From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:58:01 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Egwcu-0001QF-C9 for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:58:01 +0000 Received: from mail8.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.82]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Egwct-0001Q3-54 for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:57:56 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail8.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAT3toa1019131; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:56:48 -0500 Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA25364 for lowfer-14416503; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:57:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from generation.lgisp.net (joseph.ncoldns.com [208.181.178.5]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA25360 for ; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 22:57:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from jsm (unknown [209.121.18.97]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 56020B7AB4; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:55:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003c01c5f498$359523e0$9a4bfea9@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: lowfer@lwca.org Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: [LW] Fw: 600MRG> DI2AG Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:51:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) > November 28, 2005 > > Gentlemen: > > Walter Staubach DJ2LF has an experimental license > to transmit on 440.044 kHz. He has reception reports from > all over Europe, but so far none from North America. His > license expires on Dec. 31 so he invites you to listen for > him before then. > > DI2AG transmitts 24/7. Usually the ERP is 0.4 W and > he has recently been transmitting PSK-31. > > During December, he will be transmitting QRSS30 with 4W ERP > from 2300 to 1000 GMT on friday/saturday, saturday/sunday, > and sunday/monday evenings to facilitate Trans-Atlantic reception. > > You can contact him at > > 73 de Fritz W1FR > > ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:30:37 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgU6T-0001CS-Ay for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:30:36 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgU6T-00015f-7D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:30:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EgU5I-0004vN-Un for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:29:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EgU5I-0004vE-EO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:29:20 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EgV0S-0000py-VG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:28:28 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter90.comcast.net ([204.127.197.190]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <200511272128540140039vise>; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:28:59 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter90.comcast.net; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:28:52 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: LWCA LF Reflector Cc: rsgb lf reflector Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:28:52 +0000 Message-Id: <112720052128.17372.438A25140002134B000043DC22068246930B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: LF: WD2XGJ Off TFN X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit WD2XGJ will be off til further notice. Something snapped in the antenna tuner, hope to take it down tomorrow and have a look. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:53:21 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgMy0-0002nm-8G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:53:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgMy0-0002nR-2o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:53:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EgMxB-0003ku-J6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:52:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EgMxA-0003kl-UV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:52:28 +0000 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EgNsF-0005Xw-PF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:51:29 +0000 Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EgMw7-00039O-04; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:51:23 +0100 Received: from HW1 (bKT2QoZlgevHjeC1zw1YHPoWSg16krIPgKvlTPRhCsvmPmbh1l3Mcz@[84.133.84.40]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EgMw1-28LCLY0; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:51:17 +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:51:13 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <469589844.20051127145113@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, Lowfer MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: bKT2QoZlgevHjeC1zw1YHPoWSg16krIPgKvlTPRhCsvmPmbh1l3Mcz X-TOI-MSGID: da067867-9e6d-4186-ada6-87791374b0ae Subject: LF: TA Nov, 26/27th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Copied VO1NA 17:00-08:30 UTC on 137.777kHz. Strong 23:00-07:30. One full "WD2XGJ" string copied 05:20-06:05. At other times there was a lot of fading during the night. WD2XKO best 04:15-07:45 UTC. At other times there was a lot of fading, too. When I first saw the waterfull diagramm of WD2XES's new WOLF frequency, I didn't expect a copy. Because there are some nearby Loran lines. But decoded the WOLF signal the whole night. Best 02:00-03:00 UTC. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:28:01 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Eg7aS-0001TN-Of for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:28:01 +0000 Received: from mail11.atl.registeredsite.com ([216.247.37.25]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Eg7aS-0001T0-Co for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:28:00 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail11.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAQLPLKg024300; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:26:40 -0500 Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27185 for lowfer-14416503; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:26:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout05-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout05-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.221]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA27181 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 16:26:53 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 24202 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 21:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout05-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.221) with ESMTP; 26 Nov 2005 21:24:43 -0000 Message-ID: <006301c5f2cf$dd4a18e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: lowfer@lwca.org Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: [LW] XES QSY 137.271 kHz Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:25:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) WD2XES will be on 137.271 kHz tonight starting at 2330 with WOLF 10. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:35:14 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfgXZ-0001KZ-L6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:35:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfgXZ-0001KB-Cf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:35:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EfgWk-0005Bu-5S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:34:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EfgWi-0005Bl-Rr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:34:20 +0000 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EfghM-0002S8-Cx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:45:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 9039 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 16:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 25 Nov 2005 16:33:05 -0000 Message-ID: <005d01c5f1dd$f44ed280$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@lwca.org Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:33:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: LF: XES WOLF tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) XES will be running WOLF 10 on 137.422 kHz at 300 watts tonight, starting around 2330 UTC. Laurence will be watching... John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:34:39 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfY6Q-0005BJ-H9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:34:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfY6Q-0005Ac-6I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:34:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EfY5k-0003xR-GU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:33:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EfY5j-0003xI-N6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:33:55 +0000 Received: from omc1-s19.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.248.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EfYzy-00040M-Jk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:32:04 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.118]) by omc1-s19.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:33:47 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:33:47 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.224.65.75 by BAY5-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:33:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.224.65.75] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: "Lowfer_Post" Cc: "rsgb_lf_group" Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 01:33:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 01:33:46 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2005 07:33:47.0495 (UTC) FILETIME=[927A8770:01C5F192] Subject: LF: Transmit/Receive relay circuit needed... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Does anyone have a schematic of a transmit/receive (T/R) relay circuit with RF sense or a diode T/R switch circuit that they could post or email me? I need something that can have a delay for running CW with a transverter and final amp.
 
Thank you,
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
EN35hj
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:03:39 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfUoE-0003AT-7z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:03:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfUoE-00039x-3b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:03:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EfUnx-0003ej-B6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:03:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EfUnw-0003ea-Rr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:03:20 +0000 Received: from outbound01.telus.net ([199.185.220.220] helo=priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EfVi8-0002Qe-LU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 05:01:25 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051125040310.FRMI18515.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:03:10 -0700 Message-ID: <007501c5f175$676272e0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:04:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TIL howling... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
137.422KHz... Running the NDB TX BTTW...
 
Scott
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:58:10 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfB3Z-00019j-Jd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:58:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfB3Z-00019O-Du for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:58:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EfB2j-0001Q6-Vq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:57:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EfB2j-0001Px-Cn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:57:17 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.55] helo=priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EfBCi-0005Js-Om for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:07:37 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051124065709.EAQG1890.priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:57:09 -0700 Message-ID: <019f01c5f0c4$8a027400$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:58:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TIL returns to QRSSine 120 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
WOLF off...
 
QRSSine 120 on 137778.1ish...
 
Scott
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:21:41 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EekGQ-0008Ud-DV for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:21:41 +0000 Received: from mail11.atl.registeredsite.com ([216.247.37.25]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EekGP-0008UC-Rc for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:21:38 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail11.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAN2Ic9H014275; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:20:02 -0500 Received: by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13538 for lowfer-14416503; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:20:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-f34.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.44]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA13534 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:20:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 18:17:59 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 02:17:59 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.117.151.75] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: [LW] XE LF mobile again Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:17:59 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 Nov 2005 02:17:59.0565 (UTC) FILETIME=[1FCE5BD0:01C5EFD4] Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Ill be active on Rx from DL53CA, San Jose del Cabo, Baja Mexico, thats the Pacific coast side likely from night of 24th tihe last nite being 28th....got to work on the computer power! Likely scenerio is FRG100, Eprobe and old (trustworth to some extent) IBM thinkpad laptop from a position outside a graveyard... Requests to listen at night on X freq on Y mode would be welcomed - All subject to me being sober... Laurence KL1X/ in 5 ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:57:05 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EebS1-0003ij-HE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:57:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EebS1-0003ep-E2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:57:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EebRv-0006Vr-Iy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:56:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EebRv-0006Vi-7f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:56:55 +0000 Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EecL9-0002LP-UI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:54:03 +0000 Received: from fwd28.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EebRq-0002u0-03; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:56:50 +0100 Received: from HW1 (ZqUcrcZAwerAOKB7PfBMkqKCNgwkTFsQa5mxOYA5DfR-G+cE959g8O@[84.133.90.179]) by fwd28.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EebRd-1nBG0e0; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:56:37 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:56:33 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <17210311338.20051122175633@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, Lowfer MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: ZqUcrcZAwerAOKB7PfBMkqKCNgwkTFsQa5mxOYA5DfR-G+cE959g8O X-TOI-MSGID: 69d0bb0a-bb8d-4278-a979-724c9a3cbd43 Subject: LF: TA Nov, 21/22nd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Strong all night signal here of VO1NA. Visible 19:00-08:30 UTC. Weak daytime signal 13:00-15:00 UTC. WD2XGJ copied in QRSS30 and QRSS60 00:00-02:00. After 02:00 there was a lot of rapid fading. WD2XKO copied 23:50-00:40 and 05:00-07:00 UTC. A brief trace of the XDW-staircase appeared here about 05:30. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:38:53 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Edxpk-0001yb-Ts for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:38:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Edxpk-0001xp-Pe for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:38:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Edxp7-0003hm-DG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:38:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Edxp6-0003hd-Pt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:38:12 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240] helo=priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Edyhi-0003J4-GD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:34:39 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051120223654.MBYR9106.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:36:54 -0700 Message-ID: <042e01c5ee23$1fb5c780$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:38:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TIL conducting WOLF tests... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
TIL is presently conducting tests in WOLF 10 on 137.400KHz.  The exciter is not disiplined so I don't expect much; however, it appears stable on ARGO QRSS120...  The power output is about 75W...
 
Reports are very welcome....
 
73 Scott
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:05:00 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdX59-0007CE-CR for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:05:00 +0000 Received: from mail11.atl.registeredsite.com ([216.247.37.25]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdX59-0007Bd-2U for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:04:59 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail11.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAJI2IMc007286; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:03:48 -0500 Received: by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA28063 for lowfer-14416503; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:03:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from omc1-s29.bay6.hotmail.com (omc1-s29.bay6.hotmail.com [65.54.248.231]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28059 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 13:03:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.109]) by omc1-s29.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:01:39 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:01:39 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.224.65.75 by BAY5-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:01:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.224.65.75] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: "Lowfer_Post" , "rsgb_lf_group" Subject: [LW] Toroid inductor winding chart??? Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:01:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:01:37 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2005 18:01:39.0017 (UTC) FILETIME=[49FA1B90:01C5ED33] Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Does anyone have a chart or a link to an online chart for winding toroids to a specific inductance? The specific cores are T50-43 but if there is a universal chart available, that would be nice to keep around the shop for future inductor winding.
 
The toroids will be wound with Litz wire so we don't want to waste any expensive Litz if possible.
 
Thank you,
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI on the air 185.3025kc
EN35hj
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:19:47 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdTZB-0004LN-Sr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:19:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdTZB-0004K7-Nh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:19:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdTYq-0007GX-Sf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:19:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdTYq-0007GO-Cy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:19:24 +0000 Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.82]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdTgX-0001kz-25 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:27:23 +0000 Received: from fwd31.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EdTP1-0001d5-00; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 15:09:15 +0100 Received: from HW1 (GWIblBZaQenZw-7uX8daMhUDtKjuPhKLOvndMP6ElrRE5qG3Fmy+wg@[84.133.121.203]) by fwd31.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EdTO3-1v6vSK0; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 15:08:15 +0100 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 15:08:18 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <392040590.20051119150818@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "Lowfer (LWCA)" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: GWIblBZaQenZw-7uX8daMhUDtKjuPhKLOvndMP6ElrRE5qG3Fmy+wg X-TOI-MSGID: 31ea0025-cea2-4b55-adea-efd697d84d09 Subject: LF: TA Nov, 18/19th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) VO1NA: Copied "NA" 19:00-22:10 and 01:00-07:30 UTC. Strong between 01:00 and 06:30. WD2XDW: One full DFCW "XDW" string copied about 03:05-03:40 UTC. After that only partial copy until 06:30. WD2XES: Nothing copied of the 2.5b/s WOLF transmission. After the change to WOLF 5b/s good copy. WD2XGJ: Visible about 02:30-06:30 with a lot of fading. Best between 04:00 and 05:00. WD2XKO: Copied 22:45-06:55. Strong signal. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:08:47 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdTOZ-0005OD-6C for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:08:47 +0000 Received: from mail5.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.79]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdTOY-0005Nx-MW for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:08:47 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail5.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAJE3Pem008638; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:04:29 -0500 Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA14852 for lowfer-14416503; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:04:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from generation.lgisp.net (joseph.ncoldns.com [208.181.178.5]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14847 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:04:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from p1i5f0 (gi77.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.82]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 351B5B8439; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:03:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000d01c5ed12$406544e0$5211f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <010f01c5ecd0$c62392e0$0201a8c0@private.network> Subject: Re: [LW] TIL in PSK31... Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:05:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
>Conducting some tests on 137.400KHz in PSK31 @ ~50W  any reports welcome...
 

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VE7TIL/B CN89lg PSE QSL sthed@telus.net

VE7TIL/B CN89lg PSE QSL sthed@telus.net

VE7TIL/B CN89lg PSE QSL sthed@telus.net

 

Nice signal over here. 

Steve / VE7SL

Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at   http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:19:46 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdM4e-0000B0-T3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:19:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdM4e-0000AI-OS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:19:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdM3j-0006jQ-Sy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:18:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdM3j-0006jH-A0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:18:47 +0000 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdMvh-000736-V8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:14:35 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051119061454.NEZN26831.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:14:54 -0700 Message-ID: <010f01c5ecd0$c62392e0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:16:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TIL in PSK31... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Conducting some tests on 137.400KHz in PSK31 @ ~50W  any reports welcome...
 
73 Scott
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:11:25 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcYJA-0005mR-SD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:11:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcYJA-0005mJ-CU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:11:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EcYHh-0001s1-77 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:09:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EcYHg-0001rs-Le for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:09:52 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EcZ8n-0006gm-PX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:04:49 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter75.comcast.net ([204.127.197.157]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005111701093601400ntum2e>; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:09:41 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter75.comcast.net; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:09:34 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: LWCA LF Reflector Cc: rsgb lf reflector Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:09:34 +0000 Message-Id: <111720050109.11317.437BD84D00019A7E00002C3522064246130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: LF: Condx X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Excellent copy of the BBC tonite on 198 kHz. Just listened to the shipping forecast and now the news with commentary on Bush's trip to China. No luck with TMO on 185.3. Could be the sidebands from the bc station on 183 are a problem, even when using the 300Hz filter. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:08:50 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcYGa-0005nA-Qw for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:08:50 +0000 Received: from [64.224.219.80] (helo=mail6.atl.registeredsite.com) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcYGa-0005kv-8X for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:08:44 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail6.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAH175NJ007969; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:08:09 -0500 Received: by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01732 for lowfer-14416503; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:08:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc14.comcast.net [204.127.198.54]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA01728 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:08:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from rmailcenter75.comcast.net ([204.127.197.157]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005111701062101400p9h4ee>; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:06:31 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter75.comcast.net; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:06:20 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: LWCA LF Reflector Cc: rsgb lf reflector Subject: [LW] LF Condx tonite Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:06:20 +0000 Message-Id: <111720050106.5945.437BD77700003CF80000173922064246130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Excellent copy of the BBC on 198 tonite. Just listened to the shipping forecast and now listening to the news at the top of the hour (01:00 UTC). No luck on TMO, I was getting strong sidebands (even w/ 300 Hz i.f. filter) from the BC station on 183. Will try WOLF next. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:28:07 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcIeE-0004L2-Is for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:28:07 +0000 Received: from mail1.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.75]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcIeE-0004Kc-5s for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:28:06 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail1.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAG8OtJ5003169; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 03:26:08 -0500 Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA12513 for lowfer-14416503; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 03:26:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA12506 for ; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 03:26:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051116082417.PYNA19657.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:24:17 -0700 Message-ID: <00c601c5ea87$58edef40$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: [LW] NDB TX online on 2200m Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:25:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I finished the mods to the NDB TX tonight and sent my first 'linear mode' message on 2200m in PSK31 this evening.
 
Now to work on making it howl.
 
Scott
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:57:07 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcCXr-0005aD-CG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:57:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcCXr-0005a2-6u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:57:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EcCXD-000731-Et for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:56:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EcCXC-00072s-PY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:56:26 +0000 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EcDNz-00050C-Ga for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 02:51:00 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051116015617.JDPE7050.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:56:17 -0700 Message-ID: <004a01c5ea51$254bc3a0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:57:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TIL off for listening... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
TIL is off so I can listen tonight... I'll return to TX operation prior to ZL sunset tonight...
 
73 Scott
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:20:20 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcB2C-0006rZ-BW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:20:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcB2C-0006qA-4c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:20:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EcB1T-0006XG-0n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:19:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EcB1S-0006X7-Kz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:19:34 +0000 Received: from mx2-old.magma.ca ([206.191.0.250] helo=mx2.magma.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EcBsE-0003RX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:14:07 +0000 Received: from mail1.magma.ca (mail1.magma.ca [206.191.0.252]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jAG0IUa1008574; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:18:32 -0500 Received: from nocturna-y1zrar.magma.ca (nrtcorback-216-168-120-141.nrtco.net [216.168.120.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail1.magma.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jAG0IS9C019557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:18:30 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.1.20051115191527.01c27760@magma.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:18:52 -0500 To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Bill de Carle Cc: lowfer@lwca.org In-Reply-To: <004f01c5ea2a$23119cd0$7101a8c0@JKA> References: <399145516.20051115171224@t-online.de> <437A1A2C.5030607@freenet.de> <1783486731.20051115190053@t-online.de> <004f01c5ea2a$23119cd0$7101a8c0@JKA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Re: [LW] XES WOLF 20 Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit At 04:18 PM 11/15/2005, John Andrews wrote: >WD2XES will be using the WOLF 20 b/s mode tonight with 50 watts on 137.422 >kHz, starting around 2300 UTC. Reports are welcome. 2005-11-16 00:11:01 >WOLF -r 8100 -f 799.95 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 t: 12 f:-0.878 a:-0.9 dp:105.5 ci:11 cj:204 SWKRRPJMF/56KU/ ? t: 24 f:-0.887 a:-0.4 dp:105.8 ci: 8 cj:143 LQDKA9JHUQ0NV3L ? t: 48 f:-0.148 a:-1.6 dp:104.3 ci: 2 cj:345 M9WB0H0JZF37T2L ? t: 96 f: 0.000 pm:643.5 jm: 18 q: -6.8 -7.2 I38X6XG37 1T9GD ? t: 144 f: 0.000 pm: 1465 jm: 18 q: -3.2 -4.2 XES 50W WOLF 20 - t: 192 f: 0.000 pm: 1626 jm: 18 q: -3.1 -3.7 XES 50W WOLF 20 - Static is horrible here tonight as well (S9+ in 500 Hz BW) Signal not audible and absolutely no trace of it on the waterfall display. Good WOLF copy though. This rocks! Bill VE2IQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:36:32 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ec8Tf-0003Vc-Ei for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:36:32 +0000 Received: from mail3.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.77]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ec8Tf-0003VM-56 for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:36:31 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAFLYKMs031953; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:35:20 -0500 Received: by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09722 for lowfer-14416503; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:35:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailman1.ppco.com (mailman1.ppco.com [138.32.33.10]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA09717 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:35:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from bvlextrd01.conoco.net (bvlextrd01.conoco.net [138.32.33.139]) by mailman1.ppco.com (Switch-3.1.7/Switch-3.1.7) with ESMTP id jAFLY8Gv006612 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:34:08 -0600 Received: from mail1.ppco.com ([138.32.31.56]) by bvlextrd01.conoco.net with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:34:07 -0600 Received: from bvlexbh2.conoco.net (bvlexbh2.conoco.net [138.32.45.42]) by mail1.ppco.com (8.11.6+Sun/8.11.6) with ESMTP id jAFLY7u21926; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:34:07 -0600 (CST) Received: from bvlexmb1.conoco.net ([138.32.45.50]) by bvlexbh2.conoco.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:34:07 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: RE: [LW] XES WOLF 20 Tonight Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:34:06 -0600 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [LW] XES WOLF 20 Tonight Thread-Index: AcXqKgKjwEUV/MQkQoeCzg9pbcYfowAAgP7A From: "Howell, L" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2005 21:34:07.0126 (UTC) FILETIME=[4ECA2B60:01C5EA2C] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by lwca.org id QAA09717 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) And XDW will be in the pack on 137.451 WOLF 10 (Normal) at 1Kw from 0000Z till Oklahoma dawn. Laurence KL1X in 5/WD2XDW em26aq -----Original Message----- From: owner-lowfer@lwca.org [mailto:owner-lowfer@lwca.org] On Behalf Of John Andrews Sent: Tuesday, November 15, 2005 3:19 PM To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@lwca.org Subject: [LW] XES WOLF 20 Tonight WD2XES will be using the WOLF 20 b/s mode tonight with 50 watts on 137.422 kHz, starting around 2300 UTC. Reports are welcome. Hartmut's copy of the 5 b/s mode last night is good news. I'm not expecting the faster speeds to be DX-friendly, but let's see what happens! John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:14:20 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ec88B-0007CI-8G for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:14:20 +0000 Received: from mail12.atl.registeredsite.com ([216.247.37.26]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ec88A-0007Bo-Uz for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 21:14:19 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail12.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAFLC6cZ032356; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:13:31 -0500 Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA08522 for lowfer-14416503; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:13:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.79]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA08518 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 31678 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 21:11:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 15 Nov 2005 21:11:27 -0000 Message-ID: <004f01c5ea2a$23119cd0$7101a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@lwca.org References: <399145516.20051115171224@t-online.de> <437A1A2C.5030607@freenet.de> <1783486731.20051115190053@t-online.de> Subject: [LW] XES WOLF 20 Tonight Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:18:33 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) WD2XES will be using the WOLF 20 b/s mode tonight with 50 watts on 137.422 kHz, starting around 2300 UTC. Reports are welcome. Hartmut's copy of the 5 b/s mode last night is good news. I'm not expecting the faster speeds to be DX-friendly, but let's see what happens! John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:13:53 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ec3RP-0007vn-RL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:13:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ec3RP-0007vS-MX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:13:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ec3R9-0004I4-9U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:13:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ec3R8-0004Hv-Sj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:13:34 +0000 Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ec4Hl-0002O3-6h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:07:59 +0000 Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Ec3Q6-0002zy-03; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:12:30 +0100 Received: from HW1 (Xph7yEZ1Yef6ZZv9fdIefFlm7Fz8usY1QjERrHQORRl4rF6itG8MZ6@[84.133.97.175]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1Ec3Q2-0fk8Jc0; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:12:26 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:12:24 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <399145516.20051115171224@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "Lowfer (LWCA)" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: Xph7yEZ1Yef6ZZv9fdIefFlm7Fz8usY1QjERrHQORRl4rF6itG8MZ6 X-TOI-MSGID: 608a050c-2d0c-46e3-aeaa-654323623ba2 Subject: LF: TA Nov, 14/15th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Good overnight copy of VO1NA 19:00-06:00 UTC. Due to a lot of deep fading only partial copy of WD2XGJ and WD2XKO 00:00-06:00 UTC. Copied the 50W WOLF5 transmission of WD2XES. Decoding was made from a soundfile started at 02:00UTC. I changed the rx configuration: instead of an LC-filter with 10dB att. used a 3dB att. to remove the fuzzy lines which appeared in this range. Also used another computer for recording. See below. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de t: 48 f: 0.002 a:-1.0 dp: 97.1 ci:14 cj:324 J/MBKS???5W/??? ? t: 96 f:-0.013 a:-0.7 dp: 94.0 ci: 4 cj:237 OJINLQ*RMDBC8.1 ? t: 192 f: 0.009 a: 0.9 dp: 95.2 ci:13 cj:416 IXA*L0LBKCMTL8K ? t: 384 f: 0.015 pm:113.4 jm:819 q:-13.2 -8.1 9.0TUBAQCXB2HMO ? t: 576 f:-0.005 pm:165.5 jm:368 q: -6.7 -8.0 HSN/9TUV4C THXB ? t: 768 f: 0.000 pm:298.6 jm:368 q: -5.8 -5.9 L3DD4BSR .EOC8H - t: 960 f: 0.000 pm:355.3 jm:368 q: -5.0 -8.3 UZF*MD2OMJ*TR.8 ? t:1152 f: 0.000 pm:367.4 jm:368 q: -4.3 -8.4 /61EJDDD.7O4HEL ? t:1344 f: 0.000 pm:440.2 jm:368 q: -3.4 -5.1 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:1536 f: 0.000 pm:501.1 jm:368 q: -3.3 -4.7 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:1728 f: 0.000 pm:559.4 jm:368 q: -2.9 -5.0 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:1920 f: 0.000 pm:644.0 jm:368 q: -2.4 -4.4 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:2112 f: 0.000 pm:669.9 jm:368 q: -2.2 -4.3 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:2304 f: 0.000 pm:727.4 jm:368 q: -1.8 -3.1 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:2496 f: 0.000 pm:736.6 jm:368 q: -1.6 -2.6 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:2688 f: 0.000 pm:747.3 jm:368 q: -1.3 -2.4 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:2880 f: 0.000 pm:788.7 jm:368 q: -1.1 -2.3 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:3072 f: 0.000 pm:802.0 jm:368 q: -1.1 -2.1 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:3264 f: 0.000 pm:830.4 jm:368 q: -1.1 -2.3 XES 50W WOLF 5 - From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:52:27 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ebrrv-0007uo-93 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:52:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ebrru-0007uf-JF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:52:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbrrG-0001C1-8g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:51:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbrrF-0001Bs-Kp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:51:45 +0000 Received: from bay102-f14.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.24] helo=hotmail.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ebshh-0006wD-C1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:45:58 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:51:22 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:51:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.117.134] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:51:21 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2005 03:51:22.0322 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8013B20:01C5E997] Subject: LF: wd2xdw 137.451 off 0350z storms eom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit :-(( From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:22:10 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EboaP-0004yK-Aq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:22:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EboaO-0004yB-UZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:22:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Eboa7-0000K9-7M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:21:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Eboa6-0000K0-OK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:21:50 +0000 Received: from mx1.magmacom.com ([206.191.0.217]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbpjT-00018V-Qt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:35:36 +0000 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jAF0Lk4P008871; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:21:47 -0500 Received: from nocturna-y1zrar.magma.ca (nrtcorback-216-168-120-108.nrtco.net [216.168.120.108]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail4.magma.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jAF0LiSg015625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:21:46 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.1.20051114190437.01c901c0@magma.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:22:05 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Bill de Carle Cc: lowfer@lwca.org In-Reply-To: <003001c5e969$cac25b20$0500a8c0@charter.net> References: <67398444.20051114165749@t-online.de> <001701c5e936$9c06e310$020aa8c0@Laptop> <4378C41C.90803@freenet.de> <002a01c5e947$e53da760$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> <43790026.9020900@freenet.de> <003001c5e969$cac25b20$0500a8c0@charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: XES WOLF 5 Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit At 05:21 PM 11/14/2005, John wrote: >WD2XES is running WOLF at the 5 bit/sec rate on 137.422 kHz with 50 watts. 2005-11-14 23:56:23 >WOLF -r 8100 -f 799.95 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 t: 48 f: 0.000 a:-0.3 dp:147.0 ci:15 cj:221 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t: 96 f: 0.000 a:-0.2 dp:148.7 ci:15 cj:221 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t: 192 f: 0.000 a:-0.4 dp:150.1 ci:15 cj:221 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t: 384 f: 0.000 pm:334567 jm:519 q: 10.1 10.5 XES 50W WOLF 5 - Looking at the waterfall display, I see a fair amount of QSB on your signal tonight John. Probably means quite a bit of flutter in the freq/phase measurements. Years ago when we were testing COHERENT BPSK on HF we found the optimum rate over many different sets of conditions was MS25 (40 bits per second). Most operators don't type fast enough to overflow the buffer at that rate, and the HF phase flutter is acceptable. At lower rates copy would degrade (more on some nights than others) due to flutter. We are trying to measure the phase during each bit time, so of course we get the best answer when phase stays constant over the bit time. When the frequency changes due to doppler it results in phase changes at the receiver (that were not transmitted), so we get more errors. Same result with mistuning. At MS100 (10 symbols per second), a tuning error of +/- 2.5 Hz produces an error in the measured phase of +/- 90 degrees, which gets us exactly to the halfway point so the receiver cannot decide which phase was transmitted regardless of the SNR. The slower the rate (more msec per bit), the more critical the tuning gets. I don't know what the optimum signaling rate happens to be for 137 Khz at night, but I'd be inclined to guess somewhere around MS50 or 20 symbols per second. We're all looking forward to testing WOLF at the faster speeds. Bill VE2IQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:26:43 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ebmme-0000yp-5o for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:26:43 +0000 Received: from mail8.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.82]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ebmmd-0000yW-TX for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:26:40 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail8.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAEMM9G5008273; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:25:09 -0500 Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA24697 for lowfer-14416503; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:23:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.199]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA24687 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:23:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 3587 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 22:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.199) with ESMTP; 14 Nov 2005 22:21:34 -0000 Message-ID: <003001c5e969$cac25b20$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@lwca.org References: <67398444.20051114165749@t-online.de> <001701c5e936$9c06e310$020aa8c0@Laptop> <4378C41C.90803@freenet.de> <002a01c5e947$e53da760$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> <43790026.9020900@freenet.de> Subject: [LW] XES WOLF 5 Tonight Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:21:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) WD2XES is running WOLF at the 5 bit/sec rate on 137.422 kHz with 50 watts. Thanks to Lloyd, Bill deCarle and Jay whosuccessfully copied it last night, and everyone else who tried. Since both Laurence and Hartmut have well calibrated setups, I tend to think that the lack of copy was not due to sampling rate errors. Let's see how the "half speed" version works tonight. For those not keeping track, you will need to download the current version of the WOLF GUI, and go through the Mode option to set the speed to the 5 bit/sec rate. Earlier versions of WOLF or the WOLF GUI do not have the speed option. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:51:54 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbmEx-000655-Qj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:51:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbmEx-000638-Md for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:51:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbmEV-0007oe-Di for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:51:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbmEU-0007oV-Sd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:51:22 +0000 Received: from bay102-f36.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.46] helo=hotmail.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbnNn-0007we-OM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:05:05 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:50:57 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:50:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:50:57 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2005 21:50:57.0884 (UTC) FILETIME=[7ED5D9C0:01C5E965] Subject: LF: XDW WOLF10 137.451 Khz fm 2300z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject to storms Ill rattle the wolfs cage from around 2300z - it may be intermittent as I may have a listen for a while. Laurence KL1X in 5 Status and grabs http://myweb.cableone.net/flow From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:05:44 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbPyp-0004wH-2y for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:05:44 +0000 Received: from mail2.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.76]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbPyo-0004vt-JH for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:05:42 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail2.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jADM2psJ010896; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:03:41 -0500 Received: by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA11948 for lowfer-14416503; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:04:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-f6.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.16]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA11944 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:04:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:02:18 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:02:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.117.134] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: RE: [LW] Wolfs cleared its throat... Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:02:18 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2005 22:02:18.0925 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA5AB5D0:01C5E89D] Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit err WOLF 10... ;-) >From: "Laurence KL1X" >Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org >Subject: [LW] Wolfs cleared its throat... >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:47:39 -0900 > >Wd2XDW back on 137.451 WOLF from 2130z 13th Nov 1Kw > >Laurence KL1X in 5 em26aq > > > > >________________________________________ >Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! >Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm > ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:50:39 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbPkE-00011s-Og for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:50:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbPkE-00011j-LJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:50:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbPk9-0001wH-IG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:50:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbPk8-0001w8-Ms for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:50:32 +0000 Received: from smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.194]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbQa5-0002wu-SG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:44:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 18387 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2005 21:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.194) with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2005 21:49:20 -0000 Message-ID: <006b01c5e89c$1ed142e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@lwca.org References: <43779B9D.1030409@freenet.de> <003d01c5e895$3036dc40$0500a8c0@charter.net> <4377AC83.7060507@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:49:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: LF: WD2XES Slow Howl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) WD2XES is running the 2.5 bit/second version of WOLF on 137.422 kHz with 50 watts if anyone wants to give it a try. Decodes OK here, but that's no miracle. The usual line timings are multiplied by four, so wait 96 seconds for the first line decode! A quick check with Argo shows most of the energy in a 4 Hz BW, with pretty much the entire visible signal in a 20 Hz BW. I suggest the following shorthand for these various speeds: WOLF10 for the "classic" speed. WOLF 2.5 and WOLF5 for the slow speeds. WOLF20 and WOLF40 for the fast speeds. Reports are welcome! John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:48:15 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbPhv-00082W-J4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:48:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbPhv-00082P-ED for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:48:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbPhP-0001ri-Sh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:47:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbPhP-0001rZ-1m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:47:43 +0000 Received: from bay102-f23.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.33] helo=hotmail.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbQXN-0002tx-EN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:41:26 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:47:39 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:47:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.117.134] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:47:39 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2005 21:47:39.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE6764A0:01C5E89B] Subject: LF: Wolfs cleared its throat... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Wd2XDW back on 137.451 WOLF from 2130z 13th Nov 1Kw Laurence KL1X in 5 em26aq From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:26:07 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbMYH-0000uN-PO for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:26:07 +0000 Received: from mail5.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.79]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbMYH-0000tb-AQ for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:26:05 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail5.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jADIOUUn027035; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:25:29 -0500 Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA29960 for lowfer-14416503; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:26:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.117]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29955 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:26:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.0.252.126] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with ESMTP id <2005111318234711300sjnbke>; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:23:53 +0000 Message-ID: <437784B4.3070008@att.net> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:23:48 -0500 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LowFer LWCA , RSGB LF Subject: [LW] XKO seen in New Zealand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Mike, ZL4OL, copied enough of XKO for positive identification at 0930 UTC last night. The full WD2XKO was being sent. More info on the XKO reception reports page: http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xko_reception_reports.htm Dex, W4DEX / WD2XKO http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xko.htm ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:03:02 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Eb3Se-0006a6-Cj for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:03:02 +0000 Received: from mail3.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.77]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Eb3Sd-0006Z6-Ml for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:03:00 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jACM1WBc018540; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:02:29 -0500 Received: by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA07030 for lowfer-14416503; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA07026 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 17:03:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from rmailcenter02.comcast.net ([204.127.197.112]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005111222004201300imknae>; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:00:54 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter02.comcast.net; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:00:40 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "John Andrews" , lowfer@lwca.org Subject: Re: [LW] WD2XES 30 Watt WOLF Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:00:40 +0000 Message-Id: <111220052200.19815.437666080000802500004D6722007507440B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit John, What are you using for a loop transformer? -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > WD2XES will be running WOLF at 30 watts tonight on 137.422 kHz. Reports are > welcome. > > John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch > WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com > > > > > ________________________________________ > Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! > Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm > ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:25:21 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Eb2sC-0003iJ-RF for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:25:21 +0000 Received: from mail11.atl.registeredsite.com ([216.247.37.25]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Eb2sC-0003hm-Jc for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:25:20 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail11.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jACLLEBN020715; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:23:33 -0500 Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA04974 for lowfer-14416503; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:22:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net [64.202.165.194]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA04970 for ; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:22:45 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 28896 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2005 21:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.194) with ESMTP; 12 Nov 2005 21:20:26 -0000 Message-ID: <001e01c5e7ce$eadc1be0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@lwca.org References: <437642C3.4030403@freenet.de> Subject: [LW] WD2XES 30 Watt WOLF Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:20:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) WD2XES will be running WOLF at 30 watts tonight on 137.422 kHz. Reports are welcome. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:34:17 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZxaC-00016B-3f for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:34:16 +0000 Received: from mail3.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.77]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZxaB-00015L-O6 for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:34:15 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jA9LRw5v009817; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:32:24 -0500 Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA23176 for lowfer-14416503; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:29:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-f20.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.30]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA23172 for ; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 16:29:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:27:20 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:27:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <021001c5e31d$0db13080$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Cc: mcalevey@xtra.co.nz Subject: [LW] XDW WOlf tonite -137.451Khz Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:27:20 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 21:27:20.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DCF7050:01C5E574] Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit ive been running 1W thru the day on 137.7752 but will switch to - 137.451Khz from 2300z WOLF 1.1Kw tx output producing some 46.5A loop current. Is it me or is the grass is growing faster under the loop... Have a nice day Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq status http://myweb.cableone.net/flow ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:57:12 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZllW-000762-Nr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:57:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZllW-00074m-JV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:57:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EZljq-000689-UO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:55:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EZljp-000680-TX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:55:25 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240] helo=priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EZmY6-0000PG-BZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 09:47:24 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051109085515.UDKI11380.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 01:55:15 -0700 Message-ID: <005701c5e50b$7d27f9e0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:56:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TIL back ON 0805UTC Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Was off for a couple of hours to listen for the howling XDW.
 
