From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:29:41 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FE9bR-0007f0-CL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:29:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FE9bR-0007es-6V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:29:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FE9bA-0000HV-En for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:29:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FE9bA-0000HM-1j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:29:24 +0000 Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.204]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FEB4y-0008C8-2S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 20:04:31 +0000 Received: from GandalfG8@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.1c3.3af086b9 (39954) for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:27:41 -0500 (EST) From: GandalfG8@aol.com Message-ID: <1c3.3af086b9.3135f01d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:27:41 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 Subject: Re: LF: NAVSTAR Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
In a message dated 28/02/2006 16:55:00 GMT Standard Time, g3kev.ham@virgin.net writes:
I have a ships small LF antenna NAVSTAR. It is enclosed in a white plastic
case and the actual antenna is a single sided copper clad board 475 mm long
by 35 mm wide. This is attached to an amplifier with 3 transistors, one
2N3823 and two 2N3904, there are two pot cores at the output side going to
the coax to RX.
Hi Mal
 
Navstar made equipment for use with the Decca Navigator chain, frequencies from approx 70 to 100 KHz, and it sounds like what you've got might be one of the antennas from that.
 
I had some Navstar kit in the past and found it almost impossible to find information.
Unless anybody knows better I'd suggest tracing the circuit yourself as it sounds fairly simple.
Marine low voltage was generally 24 but starting at 12 and seeing how it goes probably wouldn't hurt.
As long as it's not tuned it could be quite useful as a general antenna for LF.
 
regards
 
Nigel
G8PZR
 
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:19:13 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FE9RJ-0008Jw-7m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:19:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FE9RJ-0008JS-3a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:19:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FE9R4-0000Ah-Jh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:18:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FE9R4-0000AY-3G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:18:58 +0000 Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.200]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FEAM9-0006eS-G5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:17:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 24271 invoked from network); 28 Feb 2006 18:17:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@86.135.51.89 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 18:17:53 -0000 Message-ID: <00ac01c63c93$4ac8f1e0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c63c87$671f64c0$1bd0fc3e@your4105e587b6> <000401c63c91$6af36ba0$0600a8c0@router> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:17:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: NAVSTAR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Mal and Uwe: I think NAVSTAR is more likely to be a NAVTEX antenna than a GPS antenna. It might just be designed for 518kHz and therefore not so suitable for LF, but some of these ships antennas were OK for NAVTEX and Decca (70-125kHz) simultaneously. 73 Peter G3PLX From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:04:59 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FE9DV-00031G-Ch for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:04:59 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FE9DV-0002xk-58 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:04:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FE9Cn-0008V0-Mv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:04:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FE9Cn-0008Ur-B1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:04:13 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.de ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FEAgZ-0007wf-PX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:39:20 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 28 Feb 2006 18:02:51 -0000 Received: from p549067CA.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO router) [84.144.103.202] by mail.gmx.net (mp032) with SMTP; 28 Feb 2006 19:02:51 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 Message-ID: <000401c63c91$6af36ba0$0600a8c0@router> From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c63c87$671f64c0$1bd0fc3e@your4105e587b6> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 19:04:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: LF: Re: NAVSTAR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Mal, NAVSTAR could be: The satellites transmit on two L-band frequencies: L1 = 1575.42 MHz and L2 = 1227.6 MHz. Three pseudo-random noise (PRN) ranging codes are in use. uwe, dk1kq ----- Original Message ----- From: "g3kev" To: "rsgb" Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 5:52 PM Subject: LF: NAVSTAR > Hi All > I have a ships small LF antenna NAVSTAR. It is enclosed in a white plastic > case and the actual antenna is a single sided copper clad board 475 mm long > by 35 mm wide. This is attached to an amplifier with 3 transistors, one > 2N3823 and two 2N3904, there are two pot cores at the output side going to > the coax to RX. > > Does anyone know this antenna/amp or have a cct and voltage info. > > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:54:12 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FE871-00043Y-Lj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:54:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FE871-000434-DC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:54:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FE86C-0008Eh-TZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:53:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FE86C-0008EY-HK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:53:20 +0000 Received: from smtpout0182.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.182] helo=n064.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FE9Zy-0007Le-Ou for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 18:28:26 +0000 Received: from your4105e587b6 (62.252.208.27) by n064.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43C54F51005796A2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:52:54 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c63c87$671f64c0$1bd0fc3e@your4105e587b6> From: "g3kev" To: "rsgb" Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 16:52:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: NAVSTAR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi All I have a ships small LF antenna NAVSTAR. It is enclosed in a white plastic case and the actual antenna is a single sided copper clad board 475 mm long by 35 mm wide. This is attached to an amplifier with 3 transistors, one 2N3823 and two 2N3904, there are two pot cores at the output side going to the coax to RX. Does anyone know this antenna/amp or have a cct and voltage info. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:24:28 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FE4q2-0000z6-0o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:24:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FE4q1-0000yH-R1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:24:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FE4pR-0007gR-LY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:23:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FE4pR-0007gI-Aq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 13:23:49 +0000 Received: from smtp11.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FE6JA-000456-JR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:58:51 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 79BEA1C000A5 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:23:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from Mix-Amiens-107-4-159.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (Mix-Amiens-107-4-159.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.70.159]) by mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C92EB1C000AC for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:23:27 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060228132327824.C92EB1C000AC@mwinf1102.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 14:22:33 +0100 (CET) From: Jean-Pierre Godet X-X-Sender: godetj@comcon2.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: TA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit And there, only a good copy of NA, strong, steady, from 0025 UTC till 0545 UTC. Best 73 to all ! F5YG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:31:49 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FE352-0002gA-PH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:31:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FE352-0002fg-IZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:31:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FE34Y-0007Kp-R8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:31:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FE34Y-0007Kg-Ev for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:31:18 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.200.82]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FE3zV-000379-85 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:30:10 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2006022811302801200irg55e>; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:30:34 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c63c5a$63449500$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001e01c63c46$8f31a310$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:30:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: Re: TA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Jean-Pierre Thank you for the XNS reception report. Glad to see we're making it across the pond. Jay, W1VD, WD2XNS ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean-Pierre Méré" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2006 4:08 AM Subject: LF: TA Hello all , on the list ! The last night copy of the TA beacon : 22:00 to 07:00 NA 00:30 to 01:00 XGJ , XKO , XES , NA 04:00 to 05:30 XNS , XES , XES See attachment. 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:25:53 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FE2zI-0007AL-CW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:25:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FE2zI-00079r-86 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:25:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FE2yw-0007Eq-1B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:25:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FE2yv-0007Eh-IL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:25:29 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net ([63.240.77.84]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FE3tr-00034x-AZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:24:21 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2006022811252001400e3hnte>; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:25:21 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c63c59$a8c24e20$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 06:25:17 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA 28 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Low static, good signals and early reception of CT1DRP about 1 hour 10 minutes before local sunset. No other signals noted. Captures at: http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html Switched to overnight transmit mode about 0130Z. Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:31:14 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FE28P-0007pN-7i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:31:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FE28P-0007ou-1Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:31:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FE27l-00071o-Fe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:30:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FE27l-00071f-59 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:30:33 +0000 Received: from smtp18.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FE3bR-0002rU-IC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 12:05:32 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1806.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 880F370000A0 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:30:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from Mix-Amiens-107-2-25.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (Mix-Amiens-107-2-25.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.68.25]) by mwinf1806.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E4A0B7000089 for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:30:11 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060228103011936.E4A0B7000089@mwinf1806.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 11:29:18 +0100 (CET) From: Jean-Pierre Godet X-X-Sender: godetj@comcon2.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001e01c63c46$8f31a310$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Message-ID: References: <001e01c63c46$8f31a310$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: TA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit And there, only a good copy of NA, strong, steady, from 0025 UTC till 0545 UTC. Best 73 to all ! F5YG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:09:58 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FE0rk-0004oL-DB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:09:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FE0rk-0004ma-0O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:09:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FE0qu-0006mi-4y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:09:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FE0qo-0006mZ-La for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 09:08:58 +0000 Received: from smtp3-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.29]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FE2KR-0001uV-Gl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:43:56 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp3-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 7B03A481CC for ; Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:08:38 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001e01c63c46$8f31a310$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 10:08:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: TA Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080905000309000104080408" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080905000309000104080408 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
Hello all , on the list !
 
The last night copy of the TA beacon :
 
22:00 to 07:00   NA
00:30 to 01:00  XGJ , XKO , XES , NA
04:00 to 05:30  XNS , XES , XES
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Hello??? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Just seeing if it's alive. Too quiet tonight. Everyone building a Mini Whip or sleeping?
 
73's
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
EN35hj
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:25:21 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDqnv-00034o-He for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:25:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDqnu-00034M-Jr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:25:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDqmz-0005TF-97 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:24:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDqmt-0005T6-Og for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 22:24:15 +0000 Received: from smtp6-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.36]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDrhZ-00077U-52 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:22:51 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp6-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 46FBD18664 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:23:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000b01c63bec$76ebbfc0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 23:23:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: VO1NA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello all , on the list !
 
Small signal of VO1NA now !
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:11:06 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDoi1-0004AS-Nv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:11:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDoi1-0004A7-L7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:11:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDohi-0005BN-Ni for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:10:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDohi-0005BE-7t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:10:46 +0000 Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.18]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDpcK-0006BC-N5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:09:18 +0000 Received: from fwd35.aul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1FDohf-0006MO-00; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:10:43 +0100 Received: from HW1 (ZkddVYZ6wePn+cL96qwAwtIyMfUDQs9YvhzUB3hjvIJBB4K8Ifm7oE@[84.133.107.23]) by fwd35.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1FDohX-1Bgpay0; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:10:35 +0100 Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 21:10:34 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1365926366.20060227211034@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: lowfer@lwca.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: ZkddVYZ6wePn+cL96qwAwtIyMfUDQs9YvhzUB3hjvIJBB4K8Ifm7oE X-TOI-MSGID: 44a2112a-df33-4660-a47b-a142ac2c80b0 Subject: LF: website update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Updated my website http://www.h-wolff.de/LatestLF.htm with the latest TA captures and also included some captures of EU stations from sunday: DL2HRE, DL2RTR, G3WCB, G3YKB, PA3CPM and PA3FNY(27th). Please note the Link changed! 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:47:08 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDoKp-0002HW-VN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:47:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDoKp-0002HJ-QS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:47:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDoKD-00053Z-Fs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:46:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDoKC-00053Q-Nv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:46:28 +0000 Received: from omc1-s12.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.248.214]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDpEp-00062H-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:45:00 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.122]) by omc1-s12.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:46:20 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:46:20 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.37.244.7 by BAY5-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 19:46:17 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.37.244.7] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1FDm72-23eohU0@fwd29.sul.t-online.de> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:46:16 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:46:16 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2006 19:46:20.0568 (UTC) FILETIME=[7B61B980:01C63BD6] Subject: Re: LF: Looking for datasheets for transistors... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Ha-Jo & Peter,
 
Thank you guys for the information on the transistors. I have noted it in my logs These are very old transistors with lots of gold plating!!!
 
Thank you,
Mike
WE0H
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Hans-Joachim Brandt
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 10:59 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Looking for datasheets for transistors...

Dear Mike,

in an old RCA Transistor Manual, Technical Series SC-13, the 2N1309 is listed as:

Ge p-n-p alloy-junction type used in medium-speed switching applications in data processing equipment. The 2N1309 is the p-n-p complement of the n-p-n type 2N1308.
Jedec TO-5 Outline Nr 3. Terminals 1 - emitter, 2 - base and case (!), 3 - collector. This type is identical with the type 2N1303 except the following items:

VCE sat (IB = -0.13 mA, IC = -0.5 mA) -0.2 V max
VBE (IB = -0.5 mA, IC = -10 mA) -0.15 to -0.35 V
Collector to emitter Reach-Through Voltage Vrt -15 V min
Static Forward Current Transfer Ratio:
VCE = -1 V, IC = -10 mA hfe 80 min
VCE = -0.35 V IC = 200 mA hfe = 20 min
Small Signal Forward Current Transfer Ratio
Cutoff Frequency VCB = -5 V, IE = 1 mA fhfb 15 MHz min
--------------------------------------------------------
The 2N508 is not in this Manual, has obviously been manufactured by another company. 

OK?

73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB

  "MIKE REID"  schrieb:
2N13092N508  Two old transistors that I have and can not find a datasheet for them. Can anyone help? Thank you, Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
EN35hj


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:25:55 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDm89-0004s1-LL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:25:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDm89-0004rr-G6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:25:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDm7G-0004lQ-25 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:24:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDm7F-0004lH-Kz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 17:24:57 +0000 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDn1o-0004ud-O2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:23:26 +0000 Received: from fwd29.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1FDm7C-0003Ry-07; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:24:54 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (SmSnwMZJreaxLaYdgS892aNyf4o3bRqwi4nkd7bdNstobwAv-zqZcN@[84.145.229.191]) by fwd29.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1FDm72-23eohU0; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 18:24:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Hans-Joachim Brandt References: In-Reply-To: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 5.00.0036 Date: 27 Feb 2006 16:59 GMT Message-ID: <1FDm72-23eohU0@fwd29.sul.t-online.de> X-ID: SmSnwMZJreaxLaYdgS892aNyf4o3bRqwi4nkd7bdNstobwAv-zqZcN X-TOI-MSGID: b352b7ec-dcb2-4559-924b-563b278ef0c0 Subject: Re: LF: Looking for datasheets for transistors... Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Mike, in an old RCA Transistor Manual, Technical Series SC-13, the 2N1309 is listed as: Ge p-n-p alloy-junction type used in medium-speed switching applications in data processing equipment. The 2N1309 is the p-n-p complement of the n-p-n type 2N1308. Jedec TO-5 Outline Nr 3. Terminals 1 - emitter, 2 - base and case (!), 3 - collector. This type is identical with the type 2N1303 except the following items: VCE sat (IB = -0.13 mA, IC = -0.5 mA) -0.2 V max VBE (IB = -0.5 mA, IC = -10 mA) -0.15 to -0.35 V Collector to emitter Reach-Through Voltage Vrt -15 V min Static Forward Current Transfer Ratio: VCE = -1 V, IC = -10 mA hfe 80 min VCE = -0.35 V IC = 200 mA hfe = 20 min Small Signal Forward Current Transfer Ratio Cutoff Frequency VCB = -5 V, IE = 1 mA fhfb 15 MHz min -------------------------------------------------------- The 2N508 is not in this Manual, has obviously been manufactured by another company. OK? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "MIKE REID" schrieb: 2N13092N508 Two old transistors that I have and can not find a datasheet for them. Can anyone help? Thank you, Mike WE0H WD2XGI EN35hj From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:48:32 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDhnk-0002Cu-4s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:48:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDhnj-0002AW-UX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:48:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDhnN-0004FW-Bp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:48:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDhnM-0004FN-VN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:48:09 +0000 Received: from avalon.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.61]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDihq-0002iu-Me for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:46:32 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by avalon.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1RClxeK010656 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:17:59 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id k1RClwDE021151 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:17:58 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id k1RClwqb021093; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:17:58 -0330 (NST) Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:17:57 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb lf reflector In-Reply-To: <022720061237.15874.4402F28E0005747500003E0222007374780B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Message-ID: References: <022720061237.15874.4402F28E0005747500003E0222007374780B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: TA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit I copied what appeared to be GRP on 136.318 over the weekend after calling CQ, but nothing else. That must have been Brian but how the D became a G is a mystery. Thank-you to F1AFJ DF6NM F5YG and G3NYK (hope I didn't miss anybody) for the recent signal reports. 73 Joe VO1NA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:39:10 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDhef-0004Mu-AK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:39:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDhef-0004Mb-36 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:39:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDhdu-00049S-89 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:38:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDhdt-00049J-JQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:38:21 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([216.148.227.151]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDiYL-0002el-Hi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:36:44 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter01.comcast.net ([204.127.197.111]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060227123734m11009t030e>; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:37:34 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter01.comcast.net; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:37:34 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb lf reflector Cc: LWCA LF Reflector Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:37:34 +0000 Message-Id: <022720061237.15874.4402F28E0005747500003E0222007374780B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: LF: WD2XGJ QRP X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit WD2XGJ will be in low power mode (~250 watts out) for the next few days. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:43:08 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDgmR-0006CC-C1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:43:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDgmQ-00069a-Vs for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:43:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDgmC-0003tW-Js for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:42:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDgmC-0003tN-8l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:42:52 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([216.148.227.153]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDiFS-0007mP-DE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:17:29 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter75.comcast.net ([204.127.197.157]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060227114220m13002gbc4e>; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:42:25 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter75.comcast.net; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:42:20 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Jean-Pierre Godet Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:42:20 +0000 Message-Id: <022720061142.17403.4402E59B000F1B1F000043FB22064246130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: NA, XGJ,XKO last night X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the report! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jean-Pierre Godet > Hi, all ! > > Good conditions last night : > NA : 2355 ==> 0625 ; > XGJ : 0330 ==> 0650 ; > XKO : 0530 ==> 0600. > > Good copy of NA untill sunrise (0641 UTC here). The last two letters > "NA" received this morning, from 0555 to 0625 are in attachment. It is not > so often in the bottom of the deep valley where I hide my station. > Sorry, no copy of XNS beacon : I worked with a window 4 Hz large, from > 137,776.5 to 137,780.5 Hz, a little more than half of Hertz was missing... > I adjust the size of the window now to include XNS. > > Best 73 to all ! > F5YG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:42:21 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDglf-0000jA-Ni for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:42:21 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDglf-0000io-Jx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:42:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDglI-0003sI-EP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:41:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDglH-0003s9-Fb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:41:55 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.152]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDhfh-0002Gn-9O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:40:16 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter19.comcast.net ([204.127.197.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060227114102m12001bkn2e>; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:41:07 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter19.comcast.net; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:41:00 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: =?windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:41:00 +0000 Message-Id: <022720061141.17695.4402E54C000D26500000451F22069984990B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: XNS,XGJ,XKO,NA X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Jean-Pierre, Many thanks for the report and capture! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jean-Pierre Méré > Hello all , on the list ! > > The last night very good copy of the TA beacon : > > 00:00 to 06:30 NA > 01:30 to 06:30 XKO > 03:30 to 04:30 XNS ( first copy of the beacon ! ) > 03:00 to 06:30 XGJ > 05:00 to 06:30 XNS > See attachment. > > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:00:04 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDg6j-0007TN-5l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:00:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDg6i-0007Fk-V3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:00:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDg5b-0003iq-6j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:58:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDg5a-0003ih-Sz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:58:50 +0000 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDhYu-0007H6-Jd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 12:33:27 +0000 Received: from bb-87-82-27-1.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.27.1] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1FDg43-000OqN-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:57:16 +0000 Message-ID: <4402E043.9050907@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 11:19:31 +0000 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: LF: Looking for datasheets for transistors... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) MIKE REID wrote: > 2N1309 > 2N508 > > > Two old transistors that I have and can not find a datasheet for them. > Can anyone help? > > According to my old (1976) DATA transistor book both these transistors are low power germanium PNP types. Base connections same for both; 1,E 2,B, 3C with the base connected to the case Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:42:56 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDeu7-0004zT-Tr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:42:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDeu7-0004zJ-Ld for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:42:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDetn-0003WV-Ju for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:42:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDetm-0003WM-UP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:42:35 +0000 Received: from smtp18.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.126]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDfoC-0001PI-Se for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:40:54 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1812.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CF395700008D for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:42:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from Mix-Amiens-107-3-108.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (Mix-Amiens-107-3-108.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.69.108]) by mwinf1812.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E5B2E7000082 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:42:19 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060227094219940.E5B2E7000082@mwinf1812.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:41:27 +0100 (CET) From: Jean-Pierre Godet X-X-Sender: godetj@comcon2.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <007801c63b6d$217e57c0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Message-ID: References: <007801c63b6d$217e57c0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: NA, XGJ,XKO last night Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010207040700060404030700" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010207040700060404030700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, all ! Good conditions last night : NA : 2355 ==> 0625 ; XGJ : 0330 ==> 0650 ; XKO : 0530 ==> 0600. Good copy of NA untill sunrise (0641 UTC here). The last two letters "NA" received this morning, from 0555 to 0625 are in attachment. It is not so often in the bottom of the deep valley where I hide my station. Sorry, no copy of XNS beacon : I worked with a window 4 Hz large, from 137,776.5 to 137,780.5 Hz, a little more than half of Hertz was missing... I adjust the size of the window now to include XNS. Best 73 to all ! 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+0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDecK-0004KG-PN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:24:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDebf-0003P8-5b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:23:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDebe-0003Oz-N0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:23:50 +0000 Received: from smtpout0162.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.162] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDfW4-0001GB-JE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 10:22:09 +0000 Received: from g3kev (62.252.232.84) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43C54FAD0054AD36 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:23:38 +0000 Message-ID: <002701c63b7f$7f107c30$54e8fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <856681961.20060226145700@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:56:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: EI0CF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartmut Wolff" To: Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 1:57 PM Subject: LF: EI0CF > EI0CF is still in 5wpm beacon mode on 136.350Khz using 25W output into > a 16 metres high x 40 metres long horizontal inverted L. Attached a > screenshot taken 13:21 UTC Hartmut. EI0CF has been 579 all day with me on CW. We do not need QRSS except under very adverse conditions. I worked OH1TN on CW earlier today he was 579 and I was 589 with him. He is only using a 100w More CW and better antennas and less lazy mans cw!! Mal > > 73 > > Hartmut > Locator: JO52hp From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:06:55 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDdPB-0002B1-Qd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:06:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDdPB-0002Af-HC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:06:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDdOt-0003BU-Of for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:06:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDdOs-0003BL-Vy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:06:35 +0000 Received: from omc2-s7.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.249.17]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDeJG-0000Kc-Fl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:04:52 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.109]) by omc2-s7.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:06:05 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:06:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.37.244.7 by BAY5-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:06:03 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.37.244.7] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4402B12D.7060409@tele2.se> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:06:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:06:02 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Feb 2006 08:06:05.0475 (UTC) FILETIME=[A86F4F30:01C63B74] Subject: Re: LF: Looking for datasheets for transistors... 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Wow that is perfect. Thank you. I have more than a few of these old transistors. Got them in a collection of VLF equipment. All gold leads and some have gold on the bottom of the can.
 
73's,
Mike
WE0H
----- Original Message -----
From: Johan Bodin
Sent: Monday, February 27, 2006 1:58 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Looking for datasheets for transistors...

Hi Mike,

the 2N508 seems to be ideally suited for use in amateur
LF rigs as it said to be specifically designed for
"entertainment equipment" ;-)

Data from 1975 vintage Motorola books:

> 2N1309

"PNP germanium general purpose amplifier."

Case:
   TO-5, pinout=?

Maximum ratings:
   PD: 150mW
   VCEO: 30V
   IC: 300mA

Characteristics:
   hFE (IC=10mA): 80 min.
   fab ("frequency cutoff"): 12MHz (fT~9.6MHz)
   Cob: 20pF max.
   VCEsat (IC=10mA): 200mV max.


> 2N508

"PNP germanium transistor for audio driver and low
power output service in entertainment equipment."

Case:
   TO-5, base-emitter-collector counting clockwise from
   the "tab" (bottom view). Base connected to case.


Maximum ratings:
   VCB: 18V
   VCEO: 18V
   VEB: 5V
   IC: 500mA
   Tj, Tstg: -65..+100C
   PD: 225mW

Characteristics:
   ICBO (VCB=-16V, IE=0): 16uA max.
   IEBO (VEB=-3V, IC=0): 16uA max.
   BVCER (IC=0.6mA, RBE=5k) 18V min.
   hFE (VCE=-1V, IC=20mA): 99..198
   VBE (VCE=-1V, IC=20mA): 180..320mV
   Cob (VCB=-5V, IE=1mA, f=1MHz): 35pF max.
   fab ("frequency cutoff", VCB=-5V, IE=1mA): 2.5MHz

73
Johan SM6LKM

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:59:21 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDdHt-0001cX-D3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:59:21 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDdHt-0001cO-7f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:59:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDdHV-00034p-PP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:58:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDdHV-00034g-DI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:58:57 +0000 Received: from mailfe05.swip.net ([212.247.154.129] helo=swip.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDekl-0005TL-0O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 09:33:31 +0000 X-T2-Posting-ID: 7tTLvD67BptoA2C1rjPWBw== X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] Received: from [213.101.41.206] ([213.101.41.206] verified) by mailfe05.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.0.2) with ESMTP id 35232655 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:58:34 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [268.1.0/269]); Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:58:37 +0100 Message-ID: <4402B12D.7060409@tele2.se> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:58:37 +0100 From: Johan Bodin User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Looking for datasheets for transistors... Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Mike, the 2N508 seems to be ideally suited for use in amateur LF rigs as it said to be specifically designed for "entertainment equipment" ;-) Data from 1975 vintage Motorola books: > 2N1309 "PNP germanium general purpose amplifier." Case: TO-5, pinout=? Maximum ratings: PD: 150mW VCEO: 30V IC: 300mA Characteristics: hFE (IC=10mA): 80 min. fab ("frequency cutoff"): 12MHz (fT~9.6MHz) Cob: 20pF max. VCEsat (IC=10mA): 200mV max. > 2N508 "PNP germanium transistor for audio driver and low power output service in entertainment equipment." Case: TO-5, base-emitter-collector counting clockwise from the "tab" (bottom view). Base connected to case. Maximum ratings: VCB: 18V VCEO: 18V VEB: 5V IC: 500mA Tj, Tstg: -65..+100C PD: 225mW Characteristics: ICBO (VCB=-16V, IE=0): 16uA max. IEBO (VEB=-3V, IC=0): 16uA max. BVCER (IC=0.6mA, RBE=5k) 18V min. hFE (VCE=-1V, IC=20mA): 99..198 VBE (VCE=-1V, IC=20mA): 180..320mV Cob (VCB=-5V, IE=1mA, f=1MHz): 35pF max. fab ("frequency cutoff", VCB=-5V, IE=1mA): 2.5MHz 73 Johan SM6LKM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.1.0/269 - Release Date: 2006-02-24 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:13:04 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDcZ4-0007Wi-DM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:13:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDcZ4-0007Ri-5h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:13:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDcYR-0002vn-1A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:12:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDcYL-0002ve-Ai for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 07:12:17 +0000 Received: from smtp5-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.35]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDdSh-00008x-AM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:10:33 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 1BB2818680 for ; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:12:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <007801c63b6d$217e57c0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 08:12:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: XNS,XGJ,XKO,NA Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060201020808000601040707" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060201020808000601040707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello all , on the list !
 
The last night very good copy of the TA beacon :
 
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01:30 to 06:30   XKO 
03:30 to 04:30   XNS  ( first copy of the beacon ! )
03:00 to 06:30   XGJ
05:00 to 06:30   XNS
See attachment.
 
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Hallo Mike,
please have a look at http://www.datasheet4u.com/ 
There you will find all datasheets for free !!
 
73' Tom DL4EAU
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Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Im Auftrag von MIKE REID
Gesendet: Montag, 27. Februar 2006 02:47
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Betreff: LF: Looking for datasheets for transistors...

2N1309
2N508
 
 
Two old transistors that I have and can not find a datasheet for them. Can anyone help?
 
Thank you,
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
EN35hj
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2N1309
2N508
 
 
Two old transistors that I have and can not find a datasheet for them. Can anyone help?
 
Thank you,
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:35:56 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDWMl-0007CB-JC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:35:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDWMl-0007C2-DB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:35:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDWMV-0001nl-TM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:35:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDWMV-0001nc-Hf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:35:39 +0000 Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.202]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDXpd-0002Pb-Ue for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:10:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 37305 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 00:34:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.50.84 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 00:34:22 -0000 Message-ID: <004801c63b35$9b6c2860$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2b8.547a5e8.31339dab@aol.com> Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:34:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: TA Feb. 26/27 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi all yes with the rx tuned to the right part of the band (!!) I am seeing Joe, Dex, John and Jay....no signs of Warren yet.
 
Alan G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 27 February 2006 00:11
Subject: LF: TA Feb. 26/27

Hi Joe, John, Jay,

still fairly noisy here at midnight UT, but it looks like traces are appearing on 137777, 779 and 781.

Good luck to all

Markus, DF6NM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:26:52 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDWDw-0001qC-0g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:26:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDWDv-0001q5-T2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:26:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDWDj-0001gj-5r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:26:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDWDi-0001ga-IE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:26:34 +0000 Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.140]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDX7w-0005zd-0l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:24:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 54204 invoked from network); 27 Feb 2006 00:26:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.50.84 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Feb 2006 00:26:31 -0000 Message-ID: <002d01c63b34$82caba20$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:26:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Fw: [LW] Borneo - LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Relay from Lawrence Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Howell, L To: Sent: 26 February 2006 23:23 Subject: [LW] Borneo - LF > Ive been looking for the last couple of nights but not a lot seen - the > Loran lines actually get brighter at night here and are not seen during > the day at 137Khz. QRN isn't that bad, as the storms have subsided and > perhaps the monsoon has finally paced it in. > > Ive resolved the noise issues - Im pretty sure we have a reasonable set > up now and just need the conditions - Im not seeing NPG and can someone > confirm its on, and only small traces of DCF39 at the moment. We are > going into the jungle for a few days to survey a new base location but > hopefully the system will remain logging data. My PC has been giving me > issues here and obviously doesn't like the non air conditioned 100F and > 80 % rel humidity of our camp. This morning and at dusk last night I did > see some traces on both Eu and in the Americas watering window but UNIDs > - at that time signals from Eu and West/East coast high powered stations > weren't there so probably just ghosts. Thanks for the signals. I don't > have access to the RSGB LF reflectors site at the moment and wonder is > some kind soul can pass on > > Laurence 9M6/GM4DMA > Kota Kinabalu > OJ85BW > > > ________________________________________ > Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! > Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.shtml > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:11:40 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDVzH-0000fg-JB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:11:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDVzH-0000fN-ES for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:11:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDVzC-0001Yu-7t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:11:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDVzB-0001Yl-S1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:11:33 +0000 Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.208]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDWtQ-0005pp-2f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:09:41 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.2b8.547a5e8 (3858) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:11:23 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <2b8.547a5e8.31339dab@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:11:23 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: TA Feb. 26/27 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Joe, John, Jay,

still fairly noisy here at midnight UT, but it looks like traces are appearing on 137777, 779 and 781.

Good luck to all

Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:08:34 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDVwH-00062G-Nw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:08:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDVwH-000629-H1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:08:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDVvb-0001U4-AG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:07:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDVva-0001Tv-Ny for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:07:50 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([204.127.192.84]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDWpm-0005mL-RQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 01:05:57 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060227000657m14003a7gie>; Mon, 27 Feb 2006 00:07:03 +0000 Message-ID: <001501c63b31$bc973420$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:06:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: Fw: [LW] Borneo - LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Howell, L" To: Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 6:23 PM Subject: [LW] Borneo - LF > Ive been looking for the last couple of nights but not a lot seen - the > Loran lines actually get brighter at night here and are not seen during > the day at 137Khz. QRN isn't that bad, as the storms have subsided and > perhaps the monsoon has finally paced it in. > > Ive resolved the noise issues - Im pretty sure we have a reasonable set > up now and just need the conditions - Im not seeing NPG and can someone > confirm its on, and only small traces of DCF39 at the moment. We are > going into the jungle for a few days to survey a new base location but > hopefully the system will remain logging data. My PC has been giving me > issues here and obviously doesn't like the non air conditioned 100F and > 80 % rel humidity of our camp. This morning and at dusk last night I did > see some traces on both Eu and in the Americas watering window but UNIDs > - at that time signals from Eu and West/East coast high powered stations > weren't there so probably just ghosts. Thanks for the signals. I don't > have access to the RSGB LF reflectors site at the moment and wonder is > some kind soul can pass on > > Laurence 9M6/GM4DMA > Kota Kinabalu > OJ85BW > > > ________________________________________ > Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! > Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.shtml > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:54:29 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDTqW-0005ih-3P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:54:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDTqV-0005iZ-Vj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:54:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDTqI-0001AF-FU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:54:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDTqI-0001A6-1K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:54:14 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDVJN-0001K7-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 23:28:38 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.242] (helo=mx9.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FDTq1-0001rI-6W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:53:57 +0100 Received: from p5486ac02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.172.2] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx9.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.61 #60) id 1FDTq1-0004Jr-0c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:53:57 +0100 Message-ID: <4402237D.2040906@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:54:05 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <274.669b833.31337815@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <274.669b833.31337815@aol.com> Subject: Re: LF: GPS-controlled VHF beacon (GB3VHF) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi David, G0MRF@aol.com schrieb: > Yes a nice off air reference. Andy has done a great job. I discovered > today my VHF RX is 97Hz off frequency...Ooops. Well, you did a great job too.. as you are involved in the beacon too, a short question: We were a bit puzzled about the main "beam" directions of GB3VHF in the article. The article says the antenna was not exchanged, but were the main beam headings always 288 and 348 degrees as mentioned on the G0AFH site ? This would virtually put us on the 'back side' of the beam, but copy was usually good here in JO42FD. Cheers, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:31:31 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDTUJ-0008Kz-4v for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:31:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDTUI-0008Kq-Vb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:31:31 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDTU3-000116-As for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:31:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDTU2-00010x-Oi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:31:14 +0000 Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.207]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDUOC-0005FM-JH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:29:18 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.274.669b833 (25711) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:31:01 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <274.669b833.31337815@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:31:01 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 Subject: Re: LF: GPS-controlled VHF beacon (GB3VHF) Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
In a message dated 26/02/2006 20:56:56 GMT Standard Time, dl4yhf@freenet.de writes:
Greetings all,
This post may be a bit off-frequency but it may be nice to check the
accuracy of the "master oscillator" in your LF/HF/VHF rig:

http://www.g0afh.com/gb3vhf/gb3vhf_press_release.html

Thanks Andy 'JNT and everyone else involved (other calls mentioned in
that interesting article also sound familiar from LF too).
Hello Wolf.
 
Yes a nice off air reference. Andy has done a great job.  I discovered today my VHF RX is 97Hz off frequency...Ooops.
 
A nice change is the usual FSK CW has now been changed to A1A  and the sequence now includes J65B and a period of carrier which includes 180 degree phase reversals.
 
Many thanks for the comments
 
David  G0MRF
 
 
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:02:52 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDT2Z-0001vl-Gt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:02:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDT2Z-0001ve-AP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:02:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDT2J-0000sg-QI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:02:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDT2J-0000sX-Eq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:02:35 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.37]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDUVP-00013I-2G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 22:36:58 +0000 Received: from 88-106-251-209.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.251.209]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 26 Feb 2006 21:01:50 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HANGhAUSHNSw Received: from 88-106-251-209.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.251.209]:4490 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FDSy4-0004IJ-MG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:58:12 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF \(Rsgb LF Group\)" Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:02:42 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: PSU Variac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi All at LF, I wrote recently :- ***************** I have just purchased a new 10 Amp variac off e-bay at the right price, so once I have cased it etc I should be able to take a serious part in TA tests etc. ***************** This weekend I have built the 10Amp variac into a steel enclosure with all the required safety features & bench tested so I am ready to go again, well almost, I have just lost one of the top load legs on the 14 mtr vertical, so another delay. Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:56:45 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDSwe-0004d0-65 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:56:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDSwe-0004cs-2O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:56:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDSva-0000h6-6W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:55:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDSvZ-0000gx-M9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:55:37 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDTph-00055j-S5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:53:40 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.135] (helo=mx2.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FDSvV-0002p4-SD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:55:33 +0100 Received: from p5486ac02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.172.2] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx2.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.61 #60) id 1FDSvV-00021n-Lc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:55:33 +0100 Message-ID: <44021608.7010000@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:56:40 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSGB LF Group Subject: LF: GPS-controlled VHF beacon (GB3VHF) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Greetings all, This post may be a bit off-frequency but it may be nice to check the accuracy of the "master oscillator" in your LF/HF/VHF rig: http://www.g0afh.com/gb3vhf/gb3vhf_press_release.html Thanks Andy 'JNT and everyone else involved (other calls mentioned in that interesting article also sound familiar from LF too). I didn't hear GB3VHF today, but that may be due to poor conditions. It is usually audible here. The nice thing about this is, my LF rig uses the same transceiver as we use for VHF too. Checking the frequency on 144.430 MHz should result in a good accuracy on 137 kHz then... On LF, a new station (at least for DK4U) appeared on the QSO screen today: Georg, DL2RTR in JO62 was "o" copy here in JO42. 73, Wolf DL4YHF / DK4U . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:56:44 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDSwe-0004pz-Fo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:56:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDSwe-0004pa-CX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:56:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDSvX-0000gt-H4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:55:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDSvX-0000gk-2o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:55:35 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.38]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDTph-00055h-Bg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 21:53:38 +0000 Received: from 88-106-251-209.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.251.209]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 26 Feb 2006 20:55:26 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HANGhAUSHNSw Received: from 88-106-251-209.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.251.209]:4450 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FDSrt-0002jn-T4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:51:49 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF \(Rsgb LF Group\)" Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 20:56:18 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: EI0CF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi All, Earlier today I connected the 14mtr top loaded vertical to the LF receiver & I am reading Finbars CW beacon at 5+3. Since darkness I can just hear the cw using the LF loop or the Mini-Whip. I also heard Mal & Finbar in cw qso. BTW : New web site up-loaded although some pages not yet completed. Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 X-Gmail-Received: 708fbb94004b235ac19c914ce5ecfa452de6dc8d Received: by 10.54.71.12 with SMTP id t12cs61923wra; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.48.47.3 with SMTP id u3mr3519531nfu; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:03:27 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from post.thorcom.com (post.thorcom.com [193.82.116.20]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id i1si2641304nfe.2006.02.26.11.03.27; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:03:27 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: neutral (gmail.com: 193.82.116.20 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org) Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCgA7-0008DS-KV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:51:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCgA7-0008DJ-4T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:51:23 +0000 Received: from mta1.siol.net ([193.189.160.88]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FChcO-0003tH-CC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:24:55 +0000 Received: from edge2.siol.net ([10.10.10.211]) by mta1.siol.net with ESMTP id <20060224165048.JHYC21004.mta1.siol.net@edge2.siol.net> for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:50:48 +0100 Received: from y4x1l1 ([193.189.183.39]) by edge2.siol.net with SMTP id <20060224165047.KISN16557.edge2.siol.net@y4x1l1> for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:50:47 +0100 Message-ID: <002601c63962$7174dc20$0100007f@y4x1l1> From: "Joze Konda" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <154.609923d6.3129b248@aol.com> <000c01c6372c$4e2d05e0$0100007f@y4x1l1> <003c01c637f6$6636fcc0$ab547ad5@w4o8m9> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 17:30:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=ham,AWL=0.613,BAYES_00=-2.599,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: SAQ in Nuernberg Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_50_60,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Thanks Jim !
 
Regards
 
73 de Joze , S52AB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 10:24 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: SAQ in Nuernberg

Dear Joze, LF Group,
 
They usually have an "Alexanderson day" broadcast around the end of June each year, but occasionally at other odd times as well - as Gary says, keep watching the web site!
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
----- Original Message -----
From: Joze Konda
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:17 PM
Subject: LF: Re: SAQ in Nuernberg

Dear Markus and all...
 
I missed this transmited SAQ...
How long shall we wait next opportunity ?
 
Regards
 
73 de Joze , S52AB
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:14:28 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDNbQ-0008Lj-3U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:14:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDNbP-0008LX-Ua for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:14:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDNax-0000AX-PZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:13:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDNax-0000AO-3V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:13:59 +0000 Received: from smtpout0180.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.180] helo=n082.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDOUy-0002iR-01 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:11:55 +0000 Received: from g3kev (62.252.232.175) by n082.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43E3F79300290EF1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:13:48 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c63ae7$3fe29c70$afe8fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:05:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: AW: keying Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Eckart" To: Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 4:55 AM Subject: LF: AW: keying > Hi Mal, > did you try to call me yesterday evening. Sorry when I not answered. > Your signal was to strong to read it in qrss1 and to slow to read it by > head!! :-) > > Sorry, and 73' from Tom Yes Tom I called you on qrs 1 and you were about 559 aural. 73 Mal > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Im Auftrag von hamilton mal > Gesendet: Samstag, 25. Februar 2006 20:33 > An: rsgb > Betreff: LF: keying > > > Hi All > Has anyone tried keying the qrs prog ON7YD via a usb port instead of the > norm rs232 or parallel port. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:57:55 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDMPL-0002hX-6s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:57:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDMPK-0002hI-Uq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:57:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDMOb-0008RB-W2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:57:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDMOb-0008R2-8Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 13:57:09 +0000 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDNIc-0002Sp-Ez for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:55:03 +0000 Received: from fwd31.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1FDMOZ-0003Xz-00; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:57:07 +0100 Received: from HW1 (XdhNBGZGYedEvQhepiZ638CvA8wiJGwF3ifr-RttCk5dLX1uwBVFQ-@[84.133.99.65]) by fwd31.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1FDMOS-2IA0cy0; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:57:00 +0100 Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 14:57:00 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <856681961.20060226145700@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: XdhNBGZGYedEvQhepiZ638CvA8wiJGwF3ifr-RttCk5dLX1uwBVFQ- X-TOI-MSGID: 14bd1b43-e880-4d6e-8027-3f051454c890 Subject: LF: EI0CF Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090402000607070208050104" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090402000607070208050104 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit EI0CF is still in 5wpm beacon mode on 136.350Khz using 25W output into a 16 metres high x 40 metres long horizontal inverted L. 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expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Mal, Sorry to be the fly in the ointment re your cw contacts on LF, I still can't come to terms with operating live morse since it has been about 20 years since I used that mode. I was quite keen in my first year as G4WGT then it lapsed to only using ssb & data modes. I listen to morse a lot on HF bands but trying to go cw live causes me go to jelly! So I MUST TRY HARDER to conquer the fear. 73 Gary - G4WGT. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of hamilton mal Sent: 26 February 2006 10:00 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: CW QSO Tnx Dave for reminding me, that only leaves G4WGT to look for on CW and then that will be the lot to date. de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:36:29 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDJGP-0001TF-3q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:36:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDJGO-0001Sj-Rp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:36:29 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDJG3-0007v8-Rp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:36:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDJG3-0007uz-FJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:36:07 +0000 Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDKiz-0004dr-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 12:10:20 +0000 Received: from 88-106-233-16.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.233.16]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 26 Feb 2006 10:35:42 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AcwMACsOAUSHNSxI Received: from 88-106-233-16.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.233.16]:2596 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FDJFd-0007Cz-6b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:35:41 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:35:47 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: EI0CF... Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040604010401090801060002" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040604010401090801060002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Dave & LF, I can see Finbar's trace (today) on my SpecLab (see attachment) but can't hear the cw, loop peaks the signal in Finbars direction as I discovered last night before finding out who's it was. On my wide screen for monitoring the whole band it looked like a string of D's. Thanks for identifying the signal. 73 Gary. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 26 February 2006 09:31 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: EI0CF... 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dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:03:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDIkI-0007i2-RM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:03:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDIkI-0007hr-Gn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:03:18 +0000 Received: from smtpout0179.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.179] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDKDD-0004GJ-Ta for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:37:31 +0000 Received: from g3kev (62.252.228.131) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43E3F7800028B9F9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:12 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c63abb$9417f050$83e4fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:54:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: usb keying Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Rick and all. Tnx for the info abt the usb keying. I will look out for an adaptor, I suppose I could build an interface or give UP !!! 73 Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:51 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDIio-0001u0-Vu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDIio-0001tt-Sn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDIih-0007Uu-L5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDIih-0007Ul-8l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:39 +0000 Received: from smtpout0177.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.177] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDKBZ-0004Cg-Md for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:35:51 +0000 Received: from g3kev (62.252.228.131) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43E3F7800028BA00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:15 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c63abb$95a87b60$83e4fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <44015990.8000609@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:54:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Hungarian LF grabbers... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolf DL4YHF" To: "RSGB LF Group" Sent: Sunday, February 26, 2006 7:32 AM Subject: LF: Hungarian LF grabbers... > ... are both 'healthy' again, or Csaba's local noise has decreased > significantly: > > http://www.starjan.hu/~ha6px/SCG_HI.htm > > Hope Finbar is still QRV today ;-) > > 73, Wolf . > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:47 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDIin-0007El-Ti for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDIin-0007Ee-Q5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDIiW-0007Ud-MS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDIiW-0007UP-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:28 +0000 Received: from smtpout0177.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.177] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDKBR-0004Cb-EG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:35:40 +0000 Received: from g3kev (62.252.228.131) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43E3F7800028B9EA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:06 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c63abb$8fc33c30$83e4fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: "rsgb" Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:51:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: EI0CF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi All Finbar/EI0CF is active on beacon 136.350 khz rst 579 with me on my E/W 80M vert loop. 73 Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:47 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDIin-0007ER-As for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDIin-0007E7-6N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDIiW-0007Ue-MK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDIiV-0007UL-TT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:27 +0000 Received: from smtpout0178.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.178] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDJcS-0000kg-B3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:59:17 +0000 Received: from g3kev (62.252.228.131) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43E3F7800028BA08 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:01:19 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c63abb$97558f20$83e4fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:00:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: RE: CW QSO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2006 10:15 PM Subject: LF: RE: CW QSO > Hi, Mal. > > We have had a CW QSO, 8 March 2005 on 136500. My report was RST429. Tnx Dave for reminding me, that only leaves G4WGT to look for on CW and then that will be the lot to date. de Mal/G3KEV > > I don't copy much CW here - strong local stations only. The ICOM IC-PR1000 > is very broad, and there's far too much Loran clack to hear much! QRSS is > OK, between to Loran lines. > > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of hamilton mal > Sent: 24 February 2006 18:48 > To: rsgb > Subject: LF: CW QSO > > > Hi All > I just worked DM2BHG a new one on 136 khz CW. > I have now worked in the past and present all stations that have been active > around EU, Russia and the UK except G3WCB and G0WGT, I have only seen these > two stns active on QRS and missed them if they have been on CW, although > they are never strong I can hear them as well as see them when active. > 73 de G3KEV/IO94SH > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:44:12 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDIRn-0006Wy-6j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:44:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDIRm-0006WX-32 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:44:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDIRO-0007NY-2C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:43:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDIRN-0007NP-II for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:43:45 +0000 Received: from smtp10.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDJuI-00041e-P4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:17:57 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1009.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id CAF42280014A for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:43:24 +0100 (CET) Received: from Mix-Amiens-107-3-51.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (Mix-Amiens-107-3-51.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.69.51]) by mwinf1009.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 196902800156 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:43:23 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060226094324104.196902800156@mwinf1009.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:42:32 +0100 (CET) From: Jean-Pierre Godet X-X-Sender: godetj@comcon2.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <022520060106.12352.43FFAD8C0008F4740000304022058861720B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Message-ID: References: <022520060106.12352.43FFAD8C0008F4740000304022058861720B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: only traces of XGJ last night Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Traces of XGJ 0230 ==> 0300, then 0400 ==> 0430 UTC, nothing else, sorry... and very high level of statics here. Wish a good sunday to all ! F5YG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:30:38 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDIEg-0002NL-LV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:30:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDIEg-0002Mi-IH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:30:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDIEE-0007H9-KV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:30:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDIEE-0007H0-6Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:30:10 +0000 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDJh8-0003x3-2L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 11:04:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 34597 invoked from network); 26 Feb 2006 09:29:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.134.200.44 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Feb 2006 09:29:53 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:30:58 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: EI0CF... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) LF, Wolf, Finbar EI0CF is still in "NDB Mode", 136,350 kHz 5wpm CW as of 0927z this morning... 73 Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 25 February 2006 23:12 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Mystery signal Solved - EI0CF Gary, LF, The signal on 136.350 is Finbar, EI0CF, in beacon mode with CW i/d at about 5 wpm. Clearly audible RST 429 here with QSB. First time I have heard him. Also visible on Marcus's grabber. Screenshot attached. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:39:49 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDHRT-000872-GA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:39:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDHRT-00086p-Br for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:39:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDHR0-00078Z-3z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:39:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDHQu-00078Q-JT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:39:12 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.30]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDItm-0003ML-Hh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 10:13:23 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id DAF974F4E4 for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:38:54 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <003501c63ab0$13124f60$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:38:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: TA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
Hello all , on the list !
 
The last night small cdx , i copy of the TA beacon :
 
23:00 to 00:30   XGJ
22:00 to 03:30   NA 
02:30 to 03:30  XKO,XGJ
 
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:16:28 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDH4u-00059d-CY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:16:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDH4u-00059R-7r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:16:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDH4V-000715-DB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:16:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDH4V-00070w-16 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:16:03 +0000 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDIXO-0002pW-Gw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 09:50:13 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.2a4.63209da (3699) for ; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:15:35 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <2a4.63209da.3132bda7@aol.com> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 03:15:35 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 Subject: Re: LF: keying Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
In a message dated 25/02/2006 21:05:04 GMT Standard Time, Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.be writes:
Hello Mal,

QRS doesn't work with a "pure" USB port. Unlike the serial and
parallel port the lines of a USB port cannot be used as "switch
signals" (or at least I haven't found out how to do so), it are real
communication lines.
However there should be a simple workaround: a USB to RS232 adapter.
This adapter includes some hardware and software, the last making "to
believe" your PC that there is a RS232 port. These adapters cost about
20 Euro in the shop and I've seen them as low as 5 Euro on flea
markets.
I don't know if someone already tested one of these adapters with QRS?

73, Rik  ON7YD
 
 
Hello Rik / Mal.
 
Yes,   I use my laptop with MMSSTV  PSK31 QRS  etc.  So far, all  work well using a USB to serial converrter.
 
73
 
David   G0MRF
 
 
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:34:17 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDGQ3-0007D4-QY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:34:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDGQ3-0007CI-Jm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:34:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDGPM-0006sl-6f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:33:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDGPL-0006sc-H0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:33:31 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDHJC-0007i6-SM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:31:17 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.144] (helo=mx1.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FDGOJ-0007dz-Ek for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:32:27 +0100 Received: from p5486ac02.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.172.2] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx1.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.61 #60) id 1FDGOJ-0002M5-Ae for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 08:32:27 +0100 Message-ID: <44015990.8000609@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 07:32:32 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSGB LF Group Subject: LF: Hungarian LF grabbers... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ... are both 'healthy' again, or Csaba's local noise has decreased significantly: http://www.starjan.hu/~ha6px/SCG_HI.htm Hope Finbar is still QRV today ;-) 73, Wolf . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:57:04 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDDxw-0007X9-6U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:57:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FDDxw-0007SZ-1w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:57:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FDDx8-0006eg-25 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:56:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FDDx7-0006eX-Dn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 04:56:13 +0000 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FDEqx-0007D8-It for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:53:56 +0000 Received: from fwd33.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1FDDx5-0006pI-01; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:56:11 +0100 Received: from dl4eau (EwI1euZL8e9VYVwo4JviU8FPA-nnPLywfnTFzqL6GrBIAn+mj61b0x@[217.245.116.52]) by fwd33.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1FDDww-1lr2O00; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:56:02 +0100 From: "Thomas Eckart" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 26 Feb 2006 05:55:42 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <000f01c63a42$68cd5ee0$a3e8fc3e@g3kev> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-ID: EwI1euZL8e9VYVwo4JviU8FPA-nnPLywfnTFzqL6GrBIAn+mj61b0x X-TOI-MSGID: 8a0d8b98-522b-49fb-bbe9-53c1f7aef050 Subject: LF: AW: keying Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Mal, did you try to call me yesterday evening. Sorry when I not answered. Your signal was to strong to read it in qrss1 and to slow to read it by head!! :-) Sorry, and 73' from Tom -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Im Auftrag von hamilton mal Gesendet: Samstag, 25. Februar 2006 20:33 An: rsgb Betreff: LF: keying Hi All Has anyone tried keying the qrs prog ON7YD via a usb port instead of the norm rs232 or parallel port. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:29:36 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FD8r0-0001oE-Mx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:29:36 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FD8r0-0001o3-Iq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:29:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FD8qk-0004lA-Go for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:29:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FD8qk-0004l1-1s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:29:18 +0000 Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.139]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FD9kS-0005Bc-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:26:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 8020 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 23:29:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@81.129.63.13 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2006 23:29:15 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:29:18 -0000 Message-ID: <00d001c63a63$4c788d20$f500a8c0@Dell5150> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <1140901388.4400c60c08ed9@webmail2.kuleuven.be> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcY6TxqdG7frxSguSamiBNHCKUPqxwAFBMiQ Subject: RE: LF: keying Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Rik / Mal I've used one of those things with QRS. It works fine! 73 Dave G3YXM. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Rik Strobbe Sent: 25 February 2006 21:03 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: keying Hello Mal, QRS doesn't work with a "pure" USB port. Unlike the serial and parallel port the lines of a USB port cannot be used as "switch signals" (or at least I haven't found out how to do so), it are real communication lines. However there should be a simple workaround: a USB to RS232 adapter. This adapter includes some hardware and software, the last making "to believe" your PC that there is a RS232 port. These adapters cost about 20 Euro in the shop and I've seen them as low as 5 Euro on flea markets. I don't know if someone already tested one of these adapters with QRS? 73, Rik ON7YD Citeren hamilton mal : > Hi All > Has anyone tried keying the qrs prog ON7YD via a usb port instead of > the norm rs232 or parallel port. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:11:19 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FD8ZK-0005Qs-5S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:11:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FD8ZJ-0005QE-SD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:11:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FD8Yu-0004eK-6O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:10:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FD8Yt-0004eB-MD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:10:51 +0000 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FD9Sc-00056j-DH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:08:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 46717 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 23:10:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.134.202.158 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2006 23:10:49 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:11:59 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Subject: LF: Mystery signal Solved - EI0CF Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040006050209080105030203" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040006050209080105030203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gary, LF, The signal on 136.350 is Finbar, EI0CF, in beacon mode with CW i/d at about 5 wpm. Clearly audible RST 429 here with QSB. First time I have heard him. Also visible on Marcus's grabber. 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+0000 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FD9d6-0001Wa-CB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 26 Feb 2006 00:19:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 78386 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 22:45:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.134.202.158 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2006 22:45:13 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:46:23 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Subject: LF: more: 136.364KHz signal Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050804040301010103050509" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050804040301010103050509 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gary, I took a look at the frequency with Spectran, and I do see a signal that looks like rough CW (see screenshot) It's just audible here, with the Spectran audio filter narrowed right down. The tone is rather rough, and I don't think it is an intentional amateur transmission. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM (Slough/Windsor area) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB Sent: 25 February 2006 22:05 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 136.364KHz signal Gary, I don't see the "D" signal here. I have another funny repetitive signal on 136.356 kHz (see screenshot), but I don't think it's the same thing. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM (Slough/Windsor area) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 25 February 2006 21:50 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 136.364KHz signal Hi All, Further to my previous mail here is a bit of the capture attached. Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 25 February 2006 21:39 To: LF (Rsgb LF Group) Subject: LF: 136.364KHz signal Hi All, I have been seeing a trace on my Spectrum Lab for a couple of hours or more which I have not seen before, it seems to be a continuous string of D's sent at qrss03 rate & on a frequency of about 136.364KHz. Does anyone claim it? 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smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.195]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FD8ZS-0004gr-B1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:11:27 +0000 Received: (qmail 41098 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 22:13:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.134.202.158 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2006 22:13:50 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:15:00 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <000801c63972$f4cda290$23e8fc3e@g3kev> Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: CW QSO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi, Mal. We have had a CW QSO, 8 March 2005 on 136500. My report was RST429. I don't copy much CW here - strong local stations only. The ICOM IC-PR1000 is very broad, and there's far too much Loran clack to hear much! QRSS is OK, between to Loran lines. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of hamilton mal Sent: 24 February 2006 18:48 To: rsgb Subject: LF: CW QSO Hi All I just worked DM2BHG a new one on 136 khz CW. I have now worked in the past and present all stations that have been active around EU, Russia and the UK except G3WCB and G0WGT, I have only seen these two stns active on QRS and missed them if they have been on CW, although they are never strong I can hear them as well as see them when active. 73 de G3KEV/IO94SH From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:04:16 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FD7WR-0005Vy-Vd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:04:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FD7WR-0005Vs-Oo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:04:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FD7W8-0004Hg-Ho for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:03:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FD7W8-0004HX-5f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:03:56 +0000 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FD8yr-0001HW-Nu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 23:37:57 +0000 Received: (qmail 15266 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 22:03:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.134.202.158 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Feb 2006 22:03:39 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:04:49 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: 136.364KHz signal Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010209040001090002010301" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010209040001090002010301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gary, I don't see the "D" signal here. I have another funny repetitive signal on 136.356 kHz (see screenshot), but I don't think it's the same thing. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM (Slough/Windsor area) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 25 February 2006 21:50 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: 136.364KHz signal Hi All, Further to my previous mail here is a bit of the capture attached. Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 25 February 2006 21:39 To: LF (Rsgb LF Group) Subject: LF: 136.364KHz signal Hi All, I have been seeing a trace on my Spectrum Lab for a couple of hours or more which I have not seen before, it seems to be a continuous string of D's sent at qrss03 rate & on a frequency of about 136.364KHz. Does anyone claim it? 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(helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FD7IY-0004Ab-NE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:49:54 +0000 Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FD8CF-0004aM-IB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:47:28 +0000 Received: from 88-106-158-8.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.158.8]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 25 Feb 2006 21:48:47 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAGJeAESHNSw Received: from 88-106-158-8.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.158.8]:1734 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FD7HS-000PMt-4F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:48:46 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:49:33 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: 136.364KHz signal Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050803040006020504060202" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050803040006020504060202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, Further to my previous mail here is a bit of the capture attached. Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT Sent: 25 February 2006 21:39 To: LF (Rsgb LF Group) Subject: LF: 136.364KHz signal Hi All, I have been seeing a trace on my Spectrum Lab for a couple of hours or more which I have not seen before, it seems to be a continuous string of D's sent at qrss03 rate & on a frequency of about 136.364KHz. Does anyone claim it? 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:34:56 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF \(Rsgb LF Group\)" Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:39:17 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: 136.364KHz signal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi All, I have been seeing a trace on my Spectrum Lab for a couple of hours or more which I have not seen before, it seems to be a continuous string of D's sent at qrss03 rate & on a frequency of about 136.364KHz. Does anyone claim it? Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:04:45 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FD6ar-0001pd-2Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:04:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FD6aq-0001pV-TF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:04:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FD6aX-0003wA-Sq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:04:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FD6aX-0003w1-F6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:04:25 +0000 Received: from thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.45]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FD7UC-0004Qv-K0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:01:58 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDB2E137E69 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:03:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp01.kuleuven.be (octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.71]) by thumbler.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBDD0137CB0 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:03:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp01.kuleuven.be (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB2CB63E5B; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:03:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (webmail2.cc.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.242.4]) by smtp01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D1F63E39 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:03:45 +0100 (CET) Received: from 14.142-136-217.adsl.skynet.be (14.142-136-217.adsl.skynet.be [217.136.142.14]) by webmail2.kuleuven.be (IMP) with HTTP for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:03:08 +0100 Message-ID: <1140901388.4400c60c08ed9@webmail2.kuleuven.be> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 22:03:08 +0100 From: Rik Strobbe To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000f01c63a42$68cd5ee0$a3e8fc3e@g3kev> In-Reply-To: <000f01c63a42$68cd5ee0$a3e8fc3e@g3kev> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2-cvs X-Originating-IP: 217.136.142.14 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster Subject: Re: LF: keying Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello Mal, QRS doesn't work with a "pure" USB port. Unlike the serial and parallel port the lines of a USB port cannot be used as "switch signals" (or at least I haven't found out how to do so), it are real communication lines. However there should be a simple workaround: a USB to RS232 adapter. This adapter includes some hardware and software, the last making "to believe" your PC that there is a RS232 port. These adapters cost about 20 Euro in the shop and I've seen them as low as 5 Euro on flea markets. I don't know if someone already tested one of these adapters with QRS? 73, Rik ON7YD Citeren hamilton mal : > Hi All > Has anyone tried keying the qrs prog ON7YD via a usb port instead of > the > norm rs232 or parallel port. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:10:24 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FD5kE-0002yN-3Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:10:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FD5kD-0002xt-NS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:10:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FD5jh-0003jn-7e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:09:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FD5jg-0003je-Kk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:09:48 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FD6dJ-0003qC-Jy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:07:20 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.190] (helo=mx6.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FD5jc-0007MG-MB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:09:44 +0100 Received: from p5486aa90.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.170.144] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx6.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.61 #60) id 1FD5jc-00083x-Ek for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 21:09:44 +0100 Message-ID: <4400B986.7040907@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:09:42 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <21f.861fa8c.312cfc09@aol.com> <020a01c638bb$652dfbb0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> <4400A911.8030603@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <4400A911.8030603@usa.net> Subject: Re: LF: Winrad V0.90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Alberto, Well done ! - it's looking very good so far (though I don't have suitable Linrad hardware at home). No problems here with drop-outs, lockup, etc; running Win XP, Soundblaster Audigy 2 ZS, Pentium 4, 1.7 GHz -> 22% CPU load (from Winrad). I have forwarded your message to some EME-freaks in the neighbourhood who will be very pleased to be able to use this without Linux (sorry, Linux-freaks, setting up Linrad *can* be a pain). Have a nice weekend, 73, Wolf . Alberto di Bene schrieb: > Greetings all. I have just released a new SDR program, named Winrad. > As the name implies, it implements some (not all) of the > functionalities of the excellent program Linrad of Leif SM5BSZ, only > it runs under Windows, not Linux. > > Those who want to test it, can download the installer (and the very > important User Guide...) from: > http://www.weaksignals.com > > Please give feedbacks, positive and negative, thanks. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:34:53 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FD5Bn-00032x-Sn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:34:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FD5Bn-0002vu-Pu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:34:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FD5B6-0003aj-1Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:34:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FD5B5-0003aa-H2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:34:03 +0000 Received: from smtpout0174.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.174] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FD64j-0003fM-Ol for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 20:31:34 +0000 Received: from g3kev (62.252.232.163) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43E3F7800028348C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:33:51 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c63a42$68cd5ee0$a3e8fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: "rsgb" Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:33:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: keying Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi All Has anyone tried keying the qrs prog ON7YD via a usb port instead of the norm rs232 or parallel port. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:00:52 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FD4et-0007oJ-Qi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:00:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FD4et-0007nA-Ln for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:00:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FD4dr-0003Qy-8w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:59:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FD4dq-0003Qp-By for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:59:42 +0000 Received: from smtpout09-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.17]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FD5XR-0003UC-8k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:57:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 12477 invoked from network); 25 Feb 2006 18:59:30 -0000 Received: from unknown (151.46.59.1) by smtpout09-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.17) with ESMTP; 25 Feb 2006 18:59:30 -0000 Message-ID: <4400A911.8030603@usa.net> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 19:59:29 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org References: <21f.861fa8c.312cfc09@aol.com> <020a01c638bb$652dfbb0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> In-Reply-To: <020a01c638bb$652dfbb0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Subject: LF: Winrad V0.90 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Greetings all. I have just released a new SDR program, named Winrad. As the name implies, it implements some (not all) of the functionalities of the excellent program Linrad of Leif SM5BSZ, only it runs under Windows, not Linux. Those who want to test it, can download the installer (and the very important User Guide...) from: http://www.weaksignals.com Please give feedbacks, positive and negative, thanks. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:52:18 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FD1iR-00018G-AP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:52:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FD1iR-000182-3u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:52:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FD1hp-00035T-QR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:51:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FD1hp-00035K-68 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:51:37 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.192.81]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FD2bN-0001vO-KO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 16:49:03 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter75.comcast.net ([204.127.197.157]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060225155117m11009tej7e>; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:51:27 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter75.comcast.net; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:51:16 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: =?windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:51:16 +0000 Message-Id: <022520061551.9800.44007CF40008D89A0000264822064246130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: TA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
Hi Jean-Pierre,
 
  Thanks for the report. I was sending QRSS30 last night.
 
--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Jean-Pierre Méré <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
 
Hello all , on the list !
 
The last night copy of the TA beacon :
 
22:30 to 06:30   NA
23:00 to 06:30  XGJ 
05:00 to 07:00  XKO
See attachment.
 
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:13:14 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FD0Ab-0000g7-E1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:13:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FD0Ab-0000fq-6L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:13:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FD0AE-0002qt-FF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:12:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FD0AE-0002qk-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:12:50 +0000 Received: from post-23.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.193]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FD1cq-0005Z9-Bw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:46:43 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:17485 helo=pcroelof) by post-23.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FD09x-000KiK-Ny for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 14:12:34 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c63a15$801f7fb0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000b01c63a02$be3c3440$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 15:12:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: TA 25 FEB 06 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020504020609090103070402" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020504020609090103070402 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all, The receiver was switched on a bit late and I just caught the Q of Joe's CQ. This was also the best I got last night. The signal faded out and between 01:00 and 03:00 a few much weaker NA's were received. XGJ was also visible at 00:00 but no good copy. Only traces for the rest of the night. Conditions were much different here Jean! 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello Mike, Power dissipation is approximately 140 mW and the 2N5109 does not need a heatsink in this application. 73, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:59:17 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCy4w-0006b3-AU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:59:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCy4w-0006aO-3O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:59:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCy4H-0002WU-HE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:58:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCy4H-0002WL-1p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:58:33 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net ([204.127.200.84]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCzWo-0004dr-8K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 13:32:24 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2006022511580301400e3219e>; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:58:08 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c63a02$be3c3440$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:58:02 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA 25 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Some static from approaching storm but improved signal level on CT1DRP. Believe DL2HRE was also transmitting but nothing seen on this end. http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:17:39 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCwUc-0001Y6-8C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:17:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCwUc-0001Xj-3M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:17:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCwU4-0002J1-NO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:17:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCwU4-0002Is-2m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:17:04 +0000 Received: from omc2-s40.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.249.50]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCxNW-0007rj-4o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 11:14:23 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.122]) by omc2-s40.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:16:55 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:16:55 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.37.244.7 by BAY5-DAV18.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 10:16:50 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.37.244.7] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: "rsgb_lf_group" Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:16:50 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 04:16:50 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Feb 2006 10:16:55.0404 (UTC) FILETIME=[9A87EAC0:01C639F4] Subject: LF: Mini Whip question? 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Can anyone tell me if their Mini Whip transistor runs a little warm? Mine is a little bit warm. Not hot but warmer than room temp. It does receive a 21.4kc signal sitting on my bench inside the house. Sunday it will be mounted outside 10 meters off the ground for testing on 2200 meters.
 
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Mike
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Hello all , on the list !
 
The last night copy of the TA beacon :
 
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ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCntk-0003mW-1t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:07:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCntj-0003mK-UU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:06:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCntL-0001UA-8R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:06:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCntK-0001U1-OB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:06:34 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.192.82]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FComa-0004q9-96 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:03:42 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter15.comcast.net ([204.127.197.125]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060225010621m12001d6k7e>; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:06:25 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter15.comcast.net; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:06:20 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb lf reflector Cc: LWCA LF Reflector Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:06:20 +0000 Message-Id: <022520060106.12352.43FFAD8C0008F4740000304022058861720B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: DEX is back Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Welcome back WD2XKO (a.k.a. W4DEX)!
 
 
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73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:30:58 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCnKs-0000BT-8N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:30:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCnKs-0000BG-3I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:30:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCnKf-0001Hi-B1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:30:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCnKe-0001HZ-VG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:30:44 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([216.148.227.153]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FComy-0008Kv-Ju for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 02:04:25 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter20.comcast.net ([204.127.197.130]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060225003011m13002is84e>; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:30:17 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter20.comcast.net; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:30:10 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: MarkusVester@aol.com Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:30:10 +0000 Message-Id: <022520060030.17750.43FFA5120000EA3D0000455622069997350B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: CQ VO1NA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Markus,
   Thanks for the report. I am QRV for Laurence in 9M6 (wherever that is!)
 
 
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-------------- Original message --------------
From: MarkusVester@aol.com
Joe and Warren,

same here - excellent signals on the grabber, NA peaking 0.5ľV/m, XGJ slightly weaker.

Best of luck
Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 25.02.2006 01:08:09 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt jpm.f1afj@online.fr:

Hi Joe ,
Very good copy of your CQ in QRSS30 now !
Sorry i am not QRV in TX !!!!!
73qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
 


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:18:22 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCn8f-0005Z1-SB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:18:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCn8f-0005Wn-O0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:18:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCn8O-0001Ac-0t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:18:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCn8N-0001AT-JK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:18:03 +0000 Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCoam-0008EQ-8J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:51:43 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.21f.894f914 (63024) for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:17:39 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <21f.894f914.3130fc22@aol.com> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:17:38 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: CQ VO1NA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Joe and Warren,

same here - excellent signals on the grabber, NA peaking 0.5ľV/m, XGJ slightly weaker.

Best of luck
Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 25.02.2006 01:08:09 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt jpm.f1afj@online.fr:

Hi Joe ,
Very good copy of your CQ in QRSS30 now !
Sorry i am not QRV in TX !!!!!
73qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
 


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:07:52 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCmyV-00039T-D3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:07:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCmyV-00039E-5s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:07:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCmxy-00014j-Mu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:07:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCmxx-00014a-DB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 00:07:17 +0000 Received: from smtp1-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.27]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCoQK-00089o-U6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:40:57 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp1-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 90D347A7C7 for ; Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:07:00 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000c01c6399f$658535d0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01c63994$56e6d7f0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Date: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 01:06:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: CQ VO1NA Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060308000206040903010005" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060308000206040903010005 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Joe ,
Very good copy of your CQ in QRSS30 now !
Sorry i am not QRV in TX !!!!!
73qro Jean-Pierre f1afj
 
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:55:16 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCi60-0002jU-AB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:55:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCi60-0002jD-5l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:55:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCi5l-0000Hf-Ir for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:55:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCi5l-0000HW-87 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:55:01 +0000 Received: from post-23.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.193]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCjY4-0005XB-So for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:28:35 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:13315 helo=pcroelof) by post-23.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCi5V-0009Zk-KF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:54:45 +0000 Message-ID: <000601c63973$c337bcb0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c638cb$1febc720$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> <000c01c63920$104f7fa0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> <000d01c63972$4b4b0320$2201a8c0@pcroelof> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:54:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: TA 24-02-2006: VO1NA only Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello all, >> On the first the trace << This should be read as : "On the second" Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:49:08 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCi04-0000gl-8R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:49:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCi04-0000gZ-2c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:49:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FChzx-0000BW-FS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:49:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FChzx-0000BM-2N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:49:01 +0000 Received: from smtpout0180.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.180] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCit6-000276-0p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:46:01 +0000 Received: from g3kev (62.252.232.35) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43C54FAD0050BF22 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:48:50 +0000 Message-ID: <000801c63972$f4cda290$23e8fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:47:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: CW QSO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi All I just worked DM2BHG a new one on 136 khz CW. I have now worked in the past and present all stations that have been active around EU, Russia and the UK except G3WCB and G0WGT, I have only seen these two stns active on QRS and missed them if they have been on CW, although they are never strong I can hear them as well as see them when active. 73 de G3KEV/IO94SH From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:45:18 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FChwL-0000M2-Ht for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:45:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FChwL-0000LE-4D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:45:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FChvd-000056-1y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:44:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FChvc-00004x-I0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:44:32 +0000 Received: from post-24.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.194]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCjNv-0005Cs-KU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 20:18:07 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:13310 helo=pcroelof) by post-24.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FChvK-0008ev-U2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:44:16 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c63972$4b4b0320$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c638cb$1febc720$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> <000c01c63920$104f7fa0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 19:44:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: TA 24-02-2006: VO1NA only Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020903000805020009050002" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020903000805020009050002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Joe, LF group, Your signal was visible from 23:45 to 07:00 UTC on my QRSS 30 screen. Amazing strong signals around 03:00 UTC, after which the signal faded nearly completely out. Just before 07:00 it faded up again, but not as strong as earlier. I have attached two SpecLab screenshots. On the first the trace is a little unclear with a kind of small spikes above and below a clear trace. I wonder how these spikes happen to be on screen. No other signals were visible. Best regards, Roelof ========================================================= From: Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt Location: Middelburg, Zealand SW Netherlands, 51 30 02 N, 03 36 02 E Receiver: Tuneable pre-amp, SPM-30 with 20 Hz filter home made pitch shifter. 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majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCfvt-000867-DI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:36:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCfvt-00085y-2N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:36:41 +0000 Received: from smtpout0136.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.136] helo=n082.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FChOA-0003kS-Cy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 18:10:13 +0000 Received: from g3kev (62.252.208.29) by n082.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43E3F793002652BC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:36:18 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c63960$70b28870$1dd0fc3e@g3kev> From: "hamilton mal" To: "rsgb" Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 16:35:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: CW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi All The CW acty has got scarce again. I am active most days between 136 and 137 khz during daytime. Pse call if you hear me. 73 de Mal From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:56:34 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCYkb-0001eP-Aa for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:56:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCYka-0001e4-Vt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:56:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCYjw-0007A6-Lj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:55:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCYjv-00079x-9v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:55:51 +0000 Received: from smtp6-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.36]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCaC3-000825-0I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 10:29:16 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp6-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0C57B184A5 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:55:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000c01c63920$104f7fa0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c638cb$1febc720$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:55:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: VO1NA only this night Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070407070106090108020004" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070407070106090108020004 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Joe , Jean-Pierre and all ! Verry good copy VO1NA the last night from 22:00 to 04:30 On the attachment one sees well the static activity of the night I copy WD2XGJ of 02:00 to 02:30 and 04:00 to 04:30 only partial copy ! 73 qro to all Jean-Pierre F1AFJ in JN06HT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean-Pierre Godet" To: Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 8:25 AM Subject: LF: VO1NA only this night > Hi, Joe and all ! > Only VO1NA beacon received last night, good copy from 0000 till 0430 > UTC. > I saw that my friend F1AFJ began to copy NA at 2230, and certainly > continues until now. 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 07:26:46 +0000 Received: from smtp3.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.28]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCYnr-0007Nj-12 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 09:00:10 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0303.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id B1D631C003D6 for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:26:15 +0100 (CET) Received: from Mix-Amiens-107-4-23.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (Mix-Amiens-107-4-23.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.70.23]) by mwinf0303.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id EE21A1C003CE for ; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:26:14 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060224072614975.EE21A1C003CE@mwinf0303.wanadoo.fr Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 08:25:25 +0100 (CET) From: Jean-Pierre Godet X-X-Sender: godetj@comcon2.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001101c638cb$1febc720$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Message-ID: References: <001101c638cb$1febc720$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: VO1NA only this night Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi, Joe and all ! Only VO1NA beacon received last night, good copy from 0000 till 0430 UTC. I saw that my friend F1AFJ began to copy NA at 2230, and certainly continues until now. He lives about 300 miles from here, southward, and conditions looks better there (RX, ant, location, and... operator too !). Best 73 ! F5YG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:06:51 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCVAI-0005Wg-Hi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:06:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCVAI-0005WU-9x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:06:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCV9E-0006fB-PI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:05:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCV9E-0006f2-9W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:05:44 +0000 Received: from omc1-s4.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.248.206]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCW25-0004S7-Lq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 06:02:27 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.110]) by omc1-s4.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:05:15 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 21:05:15 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.37.244.7 by BAY5-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 05:05:11 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.37.244.7] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001201c63898$e6d8a520$21e4fc3e@your4105e587b6> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:05:11 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:05:11 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Feb 2006 05:05:15.0588 (UTC) FILETIME=[E628B040:01C638FF] Subject: LF: Re: test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello Mal. Working fine here.
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
 
----- Original Message -----
From: g3kev
To: mae
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 10:47 AM
Subject: LF: test

did u get mt tst msg.

mal



From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:06:55 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCPXy-00057P-Ib for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:06:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCPXy-000570-Ei for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:06:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCPXj-0005xb-8w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:06:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCPXi-0005xS-Uq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:06:38 +0000 Received: from cupids.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.16]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCQzj-0002xm-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 24 Feb 2006 00:39:54 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by cupids.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1NN5ES9006520 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:35:14 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id k1NN5EDE004596 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:35:14 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id k1NN5Ep7006494; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:35:14 -0330 (NST) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 19:35:13 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001101c638cb$1febc720$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Message-ID: References: <001101c638cb$1febc720$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Thanks Jean Pierre, I just swtiched on the TX a while ago. 73 Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:49:11 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCPGn-00050j-CJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:49:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCPGn-0004zZ-3j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:49:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCPFl-0005qY-Ff for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:48:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCPFk-0005qP-15 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:48:04 +0000 Received: from smtp5-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.35]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCQ8S-0002d6-Os for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:44:38 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id CBEE21823C for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:47:30 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001101c638cb$1febc720$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 23:47:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: VO1NA Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000202020601030803050905" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000202020601030803050905 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
Hello all , on the list !
 
Verry copy the VO1NA beacon now !
 
See attachment.
 
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht
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<20060223.161833.2980.4.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com X-ContentStamp: 3:4:2067618626 X-MAIL-INFO: 33316d353194f4ed9440405489d12961e449e4c08d21f9c0d0 X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewEHktk5CJ6O8T9Uo/I0vNjUFwqUui+5I7Q== X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m11.lax.untd.com|riese-k3djc@juno.com Subject: Re: LF: test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) GODIT On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 16:47:13 -0000 "g3kev" writes: > did u get mt tst msg. > > mal > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:56:14 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCNVV-0006Iy-Dn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:56:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCNVV-0006I9-5K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:56:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCNUU-0005VW-R6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:55:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCNUU-0005VN-Bp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:55:10 +0000 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCOwR-0001hZ-CZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:28:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 61312 invoked from network); 23 Feb 2006 20:54:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO LAPTOP) (peter.martinez@btinternet.com@81.154.77.200 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 23 Feb 2006 20:54:53 -0000 Message-ID: <020a01c638bb$652dfbb0$0300a8c0@LAPTOP> From: "Peter Martinez" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <21f.861fa8c.312cfc09@aol.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 20:54:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: GPS-locked reception Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) >From Peter G3PLX: Greetings to the group. I was subscribed here some years ago when we first got 136kHz and I was transmitting on the band myself but I have been busy with other projects since. One of these has been an idea for the ultimate in frequency stability, but using an ordinary SSB receiver, a GPS receiver with a 1PPS output, and some soundcard software. Oh, and one more thing is needed - a 47pF capacitor. I contacted a couple of LFers recently, including Brian CT1DRP, VE7TIL, and W1TAG/WD2XES. These stations have been transmitting special signals for me that are locked in frequency to GPS, and these signals have enabled me to confirm that this new idea is working well. The tests also give some idea of how narrow in bandwidth we might be able to go if the propagation will permit. I thought it was time I rejoined the reflector and passed on some of these ideas. I first thought of this trick after I connected the 1PPS signal from my GPS to the antenna of the main receiver, wondering if a narrow spectrum analyser would show this as a comb of harmonics every 1Hz. It sure did, as many people will have found, but I also watched the 'click'on a scope connected to the receiver audio, and noticed that the waveform had a characteristic 'beat' to it. I realised that the beat was the difference frequency between the receiver dial readout and the nearest multiple of 1Hz, and this could be exploited as a drift-cancelling idea. The technique therefore involves connecting the all-important 47pF capacitor from the PPS pulse of a GPS to the LF receiver antenna. The same 1PPS signal connects to the right channel of a stereo soundcard. The receiver audio, with a mix of the distant weak signals and the RF click, connects to the left channel. The software first uses the 1Hz waveform on the right channel to calibrate the soundcard samplerate. The left channel audio is processed through a precision software frequency-shifter, like a very fine RIT control, working over +/-0.5Hz. The RF click in this shifted audio is examined by the clever part of the software and the RIT control is adjusted to zero-beat it. The result is that the frequency-shifted audio has the receiver frequency offset cancelled. The output is as stable as if it had come from a receiver with ALL it's oscillators locked to GPS. This is a simplified description of course. In fact I don't feed the drift-cancelled audio back out again, but process it inside the software, and I think this will be the best way to use this idea for weak-signal LF work. I have done ultra-narrow waterfalls (+/-2mHz), BPSK demodulation, and in particular charts showing phase drift over time to see how well the system is working. Many LF operators have built GPS-locked DDS systems already but this simple technique means we can now GPS-lock the LF reception process, and it's all done in software (except for the 47pF capacitor of course). One thing that this technique is showing is that the propagation medium may be a lot more stable that we thought. I found I can stay within 30 degrees of the LORAN line from Rugby (300km away) on 137.57985440499182885 kHz for days on end. This means there is no lower limit to how narrow we can try to receive extreme QRP over surface-wave paths if both ends are GPS-locked. On the 1500km path from CT1DRP to me (54N 3W) the signal is very stable during the midday period. Around sunset and sunrise the phase changes more rapidly - about 200 degrees/hour. That amounts to a Doppler shift of +/-150uHz at sunrise/sunset. But after the sun rises again, the phase returns to the exact same value as the previous day. I haven't done much yet on easy/west paths but I was able to hold WD2XES within 90 degrees over 2 hours the other night, so QRSS-7200 might be workable over the TA path if we had the patience to do it! There will be no ready-to-fly downloadable software from me. Anyone who wants to have a try at this who has already some experience with soundcard software, is welcome to try it. There's great scope for experiment and new ideas for using this simple idea, perhaps as added front-ends for existing software, or for completely new techniques for ulra-narrowband working. This reflector would be a fine place to discuss these. 73 Peter From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:59:41 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCKke-0007So-83 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:59:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCKke-0007Sg-3V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:59:40 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCKk9-0005C4-Ip for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:59:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCKk9-0005Bv-6k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:59:09 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCLcm-0001Vo-Vn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:55:37 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 23 Feb 2006 17:59:01 -0000 Received: from p54904B7E.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO router) [84.144.75.126] by mail.gmx.net (mp021) with SMTP; 23 Feb 2006 18:59:01 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 Message-ID: <003201c638a2$f014f300$0600a8c0@router> From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001501c6384d$8b3dfad0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> <001401c6389c$bc37e070$2201a8c0@pcroelof> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:59:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: LF: TO: PA0RDF via LF- Group Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Roelof, could You send me Your e-mail adress ? vy 73 Uwe, DK1KQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:16:18 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCK4f-0001Mx-Lm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:16:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCK4f-0001MO-8v for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:16:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCK4F-00051q-Ks for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:15:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCK4F-00051h-8b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:15:51 +0000 Received: from post-22.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.192]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCLW9-0000D4-P1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:49:01 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:11173 helo=pcroelof) by post-22.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCK3u-000AMg-EZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:15:32 +0000 Message-ID: <001401c6389c$bc37e070$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001501c6384d$8b3dfad0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 18:15:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: TA 23-06-2006 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020807000304040302000203" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020807000304040302000203 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all, Joe's signal was visible from 23.00 to 06:00 and peaked just after 05:00; See screenshot. Warren's signal appeared at 23:30 and faded out at 05:00 UTC. The signal was strongest at 02:30. So far, I have used QRSS 60. Tonight I will try QRSS 30. Best regards, Roelof ========================================================= From: Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt Location: Middelburg, Zealand SW Netherlands, 51 30 02 N, 03 36 02 E Receiver: Tuneable pre-amp, SPM-30 with 20 Hz filter home made pitch shifter. 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:49:43 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCFug-0005EB-GK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:49:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCFug-0005E4-Bx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:49:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCFtp-0004Sr-MM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:48:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCFto-0004Si-Tm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 12:48:48 +0000 Received: from avalon.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.61]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCGmL-0007gL-S8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:45:11 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by avalon.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1NCle37032643 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:17:40 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id k1NCleDE027829 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:17:40 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id k1NClemI029840; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:17:40 -0330 (NST) Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:17:39 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <001501c6384d$8b3dfad0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: NA and XGJ last night Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit LF group, Thanks to Jean Pierre F1AFJ and Jean Pierre F5YG for the signal reports. As Warren says, this feedback makes beacon operation worthwhile. I'd like to especially thank Hartmut Wolff for his excellent and regular reporting. He was the first to hear amateur 2200m TA signals and the first to copy a 1600m signal across the pond as well. The Decca amp is working will. I'm using 2 of the 3 PA's to give me 500 watts and an aerial current of 2.8 amps. The conservative operation is due to power supply limitations -- I have only 59 volts at 14 amps. I'd be happy to take any requests for TA skeds this weekend and will be RX on 136.317 kHz. 73 Joe On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, Jean-Pierre Godet wrote: > NA 0200 ==> 0315 UTC ; > XGJ 0130 ==> 0445 UTC. > Heavy storm statics before 0030, between 0200 and 0230, and after 0400. > > Best 73 to all on the reflector > > F5YG > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:29:50 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCEfO-0005he-5T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:29:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCEfN-0005hI-Pu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:29:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCEee-0004Ei-Jh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:29:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCEee-0004EZ-9L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:29:04 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net ([63.240.77.84]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCG6Q-0004W4-G1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:02:08 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2006022311283901400e5ujie>; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 11:28:39 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c6386c$4ae0aea0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 06:28:15 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA 23 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Low static and improved signals levels over previous night. Only CT1DRP received here although I did notice another signal on the DF6NM TA grabber around 316.25 earlier in the evening. Couldn't make out the call sign, though. http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:47:16 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCC82-0004xY-Uc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:47:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCC82-0004xI-Pz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:47:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCC7o-0003st-0Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:47:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCC7n-0003sk-K3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:46:59 +0000 Received: from smtp3.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.28]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCD0F-0005ve-QZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:43:16 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0309.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D2D471C007C6 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:46:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from Mix-Amiens-107-2-105.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (Mix-Amiens-107-2-105.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.68.105]) by mwinf0309.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 25CE41C00795 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:46:51 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060223084652154.25CE41C00795@mwinf0309.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 09:46:03 +0100 (CET) From: Jean-Pierre Godet X-X-Sender: godetj@comcon2.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <001501c6384d$8b3dfad0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Message-ID: References: <001501c6384d$8b3dfad0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: NA and XGJ last night Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit NA 0200 ==> 0315 UTC ; XGJ 0130 ==> 0445 UTC. Heavy storm statics before 0030, between 0200 and 0230, and after 0400. Best 73 to all on the reflector F5YG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:49:58 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCBEa-0000Vc-I5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:49:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FCBEa-0000VO-AT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:49:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FCBDr-0003kD-N4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:49:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FCBDn-0003k4-LK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 07:49:07 +0000 Received: from smtp1-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.27]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FCC6C-0005fT-NZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:45:23 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp1-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id F1FFA7A285 for ; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:48:33 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001501c6384d$8b3dfad0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 08:48:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: TA Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010609070201060609000504" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010609070201060609000504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello all , on the list !
 
Still much of statics this night!
See attachment
I copied:
23:00 to 06:30  XGJ
00:00 to 06:30  NA
 
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MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:34:42 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Feb 2006 04:34:45.0971 (UTC) FILETIME=[79358A30:01C63832] Subject: Re: LF: XGJ, NA, XES and DRP (Feb 21/22) Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
What keyer is that Warren?
 
