XNS 50 WATT  -
t:2784 f: 0.479 pm:740.1 jm:195 q: -0.7 -4.1 WD2XNS 50 WATT  -
t:2880 f: 0.479 pm:798.5 jm:195 q: -0.4 -4.0 WD2XNS 50 WATT  -
t:2976 f: 0.479 pm:801.5 jm:195 q: -0.3 -3.5 WD2XNS 50 WATT  -
t:3072 f: 0.479 pm:815.9 jm:195 q: -0.1 -3.5 WD2XNS 50 WATT  -
t:3168 f: 0.479 pm:834.7 jm:195 q: -0.1 -3.8 WD2XNS 50 WATT  -
2006-04-15 16:18:30 >WOLF10  -r 8000 -f 422 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f: 0.673 a:-0.8 dp:100.1 ci: 9 cj: 66 ETG5TWXPWAFJ8P1 ?
t:  48 f:-0.246 a:-1.4 dp: 97.2 ci: 0 cj:402 ???MFG74A93X/YV ?
t:  96 f: 0.718 a:-0.3 dp: 93.9 ci: 3 cj: 88 1HVISI0WM*3*AQ/ ?
t: 192 f: 0.693 pm:128.8 jm:144 q:-11.5 -9.9 4FDKG9BVYZ7LGUI ?

Sure is a nice day here...no coat required.  I hope you're enjoying the =
Easter
long weekend.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Jay,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I just came in from doing some antenna =
work (a "T"=20
with 140 ft. top, 65 ft. vert) and</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>had another look at my Wolf =
reception.&nbsp; Here's=20
how your Wolf 10 at 50 watts was</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>doing mid-afternoon here in Saltford on =
the east=20
shore of Lake Huron:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>t:2016 f: 0.146 pm:543.1 jm: 17 q: -4.6 =
-8.2=20
00P3L*KA 0QU*HZ ?<BR>t:2112 f: 0.146 pm:556.6 jm: 17 q: -4.3 -8.1=20
4T2F.5SCOTJ8/PR ?<BR>t:2208 f: 0.146 pm:568.2 jm: 17 q: -4.1 -8.2=20
5*LB56VYH1UVR*J ?<BR>t:2304 f: 0.146 pm:578.8 jm: 17 q: -4.0 -7.0=20
00/BU7A69???/8V ?<BR>t:2400 f: 0.146 pm:583.6 jm: 17 q: -3.8 -8.1=20
L6QA11B7O08A1GO ?<BR>t:2496 f: 0.479 pm:633.1 jm:195 q: -1.3 -5.5 WD2XNS =
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WATT&nbsp; -<BR>t:2592 f: 0.479 pm:688.7 jm:195 q: -0.9 -5.1 WD2XNS 50=20
WATT&nbsp; -<BR>t:2688 f: 0.479 pm:728.1 jm:195 q: -0.8 -4.5 WD2XNS 50=20
WATT&nbsp; -<BR>t:2784 f: 0.479 pm:740.1 jm:195 q: -0.7 -4.1 WD2XNS 50=20
WATT&nbsp; -<BR>t:2880 f: 0.479 pm:798.5 jm:195 q: -0.4 -4.0 WD2XNS 50=20
WATT&nbsp; -<BR>t:2976 f: 0.479 pm:801.5 jm:195 q: -0.3 -3.5 WD2XNS 50=20
WATT&nbsp; -<BR>t:3072 f: 0.479 pm:815.9 jm:195 q: -0.1 -3.5 WD2XNS 50=20
WATT&nbsp; -<BR>t:3168 f: 0.479 pm:834.7 jm:195 q: -0.1 -3.8 WD2XNS 50=20
WATT&nbsp; -<BR>2006-04-15 16:18:30 &gt;WOLF10&nbsp; -r 8000 -f 422 -t =
1.0 -w=20
0.0000<BR>t:&nbsp; 24 f: 0.673 a:-0.8 dp:100.1 ci: 9 cj: 66 =
ETG5TWXPWAFJ8P1=20
?<BR>t:&nbsp; 48 f:-0.246 a:-1.4 dp: 97.2 ci: 0 cj:402 ???MFG74A93X/YV=20
?<BR>t:&nbsp; 96 f: 0.718 a:-0.3 dp: 93.9 ci: 3 cj: 88 1HVISI0WM*3*AQ/ =
?<BR>t:=20
192 f: 0.693 pm:128.8 jm:144 q:-11.5 -9.9 4FDKG9BVYZ7LGUI =
?<BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Sure is a nice day here...no coat =
required.&nbsp; I=20
hope you're enjoying the Easter</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>long weekend.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL<BR>Solar and =
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==>From the ARRL Newsletter

A BPL field trial in Cottonwood, Arizona, that drew complaints from Amateur
Radio operators from 2004 until earlier this year apparently has shut down
for good. The small system, which Mountain Telecommunications Inc (MTI)
operated under an FCC Part 5 Experimental license WD2XMB, went silent in
early March. The Part 5 license stipulates that the company "establish and
maintain" a relationship with the Verde Valley Amateur Radio Association
(VVARA), which called for the system's shutdown as recently as last
December. According to VVARA BPL Committee Chair Bob Shipton, K8EQC, MTI
initially took the system down for a firmware upgrade but subsequently told
him that it was discontinuing the experiment in Cottonwood and moving it,
possibly to the Phoenix area, where MTI is headquartered.

"There's no definitive statement from Arizona Public Service or Mountain
Telecommunications that they have stopped BPL in the state of Arizona
entirely," Shipton told ARRL this week. "It's just that they pulled out of
the Cottonwood area." 

Not only did the VVARA determine the system was generating interference on
the high end of 20 meters and elsewhere, Shipton said, the club demonstrated
that it could "break" the system's datastream while running as little as 65
watts from a mobile station.

"I think that was a bit of a surprise to them," allowed Shipton, who noted
that MTI remained helpful and lived up to its agreement to keep the VVARA in
the loop. At the same time, he said, MTI learned everything it wanted to
learn in the Cottonwood area, "and they know we're not going to let this
thing go."

According to club measurements made in cooperation with MTI, the BPL
interference in the vicinity of the system on the upper end of 20 meters was
20 dB over S9, Shipton said, and even in the middle of the band, it was S7
to S9. "On 17 meters, from 18.059 to 18.180 they were S9, on the 15 meter
band they were S7," he added.

In support of the VVARA effort, the ARRL twice asked the FCC to shut down
the Cottonwood BPL field trial for interfering with Amateur Radio
communication. The League's own testing of the Cottonwood system in the
summer of 2004 indicated "extremely high" levels of radiated RF energy on
amateur HF allocations--well in excess of the FCC Part 15 levels.

Beyond the mere fact of the RF interference, Shipton continued, was the
nature of the interference itself. "With the high-speed chipsets, the sound
is so obnoxious that you don't necessarily have to have a lot of RF strength
on an S meter to cause interference when you're trying to listen to a
station--even if it's stronger," he said, describing it as an annoying
"raspy, buzzing" noise.

In December, the VVARA filed with the FCC what Shipton characterized as an
"informal" interference report of ongoing interference on 20, 17 and 15
meters and reiterated its request that the FCC shut down the system. While
MTI's interactions with the VVARA may not have been the primary factor in
its decision to take its BPL pilot elsewhere, Shipton believes his club at
least played a role.

"We feel at least we got 'em out of Dodge--they're out of Cottonwood," he
said. "What they do in Phoenix will have to be taken up by the Phoenix
amateur operators, if they do anything."

Shipton said he believes efforts like those of the VVARA to raise the
interference issue and keep it before the public are prompting the BPL
industry to take a harder look at how to avoid the problem altogether. "The
issue of ham interference was one issue on their plate out of many, many
issues," he said.




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From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
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Hi LF,

Extended copy of "N" last night & this morning, first sighting was weak N's
from about 2240z becomming strong through the night & fade out at about
0510z.

XGJ seen from about 0215z to 0350z.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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Is VTX3 (India) still running on 18.2-used to be a solid signal here 
in ZL but not listened down there in a while.
ZL3FJ (no 'LF' or 'VLF' ears at present)

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Markus
>
> Only receiving 18.1 here at the moment...
>
> Jay
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: <MarkusVester@aol.com>
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>
> Jay,
>
> counting pixels ... well I guess the other station is on 18.6 kHz 
> not 18.5.
> Can you see something there? There are several US transmitters 
> listed as
> "inactive" on this QRG.
>
> 73 de Markus
>
> In einer eMail vom 21.04.2006 01:12:02 Westeurop�ische Sommerzeit 
> schreibt
> JRusgrove@comcast.net:
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>> How accurate are the WWLLN frequency scales? In particular does 
>> 18.5 fall
>> on 18.5?
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On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Jay Rusgrove wrote:

> After a couple day absence the lazy dog is back this morning...still 
> amazed at their signal level.
> Anyone know the antenna setup?
> ...

   Bonjour, Jay and all !

   Thank you for this information : I saw the 18.5 signal for the first 
time. It stopped between 1205 and 1206 UTC, and there is now, beginning 
just after 1208 UTC, and strong unmodulated carrier (45dB above noise 
level).

   73 ! F5YG



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After a couple day absence the lazy dog is back this morning...still amazed at their signal level.
Anyone know the antenna setup?

THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 012345"789
 THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPE OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
 THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
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Jay, W1VD



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Markus

Only receiving 18.1 here at the moment...

Jay



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Jay,

counting pixels ... well I guess the other station is on 18.6 kHz not 18.5.
Can you see something there? There are several US transmitters listed as
"inactive" on this QRG.

73 de Markus

In einer eMail vom 21.04.2006 01:12:02 Westeurop�ische Sommerzeit schreibt
JRusgrove@comcast.net:

> How accurate are the WWLLN frequency scales? In particular does 18.5 fall
> on 18.5?




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Jay,

counting pixels ... well I guess the other station is on 18.6 kHz not 18.5.=20
Can you see something there? There are several US transmitters listed as=20
"inactive" on this QRG.=20

73 de Markus

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> How accurate are the WWLLN frequency scales? In particular does 18.5 fall=20
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Hi Jay,

judging by the frequencies of other transmissions (eg. Alpha Nav, NWC=20
Australia 19.8 kHz, DHO 23.4 kHz), they seem to be better than the FFT bin w=
idth (47=20
Hz). A couple of monitors (Dunedin and Hawaii) are running at different=20
samplerates, but they have adjusted their scales accordingly. Occasionally t=
here are=20
offsets in the UTC timing, but it is often possible to overlay spectrograms=20
by matching the FSK contents. I have even tried to look for relative delays=20=
of=20
spherics, but that's pretty hopeless with 20 ms (6000 km) resolution in the=20
Fourier transformed data.

73 de Markus, DF6NM

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> How accurate are the WWLLN frequency scales? In particular does 18.5 fall=20
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judging by the frequencies of other transmissions (eg. Alpha Nav, NWC Austra=
lia 19.8 kHz, DHO 23.4 kHz), they seem to be better than the FFT bin width (=
47 Hz). A couple of monitors (Dunedin and Hawaii) are running at different s=
amplerates, but they have adjusted their scales accordingly. Occasionally th=
ere are offsets in the UTC timing, but it is often possible to overlay spect=
rograms by matching the FSK contents. I have even tried to look for relative=
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ion in the Fourier transformed data.<BR>
<BR>
73 de Markus, DF6NM<BR>
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Markus

How accurate are the WWLLN frequency scales? In particular does 18.5 =
fall on 18.5? Was sorry to see them go off yesterday morning ;~(   Was =
hoping to get a look at them during the daytime.

Jay
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: MarkusVester@aol.com=20
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  Sent: Thursday, April 20, 2006 6:54 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: 18.5 kHz in CT


  Hi Jos=E9,

  no, not really a cardioid. The cardioid symbol appears in SpecLab's =
RDF scale because I sometimes use the directional null function to =
mitigate green bands from a certain switched-mode power supply. This one =
is much stronger on the loops than on the E-field antenna, and I can =
minimize it by adding in a small portion of the H-field channel in =
antiphase (H/E-weighting =3D 0.2). For far field reception, this does =
create a small 20% asymmetry in the directional pattern.

  Re the original subject line: The test transmissions from DHO38 18.5 =
kHz ceased yesterday morning 07:00. However some of the WWLLN =
spectrograms, mostly from the pacific area, still show another FSK =
signal on that frequency. I couldn't find this one in the station =
listings, does anyone know what it is?

  73 and all the best
  Markus

  In einer eMail vom 20.04.2006 23:05:43 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit =
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    Markus , does your Grabber have a cardiod receiving pattern?


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CT</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=3Darial,helvetica><FONT lang=3D2 =
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  FAMILY=3D"SANSSERIF" PTSIZE=3D"10">Hi Jos=E9,<BR><BR>no, not really a =
cardioid. The=20
  cardioid symbol appears in SpecLab's RDF scale because I sometimes use =
the=20
  directional null function to mitigate green bands from a certain =
switched-mode=20
  power supply. This one is much stronger on the loops than on the =
E-field=20
  antenna, and I can minimize it by adding in a small portion of the =
H-field=20
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this does=20
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  original subject line: The test transmissions from DHO38 18.5 kHz =
ceased=20
  yesterday morning 07:00. However some of the WWLLN spectrograms, =
mostly from=20
  the pacific area, still show another FSK signal on that frequency. I =
couldn't=20
  find this one in the station listings, does anyone know what it =
is?<BR><BR>73=20
  and all the best<BR>Markus<BR><BR>In einer eMail vom 20.04.2006 =
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Hi Jos=E9,

no, not really a cardioid. The cardioid symbol appears in SpecLab's RDF scal=
e=20
because I sometimes use the directional null function to mitigate green band=
s=20
from a certain switched-mode power supply. This one is much stronger on the=20
loops than on the E-field antenna, and I can minimize it by adding in a smal=
l=20
portion of the H-field channel in antiphase (H/E-weighting =3D 0.2). For far=
=20
field reception, this does create a small 20% asymmetry in the directional=20
pattern.

Re the original subject line: The test transmissions from DHO38 18.5 kHz=20
ceased yesterday morning 07:00. However some of the WWLLN spectrograms, most=
ly=20
from the pacific area, still show another FSK signal on that frequency. I=20
couldn't find this one in the station listings, does anyone know what it is?

73 and all the best
Markus

In einer eMail vom 20.04.2006 23:05:43 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt=
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> Markus , does your Grabber have a cardiod receiving pattern?
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sed yesterday morning 07:00. However some of the WWLLN spectrograms, mostly=20=
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<BR>
73 and all the best<BR>
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Hello Markus and all

Markus , does your Grabber have a cardiod receiving pattern?


73 de Jos=E9, EA1PX




  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: markusvester@aol.com=20
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
  Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 5:46 PM
  Subject: Re: LF: 18.5 kHz in CT


  Hi Jay and LF,

  yes, certainly another big VLF signal, up to 10 mV/m here. And with =
truly global coverage - look at the near-realtime VLF spectrograms from =
the Worldwide Lightning Location Network: =
http://webflash.ess.washington.edu/ .

  I have posted some plots and thoughts about the remarkably different =
diurnal fading characteristics on the two DHO38 channels (23.4 vs. 18.5 =
kHz) - see http://people.freenet.de/df6nm/vlf/vlf_DHO_dualfreq.htm .