QRSSine 120...
 
73 Scott
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:35:32 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZN4s-0003rA-Dq for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:35:31 +0000 Received: from mail15.atl.registeredsite.com ([216.247.37.29]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZN4r-0003qm-Q0 for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:35:30 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail15.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jA86UZ6K014464; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 01:33:22 -0500 Received: by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA21015 for lowfer-14416503; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 01:32:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (outbound05.telus.net [199.185.220.224]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA20904 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 01:32:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051108062946.QUIA7599.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:29:46 -0700 Message-ID: <00e101c5e42d$fcd97c60$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: [LW] TIL off to listen for the lone WOLF... Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:31:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I'll be off until ZL sunset 0830UTC
 
Listening in WOLF...
 
Scott
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:09:17 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZG73-0005AV-3H for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:09:17 +0000 Received: from mail11.atl.registeredsite.com ([216.247.37.25]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZG72-0005AG-JW for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:09:16 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail11.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jA7N5LLS009636; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:08:31 -0500 Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11550 for lowfer-14416503; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:06:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-f26.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.36]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11546 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 18:06:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:04:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:04:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.117.151.75] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Cc: vernall@xtra.co.nz, mcalevey@xtra.co.nz Subject: [LW] WD2XDW WOlf 137.451 Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:04:40 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2005 23:04:40.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2217E00:01C5E3EF] Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit XDW is warming the worms on 137.451 KHz WOLF from 2200Z 7th November Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq NE Oklahoma; not far from the "little house", or Toto. ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:26:00 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYsxc-0002ol-8p for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:26:00 +0000 Received: from mail13.atl.registeredsite.com ([216.247.37.27]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYsxb-0002oF-VY for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:26:00 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail13.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jA6MKs27016827; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:23:08 -0500 Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA17876 for lowfer-14416503; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:22:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (outbound01.telus.net [199.185.220.220]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA17872 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:22:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051106215600.NHYR1819.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:56:00 -0700 Message-ID: <021001c5e31d$0db13080$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: [LW] TIL repaired... Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:57:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Finally a break in the weather and some sunshine! 
 
Repaired the antenna and will be resuming beaconing at 0100UTC, Nov 7.  
 
Mode QRSSine 120, 10 minute period, ~0.1Hz amplitude roughly centered between 137778.0 and 137778.1Hz.
 
73 Scott
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:22:30 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYWQf-0001N8-CL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:22:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYWQf-0001MJ-6T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:22:29 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYWQM-0000s0-1n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:22:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYWQL-0000rr-Mg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:22:09 +0000 Received: from bay102-f15.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.25] helo=hotmail.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYXDL-0002A6-9E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:12:48 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 14:21:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:21:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.117.151.75] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: mcalevey@xtra.co.nz, vernall@xtra.co.nz, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:21:45 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2005 22:21:46.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[4ED9DCE0:01C5E257] Subject: LF: XDW Wolf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Ive shifted freq again now 137.451 Khz on at 2215z Sat Laurence KL1X em26aq From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:39:00 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXnjX-0001HH-I5 for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:38:59 +0000 Received: from mail8.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.82]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXnjX-0001Fy-6w for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:38:59 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail8.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jA3MaL0O023274; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:38:18 -0500 Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA21017 for lowfer-14416503; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:37:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-f39.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.49]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA21013 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:35:47 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:35:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: mcalevey@xtra.co.nz, vernall@xtra.co.nz, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Subject: [LW] WOLF change in holwing frequency at XDW Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:35:47 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2005 22:35:47.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF9CE330:01C5E0C6] Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit wd2xdw Freq move from around 2300Z 3rd November Im moving to 137.484 Khz this evening and will be off for a short whilst while TAG tests his "Jason song" Laurence KL1X em26aq bartlesville OK ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:20:29 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EX3YT-0006PM-2u for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:20:29 +0000 Received: from mail7.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.81]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EX3YS-0006OY-Mz for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:20:28 +0000 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail7.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jA1LGvJB031708; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:19:02 -0500 Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA20792 for lowfer-14416503; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:18:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-f33.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.43]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA20788 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 16:18:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:16:15 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:16:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: [LW] WOlf 137.422 Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:16:15 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2005 21:16:15.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E790240:01C5DF29] Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit WD2XDW will be running WOLF overnight on 137.422 KHz, probably starting at 2300Z Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:03:40 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EhVMj-0005YX-UA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:03:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EhVMi-0005VY-Jo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:03:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EhVLq-00045j-FH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:02:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EhVLp-00045a-VD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:02:38 +0000 Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.82]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EhVYw-00023a-Fb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 17:16:12 +0000 Received: from fwd30.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EhVLj-0000Fv-02; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:02:31 +0100 Received: from HW1 (ZqHfDgZfoeW2EoA0VQf4FiMd7KCjx6Rhu9Dr-c8yuoCjCH0XCwJfg0@[84.133.82.99]) by fwd30.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EhVLW-1G0fEO0; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:02:18 +0100 Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 18:02:16 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <4110268118.20051130180216@t-online.de> To: "OSBORN, Chris" In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: ZqHfDgZfoeW2EoA0VQf4FiMd7KCjx6Rhu9Dr-c8yuoCjCH0XCwJfg0 X-TOI-MSGID: 043a8017-5e2e-461c-84d9-d4c028c00a8e Subject: Re: LF: DFCW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Chris, Dave and Brian, > I managed to get my DFCW rig mods done over the weekend and worked > Dave G3WCB as my first contact in that mode. Nice DFCW signal here in Germany! > I worked OH1TN last night - DFCW both ways. > He was a colossal signal and quite audible. > He gave me an 'O' so I must be doing something right ! > Later I worked G3YKB, Brian, again on DFCW > This is the first time I'd seen Brian in that mode. > Later still Brian was worked by Dave G3WCB, both on DFCW I added screenshots of the QSOs to my website: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm > It's strange that three 'G3' stations on 137.7 last night were all > from a quite local area to each other. > No other stations were seen/heard by me during the evening; I > turned in about 2200 Z. The only other station I saw was DL4EAU calling a bit earlier. 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:45:42 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EhSHF-00026G-6P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:45:41 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EhSHE-00025S-Vf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:45:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EhSFU-0003ib-3x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:43:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EhSFT-0003iS-KU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:43:51 +0000 Received: from viruswall.astrium.eads.net ([194.203.13.70]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EhSSV-0008OB-2j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:57:22 +0000 Received: from mms12031.pth.uk.astrium.corp ([194.35.68.222]) by viruswall.astrium.eads.net with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:43:41 -0000 Received: by mms12031.pth.uk.astrium.corp with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:43:40 -0000 Message-ID: From: "OSBORN, Chris" To: "LF Group (rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org)" Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2005 13:44:45 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Subject: LF: DFCW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit I managed to get my DFCW rig mods done over the weekend and worked Dave G3WCB as my first contact in that mode. I worked OH1TN last night - DFCW both ways. He was a colossal signal and quite audible. He gave me an 'O' so I must be doing something right ! Later I worked G3YKB, Brian, again on DFCW This is the first time I'd seen Brian in that mode. Later still Brian was worked by Dave G3WCB, both on DFCW It's strange that three 'G3' stations on 137.7 last night were all from a quite local area to each other. No other stations were seen/heard by me during the evening; I turned in about 2200 Z. Conditions seem good but there's not much activity for some reason. Hopefully it may pick up for the weekend. 73 Chris G3XIZ This email is for the intended addressee only. If you have received it in error then you must not use, retain, disseminate or otherwise deal with it. Please notify the sender by return email. The views of the author may not necessarily constitute the views of EADS Astrium Limited. Nothing in this email shall bind EADS Astrium Limited in any contract or obligation. EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:30:09 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Eh8Mn-0007tx-57 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:30:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Eh8Mm-0007tD-SJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:30:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Eh8Lh-000261-Oz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:28:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Eh8Lh-00025s-9I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:28:57 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Eh8YK-0007ru-3U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 16:42:01 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-140.fen-net.de [212.204.117.20]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id jATGOJrn001500 for ; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:24:20 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001601c5f504$5c6dc820$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 17:45:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id jATGOJrn001500 Subject: LF: Re: Fw: 600MRG> DI2AG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Steve, thanks for the information to the lwca.org. Plaese let me add that the authority has already extended the license to Dec. 31 2006, so there will be time enough to prepare the receiving station and for testing. 73 Walter DJ2LF -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Steve McDonald An: lowfer@lwca.org Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Dienstag, 29. November 2005 04:57 Betreff: LF: Fw: 600MRG> DI2AG > > > >> November 28, 2005 >> >> Gentlemen: >> >> Walter Staubach DJ2LF has an experimental license >> to transmit on 440.044 kHz. He has reception reports from >> all over Europe, but so far none from North America. His >> license expires on Dec. 31 so he invites you to listen for >> him before then. >> >> DI2AG transmitts 24/7. Usually the ERP is 0.4 W and >> he has recently been transmitting PSK-31. >> >> During December, he will be transmitting QRSS30 with 4W ERP >> from 2300 to 1000 GMT on friday/saturday, saturday/sunday, >> and sunday/monday evenings to facilitate Trans-Atlantic reception. >> >> You can contact him at >> >> 73 de Fritz W1FR >> >> > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:57:24 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgwcL-0005or-Ff for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:57:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgwcL-0005oh-8i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:57:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Egwb8-0000P8-2I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:56:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Egwb2-0000Oz-SA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 03:56:00 +0000 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EgxWh-0000Je-Et for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2005 04:55:38 +0000 Received: from jsm (unknown [209.121.18.97]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 56020B7AB4; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:55:41 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <003c01c5f498$359523e0$9a4bfea9@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: lowfer@lwca.org Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 19:51:40 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Fw: 600MRG> DI2AG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) > November 28, 2005 > > Gentlemen: > > Walter Staubach DJ2LF has an experimental license > to transmit on 440.044 kHz. He has reception reports from > all over Europe, but so far none from North America. His > license expires on Dec. 31 so he invites you to listen for > him before then. > > DI2AG transmitts 24/7. Usually the ERP is 0.4 W and > he has recently been transmitting PSK-31. > > During December, he will be transmitting QRSS30 with 4W ERP > from 2300 to 1000 GMT on friday/saturday, saturday/sunday, > and sunday/monday evenings to facilitate Trans-Atlantic reception. > > You can contact him at > > 73 de Fritz W1FR > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:52:32 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgmEv-0004WD-LD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:52:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgmEv-0004UB-7s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:52:29 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EgmDP-0007KP-D7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:50:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EgmDO-0007KG-IA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:50:54 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EgmPU-00056B-FW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:03:28 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.136] (helo=mx3.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.60-RC1) (envelope-from ) id 1EgmDH-0002Po-GC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:50:47 +0100 Received: from p54869691.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.150.145] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx3.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.60 #2) id 1EgmDG-0002Qz-PU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 28 Nov 2005 17:50:47 +0100 Message-ID: <438B3554.9080006@freenet.de> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 16:50:28 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: LF: DK4U... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Dave and group, Thanks for the report. Indeed, the LF conditions were good (which cannot be said about the WX in northwestern DL). Fortunately the LF antenna survived the snowstorms, and the mains power remained "on" here. Saw G3XDV calling CQ in QRSS3 with a strong (audible) signal, worked DL2HRE in CW, OK1DTN (audible) and HA6PC ("M" to "O") in QRSS/DFCW. Now hoping for some more activity, and please don't hesitate to call us even if it's the umpteenth QSO with DK4U or DF0WD - a lot of blank pages are left in the LF logbook ;-) Dave G3WCB schrieb: >Dear Wolf, LF, > >Very strong signal from DK4U this afternoon. (See screenshot) EU condx nust >be good. > >73 Dave G3WCB IO91RM > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:30:37 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgU6T-0001CS-Ay for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:30:36 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgU6T-00015f-7D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:30:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EgU5I-0004vN-Un for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:29:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EgU5I-0004vE-EO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:29:20 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EgV0S-0000py-VG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 22:28:28 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter90.comcast.net ([204.127.197.190]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <200511272128540140039vise>; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:28:59 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter90.comcast.net; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:28:52 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: LWCA LF Reflector Cc: rsgb lf reflector Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 21:28:52 +0000 Message-Id: <112720052128.17372.438A25140002134B000043DC22068246930B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: LF: WD2XGJ Off TFN X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit WD2XGJ will be off til further notice. Something snapped in the antenna tuner, hope to take it down tomorrow and have a look. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:39:36 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgQUx-0001t4-LZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:39:36 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgQUx-0001sg-AZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:39:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EgQUc-0004Qx-MO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:39:14 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EgQUc-0004Qo-1T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:39:14 +0000 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EgQgH-0005Nz-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:51:18 +0000 Received: (qmail 96152 invoked from network); 27 Nov 2005 17:39:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.141.121.12 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 Nov 2005 17:39:04 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:39:45 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: LF: DK4U... Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010508090300010907080503" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010508090300010907080503 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Wolf, LF, Very strong signal from DK4U this afternoon. 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PNfzPefzPvfzPwf0QBf0QSf0Qjf0Q0f0RFdI9EVn9EZ39EeH9EiX9Emn9Eq39EvH9EzX9E3n 9E739E8H9VAX9VEn9VI39VNH9VRX9VVn9VZ39VeH9ViX9Vmn9Vq39VvH9VzXPvVd5/Ve9/Vf B/ZgF/ZhJ/ZiN/ZjR/ZkV/ZlZ/Zmd/Znh/Zol/Zpp/Zqt/Zrx/Zs1/Zt5/Zu9/ZvB/dwF/dx Lif3cjf3c0f3dFf3dWf3dnf3d4f3eJf3eaf3erf3e8f3fNf3fef3fvf3f++NgAAAOw== --------------010508090300010907080503-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:02:25 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgPuy-0002Ag-Uf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:02:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgPuy-0002AO-Ot for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:02:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EgPuS-0004JE-QO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:01:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EgPuR-0004J5-Pp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 17:01:51 +0000 Received: from cupids.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.16]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EgQpa-00073s-Dp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 18:00:55 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by cupids.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jARH1gPj000406 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:31:42 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id jARH1gEg017906 for ; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:31:42 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id jARH1fTq017938; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:31:41 -0330 (NST) Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:31:41 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <469589844.20051127145113@t-online.de> Message-ID: References: <469589844.20051127145113@t-online.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: TA Nov, 26/27th Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Hartmut and group, Thanks for the reports. The early and daytime receptions are quite interesting. Plans to increase the ERP are progressing but very slowly... thanks in part to a nasty flu bug that has brought my chainsaw spree to an end for now. 73 Joe VO1NA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:55:38 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgNwI-00082b-3D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:55:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgNwH-00082R-QP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:55:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EgNvi-0003zj-84 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:55:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EgNvh-0003za-Gf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:55:01 +0000 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EgO7H-0004UI-SO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:07:02 +0000 Received: from fwd34.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EgNue-0006LN-03; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:53:56 +0100 Received: from HW1 (bM9yH2ZfYemgQcPQ6oO1mM2tMYXlLixafmpR4qaqxuXFFf+CODtr4C@[84.133.84.40]) by fwd34.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EgNuT-09gHlQ0; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:53:45 +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 15:53:40 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1342374636.20051127155340@t-online.de> To: hamilton mal In-Reply-To: <000c01c5f360$2bb32d60$18e4fc3e@l8p8y6> References: <000c01c5f360$2bb32d60$18e4fc3e@l8p8y6> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: bM9yH2ZfYemgQcPQ6oO1mM2tMYXlLixafmpR4qaqxuXFFf+CODtr4C X-TOI-MSGID: be323b03-29bf-4438-9d0c-978adad66061 Subject: Re: LF: good CONDX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Mal, > There is good propagation on 80 metres at present to the USA during > daytime. Stns hrd W2FU, W1MK and FP/K8DD but to mention a few. These > were heard around 1100 utc today Sunday working in the CW WW > contest. Its a pity some of these operators didint work LF because I > could be in with a chance for a CW QSO. What kind of license do you have? Are you allowed to work US Experimental Stations, as there is no LF Amateur band in the US? 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:40:29 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgNhc-0001yN-De for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:40:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgNhc-0001wG-71 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:40:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EgNhF-0003tj-Io for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:40:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EgNhF-0003ta-1W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:40:05 +0000 Received: from smtpout0186.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.186] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EgNsp-0004P9-Vs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:52:06 +0000 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.228.24) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.2.069.1) id 4381FC6F000C1173 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:38:03 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c5f360$2bb32d60$18e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:36:52 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: good CONDX Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Indications at present suggest that LF is probably good.
There is good propagation on 80 metres at present to the USA during daytime. Stns hrd W2FU, W1MK and FP/K8DD but to mention a few. These were heard around 1100 utc today Sunday working in the CW WW contest.
Its a pity some of these operators didint work LF because I could be in with a chance for a CW QSO.
It seems the big time 160 and 80 metre operators in the USA, with the large antennas and cw expertise are not interested in LF.
Over the past  couple of years I have worked a good number of operators on the HF bands and especially 160 metres that have deserted LF never to go back so they say !!!!!!! because of the lack of CW activity.
137 khz has now become a Beacon mode band like the Aeronautical LF band. The chance of a transatlantic QSO these days is NIL
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:53:21 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgMy0-0002nm-8G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:53:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EgMy0-0002nR-2o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:53:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EgMxB-0003ku-J6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:52:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EgMxA-0003kl-UV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 13:52:28 +0000 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EgNsF-0005Xw-PF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:51:29 +0000 Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EgMw7-00039O-04; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:51:23 +0100 Received: from HW1 (bKT2QoZlgevHjeC1zw1YHPoWSg16krIPgKvlTPRhCsvmPmbh1l3Mcz@[84.133.84.40]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EgMw1-28LCLY0; Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:51:17 +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 14:51:13 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <469589844.20051127145113@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, Lowfer MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: bKT2QoZlgevHjeC1zw1YHPoWSg16krIPgKvlTPRhCsvmPmbh1l3Mcz X-TOI-MSGID: da067867-9e6d-4186-ada6-87791374b0ae Subject: LF: TA Nov, 26/27th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Copied VO1NA 17:00-08:30 UTC on 137.777kHz. Strong 23:00-07:30. One full "WD2XGJ" string copied 05:20-06:05. At other times there was a lot of fading during the night. WD2XKO best 04:15-07:45 UTC. At other times there was a lot of fading, too. When I first saw the waterfull diagramm of WD2XES's new WOLF frequency, I didn't expect a copy. Because there are some nearby Loran lines. But decoded the WOLF signal the whole night. Best 02:00-03:00 UTC. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:27:40 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Eg7a5-0003MJ-AK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:27:40 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Eg7a5-0003K4-46 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:27:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Eg7YQ-0000pV-Fg for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:25:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Eg7YO-0000pM-TB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:25:52 +0000 Received: from smtpout05-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.221]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Eg7jd-0006KE-UI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:37:32 +0000 Received: (qmail 24202 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 21:24:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout05-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.221) with ESMTP; 26 Nov 2005 21:24:43 -0000 Message-ID: <006301c5f2cf$dd4a18e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: lowfer@lwca.org Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 21:25:01 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: LF: XES QSY 137.271 kHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) WD2XES will be on 137.271 kHz tonight starting at 2330 with WOLF 10. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:16:57 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfogS-0006Pt-TL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:16:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfogS-0006Pj-OS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:16:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EfogF-0006qm-U9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:16:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EfogF-0006qd-Ce for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:16:43 +0000 Received: from omc2-s9.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.249.19]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Efor5-0006GM-V0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:27:57 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.120]) by omc2-s9.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:16:14 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 17:16:14 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.224.65.75 by BAY5-DAV16.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:16:13 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.224.65.75] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <005d01c5f1dd$f44ed280$0500a8c0@charter.net> <014201c5f222$004ec7e0$0c0bfea9@server> <00a201c5f224$0d6cb660$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:16:14 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:16:14 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Nov 2005 01:16:14.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[FE7A3CB0:01C5F226] Subject: LF: Re: XES WOLF tonight Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Either that or it'll look like a 4th of July fountain at the end of your feedline!!! Ha ha ha...
 
Mike
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 6:55 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: XES WOLF tonight

J.B.,

> First line copy of your WOLF 10 transmission tonite!

If I turn this knob a little farther, will you see the message before I send
it?

JA



From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:55:20 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfoLX-0000LP-CF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:55:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfoLX-0000LH-8D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:55:19 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EfoLH-0006he-9C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:55:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EfoLG-0006hV-QB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:55:02 +0000 Received: from smtpout05-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.221]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EfoW7-00067A-87 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 01:06:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 30356 invoked from network); 26 Nov 2005 00:54:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout05-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.221) with ESMTP; 26 Nov 2005 00:54:51 -0000 Message-ID: <00a201c5f224$0d6cb660$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <005d01c5f1dd$f44ed280$0500a8c0@charter.net> <014201c5f222$004ec7e0$0c0bfea9@server> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:55:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: LF: Re: Re: XES WOLF tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) J.B., > First line copy of your WOLF 10 transmission tonite! If I turn this knob a little farther, will you see the message before I send it? JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:43:11 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Efo9l-0007ln-K3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:43:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Efo9k-0007lE-5a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:43:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Efo8q-0006bv-Ho for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:42:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Efo8q-0006bm-4G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:42:12 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EfoJe-00060a-Tp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:53:25 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jAQ0cdfV006439 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:38:40 -0500 Received: from server (dial-11.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.11]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id jAQ0dhDL017340 for ; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 19:39:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <014201c5f222$004ec7e0$0c0bfea9@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <005d01c5f1dd$f44ed280$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 00:39:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Re: XES WOLF tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) From: "John Andrews" To: Cc: Sent: Friday, November 25, 2005 4:33 PM Subject: LF: XES WOLF tonight > XES will be running WOLF 10 on 137.422 kHz at 300 watts tonight, > starting around 2330 UTC. Laurence will be watching... > > John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch > WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com > Hello John, Lowfers, First line copy of your WOLF 10 transmission tonite! 2005-11-26 00:28:58 >WOLF10 -r 8000 -f 422 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 t: 24 f: 0.419 a: 1.0 dp:131.7 ci: 6 cj: 69 XES LOBO GRANDE - t: 48 f: 0.419 a: 1.0 dp:131.2 ci: 6 cj: 69 XES LOBO GRANDE - t: 96 f: 0.418 a: 1.1 dp:130.8 ci: 6 cj: 69 XES LOBO GRANDE - t: 192 f: 0.420 pm:48424 jm:822 q: 10.9 10.9 XES LOBO GRANDE - t: 288 f: 0.420 pm:92627 jm:821 q: 14.6 14.8 XES LOBO GRANDE - t: 384 f: 0.420 pm:130062 jm:821 q: 16.2 16.4 XES LOBO GRANDE - 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:35:14 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfgXZ-0001KZ-L6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:35:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfgXZ-0001KB-Cf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:35:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EfgWk-0005Bu-5S for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:34:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EfgWi-0005Bl-Rr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:34:20 +0000 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EfghM-0002S8-Cx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:45:23 +0000 Received: (qmail 9039 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 16:33:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 25 Nov 2005 16:33:05 -0000 Message-ID: <005d01c5f1dd$f44ed280$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@lwca.org Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 16:33:22 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: LF: XES WOLF tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) XES will be running WOLF 10 on 137.422 kHz at 300 watts tonight, starting around 2330 UTC. Laurence will be watching... John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:54:15 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfbDZ-0003df-EB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:54:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfbDZ-0003d8-7e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:54:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EfbCo-0004XJ-P6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:53:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EfbCo-0004XA-0T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:53:26 +0000 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EfbNM-00005r-NM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 11:04:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 94333 invoked from network); 25 Nov 2005 10:53:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.49.160 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Nov 2005 10:53:16 -0000 Message-ID: <004001c5f1ae$6d77d2e0$a0318351@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1EfUGy-0EX7Gi0@fwd28.sul.t-online.de> Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 10:46:07 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Impressive Top Load Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi again Ha-Jo, thanks for that interesting detail. I had not realised that it really was originally an MW BC station, as I was very familiar with the maritime station of that name, and it is unusual for the two services to be "mixed". Most of the Coastal radio station sites date back to the early part of the last centuary....being what would these days be call the main application for radio at that time. Best Wishes de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: 25 November 2005 03:28 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Impressive Top Load Dear Alan and others, concerning the problem why Norddeich Radio and the site with the "impressive top load" has been mentioned in connection with broadcast it should be mentioned that this site started for another service than coastal radio. In the years before the 2nd world war this site, called Osterloog, a few kilometers east of the old Norddeich transmitting site, had been built to house a 100 kW broadcast propaganda transmitter aiming at the UK and other western countries. After the war Osterloog has first been used for the British Forces Network shortly but then transmitted the german BBC programme for Germany for many years. As a young boy living close to Denmark this transmitter has been the best broadcast station I could receive with my detector radio receiver; the waves came over the North Sea with little attenuation. In 1956 I have visited Osterloog; at that time the 132 m high self supporting mast has been used on 658 kHz for the BBC broadcast (mast length slightly above lambda/4). At that time the Osterloog site had also been used for first HF broadcasts of the Deutsche Welle. I am not aware when "the impressive top load" mast had been in service. May be it had been erected before 2nd world war and survived until the early fifties (according to the date of the photos) because as far as I know before WW2 the construction of self supporting masts has not been common or even not yet developed. In 1967 Norddeich Radio took over Osterloog to build a replacement for its older transmitting site of Norddeich which dated back to 1906. The last transmitter at Norddeich has been shut down in 1970. This site now serves as a facility for campers, with all masts removed. The name Norddeich Radio, however, had been maintained until its closing down in 1996/97. OK? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:34:39 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfY6Q-0005BJ-H9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:34:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfY6Q-0005Ac-6I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:34:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EfY5k-0003xR-GU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:33:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EfY5j-0003xI-N6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:33:55 +0000 Received: from omc1-s19.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.248.221]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EfYzy-00040M-Jk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 08:32:04 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.118]) by omc1-s19.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:33:47 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 23:33:47 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.224.65.75 by BAY5-DAV14.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 07:33:47 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.224.65.75] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: "Lowfer_Post" Cc: "rsgb_lf_group" Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 01:33:46 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 01:33:46 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 Nov 2005 07:33:47.0495 (UTC) FILETIME=[927A8770:01C5F192] Subject: LF: Transmit/Receive relay circuit needed... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Does anyone have a schematic of a transmit/receive (T/R) relay circuit with RF sense or a diode T/R switch circuit that they could post or email me? I need something that can have a delay for running CW with a transverter and final amp.
 
Thank you,
 
Mike
WE0H
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:03:39 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfUoE-0003AT-7z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:03:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfUoE-00039x-3b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:03:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EfUnx-0003ej-B6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:03:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EfUnw-0003ea-Rr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:03:20 +0000 Received: from outbound01.telus.net ([199.185.220.220] helo=priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EfVi8-0002Qe-LU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 05:01:25 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051125040310.FRMI18515.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 21:03:10 -0700 Message-ID: <007501c5f175$676272e0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 20:04:59 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TIL howling... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
137.422KHz... Running the NDB TX BTTW...
 