Thanks,
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:37 PM
Subject: Re: LF: XGJ, NA, XES and DRP (Feb 21/22)


Hi Markus,

    Thank you for the report.
 I am now experimenting with a new keyer that will allow me to mix different qrss and cw speeds - so probably some new errors as I learn the programming features!

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: MarkusVester
> Dear John, Warren and Joe,
>
> last night, strong TA signals from XGJ, NA and XES appeared on the grabber
> screen. The  phase masurement on John's carrier looked like this (same
> parameters as yesterday):
>
>
>
> The results of the CT1DRP phase display in the Eu-grabber panel during the
> last 24 hours are not quite clear to me. There seemed to be a systematic, slow
> colour cycling (about 360 deg/hour "clockwise") on both DFCW frequencies
> (22:00-22:00, 2 min/pix, 2 hour ticks):
>
>
>
> I first suspected that the 0.1 Hz software modulator used to split up the
> 136318 Hz GPS line might be inaccurate, however this would have caused equal but
> opposite phase roll on the two frequencies (one too high, the other too low).
> So it looks to me as if Brian's frequency was 2E-9 low on average, but then
> again, this doesn't really make sense for a GPS locked TX. Could it somehow have
> to do with the DFCW switching?
>
> 73 and best of luck
>
> Markus, DF6NM



From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:38:34 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FC6NF-0000Jn-DN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:38:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FC6NF-0000JX-8n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:38:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FC6Ma-00039k-E9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:37:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FC6MZ-00039b-QZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:37:51 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.192.82]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FC7Et-00040j-29 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 03:34:01 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter17.comcast.net ([204.127.197.127]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060223023736m12001gl63e>; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:37:41 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter17.comcast.net; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:37:34 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: MarkusVester@aol.com Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 02:37:34 +0000 Message-Id: <022320060237.7167.43FD1FEE0004671A00001BFF22058891160B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ, NA, XES and DRP (Feb 21/22) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Markus, Thank you for the report. I am now experimenting with a new keyer that will allow me to mix different qrss and cw speeds - so probably some new errors as I learn the programming features! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: MarkusVester@aol.com > Dear John, Warren and Joe, > > last night, strong TA signals from XGJ, NA and XES appeared on the grabber > screen. The phase masurement on John's carrier looked like this (same > parameters as yesterday): > > > > The results of the CT1DRP phase display in the Eu-grabber panel during the > last 24 hours are not quite clear to me. There seemed to be a systematic, slow > colour cycling (about 360 deg/hour "clockwise") on both DFCW frequencies > (22:00-22:00, 2 min/pix, 2 hour ticks): > > > > I first suspected that the 0.1 Hz software modulator used to split up the > 136318 Hz GPS line might be inaccurate, however this would have caused equal but > opposite phase roll on the two frequencies (one too high, the other too low). > So it looks to me as if Brian's frequency was 2E-9 low on average, but then > again, this doesn't really make sense for a GPS locked TX. Could it somehow have > to do with the DFCW switching? > > 73 and best of luck > > Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:33:10 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FC3Tn-0007s9-JO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:33:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FC3Tn-0007rs-Cm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:33:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FC3TQ-0002n0-Et for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:32:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FC3TQ-0002mr-04 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:32:44 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FC4uy-0007gY-6L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 01:05:36 +0000 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B635078193 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:32:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps03.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.132] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.27I); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:32:13 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.132 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps03.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID138kBVXGN5402X01 Received: from [192.168.0.7] [151.46.47.42] by cmsapps03.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 028kBVXGk0175M39; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:32:10 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.46.47.42 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.7] Message-ID: <43FCF478.70801@usa.net> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:32:08 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002e01c637f5$9a06f420$ab547ad5@w4o8m9> In-Reply-To: <002e01c637f5$9a06f420$ab547ad5@w4o8m9> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID028kBVXGk0175X39 Subject: LF: RE: TS-950sd Comments Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) James Moritz wrote: > Dear Warren, Gary, LF Group, > > That was Alberto, I2PHD - see > > http://www.qsl.net/i2phd/TS950/change.html > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU Yes, it was me Warren, but tell your friends that the TS-950SDX can be made more sensitive on the 137kHz band with that mod, but going below about 90 - 100kHz it starts again to become deaf... it tunes down to 10kHz, but at this frequency you need to inject a very high level signal to be able to hear anything. If his goal is to receive SAQ, then forget it... for the 137kHz band it can be acceptable. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:56:14 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FC2u5-0003ev-Je for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:56:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FC2u5-0003ee-F6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:56:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FC2ts-0002ba-Cg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:56:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FC2tr-0002bR-Vu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:56:00 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([216.148.227.153]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FC3m5-00033o-IP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 23:52:04 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter05.comcast.net ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060222225512m13002h4bce>; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:55:12 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter05.comcast.net; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:55:09 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "James Moritz" Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:55:09 +0000 Message-Id: <022220062255.24833.43FCEBCC000CF82B0000610122007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: TS-950sd Comments X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Jim & the list, Thank you for posting this and thanks to Alberto for the Ts950 mod! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "James Moritz" > Dear Warren, Gary, LF Group, > > That was Alberto, I2PHD - see > > http://www.qsl.net/i2phd/TS950/change.html > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Gary - G4WGT > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:05 PM > Subject: LF: RE: TS-950sd Comments > > > > Hi Warren, > > > > There is a mod for that TS-950 to improve sensitivity at LF (makes as good > > as the 850), one of the guys on the LF reflector designed the mod a while > > ago after he pruchased one & found LF was not as good as the 850, I did > get > > a copy for a freind who has one, if I can locate the link I will post it > to > > you. > > > > Regards, > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > > > Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:47:13 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FC2lL-0002CV-Ob for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:47:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FC2lL-0002CH-Dq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:47:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FC2kd-0002UM-9g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:46:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FC2kc-0002UD-AW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:46:26 +0000 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.36]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FC4CE-0007RA-Pg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 23 Feb 2006 00:19:18 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.140.55906ca3 (58677) for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:42:11 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <140.55906ca3.312e42c3@aol.com> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:42:11 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: XGJ, NA, XES and DRP (Feb 21/22) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050406060005080208050405" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050406060005080208050405 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear John, Warren and Joe,

last night, strong TA signals from XGJ, NA and XES appeared on the grabber screen. The  phase masurement on John's carrier looked like this (same parameters as yesterday):



The results of the CT1DRP phase display in the Eu-grabber panel during the last 24 hours are not quite clear to me. There seemed to be a systematic, slow colour cycling (about 360 deg/hour "clockwise") on both DFCW frequencies (22:00-22:00, 2 min/pix, 2 hour ticks):



I first suspected that the 0.1 Hz software modulator used to split up the 136318 Hz GPS line might be inaccurate, however this would have caused equal but opposite phase roll on the two frequencies (one too high, the other too low). So it looks to me as if Brian's frequency was 2E-9 low on average, but then again, this doesn't really make sense for a GPS locked TX. Could it somehow have to do with the DFCW switching?

73 and best of luck

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Dear Joze, LF Group,
 
They usually have an "Alexanderson day" broadcast around the end of June each year, but occasionally at other odd times as well - as Gary says, keep watching the web site!
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
----- Original Message -----
From: Joze Konda
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 9:17 PM
Subject: LF: Re: SAQ in Nuernberg

Dear Markus and all...
 
I missed this transmited SAQ...
How long shall we wait next opportunity ?
 
Regards
 
73 de Joze , S52AB
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:20:13 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FC1P9-0005Ee-Eo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:20:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FC1P9-0005EN-9k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:20:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FC1P1-000262-8q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:20:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FC1P0-00025t-Pq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:20:02 +0000 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FC2HD-0002Mv-CY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:16:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 7727 invoked from network); 22 Feb 2006 21:19:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?213.122.84.171?) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.84.171 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Feb 2006 21:19:59 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [268.0.0/267]); Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:19:01 +0000 Message-ID: <002e01c637f5$9a06f420$ab547ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:19:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: RE: TS-950sd Comments Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Warren, Gary, LF Group, That was Alberto, I2PHD - see http://www.qsl.net/i2phd/TS950/change.html Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: Gary - G4WGT To: Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 7:05 PM Subject: LF: RE: TS-950sd Comments > Hi Warren, > > There is a mod for that TS-950 to improve sensitivity at LF (makes as good > as the 850), one of the guys on the LF reflector designed the mod a while > ago after he pruchased one & found LF was not as good as the 850, I did get > a copy for a freind who has one, if I can locate the link I will post it to > you. > > Regards, > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:16:43 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FC1Ll-0002nT-1s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:16:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FC1Lk-0002n5-Ti for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:16:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FC1LF-0001yW-0p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:16:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FC1LE-0001yK-Fa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:16:08 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FC2DS-0002LR-3B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:12:11 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.191] (helo=mx7.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FC1KE-0007Gr-56 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:15:06 +0100 Received: from p5486a248.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.162.72] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx7.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.61 #60) id 1FC1KD-0006IQ-W2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:15:06 +0100 Message-ID: <43FCD461.8010705@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:15:13 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSGB LF Group Subject: LF: CT1DRP in Multi-Color... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ... just seen at http://members.aol.com/DF6NM/Grabber.htm Thanks Markus.. did anyone analyse the maximum phase excursion on Brian's signal yet ? 73, Wolf DL4YHF. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:58:13 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FC13s-0003ma-A8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:58:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FC13s-0003kZ-4T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:58:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FC13W-0001qV-Tb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:57:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FC13W-0001qM-Et for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:57:50 +0000 Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FC1vi-0002Gg-BP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:53:52 +0000 Received: from 88-106-252-8.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.252.8]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 22 Feb 2006 20:57:35 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AesRANBb/EODboEjDoJqLA Received: from 88-106-252-8.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.252.8]:4514 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FC0oL-000PWH-Oh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:42:09 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:46:15 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <002a01c637ec$619804c0$0100007f@y4x1l1> Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Re: SAQ in Nuernberg Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Joe,
 
You wrote :-
 
How is your decision about LF antena...???!
 
 
I think my next step is to try some light weight top load inductance to reduce the size of the bottom coil, an idea suggested from several sources.
 
73
 
Gary.
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:48:51 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FC0uo-0001bB-8V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:48:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FC0uo-0001b0-4m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:48:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FC0uX-0001jU-Di for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:48:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FC0uX-0001jL-2G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:48:33 +0000 Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FC2M7-0006S6-SL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 22:21:23 +0000 Received: from 88-106-252-8.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.252.8]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 22 Feb 2006 20:47:59 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HANBb/EOICSw Received: from 88-106-252-8.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.252.8]:4542 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FC0ty-000MyT-VE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:47:59 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF \(Rsgb LF Group\)" Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:48:31 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: PSU & variac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi All at LF, I wrote recently :- ***************** My present problem is that my PSU is not regulated & produces too high voltage so I am using a 2Amp variac on the mains input to keep the PA volts down & that gets very hot (under-rated). ***************** I have just purchased a new 10 Amp variac off e-bay at the right price, so once I have cased it etc I should be able to take a serious part in TA tests etc. Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:14:00 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FC0N4-000295-Cm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:14:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FC0N4-00028r-5C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:13:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FC0MR-0001Zw-D1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:13:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FC0MQ-0001Zn-Jm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:13:18 +0000 Received: from mta1.siol.net ([193.189.160.88]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FC1Ea-00025z-Eo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:09:19 +0000 Received: from edge2.siol.net ([10.10.10.211]) by mta1.siol.net with ESMTP id <20060222201313.ZSLM21004.mta1.siol.net@edge2.siol.net> for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:13:13 +0100 Received: from y4x1l1 ([213.250.5.104]) by edge2.siol.net with SMTP id <20060222201306.VLTP16557.edge2.siol.net@y4x1l1> for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:13:06 +0100 Message-ID: <002a01c637ec$619804c0$0100007f@y4x1l1> From: "Joze Konda" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 21:11:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: SAQ in Nuernberg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060807090608070502040108" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060807090608070502040108 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello Gary
 
Many thanks to you for information about SAQ.
Hopeful for next time !!
How is your decision about LF antena...???!
 
Regards,
 
73 , Joze (Joe) , S52AB  -  JN75ou
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:37 PM
Subject: LF: RE: Re: SAQ in Nuernberg

Hi Jose,
 
Keep you eye on this web site for info.
 
 

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Joze Konda
Sent: 21 February 2006 21:17
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: SAQ in Nuernberg

Dear Markus and all...
 
I missed this transmited SAQ...
How long shall we wait next opportunity ?
 
Regards
 
73 de Joze , S52AB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:36 PM
Subject: LF: SAQ in Nuernberg

Dear Lars and LF group,

very good reception on 17.2 kHz in Bavaria, using DL4YHF's SpecLab. The the soundcard was connected to a 22nF || 3.9mH parallel circuit, inserted in the ground lead of the LF antenna. SNR was about 40 dB using 5.4 Hz FFT resolution, on/off keying depth ~ 20 dB. Best of all are the famous "SAQ risers", when one can literally hear the machine spinning up - see screenshot from 9:04:



Many thanks to the Grimeton crew for the treat!

Markus,
DF6NM in JN59NK
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[193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBzXz-0001Ms-LQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:21:11 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.192.81]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FC0Q9-0001eg-CL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:17:11 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter15.comcast.net ([204.127.197.125]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060222192014m11009teg4e>; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:20:24 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter15.comcast.net; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:20:10 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "Gary - G4WGT" Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:20:10 +0000 Message-Id: <022220061920.752.43FCB96A0004DE19000002F022058861720B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: RE: TS-950sd Comments X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Gary, Thank you for looking into this! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Gary - G4WGT" > Hi Warren, > > There is a mod for that TS-950 to improve sensitivity at LF (makes as good > as the 850), one of the guys on the LF reflector designed the mod a while > ago after he pruchased one & found LF was not as good as the 850, I did get > a copy for a freind who has one, if I can locate the link I will post it to > you. > > Regards, > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Warren > K2ORS/WD2XGJ > Sent: 22 February 2006 18:48 > To: rsgb lf reflector > Cc: LWCA LF Reflector > Subject: LF: TS-950sd Comments > > > > Hello the list, > I have a friend in Toronto who has a Kenwood TS-950sd and wants to know > if it is suitable for LF use. Does anyone have direct (or indirect) > experience with this particular radio on LF? I'm not looking for suggestions > for other LF receivers, just any feedback on the 950. > Tnx! > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:06:28 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBzJj-0007Cz-BR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:06:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBzJj-0007Co-6Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:06:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBzJQ-0001Gb-6c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:06:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBzJP-0001GS-PI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:06:07 +0000 Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FC0BZ-0001ZH-J8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:02:07 +0000 Received: from 88-106-252-8.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.252.8]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 22 Feb 2006 19:05:49 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HALM//EOFdoITLA Received: from 88-106-252-8.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.252.8]:3517 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FBzJ5-000POc-Py for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:05:47 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 19:05:57 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <022220061848.11399.43FCB1F6000D964500002C8722007510900B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: TS-950sd Comments Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Warren, There is a mod for that TS-950 to improve sensitivity at LF (makes as good as the 850), one of the guys on the LF reflector designed the mod a while ago after he pruchased one & found LF was not as good as the 850, I did get a copy for a freind who has one, if I can locate the link I will post it to you. Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ Sent: 22 February 2006 18:48 To: rsgb lf reflector Cc: LWCA LF Reflector Subject: LF: TS-950sd Comments Hello the list, I have a friend in Toronto who has a Kenwood TS-950sd and wants to know if it is suitable for LF use. Does anyone have direct (or indirect) experience with this particular radio on LF? I'm not looking for suggestions for other LF receivers, just any feedback on the 950. Tnx! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:49:49 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBz3c-0006ZV-17 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:49:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBz3b-0006ZA-Qo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:49:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBz2m-00019J-1W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:48:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBz2l-00019A-N8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:48:55 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([216.148.227.154]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FC0UG-0005VF-M6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:21:43 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter77.comcast.net ([204.127.197.177]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060222184823m14003irj0e>; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:48:28 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter77.comcast.net; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:48:23 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb lf reflector Cc: LWCA LF Reflector Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 18:48:23 +0000 Message-Id: <022220061848.11399.43FCB1F6000D964500002C8722007510900B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: LF: TS-950sd Comments X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello the list, I have a friend in Toronto who has a Kenwood TS-950sd and wants to know if it is suitable for LF use. Does anyone have direct (or indirect) experience with this particular radio on LF? I'm not looking for suggestions for other LF receivers, just any feedback on the 950. Tnx! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:35:18 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBwxQ-00005V-Ur for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:35:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBwxQ-00004z-Pa for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:35:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBwwx-0000oY-95 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:34:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBwww-0000oP-Pd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 16:34:46 +0000 Received: from mxout01.versatel.de ([212.7.152.117]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBxp4-0000np-GV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:30:43 +0000 Received: from mx02.versatel.de (mx02.versatel.de [212.7.146.2]) by mxout01.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1MGXiYS023003 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:33:44 +0100 Received: from localhost (webmail2.versatel.de [62.214.100.55]) by mx02.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1MGXi9m027147 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:33:44 +0100 Received: from i577a6061.versanet.de (i577a6061.versanet.de [87.122.96.97]) by webmail.versatel.de (Horde MIME library) with HTTP for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:33:44 +0100 Message-ID: <20060222173344.j5hrm0oy03cwoocw@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:33:44 +0100 From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001c636d8$eb8781c0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <20060221234215.u819ckmvt61z404s@webmail.versatel.de> <012301c6373c$75a2b240$0b01a8c0@server> In-Reply-To: <012301c6373c$75a2b240$0b01a8c0@server> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) Subject: Re: LF: Re: 160m aerial Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Zitat von "J. B. Weazle McCreath" : > Uwe, LFers, > > Nice web site! You've certainly taken the task seriously! > > 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL > Solar and wind powered > EN93dr > Hi John Bruce, ...........yes, I do. but my ex young lady says I`m playing around. I`ll show her your mail. thanks. vy 73 Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:45:54 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBwBc-0000kD-Sd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:45:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBwBc-0000jt-Mz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:45:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBwAj-0000cX-4s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:44:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBwAi-0000cO-Me for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:44:56 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([216.148.227.153]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBxcA-0003ta-H7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 17:17:41 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter17.comcast.net ([204.127.197.127]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060222154430m13002faqre>; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:44:30 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter17.comcast.net; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:44:29 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Jean-Pierre Godet Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 15:44:29 +0000 Message-Id: <022220061544.24681.43FC86DC000D7EB20000606922058891160B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: TA last night and correction of yesterday report X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Jean-Pierre, Thanks for the report. It is because of reports like yours that I continue transmitting on LF! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jean-Pierre Godet > > Hello all ! > Warren and Joe, I apologize, by mistake I gave wrong times in my > yesteday report. To look at the new waterfall color pallettes of the > DL4YHF Spectrum-Lab (many, many, many thanks to you, Wolf), I downloaded > the last version, so the system settings was reseted, and I forgot to > adjust the timezone, so the times given yesterday was french winter local > time (UTC + 1) of my laptop. > I promise you, I stop drinking ! 8=))) > > And last night (and with the correct UTC time, now) : > XGJ : > 0000 ==> 0030 > 0200 ==> 0300 > 0400 ==> 0530 (strong !) > NA: > 0000 ==> 0415 (strong) > > 73 to all on the reflector ! > > Jean-Pierre F5YG > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:31:50 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBsDi-00055O-OA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:31:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBsDi-00054s-JL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:31:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBsCL-0008VA-NF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:30:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBsCL-0008V1-6f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:30:21 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([216.148.227.153]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBt4L-0007Ly-DX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 12:26:11 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060222113005m13002ev9qe>; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 11:30:11 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c637a3$57349aa0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 06:30:04 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA 22 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Low static and weak signals levels http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:27:57 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBoPl-0002QS-1z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:27:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBoPk-0002QM-Ud for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:27:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBoOz-00082T-U8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:27:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBoOz-00082K-Bu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 07:27:09 +0000 Received: from smtp12.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.20]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBpGv-0005sv-M9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:22:54 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1204.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 5C64E1C000F4 for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:26:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from Mix-Amiens-107-2-93.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (Mix-Amiens-107-2-93.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.68.93]) by mwinf1204.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 59EF31C000EE for ; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:26:51 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060222072651368.59EF31C000EE@mwinf1204.wanadoo.fr Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 08:26:03 +0100 (CET) From: Jean-Pierre Godet X-X-Sender: godetj@comcon2.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <21f.861fa8c.312cfc09@aol.com> Message-ID: References: <21f.861fa8c.312cfc09@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: TA last night and correction of yesterday report Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello all ! Warren and Joe, I apologize, by mistake I gave wrong times in my yesteday report. To look at the new waterfall color pallettes of the DL4YHF Spectrum-Lab (many, many, many thanks to you, Wolf), I downloaded the last version, so the system settings was reseted, and I forgot to adjust the timezone, so the times given yesterday was french winter local time (UTC + 1) of my laptop. I promise you, I stop drinking ! 8=))) And last night (and with the correct UTC time, now) : XGJ : 0000 ==> 0030 0200 ==> 0300 0400 ==> 0530 (strong !) NA: 0000 ==> 0415 (strong) 73 to all on the reflector ! Jean-Pierre F5YG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:32:28 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBgzY-0006y6-Gx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:32:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBgzX-0006xe-TW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:32:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBgzF-0007F8-J8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:32:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBgzE-0007Ez-GK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:32:04 +0000 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBhr0-0003kk-8w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 22 Feb 2006 00:27:39 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.21f.861fa8c (2612) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:28:10 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <21f.861fa8c.312cfc09@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:28:09 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: XES Carrier tonight Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000909010103040300040706" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000909010103040300040706 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi John and LF,

here is the result of last night's phase measurement on the WD2XES carrier:


<XES-GPS_060220-21_2234-0830.gif>

This panel displays three amplitude and phase spectra, differing only in the a posteriori frequency shift applied to the right (H-field antenna) channel used for phase reference. Each segment shows the whole night's data from 22:34 to 8:30, at 5 min/pix horizontally and 0.657 mHz FFT resolution (10 mHz/tick) vertically.

- left: no frequency shift applied. This is the normal colour-DF representation, referencing the phase of XES on the E-field antenna to that of the same signal on the H-field turnstyle. The westerly trace can be seen in blue against a background of purple-ish noise, originating partly from northerly Luxembourg-ICM on DCF39. Frequent grabber watchers will find it familiar ;-)

- center: frequency shift +0.309506014 Hz. Same as yesterday, this brings the 137577.00 GPS line to XES's frequency and measures the phase between the two.

- right: frequency shift -0.690493986 Hz, bringing the next GPS line on 137578.00 underneath XES. After applying an initial constant phase of 150° (reflecting the arbitrary start time of the recording vs. the 1 pps), the trace colours look very similar to those in the segment before. This proves that the phase measurement is not corrupted by soundcard samplerate errors, which would have caused phase drifts in opposite directions.

Ok, so here we have a validated and relatively simple (?) method to measure propagational phase variations, which can be done without a fully GPS-locked receiver. But, what's it good for?

Propagational phase and amplitude variations broaden the transmitted linewidth by a fraction of a milliHertz. Thus the stability of the channel sets an ultimate limit for extremely slow QRSS or PSK communication, and therefore the minimum transmit power requirement to overcome a given noise energy. Phase stability over an hour or longer suggests that we could still gain another 15 dB by going from 120s to 3600s symbol duration.

Both yesterday and today, there were two relatively long stable periods, separated by an interval of fading and more rapid phase changes. In yesterday's high-resolution spectrogram (top right), one can even find an interesting Doppler shift between the openings, where the line dips about 3 pixels (0.4 mHz) below the center frequency, and then slowly creeps back up. This is most likely a real effect, caused by changing ionospheric reflection heights. Such Doppler spectroscopy on LF could provide interesting insights into the lower ionosphere, as it does on HF for the upper layers.

Have started SndInput for another night, and also set up an experiment using SpecLab's 0.1 Hz amplitude modulator to shift a GPS line behind Brian's coherent transmission on 136317.9 / 318.1 DFCW - funny effects so far.

Best 73 to all

Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 21.02.2006 21:26:00 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt w1tag@w1tag.com:

Thanks for the reports on the "dead carrier" last night. I've had a
request to repeat it again tonight, so XES will be back on
137.57730950601398944854736328125 kHz <g> again, starting at 2230 UTC.


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B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001c636d8$eb8781c0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <20060221234215.u819ckmvt61z404s@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 23:13:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Re: 160m aerial Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Uwe, LFers, Nice web site! You've certainly taken the task seriously! 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2006 10:42 PM Subject: LF: 160m aerial > > Hi all, > > during TA observations I accidentaly connected the 160m dipol. > pse see the result on the site > > http://home.versanet.de/~uwe-jannsen/two > > last image. > > regards > Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:43:34 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBgEG-0003Tq-MV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:43:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBgEG-0003Sr-5P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 22:43:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBgDQ-0006zN-M4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; 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charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi all, during TA observations I accidentaly connected the 160m dipol. pse see the result on the site http://home.versanet.de/~uwe-jannsen/two last image. regards Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:39:29 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBfEC-0007Xy-T5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:39:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBfEC-0007XU-M2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:39:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBfDq-0006nJ-2Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; 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boundary="------------050904010302060407010700" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050904010302060407010700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Jose,
 
Keep you eye on this web site for info.
 
 

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Joze Konda
Sent: 21 February 2006 21:17
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: SAQ in Nuernberg

Dear Markus and all...
 
I missed this transmited SAQ...
How long shall we wait next opportunity ?
 
Regards
 
73 de Joze , S52AB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:36 PM
Subject: LF: SAQ in Nuernberg

Dear Lars and LF group,

very good reception on 17.2 kHz in Bavaria, using DL4YHF's SpecLab. The the soundcard was connected to a 22nF || 3.9mH parallel circuit, inserted in the ground lead of the LF antenna. SNR was about 40 dB using 5.4 Hz FFT resolution, on/off keying depth ~ 20 dB. Best of all are the famous "SAQ risers", when one can literally hear the machine spinning up - see screenshot from 9:04:



Many thanks to the Grimeton crew for the treat!

Markus,
DF6NM in JN59NK
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Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: LF: Re: SAQ in Nuernberg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050603040701050006060903" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050603040701050006060903 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Dear Markus and all...
 
I missed this transmited SAQ...
How long shall we wait next opportunity ?
 
Regards
 
73 de Joze , S52AB
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:36 PM
Subject: LF: SAQ in Nuernberg

Dear Lars and LF group,

very good reception on 17.2 kHz in Bavaria, using DL4YHF's SpecLab. The the soundcard was connected to a 22nF || 3.9mH parallel circuit, inserted in the ground lead of the LF antenna. SNR was about 40 dB using 5.4 Hz FFT resolution, on/off keying depth ~ 20 dB. Best of all are the famous "SAQ risers", when one can literally hear the machine spinning up - see screenshot from 9:04:



Many thanks to the Grimeton crew for the treat!

Markus,
DF6NM in JN59NK
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[193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBe4i-0006Vo-4a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:25:32 +0000 Received: from smtpout09-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBfVt-0003h7-UJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 21:57:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 3941 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 20:25:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout09-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.17) with ESMTP; 21 Feb 2006 20:25:04 -0000 Message-ID: <43FB785C.8020409@w1tag.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:30:20 -0500 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: XES Carrier tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Thanks for the reports on the "dead carrier" last night. I've had a request to repeat it again tonight, so XES will be back on 137.57730950601398944854736328125 kHz again, starting at 2230 UTC. The CW ID is at 30 minute intervals, and should be rather exactly at the top and bottom of the hour. The next step will be to send a little repeating PSK message, probably with 2-min/bit timing. Details tomorrow. Markus: Special thanks for your analysis thus far. One obvious issue is the phase stability of this sort of path, and the information will be useful. Am very interested to see any results from last night's unkeyed run. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:00:36 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBdgZ-0000Tv-1N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:00:36 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBdgY-0000TX-Pz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:00:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBdfb-0006Ny-67 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:59:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBdfa-0006Np-Ip for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:59:34 +0000 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBeXH-0002IA-6O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:55:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 34452 invoked from network); 21 Feb 2006 19:58:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.141.127.211 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Feb 2006 19:58:30 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:59:51 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1d7.4ec33497.312c26e6@aol.com> Subject: LF: Slow PSK on Feb. 20/21 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030408090701050608060809" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030408090701050608060809 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Dear John, LF,
 
I didn't copy the XES unmodulated carrier until about 0000 utc last night, and reception was spotty until about 0200z/21st Thereafter, reception was solid until fadeout at about 0900z. The morse i/d "splodges" seemed to be about 40 minutes apart. Note also that my RX calibration is slightly "out"..
 
ARGO dot 120 screenshot taken at 0659z attached.
 
73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
 
 
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1FBbhE-00083R-6C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:53:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBbgM-00068v-W3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:52:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBbgM-00068m-Ko for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 17:52:14 +0000 Received: from smtp6.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.25]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBd7X-0002V3-IQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 19:24:38 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0607.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id E00D81C001CD for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:51:53 +0100 (CET) Received: from Mix-Amiens-107-3-142.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (Mix-Amiens-107-3-142.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.69.142]) by mwinf0607.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 156101C001B0 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:51:52 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060221175153876.156101C001B0@mwinf0607.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 18:51:05 +0100 (CET) From: Jean-Pierre Godet X-X-Sender: godetj@comcon2.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: NA and XGJ last night Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi, my friends ! As Jean-Pierre/F1AFJ reported yesterday, early in the evening, a good signal from VO1NA, at once, in a hurry, I moved around 137.777 kHz. But, unlike as usual, it seems that Joe VO1NA comes first to the Centre of France (F1AFJ), and only after a lot of time in the North (F5YG), and was strong enought after the sunrise. In fact, here in the deep geological hole where I hide my Marconi, it's the first time when I received VO1NA for a so long time, and especially after the sunrise (0652 UTC here in JN09XI) and the signal from Warren WD2XGJ/K2ORS was strong, too. 1) traces of VO1NA 0100 ==> 0300 UTC ; 2) good copy of VO1NA 0300 ==> 0810 UTC ; 3) good copy of WD2XGJ from 0400 ==> 0550 UTC. Best 73 to all on the reflector ! Jean-Pierre F5YG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:49:35 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBYpZ-0008Od-Hq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:49:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBYpZ-0008OD-EQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:49:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBYob-0005mo-RT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:48:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBYoY-0005mf-F4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 14:48:30 +0000 Received: from smtp5-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBaFe-0000iY-V4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 16:20:51 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DB9C1806F for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:47:43 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000d01c636f5$c4e8db00$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002001c636d8$eb8781c0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 15:47:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Test de f1afj pour f5yg Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Salut J-P yg
 
73 J-P afj
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:22:56 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBVbb-0002u3-H5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:22:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBVbb-0002tk-56 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:22:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBVah-00057M-6F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:21:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBVag-00057D-FI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:21:58 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net ([204.127.200.84]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBWSC-0006m3-3w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 12:17:18 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2006022111211201400e4fsae>; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 11:21:12 +0000 Message-ID: <002001c636d8$eb8781c0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:20:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA 21 FEB 06 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020504060801030103060105" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020504060801030103060105 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 A brief listening session revealed CT1DRP solid O copy around 0500Z . No other signals noted. Lack of EU signals, SAQ test, testing of WD2XNS and listening for VE7TIL has curtailed TA reception of late. Will continue to monitor when signals present in TA window.
 
 
Jay, W1VD
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HI All
PA3FNY has been testing this past week.
Good signal with me
 
73 Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:14:00 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBTao-0004aR-Km for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:14:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBTao-0004aB-F1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:13:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBTZy-0004g2-O0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:13:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBTZy-0004ft-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:13:06 +0000 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.30]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBURS-0005j1-Be for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:08:23 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1706C1C00D48 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:12:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from Mix-Amiens-107-2-238.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (Mix-Amiens-107-2-238.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.68.238]) by mwinf0108.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2E8B61C00D44 for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:12:45 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060221091246192.2E8B61C00D44@mwinf0108.wanadoo.fr Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 10:11:58 +0100 (CET) From: Jean-Pierre Godet X-X-Sender: godetj@comcon2.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <004e01c636b6$14599200$0201a8c0@private.network> Message-ID: References: <004e01c636b6$14599200$0201a8c0@private.network> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: NA and XGJ last night Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi, my friends ! As Jean-Pierre/F1AFJ reported yesterday, early in the evening, a good signal from VO1NA, at once, in a hurry, I moved around 137.777 kHz. But, unlike as usual, it seems that Joe VO1NA comes first to the Centre of France (F1AFJ), and only after a lot of time in the North (F5YG), and was strong enought after the sunrise. In fact, here in the deep geological hole where I hide my Marconi, it's the first time when I received VO1NA for a so long time, and especially after the sunrise (0652 UTC here in JN09XI) and the signal from Warren WD2XGJ/K2ORS was strong, too. 1) traces of VO1NA 0100 ==> 0300 UTC ; 2) good copy of VO1NA 0300 ==> 0810 UTC ; 3) good copy of WD2XGJ from 0400 ==> 0550 UTC. Best 73 to all on the reflector ! Jean-Pierre F5YG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:19:59 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBSkY-000689-QX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:19:59 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBSkY-00067q-I7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:19:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBSjt-0004T4-50 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:19:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBSjs-0004Sv-PS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:19:16 +0000 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBUAp-0005fc-ND for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 09:51:31 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.1d7.4ec33497 (4402) for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:18:47 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <1d7.4ec33497.312c26e6@aol.com> Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 03:18:46 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: Slow PSK on Feb. 19/20 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Doo-be-doo, two and two... In my last posting, there were at least two errors concerning missing factors of two, one obviously in the subject line. The other one regarding the narrowband FFT resolutions, that should have said 129.8 ľHz (~ two hours of coherent integration) and 0.52 mHz instead of 64.9 and 0.26 - I had missed the doubled samplerate when resampling from IQ to real-valued wav format.

Saw traces of John's silent carrier on the grabber between midnight and 06:30; narrowband evaluation will have to wait till the evening. As Jean-Pierre mentioned, static levels were quite high, nevertheless VO1NA "O" at 06:00.

73 de Markus (off to work)
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:12:27 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBRhC-00073R-VF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:12:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBRhC-00073I-QM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:12:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBRgx-0004Gd-Jw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:12:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBRgx-0004GU-55 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:12:11 +0000 Received: from outbound01.telus.net ([199.185.220.220] helo=priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBT7x-00056F-HF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 08:44:24 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060221071148.SLAH11699.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:11:48 -0700 Message-ID: <004e01c636b6$14599200$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:11:47 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Caution to the wind... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
With the corona suppression in place and the weather forecast to be stable TIL will run all night until dawn, meltdown or cat electrocution pending.
 
137778.00 +0.2 DFCW
 
night all...
 
Scott
 
PS my new server was installed tonight and should be operational within the next couple of days.  Therefore, the TIL grabber is down until then (one free MAC address and the server gets it...)
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:49:59 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBRLS-0003tT-0V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:49:59 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBRLR-0003t9-HT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:49:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBRKn-00049Z-JC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:49:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBRKk-00049Q-2e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 06:49:14 +0000 Received: from smtp2-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.28]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBSC9-0004mr-VU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:44:28 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp2-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id D0E366CCDA for ; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:49:10 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001001c636b2$e910d1b0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 07:49:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: TA Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040903070009070208010409" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040903070009070208010409 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello all on the list !
Good propagation the night spent 
always enormously from statics !
I copy :
 
21:30 to 06:30  VO1NA in QRSS30
00:30 to 05:30  WD2XGJ in QRSS30
 
see attachments
 
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X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Received both the 09:00 and 13:00 transmissions at a location about 50 miles west of Washington DC. The signal was just above the noise. I could copy a few letters now and then. But the signal could be easily seen with Spectrogram. I recorded almost 50 mb of .wav files. I will put the files on a web page in the next week or so and send the URL. Sandy WB5MMB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:33:38 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBLTD-000861-So for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:33:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBLTD-00080o-Iz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:33:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBLSC-0003Hr-3I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:32:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBLS8-0003Hi-LA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 00:32:28 +0000 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBMJR-0002hZ-Aj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2006 01:27:34 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.2d3.339fe74 (18555) for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:28:30 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <2d3.339fe74.312bb8ae@aol.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:28:30 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: Slow PSK on Feb. 19/10 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020903010908050102090303" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020903010908050102090303 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear John and LF,

WD2XES was received again here last night. On Argo 120 at 5.4 mHz resolution, the signal looked like this (22:15 to 8:15):



A few hints of the PSK blips can be guessed, but nowhere as clear as in the UK recordings from Jim and Dave. No other signal was seen within a couple of Hz.

Processing the narrowband recording produced the following panel. It shows XES on the E-field antenna at the top, and a GPS 1pps harmonic (coupled via 33 pF to the H-field antenna) on 137577.0 at the bottom. On the left side, there is a spectrogram having 64.5 microHertz FFT resolution, 10 minutes per pixel from 19:49 to 9:07 UT. On the right, the signal was despread by multiplying with a properly timed 2x15 minute PSK sequence, as done before:



The lower trace shows that the OCXO, though still free running, provided much better stability than the simple homebrew heated crystal. Total frequency variation improved from 3.5 mHz last time to better than one pixel (0.065 mHz), including the effect of the soundcard on the 952 Hz audio.

The stability of the traces encouraged me to try to make an absolute phase measurement and look for propagational variations. To this end, the GPS carrier on the right stereo channel was shifted by up by 0.309506014 Hz in software, and compared against the left channel containing the unspread signal from XES, using SpecLab's colour-DF setting to display phase difference as colour hue. This screenshot has 0.26 mHz FFT resolution and was flipped to have HF up:



With this technique, any LO drift is eliminated, leaving only soundcard samplerate deviations, but these affect only the small frequency difference to the nearest Hz. For 0.31 Hz offset, the estimated calibration error of 0.05 Hz would accumulate a phase error of no more than +-25 degrees in 13.3 hours. The samplerate could also be accounted for if the recording had been wide enough to contain more than a single GPS line. This was not the case last night as I used a decimated rate of 11027.15Hz/10368.

Other sources of phase errors could lie in the transmit and receive hardware (especially the narrowband antennas), or in the common GPS timing, but presumebly these are small compared to the skywave propagation effects.

In case anyone is interested in the decimated audio data, I uploadeded it to http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/SlowPSK/ . The dat files generated by DL4YHF's SndInput tool are 4 bytes per sample (8 bits IQ stereo, LI LQ RI RQ), without a header.

For tonight, I have switched back to 4096-fold decimation since 22:34. At the moment things look rather noisy - but we'll see.

73 and best wishes

Markus, DF6NM
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X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello all , on the list !
 
Verry good copy of the VO1NA beacon now !
 
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:17:15 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBJLG-0003PS-Cn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:17:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBJLG-0003PH-98 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:17:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBJL1-0002t5-68 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:16:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBJL0-0002sw-CA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:16:58 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net ([165.212.64.33]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBKCG-0001ou-9W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:12:01 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net (cmsout03.mbox.net [165.212.64.33]) by cmsout03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80011121 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:16:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg131.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.131] by cmsout03.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.27I); Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:16:13 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.131 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg131.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID793kBTwqN1708X03 Received: from [192.168.0.7] [151.46.165.219] by uadvg131.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 975kBTwqL0134M31; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:16:11 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.46.165.219 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.7] Message-ID: <43FA3FAC.7090202@usa.net> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:16:12 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43F845D0.3090607@usa.net> <003101c6354c$7708f460$810b6051@AUG2004> <43F87D58.6020403@usa.net> <20060220183838.safrf8j5vxf4sw4k@webmail.versatel.de> In-Reply-To: <20060220183838.safrf8j5vxf4sw4k@webmail.versatel.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID975kBTwqL0134X31 Subject: LF: Re: SAQ at 13:00Z, this time with an NRD-525 Rx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) uwe-jannsen@versanet.de wrote: > > Hi Alberto, > .............and it`s Marquee tool is vy useful too. pse see attachment. > > Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv Hi Uwe, nice tool! I hadn't ever used nor even noticed it in Audition. Well,every day one learns new things... Thanks for bringing my attention to it. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:03:01 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBJ7U-000290-7Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:03:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBJ7T-00028j-Ue for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:03:00 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBJ7H-0002mQ-40 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:02:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBJ7G-0002mH-Pd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:02:46 +0000 Received: from mxsf34.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBKY8-00010n-5x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 23:34:51 +0000 Received: from mxip34a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip34a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.249]) by mxsf34.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1KM2MP7002411 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:02:22 -0500 Received: from 68-118-232-97.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([68.118.232.97]) by mxip34a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 20 Feb 2006 17:02:21 -0500 Message-ID: <43FA3CC0.1060003@w1tag.com> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:03:44 +0000 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43F8C705.5050606@w1tag.com> In-Reply-To: <43F8C705.5050606@w1tag.com> Subject: Re: LF: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Tonight's WD2XES test will be a dead carrier on 137,577.309506014 Hz, interrupted only by CW ID's on the top and bottom of the hour. There will be no (intentional) phase changes at this end. The carrier went on at 2200 UTC. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:54:52 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBIza-0007UC-49 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:54:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBIzZ-0007TU-Ml for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:54:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBIyk-0002gI-Qf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:53:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBIyk-0002g9-7Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:53:58 +0000 Received: from post-22.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.192]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBJq0-0001bm-0Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:49:01 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:19875 helo=pcroelof) by post-22.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBIxU-0004IQ-AC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 21:52:41 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c63667$f85f89e0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <021120062314.23445.43EE6FF10005301C00005B9522073000330B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 22:52:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: SAQ at pa0rdt Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040100090805090206040803" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040100090805090206040803 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all, I played a bit with my recording of SAQ and could squeeze a small part in 15 kB. Besides a volume correction no other processing has been made on the original recording. Bandwidth is 700 Hz. 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([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBGh4-0005x3-KB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:27:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBGgk-0002QN-Pw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:27:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBGgk-0002QE-5L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:27:14 +0000 Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.139]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBHXw-00009r-Rs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 20:22:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 83979 invoked from network); 20 Feb 2006 19:27:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.141.120.248 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Feb 2006 19:27:11 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:28:25 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000001c63610$47553160$e6a4c593@RD40002> Subject: LF: XES Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080208010608020801050202" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080208010608020801050202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear John and group. ARGO dot 120 screenshot attached of XES covering 05-09utc 20 Feb. The signal was remarkably constant right through the night, and disappeared at about 0900utc. The i/d bursts are visible as fuzzy blobs. Full ARGO screenshots of the entire period are available if anybody wants them. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of james moritz Sent: 20 February 2006 11:25 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RE: Slow BPSK Test Dear John, LF Group, The attachment shows about 6 hours worth of sigs from WD2XES between about 0230utc and 0830, using SpecLab set for about 0.005Hz FFT bins. This is much wider than the sidebands produced by the modulation, of course, so the phase transitions show up as "blips" every 15min. The signal is displayed about 0.04Hz below the nominal frequency - each division is 0.2Hz - but I did not get round to calibrating the RX or sound card. 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Feb 2006 18:43:34 +0000 Received: from smtp12.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.20]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBGrg-0008ND-Rp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:38:33 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1206.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 24B761C00102 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:43:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from john-b5a82ea1a4 (Mix-Dijon-114-4-196.w193-249.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.249.233.196]) by mwinf1206.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3B5351C000F9; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:43:23 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060220184327243.3B5351C000F9@mwinf1206.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <200602201942570687.46293BAA@smtp.wanadoo.fr> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 19:42:57 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: sm6nm@telia.com, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: SAQ in France Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Confirming reception of SAQ on 17.2kHz, 19 February 2006 at approximately 1330 UTC. Location: 47° N 4° E in the department of the Nievre. Signal was RST 559. Antenna: 12 turn loop 80 centimetres on each side (normally used for cave radio) Receiver: Datong converter to 28MHz plus Lowe HF250. Bandwidth 200 hertz. Regards, John Rabson F/G3PAI/P From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:41:11 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBF25-0002ld-Ob for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:41:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FBF25-0002jh-92 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:41:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FBF0k-00025s-RZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:39:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FBF0k-00025j-1f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:39:46 +0000 Received: from mxout02.versatel.de ([212.7.152.119]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBFru-0007yw-Ex for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:34:43 +0000 Received: from mx02.versatel.de (mx02.versatel.de [212.7.146.2]) by mxout02.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1KHcc2E002461 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:38:38 +0100 Received: from localhost ([62.214.100.62]) by mx02.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1KHcccm005087 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:38:38 +0100 Received: from i577a4cbc.versanet.de (i577a4cbc.versanet.de [87.122.76.188]) by webmail.versatel.de (Horde MIME library) with HTTP for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:38:38 +0100 Message-ID: <20060220183838.safrf8j5vxf4sw4k@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:38:38 +0100 From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43F845D0.3090607@usa.net> <003101c6354c$7708f460$810b6051@AUG2004> <43F87D58.6020403@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <43F87D58.6020403@usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) Subject: Re: LF: SAQ at 13:00Z, this time with an NRD-525 Rx Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000700040304030001020504" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000700040304030001020504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Zitat von Alberto di Bene : > For the transmission of 13:00Z I connected the active mini whip to > the JRC NRD-525 Rx. The quality of the reception was inferior to that > of the morning, but I recorded the audio and post-processed it with > Adobe Audition 1.5, which is an excellent tool for audio management. > Hi Alberto, .............and it`s Marquee tool is vy useful too. pse see attachment. 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[193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FB9Fo-0001Th-2l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:30:56 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FBAgT-0002nQ-DB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:02:50 +0000 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1FB9A3-0006dc-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:24:59 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1FB9A1-00063R-Bx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:24:57 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:24:56 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c63610$47553160$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <43F8C705.5050606@w1tag.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: RE: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060304040101000600090303" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060304040101000600090303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear John, LF Group, The attachment shows about 6 hours worth of sigs from WD2XES between about 0230utc and 0830, using SpecLab set for about 0.005Hz FFT bins. This is much wider than the sidebands produced by the modulation, of course, so the phase transitions show up as "blips" every 15min. The signal is displayed about 0.04Hz below the nominal frequency - each division is 0.2Hz - but I did not get round to calibrating the RX or sound card. 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Message-ID: <000401c635f9$9b00fd60$0600a8c0@router> From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1FAp4w-26sjFw0@fwd31.sul.t-online.de> Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:42:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: LF: Re: SAQ in eastern Bavaria Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hallo Ha-Jo, sehe gerade im Reflektor Dein Bericht zu SAQ. Miniwhip hat versagt. Vermutlich J310 defekt.( Statik ?) Konverter mit NE612 funktionierte einwandfrei Aber das ist nicht der Grund warum ich Dich anschreibe. Stichwort Pottenstein, Skript von 2001 , Langwelle Seite 42-59 Das kann ich nicht herunterladen, kommt nur ein leerer Rahmen. Könnte ich mir das Skript herunterladen ? Mit freundlichen Grüßen Uwe, DK1KQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:58:56 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FB5we-0006mq-56 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:58:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FB5wd-0006mD-SE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:58:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FB5vu-00012H-4T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:58:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FB5vo-000128-Og for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 07:58:04 +0000 Received: from smtp3-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.29]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FB6ml-0002q0-TQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:52:50 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp3-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 90AEC44486 for ; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:58:01 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002e01c635f3$5de79160$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 08:57:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: TA ( NA , XGJ ) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060702050706010700090804" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060702050706010700090804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi all on the list !
Very good propagation this night on the Atlantique
still much of statics ! copy VO1NA between
21:30 and 07:00 still visible in this moment!
( the day is raised since more than one hour )
See attachment
between 23:00 and 04:00 copy of  WD2XGJ (strong QSB)
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht
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(helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAxca-0000Da-5L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:05:40 +0000 Received: from outbound05.telus.net ([199.185.220.224] helo=priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAz35-0004nr-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:37:22 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060219230517.OMRI17402.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:05:17 -0700 Message-ID: <001d01c635a9$3288a940$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5b.7a6959ba.312a4f5f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:07:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Markus
 
I have similar images of various blue/violet arcs in the sky. However the best story is this... When I was commissioning this antenna for the first time I created a large orange fire ball in the sky.  The story starts innocent enough with me in the shack sending dits... I noticed that my HF rig was going nuts with noise and an odd orange glow appeared in phase with my keying on the neighbours wall outside my shack window...
 
So being the smart guy I am I locked the key down and walked outside and to my horror there was a large ball of flame in the sky above my garage.  At this point a light bulb went on in my head and I made the connection between orange glow, noise and keying...
 
Needless to say I RAN back to the shack and unkeyed the TX.
 
The problem was two // pieces of wire with insulation still on... The insulation vapourized resulting in the orange fire ball.  The neighbour commented later that if I planned on doing that again would I do it in the daytime so it didn't dazzle him.
 
I'm sure as I push the 2KW mark I'll top that on ;-)
 
I'll find a spot near John and give it a go.  Maybe ten minute on 5 off then switch phase...
 
73 Scott 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 2:46 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Slow BPSK Test

Hi Scott,

corona - boy there's a few stories I can tell. With my ever-too-small antenna made from a pair of 0.5 mm enameled copper wires, I have to run 15 kV rms to radiate 200 mW, and it always glows at one point or another:
http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/antenna_ursa_major.jpg

I have set up the decimated audio around John's 137577.31, so if you can get on, I guess it would be best if you joined in within +- 0.4 Hz from his QRG. I am now working on injecting a 1pps GPS reference to the second antenna input. This will (in theory) allow phase measurements if you transmitted spot on 137577.000 tonight, but bearing the risk of local QRM.

73 and good luck

Markus

In einer eMail vom 19.02.2006 23:02:36 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt sthed475@telus.net:

I'm headed out to repair the last remaining discharge point and will advise if I'll be running tonight. I could run in the wateringhole on 137778 as Steve is away from his station tonight.


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:47:50 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAxLK-0007TF-36 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:47:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAxLD-0007SK-3h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:47:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAxKs-00006K-NU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:47:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAxKs-00006B-Ay for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:47:22 +0000 Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.208]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAylN-0004ft-Et for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 20 Feb 2006 00:19:04 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.5b.7a6959ba (4328) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:46:55 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <5b.7a6959ba.312a4f5f@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:46:55 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Scott,

corona - boy there's a few stories I can tell. With my ever-too-small antenna made from a pair of 0.5 mm enameled copper wires, I have to run 15 kV rms to radiate 200 mW, and it always glows at one point or another:
http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/antenna_ursa_major.jpg

I have set up the decimated audio around John's 137577.31, so if you can get on, I guess it would be best if you joined in within +- 0.4 Hz from his QRG. I am now working on injecting a 1pps GPS reference to the second antenna input. This will (in theory) allow phase measurements if you transmitted spot on 137577.000 tonight, but bearing the risk of local QRM.

73 and good luck

Markus

In einer eMail vom 19.02.2006 23:02:36 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt sthed475@telus.net:

I'm headed out to repair the last remaining discharge point and will advise if I'll be running tonight. I could run in the wateringhole on 137778 as Steve is away from his station tonight.


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:02:18 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAwdF-0001Jc-Ch for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:02:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAwdF-0001JV-74 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:02:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAwce-0008Oj-UI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:01:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAwce-0008Oa-Br for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:01:40 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.55] helo=priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAy38-0004DV-Aj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 23:33:21 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060219220117.CQHJ6501.priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:01:17 -0700 Message-ID: <003501c635a0$416ade00$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <265.6047017.312a34bf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:02:23 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Markus
 
The test ended shortly after 0200UTC due to concerns of coronal discharge and antenna match xfmr saturation.
 
I did some work on the antenna in the dark and elminated on source of discharge however found another at the other end that needs daylight to affect repairs.
 
Another problem is I caused alot of QRM for Steve, VE7SL who was trying to listen in the waterhole so I decided to shutdown.
 
I did spark up (pune intended) later for a couple of hours (~0800-1030UTC) in DFCW long after your sunrise to test some of my repairs and sweep the antenna for discharge points.
 
I'm headed out to repair the last remaining discharge point and will advise if I'll be running tonight. I could run in the wateringhole on 137778 as Steve is away from his station tonight.
 
73 Scott
 
 
73 Scott
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 12:53 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Slow BPSK Test

Hi John, Scott and LF Group,

the gear is set up for receiving 137577.3 +-0.5 Hz tonight, recording 11025/10368 IQ-samples per second. I have connected a "proper" OCXO so stability should be better than last time, but still not GPS-locked. Surely I'd be pleased to find more than one signal - at 1.1 mHz per channel, there's plenty of space in a Hertz for anyone who wants to join in ;-)

Re Argo speed - I viewed XES on Friday morning using Argo 120 slow, which produced a couple of blips around 4 am.

I looked through the data from Scott's channel 137778 but nothing found - how long did VE7TIL stay on last night?

73, and best of luck
Markus



In einer eMail vom 19.02.2006 20:28:35 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt w1tag@w1tag.com:

WD2XES will try a run of slow BPSK on the following very odd frequency
tonight:

137,577.309506014 Hz.

This frequency appears to be clear of Loran lines for 1 Hz either side
over a fairly large area, and is actually one of the rounder frequencies
available from a 32 bit DDS clocked at 5 MHz. I will again use the 15
minute 0/180 degree keying, which would produce sidebands 0.55 mHz
either side of the above frequency. There will be a CW ID at each 15
minute point.

Start time will be 2230 UTC. Reports are welcome.


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:08:01 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAvmi-0005sA-Si for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:08:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAvmi-0005rs-Kf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:08:00 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAvmc-0008DZ-LE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:07:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAvmc-0008DQ-8w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:07:54 +0000 Received: from mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.220]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAwdM-0006w0-Sf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 22:02:25 +0000 Received: from mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.134]) by mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1JL7k74020304 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:07:46 -0500 Received: from 68-118-232-97.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([68.118.232.97]) by mxip04a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 19 Feb 2006 16:07:46 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,128,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="1318952170:sNHT27298516" Message-ID: <43F8DE84.6030100@w1tag.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:09:24 +0000 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <97.70f68f21.312a3671@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <97.70f68f21.312a3671@aol.com> X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by mxsf20.cluster1.charter.net id k1JL7k74020304 Subject: Re: LF: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Markus - Yes, your report was from Saturday. Tnx. John A. MarkusVester@aol.com wrote: > hmm sorry John, that was Saturday, right? Markus > > In einer eMail vom 19.02.2006 21:53:55 Westeuropäische Normalzeit > schreibt MarkusVester@aol.com: > >> I viewed XES on Friday morning using Argo 120 slow > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:04:55 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAvji-0006rj-Qr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:04:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAvji-0006rY-Mx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:04:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAvjI-00087y-Ot for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:04:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAvjI-00087p-Cp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:04:28 +0000 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAwa2-0006uK-US for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:59:00 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.97.70f68f21 (4328) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:00:33 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <97.70f68f21.312a3671@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:00:33 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit hmm sorry John, that was Saturday, right? Markus

In einer eMail vom 19.02.2006 21:53:55 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt MarkusVester@aol.com:

I viewed XES on Friday morning using Argo 120 slow



 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:53:45 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAvYv-0008VU-DA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:53:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAvYv-0008VN-8f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:53:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAvYj-00080y-HM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:53:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAvYj-00080p-1P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:53:33 +0000 Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.208]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAwPT-0006rY-AA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:48:04 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.265.6047017 (4328) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:53:19 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <265.6047017.312a34bf@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:53:19 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi John, Scott and LF Group,

the gear is set up for receiving 137577.3 +-0.5 Hz tonight, recording 11025/10368 IQ-samples per second. I have connected a "proper" OCXO so stability should be better than last time, but still not GPS-locked. Surely I'd be pleased to find more than one signal - at 1.1 mHz per channel, there's plenty of space in a Hertz for anyone who wants to join in ;-)

Re Argo speed - I viewed XES on Friday morning using Argo 120 slow, which produced a couple of blips around 4 am.

I looked through the data from Scott's channel 137778 but nothing found - how long did VE7TIL stay on last night?

73, and best of luck
Markus



In einer eMail vom 19.02.2006 20:28:35 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt w1tag@w1tag.com:

WD2XES will try a run of slow BPSK on the following very odd frequency
tonight:

137,577.309506014 Hz.

This frequency appears to be clear of Loran lines for 1 Hz either side
over a fairly large area, and is actually one of the rounder frequencies
available from a 32 bit DDS clocked at 5 MHz. I will again use the 15
minute 0/180 degree keying, which would produce sidebands 0.55 mHz
either side of the above frequency. There will be a CW ID at each 15
minute point.

Start time will be 2230 UTC. Reports are welcome.


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:47:23 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAvSl-0006Es-9O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:47:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAvSl-0006DQ-1d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:47:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAvSS-0007tg-L7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:47:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAvSS-0007tX-8K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:47:04 +0000 Received: from mxsf03.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.203]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAwJB-0006pt-FW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:41:35 +0000 Received: from mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.138]) by mxsf03.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1JKksPC025083 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:46:54 -0500 Received: from 68-118-232-97.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([68.118.232.97]) by mxip08a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 19 Feb 2006 15:46:55 -0500 Message-ID: <43F8D9A0.2000801@w1tag.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:48:32 +0000 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43F8C705.5050606@w1tag.com> <006601c63594$6e222040$0b01a8c0@server> In-Reply-To: <006601c63594$6e222040$0b01a8c0@server> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) J.B., It's really not aimed at Argo, but you will certainly be able to see a solid carrier with blips every 15 minutes. The slower you go, the more blips you will get on the screen. John A. J. B. Weazle McCreath wrote: >Hi John, LFers, > >What is the best Argo setup to listen (watch) for your unique signals? > >73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL >Solar and wind powered >EN93dr > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Andrews" >To: ; ; "Peter Martinez" > >Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:29 PM >Subject: LF: Slow BPSK Test > > > > >>WD2XES will try a run of slow BPSK on the following very >>odd frequency tonight: >> >>137,577.309506014 Hz. >> >>John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES >>http://www.w1tag.com >> >> >> > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:37:00 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAvIe-0002J6-Jl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:37:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAvIe-0002IJ-G1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:36:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAvIO-0007lN-Aq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:36:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAvIN-0007lE-Rh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:36:39 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.11]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAw96-0006lo-V4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:31:10 +0000 Received: from server (dial-151.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.151]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (Postfix) with SMTP id 5D86A5DE1 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:36:35 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <006601c63594$6e222040$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43F8C705.5050606@w1tag.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:38:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Re: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi John, LFers, What is the best Argo setup to listen (watch) for your unique signals? 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: ; ; "Peter Martinez" Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 7:29 PM Subject: LF: Slow BPSK Test > WD2XES will try a run of slow BPSK on the following very > odd frequency tonight: > > 137,577.309506014 Hz. > > John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES > http://www.w1tag.com > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:28:26 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAvAP-0000ys-4z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:28:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAvAO-0000yE-W6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:28:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAv9o-0007fk-7A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:27:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAv9n-0007fb-Pp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:27:47 +0000 Received: from post-22.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.192]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAwaG-0003Cg-Pg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:59:27 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:17728 helo=pcroelof) by post-22.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAv9X-000KfD-IA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 20:27:32 +0000 Message-ID: <00b001c63592$e21b38d0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1143634983.20060219152740@web.de> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:27:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: SAQ in Zealand, HOL Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050500000808050702090504" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050500000808050702090504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all, Excellent aural copy of SAQ this morning on a JRC NRD-91 in a 700 Hz bandwidth. 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X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,128,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="1847594393:sNHT17564768" Message-ID: <43F8C705.5050606@w1tag.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:29:09 +0000 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" , "lowfer@lwca.org" , Peter Martinez Subject: LF: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) WD2XES will try a run of slow BPSK on the following very odd frequency tonight: 137,577.309506014 Hz. This frequency appears to be clear of Loran lines for 1 Hz either side over a fairly large area, and is actually one of the rounder frequencies available from a 32 bit DDS clocked at 5 MHz. I will again use the 15 minute 0/180 degree keying, which would produce sidebands 0.55 mHz either side of the above frequency. There will be a CW ID at each 15 minute point. Start time will be 2230 UTC. Reports are welcome. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:58:18 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FArsz-0000Ve-PA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:58:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FArsz-0000VX-L5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:58:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FArsR-00077x-LL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:57:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FArsQ-00077o-H0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:57:38 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([216.148.227.154]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAsj4-0005JN-Gk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 17:52:04 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter79.comcast.net ([204.127.197.179]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060219165652m140036n54e>; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:56:52 +0000 Received: from [12.75.138.113] by rmailcenter79.comcast.net; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:56:49 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Hartmut Wolff Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:56:49 +0000 Message-Id: <021920061656.15074.43F8A351000624D300003AE222007610640B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: TA Feb, 18/19th Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Hartmut,
 
> The QRSS30 signal from Warren, WD2XGJ was visible 22:00-08:30, but not
> so strong as the previous nights.
 
   XGJ was running low power last night (250 watts) compared to 1.2kW previous nights.
 
--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
 
-------------- Original message --------------
From: Hartmut Wolff <wolff.h@t-online.de>

> The QRSS30 signal from Warren, WD2XGJ was visible 22:00-08:30, but not
> so strong as the previous nights. The QRSS60 signal from Joe, VO1NA
> was strong 03:00-07:00. A brief partial copy of "MP" about 01:30.
> Only traces of a QRSS3 signal 00:30-01:00 on 137.701.
>
> NPG was strong 05:00-06:00.
>
> Captures: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm
>
>
> 73
> Hartmut
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:43:57 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAqj6-0002q8-2x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:43:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAqj4-0002oE-GV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:43:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAqic-0006v6-Br for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:43:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAqib-0006ux-MV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:43:25 +0000 Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.195]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FArZF-0004wo-EM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 16:37:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 48201 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2006 15:43:23 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@81.151.99.254 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2006 15:43:23 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:44:29 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <43F8328C.3080105@freenet.de> Subject: LF: SAQ Reception 19 Feb 2006 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020006040905070508090502" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020006040905070508090502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear LF, Good copy of SAQ during both sessions today, despite my high-level of SMPS QRM (50 Hz lines). 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit SAQ was easily detectable on Spectran but was unable to copy the CW. Last year's January test was Q5 CW using the same receive equipment. Attached is the tune-up carrier just prior to the 0900 transmission. 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Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: saq.wav 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Sorry Guys, Typo error in previous e-mail, link should be :- http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor/saq.wav Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:59:06 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned 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X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi all, Just a short wave file showing an excellent copy of SAQ today. http:/myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylot/saq.wav Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:50:38 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAptV-0001iy-Ut for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:50:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAptV-0001iq-RV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:50:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FApsx-0006Rp-Qk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:50:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FApsx-0006Rg-5s for 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Dear Lars ,
Did hear your SAQ transmission of 1300Hrs UTC . Signal strenght 2 S points above noise in 300 Hz bandwidth with QRM.
Rx Drake R7 with active antenna 30 cm,s long, more or less like PA0RDT,s mini whip  ( maybe the active antenna was overloading the Rx and causing the QRM )
Keep up the good work ,
73,William,PA0WFO
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:28:20 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FApXv-0001I8-Nh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:28:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FApXv-0001Ht-Hw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:28:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FApXg-0006KS-1D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:28:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FApXf-0006KJ-ME for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:28:03 +0000 Received: from smtp05.web.de ([217.72.192.209]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAqy1-0000Ds-OT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:59:37 +0000 Received: from [217.84.185.127] (helo=mo76) by smtp05.web.de with esmtp (WEB.DE 4.105 #340) id 1FApXJ-0003AI-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:27:41 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:27:40 +0100 From: Michael Oexner X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.12.00) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1143634983.20060219152740@web.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sender: michael.oexner@web.de Subject: LF: SAQ reception Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010905020209070407020704" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010905020209070407020704 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, Attached please find a screenshot (V DE SAQ SAQ) of today's 1300 UTC SAQ transmission as received in Southwestern Germany JN49BF (near Landau). RX: Präcitronic MV62 into ICOM R75 Antenna: Roelof's mini whip -- vy 73 + gd DX, Michael --------------010905020209070407020704 Content-Type: image/pjpeg; name="saq.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="saq.jpg" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAAEAYABgAAD//gAfTEVBRCBUZWNobm9sb2dpZXMgSW5jLiBWMS4wMQD/ 2wCEABQODxEPDBQREBEXFRQYHjMhHhwcHj4sLyUzSkFOTEhBR0ZRXHVjUVdvWEZHZotnb3l9 g4WDT2KQmo+AmXWBg34BFRcXHhoePCEhPH5UR1R+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+ fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+fn5+fv/EAaIAAAEFAQEBAQEBAAAAAAAAAAABAgMEBQYH CAkKCwEAAwEBAQEBAQEBAQAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoLEAACAQMDAgQDBQUEBAAAAX0BAgMA BBEFEiExQQYTUWEHInEUMoGRoQgjQrHBFVLR8CQzYnKCCQoWFxgZGiUmJygpKjQ1Njc4OTpD REVGR0hJSlNUVVZXWFlaY2RlZmdoaWpzdHV2d3h5eoOEhYaHiImKkpOUlZaXmJmaoqOkpaan qKmqsrO0tba3uLm6wsPExcbHyMnK0tPU1dbX2Nna4eLj5OXm5+jp6vHy8/T19vf4+foRAAIB AgQEAwQHBQQEAAECdwABAgMRBAUhMQYSQVEHYXETIjKBCBRCkaGxwQkjM1LwFWJy0QoWJDTh JfEXGBkaJicoKSo1Njc4OTpDREVGR0hJSlNUVVZXWFlaY2RlZmdoaWpzdHV2d3h5eoKDhIWG h4iJipKTlJWWl5iZmqKjpKWmp6ipqrKztLW2t7i5usLDxMXGx8jJytLT1NXW19jZ2uLj5OXm 5+jp6vLz9PX29/j5+v/AABEIABQBzQMBEQACEQEDEQH/2gAMAwEAAhEDEQA/AIx1LFmQnueS a8k9ebi01a46VizFAM8DJ5yadznw2GjC1WWjEBUxbB+vr68UXLUJKpzS3YpKMoDELz6Ug5Jw qX3YKyBTGvT3OK0i0mcWLoVmuZq47AUbgrAD0yePrRKSOWlgJyfYZJIW6leDwBz+tRc9elhI LV6vzGOQ4+7hvrQbU6bpvyJCyqFOwbuMj0oMuSpOWr9BgIUbgFJPT2/Cg25ZN8pMSpCl+dwH tWikkj5+ph5e0dkMkEeNwPOB3qHqepg41r2ewCRdq4HzAccA0X0sFTAupU55saHHlEcZY/lS NXTbr67IRgAQqHJI9KR0e/Ju+wRnDnIB7Hn+tFyq0E4WQMAuCuQPrTMqbfwdBWlZuBkccAGk VSoqnv8AiJkjhgSR056UBN7OOwhXaMkEZHf1oKVRVbpPYkfDRqFPOMkDmmc1CHs5t20Gu37s Doad9BUaKVdyitBFIEWCcHPGOoqTWUZSq6LQQnvjnPX1pm3sm3Zj4myvJwR0Y0XOXE4eKmpJ fIVGCPlmzgdsYoIrU5VKaUF95IzIwIDL3AwKalY82FGbmm4lc9dzZOeOnNLc92MZRjaIsS73 wWI4zxR1Jr1HCF4K5OoIBDcZJA9PrV6HgKNRtyZFIyBT5fHrjvUNnr4VOdnNDxg2+3gdvrTv ocNeNSGI5krg8gRdqMPwpJnXRpOo7yVhg+RTv5XJUjjNI3adbSJIgUfOuRu7f0po48RGpK0J dAWQAEl+vXBp8xhTw1p80U/mQk9QSWHHOelB68OVaxVrC7WzhEP1IpEWp/bkNyQcHO4+/NBs 4QkrLoAwGwWHHbnrQHuVYOMSVsMFU8Y+8PwoOKnF0ZSshj4MYTdkjnHP+elO6Lw8W6nPJCxF NmDncRjjvSbMq9CUsR7SIjIVK5cBupzQdtKtzyatoLGwUEkg7Rgc9afNpY5MThoznGSQqDLs zkKTyAam5pX9yKUVck3g5wxYjuP507nnTw87ppaFc9dzKT69uaLnuOL5OWI5HzKpPAHY0XOW phrUWt2S7wBkHpyMnGP0qrniwp1W3G2nmJI6kjGeOmCKm+p6WFoTp3sORsBSxIHqTT0OStGS qPlWgxipXblfpmnczoUqsJcyQxHOzBfaBx71LsexUhZ8yVx8S5dmG4KP1ppo5sev3SjbUduB +Zz83ZSenFU2jyqdCpLWSI5mV8bck45IrNnvYWFSDfNsMRlVeQD9QKDokpX0A5Y/eJx6mgpx UNbD3bLAFFUgZ+Xj9aBW5o6ahnKIGIA5xxx+lBEm9UDM/lhTtCe3Siwo1oNtLcdbM20qrEew Ap2uYYutOk00PkLNkCU59M0ctjioY5znqiFkKoxKYz0waR6Uaqc1ZjdpUjnn1BoN4Vo1Byxl yRkg+h44pmU6qoq7Wgh+RyuA4HXjFKxpCopw53oThnxhVVPdV/xoSOGdeN7xYyYszAMxb0HG aLG9Ku7WktQfeyKOo6YAxiixH1mHM1IaGcRAHAXuMYyKDq5km7Ee0EdQO2M00KpVlCNkrksb MAdu08Y+bmk0ROoo2c9CPYxGeAO+OlBrGpHa2omw4AHftQac3WQ8K6cruG7sOo+tBhGpTneL 6CLym5mBA6A96AsovljHcV2yVLoFAGRtWgba2g9SWRXYKu0BO+BihHKsVyJ33GOzeWEBJHTG BTZpQqSk3ztDAp+6M7uh7YoNHVStJsfGZACqhMDjOM5pWIniIJ8zGwu68RnvzxTS1NK9RU48 0ix5j7AQ7e3H/wBbNNxPJWOk5baFYqWbAyWJ9KS0PY9oo6sXIViTg45APINDVxXvG3QnaR/L zGoDYHAUelFrHBCvGVVwa0IncuD5jZ9AVpbnZtZDo3kCAL8p45A7fWqa0OeWJXtXCSCdnKhS wwccetTaxeHr88mmhisSjINoB5JPWg10ppJD4SFXLCMDPBYc07HLicSqcrPcezyjADnJ9FGK aictPMeaaTRXKbsENkdyeAPakev7RJbCgHA2M27qaDNqN3zJWEwoAIBOeoNBVm5NPQRjuQZb JHagqlpNqw5iz42qB3G0UgjUppuLYO5ZUB6duMA0BfVpCl3kUKQxX2GaLBCSd1dDMMR82MZ4 y3FNjXurREkTERuqgYI645pCqtpqwsJIlKxvgdTgUHPXqOnTukSF5Np+d/y61VjkdeXOk2iv 15ON3XNSdzk7+QinDbgucc/MM0HQ37t2yyZJP+eme3YYPpVJHj/W6kp+5HREUxkY/McjoO9K x24bFQqRfRkyyMwwrBSOoAGcflRY4ZYuUZ8qsMk3ygjfuXP0p2ZeHx+r50M8wCIjI98cEn3q TudSXOkluEL7P+WYIxkfLk00rkYyfs1dK5N5jkEeZz06Cny2ONYmUXHm0RXVVJIJKsemRzSO 6VaTaa1SEkXYQAeD2NBrRxPOm2hjDDYpG6fu3JHA8uPjk96Zx05NVXYkkjVYemdo4/Og541p fWXHuRuSIU9x0oOynTj7d6Do+DIOuBnmhHFjdJIllULGR7Y/Q1fQ86n/ABY20IYOrDsSBUHu V6cVy2EdiTIpOQOme3NJhRpqIwcHI6ig0cFJ2Y0k5yTk0zfljy8ttC712nJHBpo+ZdGN3Ihn UJgDowyeKTPTwT501LoKVMe3azdRwTxSuVpUl7yRGnMJyByT/I1XQVWbjiIxQjjaBjuOak9K BKIwsBYE7sZzVI4ar5qiT6FcmkdiS1Y+UBZCAOBzQZ0Xe6YgJLAEnBNBVSnGK0QbtrZwGyO4 zQc+IbkuW9idhvVOSAQOAeKGc0JuEmkRM5BwOOetHQ1oQjPdDjI3y89fakZqCvJDZWO/I4OO 1M66FKDVmrj1JEDPnLZxzQYYmnGVRILbl3PTjtQjPHK0EiVvujHGTjj0oZw4dK9iFwI3OwYx /jQepFKo0pEY4HHFB2uCsWioMQJ5IGevtmm9j59+7NW6lYtuG4gZxz70kevSgloSgDy8Y4zT OOaUqzv0CdR8vtxikPDSfMJFyj9tvTH+fYUBXb9tFDoPmOD2xg49aaYYqlFNOw5zhD7GmeNG XJU5UiB2L7ieobAxUnv0W48owkpypwSKR12UlqiWUeWgZTyw5oMqT9o/e6EecKDig6FBJjwS 0GckEccUzz2lHENWHBAFY5OVHHPTjP8AWnYKNaU5NMYWJDA87BkE0dCFL/aHC2gzORnjJFSe jTWhNGAVUf3uv5U+hxVJN1F5DYxiQgZ6D+n+NCJxj5qVmWGymw7mOc8H6Zquh41KmnUsyueB uBIYt1FSe/zfZ6DAcyEH86Cm7xuyyy4kRCSRuxyfaqR4sqklU00GyAgLhiMtjrSOzBpOUtBy ZEO4kk470m2kYSpxlUkrDdxwvb59v4cVotrnDVXs5JRGyxqqMRxgA4rNn0VGTSihI+BwByxH 0po8zM5yhoiWL5iRjHPYn1ps4JzcqabIZR8rMST8xGO1SfQYV8sUkRv0FB1KKuz/2Q== --------------010905020209070407020704-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:15:50 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FApLo-0003Zz-Qd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; 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Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:14:50 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.129 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg129.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID375kBsooY4050X02 Received: from [192.168.0.6] [151.46.133.30] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 178kBsoov0333M29; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:14:48 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.46.133.30 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.6] Message-ID: <43F87D58.6020403@usa.net> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:14:48 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, Post LWCA Lowfer References: <43F845D0.3090607@usa.net> <003101c6354c$7708f460$810b6051@AUG2004> In-Reply-To: <003101c6354c$7708f460$810b6051@AUG2004> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID178kBsooW0333X29 Subject: LF: SAQ at 13:00Z, this time with an NRD-525 Rx Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) For the transmission of 13:00Z I connected the active mini whip to the JRC NRD-525 Rx. The quality of the reception was inferior to that of the morning, but I recorded the audio and post-processed it with Adobe Audition 1.5, which is an excellent tool for audio management. You can listen to a couple of audio excerpts, before and after the filtering, here: http://sundry.i2phd.com/saq2.htm 73 Alberto I2PHD JN45sl88 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:58:42 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAp5F-00082x-N3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:58:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAp5F-00082a-Jj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:58:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAp53-00065c-Q9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:58:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAp53-00065T-Dg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:58:29 +0000 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FApvf-0004Vf-6I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:52:52 +0000 Received: from fwd31.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1FAp51-0006x9-01; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:58:27 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (GnN4bcZArey3OzxCKXEsrlHN+GFUvTRQwpOOV4JgtJFD95csUiQfco@[84.145.216.92]) by fwd31.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1FAp4w-26sjFw0; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:58:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de To: "RSGB LF-Group-Server" X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 5.00.0036 Date: 19 Feb 2006 13:47 GMT Message-ID: <1FAp4w-26sjFw0@fwd31.sul.t-online.de> X-ID: GnN4bcZArey3OzxCKXEsrlHN+GFUvTRQwpOOV4JgtJFD95csUiQfco X-TOI-MSGID: 57ceefec-5be0-496b-885f-5fb2f63879be Subject: LF: SAQ in eastern Bavaria Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear all, both transmissions from SAQ today have been well received here in qth JN68GN with about 15 dB signal to noise ratio when using a vertical single turn wire loop with a circumference of about 15 meters, coupled to the coax via a 1:15 upwards transformer (no match between cable impedance and converter input). The converter to 14 MHz is using an IC SO42E (similar to MC1496 or NE602). My best copy of SAQ so far, because of the new converter and the loop antenna. On the longwire antenne, however, SAQ has been almost unreadable. On next SAQ transmission I would like to compare the loop to a mini-whip active antenna far from the house, the cable screen also grounded far from the house. 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:51:28 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAoyF-0006n1-K3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:51:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAoyF-0006mu-Gm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:51:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAoy2-00060U-8Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:51:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAoy1-00060L-U5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:51:13 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([204.127.192.84]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAqOL-0008Dk-EE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 15:22:47 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060219135045m140039787e>; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:50:46 +0000 Message-ID: <002f01c6355b$7bca7640$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:50:45 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: SAQ in CT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) As Murphy would have it...wind blew antenna almost exactly 90 degrees for the first session and didn't notice it until daylight... This clip from end of the second session...and a bit of run on carrier after the 73's...(it's about 1.7 megs)... http://www.w1vd.com/capture/saqfeb06B1.wav Believe I had better copy on the transmission last fall. Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:44:46 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAork-0000fm-JS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:44:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAork-0000fK-GY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:44:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAorF-0005v2-Cx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:44:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAorE-0005ut-WC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:44:13 +0000 Received: from cas-mta2-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.24] helo=mta-fe.casema.nl) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAphq-000445-HR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:38:35 +0000 Received: from s9z5i6.casema.nl (53556AF3.cable.casema.nl [83.85.106.243]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 257C447F3 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:44:05 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060219142401.03dd9c50@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dickrollema@casema.nl#mail.casema.nl@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:32:31 +0100 To: LF-Group From: Dick Rollema Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0607-2, 16-02-2006), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: LF: SAQ on 19.02.2006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit I had very good reception of the 1300 UTC transmission by SAQ on 19 February 2006. I used a SPM-12 selective voltmeter by Wandel & Goltermann, followed by a 200Hz wide audiofilter, centred on 1000Hz. The receiver was connected to the antenna and loading coil for 136kHz, but with an extra capacitor of 16100pF in parallel with the coil to bring the system more or less into resonance on 17.2kHz. I made a wav. recording of the signal of 1 minute duration. I will be happy to send the recording by email to anyone interested. Size is 646kB. 73, Dick, PA0SE JO22GD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:36:16 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAojX-000543-Jk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:36:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAojX-00053u-ER for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:36:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAoj4-0005pv-Ew for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:35:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAoj3-0005pm-SJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:35:45 +0000 Received: from mxsf07.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.207]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FApZd-00041J-SM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 14:30:08 +0000 Received: from mxip30a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip30a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.189]) by mxsf07.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1JDZaMu021758 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:35:36 -0500 Received: from 68-118-232-97.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([68.118.232.97]) by mxip30a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 19 Feb 2006 08:35:35 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,127,1139202000"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145"; a="780103919:sNHT27374380" Message-ID: <43F87488.2050800@w1tag.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:37:12 +0000 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1c8.3b06abad.3129c057@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1c8.3b06abad.3129c057@aol.com> Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Rx Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070809060609010803030007" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070809060609010803030007 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Had periods of decent copy in both runs. Haven't heard anything but the ID's, though. Am presently listening through a tight BP filter on Spectran, and noticed that there was a decent visual display of the sig:



Correction...did just hear a couple of 73's...long dashes...

John Andrews, W1TAG
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In a message dated 19/02/2006 11:46:26 GMT Standard Time, g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk writes:
Try to get the Mini-Whip outside the building & well away if you can, you should get reduced local noise pickup from house wiring etc. I found that a small change in position can make a big difference.
Hi Gary
 
Many thanks for the advice.
The biggest problem here is that I'm in a row of terraced cottages , small back yard with another house behind, so getting away from electrical noise is difficult.
However, with the miniwhip now outside even though only a few feet higher, signal levels and SNR do seem improved.
SAQ is tuning up again, carrier only but assuming it's nothing else:-), and it's a much cleaner note this time so looking good.
 
regards
 
Nigel
G8PZR
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:05:54 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAnK2-0000kj-VH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:05:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAnK2-0000ka-QR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:05:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAnJj-0005TD-AM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:05:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAnJg-0005T4-SJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:05:28 +0000 Received: from olympus.pncl.co.uk ([195.224.180.233] helo=olive.pncl.co.uk) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAoAE-0003Bb-Um for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:59:49 +0000 Received: from AUG2004 (cpc1-leat1-6-0-cust129.hers.cable.ntl.com [81.96.11.129]) (authenticated bits=0) by olive.pncl.co.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1JC4eYa009177 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:04:41 GMT Message-ID: <003101c6354c$7708f460$810b6051@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43F845D0.3090607@usa.net> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:03:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Pinnacle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Pinnacle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: blanch@pncl.co.uk Subject: LF: Re: Excellent copy of SAQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Alberto, They switch off Alpha whenever they get behind with the electricity bills! True! Walter G3JKV. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: ; "Post LWCA Lowfer" Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2006 10:17 AM Subject: LF: Excellent copy of SAQ > Excellent copy of SAQ this morning. I prepared a page with a couple of > screen captures and an audio excerpt. > Look here : http://sundry.i2phd.com/saq.htm > > I used the PA0RDT mini whip active antenna directly connected to the sound > card line input. > No Alpha stations were present this morning... is this normal? > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:46:14 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAn14-0007kH-1o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:46:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAn13-0007jf-MN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:46:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAn0q-0005HY-SM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:46:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAn0q-0005HP-E9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:46:00 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.37]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAoRA-0007Ja-Py for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 13:17:32 +0000 Received: from 88-106-157-89.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.157.89]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 19 Feb 2006 11:44:35 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HAMLo90ODboIIghIs Received: from 88-106-157-89.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.157.89]:1271 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FAmzS-0005pE-JV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:44:34 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:44:48 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <157.5fc718e6.3129aa84@aol.com> Subject: RE: LF: SAQ Rx Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Nigel,
 
Try to get the Mini-Whip outside the building & well away if you can, you should get reduced local noise pickup from house wiring etc. I found that a small change in position can make a big difference.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of GandalfG8@aol.com
Sent: 19 February 2006 11:04
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Rx

In a message dated 19/02/2006 10:50:46 GMT Standard Time, g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk writes:

I tuned the G3LNP loop to 17.2KHz to receive & compared it with the
Mini-Whip & could barely hear SAQ on the Mini-Whip due to local noise, I was
able to rotate the loop for best results, pleased I went to the trouble of
tuning the loop.
25 miles north of London, with a mini whip mounted inside the apex of a single story cottage's slate roof -- about 5 metres agl, signals were just about readable on an Icom R70 and WR313i.
Local noise was the biggest problem here too.
My LF loops are packed pending relocation so didn't have anything else available to compare it with.
I'm now praying it doesn't rain before the 1300 schedule as about to elevate the whip through a loft window and see if that does any better:-)
 
regards
 
Nigel
G8PZR
 
 
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:40:57 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAmvx-0000cJ-AK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:40:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAmvx-0000bu-0U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:40:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAmvg-0005Ca-BH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:40:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAmvf-0005CR-FG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:40:39 +0000 Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.37]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAnmE-000351-42 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:34:59 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.154.609923d6 (58435); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:36:40 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <154.609923d6.3129b248@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:36:40 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, sm6nm@telia.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: SAQ in Nuernberg Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020900010707000904030804" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020900010707000904030804 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Lars and LF group,

very good reception on 17.2 kHz in Bavaria, using DL4YHF's SpecLab. The the soundcard was connected to a 22nF || 3.9mH parallel circuit, inserted in the ground lead of the LF antenna. SNR was about 40 dB using 5.4 Hz FFT resolution, on/off keying depth ~ 20 dB. Best of all are the famous "SAQ risers", when one can literally hear the machine spinning up - see screenshot from 9:04:



Many thanks to the Grimeton crew for the treat!