  73 and best wishes to all
  Markus, DF6NM
  =20
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Jay Rusgrove <JRusgrove@comcast.net>
  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
  Sent: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:57:00 -0400
  Subject: LF: 18.5 kHz in CT


Signal here was so strong I was skeptical...

RTTY and carrier - notice Argo signal level during carrier period!

 http://www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5kHz041806.jpg

Wasn't convinced until I later received the quick brown fox ...

http://www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5kHz041806C.jpg

and this with heavy static at 0230Z. Will check tomorrow morning when =
condx are=20
quiet.

One heck of a signal!

Jay, W1VD


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  <DIV><FONT face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">yes,&nbsp;certainly =
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  <DIV><FONT face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I have posted some =
plots and=20
  thoughts about the remarkably different diurnal fading characteristics =
on the=20
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  href=3D"http://people.freenet.de/df6nm/vlf/vlf_DHO_dualfreq.htm"><FONT =

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  <DIV><FONT face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">73 and best wishes to =

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One heck of a signal!

Jay, W1VD

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Hi Jay and LF,
 
yes, certainly another big VLF signal, up to 10 mV/m here. And with truly global coverage - look at the near-realtime VLF spectrograms from the Worldwide Lightning Location Network: http://webflash.ess.washington.edu/ .
 
I have posted some plots and thoughts about the remarkably different diurnal fading characteristics on the two DHO38 channels (23.4 vs. 18.5 kHz) - see http://people.freenet.de/df6nm/vlf/vlf_DHO_dualfreq.htm .
 
73 and best wishes to all
Markus, DF6NM
 
-----Original Message-----
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To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:57:00 -0400
Subject: LF: 18.5 kHz in CT


Signal here was so strong I was skeptical...

RTTY and carrier - notice Argo signal level during carrier period!

 http://www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5kHz041806.jpg

Wasn't convinced until I later received the quick brown fox ...

http://www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5kHz041806C.jpg

and this with heavy static at 0230Z. Will check tomorrow morning when condx are 
quiet.

One heck of a signal!

Jay, W1VD

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<DIV><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">yes,&nbsp;certainly another big VLF signal, up to&nbsp;10 mV/m here. And with truly global coverage -&nbsp;look at&nbsp;the near-realtime VLF spectrograms from the Worldwide Lightning Location Network: </FONT><A href="http://webflash.ess.washington.edu/"><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">http://webflash.ess.washington.edu/</FONT></A><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">&nbsp;.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I have posted some plots and thoughts about the remarkably different diurnal fading characteristics on the two DHO38 channels (23.4&nbsp;vs. 18.5 kHz) - see </FONT><A href="http://people.freenet.de/df6nm/vlf/vlf_DHO_dualfreq.htm"><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">http://people.freenet.de/df6nm/vlf/vlf_DHO_dualfreq.htm</FONT></A>&nbsp;.</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">73 and best wishes to all</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Markus, DF6NM</FONT></DIV><FONT face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">&nbsp;<BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: Jay Rusgrove &lt;JRusgrove@comcast.net&gt;<BR>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR>Sent: Tue, 18 Apr 2006 22:57:00 -0400<BR>Subject: LF: 18.5 kHz in CT<BR></FONT><BR>
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<DIV class=AOLPlainTextBody id=AOLMsgPart_0_c1846b99-bb81-43b5-a22b-e400aa5a526d><PRE><TT>Signal here was so strong I was skeptical...

RTTY and carrier - notice Argo signal level during carrier period!

 <A href="http://www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5kHz041806.jpg" target=_blank>http://www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5kHz041806.jpg</A>

Wasn't convinced until I later received the quick brown fox ...

<A href="http://www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5kHz041806C.jpg" target=_blank>http://www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5kHz041806C.jpg</A>

and this with heavy static at 0230Z. Will check tomorrow morning when condx are 
quiet.

One heck of a signal!

Jay, W1VD

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Signal here was so strong I was skeptical...

RTTY and carrier - notice Argo signal level during carrier period!

 http://www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5kHz041806.jpg

Wasn't convinced until I later received the quick brown fox ...

http://www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5kHz041806C.jpg

and this with heavy static at 0230Z. Will check tomorrow morning when condx are quiet.

One heck of a signal!

Jay, W1VD


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Hi Gary,

  Thanks for the report and capture. Your power failure was at a very unfortunate time, I had just commenced transmitting for the evening, and me synthesizer was still showing signs of warm up drift.


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 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> Hi Warren & LF,
> 
> Got this very strong signal captured at 0200z this morning, problem is that
> it was the final capture of the night before something (maybe a power cut)
> shut down the PC. I found it waiting for "log on" this morning.
> 
> VO1NA also seen but not as strong as this XGJ bit.
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> Regards,
> 
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
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> Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor




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Hi Warren & LF,

Got this very strong signal captured at 0200z this morning, problem is that
it was the final capture of the night before something (maybe a power cut)
shut down the PC. I found it waiting for "log on" this morning.

VO1NA also seen but not as strong as this XGJ bit.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

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Dear Dave,

During daytime I'm often in the shack.  I can  have the receiver running so 
can reply when I hear your signal. Normal CW only.  What will be your 
frequency?

73, Dick, PA0SE

At 11:42 12-4-06, you wrote:
>Dear all
>
>I shall be in New Galloway (SW Scotland) over the next few days and
>hope to put up my first "Ashlock loop" aerial. I may also put up the
>usual Marconi for comparison purposes. If anyone is around on late
>Thursday, Friday, Saturday and a bit of Sunday I would be interested
>to get as many reports as possible on whatever aerials I get working!
>(weather permitting..)
>I will have QRSS and CW capability.
>E-mail me at wireless.org.uk or this address for skeds.
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>73. Dave
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<font size=3>Dear Dave,<br><br>
During daytime I'm often in the shack.&nbsp; I can&nbsp; have the
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only.&nbsp; What will be your frequency?<br><br>
73, Dick, PA0SE<br><br>
At 11:42 12-4-06, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Dear all<br><br>
I shall be in New Galloway (SW Scotland) over the next few days and<br>
hope to put up my first &quot;Ashlock loop&quot; aerial. I may also put
up the<br>
usual Marconi for comparison purposes. If anyone is around on late<br>
Thursday, Friday, Saturday and a bit of Sunday I would be 
interested<br>
to get as many reports as possible on whatever aerials I get
working!<br>
(weather permitting..)<br>
I will have QRSS and CW capability.<br>
E-mail me at wireless.org.uk or this address for skeds.<br><br>
73. Dave<br>
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Hi Dave,

I will be listening.
Hope you get many reports about the aerials, and maybe some about 
antennas as well ;-)

73 and a happy Easter holiday in Scotland !
Wolf  DL4YHF .

Dave Pick schrieb:

>Dear all
>
>I shall be in New Galloway (SW Scotland) over the next few days and
>hope to put up my first "Ashlock loop" aerial. I may also put up the
>usual Marconi for comparison purposes. If anyone is around on late
>Thursday, Friday, Saturday and a bit of Sunday I would be interested
>to get as many reports as possible on whatever aerials I get working!
>(weather permitting..)
>I will have QRSS and CW capability.
>E-mail me at wireless.org.uk or this address for skeds.
>
>73. Dave
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Dear all

I shall be in New Galloway (SW Scotland) over the next few days and
hope to put up my first "Ashlock loop" aerial. I may also put up the
usual Marconi for comparison purposes. If anyone is around on late
Thursday, Friday, Saturday and a bit of Sunday I would be interested
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(weather permitting..)
I will have QRSS and CW capability.
E-mail me at wireless.org.uk or this address for skeds.

73. Dave
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Copied VO1NA, WD2XES and WD2XGJ. Only faint traces on the WD2XNS
frequency.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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Hi All
I am active on cw almost every day so anyone that would like a cw qso check 
the band frequently.
There are usually a few German stns about to work and OH1TN is also about 
otherwise acty from the rest of eu has dropped off.
I get swl reports from all over eu as far as 5B4, it seems there are lots of 
listeners but few transmitting, even less than a few years ago

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would like a cw qso check the band frequently.</FONT></DIV>
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about to work=20
and OH1TN&nbsp;is also about otherwise acty from the rest of eu has =
dropped off.=20
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far as 5B4,=20
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The filter passband:
F-center :	136,8 KHz
hor	   :	10 KHz/div
ver      :	10dB/div

Victor
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Dave according to HAMCALL the qrb to my qth is 1823 km KO45CN, OH1TN is 1601 
km so not a big difference in distance.
I work OH1TN frequently on CW at 579
de Mal/G3KEV

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hi, LF
>
> EW6GB just peaked to "M" copy here at 2050z (See attached screenshot, last
> bit of the "B" is missing in QSB).
>
> QRB is 2346 km, I reckon.
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dmitri
> Sent: 31 March 2006 21:36
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>
> Hi LF!
>
> EW6GB loc KO45
>
> FB "O" in ko73dg
>
> Dmitry
>
>
> 



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Hi Victor,

this Pre- Amp looks nice, but ... such a design is useless until in order to
reproduce it, all parts must be to get.

So, what are the datas for the transformer s "wit" "Geel" and "Zwart" and
from where may I get it ?

uwe, dk1kq


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Victor van kooten" <vvkooten@wanadoo.nl>
To: "blacksheep" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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> Hello all,
>
> since some months I am listening to the 136KHz band with a Icom IC761,this
> is a good HF tranceiver but on longwave it has some intermodulation
problems
> with local broadcasting stations on 675KHz and higher.To solve this I
build
> a narrowband preamp,also suitable for a whip antenna.Enclosed the
circuit,a
> picture of the filter shape follows.
> B-3 dB : 3  KHz
> B-60dB : 28 KHz
> No more IM problems on any receiver I use.To compensate for the gain on
the
> 50 Ohm input I use the 20 dB attentuator on the IC761.
>
> Greetings,
>
> Victor
> PA3FNY
>



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EA4BVZ signal still strong here in north west UK at IO83qp. Captured at
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To all members of the rsgb_lf_group:

I have received the request shown below. My antenna is down at 
present, so I am off the air for a week or so, but perhaps one of you 
can help with a sked/beacon transmission. Perhaps one of the VE 
stations could help, too.

Mike, G3XDV
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Hello Mike

A friend of mine called Jay (YV1JA in Yucon) is trying to arrange a
sked on 137khz with a uk station.

I looked at LF in RadComm and saw your callsign, I hope you don't 
mind
me contacting you.

If your interested would you email Jay vy1ja@northwestel.net he will
be pleased to hear from you. Thanks Mike G0HIO


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Steve,

Thanks for the clarification on dates. Just stating the UTC times and 
dates is much simpler than dealing with "evenings" and "nights" on a 
project like this.

John Andrews


Steve McDonald wrote:

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>>WD2XNS will be off the air April 4, 5 and 6 for the ZM2E / VA7LF / R6L
>>    
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>tests. Good luck to the
>  
>
>>participants and monitoring stations!
>>    
>>
>
>Jay - just to clarify...the overnight tests with ZM2E begin late on Monday,
>Tuesday & Wednesday night (4th-6th UTC). If we get the antenna work finished
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>play with here before sunset in ZL.
>
> I  will keep the list posted.
>
>Off to work on the antenna...at least the wind and rain have stopped!
>
>73 / Steve / VE7SL
>
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> WD2XNS will be off the air April 4, 5 and 6 for the ZM2E / VA7LF / R6L
tests. Good luck to the
> participants and monitoring stations!

Jay - just to clarify...the overnight tests with ZM2E begin late on Monday,
Tuesday & Wednesday night (4th-6th UTC). If we get the antenna work finished
today, we may be on tonight in some capacity....beaconing...cross-band
work..?? On the three sked nights, we will have about 3 hours of darkness to
play with here before sunset in ZL.

 I  will keep the list posted.

Off to work on the antenna...at least the wind and rain have stopped!

73 / Steve / VE7SL



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Re: LF: Devoid of signalsMove to EU especially eastern eu or Russia, a new 
station starts up every week, no red tape there.
de G3KEV

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mitch Powell
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  Sent: Sunday, April 02, 2006 1:22 AM
  Subject: Re: LF: Devoid of signals





    Hello fellows,

    Have I got receiver problems or has everyone stopped transmitting?
    I've seen nothing all day Saturday, including the dependable "MP"!
    There hasn't been much activity on the two reflectors either.

    73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
    Solar and wind powered

  EN93dr
  Sorry about that  J.B. - Evidently RAC in their wisdom, and the IC  have
  decided not to renew my LF license for the up-coming year. Ran out - Mar 
31st -
  and though I had requested renewal - there has been no reply...... so I
  am reluctantly shut down.
  There will not be a station in Ontario - or actually between BC and NFld
  for the first time in five years.  Sorry to report that - but evidently 
they are not
  encouraging any further operations.   I believe there are various levels 
of
  red tape and bureaucracy that did not exist over the past five years, and
  so most probably the request sits "in committee" somewhere.

  Would you give me a quick check on 185300.9 - running 1000  milliwattwatts 
to the loop.

  I apologize for the "missing signal" but I have dismantled the station on 
137 kHz.

  73

  Mitch VE3OT

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Hello fellows,
 
Have I got receiver problems or has everyone stopped transmitting?
I've seen nothing all day Saturday, including the dependable "MP"!
There hasn't been much activity on the two reflectors either.
 
73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
EN93dr
Sorry about that  J.B. - Evidently RAC in their wisdom, and the IC  have
decided not to renew my LF license for the up-coming year. Ran out - Mar
31st - 
and though I had requested renewal - there has been no reply...... so I
am reluctantly shut down.
There will not be a station in Ontario - or actually between BC and NFld
for the first time in five years.  Sorry to report that - but evidently they
are not
encouraging any further operations.   I believe there are various levels of
red tape and bureaucracy that did not exist over the past five years, and
so most probably the request sits "in committee" somewhere.

Would you give me a quick check on 185300.9 - running 1000  milliwattwatts
to the loop.

I apologize for the "missing signal" but I have dismantled the station on
137 kHz.

73

Mitch VE3OT 


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There hasn't been much activity on the two reflectors either.<BR>
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<FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL<BR>
Solar and wind powered<BR>
</FONT></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE><FONT SIZE=3D"2"><FONT FACE=3D"Arial">EN93dr<BR>
Sorry about that &nbsp;J.B. - Evidently RAC in their wisdom, and the IC &nb=
sp;have<BR>
decided not to renew my LF license for the up-coming year. Ran out - Mar 31=
st - <BR>
and though I had requested renewal - there has been no reply...... so I<BR>
am reluctantly shut down.<BR>
There will not be a station in Ontario - or actually between BC and NFld<BR=
>
for the first time in five years. &nbsp;Sorry to report that - but evidentl=
y they are not<BR>
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Hello fellows,

Have I got receiver problems or has everyone stopped transmitting?
I've seen nothing all day Saturday, including the dependable "MP"!
There hasn't been much activity on the two reflectors either.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
EN93dr


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Walter:

Surely the problem you describe, of interference between HBG and LORAN, was 
the result of the (clean) HBG signal on 75kHz getting into the (too-wide) 
passband of the airborne LORAN receivers.  The solution to that should have 
been a better LORAN receiver filter that rejected 75kHz. I imagine that was 
the solution at the time.

What we would all like to see is a better LORAN transmit spectrum. It is 
very difficult to understand how LORAN is allowed to escape the usually very 
strict specifications on unwanted emissions that are applied everywhere else 
in the radiocommunication industry. The LORAN transmitter is the last 
remaining application of the spark transmitter, in which the antenna is 
effectively shock-excited by a fast-rise pulse. Everywhere else in radio the 
spark transmitter is kept in it's proper place - a glass case in a museum. 
On 100kHz we are told that this is essential modern technology.