Scott
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:30:45 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfUIP-0002Kc-1I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:30:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfUIO-0002J1-T3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:30:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EfUHD-0003Qw-Bp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:29:31 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EfUHC-0003Qn-R0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 03:29:30 +0000 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EfVBN-00025B-2T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:27:35 +0000 Received: from fwd28.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EfUHA-00068Q-00; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:29:28 +0100 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (VmleIyZO8en53RWaio6D68kCBYuK-smGq9Ntj81pfmuLbHaX1QmooL@[217.250.35.114]) by fwd28.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1EfUGy-0EX7Gi0; Fri, 25 Nov 2005 04:29:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: hajo.brandt.dj1zb@t-online.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 4.111 Date: 25 Nov 2005 03:28 GMT Message-ID: <1EfUGy-0EX7Gi0@fwd28.sul.t-online.de> X-ID: VmleIyZO8en53RWaio6D68kCBYuK-smGq9Ntj81pfmuLbHaX1QmooL X-TOI-MSGID: b9fa29a4-1ebe-4415-a436-47a7cf8be769 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Impressive Top Load Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Alan and others, concerning the problem why Norddeich Radio and the site with the "impressive top load" has been mentioned in connection with broadcast it should be mentioned that this site started for another service than coastal radio. In the years before the 2nd world war this site, called Osterloog, a few kilometers east of the old Norddeich transmitting site, had been built to house a 100 kW broadcast propaganda transmitter aiming at the UK and other western countries. After the war Osterloog has first been used for the British Forces Network shortly but then transmitted the german BBC programme for Germany for many years. As a young boy living close to Denmark this transmitter has been the best broadcast station I could receive with my detector radio receiver; the waves came over the North Sea with little attenuation. In 1956 I have visited Osterloog; at that time the 132 m high self supporting mast has been used on 658 kHz for the BBC broadcast (mast length slightly above lambda/4). At that time the Osterloog site had also been used for first HF broadcasts of the Deutsche Welle. I am not aware when "the impressive top load" mast had been in service. May be it had been erected before 2nd world war and survived until the early fifties (according to the date of the photos) because as far as I know before WW2 the construction of self supporting masts has not been common or even not yet developed. In 1967 Norddeich Radio took over Osterloog to build a replacement for its older transmitting site of Norddeich which dated back to 1906. The last transmitter at Norddeich has been shut down in 1970. This site now serves as a facility for campers, with all masts removed. The name Norddeich Radio, however, had been maintained until its closing down in 1996/97. OK? 73 Ha-Jo, DJ1ZB "Alan Melia" schrieb: > Hi Gary, Norddeich Radio was well known to top band listeners, what we would > call a Coast Station whereas the web page intimates "Broadcast". Since its > lowest frequency was around 600m (500kHz) the mast, at 132m, would be very > close to a quarter-wave, and so would not need much loading. My guess is the > arms are supporting MF and HF vertical aerials as well. It was a big signal > on 2182 on the East Coast. > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gary - G4WGT" > To: "LF (Rsgb LF Group)" > Sent: 24 November 2005 11:50 > Subject: LF: Impressive Top Load > > > > Hi, > > > > I came accross this photo gallery showing a very impressive top load. > > > > http://www.pust-norden.de/gal_olog_gb.htm > > > > Regards, > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > > > Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:49:13 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfLDb-0001qv-T8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:49:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfLDb-0001pV-E8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:49:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EfLCs-0002ZO-Mc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:48:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EfLCs-0002ZF-Af for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 17:48:26 +0000 Received: from smtp13.wanadoo.fr ([193.252.22.54]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EfM6t-0005g2-8v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:46:21 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf1306.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9640370000F8 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:48:18 +0100 (CET) Received: from john-b5a82ea1a4 (Mix-Dijon-116-4-251.w193-250.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.250.135.251]) by mwinf1306.wanadoo.fr (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id C460C70000D1 for ; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:48:17 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051124174817804.C460C70000D1@mwinf1306.wanadoo.fr Message-ID: <200511241848070572.057528DC@smtp.wanadoo.fr> In-Reply-To: <001301c5f104$fdfb5f80$81857ad5@Main> References: <001301c5f104$fdfb5f80$81857ad5@Main> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 18:48:07 +0100 From: "John RABSON" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: Impressive Top Load Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Norddeich Radio was also an impressive signal on about 1830kHz CW when passing traffic for, I think, the North Atlantic Weather Service. I believe some East Coast Ws used it as a propagation indicator. On a very close frequency, also on CW, you could find Ostend Radio - or was it Antwerp?. The only way I could separate the two was to use the G6CJ Stereocode processor. John G3PAI *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 24/11/2005 at 14:32 Alan Melia wrote: >Hi Gary, Norddeich Radio was well known to top band listeners, what we >would >call a Coast Station whereas the web page intimates "Broadcast". Since its >lowest frequency was around 600m (500kHz) the mast, at 132m, would be very >close to a quarter-wave, and so would not need much loading. My guess is >the >arms are supporting MF and HF vertical aerials as well. It was a big signal >on 2182 on the East Coast. >Cheers de Alan G3NYK > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Gary - G4WGT" >To: "LF (Rsgb LF Group)" >Sent: 24 November 2005 11:50 >Subject: LF: Impressive Top Load > > >> Hi, >> >> I came accross this photo gallery showing a very impressive top load. >> >> http://www.pust-norden.de/gal_olog_gb.htm >> >> Regards, >> >> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp >> >> Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor >> >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:38:00 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfJAd-0002NZ-4M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:38:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfJAd-0002Mi-08 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:37:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EfJA8-0002JC-40 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:37:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EfJA7-0002J3-Lv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:37:27 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.38]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EfJKG-0000dy-Kb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:47:59 +0000 Received: from 80-43-17-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com (HELO mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com) ([80.43.17.136]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 24 Nov 2005 15:37:12 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AI8CAHVnhUOGDwsKCRw Received: from 80-43-17-136.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([80.43.17.136]:2737 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EfJ9r-000NbG-Bg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:37:11 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:37:44 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <001301c5f104$fdfb5f80$81857ad5@Main> Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: Re: Impressive Top Load Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Alan, Thank you for the info. Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alan Melia Sent: 24 November 2005 14:32 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Impressive Top Load Hi Gary, Norddeich Radio was well known to top band listeners, what we would call a Coast Station whereas the web page intimates "Broadcast". Since its lowest frequency was around 600m (500kHz) the mast, at 132m, would be very close to a quarter-wave, and so would not need much loading. My guess is the arms are supporting MF and HF vertical aerials as well. It was a big signal on 2182 on the East Coast. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF (Rsgb LF Group)" Sent: 24 November 2005 11:50 Subject: LF: Impressive Top Load > Hi, > > I came accross this photo gallery showing a very impressive top load. > > http://www.pust-norden.de/gal_olog_gb.htm > > Regards, > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:41:05 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfIHY-0006TX-Hm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:41:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfIHY-0006Sy-Cj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:41:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EfIGs-00028w-W9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:40:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EfIGs-00028n-Jf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:40:22 +0000 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EfJAq-0003my-CC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 15:38:14 +0000 Received: (qmail 54118 invoked from network); 24 Nov 2005 14:40:14 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.133.129 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Nov 2005 14:40:13 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c5f104$fdfb5f80$81857ad5@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 14:32:24 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: LF: Re: Impressive Top Load Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Gary, Norddeich Radio was well known to top band listeners, what we would call a Coast Station whereas the web page intimates "Broadcast". Since its lowest frequency was around 600m (500kHz) the mast, at 132m, would be very close to a quarter-wave, and so would not need much loading. My guess is the arms are supporting MF and HF vertical aerials as well. It was a big signal on 2182 on the East Coast. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF (Rsgb LF Group)" Sent: 24 November 2005 11:50 Subject: LF: Impressive Top Load > Hi, > > I came accross this photo gallery showing a very impressive top load. > > http://www.pust-norden.de/gal_olog_gb.htm > > Regards, > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:58:10 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfB3Z-00019j-Jd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:58:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EfB3Z-00019O-Du for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:58:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EfB2j-0001Q6-Vq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:57:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EfB2j-0001Px-Cn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 06:57:17 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.55] helo=priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EfBCi-0005Js-Om for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2005 07:07:37 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051124065709.EAQG1890.priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 23:57:09 -0700 Message-ID: <019f01c5f0c4$8a027400$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 22:58:56 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TIL returns to QRSSine 120 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
WOLF off...
 
QRSSine 120 on 137778.1ish...
 
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:28:19 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ef2A6-0006sv-Ou for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:28:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ef2A6-0006rA-JL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:28:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ef28E-0000dV-4V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:26:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ef28D-0000dM-Md for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:26:21 +0000 Received: from web86608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.30]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ef2I1-0001DV-6y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:36:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 31996 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Nov 2005 21:24:10 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=btinternet.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=n0Bfb0OuC4bVlFYsJW+sAktGwAOHluMflMBOQ1S4kD5bAM5CnxAjCo4AruyAB7COIUJMHmou1V+BLJhbVFmUACiLZZk1XjnyCMtVPDY2UMmMA3yFGn/3WXJyxcMvL+C+BqGi0zQFvY/rODo1pJuZm/592NMwQDMBXpWRBnx/BQY= ; Message-ID: <20051123212410.31994.qmail@web86608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.252.64.18] by web86608.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:24:10 GMT Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 21:24:10 +0000 (GMT) From: CHRISTOPHER OSBORN To: LF group MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: DL4EAU Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00)
Good and audible QRSS-3 signal from DL4EAU tonight at 1840
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Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:24:30 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Eeegm-0000oN-Ka for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:24:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Eeegm-0000nD-9s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:24:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Eeeex-0006s1-KO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:22:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Eeeew-0006rs-IQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 20:22:34 +0000 Received: from mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.144]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EefYF-0004eT-SA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 21:19:45 +0000 Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.141]) by mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051122202219.QYQM13239.mta201-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:22:19 +1300 Received: from quaycustomer ([210.86.70.131]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20051122202218.GRVX1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@quaycustomer> for ; Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:22:18 +1300 Message-ID: <006001c5efa4$e4eadf40$0600000a@quaycustomer> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c5ef77$d6fdc870$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2005 09:39:49 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Re: RE: BYX10 as LF PIN diode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi all, Thanks to Jim M0BMU, Alan G3NYK and Mike G8YMB for comments. I agree that incidental use of a diode for other than its intended purpose needs care with verification of the desired incidental use. My evaluation was on a small sample of the red cased BYX10 diodes. I reported my findings on BYX10 tests as an incidental PIN diode as the cost is well under a Euro and fairly available, but there is a risk that a particular batch may not be so co-operative with PIN controlled resistance or have a "cutoff" higher than the LF band of interest. I'm not sure of the cost or availability of a small signal PIN diode designed for LF, and I don't need a transmit rated device for small signal control. If there are other readers who have price and availability information on PIN diodes designed for small signal LF use I would appreciate a reply, even if it is private email. The ALC circuit produced by Mike uses a bipolar transistor shunt, which is high impedance going low when driven. There are other variants of the circuit using a JFET shunt, but that is initial low impedance going high with bias applied. In essence each is a current controlled resistor type of application. My opinion is that a PIN diode (when used in the appropriate frequency range) is the better device for smooth gain control and linearity. I'm not sure of the finer points of intermodulation with any ALC circuit, but in any case intermod in the PA final is likely to be the most demanding part of a linear transmitter to control quality of the emission. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:57:05 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EebS1-0003ij-HE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:57:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EebS1-0003ep-E2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:57:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EebRv-0006Vr-Iy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:56:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EebRv-0006Vi-7f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:56:55 +0000 Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EecL9-0002LP-UI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:54:03 +0000 Received: from fwd28.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EebRq-0002u0-03; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:56:50 +0100 Received: from HW1 (ZqUcrcZAwerAOKB7PfBMkqKCNgwkTFsQa5mxOYA5DfR-G+cE959g8O@[84.133.90.179]) by fwd28.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EebRd-1nBG0e0; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:56:37 +0100 Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:56:33 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! 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Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:55:35 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EebQc-0002CO-OR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:55:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EebQc-0002C5-Fk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:55:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EebPr-0006T8-E3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:54:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EebPq-0006Sz-Ql for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:54:46 +0000 Received: from liaar2aa.mx.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.151]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EecJ6-0002JB-L0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:51:54 +0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by liaar2aa.mx.compuserve.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/r1.1) id jAMGsc1S009114 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:54:38 -0500 Received: from tcbonline (fra-tgn-oyw-vty16.as.wcom.net [195.232.55.16]) by liaar2aa.mx.compuserve.com (8.13.4/8.13.4/r1.1) with SMTP id jAMGsAQ4009017 for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 11:54:11 -0500 Message-ID: <001201c5ef85$5bbb0840$1037e8c3@tcbonline> From: "TDR Ltd" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c5ee1e$02e663d0$0d00a8c0@oz7qcdell> <001101c5ef00$7b99e990$0300000a@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:53:18 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.87, clamav-milter version 0.87 on liaar2aa.mx.compuserve.com X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: LF: Re: BYX10 as LF PIN diode Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------090609040101010504040507" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090609040101010504040507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If a solution other than employing a PIN diode is suitable may I suggest the following circuit arrangement using an amplifier and transistor. This circuit was employed on a loudspeaking telephone and should work satisfactorily on 136KHz with a few component value changes. The LM386 amplifier (set to a gain of 200) is still available from RS but any suitable OpAmp with feedback resistors set to 200 should work. Mike Button. G8YMB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Vernall" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 1:02 AM Subject: LF: BYX10 as LF PIN diode > > Hi all, > > A brief report on some experiments to assess diodes as current controlled > resistors (as per PIN diodes) at LF. I'm wanting to develop an ALC circuit > for a new LF transmitter and PIN diodes are quite good for gain control > using an attenuator circuit. It seems that PIN diodes need thick junctions > to work properly at lower frequencies, and most of the PIN diodes are > intended for HF and VHF and are more like rectifiers at lower frequencies. > I searched for data but was unable to identify a PIN diode part number that > I knew was rated for LF and what price and availability. In searching for > information I found that a 1N4007 is reported as making a good RF switching > diode as the junction has a special PIN structure, even though the rectifier > data sheet makes no mention of RF performance. I understand that the > Elecraft transceiver uses 1N4007s for RF power switching. So I made up a > test circuit to check 1N4007 and other diodes for suitability in an LF > attenuator circuit, at 100 mV level (at a driver circuit level). I found > the 1N4007 and most other diodes were basically "rectifiers" in the LF band, > and introduced obvious waveform distortion when forward DC was introduced > through the diode. If the 1N4007 is useful as a PIN diode equivalent, it is > for frequencies above LF (which I did not test). I was however pleasantly > surprised to find that BYX10 diodes work well as current controlled > resistors, with fairly linear performance for higher LF frequencies, and > "rectifier distortion" not becoming obvious till frequencies were below > about 50 kHz. Several BYX10 diodes were tested and all were similarly good > for the desired application. In the band 130 - 190 kHz they gave about 30 > dB range in a voltage divider arrangement, for control current of 0 - 1 mA, > giving smooth variation of current and attenuation, so it looks to be very > practical for use in circuits running off a 12 volt rail, and involve only > modest currents. The BYX10 diodes I tried have a red plastic package, > whereas a Philips data book mentions only a BYX10G diode, in a sealed glass > envelope, so I don't know if all variants of the BYX10 are equivalent to LF > PIN diodes. Also there may be other high voltage rectifier diodes that are > similar to the BYX10 diodes I tested, but they would need testing to verify > what happens in an attenuator circuit. > > If any reader of this report has information on PIN diodes intended for LF, > or other types of diode that happen to work OK as PIN diodes, I would be > interested in findings. > > 73, Bob ZL2CA > > > --------------090609040101010504040507 Content-Type: application/x-zip-compressed; name="alc.zip" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="alc.zip" UEsDBBQAAAAIADlrdjPMvyM2MEwAAACiAAAHAAAAYWxjLmRvY+w4CTzUa9f/mSaNJCZF2Yss t1KyTGMsI0krWlF2ysiaCSNidMNFSN1ChtFykcpylaVsXSJlTBKy74ayDFOiLN8zmLmu3vv1 3Xfp+9736/x+/znzPHOe8z/7c868pKHabmQIt0MLQBNaBE1Nc0Nc8/Zg4NnHXvBDkP7c3tT0 9DRray94pr/DvxX0//IEOoDjRkDQ2IpCjmcBAMfDkRC0HLI+ZX0qmhpNhb4AboQgpASoPyXN PvAvSf4A09N8X/3Ohp9mPp1hEAfP//5neOU8Dufn9p//N3gZwLVzmE3fBTTPAnhwbv01XA7/ 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1Eeamb-00071W-RW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:14:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EeamC-0006Lj-Sl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:13:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EeamC-0006La-CX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:13:48 +0000 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EebfQ-0001oQ-7r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 17:10:55 +0000 Received: (qmail 29566 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2005 16:12:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.73.214 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 22 Nov 2005 16:12:38 -0000 Message-ID: <001001c5ef7f$913ff4e0$d6498351@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c5ef77$d6fdc870$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 16:00:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: LF: Re: RE: BYX10 as LF PIN diode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi all Jim has a fair point about this. The structure of an HV diode is designed to make the depletion layer move far into the bulk material reducing the voltage gradient mV/um to keep it below the ionising (pair production) level. Guard ring structures are diffused in at the surface to reduce the fields and constrain the breakdown into the bulk material. One way to define the structure and maybe similarity of diodes of the same generic type might be to measure the capacitance at a voltage of about 50volt. This would give an indication of how big an area the junction was and how far the depletion layer was being pulled into the "intrinsic material". As an attenuator the "on" impedance needs to be low compared with the circuit impedance but there is still the problem of non-linearity which could produce IM products. I am not sure about this but it may be advantageous to put the diode attenuator in a higher impedance circuit in order to reduce the delta (signal current) compared with the bias current, thus keeping the IMD low. So maybe a 1000 ohm circuit rather than 50ohm. For ALC a potentiometer is required so this is not really a problem. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "james moritz" To: Sent: 22 November 2005 15:17 Subject: LF: RE: BYX10 as LF PIN diode Dear Bob, LF Group, If you have not already seen it, there is a PIN diode handbook available as a pdf file from Microsemi corporation: http://www.microsemi.com/literature/pinhandbook.pdf This is quite informative. There is also a much shorter application note: http://www.microsemi.com/micnotes/701.pdf Microsemi make PIN diodes for high-power HF applications; the app notes suggests they might work well at lower frequency too. I believe high voltage rectifier diodes often work quite well as PIN diodes because they also use the PIN structure to increase the breakdown voltage. The thing you have to be wary of when using devices in an un-intended way like this is that diodes marked "BYX10" and made by different manufacturers, or the same manufacturer at different times, may use different processing to achieve the same performance as a rectifier. This means they will all meet their rectifier specifications, but since the RF PIN behaviour is not specified or tested, they may vary a lot in performance as RF attenuators. This is OK in amateur applications, where it is practical to individually select the diodes for suitability. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Vernall Sent: 22 November 2005 01:03 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: BYX10 as LF PIN diode Hi all, A brief report on some experiments to assess diodes as current controlled resistors (as per PIN diodes) at LF. I'm wanting to develop an ALC circuit for a new LF transmitter and PIN diodes are quite good for gain control using an attenuator circuit. It seems that PIN diodes need thick junctions to work properly at lower frequencies... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:18:46 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EeZuw-0002Xe-0J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:18:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EeZuv-0002X3-LS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:18:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EeZtv-0006Bp-3v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:17:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EeZtu-0006Bg-Ev for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:17:42 +0000 Received: from tucana.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.215.113]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Eea34-0005ud-1a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:27:13 +0000 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by tucana.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1EeZtb-0006Cg-08 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:17:27 +0000 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 15:17:20 -0000 Message-ID: <000001c5ef77$d6fdc870$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001101c5ef00$7b99e990$0300000a@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-UH-MailScanner-Information: UH-mail X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected Subject: LF: RE: BYX10 as LF PIN diode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Bob, LF Group, If you have not already seen it, there is a PIN diode handbook available as a pdf file from Microsemi corporation: http://www.microsemi.com/literature/pinhandbook.pdf This is quite informative. There is also a much shorter application note: http://www.microsemi.com/micnotes/701.pdf Microsemi make PIN diodes for high-power HF applications; the app notes suggests they might work well at lower frequency too. I believe high voltage rectifier diodes often work quite well as PIN diodes because they also use the PIN structure to increase the breakdown voltage. The thing you have to be wary of when using devices in an un-intended way like this is that diodes marked "BYX10" and made by different manufacturers, or the same manufacturer at different times, may use different processing to achieve the same performance as a rectifier. This means they will all meet their rectifier specifications, but since the RF PIN behaviour is not specified or tested, they may vary a lot in performance as RF attenuators. This is OK in amateur applications, where it is practical to individually select the diodes for suitability. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Vernall Sent: 22 November 2005 01:03 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: BYX10 as LF PIN diode Hi all, A brief report on some experiments to assess diodes as current controlled resistors (as per PIN diodes) at LF. I'm wanting to develop an ALC circuit for a new LF transmitter and PIN diodes are quite good for gain control using an attenuator circuit. It seems that PIN diodes need thick junctions to work properly at lower frequencies... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 01:04:08 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EeMZq-0002a6-Td for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 01:04:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EeMZq-0002ZW-OW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 01:04:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EeMYj-0005IO-7I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 01:02:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EeMYi-0005IF-KF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 01:02:56 +0000 Received: from mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.58]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EeMhb-0000Bi-33 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 01:12:09 +0000 Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.192]) by mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051122010245.IDSX4228.mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:02:45 +1300 Received: from bob2l2u6k2n1g3 ([210.86.70.131]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20051122010244.JZIN1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> for ; Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:02:44 +1300 Message-ID: <001101c5ef00$7b99e990$0300000a@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000701c5ee1e$02e663d0$0d00a8c0@oz7qcdell> Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 14:02:56 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: BYX10 as LF PIN diode Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi all, A brief report on some experiments to assess diodes as current controlled resistors (as per PIN diodes) at LF. I'm wanting to develop an ALC circuit for a new LF transmitter and PIN diodes are quite good for gain control using an attenuator circuit. It seems that PIN diodes need thick junctions to work properly at lower frequencies, and most of the PIN diodes are intended for HF and VHF and are more like rectifiers at lower frequencies. I searched for data but was unable to identify a PIN diode part number that I knew was rated for LF and what price and availability. In searching for information I found that a 1N4007 is reported as making a good RF switching diode as the junction has a special PIN structure, even though the rectifier data sheet makes no mention of RF performance. I understand that the Elecraft transceiver uses 1N4007s for RF power switching. So I made up a test circuit to check 1N4007 and other diodes for suitability in an LF attenuator circuit, at 100 mV level (at a driver circuit level). I found the 1N4007 and most other diodes were basically "rectifiers" in the LF band, and introduced obvious waveform distortion when forward DC was introduced through the diode. If the 1N4007 is useful as a PIN diode equivalent, it is for frequencies above LF (which I did not test). I was however pleasantly surprised to find that BYX10 diodes work well as current controlled resistors, with fairly linear performance for higher LF frequencies, and "rectifier distortion" not becoming obvious till frequencies were below about 50 kHz. Several BYX10 diodes were tested and all were similarly good for the desired application. In the band 130 - 190 kHz they gave about 30 dB range in a voltage divider arrangement, for control current of 0 - 1 mA, giving smooth variation of current and attenuation, so it looks to be very practical for use in circuits running off a 12 volt rail, and involve only modest currents. The BYX10 diodes I tried have a red plastic package, whereas a Philips data book mentions only a BYX10G diode, in a sealed glass envelope, so I don't know if all variants of the BYX10 are equivalent to LF PIN diodes. Also there may be other high voltage rectifier diodes that are similar to the BYX10 diodes I tested, but they would need testing to verify what happens in an attenuator circuit. If any reader of this report has information on PIN diodes intended for LF, or other types of diode that happen to work OK as PIN diodes, I would be interested in findings. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:38:53 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Edxpk-0001yb-Ts for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:38:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Edxpk-0001xp-Pe for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:38:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Edxp7-0003hm-DG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:38:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Edxp6-0003hd-Pt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:38:12 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240] helo=priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Edyhi-0003J4-GD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 23:34:39 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051120223654.MBYR9106.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:36:54 -0700 Message-ID: <042e01c5ee23$1fb5c780$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 14:38:27 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TIL conducting WOLF tests... 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TIL is presently conducting tests in WOLF 10 on 137.400KHz.  The exciter is not disiplined so I don't expect much; however, it appears stable on ARGO QRSS120...  The power output is about 75W...
 
Reports are very welcome....
 
73 Scott
 
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Hello Ko, Wolf and Uwe,
 
Thanks for your nice reports and the screenshots - at least during the night 10 mW on top band seem to do their job! I´m curious for the real test results.
 
73 es cuagn
 
Tom, DK1IS
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:15:53 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdwXQ-0003i9-3O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:15:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdwXP-0003hv-QI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:15:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdwWO-0003Ot-Dz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:14:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdwWN-0003Ok-RH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:14:47 +0000 Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdxOy-0002Uz-C1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 22:11:13 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 20 Nov 2005 21:12:08 +0000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+o= Received: from 80-43-45-156.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([80.43.45.156]:2529 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EdwRE-0001j4-BO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:09:28 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF \(Rsgb LF Group\)" Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 21:12:29 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: G4WGT Status Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi, Sending WGT at QRSS60, 400 watts, 135922.5 & CW ID 6wpm. Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:21:28 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Edtod-0004j3-DI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:21:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Edtod-0004ig-93 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:21:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Edto4-0003Ba-CR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:20:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Edto3-0003BR-Ma for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:20:51 +0000 Received: from mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.47]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Eduga-0000is-Bb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 19:17:14 +0000 Received: from aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051120181659.LAGT21883.mta07-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:16:59 +0000 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.106.48]) by aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20051120181659.MQI1233.aamta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:16:59 +0000 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:16:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4380BD64.2266.261BEF5@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body Subject: LF: Activity 19/20 Nov Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) I have been off the air for most of the summer whilst editing the Radio Communication Handbook, but am now active again. This weekend, I had QRSS3 QSOs with DL4EAU and DK4U (this was Wolf, DL4YHF using Hell), received QRSS from F6BWO, and received CW from G3AQC (599), G3XIZ (599), DL3FDO (449) and M0FMT (579). Also saw QRSS120 from VO1NA almost all night from 2300 to 0800UTC. Details and some pictures on my web site. Mike, G3XDV ========== http://lf.apersonalguide.co.uk From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:27:33 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdsyT-0008Md-D6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:27:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdsyT-0008MO-9y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:27:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdsyC-00034K-77 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:27:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdsyB-00034B-SL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:27:15 +0000 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Edtqi-0000CP-UB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:23:37 +0000 Received: from fwd30.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EdsyA-0004Em-02; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:27:14 +0100 Received: from localhost (EYyp7TZYoe0nEsTxuWzhwBMJmIN-yWn-gUfrffNVNxdbRY4OSlNV0Q@[172.20.101.250]) by fwd30.aul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1Edsy4-03BR7A0; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:27:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <1928160633.20051120175127@t-online.de> References: <20051120163551.jl00rgp64bq8c8co@webmail.versatel.de> <1928160633.20051120175127@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 18:27:08 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-UMS: email X-Mailer: TOI Kommunikationscenter V6-0-1 From: "uwe-jannsen@t-online.de" Message-ID: <1Edsy4-03BR7A0@fwd30.aul.t-online.de> X-ID: EYyp7TZYoe0nEsTxuWzhwBMJmIN-yWn-gUfrffNVNxdbRY4OSlNV0Q@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 8a54e165-cdfa-4f2f-b17c-16c6059b5c7d Subject: Re: LF: YO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Yes, Hartmut, Dimitri answered the email direct. vy73 Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:52:45 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdsQl-0002xz-1h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:52:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdsQk-0002vY-Pp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:52:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdsPo-0002xT-54 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:51:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdsPn-0002xK-7R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:51:43 +0000 Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.82]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdsY0-0004NI-6d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:00:14 +0000 Received: from fwd33.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EdsPd-0006qx-02; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:51:33 +0100 Received: from HW1 (SI7qVoZCZe-8pINxqyUQD55CxzswHCSThUoAt5PK3RZgelVJdfGLE9@[84.133.70.124]) by fwd33.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EdsPY-1ddUlE0; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:51:28 +0100 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 17:51:27 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1928160633.20051120175127@t-online.de> To: "uwe-jannsen@versanet.de" In-Reply-To: <20051120163551.jl00rgp64bq8c8co@webmail.versatel.de> References: <20051120163551.jl00rgp64bq8c8co@webmail.versatel.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: SI7qVoZCZe-8pINxqyUQD55CxzswHCSThUoAt5PK3RZgelVJdfGLE9 X-TOI-MSGID: 38bc1fcb-a90f-40ce-a25c-342d0eccd43d Subject: Re: LF: YO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Uwe, > pse see attached screenshot. who was it? RA3YO was beaconing on about 137.7786 kHz the past nights. Today the signal is visible here since about 15:30 UTC. 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:38:30 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdrGu-0007TG-A4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:38:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdrGt-0007T5-Vh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:38:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdrFQ-0002p3-0H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:36:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdrFP-0002ou-Bu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:36:55 +0000 Received: from mxout03.versatel.de ([212.7.152.120]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdrNc-0003pj-Dv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:45:25 +0000 Received: from mx01.versatel.de (mx01.versatel.de [212.7.146.1]) by mxout03.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAKFZq3B001727 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:35:52 +0100 Received: from localhost ([62.214.100.62]) by mx01.versatel.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id jAKFZpa6027136 for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:35:51 +0100 Received: from i577a56b2.versanet.de (i577a56b2.versanet.de [87.122.86.178]) by webmail.versatel.de (Horde MIME library) with HTTP for ; Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:35:51 +0100 Message-ID: <20051120163551.jl00rgp64bq8c8co@webmail.versatel.de> Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 16:35:51 +0100 From: uwe-jannsen@versanet.de To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.3) Subject: LF: YO Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040903010909080306050206" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040903010909080306050206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit pse see attached screenshot. who was it? regards Uwe/dj8wx --------------040903010909080306050206 Content-Type: image/pjpeg; name="yo.jpg" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: inline; filename="yo.jpg" /9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQEBLAEsAAD/2wBDAAgGBgcGBQgHBwcJCQgKDBQNDAsLDBkSEw8UHRof Hh0aHBwgJC4nICIsIxwcKDcpLDAxNDQ0Hyc5PTgyPC4zNDL/2wBDAQkJCQwLDBgNDRgyIRwh MjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjIyMjL/wAAR CAC+AQ0DASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHwAAAQUBAQEBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAECAwQFBgcICQoL/8QAtRAA AgEDAwIEAwUFBAQAAAF9AQIDAAQRBRIhMUEGE1FhByJxFDKBkaEII0KxwRVS0fAkM2JyggkK 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G3WCB is in beacon mode fagain from 00:30 utc until 08:00 utc tomorrow, or a bit later. 135.920, QRSS60 + 6wpm CW i/d.  QRSS i/d "CB".
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB
Sent: 18 November 2005 22:15
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: TA window - G3WCB Beacon Mode from 22:00z Tonight.

Dear LF,
 
G3WCB is in beacon mode from 22:00 utc until 00:00 utc tonight, or a bit later. 135.920, QRSS60 + 6wpm CW i/d.  QRSS i/d "CB".
 
200W RF output, 1.7 A RF up the spout.
 
Reports most welcome!
 
73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Jay Rusgrove
Sent: 18 November 2005 17:47
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: TA window

TA enthusiasts
 
Testing an EU TA window at:  http://www.w1vd.com/page12.html 
 
for those that would like to fry spiders and watch their signal at the same time. NPG at 925 is off the back of the antenna (25 dB down) so hoping it isn't a problem. Screen update every 10 minutes...if the FTP doesn't crater. 
 