Markus,
DF6NM in JN59NK
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[193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAmgv-00054N-Lq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:25:25 +0000 Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAo7C-00078e-Sh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:56:57 +0000 Received: from fwd31.aul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1FAmgc-00011D-04; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:25:06 +0100 Received: from HW1 (E4jeM6ZrgeMwThmBc8e8gIza0Uzh3D3FRIl9JHYArbsifQk4Ol1s8C@[84.133.91.236]) by fwd31.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1FAmgS-1pHbBw0; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:24:56 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:24:54 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <557006210.20060219122454@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: E4jeM6ZrgeMwThmBc8e8gIza0Uzh3D3FRIl9JHYArbsifQk4Ol1s8C X-TOI-MSGID: db0f49ee-d780-4a7f-b68c-285d926a190b Subject: LF: TA Feb, 18/19th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) The QRSS30 signal from Warren, WD2XGJ was visible 22:00-08:30, but not so strong as the previous nights. The QRSS60 signal from Joe, VO1NA was strong 03:00-07:00. A brief partial copy of "MP" about 01:30. Only traces of a QRSS3 signal 00:30-01:00 on 137.701. NPG was strong 05:00-06:00. Captures: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:08:18 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAmQK-0006u5-NT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:08:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAmQK-0006tz-In for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:08:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAmQE-0004wY-UD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:08:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAmQE-0004wP-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:08:10 +0000 Received: from smtp18.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.126]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAnqY-0006x3-KK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:39:41 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1801.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 1D3DD7000092 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:07:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from Mix-Amiens-107-4-155.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (Mix-Amiens-107-4-155.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.70.155]) by mwinf1801.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 652A1700008F for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:07:39 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060219110739414.652A1700008F@mwinf1801.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:06:54 +0100 (CET) From: Jean-Pierre Godet X-X-Sender: godetj@comcon2.org To: "LF (Rsgb LF Group)" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Re: SAQ Rx Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Yes, a lot of good copies here in France (report from F5WK, F1AFJ, F6CWN, F5YG), so easy, really astonishing ! 73 to all ! Jean-Pierre f5yg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:05:16 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAmNP-0001Ox-SW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:05:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAmNP-0001Oo-OK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:05:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAmN9-0004pW-D3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:04:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAmN8-0004pN-Rd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:04:58 +0000 Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.204]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAnDg-0002rS-Qk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:59:17 +0000 Received: from GandalfG8@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.157.5fc718e6 (16781) for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:03:32 -0500 (EST) From: GandalfG8@aol.com Message-ID: <157.5fc718e6.3129aa84@aol.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:03:32 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ Rx Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
In a message dated 19/02/2006 10:50:46 GMT Standard Time, g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk writes:

I tuned the G3LNP loop to 17.2KHz to receive & compared it with the
Mini-Whip & could barely hear SAQ on the Mini-Whip due to local noise, I was
able to rotate the loop for best results, pleased I went to the trouble of
tuning the loop.
25 miles north of London, with a mini whip mounted inside the apex of a single story cottage's slate roof -- about 5 metres agl, signals were just about readable on an Icom R70 and WR313i.
Local noise was the biggest problem here too.
My LF loops are packed pending relocation so didn't have anything else available to compare it with.
I'm now praying it doesn't rain before the 1300 schedule as about to elevate the whip through a loft window and see if that does any better:-)
 
regards
 
Nigel
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 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:50:41 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAm9I-00058B-Sn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:50:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAm9I-000583-Km for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:50:40 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAm96-0004ik-ME for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:50:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAm96-0004ib-2g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:50:28 +0000 Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAmzd-0002ef-Jm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:44:46 +0000 Received: from 88-106-157-89.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.157.89]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 19 Feb 2006 10:49:19 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HALLa90OICCw Received: from 88-106-157-89.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.157.89]:1080 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FAm4Z-000G6w-7u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:45:47 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF \(Rsgb LF Group\)" Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:49:20 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: SAQ Rx Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010505030908060702000002" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010505030908060702000002 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi All, My best copy of SAQ, S meter peaking S3 although sounds more like S6 or 7. 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Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:47:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAm6d-0004bU-8J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:47:55 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAnWs-0006ai-OZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 12:19:26 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.147] (helo=mx4.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FAm6J-0004WH-LG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:47:35 +0100 Received: from www7.emo.freenet-rz.de ([194.97.107.210]) by mx4.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 4.61 #21) id 1FAm6J-0008GJ-Jt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:47:35 +0100 Received: from www-data by www7.emo.freenet-rz.de with local (Exim 4.60 1 (Panther_1)) id 1FAm6J-0004Vs-K5 for ; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:47:35 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: dl4yhf@freenet.de X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 505770703 / 84.134.165.11 User-Agent: freenetMail MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:47:35 +0100 Subject: Re: LF: Excellent copy of SAQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Alberto, > I used the PA0RDT mini whip active antenna directly connected to the sound > card line input. > No Alpha stations were present this morning... is this normal? > Yes it happens occasionally. I only noticed one of the 5 (or 6 ?) ALPHA frequencies active half an hour before SAQ started. On another group, someone explained the ALPHA off-times by the Russian Army not having payed their electricity bill - but more likely, some operators there want to listen to morse transmissions in a sentimental mood ;-) 73, Wolf DL4YHF (via webmail from DK4U, looking for LF-activity) "Jetzt Handykosten senken mit klarmobil - 14 Ct./Min.! Hier klicken" www.klarmobil.de/index.html?pid=73025 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:28:51 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAlo9-0008C3-JF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:28:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAlo9-0008Bs-C8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:28:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAlnz-0004Nz-Ss for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:28:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAlnz-0004Nq-AY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:28:39 +0000 Received: from post-22.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.192]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAmeW-0002Pe-Gl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:22:57 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:17695 helo=pcroelof) by post-22.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAlnw-000EaS-Nb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:28:37 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c6353f$37908df0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43F845D0.3090607@usa.net> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:28:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: T/A VO1NA + SAQ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030007040003050304010501" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030007040003050304010501 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all, Excellent copy of NA this morning. I had also a trace at 137781.65, but this does not make much sense. SAQ also nice copy on my JRC NRD-91. Best regards, Roelof ========================================================= From: Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt Location: Middelburg, Zealand SW Netherlands, 51 30 02 N, 03 36 02 E Receiver: Tuneable pre-amp, SPM-30 with 20 Hz filter home made pitch shifter, 12 & 6 Hz active audio filters SAQ: JRC NRD-91, bandwidth 700 Hz. 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Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:28:18 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAlne-0005dX-6r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:28:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAlne-0005dI-2g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:28:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAlnR-0004Mm-3G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:28:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAlnQ-0004Md-Kc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:28:04 +0000 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAmdv-0002PH-Su for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:22:22 +0000 Received: (qmail 68178 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2006 10:28:01 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?81.131.117.31?) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.117.31 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2006 10:28:00 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.11/264]); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:27:05 +0000 Message-ID: <002c01c6353f$07eca980$1f758351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:27:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: Re: LF: SAQ just tuning up, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear LF Group, Good copy of SAQ here, with noticeably less QRN than the usual summertime broadcasts. A long transmission of about 60mins, 0843 - 0943utc, mostly sending "VVV de SAQ", with a message including "...this transmission is mainly for receiving purposes..." (I always wondered what it was for :-)), and later on "sri had some technical problems..." allthough the signal seemed to be fine here. Another opportunity to use my electromechanical receiver, which still seems to be doing its job fine. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:19:09 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAlei-0006Zp-SI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:19:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAlei-0006Xx-Nh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:19:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAldx-0004FN-RD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:18:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAldx-0004FE-Fg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:18:17 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAn4B-00064Z-8U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:49:47 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (cmsout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.32]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73EB24C8AE; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:17:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg137.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.137] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.27I); Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:17:54 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.137 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg137.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID988kBskR34492X02 Received: from [192.168.0.6] [151.46.133.30] by uadvg137.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 316kBskR10147M37; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:17:52 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.46.133.30 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.6] Message-ID: <43F845D0.3090607@usa.net> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:17:52 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, Post LWCA Lowfer References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID316kBskR20147X37 Subject: LF: Excellent copy of SAQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Excellent copy of SAQ this morning. I prepared a page with a couple of screen captures and an audio excerpt. Look here : http://sundry.i2phd.com/saq.htm I used the PA0RDT mini whip active antenna directly connected to the sound card line input. No Alpha stations were present this morning... is this normal? 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:18:45 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAkiL-0001qb-6K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:18:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAkiL-0001qS-2d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:18:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAki3-00040a-LJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:18:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAki3-00040R-7n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:18:27 +0000 Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.141]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAm8K-0005pQ-9j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:49:56 +0000 Received: (qmail 97580 invoked from network); 19 Feb 2006 09:17:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.132.157.48 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Feb 2006 09:17:10 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:18:14 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <43F8324B.6060806@mail.ru> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: LF: SAQ just tuning up, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) - 30dB above the noise floor here 73 Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dmitri Sent: 19 February 2006 08:55 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: SAQ just tuning up, Here 559 Wolf DL4YHF wrote: > sending VVV > > . > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:00:44 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAkQu-0004As-25 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:00:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAkQt-0004Ak-TD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:00:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAkQh-0003t9-JI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:00:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAkQh-0003t0-24 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:00:31 +0000 Received: from smtpout0165.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.165] helo=n064.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAlHB-0001gV-Dx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:54:47 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.228.44) by n064.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43C54F51004586CA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:58:36 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c63532$ae4da980$2ce4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001601c634a3$20199960$afe8fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:58:10 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: Re: Re: com port Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
From: MIKE REID
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 5:13 PM
Subject: LF: Re: com port

Hello Mal,
 
 
That is the cable connector layout.
 
73's,
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
 
 
Tnx Mike and to all the others that sent information.
de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:57:01 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAkNG-0005L2-RM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:57:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAkNG-0005KU-O1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:56:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAkN1-0003nI-3p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:56:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAkN0-0003n9-PK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:56:42 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAlnE-0005UL-Hi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 10:28:11 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.192] (helo=mx8.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FAkLi-0007a2-UO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:55:22 +0100 Received: from p5486a50b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.165.11] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx8.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.61 #52) id 1FAkLi-0005Rk-Oq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:55:22 +0100 Message-ID: <43F8328C.3080105@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:55:40 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSGB LF Group Subject: LF: SAQ reports Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Greetings all, SAQ still tuning, frequency slightly difting. For comparing the fieldstrength, here is an RDF-spectrogram which shows the other VLF stations too: http://people.freenet.de/dl4yhf/t/capt0602190849.jpg Seems message is now starting. Armchair copy in northern DL. 73, Wolf . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:54:27 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAkKn-0003NK-N8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:54:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAkKn-0003Mw-EI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:54:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAkKZ-0003iV-Pa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:54:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAkKZ-0003iM-7B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:54:11 +0000 Received: from mx1.mail.ru ([194.67.23.121]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAlB3-0001de-Tb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 09:48:27 +0000 Received: from [62.33.236.45] (port=1031 helo=mail.ru) by mx1.mail.ru with asmtp id 1FAkKW-000LFT-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:54:08 +0300 Message-ID: <43F8324B.6060806@mail.ru> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:54:35 +0300 From: Dmitri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43F82FF1.6090101@freenet.de> Subject: Re: LF: SAQ just tuning up, Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Here 559 Wolf DL4YHF wrote: > sending VVV > > . > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 08:44:52 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAkBX-0001ks-U4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; 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Hi all on the list !
The last night was not very good! still much of noise and statics!
 I copied VO1NA between 04:00 and 06:30, also a trace from
137779.9 not readable between 23:30 and 03:30
  
   73 qro Jean-Pierre  f1afj   jn06ht
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:07:37 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAhjL-0007BF-QX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:07:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAhjL-0007AF-L7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:07:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAhj9-0003AQ-0k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:07:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAhj8-0003AH-Ij for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:07:22 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240] helo=priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAj9N-0004pj-8L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 07:38:48 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060219060700.KIS15573.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:07:00 -0700 Message-ID: <003301c6351a$f1bc2920$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:08:46 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: VE7TIL transmission Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Markus/Hartmut
 
My key down tests show I need to do considerable work on the antenna matching situation as after ~18 minutes the double 3C86 saturates...  Steve is winding up a 'super' xfmr for the VA7LF station that we'll test here soon. 
 
Also, I have a bolt on the antenna that is producing a coronal discharge...  That needs to be rounded off as well...
 
And, I was getting complaints by Steve that I was QRMing the waterhole 50km away...
 
I desided to go QRT before something or someone blew up ;-)
 
Scott
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 5:42 PM
Subject: LF: VE7TIL transmission

Scott,

>> TIL will go into key down mode on 137778.00Hz and will phase shift on the following sked starting at 0100UTC. H, H+15, H+30, H+45<<

ok, all set up for monitoring, including NPG Dixon on the lowest grabber trace. Good luck!

>> As a side note the combined stages are far more stable then a lone stage...  The DC input current varies 1/2 as much as a lone stage with antenna variations in the wind... I expect this to improve even further with the 4 port combiner used for the 2KW version.<<

- a very interesting point. Would that imply it is possible to partly absorb load reflections in the combiners? I had always thought that you'd need a nonreciprocal device like a circulator for that purpose - which might be sort of bulky at LF ;-) The reduced effect on current could possibly be due to a different phase of the reflection coefficient.

73, hope to see you before meltdown ;-)

Markus, DF6NM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:01:05 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAhd2-0004l1-Ia for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:01:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAhd2-0004ku-Ey for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:01:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAhcH-000346-LN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:00:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAhcH-00033x-7u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 06:00:17 +0000 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAj2W-0004mL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 07:31:43 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060219055954.SBQB6524.priv-edtnes27.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:59:54 -0700 Message-ID: <002901c63519$f3d03180$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:01:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: MP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Mitch Seeing scraps of you in Vancouver. Now that's a feat! Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mitch Powell" To: Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:38 PM Subject: Re: LF: MP > > QSL thank you - have done more tuning.... > > 73 > Mitch > > Partial copy of "MP" a few minutes ago. > > > > 73 > > Hartmut > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:38:34 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAgLC-0000nv-7B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:38:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAgLC-0000np-3a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:38:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAgKd-0002rG-Ah for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:37:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAgKc-0002r7-EA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 04:37:58 +0000 Received: from simmts5.bellnexxia.net ([206.47.199.163] helo=simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAhB1-0000uB-Tk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 05:32:09 +0000 Received: from [192.168.123.199] ([65.95.136.40]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060219043749.VKFF22461.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.123.199]> for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:37:49 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:38:56 -0500 From: Mitch Powell To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1696128870.20060219014232@t-online.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: MP Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) QSL thank you - have done more tuning.... 73 Mitch > Partial copy of "MP" a few minutes ago. > > 73 > Hartmut > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:29:01 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAeJp-0000jA-1x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:29:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAeJo-0000j0-Tt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:29:00 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAeJP-00018h-3d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:28:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAeJO-00018Y-K0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:28:34 +0000 Received: from mxsf23.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.223]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAfja-0005e1-3Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:59:57 +0000 Received: from mxip33a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip33a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.248]) by mxsf23.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1J2SCFm013132 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 21:28:12 -0500 Received: from 68-118-232-97.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([68.118.232.97]) by mxip33a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 18 Feb 2006 21:28:12 -0500 Message-ID: <43F7D81D.7080808@w1tag.com> Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:29:49 +0000 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: LF: Slow PSK result Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Markus, I apologize for the late response -- we were out this evening. I won't be running tonight, but may be back tomorrow night. Not sure of the frequency yet, but will advise on Sunday. John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:43:46 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAdc1-0002e1-Dn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:43:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAdc1-0002dB-7u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:43:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAdbP-0000yV-Hv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:43:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAdbP-0000yM-5o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:43:07 +0000 Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAf1Z-0005OM-Tq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 03:14:29 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.d1.383c8d08 (3310) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:42:41 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:42:41 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: VE7TIL transmission Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Scott,

>> TIL will go into key down mode on 137778.00Hz and will phase shift on the following sked starting at 0100UTC. H, H+15, H+30, H+45<<

ok, all set up for monitoring, including NPG Dixon on the lowest grabber trace. Good luck!

>> As a side note the combined stages are far more stable then a lone stage...  The DC input current varies 1/2 as much as a lone stage with antenna variations in the wind... I expect this to improve even further with the 4 port combiner used for the 2KW version.<<

- a very interesting point. Would that imply it is possible to partly absorb load reflections in the combiners? I had always thought that you'd need a nonreciprocal device like a circulator for that purpose - which might be sort of bulky at LF ;-) The reduced effect on current could possibly be due to a different phase of the reflection coefficient.

73, hope to see you before meltdown ;-)

Markus, DF6NM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:43:12 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAcfP-0004MX-Ld for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:43:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAcfP-0004MH-Dm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:43:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAcf5-0000jk-C0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:42:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAcf4-0000jb-Ut for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:42:50 +0000 Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAe5E-0004uY-Tk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 02:14:11 +0000 Received: from fwd27.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1FAcep-0007wa-01; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:42:35 +0100 Received: from HW1 (r42Im-ZZ8eJS5BwZpl3aOzcASo-F-ILNI6YJeLDZUoRJ2Nm2+VQqrk@[84.133.117.199]) by fwd27.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1FAcel-08qJWK0; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:42:31 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:42:32 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1696128870.20060219014232@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: r42Im-ZZ8eJS5BwZpl3aOzcASo-F-ILNI6YJeLDZUoRJ2Nm2+VQqrk X-TOI-MSGID: 0e28fc59-78f1-4e76-8d77-1fd17f94dd41 Subject: LF: MP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Partial copy of "MP" a few minutes ago. 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:18:50 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAcHp-0001Hj-BZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:18:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAcHp-0001HQ-6O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:18:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAcHW-0000cO-Kp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:18:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAcHW-0000cF-5b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:18:30 +0000 Received: from outbound01.telus.net ([199.185.220.220] helo=priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAdhc-0004jW-4K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:49:50 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060219001804.RKZK25049.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:18:04 -0700 Message-ID: <00fc01c634ea$32f75760$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1ac.484744fd.3129101c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:19:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Slow PSK result Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hartmut/Markus
 
TIL will go into key down mode on 137778.00Hz and will phase shift on the following sked starting at 0100UTC.
 
H, H+15, H+30, H+45
 
I have concerns on the ability of my antenna matching xfmr to handle the power so I may need to shunt feed the antenna and shutdown to do this later so I can't assure you I'll be on continuously.
 
I'm currently working on the second 1KW deck which should be ready for tests tomorrow... The plan is to determine the point where my coil melts or I get a report from EU.
 
As a side note the combined stages are far more stable then a lone stage...  The DC input current varies 1/2 as much as a lone stage with antenna variations in the wind... I expect this to improve even further with the 4 port combiner used for the 2KW version.
 
Monitor my grabber at http://www3.telus.net/sthed/argo/ for some local feedback as to my current status.
 
73
Scott
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Slow PSK result

Hi Scott,

thank you very much. As I don't currently have a way to lock the receiver and soundcard to GPS, the best I can do is narrow spectrograms, and there are no magic numbers regarding frequency selection. I would probably select a frequency in the TA waterhole (137776 to 781) as it is monitored by several people, including Hartmut whose antennas are some 10 dB better than mine.

73 and best of luck,

Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 19.02.2006 00:15:31 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt sthed475@telus.net:

If you like I can place TIL on this evening starting at local sunset ~0100UTC on a different frequency then John.  I'd like to do some key down tests on the new 1KW amp module so I could kill two birds with one stone.
 
Please advise on a frequency that would work.  I can do anything a AD9850 will allow feed with a 20MHz disp. osc. will allow.


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:05:35 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAc51-0007fM-2q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:05:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAc50-0007ef-VE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:05:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAc4g-0000X3-5m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:05:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAc4f-0000Wu-L3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:05:13 +0000 Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.208]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAdUn-0004eE-Ql for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:36:34 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.1ac.484744fd (57293) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:04:45 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <1ac.484744fd.3129101c@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:04:44 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: Slow PSK result Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Scott,

thank you very much. As I don't currently have a way to lock the receiver and soundcard to GPS, the best I can do is narrow spectrograms, and there are no magic numbers regarding frequency selection. I would probably select a frequency in the TA waterhole (137776 to 781) as it is monitored by several people, including Hartmut whose antennas are some 10 dB better than mine.

73 and best of luck,

Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 19.02.2006 00:15:31 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt sthed475@telus.net:

If you like I can place TIL on this evening starting at local sunset ~0100UTC on a different frequency then John.  I'd like to do some key down tests on the new 1KW amp module so I could kill two birds with one stone.
 
Please advise on a frequency that would work.  I can do anything a AD9850 will allow feed with a 20MHz disp. osc. will allow.


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:57:37 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAbxI-0005ef-UT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:57:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAbxI-0005eT-PD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:57:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAbwj-0000Qm-3I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:57:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAbwi-0000Qd-Oa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:57:00 +0000 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAdMr-0004XU-T4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 01:28:21 +0000 Received: from fwd31.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1FAbwT-0004sD-02; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:56:45 +0100 Received: from HW1 (Ewoiy+ZQ8evBORPp6TzDuu4Rn4dbbxESsi6k+GB8vdOQO9mNmQhyZ0@[84.133.91.4]) by fwd31.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1FAbwM-0sjpc80; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:56:38 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:56:38 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1771828834.20060219005638@t-online.de> To: Scott Tilley In-Reply-To: <009401c634e1$52df7520$0201a8c0@private.network> References: <009401c634e1$52df7520$0201a8c0@private.network> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: Ewoiy+ZQ8evBORPp6TzDuu4Rn4dbbxESsi6k+GB8vdOQO9mNmQhyZ0 X-TOI-MSGID: 11774da1-9832-493a-b156-8f6010bb3ef8 Subject: Re: LF: Slow PSK result Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Scott, I'm interested in a key-down test, too. 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:15:13 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAbIH-0006N0-2I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:15:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAbIG-0006Mt-R4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:15:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAbI0-0000Hd-Eu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:14:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAbI0-0000HU-0K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:14:56 +0000 Received: from outbound05.telus.net ([199.185.220.224] helo=priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAci7-0003tf-Nj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:46:15 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060218231432.PDMP18345.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:14:32 -0700 Message-ID: <009401c634e1$52df7520$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:16:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: Slow PSK result Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060108030808060404060209" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060108030808060404060209 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Markus
 
Very interesting and a neat way to display the information!
 
If you like I can place TIL on this evening starting at local sunset ~0100UTC on a different frequency then John.  I'd like to do some key down tests on the new 1KW amp module so I could kill two birds with one stone.
 
Please advise on a frequency that would work.  I can do anything a AD9850 will allow feed with a 20MHz disp. osc. will allow.
 
73 Scott
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:15 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Slow PSK result

Dear John and LF,

based on an idea by Peter Martinez, I then tried to despread the PSK signal by multiplying with a 15+15 minute (+1, -1) sequence before doing the Fourier Transforms. This works as expected, splitting up the Loran carrier and focusing John's signal to the center frequency:



The recording was done using the E-field channel of my normal colour-DF grabber hardware, ie. SSB receiver and standard soundcard. It might be worthwhile to add in 1 Hz reference lines by coupling GPS 1pps pulses into the RX input. One could then possibly use SpecLab's tracking function to compensate for the LO frequency drift, but I haven't tried this in such a configuration.

John, are you intending to transmit again tonight?

73 de Markus, DF6NM
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dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:08:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAbBP-0000Bj-K8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:08:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAbBP-0000Ba-4k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:08:07 +0000 Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.85]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAc1i-0006sP-8T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:02:11 +0000 Received: from fwd31.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1FAbAP-00048l-00; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:07:05 +0100 Received: from HW1 (GWI0CrZBweQrkfVKoPSQUm46C-utrj01chIYnozIJDWBsKYl6hq8Yh@[84.133.98.238]) by fwd31.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1FAbAD-020I6a0; Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:06:53 +0100 Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2006 00:06:53 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <221677074.20060219000653@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: GWI0CrZBweQrkfVKoPSQUm46C-utrj01chIYnozIJDWBsKYl6hq8Yh X-TOI-MSGID: 70c0845d-0ddd-4a6e-ae1e-5eefce11bbf2 Subject: LF: UNID Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Since about 22:00 UTC I have a trace exactly on a Loran line about 137.7799. Probably Warren, WD2XGJ? 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:20:31 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAaRK-0001M7-S8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:20:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAaRK-0001Lg-L9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:20:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAaQf-0008VB-66 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:19:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAaQd-0008V2-VC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 22:19:48 +0000 Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.5]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAbGv-0006Mk-KS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 23:13:50 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.ac.472ab80 (57293) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:15:52 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:15:52 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: Slow PSK result Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060102080402050303030206" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060102080402050303030206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear John and LF,

based on an idea by Peter Martinez, I then tried to despread the PSK signal by multiplying with a 15+15 minute (+1, -1) sequence before doing the Fourier Transforms. This works as expected, splitting up the Loran carrier and focusing John's signal to the center frequency:



The recording was done using the E-field channel of my normal colour-DF grabber hardware, ie. SSB receiver and standard soundcard. It might be worthwhile to add in 1 Hz reference lines by coupling GPS 1pps pulses into the RX input. One could then possibly use SpecLab's tracking function to compensate for the LO frequency drift, but I haven't tried this in such a configuration.

John, are you intending to transmit again tonight?

73 de Markus, DF6NM
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ESMTP; 18 Feb 2006 15:12:14 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,127,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="795452373:sNHT20194948" Message-ID: <43F77FFF.2070005@w1tag.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:13:51 +0000 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <99.70147bf5.3128d54a@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <99.70147bf5.3128d54a@aol.com> Subject: Re: LF: Slow PSK result Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Markus, That's a great shot -- thanks for your creativity. Was that done through a sound card, or an external A/D? John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:58:05 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAYDV-0002Cq-4z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:58:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAYDU-0002CW-Rg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:58:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAYDB-00088u-0U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:57:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAYD9-00088l-W7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 19:57:44 +0000 Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.7]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAZ3O-0005eo-KX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 20:51:43 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.99.70147bf5 (57293) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:53:46 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <99.70147bf5.3128d54a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:53:46 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: Slow PSK result Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060109000503040105080208" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060109000503040105080208 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi John and LF Group,

here is the result from last night's recording of John's slow PSK transmission:



This ultra-narrow spectrogram has a resolution of 0.329 milliHertz (16 times finer than Argo 120), and the duration is 13.2 hours. The wandering and fading central line is Loran GRI 8000 from Russia, with my receiver drifting up and down by about 3.5 mHz. Between 3:45 and 5:45, the line is accompanied by +- 0.56 mHz sidebands; these are John's PSK transmission with 30 minute modulation period.

73, and thank you for the interesting experiment

Markus, DF6NM
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(v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <768165577.20060218203628@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <021820061259.12521.43F71A300002F645000030E922007614380B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> References: <021820061259.12521.43F71A300002F645000030E922007614380B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: ZYfVc4ZHQeyGB5Kh062Iw8BrkE-BuwVhdXPXxXGP0l1qeFLyr5u90w X-TOI-MSGID: 9eef523e-1824-4182-9031-64c4af5f7340 Subject: Re: LF: TA Feb, 17/18th Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070000020700050708050101" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070000020700050708050101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Warren, > Did you record a .wav file? I was wondering if you heard my cw from > around 05:35-05:40 UTC. yes, I did. The first of the 3 CW periods was the best and a capture is attached. I'm not sure if I use the correct speed for the capture, but a faster speed gave no results. If my speed was correct there is a copy of a "X" in that capture. I thing some more CW IDs in a row will bring better results. 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[71.37.244.7] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001601c634a3$20199960$afe8fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:13:06 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:13:06 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2006 17:13:10.0305 (UTC) FILETIME=[97D72110:01C634AE] Subject: LF: Re: com port Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello Mal,
 
 
That is the cable connector layout.
 
73's,
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
 
----- Original Message -----
From: hamilton mal
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:13 AM
Subject: LF: com port

Hi All
Does anyone have the pin layout for the now common USB computer plug/socket. I do not have any tech info and wonder if it is compatible with the old RS232 to use with the ON7YD keying s/ware.
Others upgrading their computers will have the same problem, there is no RS232 or parallel ports on the newer machines.
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:10:18 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAVb7-0005dS-Mo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:10:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAVb7-0005cc-GU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:10:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAVaQ-0007el-7g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:09:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAVaP-0007ec-Jc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:09:33 +0000 Received: from omc3-s32.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.249.106]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAWQa-0004fH-MJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 18:03:30 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.121]) by omc3-s32.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:09:25 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:09:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.37.244.7 by BAY5-DAV17.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:09:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.37.244.7] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <017001c631b2$83ef0fe0$8ecbe4d8@STEVE> <013701c631c9$c03dc920$0b01a8c0@server> <029401c631ce$aa8206f0$8ecbe4d8@STEVE> <43F34E45.4010608@usa.net> <43F6519A.4020001@usa.net> <43F6D651.4040901@freenet.de> <43F74005.8080404@usa.net> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:09:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:09:23 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Feb 2006 17:09:25.0660 (UTC) FILETIME=[11F105C0:01C634AE] Subject: LF: Re: Preparing for SAQ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Ooo new software..drool drool...
 
Any hints to what it is going to do for us??? Looked nice in that screeen shot. Can't wait to see it!!!
 
Mike
WE0H
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Alberto di Bene
Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 9:40 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Preparing for SAQ

Wolf DL4YHF wrote:
> Hi Alberto,
>
> Thanks for the reminder. SAQ seems to be "tuning around" occasionally,
> slightly off frequency with a bit FM .
>
> Is your screenshot from a new Spectran version, or is is SDRadio ?
>
> 73,
>   Wolf DL4YHF .
>

Hi Wolf,

   neither. It is a new program, I will announce it in a few weeks, after
having completed the User Guide (this time there will be a User Guide...:-)

73  Alberto  I2PHD


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:06:01 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAUau-0006g0-2B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:06:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAUat-0006ft-UL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:06:00 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAUaT-0007TS-ST for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:05:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAUaT-0007TJ-Fb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:05:33 +0000 Received: from gander.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.65]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAVQc-0004UL-D4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:59:28 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by gander.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1IG5Los026306 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:35:21 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id k1IG5KDE005891 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:35:20 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id k1IG5Kxv008453; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:35:20 -0330 (NST) Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:35:19 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <021820061259.12521.43F71A300002F645000030E922007614380B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Message-ID: References: <021820061259.12521.43F71A300002F645000030E922007614380B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: TA Feb, 17/18th Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Warren, Group, You were audible in GN37 last night, Warren. 73 Joe On Sat, 18 Feb 2006, Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ wrote: > Hi Hartmut, > > Did you record a .wav file? I was wondering if you heard my cw from around 05:35-05:40 UTC. > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: Hartmut Wolff > > Very good copy of WD2XNS, last night 04:00-06:45 and peaking about > > 08:00 again. Best until now. > > Copied VO1NA 04:10-05:45 and WD2XGJ 03:20-04:40. Poorer signal of > > WD2XKO in QRSS3 on 137.701 kHz last night. Only partly readable > > 03:00-04:00 and 0510-05:30. > > > > Captures: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm > > > > > > 73 > > Hartmut > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:02:24 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAUXO-0006XU-9H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:02:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAUXN-0006XJ-WA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:02:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAUWo-0007Nl-Mz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:01:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAUWo-0007Nc-6R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:01:46 +0000 Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAVMy-0004Sa-51 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:55:41 +0000 Received: from 88-106-197-252.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.197.252]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 18 Feb 2006 16:01:38 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AesRAILP9kODboEjDoJpLA Received: from 88-106-197-252.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.197.252]:1121 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FAUWf-000FU1-Ph for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:01:37 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:01:36 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001601c634a3$20199960$afe8fc3e@l8p8y6> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: com port Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Mal,
 
I believe you will need a RS232 to USB adapter, readily available at computer outlets.
 
You can use the LPT port with QRS but when I tried it with my laptop it would not do DFCW, may have been my laptop.
 

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of hamilton mal
Sent: 18 February 2006 15:14
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: com port

Hi All
Does anyone have the pin layout for the now common USB computer plug/socket. I do not have any tech info and wonder if it is compatible with the old RS232 to use with the ON7YD keying s/ware.
Others upgrading their computers will have the same problem, there is no RS232 or parallel ports on the newer machines.
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:51:28 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAUMp-0003Ur-JA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:51:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAUMp-0003Uk-FI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:51:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAUMY-0007ID-T1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:51:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAUMY-0007I4-A4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:51:10 +0000 Received: from smtpout0136.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.136] helo=n082.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAVCi-0004Q1-2V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:45:05 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.175) by n082.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43E3F793001AD307 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:50:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c634a3$20199960$afe8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:13:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: com port Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
Does anyone have the pin layout for the now common USB computer plug/socket. I do not have any tech info and wonder if it is compatible with the old RS232 to use with the ON7YD keying s/ware.
Others upgrading their computers will have the same problem, there is no RS232 or parallel ports on the newer machines.
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:42:05 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAUDk-0006w5-Gj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:42:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAUDk-0006vz-DI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:42:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAUD2-0007Bz-1A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:41:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAUD1-0007Bq-Lm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:41:19 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net ([165.212.64.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAVd0-00013V-C5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 17:12:31 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net (cmsout03.mbox.net [165.212.64.33]) by cmsout03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26CB6EC for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:40:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout03.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.27I); Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:40:55 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID030kBRPO41333X03 Received: from [192.168.0.7] [151.46.63.120] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 585kBRPO10344M38; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 15:40:52 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.46.63.120 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.7] Message-ID: <43F74005.8080404@usa.net> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 16:40:53 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <017001c631b2$83ef0fe0$8ecbe4d8@STEVE> <013701c631c9$c03dc920$0b01a8c0@server> <029401c631ce$aa8206f0$8ecbe4d8@STEVE> <43F34E45.4010608@usa.net> <43F6519A.4020001@usa.net> <43F6D651.4040901@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <43F6D651.4040901@freenet.de> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID585kBRPO20344X38 Subject: LF: Re: Preparing for SAQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Wolf DL4YHF wrote: > Hi Alberto, > > Thanks for the reminder. SAQ seems to be "tuning around" occasionally, > slightly off frequency with a bit FM . > > Is your screenshot from a new Spectran version, or is is SDRadio ? > > 73, > Wolf DL4YHF . > Hi Wolf, neither. It is a new program, I will announce it in a few weeks, after having completed the User Guide (this time there will be a User Guide...:-) 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:02:46 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FASfd-0004X0-Nj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:02:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FASfd-0004Wk-GW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:02:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FASf2-0006zG-1u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:02:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FASf1-0006z7-69 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:02:07 +0000 Received: from mxsf41.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.173]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FATV8-0003q0-Ka for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:55:59 +0000 Received: from mxip31a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip31a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.246]) by mxsf41.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1IE1wOS005314 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:01:59 -0500 Received: from 68-118-232-97.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([68.118.232.97]) by mxip31a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 18 Feb 2006 09:01:59 -0500 Message-ID: <43F72936.4040408@w1tag.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:03:34 +0000 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" References: <43F61E9A.9030504@w1tag.com> <337810284.20060218002225@t-online.de> <43F65F0D.5080707@w1tag.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: LF: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Thanks to Hartmut, Steve Dove, and Jean-Pierre for reports thus far. Peter Martinez did copy the signal last night, and is analyzing the data. The BPSK keying is clearly visible in his plots. We will continue with these tests, possibly on another frequency, and I'll post it here. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:09:55 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FARqT-0002Os-Ph for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:09:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FARqT-0002Om-M3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:09:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FARqF-0006pm-Pw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:09:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FARqF-0006pd-Cd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:09:39 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([204.127.192.84]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FATG9-0007u9-Rr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 14:40:49 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter03.comcast.net ([204.127.197.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060218130913m1400398qne>; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:09:13 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter03.comcast.net; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:09:12 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: =?windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:09:12 +0000 Message-Id: <021820061309.25008.43F71C77000885CD000061B022007456720B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: TA X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Jean-Pierre, Thanks for the capture! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jean-Pierre Méré > > Hello all , on the list ! > The last night was difficult because > of the local storms , rain, wind ! > I nevertheless copied XGJ signal > between 04:00 and 04:30 utc > attached a screenshot > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:00:57 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FARhp-0005Xj-Fd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:00:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FARhp-0005Xb-Bq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:00:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FARhF-0006jN-6B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:00:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FARhE-0006jE-Mf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:00:20 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([204.127.192.84]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FASXJ-0002yk-SO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:54:11 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter09.comcast.net ([204.127.197.119]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060218125929m14003c7gqe>; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:59:34 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter09.comcast.net; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:59:28 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Hartmut Wolff Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:59:28 +0000 Message-Id: <021820061259.12521.43F71A300002F645000030E922007614380B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: TA Feb, 17/18th X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Hartmut, Did you record a .wav file? I was wondering if you heard my cw from around 05:35-05:40 UTC. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Hartmut Wolff > Very good copy of WD2XNS, last night 04:00-06:45 and peaking about > 08:00 again. Best until now. > Copied VO1NA 04:10-05:45 and WD2XGJ 03:20-04:40. Poorer signal of > WD2XKO in QRSS3 on 137.701 kHz last night. Only partly readable > 03:00-04:00 and 0510-05:30. > > Captures: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm > > > 73 > Hartmut > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:18:36 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAR2m-0004ya-Pr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:18:36 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAR2m-0004yS-M7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:18:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAR2Q-0006an-Us for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:18:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAR2Q-0006ae-IJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:18:10 +0000 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FARsU-0002ly-W8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:12:00 +0000 Received: from fwd29.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1FAR2O-0003hx-00; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:18:08 +0100 Received: from HW1 (TbxiPGZ6Yeg2i0LlqHIglFWJAOhFHMGdRydpYfQFyVnzkNT2gfAAr5@[84.133.99.28]) by fwd29.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1FAR2E-1EBN560; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:17:58 +0100 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:17:57 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <494915802.20060218131757@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: TbxiPGZ6Yeg2i0LlqHIglFWJAOhFHMGdRydpYfQFyVnzkNT2gfAAr5 X-TOI-MSGID: 326b88df-b920-4ccb-96dc-7877802066e9 Subject: LF: TA Feb, 17/18th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Very good copy of WD2XNS, last night 04:00-06:45 and peaking about 08:00 again. Best until now. Copied VO1NA 04:10-05:45 and WD2XGJ 03:20-04:40. Poorer signal of WD2XKO in QRSS3 on 137.701 kHz last night. Only partly readable 03:00-04:00 and 0510-05:30. Captures: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:46:55 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAQYA-0002pH-Ou for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:46:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAQYA-0002oV-H3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:46:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAQXW-0006TQ-QP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:46:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAQXW-0006TH-FF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:46:14 +0000 Received: from post-22.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.192]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FARxT-00071B-SD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 13:17:22 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:17543 helo=pcroelof) by post-22.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAQXG-000JUp-He for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:45:58 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c63480$dd4e9210$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <017001c631b2$83ef0fe0$8ecbe4d8@STEVE> <013701c631c9$c03dc920$0b01a8c0@server> <029401c631ce$aa8206f0$8ecbe4d8@STEVE> <43F34E45.4010608@usa.net> <43F6519A.4020001@usa.net> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 12:45:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: Preparing for SAQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello Alberto, Thank you for the screenshot. This looks very nice indeed! Beautifull copy of the ALPHA stations on 11.905. 17200 is a clear channel, so you certainly will be able to copy SAQ tomorrow. On an other note, just heard W3LPL on 7 MHz at local noon on my smallest mini-whip. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:26:39 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAPIU-0004Fm-V7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:26:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAPIU-0004FZ-PT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:26:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAPIL-0006GM-FG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:26:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAPIK-0006GB-To for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:26:28 +0000 Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAQiG-0005qn-SK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 11:57:36 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.209.12b1b258 (48576) for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 05:26:02 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <209.12b1b258.31285039@aol.com> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 05:26:01 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: TA Feb 18 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070500060503090406080102" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070500060503090406080102 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Group,

excellent TA signals from XNS (partly readable here for the first time), XGJ and NA - see
http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/TA_Feb06/TA0602180600.gif (291kB).

On 136718.75, John's XES enganged in a struggle with the Russian line, with some interesting results on Argo-120 between 03:00 and 06:00:



73, and have a nice weekend everybody

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88-106-159-123.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.159.123]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 18 Feb 2006 10:23:08 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aa4HACmC9kOICCw Received: from 88-106-159-123.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.159.123]:2381 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1FAPBg-00023p-86 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:19:36 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF \(Rsgb LF Group\)" Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:23:46 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Daytime Test ? 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Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FANBe-0002ir-1o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:11:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FANBd-0002if-T9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:11:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FANBD-0005xP-C5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:10:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FANBD-0005xG-0p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:10:59 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAOb2-0003q9-Ob for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:42:04 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.136] (helo=mx3.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1FAN9v-0000kt-0g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:09:39 +0100 Received: from p5486a247.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.162.71] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx3.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.61 #21) id 1FAN9u-0004KA-Rk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:09:38 +0100 Message-ID: <43F6D651.4040901@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:09:53 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <017001c631b2$83ef0fe0$8ecbe4d8@STEVE> <013701c631c9$c03dc920$0b01a8c0@server> <029401c631ce$aa8206f0$8ecbe4d8@STEVE> <43F34E45.4010608@usa.net> <43F6519A.4020001@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <43F6519A.4020001@usa.net> Subject: Re: LF: Preparing for SAQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Alberto, Thanks for the reminder. SAQ seems to be "tuning around" occasionally, slightly off frequency with a bit FM . Is your screenshot from a new Spectran version, or is is SDRadio ? 73, Wolf DL4YHF . Alberto di Bene schrieb: > Waiting for SAQ, I connected the mini whip recently built directly to > the sound card, and watched the spectrum from 0 to 48kHz. The image is > here : http://sundry.i2phd.com/spectrum48.jpg > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:06:30 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAN6s-00023s-G2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:06:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAN6s-00023k-CA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:06:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAN6O-0005s1-CU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:06:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAN6O-0005rs-1L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:06:00 +0000 Received: from smtp6.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.25]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAOWH-0003lb-Rt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:37:04 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0602.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 2B3E11C00091 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:05:29 +0100 (CET) Received: from Mix-Amiens-107-2-44.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (Mix-Amiens-107-2-44.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.68.44]) by mwinf0602.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 74A3C1C0008D for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:05:28 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060218080528477.74A3C1C0008D@mwinf0602.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:04:44 +0100 (CET) From: Jean-Pierre Godet X-X-Sender: godetj@comcon2.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1eb.4b4a09b3.3127baee@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: TA this morning, and Slow BPSK Test yesteday evening (fwd) Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit The attachment was too big (64K), sorry, and my post rejected... So, John, I send you the screenshot of your BPSK signal directly (good signal from 2230 ==> 0030 UTC). ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:51:50 +0100 (CET) From: Jean-Pierre Godet To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: TA this morning, and Slow BPSK Test yesteday evening NA 0400 ==> 0530 UTC XGJ 0330 ==> 0545 UTC and, may be, somebody or something near 137.781 between 0500 and 0600, only traces, spurious ? Good thing, as I said to another Jean-Pierre (F1AFJ), I thought that something was going wrong with my aerial. and WD2XES/W1TAG : I put here an attachment of the screenshot of the XES test in BPSK yesterday evening. I hope the file is not too big for the reflector. Best 73 to all, thank you for the beacons ! Jean-Pierre F5YG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:44:26 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAMlV-0007Sj-H9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:44:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAMlV-0007SY-A4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:44:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAMl8-0005km-SL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:44:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAMl5-0005kd-Ic for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 07:43:59 +0000 Received: from smtp1-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.27]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAOAw-0003LQ-Sp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 09:15:04 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp1-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id AE9CC61B21 for ; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:43:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <006501c6345f$0959dee0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 08:43:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: TA Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080802000709060805020204" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080802000709060805020204 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
Hello all , on the list !
The last night was difficult because
of the local storms , rain, wind !
I nevertheless copied XGJ signal
between 04:00 and 04:30 utc
attached a screenshot
 
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Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.10/263 - Release Date: 16/02/2006 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:53:49 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAFQ4-00071a-RG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:53:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAFQ4-00071C-LM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:53:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAFPV-0004te-DR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:53:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAFPV-0004tV-27 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:53:13 +0000 Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAGpF-0008Rg-QK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:24:10 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.1eb.4b4a09b3 (18403) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:49:02 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <1eb.4b4a09b3.3127baee@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:49:02 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hartmut,

I believe such magnitude jumps are to be expected, due to the superposition of a phase-reversed signal from John and a constant-phase carrier from the Russian Loran.

Markus

In einer eMail vom 18.02.2006 00:40:42 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt w1tag@w1tag.com:

Hartmut,

No, the power has been steady, as far as I know. We were out for about
an hour after the start-up, though. The AC power was out here when I
came home from work, so I'm hoping that the GPS-sync got re-established
quickly.

John A.

Hartmut Wolff wrote:

>John,
>have you reduced power since 23:15?
>
>Hartmut


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:41:05 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAFDl-0007um-D1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:41:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAFDl-0007ud-9I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:41:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAFDg-0004in-Md for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:41:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAFDg-0004iW-4C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:41:00 +0000 Received: from mxsf33.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.158]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAG3V-00062m-AH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:34:34 +0000 Received: from mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.184]) by mxsf33.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1HNep6H023814 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:40:51 -0500 Received: from 68-118-232-97.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([68.118.232.97]) by mxip27a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 17 Feb 2006 18:40:52 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,124,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="763193995:sNHT17148692" Message-ID: <43F65F58.9000101@w1tag.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:42:16 +0000 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1dc.4e927918.3127b245@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <1dc.4e927918.3127b245@aol.com> Subject: Re: LF: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Markus, Thanks. I had a rough start-up due to an earlier power failure, but hopefully everything is OK. John A. MarkusVester@aol.com wrote: > John and LF Group, > > I have started to record decimated IQ audio in a 2.7 Hz channel around > 136718.75 for offline analysis. Unfortunately my receiver is not > GPS-locked, just a simple temperature controlled crystal. I do see the > Chayka line on slow Argo and will look out for systematic amplitude > variations, but I have little hope to view the phase-switching blips > directly from here. > > Best wishes > Markus From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:40:37 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAFDJ-0007IN-3X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:40:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAFDI-0007I4-Sl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:40:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAFCn-0004h1-Vs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:40:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAFCn-0004gs-KR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:40:05 +0000 Received: from mxsf23.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.223]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAGcZ-0008JK-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 01:11:02 +0000 Received: from mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.140]) by mxsf23.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1HNdQu8027206 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:39:28 -0500 Received: from 68-118-232-97.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([68.118.232.97]) by mxip10a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 17 Feb 2006 18:39:26 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,124,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="1906170:sNHT32231976" Message-ID: <43F65F0D.5080707@w1tag.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:41:01 +0000 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43F61E9A.9030504@w1tag.com> <337810284.20060218002225@t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <337810284.20060218002225@t-online.de> Subject: Re: LF: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hartmut, No, the power has been steady, as far as I know. We were out for about an hour after the start-up, though. The AC power was out here when I came home from work, so I'm hoping that the GPS-sync got re-established quickly. John A. Hartmut Wolff wrote: > John, > have you reduced power since 23:15? > > Hartmut > > > > >>WD2XES will again be running a test on 136.71875 kHz tonight, starting >>at 2230 or 2245. Reports and screen shots from the U.K. and EU would be >>welcome. The frequency was chosen for math reasons with a 32-bit DDS >>clocked at 5 MHz, but there is a Loran line from the Western Russian >>chain dead on that frequency. The XES signal will shift phase by 180 >>degrees (with a CW ID) every 15 minutes, and those blips should be >>visible on Argo or SpecLab. >> >> > > > >>John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES >> >> > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:23:44 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAEwx-0004Dm-BG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:23:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAEwx-0004Da-7p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:23:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAEwo-0004ZE-20 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:23:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAEwn-0004Z5-L5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:23:33 +0000 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.17]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAFmc-0005sQ-Od for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:17:07 +0000 Received: from fwd27.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1FAEvn-0001XC-02; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:22:32 +0100 Received: from HW1 (JTzxlsZCgekY-bMQbg0vIPqCs8mCUPBna7iTehCWfQbEAjrEWmJYcA@[84.133.121.71]) by fwd27.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1FAEvi-1CmCZs0; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:22:26 +0100 Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:22:25 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <337810284.20060218002225@t-online.de> To: John Andrews In-Reply-To: <43F61E9A.9030504@w1tag.com> References: <43F61E9A.9030504@w1tag.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: JTzxlsZCgekY-bMQbg0vIPqCs8mCUPBna7iTehCWfQbEAjrEWmJYcA X-TOI-MSGID: a619f016-ecff-487d-a7ff-84c796475a94 Subject: Re: LF: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) John, have you reduced power since 23:15? Hartmut > WD2XES will again be running a test on 136.71875 kHz tonight, starting > at 2230 or 2245. Reports and screen shots from the U.K. and EU would be > welcome. The frequency was chosen for math reasons with a 32-bit DDS > clocked at 5 MHz, but there is a Loran line from the Western Russian > chain dead on that frequency. The XES signal will shift phase by 180 > degrees (with a CW ID) every 15 minutes, and those blips should be > visible on Argo or SpecLab. > John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:16:36 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAEq3-0002pI-HR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:16:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAEq3-0002pC-Ds for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:16:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAEpl-0004Sg-MS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:16:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAEpl-0004SX-Bm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:16:17 +0000 Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.207]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAGFW-0007wR-JN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:47:13 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.1dc.4e927918 (4568) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:12:05 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <1dc.4e927918.3127b245@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:12:05 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit John and LF Group,

I have started to record decimated IQ audio in a 2.7 Hz channel around 136718.75 for offline analysis. Unfortunately my receiver is not GPS-locked, just a simple temperature controlled crystal. I do see the Chayka line on slow Argo and will look out for systematic amplitude variations, but I have little hope to view the phase-switching blips directly from here.

Best wishes
Markus
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:55:38 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAEVl-0001fw-U3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:55:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAEVl-0001fZ-MQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:55:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAEVU-0004L4-G7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:55:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAEVU-0004Kv-4Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:55:20 +0000 Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.84]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAFvE-0007gy-VY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 18 Feb 2006 00:26:16 +0000 Received: from fwd32.aul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1FAEUG-0006nG-00; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:54:04 +0100 Received: from HW1 (GDMng4ZUreji-w6Cb1vTk-1gJb+mQ5WKma2REsFCLx9QXSckaVGbrk@[84.133.121.71]) by fwd32.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1FAEU3-1BzWvA0; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:53:51 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:53:51 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1065814232.20060217235351@t-online.de> To: John Andrews In-Reply-To: <43F61E9A.9030504@w1tag.com> References: <43F61E9A.9030504@w1tag.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: GDMng4ZUreji-w6Cb1vTk-1gJb+mQ5WKma2REsFCLx9QXSckaVGbrk X-TOI-MSGID: 9683fe45-e39b-4f08-a913-62ce16f546d5 Subject: Re: LF: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070707090604040500030403" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070707090604040500030403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit John, attached a screenshot, frequency not calibrated. Good luck Hartmut > WD2XES will again be running a test on 136.71875 kHz tonight, starting > at 2230 or 2245. Reports and screen shots from the U.K. and EU would be > welcome. The frequency was chosen for math reasons with a 32-bit DDS > clocked at 5 MHz, but there is a Loran line from the Western Russian > chain dead on that frequency. The XES signal will shift phase by 180 > degrees (with a CW ID) every 15 minutes, and those blips should be > visible on Argo or SpecLab. > John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES --------------070707090604040500030403 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="136718-36-05.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="136718-36-05.jpg" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEBLAEsAAD/2wBDABALCwwMDBENDREYEA4QGBwVEREVHCEZGRkZGSEg GRwcHBwZICAlJygnJSAwMDQ0MDBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQED/2wBDAREQEBITEhYSEhYWEhUS FhwWFxcWHCgcHB0cHCgxJSAgICAlMSwvKCgoLyw2NjExNjZAQD9AQEBAQEBAQEBAQED/wAAR CABgAOUDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAGwAAAgMBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAECAwYEBQf/xABPEAABAgQD AwUKCgcFCQEAAAABAgMABBESEyExBQZBFCIyUWEHFRZCVHGBlNPUI1JTVZGSk6GjwRczYqSx 0tU1ZLPR8DRjcnN0g6LC4fH/xAAYAQEBAQEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQIDBP/EACMRAQACAQQB BQEBAAAAAAAAAAABESECEjFBYQNRcYGRMrH/2gAMAwEAAhEDEQA/AMIqgOtRwiVraiKVCePE xHpqz+mHUUIqacI7xX0JGl/wWXnyMI0K6qNeswgU0zFVQuGmfXC4EwkZgK/y+mNzu3sPdaZ2 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Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lowfer@lwca.org, LF Mailing List References: <017001c631b2$83ef0fe0$8ecbe4d8@STEVE> <013701c631c9$c03dc920$0b01a8c0@server> <029401c631ce$aa8206f0$8ecbe4d8@STEVE> <43F34E45.4010608@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <43F34E45.4010608@usa.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID983kBqwrO0419X36 Subject: LF: Preparing for SAQ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Waiting for SAQ, I connected the mini whip recently built directly to the sound card, and watched the spectrum from 0 to 48kHz. The image is here : http://sundry.i2phd.com/spectrum48.jpg 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:35:36 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAECO-00024Y-BY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:35:36 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAECO-00024L-7e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:35:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAEBa-00048G-Mr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:34:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAEBa-000487-36 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:34:46 +0000 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FAF1O-0005Ns-76 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:28:19 +0000 Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1FAEBY-0000Pt-02; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:34:44 +0100 Received: from HW1 (EYyBrUZrYeqKyGQtYvrlLq-djzoLXqu3F-+gsS8JUZKzjienDlVxkI@[84.133.121.71]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1FAEBQ-1SKZ600; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:34:36 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 23:34:34 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <9710599892.20060217233434@t-online.de> To: John Andrews In-Reply-To: <43F61E9A.9030504@w1tag.com> References: <43F61E9A.9030504@w1tag.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: EYyBrUZrYeqKyGQtYvrlLq-djzoLXqu3F-+gsS8JUZKzjienDlVxkI X-TOI-MSGID: f9d7abfa-0265-4365-8af5-de9f00301bb1 Subject: Re: LF: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) It seems you started at 22:30. No problem with the Loran line here, with a faster screen. 73 Hartmut > WD2XES will again be running a test on 136.71875 kHz tonight, starting > at 2230 or 2245. Reports and screen shots from the U.K. and EU would be > welcome. The frequency was chosen for math reasons with a 32-bit DDS > clocked at 5 MHz, but there is a Loran line from the Western Russian > chain dead on that frequency. The XES signal will shift phase by 180 > degrees (with a CW ID) every 15 minutes, and those blips should be > visible on Argo or SpecLab. > John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:29:04 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAD9z-0007yu-KR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:29:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAD9z-0007yg-Eh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:29:03 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAD9L-0003xD-KG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:28:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAD9L-0003x4-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 21:28:23 +0000 Received: from mta1.siol.net ([193.189.160.88]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FADz7-0005B4-NY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:21:54 +0000 Received: from edge2.siol.net ([10.10.10.211]) by mta1.siol.net with ESMTP id <20060217212820.IBPA21004.mta1.siol.net@edge2.siol.net> for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:28:20 +0100 Received: from y4x1l1 ([212.30.69.179]) by edge2.siol.net with SMTP id <20060217212819.HKJA16557.edge2.siol.net@y4x1l1> for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:28:19 +0100 Message-ID: <002901c63409$0453f940$b3451ed4@y4x1l1> From: "Joze Konda" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001c01c633f2$288efec0$92e8fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 22:27:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: LF: Re: US Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello Mal
 
Please for your personally E-mail...?
 
73 de Joze , S52AB
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 17, 2006 7:42 PM
Subject: LF: US

Hi All
No viewing last nite. Having a few days off. I have seen it all now, next move must be a QSO.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:01:50 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAArV-000537-Ka for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:01:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAArV-00052z-G8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:01:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAArE-0003aI-4Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:01:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAArD-0003a9-Pp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:01:31 +0000 Received: from smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.199]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FACGs-00068V-7C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:32:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 23103 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2006 19:01:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.199) with ESMTP; 17 Feb 2006 19:01:07 -0000 Message-ID: <43F61E9A.9030504@w1tag.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:06:02 -0500 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Subject: LF: Slow BPSK Test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) WD2XES will again be running a test on 136.71875 kHz tonight, starting at 2230 or 2245. Reports and screen shots from the U.K. and EU would be welcome. The frequency was chosen for math reasons with a 32-bit DDS clocked at 5 MHz, but there is a Loran line from the Western Russian chain dead on that frequency. The XES signal will shift phase by 180 degrees (with a CW ID) every 15 minutes, and those blips should be visible on Argo or SpecLab. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:45:00 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAAbD-000702-QC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:45:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAAbD-0006zg-M3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:44:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAAaz-0003Sl-8N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:44:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAAay-0003Sc-Nb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:44:44 +0000 Received: from smtpout0157.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.157] helo=n064.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FABQh-0004Vs-Uv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:38:12 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.146) by n064.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43C54F510043B40C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:44:32 +0000 Message-ID: <001c01c633f2$288efec0$92e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:42:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: US Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
No viewing last nite. Having a few days off. I have seen it all now, next move must be a QSO.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:38:45 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAAV8-0003g2-1c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:38:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FAAV7-0003fb-TX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:38:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FAAUD-0003NH-Cp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:37:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FAAUD-0003N8-1r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 18:37:45 +0000 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FABtq-0005q1-QN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:08:36 +0000 Received: from fwd33.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1FAATt-0002RJ-04; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:37:25 +0100 Received: from HW1 (EB0DqcZpZe4rN+TkYWe+kUHwqURXrMeR8IR3FFGBfU1d+4kKOMFzwk@[84.133.102.165]) by fwd33.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1FAATn-11TXxg0; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:37:19 +0100 Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 19:34:21 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <972610996.20060217193421@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: EB0DqcZpZe4rN+TkYWe+kUHwqURXrMeR8IR3FFGBfU1d+4kKOMFzwk X-TOI-MSGID: 256f759e-f20e-4d30-8ac3-2781cf418987 Subject: LF: TA Feb, 16/17th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Copied WD2XKO in QRSS3 on 137.701, VO1NA, WD2XGJ and WD2XNS in the T/A-window. Captures: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:27:27 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FA8S6-0003O8-QX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:27:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FA8S6-0003Lz-L7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:27:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FA8Re-0002yZ-QY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:26:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FA8Re-0002yQ-8W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:26:58 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.192.81]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FA9HJ-0003DH-Cg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:20:23 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter17.comcast.net ([204.127.197.127]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060217162611m1100kjkcre>; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:26:12 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter17.comcast.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:26:09 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:26:09 +0000 Message-Id: <021720061626.9210.43F5F921000B8344000023FA22058891160B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: [LW] XGJ Strange capture X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Alan, I was just testing to see who was awake! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Alan Melia" > Hi Warren. > You cant get away with anything with the "weak signal detectives" on your > trail > :-)) > Cheers de Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > To: ; LF (Rsgb LF Group) ; LW > Wave > Cc: Gary - G4WGT > Sent: 17 February 2006 14:30 > Subject: LF: Re: [LW] XGJ Strange capture > > > > Hello Gary & the list, > > > > I changed some settings on the keyer and also moved frequency at that > time. I need to be careful since even small changes made while on the air > will be recorded and reported on both sides of the Atlantic! > > > > > > -- > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > FN42hi > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "Gary - G4WGT" > > > Hi All at LW & LF, > > > > > > Looked at overnight captures & saw this strange effext on XGJ's > frequency, > > > has anyone else captured or seen it or have an explanation? > > > > > > Capture 17022006_01.jpg is XGJ at 0000z to 0100z 17/02/2006 which looks > > > fine, capture 17022006_02.jpg at 0215z to 0315z looks very strange as if > > > there is another signal moving across the other, there is a slight > downward > > > drift due to my room cooling down overnight but the nearby LORAN line > was as > > > straight as my drift allows anyway, there is nothing on the full capture > to > > > indicate causes at my end. > > > > > > Any answers or comments please. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > > > > > Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:05:58 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FA87J-0001JJ-FA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:05:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FA87J-0001Iy-AO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:05:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FA874-0002qG-6S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:05:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FA873-0002q7-NB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:05:41 +0000 Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.140]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FA8wi-000366-D5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:59:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 5897 invoked from network); 17 Feb 2006 16:05:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.142.191 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Feb 2006 16:05:38 -0000 Message-ID: <003701c633dc$00df6560$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <021720061430.16668.43F5DDF00003BA360000411C22058861720B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:18:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: Re: [LW] XGJ Strange capture Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Warren. You cant get away with anything with the "weak signal detectives" on your trail :-)) Cheers de Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: ; LF (Rsgb LF Group) ; LW Wave Cc: Gary - G4WGT Sent: 17 February 2006 14:30 Subject: LF: Re: [LW] XGJ Strange capture > Hello Gary & the list, > > I changed some settings on the keyer and also moved frequency at that time. I need to be careful since even small changes made while on the air will be recorded and reported on both sides of the Atlantic! > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "Gary - G4WGT" > > Hi All at LW & LF, > > > > Looked at overnight captures & saw this strange effext on XGJ's frequency, > > has anyone else captured or seen it or have an explanation? > > > > Capture 17022006_01.jpg is XGJ at 0000z to 0100z 17/02/2006 which looks > > fine, capture 17022006_02.jpg at 0215z to 0315z looks very strange as if > > there is another signal moving across the other, there is a slight downward > > drift due to my room cooling down overnight but the nearby LORAN line was as > > straight as my drift allows anyway, there is nothing on the full capture to > > indicate causes at my end. > > > > Any answers or comments please. > > > > Regards, > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > > > Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:49:49 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FA7rg-0008M2-L1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:49:48 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FA7rg-0008Lr-Fm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:49:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FA7rP-0002ii-IR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:49:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FA7rP-0002iZ-5h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:49:31 +0000 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FA8h2-0002zm-Ge for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 16:42:55 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.22b.6a7072a (58677) for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:49:17 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <22b.6a7072a.31274a7d@aol.com> Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:49:17 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: TA 17 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello LF Group,

traces "creeping by" on the TA grabber panel last night were

XNS ( 2:45 to 05:21, traces only),
XGJ (23:00 to abt 4:00, frequency changing between 2:30 and 2:47),
NA (1:30 to 07:10).

I have now increased the scroll speed slightly from 4 to 6 FFT's per minute, which might help to make qrss-30 a bit more readable. For anyone wishing to download the screenshots directly, the URL is http://people.freenet.de/df6nm/testdir/testTA.gif .

73 de Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:42:11 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FA7kG-0005G5-Gq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:42:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FA7kG-0005Ei-4A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:42:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FA7jK-0002cu-2E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:41:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FA7jJ-0002cl-Lr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:41:09 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([216.148.227.153]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FA98t-0003ln-9x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 17:11:58 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter15.comcast.net ([204.127.197.125]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060217154037m1300ftq1oe>; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:40:42 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter15.comcast.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:40:36 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "hamilton mal" Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:40:36 +0000 Message-Id: <021720061540.505.43F5EE740000BE59000001F922058861720B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: US X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Mal, I moved because I was on top of a Loran line at 137.696 and because I was using a pre-programmed keyer chip that wasn't set up properly for QRSS3. I should have the new keyer done soon and that will allow me to change messages 'on the fly'. Until then back up at 137.7798, looking for Western U.S. and Canadian captures. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "hamilton mal" > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" > To: ; > Cc: "hamilton mal" > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:13 PM > Subject: Re: LF: US > > > > > > Hi Mal, > > > Late today with the post. I have been shopping in YORK (not NEW YORK) > > > > Hope you stopped at the railway museum, it's my favorite thing in York. > > > > > Only visible signal was WD2XKO on 137.7 khz > > > > WD2XGJ was back up at 137.7797 running mostly QRSS 30, with high power > until 05:00 UTC. > > Well Warren that is why I did not see ur sig on 137.7 . I did not get to the > railway museum today maybe next time. > Scarborough is only about 45 miles east of York so its easy to get there.The > next time you come this way drop in. > I thought everyone was now going to settle on the new freq of 137.7 and go > QRQ, surely not back to the crawl. > Where do I look in future? > > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > > > > -- > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > FN42hi > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "hamilton mal" > > > Hi All > > > Late today with the post. I have been shopping in YORK (not NEW YORK) > and just > > > back in Scarborough. > > > Last night/ early morning not so good with me. > > > Only visible signal was WD2XKO on 137.7 khz this morning at 0707z qrs 3. > I will > > > ck the photos more thoroughly later in case I missed any other acty. > > > The loop was marginally better than the vertical copying XKO this > morning so > > > maybe the propagation was unusual, higher angle of arrival of signal. > > > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:30:54 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FA6dJ-0006pS-TT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:30:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FA6dJ-0006pJ-Ov for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:30:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FA6cw-0002PO-8G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:30:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FA6cv-0002PF-7b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:30:29 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([216.148.227.151]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FA7SU-0002KT-Mc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:23:51 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter15.comcast.net ([204.127.197.125]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060217143011m1100pkqbve>; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:30:11 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter15.comcast.net; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:30:08 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: lowfer@lwca.org, "LF (Rsgb LF Group)" , "LW Wave" Cc: "Gary - G4WGT" Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 14:30:08 +0000 Message-Id: <021720061430.16668.43F5DDF00003BA360000411C22058861720B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: LF: Re: [LW] XGJ Strange capture X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Gary & the list, I changed some settings on the keyer and also moved frequency at that time. I need to be careful since even small changes made while on the air will be recorded and reported on both sides of the Atlantic! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Gary - G4WGT" > Hi All at LW & LF, > > Looked at overnight captures & saw this strange effext on XGJ's frequency, > has anyone else captured or seen it or have an explanation? > > Capture 17022006_01.jpg is XGJ at 0000z to 0100z 17/02/2006 which looks > fine, capture 17022006_02.jpg at 0215z to 0315z looks very strange as if > there is another signal moving across the other, there is a slight downward > drift due to my room cooling down overnight but the nearby LORAN line was as > straight as my drift allows anyway, there is nothing on the full capture to > indicate causes at my end. > > Any answers or comments please. > > Regards, > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:59:20 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FA68m-0005tD-0j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:59:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FA68l-0005sN-Tz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:59:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FA681-0002Gh-Dz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:58:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FA680-0002GY-Sv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 13:58:32 +0000 Received: from gander.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FA7Xc-0002WJ-Rl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 15:29:20 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by gander.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1HDvAos024995 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:27:10 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id k1HDvADE004192 for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:27:10 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id k1HDv967027621; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:27:09 -0330 (NST) Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:27:08 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <004601c63396$4f897fc0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Message-ID: References: <004601c63396$4f897fc0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: TA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Jean Pierre, Thank-you for the signal report. Its good that the sigs got through the QRN. 73 Joe On Fri, 17 Feb 2006, [Windows-1252] Jean-Pierre Méré wrote: > > Hello all , on the list ! > The last night was difficult because > of the storms on the Atlantic coasts! > I nevertheless copied NA signal > Between 01:30 and 04:00 utc > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:21:14 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FA3fk-000521-BR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:21:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FA3fk-00051p-7F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:21:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FA3fS-0001xg-L0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:20:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FA3fS-0001xX-5q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:20:54 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([63.240.77.82]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FA4V0-0000pj-1p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:14:13 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2006021711195801200sakn1e>; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 11:20:07 +0000 Message-ID: <004701c633b4$1afc25a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 06:19:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA 17 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) WD2XNS was in transmit mode last night so no TA report...other than reception of CT1DRP started at 2200Z. High static levels due to storms over midwest US. Thanks to Dave and Alan for the 'XNS' report. Currently running 200 watts transmitter power. Field strength measurements are underway to determine how much more to stoke the fire. Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:53:24 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FA3El-0001cC-Ta for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:53:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FA3El-0001az-PH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:53:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FA3Ds-0001oX-JP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:52:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FA3Ds-0001oO-6f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:52:24 +0000 Received: from smtpout0170.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.170] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FA4dO-0000vD-8B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 12:23:08 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.208.192) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43E3F7800019248D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 10:51:57 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c633b0$2b382bc0$c0d0fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <021620061613.15280.43F4A4BA000C8DC300003BB022073000330B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:00:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: Re: LF: US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" To: ; Cc: "hamilton mal" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 4:13 PM Subject: Re: LF: US > > Hi Mal, > > Late today with the post. I have been shopping in YORK (not NEW YORK) > > Hope you stopped at the railway museum, it's my favorite thing in York. > > > Only visible signal was WD2XKO on 137.7 khz > > WD2XGJ was back up at 137.7797 running mostly QRSS 30, with high power until 05:00 UTC. Well Warren that is why I did not see ur sig on 137.7 . I did not get to the railway museum today maybe next time. Scarborough is only about 45 miles east of York so its easy to get there.The next time you come this way drop in. I thought everyone was now going to settle on the new freq of 137.7 and go QRQ, surely not back to the crawl. Where do I look in future? 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "hamilton mal" > > Hi All > > Late today with the post. I have been shopping in YORK (not NEW YORK) and just > > back in Scarborough. > > Last night/ early morning not so good with me. > > Only visible signal was WD2XKO on 137.7 khz this morning at 0707z qrs 3. I will > > ck the photos more thoroughly later in case I missed any other acty. > > The loop was marginally better than the vertical copying XKO this morning so > > maybe the propagation was unusual, higher angle of arrival of signal. > > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:48:28 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FA0Lr-0002I9-43 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:48:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1FA0Lr-0002Hi-0f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:48:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1FA0Kw-0001R8-Bw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:47:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1FA0Kq-0001Qz-Uk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 07:47:25 +0000 Received: from smtp3-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.29]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1FA1AL-00086L-Bq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:40:39 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp3-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E8BED4442F for ; Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:46:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <004601c63396$4f897fc0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 08:46:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: TA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
Hello all , on the list !
The last night was difficult because
of the storms on the Atlantic coasts!
I nevertheless copied NA signal
Between 01:30 and 04:00 utc
 
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:39:12 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9oy3-0004Gz-Bb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:39:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9oy3-000498-7M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:39:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9oxA-000060-Md for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:38:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9oxA-00005r-8I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:38:12 +0000 Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.19]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9pmP-00024H-5e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:31:11 +0000 Received: from fwd31.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F9ox7-0004c9-02; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:38:09 +0100 Received: from HW1 (EG5XXeZH8ekiVWSMhlhFnxZkZY2DwXrWoMKLsvYmE11XmWptPsG0st@[84.133.92.72]) by fwd31.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F9owz-1P8Ipk0; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:38:01 +0100 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:37:54 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <31293009.20060216203754@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: EG5XXeZH8ekiVWSMhlhFnxZkZY2DwXrWoMKLsvYmE11XmWptPsG0st X-TOI-MSGID: 0709c7e2-2837-40a8-8805-05010441ba8c Subject: LF: TA Feb, 15/16th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) First thought I have a noise problem, when I looked on my captures today. With 2Hz Bandwidth the noise was visible about 137.777 kHz. I need some time to realize that Joe, VO1NA was only transmitting CW and no QRSS. Sometimes the CW "blur" looks good, but never strong enough for a copy. Strong signals from Warren, WD2XGJ. Copied in QRSS3 mode 00:02-00:04 and 01:56-01:58. The QRSS30 at other times was very strong. Dex, WD2XKO in QRSS3 mode was strong here about 01:00-01:45. Only partial copy of the QRSS1 signal. Captures: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm I have some problems with my internet access, today. Hope this mail comes through. 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:15:19 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9lmo-0001Uz-G9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:15:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9lmo-0001Uc-9G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:15:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9llo-00086b-Vy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:14:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9llo-00086S-JX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:14:16 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9nB1-0005E4-Ab for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 17:44:42 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter74.comcast.net ([204.127.197.156]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060216161349m1300fo65je>; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:13:49 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter74.comcast.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:13:47 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "hamilton mal" Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:13:47 +0000 Message-Id: <021620061613.15280.43F4A4BA000C8DC300003BB022073000330B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Mal, > Late today with the post. I have been shopping in YORK (not NEW YORK) Hope you stopped at the railway museum, it's my favorite thing in York. > Only visible signal was WD2XKO on 137.7 khz WD2XGJ was back up at 137.7797 running mostly QRSS 30, with high power until 05:00 UTC. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "hamilton mal" > Hi All > Late today with the post. I have been shopping in YORK (not NEW YORK) and just > back in Scarborough. > Last night/ early morning not so good with me. > Only visible signal was WD2XKO on 137.7 khz this morning at 0707z qrs 3. I will > ck the photos more thoroughly later in case I missed any other acty. > The loop was marginally better than the vertical copying XKO this morning so > maybe the propagation was unusual, higher angle of arrival of signal. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:05:41 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9ldT-0007Td-M1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:05:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9ldT-0007Qr-Ev for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:05:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9lcc-00080c-Kl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:04:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9lcc-00080T-5Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:04:46 +0000 Received: from fh1028.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.38] helo=n064.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9mRj-0008Qm-3q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:57:40 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.131) by n064.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43C54F510041845D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:02:44 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c63312$6e730f20$83e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:02:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: US Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
Late today with the post. I have been shopping in YORK (not NEW YORK) and just back in Scarborough.
Last night/ early morning not so good with me.
Only visible signal was WD2XKO on 137.7 khz this morning at 0707z qrs 3. I will ck the photos more thoroughly later in case I missed any other acty.
The loop was marginally better than the vertical copying XKO this morning so maybe the propagation was unusual, higher angle of arrival of signal.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:02:06 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9kdw-0000kM-Sz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:02:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9kdw-0000k2-N4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:02:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9kdh-0007ka-SZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:01:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9kdh-0007kQ-Er for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:01:49 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([216.148.227.151]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9lSr-00083r-F8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:54:42 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter07.comcast.net (unknown[204.127.197.117](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060216150105m1100poknge>; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:01:05 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter07.comcast.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:01:03 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:01:03 +0000 Message-Id: <021620061501.6422.43F493AF00091B370000191622007340760B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: WD2XGJ Off tonite- Maybe Not! X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the capture of my QRSS 30 signal. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jean-Pierre Méré > Hi Warren , > Good copy your QRSS30 signal ! > See attachment ! > > 73qro Jean-Pierre > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" > To: ; "rsgb lf reflector" > > Cc: "LWCA LF Reflector" > Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:41 AM > Subject: Re: LF: WD2XGJ Off tonite- Maybe Not! > > > > WD2XGJ is making an attempt at QRSS30 on 137.7798 kHz. > > > > Warren (fingers crossed!) > > > > > > -- > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > FN42hi > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) > >> WD2XGJ is experiencing problems with the QRSS keyer (switching to QRSS3 > >> last > >> night must have been too much for it!) > >> > >> Off until either: > >> 1) I fix the keyer > >> 2) I finish building a new one! > >> > >> > >> -- > >> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > >> FN42hi > >> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > >> > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:01:11 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9kd5-00089s-1d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:01:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9kd4-00089O-Nl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:01:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9kcE-0007jI-1P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:00:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9kcC-0007j9-Vj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:00:17 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([216.148.227.151]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9lRJ-00082z-Ps for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:53:10 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter07.comcast.net (unknown[204.127.197.117](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060216150004m1100psbide>; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:00:05 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter07.comcast.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:00:02 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "Hartmut Wolff" Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:00:02 +0000 Message-Id: <021620061500.3826.43F493720007DAAB00000EF222007340760B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: AW: LF: WD2XGJ Off tonite- Maybe Not! X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hartmut, Thanks for the capture. There is a cw i.d. before the QRSS G and also before the J, which makes the QRSS elements elongated. The new keyer should fix this problem. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Hartmut Wolff" > Warren, > > good copy of your QRSS3 test 00:02-00:04 last night on 137.7798. > See attachment. > > 73 > Hartmut > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von > > Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. Februar 2006 01:42 > > An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; rsgb lf reflector > > Cc: LWCA LF Reflector > > Betreff: Re: LF: WD2XGJ Off tonite- Maybe Not! > > > > WD2XGJ is making an attempt at QRSS30 on 137.7798 kHz. > > > > Warren (fingers crossed!) > > > > > > -- > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > FN42hi > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) > > > WD2XGJ is experiencing problems with the QRSS keyer (switching to > > > QRSS3 last night must have been too much for it!) > > > > > > Off until either: > > > 1) I fix the keyer > > > 2) I finish building a new one! > > > > > > > > > -- > > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > > FN42hi > > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:12:07 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9ivT-0000nn-Uj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:12:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9ivT-0000lT-LT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:12:03 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9iuT-0007UZ-Dp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:11:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9iuQ-0007UQ-9x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 13:10:58 +0000 Received: from dx.ru ([80.68.4.13] helo=relay.dx.ru) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9jjS-00070s-Kz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 14:03:49 +0000 Received: (qmail 79618 invoked from network); 16 Feb 2006 16:10:36 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (ed@10.0.1.11) by unix.dx with SMTP; 16 Feb 2006 16:10:36 +0300 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:10:07 +0300 From: Ed Lesnichy X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1389136208.20060216161007@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <669656179.20060203124044@dx.ru> References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru> <486075040.20060202130106@dx.ru> <669656179.20060203124044@dx.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: HF_MF2LF #1 Report Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090003000909050208040808" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090003000909050208040808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear LF enthusiasts, TNX by all for the reports, advice and efforts! I haven't any positive report, but the question abt HF2LF has remained open - I have made some mistakes ;-( I believe, that the negative result is too result ;-) Used eq: TXs - Icom-775 & Kenwood TS-850 - abt 100W output - not optional TXCOs 20m ant - 3el beam & 6el quads 80m ant - bi-square quad @90m http://dx.ru/club/eq.php 160m ant - 1/2 sloper @80m Difficulties under HF_MF2LF #1 : - unsufficient freq's stability TXs at 100W output under QRSS30 (at 5/10W outputs it is not observed) - not exact TX freq's installation (RX calibration on 5, 10, 15MHz BCs in ARGO with Offset correction, but without this +/- parts on TXs. + temperature instability of TXs) - I see basically 3 carriers abt 873KHz: +2.5, +3.2 and -1.8 Hz (has chosen 873.002,5 as loudest in my QTH) Is supposed for HF_MF2LF #2 : - sufficient TXs freq's stability in QRSS30 - correct TXs freq's installation - abt 1KW outputs for my local TXs (TX 5/10W + PA) - more quantity RX stations - to use same RX freq abt 136.319 kHz in any parts - to use for 2-nd order ICM also 1810+1946.319 (1/2 sloper + 1el quad) - QRSS30 "RURURURURUR..." Abt HF_MF2LF #2 date and parts I'll inform beforehand, but I believe Saturday approaches for this purpose (??) Pse infom me abt exact freqs of BC stations on 873 KHz audible in your QTH Any advice and help is welcomed! In an attached map the diagrams of my ants, RXs and broadcasting stations (BC) on freq abt 873kHz are shown (not high resolution) My full report with pics on http://136.73.ru/news/2006/feb/hf2lf.htm but only in russian - sri At the end of the my web report the interesting info abt theory HF2LF from a radiotechical lists Hz and LF_DW (in russian - is very much difficult for translation for me ;-( Especial TNX for Alex RA9MB (may be part of his ideas in engl was in archive of VLF_Group from abt Sep 2002 ? Pse URL if you know 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru http://136.73.ru P.S. 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Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA 16 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Improved signal levels last night. CT1DRP had the band to himself... http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:28:16 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9fQu-0003uG-Am for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:28:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9fQu-0003u5-41 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:28:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9fQ5-0006qf-AK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:27:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9fQ4-0006qW-UI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:27:24 +0000 Received: from natipslore.rzone.de ([81.169.145.179]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9gpC-00016q-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:57:44 +0000 Received: from w2 (p54866326.dip.t-dialin.net [84.134.99.38]) by post.webmailer.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G9Q4bf028462 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:26:04 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200602160926.k1G9Q4bf028462@post.webmailer.de> From: "Hartmut Wolff" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 10:26:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcYykggmKiPIeA4lRwKxqRCPxB0sHAAR8eQw In-Reply-To: <021620060041.4929.43F3CA3D000E8F1E0000134122058891160B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: AW: LF: WD2XGJ Off tonite- Maybe Not! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030001000405060702040804" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030001000405060702040804 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Warren, good copy of your QRSS3 test 00:02-00:04 last night on 137.7798. See attachment. 73 Hartmut > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von > Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 16. 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=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <021620060041.4929.43F3CA3D000E8F1E0000134122058891160B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 09:16:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: LF: WD2XGJ Off tonite- Maybe Not! Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090701060602020209060301" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090701060602020209060301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Warren , Good copy your QRSS30 signal ! See attachment ! 73qro Jean-Pierre ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" To: ; "rsgb lf reflector" Cc: "LWCA LF Reflector" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2006 1:41 AM Subject: Re: LF: WD2XGJ Off tonite- Maybe Not! > WD2XGJ is making an attempt at QRSS30 on 137.7798 kHz. > > Warren (fingers crossed!) > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) >> WD2XGJ is experiencing problems with the QRSS keyer (switching to QRSS3 >> last >> night must have been too much for it!) >> >> Off until either: >> 1) I fix the keyer >> 2) I finish building a new one! >> >> >> -- >> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ >> FN42hi >> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm >> > > > > > --------------090701060602020209060301 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="XGJ.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="XGJ.jpg" 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Feb 2006 06:31:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9cfL-0006N6-Hd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 06:30:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9cfL-0006Mx-6I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 06:30:59 +0000 Received: from mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.144]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9e4P-0007Du-5Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 08:01:16 +0000 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060216063026.QIGA1862.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:30:26 +1300 Received: from web1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([219.89.76.97]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060216063026.DVAW16143.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@web1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 19:30:26 +1300 Received: from mikes ([219.89.76.97]) by web1-rme.xtra.co.nz 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Markus,
 
>Another thought: CT1DRP is currently beaconing around the clock - is somebody in ZL watching, for a slim chance to catch that ultimate antipodal dash?
 
Yes, we have been monitoring most nights but nothing seen yet.
 
Mike ZL4OL
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:21:26 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9ady-000551-F1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:21:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9ady-00054s-AH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:21:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9adC-00065e-4g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:20:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9adB-00065V-KV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:20:37 +0000 Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.204]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9c2H-0005s0-7m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 05:50:52 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.8e.36b16421 (18555) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:20:14 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <8e.36b16421.3125577e@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 23:20:14 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: WD2XGJ Off tonite- Maybe Not! Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Warren,

just read your posting and reset the grabber scales for the TA waterhole along with Dex' 137701. As far as I can see, XGJ produces a good signal at 779.7. Running QRSS3 grabs as well, but nothing there yet. Back to bed for another two hours...

Good luck
Markus


In einer eMail vom 16.02.2006 01:42:04 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt k2ors@comcast.net:

WD2XGJ is making an attempt at QRSS30 on 137.7798 kHz.


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:13:42 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9ZaQ-0004E5-0V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:13:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9ZaP-0004Dq-T8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:13:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9ZZj-0005pO-Un for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:12:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9ZZj-0005pF-Hw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:12:59 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246] helo=smtp-out2.hurontel.on.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9aOe-0001hG-N9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 04:05:37 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out2.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1G3BaeK010254 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:11:36 -0500 Received: from server (dial-241.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.241]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id k1G3CeuW008408 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:12:42 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <022701c632a6$59f00560$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. 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Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <021620060041.4929.43F3CA3D000E8F1E0000134122058891160B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 03:09:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: CT1DRP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello LFers, Brian's DFCW signal is coming thru pretty well this evening, with the last 30 minutes or so prior to 03:00 UTC being the most consistant. 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:42:08 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9XDj-0001FY-NH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:42:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9XDj-00019f-Bf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:42:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9XDN-0005TZ-R4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:41:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9XDN-0005TQ-7X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:41:45 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([216.148.227.154]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9Y2D-0000Ry-GO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:34:20 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter17.comcast.net ([204.127.197.127]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060216004134m1400qns59e>; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:41:34 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter17.comcast.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:41:34 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb lf reflector Cc: LWCA LF Reflector Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:41:34 +0000 Message-Id: <021620060041.4929.43F3CA3D000E8F1E0000134122058891160B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: WD2XGJ Off tonite- Maybe Not! X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit WD2XGJ is making an attempt at QRSS30 on 137.7798 kHz. Warren (fingers crossed!) -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) > WD2XGJ is experiencing problems with the QRSS keyer (switching to QRSS3 last > night must have been too much for it!) > > Off until either: > 1) I fix the keyer > 2) I finish building a new one! > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:23:18 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9WvT-0003Oq-Ri for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:23:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9WvT-0003Oj-Ni for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:23:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9Wui-0005Md-VE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:22:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9Wui-0005MU-Gc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:22:28 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.152]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9XjW-0000JV-6v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 01:15:00 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter79.comcast.net ([204.127.197.179]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060216002138m1200qi36je>; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:21:38 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter79.comcast.net; Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:21:38 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb lf reflector Cc: LWCA LF Reflector Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 00:21:38 +0000 Message-Id: <021620060021.27104.43F3C5910007A96B000069E022007610640B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: LF: WD2XGJ Off tonite X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit WD2XGJ is experiencing problems with the QRSS keyer (switching to QRSS3 last night must have been too much for it!) Off until either: 1) I fix the keyer 2) I finish building a new one! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:36:43 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9UKJ-00084j-EQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:36:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9UKJ-00084Z-9z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:36:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9UK7-0004z6-DK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:36:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9UK6-0004yx-UH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:36:30 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9V8u-0007Ur-VU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:29:02 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.148] (helo=mx5.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1F9UK4-0003iE-KT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:36:28 +0100 Received: from p548690a1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.144.161] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx5.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.61 #21) id 1F9UK4-0002VA-FM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:36:28 +0100 Message-ID: <43F39F04.9040808@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:37:08 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <021520061715.18320.43F361A7000959930000479022007613940B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> <43F369DE.3080405@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <43F369DE.3080405@usa.net> Subject: Re: LF: Re: DSP Question I/Q inputs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Warren, Just returned from a QRL trip to Bavaria so sorry for the delay. Not much to add to what Alberto said.. it's nice to have I/Q output from the frontend of an image-cancelling DC receiver, and to effectively double the bandwidth of the soundcard input (for example, observe a 96 kHz wide spectrum band if the soundcard supports a true sample rate of 96 kSamples per second). But for LF... well .. To decode a PSK(31) signal from such a receiver, you could use SpecLab with I/Q inputs (stereo mode), use the mixer/multiplier block in "I/Q" mode to convert the signal back into a single-channel audio signal (can be done but tricky to set up; please ask if you need further instructions). The PSK decoder (aka "digimode terminal") must be connected to label L5 in the circuit diagram, after combining the downconverted I- and Q channels. Cheers, Wolf . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:27:52 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9UBk-0006eA-3M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:27:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9UBj-0006cO-Th for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:27:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9UBH-0004sC-3w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:27:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9UBG-0004s3-Kr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:27:22 +0000 Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.3] helo=imo-m22.mail.aol.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9VaF-0000TT-Hh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:57:30 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.2c0.51391f2 (16335) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:23:12 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <2c0.51391f2.3124f5c0@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:23:12 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: TA 15 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Jay and TA enthusiasts,

what a night! Torn between RX excitement and playing TX, I didn't really catch all that much sleep ;-) Thanks Jay for the nice report on the HELL transmission - compared to DFCW it's certainly a difficult mode as the energy is spread out more, and average power is lower even with the TX driven well into saturation.

Now the antenna is down in RX only mode due to rain and wind. Guess I will leave the TA grabber panel centered on 137698.5 +-3 Hz for tonight as it gave a good indication of the presence of both Dex' and Warrens signals, well through the times when they were too weak to be decodable here. 137696 looked perfectly clear in hires, as it should with no Loran line present.

Did look out for the Sylt shutdown scheduled at 13:00, but it simply hasn't happened yet.

Another thought: CT1DRP is currently beaconing around the clock - is somebody in ZL watching, for a slim chance to catch that ultimate antipodal dash?

Best wishes, and good luck to all players

Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 15.02.2006 12:33:47 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt JRusgrove@comcast.net:

Quiet condx but lower signal levels and more fading than the previous night. CT1DRP and DF6NM in
HELL mode...probably would have been solid copy the previous night.


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:04:31 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9Tp8-0000ox-43 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:04:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9Tp7-0000oi-VO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:04:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9ToH-0004k5-Qj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:03:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9ToH-0004jw-Ck for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:03:37 +0000 Received: from mta1.siol.net ([193.189.160.88]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9VDF-0000Kb-5K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:33:45 +0000 Received: from edge2.siol.net ([10.10.10.211]) by mta1.siol.net with ESMTP id <20060215210310.JQUX21004.mta1.siol.net@edge2.siol.net> for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:03:10 +0100 Received: from y4x1l1 ([212.30.93.106]) by edge2.siol.net with SMTP id <20060215210308.JXTW16557.edge2.siol.net@y4x1l1> for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:03:08 +0100 Message-ID: <00b401c63273$2c377e60$6b421ed4@y4x1l1> From: "Joze Konda" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1a1.456c7ca6.3123a28d@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 22:01:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: LF: Re: Eu LORAN lines near 137700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear Markus !
 
This is very utility information !!
 
Thanks and regards
 
73 , Joze  S52AB
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:15 PM
Subject: LF: Eu LORAN lines near 137700

Dear Dexter and Group,

there are five relevant LORAN C chains in Europe. Their spectral lines are at multiples of 100000 Hz / 2 / GRI; here is a list of frequencies between 137680 and 137720 Hz. The lines which look prominent in Hartmut's shot are indicated by an asterisk, but the relative amplitudes vary a lot with the location of the receiver and changing skywave propagation.