It wouldn't be a dificult task to fit them with bandpass filters. The high 
power figures shouldn't frighten us into thinking that it can't be done. The 
duty cycle of a LORAN transmitter is about 1% so a filter for a 1MW LORAN 
transmitter isn't a difficult prospect.  The simple answer is that no-one 
cares any more about the LF bands. Maybe soon they will just declare that 
the radio spectrum stops at 150kHz. Think of the savings that could be made 
world-wide - no more need for mains filters on switchmode power supplies!

73
Peter
 



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Don't know about Loran interfering with MSF but back in the 60's when we =
were experimenting with early Loran-C we had a lot of trouble with HBN =
75 kHz causing synchronous intereference to Loran. With the analogue =
3rd-cycle detectors we used then it destroyed 3rd-cycle selection if we =
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Hi all,

Further to the bulletin from Steve VE7SL, I can confirm that planning is =
well under way for attempting DX QSOs from ZM2E at Quartz Hill with =
VA7LF and R6L.  We are catering for 4, 5 and 6 April.

The ZL night begins with trying to work VA7LF, between ZL sunset at =
nominally 0602 UTC and VE7 sunrise at nominally 1350 UTC.  Then comes =
RU6 sunset at nominally 1552 UTC and the dark path ends with ZL sunrise =
at 1844 UTC.  So operationally is a "long night" from a ZM2E point of =
view.

Frequencies for working VA7LF are 137.7890/137.7886 kHz, and we will =
start with beacon testing with regular 10 or 15 minute overs with Z or V =
at FSK90 till we confirm propagation is good enough to go to QSO mode =
and send a full call sign.  We are still finalising our preferences for =
beacon mode initial transmission so it is not possible to give an =
outline of which station will be on at a given time.

Frequencies for working R6L are 137.7886/137.7882 kHz (0.4 Hz lower that =
for VA7LF to avoid QRM lines in RU6).

For those who were unaware of alternative developments at Quartz Hill, =
there is now a very uncertain future for radio activities as resource =
consent has been granted for a West Wind turbine farm, the biggest =
planned in New Zealand, with 70 turbines and 3 MW per turbine (yes, the =
radio club can confirm there is a lot of wind at ZL6QH, antenna =
maintenance is quite a challenge).  The wind farm plans have turbines on =
ridge lines over a wide area, but includes all of the Quartz Hill site, =
consequently antennas would need to be removed to facilitate building =
the wind farm.  Appeals to resource consent have yet to be heard but =
there is known to be a lot of supporters for the wind farm project.  For =
those interested in the wind farm development, a link is:
http://www.meridianenergy.co.nz/WindProjects/news/west+wind+consent+grant=
ed.htm=20

We happen to have experienced relatively poor propagation at the few =
times selected for LF DX attempts over the last year, so there is a =
certain anxiety at ZM2E as to whether we can do better this coming week, =
as we are likely running out of opportunites at Quartz Hill.

73, Bob ZL2CA =20

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Further to the&nbsp;bulletin from Steve =
VE7SL, I=20
can confirm that planning is well under way for attempting DX QSOs from =
ZM2E at=20
Quartz Hill with VA7LF and R6L.&nbsp; We are catering for 4, 5 and 6=20
April.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The ZL night begins with trying to work =
VA7LF,=20
between ZL sunset at nominally 0602 UTC and VE7 sunrise at nominally =
1350=20
UTC.&nbsp; Then comes RU6 sunset at nominally 1552 UTC and the dark path =
ends=20
with ZL sunrise at 1844 UTC.&nbsp; So operationally is a "long night" =
from a=20
ZM2E point of view.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Frequencies for working VA7LF are =
137.7890/137.7886=20
kHz, and we will start with beacon testing with regular 10 or 15 minute =
overs=20
with Z or V at FSK90 till we confirm propagation is good enough to go to =
QSO=20
mode and send a full call sign.&nbsp; We are still finalising our =
preferences=20
for beacon mode initial transmission so it is not possible to give an =
outline of=20
which station will be on at a given time.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Frequencies for working R6L are =
137.7886/137.7882=20
kHz (0.4 Hz lower that for VA7LF to avoid QRM lines in =
RU6).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>For those who were unaware of =
alternative=20
developments at Quartz Hill, there is now a very uncertain future for =
radio=20
activities as resource consent has been granted for a West =
Wind&nbsp;turbine=20
farm, the biggest&nbsp;planned in New Zealand, with 70 turbines and 3 MW =
per=20
turbine (yes, the radio club can confirm&nbsp;there is a lot of wind at =
ZL6QH,=20
antenna maintenance is quite a challenge).&nbsp; The wind farm plans =
have=20
turbines on ridge lines over a wide area, but includes all of the Quartz =
Hill=20
site, consequently antennas would need to be removed to facilitate =
building the=20
wind farm. &nbsp;Appeals to resource consent have yet to be heard but =
there is=20
known to be a lot of supporters for the wind farm =
project.&nbsp;&nbsp;For those=20
interested in the wind farm development, a link is:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2><A=20
href=3D"http://www.meridianenergy.co.nz/WindProjects/news/west+wind+conse=
nt+granted.htm">http://www.meridianenergy.co.nz/WindProjects/news/west+wi=
nd+consent+granted.htm</A></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>We happen to have experienced =
relatively poor=20
propagation&nbsp;at the few times selected&nbsp;for LF DX attempts over =
the last=20
year, so there is&nbsp;a certain anxiety at ZM2E as to whether we can do =
better=20
this coming week, as we are likely running out of opportunites at Quartz =

Hill.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73, Bob ZL2CA&nbsp; </FONT></DIV>
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Hello Dave

Is your tuned loop with or without preamplif. ?

73 , Joze S52AB ,  JN75OU
----- Original Message -----
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> Hello, Jose, LF,
>
> This signal captured from you this evening (see screenshot) I'm using a
1,3m
> tuned loop "beaming" towards the east, so you are in the null of the
> antenna. Even so, you were "M" to "O" copy. No sign of Reino tonight.
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Jose Manuel
> Sent: 12 April 2006 23:33
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>
>
> Hi Hartmut and all
>
> Thanks for very nice report, I.m very glad, because I�ve just had QSO with
> Reino, OH1TN,  who is 2896 km away!
>
> 73 de Jos�, EA1PX, IN53ti
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hartmut Wolff" <wolff.h@t-online.de>
> To: "Jose Manuel" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:35 PM
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>
>
> > Jos�,
> > great signal here in Germany. See attachment.
> >
> > 73
> > Hartmut
> > www.h-wolff.de
> > Locator: JO52hp
> >
> >
> >
> >> Hi all
> >
> >> I�m calling on 137705-QRSS3, any report is welcome.
> >
> >> 73 de Jos�, EA1PX, IN53ti
>
>
>



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   Bonjour Jean-Pierre and all !

   Here, nothing received, I tried to monitore the 137,776.5 - 137,781.5 Hz=
=20
area, but with no success as the statics was too strong : three=20
thunderstorms during the night, but that's an occupational hazard, isn't=20
it ?

On Mon, 24 Apr 2006, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:

>
> Hi all on the list !
>
> The last night , I not "logger"
> because strong local storm !
>
> **
> 73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
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Hi all on the list !
 
The last night , I not "logger"
because strong local storm !

**
73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
 



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Andy and Peter,

    thanks for the explanations. I didn't know the coding of the Rugby pulses. so mine was just a guess. Now everything 
is clear.

TNX es 73  Alberto  I2PHD



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I'd just like to follow-up Peter's comments re use of his recently developed
program to measure SNR as I am keen to get some measurements of the effect
of the Rugby transmitter in order to follow-up RSGB's contact with Trinity
House.  Peter's measurement and that of Alan's are a good step forward,
however, a few more measurements, properly carried out, could prove useful.
We have to be careful, though, as the measurement is SNR and not field
strength, and thus very dependent on the actual noise floor level at the
measurement site. Unfortunatly, although I've got Peter's program the noise
level is extremely high at my QTH, which even makes calibrating his program
at 100kHz (or 98.3kHz to be precise) difficult!  My efforts to do something
/P has so far been thwarted....

Grateful for any reports of SNR

73 John, G3WKL






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>From G3PLX:

When Rugby LORAN failed to shut down last Tuesday, it occured to me that I 
could adapt my coherent locking program to measure the LORAN SNR even while 
LORAN was transmitting. I measured -5dB, that is, LORAN (from Rugby) is 5dB 
below the noise level (without LORAN). G3NYK also tried it and gets -2dB. He 
is closer to Rugby than I am.

This morning I noticed that Rugby LORAN went off between 10:15 and 10:45 
utc, and during that gap I measured the noise level, and again when it came 
back on. The difference was 1.2dB, which agrees with the above measurement 
of the LORAN and the noise separately.

I am not sure that it would be easy to do a large-scale survey of LORAN 
noise levels with my program because it's not easy to set up, and there will 
be a large variation in the noise levels at different locations, but if 
anyone would like to experiment with the program I wrote to do it, contact 
me off the reflector. It needs an ordinary PC with a good quality soundcard, 
and a 136kHz receiver with good frequency stability.

73
Peter 



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Alberto:

Yes, I think you are right. Most of the pulses are 100mS duration, and the 
spectrum of a 10% duty cycle pulse does have a missing 10th (20th, 30th..) 
harmonic. Some of the pulses are 200mS. The spectrum of a 20% duty cycle 
pulse has missing 5th,10th, 15th harmonics, so in both cases the 10Hz 
sideband is missing. Once per minute there is a 300mS pulse which will not 
give a complete null at 10Hz.

73

Peter G3PLX



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The pulses have a width of either 100, 200 or 300us.  The time/date  is =
carried by pulse width mod :100ms =3D 0,  200ms =3D 1,  with a framing =
code at the 52 - 59 second interval of '01111110'.  Parity checks and =
DUT info are carried in a 'second level' pulse during the framing code, =
so some of the pulses are extended from 200 to 300ms.  The seconds =
marker is 500ms long.

So...
Your answer is that all pulses are a multiple of 1/ (10Hz) hence there =
is a  sin(x) /x  pattern is based on 10Hz and 5Hz convolved with the 1Hz =
PRF

Andy  G4JNT
www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/

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  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org=20
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  Subject: Re: LF: Rugby LORAN measurement?


  Peter Martinez wrote:=20
The design of an MSF receiver, intended to recover the carrier frequency =
to=20
any great accuracy, needs to be able to reject the existing 'unwanted'=20
signals either side of the carrier. These are only about 15dB down and =
at=20
+/-1Hz. I am referring to the 1 sec timing pulses (gaps).
[snipJust for fun I displayed the spectrum of Rugby 60 kHz as received =
here, shifted to 1000 Hz :



  My question is : why is the sideband corresponding to the tenth =
harmonic of the 1pps pulse almost zero ? Does this depend on the =
specific duty cycle of the modulating pulses ?
  Just curious...

  73  Alberto  I2PHD
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>The pulses have a width of either 100, =
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300us.&nbsp; The time/date &nbsp;is carried by pulse width mod =
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carried in a 'second level' pulse during the framing code, so some of =
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>So...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Your answer is that all pulses are a =
multiple of 1/=20
(10Hz) hence there is a &nbsp;sin(x) /x&nbsp; pattern is based on 10Hz =
and 5Hz=20
convolved with the 1Hz PRF</FONT></DIV>
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at=20
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Peter Martinez wrote:
<blockquote cite="mid001801c65c74$4b275b30$0300a8c0@LAPTOP" type="cite">
  <pre wrap="">The design of an MSF receiver, intended to recover the carrier frequency to 
any great accuracy, needs to be able to reject the existing 'unwanted' 
signals either side of the carrier. These are only about 15dB down and at 
+/-1Hz. I am referring to the 1 sec timing pulses (gaps).
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Just for fun I displayed the spectrum of Rugby 60 kHz as received here,
shifted to 1000 Hz :<br>
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My question is : why is the sideband corresponding to the tenth
harmonic of the 1pps pulse almost zero ? Does this depend on the
specific duty cycle of the modulating pulses ?<br>
Just curious...<br>
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73&nbsp; Alberto&nbsp; I2PHD<br>
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Dear John, Stewart, LF Group,

I still have some .wav file recordings of the Rugby Loran TX starting up =
in
the mornings during their commissioning period last year, which gives a
direct "before and after" comparison. I think I have sent some of these
before to people on the reflector, but can do so again if anyone is
interested. Obviously they are quite big files. I recall that, using an =
RMS
voltmeter to measure the IF output of the receiver (with AGC off), the
increase in noise level with the Loran TX on was 15dB. This was using a =
loop
oriented to null out the Lessay Loran, which also approximately =
maximises
the signal from Rugby at my QTH. With an omni-directional vertical =
antenna,
the corresponding increase in noise when Rugby switched on was only =
about
9dB, due to the presence of considerable noise from Lessay. The actual
effect of this QRM on aural CW, PSK, etc., might be different than the =
power
ratios of course, and would also be affected by RX AGC or limiting, or =
noise
blankers and so on.

As far as the amount of error caused by low-level Loran interference at
frequencies close to the MSF carrier goes, I think the situation is a =
bit
like that of FM with an interfering signal - if we have two sine waves, =
V1
the wanted signal and V2 a smaller unwanted signal at nearly the same
frequency, then since the frequencies are different, the vector sum of =
the
wanted and interfering signals produces a resultant which is basically =
the
wanted signal with a small phase "wobble" at the difference frequency. =
The
peak instantaneous phase error will occur when the wanted and =
interfering
signals are in phase quadrature, and will be +/- arctan(V2/V1), which is
nearly +/-V2/V1 radians when V2 is small. This amounts to about +/-0.02
degrees for -70dB QRM level, about +/-1 nanosecond at 60kHz. The average
phase error would be zero, so averaging over a long period would reduce =
the
effect on this error on the frequency comparison. I expect other factors
would result in more than 1ns of jitter (the antenna moving 30cm in the
breeze, for instance!), so I guess a precision frequency standard based =
on
MSF would have to use long integrating periods in any case.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

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The issue that I have with this is trying to figure out is how to=20
convert the
voltage and amplitude of the interference into a time error. 70db is=20
1e-7 power and
only 3e-3 voltage. This seems big compared to 5e-11.

This clearly needs some more thought.





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Peter

Peter Martinez wrote:

> Stuart:
>
> The design of an MSF receiver, intended to recover the carrier 
> frequency to any great accuracy, needs to be able to reject the 
> existing 'unwanted' signals either side of the carrier. These are only 
> about 15dB down and at +/-1Hz. I am referring to the 1 sec timing 
> pulses (gaps). 

Building a narrow band filter is only one way of doing this.

Some receivers - for example the Decca MSF design - use a coherent 
technique.
They know when the is due pulse and put the phase comparitor into 
holdover for the
duration of the pulse.

Indeed if you are trying to get time and frequency out of the same 
receiver you have
to open up the bandwidth enough to resolve the pulses, and then the coherent
mechanism is probably more attractive than the ultra-narrow filter method.

> The disturbance from this 1Hz source has to be attenuated by a very 
> large amount if it isn't to affect the output of the frequency 
> standard. If we suppose that MSF receivers in service can achieve 
> this, they shouldn't suffer any problem from unwanted products which 
> are somewhat further away, at 6 and 8Hz, and are already a long way 
> down. I cannot detect them here which probably means they are more 
> than 70dB down.