Resolution and/or antenna changes, ftp problems or who knows what else will likely occur without notice ;~)
 
Jay, W1VD 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:56:17 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Edagx-0005At-TZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:56:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Edagx-0005Ak-O6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:56:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdagZ-00008o-7X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:55:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdagY-00008f-Py for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:55:50 +0000 Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdaoP-0005F2-1O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:03:59 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 19 Nov 2005 21:55:41 +0000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Received: from 80-43-63-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([80.43.63.213]:2469 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EdagP-000Dkk-0p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:55:41 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF \(Rsgb LF Group\)" Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:55:58 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: Beacon 135922.5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi All at LF, All ok with PA at 300 watts (qrss60), now PA is 400 watts. Sending - "WGT" followed by CW ID "G4WGT IO83QP" at 6wpm. Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:03:49 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdZsA-000615-7U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:03:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdZsA-0005xP-0p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:03:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdZrq-0008Or-H2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:03:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdZrq-0008Oi-0o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:03:26 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Edak2-00089F-1I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:59:28 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.192] (helo=mx8.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.53-RC2) id 1EdZrn-00064m-Er for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:03:23 +0100 Received: from p5486ad62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.173.98] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx8.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.54 #12) id 1EdZrm-0003xx-3h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 22:03:23 +0100 Message-ID: <437F9311.3070305@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:03:13 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004401c5ed2f$4c3fe9b0$ee1347c3@kc61d0682c4d14> <437F8058.9080803@wp.pl> In-Reply-To: <437F8058.9080803@wp.pl> Subject: Re: LF: Out off topics: Candlelight test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070402040205030002090305" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070402040205030002090305 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Marek,
Sometimes nice copy on your signal ... but severe QRM from SSB stations. The 640 Hz signal here must be yours (..5ZC..), Tom's a bit higher:


73, Wolf DL4YHF

Marek SQ5BPM schrieb:
Hello everybody,

Okay then, I didn't plan it, but for those interested, I will also beacon throughout this night from SP5ZCC, in a similar way DK1IS does, until the Candlelight starts tomorrow. Here 100mW, QRSS3 at 1919.19 kHz into an inverted vee. I will start when I come back to the club, i.e. around 2030z. All reports will be greatly appreciated!

73! Marek SQ5BPM

P.S. I may temporarily turn off the beacon from time to time this evening to check for DK1IS signal.


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That is a very nice calculator, thank you Peter.
 
Mike
----- Original Message -----
From: dj9dw
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 2:29 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Toroid inductor winding chart???

Hello Mike,
have a look at
 
 
Regards es gl de Peter, dj9dw
----- Original Message -----
From: MIKE REID
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 7:01 PM
Subject: LF: Toroid inductor winding chart???

Does anyone have a chart or a link to an online chart for winding toroids to a specific inductance? The specific cores are T50-43 but if there is a universal chart available, that would be nice to keep around the shop for future inductor winding.
 
The toroids will be wound with Litz wire so we don't want to waste any expensive Litz if possible.
 
Thank you,
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI on the air 185.3025kc
EN35hj
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Hello Mike,
have a look at
 
 
Regards es gl de Peter, dj9dw
----- Original Message -----
From: MIKE REID
Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 7:01 PM
Subject: LF: Toroid inductor winding chart???

Does anyone have a chart or a link to an online chart for winding toroids to a specific inductance? The specific cores are T50-43 but if there is a universal chart available, that would be nice to keep around the shop for future inductor winding.
 
The toroids will be wound with Litz wire so we don't want to waste any expensive Litz if possible.
 
Thank you,
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI on the air 185.3025kc
EN35hj
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:10:16 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdZ2L-0002uX-Nk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:10:16 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdZ2L-0002uO-E3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:10:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdZ1r-00085H-8C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:09:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdZ1q-000858-P4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:09:42 +0000 Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdZu3-0007eq-2I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 21:05:44 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 19 Nov 2005 20:09:34 +0000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Received: from 80-43-63-213.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([80.43.63.213]:2010 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EdYz8-000KTR-Tw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:06:54 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:09:42 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <926748831.20051119005247@t-online.de> Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: CB and WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Hartmut, Thanks for the screen shot, it looks like my CW ID, text end & start characters are running into each other, I will try to correct that tonight. Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Hartmut Wolff Sent: 18 November 2005 23:53 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: CB and WG Attached a screenshot with the two signals. 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:43:48 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdYcm-0000hS-3E for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:43:48 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdYcl-0000gg-RO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:43:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdYcS-0007yM-OL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:43:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdYcS-0007yD-D9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:43:28 +0000 Received: from smtp.wp.pl ([212.77.101.1]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdZUe-0007N7-8F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:39:29 +0000 Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 28972 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2005 20:43:21 +0100 Received: from br198.internetdsl.tpnet.pl (HELO [192.168.0.103]) (sq5bpm@[80.53.201.198]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 19 Nov 2005 20:43:21 +0100 Message-ID: <437F8058.9080803@wp.pl> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:43:20 +0100 From: Marek SQ5BPM User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.4 (Windows/20050908) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004401c5ed2f$4c3fe9b0$ee1347c3@kc61d0682c4d14> In-Reply-To: <004401c5ed2f$4c3fe9b0$ee1347c3@kc61d0682c4d14> X-WP-AV: skaner antywirusowy poczty Wirtualnej Polski S. A. X-WP-SPAM: NO AS1=NO AS2=YES(0.994744) AS3=NO AS4=NO Subject: Re: LF: Out off topics: Candlelight test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello everybody, Okay then, I didn't plan it, but for those interested, I will also beacon throughout this night from SP5ZCC, in a similar way DK1IS does, until the Candlelight starts tomorrow. Here 100mW, QRSS3 at 1919.19 kHz into an inverted vee. I will start when I come back to the club, i.e. around 2030z. All reports will be greatly appreciated! 73! Marek SQ5BPM P.S. I may temporarily turn off the beacon from time to time this evening to check for DK1IS signal. Thomas Kölpin wrote: > Hello dear lf group, > > to whom it may concern: > > I´ve just (20051119-1700 utc) started my candlelight beacon for a > pre-test on 1919,200 / 1919.202 kHz with 10 mW rf at my 13-m-marconi > ant, DFCW 10, double space, 3 seconds gap. Text: dk1is jn59wk 10mw > , followed by fast cw id dk1is with 15 bpm. At 20051120-0800 utc I´ll > change to the usual codeword transmission. > > If you happen to see/hear anything I would be glad to get a report! > > Vy 73 es cuagn > Tom, DK1IS From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:08:07 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdY4E-0001Vv-GN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:08:06 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdY4E-0001Vc-8l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:08:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdY3k-0007qy-Rs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:07:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdY3k-0007qp-9x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:07:36 +0000 Received: from mailout04.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.18]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdYvv-0006we-LJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:03:36 +0000 Received: from fwd28.aul.t-online.de by mailout04.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EdY3h-0000X8-01; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:07:33 +0100 Received: from localhost (Tnh+UEZa8eyt43wWbohwbV2QlEfFdRYmO5a0N-navFpVJOcSTK+94W@[172.20.101.250]) by fwd28.aul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EdY3b-1oaybw0; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:07:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <004401c5ed2f$4c3fe9b0$ee1347c3@kc61d0682c4d14> References: <004401c5ed2f$4c3fe9b0$ee1347c3@kc61d0682c4d14> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 20:07:27 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-UMS: email X-Mailer: TOI Kommunikationscenter V6-0-1 From: "uwe-jannsen@t-online.de" Message-ID: <1EdY3b-1oaybw0@fwd28.aul.t-online.de> X-ID: Tnh+UEZa8eyt43wWbohwbV2QlEfFdRYmO5a0N-navFpVJOcSTK+94W@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 25c36891-b049-4db5-b857-b7f8e9c1f060 Subject: Re: LF: Out off topics: Candlelight test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Tom, sign was three to five dB above noise. vy73 Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:27:25 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdXQo-0008HF-KM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:27:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdXQo-0008Gn-Dc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:27:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdXQT-0007jn-9p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:27:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdXQS-0007je-R6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:27:00 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdYIb-0006Wl-B1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:23:00 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.148] (helo=mx5.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.53-RC2) id 1EdXQO-0001vJ-Mv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:26:56 +0100 Received: from p5486ad62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.173.98] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx5.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.54 #12) id 1EdXQN-0006MQ-Gb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 19:26:56 +0100 Message-ID: <437F6E90.3060706@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:27:28 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004401c5ed2f$4c3fe9b0$ee1347c3@kc61d0682c4d14> In-Reply-To: <004401c5ed2f$4c3fe9b0$ee1347c3@kc61d0682c4d14> Subject: Re: LF: Out off topics: Candlelight test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050404070606050307080503" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050404070606050307080503 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Tom,

"M" to "O" copy at the moment in JO42FD. Occasional letters are very strong, but slow fading lets others disappear. Of course your signal will get much stronger here later this evening.


73, Wolf DL4YHF .

Thomas Kölpin schrieb:
Hello dear lf group,
 
to whom it may concern:
 
I´ve just (20051119-1700 utc) started my candlelight beacon for a pre-test on 1919,200 / 1919.202 kHz with 10 mW rf at my 13-m-marconi ant, DFCW 10, double space, 3 seconds gap. Text: dk1is jn59wk 10mw , followed by fast cw id dk1is with 15 bpm. At 20051120-0800 utc I´ll change to the usual codeword transmission.
 
If you happen to see/hear anything I would be glad to get a report!
 
Vy 73 es cuagn
Tom, DK1IS

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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:09:50 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.109]) by omc1-s30.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:01:39 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:01:39 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.224.65.75 by BAY5-DAV5.phx.gbl with DAV; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:01:38 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.224.65.75] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: "Lowfer_Post" , "rsgb_lf_group" Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:01:37 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:01:37 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Nov 2005 18:01:39.0017 (UTC) FILETIME=[49FA1B90:01C5ED33] Subject: LF: Toroid inductor winding chart??? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Does anyone have a chart or a link to an online chart for winding toroids to a specific inductance? The specific cores are T50-43 but if there is a universal chart available, that would be nice to keep around the shop for future inductor winding.
 
The toroids will be wound with Litz wire so we don't want to waste any expensive Litz if possible.
 
Thank you,
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI on the air 185.3025kc
EN35hj
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:33:45 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdWav-0007QI-4X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:33:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdWau-0007Q0-VN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:33:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdWaK-0007VX-NS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:33:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdWaK-0007VO-7K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:33:08 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdWi3-0003N6-PX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 17:41:10 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 Nov 2005 17:32:50 -0000 Received: from ambg-c34713ee.pool.mediaWays.net (HELO kc61d0682c4d14) [195.71.19.238] by mail.gmx.net (mp027) with SMTP; 19 Nov 2005 18:32:50 +0100 X-Authenticated: #17603633 Message-ID: <004401c5ed2f$4c3fe9b0$ee1347c3@kc61d0682c4d14> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Thomas_K=F6lpin?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 18:32:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: LF: Out off topics: Candlelight test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello dear lf group,
 
to whom it may concern:
 
I´ve just (20051119-1700 utc) started my candlelight beacon for a pre-test on 1919,200 / 1919.202 kHz with 10 mW rf at my 13-m-marconi ant, DFCW 10, double space, 3 seconds gap. Text: dk1is jn59wk 10mw , followed by fast cw id dk1is with 15 bpm. At 20051120-0800 utc I´ll change to the usual codeword transmission.
 
If you happen to see/hear anything I would be glad to get a report!
 
Vy 73 es cuagn
Tom, DK1IS
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:19:47 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdTZB-0004LN-Sr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:19:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdTZB-0004K7-Nh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:19:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdTYq-0007GX-Sf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:19:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdTYq-0007GO-Cy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:19:24 +0000 Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.82]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdTgX-0001kz-25 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:27:23 +0000 Received: from fwd31.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EdTP1-0001d5-00; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 15:09:15 +0100 Received: from HW1 (GWIblBZaQenZw-7uX8daMhUDtKjuPhKLOvndMP6ElrRE5qG3Fmy+wg@[84.133.121.203]) by fwd31.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EdTO3-1v6vSK0; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 15:08:15 +0100 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 15:08:18 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <392040590.20051119150818@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "Lowfer (LWCA)" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: GWIblBZaQenZw-7uX8daMhUDtKjuPhKLOvndMP6ElrRE5qG3Fmy+wg X-TOI-MSGID: 31ea0025-cea2-4b55-adea-efd697d84d09 Subject: LF: TA Nov, 18/19th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) VO1NA: Copied "NA" 19:00-22:10 and 01:00-07:30 UTC. Strong between 01:00 and 06:30. WD2XDW: One full DFCW "XDW" string copied about 03:05-03:40 UTC. After that only partial copy until 06:30. WD2XES: Nothing copied of the 2.5b/s WOLF transmission. After the change to WOLF 5b/s good copy. WD2XGJ: Visible about 02:30-06:30 with a lot of fading. Best between 04:00 and 05:00. WD2XKO: Copied 22:45-06:55. Strong signal. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:04:54 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdTKk-0004sH-In for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:04:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdTKk-0004pZ-FD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:04:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdTJP-0007Az-GG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:03:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdTJO-0007Aq-Oy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:03:26 +0000 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdUBU-0003Wv-5N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 14:59:22 +0000 Received: from p1i5f0 (gi77.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.82]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 351B5B8439; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:03:12 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000d01c5ed12$406544e0$5211f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <010f01c5ecd0$c62392e0$0201a8c0@private.network> Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:05:06 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: [LW] TIL in PSK31... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
>Conducting some tests on 137.400KHz in PSK31 @ ~50W  any reports welcome...
 

VE7TIL/B CN89lg PSE QSL sthed@telus.net

VE7TIL/B CN89lg PSE QSL sthed@telus.net

VE7TIL/B CN89lg PSE QSL sthed@telus.net

VE7TIL/B CN89lg PSE QSL sthed@telus.net

 

Nice signal over here. 

Steve / VE7SL

Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at   http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:08:25 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdPdv-0000Ui-T7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:08:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdPdv-0000SA-G6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:08:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdPdA-0006wK-7c for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:07:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdPd9-0006wB-OJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:07:35 +0000 Received: from smtp3.wanadoo.co.uk ([193.252.22.156] helo=smtp3.freeserve.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdPkm-0007oh-6n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 10:15:29 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3201.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A8BD1240008A for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:07:28 +0100 (CET) Received: from wwinf3203 (wwinf3203 [172.22.156.30]) by mwinf3201.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 9DBF72400089 for ; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:07:28 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051119100728646.9DBF72400089@mwinf3201.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <11328239.1132394848637.JavaMail.www@wwinf3203> From: Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC To: RSGB Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [86.131.81.37] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 11:07:28 +0100 (CET) Subject: LF: TA last night Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

G4WGT et al

Band condx better last night, less QRN.

NA and XKO readable from 00.00 but best copy just before dawn UK.

Best of luck, Laurie G3AQC 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:19:46 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdM4e-0000B0-T3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:19:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdM4e-0000AI-OS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:19:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdM3j-0006jQ-Sy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:18:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdM3j-0006jH-A0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 06:18:47 +0000 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdMvh-000736-V8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 07:14:35 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051119061454.NEZN26831.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 23:14:54 -0700 Message-ID: <010f01c5ecd0$c62392e0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:16:26 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TIL in PSK31... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Conducting some tests on 137.400KHz in PSK31 @ ~50W  any reports welcome...
 
73 Scott
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:14:45 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdHJT-0001gT-II for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:14:44 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdHJT-0001gJ-Bh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:14:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdHIy-000683-Ap for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:14:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdHIx-00067u-Rw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:14:11 +0000 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdIAr-0003x8-Qm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 02:09:54 +0000 Received: (qmail 99391 invoked from network); 19 Nov 2005 01:14:05 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@86.132.157.2 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 19 Nov 2005 01:14:05 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 01:14:57 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <926748831.20051119005247@t-online.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: CB and WG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hartmut, LF Thanks for the report and screenshot. G3WCB is now QRT from 01:00z. The TX seemed to behave itself tonight, so I may run right through tomorrow night, from about 23:00 onwards. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Hartmut Wolff Sent: 18 November 2005 23:53 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: CB and WG Attached a screenshot with the two signals. 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:49:45 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdGvF-0003dL-JA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:49:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdGvF-0003Wc-4D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:49:41 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdGuq-00060H-9O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:49:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdGup-000608-Fb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:49:15 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.198.39] helo=rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdH2D-0003Gd-NZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:56:57 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter77.comcast.net ([204.127.197.177]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <200511190048580150033tk4e>; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:49:04 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter77.comcast.net; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:48:57 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "Gary - G4WGT" Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 00:48:57 +0000 Message-Id: <111920050048.2690.437E7677000DCB5600000A8222007510900B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: RE: LF: Beacon test Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070505030803080209010703" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070505030803080209010703 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Gary, Sorry nil copy copy. As Murphy would have it very strong noise on exactly 135.923 (attached) -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > Warren & LF, > > Power is now up to 400 watts DC input, text is "WGT" & mode is QRSS30, CW ID > remains the same. > > Regards, > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Warren > K2ORS/WD2XGJ > Sent: 18 November 2005 20:13 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; LF (Rsgb LF Group) > Cc: Gary - G4WGT > Subject: Re: LF: Beacon test > > > Gary, > > If you are still on after 22:00 UTC I will attempt to copy. > > -- > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > FN42hi > http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > > > > Hi All at LF, > > > > Testing tonight 135.923 KHz qrss10 at the moment, may go qrss30 later. > > > > Sending :- > > > > G4WGT TEST then cw id "G4WGT IO83QP" > > > > Regards, > > > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > > > Web 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- G3WCB Beacon Mode from 22:00z Tonight. 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Dear LF,
 
G3WCB is in beacon mode from 22:00 utc until 00:00 utc tonight, or a bit later. 135.920, QRSS60 + 6wpm CW i/d.  QRSS i/d "CB".
 
200W RF output, 1.7 A RF up the spout.
 
Reports most welcome!
 
73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Jay Rusgrove
Sent: 18 November 2005 17:47
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: TA window

TA enthusiasts
 
Testing an EU TA window at:  http://www.w1vd.com/page12.html 
 
for those that would like to fry spiders and watch their signal at the same time. NPG at 925 is off the back of the antenna (25 dB down) so hoping it isn't a problem. Screen update every 10 minutes...if the FTP doesn't crater. 
 
Resolution and/or antenna changes, ftp problems or who knows what else will likely occur without notice ;~)
 
Jay, W1VD 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:53:55 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdEB7-0001GC-NI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:53:55 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdEB7-0001Fm-CZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:53:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdEAO-0005Xb-Ke for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:53:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdEAO-0005XS-3B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:53:08 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.38]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdEHj-0001ia-U6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:00:46 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 18 Nov 2005 21:53:00 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AAAAANzZfUOGCwEBAQEHCgce Received: from 80-43-45-122.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([80.43.45.122]:3177 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EdEAF-000Ixq-RV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:52:59 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:53:25 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <111820052012.15179.437E35B5000159E200003B4B22070208530B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: LF: Beacon test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Warren & LF, Power is now up to 400 watts DC input, text is "WGT" & mode is QRSS30, CW ID remains the same. Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ Sent: 18 November 2005 20:13 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; LF (Rsgb LF Group) Cc: Gary - G4WGT Subject: Re: LF: Beacon test Gary, If you are still on after 22:00 UTC I will attempt to copy. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > Hi All at LF, > > Testing tonight 135.923 KHz qrss10 at the moment, may go qrss30 later. > > Sending :- > > G4WGT TEST then cw id "G4WGT IO83QP" > > Regards, > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:58:28 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdDJP-0005WS-Oq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:58:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdDJP-0005VY-2f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:58:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdDJ6-0005O7-HJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:58:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdDJ5-0005Ny-Vp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:58:03 +0000 Received: from mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdEAu-0000mO-RV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:53:42 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 18 Nov 2005 20:57:56 +0000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+o= Received: from 80-43-45-122.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([80.43.45.122]:2593 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EdDGP-0001ON-Hu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:55:17 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:58:17 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <111820052012.15179.437E35B5000159E200003B4B22070208530B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: LF: Beacon test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Warren & LF, I am changing text to "WGT" & mode to QRSS30 now, CW ID remains the same, power 300 watts DC input.. Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ Sent: 18 November 2005 20:13 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; LF (Rsgb LF Group) Cc: Gary - G4WGT Subject: Re: LF: Beacon test Gary, If you are still on after 22:00 UTC I will attempt to copy. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > Hi All at LF, > > Testing tonight 135.923 KHz qrss10 at the moment, may go qrss30 later. > > Sending :- > > G4WGT TEST then cw id "G4WGT IO83QP" > > Regards, > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:39:53 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdD1T-0006p6-Fb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:39:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdD1T-0006nD-7u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:39:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdD16-0005Gz-Vz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:39:28 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdD16-0005Gq-Ji for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:39:28 +0000 Received: from mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.23]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdDsv-0000Yl-1u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:35:07 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-ironport-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 18 Nov 2005 20:39:20 +0000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+o= Received: from 80-43-45-122.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([80.43.45.122]:2468 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EdCyP-000OcD-Nt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:36:41 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:39:40 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <111820052012.15179.437E35B5000159E200003B4B22070208530B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> Importance: Normal Subject: RE: LF: Beacon test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Warren, I will try to stay on till about 2330z, I will change to qrss30 soon. Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ Sent: 18 November 2005 20:13 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; LF (Rsgb LF Group) Cc: Gary - G4WGT Subject: Re: LF: Beacon test Gary, If you are still on after 22:00 UTC I will attempt to copy. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > Hi All at LF, > > Testing tonight 135.923 KHz qrss10 at the moment, may go qrss30 later. > > Sending :- > > G4WGT TEST then cw id "G4WGT IO83QP" > > Regards, > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:13:12 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdCbe-0004DI-Ft for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:13:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdCbe-0004Bk-AK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:13:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdCbQ-0005Aa-9V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:12:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdCbP-0005AR-BD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:12:55 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.198.35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdDTB-0000CA-UG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 21:08:33 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter91.comcast.net ([204.127.197.191]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005111820123801300c3i56e>; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:12:43 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter91.comcast.net; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:12:37 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "LF (Rsgb LF Group)" Cc: "Gary - G4WGT" Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:12:37 +0000 Message-Id: <111820052012.15179.437E35B5000159E200003B4B22070208530B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: Re: LF: Beacon test X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Gary, If you are still on after 22:00 UTC I will attempt to copy. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm > Hi All at LF, > > Testing tonight 135.923 KHz qrss10 at the moment, may go qrss30 later. > > Sending :- > > G4WGT TEST then cw id "G4WGT IO83QP" > > Regards, > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > > Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:04:32 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdCTG-0004ei-Ti for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:04:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdCTG-0004eJ-Pr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:04:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdCSL-00055G-V2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:03:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdCSL-000557-FE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:03:33 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.38]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdCZg-0000bi-47 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:11:09 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-smarthost-2.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 18 Nov 2005 20:02:21 +0000 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AAAAALy9fUOGCwEBAQEHCgce Received: from 80-43-45-122.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([80.43.45.122]:2136 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EdCOc-000IDl-Gl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:59:42 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: "LF \(Rsgb LF Group\)" Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 20:02:38 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: Beacon test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi All at LF, Testing tonight 135.923 KHz qrss10 at the moment, may go qrss30 later. Sending :- G4WGT TEST then cw id "G4WGT IO83QP" Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:51:38 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdBKj-00083E-Q1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:51:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdBKj-00082w-JJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:51:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdBK6-0004vq-4U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:50:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdBK5-0004vh-Ee for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 18:50:57 +0000 Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.82]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdCBs-0007cu-7D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:46:34 +0000 Received: from fwd31.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EdBK1-0003nN-00; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:50:53 +0100 Received: from HW1 (TDmRxGZdoeCmvwAGNQxGOrT26rEmmUToTXQrpSfMIBosgh2e6FBtEQ@[84.133.112.118]) by fwd31.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EdBJr-0w3nFI0; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:50:43 +0100 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 19:50:42 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <6399178.20051118195042@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: TDmRxGZdoeCmvwAGNQxGOrT26rEmmUToTXQrpSfMIBosgh2e6FBtEQ X-TOI-MSGID: 50b8d398-c772-409a-9d17-0ef0116d6d84 Subject: LF: TA Nov, 17/18th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Copied "XKO" 00:45-07:00 UTC and "NA" 20:00-07:00 / 12:00-15:00 UTC. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:38:54 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdACM-0006x2-8N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:38:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EdACM-0006w2-43 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:38:54 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EdABQ-0004nG-Hr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:37:56 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EdABP-0004n7-V4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:37:56 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([63.240.77.81]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EdAIg-0007fU-EF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:45:28 +0000 Received: from AIRPORTTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <200511181737430110029qv8e>; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 17:37:47 +0000 Message-ID: <004001c5ec68$12ff43c0$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c5e005$e2d511c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <436A505F.7000400@freenet.de> Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 12:46:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: TA window Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
TA enthusiasts
 
Testing an EU TA window at:  http://www.w1vd.com/page12.html 
 
for those that would like to fry spiders and watch their signal at the same time. NPG at 925 is off the back of the antenna (25 dB down) so hoping it isn't a problem. Screen update every 10 minutes...if the FTP doesn't crater. 
 
Resolution and/or antenna changes, ftp problems or who knows what else will likely occur without notice ;~)
 
Jay, W1VD 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:49:17 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ed4k1-0008BC-7M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:49:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ed4k0-0008AU-W0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:49:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ed4hJ-0004Mo-CS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:46:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ed4hI-0004Mf-St for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:46:28 +0000 Received: from viruswall.astrium.eads.net ([194.203.13.70]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ed4oS-0004pn-8c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:53:54 +0000 Received: from mms12031.pth.uk.astrium.corp ([194.35.68.222]) by viruswall.astrium.eads.net with InterScan Messaging Security Suite; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:46:19 -0000 Received: by mms12031.pth.uk.astrium.corp with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:46:19 -0000 Message-ID: From: "OSBORN, Chris" To: "LF Group (rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org)" Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2005 11:46:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Subject: LF: Weekend acivity - UK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit My new LF home brewed transmitter-receiver is now operational and hasn't blown any FET's for some days ! I had a good contact with Tom DL4EAU last week on QRSS-3. I shall be on 136 kHz over the weekend should anyone care for a QSO or wish to test their receive set-up. I aim to start about 0830 GMT on CW and then migrate to QRSS. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------ Unfortunately my XYL's newly acquired microwave cooker badly interferes with the LF receiver. Has anyone had experience of this, and the cure ? The shack is on the same electrical circuit and about 30 feet (10 m) from the offending microwave. 73 Chris G3XIZ This email is for the intended addressee only. If you have received it in error then you must not use, retain, disseminate or otherwise deal with it. Please notify the sender by return email. The views of the author may not necessarily constitute the views of EADS Astrium Limited. Nothing in this email shall bind EADS Astrium Limited in any contract or obligation. EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259 Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:56:22 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcjJJ-0001Tn-Kt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:56:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcjJJ-0001Sj-G5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:56:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EcjI9-0002nF-6j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:55:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EcjI8-0002n6-J9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:55:04 +0000 Received: from nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.41]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EcjOo-0003zb-T5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:02:01 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37004C3B8 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:54:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp02.kuleuven.be (lepidus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.72]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27C434C634 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:54:56 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp02.kuleuven.be (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2F332CAAB1; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:54:55 +0100 (CET) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by smtp02.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FA42CAAA7 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:54:55 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20051117135923.012d1078@u0019445.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: u0019445@u0019445.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 13:59:28 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20051115135604.01e10ae0@127.0.0.1> References: <000901c5e9d2$c0cd9670$1f03210a@Hugh> <000a01c5e938$ec8c8680$0400a8c0@router> <000501c5e93d$83feadf0$1f03210a@Hugh> <1132001620.4378f95428c87@webmail.ukonline.net> <000901c5e9d2$c0cd9670$1f03210a@Hugh> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster Subject: Re: LF: Re: How measuring Ground conductivity ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit At 13:56 15/11/2005 +0100, you wrote: >Hello Bryan, > >The earth resistance is frequency dependent. Measurement at 50Hz says >nothing about the value at 137kHz. For more info consult ON7YD's web >site: http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136khz.htm. > >I measure the earth resistance by inserting an RF bridge between the >bottom end of the loading coil and the earth connection. Then I tune the >aerial/earth system to resonance in the LF band. The bridge then >measures the real part of the impedance of the system (so a bridge that >cannot measure reactance is sufficient, for instance a simple homemade >noise bridge). > > From the value so obtained I subtract the loss resistance of the coil. > This has been determined by measuring its inductance and Q. > >The remaining value is the earth resistance by a good approximation. Of >course loss and radiation resistance of the aerial itself are also part >of the measured resistance. But these contributions are so small as >compared to earth and coil resistance that they can be ignored. > >I find for my location an earth resistance at 137kHz of about 22 ohms in >winter. During summer it is somewhat higher and also when the earth is wet >with rain. > >73, Dick, PA0SE > > > >At 11:52 15-11-05, you wrote: >>Hello Bryan, >>Yes. 10s is twenty or thirty meters. >>I designed and built a bit of kit for the purpose of doing some >>archeological ground resistance surveys, (although in the end we were >>able to use professional >>equipment from the Kent Archeological Society). I tried a frame with four, 4 >>inch nails spaced 0.33m apart, in a line, and aerated the the back garden >>with it. I found it quite a good random number generator from about 10 ohms >>to 60 ohms. >> >>I remade the frame with two nails spaced 1 metre apart, one measuring and >>one driven, and using a long cable placed the other two probes well outside >>the area being surveyed. This gave a much more consistent reading of about >>10 ohms, except near the garden path where the reading was higher. This is >>the configuration usually employed by archeologists as it is supposed to >>"see" deeper into the soil. >> >>My measuring current was 1mA and the polarity reversed at 66Hz. >> >>You are right that the reading doesn't seem to vary much with probe >>spacing - a fact which still amazes me. >>My, very limited, knowledge comes mostly from the excellent book "Seeing >>beneath the soil" by Anthony Clark. >> >>But as John has already observed, the parameter that we are measuring has >>only to do with the ground rod effectiveness, and is not a measure of RF >>losses. >>73 >>Hugh M0WYE >> >>----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" >>To: >>Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:53 PM >>Subject: Re: LF: Re: How measuring Ground conductivity ? >> >> >>>What does s stand for as in 10s of meters ? *(Presumably metres)* >>> >>> >>>I thought distance apart made no difference in homogenous soil ? >>> >>>Bryan (Floating in a boat on sea-water ) >>> >>>Quoting Hugh M0WYE : >>> >>>>. >>>> >>>>However I got similar readings to you - around 10 ohms - with moist, >>>>garden >>>>soil. >>>> >>>>I found the most repeatable readings were when one current and one >>>>voltage >>>>probe, 1m apart, were seperated by 10s of meters from the other pair - as >>>>is >>>> >>>>used for archeological ground resistance surveys. >>>> >>>>73 >>>>Hugh M0WYE >>>> >>>> >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Uwe Wensauer" >>>>To: >>>>Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:31 PM >>>>Subject: LF: How measuring Ground conductivity ? >>>> >>>> >>>>To discuss >>>> >>>>Measure ground conductivity. >>>> >>>> >>>>I placed two stainless- steel rods ( 3mm dia ) whithin a distance of 7 >>>>Meters apart abt 80cm deep into soil >>>> >>>>Powered with 50 Hz. >>>>In series with the electrodes is a 10 Ohm resistor. In order to measuring >>>>current, I measure the voltage drop across resistor. >>>> >>>>Depending on weather I got 8 Ohm / m = 125mS >>>> >>>>Is this measurement setup ( proceeding ) correct ? >>>> >>>>Please correct me. >>>> >>>>Uwe, DK1KQ >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>> >>>---------------------------------------------- >>>This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:11:25 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcYJA-0005mR-SD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:11:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcYJA-0005mJ-CU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:11:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EcYHh-0001s1-77 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:09:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EcYHg-0001rs-Le for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:09:52 +0000 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EcZ8n-0006gm-PX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 02:04:49 +0000 Received: from rmailcenter75.comcast.net ([204.127.197.157]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005111701093601400ntum2e>; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:09:41 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by rmailcenter75.comcast.net; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:09:34 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: LWCA LF Reflector Cc: rsgb lf reflector Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 01:09:34 +0000 Message-Id: <111720050109.11317.437BD84D00019A7E00002C3522064246130B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: LF: Condx X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Excellent copy of the BBC tonite on 198 kHz. Just listened to the shipping forecast and now the news with commentary on Bush's trip to China. No luck with TMO on 185.3. Could be the sidebands from the bc station on 183 are a problem, even when using the 300Hz filter. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xgj.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:43:25 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcTBk-0006Y2-5C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:43:24 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcTBj-0006Vb-18 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:43:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EcTAZ-0001Ux-Mm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:42:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EcTAZ-0001Uo-6r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 19:42:11 +0000 Received: from mailout08.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EcU1c-0003e3-67 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:37:02 +0000 Received: from fwd27.aul.t-online.de by mailout08.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EcTAT-0000e8-02; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:42:05 +0100 Received: from HW1 (rfSaW4ZVreJHHhtaUU5io7Znu8IIi-qcwAS2Wo0mbwIQ9MowIKC86H@[84.133.70.106]) by fwd27.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EcTA7-1Mv5Qe0; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:41:43 +0100 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 20:41:40 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <991737791.20051116204140@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: rfSaW4ZVreJHHhtaUU5io7Znu8IIi-qcwAS2Wo0mbwIQ9MowIKC86H X-TOI-MSGID: ffca7bc9-e30d-4911-a8ed-159ee0fa4c1f Subject: LF: TA Nov, 15/16th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Have updated my website with TA captures taken last night. Included RA3YO beaconing on 137.77865 also. No captures of WD2XES's WOLF transmission due to recording failure. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:28:58 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcIf2-0005hc-PY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:28:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcIf2-0005hO-HP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:28:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EcIeJ-0000I2-QU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:28:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EcIeJ-0000Ht-7M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 08:28:11 +0000 Received: from outbound01.telus.net ([199.185.220.220] helo=priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EcJVC-0001eG-AO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 09:22:51 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051116082417.PYNA19657.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:24:17 -0700 Message-ID: <00c601c5ea87$58edef40$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:25:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: NDB TX online on 2200m Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I finished the mods to the NDB TX tonight and sent my first 'linear mode' message on 2200m in PSK31 this evening.
 