GRI 6731 (Lessay, Soustons, Rugby, Sylt):
683.8508*, 691.2791, 698.7074*, 706.1357*, 713.5640

GRI 7499 (Sylt, Lessay, Vaerlandet):
685.0247*, 691.6923, 698.3599*, 705.0275*, 711.6951*, 718.3627

GRI 9007 (Ejde, Jan Mayen, Bo, Vaerlandet):
681.8031, 687.3543, 692.9055, 698.4567, 704.0079, 709.5591, 715.1103

GRI 7001 (Bo, Jan Mayen, Berlevag):
680.3314, 687.4732, 694.6150, 701.7568, 708.8986, 716.0404

GRI 8000 (Bryansk, Petrozavodsk, Slonim, Simferopol, Syzran Karachev):
681.25, 687.5, 693.75, 700.00, 706.25, 712.5, 718.75

The Sylt station (and probably the 7499 chain with it) was announced to close down tomorrow, Feb. 15, but the shutdown had been postponed two times already.

73 and best wishes
Markus, DF6NM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:14:41 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9T2r-0005uO-53 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:14:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9T2r-0005tJ-0Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:14:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9T2D-0004Yl-1t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:13:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9T2C-0004Yc-NI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:13:56 +0000 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9UR7-0008Pn-KM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:44:03 +0000 Received: from fwd34.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F9T1t-0005HE-04; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:13:37 +0100 Received: from HW1 (r1JAdrZHQecTFyoPqISbBFYy4sipetGnX+sZXl2Mc+P4VpnHQIIBr9@[84.133.104.70]) by fwd34.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F9T1o-19CqCu0; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:13:32 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 21:13:29 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <195228503.20060215211329@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: r1JAdrZHQecTFyoPqISbBFYy4sipetGnX+sZXl2Mc+P4VpnHQIIBr9 X-TOI-MSGID: 799008e6-61aa-4ea0-a353-10a40a74bb2a Subject: LF: TA Feb, 14/15th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) I have now updated my website http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm with captures taken last night of MP, VO1NA, WD2XGJ and WD2XKO. Great signals, thank you for transmitting. 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:59:16 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9Snx-00063t-QV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:59:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9Snx-00062O-6E for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:59:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9Smy-0004RP-Kh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:58:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9Smx-0004RG-2w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:58:11 +0000 Received: from smtp1-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.27]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9Tbi-00072E-PI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:50:40 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp1-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 9B6566E349 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:58:08 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000b01c6326a$23a29ea0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 20:58:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: CT1DRP [1] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010603030200090400080702" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010603030200090400080702 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
 
Hello all , on the list !
 
Verry verry good copy of the CT1DRP beacon now !
25dB over the noise !!!
 
See attachment.
 
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht
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(PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9R7e-0007Nc-4t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:11:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9R6y-0003uk-Se for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:10:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9R6y-0003ub-GC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:10:44 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.192.81]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9SVq-0007BO-6M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:40:49 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter89.comcast.net ([204.127.197.189]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060215181017m1100prbr3e>; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:10:18 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter89.comcast.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:10:15 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Alberto di Bene , LWCA LF Reflector Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:10:15 +0000 Message-Id: <021520061810.26767.43F36E8700094EBD0000688F22092246270B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: DSP Question I/Q inputs? X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Alberto, Thanks for the reply. Do you think that having I/Q channels available would have any advantage for QRSS or other LF modes? -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Alberto di Bene > Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ wrote: > > Hello the list, > > > > A friend of mine is building a hardware converter for his Racal 6830 > that will mix the 455kHz i.f. down to 8.44 kHz and provide I/Q outputs. This is > so he can pipe the output into Alberto's SDRADIO program and demodulate the > wideband modes (AM/FM/SSB) in DSP. > > > > A question arises would there be any applications at LF? I'm thinking it > might be useful for PSK type signals but not sure on this one. > > > > Alberto, Wolf, any thoughts on this one? > > > > > > -- > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > Warren, > > you can certainly recover the PSK modulated signal using the USB or the LSB > mode of SDRadio. > But then you need a PSK decoder. One possible solution would be to use VAC > (Virtual Audio Cable). > VAC implements virtual sound cards, so, e.g. you can tell SDRadio that the > output sound card > is Virtual Cable Out 1, then you tell to the PSK program of your choice to > accept input from the > Virtual Cable In 1. Using this technique you can reroute the output of a sound > card program to > the input of another sound card program without the need of having two separate > sound cards > in your PC. I have used it and it works. The URL where you can find it is: > http://software.muzychenko.net/eng/vac.html > > It is not free though...a single copy will cost you 30 USD. There is also a demo > version, but its > purpose is just to evaluate if VAC would work on your setup before shelling the > money, as after > just a couple of minutes of working, it adds artificial noise to the rerouted > audio...clever guy! > > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:19:22 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F44mN-0003TT-CX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:19:21 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F44mN-0003TH-6z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:19:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F44ll-0006V9-AU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:18:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F44lk-0006V0-Pd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:18:40 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F45TG-0002KZ-A0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 00:03:40 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter19.comcast.net ([204.127.197.129]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060131231828m1300nl2t0e>; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:18:28 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter19.comcast.net; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:18:27 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb lf reflector Cc: LWCA LF Reflector Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 23:18:27 +0000 Message-Id: <013120062318.10463.43DFF04300098C09000028DF22069984990B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello the list, I disassembled the toroidal transformer in the loop ATU and found the cores to be good. I will attempt to pick up some teflon insulated wire tomorrow and rebuild the transformer, if all goes well will be back on the air tomorrow evening. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) > Hello the list, > > Many thanks for all the reports last night from Hartmut, Jean-Pierre (F5YG), > Juan, Gary, and Roelof (Hope I didn't miss anyone!) > > As many of you have noted the signal dropped off at 03:00 UTC. At 04:00 I > noticed XGJ was very weak on the W3EEE 'grabber'. I went downstairs to the radio > shack to investigate. The antenna current (measured at 50 ohms) was less than > 100 mA ! It should be approximately 5 Amps from the Decca PA. I checked the > Decca on a dummy load and it was ok. I tried the smaller transmitter and noticed > a very high SWR. I went out and looked at the ATU, flashlight in hand. The > secondary of the toroidal step down transformer had arced and burned through the > insulation. I believe that the very high humidity played a part in the breakdown > of the insulation. I will have a look at the transformer today and may be able > to repair it if the toroidal core is not damaged. I am hopeful that the core is > o.k. since impedance measurements showed no change and I was able to run the 250 > watt transmitter into the antenna with a low swr after a period of time (after > the tuner cooled down). > I will of course use better insulated wire for the high voltage! > > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:56:08 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F47E7-0007zz-KG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:56:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F47E7-0007yV-Fw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:56:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F47Cm-0006zV-EQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:54:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F47Cl-0006zM-U0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:54:43 +0000 Received: from omc1-s18.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.248.220]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F48W7-00021u-3W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:19:08 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.173.53]) by omc1-s18.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:54:16 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 17:54:16 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.37.244.7 by BAY5-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 01:54:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.37.244.7] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <013120062318.10463.43DFF04300098C09000028DF22069984990B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:54:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 19:54:14 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2006 01:54:16.0986 (UTC) FILETIME=[68CC87A0:01C626D2] Subject: Re: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
What type of insulation & wire gauge did you have before?
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:18 PM
Subject: Re: LF: XGJ


Hello the list,


      I disassembled the toroidal transformer in the loop ATU and found the cores to be good. I will attempt to pick up some teflon insulated wire tomorrow and rebuild the transformer, if all goes well will be back on the air tomorrow evening.

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ)
> Hello the list,
>
>   Many thanks for all the reports last night from Hartmut, Jean-Pierre (F5YG),
> Juan, Gary, and Roelof (Hope I didn't miss anyone!)
>
>   As many of you have noted the signal dropped off at 03:00 UTC. At 04:00 I
> noticed XGJ was very weak on the W3EEE 'grabber'. I went downstairs to the radio
> shack to investigate. The antenna current (measured at 50 ohms) was less than
> 100 mA ! It should be approximately 5 Amps from the Decca PA. I checked the
> Decca on a dummy load and it was ok. I tried the smaller transmitter and noticed
> a very high SWR. I went out and looked at the ATU, flashlight in hand. The
> secondary of the toroidal step down transformer had arced and burned through the 
> insulation. I believe that the very high humidity played a part in the breakdown
> of the insulation.   I will have a look at the transformer today and may be able
> to repair it if the toroidal core is not damaged.  I am hopeful that the core is
> o.k. since impedance measurements showed no change and I was able to run the 250
> watt transmitter into the antenna with a low swr after a period of time (after
> the tuner cooled down).
> I will of course use better insulated wire for the high voltage!
>
>
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> FN42hi
> http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm
>



From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 02:27:07 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F47i5-0000xR-Eh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 02:27:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F47i5-0000wv-8o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 02:27:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F47hO-00078P-Hk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 02:26:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F47hN-00078G-Mm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 02:26:21 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.192.82]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F48Ow-0003kY-2d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:11:25 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter76.comcast.net ([204.127.197.158]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060201022523m1200k6qs4e>; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 02:25:33 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter76.comcast.net; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 02:25:21 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "MIKE REID" Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 02:25:21 +0000 Message-Id: <020120060225.29276.43E01C11000B4FD10000725C22064244130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Mike, The 50 ohm side was made up of Litz wire from the Decca tank coil. The loop side was #4 stranded wire with pvc insulation. After examining the transformer close up it appears that the transformer arced from primary to secondary. This seems to be correlated with the damp rainy weather yesterday, the transmitter was running full power for 6 and a half hours before the transformer arced over. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "MIKE REID" > What type of insulation & wire gauge did you have before? > > Mike > WE0H > WD2XGI > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Cc: LWCA LF Reflector > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:18 PM > Subject: Re: LF: XGJ > > > > Hello the list, > > > I disassembled the toroidal transformer in the loop ATU and found the > cores to be good. I will attempt to pick up some teflon insulated wire tomorrow > and rebuild the transformer, if all goes well will be back on the air tomorrow > evening. > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) > > Hello the list, > > > > Many thanks for all the reports last night from Hartmut, Jean-Pierre > (F5YG), > > Juan, Gary, and Roelof (Hope I didn't miss anyone!) > > > > As many of you have noted the signal dropped off at 03:00 UTC. At 04:00 I > > noticed XGJ was very weak on the W3EEE 'grabber'. I went downstairs to the > radio > > shack to investigate. The antenna current (measured at 50 ohms) was less > than > > 100 mA ! It should be approximately 5 Amps from the Decca PA. I checked the > > Decca on a dummy load and it was ok. I tried the smaller transmitter and > noticed > > a very high SWR. I went out and looked at the ATU, flashlight in hand. The > > secondary of the toroidal step down transformer had arced and burned through > the > > insulation. I believe that the very high humidity played a part in the > breakdown > > of the insulation. I will have a look at the transformer today and may be > able > > to repair it if the toroidal core is not damaged. I am hopeful that the > core is > > o.k. since impedance measurements showed no change and I was able to run the > 250 > > watt transmitter into the antenna with a low swr after a period of time > (after > > the tuner cooled down). > > I will of course use better insulated wire for the high voltage! > > > > > > > > -- > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > FN42hi > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:12:24 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F48Ps-0003mG-Kz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:12:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F48Ps-0003ju-F2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:12:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F48Om-0007M9-Tz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:11:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F48Om-0007M0-5d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:11:12 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.152]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F496M-0004AF-JK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:56:16 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060201031026m1200kbqame>; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 03:10:26 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c626dd$0c2f6b60$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <020120060225.29276.43E01C11000B4FD10000725C22064244130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:10:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Warren Was the core wrapped with tape? What type? Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" To: ; Cc: "MIKE REID" Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:25 PM Subject: Re: LF: XGJ > Mike, > > The 50 ohm side was made up of Litz wire from the Decca tank coil. The loop side was #4 stranded wire with pvc insulation. > After examining the transformer close up it appears that the transformer arced from primary to secondary. This seems to be correlated with the damp rainy weather yesterday, the transmitter was running full power for 6 and a half hours before the transformer arced over. > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "MIKE REID" > > What type of insulation & wire gauge did you have before? > > > > Mike > > WE0H > > WD2XGI > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > Cc: LWCA LF Reflector > > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:18 PM > > Subject: Re: LF: XGJ > > > > > > > > Hello the list, > > > > > > I disassembled the toroidal transformer in the loop ATU and found the > > cores to be good. I will attempt to pick up some teflon insulated wire tomorrow > > and rebuild the transformer, if all goes well will be back on the air tomorrow > > evening. > > > > -- > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > FN42hi > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) > > > Hello the list, > > > > > > Many thanks for all the reports last night from Hartmut, Jean-Pierre > > (F5YG), > > > Juan, Gary, and Roelof (Hope I didn't miss anyone!) > > > > > > As many of you have noted the signal dropped off at 03:00 UTC. At 04:00 I > > > noticed XGJ was very weak on the W3EEE 'grabber'. I went downstairs to the > > radio > > > shack to investigate. The antenna current (measured at 50 ohms) was less > > than > > > 100 mA ! It should be approximately 5 Amps from the Decca PA. I checked the > > > Decca on a dummy load and it was ok. I tried the smaller transmitter and > > noticed > > > a very high SWR. I went out and looked at the ATU, flashlight in hand. The > > > secondary of the toroidal step down transformer had arced and burned through > > the > > > insulation. I believe that the very high humidity played a part in the > > breakdown > > > of the insulation. I will have a look at the transformer today and may be > > able > > > to repair it if the toroidal core is not damaged. I am hopeful that the > > core is > > > o.k. since impedance measurements showed no change and I was able to run the > > 250 > > > watt transmitter into the antenna with a low swr after a period of time > > (after > > > the tuner cooled down). > > > I will of course use better insulated wire for the high voltage! > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > > FN42hi > > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:00:16 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F49AD-00034q-DG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:00:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F49AD-00034j-8A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:00:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F499V-0007Xd-49 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:59:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F499U-0007XU-Cv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:59:28 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.152]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F49r5-0004Q8-Oz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 04:44:33 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter89.comcast.net ([204.127.197.189]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060201035841m1200kbs6de>; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 03:58:42 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter89.comcast.net; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:58:41 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "Jay Rusgrove" Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 03:58:41 +0000 Message-Id: <020120060358.12389.43E031F10003AEC90000306522092246270B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Jay, The core was wrapped with Scotch #27 fiberglass tape. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Jay Rusgrove" > Warren > > Was the core wrapped with tape? What type? > > Jay > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" > To: ; > Cc: "MIKE REID" > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 9:25 PM > Subject: Re: LF: XGJ > > > > Mike, > > > > The 50 ohm side was made up of Litz wire from the Decca tank coil. The loop > side was #4 stranded > wire with pvc insulation. > > After examining the transformer close up it appears that the transformer > arced from primary to > secondary. This seems to be correlated with the damp rainy weather yesterday, > the transmitter was > running full power for 6 and a half hours before the transformer arced over. > > > > -- > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > FN42hi > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "MIKE REID" > > > What type of insulation & wire gauge did you have before? > > > > > > Mike > > > WE0H > > > WD2XGI > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > Cc: LWCA LF Reflector > > > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:18 PM > > > Subject: Re: LF: XGJ > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello the list, > > > > > > > > > I disassembled the toroidal transformer in the loop ATU and found > the > > > cores to be good. I will attempt to pick up some teflon insulated wire > tomorrow > > > and rebuild the transformer, if all goes well will be back on the air > tomorrow > > > evening. > > > > > > -- > > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > > FN42hi > > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > > From: (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) > > > > Hello the list, > > > > > > > > Many thanks for all the reports last night from Hartmut, Jean-Pierre > > > (F5YG), > > > > Juan, Gary, and Roelof (Hope I didn't miss anyone!) > > > > > > > > As many of you have noted the signal dropped off at 03:00 UTC. At > 04:00 I > > > > noticed XGJ was very weak on the W3EEE 'grabber'. I went downstairs to > the > > > radio > > > > shack to investigate. The antenna current (measured at 50 ohms) was less > > > than > > > > 100 mA ! It should be approximately 5 Amps from the Decca PA. I checked > the > > > > Decca on a dummy load and it was ok. I tried the smaller transmitter and > > > noticed > > > > a very high SWR. I went out and looked at the ATU, flashlight in hand. > The > > > > secondary of the toroidal step down transformer had arced and burned > through > > > the > > > > insulation. I believe that the very high humidity played a part in the > > > breakdown > > > > of the insulation. I will have a look at the transformer today and may > be > > > able > > > > to repair it if the toroidal core is not damaged. I am hopeful that the > > > core is > > > > o.k. since impedance measurements showed no change and I was able to run > the > > > 250 > > > > watt transmitter into the antenna with a low swr after a period of time > > > (after > > > > the tuner cooled down). > > > > I will of course use better insulated wire for the high voltage! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > > > FN42hi > > > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 06:26:47 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4BRy-0007UO-ML for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 06:26:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4BRy-0007Tg-B9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 06:26:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4BR6-000840-A8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 06:25:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4BR5-00083r-Ez for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 06:25:47 +0000 Received: from omc3-s34.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.249.108]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4C8i-000506-Jq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 07:10:56 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.173.54]) by omc3-s34.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:25:35 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 31 Jan 2006 22:25:35 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.37.244.7 by BAY5-DAV24.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 06:25:30 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.37.244.7] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <020120060225.29276.43E01C11000B4FD10000725C22064244130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 00:25:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 00:25:29 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Feb 2006 06:25:35.0471 (UTC) FILETIME=[4F8837F0:01C626F8] Subject: Re: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
So it appears to be a dielectric breakdown in one of the insulations of one or both of the core windings. Has anyone done a dielectric test on the Decca Litz wire? I did some on #12 THHN wire a couple years ago and it arced at 5kv AC at 1kc as well as 5kv DC. No burning but it made some Ozone smell and the frying sound. I'll have to do some hi-pot tests Wednesday on the #12 Teflon insulated wire I have on my transformer.
 
This is good information to know. Hopefully others down the road can use this data to design their LF stations.
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: LF: XGJ

Mike,

  The 50 ohm side was made up of Litz wire from the Decca tank coil. The loop side was #4 stranded wire with pvc insulation. 
  After examining the transformer close up it appears that the transformer arced from primary to secondary. This seems to be correlated with the damp rainy weather yesterday, the transmitter was running full power for 6 and a half hours before the transformer arced over.

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "MIKE REID" <>
> What type of insulation & wire gauge did you have before?
>
> Mike
> WE0H
> WD2XGI
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
>   To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<>
>   Cc: LWCA LF Reflector<mailto:lowfer@lwca.org>
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:18 PM
>   Subject: Re: LF: XGJ
>
>
>
>   Hello the list,
>
>
>         I disassembled the toroidal transformer in the loop ATU and found the
> cores to be good. I will attempt to pick up some teflon insulated wire tomorrow
> and rebuild the transformer, if all goes well will be back on the air tomorrow
> evening.
>
>   --
>   73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
>   FN42hi
>   http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm<http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm>
>
>    -------------- Original message ----------------------
>   From: (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ)
>   > Hello the list,
>   >
>   >   Many thanks for all the reports last night from Hartmut, Jean-Pierre
> (F5YG),
>   > Juan, Gary, and Roelof (Hope I didn't miss anyone!)
>   >
>   >   As many of you have noted the signal dropped off at 03:00 UTC. At 04:00 I
>   > noticed XGJ was very weak on the W3EEE 'grabber'. I went downstairs to the
> radio
>   > shack to investigate. The antenna current (measured at 50 ohms) was less
> than
>   > 100 mA ! It should be approximately 5 Amps from the Decca PA. I checked the
>   > Decca on a dummy load and it was ok. I tried the smaller transmitter and
> noticed
>   > a very high SWR. I went out and looked at the ATU, flashlight in hand. The
>   > secondary of the toroidal step down transformer had arced and burned through
> the 
>   > insulation. I believe that the very high humidity played a part in the
> breakdown
>   > of the insulation.   I will have a look at the transformer today and may be
> able
>   > to repair it if the toroidal core is not damaged.  I am hopeful that the
> core is
>   > o.k. since impedance measurements showed no change and I was able to run the
> 250
>   > watt transmitter into the antenna with a low swr after a period of time
> (after
>   > the tuner cooled down).
>   > I will of course use better insulated wire for the high voltage!
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > --
>   > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
>   > FN42hi
>   > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm<http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm>



From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:16:28 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4FyJ-00049I-1Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:16:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4FyI-0003yS-QC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:16:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4FxO-0000U3-Ij for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:15:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4FxO-0000Tu-8W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:15:26 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.200.81]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4HGv-0007aG-61 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:39:59 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006020111150101100kqsp9e>; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:15:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 06:15:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA 1 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Moderate static levels but CT1DRP consistently O copy on virtually every call sign string. DF6NM in Hell mode...might have worked on a quieter night! No other signals noted. http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:20:19 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4G26-0002fS-1J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:20:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4G25-0002bS-Pi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:20:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4G1q-0000Xh-Bz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:20:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4G1p-0000XY-Eg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:20:01 +0000 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4GjZ-0006rR-RG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:05:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 28203 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2006 11:19:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.24.29 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2006 11:19:55 -0000 Message-ID: <001001c62721$6fa49960$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <020120060225.29276.43E01C11000B4FD10000725C22064244130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 11:14:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ..Decca Litz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Mike and all, you need to be a bit carefull talking about the Decca Litz, because the coils were substantially air spaced. They are not solenoid wound, but more like a basket wind. There were several parallel strands of wire, "wavewound" on large formers with, I would estimate (I have disassembled my coil), about 0.5in. between layers ( plus the lateral distance of wavewind) So It was not dependent on the insulation. I have some Litzwire from that source that has only cotton insulation (DCC) but i dont know what this was used for. The wire on the coils has a thin plastic sheath over the cotton, but I think this is only intended for mechanical strength to protect the cotton cover during the winding process, and subsequent chaffing on the perspex (Lucite ??) separator "combs".
 
Cheers de Alan G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
From: MIKE REID
Sent: 01 February 2006 06:25
Subject: Re: LF: XGJ

So it appears to be a dielectric breakdown in one of the insulations of one or both of the core windings. Has anyone done a dielectric test on the Decca Litz wire? I did some on #12 THHN wire a couple years ago and it arced at 5kv AC at 1kc as well as 5kv DC. No burning but it made some Ozone smell and the frying sound. I'll have to do some hi-pot tests Wednesday on the #12 Teflon insulated wire I have on my transformer.
 
This is good information to know. Hopefully others down the road can use this data to design their LF stations.
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: LF: XGJ

Mike,

  The 50 ohm side was made up of Litz wire from the Decca tank coil. The loop side was #4 stranded wire with pvc insulation. 
  After examining the transformer close up it appears that the transformer arced from primary to secondary. This seems to be correlated with the damp rainy weather yesterday, the transmitter was running full power for 6 and a half hours before the transformer arced over.

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "MIKE REID" <>
> What type of insulation & wire gauge did you have before?
>
> Mike
> WE0H
> WD2XGI
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
>   To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<>
>   Cc: LWCA LF Reflector<mailto:lowfer@lwca.org>
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:18 PM
>   Subject: Re: LF: XGJ
>
>
>
>   Hello the list,
>
>
>         I disassembled the toroidal transformer in the loop ATU and found the
> cores to be good. I will attempt to pick up some teflon insulated wire tomorrow
> and rebuild the transformer, if all goes well will be back on the air tomorrow
> evening.
>
>   --
>   73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
>   FN42hi
>   http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm<http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm>
>
>    -------------- Original message ----------------------
>   From: (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ)
>   > Hello the list,
>   >
>   >   Many thanks for all the reports last night from Hartmut, Jean-Pierre
> (F5YG),
>   > Juan, Gary, and Roelof (Hope I didn't miss anyone!)
>   >
>   >   As many of you have noted the signal dropped off at 03:00 UTC. At 04:00 I
>   > noticed XGJ was very weak on the W3EEE 'grabber'. I went downstairs to the
> radio
>   > shack to investigate. The antenna current (measured at 50 ohms) was less
> than
>   > 100 mA ! It should be approximately 5 Amps from the Decca PA. I checked the
>   > Decca on a dummy load and it was ok. I tried the smaller transmitter and
> noticed
>   > a very high SWR. I went out and looked at the ATU, flashlight in hand. The
>   > secondary of the toroidal step down transformer had arced and burned through
> the 
>   > insulation. I believe that the very high humidity played a part in the
> breakdown
>   > of the insulation.   I will have a look at the transformer today and may be
> able
>   > to repair it if the toroidal core is not damaged.  I am hopeful that the
> core is
>   > o.k. since impedance measurements showed no change and I was able to run the
> 250
>   > watt transmitter into the antenna with a low swr after a period of time
> (after
>   > the tuner cooled down).
>   > I will of course use better insulated wire for the high voltage!
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > --
>   > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
>   > FN42hi
>   > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm<http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm>



From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:58:39 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4GdB-0003nq-Pv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:58:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4GdB-0003mq-Iu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:58:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4Gcm-0000nV-Mu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:58:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4Gcm-0000nM-Bf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:58:12 +0000 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4HwN-00086y-0x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:22:46 +0000 Received: from fwd33.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F4GbW-0005Oc-04; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:56:54 +0100 Received: from localhost (Gzt02TZJQeNT7JrbZl14+vI39EYR3PmnrFdQwwwD7B3+KPrxVC49ZO@[172.20.101.250]) by fwd33.aul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F4GbI-0CTncm0; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:56:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <001001c62721$6fa49960$67b0fea9@lark> References: <020120060225.29276.43E01C11000B4FD10000725C22064244130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> <001001c62721$6fa49960$67b0fea9@lark> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:56:40 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-UMS: email X-Mailer: TOI Kommunikationscenter V6-1-3 From: "DL4EAU@t-online.de" Message-ID: <1F4GbI-0CTncm0@fwd33.aul.t-online.de> X-ID: Gzt02TZJQeNT7JrbZl14+vI39EYR3PmnrFdQwwwD7B3+KPrxVC49ZO@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 2159eeb1-9c78-4d10-b2e4-dca9af5e0b48 Subject: LF: LF TA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi all, I want to test TA this night. What is a good frequency? Is 136.319KHz or 136.320KHz a good choice? I have made a test this morning. At 04:20h UTC I TX only one EAU in QRSS30 73' Tom DL4EAU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:07:45 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4Gly-0004px-6H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:07:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4Glx-0004lm-Ts for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:07:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4GlX-0000ta-1a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:07:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4GlW-0000tR-JT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:07:14 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4HTG-0007Dx-MJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 12:52:30 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11C673W003522 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:06:07 -0500 Received: from server (dial168-ripley2.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.149.168]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id k11C6Gf7006608 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 07:06:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00d101c62727$eff29c60$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <020120060225.29276.43E01C11000B4FD10000725C22064244130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:06:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello LFers,
 
In my Tesla coiling over the years I've found that the clear tubing used
with oxygen masks in hospitals makes a good insulator when pulled
over an already clad wire.  I use #18 teflon insulated hookup wire for
the "core" with the medical tubing over it in my TC power supplies,
and have had no problems at up to 15 KV.
 
73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
EN93dr
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:03:49 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4HeG-0005n3-CD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:03:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4HeG-0005mt-7i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:03:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4HdV-0001BX-Tq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:03:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4HdV-0001BO-Ic for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 13:03:01 +0000 Received: from mxout02.versatel.de ([212.7.152.119]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4Ix3-0000hv-QU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:27:36 +0000 Received: from mx01.versatel.de (mx01.versatel.de [212.7.146.1]) by mxout02.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k11D1ZjA021226 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:01:36 +0100 Received: from localhost (webmail2.versatel.de [62.214.100.55]) by mx01.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k11D1Y8C031056 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:01:34 +0100 Received: from i577a4b76.versanet.de (i577a4b76.versanet.de [87.122.75.118]) by webmail.versatel.de (Horde MIME library) with HTTP for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:01:34 +0100 Message-ID: <20060201140134.bx6q69omdv0o0wcg@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:01:34 +0100 From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20c.117ed27e.3110024e@aol.com> In-Reply-To: <20c.117ed27e.3110024e@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) Subject: Re: LF: diversity Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Zitat von MarkusVester@aol.com: > Hi Uwe, > > judging from the identical frequency scales, it looks like your two receivers > are in phase synchronism. You could then try SpecLab's Colour-DF setting and > get some interesting results. For a first experiment, probably the "two loops > on separate inputs" antenna option (which does not require an RF phase > shifter) will work best. > > 73 > Markus, DF6NM Hi Markus, so I did. pse see last pic on the site. regards Uwe/dj8wx > > In einer eMail vom 30.01.2006 17:58:22 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt > uwe-jannsen@versanet.de: > >> >> >> your comments pse. >> > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:02:37 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4IZA-0004AI-53 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:02:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4IZ9-00048O-Ti for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:02:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4IYm-0001U5-3j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:02:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4IYl-0001Tw-Em for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:02:11 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4JsK-0001Ts-E7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:26:47 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter05.comcast.net ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060201140145m1200k6r7oe>; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:01:45 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter05.comcast.net; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:01:44 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "Alan Melia" Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:01:44 +0000 Message-Id: <020120061401.29072.43E0BF47000EA6D20000719022007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: XGJ..Decca Litz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Alan, The Decca Litz I used was from the transmitter tank coils, not the external antenna loading coils. The Decca TX I got from Andre N4ICK (Andre got it from David G0MRF) was originally on 70.233 kHz. I had to both decrease the tank capacitance and the inductance to maintain Q. The wire I used for the transformer came from turns I took off one of the tank coils. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Alan Melia" > Hi Mike and all, you need to be a bit carefull talking about the Decca Litz, > because the coils were substantially air spaced. They are not solenoid wound, > but more like a basket wind. There were several parallel strands of wire, > "wavewound" on large formers with, I would estimate (I have disassembled my > coil), about 0.5in. between layers ( plus the lateral distance of wavewind) So > It was not dependent on the insulation. I have some Litzwire from that source > that has only cotton insulation (DCC) but i dont know what this was used for. > The wire on the coils has a thin plastic sheath over the cotton, but I think > this is only intended for mechanical strength to protect the cotton cover during > the winding process, and subsequent chaffing on the perspex (Lucite ??) > separator "combs". > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: MIKE REID > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Sent: 01 February 2006 06:25 > Subject: Re: LF: XGJ > > > So it appears to be a dielectric breakdown in one of the insulations of one or > both of the core windings. Has anyone done a dielectric test on the Decca Litz > wire? I did some on #12 THHN wire a couple years ago and it arced at 5kv AC at > 1kc as well as 5kv DC. No burning but it made some Ozone smell and the frying > sound. I'll have to do some hi-pot tests Wednesday on the #12 Teflon insulated > wire I have on my transformer. > > This is good information to know. Hopefully others down the road can use this > data to design their LF stations. > > Mike > WE0H > WD2XGI > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:25 PM > Subject: Re: LF: XGJ > > > Mike, > > The 50 ohm side was made up of Litz wire from the Decca tank coil. The > loop side was #4 stranded wire with pvc insulation. > After examining the transformer close up it appears that the transformer > arced from primary to secondary. This seems to be correlated with the damp rainy > weather yesterday, the transmitter was running full power for 6 and a half hours > before the transformer arced over. > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "MIKE REID" <> > > What type of insulation & wire gauge did you have before? > > > > Mike > > WE0H > > WD2XGI > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<> > > Cc: LWCA LF Reflector > > Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:18 PM > > Subject: Re: LF: XGJ > > > > > > > > Hello the list, > > > > > > I disassembled the toroidal transformer in the loop ATU and found > the > > cores to be good. I will attempt to pick up some teflon insulated wire > tomorrow > > and rebuild the transformer, if all goes well will be back on the air > tomorrow > > evening. > > > > -- > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > FN42hi > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) > > > Hello the list, > > > > > > Many thanks for all the reports last night from Hartmut, Jean-Pierre > > (F5YG), > > > Juan, Gary, and Roelof (Hope I didn't miss anyone!) > > > > > > As many of you have noted the signal dropped off at 03:00 UTC. At > 04:00 I > > > noticed XGJ was very weak on the W3EEE 'grabber'. I went downstairs to > the > > radio > > > shack to investigate. The antenna current (measured at 50 ohms) was > less > > than > > > 100 mA ! It should be approximately 5 Amps from the Decca PA. I > checked the > > > Decca on a dummy load and it was ok. I tried the smaller transmitter > and > > noticed > > > a very high SWR. I went out and looked at the ATU, flashlight in hand. > The > > > secondary of the toroidal step down transformer had arced and burned > through > > the > > > insulation. I believe that the very high humidity played a part in the > > breakdown > > > of the insulation. I will have a look at the transformer today and > may be > > able > > > to repair it if the toroidal core is not damaged. I am hopeful that > the > > core is > > > o.k. since impedance measurements showed no change and I was able to > run the > > 250 > > > watt transmitter into the antenna with a low swr after a period of > time > > (after > > > the tuner cooled down). > > > I will of course use better insulated wire for the high voltage! > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > > FN42hi > > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:48:19 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4JHN-00025q-3F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:48:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4JHM-000248-S9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:48:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4JGd-0001i1-K8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:47:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4JGc-0001hs-W5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 14:47:30 +0000 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4KaD-00020F-0D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:12:07 +0000 Received: from fwd31.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F4JGJ-0000EY-09; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:47:11 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (VTd5RGZJgec7DAny7ewlE0AHoH2lXv0DG8THrpog6RVascaXxY7AE9@[84.145.234.42]) by fwd31.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1F4JG9-1olQTA0; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:47:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 5.00.0036 Date: 01 Feb 2006 13:30 GMT Message-ID: <1F4JG9-1olQTA0@fwd31.sul.t-online.de> X-ID: VTd5RGZJgec7DAny7ewlE0AHoH2lXv0DG8THrpog6RVascaXxY7AE9 X-TOI-MSGID: c4c373f7-80b8-419f-84dd-bcd8bbd893bc Subject: Re: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit T-Online eMail
Concerning dielectric breakdown:
 
I remember there had been similar problems in the construction of capacitors in coaxial circuits for UHF television tubes when mica had been used for the insulator dielectric, between metallic surfaces which were not fully plane but included some air. The trick to solve the problem was to employ a thin layer of pure vaseline grease (may be some one even knows somthing better) on both sides of the mica surface which filled the gaps formerly filled with air.
 
May be this can also be used for high power/high voltage antenna transformers to avoid arcing between windings.
 
We generally know that another medium to avoid arcing in mains power transformers is oil.
 
HW?
 
73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
 
"MIKE REID" <we0h1@msn.com> schrieb:
So it appears to be a dielectric breakdown in one of the insulations of one or both of the core windings. Has anyone done a dielectric test on the Decca Litz wire? I did some on #12 THHN wire a couple years ago and it arced at 5kv AC at 1kc as well as 5kv DC. No burning but it made some Ozone smell and the frying sound. I'll have to do some hi-pot tests Wednesday on the #12 Teflon insulated wire I have on my transformer.
 
This is good information to know. Hopefully others down the road can use this data to design their LF stations.
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: LF: XGJ

Mike,

  The 50 ohm side was made up of Litz wire from the Decca tank coil. The loop side was #4 stranded wire with pvc insulation. 
  After examining the transformer close up it appears that the transformer arced from primary to secondary. This seems to be correlated with the damp rainy weather yesterday, the transmitter was running full power for 6 and a half hours before the transformer arced over.

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "MIKE REID" <>
> What type of insulation & wire gauge did you have before?
>
> Mike
> WE0H
> WD2XGI
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
>   To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<>
>   Cc: LWCA LF Reflector<mailto:lowfer@lwca.org>
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:18 PM
>   Subject: Re: LF: XGJ
>
>
>
>   Hello the list,
>
>
>         I disassembled the toroidal transformer in the loop ATU and found the
> cores to be good. I will attempt to pick up some teflon insulated wire tomorrow
> and rebuild the transformer, if all goes well will be back on the air tomorrow
> evening.
>
>   --
>   73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
>   FN42hi
>   http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm<http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm>
>
>    -------------- Original message ----------------------
>   From: (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ)
>   > Hello the list,
>   >
>   >   Many thanks for all the reports last night from Hartmut, Jean-Pierre
> (F5YG),
>   > Juan, Gary, and Roelof (Hope I didn't miss anyone!)
>   >
>   >   As many of you have noted the signal dropped off at 03:00 UTC. At 04:00 I
>   > noticed XGJ was very weak on the W3EEE 'grabber'. I went downstairs to the
> radio
>   > shack to investigate. The antenna current (measured at 50 ohms) was less
> than
>   > 100 mA ! It should be approximately 5 Amps from the Decca PA. I checked the
>   > Decca on a dummy load and it was ok. I tried the smaller transmitter and
> noticed
>   > a very high SWR. I went out and looked at the ATU, flashlight in hand. The
>   > secondary of the toroidal step down transformer had arced and burned through
> the 
>   > insulation. I believe that the very high humidity played a part in the
> breakdown
>   > of the insulation.   I will have a look at the transformer today and may be
> able
>   > to repair it if the toroidal core is not damaged.  I am hopeful that the
> core is
>   > o.k. since impedance measurements showed no change and I was able to run the
> 250
>   > watt transmitter into the antenna with a low swr after a period of time
> (after
>   > the tuner cooled down).
>   > I will of course use better insulated wire for the high voltage!
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > --
>   > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
>   > FN42hi
>   > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm<http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm>



 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:04:03 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4JWc-0002vn-LY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:04:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4JWc-0002sf-6u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:04:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4JWI-0001qk-2u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:03:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4JWH-0001qb-NK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:03:41 +0000 Received: from newbox.tcp.net.uk ([195.80.0.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4Kpr-0002Bq-TQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:28:18 +0000 Received: from standalone ([212.248.140.1]) by newbox.tcp.net.uk (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id k11ExdoV009997 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:59:44 GMT Message-ID: <000f01c6273f$7e05cc90$018cf8d4@standalone> From: "Andy" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:55:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-TCP-MailScanner-Information: Please visit www.tcp.co.uk for more information X-TCP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TCP-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-TCP-MailScanner-From: actalbot@southsurf.com Subject: LF: Can't see the wood for the trees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Can someone help with what should really be obvious. I have a train of constant width pulses at a fixed repetition rate. In the frequency domain these appear as a spectral comb with spacing at the repetition rate, whose amplitude follows a SIN(X) / X shape depending on the pulse width, ie. the first null occuring at at 1/width and so on. What I'm getting tied up in knots trying to calculate is : What is the absolute amplitude (power) of just one individual tooth of the comb at any particular spacing. Assume the pulse waveform has, say, 1mW or 0dBm mean amplitude, and consists of 500us pulses at 40Hz PRI. The duty cycle is 0.02, so the individual pulse power would have to be 50mW or 17dBm to get this mean. But what is the amplitude of the component at, say, 1kHz, or 1040Hz, or 10kHz ?? It must be obvious, but I keep feeling the urge to integrate SIN(X) / X which is not funny and way beyond my maths capabilities!! The figures given above are those for the 5MHz beacon sounder sequence. The amplitude trace on the monitoring software during the sounder sequence is measuring just one line of the comb ( F = 0, the carrier) , and appears to suggest this is about 30 - 35dB down on the CW part. That is -17dB from the peak/mean as above, but where does the other 13 - 18dB come from? Tearing hair out Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:14:10 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4JgL-0006jM-0L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:14:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4JgK-0006WA-Re for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:14:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4Jfr-000241-7O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:13:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4Jfq-00023s-Ol for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:13:34 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([63.240.77.83]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4KNh-0000MS-Bw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:58:54 +0000 Received: from AIRPORTTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060201151249013002m4jre>; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:12:49 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c62744$4a617c40$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <020120060225.29276.43E01C11000B4FD10000725C22064244130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> <001001c62721$6fa49960$67b0fea9@lark> <1F4GbI-0CTncm0@fwd33.aul.t-online.de> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 10:29:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Re: LF TA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Tom
 
136319 or 136320 should be fine here in terms of no interference - the closest loran line is at 320.3 and will not be a problem. Don't know if anyone has already spoken for those frequencies, though.
 
Jay, W1VD
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:56 AM
Subject: LF: LF TA

Hi all,

I want to test TA this night.
What is a good frequency?
Is 136.319KHz or 136.320KHz a good choice?

I have made a test this morning. At 04:20h UTC I TX only one EAU in
QRSS30

73' Tom DL4EAU



From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:26:34 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4JsM-0000Gt-9L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:26:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4JsM-0000Ge-4f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:26:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4Js1-0002DU-Mj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:26:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4Js0-0002DL-7c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:26:08 +0000 Received: from [216.148.227.153] (helo=rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4KZo-0000SS-Il for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:11:28 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter76.comcast.net ([204.127.197.158]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060201152557m1300np8khe>; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:25:57 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter76.comcast.net; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:25:56 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "Andy" Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:25:56 +0000 Message-Id: <020120061525.20807.43E0D303000D69250000514722064244130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: Can't see the wood for the trees X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Andy, Unless I'm missing the meaning of your question, I believe you want the fourier coefficients to determine the amplitudes of the components making up the pulse train. Also, should you feel the need to integrate sin(x)/x, the so-called Dirichlet integral, it does converge and the definite integral from 0 to infinity of sin(x)/x = pi/2. For reference see: http://www.pupress.princeton.edu/books/maor/chapter_10.pdf I'm in the middle of a project at the moment but let me know if I'm on the right track - I could help with the fourier coefficients perhaps this evening. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Andy" > Can someone help with what should be obvious. > > I have a train of constant width pulses at a fixed repetition rate. In the > frequency domain these appear as a spectral comb with spacing at the > repetition rate, whose amplitude follows a SIN(X) / X shape depending on > the pulse width, ie. the first null occuring at at 1/width and so on. > > What I'm getting tied up in knots trying to calculate is : > > What is the absolute amplitude (power) of just one individual tooth of the > comb at any particular spacing. > > Assume the pulse waveform has, say, 1mW or 0dBm mean amplitude, and > consists of 500us pulses at 40Hz PRI. The duty cycle is 0.02, so the > individual pulse power would have to be 50mW or 17dBm to get this mean. > But what is the amplitude of the component at, say, 1kHz, or 1040Hz, or > 10kHz ?? > > It must be obvious, but I keep feeling the urge to integrate SIN(X) / X > which is not funny and way beyond my maths capabilities!! > > The figures given above are those for the 5MHz beacon sounder sequence. > The amplitude trace on the monitoring software during the sounder sequence > is measuring just one line of the comb ( F = 0, the carrier) , and appears > to suggest this is about 30 - 35dB down on the CW part. That is -17dB from > the peak/mean as above, but where does the other 13 - 18dB come from? > > Tearing hair out > > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:42:35 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4K7u-0001I4-CW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:42:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4K7u-0001Fc-1P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:42:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4K7Z-0002Mk-Re for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:42:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4K7Z-0002Mb-GS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:42:13 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.37]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4LRD-0002hM-2i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:06:50 +0000 Received: from 88-106-245-125.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.245.125]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 01 Feb 2006 15:40:31 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AK4HAPRe4EOHQCg Received: from 88-106-245-125.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.245.125]:4533 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1F4K2e-000EgU-KQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:37:08 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF \(Rsgb LF Group\)" Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:40:39 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: XKO QSL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Dex, Thank you for the qsl card recieved today, it was a pleasant surprise. 73 Gary - G4WGT From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:54:48 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4KJi-0001UH-9w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:54:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4KJi-0001RC-5P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:54:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4KJA-0002T9-Ju for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:54:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4KJA-0002T0-6X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:54:12 +0000 Received: from newbox.tcp.net.uk ([195.80.0.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4Lcl-0002oB-FO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:18:49 +0000 Received: from standalone ([212.248.140.26]) by newbox.tcp.net.uk (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id k11FrKoT000223 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:53:22 GMT Message-ID: <002901c62746$fc8ed190$1a8cf8d4@standalone> From: "Andy" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 15:48:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-TCP-MailScanner-Information: Please visit www.tcp.co.uk for more information X-TCP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TCP-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-TCP-MailScanner-From: actalbot@southsurf.com Subject: Re: LF: Can't see the wood for the trees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Yes - that's the obvious bit I was missing - go back to first principles and do the actual Fourier transform on the waveform. There ought to be a short cut, though, knowing the integral is finite and contains total power in the signal. I had assumed the Dirichlet integral converged, but didn't know the result, so maybe that is the way to go. Tnx Andy G4JNT www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/ -----Original Message----- From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Andy Date: 2006/02/01 15:34 Subject: Re: LF: Can't see the wood for the trees >Andy, > > Unless I'm missing the meaning of your question, I believe you want the fourier coefficients to determine the amplitudes of the components making up the pulse train. Also, should you feel the need to integrate sin(x)/x, the so-called Dirichlet integral, it does converge and the definite integral from 0 to infinity of sin(x)/x = pi/2. For reference see: >http://www.pupress.princeton.edu/books/maor/chapter_10.pdf > > I'm in the middle of a project at the moment but let me know if I'm on the right track - I could help with the fourier coefficients perhaps this evening. > >-- >73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ >FN42hi >http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: "Andy" >> Can someone help with what should be obvious. >> >> I have a train of constant width pulses at a fixed repetition rate. In the >> frequency domain these appear as a spectral comb with spacing at the >> repetition rate, whose amplitude follows a SIN(X) / X shape depending on >> the pulse width, ie. the first null occuring at at 1/width and so on. >> >> What I'm getting tied up in knots trying to calculate is : >> >> What is the absolute amplitude (power) of just one individual tooth of the >> comb at any particular spacing. >> >> Assume the pulse waveform has, say, 1mW or 0dBm mean amplitude, and >> consists of 500us pulses at 40Hz PRI. The duty cycle is 0.02, so the >> individual pulse power would have to be 50mW or 17dBm to get this mean. >> But what is the amplitude of the component at, say, 1kHz, or 1040Hz, or >> 10kHz ?? >> >> It must be obvious, but I keep feeling the urge to integrate SIN(X) / X >> which is not funny and way beyond my maths capabilities!! >> >> The figures given above are those for the 5MHz beacon sounder sequence. >> The amplitude trace on the monitoring software during the sounder sequence >> is measuring just one line of the comb ( F = 0, the carrier) , and appears >> to suggest this is about 30 - 35dB down on the CW part. That is -17dB from >> the peak/mean as above, but where does the other 13 - 18dB come from? >> >> Tearing hair out >> >> Andy G4JNT >> www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/ >> >> >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:57:00 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4KLs-0003pQ-0j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:57:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4KLr-0003oh-PO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:56:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4KLi-0002WR-7z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:56:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4KLh-0002WI-M2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 15:56:49 +0000 Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.82]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4L3Z-0000ep-6S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:42:10 +0000 Received: from fwd27.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F4KLf-0007rn-02; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:56:47 +0100 Received: from dl4eau (rw8sJkZaYe8f5YF0ULlZumYTinr7DPOBFzpXozeOm0wK8e22QHXcE7@[217.245.118.146]) by fwd27.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1F4KKs-08BcHY0; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:55:58 +0100 From: "Thomas Eckart" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:55:49 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <002101c62744$4a617c40$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> Importance: Normal X-ID: rw8sJkZaYe8f5YF0ULlZumYTinr7DPOBFzpXozeOm0wK8e22QHXcE7 X-TOI-MSGID: 7a30a374-d231-4da9-9211-48f776762fad Subject: LF: AW: Re: LF TA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Jay,
ok and thanks for response to my question.
So I think I'll use the 136319.5 khz for test.
 
Best 73' hope that you will see me! :-)
 
Tom DL4EAU
 
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Im Auftrag von Jay Rusgrove
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2006 16:29
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: Re: LF TA

Tom
 
136319 or 136320 should be fine here in terms of no interference - the closest loran line is at 320.3 and will not be a problem. Don't know if anyone has already spoken for those frequencies, though.
 
Jay, W1VD
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:56 AM
Subject: LF: LF TA

Hi all,

I want to test TA this night.
What is a good frequency?
Is 136.319KHz or 136.320KHz a good choice?

I have made a test this morning. At 04:20h UTC I TX only one EAU in
QRSS30

73' Tom DL4EAU



From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:02:51 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4KRU-0004sl-KY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:02:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4KRU-0004oG-Ac for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:02:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4KR5-0002f1-VL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:02:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4KR5-0002es-C5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:02:23 +0000 Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.74]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4L8v-0000i6-Gy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:47:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 18581 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2006 16:02:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 01 Feb 2006 16:02:00 -0000 Message-ID: <43E0DC46.9040709@w1tag.com> Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:05:26 -0500 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <020120060225.29276.43E01C11000B4FD10000725C22064244130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> <001001c62721$6fa49960$67b0fea9@lark> <1F4GbI-0CTncm0@fwd33.aul.t-online.de> <002101c62744$4a617c40$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> In-Reply-To: <002101c62744$4a617c40$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> Subject: LF: Re: LF TA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Just to second Jay's report of last night -- CT1DRP copy was excellent for most of the night. I had weaker copy of Markus' Hell signal, but could tell that something was there. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:04:41 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4KTH-0006QZ-8g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:04:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4KTH-0006OZ-2p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:04:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4KT2-0002kQ-Qq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:04:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4KT2-0002kG-D6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:04:24 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.192.81]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4Lmc-0002vA-LY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:29:02 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter76.comcast.net ([204.127.197.158]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060201160357m110017cpce>; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:03:57 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter76.comcast.net; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:03:54 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "Andy" Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:03:54 +0000 Message-Id: <020120061603.5047.43E0DBEA0008965D000013B722064244130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: Can't see the wood for the trees X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Andy, Keep in mind that if you have tabular data then Microsoft Excel (as well as other programs) can do a fourier analysis. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Andy" > Yes - that's the obvious bit I was missing - go back to first principles and > do the actual Fourier transform on the waveform. > > There ought to be a short cut, though, knowing the integral is finite and > contains total power in the signal. I had assumed the Dirichlet integral > converged, but didn't know the result, so maybe that is the way to go. > > Tnx > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/ > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org ; > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Cc: Andy > Date: 2006/02/01 15:34 > Subject: Re: LF: Can't see the wood for the trees > > > >Andy, > > > > Unless I'm missing the meaning of your question, I believe you want > the fourier coefficients to determine the amplitudes of the components > making up the pulse train. Also, should you feel the need to integrate > sin(x)/x, the so-called Dirichlet integral, it does converge and the > definite integral from 0 to infinity of sin(x)/x = pi/2. For reference see: > >http://www.pupress.princeton.edu/books/maor/chapter_10.pdf > > > > I'm in the middle of a project at the moment but let me know if I'm on the > right track - I could help with the fourier coefficients perhaps this > evening. > > > >-- > >73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > >FN42hi > >http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > >From: "Andy" > >> Can someone help with what should be obvious. > >> > >> I have a train of constant width pulses at a fixed repetition rate. In > the > >> frequency domain these appear as a spectral comb with spacing at the > >> repetition rate, whose amplitude follows a SIN(X) / X shape depending on > >> the pulse width, ie. the first null occuring at at 1/width and so on. > >> > >> What I'm getting tied up in knots trying to calculate is : > >> > >> What is the absolute amplitude (power) of just one individual tooth of > the > >> comb at any particular spacing. > >> > >> Assume the pulse waveform has, say, 1mW or 0dBm mean amplitude, and > >> consists of 500us pulses at 40Hz PRI. The duty cycle is 0.02, so the > >> individual pulse power would have to be 50mW or 17dBm to get this mean. > >> But what is the amplitude of the component at, say, 1kHz, or 1040Hz, or > >> 10kHz ?? > >> > >> It must be obvious, but I keep feeling the urge to integrate SIN(X) / X > >> which is not funny and way beyond my maths capabilities!! > >> > >> The figures given above are those for the 5MHz beacon sounder sequence. > >> The amplitude trace on the monitoring software during the sounder > sequence > >> is measuring just one line of the comb ( F = 0, the carrier) , and > appears > >> to suggest this is about 30 - 35dB down on the CW part. That is -17dB > from > >> the peak/mean as above, but where does the other 13 - 18dB come from? > >> > >> Tearing hair out > >> > >> Andy G4JNT > >> www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/ > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:06:45 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4KVF-0004Da-DR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:06:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4KVE-0004DC-JN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:06:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4KV6-0002qe-BE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:06:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4KV6-0002qV-0d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:06:32 +0000 Received: from smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.199]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4Log-0002xN-N5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:31:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 30331 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2006 16:06:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.199) with ESMTP; 01 Feb 2006 16:06:04 -0000 Message-ID: <43E0DD32.3020907@w1tag.com> Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 11:09:22 -0500 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: XES WOLF Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) WD2XES will run WOLF (10) tonight on 137.577 kHz. Reports are always welcome. Start time should be around 2300 UTC. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:12:07 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4KaT-0005ro-2x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:12:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4KaS-0005mn-99 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:12:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4Ka9-00030m-W6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:11:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4Ka9-00030d-K1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:11:45 +0000 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4Ltk-00032D-8X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:36:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 22893 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2006 16:10:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.133.127 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2006 16:10:24 -0000 Message-ID: <001501c6274a$04bb8860$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c6273f$7b8710f0$018cf8d4@standalone> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 16:09:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: Can't see the wood for the trees Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Andy I think what you are looking for is given on page 22 of my copy of "Radio Engineers Handbook" by Terman I am sure you have access to a copy if not I could scan Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy To: Sent: 01 February 2006 14:51 Subject: LF: Can't see the wood for the trees > Can someone help with what should be obvious. > > I have a train of constant width pulses at a fixed repetition rate. In the > frequency domain these appear as a spectral comb with spacing at the > repetition rate, whose amplitude follows a SIN(X) / X shape depending on > the pulse width, ie. the first null occuring at at 1/width and so on. > > What I'm getting tied up in knots trying to calculate is : > > What is the absolute amplitude (power) of just one individual tooth of the > comb at any particular spacing. > > Assume the pulse waveform has, say, 1mW or 0dBm mean amplitude, and > consists of 500us pulses at 40Hz PRI. The duty cycle is 0.02, so the > individual pulse power would have to be 50mW or 17dBm to get this mean. > But what is the amplitude of the component at, say, 1kHz, or 1040Hz, or > 10kHz ?? > > It must be obvious, but I keep feeling the urge to integrate SIN(X) / X > which is not funny and way beyond my maths capabilities!! > > The figures given above are those for the 5MHz beacon sounder sequence. > The amplitude trace on the monitoring software during the sounder sequence > is measuring just one line of the comb ( F = 0, the carrier) , and appears > to suggest this is about 30 - 35dB down on the CW part. That is -17dB from > the peak/mean as above, but where does the other 13 - 18dB come from? > > Tearing hair out > > Andy G4JNT > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/ > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:24:38 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4Lib-0001ro-CK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:24:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4Lia-0001rB-Uj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:24:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4Lhd-0003Ol-UF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:23:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4Lhd-0003Oc-If for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:23:33 +0000 Received: from dx.ru ([80.68.4.13] helo=relay.dx.ru) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4N1F-0003mp-Jj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:48:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 11786 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2006 20:23:01 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (ed@10.0.1.11) by unix.dx with SMTP; 1 Feb 2006 20:23:01 +0300 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:22:49 +0300 From: Ed Lesnichy X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: RU6LA acty 3-5 Feb and HF2LF Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030904070500020202060502" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030904070500020202060502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear LF enthusiasts, I'll be active on 136 at Feb 3-5 from a Machta (KN97LN) All time I'll be mainly in QRSS, but after 21z in CW on 136.6 On Saturday (Feb 4) I'll make HF2LF experiment, but your help is necessary to me The idea may be absurd, but I would like to check up ;-) Experiment's idea is on an attach Start 13z - end 19z (Feb 4) Sunrise on KN87LN at 1425z HF freq: TX1 14.350, TX2 14.212295 Pwr abt 100W Output on both HF TX HF ANT: 3el beam and 6el quads (may be both TX on 6el quads through Wilkinson Splitter/Combiner) The direction of my ant will be to Central Europe Mode: QRSS 30 - "RU RU RU RU ..." Pse RX on 14.350-14.212295=0.137705kHz and check my HF's freqs Any reports and ideas are welcomed 73! 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Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4MKG-0003er-1f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:03:28 +0000 Received: from dx.ru ([80.68.4.13] helo=relay.dx.ru) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4N28-0001YW-Ta for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:48:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 12739 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2006 21:03:11 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (ed@10.0.1.11) by unix.dx with SMTP; 1 Feb 2006 21:03:11 +0300 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 21:02:59 +0300 From: Ed Lesnichy X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Re: HF2LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) EL> Pse RX on 14.350-14.212295=0.137705kHz and check my HF's freqs SRI - my mistake ;-(( 14.350-14.212295=0.137705 MHz i.e. 137.705kHz 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru http://136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:16:07 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4MWT-0006kR-Tl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:16:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4MWT-0006hU-PM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:16:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4MWB-0003oo-9l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:15:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4MWA-0003of-Uy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:15:46 +0000 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4Npo-0004Om-K3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:40:26 +0000 Received: from fwd27.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F4MVq-0003bM-03; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:15:26 +0100 Received: from HW1 (ZBe4duZZZesKpW3ZsMHMDUSeONBo1kNqJx--NbGqqUiWYZddVT8x44@[84.133.99.111]) by fwd27.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F4MVY-0BxLqy0; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:15:08 +0100 Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:15:05 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1387464758.20060201191505@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: ZBe4duZZZesKpW3ZsMHMDUSeONBo1kNqJx--NbGqqUiWYZddVT8x44 X-TOI-MSGID: 4347e2f5-3a05-4b62-9fb3-4d325b27a6c6 Subject: LF: TA Jan, 31st/Feb, 1st Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Despite poorer signal levels than previous nights, solid overnight copy of VO1NA. On the WD2XKO signal some fadings were visible, but several "XKO" strings were O copy. Between 01:10 and 01:20 a long dash appeared on about 137.7766. An EU signal? Captures: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:59:06 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4NC5-0005Gy-CS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:59:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4NC4-0005GS-QE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:59:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4NBL-00045O-Cf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:58:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4NBK-00045F-IN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:58:18 +0000 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4NtD-0001uv-Og for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:43:42 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id l.21c.75583cf (48600) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:54:16 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <21c.75583cf.31125dd7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:54:15 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: TA 1 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Jay and LF Group,

great, this is _much_ better than I had dared to hope for! Thanks, also to John W1TAG, for the very interesting feedback.

Tonight I could run even slower at 0.15 Hz character height. But this would make sense only when observed with 10 mHz FFT resolution, i.e. Argo 60s or 90s settings. What do you think?

Kind regards
Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 01.02.2006 12:16:26 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt JRusgrove@comcast.net:

Moderate static levels but CT1DRP consistently O copy on virtually every call sign string. DF6NM in Hell mode...might have worked on a quieter night! No other signals noted.

http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html

 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:15:56 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4NSL-0003Gc-I8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:15:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4NSL-0003FH-A0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:15:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4NRy-0004Ed-RK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:15:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4NRy-0004EU-At for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:15:30 +0000 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4Olc-0005LG-Ji for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:40:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 79855 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2006 19:15:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.132.157.93 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2006 19:15:10 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:16:10 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <21c.75583cf.31125dd7@aol.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: TA 1 FEB 06 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040802000704020005090800" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040802000704020005090800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Here's how it looked from UK....NM, DRP and HRE all captured together.
 
73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of MarkusVester@aol.com
Sent: 01 February 2006 18:54
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: TA 1 FEB 06

Dear Jay and LF Group,

great, this is _much_ better than I had dared to hope for! Thanks, also to John W1TAG, for the very interesting feedback.

Tonight I could run even slower at 0.15 Hz character height. But this would make sense only when observed with 10 mHz FFT resolution, i.e. Argo 60s or 90s settings. What do you think?

Kind regards
Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 01.02.2006 12:16:26 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt JRusgrove@comcast.net:

Moderate static levels but CT1DRP consistently O copy on virtually every call sign string. DF6NM in Hell mode...might have worked on a quieter night! No other signals noted.

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([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4Nd4-0003CH-5a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:26:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4Nci-0004Nj-7Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:26:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4Nch-0004Na-P5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:26:35 +0000 Received: from newbox.tcp.net.uk ([195.80.0.243]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4OwL-0005XY-7L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:51:16 +0000 Received: from [212.248.140.16] ([212.248.140.16]) by newbox.tcp.net.uk (8.12.7/8.12.7) with ESMTP id k11JRnoT019685 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:27:50 GMT Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.0/248]); Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:25:46 +0000 Message-ID: <001001c62765$4cf45920$045bfea9@d4f8d8> From: "Andy Talbot" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c6273f$7b8710f0$018cf8d4@standalone> <001501c6274a$04bb8860$67b0fea9@lark> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:25:45 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-TCP-MailScanner-Information: Please visit www.tcp.co.uk for more information X-TCP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-TCP-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-TCP-MailScanner-From: actalbot@southsurf.com Subject: LF: Re: Re: Can't see the wood for the trees Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Think I've found a way of getting the answer without having to back to first FFT principles - it had to be possible. Take a DC voltage of level = 1.0, In a unit resistance the power also = 1. When chopped by a 2% duty cycle pulse train, this will have a mean DC VOLTAGE of 0.02 For any signal so chopped, its mean POWER will also be 0.02 Now, a voltage of 0.02 NORMALLY means a power of 0.02^2 = 0.0004 so something is going on. The solution is that the extra power (0.02 - 0.0004) is going into the sidebands / frequency comb. So, an easy way to calculate the absolute level of any comb component is to first find out the zero frequency term, which is the 0.02 VOLTAGE in this case, then apply sin(x)/x to any other terms as needed and multiply the result by the zero frequency value to obtain the absolute level. So, using the 5MHz sounder sequence, DC term (carrier when at RF) = 0.02 voltage = -34db on the CW power. At 1kHz away, X = 1kHz * 500us pulse width = 0.5, so further attenuation = sin (pi.0.5)/pi.0.5 = 0.64 = -4dB. So sideband level at 1kHz away from 5.29MHz = -39db on the CW tone. Which is very close to what I'm seeing - QED Seems a rather convoluted calcualtion, but it got there! Andy G4JNT ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 4:09 PM Subject: LF: Re: Can't see the wood for the trees > Hi Andy I think what you are looking for is given on page 22 of my copy of > "Radio Engineers Handbook" by Terman I am sure you have access to a copy if > not I could scan > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andy > To: > Sent: 01 February 2006 14:51 > Subject: LF: Can't see the wood for the trees > > > > Can someone help with what should be obvious. > > > > I have a train of constant width pulses at a fixed repetition rate. In > the > > frequency domain these appear as a spectral comb with spacing at the > > repetition rate, whose amplitude follows a SIN(X) / X shape depending on > > the pulse width, ie. the first null occuring at at 1/width and so on. > > > > What I'm getting tied up in knots trying to calculate is : > > > > What is the absolute amplitude (power) of just one individual tooth of the > > comb at any particular spacing. > > > > Assume the pulse waveform has, say, 1mW or 0dBm mean amplitude, and > > consists of 500us pulses at 40Hz PRI. The duty cycle is 0.02, so the > > individual pulse power would have to be 50mW or 17dBm to get this mean. > > But what is the amplitude of the component at, say, 1kHz, or 1040Hz, or > > 10kHz ?? > > > > It must be obvious, but I keep feeling the urge to integrate SIN(X) / X > > which is not funny and way beyond my maths capabilities!! > > > > The figures given above are those for the 5MHz beacon sounder sequence. > > The amplitude trace on the monitoring software during the sounder sequence > > is measuring just one line of the comb ( F = 0, the carrier) , and > appears > > to suggest this is about 30 - 35dB down on the CW part. That is -17dB > from > > the peak/mean as above, but where does the other 13 - 18dB come from? > > > > Tearing hair out > > > > Andy G4JNT > > www.scrbg.org/g4jnt/ > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.24/244 - Release Date: 2006-01-30 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.0/248 - Release Date: 2006-02-01 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:28:26 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4NeT-0001yc-0I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:28:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4NeS-0001wH-RZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:28:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4NeH-0004Py-Tc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:28:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4NeH-0004Pp-Gr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:28:13 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4Oxv-0005aV-Ni for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:52:54 +0000 Received: from AIRPORTTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060201192747m13009lv50e>; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 19:27:47 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c62767$e75d3d40$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <21c.75583cf.31125dd7@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:44:23 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: Re: LF: TA 1 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Markus
 
Looks like it should be quieter tonight. How about one more night same as last night then we'll try slowing things down.
 
Jay
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: LF: TA 1 FEB 06

Dear Jay and LF Group,

great, this is _much_ better than I had dared to hope for! Thanks, also to John W1TAG, for the very interesting feedback.

Tonight I could run even slower at 0.15 Hz character height. But this would make sense only when observed with 10 mHz FFT resolution, i.e. Argo 60s or 90s settings. What do you think?

Kind regards
Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 01.02.2006 12:16:26 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt JRusgrove@comcast.net:

Moderate static levels but CT1DRP consistently O copy on virtually every call sign string. DF6NM in Hell mode...might have worked on a quieter night! No other signals noted.

http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:30:27 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4NgQ-0008Vt-J7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:30:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4NgQ-0008UY-F1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:30:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4NgD-0004WN-4a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:30:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4NgC-0004WC-PZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:30:12 +0000 Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.207]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4Ozu-0005dk-HN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:54:53 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id l.e3.249f4d3a (48600) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:29:48 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:29:47 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: TA 1 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dave,

mni tnx for the nice screenshot. There's a "...TW..." from Rich near the top as well.

All the best

Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 01.02.2006 20:16:05 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt ganymede444@btopenworld.com:

Here's how it looked from UK....NM, DRP and HRE all captured together.


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:38:13 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4Nnv-0007tv-V7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:38:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4Nnv-0007tp-QI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:38:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4Nng-0004dz-Ty for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:37:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4Nng-0004dq-H9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:37:56 +0000 Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4OVa-0002Pl-Le for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:23:21 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id l.1a8.47978b23 (48600) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:34:01 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <1a8.47978b23.31126728@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 14:34:00 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: TA 1 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Jay

righton, 0.3 Hz again - will hit the trigger sometime near 21:00.

73 de Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 01.02.2006 20:28:55 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt JRusgrove@comcast.net:

Looks like it should be quieter tonight. How about one more night same as last night then we'll try slowing things down.


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:10:57 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4OJb-0006M5-Pc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:10:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4OJb-0006LU-Kw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:10:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4OJ5-0004wf-Ap for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:10:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4OJ4-0004wW-TT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:10:22 +0000 Received: from outbound01.telus.net ([199.185.220.220] helo=priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4Pck-0006B0-73 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:35:04 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060201200955.TMEU19995.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 13:09:55 -0700 Message-ID: <005801c6276b$a4da6d40$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 12:11:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TIL grabber on. Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Centered in the NA watering hole.
 
 
She updates every 10 minutes. Times are UTC.
 
73 Scott
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:37:25 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4QbM-0007NG-5b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:37:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4QbM-0007N8-0i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:37:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4QbB-00061d-DQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:37:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4QbA-00061U-U9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:37:12 +0000 Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4RJA-0003aq-Rf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:22:41 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id l.25f.61e2b9a (48600) for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:33:19 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <25f.61e2b9a.3112912f@aol.com> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:33:19 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: Freq Shift Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Gary and LF Group,

yes, at 21:38 I saw a piece of a red dash on 136318.6. Thought I had probably collided with OM2TW, and decided to move down by 0.1Hz.

Thanks for the report, your pic helps to sort the guesswork out.

73 de Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 01.02.2006 23:15:55 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk:

DF6NM seems to have shifted freq slightly about 2205 just after my posted
capture.


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:39:54 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4Olc-0007R9-Dy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:39:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4Olc-0007Oo-83 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:39:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4OlB-00057i-Cj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:39:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4OlA-00057Z-Mi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:39:24 +0000 Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.203]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4PT7-0002la-QO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:24:51 +0000 Received: (qmail 12484 invoked from network); 1 Feb 2006 20:39:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.132.157.93 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Feb 2006 20:39:20 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:40:21 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: AW: Re: LF TA Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060508030301020007050500" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060508030301020007050500 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi, Tom.
 
Caught this from you this morning at about 04:20 utc...
 
73 Dave G3WCB IO91RM
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Thomas Eckart
Sent: 01 February 2006 15:56
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: AW: Re: LF TA

Hi Jay,
ok and thanks for response to my question.
So I think I'll use the 136319.5 khz for test.
 
Best 73' hope that you will see me! :-)
 
Tom DL4EAU
 
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Im Auftrag von Jay Rusgrove
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. Februar 2006 16:29
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: LF: Re: LF TA

Tom
 
136319 or 136320 should be fine here in terms of no interference - the closest loran line is at 320.3 and will not be a problem. Don't know if anyone has already spoken for those frequencies, though.
 
Jay, W1VD
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:56 AM
Subject: LF: LF TA

Hi all,

I want to test TA this night.
What is a good frequency?
Is 136.319KHz or 136.320KHz a good choice?

I have made a test this morning. At 04:20h UTC I TX only one EAU in
QRSS30

73' Tom DL4EAU



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Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:31:38 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4QVk-00053z-If for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:31:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4QVk-00052x-DG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:31:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4QVL-0005vv-2B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:31:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4QVK-0005vm-KX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 22:31:10 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4RDI-0003Ub-9H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 23:16:39 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k11MUP2v004534 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:30:25 -0500 Received: from server (dial-42.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.42]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id k11MT7eg001870 for ; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 17:29:08 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00fb01c6277e$e72a27e0$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <005801c6276b$a4da6d40$0201a8c0@private.network> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:28:53 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: XKO QSL Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello Dex,
 
Many thanks for the QSL card which arrived today via snail mail.
Thanks go out to all who have sent me QSLs, which I try to
respond personally to, but sometimes forget.  They are all
very much appreciated!
 
73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
EN93dr
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 01:18:45 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4T7O-00005C-QZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 01:18:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4T7O-0008SH-I8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 01:18:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4T6F-0006yI-TB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 01:17:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4T6E-0006y9-TX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 01:17:26 +0000 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4UPy-00017v-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 02:42:13 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([138.88.41.247]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IU1008ZWCWDOWL2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:17:06 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:16:30 -0500 From: Andre Kesteloot In-reply-to: <43D0258B.2000601@usa.net> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "Gentges, Frank" Message-id: <43E15D6E.6030301@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <016101c61d02$12ceca40$2101a8c0@pcroelof> <43CFCE5D.5000504@usa.net> <20060119232216.u1kyilxv57r4scgg@webmail.versatel.de> <43D0258B.2000601@usa.net> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax;nscd1) Subject: Re: LF: Re: Mini Whip and local noise Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Alberto di Bene wrote:
Hi Uwe,

 probably you haven't found it because it is referred to as "Amrad active antenna".
Here is the PDF file describing it :
http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/pdf/0109031.pdf

and here you can find some notes by Amrad on it :
http://www.pacificsites.com/~brooke/LF-Ant.shtml

It uses a rather unusual power FET as active device, the
Crystalonics CP666. A few have built it using a couple of U310 in parallel, at the maximum drain current compatible
with the max dissipation, and with the supply voltage
reduced from 24 to 12V.

If the Roelof's mini whip antenna performs similarly,
then there isn't the need of searching for the (expensive)
CP666 FET.

73  Alberto  I2PHD

As regards the AMRAD LF Antenna, here is Frank K0BRA's latest write up on the subject, dated 29 January 2006.
73
André N4ICK
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The AMRAD Active Antenna After Five Years

Frank Gentges K0BRA

Its been five years since the September 2001 QST article on the AMRAD active LF receiving antenna developed by several of us at AMRAD.  Since then we have heard from a number of people and the indications are that somewhere between 300-500 antennas have been constructed pretty much in accordance to that article.  Since publishing it in QST, ARRL has posted an Acrobat file of it on their web site at

http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/pdf/0109031.pdf

so you don't have to dig out your old QSTs.  There is a web page on this antenna on the AMRAD web site at

http://www.amrad.org/projects/lf/actant/index.htm

The web site has additional information to the details in the QST article.  Especially, see the FAQ on a number of issues and one correction to the schematic.

EXPANDED APPLICATIONS

A fellow in one of the big EMI/EMC labs uses this antenna in their lab for testing.  Several local organizations are using the antenna for non-amateur field work and seem to like it.   If it is built with a one meter whip, the sensitivity at the higher end of HF will be a bit below the background noise.  A ninety-six inch whip will fix this but nearby AM broadcast stations may cause intermodulation.  It is best to just try it.

I built one up using a copper pipe in place of the PVC pipe.  A copper pipe cap on one end has a BNC connector.  A small piece of brass tubing of  three inch length was soldered into a hole in another copper pipe cap on the other end.  A wire lead from the amplifier input goes out the brass tubing.  This has proved a useful tool for sniffing local RF fields inside a chassis or around equipment.  Coupled with a selective voltmeter a  decent field plot was made around an antenna counterpoise model to predict the overall effect of the counterpoise.

Dr. Dallas Lankford's original design essentially had two of these back to back to make up an active dipole.  This would have a nice null that could be used to null out interfering  stations.

Four of these could be arranged in a square to build a small Adcock direction finding array.  A small processor, a pair of digitally controlled attenuators and a pair of wideband combining transformers should be able to generate a rotatable pattern.

CRYSTALONICS TRANSISTOR

The largest number of questions over these five years have been on the use of the Crystalonics JFET.  This device is only generally available from them directly and they were kind enough to honor orders for one or just a few units from individuals.  I asked them very recently if they were still willing to make it available on this basis.  Paul Weinstein commented on how they had sold many to individuals and to OEMs that had incorporated the device in their designs.  He assured me that “it has been a good arrangement and I will continue as long as you keep republishing or refreshing the article”.  I know they have shipped these transistors all over the world.  They are now making some of the Motorola parts that ON Semiconductor  quit making when they took on the Motorola discrete component line and are a valuable niche producer.   See Crystalonics at:

http://www.crystalonics.com

and by mail at:

<>Crystalonics
2805 Veterans Highway-Unit #14
Ronkonkoma, New York 11779

We found the Crystalonics CP-666 was extraordinarily linear and gave us very good intermodulation and overload characteristics.    This transistor presented a real challenge to measure.  We found the 3rd order IM was +37 dBM and the 2nd order IM was +53 dBM.   By comparison the only active antenna that beats this is the Dressler ARA-60 which shows a 3rd IM point of +50 dBM on their data sheet.    If less IM performance can be tolerated, it can be replaced with a  lesser U310 metal case or J310 plastic case JFET if we lower the DC power to 12 volts and biased at about 30 ma of drain  current.  With these JFETs, the 3rd order IM will be more like +10 dBM and the second order IM will be more like +18 dBM.  This option allows the deletion of the heat sink which simplifies the construction. 

The use of 12 volt power makes the unit a nice LF/MF/HF mobile receiving antenna running it directly on the vehicle power with just an isolation transformer. While running LF mobile all sorts of LF PLC (Power Line Carrier) control signals were heard near a large AC power transmission line.  The simpler antenna also performed well on the Outer Banks in an LF mobile receiving setup.  It did, however show some intermodulation with the strong LORAN-C signals there which would interfere with the weakest signals. These LORAN-C signals were the original reason to develop a better antenna which moved the design to the 24 volt/CP-666 version where these artifacts were not seen.  By getting rid of these intermodulation products it demonstrates that the LORAN-C system is in fact clean and the artifacts are a result of imperfect active antennas, receivers and nearby rusty bolt joints re-radiation.

OTHER PARTS

Originally, Signal Transformers assured us that they would honor orders for single units.  However,  that changed and now require a minimum order of $50.  About the same time  an email from Jon Lerner at Mitchell Electronics indicated they would like business from radio amateurs and were quite willing to sell single units.  A unit was ordered and tested. 

the Mitchell design (P/N DP 241-4-24) is better for this use.   You can reach them at:

 http://www.yesmec.com,

914-699-3800

Mitchell Electronics
85 West Grand Street
Mt. Vernon, NY 10552

It was also found that Amadon was not selling to amateurs any more.  At Dayton Hamvention Bytemark, who is an Amadon distributor, was displaying and indicated they gladly sell to amateurs.  Bytemark has been very helpful and can be reached at:

http://www.bytemark.com/

800 679-3184 (USA only) or

714-547-3276, by fax to 714-547-4433

sales@bytemark.com 

Bytemark
1510 E Edinger Ave #B
Santa Ana, CA 92705

The PC boards are still available from FAR circuits.  They have a large number of different boards and you can find this board set under “RECEIVER PREAMPLIFIERS”  on their web site at:

http://www.farcircuits.net/

(847) 836-9148 Voice/Fax

and mail at:

FAR Circuits

18N640 Field Court
Dundee, Illinois 60118
*****************************************8*************************************

 



From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 02:05:40 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4Tqs-00033S-NM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 02:05:40 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4Tqs-00030K-K9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 02:05:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4Tq6-0007HL-Mz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 02:04:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4Tq6-0007HC-8y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 02:04:50 +0000 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4V9q-0001YS-HK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 03:29:37 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([138.88.41.247]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IU1001QJF3AZ7S5@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Feb 2006 20:04:25 -0600 (CST) Date: Wed, 01 Feb 2006 21:03:52 -0500 From: Andre Kesteloot To: AMRAD Tacos , rsgb_lf_group Message-id: <43E16888.5000006@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax;nscd1) Subject: LF: Idaho drops BPL Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2006/01/27/100/?nc=1
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 04:51:29 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4WRK-0003Wa-Jb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 04:51:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4WRK-0003WB-8d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 04:51:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4WQX-0008FQ-Ji for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 04:50:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4WQW-0008FH-KT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 04:50:36 +0000 Received: from omc3-s17.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.249.91]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4X8c-00071I-95 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 05:36:13 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.117]) by omc3-s17.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:50:07 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 1 Feb 2006 20:50:07 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.37.244.7 by BAY5-DAV13.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 04:50:03 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.37.244.7] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1F4JG9-1olQTA0@fwd31.sul.t-online.de> Date: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:50:01 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 1 Feb 2006 22:50:02 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2006 04:50:07.0309 (UTC) FILETIME=[23B1CFD0:01C627B4] Subject: Re: LF: XGJ Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit T-Online eMail
I did the Hi-Pot tests today on the #12 teflon insulated wire. The 12" long piece of wire was layed on top of a aluminum plate which was grounded to the Hi-Pot tester. The wire was connected to the 'hot' side of the Hi-Pot tester. I set the controls for A/C voltage at 1 kilohertz with a level of 4500 volts. I turned on the tester and right away it made the wire give off a buzz sound with ozone being generated. I let it run for 2 hours and then inspected the wire. No damage to the Teflon insulation was seen. I tried 5000v DC and there was no arcing possible.
 
I am going to do some more tests Thursday on the #12 Teflon insulated wire with the Vaseline filling in the small air gap between the wire and the metal plate ground as see what effect it has on the ozone generation.
 
Thank you for the information Ha-Jo.
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
 
----- Original Message -----
From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: LF: XGJ

Concerning dielectric breakdown:
 
I remember there had been similar problems in the construction of capacitors in coaxial circuits for UHF television tubes when mica had been used for the insulator dielectric, between metallic surfaces which were not fully plane but included some air. The trick to solve the problem was to employ a thin layer of pure vaseline grease (may be some one even knows somthing better) on both sides of the mica surface which filled the gaps formerly filled with air.
 
May be this can also be used for high power/high voltage antenna transformers to avoid arcing between windings.
 
We generally know that another medium to avoid arcing in mains power transformers is oil.
 
HW?
 
73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
 
MIKE we0h schrieb:
So it appears to be a dielectric breakdown in one of the insulations of one or both of the core windings. Has anyone done a dielectric test on the Decca Litz wire? I did some on #12 THHN wire a couple years ago and it arced at 5kv AC at 1kc as well as 5kv DC. No burning but it made some Ozone smell and the frying sound. I'll have to do some hi-pot tests Wednesday on the #12 Teflon insulated wire I have on my transformer.
 
This is good information to know. Hopefully others down the road can use this data to design their LF stations.
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
Cc:
Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: LF: XGJ

Mike,

  The 50 ohm side was made up of Litz wire from the Decca tank coil. The loop side was #4 stranded wire with pvc insulation. 
  After examining the transformer close up it appears that the transformer arced from primary to secondary. This seems to be correlated with the damp rainy weather yesterday, the transmitter was running full power for 6 and a half hours before the transformer arced over.

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

 -------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "MIKE REID" <>
> What type of insulation & wire gauge did you have before?
>
> Mike
> WE0H
> WD2XGI
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
>   To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<>
>   Cc: LWCA LF Reflector<mailto:lowfer@lwca.org>
>   Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2006 5:18 PM
>   Subject: Re: LF: XGJ
>
>
>
>   Hello the list,
>
>
>         I disassembled the toroidal transformer in the loop ATU and found the
> cores to be good. I will attempt to pick up some teflon insulated wire tomorrow
> and rebuild the transformer, if all goes well will be back on the air tomorrow
> evening.
>
>   --
>   73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
>   FN42hi
>   http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm<http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm>
>
>    -------------- Original message ----------------------
>   From: (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ)
>   > Hello the list,
>   >
>   >   Many thanks for all the reports last night from Hartmut, Jean-Pierre
> (F5YG),
>   > Juan, Gary, and Roelof (Hope I didn't miss anyone!)
>   >
>   >   As many of you have noted the signal dropped off at 03:00 UTC. At 04:00 I
>   > noticed XGJ was very weak on the W3EEE 'grabber'. I went downstairs to the
> radio
>   > shack to investigate. The antenna current (measured at 50 ohms) was less
> than
>   > 100 mA ! It should be approximately 5 Amps from the Decca PA. I checked the
>   > Decca on a dummy load and it was ok. I tried the smaller transmitter and
> noticed
>   > a very high SWR. I went out and looked at the ATU, flashlight in hand. The
>   > secondary of the toroidal step down transformer had arced and burned through
> the 
>   > insulation. I believe that the very high humidity played a part in the
> breakdown
>   > of the insulation.   I will have a look at the transformer today and may be
> able
>   > to repair it if the toroidal core is not damaged.  I am hopeful that the
> core is
>   > o.k. since impedance measurements showed no change and I was able to run the
> 250
>   > watt transmitter into the antenna with a low swr after a period of time
> (after
>   > the tuner cooled down).
>   > I will of course use better insulated wire for the high voltage!
>   >
>   >
>   >
>   > --
>   > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
>   > FN42hi
>   > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm<http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm>



 
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Would that tubing be polyethylene? Clear?
 
Mike
WE0H
 
----- Original Message -----
From: J. B. Weazle McCreath
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: LF: XGJ

Hello LFers,
 
In my Tesla coiling over the years I've found that the clear tubing used
with oxygen masks in hospitals makes a good insulator when pulled
over an already clad wire.  I use #18 teflon insulated hookup wire for
the "core" with the medical tubing over it in my TC power supplies,
and have had no problems at up to 15 KV.
 
73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
EN93dr
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Hello all , on the list !
 
The last night copy only WD2XKO beacon 01:30 to 02:00 !
 
See attachment.
 
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht
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Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: XKO Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
Hello all,
 
partial copy of XKO yesterday.
 
Mike ZL4OL
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:16:49 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4aa5-0000DS-Us for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:16:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4aa5-00007j-OB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:16:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4aZg-0001V6-TW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:16:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4aZg-0001Ux-Ch for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:16:20 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.37]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4bHt-0008Uv-Ah for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:02:02 +0000 Received: from 88-106-245-125.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([88.106.245.125]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 02 Feb 2006 09:15:59 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AK4HABVc4UODOIQMKA Received: from 88-106-245-125.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([88.106.245.125]:4908 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1F4aW2-000P7y-1P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 09:12:34 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:16:37 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-reply-to: <25f.61e2b9a.3112912f@aol.com> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: LF: Freq Shift Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Markus,
 
That was good spotting of the red dash, I did not realise that it could be another transmission.
Pleased to help.
 

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of MarkusVester@aol.com
Sent: 01 February 2006 22:33
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Freq Shift

Gary and LF Group,

yes, at 21:38 I saw a piece of a red dash on 136318.6. Thought I had probably collided with OM2TW, and decided to move down by 0.1Hz.

Thanks for the report, your pic helps to sort the guesswork out.

73 de Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 01.02.2006 23:15:55 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk:

DF6NM seems to have shifted freq slightly about 2205 just after my posted
capture.


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:03:24 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4bJD-0002eX-Bm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:03:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4bJC-0002de-K1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:03:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4bIg-0001qm-MX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:02:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4bIg-0001qd-BP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 10:02:50 +0000 Received: from dx.ru ([80.68.4.13] helo=relay.dx.ru) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4ccY-0005eA-VF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:27:45 +0000 Received: (qmail 34085 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 13:01:19 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (ed@10.0.1.11) by unix.dx with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 13:01:19 +0300 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:01:06 +0300 From: Ed Lesnichy X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <486075040.20060202130106@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru> References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: HF2LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear LF enthusiasts, TNX by all for the comments and advice! 1. Alex RA9MB wrote abt 2-nd and 3-rd order nonlinear transformations in the ionosphere: 14350 - 14213=137 kHz - 2-nd order 28137 - 2*14000=137 kHz - 3-rd (TX1 28137, TX2 14000) 2*3568 - 7000=137 kHz - 3-rd (TX1 3568, TX2 7000) 2*1900 - 3663=137 kHz - 3-rd (TX1 1900, TX2 3663) - the best variant in Alex's opinion for HF2LF experiment Luxembourg effect (nonlinear transformations in the ionosphere) is 3-rd order nonlinear transformations (?) 2. Alex RA9MB wrote abt better variant HF2LF: 2*881.5 - 1900=137 kHz (for example TX1 1900, TX2 - broadcasting on 881.5 near my QTH or near RX QTH???) If I'll TX in a range 1810....2000 (160m amateur band), the broadcasting station should be TX in a range 836.5....931.5 kHz ...but probably my TX 100W Output can be a little (???) 3. Some LF enthusiasts have become interested to watch for mine HF2LF QRSS beacon on the opposite pond of the Atlantic ocean. i.e. in range 136.317...320 How is this freqs clear in Europe? 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru http://136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:31:14 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4cgD-0007kB-RS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:31:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4cgD-0007jD-62 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:31:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4cfQ-0002RR-CG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:30:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4cfP-0002RI-T4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:30:23 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc14.comcast.net ([204.127.200.84]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4dNf-00019q-0I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:16:09 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2006020211301401400k8n5te>; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:30:14 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c627ec$09093000$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:30:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA 2 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) What started out as a small storm over the Gulf coast in the afternoon turned into major Tstorms overnight. Copy difficult at best with CT1DRP making it through but not O copy until a late 0200Z. Slight traces of DF6NM and DL4EAU early then nothing from them the rest of the night. Both probably would have been good copy on a quiet night. http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html Jay, W1VD...hoping winter returns to the US soon... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:34:51 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4cjh-0003fT-N5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:34:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4cjh-0003eU-ET for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:34:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4cjZ-0002UD-Td for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:34:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4cjZ-0002U4-GV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:34:41 +0000 Received: from post-25.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.195]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4dRp-0001B6-Qo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:20:26 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:12198 helo=pcroelof) by post-25.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4cjX-000ApB-Cs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:34:39 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c627ec$a44d91f0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru> <486075040.20060202130106@dx.ru> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:34:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: J310 IMD figures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello all, Thanks to Andre Kesteloo for forwarding the update on the AMRAD active whip design and pleased to see that the CP666 is still available. Regarding the advice for substuting the CP666 for a J310 and the quoted second and third order IMD figures, I have measured these and found IP2 = + 65 dBm and IP3 = + 30 dBm. At 12 volt the J310 should be biased for 10 -12 mA, excellent for battery operation. These figures are in the same league as for the CP666 and I am tempted to purchase one and find out if there is any difference in practice. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:55:32 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4d3j-0002hL-2H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:55:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4d3i-0002fx-SW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:55:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4d3Q-0002ir-Cr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:55:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4d3Q-0002ii-0W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 11:55:12 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4dlg-0001Gl-Ld for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:40:57 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12Bsh3u019579 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:54:43 -0500 Received: from server (dial171-ripley2.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.149.171]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id k12BsuWI005025 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 06:54:57 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <014301c627ef$6a403e60$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43E0DD32.3020907@w1tag.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 03:04:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Re: XES WOLF Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi John, LFers, No first-line lockup this evening, but solid after the fifth line. I'm QSYing to the watering hole now at 03:00 UTC. 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:05:36 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4dDS-00088v-8j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:05:36 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4dDR-00087S-Qh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:05:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4dD7-0002sh-9Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:05:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4dD6-0002sY-RW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:05:12 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4dvL-0001KU-L6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:50:58 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k12C4QrG024882 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 07:04:26 -0500 Received: from server (dial171-ripley2.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.149.171]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id k12C4dWI007387 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 07:04:39 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <016601c627f0$c496f6a0$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <020120060225.29276.43E01C11000B4FD10000725C22064244130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> <00d101c62727$eff29c60$0b01a8c0@server> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:03:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Re: Tubing Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Mike,
 
I'm not sure what it is, but poly would seem a logical likely material.
I like the idea of vaseline that someone suggested, and I'll have to
give that a try with the teflon insulated wire inside the tube.  Oops,
almost forgot to say that the tubing is clear.
 