The issue that I have with this is trying to figure out is how to 
convert the
voltage and amplitude of the interference into a time error. 70db is 
1e-7 power and
only 3e-3 voltage. This seems big compared to 5e-11.

This clearly needs some more thought.

> I know it would be nice to be rid of the LORAN interference, but this 
> line of reasoning may not be a means to that end, and in any case it 
> wouldn't help amateurs close to the other LORAN transmitters. 

I was certainly told by NPL at ITSF 2005 that they did not know whether 
there
was an effect or not, and that there was some concern that users near the
LORAN transmitter might not be getting the expected accuracy from the MSF
service. Hence my line of reasoning.

> I understand the Rugby site must close in a year or so and they are 
> looking for an alternative site for the 60kHz MSF transmitter. The 
> question becomes whether the LORAN transmitter will also move to that 
> new site or whether it will close down. The long term future of LORAN 
> has always seemed shakey but it doesn't look as if it will be 
> killed-off until there is a European second-source for satellite-based 
> position-finding, and that seems some years away yet.
>
I am not sure what is going on in Navigation circles, but in timing 
circles LORAN
is being sold in the US (by the LORAN providers) as an alternative 
source of
time reference/frequency reference.

Contra to the US position, European service providers do not want to rely
off-air frequency service for reference - they are very vocal on this. The
telecomms industry is therefore persuing: synchronous ethernet, IEEE-1588,
timing over packet and possibly NTPv5 to address this and the signs are
that we can get to the required 10ppb using packet network technology.

One can but hope that the absence of interest in LORAN by the
telecommunications industry in Europe will limit the economic viability
of LORAN over here and assist its early demise.

73

Stewart G3YSX

> 73


> Peter G3PLX
>
>> The accuracy of MSF is 2 parts in 10E12, so systematic interference 
>> even a long long way down
>> may well  have an effect. It will depend on the design of the 
>> receiver and whether it has a front
>> end filter that has high rejection at +6Hz, -8Hz, but prior to the 
>> LORAN transmitter.
>
>
>
>
>


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Stuart:

The design of an MSF receiver, intended to recover the carrier frequency to 
any great accuracy, needs to be able to reject the existing 'unwanted' 
signals either side of the carrier. These are only about 15dB down and at 
+/-1Hz. I am referring to the 1 sec timing pulses (gaps). The disturbance 
from this 1Hz source has to be attenuated by a very large amount if it isn't 
to affect the output of the frequency standard. If we suppose that MSF 
receivers in service can achieve this, they shouldn't suffer any problem 
from unwanted products which are somewhat further away, at 6 and 8Hz, and 
are already a long way down. I cannot detect them here which probably means 
they are more than 70dB down.

I know it would be nice to be rid of the LORAN interference, but this line 
of reasoning may not be a means to that end, and in any case it wouldn't 
help amateurs close to the other LORAN transmitters. I understand the Rugby 
site must close in a year or so and they are looking for an alternative site 
for the 60kHz MSF transmitter. The question becomes whether the LORAN 
transmitter will also move to that new site or whether it will close down. 
The long term future of LORAN has always seemed shakey but it doesn't look 
as if it will be killed-off until there is a European second-source for 
satellite-based position-finding, and that seems some years away yet.

73
Peter G3PLX

>The accuracy of MSF is 2 parts in 10E12, so systematic interference even a 
>long long way down
>may well  have an effect. It will depend on the design of the receiver and 
>whether it has a front
>end filter that has high rejection at +6Hz, -8Hz, but prior to the LORAN 
>transmitter.



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Peter Martinez wrote:

>> From G3PLX:
>
>
> I don't think the presence of the spurious emission (near 60kHz) from 
> the LORAN transmitter would cause any trouble to MSF itself. A quick 
> calculation says that the nearest spurii from the Rugby LORAN 
> transmitter to the MSF transmission would be respectively 8.9139804 Hz 
> low and 5.94265 Hz high of 60kHz, and probably a long long way down on 
> the main 60kHz carrier.

The accuracy of MSF is 2 parts in 10E12, so systematic interference even 
a long long way down
may well  have an effect. It will depend on the design of the receiver 
and whether it has a front
end filter that has high rejection at +6Hz, -8Hz, but prior to the LORAN 
transmitter.

- Stewart G3YSX


>


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>From G3PLX:

I don't think the presence of the spurious emission (near 60kHz) from the 
LORAN transmitter would cause any trouble to MSF itself. A quick calculation 
says that the nearest spurii from the Rugby LORAN transmitter to the MSF 
transmission would be respectively 8.9139804 Hz low and 5.94265 Hz high of 
60kHz, and probably a long long way down on the main 60kHz carrier.

Of course that doesn't say that there isn't some disturbance from the LORAN 
transmitter to the MSF transmitter due to non-linear effects arising because 
of the proximity of the two transmitters to each other. The NPL people might 
be more worried about that than the far-off sidebands which bother us up 
here. But if there were effects like this, the solution wouldn't help us at 
all.

73
Peter



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If you are doing measurements....

I went to a conference on time and frequency measurement last year
and one comment I got from someone at NPL was that they were unsure
whether the LORAN TX was impacting the precision frequency reference
at 60KHz. They say that they do not have the resources to do the
measurements.

It would be interesting if we could determine whether the LORAN
TX was having any impact the ability to MSF and Drotwich as
precision frequency references.

If we could demonstrate an effect we would probably get support
from NPL in making a case against the LORAN TX.

- Stewart G3YSX



Peter Martinez wrote:

>> From Peter G3PLX:
>
>
> No, I didn't see it go off either.  The first Tuesday in the month is 
> documented as the Rugby maintenance period, but perhaps the grass 
> didn't need cutting this month because the weather has been so cold.
>
> I have written a little program which will measure the SNR of the 
> LORAN signal on 137kHz, by comparing the amplitude of the 
> signal-plus-noise to the amplitude of the filtered and smoothed LORAN 
> pulse alone.It can be done at any time and doesn't need to wait for 
> them to turn it off and on.   The program requires that the soundcard 
> and the receiver frequency should be accurately calibrated, but the 
> tools for doing this are contained within the program, using the LORAN 
> signal itself as a timing and frequency standard. I need to do some 
> beta tests first, then I will be asking for volunteers to use it to 
> measure the LORAN SNR at various places around the UK and NW Europe. 
> The results can be passed to John G3WKL and will be useful in any 
> campaign to get something done about the LORAN interference on 137kHz.
>
> 73
> Peter
>
>
>
>


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Dave, thanks for trying.  My travelling didn't happen so I was around =
today
after all, however, as we now know the signal didn't switch off. =20

My thanks to Peter for developing a special piece of software to help =
out on
this one, and also in anticipation to those prepare to use the program =
and
send me some results.  Hopefully, all will be ready soon.

73 John, G3WKL

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>=20
> Well I was all ready with my MV61 and receiver with AGC=20
> disabled, waiting for Rugby to go off but it didn't... not=20
> when I was watching anyway!
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> --
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Hi Peter (and Dave) I dont recollect there being an "off" quite so often
these days. The only have 3 of the twelve mast still up so maybe they only
need 3 offs a year instead of twelve :-))

I would be happy to run the LORAN-C field strength s/w from here, out on the
East Coast, Peter. I do get reasonable clear waterfall pictures during the
day if the weather is good (the old 'uns are out in the garden, and not
watching Countdown !!) I am running Win98SE, if that is acceptable.
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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> From Peter G3PLX:
>
> No, I didn't see it go off either.  The first Tuesday in the month is
> documented as the Rugby maintenance period, but perhaps the grass didn't
> need cutting this month because the weather has been so cold.
>
> I have written a little program which will measure the SNR of the LORAN
> signal on 137kHz, by comparing the amplitude of the signal-plus-noise to
the
> amplitude of the filtered and smoothed LORAN pulse alone.It can be done at
> any time and doesn't need to wait for them to turn it off and on.   The
> program requires that the soundcard and the receiver frequency should be
> accurately calibrated, but the tools for doing this are contained within
the
> program, using the LORAN signal itself as a timing and frequency standard.
> I need to do some beta tests first, then I will be asking for volunteers
to
> use it to measure the LORAN SNR at various places around the UK and NW
> Europe. The results can be passed to John G3WKL and will be useful in any
> campaign to get something done about the LORAN interference on 137kHz.
>
> 73
> Peter
>
>



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>From Peter G3PLX:

No, I didn't see it go off either.  The first Tuesday in the month is 
documented as the Rugby maintenance period, but perhaps the grass didn't 
need cutting this month because the weather has been so cold.

I have written a little program which will measure the SNR of the LORAN 
signal on 137kHz, by comparing the amplitude of the signal-plus-noise to the 
amplitude of the filtered and smoothed LORAN pulse alone.It can be done at 
any time and doesn't need to wait for them to turn it off and on.   The 
program requires that the soundcard and the receiver frequency should be 
accurately calibrated, but the tools for doing this are contained within the 
program, using the LORAN signal itself as a timing and frequency standard. 
I need to do some beta tests first, then I will be asking for volunteers to 
use it to measure the LORAN SNR at various places around the UK and NW 
Europe. The results can be passed to John G3WKL and will be useful in any 
campaign to get something done about the LORAN interference on 137kHz.

73
Peter



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Sorry John, I don't know the times, but I seem to recall seeing a =
posting
from someone on this reflector recently alluding to the "usual first =
Tuesday
in the month" maintenance at Rugby, also known as the 73kHz activity =
period!

73 John, G3WKL (currently /F also)


> Do you know the time of day when there will be a break,=20
> please?  I do not expect to notice it in Burgundy but would=20
> like to see if I'm wrong.
>=20
> 73
> John F/G3PAI
>=20




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Hello Joze, LF,

My loop is tuned and balanced with respect to ground. I use a push-pull
preamplifier with two J310 fets, and two bipolar transistors to feed the
coax cable back to the shack. The design was taken from G3LDO's book "The
Low frequency experimenter's handbook" (fig 2.16 on page 30). The schematic
may also be available on the internet, somewhere.

The RX is an ICOM IC-PR1000, which is quite a good RX but is useless at 137
kHz without the pre-amp.

73 Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Joze Konda
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Hello Dave

Is your tuned loop with or without preamplif. ?

73 , Joze S52AB ,  JN75OU
----- Original Message -----
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> Hello, Jose, LF,
>
> This signal captured from you this evening (see screenshot) I'm using a
1,3m
> tuned loop "beaming" towards the east, so you are in the null of the
> antenna. Even so, you were "M" to "O" copy. No sign of Reino tonight.
>
> 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Jose Manuel
> Sent: 12 April 2006 23:33
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> Subject: Re: LF: CQ EA1PX
>
>
> Hi Hartmut and all
>
> Thanks for very nice report, I.m very glad, because I�ve just had QSO with
> Reino, OH1TN,  who is 2896 km away!
>
> 73 de Jos�, EA1PX, IN53ti
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hartmut Wolff" <wolff.h@t-online.de>
> To: "Jose Manuel" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 11:35 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: CQ EA1PX
>
>
> > Jos�,
> > great signal here in Germany. See attachment.
> >
> > 73
> > Hartmut
> > www.h-wolff.de
> > Locator: JO52hp
> >
> >
> >
> >> Hi all
> >
> >> I�m calling on 137705-QRSS3, any report is welcome.
> >
> >> 73 de Jos�, EA1PX, IN53ti
>
>
>






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After monitored the EU activity on 137.7 kHz I forgot to switch the
antenna back from 350� to 310� the usual direction here for monitoring
T/A signals. So signal levels were a few dB lower and the noise a bit
higher last night. Copied XNS, XGJ, XES and NA.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut



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Zitat von Joan Morros <ea3fxf@lleida.org>:

>
> Hi,
>
> Manolo Santos, EA4BVZ, Tx attempts, this coming weekend.
>
> Start: Saturday, 00:00 GMT
> Finish: Sunday, 24:00 GMT
> Frequency:137.253 kHz
> Mode: dot30
> Antenna: 10 m. high umbrella with extended isolation / one Ampere drain
>
> Raports will be wellcome
>
> Juan, EA3FXF
>
>
Holla Juan,
137.253008468kHz es ocupado de LORAN-C Lessay.
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Hi,

Manolo Santos, EA4BVZ, Tx attempts, this coming weekend.

Start: Saturday, 00:00 GMT
Finish: Sunday, 24:00 GMT
Frequency:137.253 kHz
Mode: dot30
Antenna: 10 m. high umbrella with extended isolation / one Ampere drain

Raports will be wellcome

Juan, EA3FXF

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   Bonjour Jean-Pierre and all !

   Here, traces of W2XGJ from abt 0030 to 0130 UTC.

   Best 73 !

   F5YG

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:

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> Hi all on the list !
> The last night Good copy:
> WD2XGJ > 00:30 to 03:00
> VO1NA  > 00:30 to 03:30
> the captures of the night are on :
> http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
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> 73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
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Hi all on the list !
The last night Good copy:
WD2XGJ > 00:30 to 03:00
VO1NA  > 00:30 to 03:30
the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht






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Hi Jay,

I started Wolf early in the evening and by 10:00 pm EDST I had negative =
copy
of your signals, so I re-aimed my loop before going to bed.  Here's what =
I saw
upon checking this morning:

t:1824 f: 0.488 pm:583.2 jm: 68 q: -1.7 -5.3 WD2XNS 100 WATT -
t:1920 f: 0.488 pm:614.7 jm: 68 q: -1.4 -4.8 WD2XNS 100 WATT -
t:2016 f: 0.488 pm:640.7 jm: 68 q: -1.1 -4.4 WD2XNS 100 WATT -
t:2112 f: 0.488 pm:651.4 jm: 68 q: -1.0 -4.5 WD2XNS 100 WATT -
t:2208 f: 0.488 pm:662.7 jm: 68 q: -1.2 -4.9 WD2XNS 100 WATT -
t:2304 f: 0.488 pm:664.9 jm: 68 q: -1.0 -5.3 WD2XNS 100 WATT -
t:2400 f: 0.488 pm:679.4 jm: 68 q: -1.0 -5.3 WD2XNS 100 WATT -
t:2496 f: 0.488 pm:681.6 jm: 68 q: -1.0 -5.4 WD2XNS 100 WATT -

t:2496 f: 0.488 pm:818.7 jm:275 q: -0.1 -6.1 WD2XNS 200 WATT -
t:2592 f: 0.488 pm:856.8 jm:275 q:  0.3 -5.2 WD2XNS 200 WATT -
t:2688 f: 0.488 pm:912.6 jm:275 q:  0.7 -4.3 WD2XNS 200 WATT -
t:2784 f: 0.488 pm:937.1 jm:275 q:  1.0 -3.4 WD2XNS 200 WATT -
t:2880 f: 0.488 pm:976.4 jm:275 q:  1.3 -2.5 WD2XNS 200 WATT -
t:2976 f: 0.488 pm:980.6 jm:275 q:  1.4 -2.5 WD2XNS 200 WATT -
t:3072 f: 0.488 pm:988.9 jm:275 q:  1.4 -2.5 WD2XNS 200 WATT -
t:3168 f: 0.488 pm: 1018 jm:275 q:  1.4 -2.7 WD2XNS 200 WATT -

There was quite a gap between the 100 watt and 200 watt captures, =
several
screenfull's of just random characters.  I hope this is useful to you.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
EN93dr