Now to work on making it howl.
 
Scott
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:57:07 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcCXr-0005aD-CG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:57:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcCXr-0005a2-6u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:57:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EcCXD-000731-Et for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:56:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EcCXC-00072s-PY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:56:26 +0000 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EcDNz-00050C-Ga for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 02:51:00 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051116015617.JDPE7050.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:56:17 -0700 Message-ID: <004a01c5ea51$254bc3a0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:57:48 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TIL off for listening... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
TIL is off so I can listen tonight... I'll return to TX operation prior to ZL sunset tonight...
 
73 Scott
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:20:20 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcB2C-0006rZ-BW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:20:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EcB2C-0006qA-4c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:20:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EcB1T-0006XG-0n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:19:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EcB1S-0006X7-Kz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 00:19:34 +0000 Received: from mx2-old.magma.ca ([206.191.0.250] helo=mx2.magma.ca) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EcBsE-0003RX-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2005 01:14:07 +0000 Received: from mail1.magma.ca (mail1.magma.ca [206.191.0.252]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jAG0IUa1008574; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:18:32 -0500 Received: from nocturna-y1zrar.magma.ca (nrtcorback-216-168-120-141.nrtco.net [216.168.120.141]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail1.magma.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jAG0IS9C019557 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:18:30 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.1.20051115191527.01c27760@magma.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:18:52 -0500 To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Bill de Carle Cc: lowfer@lwca.org In-Reply-To: <004f01c5ea2a$23119cd0$7101a8c0@JKA> References: <399145516.20051115171224@t-online.de> <437A1A2C.5030607@freenet.de> <1783486731.20051115190053@t-online.de> <004f01c5ea2a$23119cd0$7101a8c0@JKA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: Re: [LW] XES WOLF 20 Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit At 04:18 PM 11/15/2005, John Andrews wrote: >WD2XES will be using the WOLF 20 b/s mode tonight with 50 watts on 137.422 >kHz, starting around 2300 UTC. Reports are welcome. 2005-11-16 00:11:01 >WOLF -r 8100 -f 799.95 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 t: 12 f:-0.878 a:-0.9 dp:105.5 ci:11 cj:204 SWKRRPJMF/56KU/ ? t: 24 f:-0.887 a:-0.4 dp:105.8 ci: 8 cj:143 LQDKA9JHUQ0NV3L ? t: 48 f:-0.148 a:-1.6 dp:104.3 ci: 2 cj:345 M9WB0H0JZF37T2L ? t: 96 f: 0.000 pm:643.5 jm: 18 q: -6.8 -7.2 I38X6XG37 1T9GD ? t: 144 f: 0.000 pm: 1465 jm: 18 q: -3.2 -4.2 XES 50W WOLF 20 - t: 192 f: 0.000 pm: 1626 jm: 18 q: -3.1 -3.7 XES 50W WOLF 20 - Static is horrible here tonight as well (S9+ in 500 Hz BW) Signal not audible and absolutely no trace of it on the waterfall display. Good WOLF copy though. This rocks! Bill VE2IQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:02:29 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ec58W-0008NC-Vy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:02:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ec58W-0008Mn-Q4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:02:28 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ec58F-0004tU-Df for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:02:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ec58F-0004tL-1V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:02:11 +0000 Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ec5yu-0004n7-8P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:56:37 +0000 Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Ec57E-0005NG-04; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:01:08 +0100 Received: from HW1 (GnzR-YZBwerLqrfsJr4nqtwfw93L9B48RKBK0MWLffnlBEXMv-cEsZ@[84.133.97.175]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1Ec571-1s7aUa0; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:00:55 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 19:00:53 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1783486731.20051115190053@t-online.de> To: Wolf DL4YHF In-Reply-To: <437A1A2C.5030607@freenet.de> References: <399145516.20051115171224@t-online.de> <437A1A2C.5030607@freenet.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: GnzR-YZBwerLqrfsJr4nqtwfw93L9B48RKBK0MWLffnlBEXMv-cEsZ X-TOI-MSGID: 075db87e-fe41-4a4b-bf70-122330522c1c Subject: Re: LF: TA Nov, 14/15th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Wolf, > Phew, congratulations to you (and John of course) ... Thanks! > f=0.000 over such > a long time and such a distance ... Do you have a GPS-disciplined L.O. > in your receiver ? I never achived such a "zero-drift" decoder run on > such a long WOLF RX run. I think John's tx is very stable! I'm using the usual JRC NRD-525 with built in TXCO, no GPS-disciplined L.O. The rx is very stable, I've one of these rx running for several weeks now 24h/7d without any tunning in the 137.7 range receiving EU QRSS and TA 137.775/782. 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:26:26 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ec4Zd-0005Dt-C2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:26:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ec4Zd-0005DU-69 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:26:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ec4Yx-0004ej-JV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:25:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ec4Yw-0004ea-Vf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:25:42 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ec5Pa-0003wN-HV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:20:08 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.192] (helo=mx8.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.53-RC2) id 1Ec4Yt-0001mX-Pl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:25:39 +0100 Received: from p5486b872.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.184.114] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx8.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.54 #12) id 1Ec4Yt-00067Y-G8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 18:25:39 +0100 Message-ID: <437A1A2C.5030607@freenet.de> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:26:04 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <399145516.20051115171224@t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <399145516.20051115171224@t-online.de> Subject: Re: LF: TA Nov, 14/15th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Harmut , >Copied the 50W WOLF5 transmission of WD2XES. >(..) >t:1344 f: 0.000 pm:440.2 jm:368 q: -3.4 -5.1 XES 50W WOLF 5 - >(..) >t:3264 f: 0.000 pm:830.4 jm:368 q: -1.1 -2.3 XES 50W WOLF 5 - > > Phew, congratulations to you (and John of course) ... f=0.000 over such a long time and such a distance ... Do you have a GPS-disciplined L.O. in your receiver ? I never achived such a "zero-drift" decoder run on such a long WOLF RX run. Besides that, I never managed to decode TA WOLF signals at my noisy home location ;-( 73, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:13:53 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ec3RP-0007vn-RL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:13:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ec3RP-0007vS-MX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:13:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ec3R9-0004I4-9U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:13:35 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ec3R8-0004Hv-Sj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:13:34 +0000 Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.83]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ec4Hl-0002O3-6h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:07:59 +0000 Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Ec3Q6-0002zy-03; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:12:30 +0100 Received: from HW1 (Xph7yEZ1Yef6ZZv9fdIefFlm7Fz8usY1QjERrHQORRl4rF6itG8MZ6@[84.133.97.175]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1Ec3Q2-0fk8Jc0; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:12:26 +0100 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 17:12:24 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <399145516.20051115171224@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, "Lowfer (LWCA)" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: Xph7yEZ1Yef6ZZv9fdIefFlm7Fz8usY1QjERrHQORRl4rF6itG8MZ6 X-TOI-MSGID: 608a050c-2d0c-46e3-aeaa-654323623ba2 Subject: LF: TA Nov, 14/15th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Good overnight copy of VO1NA 19:00-06:00 UTC. Due to a lot of deep fading only partial copy of WD2XGJ and WD2XKO 00:00-06:00 UTC. Copied the 50W WOLF5 transmission of WD2XES. Decoding was made from a soundfile started at 02:00UTC. I changed the rx configuration: instead of an LC-filter with 10dB att. used a 3dB att. to remove the fuzzy lines which appeared in this range. Also used another computer for recording. See below. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de t: 48 f: 0.002 a:-1.0 dp: 97.1 ci:14 cj:324 J/MBKS???5W/??? ? t: 96 f:-0.013 a:-0.7 dp: 94.0 ci: 4 cj:237 OJINLQ*RMDBC8.1 ? t: 192 f: 0.009 a: 0.9 dp: 95.2 ci:13 cj:416 IXA*L0LBKCMTL8K ? t: 384 f: 0.015 pm:113.4 jm:819 q:-13.2 -8.1 9.0TUBAQCXB2HMO ? t: 576 f:-0.005 pm:165.5 jm:368 q: -6.7 -8.0 HSN/9TUV4C THXB ? t: 768 f: 0.000 pm:298.6 jm:368 q: -5.8 -5.9 L3DD4BSR .EOC8H - t: 960 f: 0.000 pm:355.3 jm:368 q: -5.0 -8.3 UZF*MD2OMJ*TR.8 ? t:1152 f: 0.000 pm:367.4 jm:368 q: -4.3 -8.4 /61EJDDD.7O4HEL ? t:1344 f: 0.000 pm:440.2 jm:368 q: -3.4 -5.1 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:1536 f: 0.000 pm:501.1 jm:368 q: -3.3 -4.7 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:1728 f: 0.000 pm:559.4 jm:368 q: -2.9 -5.0 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:1920 f: 0.000 pm:644.0 jm:368 q: -2.4 -4.4 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:2112 f: 0.000 pm:669.9 jm:368 q: -2.2 -4.3 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:2304 f: 0.000 pm:727.4 jm:368 q: -1.8 -3.1 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:2496 f: 0.000 pm:736.6 jm:368 q: -1.6 -2.6 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:2688 f: 0.000 pm:747.3 jm:368 q: -1.3 -2.4 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:2880 f: 0.000 pm:788.7 jm:368 q: -1.1 -2.3 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:3072 f: 0.000 pm:802.0 jm:368 q: -1.1 -2.1 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:3264 f: 0.000 pm:830.4 jm:368 q: -1.1 -2.3 XES 50W WOLF 5 - From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:02:19 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ec3GD-0003Ua-Q9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:02:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ec3GD-0003UR-IS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:02:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ec3G0-00049d-Jv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:02:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ec3G0-00049U-2s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:02:04 +0000 Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.199]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ec46d-00027l-4X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:56:28 +0000 Received: (qmail 5531 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 16:00:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.83.153 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 16:00:55 -0000 Message-ID: <003001c5e9fd$b7dae1a0$99538351@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01c5e938$ec8c8680$0400a8c0@router> <000501c5e93d$83feadf0$1f03210a@Hugh> <1132001620.4378f95428c87@webmail.ukonline.net> <000901c5e9d2$c0cd9670$1f03210a@Hugh> <6.1.0.6.2.20051115135604.01e10ae0@127.0.0.1> <1132070097.437a04d10e22e@webmail.ukonline.net> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:00:33 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: Re: LF: Re: How measuring Ground conductivity ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) You can do it that way Bryan you just have to reverse the croc clips quickly !! :-)) Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" To: Sent: 15 November 2005 15:54 Subject: Re: LF: Re: How measuring Ground conductivity ? > Got it . Thanks both. You meant tens of metres - I thought 10s was ten times an > algebraic symbol s and didn't know what s represented LOL !! > > Its the temp. here that fries the brains. Guess who tried to measure dc > resistance between two rods in seawater with an m/ohm meter but didnt stop to > think that different metals for the rods generated a voltage which confused > everything. Back to the Budweiser head clearing cure. > > Bryan > > Quoting Dick Rollema : > > > Hello Bryan, > > > > The earth resistance is frequency dependent. Measurement at 50Hz says > > nothing about the value at 137kHz. For more info consult ON7YD's web site: > > http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136khz.htm. > > > > I measure the earth resistance by inserting an RF bridge between the bottom > > end of the loading coil and the earth connection. Then I tune the > > aerial/earth system to resonance in the LF band. The bridge then > > measures the real part of the impedance of the system (so a bridge that > > cannot measure reactance is sufficient, for instance a simple homemade > > noise bridge). > > > > From the value so obtained I subtract the loss resistance of the coil. > > This has been determined by measuring its inductance and Q. > > > > The remaining value is the earth resistance by a good approximation. Of > > course loss and radiation resistance of the aerial itself are also part of > > the measured resistance. But these contributions are so small as compared > > to earth and coil resistance that they can be ignored. > > > > I find for my location an earth resistance at 137kHz of about 22 ohms in > > winter. During summer it is somewhat higher and also when the earth is wet > > with rain. > > > > 73, Dick, PA0SE > > > > > > > > At 11:52 15-11-05, you wrote: > > >Hello Bryan, > > >Yes. 10s is twenty or thirty meters. > > >I designed and built a bit of kit for the purpose of doing some > > >archeological ground resistance surveys, (although in the end we were able > > >to use professional > > >equipment from the Kent Archeological Society). I tried a frame with four, > > 4 > > >inch nails spaced 0.33m apart, in a line, and aerated the the back garden > > >with it. I found it quite a good random number generator from about 10 ohms > > >to 60 ohms. > > > > > >I remade the frame with two nails spaced 1 metre apart, one measuring and > > >one driven, and using a long cable placed the other two probes well outside > > >the area being surveyed. This gave a much more consistent reading of about > > >10 ohms, except near the garden path where the reading was higher. This is > > >the configuration usually employed by archeologists as it is supposed to > > >"see" deeper into the soil. > > > > > >My measuring current was 1mA and the polarity reversed at 66Hz. > > > > > >You are right that the reading doesn't seem to vary much with probe > > >spacing - a fact which still amazes me. > > >My, very limited, knowledge comes mostly from the excellent book "Seeing > > >beneath the soil" by Anthony Clark. > > > > > >But as John has already observed, the parameter that we are measuring has > > >only to do with the ground rod effectiveness, and is not a measure of RF > > >losses. > > >73 > > >Hugh M0WYE > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" > > >To: > > >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:53 PM > > >Subject: Re: LF: Re: How measuring Ground conductivity ? > > > > > > > > >>What does s stand for as in 10s of meters ? *(Presumably metres)* > > >> > > >> > > >>I thought distance apart made no difference in homogenous soil ? > > >> > > >>Bryan (Floating in a boat on sea-water ) > > >> > > >>Quoting Hugh M0WYE : > > >> > > >>>. > > >>> > > >>>However I got similar readings to you - around 10 ohms - with moist, > > >>>garden > > >>>soil. > > >>> > > >>>I found the most repeatable readings were when one current and one > > >>>voltage > > >>>probe, 1m apart, were seperated by 10s of meters from the other pair - as > > >>>is > > >>> > > >>>used for archeological ground resistance surveys. > > >>> > > >>>73 > > >>>Hugh M0WYE > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Uwe Wensauer" > > >>>To: > > >>>Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:31 PM > > >>>Subject: LF: How measuring Ground conductivity ? > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>To discuss > > >>> > > >>>Measure ground conductivity. > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>I placed two stainless- steel rods ( 3mm dia ) whithin a distance of 7 > > >>>Meters apart abt 80cm deep into soil > > >>> > > >>>Powered with 50 Hz. > > >>>In series with the electrodes is a 10 Ohm resistor. In order to measuring > > >>>current, I measure the voltage drop across resistor. > > >>> > > >>>Depending on weather I got 8 Ohm / m = 125mS > > >>> > > >>>Is this measurement setup ( proceeding ) correct ? > > >>> > > >>>Please correct me. > > >>> > > >>>Uwe, DK1KQ > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >>-- > > >> > > >> > > >>---------------------------------------------- > > >>This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net > > > > > > > > -- > > > ---------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:56:06 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ec3A8-0000iD-78 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:56:05 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ec3A7-0000gu-UL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:56:00 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ec39B-00041h-Md for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:55:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ec39A-00041Y-TS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:55:00 +0000 Received: from apache1-wm.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.52]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ec3zm-0001y2-0i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 16:49:25 +0000 Received: from www by apache1-wm.uk.easynet.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1Ec397-000PQE-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:54:57 +0000 Received: from 68.152.75.124 ([68.152.75.124]) by webmail.ukonline.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:54:57 +0000 Message-ID: <1132070097.437a04d10e22e@webmail.ukonline.net> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 15:54:57 +0000 From: captbrian To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01c5e938$ec8c8680$0400a8c0@router> <000501c5e93d$83feadf0$1f03210a@Hugh> <1132001620.4378f95428c87@webmail.ukonline.net> <000901c5e9d2$c0cd9670$1f03210a@Hugh> <6.1.0.6.2.20051115135604.01e10ae0@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20051115135604.01e10ae0@127.0.0.1> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2 X-Originating-IP: 68.152.75.124 Subject: Re: LF: Re: How measuring Ground conductivity ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Got it . Thanks both. You meant tens of metres - I thought 10s was ten times an algebraic symbol s and didn't know what s represented LOL !! Its the temp. here that fries the brains. Guess who tried to measure dc resistance between two rods in seawater with an m/ohm meter but didnt stop to think that different metals for the rods generated a voltage which confused everything. Back to the Budweiser head clearing cure. Bryan Quoting Dick Rollema : > Hello Bryan, > > The earth resistance is frequency dependent. Measurement at 50Hz says > nothing about the value at 137kHz. For more info consult ON7YD's web site: > http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136khz.htm. > > I measure the earth resistance by inserting an RF bridge between the bottom > end of the loading coil and the earth connection. Then I tune the > aerial/earth system to resonance in the LF band. The bridge then > measures the real part of the impedance of the system (so a bridge that > cannot measure reactance is sufficient, for instance a simple homemade > noise bridge). > > From the value so obtained I subtract the loss resistance of the coil. > This has been determined by measuring its inductance and Q. > > The remaining value is the earth resistance by a good approximation. Of > course loss and radiation resistance of the aerial itself are also part of > the measured resistance. But these contributions are so small as compared > to earth and coil resistance that they can be ignored. > > I find for my location an earth resistance at 137kHz of about 22 ohms in > winter. During summer it is somewhat higher and also when the earth is wet > with rain. > > 73, Dick, PA0SE > > > > At 11:52 15-11-05, you wrote: > >Hello Bryan, > >Yes. 10s is twenty or thirty meters. > >I designed and built a bit of kit for the purpose of doing some > >archeological ground resistance surveys, (although in the end we were able > >to use professional > >equipment from the Kent Archeological Society). I tried a frame with four, > 4 > >inch nails spaced 0.33m apart, in a line, and aerated the the back garden > >with it. I found it quite a good random number generator from about 10 ohms > >to 60 ohms. > > > >I remade the frame with two nails spaced 1 metre apart, one measuring and > >one driven, and using a long cable placed the other two probes well outside > >the area being surveyed. This gave a much more consistent reading of about > >10 ohms, except near the garden path where the reading was higher. This is > >the configuration usually employed by archeologists as it is supposed to > >"see" deeper into the soil. > > > >My measuring current was 1mA and the polarity reversed at 66Hz. > > > >You are right that the reading doesn't seem to vary much with probe > >spacing - a fact which still amazes me. > >My, very limited, knowledge comes mostly from the excellent book "Seeing > >beneath the soil" by Anthony Clark. > > > >But as John has already observed, the parameter that we are measuring has > >only to do with the ground rod effectiveness, and is not a measure of RF > >losses. > >73 > >Hugh M0WYE > > > >----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" > >To: > >Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:53 PM > >Subject: Re: LF: Re: How measuring Ground conductivity ? > > > > > >>What does s stand for as in 10s of meters ? *(Presumably metres)* > >> > >> > >>I thought distance apart made no difference in homogenous soil ? > >> > >>Bryan (Floating in a boat on sea-water ) > >> > >>Quoting Hugh M0WYE : > >> > >>>. > >>> > >>>However I got similar readings to you - around 10 ohms - with moist, > >>>garden > >>>soil. > >>> > >>>I found the most repeatable readings were when one current and one > >>>voltage > >>>probe, 1m apart, were seperated by 10s of meters from the other pair - as > >>>is > >>> > >>>used for archeological ground resistance surveys. > >>> > >>>73 > >>>Hugh M0WYE > >>> > >>> > >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Uwe Wensauer" > >>>To: > >>>Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:31 PM > >>>Subject: LF: How measuring Ground conductivity ? > >>> > >>> > >>>To discuss > >>> > >>>Measure ground conductivity. > >>> > >>> > >>>I placed two stainless- steel rods ( 3mm dia ) whithin a distance of 7 > >>>Meters apart abt 80cm deep into soil > >>> > >>>Powered with 50 Hz. > >>>In series with the electrodes is a 10 Ohm resistor. In order to measuring > >>>current, I measure the voltage drop across resistor. > >>> > >>>Depending on weather I got 8 Ohm / m = 125mS > >>> > >>>Is this measurement setup ( proceeding ) correct ? > >>> > >>>Please correct me. > >>> > >>>Uwe, DK1KQ > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >>-- > >> > >> > >>---------------------------------------------- > >>This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net > > > -- ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:40:00 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ec12V-0000P6-A9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:40:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ec12V-0000Os-4h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:39:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ec11u-0003R9-V0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:39:22 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ec11u-0003R0-9E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:39:22 +0000 Received: from cas-mta3-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.28] helo=mta.casema.nl) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ec1sT-0007Wf-Rf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 14:33:44 +0000 Received: from s9z5i6.casema.nl ([83.85.106.243]) by cas-mta3.mgmt.casema.nl (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.11 (built Jan 28 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IPZ00FUUYH35880@cas-mta3.mgmt.casema.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:53:29 +0100 (CET) Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 13:56:20 +0100 From: Dick Rollema In-reply-to: <000901c5e9d2$c0cd9670$1f03210a@Hugh> X-Sender: dickrollema@casema.nl#mail.casema.nl@127.0.0.1 (Unverified) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <6.1.0.6.2.20051115135604.01e10ae0@127.0.0.1> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0546-1, 15-11-2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean References: <000a01c5e938$ec8c8680$0400a8c0@router> <000501c5e93d$83feadf0$1f03210a@Hugh> <1132001620.4378f95428c87@webmail.ukonline.net> <000901c5e9d2$c0cd9670$1f03210a@Hugh> Subject: Re: LF: Re: How measuring Ground conductivity ? Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Bryan,

The earth resistance is frequency dependent.  Measurement at 50Hz says nothing about the value at 137kHz. For more info  consult ON7YD's web site: http://www.qsl.net/on7yd/136khz.htm.

I measure the earth resistance by inserting an RF bridge between the bottom end of the loading coil and the earth connection.  Then I  tune the aerial/earth system to resonance in the LF band.  The bridge then measures  the real part of the impedance of the system (so a bridge that cannot measure  reactance is sufficient, for instance a simple homemade noise bridge).

From the value so obtained I subtract the loss resistance of the coil. This has been determined by measuring its inductance and  Q.

The remaining value is the earth resistance by a good approximation. Of course  loss and radiation resistance of the aerial itself are also part of the measured resistance. But these contributions are so small as compared to earth and coil resistance that they can be ignored.

I find for my location an earth resistance at 137kHz of about 22 ohms in winter. During summer it is somewhat higher and also when the earth is wet with rain.

73, Dick, PA0SE  



At 11:52 15-11-05, you wrote:
Hello Bryan,
Yes. 10s is twenty or thirty meters.
I designed and built a bit of kit for the purpose of doing some
archeological ground resistance surveys, (although in the end we were able to use professional
equipment from the Kent Archeological Society). I tried a frame with four, 4
inch nails spaced 0.33m apart, in a line, and aerated the the back garden
with it. I found it quite a good random number generator from about 10 ohms
to 60 ohms.

I remade the frame with two nails spaced 1 metre apart, one measuring and
one driven, and using a long cable placed the other two probes well outside
the area being surveyed. This gave a much more consistent reading of about
10 ohms, except near the garden path where the reading was higher. This is
the configuration usually employed by archeologists as it is supposed to
"see" deeper into the soil.

My measuring current was 1mA and the polarity reversed at 66Hz.

You are right that the reading doesn't seem to vary much with probe
spacing - a fact which still amazes me.
My, very limited, knowledge comes mostly from the excellent book "Seeing
beneath the soil" by Anthony Clark.

But as John has already observed, the parameter that we are measuring has
only to do with the ground rod effectiveness, and is not a measure of RF losses.
73
Hugh M0WYE

----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: How measuring Ground conductivity ?


What does s stand for as in 10s of meters ? *(Presumably metres)*


I thought distance apart made no difference in homogenous soil ?

Bryan (Floating in a boat on sea-water )

Quoting Hugh M0WYE <m0wye@thersgb.net>:

.

However I got similar readings to you - around 10 ohms - with moist,
garden
soil.

I found the most repeatable readings were when one current and one
voltage
probe, 1m apart, were seperated by 10s of meters from the other pair - as
is

used for archeological ground resistance surveys.

73
Hugh M0WYE


----- Original Message ----- From: "Uwe Wensauer" <uwe.wensauer@gmx.de>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:31 PM
Subject: LF: How measuring Ground conductivity ?


To discuss

Measure ground conductivity.


I placed two stainless- steel rods ( 3mm dia ) whithin a distance of  7
Meters apart abt 80cm deep into soil

Powered with 50 Hz.
In series with the electrodes is a 10 Ohm resistor. In order to measuring
current, I measure the voltage drop across resistor.

Depending on weather I got 8 Ohm / m = 125mS

Is this measurement setup ( proceeding ) correct ?

Please correct me.