73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
EN93dr
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:15:41 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4dND-0006zE-8F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:15:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4dNC-0006wv-Rm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:15:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4dMt-00033n-Sg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:15:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4dMt-00033U-3X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:15:19 +0000 Received: from fh1028.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.38] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4egr-0007Ej-28 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:40:16 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.204.178) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43C54FAD0026D15C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:13:02 +0000 Message-ID: <002001c627f1$fef04a80$b2ccfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 11:56:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: TR Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
TR acty 02/02/06.
Only XKO visible, best around 0700 and still visible gone 0900z daylight when I switched off. VO1NA was there but weak last night. There appeared to be someone else with long dashes but I could not decode it at 30 sec dot setting, perhaps someone with a different mode.
Vert antenna in use.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:15:41 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4dND-0005qb-5K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:15:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4dNC-0005nd-VD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:15:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4dMt-00033m-SS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:15:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4dMt-00033Y-79 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:15:19 +0000 Received: from fh1028.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.38] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4egr-0007Ek-28 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:40:16 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.204.178) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43C54FAD0026D171 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:13:10 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c627f2$03b06aa0$b2ccfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:12:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: COILS Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
Ref recent articles about burnt out coils.
If possible only use single layer coils ie do not pile wind except there is no alternative. Pile wound coils handling high voltages ultimately burn up. Using ferrite, powdered iron cores, because of the small size sometimes it is difficult to get the required number of turns on the core and in that case I suppose overwinding is necessary, but go for a bigger core and avoid the problem.
I have never pile wound any coils and so never had a problem.
The litz wire on the decca pa coils has poor insulation for pile winding but just about works for single layer.
The litz wire on the larger loading coils, of which I have two is much better because of the plastic insulation. It has 729 strands if you count them !!
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:55:25 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4dze-0005wc-LJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:55:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4dze-0005sh-7t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:55:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4dz1-0003Vx-5H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:54:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4dz0-0003Vo-Md for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 12:54:42 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.200.82]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4fIz-0007Va-70 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:19:40 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060202125415012007vt4ke>; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 12:54:20 +0000 Message-ID: <003601c627f7$c864ea60$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru> <486075040.20060202130106@dx.ru> <000901c627ec$a44d91f0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 07:54:14 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: Re: J310 IMD figures Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Roelof
 
Had an opportunity to build 6 of the Amrad CP666 e probes (for a military customer) a while back and measured the following. First column is measurments from the QST article, second column is measurment average of the 6 antennas built (all measured within a dB or so of each other), third column Amrad circuit with single J310 at 12 volts and fourth column single J310 at 24 volts.
 
Measured significantly higher IP2 than the original article leading me to believe there might have been a measurement error in the original article...or I got a batch of CP666s that were unusally good performers. The fact that the J310 at 12 volts achieved +50 dBM makes me lean toward possible measurement error in the original article.
 
Hope these columns stay lined up when passing through the reflector! 
 
 
                      Amrad article         W1VD built           J310 12volt       J310 24 volt
                       
 
1 dB comp.    +25 dBm                +25 dBm            +17 dBm            +18 dBm
 
IP2                +53 dBm*              +60 dBm             +50 dBm           +60 dBm
 
IP3                +37 dBm                +36 dBm             +32 dBm           +32 dBm
 
Gain              -16.7 dB                 -16.5 dB               -10 dB              -10 dB
 
* possible measurement error
 
Jay, W1VD
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roelof Bakker" <roelof@ndb.demon.nl>
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 6:34 AM
Subject: LF: J310 IMD figures

> Hello all,
>
> Thanks to Andre Kesteloo for forwarding the update on the AMRAD active whip
> design and pleased to see that the CP666 is still available.
>
> Regarding the advice for substuting the CP666 for a J310 and the quoted
> second and third order IMD figures, I have measured these and found IP2 = +
> 65 dBm and IP3 = + 30 dBm. At 12 volt the J310 should be biased for 10 -12
> mA, excellent for battery operation. These figures are in the same league as
> for the CP666 and I am tempted to purchase one and find out if there is any
> difference in practice.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt
>
> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:17:30 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4eL2-0007RQ-EK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:17:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4eL2-0007R5-5J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:17:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4eKe-0003gn-4X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:17:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4eKd-0003ge-AX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:17:03 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4f2v-0001hJ-IN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:02:50 +0000 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1F4eKH-0003Lu-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:16:41 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1F4eKI-0003jx-E8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:16:42 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:16:38 -0000 Message-ID: <000201c627fa$e6299570$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003601c627f7$c864ea60$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: RE: Re: J310 IMD figures Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Dear Jay,

 

How is the -16dB “gain” defined?

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Jay Rusgrove
Sent: 02 February 2006 12:54
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: J310 IMD figures

 

Roelof

 

Had an opportunity to build 6 of the Amrad CP666 e probes (for a military customer) a while back and measured the following. First column is measurments from the QST article, second column is measurment average of the 6 antennas built (all measured within a dB or so of each other), third column Amrad circuit with single J310 at 12 volts and fourth column single J310 at 24 volts.

 

Measured significantly higher IP2 than the original article leading me to believe there might have been a measurement error in the original article...or I got a batch of CP666s that were unusally good performers. The fact that the J310 at 12 volts achieved +50 dBM makes me lean toward possible measurement error in the original article.

 

Hope these columns stay lined up when passing through the reflector! 

 

 

                      Amrad article         W1VD built           J310 12volt       J310 24 volt
                       
 
1 dB comp.    +25 dBm                +25 dBm            +17 dBm            +18 dBm
 
IP2                +53 dBm*              +60 dBm             +50 dBm           +60 dBm
 
IP3                +37 dBm                +36 dBm             +32 dBm           +32 dBm

 

Gain              -16.7 dB                 -16.5 dB               -10 dB              -10 dB

 

* possible measurement error

 

Jay, W1VD

 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:24:38 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4eRu-0003CA-Qk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:24:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4eRu-0003C1-M7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:24:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4eRh-0003os-2v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:24:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4eRg-0003oj-NU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:24:20 +0000 Received: from gemini.smart.net ([66.225.112.69]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4flc-0007ip-MI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:49:19 +0000 Received: from HOST (core-balt-3-249.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [209.163.118.249]) by gemini.smart.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k12DNxne031562 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:23:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c627fb$ee2f7540$0100a8c0@HOST> From: "chastant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43E0DD32.3020907@w1tag.com> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 08:23:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: XES WOLF Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This morning copy de Lloyd 2006-02-02 12:20:18 >WOLF10 -r 8000 -f 577 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 t: 24 f:-0.032 a: 1.3 dp:101.0 ci: 0 cj: 0 QASS.BIM4ZX9H*F ? t: 48 f:-0.032 a: 1.3 dp:101.2 ci: 6 cj:468 WD2XES 137.577 - t: 96 f:-0.032 a: 1.3 dp: 99.9 ci: 6 cj:468 WD2XES 137.577 - t: 192 f:-0.029 pm:881.3 jm: 24 q: 11.3 11.3 WD2XES 137.577 - t: 288 f:-0.029 pm: 1815 jm: 24 q: 13.8 14.1 WD2XES 137.577 - t: 384 f:-0.029 pm: 2960 jm: 24 q: 14.8 14.9 WD2XES 137.577 - t: 480 f:-0.029 pm: 3762 jm: 24 q: 16.0 16.0 WD2XES 137.577 - t: 576 f:-0.029 pm: 3942 jm: 24 q: 15.3 15.0 WD2XES 137.577 - t: 672 f:-0.029 pm: 3942 jm: 24 q: 15.4 14.9 WD2XES 137.577 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2006 11:09 AM Subject: LF: XES WOLF Again > WD2XES will run WOLF (10) tonight on 137.577 kHz. Reports are always > welcome. Start time should be around 2300 UTC. > > John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES > WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:56:21 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4ewc-0002t8-Uk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:56:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4ewc-0002sY-NC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:56:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4ew7-000480-1t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:55:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4ew6-00047r-7d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 13:55:46 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([204.127.192.84]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4feN-0001tN-Sk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:41:34 +0000 Received: from AIRPORTTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060202135453m14005688re>; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:54:58 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c62802$9941a6a0$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000201c627fa$e6299570$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 09:11:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: J310 IMD figures Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Jim
 
Sorry...probably should have used 'attenuation' instead of 'gain'...
 
In order to be consistent I used the same method as the original article:
 
 

"Test signals were fed through a 12-pF capacitor to simulate the source impedance of a 1-meter whip. Referenced to the antenna output, the following values were measured..."

Jay

 

----- Original Message -----

Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 8:16 AM
Subject: LF: RE: Re: J310 IMD figures

Dear Jay,

 

How is the -16dB “gain” defined?

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Jay Rusgrove
Sent: 02 February 2006 12:54
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: J310 IMD figures

 

Roelof

 

Had an opportunity to build 6 of the Amrad CP666 e probes (for a military customer) a while back and measured the following. First column is measurments from the QST article, second column is measurment average of the 6 antennas built (all measured within a dB or so of each other), third column Amrad circuit with single J310 at 12 volts and fourth column single J310 at 24 volts.

 

Measured significantly higher IP2 than the original article leading me to believe there might have been a measurement error in the original article...or I got a batch of CP666s that were unusally good performers. The fact that the J310 at 12 volts achieved +50 dBM makes me lean toward possible measurement error in the original article.

 

Hope these columns stay lined up when passing through the reflector! 

 

 

                      Amrad article         W1VD built           J310 12volt       J310 24 volt
                       
 
1 dB comp.    +25 dBm                +25 dBm            +17 dBm            +18 dBm
 
IP2                +53 dBm*              +60 dBm             +50 dBm           +60 dBm
 
IP3                +37 dBm                +36 dBm             +32 dBm           +32 dBm

 

Gain              -16.7 dB                 -16.5 dB               -10 dB              -10 dB

 

* possible measurement error

 

Jay, W1VD

 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:27:39 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4gN0-0006rw-Dw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:27:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4gN0-0006pN-90 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:27:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4gMG-0004lL-8u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:26:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4gMF-0004lC-Lv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:26:51 +0000 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4h4a-0002nc-Ns for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:12:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 58650 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 15:26:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.141.58 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 Feb 2006 15:26:48 -0000 Message-ID: <002601c6280d$1909db00$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002101c627f2$03b06aa0$b2ccfc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:24:29 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: COILS Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Mal thanks for that !! I had a feeling that somewhere I had heard that "proper" Litz was "bundled" in powers of 3 ...i.e 27, 81, 243, 729.........The Rugby GBR coils were 6561 strand, and about as thick as your wrist.
Cheers de Alan G3NYK
 
The litz wire on the larger loading coils, of which I have two is much better because of the plastic insulation. It has 729 strands if you count them !!
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:44:22 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4gd6-0007YC-Sb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:44:21 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4gd5-0007Wr-VS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:44:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4gce-0004we-HT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:43:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4gcd-0004wV-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:43:47 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([204.127.192.84]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4hKo-0002yg-Hz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:29:38 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter08.comcast.net ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060202154329m14005b9vge>; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:43:29 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter08.comcast.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:43:28 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "Alan Melia" Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:43:28 +0000 Message-Id: <020220061543.6094.43E228A000001EFD000017CE22007507840B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: COILS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Mal, Alan, Thanks for the information on the Decca tank circuit Litz. I have a feeling that the cotton insulation absorbed a lot of moisture and that is what caused it to flash over. I have completely rewound the transformer using teflon covered wire, I hope that is sufficient! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Alan Melia" > Hi Mal thanks for that !! I had a feeling that somewhere I had heard that > "proper" Litz was "bundled" in powers of 3 ...i.e 27, 81, 243, 729.........The > Rugby GBR coils were 6561 strand, and about as thick as your wrist. > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > The litz wire on the larger loading coils, of which I have two is much better > because of the plastic insulation. It has 729 strands if you count them !! > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:35:01 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4hQB-0002Hm-RZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:35:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4hQB-0002F8-J3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:34:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4hPM-0005Jl-UH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:34:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4hPM-0005Jc-HL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:34:08 +0000 Received: from post-23.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.193]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4i7j-0003O1-76 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:20:00 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:12428 helo=pcroelof) by post-23.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4hPK-000Ixe-LO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:34:06 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c62816$793c8a00$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000201c627fa$e6299570$e6a4c593@RD40002> <001b01c62802$9941a6a0$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:34:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: Re: RE: Re: J310 IMD figures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello Jay, Jim, LF-group, I used the same measurement setup. The buffer amplifier of the mini-whip has a loss of 4 dB. This has of course implications for the input intercept points. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:49:56 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4hea-0000KA-Qk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:49:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4hea-0000IF-FN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:49:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4heI-0005V7-V5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:49:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4heI-0005Uy-Gi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:49:34 +0000 Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.85]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4iMe-0003Vb-AR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:35:26 +0000 Received: from fwd28.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F4hdH-0000ZA-00; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:48:31 +0100 Received: from dl4eau (bHL04iZeoehm1wA3kLtcJB6s1yIUAKWj2vouXQgMTO1b030s-Scx8-@[217.245.119.186]) by fwd28.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1F4hd2-1dbZQ00; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:48:16 +0100 From: "Thomas Eckart" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:48:05 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-reply-to: <000701c627ec$09093000$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> Importance: Normal X-ID: bHL04iZeoehm1wA3kLtcJB6s1yIUAKWj2vouXQgMTO1b030s-Scx8- X-TOI-MSGID: d98c5de5-5347-4528-94c8-b83ad61b428f Subject: LF: AW: TA 2 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Jay, hi LF group, a good quality off LF-equipment is shown in TA tests. My equipment has no good quality! :-)) It fails in the early morning. The rectifier in the power supply was blown up! So I stop the test about 3:50h utc. After remove, all is running well! But at the moment no TA test again. I have to improve the quality!!! :-) But I'm happy that I saw a little bit of me at Jay's. 73' Tom JO51DR -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Im Auftrag von Jay Rusgrove Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. Februar 2006 12:30 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: TA 2 FEB 06 What started out as a small storm over the Gulf coast in the afternoon turned into major Tstorms overnight. Copy difficult at best with CT1DRP making it through but not O copy until a late 0200Z. Slight traces of DF6NM and DL4EAU early then nothing from them the rest of the night. Both probably would have been good copy on a quiet night. http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html Jay, W1VD...hoping winter returns to the US soon... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:42:42 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4iTa-0000yt-Ny for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:42:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4iTZ-0000yC-On for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:42:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4iSq-0005kJ-Pk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:41:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4iSq-0005kA-4a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:41:48 +0000 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4jBD-0003qx-4j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:27:41 +0000 Received: from fwd30.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F4iSn-0007i6-03; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:41:45 +0100 Received: from HW1 (Sx2N3wZO8eRBGyX5Wm9wvv7mVEtZ+L-x40f7rz9GggY3GBXJyD38o8@[84.133.116.10]) by fwd30.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F4iSj-02WjsO0; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:41:41 +0100 Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:41:38 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1995429240.20060202184138@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: Sx2N3wZO8eRBGyX5Wm9wvv7mVEtZ+L-x40f7rz9GggY3GBXJyD38o8 X-TOI-MSGID: 60280440-4fdd-456f-8c8c-4fbef2102ba0 Subject: LF: TA Feb, 1st/2nd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) High noise level here last night and only poor signal of VO1NA. Best signal level about 00:00-00:30. Weak copy about 05:00-05:30, too. On the WD2XKO signal appeared a lot of fading. Strong signal period about 04:10-05:20. Good all night copy of WD2XES in WOLF mode on 137.577 kHz. Best about 04:00 below. Captures: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut t: 24 f:-0.012 a: 1.4 dp:126.7 ci: 0 cj: 0 34N5F *93KLLBMX ? t: 48 f:-0.007 a: 1.0 dp:126.2 ci: 9 cj: 50 7.KVW*PCB E6XOK ? t: 96 f:-0.007 a: 0.8 dp:123.6 ci: 9 cj: 50 FR6Y YCZXM4O??? ? t: 192 f: 0.000 pm: 3886 jm:860 q: -5.9 -4.7 WD2XES 137.577 - t: 288 f: 0.000 pm: 6933 jm:860 q: -3.6 -3.0 WD2XES 137.577 - t: 384 f: 0.000 pm:10529 jm:860 q: -2.2 -1.8 WD2XES 137.577 - t: 480 f: 0.000 pm:13176 jm:860 q: -1.6 -0.9 WD2XES 137.577 - t: 576 f: 0.000 pm:16151 jm:860 q: -0.8 -0.4 WD2XES 137.577 - t: 672 f: 0.000 pm:17319 jm:860 q: -0.4 0.2 WD2XES 137.577 - t: 768 f: 0.000 pm:18865 jm:860 q: 0.1 0.6 WD2XES 137.577 - t: 864 f: 0.000 pm:19673 jm:860 q: 0.2 1.0 WD2XES 137.577 - t: 960 f: 0.000 pm:20955 jm:860 q: 0.7 1.5 WD2XES 137.577 - t:1056 f: 0.000 pm:21293 jm:860 q: 1.3 2.0 WD2XES 137.577 - t:1152 f: 0.000 pm:21923 jm:860 q: 1.3 1.7 WD2XES 137.577 - t:1248 f: 0.000 pm:22687 jm:860 q: 1.4 1.9 WD2XES 137.577 - t:1344 f: 0.000 pm:23445 jm:860 q: 1.6 1.9 WD2XES 137.577 - t:1440 f: 0.000 pm:24666 jm:860 q: 1.6 2.0 WD2XES 137.577 - t:1536 f: 0.000 pm:25026 jm:860 q: 1.6 2.1 WD2XES 137.577 - t:1632 f: 0.000 pm:27621 jm:860 q: 1.5 2.1 WD2XES 137.577 - t:1728 f: 0.000 pm:29870 jm:860 q: 1.6 1.8 WD2XES 137.577 - t:1824 f: 0.000 pm:31798 jm:860 q: 1.8 1.6 WD2XES 137.577 - t:1920 f: 0.000 pm:33611 jm:860 q: 1.7 1.3 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2016 f: 0.000 pm:34506 jm:860 q: 1.7 1.4 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2112 f: 0.000 pm:34877 jm:860 q: 1.8 1.4 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2208 f: 0.000 pm:35901 jm:860 q: 1.9 1.3 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2304 f: 0.000 pm:36949 jm:860 q: 1.9 1.3 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2400 f: 0.000 pm:37309 jm:860 q: 1.7 1.1 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2496 f: 0.000 pm:37988 jm:860 q: 2.2 1.8 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2592 f: 0.000 pm:38038 jm:860 q: 1.9 1.5 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2688 f: 0.000 pm:38755 jm:860 q: 1.9 1.2 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2784 f: 0.000 pm:38842 jm:860 q: 1.8 1.1 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2880 f: 0.000 pm:39061 jm:860 q: 1.7 0.9 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2976 f: 0.000 pm:39116 jm:860 q: 1.7 0.8 WD2XES 137.577 - t:3072 f: 0.000 pm:39749 jm:860 q: 1.6 0.6 WD2XES 137.577 - t:3168 f: 0.000 pm:39988 jm:860 q: 1.4 0.4 WD2XES 137.577 - From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:37:32 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4jKk-0001e6-GW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:37:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4jKk-0001dt-CK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:37:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4jKD-0005tK-H5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:36:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4jKC-0005tB-Qz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:36:57 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([63.240.77.83]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4k2Z-0004NE-4n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:22:50 +0000 Received: from AIRPORTTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2006020218363401300pobg1e>; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:36:39 +0000 Message-ID: <002401c62829$f19b6120$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 13:53:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: TA tonight Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Big static generator remains over SE US but will continue to monitor TA window.  
 
 
Jay, W1VD
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:41:29 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4jOZ-00022f-Oi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:41:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4jOZ-00021x-Ei for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:41:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4jOO-0005z9-Db for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:41:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4jOO-0005z0-0p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:41:16 +0000 Received: from smtpout0138.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.138] helo=n064.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4kiS-0002tV-8n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:06:19 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.102) by n064.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43C54F51002783B0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:40:18 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c62828$19345220$66e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000201c627fa$e6299570$e6a4c593@RD40002> <001b01c62802$9941a6a0$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> <000501c62816$793c8a00$2201a8c0@pcroelof> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:36:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: J310 IMD figures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roelof Bakker" To: Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:34 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: RE: Re: J310 IMD figures > Hello Jay, Jim, LF-group, > > I used the same measurement setup. > The buffer amplifier of the mini-whip has a loss of 4 dB. > This has of course implications for the input intercept points. > > Best regards, > > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt Hi Roelof Your antenna sounds interesting and could be useful under certain environmential condx , urban areas with lots of noise but in my case it would be hard to beat my vertical out in the countryside, however if you send me one of these antennas I will try it out at various heights and let you know the results. 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:42:10 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4jPE-0005c8-1U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:42:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4jPC-0005Uz-KX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:42:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4jOx-00060I-QI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:41:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4jOx-000609-CT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:41:51 +0000 Received: from smtpout0139.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.139] helo=n064.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4k7K-0004Qx-Hb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:27:45 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.102) by n064.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43C54F510027840B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:41:01 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c62828$32e7e920$66e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru> <486075040.20060202130106@dx.ru> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:39:08 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: Re: HF2LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Lesnichy" To: Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 10:01 AM Subject: LF: HF2LF > Dear LF enthusiasts, > > TNX by all for the comments and advice! > > 1. Alex RA9MB wrote abt 2-nd and 3-rd order nonlinear transformations > in the ionosphere: > 14350 - 14213=137 kHz - 2-nd order > > 28137 - 2*14000=137 kHz - 3-rd (TX1 28137, TX2 14000) > 2*3568 - 7000=137 kHz - 3-rd (TX1 3568, TX2 7000) > 2*1900 - 3663=137 kHz - 3-rd (TX1 1900, TX2 3663) - the best variant in > Alex's opinion for HF2LF experiment > > Luxembourg effect (nonlinear transformations in the ionosphere) is > 3-rd order nonlinear transformations (?) > > 2. Alex RA9MB wrote abt better variant HF2LF: > 2*881.5 - 1900=137 kHz (for example TX1 1900, TX2 - broadcasting on > 881.5 near my QTH or near RX QTH???) > If I'll TX in a range 1810....2000 (160m amateur band), the broadcasting station > should be TX in a range 836.5....931.5 kHz > ...but probably my TX 100W Output can be a little (???) > > 3. Some LF enthusiasts have become interested to watch for mine HF2LF > QRSS beacon on the opposite pond of the Atlantic ocean. > i.e. in range 136.317...320 > How is this freqs clear in Europe? Hi Ed The freq looks fine at my QTH and I will listen for your signal. I will also look for you on 136.6 khz on CW for another qso de Mal/G3KEV > > 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru http://136.73.ru > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:52:49 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4jZX-0005OO-Jj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:52:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4jZX-0005NA-AU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:52:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4jZ1-0006BR-T7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:52:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4jZ1-0006BI-9P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:52:15 +0000 Received: from smtp5-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.35]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4kHO-0004YM-Vw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 19:38:09 +0000 Received: from hatshepsout.terrier (nas-cbv-9-62-147-112-19.dial.proxad.net [62.147.112.19]) by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECC7F17FA8 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:51:37 +0100 (CET) Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:50:17 +0100 From: Michel F5WK X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.64.01 Christmas Edition) Home Organization: mTerrier X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <667829004.20060202195017@mTerrier.net> To: John Andrews In-Reply-To: <43E0DD32.3020907@w1tag.com> References: <43E0DD32.3020907@w1tag.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: XES WOLF Again Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070009030302010005020907" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070009030302010005020907 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Le mercredi 1 février 2006 ŕ 17:09:22, w1tag@w1tag.com a écrit: > WD2XES will run WOLF (10) tonight on 137.577 kHz. Reports are always > welcome. Start time should be around 2300 UTC. > John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES > WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com Hi John, The attached text file contains all what was received, I mean no text editing. Hope it is usefull. Btw, many thanks for your very nice QSL you sent me for my first report. 73 / Michel f5wk -- The Bat 3.64.01 --------------070009030302010005020907 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=windows-1252; name="wolflog.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="wolflog.txt" t:1632 f: 0.664 pm:41329 jm:877 q: -8.6 -8.7 LS3EERGVW9D1D1E ? t:1728 f: 0.664 pm:42505 jm:877 q: -8.5 -8.8 LS3EERGVW9D1D1E ? t:1824 f: 0.664 pm:43094 jm:877 q: -8.2 -8.7 LS3EERGVW9D1D1E ? t:1920 f: 0.664 pm:44563 jm:877 q: -8.2 -8.7 LS3EERGVW9D1D1E ? t:2016 f:-0.615 pm:52230 jm: 59 q: -1.4 -5.2 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2112 f:-0.615 pm:55547 jm: 59 q: -0.9 -4.3 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2208 f:-0.615 pm:57017 jm: 59 q: -0.4 -3.5 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2304 f:-0.615 pm:59974 jm: 59 q: 0.0 -3.3 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2400 f:-0.615 pm:63151 jm: 59 q: 0.2 -3.3 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2496 f:-0.615 pm:64535 jm: 59 q: 0.3 -3.1 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2592 f:-0.615 pm:66619 jm: 59 q: 0.4 -3.1 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2688 f:-0.615 pm:68000 jm: 59 q: 0.6 -3.1 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2784 f:-0.615 pm:70805 jm: 59 q: 0.8 -2.8 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2880 f:-0.615 pm:72385 jm: 59 q: 1.0 -2.9 WD2XES 137.577 - t:2976 f:-0.615 pm:72531 jm: 59 q: 1.1 -3.0 WD2XES 137.577 - t:3072 f:-0.615 pm:72856 jm: 59 q: 1.1 -3.0 WD2XES 137.577 - t:3168 f:-0.615 pm:73172 jm: 59 q: 1.2 -3.0 WD2XES 137.577 - 2006-02-02 00:29:56 >WOLF10 -r 11025 -f 700 -t 1 -w 0.0000 t: 24 f: 0.692 a:-0.7 dp:135.2 ci:13 cj:331 T44TM5/FE.7*BS4 ? 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Start time should be before 2300 UTC. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES WD2XES status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:56:39 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4lVO-0004O4-5P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:56:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4lVN-0004MX-T6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:56:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4lUt-0006d6-Ie for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:56:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4lUt-0006cx-7L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 20:56:07 +0000 Received: from imo-m26.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.7]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4moz-0004HA-LG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:21:12 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id l.f5.622884f9 (48576) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:55:41 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 15:55:41 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: TA tonight Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Jay, Tom and all,

oooh that sure looks loud! Seems LF is all a matter of luck: propagation, noise, arcing... and rectifiers - blew up mine as well during one of the first beaconing sessions. But good fun anyhow. Will continue as planned, 0.15 Hz HELL around 136318.5 tonight.

73, and thanks for looking

Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 02.02.2006 19:37:35 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt JRusgrove@comcast.net:

Big static generator remains over SE US but will continue to monitor TA window. 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:10:54 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4ljB-0005TK-EI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:10:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4ljB-0005Qd-AI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:10:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4lig-0006k7-Fo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:10:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4lig-0006jy-4Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:10:22 +0000 Received: from post-25.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4n2l-0004fU-UB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:35:28 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:12524 helo=pcroelof) by post-25.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4lhC-000Clk-A2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:08:50 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c6283c$da3c1fc0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000201c627fa$e6299570$e6a4c593@RD40002> <001b01c62802$9941a6a0$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> <000501c62816$793c8a00$2201a8c0@pcroelof> <001201c62828$19345220$66e8fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:08:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: Re: J310 IMD figures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello Mal, Thank you for your kind offer. However I have already run an extensive series of tests in the countryside with a battery operated SLM. The outcome is that more height gives ( much) more signal, but unless the antenna is shielded by nearby bushes, the signal to noise ratio does not change. So nothing is gained with added height. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:48:43 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4mJl-0007Tv-Cl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:48:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4mJl-0007Rt-2G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:48:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4mJM-0006sh-GD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:48:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4mJM-0006sY-1H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:48:16 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([204.127.192.84]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4ndT-00054O-9P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:13:22 +0000 Received: from AIRPORTTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060202214753m1400566s6e>; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:47:53 +0000 Message-ID: <002901c62844$a7f3d5a0$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:04:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: Re: LF: TA tonight Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Markus
 
Will switch to QRSS60 tonight. Good luck!
 
Jay
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: LF: TA tonight

Hi Jay, Tom and all,

oooh that sure looks loud! Seems LF is all a matter of luck: propagation, noise, arcing... and rectifiers - blew up mine as well during one of the first beaconing sessions. But good fun anyhow. Will continue as planned, 0.15 Hz HELL around 136318.5 tonight.

73, and thanks for looking

Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 02.02.2006 19:37:35 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt JRusgrove@comcast.net:

Big static generator remains over SE US but will continue to monitor TA window. 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:28:18 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4mw5-0001ed-VD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:28:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4mw5-0001dx-Oj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:28:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4mvO-00072d-LU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:27:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4mvN-00072U-Vd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:27:34 +0000 Received: from omc3-s33.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.249.107]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4ndq-000683-JP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:13:33 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.106]) by omc3-s33.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:27:05 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:27:05 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.37.244.7 by BAY5-DAV2.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:27:01 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.37.244.7] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <020120060225.29276.43E01C11000B4FD10000725C22064244130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> <00d101c62727$eff29c60$0b01a8c0@server> <016601c627f0$c496f6a0$0b01a8c0@server> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:27:00 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:27:00 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2006 22:27:05.0471 (UTC) FILETIME=[CBDD60F0:01C62847] Subject: LF: Re: Tubing Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi JB,
Sounds like poly fish tank air tubing. That should be easy to find and inexpensive. I am sure it will increase the resistance to arcing quite a bit. Certainly cheep insurance against damaging the transformer cores. Thanks for the info. I'll use that tubing on my transformer to be safe.
 
Mike
WE0H
----- Original Message -----
From: J. B. Weazle McCreath
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 6:03 AM
Subject: LF: Re: Tubing

Hi Mike,
 
I'm not sure what it is, but poly would seem a logical likely material.
I like the idea of vaseline that someone suggested, and I'll have to
give that a try with the teflon insulated wire inside the tube.  Oops,
almost forgot to say that the tubing is clear.
 
73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
EN93dr
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:42:33 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4n9r-0004rG-4b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:42:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4n9q-0004qv-Kw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:42:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4n9c-0007As-0Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:42:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4n9b-0007Aj-Jn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:42:15 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.152]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4ns3-0006CI-R1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:28:14 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter05.comcast.net ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060202224127m12007hth2e>; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:41:28 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter05.comcast.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:41:26 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb lf reflector Cc: LWCA LF Reflector Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:41:26 +0000 Message-Id: <020220062241.29124.43E28A95000E876A000071C422007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: LF: Keeping the smoke in X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello the list, I've heard that the secret to keeping things going in electronics is to make sure you don't let the smoke out (that's what makes it all work apparently). I have again failed to do so. After rewinding my toroidal loop transformer in the ATU, I had a core overheating problem. The core is 3 stacked FT-290-77 ferrites. After setting the Decca up on QRSS for an hour or so I noticed a problem with the rf output current, it was pulsing up and down as if the Decca guard circuit was cutting in to protect the PA. So I through the breaker and went out and opened the tuner box. Smoke poured out. Bad news. I checked the temperatures with a non-contact infra-red thermometer and the toroid core was 343 Farenheit. The Curie temperature for type 77 ferrite is 200 C (which is 392 Farenheit). Not sure yet if the core is permanently damaged, I'm still waiting for it to cool down. All credit to Laurence who managed to get a loop to work at this power level! And especially with the currents he dealt with in the parallel wire loop configuration. I guess I need a bigger core than the 3 stacked FT-290-77s any suggestions out there? -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:49:43 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4nGn-00076V-Hd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:49:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4nGn-00075t-9x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:49:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4nGY-0007Gy-9R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:49:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4nGX-0007Gp-KX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:49:25 +0000 Received: from omc2-s32.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.249.42]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4nz1-0006EV-M7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:35:25 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.112]) by omc2-s32.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:49:15 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 14:49:15 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.37.244.7 by BAY5-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:49:12 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.37.244.7] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <020220062241.29124.43E28A95000E876A000071C422007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:49:12 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:49:12 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 02 Feb 2006 22:49:15.0551 (UTC) FILETIME=[E4A77AF0:01C6284A] Subject: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
What cores did Laurence use and what wire size & type? Sorry to hear she failed again. Maybe the cores got damaged the other day with no external indications like cracking or? I don't recall you having trouble with the transformer when it was dry and Teflon is way better than cotton so that leads me to think the cores were no good after the first heat cycle/failure.
 
Mike
WE0H
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:41 PM
Subject: LF: Keeping the smoke in

Hello the list,

      I've heard that the secret to keeping things going in electronics is to make sure you don't let the smoke out (that's what makes it all work apparently).

     I have again failed to do so. After rewinding my toroidal loop transformer in the ATU, I had a core overheating problem. The core is 3 stacked FT-290-77 ferrites.
After setting the Decca up on QRSS for an hour or so I noticed a problem with the rf output current, it was pulsing up and down as if the Decca guard circuit was cutting in to protect the PA. So I through the breaker and went out and opened the tuner box. Smoke poured out. Bad news. I checked the temperatures with a non-contact infra-red thermometer and the toroid core was 343 Farenheit. The Curie temperature for type 77 ferrite is 200 C (which is 392 Farenheit).  Not sure yet if the core is permanently damaged, I'm still waiting for it to cool down.

     All credit to Laurence who managed to get a loop to work at this power level! And especially with the currents he dealt with in the parallel wire loop configuration.

    I guess I need a bigger core than the 3 stacked FT-290-77s any suggestions out there?

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:53:13 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4nKB-0001oY-GF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:53:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4nKB-0001o8-BR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:53:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4nJy-0007MP-Am for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:52:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4nJx-0007MG-W9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:52:57 +0000 Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.6]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4oe6-0005bd-CI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:18:05 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id l.d9.364d730c (48576) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:52:34 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:52:34 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: Keeping the smoke in Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Warren,

any chance to use a higher number of turns? Core loss should go down at least proportional to their inverse square, hysteresis losses even with inverse cube .

73 de Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 02.02.2006 23:42:46 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt k2ors@comcast.net:

I guess I need a bigger core than the 3 stacked FT-290-77s any suggestions out there?

 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:07:39 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4nY8-0003qS-5x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:07:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4nY6-0003px-LY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:07:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4nXo-0007Tv-TJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:07:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4nXo-0007Tm-B6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:07:16 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([204.127.192.84]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4oGH-0006IX-UP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:53:16 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter05.comcast.net ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060202230629m140057s6de>; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:06:29 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter05.comcast.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:06:28 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:06:28 +0000 Message-Id: <020220062306.16615.43E290740007AB04000040E722007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Keeping the smoke in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Markus, Thanks for the suggestion. I am currently using 16 turns of #10 wire for the 50 ohm side and 3 turns of rubber insulated 16 mm2 wire for the low impedance loop side. I would have to use smaller diameter wire or a larger diameter core to fit more turns in. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: MarkusVester@aol.com > Warren, > > any chance to use a higher number of turns? Core loss should go down at least > proportional to their inverse square, hysteresis losses even with inverse > cube . > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM > > > In einer eMail vom 02.02.2006 23:42:46 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt > k2ors@comcast.net: > > > I guess I need a bigger core than the 3 stacked FT-290-77s any suggestions > > out there? > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:10:55 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4nbK-0004F9-De for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:10:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4nbK-0004Eq-76 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:10:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4nbD-0007aQ-FK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:10:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4nbC-0007aH-W1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:10:46 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4ovH-0005kz-Ao for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:35:54 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter05.comcast.net ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060202231020m12007it0re>; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 23:10:20 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter05.comcast.net; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:10:18 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:10:18 +0000 Message-Id: <020220062310.23359.43E2915A00063CBB00005B3F22007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Mike, I don't think that the cores were damaged from the last incident. I was able to run the 250 watt transmitter through it with no problem and no measureable reflected power. I understand that Laurence also used 3 stacked FT-290-77s but actively cooled it. A cooling fan is not easy to do in my case since the tuner is in a weathertight box. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "MIKE REID" > What cores did Laurence use and what wire size & type? Sorry to hear she failed > again. Maybe the cores got damaged the other day with no external indications > like cracking or? I don't recall you having trouble with the transformer when it > was dry and Teflon is way better than cotton so that leads me to think the cores > were no good after the first heat cycle/failure. > > Mike > WE0H > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > To: rsgb lf reflector > Cc: LWCA LF Reflector > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:41 PM > Subject: LF: Keeping the smoke in > > > Hello the list, > > I've heard that the secret to keeping things going in electronics is to > make sure you don't let the smoke out (that's what makes it all work > apparently). > > I have again failed to do so. After rewinding my toroidal loop > transformer in the ATU, I had a core overheating problem. The core is 3 stacked > FT-290-77 ferrites. > After setting the Decca up on QRSS for an hour or so I noticed a problem with > the rf output current, it was pulsing up and down as if the Decca guard circuit > was cutting in to protect the PA. So I through the breaker and went out and > opened the tuner box. Smoke poured out. Bad news. I checked the temperatures > with a non-contact infra-red thermometer and the toroid core was 343 Farenheit. > The Curie temperature for type 77 ferrite is 200 C (which is 392 Farenheit). > Not sure yet if the core is permanently damaged, I'm still waiting for it to > cool down. > > All credit to Laurence who managed to get a loop to work at this power > level! And especially with the currents he dealt with in the parallel wire loop > configuration. > > I guess I need a bigger core than the 3 stacked FT-290-77s any suggestions > out there? > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:42:18 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4o5g-0004jL-W7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:42:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4o5g-0004j2-RR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:42:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4o55-0007kW-Li for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:41:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4o55-0007kN-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:41:39 +0000 Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.42]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4pPA-0005xk-4o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:06:47 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([141.156.184.182]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IU3009MI34LKFC0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 17:41:14 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 18:40:40 -0500 From: Andre Kesteloot To: rsgb_lf_group Message-id: <43E29878.1050803@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax;nscd1) Subject: LF: Antenna and Propagation Manual Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Gang,

I have always liked US Navy Manuals. Here is, IMHO, a good example.

	http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/navy/nrtc/14092.pdf


73
André N4ICK
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:45:40 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4p4y-0004mt-TT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:45:40 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4p4y-0004eL-OV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:45:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4p3z-0007wT-La for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:44:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4p3z-0007wK-6w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 00:44:35 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.55] helo=priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4qO6-0006e8-47 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:09:44 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060203004409.JQGA1229.priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:44:09 -0700 Message-ID: <000d01c6285b$200b8a40$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <020220062241.29124.43E28A95000E876A000071C422007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 16:45:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Contact G0MRF and get some of those big honk'n 58mm 3C90 toroid ( Suitable for tx matching transformer or antenna matching to 800W) Ł7.80 - Back in stock from 7/Jan/04 We use these and they rock. 73 Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" To: "rsgb lf reflector" Cc: "LWCA LF Reflector" Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:41 PM Subject: LF: Keeping the smoke in > Hello the list, > > I've heard that the secret to keeping things going in electronics is to make sure you don't let the smoke out (that's what makes it all work apparently). > > I have again failed to do so. After rewinding my toroidal loop transformer in the ATU, I had a core overheating problem. The core is 3 stacked FT-290-77 ferrites. > After setting the Decca up on QRSS for an hour or so I noticed a problem with the rf output current, it was pulsing up and down as if the Decca guard circuit was cutting in to protect the PA. So I through the breaker and went out and opened the tuner box. Smoke poured out. Bad news. I checked the temperatures with a non-contact infra-red thermometer and the toroid core was 343 Farenheit. The Curie temperature for type 77 ferrite is 200 C (which is 392 Farenheit). Not sure yet if the core is permanently damaged, I'm still waiting for it to cool down. > > All credit to Laurence who managed to get a loop to work at this power level! And especially with the currents he dealt with in the parallel wire loop configuration. > > I guess I need a bigger core than the 3 stacked FT-290-77s any suggestions out there? > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:03:49 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4pMZ-0003LH-E0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:03:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4pMZ-0003Kt-9J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:03:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4pMJ-000851-M6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:03:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4pMJ-00084s-9g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:03:31 +0000 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4qgP-0006ok-MZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:28:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 4962 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 01:03:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.22.243 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 01:03:10 -0000 Message-ID: <002501c6285d$9a201060$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43E29878.1050803@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:59:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: Antenna and Propagation Manual Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Thanks Andre, I tried to save it to a different name and it wasn't happy, but seemed to download to its default name...I will have to rename it later, I collect "design ideas " from EDN and have a veritable load of file names starting with 6 numbers. Fortunately those have an "di" at the end and the numbers are a date. I think someone somewhere must have written some code to look inside PDFs and dig out the title....wish I know where to find it !!
 
Cheers de Alan G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 02 February 2006 23:40
Subject: LF: Antenna and Propagation Manual

Gang,

I have always liked US Navy Manuals. Here is, IMHO, a good example.

	http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/navy/nrtc/14092.pdf


73
André N4ICK
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:03:50 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4pMb-0003ws-0O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:03:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4pMa-0003wd-Q7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:03:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4pMI-00084o-KY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:03:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4pMH-00084f-VQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:03:29 +0000 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4qgO-0006og-7O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:28:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 4955 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 01:03:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.22.243 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 01:03:08 -0000 Message-ID: <002401c6285d$99138260$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <020220062310.23359.43E2915A00063CBB00005B3F22007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 00:54:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Warren, an excursion to high temperature should not affect the ferrite as this is sintered at quite high temperatures to make the ring. What might suffer is the epoxy (usually) coating which may burn up and created a lossy shorted turn (guess, I have no experience of this) A quick solution might be to bung it in a beaker of cooking oil !! That will act as insulation as well !! Just think you could be the first station with an oil cooled antenna transformer !! Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: Sent: 02 February 2006 23:10 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in > Hi Mike, > > I don't think that the cores were damaged from the last incident. I was able to run the 250 watt transmitter through it with no problem and no measureable reflected power. I understand that Laurence also used 3 stacked FT-290-77s but actively cooled it. A cooling fan is not easy to do in my case since the tuner is in a weathertight box. > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > From: "MIKE REID" > > What cores did Laurence use and what wire size & type? Sorry to hear she failed > > again. Maybe the cores got damaged the other day with no external indications > > like cracking or? I don't recall you having trouble with the transformer when it > > was dry and Teflon is way better than cotton so that leads me to think the cores > > were no good after the first heat cycle/failure. > > > > Mike > > WE0H > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > To: rsgb lf reflector > > Cc: LWCA LF Reflector > > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:41 PM > > Subject: LF: Keeping the smoke in > > > > > > Hello the list, > > > > I've heard that the secret to keeping things going in electronics is to > > make sure you don't let the smoke out (that's what makes it all work > > apparently). > > > > I have again failed to do so. After rewinding my toroidal loop > > transformer in the ATU, I had a core overheating problem. The core is 3 stacked > > FT-290-77 ferrites. > > After setting the Decca up on QRSS for an hour or so I noticed a problem with > > the rf output current, it was pulsing up and down as if the Decca guard circuit > > was cutting in to protect the PA. So I through the breaker and went out and > > opened the tuner box. Smoke poured out. Bad news. I checked the temperatures > > with a non-contact infra-red thermometer and the toroid core was 343 Farenheit. > > The Curie temperature for type 77 ferrite is 200 C (which is 392 Farenheit). > > Not sure yet if the core is permanently damaged, I'm still waiting for it to > > cool down. > > > > All credit to Laurence who managed to get a loop to work at this power > > level! And especially with the currents he dealt with in the parallel wire loop > > configuration. > > > > I guess I need a bigger core than the 3 stacked FT-290-77s any suggestions > > out there? > > > > -- > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > FN42hi > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:07:23 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4pQ1-0003LA-6b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:07:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4pQ0-0003Ig-VQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:07:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4pPp-0008Ea-Qb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:07:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4pPp-0008ER-Bh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:07:09 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.152]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4q8M-0006zx-LW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:53:11 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter05.comcast.net ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060203010701m12007bv09e>; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:07:01 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter05.comcast.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:06:56 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:06:56 +0000 Message-Id: <020320060106.3108.43E2ACB00009174D00000C2422007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Scott, The 58 mm 3C90 has smilar permeability to the type 77 I am using but 58 mm is considerably smaller than the 3" cores I am now using. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Scott Tilley" > Contact G0MRF and get some of those big honk'n 58mm 3C90 toroid ( Suitable > for tx matching transformer or antenna matching to 800W) > Ł7.80 - Back in stock from 7/Jan/04 > > We use these and they rock. > > 73 Scott > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" > To: "rsgb lf reflector" > Cc: "LWCA LF Reflector" > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:41 PM > Subject: LF: Keeping the smoke in > > > > Hello the list, > > > > I've heard that the secret to keeping things going in electronics is > to make sure you don't let the smoke out (that's what makes it all work > apparently). > > > > I have again failed to do so. After rewinding my toroidal loop > transformer in the ATU, I had a core overheating problem. The core is 3 > stacked FT-290-77 ferrites. > > After setting the Decca up on QRSS for an hour or so I noticed a problem > with the rf output current, it was pulsing up and down as if the Decca guard > circuit was cutting in to protect the PA. So I through the breaker and went > out and opened the tuner box. Smoke poured out. Bad news. I checked the > temperatures with a non-contact infra-red thermometer and the toroid core > was 343 Farenheit. The Curie temperature for type 77 ferrite is 200 C (which > is 392 Farenheit). Not sure yet if the core is permanently damaged, I'm > still waiting for it to cool down. > > > > All credit to Laurence who managed to get a loop to work at this > power level! And especially with the currents he dealt with in the parallel > wire loop configuration. > > > > I guess I need a bigger core than the 3 stacked FT-290-77s any > suggestions out there? > > > > -- > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > FN42hi > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:23:39 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4pfn-00056Q-3O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:23:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4pfm-00054M-SX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:23:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4pfS-0008N7-94 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:23:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4pfR-0008My-L1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:23:17 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([216.148.227.154]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4qNy-00076I-4k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:09:20 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter88.comcast.net ([204.127.197.188]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060203012231m14005b9ffe>; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:22:31 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter88.comcast.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:22:30 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "Alan Melia" Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:22:30 +0000 Message-Id: <020320060122.8083.43E2B0560003663A00001F9322092299270B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Alan, I will look at it tomorow as it was too hot to handle today! I don't know if the core is intact or has fractured as it is covered with fiberglass tape. The fiberglass tape has turned yellow from the heat! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Alan Melia" > Hi Warren, an excursion to high temperature should not affect the ferrite as > this is sintered at quite high temperatures to make the ring. What might > suffer is the epoxy (usually) coating which may burn up and created a lossy > shorted turn (guess, I have no experience of this) A quick solution might be > to bung it in a beaker of cooking oil !! That will act as insulation as well > !! > Just think you could be the first station with an oil cooled antenna > transformer !! > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > To: > Sent: 02 February 2006 23:10 > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > I don't think that the cores were damaged from the last incident. I was > able to run the 250 watt transmitter through it with no problem and no > measureable reflected power. I understand that Laurence also used 3 stacked > FT-290-77s but actively cooled it. A cooling fan is not easy to do in my > case since the tuner is in a weathertight box. > > > > -- > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > FN42hi > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > From: "MIKE REID" > > > What cores did Laurence use and what wire size & type? Sorry to hear she > failed > > > again. Maybe the cores got damaged the other day with no external > indications > > > like cracking or? I don't recall you having trouble with the transformer > when it > > > was dry and Teflon is way better than cotton so that leads me to think > the cores > > > were no good after the first heat cycle/failure. > > > > > > Mike > > > WE0H > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > > To: rsgb lf reflector > > > Cc: LWCA LF Reflector > > > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:41 PM > > > Subject: LF: Keeping the smoke in > > > > > > > > > Hello the list, > > > > > > I've heard that the secret to keeping things going in > electronics is to > > > make sure you don't let the smoke out (that's what makes it all work > > > apparently). > > > > > > I have again failed to do so. After rewinding my toroidal loop > > > transformer in the ATU, I had a core overheating problem. The core is 3 > stacked > > > FT-290-77 ferrites. > > > After setting the Decca up on QRSS for an hour or so I noticed a > problem with > > > the rf output current, it was pulsing up and down as if the Decca guard > circuit > > > was cutting in to protect the PA. So I through the breaker and went out > and > > > opened the tuner box. Smoke poured out. Bad news. I checked the > temperatures > > > with a non-contact infra-red thermometer and the toroid core was 343 > Farenheit. > > > The Curie temperature for type 77 ferrite is 200 C (which is 392 > Farenheit). > > > Not sure yet if the core is permanently damaged, I'm still waiting for > it to > > > cool down. > > > > > > All credit to Laurence who managed to get a loop to work at this > power > > > level! And especially with the currents he dealt with in the parallel > wire loop > > > configuration. > > > > > > I guess I need a bigger core than the 3 stacked FT-290-77s any > suggestions > > > out there? > > > > > > -- > > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > > FN42hi > > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:49:16 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4q4Z-0006lC-JF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:49:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4q4Z-0006kx-FN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:49:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4q40-0008WT-2u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:48:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4q3z-0008WK-LG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:48:39 +0000 Received: from bay102-f1.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.11] helo=hotmail.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4rO6-0007Bw-Ji for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:13:50 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 17:48:18 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:48:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.117.134] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <020220062310.23359.43E2915A00063CBB00005B3F22007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:48:18 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2006 01:48:18.0501 (UTC) FILETIME=[E7F38F50:01C62863] Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit No cooling fan Warren just open "ish" air circulation without it things got a little warm especially at 100F ambient in the summer....I love Okie... >From: k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in >Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:10:18 +0000 > >Hi Mike, > > I don't think that the cores were damaged from the last incident. I was >able to run the 250 watt transmitter through it with no problem and no >measureable reflected power. I understand that Laurence also used 3 stacked >FT-290-77s but actively cooled it. A cooling fan is not easy to do in my >case since the tuner is in a weathertight box. > >-- >73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ >FN42hi >http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: "MIKE REID" > > What cores did Laurence use and what wire size & type? Sorry to hear she >failed > > again. Maybe the cores got damaged the other day with no external >indications > > like cracking or? I don't recall you having trouble with the transformer >when it > > was dry and Teflon is way better than cotton so that leads me to think >the cores > > were no good after the first heat cycle/failure. > > > > Mike > > WE0H > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > To: rsgb lf reflector > > Cc: LWCA LF Reflector > > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:41 PM > > Subject: LF: Keeping the smoke in > > > > > > Hello the list, > > > > I've heard that the secret to keeping things going in >electronics is to > > make sure you don't let the smoke out (that's what makes it all work > > apparently). > > > > I have again failed to do so. After rewinding my toroidal loop > > transformer in the ATU, I had a core overheating problem. The core is 3 >stacked > > FT-290-77 ferrites. > > After setting the Decca up on QRSS for an hour or so I noticed a >problem with > > the rf output current, it was pulsing up and down as if the Decca guard >circuit > > was cutting in to protect the PA. So I through the breaker and went out >and > > opened the tuner box. Smoke poured out. Bad news. I checked the >temperatures > > with a non-contact infra-red thermometer and the toroid core was 343 >Farenheit. > > The Curie temperature for type 77 ferrite is 200 C (which is 392 >Farenheit). > > Not sure yet if the core is permanently damaged, I'm still waiting for >it to > > cool down. > > > > All credit to Laurence who managed to get a loop to work at this >power > > level! And especially with the currents he dealt with in the parallel >wire loop > > configuration. > > > > I guess I need a bigger core than the 3 stacked FT-290-77s any >suggestions > > out there? > > > > -- > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > FN42hi > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > > > > >From: "MIKE REID" >To: >Subject: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in >Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:50:50 +0000 ><< Multipart4 >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:54:19 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4q9T-0002Bo-5e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:54:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4q9S-0002Bb-W2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:54:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4q9I-0000AM-Bs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:54:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4q9H-0000AD-UJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:54:07 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4rTP-0007EU-09 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:19:18 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter05.comcast.net ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060203015341m13009cvjoe>; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 01:53:41 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter05.comcast.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:53:40 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:53:40 +0000 Message-Id: <020320060153.24772.43E2B7A400019564000060C422007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Laurence, I've thought about leaving the box open but I couldn't do that if there was precipitation of any kind. Also might be hazardous to the neighbor's kids - I haven't seen anyone get near it but it's a big chance to take. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Laurence KL1X" > No cooling fan Warren just open "ish" air circulation without it things > got a little warm especially at 100F ambient in the summer....I love Okie... > > > >From: k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) > >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in > >Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:10:18 +0000 > > > >Hi Mike, > > > > I don't think that the cores were damaged from the last incident. I was > >able to run the 250 watt transmitter through it with no problem and no > >measureable reflected power. I understand that Laurence also used 3 stacked > >FT-290-77s but actively cooled it. A cooling fan is not easy to do in my > >case since the tuner is in a weathertight box. > > > >-- > >73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > >FN42hi > >http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > >From: "MIKE REID" > > > What cores did Laurence use and what wire size & type? Sorry to hear she > >failed > > > again. Maybe the cores got damaged the other day with no external > >indications > > > like cracking or? I don't recall you having trouble with the transformer > >when it > > > was dry and Teflon is way better than cotton so that leads me to think > >the cores > > > were no good after the first heat cycle/failure. > > > > > > Mike > > > WE0H > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > > To: rsgb lf reflector > > > Cc: LWCA LF Reflector > > > Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 4:41 PM > > > Subject: LF: Keeping the smoke in > > > > > > > > > Hello the list, > > > > > > I've heard that the secret to keeping things going in > >electronics is to > > > make sure you don't let the smoke out (that's what makes it all work > > > apparently). > > > > > > I have again failed to do so. After rewinding my toroidal loop > > > transformer in the ATU, I had a core overheating problem. The core is 3 > >stacked > > > FT-290-77 ferrites. > > > After setting the Decca up on QRSS for an hour or so I noticed a > >problem with > > > the rf output current, it was pulsing up and down as if the Decca guard > >circuit > > > was cutting in to protect the PA. So I through the breaker and went out > >and > > > opened the tuner box. Smoke poured out. Bad news. I checked the > >temperatures > > > with a non-contact infra-red thermometer and the toroid core was 343 > >Farenheit. > > > The Curie temperature for type 77 ferrite is 200 C (which is 392 > >Farenheit). > > > Not sure yet if the core is permanently damaged, I'm still waiting for > >it to > > > cool down. > > > > > > All credit to Laurence who managed to get a loop to work at this > >power > > > level! And especially with the currents he dealt with in the parallel > >wire loop > > > configuration. > > > > > > I guess I need a bigger core than the 3 stacked FT-290-77s any > >suggestions > > > out there? > > > > > > -- > > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > > FN42hi > > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: "MIKE REID" > >To: > >Subject: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in > >Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:50:50 +0000 > ><< Multipart4 >> > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:07:49 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4qMV-0007WJ-Ot for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:07:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4qMV-0007VX-Jh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:07:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4qLy-0000IH-2v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:07:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4qLx-0000I8-JD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:07:13 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4r4W-0007OW-10 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:53:17 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1326Wh3000612 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:06:32 -0500 Received: from server (dial-26.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.26]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id k1326l5f029219 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:06:47 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01b701c62866$512b3840$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43E0DD32.3020907@w1tag.com> <667829004.20060202195017@mTerrier.net> <43E262B7.5020601@w1tag.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 02:04:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: Re: LF: XES WOLF Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 7:51 PM Subject: Re: LF: XES WOLF Again > WD2XES will run WOLF (10) again tonight on 137.577 kHz. Start time > should be before 2300 UTC. > > John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES > Hi John, LFers, Nice signals tonight and as you can see, a first line lock-up on your Wolf 10: 2006-02-03 00:38:45 >WOLF10 -r 8000 -f 577 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 t: 24 f: 0.444 a: 0.3 dp:112.2 ci:12 cj:430 XES NICE WOLFIE - t: 48 f: 0.444 a: 0.3 dp:112.5 ci:12 cj:430 XES NICE WOLFIE - t: 96 f: 0.444 a: 0.3 dp:111.4 ci:11 cj:430 XES NICE WOLFIE - t: 192 f: 0.449 pm: 1490 jm:100 q: 2.5 3.1 XES NICE WOLFIE - t: 288 f: 0.449 pm: 2293 jm:100 q: 5.4 5.0 XES NICE WOLFIE - t: 384 f: 0.449 pm: 3090 jm:100 q: 6.2 6.7 XES NICE WOLFIE - 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:10:27 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4qP5-0006UG-BP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:10:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4qP5-0006Tk-67 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:10:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4qOw-0000PA-JW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:10:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4qOw-0000P1-9K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:10:18 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.55] helo=priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4rj6-0007Mx-MU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:35:29 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060203020945.KOOF1229.priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 19:09:45 -0700 Message-ID: <005b01c62867$156ac860$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43E0DD32.3020907@w1tag.com> <667829004.20060202195017@mTerrier.net> <43E262B7.5020601@w1tag.com> <01b701c62866$512b3840$0b01a8c0@server> Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 18:11:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: XES WOLF Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) > t: 24 f: 0.444 a: 0.3 dp:112.2 ci:12 cj:430 XES NICE WOLFIE - John must be running out of messages for WOLF... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:12:40 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4qR9-0003Qy-Dp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:12:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4qR9-0003D3-8v for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:12:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4qQi-0000UF-Dw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:12:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4qQi-0000U6-1X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:12:08 +0000 Received: from smtpout10-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.238]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4r9G-0007RW-I3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:58:11 +0000 Received: (qmail 7720 invoked from network); 2 Feb 2006 19:41:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout10-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.238) with ESMTP; 02 Feb 2006 19:41:16 -0000 Message-ID: <43E26131.1090509@w1tag.com> Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 14:44:49 -0500 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43E0DD32.3020907@w1tag.com> <667829004.20060202195017@mTerrier.net> In-Reply-To: <667829004.20060202195017@mTerrier.net> Subject: Re: LF: XES WOLF Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Michel, Hartmut: Very nice WOLF copy from both of you. Thanks for the reports. Michel, it looks like you have everything set up correctly. Your computer's sampling rate must be close to the standard 11.025 kHz value -- you are fortunate. It appears that the best copy of the night was around 0200 UTC. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:23:42 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4qbs-0004oY-RL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:23:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4qbs-0004mn-N6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:23:40 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4qbT-0000ae-H8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:23:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4qbT-0000aV-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 02:23:15 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4rK1-0007Vz-WD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:09:19 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k132MPUV015395 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:22:25 -0500 Received: from server (dial-26.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.26]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id k132Me5f008305 for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 21:22:41 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <01e601c62868$87ee77a0$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <020220062310.23359.43E2915A00063CBB00005B3F22007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> <002401c6285d$99138260$67b0fea9@lark> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 02:21:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:54 AM Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in > Hi Warren, an excursion to high temperature should not affect the ferrite as > this is sintered at quite high temperatures to make the ring. What might > suffer is the epoxy (usually) coating which may burn up and created a lossy > shorted turn (guess, I have no experience of this) A quick solution might be > to bung it in a beaker of cooking oil! That will act as insulation as well!! > Just think you could be the first station with an oil cooled antenna > transformer !! > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK Warren, Alan, LFers, >From my own experience I wouldn't recommend cooking oil, as it will go rancid on you in short order, and does it ever stink! I've had good luck using mineral oil sold as a cattle laxative at any farm supply outlet like TSC Stores, Co-op, etc. 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:34:09 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4ri3-0007PC-S0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:34:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4ri3-0007Od-P0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:34:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4rhT-0000tK-74 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:33:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4rhS-0000tB-SV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:33:30 +0000 Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.6]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4t1e-0008Pp-Pq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 04:58:43 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id l.e0.247c2c3e (3866) for ; Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:33:01 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 22:33:01 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: More smoke... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi all,

DF6NM off air since 03:11. Its a foggy cold night, and the antenna was detuned by heavy hoar frost. Attempts to reduce it by a few minutes of max power (250W) CW transmission were successfull at first, but ultimately led to PA failure. One problem a transmit loop wouldn't have...

73 de Markus, DF6NM


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:39:54 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4rnd-0002ht-0i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:39:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4rnc-0002hQ-RY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:39:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4rnM-0000zj-6L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:39:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4rnL-0000za-O0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:39:35 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.192.82]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4t7U-0008Sd-Mg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 05:04:47 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter20.comcast.net ([204.127.197.130]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060203033910m12007g7rue>; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 03:39:10 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter20.comcast.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:39:09 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: MarkusVester@aol.com Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:39:09 +0000 Message-Id: <020320060339.26351.43E2D05C000A1A5D000066EF22069997350B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: More smoke... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Markus, Sorry to hear about your PA problem. It's frustrating to be off the air in the peak LF season! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: MarkusVester@aol.com > Hi all, > > DF6NM off air since 03:11. Its a foggy cold night, and the antenna was > detuned by heavy hoar frost. Attempts to reduce it by a few minutes of max power > (250W) CW transmission were successfull at first, but ultimately led to PA > failure. One problem a transmit loop wouldn't have... > > 73 de Markus, DF6NM > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:57:15 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4s4Q-0000Jp-31 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:57:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4s4P-0000Ip-Uc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:57:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4s43-00016D-C2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:56:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4s42-000164-Oc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 03:56:50 +0000 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4tOE-00008P-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 05:22:03 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([141.156.184.182]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IU300DFLEY1ID42@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 21:56:29 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:55:56 -0500 From: Andre Kesteloot In-reply-to: <002501c6285d$9a201060$67b0fea9@lark> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <43E2D44C.8020207@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <43E29878.1050803@verizon.net> <002501c6285d$9a201060$67b0fea9@lark> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax;nscd1) Subject: Re: LF: Re: Antenna and Propagation Manual Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Alan Melia wrote:
Thanks Andre, I tried to save it to a different name and it wasn't happy, but seemed to download to its default name...I will have to rename it later, I collect "design ideas " from EDN and have a veritable load of file names starting with 6 numbers. Fortunately those have an "di" at the end and the numbers are a date. I think someone somewhere must have written some code to look inside PDFs and dig out the title....wish I know where to find it !!
 
glad you liked the US Navy Book.
Incidentally, how about that article for the AMRAD Newsletter ?   :-)
73 
André
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 04:04:01 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4sAy-0000Kw-75 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 04:04:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4sAx-0000KR-SC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 04:04:00 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4sAk-0001JS-OA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 04:03:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4sAk-0001JJ-BF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 04:03:46 +0000 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4tUw-0000BH-Kk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 05:28:58 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([141.156.184.182]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IU3006FRF9LIHZ0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Feb 2006 22:03:24 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:02:52 -0500 From: Andre Kesteloot In-reply-to: <000901c627ec$a44d91f0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <43E2D5EC.2090002@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru> <486075040.20060202130106@dx.ru> <000901c627ec$a44d91f0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax;nscd1) Subject: Re: LF: J310 IMD figures Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Roelof Bakker wrote:
Hello all,

Thanks to Andre Kesteloo for forwarding the update on the AMRAD active whip design and pleased to see that the CP666 is still available.

Regarding the advice for substuting the CP666 for a J310 and the quoted second and third order IMD figures, I have measured these and found IP2 = + 65 dBm and IP3 = + 30 dBm. At 12 volt the J310 should be biased for 10 -12 mA, excellent for battery operation. These figures are in the same league as for the CP666 and I am tempted to purchase one and find out if there is any difference in practice.

Best regards,

Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt



Results of such IMD measurements can be dependent on the frequency difference between F1 and F2. In our case we chose 300 Hz, both signals being in the center  of the AM Broadcast band

73
André N4ICK
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 08:37:42 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4wRp-0002CT-TD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 08:37:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4wRp-0002BX-PE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 08:37:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4wQx-0001qO-RN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 08:36:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4wQx-0001qF-CY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 08:36:47 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.21]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4x9d-0001Lb-3O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:22:59 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 03 Feb 2006 08:36:39 -0000 Received: from p54906B49.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO router) [84.144.107.73] by mail.gmx.net (mp028) with SMTP; 03 Feb 2006 09:36:39 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 Message-ID: <001701c6289d$b6c3ce60$0600a8c0@router> From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43E29878.1050803@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 09:42:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: LF: Re: Antenna and Propagation Manual Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I am not able to read this 14092.pdf
 
so whats the trick ?
 
Uwe, dk1kq
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:40 AM
Subject: LF: Antenna and Propagation Manual

Gang,

I have always liked US Navy Manuals. Here is, IMHO, a good example.

	http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/navy/nrtc/14092.pdf


73
André N4ICK
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:33:06 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4xJR-0004mE-3L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:33:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4xJQ-0004gC-VT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:33:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4xIw-00020Z-6G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:32:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4xIv-00020Q-RO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:32:33 +0000 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4ydB-0002bP-Cz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:57:51 +0000 Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F4xHc-0006jq-0A; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:31:12 +0100 Received: from 192.168.0.100 (Sf+0G8Z6res81CxniQhx5PaLaKjy1UJDRoTB9JTEF274VA-ngPSN4u@[84.167.237.226]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1F4xHN-1gqaAa0; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:30:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "bernd grupe" References: <43E29878.1050803@verizon.net> <001701c6289d$b6c3ce60$0600a8c0@router> In-Reply-To: <001701c6289d$b6c3ce60$0600a8c0@router> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 6.01.0001 Date: 03 Feb 2006 09:30 GMT Message-ID: <1F4xHN-1gqaAa0@fwd26.sul.t-online.de> X-ID: Sf+0G8Z6res81CxniQhx5PaLaKjy1UJDRoTB9JTEF274VA-ngPSN4u X-TOI-MSGID: cb34fe83-a1ea-47ef-8e4e-3911c7db2fa3 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Antenna and Propagation Manual Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) hallo uwe, da stimmt was nicht mit deinem pc. nimm mal die rechte maustaste auf den link und wähle öffnen. vielleicht hilft das. ich kann das file einwandfrei öffnen. 73 bernd, df8zr "Uwe Wensauer" schrieb: I am not able to read this 14092.pdf so whats the trick ? Uwe, dk1kq----- Original Message ----- From: Andre Kesteloot To: rsgb_lf_group Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:40 AMSubject: LF: Antenna and Propagation Manual Gang, I have always liked US Navy Manuals. Here is, IMHO, a good example. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/navy/nrtc/14092.pdf73André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:38:26 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4xOb-0002Ip-RT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:38:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4xOb-0002Ib-JW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:38:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4xOB-000265-1T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:37:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4xOA-00025w-KF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:37:58 +0000 Received: from thsmsgxrt12p.thalesgroup.com ([192.54.144.135]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4yiP-0002f7-UV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:03:16 +0000 Received: from thsmsgirt23p.corp.thales (unknown [10.33.231.7]) by thsmsgxrt12p.thalesgroup.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B53F34419B for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:37:33 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.33.231.33] (10.33.231.33) by thsmsgirt23p.corp.thales (7.2.055.4) id 43E30B6300006436 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:37:34 +0100 Received: from (10.33.231.2) by via smtp id 5498_b4033adc_9498_11da_8353_001143dd36b7; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:37:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from NODALNET.clb.tcfr.thales (unknown [10.33.8.19]) by thsmsgirt12p.corp.thales (Postfix) with ESMTP id 979813C013 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:37:33 +0100 (CET) Received: by nodalnet.clb.tcfr.thales with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:37:33 +0100 Message-ID: <8840D182F8BB7540B173D2B1FA0CA9AB0708DE16@argos.clb.tcfr.thales> From: Jean-Louis.RAULT@fr.thalesgroup.com To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:37:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: LF: RE: Re: Antenna and Propagation Manual Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
OK here with my Acrobat Reader v 5.1
 
And no problem to rename 14092.pdf to Antennas_and_Propagation_Manual.pdf   :o))
 
73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR
-----Message d'origine-----
De : owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]De la part de Uwe Wensauer
Envoyé : vendredi 3 février 2006 09:42
Ŕ : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Objet : LF: Re: Antenna and Propagation Manual

I am not able to read this 14092.pdf
 
so whats the trick ?
 
Uwe, dk1kq
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:40 AM
Subject: LF: Antenna and Propagation Manual

Gang,

I have always liked US Navy Manuals. Here is, IMHO, a good example.

	http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/navy/nrtc/14092.pdf


73
André N4ICK
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:42:45 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4xSj-0000gm-MM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:42:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4xSj-0000dN-5a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:42:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4xSU-0002CL-T8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:42:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4xSU-0002CC-I5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 09:42:26 +0000 Received: from dx.ru ([80.68.4.13] helo=relay.dx.ru) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4ymk-0002iR-6A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:07:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 70569 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 12:40:57 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (ed@10.0.1.11) by unix.dx with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 12:40:57 +0300 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:40:44 +0300 From: Ed Lesnichy X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <669656179.20060203124044@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <486075040.20060202130106@dx.ru> References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru> <486075040.20060202130106@dx.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: HF_MF2LF #1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear LF enthusiasts, the prospective time-table of HF_MF2LF #1 experiment Feb 4 : PART 1 start 13z - end 1730z HF freq: TX1 14350 kHz, TX2 14213.681 kHz (14350 - 14213.681 = 136.319) RX freq: 136.319 kHz PART 2 start 1735z - end 20z HF freq: TX1 1882.319 kHz, TX2 3628.319 kHz (2*1882.319 - 3628.319 = 136.319) RX freq: 136.319 kHz PART 3 start 2005z - end 22z HF freq: TX1 1882.319 kHz, TX2 - broadcastings on 873kHz (1882.319 - 2*873 = 136.319) RX freq: 136.319 kHz TX mode: QRSS 30 - "RU RU RU RU ..." Sunrise on KN97LN at 1425z List of broadcastings on 873kHz (data from http://www.emwg.info/ "Euro-African Medium Wave Guide" edition: January 2006 (pdf 1.2MB): LZ 60KW KN22 DL 150KW Mannheim EA 25KW Casablanca EA 25KW Santiago de la Compostela G 0.3-1KW Enniskillen and West Lynn HA 20KW JN96 I 1KW Taranto UA2 50KW Kaliningrad ER 100KW Moldowa, Chishinau UA 600-2000KW KO95(600), LO53(1250) and KO81(2000) UR 5KW KN78 UR 7-50KW KN38 KO50 Any reports and ideas are welcomed 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru http://136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:50:35 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4yWP-0001Px-Ju for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:50:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4yWP-0001OJ-Aq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:50:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4yVK-0002OX-6T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:49:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4yVJ-0002OO-89 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:49:25 +0000 Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.203]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4zE2-0002Az-47 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:35:39 +0000 Received: (qmail 5152 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 10:49:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.43.14 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 10:49:21 -0000 Message-ID: <008701c628af$7d35bf20$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43E29878.1050803@verizon.net> <002501c6285d$9a201060$67b0fea9@lark> <43E2D44C.8020207@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:18:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Antenna and Propagation Manual Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Andre, Yes I have had a PC problem over the last few months I still have some remaining funnies and some components of the last system not recovered by i have most back, so I could now start to look at that for you. Sorry the delay.
 
Cheers de Alan G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 03 February 2006 03:55
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Antenna and Propagation Manual

Alan Melia wrote:
Thanks Andre, I tried to save it to a different name and it wasn't happy, but seemed to download to its default name...I will have to rename it later, I collect "design ideas " from EDN and have a veritable load of file names starting with 6 numbers. Fortunately those have an "di" at the end and the numbers are a date. I think someone somewhere must have written some code to look inside PDFs and dig out the title....wish I know where to find it !!
 