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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi Jay,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I started Wolf early in the evening and =
by 10:00 pm=20
EDST I had negative copy</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>of your signals, so I re-aimed my loop =
before going=20
to bed.&nbsp; Here's what I saw</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>upon checking this =
morning:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>t:1824 f: 0.488 pm:583.2 jm: 68 q: -1.7 =
-5.3 WD2XNS=20
100 WATT -<BR>t:1920 f: 0.488 pm:614.7 jm: 68 q: -1.4 -4.8 WD2XNS 100 =
WATT=20
-<BR>t:2016 f: 0.488 pm:640.7 jm: 68 q: -1.1 -4.4 WD2XNS 100 WATT =
-<BR>t:2112 f:=20
0.488 pm:651.4 jm: 68 q: -1.0 -4.5 WD2XNS 100 WATT -<BR>t:2208 f: 0.488 =
pm:662.7=20
jm: 68 q: -1.2 -4.9 WD2XNS 100 WATT -<BR>t:2304 f: 0.488 pm:664.9 jm: 68 =
q: -1.0=20
-5.3 WD2XNS 100 WATT -<BR>t:2400 f: 0.488 pm:679.4 jm: 68 q: -1.0 -5.3 =
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100 WATT -<BR>t:2496 f: 0.488 pm:681.6 jm: 68 q: -1.0 -5.4 WD2XNS 100 =
WATT=20
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>t:2496 f: 0.488 pm:818.7 jm:275 q: -0.1 =
-6.1 WD2XNS=20
200 WATT -<BR>t:2592 f: 0.488 pm:856.8 jm:275 q:&nbsp; 0.3 -5.2 WD2XNS =
200 WATT=20
-<BR>t:2688 f: 0.488 pm:912.6 jm:275 q:&nbsp; 0.7 -4.3 WD2XNS 200 WATT=20
-<BR>t:2784 f: 0.488 pm:937.1 jm:275 q:&nbsp; 1.0 -3.4 WD2XNS 200 WATT=20
-<BR>t:2880 f: 0.488 pm:976.4 jm:275 q:&nbsp; 1.3 -2.5 WD2XNS 200 WATT=20
-<BR>t:2976 f: 0.488 pm:980.6 jm:275 q:&nbsp; 1.4 -2.5 WD2XNS 200 WATT=20
-<BR>t:3072 f: 0.488 pm:988.9 jm:275 q:&nbsp; 1.4 -2.5 WD2XNS 200 WATT=20
-<BR>t:3168 f: 0.488 pm: 1018 jm:275 q:&nbsp; 1.4 -2.7 WD2XNS 200 WATT=20
-</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>There was quite a gap between the 100 =
watt and 200=20
watt captures, several</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>screenfull's of just random =
characters.&nbsp; I=20
hope this is useful to you.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL<BR>Solar and =
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Seen at 21:00 utc last evening (23 april) at QRSS3,centerfreq:137700 Hz

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Hello Gary,

I received the same signal.
Unfortunately a local noise source started later on.

Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt


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>From G3PLX:

Dave asks how close do you have to be to see anything that isn't exactly on 
frequency. The answer is 'it depends'.

The integrating vectorscope idea will produce a straight line if the signal 
is exactly on frequency. If it's not exact, the line curves round into a 
circle which will eventually get back to the centre of the scope in N 
seconds, where 1/N Hz is the frequency error. That won't be a problem if the 
signal is strong and clean - you just see a circle instead of a straight 
line and you can still say 'I have received a signal'.

But the further off you are, the smaller is the resulting circle, and if the 
noise level is bigger than the circle you won't see it. The closer you can 
get to the right frequency the better is the sensitivity.  For example if 
you are 0.01Hz off, the dot will take 50 secs to trace a semicircle and get 
as far out as it goes, then take another 50 secs to get back to the centre. 
In this case there isn't any point in waiting more than 50 secs - if you 
can't see anything in the noise after 50 secs, then you will never see it. 
If you are coherent with the transmitter and the path is phase-stable (and 
LF paths are), there is no limit to sensitivity,  instead the limit is how 
long you are prepared to wait before you see that the dot has moved out of 
the noise.  Scott and I can hold surface-wave LORAN lines steady in phase 
within a few degrees for days on end, which means we could integrate for 
weeks. Murray has no local LORAN lines but has transmitted his own coherent 
carriers to ZL2AFP.

I don't see this technique being used for receiving transmitters that are 
'fairly stable'. We can do that already with 'fairly stable' receivers.  If 
we bite the bullet and all get a GPS, then we can really start to see the 
possibilities.

When we get to understand the implications of this new idea, we can start to 
think about how to use it to better transmit information, but for the moment 
it's just a toy so we can get the feel of it.  The integrating scope is 
certainly not the only way to handle coherent weak signals.

73
Peter
 



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Hallo Dick,

Zou je mij een kopie willen sturen s.v.p.

Groeten ook aan Fien natuurlijk.....


Wil van der Laken


> To All from PA0SE
>
> The article mentioned by Kevin is titled Increased Radiating Efficiency
> for
> Short Antennas - A Tuned-Top System for Amateur Frequencies.
> I
> I happen to possess 1934 QST and I will be happy to send a copy of the
> article by e-mail to anyone interested. There are 4 pages and total size
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> the attachments is 1.12MB.
>
> Thanks to Kevin for the hint.
>
> 73, Dick, PA0SE
>
>>  Hello all,
>>  As a matter of interest, R B Dome authored an article on this subject
>> in
>> the September 1934 issue of QST. Also, he credits his IRE co-author
>> Nickle, W2ETH as the inventer of this antenna.
>>Understandably, the same diagrams as Dick attached to his original
>> posting
>>also appear.
>>Kevin,  ZL4MD
>




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Please also include me for the article!

 

Thank you,

 

Doc

 

-----Original Message-----
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Hi Dick,

 

Put me on the list as one who would like a copy of the article.  Thanks in
advance!

 

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
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EN93dr

----- Original Message ----- 

From: Dick Rollema <mailto:dickrollema@casema.nl>  

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To All from PA0SE

The article mentioned by Kevin is titled Increased Radiating Efficiency for
Short Antennas - A Tuned-Top System for Amateur Frequencies.

I happen to possess 1934 QST and I will be happy to send a copy of the

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of the attachments is 1.12MB.

73, Dick, PA0SE


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<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: LF: Top load =
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Radiating Efficiency for Short Antennas - A Tuned-Top System for Amateur
Frequencies.<br>
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I happen to possess 1934 QST and I will be happy to send a copy of =
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Hi Dick,

Put me on the list as one who would like a copy of the article.  Thanks =
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73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
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----- Original Message -----=20
  From: Dick Rollema=20
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  Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 9:19 AM
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  To All from PA0SE

  The article mentioned by Kevin is titled Increased Radiating =
Efficiency for Short Antennas - A Tuned-Top System for Amateur =
Frequencies.

  I happen to possess 1934 QST and I will be happy to send a copy of the
  article by e-mail to anyone interested.  There are 4 pages and total =
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  73, Dick, PA0SE


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To All from PA0SE

The article mentioned by Kevin is titled Increased Radiating Efficiency for 
Short Antennas - A Tuned-Top System for Amateur Frequencies.
I
I happen to possess 1934 QST and I will be happy to send a copy of the 
article by e-mail to anyone interested. There are 4 pages and total size of 
the attachments is 1.12MB.

Thanks to Kevin for the hint.

73, Dick, PA0SE

>  Hello all,
>  As a matter of interest, R B Dome authored an article on this subject in 
> the September 1934 issue of QST. Also, he credits his IRE co-author 
> Nickle, W2ETH as the inventer of this antenna.
>Understandably, the same diagrams as Dick attached to his original posting 
>also appear.
>Kevin,  ZL4MD

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<font size=3>To All from PA0SE<br><br>
The article mentioned by Kevin is titled <b>Increased Radiating
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</b>I<br>
I happen to possess 1934 QST and I will be happy to send a copy of the
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73, Dick, PA0SE<br><br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">&nbsp;Hello all,<br>
&nbsp;As a matter of interest, R B Dome authored an article on this
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  Hello all,
  As a matter of interest, R B Dome authored an article on this 
subject in the September 1934 issue of QST. Also, he credits his IRE 
co-author Nickle, W2ETH as the inventer of this antenna.
Understandably, the same diagrams as Dick attached to his original 
posting also appear.
Kevin,  ZL4MD



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>From G3PLX:

Dex said..

>I initially used this antenna with a single vertical wire and the coil 
>grounded to the base of the tower ground system.  I think this is what you 
>described above.  There was some discussion about the capacitance between 
>the vertical wire and tower shunting the antenna current to ground so I 
>went looking for a way to feed a short grounded tower.  So I found the 
>balanced feed method on Rik's site and give it a try.

The antenna current goes to ground one way or the other, it doesn't matter 
which. The only thing that matters is that you have a nice big current 
flowing between the top hat and the ground. With the coil at the bottom 
rather than the top, you will indeed need to pump more current into the 
bottom of the wire than flows into the top hat, but it's all capacitative 
current so it's not lost and it doesn't cost anything.

What I wondered was that this capacitance, effectively across the coil, 
might be responsible for increased losses in the coil. Removing the ground 
wire would reduce this capacitance. You might need a few more turns on the 
coil but it might run a bit cooler. If the coil was a good one anyway, it 
might not make any difference.

But one thing is certain. Running a 'hot' wire up the side of a grounded 
tower like this is perfectly valid, whether the coil is at the top or the 
bottom. At first it looks like the tower will shield the wire and 
short-circuit the RF, but current flowing down a tower is as good as any 
other kind so long as the other end of the current flows into the sky.

73
Peter




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Peter Martinez wrote:
> 
> Incidently, Dex, have you thought about removing the wire you have 
> labelled 'tower grounding wire' and returning the feed to the base of 
> the tower instead? There should be no voltage between the bottom of the 
> tower and the bottom of this grounding wire, so you might as well use 
> the tower to 'ground itself'.  Maybe you cannot rely on the tower to 
> conduct current!
> 

Peter,

I initially used this antenna with a single vertical wire and the coil 
grounded to the base of the tower ground system.  I think this is what 
you described above.  There was some discussion about the capacitance 
between the vertical wire and tower shunting the antenna current to 
ground so I went looking for a way to feed a short grounded tower.  So I 
found the balanced feed method on Rik's site and give it a try.

I tried to make some meaningful field strength measurements between the 
two methods of feeding the antenna but gave up when I figured out I 
didn't know what I was doing.  Seems I never found a place far enough 
away from power lines that I could repeat the same levels from day to 
day with the same antenna.  I could even see as much as a 6 db change in 
signal strength while watching a SLM receiving a steady carrier.  These 
changes could usually be associated with a click or pop which I assume 
was load changed on the power grid.  Conquering this problem is on my 
list of things to do but right now it's microwave season :)

 From the signal reports I received with both feeds I could not tell 
that one way was better than the other.

The idea of using coax up the center of the tower is a possibility here. 
  I have a spare rung of 7/8" Heliax that would probably handle the 
voltage.  The tower is well bonded from top to bottom with multiple runs 
of Heliax and wave guide.

Always open for suggestions,

Dex,
W4DEX / WD2XKO




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>From G3PLX:

Jim said:
>This is fine, and the same as Dick's Topload3 diagram, but with the 
>parallel
>wire stub replaced by coax - but in Figure 2b of the original article, the
>connections are different. In this case, if the open wires are replaced by 
>a
>coax stub, the top hat would also connected to the coax braid as well as 
>the
>top of the mast, and the coax inner at the top of the mast wouldn't be
>connected to anything! In the description above, both terminals of the top
>end of the transmission line are connected to something, but in Figure 2b,
>one terminal isn't connected at all.

I mentioned coax only because I think it helps to think of one side of the 
(twin wire) stub as being the 'inside' and the other as being the 'outside' 
in the same sense as coax. The 'inside' and 'outside' legs of the stub are 
tightly coupled to each other, but in addition the 'outside' leg doubles as 
the antenna.

If you did it with coax 'inside out' as Jim describes above, then the inside 
couldn't double as the antenna, so my analogy breaks-down, but with the 
braid outside you can even leave the top of the braid unconnected and think 
of the antenna current flowing up the outside of the braid, in at the top, 
and down the inside of the braid, looking for all the world as if there is 
no current at all.

If you then swap back from coax to twin wire line for the stub, you can't 
tell which leg is which, and that's where Dick's Fig2b starts to look wierd. 
His topload3 and topload4 diagrams help a lot. The antenna doesn't read 
diagrams and radiates regardless!

Incidently, Dex, have you thought about removing the wire you have labelled 
'tower grounding wire' and returning the feed to the base of the tower 
instead? There should be no voltage between the bottom of the tower and the 
bottom of this grounding wire, so you might as well use the tower to 'ground 
itself'.  Maybe you cannot rely on the tower to conduct current!

73
Peter



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In a message dated 20/04/2006 17:03:50 GMT Daylight Time, WarmSpgs@aol.com  
writes:

Actually, it's a propagation problem.  Some mail systems don't like  to 
handle multiple attachments, and enclosed them in a Zip file.  Usually  this works 
fine.  Unfortunately, there's something about the  way multiple file 
attachments are encoded when passing through this  reflector that AOL doesn't seem to 
understand, so what they zip up for me is  the raw MIME-encoded attachments, 
without reconverting them to their  original formats and filenames.
 
Single files pass through OK.  Therefore, since I'm apparently not  the only 
person who encountered this, may I suggest either sending single  files per 
message, or zipping them into a single file prior to  transmission.



Hi John
 
AOL can often be a pain on this and did it to me too but, with Winzip  
anyway, the files can still be read.
When I opened the original zip file that AOL had wrapped them in there were  
the two mim files you mentioned.
Winzip sees these as compressed files too so double clicking either  from 
within Winzip, I didn't bother to extract them first, starts up another  Winzip 
session which opens up the selected file to reveal the jpg inside, which  can 
then also be opened from within the archive.
Messy yes, but it did work ok.
However, I would agree that creating a single zip file before  transmission 
is the easiest way to avoid problems.
 
regards
 
Nigel
G8PZR

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Dear Peter, LF Group,

>>From G3PLX:


...Now I remove the two terminals of the coil and in it's place at the =
top
of the antenna I connect one end of a length of coax, with the outer =
braid
to the top of the antenna and the inner to the top hat. I run this coax =
down

the antenna. Maybe I thread it down INSIDE the antenna so that Jim =
doesn't=20
know it's there!  At the bottom of the coax I connect my loading coil...


This is fine, and the same as Dick's Topload3 diagram, but with the =
parallel
wire stub replaced by coax - but in Figure 2b of the original article, =
the
connections are different. In this case, if the open wires are replaced =
by a
coax stub, the top hat would also connected to the coax braid as well as =
the
top of the mast, and the coax inner at the top of the mast wouldn't be
connected to anything! In the description above, both terminals of the =
top
end of the transmission line are connected to something, but in Figure =
2b,
one terminal isn't connected at all.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




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Actually, it's a propagation problem.  Some mail systems don't like to handle 
multiple attachments, and enclosed them in a Zip file.  Usually this works 
fine.  Unfortunately, there's something about the way multiple file attachments 
are encoded when passing through this reflector that AOL doesn't seem to 
understand, so what they zip up for me is the raw MIME-encoded attachments, without 
reconverting them to their original formats and filenames.