Uwe, DK1KQ





--


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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello Bryan, Yes. 10s is twenty or thirty meters. I designed and built a bit of kit for the purpose of doing some archeological ground resistance surveys, (although in the end we were able to use professional equipment from the Kent Archeological Society). I tried a frame with four, 4 inch nails spaced 0.33m apart, in a line, and aerated the the back garden with it. I found it quite a good random number generator from about 10 ohms to 60 ohms. I remade the frame with two nails spaced 1 metre apart, one measuring and one driven, and using a long cable placed the other two probes well outside the area being surveyed. This gave a much more consistent reading of about 10 ohms, except near the garden path where the reading was higher. This is the configuration usually employed by archeologists as it is supposed to "see" deeper into the soil. My measuring current was 1mA and the polarity reversed at 66Hz. You are right that the reading doesn't seem to vary much with probe spacing - a fact which still amazes me. My, very limited, knowledge comes mostly from the excellent book "Seeing beneath the soil" by Anthony Clark. But as John has already observed, the parameter that we are measuring has only to do with the ground rod effectiveness, and is not a measure of RF losses. 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: "captbrian" To: Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:53 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: How measuring Ground conductivity ? > What does s stand for as in 10s of meters ? *(Presumably metres)* > > > I thought distance apart made no difference in homogenous soil ? > > Bryan (Floating in a boat on sea-water ) > > Quoting Hugh M0WYE : > >> . >> >> However I got similar readings to you - around 10 ohms - with moist, >> garden >> soil. >> >> I found the most repeatable readings were when one current and one >> voltage >> probe, 1m apart, were seperated by 10s of meters from the other pair - as >> is >> >> used for archeological ground resistance surveys. >> >> 73 >> Hugh M0WYE >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Uwe Wensauer" >> To: >> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:31 PM >> Subject: LF: How measuring Ground conductivity ? >> >> >> To discuss >> >> Measure ground conductivity. >> >> >> I placed two stainless- steel rods ( 3mm dia ) whithin a distance of 7 >> Meters apart abt 80cm deep into soil >> >> Powered with 50 Hz. >> In series with the electrodes is a 10 Ohm resistor. In order to measuring >> current, I measure the voltage drop across resistor. >> >> Depending on weather I got 8 Ohm / m = 125mS >> >> Is this measurement setup ( proceeding ) correct ? >> >> Please correct me. >> >> Uwe, DK1KQ >> >> >> >> > > > -- > > > ---------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:01:42 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbyZG-00059P-MC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:01:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbyZG-00058J-BD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:01:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbyXT-0002kb-8n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:59:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbyXN-0002kS-Ts for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:59:41 +0000 Received: from mxs2.siemens.at ([194.138.12.133]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbzNs-0004O5-LA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:54:01 +0000 Received: from vies1kbx.sie.siemens.at ([158.226.129.82]) by mxs2.siemens.at with ESMTP id jAFAvPIT026630 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:57:25 +0100 Received: from nets138a.ww300.siemens.net ([158.226.129.97]) by vies1kbx.sie.siemens.at (8.12.11/8.12.1) with ESMTP id jAFAvNQT029346 for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:57:25 +0100 Received: from btss020a.ww300.siemens.net ([163.242.54.191]) by nets138a.ww300.siemens.net with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:57:23 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7226.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 11:57:22 +0100 Message-ID: <83F3FC3E61CF7C4CAD05A740C54283341E2658@btss020a.ww300.siemens.net> Thread-Topic: EKD300 receiver Thread-Index: AcXp01q4egLvMdPsTlqgATWyCJvjug== From: "Gasparik Richard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2005 10:57:23.0962 (UTC) FILETIME=[5BEDF5A0:01C5E9D3] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: LF: EKD300 receiver X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi LFers... I have my EKD300 receiver for sale. 73 de Rich OM2TW ******** 12 Volt radios are for whimps, real radios can kill you. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:52:27 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ebrrv-0007uo-93 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:52:27 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ebrru-0007uf-JF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:52:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbrrG-0001C1-8g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:51:46 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbrrF-0001Bs-Kp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:51:45 +0000 Received: from bay102-f14.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.24] helo=hotmail.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ebshh-0006wD-C1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 04:45:58 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:51:22 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 03:51:21 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.117.134] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:51:21 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Nov 2005 03:51:22.0322 (UTC) FILETIME=[D8013B20:01C5E997] Subject: LF: wd2xdw 137.451 off 0350z storms eom Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit :-(( From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:31:12 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Eboj7-00055Y-Us for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:31:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Eboj7-00055Q-Pm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:31:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Eboiz-0000Ru-7t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:31:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Eboiy-0000Rl-PU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:31:00 +0000 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbpZN-0004T9-5m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:25:10 +0000 Received: (qmail 64707 invoked from network); 15 Nov 2005 00:30:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.19.97 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 15 Nov 2005 00:30:53 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c5e97b$c7f81260$61138351@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <67398444.20051114165749@t-online.de> <001701c5e936$9c06e310$020aa8c0@Laptop> <4378C41C.90803@freenet.de> <002a01c5e947$e53da760$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> <43790026.9020900@freenet.de> <002301c5e96b$1494dd80$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:51:25 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: Re: LF: WD2XES Slow Howl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Jay the only thought I have is to use a tuned loop and compare the two quadrature positions these should be at least 30dB different in strength but that may not be enough for John when the Moon is full !! I have thought about this "noise thing" before...Wolf is adding white noise presumably.... I had always wondered whether the character of the noise at LF was different from that and that maybe this would lead to a different result. I always consider the noise at LF to be "peaky" or "spikey" rather than the smooth noise. There is probably a way of quantifying this....about 20 years ago I did see some work by a maths specialist who was trying to attack problems like this in the communications field. I seem to remember he invented something like a "peakyness" parameter to specify non-Gaussian noise. Fascinating, but likely to generate throbbing sensations between the ears and an immediate search for the asperin tub !! Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: Sent: 14 November 2005 22:30 Subject: Re: LF: WD2XES Slow Howl Wolf That's good to hear. As Alan pointed out earlier...running WOLF on a tiny antenna and therefore against a quiet noise floor is different than connected to a real antenna. Unfortunately there's no way to make XES weak at my location...unless he turns the wick way down :~) Maybe we can try that over the weekend, John. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: Wolf DL4YHF To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:22 PM Subject: Re: LF: WD2XES Slow Howl Hi John, Jay & others, I checked the performance of the slow WOLF variants, by adding an increasing amount of synthetic noise to the received signal until copy disappeared. Then switched TX+RX to the slower variants, and -voila- copy again. To do this in real-time, I have added the option to add noise to the *received* signal with adjustable level in the WOLF GUI. I don't have any precise results yet. But at least, the slo-mo-WOLF has large ears ;-) 73, Wolf . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:22:10 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EboaP-0004yK-Aq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:22:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EboaO-0004yB-UZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:22:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Eboa7-0000K9-7M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:21:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Eboa6-0000K0-OK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:21:50 +0000 Received: from mx1.magmacom.com ([206.191.0.217]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbpjT-00018V-Qt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 01:35:36 +0000 Received: from mail4.magma.ca (mail4.magma.ca [206.191.0.222]) by mx1.magmacom.com (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jAF0Lk4P008871; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:21:47 -0500 Received: from nocturna-y1zrar.magma.ca (nrtcorback-216-168-120-108.nrtco.net [216.168.120.108]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail4.magma.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jAF0LiSg015625 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:21:46 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.1.20051114190437.01c901c0@magma.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:22:05 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Bill de Carle Cc: lowfer@lwca.org In-Reply-To: <003001c5e969$cac25b20$0500a8c0@charter.net> References: <67398444.20051114165749@t-online.de> <001701c5e936$9c06e310$020aa8c0@Laptop> <4378C41C.90803@freenet.de> <002a01c5e947$e53da760$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> <43790026.9020900@freenet.de> <003001c5e969$cac25b20$0500a8c0@charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: XES WOLF 5 Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit At 05:21 PM 11/14/2005, John wrote: >WD2XES is running WOLF at the 5 bit/sec rate on 137.422 kHz with 50 watts. 2005-11-14 23:56:23 >WOLF -r 8100 -f 799.95 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 t: 48 f: 0.000 a:-0.3 dp:147.0 ci:15 cj:221 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t: 96 f: 0.000 a:-0.2 dp:148.7 ci:15 cj:221 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t: 192 f: 0.000 a:-0.4 dp:150.1 ci:15 cj:221 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t: 384 f: 0.000 pm:334567 jm:519 q: 10.1 10.5 XES 50W WOLF 5 - Looking at the waterfall display, I see a fair amount of QSB on your signal tonight John. Probably means quite a bit of flutter in the freq/phase measurements. Years ago when we were testing COHERENT BPSK on HF we found the optimum rate over many different sets of conditions was MS25 (40 bits per second). Most operators don't type fast enough to overflow the buffer at that rate, and the HF phase flutter is acceptable. At lower rates copy would degrade (more on some nights than others) due to flutter. We are trying to measure the phase during each bit time, so of course we get the best answer when phase stays constant over the bit time. When the frequency changes due to doppler it results in phase changes at the receiver (that were not transmitted), so we get more errors. Same result with mistuning. At MS100 (10 symbols per second), a tuning error of +/- 2.5 Hz produces an error in the measured phase of +/- 90 degrees, which gets us exactly to the halfway point so the receiver cannot decide which phase was transmitted regardless of the SNR. The slower the rate (more msec per bit), the more critical the tuning gets. I don't know what the optimum signaling rate happens to be for 137 Khz at night, but I'd be inclined to guess somewhere around MS50 or 20 symbols per second. We're all looking forward to testing WOLF at the faster speeds. Bill VE2IQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:51:58 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ebo7B-0000Ti-GT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:51:57 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ebo7B-0000TV-9m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:51:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ebo6h-00008h-P6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:51:27 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ebo6h-00008Y-DE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:51:27 +0000 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ebox2-00040I-9p for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:45:36 +0000 Received: (qmail 38629 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 23:50:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@86.142.50.172 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 14 Nov 2005 23:50:17 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:50:22 -0000 Message-ID: <004501c5e976$2dd8e8d0$f500a8c0@Dell5150> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcXpdi1h15jTTdJNTB6I4lfzjtQ7xg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Grabber picture URLs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear all Due to the unreliability of BT Internet's FTP servers I have changed the picture URLs for the grabber. The main page remains the same at http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ and has been updated with the new information. Good luck. Dave G3YXM. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:19:26 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ebnbh-0001ua-L6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:19:26 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ebnbh-0001uS-Gw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:19:25 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ebnbd-0008PZ-0z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:19:21 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ebnbc-0008PQ-KA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:19:20 +0000 Received: from smtpout05-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.221]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Eboky-0000OJ-AS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:33:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 25170 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 23:19:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout05-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.221) with ESMTP; 14 Nov 2005 23:19:08 -0000 Message-ID: <003c01c5e971$d5ca2c20$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <67398444.20051114165749@t-online.de> <001701c5e936$9c06e310$020aa8c0@Laptop> <4378C41C.90803@freenet.de> <002a01c5e947$e53da760$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> <43790026.9020900@freenet.de> <002301c5e96b$1494dd80$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:19:16 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: Re: LF: WD2XES Slow Howl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Jay, >Unfortunately there's no way to make XES weak at my location...unless he turns the wick way down :~) Maybe we can try that over the weekend, John. < A chain saw would reduce my ERP, too! I will probably try some local tests in the evening at the end of the week, but I'm tied up for the next few nights. As Alan described, a small loop connected through a pad to my 10 mw exciter will produce a weak signal in the normal received noise. I find that comparisons are easier to make during the day when the noise levels are steadier. But some tests to Jay's QTH would be very useful. We should be able to do something on the weekend. JA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:17:08 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbnZS-0006gA-Sl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:17:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbnZS-0006fM-AO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:17:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbnZ9-0008Ki-Sj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:16:47 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbnZ9-0008KZ-Dz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:16:47 +0000 Received: from gemini.smart.net ([66.225.112.69]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EboiU-0000MO-2k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 00:30:32 +0000 Received: from HOST (core-balt-5-81.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [209.163.120.81]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA21186 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:16:49 -0500 Message-ID: <000501c5e971$7a3c8510$0100a8c0@HOST> From: "chastant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <67398444.20051114165749@t-online.de> <001701c5e936$9c06e310$020aa8c0@Laptop> <4378C41C.90803@freenet.de> <002a01c5e947$e53da760$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> <43790026.9020900@freenet.de> <003001c5e969$cac25b20$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:16:12 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: XES WOLF 5 Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) here is Wolf5 copy hr de Lloyd W3NF 2005-11-14 22:23:28 >WOLF -r 8000 -f 422 -t 1.0 -d 18 -w 0.0000 t: 48 f: 0.146 a: 0.6 dp:107.7 ci:12 cj:249 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t: 96 f: 0.146 a: 0.6 dp:108.5 ci:12 cj:249 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t: 192 f: 0.146 a: 0.6 dp:104.0 ci:12 cj:249 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t: 384 f: 0.146 pm:340.8 jm:462 q: -2.1 -2.2 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t: 576 f: 0.146 pm: 1546 jm:462 q: 5.3 5.1 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t: 768 f: 0.146 pm: 2110 jm:462 q: 6.6 6.4 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t: 960 f: 0.146 pm: 2349 jm:462 q: 7.9 7.3 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:1152 f: 0.146 pm: 2396 jm:462 q: 7.9 7.4 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:1344 f: 0.146 pm: 2580 jm:462 q: 8.1 8.0 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:1536 f: 0.146 pm: 5705 jm:462 q: 10.8 10.7 XES 50W WOLF 5 - t:1728 f: 0.146 pm: 7946 jm:462 q: 12.8 12.6 XES 50W WOLF 5 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 5:21 PM Subject: LF: XES WOLF 5 Tonight > WD2XES is running WOLF at the 5 bit/sec rate on 137.422 kHz with 50 watts. > Thanks to Lloyd, Bill deCarle and Jay whosuccessfully copied it last > night, > and everyone else who tried. Since both Laurence and Hartmut have well > calibrated setups, I tend to think that the lack of copy was not due to > sampling rate errors. Let's see how the "half speed" version works > tonight. > > For those not keeping track, you will need to download the current version > of the WOLF GUI, and go through the Mode option to set the speed to the 5 > bit/sec rate. Earlier versions of WOLF or the WOLF GUI do not have the > speed > option. > > John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch > WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:23:00 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ebmj2-0006OY-0p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:23:00 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ebmj1-0006OE-Ps for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:22:55 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ebmiy-00080U-1R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:22:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ebmiv-000807-CG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:22:49 +0000 Received: from smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.199]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbnsC-0008IC-OB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:36:33 +0000 Received: (qmail 3587 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 22:21:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.199) with ESMTP; 14 Nov 2005 22:21:34 -0000 Message-ID: <003001c5e969$cac25b20$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@lwca.org References: <67398444.20051114165749@t-online.de> <001701c5e936$9c06e310$020aa8c0@Laptop> <4378C41C.90803@freenet.de> <002a01c5e947$e53da760$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> <43790026.9020900@freenet.de> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:21:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: LF: XES WOLF 5 Tonight Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) WD2XES is running WOLF at the 5 bit/sec rate on 137.422 kHz with 50 watts. Thanks to Lloyd, Bill deCarle and Jay whosuccessfully copied it last night, and everyone else who tried. Since both Laurence and Hartmut have well calibrated setups, I tend to think that the lack of copy was not due to sampling rate errors. Let's see how the "half speed" version works tonight. For those not keeping track, you will need to download the current version of the WOLF GUI, and go through the Mode option to set the speed to the 5 bit/sec rate. Earlier versions of WOLF or the WOLF GUI do not have the speed option. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:22:47 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ebmis-0006Le-6a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:22:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ebmir-0006L2-Sm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:22:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ebmi9-0007zT-5W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:22:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ebmi6-0007zK-Il for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:21:58 +0000 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.202.64]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbnrR-0008Hw-7D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:35:42 +0000 Received: from AIRPORTTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <20051114222101013003j578e>; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:21:06 +0000 Message-ID: <002301c5e96b$1494dd80$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <67398444.20051114165749@t-online.de> <001701c5e936$9c06e310$020aa8c0@Laptop> <4378C41C.90803@freenet.de> <002a01c5e947$e53da760$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> <43790026.9020900@freenet.de> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:30:50 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: Re: LF: WD2XES Slow Howl Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Wolf
 
That's good to hear. As Alan pointed out earlier...running WOLF on a tiny antenna and therefore against a quiet noise floor is different than connected to a real antenna. Unfortunately there's no way to make XES weak at my location...unless he turns the wick way down :~) Maybe we can try that over the weekend, John.
 
Jay  
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: LF: WD2XES Slow Howl

Hi John, Jay & others,

I checked the performance of the slow WOLF variants, by adding an
increasing amount of synthetic noise to the received signal until copy
disappeared. Then switched TX+RX to the slower variants, and -voila-
copy again. To do this in real-time, I have added the option to add
noise to the *received* signal with adjustable level in the WOLF GUI. I
don't have any precise results yet. But at least, the slo-mo-WOLF has
large ears ;-)

73, Wolf .




From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:51:54 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbmEx-000655-Qj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:51:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbmEx-000638-Md for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:51:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbmEV-0007oe-Di for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:51:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbmEU-0007oV-Sd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:51:22 +0000 Received: from bay102-f36.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.46] helo=hotmail.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbnNn-0007we-OM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 23:05:05 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:50:57 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:50:57 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 12:50:57 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2005 21:50:57.0884 (UTC) FILETIME=[7ED5D9C0:01C5E965] Subject: LF: XDW WOLF10 137.451 Khz fm 2300z Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Subject to storms Ill rattle the wolfs cage from around 2300z - it may be intermittent as I may have a listen for a while. Laurence KL1X in 5 Status and grabs http://myweb.cableone.net/flow From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:22:22 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EblmP-0003CV-9x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:22:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EblmO-0003CF-Sj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:22:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Eblm7-0007du-Fa for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:22:03 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Eblm7-0007dl-2s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:22:03 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbmvQ-0007cC-IJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:35:45 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.190] (helo=mx6.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.53-RC2) id 1Eblm5-0008Kh-Df for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:22:01 +0100 Received: from p54868d7b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.141.123] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx6.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.54 #12) id 1Eblm5-0002GA-7V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:22:01 +0100 Message-ID: <43790026.9020900@freenet.de> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 21:22:46 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <67398444.20051114165749@t-online.de> <001701c5e936$9c06e310$020aa8c0@Laptop> <4378C41C.90803@freenet.de> <002a01c5e947$e53da760$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> In-Reply-To: <002a01c5e947$e53da760$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> Subject: Re: LF: WD2XES Slow Howl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi John, Jay & others, I checked the performance of the slow WOLF variants, by adding an increasing amount of synthetic noise to the received signal until copy disappeared. Then switched TX+RX to the slower variants, and -voila- copy again. To do this in real-time, I have added the option to add noise to the *received* signal with adjustable level in the WOLF GUI. I don't have any precise results yet. But at least, the slo-mo-WOLF has large ears ;-) 73, Wolf . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:55:10 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EblM5-0001lp-D1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:55:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EblM5-0001l4-4z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:55:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EblKi-0007Sj-8t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:53:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EblKh-0007Sa-Bb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:53:43 +0000 Received: from apache3-wm.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.54]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbmTy-0007Fo-PY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 22:07:25 +0000 Received: from www by apache3-wm.uk.easynet.net with local (Exim 3.36 #1) id 1EblKe-0005an-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:53:40 +0000 Received: from 68.152.75.124 ([68.152.75.124]) by webmail.ukonline.net (IMP) with HTTP for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:53:40 +0000 Message-ID: <1132001620.4378f95428c87@webmail.ukonline.net> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 20:53:40 +0000 From: captbrian To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01c5e938$ec8c8680$0400a8c0@router> <000501c5e93d$83feadf0$1f03210a@Hugh> In-Reply-To: <000501c5e93d$83feadf0$1f03210a@Hugh> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.2 X-Originating-IP: 68.152.75.124 Subject: Re: LF: Re: How measuring Ground conductivity ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) What does s stand for as in 10s of meters ? *(Presumably metres)* I thought distance apart made no difference in homogenous soil ? Bryan (Floating in a boat on sea-water ) Quoting Hugh M0WYE : > . > > However I got similar readings to you - around 10 ohms - with moist, garden > soil. > > I found the most repeatable readings were when one current and one voltage > probe, 1m apart, were seperated by 10s of meters from the other pair - as is > > used for archeological ground resistance surveys. > > 73 > Hugh M0WYE > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Uwe Wensauer" > To: > Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:31 PM > Subject: LF: How measuring Ground conductivity ? > > > To discuss > > Measure ground conductivity. > > > I placed two stainless- steel rods ( 3mm dia ) whithin a distance of 7 > Meters apart abt 80cm deep into soil > > Powered with 50 Hz. > In series with the electrodes is a 10 Ohm resistor. In order to measuring > current, I measure the voltage drop across resistor. > > Depending on weather I got 8 Ohm / m = 125mS > > Is this measurement setup ( proceeding ) correct ? > > Please correct me. > > Uwe, DK1KQ > > > > -- ---------------------------------------------- This mail sent through http://www.ukonline.net From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:11:15 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbinS-0006KM-VW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:11:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbinS-0006KC-Qs for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:11:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbimF-0006vp-3C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:09:59 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbimD-0006vg-LU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:09:57 +0000 Received: from [63.240.77.82] (helo=sccrmhc12.comcast.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbjvS-0005IB-Lf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 19:23:35 +0000 Received: from AIRPORTTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc12) with SMTP id <200511141809120120023nove>; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:09:12 +0000 Message-ID: <002a01c5e947$e53da760$6901a8c0@AIRPORTTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <67398444.20051114165749@t-online.de> <001701c5e936$9c06e310$020aa8c0@Laptop> <4378C41C.90803@freenet.de> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:18:54 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: Re: LF: Re: TA Nov, 13/14th Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Wolf, John & other WOLFmen
 
Another 2 cents...
 
Did not notice any improvement receiving XES running 2.5 vs 10. Since we're so close I have taken to using a "calibrated" clip lead for the antenna to reduce his signal to puny weak levels.
 
My initial run showed no improvement so I immediately began looking for operator errors...but didn't find any.
 
John...looking forward to some high speed tests! 
 
Jay, W1VD 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 12:06 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Re: TA Nov, 13/14th

Greetings all,

John wrote:

>
> XES did run in the WOLF 2.5 speed all night. I will use the 5 b/s rate
> tonight with 50 watts, starting around 2330 UTC. Given WOLF's error
> correction with copy being built up over a period of time, the slower
> data rate may not be an advantage, as it is with uncorrected PSK.
>
This was also my impression when thinking about the lowest useful
signalling rate. 2.5 b/s may give the WOLF decoder too few bits over a
single lift in propagation to recognize the sync pattern; furthermore:
the lower the bitrate, the larger the requirements for frequency
stability (which includes the 'calibration' of the soundcard sampling
rate). I didn't check if the tolerance range isn't also divided by four
when the signalling rate is divided by four.
John - please let me know any results of your local tests. Maybe there
are one or two quirks in my modifications of Stewart's original
algorithm, especially concerning the scaling of the 'frequency
tolerance' parameter.

73,  Wolf  DL4YHF .

P.S: Off-frequency posting ... I will be watching 3597.000 kHz tonight
in WOLF 5 mode, starting around 19:00 UT .


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:10:20 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbhqU-0000Zx-R0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:10:20 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbhqU-0000Zn-Ll for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:10:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbhqJ-0006f1-2i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:10:07 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbhqI-0006es-ID for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:10:06 +0000 Received: from ptb-relay03.plus.net ([212.159.14.214]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbigZ-0007YA-Lb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:04:08 +0000 Received: from [212.159.90.113] (helo=Hugh) by ptb-relay03.plus.net with smtp (Exim) id 1Ebhn8-0000b0-7H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:06:50 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c5e93d$83feadf0$1f03210a@Hugh> From: "Hugh M0WYE" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01c5e938$ec8c8680$0400a8c0@router> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:04:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: How measuring Ground conductivity ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Uwe, It is usually recommended to avoid harmonics of the power line frequency. This avoids mains earth-return currents affecting the reading. Also a 4 probe method, with two outer probes delivering current, and inner ones measuring voltage in the so called "Wenner" configuration is usually used. However I got similar readings to you - around 10 ohms - with moist, garden soil. I found the most repeatable readings were when one current and one voltage probe, 1m apart, were seperated by 10s of meters from the other pair - as is used for archeological ground resistance surveys. 73 Hugh M0WYE ----- Original Message ----- From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:31 PM Subject: LF: How measuring Ground conductivity ? To discuss Measure ground conductivity. I placed two stainless- steel rods ( 3mm dia ) whithin a distance of 7 Meters apart abt 80cm deep into soil Powered with 50 Hz. In series with the electrodes is a 10 Ohm resistor. In order to measuring current, I measure the voltage drop across resistor. Depending on weather I got 8 Ohm / m = 125mS Is this measurement setup ( proceeding ) correct ? Please correct me. Uwe, DK1KQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:07:03 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbhnL-0004iO-1R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:07:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbhnK-0004i0-QE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:07:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ebhmq-0006a5-NW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:06:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ebhmq-0006Zw-6f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:06:32 +0000 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ebiw2-0004hL-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:20:09 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.191] (helo=mx7.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.53-RC2) id 1Ebhmm-0005xu-6E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:06:28 +0100 Received: from p54868d7b.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.141.123] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx7.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.54 #12) id 1Ebhml-0004CQ-Qp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 18:06:28 +0100 Message-ID: <4378C41C.90803@freenet.de> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:06:36 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <67398444.20051114165749@t-online.de> <001701c5e936$9c06e310$020aa8c0@Laptop> In-Reply-To: <001701c5e936$9c06e310$020aa8c0@Laptop> Subject: Re: LF: Re: TA Nov, 13/14th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Greetings all, John wrote: > > XES did run in the WOLF 2.5 speed all night. I will use the 5 b/s rate > tonight with 50 watts, starting around 2330 UTC. Given WOLF's error > correction with copy being built up over a period of time, the slower > data rate may not be an advantage, as it is with uncorrected PSK. > This was also my impression when thinking about the lowest useful signalling rate. 2.5 b/s may give the WOLF decoder too few bits over a single lift in propagation to recognize the sync pattern; furthermore: the lower the bitrate, the larger the requirements for frequency stability (which includes the 'calibration' of the soundcard sampling rate). I didn't check if the tolerance range isn't also divided by four when the signalling rate is divided by four. John - please let me know any results of your local tests. Maybe there are one or two quirks in my modifications of Stewart's original algorithm, especially concerning the scaling of the 'frequency tolerance' parameter. 73, Wolf DL4YHF . P.S: Off-frequency posting ... I will be watching 3597.000 kHz tonight in WOLF 5 mode, starting around 19:00 UT . 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Hello Uwe,
 
This procedure basically measures ground rod effectiveness more than the soil conductivity, although fairly good conductivity can be inferred from the result.
 
If you are trying to measure earth conductivity in mS/m for RF propagation purposes, however, the technique is not very helpful.  In fact, there is no easy way to measure this property directly at RF.  From a practical engineering standpoint, we generally do it by measuring the attenuation of a groundwave radio signal traversing a given distance of the soil in question.
 
John
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:29:45 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbhDE-0006lt-2z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:29:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbhDD-0006lP-Su for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:29:43 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbhCv-0006Jp-Oz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:29:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbhCv-0006Jg-Cw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:29:25 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ebi3B-00073t-SW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:23:27 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 Nov 2005 16:29:18 -0000 Received: from p54907468.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO router) [84.144.116.104] by mail.gmx.net (mp018) with SMTP; 14 Nov 2005 17:29:18 +0100 X-Authenticated: #9373712 Message-ID: <000a01c5e938$ec8c8680$0400a8c0@router> From: "Uwe Wensauer" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:31:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: LF: How measuring Ground conductivity ? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
To discuss
 
Measure ground conductivity.
 
 
I placed two stainless- steel rods ( 3mm dia ) whithin a distance of  7 Meters apart abt 80cm deep into soil
 
Powered with 50 Hz.
In series with the electrodes is a 10 Ohm resistor. In order to measuring current, I measure the voltage drop across resistor.
 
Depending on weather I got 8 Ohm / m = 125mS
 
Is this measurement setup ( proceeding ) correct ?
 
Please correct me.
 
Uwe, DK1KQ
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:15:59 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ebgzu-0004HK-89 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:15:59 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ebgzu-0004Fk-2D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:15:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ebgza-0006CG-9a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:15:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbgzZ-0006C7-8m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:15:37 +0000 Received: from smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.199]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ebi8l-00048b-AL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 17:29:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 29480 invoked from network); 14 Nov 2005 16:15:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.178.67.130) by smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.199) with ESMTP; 14 Nov 2005 16:15:22 -0000 Message-ID: <001701c5e936$9c06e310$020aa8c0@Laptop> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <67398444.20051114165749@t-online.de> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:15:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: TA Nov, 13/14th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hartmut, XES did run in the WOLF 2.5 speed all night. I will use the 5 b/s rate tonight with 50 watts, starting around 2330 UTC. Given WOLF's error correction with copy being built up over a period of time, the slower data rate may not be an advantage, as it is with uncorrected PSK. I will try some controlled local tests next weekend, but in the interim, I will be very interested in your copy. John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:00:21 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ebgkj-0000D7-Nx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:00:21 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ebgkj-0000Cs-KQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:00:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ebgjh-00065A-4b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:59:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ebgjg-000651-L1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 15:59:12 +0000 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbhZv-0006cW-Jx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:53:13 +0000 Received: from fwd32.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Ebgie-0004UK-02; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:58:08 +0100 Received: from HW1 (Z6h2nQZHoeaaianroPUZ-Chbld09IMzo4S0wBt+wT8aPmel852MLgx@[84.133.69.223]) by fwd32.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EbgiP-1IjEDA0; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:57:53 +0100 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:57:49 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <67398444.20051114165749@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: Z6h2nQZHoeaaianroPUZ-Chbld09IMzo4S0wBt+wT8aPmel852MLgx X-TOI-MSGID: 6db55616-a012-4e0e-9441-118c3c2063ca Subject: LF: TA Nov, 13/14th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) After some nights with poor TA reception, improved condition last night. Strong signal from VO1NA the whole night and about 90 minutes good copy of WD2XKO. Surprisingly nil of the 2.5 WOLF transmission from WD2XES. The night before I had no copy of the WOLF transmission also but the WOLF-GUI locked very often on the right frequency. Not so last night. Was the 2.5WOLF to slow? Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:59:49 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbWRY-0003Us-HU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:59:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbWRY-0003UU-3k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:59:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbWQy-0003yc-LT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:59:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbWQx-0003yT-Kv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:59:11 +0000 Received: from omc1-s12.bay6.hotmail.com ([65.54.248.214]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbXH2-0007SZ-PE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:53:02 +0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([65.54.172.119]) by omc1-s12.bay6.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.211); Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:59:03 -0800 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:59:02 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 207.224.65.75 by BAY5-DAV15.phx.gbl with DAV; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:59:02 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [207.224.65.75] X-Originating-Email: [we0h1@msn.com] X-Sender: we0h1@msn.com From: "MIKE REID" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001901c5e0b8$9fac4a40$473c7ad5@w4o8m9> <002a01c5e82e$8471d740$0301010a@mcalevey> <00bb01c5e86f$7d451360$0301010a@mcalevey> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:59:02 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: MSN 9 X-MimeOLE: Produced By MSN MimeOLE V9.10.0011.1703 Seal-Send-Time: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:59:02 -0600 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2005 04:59:02.0918 (UTC) FILETIME=[21E54260:01C5E8D8] Subject: Re: LF: 137.7777 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Joe,
 
Do you need some more firewood? How wide do you have it clear cut to the ground for the vertical now? Any tree eats up the low freq signal and even more so when the air temp is near or above 32f or 0c.
 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI
----- Original Message -----
From: Joe Craig
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: LF: 137.7777

Hi Mike,

Congrats to you as well!   I'm still working on improving my
ERP.  Unfortunately, getting bits and pieces that can't be
found in the junkbox is holding me back. I will be placing
a mail oder soon.  In the mean time I'm still running dot 120
on 137.777 kHz and hoping one day you might copy it.