glad you liked the US Navy Book.
Incidentally, how about that article for the AMRAD Newsletter ?   :-)
73 
André
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:50:37 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4yWP-0002IN-Fa for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:50:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4yWP-0002Hn-3I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:50:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4yVZ-0002Ok-Ur for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:49:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4yVZ-0002Ob-JO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 10:49:41 +0000 Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4zps-0003P1-7p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:15:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 5167 invoked from network); 3 Feb 2006 10:49:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.43.14 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2006 10:49:23 -0000 Message-ID: <008801c628af$7e63dee0$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <020220062310.23359.43E2915A00063CBB00005B3F22007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> <002401c6285d$99138260$67b0fea9@lark> <01e601c62868$87ee77a0$0b01a8c0@server> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 10:38:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi JB I am almost tempted to say "if it goes rancid you are not running enough power" :-)) Cheers de Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: J. B. Weazle McCreath To: Sent: 03 February 2006 02:21 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Melia" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 12:54 AM > Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in > > > > Hi Warren, an excursion to high temperature should not affect the ferrite > as > > this is sintered at quite high temperatures to make the ring. What might > > suffer is the epoxy (usually) coating which may burn up and created a > lossy > > shorted turn (guess, I have no experience of this) A quick solution might > be > > to bung it in a beaker of cooking oil! That will act as insulation as > well!! > > Just think you could be the first station with an oil cooled antenna > > transformer !! > > > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > Warren, Alan, LFers, > > From my own experience I wouldn't recommend cooking oil, as it will go > rancid on you in short order, and does it ever stink! I've had good luck > using mineral oil sold as a cattle laxative at any farm supply outlet like > TSC Stores, Co-op, etc. > > 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL > Solar and wind powered > EN93dr > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:01:20 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4ygq-0003NQ-8u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:01:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4ygq-0003NF-4P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:01:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4ygP-0002aa-VN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:00:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4ygP-0002aR-7g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:00:53 +0000 Received: from post-22.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.192]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F500j-0003We-Sc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:26:12 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:12563 helo=pcroelof) by post-22.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F4yg8-0004M5-OI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 11:00:36 +0000 Message-ID: <009801c628b1$0b844ca0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru> <486075040.20060202130106@dx.ru> <000901c627ec$a44d91f0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> <43E2D5EC.2090002@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:00:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: LF: J310 IMD figures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello André, Thank you for the Antenna and Propagation Manual link. >> In our case we chose 300 Hz << I assume this should be 300 kHz. Yes, I agree that IMD-measurements can be tricky. For IP2 I often found level differences for the IMD products F1 + F2 and F1 - F2. In this specific case, a different value for the 12 pF capacitor, leads to different results. For that reason, I tried the real thing by using BCB stations as signal generators. However, there are no nearby very strong BCB stations here. I will have to drive 200 km to get close to a Dutch MW transmitter site. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:22:37 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4zxU-0004IE-7T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:22:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F4zxU-0004Hf-2W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:22:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F4zwm-0002p6-4g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:21:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F4zwl-0002ox-R3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 12:21:51 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F51H7-0004XE-6w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:47:12 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060203122129m13009etede>; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 12:21:29 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c628bc$5c4c3a20$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 07:21:28 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA 3 JAN 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Very high static levels...nothing to report...CT1DRP off last night. Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:25:18 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F50wA-0001TJ-9K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:25:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F50wA-0001T0-3t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:25:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F50vP-00032S-Ok for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:24:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F50vP-00032J-DM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:24:31 +0000 Received: from gemini.smart.net ([66.225.112.69]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F52Fj-0005WZ-L5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:49:53 +0000 Received: from HOST (core-balt-5-234.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [209.163.120.234]) by gemini.smart.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id k13DKwfi028145 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:20:59 -0500 Message-ID: <000a01c628c4$ad256d10$0100a8c0@HOST> From: "chastant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43E0DD32.3020907@w1tag.com> <667829004.20060202195017@mTerrier.net> <43E262B7.5020601@w1tag.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 08:20:59 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: LF: XES WOLF Again Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This mornings copy.. de Lloyd 2006-02-03 11:10:35 >WOLF10 -r 8000 -f 577 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 t: 24 f:-0.070 a: 1.4 dp: 72.0 ci: 9 cj: 68 8UHMNMUMDOA3L4D ? t: 48 f:-0.065 a: 1.1 dp: 76.0 ci: 9 cj: 68 XES NICE WOLFIE - t: 96 f:-0.062 a: 0.6 dp: 72.3 ci: 9 cj: 68 XES NICE WOLFIE - t: 192 f:-0.059 pm:7.300 jm:824 q: -2.6 -2.9 XES NICE WOLFIE - t: 288 f:-0.059 pm:12.73 jm:824 q: -1.0 -0.3 XES NICE WOLFIE - t: 384 f:-0.059 pm:12.90 jm:824 q: -1.5 -1.6 XES NICE WOLFIE - t: 480 f:-0.088 pm:38.94 jm:824 q: 1.2 1.0 XES NICE WOLFIE - t: 576 f:-0.088 pm:49.72 jm:824 q: 2.0 2.2 XES NICE WOLFIE - t: 672 f:-0.088 pm:49.90 jm:824 q: 2.0 1.7 XES NICE WOLFIE - t: 768 f:-0.088 pm:50.20 jm:824 q: 2.0 1.2 XES NICE WOLFIE - t: 864 f:-0.088 pm:50.23 jm:824 q: 1.8 0.8 XES NICE WOLFIE - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2006 2:51 PM Subject: Re: LF: XES WOLF Again > WD2XES will run WOLF (10) again tonight on 137.577 kHz. Start time > should be before 2300 UTC. > > John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES > WD2XES status: http://www.w1tag.com > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:46:31 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F51Gd-0006I3-Je for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:46:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F51Gc-0006G1-US for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:46:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F51GB-00039c-OL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:45:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F51GB-00039T-1M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:45:59 +0000 Received: from bay102-f9.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.19] helo=hotmail.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F51yv-0003pX-QD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:32:17 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 05:45:50 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 13:45:49 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.117.134] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <020320060153.24772.43E2B7A400019564000060C422007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 04:45:49 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Feb 2006 13:45:50.0389 (UTC) FILETIME=[24E05650:01C628C8] Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Yep your absolutely right about safety Warren - Kids, dogs and the local Skunk/squirrel population stayed away but I did notice that the odd California wren had left its mark inside the coupler reducing the insect population around the Caps. For those that could read I had RF exposure warning signs in quite a few location. Being near the 5th tee and wardward ball finders often sojourned into the loop area so official signs "you are entering a zone etc" were a necessity. I saw one golfer, using his 7 iron actually reach up and try to snag the horizontal section of the loop - Doh.. for the next open QTH I going to put up Actung!! Minefield!! signs. No such a problem here being in a fully fenced "compound" garden which makes Gitmo look like an open park. Coupler - I used a double box method - My coupler weighs close to 60 pounds with lots of Sangamo G2,3's and 4's to share the current load and not able to mount on a tree so it sat just off the ground on a sloping plinth with the lid of the Rubbermaid box open about 1 inch at the back - the Rubbermaid was covered by a littleframed housing some 4 ft cubed with a sloping poly type corrugated roofing. Heating was most noticeable during summer when we get those 100 plus days with no wind but in the winter I have not seen the hot end side of the primary winding get over say 110F (?) - this is with the Decca running full whacko for days on end. I cant find the email with the component temperatures I put out a few months ago but the hottest part of the toroid was turn 1 of 17 on the primary #12 goiing to the 50 ohm connector Ive put a new shot of the coupler on the web site. http://myweb.cableone.net/flow/copper3.jpg Note that even with #4 THHN secondary it gets just above ambient warm with around 50A RF flowing thru it! Hottest (wam) components on the loop side are the 1/4 inch threaded feed thru rods on the ceramic standoffs where the huge Lowe copper lugs are connected to the paralleld loops ...and as to which I prefer - the vertical or loop. For operational stability, unattended and no auto tuning and no stress at the +1Kw +24 hour op level it has to be the loop. I didnt touch mine for weeks on end and didnt lose sleep in unattended operation. I didnt watch the phase meter go left and right as the wind blew but it rarely caused an increase in guard current on the Decca. I just couldnt have dont that with my skills with the vertical - I longest I left the Alaksan 110 footer was a week and I went gray(er) worrying about off tuning, high SWR and unwanted central heating in the house. I have to say the loop suits my laxidazical (?) engineering methods too - Sling up some insulated wire over the trees limbs - not too much insulation issues, dont even worry too much about spacing or where the wires flop around around too much and you can still get "out" to some degree. Though there is still Voltage about in the coupler and on the wires it seems to me a less problematic soltiion. Now give me 5 acres in open country and youll see another answer of course and thats what I have planned in my mind for a retirement home if I ever get there. Still unpacking and nothing connected here - looks like we are off to Kota Kinabula Sabah E Malaysia in a few weeks to do some teaching and refurb our HF station there and will take LF, callsign will be 9M6/G(M)4DMA per my 2002 operation -then we are returning to Ghana in what looks like September to reopen/move the station there too, and Aris Namibia in the Spring as V51/G4DMA to move the HF station there to a new QTH, so a few more opportunities between work and play to listen/xband perhaps. -may set up the rx in the car and do an overnighter session before it gets into Spring and I lose Eu. Laurence KL1X in 5 >From: k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in >Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:53:40 +0000 > >Hi Laurence, > > I've thought about leaving the box open but I couldn't do that if >there was precipitation of any kind. Also might be hazardous to the >neighbor's kids - I haven't seen anyone get near it but it's a big chance >to take. > > >-- >73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ >FN42hi >http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- >From: "Laurence KL1X" > > No cooling fan Warren just open "ish" air circulation without it >things > > got a little warm especially at 100F ambient in the summer....I love >Okie... > > > > > > >From: k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) > > >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > >Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in > > >Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:10:18 +0000 > > > > > >Hi Mike, > > > > > > I don't think that the cores were damaged from the last incident. I >was > > >able to run the 250 watt transmitter through it with no problem and no > > >measureable reflected power. I understand that Laurence also used 3 >stacked > > >FT-290-77s but actively cooled it. A cooling fan is not easy to do in >my > > >case since the tuner is in a weathertight box. > > > > > >-- > > >73 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:04:30 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F51Y1-00084J-8E for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:04:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F51Y1-000843-30 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:04:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F51Xi-0003HR-MI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:04:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F51Xi-0003HI-2z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:04:06 +0000 Received: from mxout03.versatel.de ([212.7.152.120]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F52GU-0003xF-Ek for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:50:24 +0000 Received: from mx02.versatel.de (mx02.versatel.de [212.7.146.2]) by mxout03.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k13E2wOs005828 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:02:58 +0100 Received: from localhost ([62.214.100.62]) by mx02.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k13E2wtw008982 for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:02:58 +0100 Received: from i577a6c0a.versanet.de (i577a6c0a.versanet.de [87.122.108.10]) by webmail.versatel.de (Horde MIME library) with HTTP for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:02:58 +0100 Message-ID: <20060203150258.0rgz2z1aalcg0o44@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:02:58 +0100 From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru> <486075040.20060202130106@dx.ru> <669656179.20060203124044@dx.ru> In-Reply-To: <669656179.20060203124044@dx.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) Subject: Re: LF: HF_MF2LF #1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Zitat von Ed Lesnichy : > Dear LF enthusiasts, > > the prospective time-table of HF_MF2LF #1 experiment Feb 4 : > > PART 1 > start 13z - end 1730z > HF freq: TX1 14350 kHz, TX2 14213.681 kHz > (14350 - 14213.681 = 136.319) > RX freq: 136.319 kHz > > PART 2 > start 1735z - end 20z > HF freq: TX1 1882.319 kHz, TX2 3628.319 kHz > (2*1882.319 - 3628.319 = 136.319) > RX freq: 136.319 kHz > > PART 3 > start 2005z - end 22z > HF freq: TX1 1882.319 kHz, TX2 - broadcastings on 873kHz > (1882.319 - 2*873 = 136.319) > RX freq: 136.319 kHz > > TX mode: QRSS 30 - "RU RU RU RU ..." > > Sunrise on KN97LN at 1425z > > List of broadcastings on 873kHz (data from http://www.emwg.info/ > "Euro-African Medium Wave Guide" edition: January 2006 (pdf 1.2MB): > LZ 60KW KN22 > DL 150KW Mannheim > EA 25KW Casablanca > EA 25KW Santiago de la Compostela > G 0.3-1KW Enniskillen and West Lynn > HA 20KW JN96 > I 1KW Taranto > UA2 50KW Kaliningrad > ER 100KW Moldowa, Chishinau > UA 600-2000KW KO95(600), LO53(1250) and KO81(2000) > UR 5KW KN78 > UR 7-50KW KN38 KO50 > > Any reports and ideas are welcomed > > 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru http://136.73.ru > > > Hi Ed, DJ8WX is QRV. the sw beam points in your direction. LF equipment adjusted to 136,319kHz. no signs on 14MHz heard as yet. regards Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:49:58 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F52G4-00023b-1V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:49:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F52G3-00022r-L3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:49:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F52FG-0003Sy-Vs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:49:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F52FG-0003Sp-GL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:49:06 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F53ZZ-0006Nq-0V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:14:29 +0000 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1F52Ep-00016O-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:48:39 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1F52Er-0003B6-39 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 14:48:41 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:48:15 -0000 Message-ID: <004001c628d0$dcebfe40$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <020220062241.29124.43E28A95000E876A000071C422007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Importance: Normal X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: RE: Keeping the smoke in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Warren, LF Group, Sorry to hear about your problem. The transformer core seems more than adequate for the power level you are using - the flux density in the core at 1.2kW should be about 40mT, which is very low, so core size is more than ample; certainly I am using smaller cores at the same power level without heating problems. At that flux density, magnetic losses in the core would be something like 5 or 6W, according to the Fair-Rite graphs for 77 material. You might lose a similar amount in the winding, making about 12W loss overall. I guess if this was thermally very well insulated it could get very hot - this might happen if the box has very low thermal conductivity, and there are other heat-producing components inside as well. What mystifies me is why high voltages should also be present around the transformer. 1.2kW into 50R is about 245V RMS, which is nothing in corona terms. The low impedance secondary should only have 46V across it. A high voltage between primary and secondary windings could result from having the transformer connected into the loop at a high potential point, but it isn't obvious to me why that would be done. This could also result in increased core losses due to dielectric loss in the ferrite. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ Sent: 02 February 2006 22:41 To: rsgb lf reflector Cc: LWCA LF Reflector Subject: LF: Keeping the smoke in Hello the list, I've heard that the secret to keeping things going in electronics is to make sure you don't let the smoke out (that's what makes it all work apparently). .... I guess I need a bigger core than the 3 stacked FT-290-77s any suggestions out there? -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:32:49 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F52vV-0005Hm-UY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:32:48 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F52vV-0005Fs-QG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:32:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F52uy-0003gD-Fd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:32:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F52ux-0003g4-7g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:32:11 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.192.81]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F53dl-0004ei-8H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:18:31 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter73.comcast.net ([204.127.197.155](misconfigured sender)) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060203153113m1100663e8e>; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:31:24 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter73.comcast.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:31:08 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "james moritz" Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:31:08 +0000 Message-Id: <020320061531.1550.43E3773B000EF12C0000060E22073007930B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: RE: Keeping the smoke in X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Jim, Thanks for the analysis. The transformer is in a closed weathertight box which I'm sure contributes to the heat build up. The high voltage on the transformer secondary (loop or low impedance side) comes from the fact that it is in a resonant circuit. The voltage will be E=I*X, in this case the I is about 30 amps and X is near to 200 ohms so E= 6000 volts. I have seen actual arcing when the spacing or insulation was inadequate. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "james moritz" > Dear Warren, LF Group, > > Sorry to hear about your problem. The transformer core seems more than > adequate for the power level you are using - the flux density in the core at > 1.2kW should be about 40mT, which is very low, so core size is more than > ample; certainly I am using smaller cores at the same power level without > heating problems. At that flux density, magnetic losses in the core would be > something like 5 or 6W, according to the Fair-Rite graphs for 77 material. > You might lose a similar amount in the winding, making about 12W loss > overall. I guess if this was thermally very well insulated it could get very > hot - this might happen if the box has very low thermal conductivity, and > there are other heat-producing components inside as well. > > What mystifies me is why high voltages should also be present around the > transformer. 1.2kW into 50R is about 245V RMS, which is nothing in corona > terms. The low impedance secondary should only have 46V across it. A high > voltage between primary and secondary windings could result from having the > transformer connected into the loop at a high potential point, but it isn't > obvious to me why that would be done. This could also result in increased > core losses due to dielectric loss in the ferrite. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > Sent: 02 February 2006 22:41 > To: rsgb lf reflector > Cc: LWCA LF Reflector > Subject: LF: Keeping the smoke in > > Hello the list, > > I've heard that the secret to keeping things going in electronics is > to make sure you don't let the smoke out (that's what makes it all work > apparently). > > .... > I guess I need a bigger core than the 3 stacked FT-290-77s any > suggestions out there? > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:40:38 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5336-0005LJ-Vo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:40:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5336-0005KR-2O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:40:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F532q-0003nT-OE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:40:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F532q-0003nK-C4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:40:20 +0000 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F53lg-0004jH-6R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:26:41 +0000 Received: from fwd35.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F532o-0000cR-01; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:40:18 +0100 Received: from HW1 (GETNJ4ZaYeH-iTAYUSCDM189l8ccNqmSToGdg4HuNazyGlFZQEn10d@[84.133.115.159]) by fwd35.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F532j-1JEZmq0; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:40:13 +0100 Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:40:11 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <521732239.20060203164011@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: GETNJ4ZaYeH-iTAYUSCDM189l8ccNqmSToGdg4HuNazyGlFZQEn10d X-TOI-MSGID: a0d4216d-290d-4052-a558-8c937ff3109c Subject: LF: TA Feb, 2nd/3rd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Only VO1NA copied 03:00-03:30 last night. No listening on 137.577 kHz. 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:40:47 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F533D-0002WH-Ph for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:40:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F533A-0002Sv-PI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:40:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F532w-0003ng-B4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:40:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F532v-0003nX-Jn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:40:25 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([216.148.227.151]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F53lj-0004jF-Rm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:26:46 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter76.comcast.net ([204.127.197.158]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060203153939m11005sl0ue>; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 15:39:39 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter76.comcast.net; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:39:38 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "Laurence KL1X" Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 15:39:38 +0000 Message-Id: <020320061539.2162.43E37939000ED9390000087222064244130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Laurence, Thanks for the information and pictures on your tuner. You certainly had great results and the tuner was very robust indeed. I plan on putting a sign on my tuner as well, something like "Danger High Voltage" raher than an rf radiation sign. Unfortunately there are too many people who don't know the difference between rf radiation and ionizing radiation, and they might think I'm storing plutonium out there! On the vertical vs. loop question, loops are certainly much less effetcted by the environment and need less tending to. I think a big problem that hams have with verticals is that they tend to just through a wire over a tree. Look at professional LF installations - they are all verticals, but they are made up of towers out in the clear. The pros often have a phase sense circuit and a motor driven variometer to keep the antenna in tune as the weather changes. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Laurence KL1X" > Yep your absolutely right about safety Warren - Kids, dogs and the local > Skunk/squirrel population stayed away but I did notice that the odd > California wren had left its mark inside the coupler reducing the insect > population around the Caps. > > For those that could read I had RF exposure warning signs in quite a few > location. Being near the 5th tee and wardward ball finders often sojourned > into the loop area so official signs "you are entering a zone etc" were a > necessity. I saw one golfer, using his 7 iron actually reach up and try to > snag the horizontal section of the loop - Doh.. for the next open QTH I > going to put up Actung!! Minefield!! signs. No such a problem here being in > a fully fenced "compound" garden which makes Gitmo look like an open park. > > > Coupler - > I used a double box method - My coupler weighs close to 60 pounds with lots > of Sangamo G2,3's and 4's to share the current load and not able to mount on > a tree so it sat just off the ground on a sloping plinth with the lid of the > Rubbermaid box open about 1 inch at the back - the Rubbermaid was covered by > a littleframed housing some 4 ft cubed with a sloping poly type corrugated > roofing. Heating was most noticeable during summer when we get those 100 > plus days with no wind but in the winter I have not seen the hot end side of > the primary winding get over say 110F (?) - this is with the Decca running > full whacko for days on end. I cant find the email with the component > temperatures I put out a few months ago but the hottest part of the toroid > was turn 1 of 17 on the primary #12 goiing to the 50 ohm connector > > Ive put a new shot of the coupler on the web site. > > http://myweb.cableone.net/flow/copper3.jpg > > Note that even with #4 THHN secondary it gets just above ambient warm with > around 50A RF flowing thru it! Hottest (wam) components on the loop side are > the 1/4 inch threaded feed thru rods on the ceramic standoffs where the huge > Lowe copper lugs are connected to the paralleld loops > > ...and as to which I prefer - the vertical or loop. For operational > stability, unattended and no auto tuning and no stress at the +1Kw +24 hour > op level it has to be the loop. I didnt touch mine for weeks on end and > didnt lose sleep in unattended operation. I didnt watch the phase meter go > left and right as the wind blew but it rarely caused an increase in guard > current on the Decca. I just couldnt have dont that with my skills with the > vertical - I longest I left the Alaksan 110 footer was a week and I went > gray(er) worrying about off tuning, high SWR and unwanted central heating in > the house. I have to say the loop suits my laxidazical (?) engineering > methods too - Sling up some insulated wire over the trees limbs - not too > much insulation issues, dont even worry too much about spacing or where the > wires flop around around too much and you can still get "out" to some > degree. Though there is still Voltage about in the coupler and on the wires > it seems to me a less problematic soltiion. Now give me 5 acres in open > country and youll see another answer of course and thats what I have > planned in my mind for a retirement home if I ever get there. > > > Still unpacking and nothing connected here - looks like we are off to Kota > Kinabula Sabah E Malaysia in a few weeks to do some teaching and refurb our > HF station there and will take LF, callsign will be 9M6/G(M)4DMA per my 2002 > operation -then we are returning to Ghana in what looks like September to > reopen/move the station there too, and Aris Namibia in the Spring as > V51/G4DMA to move the HF station there to a new QTH, so a few more > opportunities between work and play to listen/xband perhaps. > > -may set up the rx in the car and do an overnighter session before it gets > into Spring and I lose Eu. > > Laurence KL1X in 5 > > > > >From: k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) > >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > >Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in > >Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 01:53:40 +0000 > > > >Hi Laurence, > > > > I've thought about leaving the box open but I couldn't do that if > >there was precipitation of any kind. Also might be hazardous to the > >neighbor's kids - I haven't seen anyone get near it but it's a big chance > >to take. > > > > > >-- > >73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > >FN42hi > >http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > >From: "Laurence KL1X" > > > No cooling fan Warren just open "ish" air circulation without it > >things > > > got a little warm especially at 100F ambient in the summer....I love > >Okie... > > > > > > > > > >From: k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) > > > >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > > > >Subject: Re: LF: Re: Keeping the smoke in > > > >Date: Thu, 02 Feb 2006 23:10:18 +0000 > > > > > > > >Hi Mike, > > > > > > > > I don't think that the cores were damaged from the last incident. I > >was > > > >able to run the 250 watt transmitter through it with no problem and no > > > >measureable reflected power. I understand that Laurence also used 3 > >stacked > > > >FT-290-77s but actively cooled it. A cooling fan is not easy to do in > >my > > > >case since the tuner is in a weathertight box. > > > > > > > >-- > > > >73 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:54:13 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F54CH-0004Ll-6y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:54:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F54CG-0004JH-UF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:54:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F54BX-000494-04 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:53:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F54BW-00048v-DO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:53:22 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F55Vu-0007cJ-5h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:18:47 +0000 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1F54B8-0003KZ-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:52:58 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1F54BD-0003kZ-5w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 16:53:03 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 16:52:37 -0000 Message-ID: <004701c628e2$3ca87230$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <020320061531.1550.43E3773B000EF12C0000060E22073007930B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Importance: Normal X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: RE: Keeping the smoke in Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ...The voltage will be E=I*X, in this case the I is about 30 amps and X is near to 200 ohms so E= 6000 volts. I have seen actual arcing when the spacing or insulation was inadequate... Dear Warren, LF Group, Yes, but what I mean is, voltage is a differential thing. All parts of the transformer primary are no more than a few hundred V with respect to ground. There will be several kV difference in voltage between the terminals of the tuning C, but nothing obviously preventing you from connecting one of those terminals, or another point on the loop to the TX ground, and putting the transformer secondary in series with the loop at that point, where it too will be almost at ground potential - the maximum difference in voltage across any part of the transformer is then more-or-less the TX output voltage. You could put the transformer at a point on the loop where the loop potential was high w.r.t. ground, it would work the same as far as driving the loop is concerned, but then a large voltage would be present between primary and secondary, and at the moment I can't think of an advantage to doing that. Maybe I am missing some obvious thing? Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:46:32 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F55x0-0004Z5-2D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:46:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F55wz-0004U8-PX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:46:29 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F55vz-0004WY-Pf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:45:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F55vz-0004WP-7e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:45:27 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F56eq-0006LA-Ou for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:31:51 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.147] (helo=mx4.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1F55vv-0007KU-1z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:45:23 +0100 Received: from p54868c05.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.140.5] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx4.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.61 #21) id 1F55vu-00017P-L0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Feb 2006 19:45:23 +0100 Message-ID: <43E3A4BD.8000108@freenet.de> Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:45:17 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003901c62682$55767b70$0a8cf8d4@standalone> <43DF9979.8030105@freenet.de> <001001c626a5$53662420$943b7ad5@w4o8m9> In-Reply-To: <001001c626a5$53662420$943b7ad5@w4o8m9> Subject: Re: LF: Re: Colour palette, SNR, BW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Jim and group, Jim wrote: >Funnily enough, I tried something very similar with Spectrum Lab a while >ago - the palette up_down.pal attached is more or less what Andy described. >But I found the effect to be rather counter-intuitive, with strong signals >"punching holes" in the waterfall display. I settled on having a progression >blue-red-yellow-light green-white, as in the attachment jim.pal, which I >have been happy with ever since. > > > Thanks Jim ... I have added your palette to the "palettes" subdirectory now. I have taken the liberty to rename the files to: jim_black_blue_red_green_white and jim_up_down . The difference in the "up_down" palette only becomes obvious if the "contrast" slider is set to a moderate level. Otherwise, you may not see the point where the white region enters the "sunset" area and slowly turns black again. The new version is available on my website now. But for LF applications, not much inside SpecLab has changed. Only for those using image-cancelling direct conversion receivers (with I/Q input to the soundcard), it may be simpler to use because there is an easier-to-use method to compensate phase- and amplitude errors in the I- and Q- branch. Best regards, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 01:09:00 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5Bv8-0003pu-FF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 01:09:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5Bv8-0003nZ-3l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 01:08:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5BuO-0005XN-UE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 01:08:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5BuO-0005XE-62 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 01:08:12 +0000 Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.5]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5DEv-0004WR-Rv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 02:33:45 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id l.2dd.1a9abf4 (48600) for ; Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:03:41 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <2dd.1a9abf4.3115576c@aol.com> Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 20:03:40 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: Re: More smoke... Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030605090703010702090305" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030605090703010702090305 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Group,

had to change one of the four BUZ111 in the class-D PA - actually for the first time since I started on LF. Took a while due to the PCB-less "true 3D" type of construction, as the FETs are naturally the innermost components.

Back on air now, continuing the 0.15 Hz HELL around 136318.5.

73 and good luck to all

Markus, DF6NM

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dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:39:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5KoP-00076y-4S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:38:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5KoO-00076p-GR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:38:36 +0000 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5LXa-0005vh-0t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:25:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 62594 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 10:37:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?81.131.85.161?) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.85.161 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 10:37:11 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.1/250]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 10:36:28 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c62976$db2a4ca0$a1558351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <521732239.20060203164011@t-online.de> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 10:36:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: TA Feb, 2nd/3rd/4th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear LF Group, Receiving conditions picked up here a bit last night, with quite good sigs from XES, XKO and VO1NA coming and going with the QSB throughout the night, although with considerable QRN also. The nights of 1st/2nd and 2nd/3rd Feb were poor here, with a lot of QRN, and apparently low signal levels - weak signals from VO1NA and XKO were seen on 2nd, and only weak signals from VO1NA were seen on 3rd. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:30:13 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5LcJ-00051z-0a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:30:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5LcI-0004yh-SC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:30:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5Lbm-0007LA-UE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:29:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5Lbm-0007L1-Hj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:29:38 +0000 Received: from smtp4.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.27]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5ML1-0006A5-D4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:16:24 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0404.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0C44E1C00203 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:29:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from Mix-Amiens-107-3-18.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (Mix-Amiens-107-3-18.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.69.18]) by mwinf0404.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 4A5DD1C001F9 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:29:11 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060204112911304.4A5DD1C001F9@mwinf0404.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:28:40 +0100 (CET) From: Jean-Pierre Godet X-X-Sender: godetj@comcon2.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> Message-ID: References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: TA feb. 1st ==> 4th Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In my poor conditions (sorry...), back home this morning, captures showed only : february 1st : NA 0300 ==> 0530 UTC XKO 0230 ==> 0600 UTC february 2nd : XKO 0130 ==> 0200 UTC february 3rd : nil... february 4th : NA 0100 ==> 0200 UTC Best 73 to all on the reflector ! jean-Pierre f5yg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:30:22 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5LcP-0002us-VP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:30:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5LcP-0002tO-RS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:30:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5LcI-0007Ls-MO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:30:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5LcI-0007Li-Ap for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:30:10 +0000 Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5Mwx-0000Xe-6P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:55:53 +0000 Received: from fwd35.aul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F5Lbf-00025l-01; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:29:31 +0100 Received: from HW1 (b0W4EmZeQeoIN3YFAeb3g2gf2d17yx5RuJpWiBmzCs2yd8ZoWsn3QS@[84.133.81.99]) by fwd35.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F5Lbd-24C5cO0; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:29:29 +0100 Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:29:27 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1742479002.20060204122927@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: b0W4EmZeQeoIN3YFAeb3g2gf2d17yx5RuJpWiBmzCs2yd8ZoWsn3QS X-TOI-MSGID: 6c7b25f1-30ed-4c26-a174-54b3abc705aa Subject: LF: TA Feb, 3rd/4th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Despite the high noise level copied VO1NA, WD2XES and WD2XKO. About 05:20-06:10 there was a carrier on about 137.7796 drifting slighly downwards. Probably WD2XGJ testing? VO1NA copied 22:00-07:30 traces 08:00-08:30. Joe changed mode to QRSS60 and sending "NA". WD2XES was sending the full callsign last night. Copied about 00:50-07:00 traces until 08:30. WD2XKO copied about 00:10-05:00. Then probably off. Captures: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:30:33 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5Lcd-0000cN-Ti for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:30:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5Lcd-0000be-Oy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:30:31 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5LcW-0007Mu-ET for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:30:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5LcW-0007Ml-0d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 11:30:24 +0000 Received: from smtpout0140.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.140] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5MLk-0006AG-Np for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:17:09 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.209.14) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43C54FAD002A5F48 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:29:54 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c6297e$4e744a60$0ed1fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:29:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: EU Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
Lots of acty yesterday on 136 khz.
The usual DL, PA, G, OM, OK  plus HA6PC and YU7DP are back. RU6LA was also there.
All signals good O copy and some audible.
YU7DP seem to have RX difficulties except for stns near him.
73 De Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:06:25 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5MBM-0002tn-3g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:06:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5MBL-0002t2-Vk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:06:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5MAl-0007h6-NW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:05:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5MAl-0007gx-Am for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:05:47 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([63.240.77.83]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5Mty-0006Qu-SK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:52:33 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2006020412044001300pn32me>; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 12:04:40 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c62983$2d3f1000$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:04:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA 4 JAN 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) High static levels continue. Only CT1DRP was seen through the noise and that for an abbreviated period. One lonely capture at: http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html Sorry Markus...no chance in Hell...we'll have to wait for quieter conditions. I'll take a look at the wx maps and post a guess for conditions tonight later today. Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:49:52 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5MrN-0001F7-Jk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:49:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5MrN-0001ET-7a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:49:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5Mqw-0007uC-8s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:49:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5Mqv-0007u3-Qi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:49:21 +0000 Received: from mxsf30.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.230]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5OBb-00013r-RK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:15:06 +0000 Received: from mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.143]) by mxsf30.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k14CmKkO004828 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:48:21 -0500 Received: from 68-118-232-97.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) (68.118.232.97) by mxip13a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 04 Feb 2006 07:48:20 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,88,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="2087829998:sNHT32956354" Message-ID: <43E4A2E8.5050703@w1tag.com> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 12:49:44 +0000 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001901c62983$2d3f1000$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> In-Reply-To: <001901c62983$2d3f1000$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> Subject: Re: LF: TA 4 JAN 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Jay, We will be having another coastal storm tonight, so cndx are likely to be as bad. But things clear out on Sunday, and the first half of the week looks quiet. JA Jay Rusgrove wrote: >High static levels continue. Only CT1DRP was seen through the noise and that for an abbreviated >period. One lonely capture at: > >http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html > >Sorry Markus...no chance in Hell...we'll have to wait for quieter conditions. I'll take a look at >the wx maps and post a guess for conditions tonight later today. > >Jay, W1VD > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:25:44 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5NQ7-0004Qy-1e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:25:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5NQ6-0004Pw-RJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:25:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5NPR-00086w-85 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:25:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5NPQ-00086n-Qe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:25:00 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([63.240.77.81]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5Ok7-0001HT-FV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:50:45 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <200602041324100110036mgue>; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:24:15 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c6298e$4ba16100$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001901c62983$2d3f1000$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <43E4A2E8.5050703@w1tag.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 08:24:10 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Re: LF: TA 4 JAN 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) John Thanks for the disappointing info... Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 7:49 AM Subject: Re: LF: TA 4 JAN 06 > Jay, > > We will be having another coastal storm tonight, so cndx are likely to > be as bad. But things clear out on Sunday, and the first half of the > week looks quiet. > > JA > > Jay Rusgrove wrote: > > >High static levels continue. Only CT1DRP was seen through the noise and that for an abbreviated > >period. One lonely capture at: > > > >http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html > > > >Sorry Markus...no chance in Hell...we'll have to wait for quieter conditions. I'll take a look at > >the wx maps and post a guess for conditions tonight later today. > > > >Jay, W1VD > > > > > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:32:47 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5NWw-0005oL-S4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:32:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5NWw-0005o5-Nj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:32:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5NWj-0008DF-Bz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:32:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5NWi-0008D6-St for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:32:32 +0000 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5OrR-0001M1-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:58:17 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([141.156.184.182]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IU60063K0939TQ0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 07:31:55 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 08:31:22 -0500 From: Andre Kesteloot In-reply-to: <008701c628af$7d35bf20$67b0fea9@lark> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <43E4ACAA.7070005@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <43E29878.1050803@verizon.net> <002501c6285d$9a201060$67b0fea9@lark> <43E2D44C.8020207@verizon.net> <008701c628af$7d35bf20$67b0fea9@lark> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax;nscd1) Subject: Re: LF: Re: Antenna and Propagation Manual Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Alan Melia wrote:
Hi Andre, Yes I have had a PC problem over the last few months
it only happens to the best of us  :-)
73
André N4ICK
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:44:11 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5Nhz-0001Mh-3i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:44:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5Nhz-0001MN-0N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:44:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5Nhi-0008LB-5i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:43:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5Nhh-0008L2-O7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:43:53 +0000 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5P2Q-0001Sm-Q8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:09:38 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([141.156.184.182]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IU6003YP0RS9PF2@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 07:43:08 -0600 (CST) Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 08:42:35 -0500 From: Andre Kesteloot In-reply-to: <009801c628b1$0b844ca0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <43E4AF4B.6060002@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru> <486075040.20060202130106@dx.ru> <000901c627ec$a44d91f0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> <43E2D5EC.2090002@verizon.net> <009801c628b1$0b844ca0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax;nscd1) Subject: Re: LF: J310 IMD figures Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Roelof Bakker wrote: > Hello André, > > Thank you for the Antenna and Propagation Manual link. > >>> In our case we chose 300 Hz << >> > > I assume this should be 300 kHz. Ooops, yes :-) I think they were 700 and 1000 kHz. 73 André From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:45:01 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5Nii-0000qj-RF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:45:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5Nii-0000pB-NC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:44:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5NiY-0008N2-FP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:44:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5NiX-0008Mo-Uy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:44:46 +0000 Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.140]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5ORn-0007AG-Es for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:31:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 88349 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 13:44:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.31.122 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 13:44:21 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.1/250]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 13:43:38 +0000 Message-ID: <002f01c62991$0082b2c0$a1558351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL><1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru><486075040.20060202130106@dx.ru> <669656179.20060203124044@dx.ru> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 13:43:38 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: HF_MF2LF #1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Ed, LF Group, Just quickly checked your HF frequencies, which are 14213.650kHz and 14349.972kHz to the nearest Hz - this will make the difference frequency 136.322kHz, +/- 2Hz. Will be monitoring the frequency this afternoon. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Lesnichy To: Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:40 AM Subject: LF: HF_MF2LF #1 > Dear LF enthusiasts, > > the prospective time-table of HF_MF2LF #1 experiment Feb 4 : > > PART 1 > start 13z - end 1730z > HF freq: TX1 14350 kHz, TX2 14213.681 kHz > (14350 - 14213.681 = 136.319) > RX freq: 136.319 kHz > > PART 2 > start 1735z - end 20z > HF freq: TX1 1882.319 kHz, TX2 3628.319 kHz > (2*1882.319 - 3628.319 = 136.319) > RX freq: 136.319 kHz > > PART 3 > start 2005z - end 22z > HF freq: TX1 1882.319 kHz, TX2 - broadcastings on 873kHz > (1882.319 - 2*873 = 136.319) > RX freq: 136.319 kHz > > TX mode: QRSS 30 - "RU RU RU RU ..." > > Sunrise on KN97LN at 1425z > > List of broadcastings on 873kHz (data from http://www.emwg.info/ > "Euro-African Medium Wave Guide" edition: January 2006 (pdf 1.2MB): > LZ 60KW KN22 > DL 150KW Mannheim > EA 25KW Casablanca > EA 25KW Santiago de la Compostela > G 0.3-1KW Enniskillen and West Lynn > HA 20KW JN96 > I 1KW Taranto > UA2 50KW Kaliningrad > ER 100KW Moldowa, Chishinau > UA 600-2000KW KO95(600), LO53(1250) and KO81(2000) > UR 5KW KN78 > UR 7-50KW KN38 KO50 > > Any reports and ideas are welcomed > > 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru http://136.73.ru > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:21:47 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5OIL-0005AD-GB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:21:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5OIL-00058t-9n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:21:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5OHu-0000BB-Hw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:21:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5OHu-0000B1-59 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:21:18 +0000 Received: from mxout02.versatel.de ([212.7.152.119]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5P1C-0007SF-EM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:08:07 +0000 Received: from mx02.versatel.de (mx02.versatel.de [212.7.146.2]) by mxout02.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k14EJqTX001968 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:19:52 +0100 Received: from localhost (webmail2.versatel.de [62.214.100.55]) by mx02.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k14EJqfd010881 for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:19:52 +0100 Received: from i577a6962.versanet.de (i577a6962.versanet.de [87.122.105.98]) by webmail.versatel.de (Horde MIME library) with HTTP for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:19:52 +0100 Message-ID: <20060204151952.pgijwm4yc2eooo40@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:19:52 +0100 From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL><1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru><486075040.20060202130106@dx.ru> <669656179.20060203124044@dx.ru> <002f01c62991$0082b2c0$a1558351@w4o8m9> In-Reply-To: <002f01c62991$0082b2c0$a1558351@w4o8m9> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) Subject: Re: LF: Re: HF_MF2LF #1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Zitat von James Moritz : > Dear Ed, LF Group, > > Just quickly checked your HF frequencies, which are 14213.650kHz and > 14349.972kHz to the nearest Hz - this will make the difference frequency > 136.322kHz, +/- 2Hz. Will be monitoring the frequency this afternoon. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > Hi Ed, hi Jim, I confirm. slightly QRH downwards to the end of each line/dash. both QRGs QSA 9 +20dB using a beam with 5dB gain on 14MHz. regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:27:58 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5OOG-0007yz-Tz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:27:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5OOG-0007y2-EF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:27:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5ONr-0000Jf-RE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:27:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5ONm-0000JW-Cc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 14:27:22 +0000 Received: from [63.240.77.84] (helo=sccrmhc14.comcast.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5P72-0007Wd-MN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 15:14:11 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc14) with SMTP id <2006020414262701400k8vl6e>; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:26:32 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c62996$feefcf00$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL><1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru><486075040.20060202130106@dx.ru> <669656179.20060203124044@dx.ru> <002f01c62991$0082b2c0$a1558351@w4o8m9> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 09:26:27 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: Re: Re: HF_MF2LF #1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Monitoring here as well...just in case. Thanks for the frequency info Jim. Jay, W1VD ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Moritz" To: Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 8:43 AM Subject: LF: Re: HF_MF2LF #1 > Dear Ed, LF Group, > > Just quickly checked your HF frequencies, which are 14213.650kHz and > 14349.972kHz to the nearest Hz - this will make the difference frequency > 136.322kHz, +/- 2Hz. Will be monitoring the frequency this afternoon. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ed Lesnichy > To: > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:40 AM > Subject: LF: HF_MF2LF #1 > > > > Dear LF enthusiasts, > > > > the prospective time-table of HF_MF2LF #1 experiment Feb 4 : > > > > PART 1 > > start 13z - end 1730z > > HF freq: TX1 14350 kHz, TX2 14213.681 kHz > > (14350 - 14213.681 = 136.319) > > RX freq: 136.319 kHz > > > > PART 2 > > start 1735z - end 20z > > HF freq: TX1 1882.319 kHz, TX2 3628.319 kHz > > (2*1882.319 - 3628.319 = 136.319) > > RX freq: 136.319 kHz > > > > PART 3 > > start 2005z - end 22z > > HF freq: TX1 1882.319 kHz, TX2 - broadcastings on 873kHz > > (1882.319 - 2*873 = 136.319) > > RX freq: 136.319 kHz > > > > TX mode: QRSS 30 - "RU RU RU RU ..." > > > > Sunrise on KN97LN at 1425z > > > > List of broadcastings on 873kHz (data from http://www.emwg.info/ > > "Euro-African Medium Wave Guide" edition: January 2006 (pdf 1.2MB): > > LZ 60KW KN22 > > DL 150KW Mannheim > > EA 25KW Casablanca > > EA 25KW Santiago de la Compostela > > G 0.3-1KW Enniskillen and West Lynn > > HA 20KW JN96 > > I 1KW Taranto > > UA2 50KW Kaliningrad > > ER 100KW Moldowa, Chishinau > > UA 600-2000KW KO95(600), LO53(1250) and KO81(2000) > > UR 5KW KN78 > > UR 7-50KW KN38 KO50 > > > > Any reports and ideas are welcomed > > > > 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru http://136.73.ru > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:25:21 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5QDv-000395-SM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:25:21 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5QDv-00038y-PG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:25:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5QDE-0000tY-Ig for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:24:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5QDE-0000tP-3F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:24:36 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5QwY-0008NY-W1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:11:28 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.135] (helo=mx2.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1F5QCs-0002lu-7w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:24:14 +0100 Received: from p54869f35.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.159.53] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx2.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.61 #21) id 1F5QCr-0008VE-Ut for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:24:14 +0100 Message-ID: <43E4D551.2050201@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:24:49 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru> <486075040.20060202130106@dx.ru> <669656179.20060203124044@dx.ru> In-Reply-To: <669656179.20060203124044@dx.ru> Subject: Re: LF: HF_MF2LF #1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Ed and group, been watching 136.319 kHz for a few hours now - nothing yet. But your HF signal is very strong at the moment, though there seems to be a varying difference between the two frequencies (the .350 signal seems to be less stable). But still hoping that the non-linear region of the ionosphere can be reached - or is this wishful thinking for an amateur signal.. Regards, Wolf DL4YHF / DK4U . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:25:24 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5QDz-0007zd-2R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:25:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5QDy-0007yp-Ly for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:25:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5QDo-0000tn-Oj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:25:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5QDn-0000te-OM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 16:25:11 +0000 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5RYX-0002iX-0y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 17:50:59 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id l.2ef.888ced (57317) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:24:20 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <2ef.888ced.31162f34@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 11:24:20 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: Re: HF_MF2LF #1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060001060505080801020302" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060001060505080801020302 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Ed and LF Group,

a frequency measurement at 16:00 gave a slightly different result. The figures are for the beginning and end of a long dash respectively.

f1: 14 213 650.0 to 14 213 650.1 Hz
f2: 14 349 956.5 to 14 349 957.1 Hz

f2-f1: 136 306.5 to 136 307.0 Hz

Centered my Eu-grabber range on 136.307 kHz now, but nothing seen yet. HF signals were strong until 16:05 but went down significantly thereafter.

Kind regards, and good luck for this interesting experiment.

- Markus, DF6NM



In einer eMail vom 04.02.2006 14:45:00 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt james.moritz@btopenworld.com:

Dear Ed, LF Group,

Just quickly checked your HF frequencies, which are 14213.650kHz and
14349.972kHz to the nearest Hz - this will make the difference frequency
136.322kHz, +/- 2Hz. Will be monitoring the frequency this afternoon.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----
From: Ed Lesnichy <ed@dx.ru>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 9:40 AM
Subject: LF: HF_MF2LF #1


>Dear LF enthusiasts,
>
>the prospective time-table of HF_MF2LF #1 experiment Feb 4 :
>
>PART 1
>start 13z - end 1730z
>HF freq: TX1 14350 kHz, TX2 14213.681 kHz
>(14350 - 14213.681 = 136.319)
>RX freq: 136.319 kHz
>
>PART 2
>start 1735z - end 20z
>HF freq: TX1 1882.319 kHz, TX2 3628.319 kHz
>(2*1882.319 - 3628.319 = 136.319)
>RX freq: 136.319 kHz
>
>PART 3
>start 2005z - end 22z
>HF freq: TX1 1882.319 kHz, TX2 - broadcastings on 873kHz
>(1882.319 - 2*873 = 136.319)
>RX freq: 136.319 kHz
>
>TX mode: QRSS 30 - "RU RU RU RU ..."
>
>Sunrise on KN97LN at 1425z
>
>List of broadcastings on 873kHz (data from http://www.emwg.info/
>"Euro-African Medium Wave Guide" edition: January 2006 (pdf 1.2MB):
>LZ 60KW KN22
>DL 150KW Mannheim
>EA 25KW Casablanca
>EA 25KW Santiago de la Compostela
>G 0.3-1KW Enniskillen and West Lynn
>HA 20KW JN96
>I 1KW Taranto
>UA2 50KW Kaliningrad
>ER 100KW Moldowa, Chishinau
>UA 600-2000KW KO95(600), LO53(1250) and KO81(2000)
>UR 5KW KN78
>UR 7-50KW KN38 KO50
>
>Any reports and ideas are welcomed
>
>73! Ed RU6LA  ed@dx.ru  http://136.73.ru
>
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Dear All ,
In my Ropex transmitter I have a class D PA with 2 power fets Fairchild RFP 70N06 with rather generous ratings 70 Amps each and a  max voltage of 60 Volts the supply voltage is 13.8 Volts and a measured output of 154 Watts . When the antenna is mismatched for whatever reason will the Fets break down on voltage  or current peaks ? ( the DC input of 13.8 Volts is properly fused )  and is it possible to prevent voltage breakdown by fitting power zener diodes over the drain and source  of both Fets without spoiling their  efficiency . A fast overcurrentprotection is included in the circuit . The reason for this question is that we had a breakdown in the Ropex Fet final  of PA0VHF while tuning the antenna matching unit out of resonance ( while doing this the input was rather low ) and are wondering what caused it .( The heatsink was not hot at all while tuning up to the rated output )
 
73,William PA0WFO
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:53:49 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5SXd-00037j-3O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:53:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5SXd-00036I-06 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:53:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5SWy-0001ki-4y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:53:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5SWx-0001kZ-Py for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:53:07 +0000 Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.199]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5Trl-0003no-QD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:18:58 +0000 Received: (qmail 24728 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 18:52:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?81.131.60.93?) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.60.93 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 18:52:30 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.1/250]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 18:51:47 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c629bc$0cebac80$5d3c8351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL><1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru><486075040.20060202130106@dx.ru> <669656179.20060203124044@dx.ru> <002f01c62991$0082b2c0$a1558351@w4o8m9> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 18:51:47 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: Re: HF_MF2LF #1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Ed, LF Group, Now seeing your sigs on 1882.314kHz and 3628.208kHz, +/-1Hz. This should make the 3rd order IM product 136.420kHz +/-2Hz. Nice to see some QRSS activity on 160m and 80m - with the "rusty bolt" intermods from the broadcast stations nearby, it is about the only way I can copy DX signals on these bands :-) Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:04:39 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5Si6-0006w1-SA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:04:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5Si6-0006vn-MI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:04:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5ShW-0001tg-6b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:04:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5ShV-0001tX-Px for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:04:01 +0000 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5U2J-0003sX-FE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:29:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 88602 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 19:03:24 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@86.137.120.163 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 19:03:24 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 19:03:37 -0000 Message-ID: <007301c629bd$b416d1f0$f500a8c0@Dell5150> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcYpvbO3ZEI4ps1iTJSCC4Kmkb8oRg== Subject: LF: GPS locked tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear all I have just received this from Peter Martinez G3PLX who is conducting tests with phase coherent GPS-locked signals on LF. He asked me to pass it on to the group so that you'll know what's going on! Dave G3YXM --------------------------------- For info, CT1DRP is now radiating a plain carrier on 136718.75Hz, locked to GPS. To give you an idea of what this means, if he triggered his scope from the GPS 1Hz pulse, set a timebase span of 10uS or so, and looked at his transmitter RF carrier waveform, it first shows a positive-going zero-crossing, then 1 sec later a negative peak, then one sec later a negative-going zero-crossing, and the a positive peak, and repeats that 4 sec sequence with no drift. I am receiving in a similar fashion, and I am now able to measure the received signal phase in absolute terms. It's early days but we hope soon to be able to stay in phase over 24 hours. That means keeping the clocks with which we generate RF at each end in time with each other to within a few uS over a day. The signal itself, of course, drifts late in phase at night and advances in the morning, typically by 2-3 cycles. The significance of the frequency he is using is that it's a nice round number that I can lock to (I work in whole Hz and simple fractions of a Hz) and it's a nice round number that he can generate with his GPS-locked DDS (His DDS steps in multiples of 5000000/(2^32) and 136718.75 is 5MHz*7/256. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:22:43 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5Sza-0002sI-Mu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:22:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5Sza-0002sB-Ix for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:22:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5SzG-00022h-T2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:22:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5SzG-00022Y-F8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:22:22 +0000 Received: from imo-m22.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.3] helo=imo-m22.mail.aol.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5UK5-00046C-Rq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:48:13 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id l.24a.6545d7e (4214) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:21:35 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <24a.6545d7e.311658be@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:21:34 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: Re: HF_MF2LF #2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit In einer eMail vom 04.02.2006 19:53:49 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt james.moritz@btopenworld.com:

Dear Ed, LF Group,

Now seeing your sigs on 1882.314kHz and 3628.208kHz, +/-1Hz. This should
make the 3rd order IM product 136.420kHz +/-2Hz.  Nice to see some QRSS
activity on 160m and 80m - with the "rusty bolt" intermods from the
broadcast stations nearby, it is about the only way I can copy DX signals on
these bands :-)

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:28:00 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5T4h-000595-4Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:28:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5T4g-00058c-UM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:27:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5T4S-0002B2-Qq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:27:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5T4S-0002At-D1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 19:27:44 +0000 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5Tnr-0002Oe-2a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:14:40 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id l.149.55832d5d (4214) for ; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:27:13 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <149.55832d5d.31165a11@aol.com> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 14:27:13 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: HF_MF2LF #1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Ed and Jim,

confirming Jim's measurement, freqs seen here at 19:20 are

2 x 1 882 313.6 - 3 628 208.2 =  136 419.0

73 de Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 04.02.2006 19:53:49 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt james.moritz@btopenworld.com:

Dear Ed, LF Group,

Now seeing your sigs on 1882.314kHz and 3628.208kHz, +/-1Hz. This should
make the 3rd order IM product 136.420kHz +/-2Hz.  Nice to see some QRSS
activity on 160m and 80m - with the "rusty bolt" intermods from the
broadcast stations nearby, it is about the only way I can copy DX signals on
these bands :-)

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:47:09 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5UJI-0002dq-RU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:47:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5UJI-0002dg-MF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:47:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5UIn-0002Z6-6M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:46:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5UIm-0002Yx-RS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:46:36 +0000 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5Vdb-0004eY-TG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:12:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 14488 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 20:45:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.44.3 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 20:45:58 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.1/250]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 20:45:15 +0000 Message-ID: <002901c629cb$e6e97fc0$5d3c8351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL><1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru><486075040.20060202130106@dx.ru> <669656179.20060203124044@dx.ru> <002f01c62991$0082b2c0$a1558351@w4o8m9> <001701c629bc$0cebac80$5d3c8351@w4o8m9> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 20:43:35 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: HF_MF2LF #1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Ed, LF Group, Now seeing your signal on 1882.318kHz. On 873kHz, I see basically 3 carriers, of similar strength, on 873.000kHz, 873.001 and 873.008kHz. This would put the 3rd order product on 136.302kHz, 136.316kHz or 136.318kHz, depending which carrier is effective. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:49:21 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5WDZ-0005zs-4t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:49:21 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5WDZ-0005zi-1Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:49:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5WCe-0003SB-Mp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:48:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5WCe-0003S2-8V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:48:24 +0000 Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.195]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5XXW-0005Kt-2J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 00:14:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 74421 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 22:46:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.123.235 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 22:46:46 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.1/250]); Sat, 04 Feb 2006 22:46:03 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c629dc$c7131ba0$eb7b8351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL><1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> <1941044238.20060201210259@dx.ru><486075040.20060202130106@dx.ru> <669656179.20060203124044@dx.ru> <002f01c62991$0082b2c0$a1558351@w4o8m9> <001701c629bc$0cebac80$5d3c8351@w4o8m9> <002901c629cb$e6e97fc0$5d3c8351@w4o8m9> Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 22:46:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: HF_MF2LF #1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Ed, LF Group, I checked all the screen shots taken from 1400 - 2200utc, but unfortunately no recognisable signals from RU6LA in the 136kHz band were detectable. CT1DRP was visible at the beginning and end of the period, also a quite strong but unidentified signal just above 136.318kHz appeared a couple of times. The QRN level was quite high after about 1700 here. I was able to copy all the HF signals from RU6LA, check the frequencies, and set the LF RX frequency accordingly, so I'm confident if there was a signal to be seen, it would have been on the screen. So, for the time being at least, it seems the best way of transmitting a signal on 136k is to use an LF transmitter :-) Thanks for running an interesting experiment, Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:23:04 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5WkC-00073L-3e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:23:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5WkB-00071W-Sd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:23:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5Wjl-0003gd-Q0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:22:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5Wjl-0003gU-DT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:22:37 +0000 Received: from mxout02.versatel.de ([212.7.152.119]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5Y4e-0005Sa-MU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 00:48:31 +0000 Received: from mx03.versatel.de (mx03.versatel.de [212.7.146.3]) by mxout02.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k14NKwmb021434 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:20:58 +0100 Received: from localhost (webmail2.versatel.de [62.214.100.55]) by mx03.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k14NKwOZ011834 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:20:58 +0100 Received: from i577a51ec.versanet.de (i577a51ec.versanet.de [87.122.81.236]) by webmail.versatel.de (Horde MIME library) with HTTP for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:20:58 +0100 Message-ID: <20060205002058.fggqb79b7ydc4s44@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:20:58 +0100 From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <007301c629bd$b416d1f0$f500a8c0@Dell5150> In-Reply-To: <007301c629bd$b416d1f0$f500a8c0@Dell5150> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) Subject: Re: LF: GPS locked tests Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Zitat von Dave Pick : > Dear all > > I have just received this from Peter Martinez G3PLX who is conducting tests > with phase coherent GPS-locked signals on LF. He asked me to pass it on to > the group so that you'll know what's going on! > > Dave G3YXM > --------------------------------- > > For info, CT1DRP is now radiating a plain carrier on 136718.75Hz, locked to > GPS. To give you an idea of what this means, if he triggered his scope from > the GPS 1Hz pulse, set a timebase span of 10uS or so, and looked at his > transmitter RF carrier waveform, it first shows a positive-going > zero-crossing, then 1 sec later a negative peak, then one sec later a > negative-going zero-crossing, and the a positive peak, and repeats that 4 > sec sequence with no drift. > > I am receiving in a similar fashion, and I am now able to measure the > received signal phase in absolute terms. It's early days but we hope soon to > be able to stay in phase over 24 hours. That means keeping the clocks with > which we generate RF at each end in time with each other to within a few uS > over a day. The signal itself, of course, drifts late in phase at night and > advances in the morning, typically by 2-3 cycles. > > The significance of the frequency he is using is that it's a nice round > number that I can lock to (I work in whole Hz and simple fractions of a Hz) > and it's a nice round number that he can generate with his GPS-locked DDS > (His DDS steps in multiples of 5000000/(2^32) and 136718.75 is 5MHz*7/256. > > > Hi Dave and Peter, CT1DRP stopped the transmitting at 2252UTC, is that correct? regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:24:37 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5Wlg-0006Qo-PE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:24:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5Wlg-0006QX-Jl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:24:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5WlX-0003og-Hm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:24:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5WlX-0003oX-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:24:27 +0000 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.184]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5Y6M-0005Sy-MW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 00:50:21 +0000 Received: from [212.227.126.203] (helo=mrvnet.kundenserver.de) by moutng.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1F5Wkt-0005YH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 00:23:47 +0100 Received: from [172.23.4.159] (helo=pustefix159.kundenserver.de) by mrvnet.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1) id 1F5Wkt-0005Nt-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 00:23:47 +0100 Message-Id: <21388868.47151139095427748.JavaMail.servlet@kundenserver> From: g0kzz@earthwaves.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-Binford: 6100 (more power) X-Mailer: Webmail X-Originating-From: 28884435 X-Routing: UK X-Message-Id: <28884435$1139095427747172.23.4.15925864140@pustefix159.kundenserver.de-1096377749> X-Received: from pustefix159.kundenserver.de by 88.107.111.78 with HTTP id 28884435 for [rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 00:23:47 CET Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 00:23:47 +0100 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de ident:@172.23.4.159 Subject: LF: New LF VLF ULF Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) May be of interest. A new LF VLF ULF Forum has been set up and can be found at: http://www.lf-vlf-ulf-forum.earthwaves.co.uk/ The forum has its own dedicated LF chat rooms too. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:55:40 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5XFj-0004BU-Lu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:55:40 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5XFj-0004BM-Hy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:55:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5XEu-00045Z-AF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:54:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5XEt-00045Q-Tw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:54:47 +0000 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5YZm-0005cO-Mr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 01:20:43 +0000 Received: (qmail 73150 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2006 23:54:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.30.115 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Feb 2006 23:54:05 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c629e6$4a007a40$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 23:53:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: MF2LF and HF2LF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Nothing seen here but it looks from checking later with Markus and Jim's messages as though I may have been monitoring the wrong frequencies. The problem here with only a 5 Hz or so window (30sec slow) is that the starting frequencies need to be known and declared to at least a few parts in 10^8. According to my discussions with Vaino OH2LX some years back in the case of the use of a BC station the effect would only be heard on a fairly narrow angle (20 to 30 degrees from memory) on the opposite side of the BC station to the source. This suggests that the active area is a sort of halo around the BC station. It probably will not be directly overhead the BC station as the radiated power will be a minimum "off the end" of the vertical tower. Audible ICM seems to require driving stations with a power in the 1MW region. Our detection methods are much more sensitive so we should be able to dig down below that with single "tone" and DSP methods. The question is "how does the ionosphere react to lower powers.....will it still produce intermod." One problem could be that if the intermod is created in the F-layer (as with 14MHz signal) the resulting LF product may nor be able to penetrate the lower layers again and may in fact "bounce off" out into space. From that point of view the MF frequencies might be a more productive area to test. I also believe that I have heard ICM (Ionospheric Cross Mod.) most when there has been a geomagnetic storm and lots of absorption. Vaino says there is no confirmation of this in any professional literature and my observations are sporadic and undocumented, but it sounds possible that the "hot" electrons in the D-layer after a storm could produce the effect. If this is the case we may have to wait another 4 or 5 years to confirm it. Cheers de Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:59:14 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5XJA-0000bQ-Dy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:59:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5XJA-0000b9-3R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:59:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5XIh-0004GA-4c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:58:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5XIg-0004G1-F5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:58:42 +0000 Received: from omc3-s21.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.249.95]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5Y27-0003ev-KV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 00:45:43 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.123]) by omc3-s21.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:57:50 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 4 Feb 2006 15:57:50 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.37.244.7 by BAY5-DAV19.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 04 Feb 2006 23:57:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.37.244.7] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:57:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 4 Feb 2006 17:57:45 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Feb 2006 23:57:50.0501 (UTC) FILETIME=[CE2E8550:01C629E6] Subject: LF: XGJ better after sunset... 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Signals coming up fine for Warren's repaired tuner box...
 
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rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Ed, nothing seen here in jo43sv. used different aerials and SpecLab in split mode. the signs on 14MHZ, 3,6MHz, 1,8MHz were strong. regards Uwe/dj8wx Zitat von Ed Lesnichy : > Dear LF enthusiasts, > > the prospective time-table of HF_MF2LF #1 experiment Feb 4 : > > PART 1 > start 13z - end 1730z > HF freq: TX1 14350 kHz, TX2 14213.681 kHz > (14350 - 14213.681 = 136.319) > RX freq: 136.319 kHz > > PART 2 > start 1735z - end 20z > HF freq: TX1 1882.319 kHz, TX2 3628.319 kHz > (2*1882.319 - 3628.319 = 136.319) > RX freq: 136.319 kHz > > PART 3 > start 2005z - end 22z > HF freq: TX1 1882.319 kHz, TX2 - broadcastings on 873kHz > (1882.319 - 2*873 = 136.319) > RX freq: 136.319 kHz > > TX mode: QRSS 30 - "RU RU RU RU ..." > > Sunrise on KN97LN at 1425z > > List of broadcastings on 873kHz (data from http://www.emwg.info/ > "Euro-African Medium Wave Guide" edition: January 2006 (pdf 1.2MB): > LZ 60KW KN22 > DL 150KW Mannheim > EA 25KW Casablanca > EA 25KW Santiago de la Compostela > G 0.3-1KW Enniskillen and West Lynn > HA 20KW JN96 > I 1KW Taranto > UA2 50KW Kaliningrad > ER 100KW Moldowa, Chishinau > UA 600-2000KW KO95(600), LO53(1250) and KO81(2000) > UR 5KW KN78 > UR 7-50KW KN38 KO50 > > Any reports and ideas are welcomed > > 73! 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Hello all , on the list !
 
The last night very good copy of the NA beacon :
 
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spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5g1f-0007pM-Cd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:17:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5g1f-0007pF-7z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:17:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5g1I-0000qI-Lw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:17:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5g1I-0000q9-6p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:17:20 +0000 Received: from olympus.pncl.co.uk ([195.224.180.233] helo=olive.pncl.co.uk) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5gkx-0006xG-Vu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:04:33 +0000 Received: from AUG2004 (81-6-246-23.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [81.6.246.23]) (authenticated bits=0) by olive.pncl.co.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k159GDlw024203 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:16:13 GMT Message-ID: <007001c62a34$97e808b0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 09:14:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Pinnacle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Pinnacle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: blanch@pncl.co.uk Subject: LF: {Spam?} Active_antennas Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
The theory behind the "height gain" observed using small LF active antennas at different heights has to do with compression of the near-earth LF potential gradient caused by the grounded "mast" holding the antenna.
The essential bit is that there is a grounded connection between the antenna and receiver, which may be just the outer of the co-ax cable. It would be an interesting experiment to repeat the "height gain" experiment without any connection to ground. This could be done by building an active antenna with a little transmitter to re-radiate the received LF signal (on 2.4 GHz?) and poking it up using a fibreglass mast. If the theory is right then there wouldn't be any height gain. Might do it myself sometime but anyone else interested?
 
 Walter G3JKV.
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:49:43 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5gWd-0004SO-G3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:49:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5gWd-0004SH-8K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:49:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5gWB-00017E-2r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:49:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5gWA-000175-El for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:49:14 +0000 Received: from post-25.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.195]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5hFr-00074g-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:36:28 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:15342 helo=pcroelof) by post-25.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5gUY-000NWa-9D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:47:35 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c62a39$2a0ee700$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001201c62a20$9c438ab0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:47:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: T/A February 5 XGJ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050007080003060507080900" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050007080003060507080900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all, Nice copy of WD2XGJ and VO1NA, though the band got quite noisy. 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20060205103203276.437BA1C00259@mwinf0101.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <200602051131570102.0488A03E@smtp.wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <007001c62a34$97e808b0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> References: <007001c62a34$97e808b0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:31:57 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: r.gill@bcra.org.uk Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: {Spam?} Active_antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) G8DSU has been doing some measurements on height gain at UHF and is also interested in active antennas at LF for cave radio purposes. I will copy this to him because I'm not sure whether he is currently reading this list. John G3PAI *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 05/02/2006 at 09:14 Walter Blanchard wrote: >The theory behind the "height gain" observed using small LF active >antennas at different heights has to do with compression of the near-earth >LF potential gradient caused by the grounded "mast" holding the antenna. >The essential bit is that there is a grounded connection between the >antenna and receiver, which may be just the outer of the co-ax cable. It >would be an interesting experiment to repeat the "height gain" experiment >without any connection to ground. This could be done by building an active >antenna with a little transmitter to re-radiate the received LF signal (on >2.4 GHz?) and poking it up using a fibreglass mast. If the theory is right >then there wouldn't be any height gain. Might do it myself sometime but >anyone else interested? > > Walter G3JKV. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:44:56 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5hO3-0007D0-He for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:44:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5hO3-0007BX-Ah for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:44:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5hNl-0001k0-Ci for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:44:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5hNk-0001jr-VH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:44:36 +0000 Received: from [62.24.128.121] (helo=smtp.talktalk.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5iio-0007ek-AL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:10:42 +0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [84.13.28.139]) (84.13.28.139) by smtp.talktalk.net with ESMTP; 05 Feb 2006 10:43:59 +0000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.375 [267.15.0/249]); Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:44:02 +0000 Message-ID: <007701c62a41$1414dbf0$8b1c0d54@traceydlqceh0p> From: "Tracey Gardner" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <007001c62a34$97e808b0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:44:02 -0000 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Active_antennas Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070908000106010008000305" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070908000106010008000305 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
The theory behind the "height gain" observed using small LF active antennas at different heights has to do with compression of the near-earth LF potential gradient caused by the grounded "mast" holding the antenna.
The essential bit is that there is a grounded connection between the antenna and receiver, which may be just the outer of the co-ax cable.
It would be an interesting experiment to repeat the "height gain" experiment without any connection to ground.
This could be done by building an active antenna with a little transmitter to re-radiate the received LF signal (on 2.4 GHz?) and poking it up using a fibreglass mast. 
If the theory is right then there wouldn't be any height gain.
 
 
 
Sticking to the KISS principle, how about hauling say, a battery powered SPM-3 selective level meter up a fibreglass mast and observing the signal strength at various heights through a pair of binoculars? :-)
 
Tracey
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Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.0/249 - Release Date: 02/02/2006 --------------070908000106010008000305-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:49:22 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5hSL-0006PV-U7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:49:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5hSL-0006PI-Q7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:49:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5hSC-0001pU-QC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:49:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5hSC-0001pL-EL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:49:12 +0000 Received: from olympus.pncl.co.uk ([195.224.180.233] helo=olive.pncl.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5inG-0007ie-SF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:15:18 +0000 Received: from AUG2004 (81-6-246-23.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [81.6.246.23]) (authenticated bits=0) by olive.pncl.co.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15AnsPm011007 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:49:54 GMT Message-ID: <001901c62a41$ae6c45d0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <007001c62a34$97e808b0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> <200602051131570102.0488A03E@smtp.wanadoo.fr> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:48:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Pinnacle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Pinnacle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: blanch@pncl.co.uk Subject: {Spam?} Re: LF: {Spam?} Active_antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) John, "Height gain" at LF/MF is caused by quite a different mechanism from the "height gain" at VHF. VHF observations are irrelevant, I'm afraid. Walter G3JKV. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John RABSON" To: Cc: Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 10:31 AM Subject: Re: LF: {Spam?} Active_antennas > G8DSU has been doing some measurements on height gain at UHF and is also > interested in active antennas at LF for cave radio purposes. I will copy > this to him because I'm not sure whether he is currently reading this > list. > > John G3PAI > > *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** > > On 05/02/2006 at 09:14 Walter Blanchard wrote: > >>The theory behind the "height gain" observed using small LF active >>antennas at different heights has to do with compression of the near-earth >>LF potential gradient caused by the grounded "mast" holding the antenna. >>The essential bit is that there is a grounded connection between the >>antenna and receiver, which may be just the outer of the co-ax cable. It >>would be an interesting experiment to repeat the "height gain" experiment >>without any connection to ground. This could be done by building an active >>antenna with a little transmitter to re-radiate the received LF signal (on >>2.4 GHz?) and poking it up using a fibreglass mast. If the theory is right >>then there wouldn't be any height gain. Might do it myself sometime but >>anyone else interested? >> >> Walter G3JKV. > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:54:52 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5hXf-00075i-W3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:54:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5hXf-00075U-NX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:54:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5hXP-0001y7-Ci for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:54:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5hXO-0001xy-V6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 10:54:35 +0000 Received: from olympus.pncl.co.uk ([195.224.180.233] helo=olive.pncl.co.uk) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5iH7-0007Pr-0n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 11:41:50 +0000 Received: from AUG2004 (81-6-246-23.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [81.6.246.23]) (authenticated bits=0) by olive.pncl.co.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15ArXI0011926 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:53:33 GMT Message-ID: <002601c62a42$3124c7e0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <007001c62a34$97e808b0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> <007701c62a41$1414dbf0$8b1c0d54@traceydlqceh0p> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 10:51:57 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Pinnacle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Pinnacle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: blanch@pncl.co.uk Subject: LF: {Spam?} Re: Active_antennas Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Or any other battery rx for that matter if your binocs (and arms) are strong enough! The effect can be seen on MW b/c stations.
Walter.
 
Sticking to the KISS principle, how about hauling say, a battery powered SPM-3 selective level meter up a fibreglass mast and observing the signal strength at various heights through a pair of binoculars? :-)
 
Tracey

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Or any other battery rx for that matter if your binocs (and arms) are strong enough! The effect can be seen on MW b/c stations.Walter.
 
How high would you need/want to go?
An SPM-3 isn't too heavy.
 
Tracey
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Hi All
One more new CW stn on the band G8CYW. He had his first QSO with me this morning on CW, and was 579 and should be heard elswhere.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:07:34 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5ig1-0000Xy-Tc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:07:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5ig1-0000Xn-PI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:07:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5ifl-0002es-FF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:07:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5ifk-0002ej-Q1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:07:16 +0000 Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.197]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5jPU-0007h7-7x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:54:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 76715 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 12:06:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.86.28 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 12:06:53 -0000 Message-ID: <00a501c62a4c$a93769e0$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <007001c62a34$97e808b0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 11:57:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: {Spam?} Active_antennas Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Walter I have been considering the possiblilty of using one of those 2.4GHz video "wireless-link" thingys. I am not sure how much power they need or how much signal they would need to give a reasonable dynamic range at the receiver. You may need to build a full LF TRF RX at the aerial to give the 0dBm signal that the link really needs. They are quite cheap now, I saw a new one for under Ł30 the other day. That's almost cheaper than a roll of coax !
 
I think I agree with you if the "reference" is the box the active aerial is in, then there should be no "height-gain", because one is sampling the same small segment of the wave front. I was trying to make the point that a lot of people seem to think that an active whip will work wonders at ground level, or on the desk, when it really needs getting as high in the air as you can, to give really useful results at LF.
 
Cheers de Alan G3NYK
 
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The theory behind the "height gain" observed using small LF active antennas at different heights has to do with compression of the near-earth LF potential gradient caused by the grounded "mast" holding the antenna.
The essential bit is that there is a grounded connection between the antenna and receiver, which may be just the outer of the co-ax cable. It would be an interesting experiment to repeat the "height gain" experiment without any connection to ground. This could be done by building an active antenna with a little transmitter to re-radiate the received LF signal (on 2.4 GHz?) and poking it up using a fibreglass mast. If the theory is right then there wouldn't be any height gain. Might do it myself sometime but anyone else interested?
 
 Walter G3JKV.
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:19:37 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5ire-0003IO-Te for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:19:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5ire-0003Hk-Pc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:19:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5irI-0002pi-6e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:19:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5irH-0002pZ-SU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 12:19:11 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.200.82]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5kCJ-0008GN-T5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:45:18 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060205121826012007vlmqe>; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 12:18:26 +0000 Message-ID: <003801c62a4e$440a9e00$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 07:18:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA 5 JAN 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) High static levels continued overnight...but the good new is the storm is finally moving on. Seasonable temps are returning so reception should get back to normal. Snagged CT1DRP before Brian shut down early and several 'NM' s. Short ID sure helped last night, Markus. http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:24:54 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5jsq-0007yb-3m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:24:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5jsp-0007yG-U4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:24:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5js9-0003IY-Cn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:24:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5js8-0003IP-MV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:24:08 +0000 Received: from mxsf24.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.224]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5kbs-0008Dh-Sz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:11:27 +0000 Received: from mxip29a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip29a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.188]) by mxsf24.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k15DNLBG004472 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 08:23:22 -0500 Received: from 68-118-232-97.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([68.118.232.97]) by mxip29a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 05 Feb 2006 08:23:21 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,89,1139202000"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145"; a="795902873:sNHT24600864" Message-ID: <43E5FC9D.6040006@w1tag.com> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:24:45 +0000 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003801c62a4e$440a9e00$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> In-Reply-To: <003801c62a4e$440a9e00$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> Subject: Re: LF: TA 5 JAN 06 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030303030801070200030904" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030303030801070200030904 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Noise from my neighbors seems to be a bigger problem than noise from the sky these days, but I did catch a couple of "NM's" around 0300 UTC:


I join Jay in thanking you for the short ID, Markus!

John A.
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(Exim 4.14) id 1F5jsc-0003O8-1q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:24:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5jsb-0003Nz-Le for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 13:24:37 +0000 Received: from olympus.pncl.co.uk ([195.224.180.233] helo=olive.pncl.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5lDi-0000Mg-I5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:50:45 +0000 Received: from AUG2004 (81-6-246-23.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [81.6.246.23]) (authenticated bits=0) by olive.pncl.co.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k15DOtA9008923 for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:24:55 GMT Message-ID: <001301c62a57$561a18b0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <007001c62a34$97e808b0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> <007701c62a41$1414dbf0$8b1c0d54@traceydlqceh0p> <002601c62a42$3124c7e0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> <009201c62a43$98b56d00$8b1c0d54@traceydlqceh0p> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 13:23:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Pinnacle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Pinnacle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: blanch@pncl.co.uk Subject: LF: {Spam?} Re: Active_antennas Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Higher the better but the added gain is a function of SQRT(height) so there's a practical limit.
Most gain in the first 20m.
Walter G3JKV.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 11:02 AM
Subject: LF: Active_antennas

 
Or any other battery rx for that matter if your binocs (and arms) are strong enough! The effect can be seen on MW b/c stations.Walter.
 
How high would you need/want to go?
An SPM-3 isn't too heavy.
 
Tracey

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:20:34 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5kkg-0001yZ-40 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:20:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5kkg-0001xb-0c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:20:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5kk9-0003rr-JX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:19:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5kk9-0003ri-6u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 14:19:57 +0000 Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.84]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5lTu-0000CV-TT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:07:16 +0000 Received: from fwd33.aul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F5kjm-000485-01; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 15:19:34 +0100 Received: from HW1 (Gl+iXaZlYeFBbtEeTLneJFOMZQHfSa0jcveojV40gR82309Hwb+a4H@[84.133.94.181]) by fwd33.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F5kjX-1fj0nQ0; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:19:19 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 15:19:16 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1438779351.20060205151916@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: Gl+iXaZlYeFBbtEeTLneJFOMZQHfSa0jcveojV40gR82309Hwb+a4H X-TOI-MSGID: d32439e1-d231-49d6-8116-38069a7a7e66 Subject: LF: TA Feb, 4/5th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Good early copy of VO1NA, WD2XGJ and WD2XKO. Later the night my antenna remote control failed and the F/B ratio was about 20dB down. The sideband noise of the DCF39 increased. Despite the failure copied the QRSS10 transmission of VO1NA 02.20-02:50. Captures: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:10:29 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5mT5-0004is-QX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:10:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5mT5-0004gF-Mk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:10:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5mS5-0004iX-DJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:09:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5mS5-0004iO-2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:09:25 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5nnA-0001On-CI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:35:35 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter74.comcast.net ([204.127.197.156]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060205160830m13009grffe>; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:08:36 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter74.comcast.net; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:08:21 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:08:21 +0000 Message-Id: <020520061608.27472.43E622F4000D440300006B5022073000330B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: TA Feb, 4/5th X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hartmut, Nice captures! You even caught Bill A. and I testing my ATU with continuous key downs from 21:10-21:20 at 250 watts out and 21:35-21:45 with 1 kW output. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Hartmut Wolff > Good early copy of VO1NA, WD2XGJ and WD2XKO. Later the night my > antenna remote control failed and the F/B ratio was about 20dB down. > The sideband noise of the DCF39 increased. > Despite the failure copied the QRSS10 transmission of VO1NA > 02.20-02:50. > > Captures: > > http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm > > > 73 > Hartmut > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:16:46 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5mZB-0003U8-DF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:16:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5mZB-0003Ts-A6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:16:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5mYw-0004o0-6r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:16:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5mYv-0004nr-S4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:16:29 +0000 Received: from [216.148.227.153] (helo=rwcrmhc13.comcast.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5nu0-0001VI-Hd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:42:40 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter79.comcast.net ([204.127.197.179]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060205161542m13009d70ke>; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:15:43 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter79.comcast.net; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:15:36 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: =?windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:15:36 +0000 Message-Id: <020520061615.1477.43E624A8000BA06D000005C522007610640B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: TA [3] X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the nice capture! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jean-Pierre Méré > > Hello all , on the list ! > > The last night very good copy of the NA beacon : > > 02:00 to 02:30 XGJ > 03:00 to 06:30 NA > 05:30 to 06:30 XKO > > See attachment. > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:18:22 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5mai-0004KS-M3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:18:21 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5mai-0004Jz-I1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:18:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5maM-0004pl-SX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:17:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5maM-0004pb-Hj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:17:58 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.192.81]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5nvS-0001WJ-7q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:44:09 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter04.comcast.net ([204.127.197.114]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060205161702m11005vntae>; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:17:12 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter04.comcast.net; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:16:51 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Jean-Pierre Godet Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:16:51 +0000 Message-Id: <020520061616.17687.43E624F30006F0CD0000451722007503300B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: NA and XGJ last night 2/2 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Jean-Pierre, Thank you for the capture from France! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jean-Pierre Godet > > Same local cdx : > NA : 0215 ==> 0515 UTC ; > XGJ : 0145 ==> 0230 UTC. > > Best 73 to all ! > > Jean-Pierre f5yg > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:23:00 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5mfC-0002en-8i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:23:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5mfC-0002ec-3v for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:22:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5meo-0004ye-2L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:22:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5men-0004yV-NN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:22:33 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([204.127.192.84]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5nzt-0001a9-Es for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:48:44 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter74.comcast.net ([204.127.197.156]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060205162142m14005c8c4e>; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 16:21:47 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter74.comcast.net; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:21:41 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "Roelof Bakker" Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:21:41 +0000 Message-Id: <020520061621.13935.43E6261500072A7A0000366F22073000330B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: T/A February 5 XGJ X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Roelof, Thank you for sending the capture, very impressive for anyone, and even more impressive with the Mini-Whip antenna! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Roelof Bakker" > Hello all, > > Nice copy of WD2XGJ and VO1NA, though the band got quite noisy. > > Best regards, > Roelof > ========================================================= > From: Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > Location: Middelburg, Zealand SW Netherlands, 51 30 02 N, 03 36 02 E > > Receiver: > Tuneable pre-amp, SPM-30 with 20 Hz filter > home made pitch shifter. > > Aerial: pa0rdt-Mini-Whip-half pint (actual size: build in half a film > canister) mounted 5 metre high in a Magnolia tree ========================================================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:44:19 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5mzo-00081k-KB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:44:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5mzn-0007uo-Nh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:44:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5mz4-0005HC-FM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:43:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5mz4-0005H3-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:43:30 +0000 Received: from post-22.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.192]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5oKE-0001iQ-Am for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 18:09:41 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:15367 helo=pcroelof) by post-22.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5myT-000KSZ-S7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 16:42:54 +0000 Message-ID: <002601c62a73$2f204f10$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <007001c62a34$97e808b0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> <007701c62a41$1414dbf0$8b1c0d54@traceydlqceh0p> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:42:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: Active_antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello Walter, Tracey, Alan, It happens to be that I own a battery powered SPM-3 and I have often used a (mini) whip without any connection to ground. As a whip is a monopole some counterpoise is necessary. I gathered that this happened by capacitive coupling between the case of the SPM-3 and earth (the real thing). As the (mini) whips capacitance is small, the value of the capacitor to earth need not be very large. This was confirmed when I lifted the SPM-3 from the plastic garden table and put it on the ground: the signal level increased. If I remember correct it was in the order of 1 dB or so. Regarding Tracey's suggestion, when the weather is a bit more like it, I will hoist the contraption up a fiberglass pole. The only problem is that the capacitance of the SPM-3 to ground will be substantial larger than from the (mini) whip. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:26:07 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5neE-0008V2-LQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:26:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5neE-0008Pz-Cr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:26:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5ndh-0005hF-13 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:25:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5ndg-0005h6-LK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:25:28 +0000 Received: from dx.ru ([80.68.4.13] helo=relay.dx.ru) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5oyn-0001uD-Lz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 18:51:40 +0000 Received: (qmail 13392 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2006 20:24:38 +0300 Received: from ed.dx (ed@10.0.1.11) by unix.dx with SMTP; 5 Feb 2006 20:24:38 +0300 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:24:20 +0300 From: Ed Lesnichy X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0) Professional Organization: Ed Lesnichy X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1588943162.20060205172420@dx.ru> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> References: <000701c62720$be51b3a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <1246025403.20060201202249@dx.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Re: RU6LA acty 3-5 Feb Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020009000608080608080205" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020009000608080608080205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear LF enthusiasts, just now has returned from a Machta TNX for the many reports! (I'll analyze later - from Fri over 540 msgs in my eBox!) but I believe at me there were problems on stability TX's freq on HF in QRSS30 and calibration(??) There was a very high activity on 136 on Friday! but not for me - abt 2030z my PA was POOOFFF ;-((( Probably PA(some elements) has not sustained test of very low temperatures during the previous month (down to -32..-34 deg C some days) in our field day shak agn not worked YO2IS - new one for me ;-((( not RX (!) though in the same time has RX PA3CPM TA reception: 3-4 Feb VO1NA and traces XKO - QRN's level high abt +6..10db from normal Best level NA and XKO at 0130...0240z Strong day time propagation - at abt 10z DL4EIU O FB and audible S4-5! 4-5 Feb - very good condition all night! start TA windows from 2340z - very strong VO1NA and traces XKO abt 0240z very strong VO1NA (maybe QRSS3 or 10 ??) - see attach Joe and Dex were visible during abt 2h after sunrise on a Machta (0450z) Any signal on 137,7787 (???) TNX for efforts and reports! The strong frosts again come back to us ;-( 73! 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ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5o0P-0003VJ-S7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:49:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5o0P-0003Un-K2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:48:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5o04-0005tc-6A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:48:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5o03-0005tT-4Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:48:35 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([216.148.227.151]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5ojo-00031S-0j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 18:35:58 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter15.comcast.net ([204.127.197.125]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060205174714m11005ugebe>; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 17:47:23 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter15.comcast.net; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:47:01 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Ed Lesnichy Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 17:47:01 +0000 Message-Id: <020520061747.27547.43E63A150000E2F600006B9B22058861720B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RU6LA acty 3-5 Feb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Ed, WD2XGJ was on 137.77987 last night running 1kW until 04:00 UTC, 250 watts out after 04:00 UTC. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Ed Lesnichy > Dear LF enthusiasts, > just now has returned from a Machta > > TNX for the many reports! (I'll analyze later - from Fri over 540 msgs > in my eBox!) but I believe at me there were problems on stability TX's > freq on HF in QRSS30 and calibration(??) > > There was a very high activity on 136 on Friday! > but not for me - abt 2030z my PA was POOOFFF ;-((( > Probably PA(some elements) has not sustained test of very low temperatures > during the previous month (down to -32..-34 deg C some days) in our > field day shak > agn not worked YO2IS - new one for me ;-((( not RX (!) though in the same > time has RX PA3CPM > > TA reception: > 3-4 Feb VO1NA and traces XKO - QRN's level high abt +6..10db from normal > Best level NA and XKO at 0130...0240z > Strong day time propagation - at abt 10z DL4EIU O FB and audible S4-5! > 4-5 Feb - very good condition all night! > start TA windows from 2340z - very strong VO1NA and traces XKO > abt 0240z very strong VO1NA (maybe QRSS3 or 10 ??) - see attach > Joe and Dex were visible during abt 2h after sunrise on a Machta (0450z) > Any signal on 137,7787 (???) > > TNX for efforts and reports! > The strong frosts again come back to us ;-( > 73! Ed RU6LA ed@dx.ru http://136.73.ru From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:05:33 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5q8Y-0007Hg-SK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:05:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5q8Y-0007GG-Oj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:05:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5q88-0006do-6w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:05:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5q87-0006df-Q5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:05:03 +0000 Received: from post-25.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.195]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5qs1-00041F-PY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:52:30 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:15390 helo=pcroelof) by post-25.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5q6Y-0003kX-JY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:03:27 +0000 Message-ID: <002701c62a8f$32f75e00$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <007001c62a34$97e808b0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> <007701c62a41$1414dbf0$8b1c0d54@traceydlqceh0p> <002601c62a42$3124c7e0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> <000b01c62a87$74734220$8ae8fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:03:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: Re: {Spam?} Re: Active_antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello Mal, Though obvious at first thought, it might work different in practice. I have tested my mini-whip on a local NDB at 399.5 kHz mounted 4 metre up on a fiberglass pole. The antenna was then pushed outside an upstairs window in the same position as before. The same pole and coax cable were used. The pole and the coax taped to it were horizontal in the second test. I could not find a difference in signal strength. Using an appropriate cable choke next to the antenna had also no influence on received signal strength. Though it reduced local noise quite a bit. The same happens when I connect a cable choke next to the receiver. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:58:44 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5qy4-0007rw-4e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:58:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5qy3-0007r8-US for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:58:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5qxG-0006tr-Gt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:57:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5qxG-0006ti-3Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 20:57:54 +0000 Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5sIU-0003Xq-Ff for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:24:09 +0000 Received: from fwd30.aul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F5qvi-0001wf-02; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 21:56:18 +0100 Received: from HW1 (TJt3HuZJoetDTVVapoaQ3hkR4hOX5-EALaO7kGzRsNtQUjL5KCXkcb@[84.133.94.181]) by fwd30.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F5qvZ-1MjGKG0; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:56:09 +0100 Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 21:56:09 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <528417135.20060205215609@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: TJt3HuZJoetDTVVapoaQ3hkR4hOX5-EALaO7kGzRsNtQUjL5KCXkcb X-TOI-MSGID: 22b0f76f-6b3c-4da5-9086-a2037ccbe83a Subject: LF: Early T/A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) "NA" and "XGJ" appeared here about 20:10 UTC. 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:44:33 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5scN-00066n-Tx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:44:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F5scM-0005uo-VA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:44:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F5sax-0007Ii-8R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:42:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F5saw-0007IZ-JP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:42:58 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([216.148.227.151]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F5tKs-0004vy-MV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 23:30:28 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter77.comcast.net ([204.127.197.177]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060205224152m11005soqse>; Sun, 5 Feb 2006 22:41:52 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter77.comcast.net; Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:41:51 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Hartmut Wolff Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2006 22:41:51 +0000 Message-Id: <020520062241.8856.43E67F2F00022FC50000229822007510900B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: Early T/A X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hartmut, Thanks for the report. 20:10 is almost two full hours before the official sunset here in Boston which is 22:04 UTC. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Hartmut Wolff > "NA" and "XGJ" appeared here about 20:10 UTC. > > 73 > Hartmut > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 07:27:41 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F60mh-0004i5-AI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 07:27:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F60mh-0004hU-5g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 07:27:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F60lq-0000I5-B5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; 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Hello all , on the list !
 
The last night copy of the TA beacon :
 
01:00 to 01:30  XGJ
03:00 to 03:30  XGJ 
04:00 to 06:00  XGJ , XKO
07:00 to 08:30  XKO
 
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 07:42:29 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6111-0006V2-AI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 07:42:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6110-0006UU-Um for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 07:42:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F610k-0000PI-Sb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 07:42:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F610k-0000P9-9C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 07:42:10 +0000 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F61ks-0007Zg-Ik for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 08:29:51 +0000 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.150]) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 06 Feb 2006 08:40:43 +0100 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id k167ee5i008280 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 08:40:41 +0100 (MET) Received: from [10.61.80.27] (ams-clip-vpn-dhcp4124.cisco.com [10.61.80.27]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA25954 for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:40:38 GMT Message-ID: <43E6FD76.4060304@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 07:40:38 +0000 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <007001c62a34$97e808b0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> In-Reply-To: <007001c62a34$97e808b0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> Subject: Re: LF: {Spam?} Active_antennas Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Isn't there also a shielding effect that needs to be considered?

Once the antenna is the highest object in the area, I can see
that extra height might be a marginal effect. However as the
antenna is lowered the field is shielded from it by the
surroundings. It's like lowering the antenna into a 5
sided Faraday box, with the open side much less than a
wavelength across.

- Stewart G3YSX

Walter Blanchard wrote:
The theory behind the "height gain" observed using small LF active antennas at different heights has to do with compression of the near-earth LF potential gradient caused by the grounded "mast" holding the antenna.
The essential bit is that there is a grounded connection between the antenna and receiver, which may be just the outer of the co-ax cable. It would be an interesting experiment to repeat the "height gain" experiment without any connection to ground. This could be done by building an active antenna with a little transmitter to re-radiate the received LF signal (on 2.4 GHz?) and poking it up using a fibreglass mast. If the theory is right then there wouldn't be any height gain. Might do it myself sometime but anyone else interested?
 
 Walter G3JKV.
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 09:20:03 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F62XM-0002uA-Og for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 09:20:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F62XM-0002DN-Kt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 09:19:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F62UB-0000is-Sl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 09:16:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F62UB-0000ij-AE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 09:16:39 +0000 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.29]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F63EL-0008Cu-T6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:04:22 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0206.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 70C211C001DE for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:15:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from Mix-Amiens-107-4-106.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (Mix-Amiens-107-4-106.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.70.106]) by mwinf0206.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AB0E31C001DA for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:15:58 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060206091558700.AB0E31C001DA@mwinf0206.wanadoo.fr Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:15:26 +0100 (CET) From: Jean-Pierre Godet X-X-Sender: godetj@comcon2.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <007301c629bd$b416d1f0$f500a8c0@Dell5150> Message-ID: References: <007301c629bd$b416d1f0$f500a8c0@Dell5150> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: XGJ and XKO feb. 6th Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Difficult, with heavy static noise : XGJ abt 0100 ==> 0330 UTC ; XKO abt 0300 ==> 0415 UTC. 73 all ! f5yg -- Jean-Pierre Godet - Powered by Linux (Slackware 10.0 - kernel 2.4.26) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:25:50 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F63Z6-0001RE-U8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:25:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F63Z6-0001Qz-PL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:25:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F63Yd-00011W-1o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:25:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F63Yc-00011N-MY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 10:25:18 +0000 Received: from smtpout0159.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.159] helo=n082.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F64u3-0007wy-Sz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 11:51:47 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.228.110) by n082.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43E3F79300029EC9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 10:24:37 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c62b07$84758ea0$6ee4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <007001c62a34$97e808b0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> <007701c62a41$1414dbf0$8b1c0d54@traceydlqceh0p> <002601c62a73$2f204f10$2201a8c0@pcroelof> Date: Sun, 5 Feb 2006 19:14:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Active_antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roelof Bakker" To: Sent: Sunday, February 05, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: LF: Re: Active_antennas > Hello Walter, Tracey, Alan, > > It happens to be that I own a battery powered SPM-3 and I have often used a > (mini) whip without any connection to ground. As a whip is a monopole some > counterpoise is necessary. Watch the counterpoise effect because, if it is long this could become the antenna. Try using the counterpoise itself as an antenna and the signal could be stronger than via the actual antenna !! I gathered that this happened by capacitive > coupling between the case of the SPM-3 and earth (the real thing). As the > (mini) whips capacitance is small, the value of the capacitor to earth need > not be very large. > > This was confirmed when I lifted the SPM-3 from the plastic garden table and > put it on the ground: the signal level increased. If I remember correct it > was in the order of 1 dB or so. > > Regarding Tracey's suggestion, when the weather is a bit more like it, I > will hoist the contraption up a fiberglass pole. The only problem is that > the capacitance of the SPM-3 to ground will be substantial larger than from > the (mini) whip. > > Best regards, > > Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:36:07 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F65bD-0005Ce-51 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:36:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F65bC-0005CG-Qv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:36:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F65aA-0001Xe-Ns for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:35:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F65aA-0001XV-Dj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 12:35:02 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.192.81]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F66vd-0000ca-Pm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 14:01:32 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060206123420m11005t92ce>; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:34:20 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c62b19$a70c0f40$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 07:34:19 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) WD2XNS was in tx mode last night...so no TA captures. Will return to rx tonight if signals are present. Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:03:32 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F661i-0005Rn-Ca for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:03:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F661i-0005PR-6h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:03:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F660x-0001iC-CR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:02:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F660w-0001i3-Ol for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:02:42 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F67MO-0000zH-8Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 14:29:13 +0000 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1F660E-0005oC-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:01:58 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1F660Q-0003pg-BE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 13:02:10 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 12:58:39 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c62b1d$0cf35f40$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002c01c629b3$e8210240$b79a8418@MARLEEN> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: Re: More smoke... 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Dear William, LF Group,

 

Power MOSFETs work like big zener diodes anyway – if you exceed the drain-source breakdown voltage, avalanche occurs and the voltage is clamped, usually about 20 – 40% above the BVdss value (60V in this case). This does not harm the MOSFET directly, but does result in high power dissipation – if breakdown occurs at 80V, and the clamping current is 10A, 800W will be dissipated. This is OK if it only occurs during short, infrequent voltage “spikes”, but if the high voltage transients occur with a large duty cycle, the MOSFET will quickly overheat. It might be possible to connect high-power zeners across the MOSFET with a slightly lower breakdown voltage than the MOSFETs, but then the problem would be how to protect the zeners!

 

The current rating of these devices is so high it is unlikely the power supply will be able to deliver enough sustained current to cause them any problem. Power dissipation under mis-matched conditions could be a problem – although each device is rated at 150W, this refers to a case temperature of 25C. In reality, the case temperature will get much higher, limiting continuous power dissipation to maybe 50W or less per device without exceeding the junction temperature rating. If it is somehow possible for large transient voltages (greater than about 20V) to occur between the gate and source terminals, this will blow a hole in the gate oxide and destroy the device immediately.

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of PA0WFO
Sent: 04 February 2006 17:53
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: Re: More smoke...

 

Dear All ,

In my Ropex transmitter I have a class D PA with 2 power fets Fairchild RFP 70N06 with rather generous ratings 70 Amps each and a  max voltage of 60 Volts the supply voltage is 13.8 Volts and a measured output of 154 Watts . When the antenna is mismatched for whatever reason will the Fets break down on voltage  or current peaks ? ( the DC input of 13.8 Volts is properly fused )  and is it possible to prevent voltage breakdown by fitting power zener diodes over the drain and source  of both Fets without spoiling their  efficiency . A fast overcurrentprotection is included in the circuit . The reason for this question is that we had a breakdown in the Ropex Fet final  of PA0VHF while tuning the antenna matching unit out of resonance ( while doing this the input was rather low ) and are wondering what caused it .( The heatsink was not hot at all while tuning up to the rated output )

 

73,William PA0WFO 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:50:23 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F68dC-0000Td-7U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:50:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F68dC-0000TS-02 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:50:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F68bo-0002JK-91 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:48:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F68bn-0002JB-NA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 15:48:55 +0000 Received: from amsfep11-int.chello.nl ([213.46.243.19] helo=amsfep19-int.chello.nl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F69xJ-0002Xk-QF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:15:29 +0000 Received: from MARLEEN ([24.132.154.183]) by amsfep19-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20060206154811.OUTQ11483.amsfep19-int.chello.nl@MARLEEN> for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:48:11 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c62b34$bcb30360$b79a8418@MARLEEN> From: "PA0WFO" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c62b1d$0cf35f40$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 16:48:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Subject: LF: Re: Re: More smoke... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear Jim , LF group .
Tnx for your explanation of what happens inside the FETS . after reading your comment and of several others I think it will be wise to measure the SWR between the TX and antenna / matching network at a low level before firing up to full output and to connect the SWR measuring circuit to the overcurrent  protection circuit of the ROPEX .
73, William PA0WFO
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2006 1:58 PM
Subject: LF: Re: More smoke...

Dear William, LF Group,

 

Power MOSFETs work like big zener diodes anyway – if you exceed the drain-source breakdown voltage, avalanche occurs and the voltage is clamped, usually about 20 – 40% above the BVdss value (60V in this case). This does not harm the MOSFET directly, but does result in high power dissipation – if breakdown occurs at 80V, and the clamping current is 10A, 800W will be dissipated. This is OK if it only occurs during short, infrequent voltage “spikes”, but if the high voltage transients occur with a large duty cycle, the MOSFET will quickly overheat. It might be possible to connect high-power zeners across the MOSFET with a slightly lower breakdown voltage than the MOSFETs, but then the problem would be how to protect the zeners!

 

The current rating of these devices is so high it is unlikely the power supply will be able to deliver enough sustained current to cause them any problem. Power dissipation under mis-matched conditions could be a problem – although each device is rated at 150W, this refers to a case temperature of 25C. In reality, the case temperature will get much higher, limiting continuous power dissipation to maybe 50W or less per device without exceeding the junction temperature rating. If it is somehow possible for large transient voltages (greater than about 20V) to occur between the gate and source terminals, this will blow a hole in the gate oxide and destroy the device immediately.

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of PA0WFO
Sent: 04 February 2006 17:53
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: Re: More smoke...