Single files pass through OK.  Therefore, since I'm apparently not the only 
person who encountered this, may I suggest either sending single files per 
message, or zipping them into a single file prior to transmission.

John

In a message dated 4/20/2006 10:42:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, 
rik.strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be writes:
John,

it is a "receiver end" related problem.
All pics arrive fine here.

73,
Rik  ON7YD & OR7T

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>From G3PLX:

Dick's diagrams do look puzzling if you look at them literally, so I can 
sympathise with Jim, but try it this way...

The capacitance hat is on the top. In stage 1 of the thought experiment, 
there is a loading coil between the hat and the top of the antenna.  Nobody 
should have any problems so far.

Now I remove the two terminals of the coil and in it's place at the top of 
the antenna I connect one end of a length of coax, with the outer braid to 
the top of the antenna and the inner to the top hat. I run this coax down 
the antenna. Maybe I thread it down INSIDE the antenna so that Jim doesn't 
know it's there!  At the bottom of the coax I connect my loading coil.

The voltage across the loading coil will be high of course, so I need to be 
careful about the voltage rating of the coax, but there will be no RF on the 
outside of the braid, so I can fasten it to the antenna all the way down.

I could even ground the bottom of the antenna (and the bottom of the coax), 
and feed the transmitter into a link winding on the coil. One end of the 
coil is grounded and so is the coax.  You only need to redraw it slightly 
and you have Dexter's antenna.

To reduce the voltage that needs to be handled by the coax. I could put most 
of the loading coil at the top where I started, and then all I need at the 
bottom is some variable inductance to tune down the band. This variable 
inductance is still effectively at the top, and there is NO high voltage at 
the bottom of the antenna.

It looks like I have a loading coil and a hat (a very small antenna?) 
mounted on the top of a tower, but of course it's really a top-loaded tower. 
Read all the controversy about the EH antennas on the antenna reflectors. 
Read G3LNP's article about top loaded towers.

73
Peter



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John:
Try these:
http://www.w1tag.com/files/Fig.1.jpg
http://www.w1tag.com/files/Fig.2.jpg

JA


WarmSpgs@aol.com wrote:
> I'm sorry, Dick, it still doesn;t seem to be working.  Can you save 
> the files in some generally usable format such as GIF or PNG and then 
> send them?
>  
> John
>  
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John,

it is a "receiver end" related problem.
All pics arrive fine here.

73,
Rik  ON7YD & OR7T

At 10:25 20/04/2006 -0400, you wrote:
>I'm sorry, Dick, it still doesn;t seem to be working.  Can you save the 
>files in some generally usable format such as GIF or PNG and then send them?
>
>John
>
>


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Peter Martinez wrote:
> Effectively what Dick is suggesting is having the coil physically at the 
> bottom where it can be housed and adjusted, but electrically at the top. 
> This is done by extending two wires down the antenna such that the 
> currents in these two wires are equal and opposite and they therefore 
> make no contribution (or degradation) of the antenna performance.  If 
> the antenna is electrically short anyway, it doesn't help to say this is 
> a stub with a specific electrical length, it's just a coil connected 
> into it's place with a pair of wires.
> 
> If the antenna was hollow, or like a lattice tower, the wire from the 
> top hat could come down to the bottom inside the structure, so long as 
> it didn't arc across!


This type of antenna is what I used for WD2XKO during most of the past 
winter.  It seems to work well.  A US patent was issued which covers 
this design.  A link to the patent is on the WD2XKO web page at:

http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xko.htm

Dex,
W4DEX / WD2XKO


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>From G3PLX:

Effectively what Dick is suggesting is having the coil physically at the 
bottom where it can be housed and adjusted, but electrically at the top. 
This is done by extending two wires down the antenna such that the currents 
in these two wires are equal and opposite and they therefore make no 
contribution (or degradation) of the antenna performance.  If the antenna is 
electrically short anyway, it doesn't help to say this is a stub with a 
specific electrical length, it's just a coil connected into it's place with 
a pair of wires.

If the antenna was hollow, or like a lattice tower, the wire from the top 
hat could come down to the bottom inside the structure, so long as it didn't 
arc across!

73
Peter



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Hi, Dick.

On Wed, 19 Apr 2006, Dick Rollema wrote:

>By chance I came across an interesting article in the Dutch weekly (!) 
>magazine Radio Expres of 11 January 1934. It referred to an article in
>the 
>Proceedings of the IRE of December 1933 by Nickle, Dome and Brown on a 
>procedure to increase of the feed point impedance of a vertical antenna
>by 
>means of top loading. A normal way is to use a series resonant circuit as 
>in fig.1, consisting of a capacitive hat and a coil. The coil is in a 
>awkward position for tuning. The alternative by Nickle, Dome and Brown is 
>to use a short circuited stub slightly shorter than an quarter wave that
>at 
>its top end produces the proper inductive reactance for series resonance 
>with the capacitive hat. Indicated in fig. 2a. The system is tuned by 
>moving the short circuit at the bottom up or down. The left leg of the
>stub 
>is doubling as the radiator. An easier way of tuning is to make the stub 
>too short and lengthening it with a coil(b) or a stub that is too long
>and 
>shortening it by a capacitor (c). 

It is nice idea! Certanly this should work. Elevated coil is better then 
coil near the ground, not too much better but better anyway. And a 
tuning problem gone if one use fig.2.

>I modelled a quarter wave vertical for 80 m 
>according to (c) using Antenna Optimizer by Brian Beezley, K6STI. When
>in 
>resonance the feed point impedance was raised from 36 ohm without top
>load 
>to 4925 ohm! 

This means you change 1/4 wavelength resonance to 1/2 wavelength
resonance. This is imposible on 136 kHz when vertical is much shorter
then 1/4 of wavelenth.

On 136 kHz radiation resistance will not rise too much when you'll use
elevated coil (or someone the same as in fig.2). But it is worth to note
enviroment loss may decrease significaly. 

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb




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Rik, ON 7YD wrote

At 16:29 19-4-06, you wrote:
>Hi Dick,
>
>I guess you are right with
>"The stub functions as a transmission line to transfer the inductive 
>reactance of the coil to the top of the radiator."
>
>But I am afraid that for any reasonable antenna height (< 50..100m) the 
>stub is that short (in wavelengths) that it will hardly transfer any reactance.

To check  this I took as a stub 50ft of 600 ohm open line. At one end I 
connected a coil of 2mH, a typical value I think for a top load coil. Its 
reactance at 136kHz is 1700 ohm.
Using a transmission line program by ARRL I find that at the other end of 
the line a reactance of 1978 ohm appears, which looks like a coil of 2.32mH.
So it seems to work.

>What is the result when you model both quarter wave 80m antennas (+/- 20 m 
>height) for 2200m ?

The antennas and the distance between the legs of the stub (20cm) are so 
small in wavelengths that the program does not work.

73, Dick, PA0SE


>At 14:54 19/04/2006 +0200, you wrote:
>>To All from PA0SE,
>>
>>By chance I came across an interesting article in the Dutch weekly (!) 
>>magazine Radio Expres of 11 January 1934. It referred to an article in 
>>the Proceedings of the IRE of December 1933 by Nickle, Dome and Brown on 
>>a procedure to increase of the feed point impedance of a vertical antenna 
>>by means of top loading. A normal way is to use a series resonant circuit 
>>as in fig.1, consisting of a capacitive hat and a coil. The coil is in a 
>>awkward position for tuning. The alternative by Nickle, Dome and Brown is 
>>to use a short circuited stub slightly shorter than an quarter wave that 
>>at its top end produces the proper inductive reactance for series 
>>resonance with the capacitive hat. Indicated in fig. 2a. The system is 
>>tuned by moving the short circuit at the bottom up or down. The left leg 
>>of the stub is doubling as the radiator. An easier way of tuning is to 
>>make the stub too short and lengthening it with a coil(b) or a stub that 
>>is too long and shortening it by a capacitor (c). I modelled a quarter 
>>wave vertical for 80 m according to (c) using Antenna Optimizer by Brian 
>>Beezley, K6STI. When in resonance the feed point impedance was raised 
>>from 36 ohm without top load to 4925 ohm! The radiation diagram was 
>>identical to the one for the unloaded vertical within a few tenths of a dB.
>>
>>It occurred to me that the system could perhaps also be used for a 136kHz 
>>vertical. Using system (b) in fig.2 the loading coil between top of the 
>>radiator and topload could be at ground level. The stub functions as a 
>>transmission line to transfer the inductive reactance of the coil to the 
>>top of the radiator. Of course a second coil could be inserted between 
>>bottom of the stub and ground for matching and feeding of the antenna.
>>
>>What do you think?
>>
>>73, Dick, PA0SE
>>
>>

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<font size=3D3><b>Rik, ON 7YD wrote<br><br>
</b>At 16:29 19-4-06, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">Hi Dick,<br><br>
I guess you are right with <br>
&quot;</font><font face=3D"Courier New, Courier" size=3D3>The stub functions
as a transmission line to transfer the inductive reactance of the coil to
the top of the radiator.</font>&quot;<br><br>
But I am afraid that for any reasonable antenna height (&lt; 50..100m)
the stub is that short (in wavelengths) that it will hardly transfer any
reactance.</blockquote><br>
<b>To check&nbsp; this I took as a stub 50ft of 600 ohm open line. At one
end I connected a coil of 2mH, a typical value I think for a top load
coil. Its reactance at 136kHz is 1700 ohm.<br>
Using a transmission line program by ARRL I find that at the other end of
the line a reactance of 1978 ohm appears, which looks like a coil of
2.32mH.<br>
So it seems to work.<br><br>
</b><blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D""><font size=3D3>What is th=
e
result when you model both quarter wave 80m antennas (+/- 20 m height)
for 2200m ? </font></blockquote><b><br>
The antennas and the distance between the legs of the stub (20cm) are so
small in wavelengths that the program does not work.<br><br>
73, Dick, PA0SE<br><br>
<br>
</b><blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D""><font size=3D3>At 14:54
19/04/2006 +0200, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite=3D"">To All from PA0SE,<br><br>
</font><font face=3D"Courier New, Courier" size=3D3>By chance I came across
an interesting article in the Dutch weekly (!) magazine <i>Radio Expres
</i>of 11 January 1934. It referred to an article in the <i>Proceedings
of the IRE</i> of December 1933 by Nickle, Dome and Brown on a procedure
to increase of the feed point impedance of a vertical antenna by means of
top loading. A normal way is to use a series resonant circuit as in
fig.1, consisting of a capacitive hat and a coil. The coil is in a
awkward position for tuning. The alternative by Nickle, Dome and Brown is
to use a short circuited stub slightly shorter than an quarter wave that
at its top end produces the proper inductive reactance for series
resonance with the capacitive hat. Indicated in fig. 2a. The system is
tuned by moving the short circuit at the bottom up or down. The left leg
of the stub is doubling as the radiator. An easier way of tuning is to
make the stub too short and lengthening it with a coil(b) or a stub that
is too long and shortening it by a capacitor (c). I modelled a quarter
wave vertical for 80 m according to (c) using Antenna Optimizer by Brian
Beezley, K6STI. When in resonance the feed point impedance was raised
from 36 ohm without top load to 4925 ohm! The radiation diagram was
identical to the one for the unloaded vertical within a few tenths of a
dB.<br><br>
It occurred to me that the system could perhaps also be used for a 136kHz
vertical. Using system (b) in fig.2 the loading coil between top of the
radiator and topload could be at ground level. The stub functions as a
transmission line to transfer the inductive reactance of the coil to the
top of the radiator. Of course a second coil could be inserted between
bottom of the stub and ground for matching and feeding of the
antenna.<br><br>
What do you think?<br><br>
73, Dick, PA0SE <br><br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <br>
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Hi Dick,

I guess you are right with
"The stub functions as a transmission line to transfer the inductive 
reactance of the coil to the top of the radiator."

But I am afraid that for any reasonable antenna height (< 50..100m) the 
stub is that short (in wavelengths) that it will hardly transfer any reactance.
What is the result when you model both quarter wave 80m antennas (+/- 20 m 
height) for 2200m ?

73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T

At 14:54 19/04/2006 +0200, you wrote:
>To All from PA0SE,
>
>By chance I came across an interesting article in the Dutch weekly (!) 
>magazine Radio Expres of 11 January 1934. It referred to an article in the 
>Proceedings of the IRE of December 1933 by Nickle, Dome and Brown on a 
>procedure to increase of the feed point impedance of a vertical antenna by 
>means of top loading. A normal way is to use a series resonant circuit as 
>in fig.1, consisting of a capacitive hat and a coil. The coil is in a 
>awkward position for tuning. The alternative by Nickle, Dome and Brown is 
>to use a short circuited stub slightly shorter than an quarter wave that 
>at its top end produces the proper inductive reactance for series 
>resonance with the capacitive hat. Indicated in fig. 2a. The system is 
>tuned by moving the short circuit at the bottom up or down. The left leg 
>of the stub is doubling as the radiator. An easier way of tuning is to 
>make the stub too short and lengthening it with a coil(b) or a stub that 
>is too long and shortening it by a capacitor (c). I modelled a quarter 
>wave vertical for 80 m according to (c) using Antenna Optimizer by Brian 
>Beezley, K6STI. When in resonance the feed point impedance was raised from 
>36 ohm without top load to 4925 ohm! The radiation diagram was identical 
>to the one for the unloaded vertical within a few tenths of a dB.
>
>It occurred to me that the system could perhaps also be used for a 136kHz 
>vertical. Using system (b) in fig.2 the loading coil between top of the 
>radiator and topload could be at ground level. The stub functions as a 
>transmission line to transfer the inductive reactance of the coil to the 
>top of the radiator. Of course a second coil could be inserted between 
>bottom of the stub and ground for matching and feeding of the antenna.
>
>What do you think?
>
>73, Dick, PA0SE
>
>
>
>
>


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Hi Dick,<br><br>
I guess you are right with <br>
&quot;<font face=3D"Courier New, Courier">The stub functions as a
transmission line to transfer the inductive reactance of the coil to the
top of the radiator.</font>&quot;<br><br>
But I am afraid that for any reasonable antenna height (&lt; 50..100m)
the stub is that short (in wavelengths) that it will hardly transfer any
reactance.<br>
What is the result when you model both quarter wave 80m antennas (+/- 20
m height) for 2200m ?<br><br>
73, Rik ON7YD - OR7T<br><br>
At 14:54 19/04/2006 +0200, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=3Dcite class=3Dcite cite>To All from PA0SE,<br><br>
<font face=3D"Courier New, Courier">By chance I came across an interesting
article in the Dutch weekly (!) magazine <i>Radio Expres </i>of 11
January 1934. It referred to an article in the <i>Proceedings of the
IRE</i> of December 1933 by Nickle, Dome and Brown on a procedure to
increase of the feed point impedance of a vertical antenna by means of
top loading. A normal way is to use a series resonant circuit as in
fig.1, consisting of a capacitive hat and a coil. The coil is in a
awkward position for tuning. The alternative by Nickle, Dome and Brown is
to use a short circuited stub slightly shorter than an quarter wave that
at its top end produces the proper inductive reactance for series
resonance with the capacitive hat. Indicated in fig. 2a. The system is
tuned by moving the short circuit at the bottom up or down. The left leg
of the stub is doubling as the radiator. An easier way of tuning is to
make the stub too short and lengthening it with a coil(b) or a stub that
is too long and shortening it by a capacitor (c). I modelled a quarter
wave vertical for 80 m according to (c) using Antenna Optimizer by Brian
Beezley, K6STI. When in resonance the feed point impedance was raised
from 36 ohm without top load to 4925 ohm! The radiation diagram was
identical to the one for the unloaded vertical within a few tenths of a
dB.<br><br>
It occurred to me that the system could perhaps also be used for a 136kHz
vertical. Using system (b) in fig.2 the loading coil between top of the
radiator and topload could be at ground level. The stub functions as a
transmission line to transfer the inductive reactance of the coil to the
top of the radiator. Of course a second coil could be inserted between
bottom of the stub and ground for matching and feeding of the
antenna.<br><br>
What do you think?<br><br>
73, Dick, PA0SE <br><br>
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To All from PA0SE,

By chance I came across an interesting article in the Dutch weekly (!) 
magazine Radio Expres of 11 January 1934. It referred to an article in the 
Proceedings of the IRE of December 1933 by Nickle, Dome and Brown on a 
procedure to increase of the feed point impedance of a vertical antenna by 
means of top loading. A normal way is to use a series resonant circuit as 
in fig.1, consisting of a capacitive hat and a coil. The coil is in a 
awkward position for tuning. The alternative by Nickle, Dome and Brown is 
to use a short circuited stub slightly shorter than an quarter wave that at 
its top end produces the proper inductive reactance for series resonance 
with the capacitive hat. Indicated in fig. 2a. The system is tuned by 
moving the short circuit at the bottom up or down. The left leg of the stub 
is doubling as the radiator. An easier way of tuning is to make the stub 
too short and lengthening it with a coil(b) or a stub that is too long and 
shortening it by a capacitor (c). I modelled a quarter wave vertical for 80 
m according to (c) using Antenna Optimizer by Brian Beezley, K6STI. When in 
resonance the feed point impedance was raised from 36 ohm without top load 
to 4925 ohm! The radiation diagram was identical to the one for the 
unloaded vertical within a few tenths of a dB.