73
Joe


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:15:48 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbS0g-00070L-Oi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:15:48 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbS0g-0006zZ-LE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:15:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbS09-0002xL-FY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:15:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbS09-0002xC-1N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:15:13 +0000 Received: from gemini.smart.net ([66.225.112.69]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbSq9-0004XS-Ux for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 01:08:59 +0000 Received: from HOST (core-balt-5-85.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [209.163.120.85]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA05734 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:13:13 -0500 Message-ID: <000f01c5e8b0$322cc490$0100a8c0@HOST> From: "chastant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:12:35 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: Wolfs cleared its throat... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Here is bothe XES(2.5) and XDW (10)tonite de Lloyd W3NF 2005-11-13 23:53:43 >WOLF -r 8000 -f 422 -t 1.0 -d 18 -w 0.0000 t: 96 f: 0.149 a: 0.5 dp:103.5 ci:11 cj:149 WD2XES WOLF 2.5 - t: 192 f: 0.149 a: 0.6 dp:102.5 ci:11 cj:149 WD2XES WOLF 2.5 - t: 384 f: 0.149 a: 0.6 dp: 97.5 ci:11 cj:149 WD2XES WOLF 2.5 - 2005-11-13 23:58:47 >WOLF -r 8000 -f 451 -t 1.0 -d 18 -w 0.0000 t: 24 f: 0.150 a: 0.2 dp: 91.2 ci: 9 cj:149 8X66UOUYNAK.B80 ? t: 48 f: 0.151 a: 0.1 dp: 89.5 ci:11 cj:335 WD2XDW WOLF 10 - t: 96 f: 0.151 a: 0.1 dp: 89.3 ci:10 cj:335 WD2XDW WOLF 10 - t: 192 f: 0.156 pm:115.6 jm:290 q: 3.7 4.1 WD2XDW WOLF 10 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence KL1X" To: ; Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: LF: Wolfs cleared its throat... > Wd2XDW back on 137.451 WOLF from 2130z 13th Nov 1Kw > > Laurence KL1X in 5 em26aq > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:07:13 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbQwL-0005IE-Cz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:07:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbQwL-0005Hz-59 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:07:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbQvh-0002do-4D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:06:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbQvg-0002df-Nl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:06:32 +0000 Received: from mx2-old.magma.ca ([206.191.0.250] helo=mx2.magma.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbS4X-000391-TK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 00:19:47 +0000 Received: from mail1.magma.ca (mail1.magma.ca [206.191.0.252]) by mx2.magma.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jADN6Tev001831 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:06:30 -0500 Received: from nocturna-y1zrar.magma.ca (nrtcorback-216-168-120-177.nrtco.net [216.168.120.177]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail1.magma.ca (8.13.0/8.13.0) with ESMTP id jADN6QjM011417 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:06:28 -0500 Message-Id: <6.2.5.6.1.20051113180457.01c24720@magma.ca> X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.5.6 Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:06:44 -0500 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Bill de Carle In-Reply-To: <006b01c5e89c$1ed142e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> References: <43779B9D.1030409@freenet.de> <003d01c5e895$3036dc40$0500a8c0@charter.net> <4377AC83.7060507@freenet.de> <006b01c5e89c$1ed142e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: WD2XES Slow Howl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Seems to be working - your sig is audible - just heard your CW ident at regular speed Good condx tonite Bill VE2IQ At 04:49 PM 11/13/2005, John wrote: >WD2XES is running the 2.5 bit/second version of WOLF on 137.422 kHz with 50 >watts if anyone wants to give it a try. Decodes OK here, but that's no >miracle. The usual line timings are multiplied by four, so wait 96 seconds >for the first line decode! A quick check with Argo shows most of the energy >in a 4 Hz BW, with pretty much the entire visible signal in a 20 Hz BW. 2005-11-13 23:02:19 >WOLF -r 8100 -f 799.95 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 t: 96 f:-0.000 a: 0.5 dp:168.2 ci: 2 cj:109 WD2XES WOLF 2.5 - From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:39:43 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbQVi-0000Ez-FH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:39:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbQVi-0000Eq-9a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:39:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbQVQ-0002TN-4E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:39:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbQVP-0002TE-PU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:39:23 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240] helo=priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbRLP-0003Xd-1n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:33:08 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051113223804.LVQQ24670.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 15:38:04 -0700 Message-ID: <004901c5e8a3$196cc840$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43779B9D.1030409@freenet.de> <003d01c5e895$3036dc40$0500a8c0@charter.net> <4377AC83.7060507@freenet.de> <006b01c5e89c$1ed142e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <4377BC77.7090000@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:39:25 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: LF: WD2XES Slow Howl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Why not... Papa Wolf Mama Wolf & Baby Wolf ? Really I'm kidding... Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wolf DL4YHF" To: Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 2:21 PM Subject: Re: LF: WD2XES Slow Howl > Hi John, > > >I suggest the following shorthand for these various speeds: > >WOLF10 for the "classic" speed. > >WOLF 2.5 and WOLF5 for the slow speeds. > >WOLF20 and WOLF40 for the fast speeds > > > > > > Agreed - guess Stewart would agree to this too - so I already modified > the main menu. Sounds better than "Half speed WOLF" etc. > > Good night all, > 73 Wolf DL4YHF . > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:22:43 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbQFH-00014J-14 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:22:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbQFG-000146-Qi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:22:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbQFD-0002L0-2a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:22:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbQFC-0002Kr-NF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:22:38 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbR5B-0003JO-Pf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:16:22 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADMJHn7031330 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:19:17 -0500 Received: from server (dial135-ripley2.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.149.135]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id jADMJl5Q011198 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:19:48 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00e001c5e8a0$6256e340$afbbfea9@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:19:54 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Re: Wolfs cleared its throat... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence KL1X" To: ; Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: LF: Wolfs cleared its throat... > Wd2XDW back on 137.451 WOLF from 2130z 13th Nov 1Kw > > Laurence KL1X in 5 em26aq > Success!! Here's my first WOLF copy after setting up as per your tips: 2005-11-13 22:04:45 >WOLF -r 8000 -f 451 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 t: 24 f:-0.681 a:-0.8 dp: 98.9 ci: 8 cj:126 YQNRK7MMSNSRB8Y ? t: 48 f: 0.576 a:-1.3 dp: 98.6 ci: 3 cj:335 OD2EBME212 G*PR ? t: 96 f:-0.829 a: 0.5 dp: 97.9 ci:15 cj: 40 25./A/WBNUW/PG3 ? t: 192 f: 0.498 pm: 1270 jm:354 q: -1.2 0.2 WD2XDW WOLF 10 - t: 288 f: 0.498 pm: 3093 jm:354 q: 3.1 3.1 WD2XDW WOLF 10 - Many thanks!! 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:21:03 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbQDd-0002Bs-Jj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:21:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbQDd-00028X-Gc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:21:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbQDT-0002GU-5u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:20:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbQDS-0002GL-OD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:20:50 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbRMJ-0002jP-67 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:34:04 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.190] (helo=mx6.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.53-RC2) id 1EbQDR-0004PQ-4L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:20:49 +0100 Received: from p5486b00c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.176.12] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx6.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.54 #12) id 1EbQDQ-0004Ug-Tp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:20:49 +0100 Message-ID: <4377BC77.7090000@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:21:43 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43779B9D.1030409@freenet.de> <003d01c5e895$3036dc40$0500a8c0@charter.net> <4377AC83.7060507@freenet.de> <006b01c5e89c$1ed142e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <006b01c5e89c$1ed142e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> Subject: Re: LF: WD2XES Slow Howl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi John, >I suggest the following shorthand for these various speeds: >WOLF10 for the "classic" speed. >WOLF 2.5 and WOLF5 for the slow speeds. >WOLF20 and WOLF40 for the fast speeds > > Agreed - guess Stewart would agree to this too - so I already modified the main menu. Sounds better than "Half speed WOLF" etc. Good night all, 73 Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:15:47 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbQ8Y-000568-Mh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:15:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbQ8Y-00055u-Iq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:15:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbQ8L-0002BE-C9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:15:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbQ8K-0002B5-Sl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:15:32 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbQyJ-0003EF-PN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:09:17 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jADMEFJK028150 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:14:16 -0500 Received: from server (dial135-ripley2.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.149.135]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id jADMEk5Q007997 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:14:46 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00cf01c5e89f$af18a840$afbbfea9@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:14:04 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Re: Wolfs cleared its throat... Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040200000507060801080301" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040200000507060801080301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence KL1X" To: ; Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 9:47 PM Subject: LF: Wolfs cleared its throat... > Wd2XDW back on 137.451 WOLF from 2130z 13th Nov 1Kw > > Laurence KL1X in 5 em26aq > Hello again Laurence, Success thanks to you...here's my copy of XDW! 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL Solar and wind powered EN93dr --------------040200000507060801080301 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; name="FirstWOLF.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="FirstWOLF.txt" 2005-11-13 22:04:45 >WOLF -r 8000 -f 451 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 t: 24 f:-0.681 a:-0.8 dp: 98.9 ci: 8 cj:126 YQNRK7MMSNSRB8Y ? t: 48 f: 0.576 a:-1.3 dp: 98.6 ci: 3 cj:335 OD2EBME212 G*PR ? t: 96 f:-0.829 a: 0.5 dp: 97.9 ci:15 cj: 40 25./A/WBNUW/PG3 ? t: 192 f: 0.498 pm: 1270 jm:354 q: -1.2 0.2 WD2XDW WOLF 10 - t: 288 f: 0.498 pm: 3093 jm:354 q: 3.1 3.1 WD2XDW WOLF 10 - --------------040200000507060801080301-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:02:40 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbPvq-0005hD-E7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:02:40 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbPvp-0005h5-U7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:02:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbPve-000249-M8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:02:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbPve-000240-Ak for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:02:26 +0000 Received: from bay102-f6.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.16] helo=hotmail.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbQlb-00034l-4S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:56:10 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:02:18 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:02:18 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.117.134] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:02:18 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2005 22:02:18.0925 (UTC) FILETIME=[EA5AB5D0:01C5E89D] Subject: LF: RE: [LW] Wolfs cleared its throat... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit err WOLF 10... ;-) >From: "Laurence KL1X" >Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org >Subject: [LW] Wolfs cleared its throat... >Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:47:39 -0900 > >Wd2XDW back on 137.451 WOLF from 2130z 13th Nov 1Kw > >Laurence KL1X in 5 em26aq > > > > >________________________________________ >Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! >Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:50:39 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbPkE-00011s-Og for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:50:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbPkE-00011j-LJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:50:38 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbPk9-0001wH-IG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:50:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbPk8-0001w8-Ms for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:50:32 +0000 Received: from smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.194]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbQa5-0002wu-SG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:44:16 +0000 Received: (qmail 18387 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2005 21:49:20 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.194) with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2005 21:49:20 -0000 Message-ID: <006b01c5e89c$1ed142e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@lwca.org References: <43779B9D.1030409@freenet.de> <003d01c5e895$3036dc40$0500a8c0@charter.net> <4377AC83.7060507@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:49:23 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: LF: WD2XES Slow Howl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) WD2XES is running the 2.5 bit/second version of WOLF on 137.422 kHz with 50 watts if anyone wants to give it a try. Decodes OK here, but that's no miracle. The usual line timings are multiplied by four, so wait 96 seconds for the first line decode! A quick check with Argo shows most of the energy in a 4 Hz BW, with pretty much the entire visible signal in a 20 Hz BW. I suggest the following shorthand for these various speeds: WOLF10 for the "classic" speed. WOLF 2.5 and WOLF5 for the slow speeds. WOLF20 and WOLF40 for the fast speeds. Reports are welcome! John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:48:15 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbPhv-00082W-J4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:48:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbPhv-00082P-ED for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:48:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbPhP-0001ri-Sh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:47:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbPhP-0001rZ-1m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:47:43 +0000 Received: from bay102-f23.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.33] helo=hotmail.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbQXN-0002tx-EN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:41:26 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:47:39 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:47:39 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.116.117.134] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 12:47:39 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 Nov 2005 21:47:39.0882 (UTC) FILETIME=[DE6764A0:01C5E89B] Subject: LF: Wolfs cleared its throat... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Wd2XDW back on 137.451 WOLF from 2130z 13th Nov 1Kw Laurence KL1X in 5 em26aq From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:28:18 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbPOb-00043c-Uc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:28:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbPOb-00043W-QL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:28:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbPOP-0001ku-Oy for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:28:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbPOP-0001kl-A7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:28:05 +0000 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbQXE-0002GB-Ha for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:41:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 58441 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2005 21:27:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.108.13 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2005 21:27:57 -0000 Message-ID: <006c01c5e899$1561d2e0$0d6c7ad5@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43779B9D.1030409@freenet.de> <003d01c5e895$3036dc40$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:27:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: LF: Re: Re: WOLF now howling fast and slow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Ah its all relative John, does your paint dry faster when it is not being watched....could this be a feature of curved ARGO-space ?? Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: 13 November 2005 20:59 Subject: LF: Re: WOLF now howling fast and slow > Wolf, > > > WOLF now optionally runs faster (at 5 or even 2.5 symbols/seconds, > > besides the default 10), > > and also faster (with 20 or 40 symbols/second). > > Should that first "faster" actually be "slower?" > > John A. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:14:32 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbPBH-0006SG-Lf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:14:32 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbPBH-0006S3-HL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:14:31 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbPB5-0001e8-3f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:14:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbPB4-0001dz-ET for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:14:18 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbQJt-00027Z-FM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:27:30 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.136] (helo=mx3.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.53-RC2) id 1EbPA4-00047G-Lb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:13:16 +0100 Received: from p5486b00c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.176.12] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx3.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.54 #12) id 1EbPA4-0005D0-F5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:13:16 +0100 Message-ID: <4377AC83.7060507@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:13:39 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43779B9D.1030409@freenet.de> <003d01c5e895$3036dc40$0500a8c0@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <003d01c5e895$3036dc40$0500a8c0@charter.net> Subject: Re: LF: Re: WOLF now howling fast and slow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) John Andrews schrieb: >Wolf, > > > >>WOLF now optionally runs faster (at 5 or even 2.5 symbols/seconds, >>besides the default 10), >>and also faster (with 20 or 40 symbols/second). >> >> > >Should that first "faster" actually be "slower?" > >John A. > > > Hi John, Yes, of course 5 or 2.5 symbols is *slower* than the original WOLF implementation. The goal was to squeeze a few dBs less required SNR out of it. Whether this helps on a really weak signal has still to be proven - because WOLF can already integrate over a larger number of blocks. If it runs slower, it also has less previously accumulated data bits from previous blocks. 73, Wolf DL4YHF . P.S. Ko- no copy on "half speed WOLF" on 3597 kHz yet. The RTTY contesters are a bit too strong still. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:00:12 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbOxQ-0006gS-BQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:00:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbOxQ-0006gL-3u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:00:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbOx9-0001XE-P6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:59:55 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbOx9-0001X5-CV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:59:55 +0000 Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.74]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbQ5y-0001y8-4f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 22:13:07 +0000 Received: (qmail 15659 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2005 20:59:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 13 Nov 2005 20:59:42 -0000 Message-ID: <003d01c5e895$3036dc40$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <43779B9D.1030409@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:59:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: LF: Re: WOLF now howling fast and slow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Wolf, > WOLF now optionally runs faster (at 5 or even 2.5 symbols/seconds, > besides the default 10), > and also faster (with 20 or 40 symbols/second). Should that first "faster" actually be "slower?" John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:30 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbOcP-00054D-9s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbOcP-00053u-51 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:29 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbOc8-0001MT-3M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:12 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbOc7-0001MK-JJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:38:11 +0000 Received: from mx1.mun.ca ([134.153.232.16] helo=cupids.ucs.mun.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbPkv-0001mI-NC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:51:22 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by cupids.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jADKc2e8020334; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:08:02 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id jADKc251001130; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:08:02 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id jADKc2k5004954; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:08:02 -0330 (NST) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:08:01 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: McAlevey cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <00bb01c5e86f$7d451360$0301010a@mcalevey> Message-ID: References: <001901c5e0b8$9fac4a40$473c7ad5@w4o8m9> <002a01c5e82e$8471d740$0301010a@mcalevey> <00bb01c5e86f$7d451360$0301010a@mcalevey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: 137.7777 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Mike, Congrats to you as well! I'm still working on improving my ERP. Unfortunately, getting bits and pieces that can't be found in the junkbox is holding me back. I will be placing a mail oder soon. In the mean time I'm still running dot 120 on 137.777 kHz and hoping one day you might copy it. 73 Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:34:36 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbOYa-0007Wg-QZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:34:36 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbOYa-0007WK-Bt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:34:32 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbOY9-0001Hg-2r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:34:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbOY8-0001HX-CS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:34:04 +0000 Received: from cupids.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.16]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbPgw-0001j9-Cs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:47:15 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by cupids.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jADKXse8019222 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:03:54 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id jADKXs51014318 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:03:54 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id jADKXrXd006882; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:03:53 -0330 (NST) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:03:53 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: RSGB LF In-Reply-To: <437784B4.3070008@att.net> Message-ID: References: <437784B4.3070008@att.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: XKO seen in New Zealand Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Congtats, Dex! Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:01:51 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbO2w-00041H-UG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:01:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbO2w-000412-Qe for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:01:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbO2b-00019o-0F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:01:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbO2a-00019f-Jk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:01:28 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbOsW-0001bp-GU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:55:10 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.148] (helo=mx5.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.53-RC2) id 1EbO1V-00018k-Kc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:00:21 +0100 Received: from p5486b00c.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.176.12] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx5.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.54 #12) id 1EbO1V-0002JC-81 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:00:21 +0100 Message-ID: <43779B9D.1030409@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:01:33 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSGB LF Group Subject: LF: WOLF now howling fast and slow Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Greetings all, Thanks to Ko NL9222, I was able to test a new version of the WOLF GUI (user interface) today on LF. It can be downloaded from : http://people.freenet.de/dl4yhf/wolf/index.html What's new in addition to Stewart KK7KA's original implementation ? WOLF now optionally runs faster (at 5 or even 2.5 symbols/seconds, besides the default 10), and also faster (with 20 or 40 symbols/second). We tested the new speeds on 137.5 kHz this afternoon, and it seemed to work. However this was not really a "very weak signal test". Any feedback is welcome. Next on my own To-Do-list is an FFT-based pre-filter, which could optionally be used to cancel Loran-type. Maybe later this year as the LF season is just beginning. Best regards, Wolf[gang] DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:35:31 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbNdT-0007Za-0a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:35:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbNdS-0007ZI-TG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:35:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbNbr-00011W-NT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:33:51 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbNbq-00011N-U0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:33:50 +0000 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbOkd-00019h-Nf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 20:47:00 +0000 Received: from p1i5f0 (gi81.imagenisp.com [204.244.17.86]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id C7CF3B7E56 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:30:36 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <001501c5e888$f656b100$5611f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001801c59b35$9aac9220$97d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <42F633B2.5090102@genesiswireless.us> <42F63C03.8000108@att.net> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:32:18 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: New Zealand Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Congrats Dexter and well done. That big antenna is certainly working well. Interestingly, the west coast ndb guys all reported very poor condx to the south Pacific this morning. Everything must have shifted south! On the other hand, I'm not convinced there is a great correlation between prop on the ndb band and 2200m prop to begin with. Nice job!
 
Steve / VE7SL
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:25:23 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbMXa-0000AV-MB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:25:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbMXa-0000AJ-HX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:25:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbMWt-0000pl-Vl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:24:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbMWt-0000pc-KH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:24:39 +0000 Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbNfd-0000U7-5T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 19:37:48 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.126] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with ESMTP id <2005111318234711300sjnbke>; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 18:23:53 +0000 Message-ID: <437784B4.3070008@att.net> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:23:48 -0500 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: LowFer LWCA , RSGB LF Subject: LF: XKO seen in New Zealand Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Mike, ZL4OL, copied enough of XKO for positive identification at 0930 UTC last night. The full WD2XKO was being sent. More info on the XKO reception reports page: http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xko_reception_reports.htm Dex, W4DEX / WD2XKO http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xko.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:34:49 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbKoZ-00041t-VK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:34:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbKoZ-00041f-Kb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:34:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbKnq-0000ah-Pk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:34:02 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbKnq-0000aY-Fb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 16:34:02 +0000 Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.146]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbLdj-0007YH-L2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 17:27:41 +0000 Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051113163009.PCBO26057.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:30:09 +1300 Received: from mcalevey ([210.86.68.166]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20051113163009.ELOU1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:30:09 +1300 Message-ID: <00bb01c5e86f$7d451360$0301010a@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001901c5e0b8$9fac4a40$473c7ad5@w4o8m9> <002a01c5e82e$8471d740$0301010a@mcalevey> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 05:29:58 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Subject: Re: LF: 137.7777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello Joe, yes, it was XKO, just up the band from you. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:56:08 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbIL2-0007t9-7S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:56:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbIL2-0007sx-4S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:56:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbIKm-0000H8-3o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:55:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbIKl-0000Gz-PB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:55:51 +0000 Received: from gander.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbJAc-0005Po-KW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:49:27 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by gander.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jADDthhG014389 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:25:43 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id jADDth51022243 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:25:43 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id jADDthN2029472; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:25:43 -0330 (NST) Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:25:42 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <002a01c5e82e$8471d740$0301010a@mcalevey> Message-ID: References: <001901c5e0b8$9fac4a40$473c7ad5@w4o8m9> <002a01c5e82e$8471d740$0301010a@mcalevey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: 137.7777 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Mike, I got quite excited by your message until I started counting 7's and there was one too many for it to be me! 73 Joe On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, McAlevey wrote: > Hello, > > does anyone know of a QRSS signal on about 137.7777kHz? I was watching a > likely signal build up but it disappeared at 0837. > > Mike ZL4OL > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:41:57 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbI7I-0005xh-IL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:41:56 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbI7I-0005xM-BK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:41:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbI6M-0000AY-Iw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:40:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbI6L-0000AP-Ha for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:40:57 +0000 Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.139]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbJF0-0005uc-VM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 14:54:00 +0000 Received: (qmail 91392 invoked from network); 13 Nov 2005 13:39:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.158.134.142 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Nov 2005 13:39:47 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 13:40:24 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000e01c5e83b$5a417180$0a00000a@IBMF7542B482FC> Subject: LF: DL4EAU... Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080909080604040709030708" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080909080604040709030708 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 
Hi, Tom,
 
Good signal here today. By the way, you are very close to a Rugby Loran line. (See attached screenshot).
 
73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM
 
 
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"Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <13453172.1131876136617.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> <005a01c5e83a$0d63aaf0$0301010a@mcalevey> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:15:35 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: Re: EU/ZL Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit 
Laurie,
 
I'll have a listen too.
 
73, Bob ZL2CA
----- Original Message -----
From: McAlevey
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 11:07 PM
Subject: LF: Re: EU/ZL

Hello Laurie,

I will have a look for your signal. Sorry for the bounced email. My system
is doing odd things just now. Conditions could be good. I am pretty sure I
copied XKO tonight.

Mike ZL4OL

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:07:54 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbEm9-0006Pj-Dt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:07:54 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbEm9-0006PF-66 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:07:53 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbElz-0008By-D0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:07:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbElz-0008Bp-0w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:07:43 +0000 Received: from mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.145]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbFuZ-00043f-A4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:20:41 +0000 Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.186]) by mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051113100733.EWPS18000.mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:07:33 +1300 Received: from mcalevey ([210.86.68.166]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20051113100733.DEMG1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:07:33 +1300 Message-ID: <005a01c5e83a$0d63aaf0$0301010a@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <13453172.1131876136617.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:07:27 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Subject: LF: Re: EU/ZL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello Laurie, I will have a look for your signal. Sorry for the bounced email. My system is doing odd things just now. Conditions could be good. I am pretty sure I copied XKO tonight. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:05:04 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbEjP-0000vN-DG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:05:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbEjP-0000vE-8T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:05:03 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbEjK-00086W-Nv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:04:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbEjK-00086N-E5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:04:58 +0000 Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.146]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbFZ7-0002au-CM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:58:30 +0000 Received: from mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.140]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051113100443.EPUM26057.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:04:43 +1300 Received: from mcalevey ([210.86.68.166]) by mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20051113100443.DDKA1416.mta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:04:43 +1300 Message-ID: <005401c5e839$a8088e00$0301010a@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <13453172.1131876136617.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 23:04:37 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Subject: LF: Re: EU/ZL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:02:52 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbEhG-0000tz-S5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:02:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbEhG-0000tt-O2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:02:50 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbEgp-00082B-Cu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:02:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbEgp-000822-25 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:02:23 +0000 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk ([193.252.22.158] helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbFWc-0002Y0-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 10:55:55 +0000 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3004.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A5EBE1C001CB for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:02:16 +0100 (CET) Received: from wwinf3002 (wwinf3002 [172.22.159.29]) by mwinf3004.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 99D5F1C001C6 for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:02:16 +0100 (CET) X-ME-UUID: 20051113100216630.99D5F1C001C6@mwinf3004.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <13453172.1131876136617.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> From: Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC To: RSGB Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [86.142.144.174] X-Wum-Nature: EMAIL-NATURE X-WUM-FROM: |~| X-WUM-TO: |~| X-WUM-REPLYTO: |~| Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 11:02:16 +0100 (CET) Subject: LF: EU/ZL Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

I will tranmit today on 135.922kHz and hope someone in ZL will have seen this message.

QRSS 120 message AQC, from 1600 to 1730 UTC.

73 Laurie

(tried to send this message direct to Mike ZL4OL but it was rejected!)

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:46:46 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbDVc-0005td-RS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:46:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EbDVc-0005tH-O7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:46:44 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EbDUB-0007sM-8W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:45:15 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EbDUA-0007sD-Rf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 08:45:14 +0000 Received: from mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.147]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EbEJw-0001eM-5K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 09:38:45 +0000 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.142]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051113084459.CHXD10600.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:44:59 +1300 Received: from mcalevey ([210.86.68.166]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20051113084458.EZAW14226.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:44:58 +1300 Message-ID: <002a01c5e82e$8471d740$0301010a@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001901c5e0b8$9fac4a40$473c7ad5@w4o8m9> Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2005 21:44:53 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2670 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2670 Subject: LF: 137.7777 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello, does anyone know of a QRSS signal on about 137.7777kHz? I was watching a likely signal build up but it disappeared at 0837. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:21:40 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Eb2od-0000DK-Ad for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:21:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Eb2od-0000D8-0f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:21:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Eb2no-0005jG-7R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:20:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Eb2nn-0005j7-7o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:20:47 +0000 Received: from smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.194]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Eb3w6-0005ht-QX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 22:33:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 28896 invoked from network); 12 Nov 2005 21:20:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.194) with ESMTP; 12 Nov 2005 21:20:26 -0000 Message-ID: <001e01c5e7ce$eadc1be0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@lwca.org References: <437642C3.4030403@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 21:20:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: LF: WD2XES 30 Watt WOLF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) WD2XES will be running WOLF at 30 watts tonight on 137.422 kHz. Reports are welcome. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:33:07 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Eb17Z-000101-2E for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:33:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Eb17Y-0000t7-Tu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:33:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Eb15d-0005Wu-Tu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:31:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Eb15d-0005Wl-5q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:31:05 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Eb2Dv-0004eB-Rm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:43:44 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.192] (helo=mx8.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.53-RC2) id 1Eb14d-00089S-89 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:30:03 +0100 Received: from p54869f6d.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.159.109] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx8.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.54 #12) id 1Eb14d-0007tr-1h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 12 Nov 2005 20:30:03 +0100 Message-ID: <437642C3.4030403@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 19:30:11 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSGB LF Group Subject: LF: Someone testing.. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) .. ok, this is mainly a reflector test - not a single message the last few days ? Besides this, someone was calling "CQ TEST" this evening on 135.6 kHz, think it was a DJ6... but the rest was hard to copy due to tremendous QRN. 73, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:01:59 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EaXbR-0004lO-2K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:01:59 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EaXbQ-0004j3-EH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:01:56 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EaXZx-0003Nx-Ai for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:00:25 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EaXZw-0003No-Sd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:00:24 +0000 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EaYP1-0005T5-JR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 12:53:12 +0000 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id jABC0pCj024417 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:00:51 -0500 Received: from server (dial-171.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.171]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id jABC1EMO026614 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 07:01:14 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <018801c5e6b6$e82b10e0$b892fea9@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <021001c5e31d$0db13080$0201a8c0@private.network> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:56:06 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: TA activity E > W Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello LFers,
 
I see almost daily reports from Harmut and others with captures
of TA signals from North America to Europe, but none coming
our way.  Are there any European stations beaconing regularly
in E > W attempts at TA?
 
73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
Solar and wind powered
EN93dr
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:39:48 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EaL59-0003tF-Hb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:39:48 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EaL58-0003sp-Um for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:39:47 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EaL41-0002TP-Ea for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:38:37 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EaL40-0002TG-TE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 22:38:36 +0000 Received: from mail.gmx.de ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EaLsr-0004UT-JP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:31:11 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 10 Nov 2005 22:38:27 -0000 Received: from A330f.a.pppool.de (EHLO computername) [213.6.51.15] by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 23:38:27 +0100 X-Authenticated: #2148591 Message-ID: <000b01c5e647$ae80f2c0$0f3306d5@computername> From: "Reiner Nabe" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1615181605.20051109194654@t-online.de> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 23:38:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: LF: Re: TA Nov, 8/9th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartmut Wolff" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: LF: TA Nov, 8/9th > Captured VO1NA, WD2XGJ and WD2XKO at good level last night. Best time > for WD2XGJ and WD2XKO was 22:00-02:30 and 05:30-07:30 UTC. > Warren switched between QRSS60 and QRSS30. Dex is sending the full callsign > since Nov,7th about 00:00 UTC. > I saw VO1NA 12:00-15:00 UTC today, again. The local noise was very > high at that time I copied no full "NA". > > Captures can be seen here: > > http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm > > > > 73 > > Hartmut > > Locator:JO52ho > www.h-wolff.de > > Lieber OM Hartmut, erstaunlich,wie gut Du offensichtlich die Nordamerikaner empfangen kannst. Würde mich interessiern, welche Rx-Ant. Du benutzt und auf welcher QRG z.B. VO1Na oder WD2XGJ u. WD2XKO senden. Vy 73 de Reiner DL3FDO (DL3FDO@gmx.de) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:08:07 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZzz4-0000QU-Q4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:08:07 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZzz4-0000QL-Lo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:08:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EZzyI-0000O2-O3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:07:18 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EZzyI-0000Nt-9w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:07:18 +0000 Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.139]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ea0ml-0003kI-9i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:59:31 +0000 Received: (qmail 48478 invoked from network); 10 Nov 2005 00:06:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.100.212 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 10 Nov 2005 00:06:07 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c5e58a$8ecd6480$d4647ad5@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 00:03:43 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: LF: Re: XDW WOlf tonite -137.451Khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) No The grass will grow faster under the loop. One reason being it will get more rain. ..... drips off the wire, long after it has stopped raining. I have a number of fruit trees here and the grass always grows longer under the trees. They are pruned so that they are "open" and do not restrict light to the ground. Of course there are also the nice warm happy worms which are aerating the soil and the effects of the RF breaking down chemicals to produce excess nutriants, the birds who perch and deposit guano as the "seat reservation fee"......Gosh everyone should have one !! Then you must look at Dst ( The "distributed soil temperature" )..... data not available at present due to RFI in the measuring circuitry :-)) Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence KL1X" To: ; Cc: Sent: 09 November 2005 21:27 Subject: LF: XDW WOlf tonite -137.451Khz > > ive been running 1W thru the day on 137.7752 but will switch to - > > 137.451Khz from 2300z WOLF 1.1Kw tx output producing some 46.5A loop > current. > > Is it me or is the grass is growing faster under the loop... > > Have a nice day > > Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq > status http://myweb.cableone.net/flow > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:13:46 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZyCM-0001XM-7n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:13:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZyCM-0001Wi-3c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:13:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EZyBz-00008X-Ox for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:13:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EZyBz-00008O-9O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:13:19 +0000 Received: from imap.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20] helo=mail.gmx.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EZz0S-0002B7-Hk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 23:05:30 +0000 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 09 Nov 2005 22:13:10 -0000 Received: from A32ef.a.pppool.de (EHLO computername) [213.6.50.239] by mail.gmx.net (mp001) with SMTP; 09 Nov 2005 23:13:10 +0100 X-Authenticated: #2148591 Message-ID: <001301c5e57a$fc23c2a0$ef3206d5@computername> From: "Reiner Nabe" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1615181605.20051109194654@t-online.de> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 23:06:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 Subject: LF: Re: TA Nov, 8/9th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartmut Wolff" To: Sent: Wednesday, November 09, 2005 7:46 PM Subject: LF: TA Nov, 8/9th > Captured VO1NA, WD2XGJ and WD2XKO at good level last night. Best time > for WD2XGJ and WD2XKO was 22:00-02:30 and 05:30-07:30 UTC. > Warren switched between QRSS60 and QRSS30. Dex is sending the full callsign > since Nov,7th about 00:00 UTC. > I saw VO1NA 12:00-15:00 UTC today, again. The local noise was very > high at that time I copied no full "NA". > > Captures can be seen here: > > http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm > > > > 73 > > Hartmut > > Locator:JO52ho > www.h-wolff.de > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:28:35 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZxUg-00010m-Mv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:28:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZxUg-0000zk-F4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:28:34 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EZxU0-0008QG-GD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:27:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EZxU0-0008Q7-35 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:27:52 +0000 Received: from bay102-f20.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.30] helo=hotmail.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EZyIQ-0001ZQ-KY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 22:20:02 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 13:27:20 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 21:27:20 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <021001c5e31d$0db13080$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Cc: mcalevey@xtra.co.nz Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 12:27:20 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Nov 2005 21:27:20.0277 (UTC) FILETIME=[5DCF7050:01C5E574] Subject: LF: XDW WOlf tonite -137.451Khz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit ive been running 1W thru the day on 137.7752 but will switch to - 137.451Khz from 2300z WOLF 1.1Kw tx output producing some 46.5A loop current. Is it me or is the grass is growing faster under the loop... Have a nice day Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq status http://myweb.cableone.net/flow From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:08:46 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZvJK-0000E8-Ih for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:08:45 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZvJK-0000Db-AL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:08:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EZvJ1-00088p-9k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:08:23 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EZvJ0-00088g-Si for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:08:22 +0000 Received: from mtiwmhc11.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.115]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EZw7Q-00088D-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 20:00:31 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.126] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc11) with ESMTP id <2005110919080711100o0kpue>; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:08:13 +0000 Message-ID: <4372491A.5060809@att.net> Date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 14:08:10 -0500 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1615181605.20051109194654@t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1615181605.20051109194654@t-online.de> Subject: Re: LF: TA Nov, 8/9th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hartmut, Nice copy of the full call! That takes about one hour of good copy. Report added to the XKO reports page: http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xko_reception_reports.htm Thanks, Dex http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xko.htm Hartmut Wolff wrote: >Captured VO1NA, WD2XGJ and WD2XKO at good level last night. Best time >for WD2XGJ and WD2XKO was 22:00-02:30 and 05:30-07:30 UTC. >Warren switched between QRSS60 and QRSS30. Dex is sending the full callsign >since Nov,7th about 00:00 UTC. > >Captures can be seen here: > >http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 18:48:12 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZuzO-0003KI-Vm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 18:48:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZuzO-0003Jw-Es for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 18:48:06 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EZuyb-00082q-P8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 18:47:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EZuyb-00082h-8T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 18:47:17 +0000 Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.19]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EZvn1-0007qA-6K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:39:25 +0000 Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EZuyX-0004Pl-01; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 19:47:13 +0100 Received: from HW1 (Z1GVMkZdweFTeHNA1CMMPJecdZrCaIUXVasP+J8I20TP6HpdOdQR0d@[84.133.108.106]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EZuyN-1YoJY80; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:47:03 +0100 Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 19:46:54 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1615181605.20051109194654@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: Z1GVMkZdweFTeHNA1CMMPJecdZrCaIUXVasP+J8I20TP6HpdOdQR0d X-TOI-MSGID: a4b37cff-76e6-4818-a198-495d36baed6f Subject: LF: TA Nov, 8/9th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Captured VO1NA, WD2XGJ and WD2XKO at good level last night. Best time for WD2XGJ and WD2XKO was 22:00-02:30 and 05:30-07:30 UTC. Warren switched between QRSS60 and QRSS30. Dex is sending the full callsign since Nov,7th about 00:00 UTC. I saw VO1NA 12:00-15:00 UTC today, again. The local noise was very high at that time I copied no full "NA". Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:57:12 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZllW-000762-Nr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:57:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZllW-00074m-JV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:57:10 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EZljq-000689-UO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:55:26 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EZljp-000680-TX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 08:55:25 +0000 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240] helo=priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EZmY6-0000PG-BZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 09 Nov 2005 09:47:24 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051109085515.UDKI11380.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Wed, 9 Nov 2005 01:55:15 -0700 Message-ID: <005701c5e50b$7d27f9e0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2005 00:56:35 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TIL back ON 0805UTC Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Was off for a couple of hours to listen for the howling XDW.
 