 

Dear All ,

In my Ropex transmitter I have a class D PA with 2 power fets Fairchild RFP 70N06 with rather generous ratings 70 Amps each and a  max voltage of 60 Volts the supply voltage is 13.8 Volts and a measured output of 154 Watts . When the antenna is mismatched for whatever reason will the Fets break down on voltage  or current peaks ? ( the DC input of 13.8 Volts is properly fused )  and is it possible to prevent voltage breakdown by fitting power zener diodes over the drain and source  of both Fets without spoiling their  efficiency . A fast overcurrentprotection is included in the circuit . The reason for this question is that we had a breakdown in the Ropex Fet final  of PA0VHF while tuning the antenna matching unit out of resonance ( while doing this the input was rather low ) and are wondering what caused it .( The heatsink was not hot at all while tuning up to the rated output )

 

73,William PA0WFO 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:38:26 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F69Nh-0002GA-FQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:38:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F69Nh-0002Fq-8z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:38:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F69N1-0002Za-Jt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:37:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F69N1-0002ZR-75 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:37:43 +0000 Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.18]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6A7J-00054h-Ut for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:25:35 +0000 Received: from fwd28.aul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F69Ld-0007Uj-04; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:36:17 +0100 Received: from HW1 (TlItNmZJZetBNuhPqDbvxJdIECD3lGw9bT9UXMu2qJEz5A2SEKGzwK@[84.133.94.154]) by fwd28.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F69LX-29pamO0; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:36:11 +0100 Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:36:09 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1787803433.20060206173609@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: TlItNmZJZetBNuhPqDbvxJdIECD3lGw9bT9UXMu2qJEz5A2SEKGzwK X-TOI-MSGID: 19d1cd3f-d0ef-4da4-947d-a71b7b07070a Subject: LF: TA Feb, 5/6th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) A great T/A night with 5 signals overall solid copy VO1NA, WD2XES, WD2XGJ, WD2XKO and WD2XNS. Only a weak trace of the 6th signal with a weak copy of a "M" from Mitch, MP (VE3OT) on 137.7768 just after 04:00 UTC. Early start of WD2XGJ and VO1NA about 20:10 UTC and fade out of WD2XKO about 10:00 UTC. Local sunrise here was 06:51 UTC. Captures: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:39:19 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F69OY-0003xe-9W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:39:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F69OX-0003wI-Ne for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:39:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F69OK-0002av-F5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:39:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F69OK-0002am-2L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:39:04 +0000 Received: from post-23.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.193]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6Ajq-00030O-U2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:05:38 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:15570 helo=pcroelof) by post-23.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F69MV-0004t5-62 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:37:12 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c62b3b$8bd7ac30$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c62b1d$0cf35f40$e6a4c593@RD40002> <000a01c62b34$bcb30360$b79a8418@MARLEEN> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:36:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: T/A February 6 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060607050406000205000101" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060607050406000205000101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all, This morning I found 5 signals on my screen captures: VO1NA, WD2XKO, WD2XES, WD2XGJ and a weak signal on 137781, which I could not identify. All signals had fading and nobody had a full "O" copy callsign string, except VO1NA, who was sending NA. WD2XGJ was quite strong, but the signal level dropped in a short time, as you can see in the attached screencapture. XES was weak at the time, but was stronger later on. XKO was not very strong this time. 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g0kzz@earthwaves.co.uk To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-Binford: 6100 (more power) X-Mailer: Webmail X-Originating-From: 28884435 X-Routing: UK X-Message-Id: <28884435$1139244948241172.23.4.15231902471@pustefix152.kundenserver.de--1612389835> X-Received: from pustefix152.kundenserver.de by 88.107.98.215 with HTTP id 28884435 for [rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:55:48 CET Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:55:48 +0100 X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de ident:@172.23.4.152 Subject: RE: Re: LF: New LF VLF ULF Forum Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) > >> May be of interest. A new LF VLF ULF Forum has been set up and can be >> found at: >> http://www.lf-vlf-ulf-forum.earthwaves.co.uk/ >> The forum has its own dedicated LF chat rooms too. > >My first visit to this forum produced an unhelpful page with the >following unfriendly messages: > >"The board administrator requires all members to log in" > >"You must already have registered for an account before you can log >in." > >Requires? Must? I have an aversion to remembering yet another login, >and nothing on the visitors page encourages me to do so, Come on >chaps, if you want users please treat them like friends or even >valued customers. > >73 de Mike, G3XDV >============== > Surely the whole purpose of the LF-Reflector is for fellow enthusiasts to exchange information about LF researches and resources, not to make sweeping judgements and publicly criticise other member's websites. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:58:10 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F69gn-0004yT-M7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:58:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F69gn-0004yE-Iu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:58:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F69ge-0002qK-9W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:58:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F69gd-0002qB-UH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:57:59 +0000 Received: from post-23.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.193]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6B2B-0003CY-Fl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:24:34 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:15572 helo=pcroelof) by post-23.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F69g3-0006az-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 16:57:24 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c62b3e$5e9ad550$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <007001c62a34$97e808b0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> <43E6FD76.4060304@g3ysx.org.uk> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:57:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: LF: {Spam?} Active_antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello Stewart, I have tested this on an open perfectly flat country site. The test site was located on an inland dyke, which itself was 6 metre above the surrounding fields. Raising the antenna gave much more signal. The screening from the surroundings is also a fact. In my suburban city location, signal strength is considerable less (14 dB for the same height) than in an open field location. Fortunately this does not impair reception at all, as s/n is the same. Besides a theoritical point of few, the stronger signals on a higher pole are irrelevant as the main problem with this type of antenna is the massive signal levels produced. Not the lack of it! Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:03:55 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F69mM-0004OA-8O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:03:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F69mL-0004ND-TZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:03:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F69m8-0002yv-G7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:03:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F69m8-0002ym-4F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:03:40 +0000 Received: from mx2.mail.ru ([194.67.23.122]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6AWS-0005Ht-5y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:51:33 +0000 Received: from [84.42.60.117] (port=1315 helo=mail.ru) by mx2.mail.ru with asmtp id 1F69lg-000C4D-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 20:03:12 +0300 Message-ID: <43E78176.2080108@mail.ru> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 20:03:50 +0300 From: Dmitri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: RX9BS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi LF RX9BS 10.02 from 15z transmitting for UA0AET dfcw20 137772.5/137773.5 Dmitri From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:04:13 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F69mf-0004Tu-D8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:04:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F69mf-0004TZ-4s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:04:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F69mT-0002zh-ER for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:04:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F69mT-0002zX-2A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:04:01 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6B7z-0003Hh-Oo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:30:35 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.138] (helo=mx0.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.61) (envelope-from ) id 1F69lr-0004r7-Mf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:03:23 +0100 Received: from p54868e49.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.142.73] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx0.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.61 #21) id 1F69lr-0003q8-DJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:03:23 +0100 Message-ID: <43E7815C.4080206@freenet.de> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:03:24 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c62b1d$0cf35f40$e6a4c593@RD40002> In-Reply-To: <000001c62b1d$0cf35f40$e6a4c593@RD40002> Subject: Re: LF: Re: More smoke... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Greetings all, Jim wrote: > Power MOSFETs work like big zener diodes anyway – if you exceed the > drain-source breakdown voltage, avalanche occurs and the voltage is > clamped, usually about 20 – 40% above the BVdss value (60V in this > case). This does not harm the MOSFET directly, but does result in high > power dissipation – if breakdown occurs at 80V, and the clamping > current is 10A, 800W will be dissipated. This is OK if it only occurs > during short, infrequent voltage “spikes”, but if the high voltage > transients occur with a large duty cycle, the MOSFET will quickly > overheat. It might be possible to connect high-power zeners across the > MOSFET with a slightly lower breakdown voltage than the MOSFETs, but > then the problem would be how to protect the zeners! > > Instead of super-duper zeners, you may as well use fast switching diodes to protect the MOSFET. Use these diodes to discharge excessive drain voltage into an electrolytic cap. Next, use a cheap 2N3055 or similar, and a low-power zener diode, to limit the maximum voltage on the capacitor. You may even measure the voltage as a tuning indicator - it acts as a peak-detector. (you may even use that "high-DC voltage" for something more useful: a crude switching-mode step-down converter to feed it back into the power supply :o) Regards, Wolf DL4YHF. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:56:25 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6BXE-0003gx-10 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:56:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6BXD-0003go-R9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:56:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6BWP-0003cf-SA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:55:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6BWP-0003cW-I6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 18:55:33 +0000 Received: from mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.58]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6Crx-0004PD-3k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 20:22:10 +0000 Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20060206185103.OQXD12932.mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:51:03 +1300 Received: from mikes ([210.86.112.24]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20060206185102.MHBL1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mikes> for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:51:02 +1300 Message-ID: <000301c62b4e$4665adb0$0301010a@mikes> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43E78176.2080108@mail.ru> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:51:00 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Subject: LF: Re: RX9BS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dmitri, will you be transmitting during ZL darkness hours? Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:49:06 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6FAP-00006U-BA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:49:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6FAP-00005z-5q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:49:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6F9H-0004V2-Bj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:47:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6F9G-0004Ut-UH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:47:54 +0000 Received: from simmts5.bellnexxia.net ([206.47.199.163] helo=simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6GUs-0006HV-KX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 00:14:35 +0000 Received: from [192.168.123.199] ([65.95.171.203]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060206224710.ZYKJ22461.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.123.199]> for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 17:47:10 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 17:48:07 -0500 From: Mitch Powell To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1787803433.20060206173609@t-online.de> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: TA Feb, 5/6th Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Only a weak trace of the 6th signal with a > weak copy of a "M" from Mitch, MP (VE3OT) on 137.7768 just after 04:00 > UTC. > 73 > Hartmut Thanks Hartmut - the new antenna must be helping. Running 80 watts now. I am completing a power supply for the G0MRF 250 watt transmitter as quickly as I can. 73 Mitch > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:45:54 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6G3M-0008PJ-II for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:45:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6G3M-0008Oh-8O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:45:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6G2a-0004lp-Pb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:45:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6G2a-0004lg-9Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:45:04 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6HO8-0006wN-PY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 01:11:45 +0000 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (cmsout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.32]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF114C89D for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 23:43:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg129.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.129] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.27I); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:43:46 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.129 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg129.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID284kBFXrU2353X02 Received: from [192.168.0.7] [151.46.163.71] by uadvg129.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 570kBFXrr0471M29; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:43:43 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.46.163.71 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.7] Message-ID: <43E7DF30.2060108@usa.net> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 00:43:44 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <016101c61d02$12ceca40$2101a8c0@pcroelof> <43CFCE5D.5000504@usa.net> <20060119232216.u1kyilxv57r4scgg@webmail.versatel.de> <43D0258B.2000601@usa.net> <43D027B8.1000300@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <43D027B8.1000300@usa.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID570kBFXrr0471X29 Subject: LF: Re: Mini Whip and local noise Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050708080307050803070600" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050708080307050803070600 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have simulated the mini whip with PSpice, and the results are quite good.
In the schematic below, the V3 source and the 10pF capacitor simulate
the whip itself. Total current from the power supply is abt 50mA, of which
38 flow in the 2N5109 and 12 in the J310.

The Bode plot shows the frequency response of the output referred to
the V3 source signal. The vertical scale are dB. The second Bode plot is
just the LF section expanded.

I have one almost built and in the next days it will find its way toward
a chimney on my roof...

73  Alberto  I2PHD







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--------------050708080307050803070600-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:55:01 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6GCB-0006I3-KL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:55:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6GCB-0006HB-A8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:54:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6GBI-0004tf-Gj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:54:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6GBH-0004tW-ME for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:54:03 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net ([165.212.64.33]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6Gvh-0008V8-4Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 00:42:05 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net (cmsout03.mbox.net [165.212.64.33]) by cmsout03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460BA11E for ; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 23:53:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg131.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.131] by cmsout03.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.27I); Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:53:32 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.131 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg131.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID619kBFX2G4135X03 Received: from [192.168.0.7] [151.46.163.71] by uadvg131.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 831kBFX2d0491M31; Mon, 06 Feb 2006 23:53:29 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.46.163.71 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.7] Message-ID: <43E7E17A.70401@usa.net> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 00:53:30 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <016101c61d02$12ceca40$2101a8c0@pcroelof> <43CFCE5D.5000504@usa.net> <20060119232216.u1kyilxv57r4scgg@webmail.versatel.de> <43D0258B.2000601@usa.net> <43D027B8.1000300@usa.net> In-Reply-To: <43D027B8.1000300@usa.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID831kBFX2d0491X31 Subject: LF: Re: Mini Whip and local noise Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090504050002070705000800" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090504050002070705000800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ....hmmmm, I couldn't wait until tomorrow, so I installed the antenna
on the roof at the end of the afternoon, then ran in the shack to listen
to it (or with it...)

At LF it performs very well, Rugby at 60kHz is S9+10dB on the R75,
with no preamp inserted, and the Alfa stations at 12kHz are clearly
audible on the JRC NRD-525, with strong traces on Spectran.

A friend will build it and the Amrad one, then he will place them on the same roof
of a eight stories building, and compare them.  Will keep you posted.

73  Alberto  I2PHD


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Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Feb 2006 23:28:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.37.244.7 by BAY5-DAV4.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 07:28:21 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.37.244.7] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200602070718.k177I5v8027159@post.webmailer.de> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 01:28:20 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 01:28:20 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Feb 2006 07:28:25.0460 (UTC) FILETIME=[15196340:01C62BB8] Subject: LF: Re: A nice fiver Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet 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I can hear 4 of them out my speaker tonight. Very good bands tonight.
 
Mike
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From: Hartmut Wolff
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:18 AM
Subject: LF: A nice fiver

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73
Hartmut
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:24:18 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6P56-00038J-I2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:24:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6P56-00037z-EO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:24:16 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6P4Q-0006q9-1P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:23:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6P4P-0006q0-Ig for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:23:33 +0000 Received: from smtpout0141.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.141] helo=n064.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6QQD-0002In-2s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 10:50:24 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.42) by n064.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43C54F51002EB9A1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:21:02 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c62bc7$d052a040$2ae8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 09:20:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: TR Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
Obs last nite 6/7-02-06
 
XDV appeared at 2241z
XKO                   0152z
XES                   0322z
WD2XG              0342z (fade out on last letter, only appeared for one call)
ZT                      0342z (fade out on last letter, nil further seen)
 
XG and ZT only appeared for a short period, others faded in/out all night. mostly out.
Vert ant in use.
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:50:13 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6SIO-00044V-E6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:50:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6SIO-000403-9t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:50:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6SHG-0007Xm-Ma for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:49:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6SHG-0007Xd-Cb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:49:02 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.200.82]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6Td7-00049V-8F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:15:56 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <200602071248130120080luqe>; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:48:18 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c62be4$c4fa1760$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:48:13 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) No signals noted in TA window on DF6NM grabber so WD2XNS was fired up last night... Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:57:12 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6SP9-0008I3-4m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:57:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6SP8-0008HY-Sq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:57:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6SOq-0007gA-70 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:56:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6SOp-0007g1-MX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 12:56:51 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6T9Y-0005Cd-6b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 13:45:10 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17CtVJV014453 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:55:31 -0500 Received: from server (dial-239.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.239]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id k17CtqVB025252 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 07:55:53 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <005401c62be5$f8e4fee0$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <016101c61d02$12ceca40$2101a8c0@pcroelof> <43CFCE5D.5000504@usa.net> <20060119232216.u1kyilxv57r4scgg@webmail.versatel.de> <43D0258B.2000601@usa.net> <43D027B8.1000300@usa.net> <43E7DF30.2060108@usa.net> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 12:56:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: The mystery signal Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050909000207060501030801" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050909000207060501030801 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ďťż
Hello LFers,
 
Here's a cropped pix of the capture last night of the un-identified signal:
 
 
73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
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2006 13:53:10 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6THK-0006dU-2J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 13:53:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6THJ-0006cd-SB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 13:53:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6TGP-0007xy-Tz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 13:52:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6TGO-0007xp-TY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 13:52:12 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6U13-0005cf-P2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:40:32 +0000 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1F6TC8-00020n-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 13:47:48 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1F6TCO-0002aC-Jp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 13:48:04 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:42:53 -0000 Message-ID: <000501c62bec$6553ba20$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <005401c62be5$f8e4fee0$0b01a8c0@server> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: RE: The mystery signal Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Dear J.B., LF Group,

 

Looks like PSK… what are the increments of the frequency scale?

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:13:53 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6TbN-0007nu-8c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:13:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6TbN-0007nc-2I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:13:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6Tb2-00088A-SV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:13:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6Tb2-000881-Cu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:13:32 +0000 Received: from fallback.mail.ru ([194.67.57.14] helo=mx4.mail.ru) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6Uws-0004wG-Si for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:40:27 +0000 Received: from mx3.mail.ru (mx3.mail.ru [194.67.23.149]) by mx4.mail.ru (mPOP.Fallback_MX) with ESMTP id 6513210286E for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 15:59:40 +0300 (MSK) Received: from [217.106.99.190] (port=21499 helo=mail.ru) by mx3.mail.ru with asmtp id 1F6SMs-000M4s-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:54:50 +0300 Message-ID: <43E898BB.8080105@mail.ru> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:55:23 +0300 From: Dmitri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43E78176.2080108@mail.ru> <000301c62b4e$4665adb0$0301010a@mikes> Subject: Re: LF: Re: RX9BS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1251; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Mike on 136318.65 qrss60 Dmitri McAlevey wrote: > Dmitri, > > will you be transmitting during ZL darkness hours? > > Mike ZL4OL > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:23:12 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6TkM-0001qF-SZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:23:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6TkM-0001q1-Ni for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:23:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6Tk3-0008Gi-3u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:22:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6Tk2-0008GZ-CP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 14:22:50 +0000 Received: from smtpout08-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.12]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6UUm-0005rx-W8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:11:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 17497 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 14:22:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout08-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.12) with ESMTP; 07 Feb 2006 14:22:16 -0000 Message-ID: <43E8AE05.4080804@w1tag.com> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 09:26:13 -0500 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <016101c61d02$12ceca40$2101a8c0@pcroelof> <43CFCE5D.5000504@usa.net> <20060119232216.u1kyilxv57r4scgg@webmail.versatel.de> <43D0258B.2000601@usa.net> <43D027B8.1000300@usa.net> <43E7DF30.2060108@usa.net> <005401c62be5$f8e4fee0$0b01a8c0@server> In-Reply-To: <005401c62be5$f8e4fee0$0b01a8c0@server> Subject: Re: LF: The mystery signal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) J.B., If you have the shot of the entire screen, email it to me directly. I suspect you are seeing some products from strong signals elsewhere on the screen. One of the lines in your "sandwich" appears to be Loran. John Andrews J. B. Weazle McCreath wrote: > Hello LFers, > > Here's a cropped pix of the capture last night of the un-identified > signal: > > > 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL > Solar and wind powered > EN93dr From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:11:52 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6VRT-0004Gb-KC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:11:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6VRT-0004GR-EO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:11:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6VQG-0000K7-Oq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:10:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6VQF-0000Jy-Ql for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:10:32 +0000 Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.19]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6WAw-0007xQ-Gd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 16:58:51 +0000 Received: from fwd32.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F6VPi-0005FZ-00; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 17:09:58 +0100 Received: from HW1 (ZGmB0kZLweXSGjlKhYv3PwlCtpQdCiuxp504j8+zU3oEXBeSr4+CEe@[84.133.95.112]) by fwd32.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F6VPP-1JnDwu0; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:09:39 +0100 Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:09:37 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1117028437.20060207170937@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: ZGmB0kZLweXSGjlKhYv3PwlCtpQdCiuxp504j8+zU3oEXBeSr4+CEe X-TOI-MSGID: fca2486d-bf91-4eba-83da-44769a60a0ca Subject: LF: TA Feb, 6/7th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) I have now updated my website http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm with the screenshots 21:30-07:00 taken last night. Great signals, thank you for transmitting. 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 22:26:22 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6bHv-0006q6-0o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 22:26:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6bHu-0006pn-OU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 22:26:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6bGs-0001ge-AP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 22:25:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6bGr-0001gV-UR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 22:25:13 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6ccr-0000NA-NZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:52:17 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k17MK5RO006113 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:20:05 -0500 Received: from server (dial-150.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.150]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id k17MKdKc000604 for ; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 17:20:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <008601c62c34$dc131f00$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000501c62bec$6553ba20$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:21:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Re: RE: The mystery signal Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Jim, LFers,
 
Each tick is a tenth of a Hertz.
 
73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
EN93dr
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 1:42 PM
Subject: LF: RE: The mystery signal

Dear J.B., LF Group,

 

Looks like PSK… what are the increments of the frequency scale?

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:37:30 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6cOl-0007sB-5A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:37:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6cOl-0007rn-1h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:37:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6cOA-00022Q-45 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:36:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6cO9-00022H-Mz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2006 23:36:49 +0000 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6dkA-0001Ej-0h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 01:03:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 9668 invoked from network); 7 Feb 2006 23:36:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.9.168 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Feb 2006 23:36:12 -0000 Message-ID: <000401c62c3f$497983e0$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c62be4$c4fa1760$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:35:56 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: TA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Jay, I dont know whether you are running ' XNS tonight but I have wound my capture screen up a bit to cover your channel. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Rusgrove To: Sent: 07 February 2006 12:48 Subject: LF: TA > No signals noted in TA window on DF6NM grabber so WD2XNS was fired up last night... > > Jay, W1VD > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:11:47 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6cvy-0001dS-AD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:11:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6cvy-0001cc-5f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:11:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6cva-0002Ej-O1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:11:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6cva-0002Ea-B8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:11:22 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([63.240.77.81]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6dgU-0002tp-Pz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:59:54 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2006020800100801100doih2e>; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 00:10:13 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c62c44$08500ce0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c62be4$c4fa1760$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <000401c62c3f$497983e0$67b0fea9@lark> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 19:10:08 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: Re: Re: TA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Alan Great! I'll probably fire things up a bit later since there's no activity in the TA window. Will be interested to see your results. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 6:35 PM Subject: LF: Re: TA > Hi Jay, I dont know whether you are running ' XNS tonight but I have wound > my capture screen up a bit to cover your channel. > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jay Rusgrove > To: > Sent: 07 February 2006 12:48 > Subject: LF: TA > > > > No signals noted in TA window on DF6NM grabber so WD2XNS was fired up last > night... > > > > Jay, W1VD > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:48:37 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6dVc-00018w-NG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:48:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6dVc-00017s-K4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:48:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6dV1-0002RO-Ns for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:47:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6dV1-0002RF-8M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:47:59 +0000 Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.139]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6eFz-00039h-DE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 01:36:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 98914 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 00:47:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.109.152 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 00:47:36 -0000 Message-ID: <000401c62c49$431dd0a0$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c62be4$c4fa1760$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <000401c62c3f$497983e0$67b0fea9@lark> <000901c62c44$08500ce0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 00:47:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: TA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Jay just fired up the capture there are good signal showing from Joe and Warren already. I would think I would have seen you before but I did not bother to check your frequency carefully enough and it was 1Hz off the bottom of my LSB plot. 0046z here now I'm orf to bed !! Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Rusgrove To: Sent: 08 February 2006 00:10 Subject: LF: Re: Re: TA > Alan > > Great! I'll probably fire things up a bit later since there's no activity in the TA window. Will be > interested to see your results. > > Jay > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Alan Melia" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 6:35 PM > Subject: LF: Re: TA > > > > Hi Jay, I dont know whether you are running ' XNS tonight but I have wound > > my capture screen up a bit to cover your channel. > > > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jay Rusgrove > > To: > > Sent: 07 February 2006 12:48 > > Subject: LF: TA > > > > > > > No signals noted in TA window on DF6NM grabber so WD2XNS was fired up last > > night... > > > > > > Jay, W1VD > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 04:40:25 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6h7w-0002rP-BT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 04:40:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6h7w-0002rB-7H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 04:40:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6h75-0003VF-6g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 04:39:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6h74-0003V6-In for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 04:39:30 +0000 Received: from omc1-s30.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.248.232]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6iT8-00059Q-Iy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 06:06:39 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.107]) by omc1-s30.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:38:46 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 7 Feb 2006 20:38:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.37.244.7 by BAY5-DAV3.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 04:38:46 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.37.244.7] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c62be4$c4fa1760$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <000401c62c3f$497983e0$67b0fea9@lark> <000901c62c44$08500ce0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <000401c62c49$431dd0a0$67b0fea9@lark> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:38:45 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:38:45 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Feb 2006 04:38:46.0662 (UTC) FILETIME=[8C79D260:01C62C69] Subject: LF: Re: TA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Alan,
 
When your vertical again, could you post the addy to your Grabber?
 
Thank you,
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Melia
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 6:47 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: TA

Hi Jay just fired up the capture there are good signal showing  from Joe and
Warren already. I would think I would have seen you before but I did not
bother to check your frequency carefully enough and it was 1Hz off the
bottom of my LSB plot. 0046z here now I'm orf to bed !!
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Rusgrove
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 08 February 2006 00:10
Subject: LF: Re: Re: TA


> Alan
>
> Great! I'll probably fire things up a bit later since there's no activity
in the TA window. Will be
> interested to see your results.
>
> Jay
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:01:15 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6lCM-0004C9-Cu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:01:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6lCM-00049r-01 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:01:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6lBP-0004YJ-Vz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:00:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6lBP-0004YA-Ac for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:00:15 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.30]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6lwX-0006zk-JV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:48:58 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (poitiers-1-62-147-89-138.dial.proxad.net [62.147.89.138]) by smtp4-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 47D484F1F6 for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:59:42 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <00c901c62c8d$ff7311e0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:59:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: TA [1] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040607050006060007020900" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040607050006060007020900 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
 
 
Hello all , on the list !
 
The last night copy of the TA beacon :
 
01:00 to 02:00  XGJ ,  NA
05:00 to 06:30  XGJ , XES , XKO , NA
07:00 to 07:30  XKO
See attachment.
 
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht
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1F6pbX-0005qa-Vl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 13:43:31 +0000 Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.200]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6qxl-00037u-J2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:10:50 +0000 Received: (qmail 74239 invoked from network); 8 Feb 2006 13:42:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.29.59 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Feb 2006 13:42:53 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c62cb5$91bca580$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c62be4$c4fa1760$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <000401c62c3f$497983e0$67b0fea9@lark> <000901c62c44$08500ce0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <000401c62c49$431dd0a0$67b0fea9@lark> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 13:20:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: Re: TA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Mike I did used to run a grabber but I am on dial up and with a limit of 150 hours a month so when a lot of others (with broadband access) took up the postings I stopped running mine...its run "for test" by invitation now, but since I put this new PC up I no longer have SnagIt installed.  I do trap the region around 137.777 most nights with ARGO 30sec slow screens. Mainly to help with data for the propagation report.
 
Cheers de Alan
 
----- Original Message -----
From: MIKE REID
Sent: 08 February 2006 04:38
Subject: LF: Re: TA

Hi Alan,
 
When your vertical again, could you post the addy to your Grabber?
 
Thank you,
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Melia
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 6:47 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: TA

Hi Jay just fired up the capture there are good signal showing  from Joe and
Warren already. I would think I would have seen you before but I did not
bother to check your frequency carefully enough and it was 1Hz off the
bottom of my LSB plot. 0046z here now I'm orf to bed !!
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: Jay Rusgrove
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 08 February 2006 00:10
Subject: LF: Re: Re: TA


> Alan
>
> Great! I'll probably fire things up a bit later since there's no activity
in the TA window. Will be
> interested to see your results.
>
> Jay
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:06:35 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6rpv-00011o-IF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:06:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6rpv-0000zU-Ai for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:06:31 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6rou-0006YF-0B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:05:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6rot-0006Y6-GB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:05:27 +0000 Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.19]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6sa8-0002VN-1e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:54:20 +0000 Received: from fwd31.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F6rnW-0007it-05; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:04:02 +0100 Received: from HW1 (Z4l5zEZEree1T1K1WIY7bXoDGNhrBpSRcZHo0uZozoZ9qA0AOXW5s-@[84.133.106.247]) by fwd31.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F6rnO-0yOQyG0; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:03:54 +0100 Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:03:52 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <254497149.20060208170352@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: Z4l5zEZEree1T1K1WIY7bXoDGNhrBpSRcZHo0uZozoZ9qA0AOXW5s- X-TOI-MSGID: d1daa333-85e9-4e94-853a-974bf61e83f3 Subject: LF: TA Feb, 7/8th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Copied VO1NA, WD2XES, WD2XGJ, WD2XKO and WD2XNS last night. Captures 21:00-10:00 UTC: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:24:17 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6s70-0006S2-Py for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:24:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6s70-0006P2-LJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:24:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6s6b-0006eh-70 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:23:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6s6a-0006eY-KU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 16:23:44 +0000 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.204]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6srs-0002hx-7y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:12:37 +0000 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 36so93397wra for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:22:18 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=googlemail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=dmbG0D7WwZXgt0Md8liGHEMk2dD5wOG9JScw8PRyX3LBUw9kxWJDDsoaHDcg3BIAggw4brdhJEMUoMzOLIL1UjdwVHSblwBKTCuIKcqDf5wDcsscYVDwMqMwQWCJjPFXVRyHFoYlNqr9hk7xo3fQ5qsx/bvenJ8Rm7E1yhaksxc= Received: by 10.65.236.20 with SMTP id n20mr1694234qbr; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 08:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.244.3 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:22:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <88d2415e0602080822u74087ddy@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 16:22:12 +0000 From: lawrence mayhead To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Test From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:53:51 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6tVl-0005Pa-7x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:53:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F6tVl-0005HD-2l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:53:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F6tUb-0007Bv-3v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:52:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F6tUa-0007Bm-MH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 17:52:36 +0000 Received: from smtpout0134.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.134] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F6uFu-0003GU-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2006 18:41:31 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.208.64) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43C54FAD0032B4DD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:51:58 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c62cd8$59f4a080$40d0fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 17:51:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: EARS Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
DL3FDO seems to be the only opr that cannot hear me around EU. CQ galore but seldom responds to anyone.
de G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 01:17:40 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F70RG-0005P9-Cm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 01:17:40 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F70RG-0005OK-3r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 01:17:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F70Q8-0000kV-Cl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 01:16:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F70Q7-0000kM-SF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 01:16:27 +0000 Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.85]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F71Ba-0006YH-Qg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 02:05:32 +0000 Received: from fwd31.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F70Pl-00061n-01; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 02:16:05 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (XLmwA8ZbwedGQZHPvK+fT-u3QRvLiEttrdxjiqSG3BeG0I7X8ddywJ@[84.145.203.188]) by fwd31.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1F70Pl-0RXdiK0; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 02:16:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de References: <000c01c62cd8$59f4a080$40d0fc3e@l8p8y6> In-Reply-To: <000c01c62cd8$59f4a080$40d0fc3e@l8p8y6> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 5.00.0036 Date: 09 Feb 2006 00:57 GMT Message-ID: <1F70Pl-0RXdiK0@fwd31.sul.t-online.de> X-ID: XLmwA8ZbwedGQZHPvK+fT-u3QRvLiEttrdxjiqSG3BeG0I7X8ddywJ X-TOI-MSGID: 3e41930f-dfa2-4f7c-ab6a-1795f004eb44 Subject: Re: LF: EARS Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit T-Online eMail
Dear Mal,
 
the QTH of DL3FDO is not too far from the Frankfurt-Main and Mainflingen area in Germany, and this area seems to be rather noisy on LF, may be due to the Mainflingen transmitters.
 
As far as I know he had also employed a loop antenna for receive, but as You will know, in this case it dependes on the direction of the loop whether he may hear You or not.
 
I have also had difficulties to raise other calls in the Frankfurt area from my QTH in eastern Bavaria.
 
73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB
 
  "hamilton mal" <g3kev.ham@virgin.net> schrieb:
DL3FDO seems to be the only opr that cannot hear me around EU. CQ galore but seldom responds to anyone.
de G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:02:26 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F78d8-00088A-5Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:02:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F78d8-00087c-1V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:02:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F78cF-0002v5-8u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:01:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F78cE-0002uw-QM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:01:30 +0000 Received: from smtp3.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.28]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F79Nt-0001lW-2Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:50:46 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf0304.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0608C1C00CA9 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:01:02 +0100 (CET) Received: from Mix-Amiens-107-4-230.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (Mix-Amiens-107-4-230.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.70.230]) by mwinf0304.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 3D5181C00CB2 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:01:01 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060209100101251.3D5181C00CB2@mwinf0304.wanadoo.fr Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:00:25 +0100 (CET) From: Jean-Pierre Godet X-X-Sender: godetj@comcon2.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <43E7E17A.70401@usa.net> Message-ID: References: <016101c61d02$12ceca40$2101a8c0@pcroelof> <43CFCE5D.5000504@usa.net> <20060119232216.u1kyilxv57r4scgg@webmail.versatel.de> <43D0258B.2000601@usa.net> <43D027B8.1000300@usa.net> <43E7E17A.70401@usa.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: rcv WD2XGJ and VO1NA last night Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit night fm feb 8th to 9th 2315 ==> 0000 UTC WD2XGJ 0000 ==> 0430 UTC VO1NA Best 73 to all ! f5yg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:28:16 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7927-0006cW-Qq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:28:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7927-0006by-Im for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:28:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F791l-00037d-La for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:27:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F791l-00037U-1t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 10:27:53 +0000 Received: from smtp1-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.27]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F79nN-0001zZ-Dg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:17:08 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (poitiers-1-62-147-89-187.dial.proxad.net [62.147.89.187]) by smtp1-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 02E286E6D0 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:27:15 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001101c62d63$65bdd630$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 11:27:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Fw: TA Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030000080805080502020709" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030000080805080502020709 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello all , on the list !
 
The last night verry good copy of the TA beacon :
 
01:00 to 01:00  XGJ
01:20 to 01:30  long tune on 777 ( NA ? )
02:00 to 02:30  XGJ , NA strong sig !
03:00 to 03:30  NA
05:00 to 05:30  NA
06:00 to 07:00  NA , XKO
 
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[127.0.0.1]) ([68.118.232.97]) by mxip18a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 09 Feb 2006 06:52:39 -0500 X-IronPort-AV: i="4.02,100,1139202000"; d="scan'208"; a="2097559101:sNHT18230992" Message-ID: <43EB2D5F.8010405@w1tag.com> Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 11:54:07 +0000 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001101c62d63$65bdd630$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> In-Reply-To: <001101c62d63$65bdd630$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Subject: Re: LF: Fw: TA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) I didn't start the captures until 0300, but had clear copy of CT1DRP's "Loran Line" on 136.71875 kHz from 0300 to 0500, and a weaker version between 0700 and 0830. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:50:47 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7BG1-0006Uw-3l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:50:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7BG0-0006R1-UT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:50:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7BFY-0003xZ-BW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:50:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7BFY-0003xQ-0J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 12:50:16 +0000 Received: from mx1.mun.ca ([134.153.232.16] helo=cupids.ucs.mun.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7Cc9-0005ub-2O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:17:56 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by cupids.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k19CnXpd009437 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:19:33 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id k19CnXDE013397 for ; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:19:33 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id k19CnXYQ016566; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:19:33 -0330 (NST) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 09:19:32 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: TA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Group, Many thanks to DF6NM F1AFJ F1YG G3NYK G3YXM G4WGT HA6PX Hartmut Wolff KI0LE M0BMU PA0RDT RU6LA W3EEE and WE0H for their signal reports or operating on-line monitors for the signals from VO1NA on 137.777 kHz. I've been running 500 watts from a Decca amp modified by G3LDO with 2 of the 3 PA modules operating. The home-built power supply appears to be working well with only the rectifier getting a bit hot to touch after a 'brick on the key' for 15 minutes. The aerial is 100 metres of wire up about 10 metres. The current ranges from about 2.5 to 3.1 amps, depending on the climate. It takes about 2 mH to tune it and it loads at about 50-70 ohms so the earthing needs improvement. 73 to all Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:53:11 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7DAU-00075u-9m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:53:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7DAU-00073t-4N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:53:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7D95-0004b9-D7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:51:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7D95-0004b0-1y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:51:43 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([204.127.192.84]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7EVe-0006nV-1Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:19:25 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter08.comcast.net ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060209145055m1400dlchje>; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:50:55 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter08.comcast.net; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:50:54 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Jean-Pierre Godet , =?windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_?= =?windows-1252?Q?M=E9r=E9?= Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:50:54 +0000 Message-Id: <020920061450.27925.43EB56CE0001226700006D1522007507840B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: Fw: TA X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Jean-Pierre (f1afj) and Jean-Pierre (f5yg), Many thanks for the report and capture of WD2XGJ! My power 1kW until 04:00, 250 watts after 04:00 UTC. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jean-Pierre Méré > Hello all , on the list ! > > The last night verry good copy of the TA beacon : > > 01:00 to 01:00 XGJ > 01:20 to 01:30 long tune on 777 ( NA ? ) > 02:00 to 02:30 XGJ , NA strong sig ! > 03:00 to 03:30 NA > 05:00 to 05:30 NA > 06:00 to 07:00 NA , XKO > > See attachment. > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:54:22 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7DBc-0002Eh-FY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:54:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7DBc-0002E9-BA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:54:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7DBM-0004cx-UU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:54:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7DBM-0004co-J5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:54:04 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([216.148.227.151]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7EXv-0006oP-HG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:21:47 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter08.comcast.net ([204.127.197.118]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060209145307m1100c34ese>; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 14:53:18 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter08.comcast.net; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:53:06 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Joe Craig Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 14:53:06 +0000 Message-Id: <020920061453.1501.43EB57520008B87E000005DD22007507840B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: TA X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Joe, Why only 2 of 3 PA modules operating? Is there a problem with the third module? Do you need any parts for it, let me know I have a few spare parts. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Joe Craig > Dear Group, > > Many thanks to DF6NM F1AFJ F1YG G3NYK G3YXM G4WGT HA6PX Hartmut Wolff > KI0LE M0BMU PA0RDT RU6LA W3EEE and WE0H for their signal reports > or operating on-line monitors for the signals from VO1NA on 137.777 kHz. > > I've been running 500 watts from a Decca amp modified by G3LDO > with 2 of the 3 PA modules operating. The home-built power supply > appears to be working well with only the rectifier getting a bit > hot to touch after a 'brick on the key' for 15 minutes. > > The aerial is 100 metres of wire up about 10 metres. The current > ranges from about 2.5 to 3.1 amps, depending on the climate. It > takes about 2 mH to tune it and it loads at about 50-70 ohms so > the earthing needs improvement. > > 73 to all > Joe > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:01:08 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7H2S-000080-7E for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:01:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7H2R-00007O-SE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:01:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7H1B-0006vy-H0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:59:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7H1B-0006vp-4Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:59:49 +0000 Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7INp-0000CW-6U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 20:27:35 +0000 Received: from fwd30.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F7H0Y-0002sr-01; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:59:10 +0100 Received: from localhost (GtzaVQZ-ge3QcNlyxl9RFQZtZ9edWWjsXCzQCwWoSfCfIn27H2SbwE@[172.20.101.250]) by fwd30.aul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F7H05-24Pq400; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:58:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <020920061450.27925.43EB56CE0001226700006D1522007507840B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> References: <020920061450.27925.43EB56CE0001226700006D1522007507840B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 19:58:41 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-UMS: email X-Mailer: TOI Kommunikationscenter V6-1-3 From: "uwe-jannsen@t-online.de" Message-ID: <1F7H05-24Pq400@fwd30.aul.t-online.de> X-ID: GtzaVQZ-ge3QcNlyxl9RFQZtZ9edWWjsXCzQCwWoSfCfIn27H2SbwE@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 1597c5cb-6e2a-4581-9f19-10e323ce0342 Subject: Re: LF: Fw: TA Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010600090702010508060003" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010600090702010508060003 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
-----Original Message-----
Date: Thu,  9 Feb 2006 15:50:54 +0100
Subject: Re: LF: Fw:  TA
From: k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ)
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org,


Hello Jean-Pierre (f1afj) and Jean-Pierre (f5yg),

    Many thanks for the report and capture of WD2XGJ!
My power 1kW until 04:00, 250 watts after 04:00 UTC.

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi
http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm

Hi Warren,
since ten days  the my Vertical does a better job than the "Beverage Loop".
pse see attachment.
regards
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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Group,

lots of wind, rain, snow these days, so no LF transmitting from here - this one is definitely a fair-weather antenna. On receive, traces from XGJ, NA, XKO, XES and XNS appeared on the grabber screen at one time or another, though in no way approaching Hartmut's premium quality material.

73 and good luck

Markus, DF6NM

 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:07:30 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7Jwn-0005Vx-03 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:07:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7Jwm-0005VN-MF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:07:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7JwO-0000Nk-4z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:07:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7JwN-0000Nb-NU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:07:03 +0000 Received: from [83.221.140.45] (helo=mailserver1.webhot2.dk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7LJ5-0001aY-PO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:34:53 +0000 Received: from oz7qcdell [80.63.129.70] by mailserver1.webhot2.dk with ESMTP (SMTPD-8.22) id ACD6051C; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:06:14 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c62dc4$d2f5c580$0d00a8c0@oz7qcdell> From: "OZ7QC" To: "LF Reflektor" Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:04:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned for SPAM and VIRUSES by Declude 2.0.5 Subject: LF: VO1NA and ? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030708060001040202060802" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030708060001040202060802 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi,
 
Trace of VO1NA and one boost from PI ? around 12:54 UTC 09-02-06
 
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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:43:07 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7KVG-0002uJ-2A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:43:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7KVF-0002u1-R3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:43:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7KUd-0000cO-O7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:42:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7KUd-0000cF-97 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:42:27 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7LrJ-0001mH-VM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:10:17 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter03.comcast.net ([204.127.197.113]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060209224140m1300rka59e>; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:41:40 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter03.comcast.net; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:41:40 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb lf reflector Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 22:41:40 +0000 Message-Id: <020920062241.10576.43EBC52300092A360000295022007456720B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: LF: Powedered Iron Cores for high power? X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Question for the list members, My loop has a step down transformer from 50 ohms to the loop impedance of about 1.7 ohms. I've implemented this with 4 stacked FT-290-77 ferrites and 16 turns of #10 teflon for the 50 ohm side and 3 turns of some european 16mm2 rubber insulated wire for the low impedance loop side of the transformer. The transformer and resonating caps are mounted in an fiberglass electrical enclosure outside. The core does heat up - to the point where I've been leaving the door to the enclosure open (not good!) I know that if I increase the turns on the loop side I'll decrease the magnetic flux density and hence reduce the core heating. However, the windings themselves appear to heat up a little independent of the core heating. I'm reluctant to go to smaller gauge wire and I can't fit any more turns on the existing core. I've found a powdered iron core T-520-52 that seems like it might do the trick. The mix 52 material is a lower loss version of the Mix 26 material. The permeability is high enough so that I can get enough inductance on the 50 ohm side with a reasonable number of turns. (Using the rule that inductive reactance of the primary is at least 5x the source impedance of 50 ohms). Does anyone have any experience with powdered iron cores at high power? Any thoughts on this problem? Thanks & 73 Warren -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:28:51 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7LDV-0000MU-V3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:28:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7LDV-0000MF-Rt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:28:49 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7LD7-0000ul-J8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:28:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7LD7-0000uc-7D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:28:25 +0000 Received: from smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.11]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7MZp-00023b-QI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 00:56:16 +0000 Received: from bb-87-82-26-211.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.26.211] helo=erica) by smarthost1.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1F7LCS-000Pjk-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2006 23:27:44 +0000 Message-ID: <002d01c62dd2$fbc03e60$0200a8c0@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <020920062241.10576.43EBC52300092A360000295022007456720B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:32:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: LF: Re: Powedered Iron Cores for high power? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Warren I obtained a large powdered iron core ring (of uncertain pedigree), about 5inches diameter from either one of the Decca sites or from Rugby before it closed down. On this I wound about 12 turns of 12SWG wire tapped at every turn to make a multi-ratio auto transformer to match the Decca transmitter to the bottom of the loading coil. This handled around 7amps to the antenna when the Decca was on full power and the core and windings just became slightly warm after a couple of hours operation. 73 Peter G3LDO > > My loop has a step down transformer from 50 ohms to the loop impedance of about > 1.7 ohms. I've implemented this with 4 stacked FT-290-77 ferrites and 16 turns > of #10 teflon for the 50 ohm side and 3 turns of some european 16mm2 rubber > insulated wire for the low impedance loop side of the transformer. The > transformer and resonating caps are mounted in an fiberglass electrical > enclosure outside. The core does heat up - to the point where I've been leaving > the door to the enclosure open (not good!) I know that if I increase the turns > on the loop side I'll decrease the magnetic flux density and hence reduce the > core heating. However, the windings themselves appear to heat up a little > independent of the core heating. I'm reluctant to go to smaller gauge wire and I > can't fit any more turns on the existing core. I've found a powdered iron core > T-520-52 that seems like it might do the trick. The mix 52 material is a lower > loss version of the Mix 26 material. The permeability is high enough so that I > can get enough inductance on the 50 ohm side with a reasonable number of turns. > (Using the rule that inductive reactance of the primary is at least 5x the > source impedance of 50 ohms). Does anyone have any experience with powdered > iron cores at high power? Any thoughts on this problem? > Thanks & 73 > Warren > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 02:00:35 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7NaM-00031b-Vj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 02:00:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7NaM-00031P-RM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 02:00:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7NZY-0001i3-4C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:59:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7NZX-0001hu-Ew for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:59:43 +0000 Received: from cupids.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.16]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7OLU-00019F-Hu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 02:49:18 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by cupids.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1A1wBpd025760; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:28:11 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id k1A1wBDE005599; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:28:11 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id k1A1w7ZK004493; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:28:07 -0330 (NST) Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 22:28:07 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <020920061453.1501.43EB57520008B87E000005DD22007507840B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Message-ID: References: <020920061453.1501.43EB57520008B87E000005DD22007507840B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: TA Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit On Thu, 9 Feb 2006, Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ wrote: > > Joe, > > Why only 2 of 3 PA modules operating? Is there a problem with the third module? Do you need any parts for it, let me know I have a few spare parts. Warren, Thank-you for the kind offer. All the PA's appear to be working fine. I'm just keeping the current down because the rectifier seems to need a bigger heat sink. That's a nice tower on your web page! 73 Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:35:14 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7SoC-0003Iu-8m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:35:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7SoC-0003Ii-6f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:35:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7SnT-0003MQ-DL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:34:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7SnS-0003MH-Vz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:34:27 +0000 Received: from natfrord.rzone.de ([81.169.145.161]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7TZV-0002W1-DC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:24:06 +0000 Received: from w2 (p54864C3F.dip.t-dialin.net [84.134.76.63]) by post.webmailer.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1A7Y498004958 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:34:05 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200602100734.k1A7Y498004958@post.webmailer.de> From: "Hartmut Wolff" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:34:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcYuFGS3hZoo+udhSSKZ1bHjducRtw== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: VO1NA 5wpm CW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Copied Joe's 5wpm CW-signal here about 04:35-04:45 by ear. There was a lot of QSB. Signal peaking about 10-15dB above the noise. 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:48:35 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7T17-00079J-Eh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:48:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7T17-000788-5V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:48:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7T0i-0003SA-3T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:48:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7T0h-0003S1-C4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:48:07 +0000 Received: from omc2-s8.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.249.18]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7Tmm-0002aY-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 08:37:50 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.173.53]) by omc2-s8.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:47:34 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 9 Feb 2006 23:47:35 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.37.244.7 by BAY5-DAV23.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 07:47:31 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.37.244.7] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: "rsgb_lf_group" Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:47:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 01:47:29 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2006 07:47:35.0234 (UTC) FILETIME=[41A83A20:01C62E16] Subject: LF: VO1NA in Minnesota this morning... Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020306080403070600000800" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020306080403070600000800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Caught a almost perfect ID of Joe's signal a few minutes ago.
 
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Hello all , on the list !
 
The last night verry good copy of the TA beacon :
 
01:00 to 02:00  XKO
02:10 to 02:20  long tune on 777 ( NA ? )
02:30 to 03:00  XGJ 
03:30 to 09:00  WGJ , XES , XKO , NA
 
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1F7WWx-0004mq-79 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:33:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7WWw-0004mh-OC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:33:38 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([216.148.227.151]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7XJ5-0003eQ-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:23:26 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060210113251m1100bt3ane>; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 11:32:51 +0000 Message-ID: <003201c62e35$ba0a0100$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <00c901c62c8d$ff7311e0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 06:32:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA 10 JAN 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Moderate static and the return of CT1DRP to the TA window. SpecLab times in Z... http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:35:58 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7XVF-0005Ba-Kw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:35:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7XVF-0005BR-FQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:35:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7XUa-00059P-Vh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:35:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7XUa-00059G-4o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:35:16 +0000 Received: from avalon.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.61]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7YGl-0003y7-JW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:25:04 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by avalon.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.11/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1ACY7Gq001253 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:04:07 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id k1ACY7DE029591 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:04:07 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id k1ACY6xW005568; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:04:06 -0330 (NST) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:04:06 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <200602100734.k1A7Y498004958@post.webmailer.de> Message-ID: References: <200602100734.k1A7Y498004958@post.webmailer.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA 5wpm CW Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Hartmut and Group, This is great news! Is this the first time an LF signal has been copied by ear across the Atlantic? Hartmut evidently has good ears in addition to his fine RX station. Very impressive! Many thanks to all those who have provided signal reports. Its good to see that the sigs are reaching the central part of the NA continent. Perhaps Steve VE7SL or Scott VE7TIL could use the grabbers at KI0LE or WE0H as an intermediate to complete a transcontinental QSO. Joe On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Hartmut Wolff wrote: > Copied Joe's 5wpm CW-signal here about 04:35-04:45 by ear. There was a lot > of QSB. Signal peaking about 10-15dB above the noise. > > 73 > > Hartmut > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:38:06 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7XXJ-0004jT-6r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:38:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7XXI-0004ig-VA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:38:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7XX6-0005DV-7T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:37:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7XX5-0005DM-Qx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:37:51 +0000 Received: from natipslore.rzone.de ([81.169.145.179]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7YJH-0003z4-Fu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:27:40 +0000 Received: from w2 (p54864C3F.dip.t-dialin.net [84.134.76.63]) by post.webmailer.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ACabfu029311 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:36:38 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200602101236.k1ACabfu029311@post.webmailer.de> From: "Hartmut Wolff" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 13:37:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcYtxXYcwNpWBW5sQDqazpz8gkndkQAeO37g In-Reply-To: <000901c62dc4$d2f5c580$0d00a8c0@oz7qcdell> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: AW: VO1NA and ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Are you sure. PA3EGO was testing at that time first in QRSS3 and then in QRSS30 about 137.774kHz. 73 Hartmut -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von OZ7QC Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Februar 2006 23:05 An: LF Reflektor Betreff: LF: VO1NA and ? Hi, Trace of VO1NA and one boost from PI ? around 12:54 UTC 09-02-06 Vy 73 OZ7QC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:49:21 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7XiC-0007so-JC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:49:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7XiC-0007sP-84 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:49:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7Xhx-0005RA-Bj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:49:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7Xhw-0005Pg-Ix for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 12:49:04 +0000 Received: from gander.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7Z4u-0007Gq-SS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:17:08 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by gander.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1AClgos002639 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:17:42 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id k1AClgDE030915 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:17:42 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id k1AClgSB028262; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:17:42 -0330 (NST) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 09:17:41 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <200602101236.k1ACabfu029311@post.webmailer.de> Message-ID: References: <200602101236.k1ACabfu029311@post.webmailer.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: AW: VO1NA and ? Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Sorry, but my TX was off at that time so it wasn't VO1NA. Joe On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, Hartmut Wolff wrote: > Are you sure. PA3EGO was testing at that time first in QRSS3 and then in > QRSS30 about 137.774kHz. > > 73 > > Hartmut > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von OZ7QC > Gesendet: Donnerstag, 9. Februar 2006 23:05 > An: LF Reflektor > Betreff: LF: VO1NA and ? > > Hi, > > Trace of VO1NA and one boost from PI ? around 12:54 UTC 09-02-06 > > Vy 73 OZ7QC > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:23:04 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7ZAs-00026f-Pp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:23:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7ZAs-00026O-LW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:23:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7ZAF-0005zV-Gn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:22:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7ZAE-0005zM-Vj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:22:22 +0000 Received: from gander.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7aXE-0007l2-Lw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 15:50:28 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by gander.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1AEKvos026919 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:50:57 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id k1AEKvDE011754 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:50:57 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id k1AEKv2e014243; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:50:57 -0330 (NST) Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 10:50:56 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA in Minnesota this morning... Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Mike, It takes a bit of squinting to see the first dit, but it's all there! Thanks Joe On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, MIKE REID wrote: > Caught a almost perfect ID of Joe's signal a few minutes ago. > > Mike > WE0H > WD2XGI From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:50:59 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7cQ5-0004H4-16 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:50:59 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7cQ4-0004FF-J5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:50:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7cP8-0006wS-8G for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:49:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7cP7-0006wJ-TM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 17:49:57 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7dmA-00012x-8h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:18:06 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Feb 2006 17:49:35 -0000 Received: from p54907CDF.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO router) [84.144.124.223] by mail.gmx.net (mp017) with SMTP; 10 Feb 2006 18:49:35 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 Message-ID: <000a01c62e6a$8834a380$0600a8c0@router> From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <016101c61d02$12ceca40$2101a8c0@pcroelof> <43CFCE5D.5000504@usa.net> <20060119232216.u1kyilxv57r4scgg@webmail.versatel.de> <43D0258B.2000601@usa.net> <000901c61dac$20298450$ee9bfea9@oben> <007201c61ddc$b0d668d0$2101a8c0@pcroelof> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:50:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mini Whip and local noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hallo Roelof, I am writing from time to time articles in "Funkamateur" In order not to violate any copyright I would like to ask You kindly, if You allow me to write an article about the PA0RDT- Mini- Whip 73 Uwe , DK1KQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:00:34 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7cZN-0007zL-37 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:00:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7cZM-0007z5-V1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:00:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7cYz-00072N-60 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:00:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7cYy-00072E-PM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:00:08 +0000 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7dLF-0007SQ-UM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:50:04 +0000 Received: from fwd27.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F7cXx-0000km-01; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:59:05 +0100 Received: from HW1 (Jru6ZeZ68enhjtC04sfRXk4ehol1E2+W-oLqdIlwMKWdBF+vD5V1rg@[84.133.116.57]) by fwd27.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F7cX5-218Ls80; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:58:11 +0100 Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:58:09 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1492179885.20060210185809@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: Jru6ZeZ68enhjtC04sfRXk4ehol1E2+W-oLqdIlwMKWdBF+vD5V1rg X-TOI-MSGID: be65ce7b-3cd3-4f26-b9a7-56fa8c5a2c16 Subject: LF: TA Feb, 9/10th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) I have now updated my website http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm with the screenshots 22:30-06:45 UTC, taken last night. I'll try to make a mp3-file of the VO1NA 5wpm CW-signal recorded 04:40-04:50 UTC last night and put it on my website. Need some time for testing this, so probably Saturday/Sunday. This was not the first time I've heard Joe's CW. For the first time heard in April 2004. 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:40:37 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7dC8-0002a8-Ih for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:40:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7dC8-0002Zf-8R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:40:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7dBk-0007Bt-5C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:40:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7dBj-0007Bk-LF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:40:11 +0000 Received: from post-24.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.194]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7dy3-0007cN-1C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:30:07 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:16273 helo=pcroelof) by post-24.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7dBh-000B2i-Sg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 18:40:10 +0000 Message-ID: <001e01c62e71$678b91a0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <016101c61d02$12ceca40$2101a8c0@pcroelof> <43CFCE5D.5000504@usa.net> <20060119232216.u1kyilxv57r4scgg@webmail.versatel.de> <43D0258B.2000601@usa.net> <000901c61dac$20298450$ee9bfea9@oben> <007201c61ddc$b0d668d0$2101a8c0@pcroelof> <000a01c62e6a$8834a380$0600a8c0@router> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:40:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mini Whip and local noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello Uwe, I am subscribed to Funkamateur and have seen your call from time to time. The problem is that I have send an extensive article on the mini-whip to "Electron", magazine of the VERON, in February 2005. Publication is often very slow and at a time an other article took 1.5 year! I hope that you will understand that I prefer publication in Electron first, before publication in an other magazine. This is also the reason I have not yet made a dedicated website. Unfortunately my German writing is rather poor (reading German is no problem at all), otherwise I could write it myself. May I suggest that you wait till my article is published in Electron? I do not know if you can read a little Dutch, but if not, I am willing to help you out and try my best German. There is a lot of material in my article that might be of interest for a larger audience and could make it more interesting. Best regards, Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:13:34 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7di2-0006HC-58 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:13:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7di2-0006CI-1Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:13:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7dhJ-0007KR-Mz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:12:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7dhJ-0007KI-Bj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:12:49 +0000 Received: from post-24.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.194]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7f4O-0001c1-3z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:40:59 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:16302 helo=pcroelof) by post-24.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7dh3-000Dvm-NV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:12:33 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c62e75$ee294050$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <016101c61d02$12ceca40$2101a8c0@pcroelof> <43CFCE5D.5000504@usa.net> <20060119232216.u1kyilxv57r4scgg@webmail.versatel.de> <43D0258B.2000601@usa.net> <000901c61dac$20298450$ee9bfea9@oben> <007201c61ddc$b0d668d0$2101a8c0@pcroelof> <000a01c62e6a$8834a380$0600a8c0@router> <001e01c62e71$678b91a0$2201a8c0@pcroelof> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 20:12:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Mini Whip and local noise Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello all, My apoligies, this should have been send to Uwe direct. I used the reply button, without spotting it as coming from the RSGB-LF-Reflector. 73 Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:12:27 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7gV9-00005x-7r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:12:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7gV9-00005l-22 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:12:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7gUJ-0007d0-Oo for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:11:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7gUJ-0007cr-49 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:11:35 +0000 Received: from omc2-s35.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.249.45]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7hGf-0008D6-16 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:01:35 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.110]) by omc2-s35.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:11:25 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 14:11:25 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.37.244.7 by BAY5-DAV6.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:11:24 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.37.244.7] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:11:23 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 16:11:23 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 10 Feb 2006 22:11:25.0673 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF019590:01C62E8E] Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA in Minnesota this morning... 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Hi Joe,
 
The band only picks up for a short while over the path making it hard to get a complete callsign displayed. Every night it is the same with just one bit of signal or two maybe. I seen nothing after that ID. Weird. How many miles are we apart? Grid EN35hj here in Saint Francis Minnesota 55070. Used a Kenwood TS-440 with a quarter wave 75 meter vertical as my 185.3kc beacon was running on the loop. I am working on getting a Mini Whip in the air so that probably will show a stronger signal or at least more than one or two ID's to look at. LOL!!!
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Craig
Sent: Friday, February 10, 2006 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA in Minnesota this morning...

Hi Mike,

It takes a bit of squinting to see the first dit, but
it's all there!  Thanks
Joe

On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, MIKE REID wrote:

> Caught a almost perfect ID of Joe's signal a few minutes ago.
>
> Mike
> WE0H
> WD2XGI

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:57:50 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7j57-0006mu-Ny for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:57:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7j57-0006mC-Bl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:57:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7j4b-0007rp-4w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:57:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7j4a-0007rg-Cy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:57:12 +0000 Received: from mxsf35.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.160]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7jr0-0002rh-Hf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 01:47:16 +0000 Received: from mxip33a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip33a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.248]) by mxsf35.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1B0v2rp022431 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:57:03 -0500 Received: from 68-118-232-97.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([68.118.232.97]) by mxip33a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 10 Feb 2006 19:57:02 -0500 Message-ID: <43ED36B2.8090606@w1tag.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 00:58:26 +0000 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Subject: LF: CT1DRP at 0100 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070702050508050504040304" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070702050508050504040304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Nice copy from Brian tonight on 136.318:


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([216.46.129.246]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7lTO-0003CZ-7l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 03:30:59 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1B2aSa0013390 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:36:28 -0500 Received: from server (dial-29.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.29]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id k1B2bC4U023447 for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 21:37:13 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <013801c62eb3$800d0b40$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43ED36B2.8090606@w1tag.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 02:32:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Re: CT1DRP at 0100 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090104010208050400050000" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090104010208050400050000 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello LFers,
 
Seeing Brian here as well at 02:30 UTC.  Not as strong as you on the
coast are, but there none the less.  Maybe as the night rolls on it will
pick up in strength.
 
 
73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
EN93dr
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Delivery-date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:35:31 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7oLy-0003ja-TL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:35:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7oLy-0003jA-Mw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:35:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7oLB-0000B5-Jt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:34:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7oLB-0000Av-6W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 06:34:41 +0000 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7piP-0005Gh-NN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:03:02 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060211063417.WOMK1977.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Fri, 10 Feb 2006 23:34:17 -0700 Message-ID: <001b01c62ed5$65bdff20$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200602100734.k1A7Y498004958@post.webmailer.de> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 22:35:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA 5wpm CW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hey Joe > could use the grabbers at KI0LE or WE0H as > an intermediate to complete a transcontinental QSO. If we can't make it direct then it isn't worth pondering ;-) Don't turn off the soldering iron ! Scott From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:53:10 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7pZ7-000650-Mh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:53:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7pZ7-00064d-Dc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:53:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7pYT-0000Lp-Ux for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:52:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7pYO-0000Lg-F3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:52:24 +0000 Received: from smtp3-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.29]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7qKw-000465-0j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:42:37 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp3-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F53E44509 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:52:20 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002c01c62ee0$11fcf3e0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 08:52:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: TA [1] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050208010205000300020402" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050208010205000300020402 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello all , on the list !
 
The last night good copy of the TA beacon :
 
00:00 to 01:00  XGJ ,  NA   ( only trace !)
02:30 to 04:30  XGJ , XKO 
04:30 to 05:30  XGJ , XKO , NA
05:00 to 07:30  XKO , NA
08:00 to 08:30  NA
 
See attachment.
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Hello all , on the list !
 
The last night good copy of the TA beacon :
 
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Hi All
Only XKO and XGJ seen. Peaking at different times and best sigs around 0100z and 0630z both quite strong at times, other times throughout the night the sigs were weak and fading in and out.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:12:37 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7qo0-0003oU-Iu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:12:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7qo0-0003nL-D8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:12:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7qnr-0000dg-Cj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:12:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7qnr-0000dX-1u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:12:27 +0000 Received: from smtpout0171.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.171] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7sB9-0006L4-8v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:40:50 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.25) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43E3F780000D8561 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:10:16 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c62eea$f805ea40$19e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:09:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: EU Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi
S52AB is back agn, not seen for some time. We had a QSO last nite.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:48:13 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7rMT-0006fM-4l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:48:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7rMT-0006f9-10 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:48:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7rM4-0000oP-IE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:47:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7rM4-0000oG-7Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 09:47:48 +0000 Received: from smtp12.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7sjN-0006bW-5R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:16:12 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1202.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 94ACE1C00098 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:47:17 +0100 (CET) Received: from Mix-Amiens-107-1-251.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (Mix-Amiens-107-1-251.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.67.251]) by mwinf1202.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id D00C71C00093 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:47:16 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060211094716852.D00C71C00093@mwinf1202.wanadoo.fr Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:46:38 +0100 (CET) From: Jean-Pierre Godet X-X-Sender: godetj@comcon2.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <000b01c62ee0$7c280f70$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Message-ID: References: <000b01c62ee0$7c280f70$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: NA, XGJ, XKO last night Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit JN09XI 2320 ==> 2340 traces on 137.777 kHz (NA ?) ; 0315 ==> 0430 NA ; 0245 ==> 0415 XGJ (strong) ; 0315 ==> 0345 XKO. (and yesterday too, but I forgot to save the captures and write down the times...) Best 73 to all on the reflector, thank you to all running beacons ! Jean-Pierre f5yg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:18:17 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7rpX-0002kz-VH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:18:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7rpX-0002kk-Mh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:18:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7roz-0000wp-8O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:17:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7roy-0000wf-HL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:17:40 +0000 Received: from post-22.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.192]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7sbb-0004s1-72 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:07:56 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:16339 helo=pcroelof) by post-22.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7rni-000DPZ-9A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 10:16:23 +0000 Message-ID: <002101c62ef4$2f8c7570$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002c01c62ee0$11fcf3e0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 11:16:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: T/A February 11 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000300060909080506090906" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000300060909080506090906 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello all, Very good signals of WD2XGJ. Also copied WD2XKO and VO1NA. Traces of the latter were still visible at 09:00 UTC. 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Subject: LF: Re: Re: CT1DRP at 0100 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010405090301000807020501" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010405090301000807020501 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello Jay
 
I will be transmiting overnight on 136.317,5kHz
QRSS 60 (120)...
Reports welcome
Regards
 
73 , Joze  S52AB   JN75OU
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 2:18 AM
Subject: LF: Re: CT1DRP at 0100

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(PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7tml-0003HP-Hu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:23:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7tml-0003HD-Dz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:23:31 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7tmY-0001Ff-QC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:23:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7tmY-0001FW-G0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:23:18 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7v9p-0007aY-SH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 13:51:45 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060211122252m1200d721le>; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 12:22:52 +0000 Message-ID: <001601c62f05$e1085740$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43ED36B2.8090606@w1tag.com> <013801c62eb3$800d0b40$0b01a8c0@server> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 07:17:51 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA 11 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) TA update: http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:18:57 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7vaS-0008Dm-VD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:18:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7vaS-0008Df-Qq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:18:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7vZo-0001SZ-R0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:18:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7vZo-0001SQ-9h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:18:16 +0000 Received: from mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7wx9-00005T-Bn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:46:44 +0000 Received: from aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060211141408.DCQM23581.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:14:08 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([82.10.67.170]) by aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060211141408.VAGQ12811.aamta12-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:14:08 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 14:13:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <43EDF127.10522.176AA48@localhost> In-reply-to: <200602100734.k1A7Y498004958@post.webmailer.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body Subject: LF: Faster DX speeds? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) > Copied Joe's 5wpm CW-signal here about 04:35-04:45 by ear. There was a > lot of QSB. Signal peaking about 10-15dB above the noise. > Hartmut Congratulations, Hartmut and Joe, on this achievement. What was the QSB like? Period between peaks and troughs? Depth? Regular or random? This information may help explain the propagation mechanism, and may also provide a clue as to how to make a QSO in CW (or other relatively rapid mode). For instance, large but brief peaks may point to trying modified meteor-scatter techniques. Longer, shallower peaks may suggest QRSS3 or even QRSS1 is most suitable. The main problem with real DX propagation is the trade-off between speed and signal/noise, versus the length of time the propagation exists. The present beacons with dot periods of around 60 seconds are helpful but most practical two-way QSOs need faster information rates as the path is often not open long enough. Also, I must have missed the detail of the recent VO1NA / M0BMU / G3YXM QSO, but can someone say what the speed/mode was and whether special procedures were used to keep the information transfer (and hence transmission time) to a bare minimum? Is there any support for tests at faster data rates (NA to EU as well as EU to NA)? Would this upset the ongoing gathering of propagation data? I feel that until we learn how to exploit shorter, bigger peaks in propagation, we shall continue beaconing when 2-way QSOs could be possible. Another barrier to potential two-way contacts is that Europeans are asleep for most of the time that the path is open. Does anyone have a solution to this? Again, learning to exploit shorter openings might allow QSOs to start at, say, 2300 or 0500UTC, which are less arduous than staying up all night. Obviously, the main difficulty is that contacts are currently only possible with VO1NA, but perhaps now is the time to gain the knowledge that will lead to relatively frequent QSOs when eventually the US gets 136kHz. 73 de Mike, G3XDV =============== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:13:36 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7wRK-0001kL-3a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:13:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7wRJ-0001k8-PU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:13:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7wQw-0001bK-Mn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:13:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7wQv-0001bB-DA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:13:09 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([216.148.227.154]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7xDc-0006ZN-VR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:03:31 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter88.comcast.net ([204.127.197.188]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060211151217m1400dhrjhe>; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:12:22 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter88.comcast.net; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:12:16 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: =?windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:12:16 +0000 Message-Id: <021120061512.5688.43EDFED000087DDC0000163822092299270B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: TA [1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Jean-Pierre, Thanks for the nice capture from France! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jean-Pierre Méré > Hello all , on the list ! > > The last night good copy of the TA beacon : > > 00:00 to 01:00 XGJ , NA ( only trace !) > 02:30 to 04:30 XGJ , XKO > 04:30 to 05:30 XGJ , XKO , NA > 05:00 to 07:30 XKO , NA > 08:00 to 08:30 NA > > See attachment. > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:19:52 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7wXQ-0005yl-0W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:19:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7wXP-0005ye-Sa for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:19:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7wWv-0001lx-NQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:19:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7wWv-0001lo-92 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:19:21 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7xJb-0006eS-G1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:09:43 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter88.comcast.net ([204.127.197.188]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060211151833m1300roit5e>; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:18:33 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter88.comcast.net; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:18:30 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "hamilton mal" Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:18:30 +0000 Message-Id: <021120061518.14402.43EE0046000412770000384222092299270B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: TR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Mal, Thank you for the report. WD2XGJ ran 1kW until 04:30 UTC, 250 watts out after 04:30 UTC. I do not run full power all night due to a matching transformer heating problem that I am still working on. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "hamilton mal" > Hi All > Only XKO and XGJ seen. Peaking at different times and best sigs around 0100z and > 0630z both quite strong at times, other times throughout the night the sigs were > weak and fading in and out. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:22:38 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7wa2-0007ZR-LG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:22:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7wa2-0007ZF-Hv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:22:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7wZx-0001rY-Rz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:22:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7wZx-0001rP-FA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:22:29 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.192.82]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7xMg-0006gU-Se for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:12:51 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter88.comcast.net ([204.127.197.188]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060211152141m1200db00je>; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:21:41 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter88.comcast.net; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:21:40 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "Roelof Bakker" Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 15:21:40 +0000 Message-Id: <021120061521.19189.43EE01040008F4DD00004AF522092299270B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: T/A February 11 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Roelof, Thank you for a great capture from Germany with XGJ showing 'dogbones' ! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "Roelof Bakker" > Hello all, > > Very good signals of WD2XGJ. > Also copied WD2XKO and VO1NA. > Traces of the latter were still visible at 09:00 UTC. > > Best regards, > Roelof > ========================================================= > From: Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt > Location: Middelburg, Zealand SW Netherlands, 51 30 02 N, 03 36 02 E > > Receiver: > Tuneable pre-amp, SPM-30 with 20 Hz filter > home made pitch shifter > > Aerial: pa0rdt-Mini-Whip-half pint (actual size: build in half a film > canister) mounted 5 metre high in a Magnolia tree ========================================================== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:32:05 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7xfI-0004lQ-ST for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:32:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F7xfI-0004lJ-IZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:32:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F7xeF-00021s-Mn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:30:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F7xeE-00021j-Uz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:30:59 +0000 Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.84]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F7yQz-000717-DD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:21:22 +0000 Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F7xeC-0001Ma-00; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:30:56 +0100 Received: from HW1 (ZwBBzrZcoeugVX6ScmU8oPZK0XZMz5z+lta03udzFL7eWTv4DRkcYm@[84.133.76.186]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F7xdu-1qX8z20; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:30:38 +0100 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:30:41 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <688756246.20060211173041@t-online.de> To: Mike Dennison In-Reply-To: <43EDF127.10522.176AA48@localhost> References: <43EDF127.10522.176AA48@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: ZwBBzrZcoeugVX6ScmU8oPZK0XZMz5z+lta03udzFL7eWTv4DRkcYm X-TOI-MSGID: 0484f499-b8f1-4d31-a8c7-e8c35c28dd4e Subject: Re: LF: Faster DX speeds? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040509050606020406010401" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040509050606020406010401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mike and LF, > What was the QSB like? Period between peaks and troughs? Depth? > Regular or random? This information may help explain the propagation > mechanism, and may also provide a clue as to how to make a QSO in CW > (or other relatively rapid mode). For instance, large but brief peaks > may point to trying modified meteor-scatter techniques. Longer, > shallower peaks may suggest QRSS3 or even QRSS1 is most suitable. attached some screenshots made from the audiofile which I recorded during the reception. The "30sec dot" image shows the first dot of the "V" after the CW 30sec long at about 05:00 UTC. At that time the signal was not so strong as 15min earlier, but it shows exactly what I meant. There are many gaps of rapid fading. Rx was a Yaesu FRG100 with a 250Hz filter. 3 of the shots show the full 250Hz range. The sideband-bursts could be seen in the upper parts of the shot. Antenna was a double wire K9AY loop with a null of about 35dB in the direction of the DCF39. > Is there any support for tests at faster data rates (NA to EU as well > as EU to NA)? Would this upset the ongoing gathering of propagation > data? I feel that until we learn how to exploit shorter, bigger peaks > in propagation, we shall continue beaconing when 2-way QSOs could be > possible. In my earlier receptions of the QRSS3 transmissions from WD2XES and WD2XKO I noted these type of rapid fadings, too. Overall reception of these transmission was not very stable. 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with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F817D-0002IT-TI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:13:07 +0000 Received: from post-25.mail.nl.demon.net ([194.159.73.195]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F81u3-0008Lb-Hp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:03:36 +0000 Received: from ndb.demon.nl ([82.161.81.65]:16732 helo=pcroelof) by post-25.mail.nl.demon.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F817C-000BAY-5u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:13:06 +0000 Message-ID: <001b01c62f47$8c458e70$2201a8c0@pcroelof> From: "Roelof Bakker" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43EDF127.10522.176AA48@localhost> <688756246.20060211173041@t-online.de> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:12:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: LF: Faster DX speeds? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello Hartmut, In the NDB band, QSB with a period of 5 - 10 minutes is very common. Sometimes the fades are even shorter, with stations that are 20 dB over the noise, completely disappearing within 1 minute and coming up again after a few minutes. I also found fading with a much larger cycle time. On an other note, even the ALPHA station on 11.906 kHz is getting stronger after sunset. 73 Roelof Bakker, pa0rdt From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:33:03 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F82MY-0004lg-0j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:33:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F82MX-0004jb-SR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:33:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F82Lr-0002SY-IE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:32:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F82Lq-0002SP-V3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:32:19 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.192.82]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F838T-0000Tf-FL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:22:49 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060211213119m1200d9q5se>; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:31:19 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01c62f52$7efbe920$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43ED36B2.8090606@w1tag.com> <002601c62ea9$22830380$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <004401c62f05$20bae8e0$0100007f@y4x1l1> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:31:18 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: CT1DRP at 0100 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Joze Will be watching for your signal. Big snow storm moving up the east coast so things may get noisy here tonight. Jay, W1VD ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joze Konda" To: Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 7:16 AM Subject: LF: Re: Re: CT1DRP at 0100 Hello Jay I will be transmiting overnight on 136.317,5kHz QRSS 60 (120)... Reports welcome Regards 73 , Joze S52AB JN75OU ----- Original Message ----- From: Jay Rusgrove To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 2:18 AM Subject: LF: Re: CT1DRP at 0100 And here too... Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:46:09 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F82ZE-00083w-Bz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:46:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F82ZE-00082i-4s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:46:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F82Yt-0002YT-CD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:45:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F82Ys-0002YK-Bz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 21:45:46 +0000 Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.204]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F83Lh-0000Z7-GK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:36:16 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.f7.61cc1cde (4418) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:44:18 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 16:44:17 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: Fast QSB and SXV ripples Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070804060503060704050409" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070804060503060704050409 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Mike, Hartmut, Roeloff and LF Group,

congratulations again to Hartmut and Joe on the aural CW copy, this is excellent work.

In my opinion, the rapid amplitude fluctuations seen by Hartmut are not really QSB, but rather due of the marginal SNR, as the superposition of the randomly varying noise vector will often result in apparent signal cancellation or amplification. On strong signals like CFH, the periods of multipath QSB I have seen were always on the order of several minutes.

However just today I stumbled across a different effect which I cannot explain. Browsing through  last night's colour-DF grabber captures, I observed a very unusual ripple in the apparent direction of arrival of SXV between 22:55 and 01:10 UT. There is a complete image of the event at http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/sxv_ripples.gif (288 kB).

Slow colour changes (like to the one near 01:35) happen quite often and are usually related to deep multipath fades. However the fine yellow-red ripple structure first visible at 22:53 has a period of only about 5 seconds (!). In the next half hour it becomes more pronounced, and slows down to about 30 seconds near midnight. Perhaps even more stunning is the fact that the pattern has a frequency dependence, with the falling slope indicating a periodicity of ~100 Hz. Interpreted as multipath, this would be a 10 ms delay, with a Doppler shift changing from +0.2 Hz to +0.03 Hz. For the 1600 km path geometry from Greece, this would imply a reflecting layer at about 2200 km height, having a downward velocity of up to 200 m/s! After midnight, the pattern is superimposed by a second, rising component (receding Doppler shift -0.03 Hz), which finally dominates for about an hour after 0:10.

This is all very odd, and I have not seen it before. But I'm fairly sure it's not an artifact of the receiving system. I did look for ~0.2 Hz sidebands on fading signals in the narrowband plots (CT1DRP, 137689.6) but found nothing.

Any explanations?

73 de Markus,
DF6NM in JN59NK


In einer eMail vom 11.02.2006 17:32:19 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt wolff.h@t-online.de:

attached some screenshots made from the audiofile which I recorded
during the reception. The "30sec dot" image shows the first dot of the
"V" after the CW 30sec long at about 05:00 UTC. At that time the
signal was not so strong as 15min earlier, but it shows exactly what I
meant. There are many gaps of rapid fading.


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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:03:09 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F82pg-0002zv-Sy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:03:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F82pg-0002zn-OC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:03:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F82pM-0002fN-04 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:02:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F82pL-0002fE-FQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:02:47 +0000 Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.9]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F83bz-0000eP-BH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:53:18 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.8a.36101707 (4418) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:02:21 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <8a.36101707.311fb8ed@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:02:21 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: Fast QSB and SXV ripples Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit ... rethinking after sending, I may have mixed up Doppler shift signs. A falling pattern (ie. HF to LF stripes) would be spectral components closing in on one another, meaning increasing delay, negative Doppler and upward movement of the reflector before midnight. Still, the mystery about the long delay and the fast Doppler remains.

73 de Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 11.02.2006 22:46:39 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt MarkusVester@aol.com:

Perhaps even more stunning is the fact that the pattern has a frequency dependence, with the falling slope indicating a periodicity of ~100 Hz. Interpreted as multipath, this would be a 10 ms delay, with a Doppler shift changing from +0.2 Hz to +0.03 Hz...


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:21:35 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F837U-00032j-PI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:21:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F837U-00032c-Lw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:21:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F837B-0002ln-OC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:21:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F837B-0002le-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:21:13 +0000 Received: from mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F83u3-0000kX-A4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:11:44 +0000 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060211222106.WPDL8780.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:21:06 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([82.10.67.170]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060211222106.EVHC11351.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:21:06 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:21:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <43EE634C.13664.16686B8@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body Subject: LF: Beacon on Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) I will be transmitting my full callsign hourly overnight on QRSS40 (yes, 40) on 136.3175kHz. Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:46:41 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F83Vo-0002Bi-Qh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:46:40 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F83Vo-0002BM-Ih for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:46:40 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F83VF-0002sI-Pa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:46:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F83VF-0002s9-94 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:46:05 +0000 Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.82]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F84sk-00042r-Nw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:14:41 +0000 Received: from fwd29.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F83U1-0001pH-02; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:44:49 +0100 Received: from HW1 (ZBfU5UZlweFvLc5G67aq4ovy0kQ9WsTZ1HiqeVd-gX9EaBjqlvmOcs@[84.133.76.186]) by fwd29.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F83U0-1zg9pY0; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:44:48 +0100 Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:44:53 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <207292986.20060211234453@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: ZBfU5UZlweFvLc5G67aq4ovy0kQ9WsTZ1HiqeVd-gX9EaBjqlvmOcs X-TOI-MSGID: d4b1c5c0-cd51-412e-b6a1-34a6d152ddc0 Subject: LF: WD2XGJ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010603090704090608010409" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010603090704090608010409 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Again strong signal of WD2XGJ. Start about 21:50 UTC. 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(PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F83yX-0001Je-OC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:16:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F83yB-0002zb-GE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:15:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F83yA-0002zS-VF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:15:59 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.192.81]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F84kz-00012K-Dk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:06:31 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter74.comcast.net ([204.127.197.156]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060211231458m1100o5cm8e>; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:15:08 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter74.comcast.net; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:14:57 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Hartmut Wolff Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 23:14:57 +0000 Message-Id: <021120062314.23445.43EE6FF10005301C00005B9522073000330B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: WD2XGJ X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hartmut, Thank you for the capture. 21:50 was when I started transmitting tonite. We are expecting a big snow storm latter tonite and tomorrow so I will have to close the ATU box and that means either low power or intermittent high power operation. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Hartmut Wolff > Again strong signal of WD2XGJ. Start about 21:50 UTC. > Screenshot attached. > > 73 > Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:29:43 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F857W-0004I8-Vh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:29:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F857W-0004Hg-Op for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:29:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F856t-0003BL-IL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:29:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F856s-0003BC-Kp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:29:02 +0000 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F85tn-0001LS-2x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:19:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 88962 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 00:27:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.71.20 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 00:27:53 -0000 Message-ID: <002f01c62f6b$2b115480$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 00:05:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: Fast QSB and SXV ripples Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040804000703000900020605" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040804000703000900020605 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hi Markus I gave up watching SXV as I could not make any sense out the levels at the best of times. I think the complication is the the Adriatic and the mountains. Bob Brown NM7M recounts some strange results at dawn on a 50kHz signal signal skirting the rockies in a QST article.  What happens if you factor in interference between a one-hop and  a two-hop signal ?  My calculation suggest things move a lot quicker. It is difficult to do it properly as the higher angle 2-hop signal penetrates the ionosphere further. It has been very quiet recently and there is very little absorbtion at night for these higher modes. I think this is why the longer paths often show slower smoother changes, because the higher modes are attenuated out of the picture.
 
Cheers de Alan G3NYK 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 11 February 2006 21:44
Subject: LF: Fast QSB and SXV ripples

Dear Mike, Hartmut, Roeloff and LF Group,

congratulations again to Hartmut and Joe on the aural CW copy, this is excellent work.

In my opinion, the rapid amplitude fluctuations seen by Hartmut are not really QSB, but rather due of the marginal SNR, as the superposition of the randomly varying noise vector will often result in apparent signal cancellation or amplification. On strong signals like CFH, the periods of multipath QSB I have seen were always on the order of several minutes.

However just today I stumbled across a different effect which I cannot explain. Browsing through  last night's colour-DF grabber captures, I observed a very unusual ripple in the apparent direction of arrival of SXV between 22:55 and 01:10 UT. There is a complete image of the event at http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/sxv_ripples.gif (288 kB).

Slow colour changes (like to the one near 01:35) happen quite often and are usually related to deep multipath fades. However the fine yellow-red ripple structure first visible at 22:53 has a period of only about 5 seconds (!). In the next half hour it becomes more pronounced, and slows down to about 30 seconds near midnight. Perhaps even more stunning is the fact that the pattern has a frequency dependence, with the falling slope indicating a periodicity of ~100 Hz. Interpreted as multipath, this would be a 10 ms delay, with a Doppler shift changing from +0.2 Hz to +0.03 Hz. For the 1600 km path geometry from Greece, this would imply a reflecting layer at about 2200 km height, having a downward velocity of up to 200 m/s! After midnight, the pattern is superimposed by a second, rising component (receding Doppler shift -0.03 Hz), which finally dominates for about an hour after 0:10.

This is all very odd, and I have not seen it before. But I'm fairly sure it's not an artifact of the receiving system. I did look for ~0.2 Hz sidebands on fading signals in the narrowband plots (CT1DRP, 137689.6) but found nothing.

Any explanations?

73 de Markus,
DF6NM in JN59NK


In einer eMail vom 11.02.2006 17:32:19 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt wolff.h@t-online.de:

attached some screenshots made from the audiofile which I recorded
during the reception. The "30sec dot" image shows the first dot of the
"V" after the CW 30sec long at about 05:00 UTC. At that time the
signal was not so strong as 15min earlier, but it shows exactly what I
meant. There are many gaps of rapid fading.


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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:06:29 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F85h7-0002yj-94 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:06:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F85h7-0002xl-3M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:06:29 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F85gj-0003KM-Ei for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:06:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F85gi-0003KD-W5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:06:04 +0000 Received: from outbound01.telus.net ([199.185.220.220] helo=priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F874G-0004ny-D0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:34:43 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060212010542.ONIU10261.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 18:05:42 -0700 Message-ID: <02a201c62f70$a9951440$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 17:07:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TIL QSY for special test... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
TIL will be operating from ~0100-0800 UTC daily until further notice for a special TA test.
 
The mode of operation will be a 15 minute carrier starting at 0100UTC from 00-15 min past the hour, no carrier from 15-30, carrier again from 30-45 and no carrier from 45-00, The cycle will repeat until 0800UTC (UK sunrise.)
 
The frequency for the test is 136718.75Hz.
 
In the days to come TIL will change to a a phase shifted carrier as per the above schedule. Instead of turning off the carrier it will phase shift by 180 degrees at the posted times.  Timing of the transmissions are subject to change based on requests from the RX station in the UK.
 
Of course reports from other stations are welcome!
 
73 Scott
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:45:29 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F86Ip-0005u3-As for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:45:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F86Ip-0005sG-59 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:45:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F86I4-0003RU-FE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:44:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F86I3-0003RL-Pj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 01:44:39 +0000 Received: from cupids.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.16]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8750-0001hr-4e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:35:15 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by cupids.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k1C1iUpd029619 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:14:30 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id k1C1iUDE012985 for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:14:30 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id k1C1iTXp014528; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:14:29 -0330 (NST) Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:14:29 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <02a201c62f70$a9951440$0201a8c0@private.network> Message-ID: References: <02a201c62f70$a9951440$0201a8c0@private.network> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: TA 12 Feb 06 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit DRP and weak traces from G3XDV around 0130 UTC. 73 Joe VO1NA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:00:28 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F86XM-0006CI-2m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:00:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F86XL-0006C3-V1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:00:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F86X3-0003Xc-DZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:00:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F86X0-0003XT-Rr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:00:06 +0000 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F87Jw-0001vY-Oj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:50:42 +0000 Received: (qmail 83941 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 02:00:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@81.131.104.12 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 02:00:03 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c62f78$0aa67560$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <02a201c62f70$a9951440$0201a8c0@private.network> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:00:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: TA 12 Feb 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Joe There was a big dip in the DCF39 record at W3EEE just after 2400 and you were not as strong as Warren on your last transmission.....or am I seeing someone else it is a little (0.1Hz) higher than you normally are?. I thought it felt a poor start tonight, maybe 0300-0400z will be better. I'm off to bed now Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Craig To: Sent: 12 February 2006 01:44 Subject: LF: TA 12 Feb 06 > DRP and weak traces from G3XDV around 0130 UTC. > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:39:00 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F878d-0007rl-EG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:38:59 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F878d-0007ra-AJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:38:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F878E-0003fN-Rt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:38:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F878E-0003fE-Eh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 02:38:34 +0000 Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.19]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F87vB-00029c-QL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:29:11 +0000 Received: from fwd31.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F878B-0000GO-00; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:38:31 +0100 Received: from HW1 (bdJCSyZdoeOksecaYDBWM9u4hBVVGkll3eWUTJBYtQJ0LbGWP2xJwD@[84.133.76.186]) by fwd31.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F8787-0qJPrU0; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:38:27 +0100 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:38:33 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <11310361092.20060212033833@t-online.de> To: Alan Melia In-Reply-To: <001d01c62f78$0aa67560$67b0fea9@lark> References: <02a201c62f70$a9951440$0201a8c0@private.network> <001d01c62f78$0aa67560$67b0fea9@lark> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: bdJCSyZdoeOksecaYDBWM9u4hBVVGkll3eWUTJBYtQJ0LbGWP2xJwD X-TOI-MSGID: 3b4e6472-0a65-4515-9d16-ba928e20f83d Subject: Re: LF: Re: TA 12 Feb 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Here is the noise level higher than the previous nights. T-storms over the atlantic. 73 Hartmut > Hi Joe There was a big dip in the DCF39 record at W3EEE just after 2400 and > you were not as strong as Warren on your last transmission.....or am I > seeing someone else it is a little (0.1Hz) higher than you normally are?. I > thought it felt a poor start tonight, maybe 0300-0400z will be better. > I'm off to bed now > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joe Craig > To: > Sent: 12 February 2006 01:44 > Subject: LF: TA 12 Feb 06 >> DRP and weak traces from G3XDV around 0130 UTC. >> 73 >> Joe VO1NA >> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:08:30 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F87bC-0000Ua-BP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:08:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F87bC-0000UP-8G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:08:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F87ai-0003mm-Fe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:08:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F87ai-0003md-2S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:08:00 +0000 Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.206]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F88Ng-0002Jv-5M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:58:37 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.2ea.13d7351 (16484) for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:06:32 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <2ea.13d7351.31200037@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 22:06:31 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: TIL QSY for special test... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Scott and LF,

there is a Loran line on 136718.75 from the Western Russian chain, GRI 8000 (ie. multiples of 6.25 Hz). It is fairly strong here and could prevent a possible reception in Europe.