It occurred to me that the system could perhaps also be used for a 136kHz 
vertical. Using system (b) in fig.2 the loading coil between top of the 
radiator and topload could be at ground level. The stub functions as a 
transmission line to transfer the inductive reactance of the coil to the 
top of the radiator. Of course a second coil could be inserted between 
bottom of the stub and ground for matching and feeding of the antenna.

What do you think?

73, Dick, PA0SE



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To All from PA0SE,<br><br>
<font face=3D"Courier New, Courier">By chance I came across an interesting
article in the Dutch weekly (!) magazine <i>Radio Expres </i>of 11
January 1934. It referred to an article in the <i>Proceedings of the
IRE</i> of December 1933 by Nickle, Dome and Brown on a procedure to
increase of the feed point impedance of a vertical antenna by means of
top loading. A normal way is to use a series resonant circuit as in
fig.1, consisting of a capacitive hat and a coil. The coil is in a
awkward position for tuning. The alternative by Nickle, Dome and Brown is
to use a short circuited stub slightly shorter than an quarter wave that
at its top end produces the proper inductive reactance for series
resonance with the capacitive hat. Indicated in fig. 2a. The system is
tuned by moving the short circuit at the bottom up or down. The left leg
of the stub is doubling as the radiator. An easier way of tuning is to
make the stub too short and lengthening it with a coil(b) or a stub that
is too long and shortening it by a capacitor (c). I modelled a quarter
wave vertical for 80 m according to (c) using Antenna Optimizer by Brian
Beezley, K6STI. When in resonance the feed point impedance was raised
from 36 ohm without top load to 4925 ohm! The radiation diagram was
identical to the one for the unloaded vertical within a few tenths of a
dB.<br><br>
</font><font face=3D"Courier New, Courier" size=3D3>It occurred to me that
the system could perhaps also be used for a 136kHz vertical. Using system
(b) in fig.2 the loading coil between top of the radiator and topload
could be at ground level. The stub functions as a transmission line to
transfer the inductive reactance of the coil to the top of the radiator.
Of course a second coil could be inserted between bottom of the stub and
ground for matching and feeding of the antenna.<br><br>
What do you think?<br><br>
73, Dick, PA0SE <br><br>
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Also seeing the signal here with Win Radio and the Mini Whip.

Mike
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  It's a dead carrier at mid-afternoon here, but what a signal!

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XGJ from 0220 to 0320 z, not too bad last night.
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Hi all on the list !

The last night I copy:
WD2XGJ  VO1NA  WD2XES

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WD2XES will also be off for the period.

John Andrews

Jay Rusgrove wrote:

>WD2XNS will be off the air April 4, 5 and 6 for the ZM2E / VA7LF / R6L tests. Good luck to the
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>Thanks to all for the continued reception reports - your efforts are greatly appreciated.
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>Jay, W1VD / WD2XNS
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WD2XNS will be off the air April 4, 5 and 6 for the ZM2E / VA7LF / R6L tests. Good luck to the
participants and monitoring stations!

Thanks to all for the continued reception reports - your efforts are greatly appreciated.

Jay, W1VD / WD2XNS



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Tnx Andy for qso last nite.

QSL 2 x way QSO on 137.7 khz, on 01/04/06 at 2050z ur signal O copy, strong, 
QRS 1

This is a new country for me on LF and a first between G - EW6.

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Congratulations, John !

73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR



John RABSON a =E9crit :
> This is a French expression which seems to mean (approximately) "someth=
ing you have a moral obligation to do because of your position".
>
> Having just received my French call sign, it therefore seems I must get=
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>
> 73,
> John Rabson F5VLF
> Mar=E9 le Bas
> 58800 Cervon
> FRANCE
> 47degN 4degE
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This is a French expression which seems to mean (approximately) "something=
 you have a moral obligation to do because of your position".

Having just received my French call sign, it therefore seems I must get on=
 the air soon as possible on 136kHz.

73,
John Rabson F5VLF
Mar=E9 le Bas
58800 Cervon
FRANCE
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Hello Jos=E9,

I will send you the details when I am at home from work today.

And yes, it is sensitive enough for receiving atmosferic  noise.
Probably more than you ever will need!

Best regards,

Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt






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Hi Joe and all:

Can you tell me where can I find the Miniwhip antenna description?
I think that is a very small whip, so about the sensitivity, is it  enoug=
h=20
to receive the atmospheric noise at 137 kHz?
Thanks in advance.

73 de Jos=E9, EA1PX






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From: "Joe Craig" <jcraig@mun.ca>
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> Dear Group,
>
> I recently built Roelof's miniwhip e-probe and reported on
> the reflector that there was trouble with intermod when
> close to MF AM transmitter sites.  This problem originates
> with the receiver and not the probe itself.
>
> This was verified by attenuating the output of the probe
> and hearing signals on 137 kHz what could not be heard
> without the attenuator because of interference.
>
> Thanks to Roelof for a good design and sharing it those who
> asked and his tip about the attenuator!  Thanks also to the
> kind VE3 who sent me the semiconductors I was having trouble
> locating whin building the PA0RTD miniwhip.
>
>
> Still QRV on 137.777 kHz sending 'N' at QRSS60 after sunset.
>
> 73
> Joe VO1NA
>
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Abstract from the current french sailors service bulletin:
 
141/06 - NORD-OUEST EUROPE - LORAN C
STATION LORAN C LESSAY, GRI 6731 M-X M-Z ET 7499 M-X STOPPEE DU 
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STATION LORAN C SOUSTONS, GRI 6731 M-X STOPPEE DU 
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Hi Jay,

Attached is a Argo capture of your QRSS3 signals last evening.  It's =
wasn't good
enough to actually see the individual characters, but I know it's your =
signals as
they showed up in the right place.

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Attached is a Argo capture of your =
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Hello Uwe

The transformers I used are 7mm IF transformers used in transistor radios.
wit=white
geel=yellow
zwart=black
When you are interested in building this preamp I do have a few sets of
transformers left I can sent to you,I even have a complete board in working
order left,just let me know..About 5 amateurs in Utrecht are using this
preamp with succes.

best regards

Victor
PA3FNY


PS: a resistor of 100 Ohm should be connected in series with the base of the
BC550C to suppress possible parasitics.



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Hello all,

since some months I am listening to the 136KHz band with a Icom IC761,this
is a good HF tranceiver but on longwave it has some intermodulation problems
with local broadcasting stations on 675KHz and higher.To solve this I build
a narrowband preamp,also suitable for a whip antenna.Enclosed the circuit,a
picture of the filter shape follows.
B-3 dB : 3  KHz
B-60dB : 28 KHz
No more IM problems on any receiver I use.To compensate for the gain on the
50 Ohm input I use the 20 dB attentuator on the IC761.

Greetings,

Victor
PA3FNY

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On Sat, 8 Apr 2006, Hartmut Wolff wrote:

> Great signal from EA4BVZ on 137.2507 kHz here in Germany.
> ...

   Hello Hartmut, Juan, and all !

   Yes, good signal here too in JN09XI (about 100 km ENE of Paris). Michel 
F5WK was receiving EA4BVZ at 2100 UTC and gave the info through the french 
mailing list.
   Here, begining at 2130 UTC, the signal was strong too, and is good until 
now. It was slowly drifting upward, about 0.17 Hz in 6 hours :
137.250,68 at 0000 UTC ;
137.250,85 at 0600 UTC.

   Many thanks Hartmut for the capture, many thanks Juan EA3FXF for the 
information about the EA4BVZ test (I kept the captures, I shall send it 
by mail if needed).

   Best 73 to all !

   F5YG




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Great signal from EA4BVZ on 137.2507 kHz here in Germany.

Capture can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut




> Hi.

> Manolo, EA4BVZ , QSY this weekend.
> New frecuency: 137.250 (+/- 0 .2) kHz
> Gracias por el aviso Uwe.

> Juan, EA3FXF

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Zitat von Joan Morros <ea3fxf@lleida.org>:

>
> Hi.
>
> Manolo, EA4BVZ , QSY this weekend.
> New frecuency: 137.250 (+/- 0 .2) kHz
> Gracias por el aviso Uwe.
>
> Juan, EA3FXF
>
Hola Juan y Manolo,
30dB mas que noise en JO43SV.
diga me si quieren screenshots.
saludos
Uwe/dj8wx



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Hi.

Manolo, EA4BVZ , QSY this weekend.
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Gracias por el aviso Uwe.

Juan, EA3FXF

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The recent Trans-Pacific LF Tests with New Zealand were undertaken on the
nights of April 3-5, 2006. Although these dates were selected several months
ago, it seems that we could not have picked a poorer time slot for our
tests. The propagation Murphy was hard at work elevating the A/K index,
producing solar flares and a strong geomagnetic storm resulting in an HF
blackout and auroral displays  visible well into the central states. In
spite of the poor conditions, VA7LF (South Pender Island, B.C.) and ZM2E
(Quartz Hill, New Zealand) managed to exchange signals on the 2200m band.
Using slow speed DFCW90 as well as DFCW60, signals from both ends were
copied on all three nights. The third morning proved to be best, with ZM2E's
signal suddenly elevating to 25 db over the noise and acknowledging our call
to them indicating "O" (perfect) copy of our beacon signal. In our
pre-determined communications protocol, this was an invitation to initiate
the formal QSO sequence but, unfortunately, the sun was just rising at
Pender Island and we quickly ran out of darkness before full calls could be
exchanged.

The new amplifier and antenna system at VA7LF proved to work even better
than anticipated. Evidently Murphy gave us a break with those!

While waiting for sunset on the third night, the VA7LF bunch took advantage
of their strong groundwave signal and worked a number of cw crossband
contacts with amateurs in B.C., Washington and Oregon. Hopefully we can do
more of this on the next outing.

Although far from a valid QSO, the spirits at both ends remain high, as we
look forward to another attempt. As Bob Vernall (ZL2CA) lamented, "The
bottle of bubbly has been put back on the shelf for now".

Further information and photos are available at: "The VE7SL Radio Notebook"
:  http://imagenisp.com/jsm/VA7LF.html

Steve / VE7SL



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Dear LF enthusiasts,

since today all Russian LF enthusiasts can work in digital modes on 136
- there was only CW(QRSS) earlier

The power has remained former :
1 and 2 category - 100W Output
3 category - 10W

73! Ed RU6LA  http://136.73.ru



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Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 12:04:47 +0200
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Hello Joan et all,

Excellent QRSS30 daytime copy in the Netherlands.
What kind of antenna are you using and what is the power level?

Best regards,
Roelof
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From: Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt
Location: Middelburg, Zealand SW Netherlands, 51 30 02 N, 03 36 02 E
Locator: JO11tm
Receiver:
Tuneable pre-amp, SPM-30 # 1 & #  2 with 20 Hz filter
home made pitch shifter, 12 & 6 Hz active audio filters

Aerial: pa0rdt-Mini-Whip-half pint (actual size: build in half a film
canister) mounted 5 metre high in a Magnolia tree
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Hi all on the list !

The last night , poor conditions for me !
with a very very strong static activity

Only copy WD2XGJ 02:00 to 03:00

the captures of the night are on :
http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/

73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht








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Wolfgang,

the funny thing is that the 18.5 kHz DF variations appeared during all three=
=20
nights, whereas the colour of 23.4 was steady during that time, except for=20
short periods at sunrise / sunset.

Mentioning wavelength... could the effect have to do with the frequency=20
itself? I am 476 km from Saterland, and for an assumed reflection height of=20=
78 km,=20
the geometrical path difference between groundwave and skywave would be abou=
t=20
25 km. This is two wavelengths at 24 kHz, versus 1.5 wavelengths near 18 kHz=
,=20
possibly resulting in cancellation and an increased sensitivity against smal=
l=20
perturbations.=20

Will keep looking...

73 de Markus
=20
In einer eMail vom 17.04.2006 21:07:57 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt=
=20
dl4yhf@freenet.de:=20

> Will be interesting to see if that directional VLF fading is related to=20
> the time of day, or if you caught a SID event by chance, and if similar=20
> things happened on LF the same time.
> My own bearings of the new 18.5 kHz transmitter only vary by a few=20
> degrees, but  I'm just 8 wavelengths away from it ;-)
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<HTML><FONT FACE=3Darial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=3D2 PTSIZE=3D10 FAMILY=
=3D"SANSSERIF" FACE=3D"Arial" LANG=3D"2">Wolfgang,<BR>
<BR>
the funny thing is that the 18.5 kHz DF variations appeared during all three=
 nights, whereas the colour of 23.4 was steady during that time, except for=20=
short periods at sunrise / sunset.<BR>
<BR>
Mentioning wavelength... could the effect have to do with the frequency itse=
lf? I am 476 km from Saterland, and for an assumed reflection height of 78 k=
m, the geometrical path difference between groundwave and skywave would be a=
bout 25 km. This is two wavelengths at 24 kHz, versus 1.5 wavelengths near 1=
8 kHz, possibly resulting in cancellation and an increased sensitivity again=
st small perturbations. <BR>
<BR>
Will keep looking...<BR>
<BR>
73 de Markus<BR>
 <BR>
In einer eMail vom 17.04.2006 21:07:57 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt=
 dl4yhf@freenet.de: <BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=3DCITE style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT=
: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Will be interesting to see if t=
hat directional VLF fading is related to <BR>
the time of day, or if you caught a SID event by chance, and if similar <BR>
things happened on LF the same time.<BR>
My own bearings of the new 18.5 kHz transmitter only vary by a few <BR>
degrees, but&nbsp; I'm just 8 wavelengths away from it ;-)<BR>
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Hello Markus and group,

Thanks for the interesting spectrograms... I especially like that 
camouflaged loop in the garden.