73, and best of luck

Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 12.02.2006 02:09:53 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt sthed475@telus.net:

The frequency for the test is 136718.75Hz.

 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:51:09 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F88GT-0005H6-9y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:51:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F88GT-0005Gq-4k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:51:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F88GA-0003uE-Rb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:50:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F88GA-0003u5-9Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 03:50:50 +0000 Received: from outbound01.telus.net ([199.185.220.220] helo=priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F89dk-0003z5-BR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 05:19:31 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060212035018.RYQC10261.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Sat, 11 Feb 2006 20:50:18 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c62f87$a7fffde0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2ea.13d7351.31200037@aol.com> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2006 19:51:51 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: TIL QSY for special test... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Markis
 
Thanks for the heads up.  The receiving station is aware of this and has never seen the line in his tests prior to me getting involved.  He has successfully used this freq. for other interEU testing of this type in the past.
 
However, it is good to know that this line is seen in central EU!
 
73 Scott
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: LF: TIL QSY for special test...

Hi Scott and LF,

there is a Loran line on 136718.75 from the Western Russian chain, GRI 8000 (ie. multiples of 6.25 Hz). It is fairly strong here and could prevent a possible reception in Europe.

73, and best of luck

Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 12.02.2006 02:09:53 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt sthed475@telus.net:

The frequency for the test is 136718.75Hz.

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:29:41 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8Cby-0008BO-VF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:29:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8Cby-0008BH-Ma for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:29:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8Cav-0005gQ-3D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:28:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8Car-0005gH-NM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 08:28:29 +0000 Received: from smtp1-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.27]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8DyU-0005tD-9l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:57:15 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp1-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 9930367FEC for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:28:11 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000f01c62fae$3e6529b0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:28:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: TA [1] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070001070905020302090609" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070001070905020302090609 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Hello all , on the list !
 
The last night good copy of the TA beacon :
 
23:00 to 05:30  XGJ
00:10 to 00:40  long tune on 777 ( NA  ? )
03:30 to 08:30  XKO
03:00 to 08:30  NA
01:00 to 07:00  Big static activity !!
 
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Hello all , on the list !
 
The last night good copy of the TA beacon :
 
23:00 to 05:30  XGJ
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03:30 to 08:30  XKO
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([83.80.1.24] helo=mta-fe.casema.nl) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8Ddi-0004H7-48 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:35:36 +0000 Received: from s9z5i6.casema.nl (53556AF3.cable.casema.nl [83.85.106.243]) by mta-fe.casema.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id E72263CD0; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:44:38 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20060212093827.02b058d0@127.0.0.1> X-Sender: dickrollema@casema.nl#mail.casema.nl@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:42:59 +0100 To: LF-Group From: Dick Rollema Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Antivirus: avast! 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I was asked to pass this on to as many amateurs as possible

73, Dick, PA0SE



DEAR SIR DO NOT MISS THE
BARGAIN !!! Truro 2006

You know already about our SILENT KEY SALE (N.J. Birkett G3EKX).

Now everything MUST GO as we are demolishing dad's radio museum next
month 
and starting to build bungalow for mum on its place.

There are some more - radios, grams, recorders , transistors, HRO coils 
(aligned or untested), books, manuals, magazines, (not only about radios
but 
also old cars, World War , Boating , History, Antiques, Fiction, Novels 
etc.), service sheets, 8tracks, records, orig. movies and tapes.
Quantity- 
deliver.. We listed and photographed the sets PLEASE, have a look at our 
website www.rabeng.co.uk
"Private things for sale".

Pass the message round onto another radio/boating/car enthusiast or to
just 
people who enjoy reading or collecting or listening. There is something
for 
everybody.

Bohemian holidays and also our new, good and inexpensive tractors (18 to
40 
HP)- prices starts Ł2480 +VAT and brush cutters ( from 25,4 cc for
Ł99+VAT) 
we are importing -that is our proper business..

Almost all prices are now HALF of the printed prices !!!

We can also send you the lists by normal mail. Ask please. Thank you

Richard A.+ Ivana Birkett, 42, Halvarras Rd, Playing Place, Truro TR36HD 
Cornwall

Ph. 01872-862575 or
Richard@rab-eng.wanadoo.co.uk

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Helmich de Vries"
<Helmich.deVries@planet.nl>
To:
<richard@rab-eng.wanadoo.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 8:35 PM
Subject: Eddystone EB 35 Domestic Receiver


> Hello!
>
> I own an Eddystone EB 35 Domestic Receiver. I do not need an
instruction 
> manual. because the set is simple and straight forward to operate.
>
> But I would appreciate specifications and a circuit diagram. Can you
help?
>
> Thank you for your time and attention!
>
> Regards,
>
> Helmich de Vries, Zutphen, Netherlands.
> ====
>
>
>
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>
> 





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Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.6/257 - Release Date:
10-02-2006
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:39:46 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8Dhp-0001rl-Bp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:39:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8Dhp-0001rc-8j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:39:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8DhJ-00061F-1M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:39:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8DhI-000616-GH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:39:12 +0000 Received: from smtp14.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.23.69]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8EUP-0004Zp-2R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:29:57 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1402.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id AEB857000097 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:39:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from Mix-Amiens-107-4-20.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr (Mix-Amiens-107-4-20.w193-248.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.248.70.20]) by mwinf1402.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 0C47A700008B for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:39:04 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20060212093905503.0C47A700008B@mwinf1402.wanadoo.fr Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 10:38:25 +0100 (CET) From: Jean-Pierre Godet X-X-Sender: godetj@comcon2.org To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <2ea.13d7351.31200037@aol.com> Message-ID: References: <2ea.13d7351.31200037@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: NA last night Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit 0400 ==> 0420 UTC, then 0600 ==> 0720 UTC. 73 ! jean-Pierre f5yg From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:03:47 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8FxC-00004x-6v for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:03:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8FxC-0008Vs-41 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:03:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8FwU-0006Dp-7y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:03:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8FwT-0006Dg-Oj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:03:01 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc12.comcast.net ([204.127.200.82]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8HK9-0007n0-0k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:31:51 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <2006021212023701200scu28e>; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 12:02:37 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c62fcc$370d7320$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2ea.13d7351.31200037@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 07:02:36 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA 12 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) High static and lower signal levels. CT1DRP and bits from G3XDV. http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:11:15 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8HwW-0007A6-DJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:11:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8HwW-000798-7y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:11:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8Hvi-0006Qs-P6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:10:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8Hvi-0006Qj-CZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:10:22 +0000 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8JJS-00007p-PG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:39:13 +0000 Received: from bb-87-82-3-146.ukonline.co.uk ([87.82.3.146] helo=[192.168.0.3]) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with esmtp (Exim 4.10) id 1F8HvS-000M96-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:10:06 +0000 Message-ID: <43EF46C5.8070903@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:31:33 +0000 From: Peter Dodd User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2ea.13d7351.31200037@aol.com> <000f01c62fcc$370d7320$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> In-Reply-To: <000f01c62fcc$370d7320$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> Subject: LF:testing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Having intoned the magic ISP login, domains, IP address and DHCP server number (while at the same time facing east) I think I have at last got my network working. But does it still talk to the e-mail? Peter, G3LDO > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:13:44 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8Hyw-0001iM-PX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:13:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8Hyw-0001iE-L0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:13:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8Hyn-0006VY-Pw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:13:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8Hyn-0006VP-BY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:13:33 +0000 Received: from imo-d04.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.36]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8Ilz-0006O8-FP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:04:24 +0000 Received: from GandalfG8@aol.com by imo-d04.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.12f.6e4a81a7 (4560); Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:13:24 -0500 (EST) From: GandalfG8@aol.com Message-ID: <12f.6e4a81a7.31209c83@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 09:13:23 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 Subject: Re: LF:testing Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
In a message dated 12/02/2006 14:11:15 GMT Standard Time, g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk writes:
Having intoned the magic ISP login, domains, IP address and DHCP server
number (while at the same time facing  east) I think I have at last got
my network working. But does it still talk to the e-mail?

Peter, G3LDO

Hi Peter
 
Received ok here via the list, standing on one leg and blowing bubbles south:-)
 
regards
 
Nigel
G8PZR
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:47:03 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8IV9-0006OP-3t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:47:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8IV8-0006N2-Vs for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:46:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8IUg-0006de-Kd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:46:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8IUg-0006dV-87 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:46:30 +0000 Received: from mta1.siol.net ([193.189.160.88]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8JHm-0006Xw-DV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:37:22 +0000 Received: from edge2.siol.net ([10.10.10.211]) by mta1.siol.net with ESMTP id <20060212144616.LFIH21004.mta1.siol.net@edge2.siol.net> for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:46:16 +0100 Received: from y4x1l1 ([193.189.191.194]) by edge2.siol.net with SMTP id <20060212144616.GIRD16557.edge2.siol.net@y4x1l1> for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:46:16 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01c62fe3$0999e4c0$c2bfbdc1@y4x1l1> From: "Joze Konda" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2ea.13d7351.31200037@aol.com> <000f01c62fcc$370d7320$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:45:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: LF: Re: TA 12 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Yes, Jay...on 136.317,5 kHz about 00,30, is my signal "AB" Cheers 73 , Joze S52AB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:02 PM Subject: LF: TA 12 FEB 06 > High static and lower signal levels. CT1DRP and bits from G3XDV. > > http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html > > Jay, W1VD > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:11:58 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8ItI-0008QX-Tq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:11:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8ItI-0008Py-Oz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:11:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8Isb-0006ly-Ts for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:11:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8Isb-0006lp-Fu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:11:13 +0000 Received: from mta1.siol.net ([193.189.160.88]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8KGJ-0000WB-Mi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:40:05 +0000 Received: from edge2.siol.net ([10.10.10.211]) by mta1.siol.net with ESMTP id <20060212151051.MANR21004.mta1.siol.net@edge2.siol.net> for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:10:51 +0100 Received: from y4x1l1 ([212.30.66.233]) by edge2.siol.net with SMTP id <20060212151050.GNXY16557.edge2.siol.net@y4x1l1> for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:10:50 +0100 Message-ID: <004d01c62fe6$78529760$e9421ed4@y4x1l1> From: "Joze Konda" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2ea.13d7351.31200037@aol.com> <000f01c62fcc$370d7320$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <000f01c62fe3$0999e4c0$c2bfbdc1@y4x1l1> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:09:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4133.2400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4133.2400 Subject: LF: Re: Re: TA 12 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Maybe from Mike G3XDV...However, next time... 73 , Joze S52AB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joze Konda" To: Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 3:45 PM Subject: LF: Re: TA 12 FEB 06 > Yes, Jay...on 136.317,5 kHz about 00,30, is my > signal "AB" > Cheers > > 73 , Joze S52AB > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay Rusgrove" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:02 PM > Subject: LF: TA 12 FEB 06 > > > > High static and lower signal levels. CT1DRP and bits from G3XDV. > > > > http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html > > > > Jay, W1VD > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:48:33 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8KOn-0001XK-FR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:48:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8KOn-0001XB-BI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:48:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8KO2-0006ys-5M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:47:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8KO1-0006yj-Ex for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:47:45 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([216.148.227.154]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8LBF-0007Hm-PM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:38:39 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060212164658m1400df5dje>; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 16:46:59 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c62ff3$f0cc0a20$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2ea.13d7351.31200037@aol.com> <000f01c62fcc$370d7320$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <000f01c62fe3$0999e4c0$c2bfbdc1@y4x1l1> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 11:46:58 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: Re: Re: TA 12 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Joze Thought that might be you on the 0030Z but hard to tell with two stations on the same frequency. Looked like a lot of 'dits' but both call signs have plenty of them. Will continue to watch for your signal - but either you or Mike should pick a new frequency. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joze Konda" To: Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 9:45 AM Subject: LF: Re: TA 12 FEB 06 > Yes, Jay...on 136.317,5 kHz about 00,30, is my > signal "AB" > Cheers > > 73 , Joze S52AB > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jay Rusgrove" > To: > Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:02 PM > Subject: LF: TA 12 FEB 06 > > > > High static and lower signal levels. CT1DRP and bits from G3XDV. > > > > http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html > > > > Jay, W1VD > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:33:41 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8M2X-0003fI-DP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:33:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8M2X-0003eh-7t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:33:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8M1b-0007Cn-Dx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:32:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8M1b-0007Ce-0Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:32:43 +0000 Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.208]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8Mos-0007xH-HV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:23:39 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.24.1907b07 (62952) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:32:22 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <24.1907b07.3120d936@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:32:22 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: TA 12 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Jay, Joze, Mike,

counting pixels in the Eu-grabber capture and using Brian's accurate frequency pair as a reference, one can deduce that Mike was on 136317.56, and Joze on 136317.44 around 0:30, with a slow upward drift. The dots in Jay's image clearly belong to G3XDV. However their levels were similar here in Central Europe, so both should be visible stateside on a better day.

73 and best of luck
Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 12.02.2006 17:48:41 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt JRusgrove@comcast.net:

Thought that might be you on the 0030Z but hard to tell with two stations on the same frequency.


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:49:52 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8MIC-0004O2-BB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:49:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8MIC-0004NJ-0V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:49:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8MHq-0007Jq-Sz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:49:30 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8MHq-0007Jh-BK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:49:30 +0000 Received: from smtpout0169.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.169] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8N58-00088l-D7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:40:27 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.229.10) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43E3F780000F509C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:49:22 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c63005$0cb695a0$0ae5fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:48:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: CFH Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
CFH is a good audible sig at present 1844z both on the loop and vertical.
Lots of EU acty this afternoon, screen covered with QRS acty. All audible with me and suitable for a CW qso but QRS seems to be tbe current flavour on LF all calling CQ also saw some strong HELL signs.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:58:48 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8MQp-0005e2-SZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:58:48 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8MQp-0005dg-On for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:58:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8MQS-0007PF-9o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:58:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8MQR-0007P6-Vv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:58:23 +0000 Received: from mxsf12.cluster1.charter.net ([209.225.28.212]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8NoG-00035W-UC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:27:20 +0000 Received: from mxip31a.cluster1.charter.net (mxip31a.cluster1.charter.net [209.225.28.246]) by mxsf12.cluster1.charter.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k1CIw1iR009026 for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:58:02 -0500 Received: from 68-118-232-97.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com (HELO [127.0.0.1]) ([68.118.232.97]) by mxip31a.cluster1.charter.net with ESMTP; 12 Feb 2006 13:58:02 -0500 Message-ID: <43EF8591.3000105@w1tag.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:59:29 +0000 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c63005$0cb695a0$0ae5fc3e@l8p8y6> In-Reply-To: <000c01c63005$0cb695a0$0ae5fc3e@l8p8y6> Subject: Re: LF: CFH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) CFH is not audible or visible here at 1855, so it may have been a brief test. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:58:29 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8NMa-0007m5-4d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:58:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8NMa-0007lz-0b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:58:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8NM2-0007df-V6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:57:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8NM2-0007dW-KK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 19:57:54 +0000 Received: from simmts6.bellnexxia.net ([206.47.199.164] helo=simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8Ojr-0003bz-3L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:26:51 +0000 Received: from [192.168.123.199] ([65.95.128.151]) by simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20060212195724.TLLK25660.simmts6-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.123.199]>; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:57:24 -0500 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 14:58:22 -0500 From: Mitch Powell To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: LF: MP 137 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) G0MRF transmitter finally up and running with medium power for smoke-testing. Currently 175 watts input and 15 amps of current into the 280 foot loop, orientation E _ W. Does not appear to be melting approx 6 inches off snow off tuner roof ! Frequency appears to be stable +/- 137776.8 or just below VO1NA. QRSS30 at the moment - 1500EST 2000Z Any and all receptions appreciated - Thank you Mitch VE3OT London ON EN93ja From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:13:58 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8Nba-0004qR-6W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:13:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8Nba-0004qH-3C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:13:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8Nb2-0007lO-5r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:13:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8Nb1-0007lF-Qs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:13:23 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([216.148.227.153]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8Oyr-0003jH-S4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:42:21 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060212201255m1300rk4fne>; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:13:01 +0000 Message-ID: <002e01c63010$b90106a0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <24.1907b07.3120d936@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:12:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Re: LF: TA 12 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Markus Thanks for the detailed analysis! Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2006 1:32 PM Subject: Re: LF: TA 12 FEB 06 Hi Jay, Joze, Mike, counting pixels in the Eu-grabber capture and using Brian's accurate frequency pair as a reference, one can deduce that Mike was on 136317.56, and Joze on 136317.44 around 0:30, with a slow upward drift. The dots in Jay's image clearly belong to G3XDV. However their levels were similar here in Central Europe, so both should be visible stateside on a better day. 73 and best of luck Markus, DF6NM In einer eMail vom 12.02.2006 17:48:41 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt JRusgrove@comcast.net: > Thought that might be you on the 0030Z but hard to tell with two stations > on the same frequency. > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:34:39 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8Nva-0000al-Sy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:34:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8Nva-0000aX-JT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:34:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8Nv7-0007tb-Qi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:34:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8Nv7-0007tS-67 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 20:34:09 +0000 Received: from imo-m27.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.8]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8OiQ-0000yZ-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 21:25:08 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.1f8.1b254c1a (62952) for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:33:55 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <1f8.1b254c1a.3120f5b3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 15:33:55 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re2: LF: Fast QSB and SXV ripples Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Alan,

thanks a lot for commenting on this riddle. Yes the two hop versus one hop pattern is probably the most common source of multipath fading. But what keeps unresting my mind is that 10 millisecond figure: how would such a long delay fit into the picture, how can you fold up an extra 3000 km inbetween ionospheric layers and ground?

I am aware that the group velocity in a dispersive medium may be slower than c, showing in the upward "hook" in ionograms near cutoff. But this is at several MHz, could it be so pronounced at LF?

I found myself fantasizing about horizontal detours, like reflections from ionospheric irregularities (whatever these may be) or terrestial features like a mountain range or a coastline. There is a fascinating article by Peter Dana on the "Raymondville Ghost", a focused reflection of LORAN groundwave signals from a Mexican mountain bluff:
http://www.pdana.com/PHDWWW_files/Rghost.pdf .

Lots of questionmarks in this posting...

Have a nice evening,
73 de Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 12.02.2006 01:29:53 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt alan.melia@btinternet.com:

Hi Markus I gave up watching SXV as I could not make any sense out the levels at the best of times. I think the complication is the the Adriatic and the mountains. Bob Brown NM7M recounts some strange results at dawn on a 50kHz signal signal skirting the rockies in a QST article.  What happens if you factor in interference between a one-hop and  a two-hop signal ?  My calculation suggest things move a lot quicker. It is difficult to do it properly as the higher angle 2-hop signal penetrates the ionosphere further. It has been very quiet recently and there is very little absorbtion at night for these higher modes. I think this is why the longer paths often show slower smoother changes, because the higher modes are attenuated out of the picture.
 
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:26:39 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8Qc3-0007s5-3x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:26:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8Qc2-0007ru-V7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:26:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8QbP-0008LK-LJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:25:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8QbO-0008LB-K5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:25:58 +0000 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8ROi-0003hc-7r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 00:17:01 +0000 Received: (qmail 91398 invoked from network); 12 Feb 2006 23:25:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO lark) (alan.melia@btinternet.com@213.122.18.199 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Feb 2006 23:25:50 -0000 Message-ID: <003401c6302b$aa9d4b80$67b0fea9@lark> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1f8.1b254c1a.3120f5b3@aol.com> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 23:06:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: Re: LF: Fast QSB and SXV ripples Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Markus. I cannot believe a 10ms "delay" even if one path had managed to get through the E layer and up to the F layer and back the timing is not enough. HOWEVER dont forget that is an FSK signal with two frequencies almost 100Hz apart. Could it be a selective sideband fade artifact ?? I am not sure how to interpret your plots but the other thing we have found is that SXV transmit with the FSK on  a "subcarrier" on the upper sideband of their nominal frequency. This I think is why they are not always that stable (the subcarrier frequency drifts) and have been seen to drift up and down by 10s of Hz, but that effect is usually fairly slow.
 
There was no significant aurora so it was not backscatter from the auroral curtain which is seen in the States as a broadening of a single frequency (QRSS) line.
 
 As the signal is changing phase rapidly could there be some interaction with the sample rate (like we get looking at the patterns produced by PSK31)....can you reprocess at a different rate and get the same effect?
 
Cheers de Alan G3NYK
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 12 February 2006 20:33
Subject: Re2: LF: Fast QSB and SXV ripples

Dear Alan,

thanks a lot for commenting on this riddle. Yes the two hop versus one hop pattern is probably the most common source of multipath fading. But what keeps unresting my mind is that 10 millisecond figure: how would such a long delay fit into the picture, how can you fold up an extra 3000 km inbetween ionospheric layers and ground?

I am aware that the group velocity in a dispersive medium may be slower than c, showing in the upward "hook" in ionograms near cutoff. But this is at several MHz, could it be so pronounced at LF?

I found myself fantasizing about horizontal detours, like reflections from ionospheric irregularities (whatever these may be) or terrestial features like a mountain range or a coastline. There is a fascinating article by Peter Dana on the "Raymondville Ghost", a focused reflection of LORAN groundwave signals from a Mexican mountain bluff:
http://www.pdana.com/PHDWWW_files/Rghost.pdf .

Lots of questionmarks in this posting...

Have a nice evening,
73 de Markus, DF6NM

In einer eMail vom 12.02.2006 01:29:53 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt alan.melia@btinternet.com:

Hi Markus I gave up watching SXV as I could not make any sense out the levels at the best of times. I think the complication is the the Adriatic and the mountains. Bob Brown NM7M recounts some strange results at dawn on a 50kHz signal signal skirting the rockies in a QST article.  What happens if you factor in interference between a one-hop and  a two-hop signal ?  My calculation suggest things move a lot quicker. It is difficult to do it properly as the higher angle 2-hop signal penetrates the ionosphere further. It has been very quiet recently and there is very little absorbtion at night for these higher modes. I think this is why the longer paths often show slower smoother changes, because the higher modes are attenuated out of the picture.
 
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:25:29 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8ST2-0003AO-HJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:25:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8ST2-00038g-DE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:25:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8SS9-0000Gn-75 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:24:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8SS8-0000Ge-OE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 01:24:32 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.55] helo=priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8Tq2-0006iW-MC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 02:53:35 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060213012403.DIKA12823.priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Sun, 12 Feb 2006 18:24:03 -0700 Message-ID: <003a01c6303c$663295c0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 17:25:39 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TIL test continues... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
It nevers rains but it pours...
 
The TIL TA test has resumed at 0100UTC and will go until 0700UTC tonight. 
 
Tonight the mode has changed to a constant carrier which changes phase by 180 degrees on the Hour, Hour+15, Hour+30 and Hour+45, then repeats until 0700UTC.
 
136718.75 is the choosen frequency as we are 100% sure there are no round off errors in both my TX setup and the RX setup.  Therefore, QSYing is difficult.  
 
VY1JA reports success in the commissioning of his 2200m TX and antenna and has requested a QSO with me. Therefore, I will be calling him at 0700UTC on 137778.0 to try a QSO.
 
73 Scott
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:54:28 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8YXU-0006DE-3k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:54:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8YXT-0006Cm-VF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:54:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8YWh-0001A0-P5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:53:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8YWe-00019r-Gi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:53:36 +0000 Received: from smtp1-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.27]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8Zud-0002j1-SG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:22:45 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp1-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id E34A66386A for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:52:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002101c63072$7a505d90$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:52:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: TA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello all , on the list !
 
The last night good copy of the TA beacon :
 
01:00 to 02:00  XGJ
01:30 to 02:00  Tune and start VO1NA (See attachment.)
02:00 to 08:30  NA non stop !
03:30 to 07:30  XGJ
00:00 to 06:00  Moderate static activity !!
Stange! no trace XKO (QRT ?)
 
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:57:09 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8Ya3-0000j8-VM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:57:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8Ya3-0000j1-NF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:57:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8YZs-0001Dn-5g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:56:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8YZq-0001De-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 07:56:54 +0000 Received: from smtp6-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.36]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8ZNO-00087h-1X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:48:08 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp6-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 31CC0181A7 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:56:51 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002d01c63073$0beb2550$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 08:56:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: TA [1] Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050509030006010706000903" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050509030006010706000903 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Sorry the attachment !
 
Hello all , on the list !
 
The last night good copy of the TA beacon :
 
01:00 to 02:00  XGJ
01:30 to 02:00  Tune and start VO1NA (See attachment.)
02:00 to 08:30  NA non stop !
03:30 to 07:30  XGJ
00:00 to 06:00  Moderate static activity !!
Stange! no trace XKO (QRT ?)
 
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht
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with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8e4N-0001zW-NZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:48:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8e4N-0001zN-52 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:48:47 +0000 Received: from mtiwmhc12.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.116]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8fSU-0007L4-9m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:18:01 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.126] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc12) with ESMTP id <2006021313482511200mq00te>; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:48:26 +0000 Message-ID: <43F08E2E.6010707@att.net> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:48:30 +0000 From: Dexter McIntyre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002101c63072$7a505d90$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> In-Reply-To: <002101c63072$7a505d90$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Subject: Re: LF: TA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Jean-Pierre Méré wrote: > Stange! no trace XKO (QRT ?) > QSL. Was in RX mode. Dex From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:04:26 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8eJT-0002Ql-Nt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:04:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8eJT-0002QI-Iz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:04:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8eJ8-00026X-Bj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:04:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8eJ7-00026O-UO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:04:01 +0000 Received: from mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8fhD-0007Zi-6Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:33:16 +0000 Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060213135953.DKGT23947.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:59:53 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([82.10.67.170]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060213135953.CCJG1154.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:59:53 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 13:59:48 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <43F090D4.24220.1625FA0@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body Subject: (Fwd) Re: LF: Re: Fast QSB and SXV ripples Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) > Hi Markus I gave up watching SXV as I could not make any sense out > the levels at the best of times. I think the complication is the the > Adriatic and the mountains. Bob Brown NM7M recounts some strange > results at dawn on a 50kHz signal signal skirting the rockies in a > QST article. Cheers de Alan G3NYK When we first started using LF, it was assumed that hills and mountains would have little effect at these frequencies. However, my own portable tests in Wales showed high ground to be a significant attenuator, even at 73kHz. Later, it was found that Italian stations had different results working HB9ASB depending on where the mountains were in relation to the path. 73 Mike, G3XDV ============ ------- End of forwarded message ------- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:06:20 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8eLK-0008RU-SN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:06:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8eLK-0008R8-Oy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:06:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8eLB-00029M-52 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:06:09 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8eLA-00029D-Qh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:06:08 +0000 Received: from mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8fjD-0007cH-97 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:35:23 +0000 Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060213140158.DRRU15056.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:01:58 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([82.10.67.170]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060213140158.CDIF1154.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:01:58 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:01:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <43F09152.30088.16449A1@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body Subject: LF: TA 12 FEB 06 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) My apologies for using the same frequency as Joze. I did not read his earlier message until the next day. It would help to know what frequency 'window' is used by those monitoring. We arer all clustered close to CT1DRP. How far out can we go and still stay on screen? Mike, G3XDV ========== > Maybe from Mike G3XDV...However, next time... > 73 , Joze S52AB > > > > Yes, Jay...on 136.317,5 kHz about 00,30, is my > > signal "AB" > > Cheers > > > > 73 , Joze S52AB > > > > > > > High static and lower signal levels. CT1DRP and bits from G3XDV. > > > > > > http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html > > > > > > Jay, W1VD ------- End of forwarded message ------- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:14:09 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8eSv-0008Th-2r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:14:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8eSu-0008TI-Rn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:14:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8eSY-0002HW-E3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:13:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8eSY-0002HN-1R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:13:46 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8fqc-0007hw-EG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:43:00 +0000 Received: from AIRPORTTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060213141320m1300rjv0ne>; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:13:21 +0000 Message-ID: <001a01c630aa$0de19920$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43F09152.30088.16449A1@localhost> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:30:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Re: TA 12 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Mike
 
Without getting too far afield...the range of 136316 - 136320 works good here.
 
Jay, W1VD
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 9:01 AM
Subject: LF: TA 12 FEB 06

My apologies for using the same frequency as Joze. I did not read his
earlier message until the next day.

It would help to know what frequency 'window' is used by those
monitoring. We arer all clustered close to CT1DRP. How far out can we
go and still stay on screen?

Mike, G3XDV
==========

> Maybe from Mike G3XDV...However, next time...
> 73 , Joze  S52AB
>
>
> > Yes, Jay...on 136.317,5 kHz about 00,30, is my
> > signal "AB" 
> > Cheers
> >
> > 73 , Joze  S52AB
> >
> >
> > > High static and lower signal levels. CT1DRP and bits from G3XDV.
> > >
> > > http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html
> > >
> > > Jay, W1VD

------- End of forwarded message -------

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:36:50 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8eos-0003lF-6c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:36:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8eos-0003l4-2O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:36:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8eoU-0002QV-IR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:36:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8eoU-0002QM-6z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:36:26 +0000 Received: from smtpout07-01.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.230] helo=smtpout07-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8gCa-0007xi-Km for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:05:41 +0000 Received: (qmail 11794 invoked from network); 13 Feb 2006 14:35:59 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout07-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.233) with ESMTP; 13 Feb 2006 14:35:58 -0000 Message-ID: <43F09A61.3030907@w1tag.com> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 09:40:33 -0500 From: John Andrews User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43F09152.30088.16449A1@localhost> In-Reply-To: <43F09152.30088.16449A1@localhost> Subject: Re: LF: TA 12 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Mike Mike Dennison wrote: Using 136.318 as the center of the window, an Argo 30-second screen would display 136.315 to 136.321 kHz. For the eastern U.S. and Canada, you should avoid Loran lines at: 136,315.261 136,315.346 136,315.789 136,320.281 Otherwise, everything is fair game. This "window" was chosen for Loran-friendliness in eastern North America, and is not as clean in the west. It should be pretty good for your target audience, however. John Andrews, W1TAG >It would help to know what frequency 'window' is used by those >monitoring. We arer all clustered close to CT1DRP. How far out can we >go and still stay on screen? > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:57:27 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8f8o-0004e7-Nq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:57:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8f8o-0004du-K0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:57:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8f8J-0002XO-ET for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:56:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8f8F-0002XF-V4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 14:56:52 +0000 Received: from smtp6-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.36]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8fvw-0004zr-F2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:48:14 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp6-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 78B0E181E0 for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:56:49 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001401c630ad$b6d055a0$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002101c63072$7a505d90$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> <43F08E2E.6010707@att.net> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 15:53:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: LF: TA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Tnx Dex ! 73 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dexter McIntyre" To: Sent: Monday, February 13, 2006 2:48 PM Subject: Re: LF: TA > Jean-Pierre Méré wrote: > > >> StRange! no trace XKO (QRT ?) >> > > QSL. Was in RX mode. > > Dex > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:02:24 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8g9f-0008S6-8t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:02:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8g9f-0008R4-1A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:02:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8g8t-0002kt-MV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:01:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8g8t-0002kk-5k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:01:35 +0000 Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.18]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8gwa-0005Wb-SE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 16:52:58 +0000 Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F8g8p-0003uJ-02; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:01:31 +0100 Received: from HW1 (bLppl0ZEZebWeN9eTROwODdJDMwD1yyQLZb2sohfngPH-T-rMcUdrp@[84.133.119.67]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F8g8f-0RzPea0; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:01:21 +0100 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 17:01:18 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <14910715877.20060213170118@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: bLppl0ZEZebWeN9eTROwODdJDMwD1yyQLZb2sohfngPH-T-rMcUdrp X-TOI-MSGID: 9960f0e4-5491-46c7-9a54-0fd49e648ef9 Subject: LF: TA Feb, 12/13th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Lower noise and good signals. VE3OT: Strongest signal until now. Traces 01:00-02:30 and partial copy about 05:00 UTC. VO1NA: Good copy of the QRSS30 except the callsign string 05:00-05:30. WD2XGJ: Strong until 05:00. After 05:00 some fading appeared. It seems some northern paths were open last night. NPG was very strong here. Captures of "MP", VO1NA and WD2XGJ: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:54:12 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8maA-0002iZ-Bc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:54:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8maA-0002iK-6e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:54:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8mYw-0003OC-KJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:52:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8mYv-0003O3-TS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:52:53 +0000 Received: from apache3-wm.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.54]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8nMm-0000Um-6s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 23:44:26 +0000 Received: from www by apache3-wm.uk.easynet.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1F8mYt-0004Rv-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:52:51 +0000 Received: from 205.172.40.2 ([205.172.40.2]) by webmail.ukonline.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:52:51 +0000 Message-ID: <1139871171.43f10dc34e9a0@webmail.ukonline.net> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 22:52:51 +0000 From: captbrian To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <2ea.13d7351.31200037@aol.com> <000f01c62fcc$370d7320$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <43EF46C5.8070903@ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <43EF46C5.8070903@ukonline.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2 X-Originating-IP: 205.172.40.2 Subject: Re: LF:testing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Prob. is you are facing the wrong Mecca. You need the one near the end of Lisle St. next door to the Odeon. Quoting Peter Dodd : > Having intoned the magic ISP login, domains, IP address and DHCP server > number (while at the same time facing east) I think I have at last got > my network working. But does it still talk to the e-mail? > > Peter, G3LDO > > > > > > > > > > -- ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:28:45 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8ozl-0000Z0-1C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:28:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8ozk-0000YP-Og for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:28:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8oz4-0003io-3L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:28:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8oz3-0003if-Nk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:28:01 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.200.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8qNL-0006aK-SB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 02:57:27 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2006021401273301300k9eete>; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 01:27:38 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c63105$d728a340$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 20:27:32 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000406000304000601050602" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000406000304000601050602 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 03:36:45 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8qzd-0004oC-0c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 03:36:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8qzc-0004nz-TE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 03:36:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8qyh-0003z6-UX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 03:35:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8qyh-0003yx-H8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 03:35:47 +0000 Received: from bay102-f31.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.41] helo=hotmail.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8rme-0002HT-MZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 04:27:25 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 13 Feb 2006 19:35:44 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 03:35:44 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.236.111] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, W0rw@aol.com Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2006 18:35:44 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2006 03:35:44.0653 (UTC) FILETIME=[BCB38BD0:01C63117] Subject: LF: 9m6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Deciding I need to get wet we are flying to Sabah on or aound the 22nd Feb 2006 for about 10 days or so. Dependant on work load and what needs to be done at the HF radio station Im there to fix my plan is to rx LF on most nights. I should have some access to email so will let you know how things are going. Will be looking for part 5, 15, VE and Eu on normal windows, together with 480Khz etc If the weather is terrible, which it has been, with a large amount of flooding with Tstorms all the time I may not run. RX will be..er..IC706 and E eprobe and Hi Z LW - location will be Kota Kinabulu, East Malaysia. Not sure if Ill have the opportunity to tx but Ive reapplied for 9M6/GM4DMA - Operations from Ghana in September and Namibia in spring 2007 continue - Laurence KL1X, routing cables for the LF station From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:42:43 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8vlf-0007fM-Qt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:42:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8vle-0007f4-Mp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:42:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8vkb-0004Ve-Bj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:41:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8vkV-0004VV-TH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 08:41:27 +0000 Received: from smtp2-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.28]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8wYY-0004r4-M6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:33:12 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp2-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id EAE016CE32 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:41:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <005001c63142$6f517610$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:41:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: TA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
Hello all , on the list !
 
The last night copy of the TA beacon :
 
00:00 to 03:00  XGJ ,  NA
03:00 to 08:00  XGJ , XES , XKO , NA
05:00 to 07:00  Big static activity
 
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:30:57 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8wWO-0000fc-LP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:30:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8wWO-0000fK-G3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:30:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8wW0-0004fh-IQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:30:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8wW0-0004fY-5d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:30:32 +0000 Received: from smtpout0151.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.151] helo=n082.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8xuQ-0002zc-BM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:00:05 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.67) by n082.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43E3F7930012CAC3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:30:10 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c63149$42756000$43e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:03:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: US Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
XGJ was a big performer last night, visible all night and vy strong at times, from about 2350z - 0840z. Others captured were XKO, good at times and XES fading in and out. NA visible  at qrs 30 the odd time and one very strong VM appeared at 0114z and not seen again on the NA qrg.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:30:59 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8wWR-0002qN-CF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:30:59 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8wWR-0002pU-96 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:30:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8wW3-0004fu-1W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:30:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8wW2-0004fl-MH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:30:34 +0000 Received: from smtpout0151.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.151] helo=n082.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8xuR-0002zd-Rv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:00:08 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.67) by n082.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43E3F7930012CACB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:30:12 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c63149$43ccb2a0$43e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:29:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: US Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi
XKO and XGJ still visible at 0927z day time now but beginning to fade out.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:01:06 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8wzY-0004Su-SQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:01:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8wzY-0004SX-Mr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:01:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8wyw-0004tD-GB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:00:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8wyw-0004t4-4v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 10:00:26 +0000 Received: from natfrord.rzone.de ([81.169.145.161]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F8yNM-0003HA-HL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:30:00 +0000 Received: from w2 (p5486501C.dip.t-dialin.net [84.134.80.28]) by post.webmailer.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1EA08vE012362 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:00:09 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200602141000.k1EA08vE012362@post.webmailer.de> From: "Hartmut Wolff" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:00:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 Thread-Index: AcYxSaBlk+2NVICITDaFNKR+UIxx4wAAxRcg In-Reply-To: <000c01c63149$42756000$43e8fc3e@l8p8y6> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: AW: US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Mal, "VM" was Joe, VO1NA with an interruption after the second dash of the "O". 73 Hartmut -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von hamilton mal Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 10:03 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: US Hi All XGJ was a big performer last night, visible all night and vy strong at times, from about 2350z - 0840z. Others captured were XKO, good at times and XES fading in and out. NA visible at qrs 30 the odd time and one very strong VM appeared at 0114z and not seen again on the NA qrg. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:14:16 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8z4R-00069m-Ki for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:14:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8z4R-000697-7e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:14:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8z2T-0005BS-3o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:12:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8z2S-0005BJ-CV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:12:12 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246] helo=smtp-out2.hurontel.on.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F90Qu-0004Q2-KX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:41:48 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out2.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ECApL7020640 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:10:51 -0500 Received: from server (dial-155.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.155]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id k1ECBnac029560 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:11:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00c301c6315f$d1d3a340$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43F09152.30088.16449A1@localhost> <43F09A61.3030907@w1tag.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:11:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Loop clarification Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello LFers, When mentioning that a loop is oriented E-W, does that refer to the plane of the actual loop or to its resulting pattern? 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:55:24 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8ziG-0008WP-Ch for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:55:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F8ziG-0008Tn-0E for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:55:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F8zgq-0005Kz-CR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:53:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F8zgp-0005Kq-CG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:53:55 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([63.240.77.83]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F90Uv-0006dC-70 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:45:44 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2006021412530701300k8r5me>; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:53:07 +0000 Message-ID: <002901c63165$99f0f080$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 07:53:06 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA 14 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Quiet conditions and good signal levels. CT1DRP reception on a QRSS10/QRSS3 screen and DF6NM. http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:01:05 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F90jp-0000c4-0u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:01:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F90jo-0000Z9-8c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:01:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F90iM-0005Wt-9X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:59:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F90iK-0005Wk-S2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:59:33 +0000 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F91WS-0007Ax-QX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:51:23 +0000 Received: from [147.197.215.113] (helo=tucana.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1F90iA-00076S-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:59:22 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1F90i8-0004uo-Nf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:59:20 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 13:59:20 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c6316e$da595910$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00c301c6315f$d1d3a340$0b01a8c0@server> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-H-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: RE: Loop clarification Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear J.B, LF Group, The maximum radiation/received signal is in the plane of the loop, so if the plane of the loop is E/W, then maximum signal will also be E/W. With a ferrite rod antenna, the "plane of the loop" is at right angles to the axis of the rod itself, so maximum reception occurs when the rod is broadside-on to the direction of signal arrival, slightly confusingly. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of J. B. Weazle McCreath Sent: 14 February 2006 12:12 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Loop clarification Hello LFers, When mentioning that a loop is oriented E-W, does that refer to the plane of the actual loop or to its resulting pattern? 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:25:49 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F923n-0003A9-5I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:25:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F923m-00039d-Qy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:25:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F922s-0005n4-6n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:24:50 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F922m-0005mv-B0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:24:44 +0000 Received: from smtp5-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.35]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F92qx-0007jW-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:16:37 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 8EA9A18222 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:24:40 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001401c6317a$c5b9ff30$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:24:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: What is ? 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dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:37:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F92FX-0004pw-Vi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:37:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F92FB-0005tm-PU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:37:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F92FB-0005td-4A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:37:33 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([204.127.192.84]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F933M-0007nv-9o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:29:26 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter05.comcast.net ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060214153713m1400bdgdhe>; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:37:23 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter05.comcast.net; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:37:08 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "hamilton mal" Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:37:08 +0000 Message-Id: <021420061537.19857.43F1F9240007976700004D9122007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: US Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Mal, > XGJ was a big performer last night, visible all night and vy strong at times, > from about 2350z - 0840z. Thanks for the very kind report! XGJ was running 1kW until 03:15 UTC, 250 watts after that time. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "hamilton mal" > Hi All > XGJ was a big performer last night, visible all night and vy strong at times, > from about 2350z - 0840z. Others captured were XKO, good at times and XES fading > in and out. NA visible at qrs 30 the odd time and one very strong VM appeared > at 0114z and not seen again on the NA qrg. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:38:52 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F92GR-0005Yc-PM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:38:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F92GR-0005YK-FQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:38:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F92GG-0005vq-Uz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:38:40 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F92GG-0005vg-Fs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:38:40 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F934S-0007ox-Th for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:30:34 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter05.comcast.net ([204.127.197.115]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060214153832m1300fin4me>; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:38:32 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter05.comcast.net; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:38:29 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: =?windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:38:29 +0000 Message-Id: <021420061538.22308.43F1F97500097E4F0000572422007358340B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: TA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Jean-Pierre, Many thanks for the report. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Jean-Pierre Méré > > Hello all , on the list ! > > The last night copy of the TA beacon : > > 00:00 to 03:00 XGJ , NA > 03:00 to 08:00 XGJ , XES , XKO , NA > 05:00 to 07:00 Big static activity > > 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:12:43 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F92nC-0002f4-DH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:12:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F92nC-0002eG-58 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:12:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F92mm-000691-He for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:12:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F92mm-00068s-1n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:12:16 +0000 Received: from smtpout0175.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.175] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F93az-0008MB-4u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:04:10 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.1) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43C54FAD003DEE1D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:12:03 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c63181$683e66a0$01e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:11:40 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: US SPEED Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
Since those monitoring the US stns in EU are getting good results at the lower qrs speeds. Maybe its time to try something a little faster say 10 sec dot to start with. I am getting solid copy from XKO and XGJ most nights when watching.
VE1JG and VE1ZZ have copied my sigs at QRS 1 and I have heard NA in the past so perhaps it is time to have a go.
We are not achieving a lot at present with the slow speeds night after night.
I normally monitor at QRS 10 or 20 anyway which means long dots/dashes but the signals are solid.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:35:02 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F938n-0006Rj-El for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:35:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F938n-0006QD-6Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:35:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9388-0006HN-5s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:34:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9387-0006HE-RG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:34:19 +0000 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F94Wb-00074t-QA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:03:59 +0000 Received: from fwd28.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F936q-0003h1-08; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:33:00 +0100 Received: from HW1 (SaSueyZGreuNbRwQBoN1xWchoceMLciyA9K6TU6IJSDOaePzE5tPYX@[84.133.81.189]) by fwd28.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F936j-12FwZM0; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:32:53 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:32:49 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1624364840.20060214173249@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: SaSueyZGreuNbRwQBoN1xWchoceMLciyA9K6TU6IJSDOaePzE5tPYX X-TOI-MSGID: 44ce526a-a5e5-4375-bfb6-c3d6bb07ab1c Subject: LF: TA Feb, 13/14th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Captured MP, VO1NA, WD2XES, WD2XGJ and WD2XKO. XGJ and XES visible until 09:10 UTC. Local sunrise was at 06:36 UTC. Captures 22:30-08:30 UTC: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:41:31 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F93F5-0003oX-Bu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:41:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F93F5-0003nF-5k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:41:31 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F93Em-0006My-AA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:41:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F93El-0006Mp-V3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:41:11 +0000 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F94dJ-00079X-PR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:10:52 +0000 Received: from fwd30.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F93EX-00051n-01; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:40:57 +0100 Received: from HW1 (EBzBaeZYwe6qJIElinC-ErcoxT1fxqHVUga1dLNjQNGffwNtjCISUX@[84.133.81.189]) by fwd30.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F93EB-0lo2Ai0; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:40:35 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:40:32 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <684178071.20060214174032@t-online.de> To: =?ISO-8859-15?B?SmVhbi1QaWVycmUgTely6Q==?= In-Reply-To: <001401c6317a$c5b9ff30$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> References: <001401c6317a$c5b9ff30$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: EBzBaeZYwe6qJIElinC-ErcoxT1fxqHVUga1dLNjQNGffwNtjCISUX X-TOI-MSGID: e03ae8df-c977-4b6d-8685-60a40823b2e2 Subject: Re: LF: What is ? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070404090208080909040900" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070404090208080909040900 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Jean-Pierre, attached a screenshot how it looks here on a faster screen. 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00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:00:59 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F93Xu-0000sC-4G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:00:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F93Xt-0000rn-SX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:00:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F93XT-0006VP-3D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:00:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F93XS-0006VG-O9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:00:30 +0000 Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F94w0-0007Le-1s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:30:11 +0000 Received: from fwd32.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F93XC-0006dD-07; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:00:14 +0100 Received: from HW1 (VTfTMZZJYebU9NjTMg4Uh42eEHVABM-jVT-l8lDj9hdM5Q-VWQpmZs@[84.133.81.189]) by fwd32.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F93Wu-1s8xjk0; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:59:56 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:59:32 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <914889295.20060214175932@t-online.de> To: hamilton mal In-Reply-To: <000c01c63181$683e66a0$01e8fc3e@l8p8y6> References: <000c01c63181$683e66a0$01e8fc3e@l8p8y6> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: VTfTMZZJYebU9NjTMg4Uh42eEHVABM-jVT-l8lDj9hdM5Q-VWQpmZs X-TOI-MSGID: 289297b1-10f4-43ca-8b8c-c53022372aa4 Subject: Re: LF: US SPEED Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi all, > Since those monitoring the US stns in EU are getting good results at > the lower qrs speeds. Maybe its time to try something a little > faster say 10 sec dot to start with. I am getting solid copy from > XKO and XGJ most nights when watching. I agree with Mal, some tests from the US eastcoast in QRSS 1 or 3 would be interesting. For this should a second T/A window be used. Probably in the 137.500-600 range. Near 137.700 as Dex used late 2005 is good, too. 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:44:50 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F94EL-0002Yr-4R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:44:50 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F94EJ-0002YJ-B9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:44:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F94Dk-0006gQ-JR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:44:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F94Dj-0006gH-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 17:44:11 +0000 Received: from smtp5-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.35]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F951y-0000Y9-2b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:36:07 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 58F1918026 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:44:09 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002c01c6318e$41e52090$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001401c6317a$c5b9ff30$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> <684178071.20060214174032@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:44:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: LF: What is ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Tnx Hartmut 73 J-P afj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartmut Wolff" To: "Jean-Pierre Méré" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:40 PM Subject: Re: LF: What is ? > Hi Jean-Pierre, > > attached a screenshot how it looks here on a faster screen. > Someone testing the PA? > 73 > Hartmut > > >> Hello all , on the list ! > >> What is the signal ? >> See attachment > >> 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:03:02 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F94Vx-0003rR-A9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:03:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F94Vx-0003q7-1A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:03:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F94Vf-0006nd-Fv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:02:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F94Vf-0006nU-41 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:02:43 +0000 Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F95Jt-0000fa-K2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:54:39 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.126] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with ESMTP id <20060214180229113007pus0e>; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:02:34 +0000 Message-ID: <43F21B35.7030000@att.net> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:02:29 +0000 From: Dexter McIntyre User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org CC: LowFer LWCA References: <000c01c63181$683e66a0$01e8fc3e@l8p8y6> <914889295.20060214175932@t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <914889295.20060214175932@t-online.de> Subject: Re: LF: US SPEED (XKO 137.701 QRSS1 and QRSS3) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hartmut Wolff wrote: >> > I agree with Mal, some tests from the US eastcoast in QRSS 1 or 3 > would be interesting. For this should a second T/A window be used. > Probably in the 137.500-600 range. Near 137.700 as Dex used late > 2005 is good, too. > I'll move XKO to 137.701 kHz when I get home at about 2200Z. Will send a combination of QRSS1 and 3 overnight. Dex W4DEX / WD2XKO Online WD2XKO log at: http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xko_log.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:56:22 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F96Hc-0006wF-TC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:56:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F96Hc-0006w2-Mm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:56:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F96Gs-00077Q-O5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:55:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F96Gs-00077H-45 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:55:34 +0000 Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.200]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9759-0001Ta-U8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:47:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 91040 invoked from network); 14 Feb 2006 19:55:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@btinternet.com@86.132.159.201 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Feb 2006 19:55:31 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:56:35 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <000c01c63149$42756000$43e8fc3e@l8p8y6> Importance: Normal Subject: LF: Antenna question.. Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear LF enthusiasts and antenna experts,
 
I am planning to re-engineer my antenna during the Spring, and I have a design decision to make. 
 
I use an "L" antenna with a vertical section and a horizontal top section that is 20m long. The "horizontal" top section is 10m high at the house end, and slopes down to 5m at the far end. The vertical section is a single wire, with a large loading coil/variometer at the bottom, in the usual time-honoured fashion. 
 
My choice is:- do I feed the top section at the house end, in which case the vertical section will be 10m high, or at the far end, where the vertical section will be only 5m high? At first glance, it might be thought that the 10m vertical would be preferable, but the fact that the top section slopes confuses the situation.
 
Another problem with feeding at the house end is that the vertical section is very near the house and causes all sorts of RFI problems. It also picks up a load of mains-borne rubbish!
 
Second question:- Has anyone experienced any tangible benefits by including an extra loading coil part-way up the vertical section?
 
All replies gratefully received!
 
73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:59:05 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F96KH-00010E-4o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:59:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F96KG-0000zg-VR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:59:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F96K5-0007Cb-Gi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:58:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F96K5-0007CS-3T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:58:53 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F978L-0001X2-Um for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:50:52 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter01.comcast.net ([204.127.197.111]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060214195827m1300fkk8ge>; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:58:31 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter01.comcast.net; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:58:13 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Dexter McIntyre , LowFer LWCA Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:58:13 +0000 Message-Id: <021420061958.7866.43F23655000A9C1100001EBA22007374780B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: US SPEED (XKO 137.701 QRSS1 and QRSS3) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dex and the list, I looked at John Andrew's list of Loran Lines and there are a number in the area of 137.701: 137,698.145 5930 - Canadian East Coast 137,700.312 9610 - South Central U.S. 137,700.501 7980 - Southeast U.S. 137,700.669 5980 - Russian American 137,700.803 9960 - Northeast U.S. 137,701.005 7960 - Gulf of Alaska 137,701.207 9940 - Western U.S. I'm thinking of operating WD2XGJ on 137.6992 which is in a gap between lines. Any thoughts/suggestions? -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Dexter McIntyre > Hartmut Wolff wrote: > >> > > I agree with Mal, some tests from the US eastcoast in QRSS 1 or 3 > > would be interesting. For this should a second T/A window be used. > > Probably in the 137.500-600 range. Near 137.700 as Dex used late > > 2005 is good, too. > > > > I'll move XKO to 137.701 kHz when I get home at about 2200Z. Will send > a combination of QRSS1 and 3 overnight. > > Dex W4DEX / WD2XKO > > Online WD2XKO log at: > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xko_log.htm > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:25:30 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F96jo-0004ug-OQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:25:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F96jo-0004uK-IW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:25:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F96jR-0007LY-3Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:25:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F96jQ-0007LP-O3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 20:25:04 +0000 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9881-0001FN-DS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:54:48 +0000 Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F96jA-0004Pe-01; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:24:48 +0100 Received: from HW1 (XpiUa4Zr8eUUoLfLkN0zJ2da8FCdRHKbLOZFp5WnAJ2tJd5UpDxK4F@[84.133.81.189]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F96ix-0zUM3E0; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:24:35 +0100 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:24:33 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1529605878.20060214212433@t-online.de> To: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ In-Reply-To: <021420061958.7866.43F23655000A9C1100001EBA22007374780B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> References: <021420061958.7866.43F23655000A9C1100001EBA22007374780B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: XpiUa4Zr8eUUoLfLkN0zJ2da8FCdRHKbLOZFp5WnAJ2tJd5UpDxK4F X-TOI-MSGID: 9663dfb2-c984-4cbd-bc1b-87984fdb7c08 Subject: Re: LF: US SPEED (XKO 137.701 QRSS1 and QRSS3) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000705080808020102090801" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000705080808020102090801 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Warren, attached a screenshot. 137.699 is not a good choice. 73 Hartmut > Dex and the list, > I looked at John Andrew's list of Loran Lines and there are a number in the area of 137.701: > 137,698.145 5930 - Canadian East Coast > 137,700.312 9610 - South Central U.S. > 137,700.501 7980 - Southeast U.S. > 137,700.669 5980 - Russian American > 137,700.803 9960 - Northeast U.S. > 137,701.005 7960 - Gulf of Alaska > 137,701.207 9940 - Western U.S. > I'm thinking of operating WD2XGJ on 137.6992 which is in a gap between lines. > Any thoughts/suggestions? --------------000705080808020102090801 Content-Type: image/jpeg; name="700-3-28273.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="700-3-28273.jpg" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEBLAEsAAD/2wBDABALCwwMDBENDREYEA4QGBwVEREVHCEZGRkZGSEg GRwcHBwZICAlJygnJSAwMDQ0MDBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQED/2wBDAREQEBITEhYSEhYWEhUS 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([64.12.137.8]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F98zK-0001vA-Ma for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:49:53 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m27.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.1a1.456c7ca6 (4328) for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:15:57 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <1a1.456c7ca6.3123a28d@aol.com> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:15:57 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: Eu LORAN lines near 137700 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Dexter and Group,

there are five relevant LORAN C chains in Europe. Their spectral lines are at multiples of 100000 Hz / 2 / GRI; here is a list of frequencies between 137680 and 137720 Hz. The lines which look prominent in Hartmut's shot are indicated by an asterisk, but the relative amplitudes vary a lot with the location of the receiver and changing skywave propagation.

GRI 6731 (Lessay, Soustons, Rugby, Sylt):
683.8508*, 691.2791, 698.7074*, 706.1357*, 713.5640

GRI 7499 (Sylt, Lessay, Vaerlandet):
685.0247*, 691.6923, 698.3599*, 705.0275*, 711.6951*, 718.3627

GRI 9007 (Ejde, Jan Mayen, Bo, Vaerlandet):
681.8031, 687.3543, 692.9055, 698.4567, 704.0079, 709.5591, 715.1103

GRI 7001 (Bo, Jan Mayen, Berlevag):
680.3314, 687.4732, 694.6150, 701.7568, 708.8986, 716.0404

GRI 8000 (Bryansk, Petrozavodsk, Slonim, Simferopol, Syzran Karachev):
681.25, 687.5, 693.75, 700.00, 706.25, 712.5, 718.75

The Sylt station (and probably the 7499 chain with it) was announced to close down tomorrow, Feb. 15, but the shutdown had been postponed two times already.

73 and best wishes
Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:28:25 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F98el-0006L8-Rn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:28:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F98el-0006Kx-Mx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:28:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F98e3-0007kA-AD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:27:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F98e2-0007k1-MF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:27:38 +0000 Received: from omc1-s39.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.248.241]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F99SN-0002pj-Am for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:19:40 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.112]) by omc1-s39.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:27:30 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 14:27:30 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.37.244.7 by BAY5-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:27:30 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.37.244.7] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43F09152.30088.16449A1@localhost> <43F09A61.3030907@w1tag.com> <00c301c6315f$d1d3a340$0b01a8c0@server> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:27:29 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 16:27:29 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Feb 2006 22:27:30.0339 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7A4EF30:01C631B5] Subject: LF: Re: Loop clarification Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Both. The Ashlock loops radiate off the ends of the loop. I say my loop is pointing E/W meaning it is running east & west on the property and radiates the same two directions. They actually radiate good in all directions depending upon the horizontal length. Seems longer horizontal run loops have more nulls possibly? The loop is in a vertical plane. Many just shoot the loop over the tops of the trees as they don't have any real effect on radiation for a loop anyhow. LOL!!!
 
Mike
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----- Original Message -----
From: J. B. Weazle McCreath
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:11 AM
Subject: LF: Loop clarification

Hello LFers,

When mentioning that a loop is oriented E-W, does that refer
to the plane of the actual loop or to its resulting pattern?

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:24:34 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F99X7-000691-Op for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:24:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F99X7-00068S-If for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:24:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F99WV-0007wk-16 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:23:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F99WU-0007wb-KK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:23:54 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([216.148.227.151]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9Av4-0003AH-9S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:53:41 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter77.comcast.net ([204.127.197.177]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <20060214232322m1100poipae>; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:23:28 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter77.comcast.net; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:23:20 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb lf reflector Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:23:20 +0000 Message-Id: <021420062323.18692.43F2666800010B230000490422007510900B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: LF: WD@XGJ QRSS 3 137.696 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit WD2XGJ is running QRSS 3 on 137.696. Thanks to Hartmut and Markus for their suggestions. Reports Welcome! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:52:49 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F99yS-0006u3-HN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:52:48 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F99yS-0006tZ-Cl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:52:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F99xo-00085l-M8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:52:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F99xo-00085c-AL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:52:08 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246] helo=smtp-out2.hurontel.on.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9BMS-0003LF-8e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:21:55 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out2.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1ENoGXJ016367 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:50:16 -0500 Received: from server (dial173-ripley2.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.149.173]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id k1ENpGrT024895 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 18:51:17 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <010a01c631c1$68bb6ac0$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c6316e$da595910$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 23:38:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Loop clarification Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Jim, LFers, Thanks for the reply. Why I asked was due to what I read on page 31 of the book LF Today, where it states that the transmitting loop has "nulls of some 20 db in the plane of the loop". I knew of the difference with a ferrite rod type loop, but it seemed to me that a transmit loop should be the same as a frame receive loop in regards to its pattern. 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr ----- Original Message ----- From: "james moritz" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:59 PM Subject: LF: RE: Loop clarification > Dear J.B, LF Group, > > The maximum radiation/received signal is in the plane of the loop, so if the > plane of the loop is E/W, then maximum signal will also be E/W. > > Cheers, Jim Moritz > 73 de M0BMU > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:08:47 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9ADv-0005EF-33 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:08:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9ADu-0005Dq-S5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:08:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9ADU-0008Ca-Gq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:08:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9ADT-0008CR-Vn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:08:19 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246] helo=smtp-out2.hurontel.on.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9Bc4-0003R2-Oe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:38:07 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out2.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F06PSg001575 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:06:25 -0500 Received: from server (dial173-ripley2.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.149.173]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id k1F07JrT005939 for ; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:07:19 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <012601c631c3$a353ce00$0b01a8c0@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <021420062323.18692.43F2666800010B230000490422007510900B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:06:11 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Re: WD@XGJ QRSS 3 137.696 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060606080100040609000000" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060606080100040609000000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" To: "rsgb lf reflector" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:23 PM Subject: LF: WD@XGJ QRSS 3 137.696 > WD2XGJ is running QRSS 3 on 137.696. Thanks to Hartmut and > Markus for their suggestions. > Reports Welcome! > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > Hello Dex, Warren, LFers, Here's the capture at about 00:00 UTC using Argo QRSS3 slow: 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr --------------060606080100040609000000 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="QRSS3-XKO.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="QRSS3-XKO.jpg" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wBDAAYEBQYFBAYGBQYHBwYIChAKCgkJChQODwwQFxQY GBcUFhYaHSUfGhsjHBYWICwgIyYnKSopGR8tMC0oMCUoKSj/2wBDAQcHBwoIChMKChMoGhYa KCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCgoKCj/wAAR CAAzAlEDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHQAAAQUBAQEBAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEBQYHAgEICf/EAEQQAAIB AgQEBQEGAwcCAwkAAAECAwQRAAUSIQYTMUEHFCJRYXEVIzKBkaFCUrEkM2LB0eHwFvEXQ1Ql NTdFY3WDkrP/xAAaAQADAQEBAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAQIDBAYF/8QALBEAAgIBAgMHBAMBAAAA AAAAAAECESEDMRJRoRMyQWGBkdEEIkJxIzOxwf/aAAwDAQACEQMRAD8AwRqesqKmaGSaWoWD 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v2.00) id 1F9ARa-0007Zy-On for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:22:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9ARa-0007Zm-Ky for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:22:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9ARF-0008Iu-KB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:22:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9ARF-0008Il-7S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:22:33 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([216.148.227.153]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9BFc-0003iG-MV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:14:37 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter01.comcast.net ([204.127.197.111]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060215002148m1300frqrce>; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:21:48 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter01.comcast.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:21:46 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:21:46 +0000 Message-Id: <021520060021.27968.43F2741A0009B06700006D4022007374780B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: WD@XGJ QRSS 3 137.696 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit JB, Thanks for the capture. I can see that the cw i.d. interferes with the qrss message quite a bit more at these speeds! -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" > To: "rsgb lf reflector" > Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:23 PM > Subject: LF: WD@XGJ QRSS 3 137.696 > > > > WD2XGJ is running QRSS 3 on 137.696. Thanks to Hartmut and > > Markus for their suggestions. > > Reports Welcome! > > > > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > > FN42hi > > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > Hello Dex, Warren, LFers, > > Here's the capture at about 00:00 UTC using Argo QRSS3 slow: > > 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL > Solar and wind powered > EN93dr > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:46:34 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9Dcf-0001xK-Jb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:46:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9Dcf-0001wj-Fi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:46:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9Dbv-0000RL-Ob for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:45:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9Dbv-0000RC-3O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 03:45:47 +0000 Received: from vms040pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9F0a-0005HM-Nx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:15:38 +0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([141.156.167.199]) by vms040.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-4.02 (built Sep 9 2005)) with ESMTPA id <0IUP00MBAMFKI2O0@vms040.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2006 21:45:24 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:45:20 -0500 From: Andre Kesteloot To: AMRAD Tacos , rsgb_lf_group Message-id: <43F2A3D0.3020101@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax;nscd1) Subject: LF: Off Topic: HAM RADIO OPERATORS "TRUE HEROES," Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ==>HAM RADIO OPERATORS "TRUE HEROES," REP MIKE ROSS, WD5DVR, SAYS IN "SALUTE" US Rep Mike Ross, WD5DVR (D-AR), this week offered "A Salute to Ham Radio Operators" on the floor of the US House. Ross, one of two Amateur Radio licensees in the House of Representatives (the other is Rep Greg Walden, W7EQI, R-OR), addressed his colleagues February 8 to recognize the contributions of the Amateur Radio community in the wake of last year's devastating hurricane season. "Citizens throughout America dedicated to this hobby--a hobby that some people consider old fashioned or obsolete--were true heroes in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina as they were often the only line of communication available into the storm ravaged areas," Ross said. He noted that while ham radio is often overlooked "in favor of flashier means of communication," Gulf Coast communities learned after the 2005 hurricanes that technology can be "highly vulnerable" to storm damage. "Ham radios, entirely self- contained transmitters, require no cell towers or satellites, simply a battery and a strip of wire as an antenna," Ross explained. Because of the "critical intervention" of radio amateurs across the US, Ross said, many lives were saved following Hurricane Katrina. "The dedication displayed by ham radio operators in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina sets a tremendous example for us all," Ross concluded, noting that "now more than ever" he's proud to be an Amateur Radio operator. "The people whose lives were rescued as a result of the tireless dedication of ham radio operators will forever be grateful to these selfless public servants." From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:47:47 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9FVx-0002yc-Ts for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:47:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9FVx-0002yF-M2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:47:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9FVI-0000qZ-E4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:47:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9FVH-0000qQ-Jn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:47:03 +0000 Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.206]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9GJk-0007VC-Ql for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:39:14 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.258.6df6c7f (18403) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:46:50 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <258.6df6c7f.31241a49@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:46:49 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: WD@XGJ QRSS 3 137.696 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010104000408060200070209" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010104000408060200070209 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Warren,

caught what looks like "GJ" around 04:34 - you are on 2196 Hz on the frequency scale.

73 de Markus, DF6NM



In einer eMail vom 15.02.2006 00:24:32 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt k2ors@comcast.net:

WD2XGJ is running QRSS 3 on 137.696. Thanks to Hartmut and Markus for their suggestions.
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ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9G4V-0003AI-EY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:23:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9G3Y-00010x-7h for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:22:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9G3X-00010o-H7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:22:27 +0000 Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com ([205.188.157.35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9HSH-0006va-T9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 07:52:21 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r7.3.) id l.230.6eee78d (18403) for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:21:58 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <230.6eee78d.31242286@aol.com> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:21:58 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: WD2XKO qrss-3 137701 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050908010809010001090309" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050908010809010001090309 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Dex,

... this one is from 6:02 - and still going strong at 6:20. Not too bad ;-)

73 de Markus, DF6NM


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Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9Hb2-0001KL-CA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:01:08 +0000 Received: from omc2-s9.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.249.19]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9IPT-00006J-ME for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:53:22 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.124]) by omc2-s9.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:00:35 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:00:35 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 71.37.244.7 by BAY5-DAV20.phx.gbl with DAV; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:00:35 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [71.37.244.7] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200602150727.k1F7RlAL023633@post.webmailer.de> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:00:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 02:00:35 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2006 08:00:35.0593 (UTC) FILETIME=[E6DA4F90:01C63205] Subject: LF: Re: T/A QRSS3 and QRSS1 Feb, 15th Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Looks like it is CW time maybe??? Or darn close to that.
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Hartmut Wolff
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:28 AM
Subject: LF: T/A QRSS3 and QRSS1 Feb, 15th

Dex and Warren,

solid copy of the QRSS3 signals and WD2XKO in QRSS1.
Screenshots attached.

73

Hartmut


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:09:53 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9HjT-0006Zl-AP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:09:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9HjT-0006ZZ-56 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:09:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9HjB-0001Qa-UL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:09:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9Hj8-0001QR-HV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:09:30 +0000 Received: from smtp1-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.27]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9J7s-0007u4-Oq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:39:25 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp1-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 0F00064A78 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:09:13 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000e01c63207$19d72d90$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:09:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: TA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello all , on the list !
This night , i not copy anything of TA beacons !
Is the propagation ? or my equipment broken down ?
there is my question !
 
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:24:19 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9HxS-0005tc-R5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:24:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9HxS-0005sD-Kk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:24:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9Hx9-0001Xv-8s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:23:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9Hx8-0001Xm-TI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:23:58 +0000 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9JLv-00089r-2m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:53:54 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.05.04 201-2131-123-105-20051025) with SMTP id <20060215082336.MZUX20529.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 01:23:36 -0700 Message-ID: <001501c63209$59461f20$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c63207$19d72d90$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 00:25:15 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: TA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Jean-Pierre
 
Everyone is running QRSS3 down the band except VE3OT which remains in the waterhole...
 
73 Scott
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:09 AM
Subject: LF: TA

Hello all , on the list !
This night , i not copy anything of TA beacons !
Is the propagation ? or my equipment broken down ?
there is my question !
 
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:38:55 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9IBZ-0007Ie-5z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:38:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9IBZ-0007IF-0n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:38:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9IB3-0001dj-1s for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:38:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9IAx-0001da-KU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:38:15 +0000 Received: from smtp1-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.27]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9IzT-0000S1-DV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:30:30 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp1-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id D63D76923D for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:37:41 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000e01c6320b$11d3a570$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?Windows-1252?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c63207$19d72d90$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> <001501c63209$59461f20$0201a8c0@private.network> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:37:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: Re: TA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Ok Scott ! Tnx
73 J-P
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:25 AM
Subject: LF: Re: TA

Jean-Pierre
 
Everyone is running QRSS3 down the band except VE3OT which remains in the waterhole...
 
73 Scott
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:09 AM
Subject: LF: TA

Hello all , on the list !
This night , i not copy anything of TA beacons !
Is the propagation ? or my equipment broken down ?
there is my question !
 
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:49:34 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9ILs-0003va-O3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:49:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9ILs-0003vB-Kk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:49:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9ILY-0001lE-Mn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:49:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9ILY-0001l5-9Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 08:49:12 +0000 Received: from natfrord.rzone.de ([81.169.145.161]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9JA6-0000ZJ-H0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:41:27 +0000 Received: from w2 (p54867F4E.dip.t-dialin.net [84.134.127.78]) by post.webmailer.de (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k1F8mqtC009682 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:48:53 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: <200602150848.k1F8mqtC009682@post.webmailer.de> From: "Hartmut Wolff" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:49:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.5510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <000e01c63207$19d72d90$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Thread-Index: AcYyB29Lp/VVla/rSAmQXlFWkC537AABNEkA Subject: LF: AW: TA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello Jean-Piere, Until 05:30, when I left home for work, copied VO1NA and partial copy of "MP" VE3OT in T/A-window. 73 Hartmut -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Jean-Pierre Méré Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Februar 2006 09:09 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: TA Hello all , on the list ! This night , i not copy anything of TA beacons ! Is the propagation ? or my equipment broken down ? there is my question ! 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:18:03 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9InO-0008Uo-Hc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:18:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9InO-0008UG-4H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:17:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9In5-0001tC-AW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:17:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9In1-0001t3-71 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:17:35 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.30]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9KBn-0000Up-FN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:47:31 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (unknown [82.247.200.10]) by smtp4-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 9F2484F233 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:16:48 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <002701c63210$8bed0630$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200602150848.k1F8mqtC009682@post.webmailer.de> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:16:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: AW: TA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Ok Hartmut ! Tnx 73 J-P afj ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartmut Wolff" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 9:49 AM Subject: LF: AW: TA Hello Jean-Piere, Until 05:30, when I left home for work, copied VO1NA and partial copy of "MP" VE3OT in T/A-window. 73 Hartmut -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] Im Auftrag von Jean-Pierre Méré Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Februar 2006 09:09 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: LF: TA Hello all , on the list ! This night , i not copy anything of TA beacons ! Is the propagation ? or my equipment broken down ? there is my question ! 73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:48:40 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9JH5-0006tP-Lu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:48:40 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9JH4-0006sK-U2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:48:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9JFE-00020f-Pt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:46:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9JFD-00020W-Qf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:46:43 +0000 Received: from smtpout0179.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.179] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9K3k-0001FB-67 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 10:38:59 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.228.89) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43E3F7800014D6FE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:46:32 +0000 Message-ID: <002901c63214$ba4a3d00$59e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:39:44 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: QRS 1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Dex and Warren and LF ops.
You will be pleased to know that I copied your signals early this morning on 137.7 khz.
Dex/WD2XKO was visible from around 0430z and strong at 0700z sending full calls WD2XKO at QRS 3 followed by QRS 1.
I had solid copy at both speeds with full callsigns. Photo of acty sent direct.
 
Warren/XKO was best at 0523z but also visible at 0705z with reduced strength with good ID sending XKO at QRS 3.
With present propagation conditions the higher speeds would appear to be successful, and the next step could be normal CW given a dedicated effort at both ends.
A QSO would have been possible last night for me with XKO at QRS 1
The antenna this end was my TX/RX vertical system, next time I will also try the 80m vert loop.
No other signals seen last night on 137.7, perhaps there was no one else there.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
   
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:33:57 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9Kuv-0002xE-D6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:33:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9Kuv-0002v8-9V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:33:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9Ku3-0002HM-BJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:32:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9Ku2-0002HD-Ud for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:32:58 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.152]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9MIp-0002R0-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:02:57 +0000 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060215113227m1200qj26ue>; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 11:32:32 +0000 Message-ID: <002f01c63223$8273a920$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 06:32:26 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA 15 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Quiet condx but lower signal levels and more fading than the previous night. CT1DRP and DF6NM in HELL mode...probably would have been solid copy the previous night. http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:06:13 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9MMH-0007dq-0L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:06:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9MMG-0007dL-QY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:06:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9MLd-0002W3-RI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:05:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9MLd-0002Vu-8l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:05:33 +0000 Received: from bay102-f23.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.33] helo=hotmail.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9NAF-0003GM-H9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:57:53 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 05:04:59 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 13:04:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.236.111] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 04:04:59 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Feb 2006 13:04:59.0858 (UTC) FILETIME=[6D33FB20:01C63230] Subject: LF: Sabah E Malaysia Ops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Greetings - Im packing my wellies and pack-a-mac but here are some more details of our trip to Borneo. All times UTC and refer to around the end of Feb - Station operation - Kota Kinabalu = Site faces sea some 5 miles in land but a few hundred feet asl E probe Aerial height will be around 60ft, and hi-z wire will start at that height. The place is noizy but I have plans to mitigate some of that. We arrive on 24th Feb and stay till 10th March but some of that will be radio less. I plan to be qrv by the evening of the 24th. Sun sets (when it shines although we are hopefully coming to the end of the one of two monsoon seasons in March) at OJ85BW is appx 1027-2227 UT Mutual darkness windows :- Western Eu appx 1732-2227 UT - nice long window East Coast N America 1027-1142 UT - small window Mid Continent N America 1027-1253 UT West Coast N America 1027-1432 UT Some background of what Im doing there = http://www.raleighinternational.org/overseas/malaysia.html Cheers Laurence KL1X 9m6/gm4dma em26br From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:44:18 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9NtB-0004C0-Dv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:44:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9NtB-0004Bl-2r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:44:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9NsY-0002kl-1n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:43:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9NsV-0002ka-Ij for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:43:35 +0000 Received: from olympus.pncl.co.uk ([195.224.180.233] helo=olive.pncl.co.uk) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9Oh9-0004TW-Ka for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 15:35:58 +0000 Received: from AUG2004 ([84.12.24.173]) (authenticated bits=0) by olive.pncl.co.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k1FEih7D029204 for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:44:44 GMT Message-ID: <001701c6323e$27799b40$2101a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:42:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Pinnacle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Pinnacle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: blanch@pncl.co.uk Subject: LF: Re: Sabah E Malaysia Ops Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Watch out for Kinabalu Laurence - it's highly magnetic! Used to totally screw our compasses when I was flying out there in the 50's. Walter G3JKV. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence KL1X" To: ; Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 1:04 PM Subject: LF: Sabah E Malaysia Ops > Greetings - Im packing my wellies and pack-a-mac but here are some more > details of our trip to Borneo. All times UTC and refer to around the end > of Feb - > > Station operation - Kota Kinabalu = Site faces sea some 5 miles in land > but a few hundred feet asl > E probe Aerial height will be around 60ft, and hi-z wire will start at > that height. The place is noizy but I have plans to mitigate some of that. > > We arrive on 24th Feb and stay till 10th March but some of that will be > radio less. > > I plan to be qrv by the evening of the 24th. > > Sun sets (when it shines although we are hopefully coming to the end of > the one of two monsoon seasons in March) at OJ85BW is appx 1027-2227 UT > > Mutual darkness windows :- > Western Eu appx 1732-2227 UT - nice long window > > East Coast N America 1027-1142 UT - small window > > Mid Continent N America 1027-1253 UT > > West Coast N America 1027-1432 UT > > > Some background of what Im doing there = > http://www.raleighinternational.org/overseas/malaysia.html > > Cheers Laurence KL1X 9m6/gm4dma > em26br > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:06:37 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9PAq-0005pa-4a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:06:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9PAp-0005pP-Ub for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:06:36 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9PA2-0002yO-0J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:05:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9PA1-0002yF-DL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:05:45 +0000 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9Pyi-00056v-LT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:58:09 +0000 Received: from fwd27.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1F9P9z-0003H7-03; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:05:43 +0100 Received: from HW1 (r23I5mZJgeVBIvs96wJ+yXCp2Bhr66dl0qpWyHkPmDC3ShDkAVDv0i@[84.133.127.122]) by fwd27.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1F9P7Z-05xZjM0; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:03:13 +0100 Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:03:10 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <226817328.20060215170310@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: r23I5mZJgeVBIvs96wJ+yXCp2Bhr66dl0qpWyHkPmDC3ShDkAVDv0i X-TOI-MSGID: 5d78a6b3-e960-46fa-96b1-cd42ae9dd835 Subject: LF: XKO QRSS1 dogbones Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000402010703000402050005" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000402010703000402050005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Attached a screenshot of Dex's QRSS3/1 transmission. 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Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9PV0-00034k-Ki for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:27:26 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([216.148.227.154]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9QJh-0005Gv-6l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:19:51 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter77.comcast.net ([204.127.197.177]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <20060215162716m1400qhudle>; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:27:16 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter77.comcast.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:27:15 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Hartmut Wolff Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:27:15 +0000 Message-Id: <021520061627.13450.43F35662000AD5470000348A22007510900B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: XKO QRSS1 dogbones X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hartmut, Peak signals seem to be around 06:00 UTC (your sunrise). I switched to low power at 05:00 UTC, perhaps that is when I should be going to high power! Mal reports a Loran line on the frequency I used last night 137.696 so I will probably be moving. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm -------------- Original message ---------------------- From: Hartmut Wolff > Attached a screenshot of Dex's QRSS3/1 transmission. When I posted my > earlier message I wasn't aware of this. > > 73 > Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:41:11 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9PiJ-0004f7-5s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:41:11 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9PiJ-0004ei-0A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:41:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9Phi-0003BX-QL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:40:34 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9Phi-0003BO-6n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:40:34 +0000 Received: from smtpout0163.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.163] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9QWL-0005QT-Kn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:32:59 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.44) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43E3F7800015A9FF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:40:21 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c6324e$8ad09080$2ce8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000e01c63207$19d72d90$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 14:16:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: Re: TA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:09 AM
Subject: LF: TA

Hello all , on the list !
This night , i not copy anything of TA beacons !
Is the propagation ? or my equipment broken down ?
there is my question !
 
73 qro Jean-Pierre f1afj JN06ht
 
Hi Jean
Try 137.7 khz at QRS 3 and you will see all the QRQ action!!
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:41:29 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9PiY-0004wG-2r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:41:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9PiX-0004w2-Ua for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:41:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9Pi8-0003Bk-C1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:41:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9Pi8-0003Bb-0O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:41:00 +0000 Received: from smtpout0164.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.164] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9R6z-0006EP-Bx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:11:03 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.44) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 43E3F7800015AA08 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:40:27 +0000 Message-ID: <000e01c6324e$8cae2a20$2ce8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002f01c63223$8273a920$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:40:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: Re: TA 15 FEB 06 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 11:32 AM Subject: LF: TA 15 FEB 06 > Quiet condx but lower signal levels and more fading than the previous night. CT1DRP and DF6NM in > HELL mode...probably would have been solid copy the previous night. > > http://www.w1vd.com/gallery2006.html > > Jay, W1VD Jay. I copied XKO and XGJ well last nite, at QRS3 and 1 and if as you say condx were not good think what these boys would be like on a good nite !! 73 Mal/G3KEV > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:52:55 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9Ptd-0005Xb-EH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:52:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9Ptd-0005XJ-7u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:52:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9Psy-0003Ms-NI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:52:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9Psy-0003Mj-Al for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:52:12 +0000 Received: from mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9RHq-0006MB-Hc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:22:16 +0000 Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060215164804.EQYA29066.mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:48:04 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([82.10.67.170]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060215164804.DEON22037.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:48:04 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 16:47:55 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <43F35B3B.744.40CCF8@localhost> In-reply-to: References: <000c01c63149$42756000$43e8fc3e@l8p8y6> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: LF: Antenna question.. Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dave, The slope downwards on the top section will reduce your effective height and hence the ERP. Note that with a short Marconi the ERP is proportional to the square of the effective height, so this factor is =extremely= important. If there is any way to increase the 5m end, even by a little, then do so. The loss will be reduced by placing a loading coil higher up the vertical section, preferably at the top but the middle will do if it's more converient mechanically. This has the effect of reducing the voltage on the up wire and hence reducing local environmental losses, such as those to the brickwork on your house. It should also reduce your interference and pick-up problems. So it is well worth doing. I can advise on light-weight inductors (or see my book: LF Today). If you have a mast at the house end, you may find it helpful to ground it (yes, I know it ought to 'short circuit' the vertical, but in fact it provides a relatively low loss capacitor to earth, instead of a resistor of variable loss depending on the weather). If you want to do a 'before and after' test, let me know. I am usually at my desk/shack during the day. Good luck. Mike, G3XDV ========== > I am planning to re-engineer my antenna during the Spring, and I have > a design decision to make. > I use an "L" antenna with a vertical section and a horizontal top > section that is 20m long. The "horizontal" top section is 10m high at > the house end, and slopes down to 5m at the far end. The vertical > section is a single wire, with a large loading coil/variometer at the > bottom, in the usual time-honoured fashion. > My choice is:- do I feed the top section at the house end, in which > case the vertical section will be 10m high, or at the far end, where > the vertical section will be only 5m high? At first glance, it might > be thought that the 10m vertical would be preferable, but the fact > that the top section slopes confuses the situation. > > Another problem with feeding at the house end is that the vertical > section is very near the house and causes all sorts of RFI problems. > It also picks up a load of mains-borne rubbish! > Second question:- Has anyone experienced any tangible benefits by > including an extra loading coil part-way up the vertical section? > 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:16:06 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9QG5-0005Ct-Qd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:16:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9QG5-0005Ce-Id for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:16:05 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9QF5-0003VZ-Up for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:15:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9QF5-0003VQ-Jk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:15:03 +0000 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9Rdx-0006aq-Qe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:45:07 +0000 Received: from p1i5f0 (gi76.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.81]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C7878B930A for ; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:14:32 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001101c63254$149fdaa0$5111f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002901c63214$ba4a3d00$59e4fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 09:20:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: MP Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080805040906000000010001" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080805040906000000010001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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1F9QGK-0006yz-JO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:16:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9QGK-0006yj-00 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:16:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9QFp-0003Vo-NA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:15:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9QFp-0003Vf-CH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:15:49 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.192.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9Reg-0006bD-69 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:45:53 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter78.comcast.net ([204.127.197.178]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <20060215171522m1300fknk7e>; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:15:23 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter78.comcast.net; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:15:19 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb lf reflector Cc: LWCA LF Reflector Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:15:19 +0000 Message-Id: <021520061715.18320.43F361A7000959930000479022007613940B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Aug 4 2005) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: LF: DSP Question I/Q inputs? X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello the list, A friend of mine is building a hardware converter for his Racal 6830 that will mix the 455kHz i.f. down to 8.44 kHz and provide I/Q outputs. This is so he can pipe the output into Alberto's SDRADIO program and demodulate the wideband modes (AM/FM/SSB) in DSP. A question arises would there be any applications at LF? I'm thinking it might be useful for PSK type signals but not sure on this one. Alberto, Wolf, any thoughts on this one? -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:52:39 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9QpS-0000DK-21 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:52:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1F9QpR-0000D2-SQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:52:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1F9QoE-0003mm-OE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:51:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1F9QoE-0003md-BL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:51:22 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net ([165.212.64.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1F9SD4-00071V-Bb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 19:21:27 +0000 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net (cmsout03.mbox.net [165.212.64.33]) by cmsout03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6052B1EF; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:50:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout03.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.27I); Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:50:24 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID729kBoRYy1346X03 Received: from [192.168.0.7] [151.46.55.191] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.27E) with ESMTP id 755kBoRYw0496M36; Wed, 15 Feb 2006 17:50:22 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.46.55.191 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.7] Message-ID: <43F369DE.3080405@usa.net> Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2006 18:50:22 +0100 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (Windows/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: LWCA LF Reflector References: <021520061715.18320.43F361A7000959930000479022007613940B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <021520061715.18320.43F361A7000959930000479022007613940B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.94.0.0 Z-USANET-MsgId: XID755kBoRYX0496X36 Subject: LF: Re: DSP Question I/Q inputs? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ wrote: > Hello the list, > > A friend of mine is building a hardware converter for his Racal 6830 that will mix the 455kHz i.f. down to 8.44 kHz and provide I/Q outputs. This is so he can pipe the output into Alberto's SDRADIO program and demodulate the wideband modes (AM/FM/SSB) in DSP. > > A question arises would there be any applications at LF? I'm thinking it might be useful for PSK type signals but not sure on this one. > > Alberto, Wolf, any thoughts on this one? > > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ Warren, you can certainly recover the PSK modulated signal using the USB or the LSB mode of SDRadio. But then you need a PSK decoder. One possible solution would be to use VAC (Virtual Audio Cable). VAC implements virtual sound cards, so, e.g. you can tell SDRadio that the output sound card is Virtual Cable Out 1, then you tell to the PSK program of your choice to accept input from the Virtual Cable In 1. Using this technique you can reroute the output of a sound card program to the input of another sound card program without the need of having two separate sound cards in your PC. I have used it and it works. The URL where you can find it is: http://software.muzychenko.net/eng/vac.html It is not free though...a single copy will cost you 30 USD. There is also a demo version, but its purpose is just to evaluate if VAC would work on your setup before shelling the money, as after just a couple of minutes of working, it adds artificial noise to the rerouted audio...clever guy! 73 Alberto I2PHD