 > 73, and thanks for the Easter eggs and bunnies ;-)
... and to you for painting those eggs in various colours on your 
LF-RDF-spectrogram. Guess you were out in the garden at that time, and 
moved the loops ?

Will be interesting to see if that directional VLF fading is related to 
the time of day, or if you caught a SID event by chance, and if similar 
things happened on LF the same time.
My own bearings of the new 18.5 kHz transmitter only vary by a few 
degrees, but  I'm just 8 wavelengths away from it ;-)

73, Wolf  DL4YHF .

> Hi Wolf and LF,
>
> very interesting. I have been observing 10 to 24 kHz for the last few 
> days, and of course stumbled across the 18.5 kHz transmissions as well 
> - screenshots are on http://people.freenet.de/df6nm/vlf/vlf_rdf.htm .
>
> The interesting thing is that on a crossed pair of loops, the new 
> emission seems to show MUCH more directional fading at night than its 
> counterpart on 23.4 kHz. The only explanation I can think of is that 
> they may be using a different kind of antenna, perhaps with long 
> horizontal conductors, producing more high angle radiation.
>
> 73, and thanks for the Easter eggs and bunnies ;-)
>
> Markus, DF6NM
>
> In einer eMail vom 17.04.2006 18:06:34 Westeurop�ische Sommerzeit 
> schreibt dl4yhf@freenet.de:
>
>> At this very moment (16:00 UTC), the folks at Saterland / NW DL are
>> testing a new transmitter facility.
>> They use unmodulated carrier as well as (G)MSK, ramping the power up and
>> down from QRPPP levels to full throttle (whatever full throttle will be).
>> The frequency is exactly 18.50000 kHz, and its quite sure to be the
>> Ramsloh / Saterland facility (we RDF'd it already, and its very likely
>> to be the DHO site).
>
>
>



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Hi Wolf and LF,

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high angle radiation.

73, and thanks for the Easter eggs and bunnies ;-)

Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 17.04.2006 18:06:34 Westeurop=E4ische Sommerzeit schreibt=
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dl4yhf@freenet.de:=20

> At this very moment (16:00 UTC), the folks at Saterland / NW DL are=20
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> They use unmodulated carrier as well as (G)MSK, ramping the power up and=20
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<BR>
very interesting. I have been observing 10 to 24 kHz for the last few days,=20=
and of course stumbled across the 18.5 kHz transmissions as well - screensho=
ts are on <A HREF=3D"http://people.freenet.de/df6nm/vlf/vlf_rdf.htm">http://=
people.freenet.de/df6nm/vlf/vlf_rdf.htm</A> .<BR>
<BR>
The interesting thing is that on a crossed pair of loops, the new emission s=
eems to show MUCH more directional fading at night than its counterpart on 2=
3.4 kHz. The only explanation I can think of is that they may be using a dif=
ferent kind of antenna, perhaps with long horizontal conductors, producing m=
ore high angle radiation.<BR>
<BR>
73, and thanks for the Easter eggs and bunnies ;-)<BR>
<BR>
Markus, DF6NM<BR>
<BR>
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They use unmodulated carrier as well as (G)MSK, ramping the power up and <BR=
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down from QRPPP levels to full throttle (whatever full throttle will be).<BR=
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The frequency is exactly 18.50000 kHz, and its quite sure to be the <BR>
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Greetings all,

Sorry for this slightly "off-band" posting:
At this very moment (16:00 UTC), the folks at Saterland / NW DL are 
testing a new transmitter facility.
They use unmodulated carrier as well as (G)MSK, ramping the power up and 
down from QRPPP levels to full throttle (whatever full throttle will be).
The frequency is exactly 18.50000 kHz, and its quite sure to be the 
Ramsloh / Saterland facility (we RDF'd it already, and its very likely 
to be the DHO site).

Best regards,
  Wolf DL4YHF .


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Hello all,

Joe's signal was visible all night, starting at 23:00 UTC.
XGJ produced one good copy of the call.

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This is a bulletin from VA7LF located on South Pender Island, B.C.
For the next two overnight periods, VA7LF will be attempting to complete =
a
low-frequency QSO with ZM2E in New Zealand. Operation will take place on =
the
2200m band, on 137 kilohertz. As part of our low-frequency experiment, =
we
are actively seeking signal reports as well as two-way crossband =
contacts
from as many amateurs as possible. Since VA7LF will be using a large
vertical antenna located near the ocean and operating at the maximum
permitted effective radiated power, our signals will hopefully be =
audible
within several hundred miles or further, from South Pender Island.

In order to work VA7LF on crossband cw, you will need to listen for our =
cw
signals on 137.780 kilohertz. We will listen for any replies to our CQ =
on
3536 kilohertz and 7077 kilohertz cw mode. VA7LF will begin calling CQ =
at
2000 hours PDST (0300 UTC) tonight and tomorrow night and will continue
until 2230 hours PDST (0530 UTC). Following each CQ, VA7LF will listen =
for
cw replies for approximately two minutes on both HF frequencies. In
addition, we will be conducting a similar test during daylight hours,
tomorrow (Wednesday) from 1400 hours  through 1600 hours PDST.

To repeat, VA7LF will transmit on 137.780 kilohertz cw in the 2200m band
starting at 2000 hours tonight and tomorrow night and continue until =
2230
hours PDST. The daylight test will run tomorrow only, from 1400 hours
through 1600 hours PDST. VA7LF will listen for replies on 3536 kilohertz =
and
7077 kilohertz HF cw.

All interested amateurs in western Canada and the Pacific north-west, or
farther, are encouraged to participate in this unique event.
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a=20
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hopefully be=20
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listen=20
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replies to=20
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calling=20
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will=20
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frequencies.=20
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the 2200m=20
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until=20
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Hey All

An informal update about last night (this morning's ) ZL attempt 
activity...  despite the reports that things where hopeless a limited 
'exchange' between ZM2E and VA7LF occurred.  While we fell short of a 
QSO an 'exchange' of intelligence did occur on 2200m as the sun came up 
at our QTH. Signals rose to a level as yet unseen during past ZL 
attempts for about 30minutes before sunrise.  The lift resulted in 'dog 
bones' being seen on ZM2E's signal and we even tired to complete at FSK10!

Band conditions on HF and LF for the balance of the night where hopeless 
within NA.  As an aside a number of xband QSOs on 160m, 80m and 40m 
where completed early on.  Nothing heard from VE3OT during our attempt 
with him.

More details will come soon after the teams get some MUCH needed sleep...

73 Scott



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>From G3PLX:

Alan:

The alert was in respect of increased GEOMAG activity, not in respect of the 
flare, so don't wait around!

73
Peter



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Hi LF,

Raised the PA0RDT Mini-Whip to 8 metres AGL for last night/this morning TA
reception & I was totally surprised by the results. I captured a string of
short interval N's from 2305z to 0130z where the interval increased to the
usual longer gap & faded out at 0445z.

XGJ was seen from 0050z to fade out at 0230z.

Also a UNID signal on 137777.6Hz from 0030z to 0130z but unable to recognise
a call sign,, anyone owning up to this one?

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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Gary, Jean-Pierre

Yes, I saw that info but just curiuos how big the antennas are. 

They're key down at the moment. The short .wav file below shows just how strong they are here.

 www.w1vd.com/capture/18dot5.wav

Jay


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
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Subject: LF: RE: 18.5 kHz in CT


> Hi Jay,
> 
> Carl SM5BF wrote the following in a previous mail :-
> 
> that station has of 8 abt 100 kW tx/amplifiers in 2 groups of 4, each
> tx feeding one antenna. antennas phased together, as a rule only 7 of
> the 8 systems are operative (one is under maintenance).
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
> 
> Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Jay Rusgrove
> Sent: 22 April 2006 11:31
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; lowfer@lwca.org
> Subject: LF: 18.5 kHz in CT
> 
> 
> After a couple day absence the lazy dog is back this morning...still amazed
> at their signal level.
> Anyone know the antenna setup?
> 
> THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 012345"789
>  THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPE OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
>  THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
>  THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
>  THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
> 
> Jay, W1VD
> 
> 


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Hi Dick

I use a separate heatsink for each pair of Fets, this method avoids using an
insulated spacer between fets and the heatsink.
It also means you get a better bond to the heatsink
I use two 5 inch fans on the PA one blowing on to the fet heat sinks and the
other one blowing across the PA inductor and LPF. My PA unit runs barely
warm even on QRS.
I use only one 47k resistor gate/ground for each pair of fets,  I
get no ringing or noises even using full power.
My PA is modular built so that it is easy to change any individual unit ie
FET/Heatsink, LPF, Driver board.
I use a IC 706 as the rf source on min power and divide down from 13.6/13.7
mhz to get on 136/137 khz.
With a stable antenna system you should have no trouble with reliability but
a wobbly or unstable antenna with a high or varying SWR BEWARE it could get
smoky !! so they say!!
Mal/G3KEV



----- Original Message -----
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> Hello all,
>
> I'm building a new (and larger) 136kHz transmitter.
>
> The output circuit is the same as the one used by G3YXM with 4 times
> IRFP450.
>
> Each FET will get his own gate input resistor (6R8) and gate-to-ground
> resistor (47k)
> The sources will be grounded as short as possible to ground, while the
> drains of
> 2 FET's will be connected together.
>
> I am now in the stage of putting the components of the output circuit on
its
> correct position,
> and that raised some questions about where to mount what.
>
> I am using a large heatsink 12x15x5cm.
> On this heatsink I mounted a 1.5mm thick copperplate 75x150mm in order to
> transport heat quick away from the FET's.
> Maybe it's some 'overkill' , but I just want to set up a thing that can
run
> for hours
> on full power; just a bit of reserve...........
>
> The 4 FET's are mounted in a row, separation between the FET's is 1 FET
> width (abt 15mm).
> The resistor of the 'zobel-network' is mounted just in the center , with
> wires about 30mm long connected
> to the drains of the FET's.
>
> I do not expect problems, but maybe that 30mm is too long???
> I don't think I can make them shorter without changing the whole component
> layout.
>
> If anyone has experiences with this amplifierstage and the zobel-network
> wire length,
> I would glad to hear.
>
> Another thing coming into my mind is to set up a fixed frequency into the
> transmitter, beside the VXO.
> I do have an 4.9152MHz X-tal, but I have to divide it by 18 to get the
> necessary 273.066kHz.
> Any simple schematic (with easy to get components) for an divide by 18
> circuit?
>
> 73
>
> Dick, PA4VHF
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Dick wrote:
> 
> I am using a large heatsink 12x15x5cm.
> On this heatsink I mounted a 1.5mm thick copperplate 75x150mm in order to
> transport heat quick away from the FET's.
> Maybe it's some 'overkill' , but I just want to set up a thing that can run
> for hours
> on full power; just a bit of reserve...........
> 
Why don't you use one of those heatsinks with blower meant to be applied on Pentium or Athlon CPUs ?
They have a large flat surface, ideal to screw on it a couple of Mosfets, and the blower is designed to remove a large 
amount of heat from the metal.
They can be found for almost nothing at ham fairs, or salvaged from old PCs at the local city dump.

73  Alberto  I2PHD



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Gary,

Have a look at Marcus's grabber. It shows the same signal as your
screenshot. The signal shows red, which would indicate that it is coming
from the East.

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

http://hometown.aol.de/df6nm2/Grabber.htm



-----Original Message-----
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Hi All,

I have captured this signal shown in attachment today in daylight, the time
line is on the left is 1800z & the LORAN line is the 137787.6Hz line so the
signal seems to be around 137788.5Hz, also there was a weaker 3 element
block at about 1730z (not shown). I feel sure that signal in the capture is
nothing to do with the tests but it shows something very near the frequency.
The slight receiver drift is caused by the central heating. I have shown the
LORAN line also to indicate my receiver stability because the captured
signal looks quite erratic.

Can anyone enlighten me on what I may have captured?

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor




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Hi Jay,

Carl SM5BF wrote the following in a previous mail :-

that station has of 8 abt 100 kW tx/amplifiers in 2 groups of 4, each
tx feeding one antenna. antennas phased together, as a rule only 7 of
the 8 systems are operative (one is under maintenance).

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Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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After a couple day absence the lazy dog is back this morning...still amazed
at their signal level.
Anyone know the antenna setup?

THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPS OVER THE LAZY DOG 012345"789
 THE QUICK BROWN FOX JUMPE OVER THE LAZY DOG 0123456789
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Thanks Jean-Pierre F5YG and Jean-Pierre F1AFJ for the
signal reports.  I was running a Decca amp (2/3 modules)
to get 3 amps of RF to a 100 metre wire.

73 Joe VO1NA



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   And here JN09XI, only faint traces of WD2XGJ (about 0330 -0415z) and=20
VO1NA (abt 0340 - 0420z).

   Best 73 !
   F5YG

On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, Jean-Pierre M=E9r=E9 wrote:

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> The last night I copy " WD2XGJ "
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> the captures of the night are on :
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Hi all on the list !
 
The last night I copy " WD2XGJ "
with a strong static activity !
Also copy trace of   " VO1NA"
the captures of the night are on :
 http://jpmere.online.fr/LF/
 
73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   JN06ht
 



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Copied VO1NA (QRSS30) 22:55-04:25 and WD2XGJ 01:40-02:40.


Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm


73
Hartmut
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In a message dated 26/04/2006 21:14:42 GMT Standard Time,  knaap159@zonnet.nl 
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Also visible is the antennarelay as well as a  part of the driver unit.
Maybe David may recognize the 3C90 core,  hi
 
73
 
Dick, PA4VHF



Hello Dick
 
Sure do !
 
But much nicer to see it in a transmitter than sitting here unused on a  
shelf.
 
Good luck with testing and the trip to LX
 
73
 
David  G0MRF

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Hello all,

Thanks to the help of Jelmer, from the PA6Z contestgroup with his camera =
I'm able to show some
pictures of the new 136kHz station I'm building at the moment.
I hope to have finished all stuff on time to take it to LX later this =
year.

You can find the pictures, as well as regular updates (pictures as well =
as text) on
=20
=20
http://www.pa6z.nl/PROJECTS/136KHz_trx/136khz_trx.html


My plan is to put all components that might get warm into a kind of =
'chimney'.
These are the output transformer, zobel network, output filter, as well =
as
the RF-choke, and shuntresistors for currentprotection.
Also some parts of the low voltage circuit.

I am building the station in 'blocks'
The pictures taken show the powerstage with 4 times IRFP450.
Also visible is the antennarelay as well as a part of the driver unit.
Maybe David may recognize the 3C90 core, hi

73

Dick, PA4VHF

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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Hi all,

I got the attached capture at about 0300z to 0430z this morning (6/4/2006)
on a frequency of 137785.0Hz as indicated by a nearby LORAN line. At the
same time at a slightly higher frequency (137789.8Hz) some other
signal/noise but not as clear. . Neither of these freq's relate to Trans
Pacific Tests, it be just noise. The attachment does look like qrss. SpecLab
was set at qrss90.

Has anyone else seen something about that time?

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

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Hi,

Victor and LF group,

Screenshot of PA3FNY attached...sitting right across a Rugby Loran line!

73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Victor van
kooten
Sent: 12 April 2006 17:49
To: blacksheep
Subject: LF: test


pa3fny




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