QRSSine 120...
 
73 Scott
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:17:33 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZbmW-0005aS-3b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:17:33 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZbmV-0005Zu-Sw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:17:31 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EZblj-0004D8-Gh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:16:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EZbli-0004Cz-Q5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:16:42 +0000 Received: from bay102-f11.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.21] helo=hotmail.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EZcZp-0001W5-Qn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 23:08:31 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 14:16:37 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 22:16:36 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <436C7A46.1020302@mail.ru> From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 13:16:36 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Nov 2005 22:16:37.0469 (UTC) FILETIME=[160560D0:01C5E4B2] Subject: Re: LF: toothbrushes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To all those that responded to the toothbrush insulator and related questions/answers - my thanks. Im in the pre balloon launch window of t minus 14 days and counting.....(subject to the Okie weather) laurence kl1x/5 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:21:42 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZY6F-0003jR-5n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:21:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZY6F-0003j5-2d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:21:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EZY5W-0003Ts-CY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:20:54 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EZY5V-0003Tj-HV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:20:53 +0000 Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.199]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EZZBo-0004Va-QB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 19:31:30 +0000 Received: (qmail 21267 invoked from network); 8 Nov 2005 18:20:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.68.188 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 8 Nov 2005 18:20:44 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c5e491$268b9580$bc448351@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <27162476.20051108175456@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 18:20:05 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: LF: Re: VO1NA daytime Oct, 8th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi both it looks like the reception is centered around the time when the sun is at the zenith at mid path. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hartmut Wolff" To: Sent: 08 November 2005 16:54 Subject: LF: VO1NA daytime Oct, 8th > Today again daytime reception of VO1NA. Captured 3 "NA"s or "X" > 13:00-15:30 UTC. Traces 11:00-13:00 and 15:30-16:30. > > Captures can be seen here: > > http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm > > > > > 73 > > Hartmut > > Locator:JO52ho > www.h-wolff.de > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:40:14 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZXS9-0001wB-DM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:40:14 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZXS9-0001w1-9L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:40:13 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EZXRo-0003Hp-E5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:39:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EZXRo-0003Hg-2D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:39:52 +0000 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EZYFp-00070f-Cp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:31:35 +0000 Received: from fwd34.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EZXQm-0004Qw-01; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:38:48 +0100 Received: from HW1 (ZXrldvZOreXFdDsYddwQzDKM4WGM58F+TXu4p08VueAc+qISYxv+0s@[84.133.93.88]) by fwd34.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EZXQf-1QRhJI0; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 18:38:41 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 18:38:22 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1675705219.20051108183822@t-online.de> To: Joe Craig In-Reply-To: References: <27162476.20051108175456@t-online.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: ZXrldvZOreXFdDsYddwQzDKM4WGM58F+TXu4p08VueAc+qISYxv+0s X-TOI-MSGID: f38f4fc2-709f-4f15-8f61-03f4ad332a1b Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA daytime Oct, 8th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Joe, > That's quite impressive. What are your local sunrise and sunset times? Sunrise: 06:26 UTC Sunset: 15:35 UTC Due to some local noise, today reception was not so clear as on sunday. The dots are a bit sketchy. 73 Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:15:19 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZX41-00030g-QU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:15:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZX41-00030R-NP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:15:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EZX3i-00039p-20 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:14:58 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EZX3h-00039g-Nk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:14:57 +0000 Received: from gander.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.65]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EZXrj-0006cM-Ji for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:06:41 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by gander.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA8HElhG031643 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:44:47 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id jA8HEk51018887 for ; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:44:46 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id jA8HEkdw025007; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:44:46 -0330 (NST) Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 13:44:45 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <27162476.20051108175456@t-online.de> Message-ID: References: <27162476.20051108175456@t-online.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA daytime Oct, 8th Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Hartmut, That's quite impressive. What are your local sunrise and sunset times? 73 Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:56:12 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZWlX-0000Pf-4K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:56:12 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZWlW-0000PN-Sb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:56:11 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EZWkf-00030i-0z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:55:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EZWke-00030Z-Fr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 16:55:16 +0000 Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.19]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EZXqv-0003hK-Tt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 18:05:51 +0000 Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EZWka-00056D-00; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 17:55:12 +0100 Received: from HW1 (ESd+VeZOge9w8IEciaL1lXdqAp2oc3GGQ3EBmiSp44wnrgJrCHxSoE@[84.133.93.88]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EZWkM-1mXNuy0; Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:54:58 +0100 Date: Tue, 8 Nov 2005 17:54:56 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <27162476.20051108175456@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: ESd+VeZOge9w8IEciaL1lXdqAp2oc3GGQ3EBmiSp44wnrgJrCHxSoE X-TOI-MSGID: 9aaed677-4dad-4b73-9cca-4309e8a8e2fb Subject: LF: VO1NA daytime Oct, 8th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Today again daytime reception of VO1NA. Captured 3 "NA"s or "X" 13:00-15:30 UTC. Traces 11:00-13:00 and 15:30-16:30. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:30:51 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZN0N-0006g1-4i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:30:51 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZN0N-0006fo-0R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:30:51 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EZMzZ-0001Vi-6k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:30:01 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EZMzY-0001VZ-MA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 06:30:00 +0000 Received: from outbound05.telus.net ([199.185.220.224] helo=priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EZNnQ-0006Qj-Bm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 08 Nov 2005 07:21:33 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051108062946.QUIA7599.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 23:29:46 -0700 Message-ID: <00e101c5e42d$fcd97c60$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 22:31:01 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TIL off to listen for the lone WOLF... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I'll be off until ZL sunset 0830UTC
 
Listening in WOLF...
 
Scott
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:06:37 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZG4T-0004HC-Ib for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:06:37 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EZG4T-0004H4-FH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:06:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EZG32-0000G4-9M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:05:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EZG31-0000Fv-OI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:05:07 +0000 Received: from bay102-f26.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.36] helo=hotmail.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EZGqm-0001KX-Ht for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:56:33 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 15:04:40 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 23:04:40 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.117.151.75] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Cc: vernall@xtra.co.nz, mcalevey@xtra.co.nz Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:04:40 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Nov 2005 23:04:40.0672 (UTC) FILETIME=[A2217E00:01C5E3EF] Subject: LF: WD2XDW WOlf 137.451 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit XDW is warming the worms on 137.451 KHz WOLF from 2200Z 7th November Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq NE Oklahoma; not far from the "little house", or Toto. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 01:11:25 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYvXg-0001SD-W0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 01:11:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYvXg-0001Ri-OT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 01:11:24 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYvWi-0005ZI-Nd for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 01:10:24 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYvWi-0005Z9-2J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 01:10:24 +0000 Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.195]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYwcB-0008CA-9i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 02:20:09 +0000 Received: (qmail 46936 invoked from network); 7 Nov 2005 01:09:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.127.158 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Nov 2005 01:09:15 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c5e337$e193e680$9e7f7ad5@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1505422526.20051106175200@t-online.de> Date: Mon, 7 Nov 2005 01:09:15 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA midday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Joe and Hartmut, This is quite interesting. You have obviously improved the antenna system a bit Joe. All I can think of is that at this time of year solar illumination is not too strong, plus we have had a geomagnetic "minor storm" on the 3rd/4th. I can only assume that there was little absorption in the D-layer but a low "reflecting" layer which allowed the signal to hop across in daytime. My guess is 4 hops to Hartmut. The advantage being that the route is almost all sea-path so there is little loss on the "ground-bounce" (Though in fact it doesnt "bounce", at extreme range it comes in a grazing angles, skims the surface and exits off up for the next meeting with the ionosphere. At worst it is diffraction and the roughness of the sea surface is quite small compared with the wavelength.) I think my first mid-day reception of Joe was once (when he forgot to switch off after breakfast !) after a geomagnetic storm....I also think it was late in the year. At his time of year we used to see CFH well into daylight here, and often again at about 1500z (zenith at mid-Atlantic). and I believe John VO1ZJ used to copy DCF39 all day. Unfortunately I do not have Brian's regular daytime plot of DCF39 at the moment to check daytime levels....his path is marvellous for looking at daytime skywave. Frustratingly Kyoto's Dst figures are unavailable too.....but as the site is off-air today maybe they are sorting that out. There were a few mid B-Class flares on the 6th but I dont think that would have any effect....and they were very "narrow", background flux is mid A-Class which is very low, and would normally yield poor daytime skywave on the Porto <> Magdeburg path. The events are getting more interesting now as with less activity it is a little easier to correlate the different possible causes with the anamolous propagation. It will be interesting to see if this repeats. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Craig" To: Sent: 06 November 2005 23:47 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA midday > Hi Hartmut and group, > > Your copy is very impressive. I wonder what Alan thinks of this -- > could it be due to one of the minor flares? > > Incidently, there was a good reason for the 'nil' on the 5th... the > TX keyer was accidently shut down. > > 73 > Joe VO1NA > > > On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Hartmut Wolff wrote: > > > No fade out of VO1NA here in Germany during daytime. The attached > > screenshot shows 11:00-16:00 UTC. > > > > 73 > > > > Hartmut > > > > Locator:JO52ho > > www.h-wolff.de > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:49:38 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYuGY-0007eD-4Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:49:38 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYuGX-0007do-38 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:49:37 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYuFe-0005JL-At for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:48:42 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYuFd-0005JC-JI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:48:41 +0000 Received: from mx1.mun.ca ([134.153.232.16] helo=cupids.ucs.mun.ca) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYvL5-0007Zk-2F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 00:58:25 +0000 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by cupids.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jA6NlRaM009732 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:17:27 -0330 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id jA6NlR51017541 for ; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:17:27 -0330 (NST) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id jA6NlRsW001838; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:17:27 -0330 (NST) Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 20:17:26 -0330 (NST) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org In-Reply-To: <1505422526.20051106175200@t-online.de> Message-ID: References: <1505422526.20051106175200@t-online.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: VO1NA midday Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Hartmut and group, Your copy is very impressive. I wonder what Alan thinks of this -- could it be due to one of the minor flares? Incidently, there was a good reason for the 'nil' on the 5th... the TX keyer was accidently shut down. 73 Joe VO1NA On Sun, 6 Nov 2005, Hartmut Wolff wrote: > No fade out of VO1NA here in Germany during daytime. The attached > screenshot shows 11:00-16:00 UTC. > > 73 > > Hartmut > > Locator:JO52ho > www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:22:17 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYsu1-00081y-DK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:22:17 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYsu1-00080W-7K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:22:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYssQ-00054a-Kw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:20:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYssQ-00054R-3l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 22:20:38 +0000 Received: from outbound01.telus.net ([199.185.220.220] helo=priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYtfm-0007qq-Pe for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 23:11:40 +0000 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20051106215600.NHYR1819.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 14:56:00 -0700 Message-ID: <021001c5e31d$0db13080$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 13:57:17 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: TIL repaired... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Finally a break in the weather and some sunshine! 
 
Repaired the antenna and will be resuming beaconing at 0100UTC, Nov 7.  
 
Mode QRSSine 120, 10 minute period, ~0.1Hz amplitude roughly centered between 137778.0 and 137778.1Hz.
 
73 Scott
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:57:04 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYnpI-0005oH-4b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:57:04 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYnpH-0005o8-Vz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:57:04 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYnoq-0004MX-61 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:56:36 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYnop-0004MJ-LX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:56:35 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.37]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYou9-0003sN-M9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:06:10 +0000 Received: from mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.48]) by mk-smarthost-1.mail.uk.tiscali.com with ESMTP; 06 Nov 2005 16:56:28 +0000 X-BrightmailFiltered: true X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAQAAA+k= Received: from 80-43-25-30.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com ([80.43.25.30]:2683 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-9.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1EYnmF-000GZJ-B0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:53:55 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 16:56:53 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001901c5e2e7$d996f940$c5367ad5@Main> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal Subject: RE: LF: Fuzzy lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Alan & LF, I posed the query with Dave a couple of days ago because I could see the fuzzy lines & they were also visible on Dave's grab. The lines are at approx 137776.5 Hz & 1377750.0 Hz. I can see the lines appearing on my SpecLab & Spectran waterfalls now (1650z). My audio is quite high to the sound card, the IF filter is 400 Hz & I am not using the noise blanker on the JRC NRD-345. I only seem to have started seeing them recently. Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alan Melia Sent: 06 November 2005 15:36 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Fuzzy lines Hi Dave, It was too noisy to look for them last night. There is nothing I can see there in daylight (well almost ...1525z) on a 30 sec slow Argo screen. There is a lot of "snow" on it due to 50Hz dimmer interference I think. I do run the level out of my RXs quite high (into the LINE inputs on the soundcard) so I can hear signals on the computer speakers. I do get IMDs with strong signals and try to use a 300Hz filter in the RX IF to remove most of them. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Pick" To: Sent: 05 November 2005 23:18 Subject: RE: LF: Fuzzy lines Markus Interesting. The frequencies are right. I could understand the Rugby one because that's loud here but neither DCF39 nor Lessay are loud enough to intermod locally so where does that product get generated? Dave G3YXM _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of MarkusVester@aol.com Sent: 05 November 2005 22:04 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Fuzzy lines Dear Dave and LF, this seems to be an intermodulation between DCF39 (abt 0.1Hz wide due to the data telegrams every 10s) and Loran C. The lines in you screenshot are 138830.03 - 142 * 50000 / 6731 = 137775.21 (Lessay, Soustons, Sylt, Rugby) and 138830.03 - 158 * 50000 / 7499 = 137776.56 (Sylt, Lessay, Verlandet). The latter one is a little surprising because Rugby does not appear to be dual rated. Laurence KL1X saw similar DCF ghosts in December 2003, which appeared every time the path was open from Germany to Alaska. For a while we speculated about possible ionospheric crossmodulation, but then Laurence confirmed that the spurs were caused by periodic triggering of his noise blanker on the Pacific Loran pulses. We also found a faint hint of a Sylt + DCF39 combination in one of Alan's screenshots. Hope this helps... 73 de Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:54:25 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYnmh-0002VW-QT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:54:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYnmh-0002VG-4o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:54:23 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYnld-0004Ha-3R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:53:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYnlc-0004HR-A7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:53:16 +0000 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYoqu-0003qL-Ty for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 18:02:51 +0000 Received: from fwd27.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EYnkZ-00064Y-02; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 17:52:11 +0100 Received: from HW1 (XZ6llYZDQetDhAYFp4a2c+-WoWSREst7Ml2Fp8pWe9yvksnSdrmE0c@[84.133.121.159]) by fwd27.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EYnkQ-0hv9KS0; Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:52:02 +0100 Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 17:52:00 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1505422526.20051106175200@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: XZ6llYZDQetDhAYFp4a2c+-WoWSREst7Ml2Fp8pWe9yvksnSdrmE0c X-TOI-MSGID: ee998c12-3449-4b2b-99b1-2e4bfdbe905f Subject: LF: VO1NA midday Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040006000907030901000006" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040006000907030901000006 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit No fade out of VO1NA here in Germany during daytime. 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v2.00) id 1EYmb3-0008Vq-Qb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:38:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYmZl-00043q-1p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:36:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYmZk-00043h-J9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 15:36:56 +0000 Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.203]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYnN0-00034C-Nj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 16:27:52 +0000 Received: (qmail 98144 invoked from network); 6 Nov 2005 15:36:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.154.187 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Nov 2005 15:36:49 -0000 Message-ID: <001901c5e2e7$d996f940$c5367ad5@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003b01c5e25f$31822370$f500a8c0@Dell5150> Date: Sun, 6 Nov 2005 15:35:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: Re: LF: Fuzzy lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Dave, It was too noisy to look for them last night. There is nothing I can see there in daylight (well almost ...1525z) on a 30 sec slow Argo screen. There is a lot of "snow" on it due to 50Hz dimmer interference I think. I do run the level out of my RXs quite high (into the LINE inputs on the soundcard) so I can hear signals on the computer speakers. I do get IMDs with strong signals and try to use a 300Hz filter in the RX IF to remove most of them. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Pick" To: Sent: 05 November 2005 23:18 Subject: RE: LF: Fuzzy lines Markus Interesting. The frequencies are right. I could understand the Rugby one because that's loud here but neither DCF39 nor Lessay are loud enough to intermod locally so where does that product get generated? Dave G3YXM _____ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of MarkusVester@aol.com Sent: 05 November 2005 22:04 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Fuzzy lines Dear Dave and LF, this seems to be an intermodulation between DCF39 (abt 0.1Hz wide due to the data telegrams every 10s) and Loran C. The lines in you screenshot are 138830.03 - 142 * 50000 / 6731 = 137775.21 (Lessay, Soustons, Sylt, Rugby) and 138830.03 - 158 * 50000 / 7499 = 137776.56 (Sylt, Lessay, Verlandet). The latter one is a little surprising because Rugby does not appear to be dual rated. Laurence KL1X saw similar DCF ghosts in December 2003, which appeared every time the path was open from Germany to Alaska. For a while we speculated about possible ionospheric crossmodulation, but then Laurence confirmed that the spurs were caused by periodic triggering of his noise blanker on the Pacific Loran pulses. We also found a faint hint of a Sylt + DCF39 combination in one of Alan's screenshots. Hope this helps... 73 de Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:41:53 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYYbY-0006mk-5x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:41:53 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYYbY-0006mB-0B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:41:52 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYYat-0001Iu-H6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:41:11 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYYas-0001Il-L1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:41:10 +0000 Received: from bay102-f35.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.45] helo=hotmail.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYZNu-0003sa-AT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 01:31:51 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 16:40:41 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:40:41 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.117.151.75] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <003b01c5e25f$31822370$f500a8c0@Dell5150> From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 15:40:41 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Nov 2005 00:40:41.0689 (UTC) FILETIME=[B7236C90:01C5E26A] Subject: RE: LF: Fuzzy lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit A bit more on the KL7 ghosts. In Alaska DCF39 didnt have to be strong at all for fuzzies to appear - from memory (also fuzzy) I started to see products on argo dot 60 at detectable CW levels from DCF39. Loran C stations were at TOK, and Kodiak (and others) the nearest a couple of hundred miles away...but they were 20 over even at 137Khz in 2.8Khz b/w. The rx was and still is the 870 and did dissapear with the NB off - the NB by the way on the 870 is very effective visually at knocking off Loran and knocks the 850 into a "cocked hat" NB wise - kinda interesting. Recently (Ok a year or so ago) I remember more discussions on visual by-products being detected by someone but again from a fuzzy memory they werent associated or were eliminated as due to NB or intermods. Not sure if the manifestation was cleared up.... Ill see if I can find some of the old captures from AK but it makes me "homesick" looking at them... Laurence KL1X/5... yearing for mountains... >From: "Dave Pick" >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: >Subject: RE: LF: Fuzzy lines >Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:18:12 -0000 > >Markus > >Interesting. The frequencies are right. I could understand the Rugby one >because that's loud here but neither DCF39 nor Lessay are loud enough to >intermod locally so where does that product get generated? > >Dave G3YXM > > > _____ > >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of >MarkusVester@aol.com >Sent: 05 November 2005 22:04 >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: Re: LF: Fuzzy lines > > >Dear Dave and LF, > >this seems to be an intermodulation between DCF39 (abt 0.1Hz wide due to >the >data telegrams every 10s) and Loran C. The lines in you screenshot are >138830.03 - 142 * 50000 / 6731 = 137775.21 (Lessay, Soustons, Sylt, Rugby) >and >138830.03 - 158 * 50000 / 7499 = 137776.56 (Sylt, Lessay, Verlandet). >The latter one is a little surprising because Rugby does not appear to be >dual rated. > >Laurence KL1X saw similar DCF ghosts in December 2003, which appeared every >time the path was open from Germany to Alaska. For a while we speculated >about possible ionospheric crossmodulation, but then Laurence confirmed >that >the spurs were caused by periodic triggering of his noise blanker on the >Pacific Loran pulses. We also found a faint hint of a Sylt + DCF39 >combination in one of Alan's screenshots. > >Hope this helps... > >73 de Markus, DF6NM > > >In einer eMail vom 05.11.2005 21:03:36 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt >dave@picks.force9.co.uk: > > > >Dear all > >Myself and Gary G4WGT both see these fuzzy lines on Argo. I seem to >remember >some discussion of their origin before but can't remember whether there was >a definite answer. >The come in at dusk and stay 'till dawn! > >73 >Dave G3YXM. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:18:47 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYXJ7-0007fX-E2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:18:46 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYXJ7-0007fP-9O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:18:45 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYXIf-00017g-4x for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:18:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYXIe-00017X-JQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:18:16 +0000 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYYNc-0003Tc-FS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 06 Nov 2005 00:27:29 +0000 Received: (qmail 35460 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2005 23:18:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@86.137.56.21 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2005 23:18:09 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 23:18:12 -0000 Message-ID: <003b01c5e25f$31822370$f500a8c0@Dell5150> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <25f.461d5c.309e866b@aol.com> Thread-Index: AcXiVQJhyrlct41wTAyB3QEVJDAlvwACbg/Q Subject: RE: LF: Fuzzy lines Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Markus
 
Interesting. The frequencies are right. I could understand the Rugby one because that's loud here but neither DCF39 nor Lessay are loud enough to intermod locally so where does that product get generated?
 
Dave G3YXM

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of MarkusVester@aol.com
Sent: 05 November 2005 22:04
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Fuzzy lines

Dear Dave and LF,

this seems to be an intermodulation between DCF39 (abt 0.1Hz wide due to the data telegrams every 10s) and Loran C. The lines in you screenshot are
138830.03 - 142 * 50000 / 6731 = 137775.21 (Lessay, Soustons, Sylt, Rugby) and
138830.03 - 158 * 50000 / 7499 = 137776.56 (Sylt, Lessay, Verlandet).
The latter one is a little surprising because Rugby does not appear to be dual rated.

Laurence KL1X saw similar DCF ghosts in December 2003, which appeared every time the path was open from Germany to Alaska. For a while we speculated about possible ionospheric crossmodulation, but then Laurence confirmed that the spurs were caused by periodic triggering of his noise blanker on the Pacific Loran pulses. We also found a faint hint of a Sylt + DCF39 combination in one of Alan's screenshots.

Hope this helps...

73 de Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 05.11.2005 21:03:36 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt dave@picks.force9.co.uk:

Dear all

Myself and Gary G4WGT both see these fuzzy lines on Argo. I seem to remember
some discussion of their origin before but can't remember whether there was
a definite answer.
The come in at dusk and stay 'till dawn!

73
Dave G3YXM.


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:58:13 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYWzE-0002CD-TM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:58:13 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYWzE-0002C4-MC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:58:12 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYWyz-00010c-QH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:57:57 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYWyz-00010T-Fh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:57:57 +0000 Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.207]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYXlz-0002au-RV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:48:36 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id l.df.200e3269 (3858) for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:54:02 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:54:01 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: LF: PSK modulator Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear LF Group,

just in case someone is interested in the PSK modulator serving DI2AG, I've uploaded the software and descriptions to
http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/SerPSK.zip

73 and best wishes
Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:22:30 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYWQf-0001N8-CL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:22:29 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYWQf-0001MJ-6T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:22:29 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYWQM-0000s0-1n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:22:10 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYWQL-0000rr-Mg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:22:09 +0000 Received: from bay102-f15.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.25] helo=hotmail.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYXDL-0002A6-9E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 23:12:48 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 14:21:46 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:21:45 GMT X-Originating-IP: [24.117.151.75] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: mcalevey@xtra.co.nz, vernall@xtra.co.nz, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:21:45 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 Nov 2005 22:21:46.0286 (UTC) FILETIME=[4ED9DCE0:01C5E257] Subject: LF: XDW Wolf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Ive shifted freq again now 137.451 Khz on at 2215z Sat Laurence KL1X em26aq From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:05:19 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYWA2-0000bA-F0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:05:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYWA2-0000b4-8B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:05:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYW9P-0000m2-Du for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:04:39 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYW9P-0000lt-0H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:04:39 +0000 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYWwO-0001vj-DR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 22:55:17 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id l.25f.461d5c (3858) for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:04:27 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <25f.461d5c.309e866b@aol.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:04:27 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: Fuzzy lines Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Dave and LF,

this seems to be an intermodulation between DCF39 (abt 0.1Hz wide due to the data telegrams every 10s) and Loran C. The lines in you screenshot are
138830.03 - 142 * 50000 / 6731 = 137775.21 (Lessay, Soustons, Sylt, Rugby) and
138830.03 - 158 * 50000 / 7499 = 137776.56 (Sylt, Lessay, Verlandet).
The latter one is a little surprising because Rugby does not appear to be dual rated.

Laurence KL1X saw similar DCF ghosts in December 2003, which appeared every time the path was open from Germany to Alaska. For a while we speculated about possible ionospheric crossmodulation, but then Laurence confirmed that the spurs were caused by periodic triggering of his noise blanker on the Pacific Loran pulses. We also found a faint hint of a Sylt + DCF39 combination in one of Alan's screenshots.

Hope this helps...

73 de Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 05.11.2005 21:03:36 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt dave@picks.force9.co.uk:

Dear all

Myself and Gary G4WGT both see these fuzzy lines on Argo. I seem to remember
some discussion of their origin before but can't remember whether there was
a definite answer.
The come in at dusk and stay 'till dawn!

73
Dave G3YXM.


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:44:22 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYUth-0002it-M4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:44:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYUth-0002ii-Hc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:44:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYUtM-0000c6-Kl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:44:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYUtM-0000bx-6m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:44:00 +0000 Received: from smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.200]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYVgK-0000xy-7X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:34:37 +0000 Received: (qmail 24452 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2005 20:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@86.137.56.21 with login) by smtp810.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2005 20:42:53 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:42:56 -0000 Message-ID: <001e01c5e249$80a58bb0$f500a8c0@Dell5150> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <001901c5e0b8$9fac4a40$473c7ad5@w4o8m9> Thread-Index: AcXguLCEd3+iTIL+Ry2pHCZkckR9agBi6sKw Subject: LF: RE: Re: low pass filter for power use Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear all
 
Following all the discussion of the "G3YXM design" filter, I feel I ought to let you in on the time consuming process I used to arrive at those values:
Stage 1. Look up a topband PA design ARRL handbook.
Stage 2. Copy the 2.02MHz lowpass filter design and multiply all the values by 10.
Stage 3. Try it and see if it works!
 
 I did figure that second harmonic output attenuation wasn't goint to be an issue with a square-wave PA so the 200kHz + cutoff shouldn't be a problem and measurements back this up.
Incidently the Ropex uses exactly the same values (weird eh? Did they work it out themselves, copy me or use the same topband design??) but theirs has a nice little refinement, they placed a 3.3nF C (I think) across the second inductor to produce a third-harmonic trap.
I have tried other filter values but those are the ones that work best for efficiency and that's what was important for the absence of smoke in the shack.
KISS
 
73
Dave G3YXM
 
 
 
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of James Moritz
Sent: 03 November 2005 20:53
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: low pass filter for power use

Dear Tom, LF Group,
 
There are 2 main requirements for a TX output filter
 
a) Attenuate harmonics to acceptable level
b) Provide the right load impedance for the PA - usually a pure resistance at the output frequency.
 
Usually, the impedance at the input of the filter is made the same as the load, I assume 50R. There are a number of ways of doing this:
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:16:03 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYUSI-0004zn-KZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:16:03 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYUSI-0004yh-8a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:16:02 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYUS4-0000V7-4a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:15:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYUS3-0000Uy-LC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:15:47 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYVWx-0001sA-Oh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 21:24:56 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-150.fen-net.de [212.204.117.30]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id jA5KBpUT000793 for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:11:52 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002a01c5e247$cdda0520$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 21:30:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear friends,
           the beacon is still running with PSK31 on 440.0442KHz (thanks to Walter,  G3JKV, for accurate measuring). Power is 0.4W ERP in this moment, but will be increased to 4W ERP at 21.00 UTC for this night.
I posted a much longer message now, that describes the goals and the equipment of DI2AG and I hope, somebody can decode it.
73    Walter   DJ2LF
.
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:03:31 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYUGB-0005Z5-1U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:03:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYUGA-0005Yn-Re for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:03:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYUFV-0000PR-DW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:02:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYUFV-0000PI-1f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:02:49 +0000 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYV2S-0000Vk-F4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 20:53:25 +0000 Received: (qmail 35815 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2005 20:02:38 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@86.137.56.21 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2005 20:02:38 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 20:02:41 -0000 Message-ID: <001901c5e243$e10207a0$f500a8c0@Dell5150> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcXiQ+C/urasLxDrTy+RMyY2sgboxw== Subject: LF: Fuzzy lines Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080305020205060004010504" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080305020205060004010504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear all Myself and Gary G4WGT both see these fuzzy lines on Argo. 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 18:18:47 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYScp-00070A-3w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 18:18:47 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYSco-0006ze-K6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 18:18:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYSbZ-0000DR-6b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 18:17:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYSbY-0000DE-Dr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 18:17:28 +0000 Received: from mailfe11.tele2.fr ([212.247.155.76] helo=swip.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYTgO-0000ny-QU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 19:26:35 +0000 X-T2-Posting-ID: yN3knf/L3V+DBMN2/0a2H8k0MQ8ElzHVe/Nj1y1L7js= Received: from [213.103.40.244] (HELO [192.168.2.2]) by mailfe11.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.8) with ESMTP id 45863479 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 19:17:17 +0100 Message-ID: <436CF733.5040308@free.fr> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 19:17:23 +0100 From: F5MAF FREE User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: AW: LF: RE: F5MAF Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070903070004060200090404" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070903070004060200090404 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thomas Eckart a écrit : >Hi Marc, >did you called at abt. 16:00h 05.11.05 ? >I saw your signal in JO51dr! >73 Tom > > >-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- >Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Im Auftrag von F5MAF FREE >Gesendet: Samstag, 5. November 2005 13:31 >An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Betreff: Re: LF: RE: F5MAF > > >Dave G3WCB a écrit : > > > >>F5MAF copied here also, screenshot attached. >> >>73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Hartmut Wolff >>Sent: 05 November 2005 11:07 >>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >>Subject: LF: F5MAF >> >> >>Weak signal from F5MAF copied here with my antenna beaming at 310 >>degrees. >> >>73 >> >>Hartmut >> >>Locator:JO52ho >>www.h-wolff.de >> >> >>------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> >> >Hi all, >tank you for screenshoot > >Condition : >200W in T antenna 8m height, 28m long > >73' >Marc > >JN03PQ > > > > > > > Hi Tom, no, it was not my signal! 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(v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <368406818.20051105175201@t-online.de> To: Thomas Eckart In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: E1Hw9TZfweRt50H9v6Z3xG6ez5f6r4TF13XSrU651moA8J7BDUWLco X-TOI-MSGID: 1c9c94f4-2b4f-4fcf-9a2a-9a9d1429ea06 Subject: Re: AW: LF: RE: F5MAF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Tom, > Hi Marc, > did you called at abt. 16:00h 05.11.05 ? > I saw your signal in JO51dr! OH5UFO was calling about 15:50 UTC. Screenshot with your signal: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:08:19 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYQaY-00043I-Gz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:08:19 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYQaY-00043B-8V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:08:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYQZb-0008Nb-74 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:07:19 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYQZa-0008NS-CJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 16:07:18 +0000 Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.83]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYReO-0007yi-71 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:16:22 +0000 Received: from fwd34.aul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EYQYW-0006xF-02; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 17:06:12 +0100 Received: from dl4eau (ZwNYR6ZDZeL23KYLLd17Ahm6ZV65463vTMQjZjj4MdnUOJKfv1qfZ7@[217.245.119.48]) by fwd34.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1EYQYH-0EpXXs0; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:05:57 +0100 From: "Thomas Eckart" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 17:05:40 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <436CA5EC.4040605@free.fr> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ID: ZwNYR6ZDZeL23KYLLd17Ahm6ZV65463vTMQjZjj4MdnUOJKfv1qfZ7 X-TOI-MSGID: 41ef540e-b26d-407f-a29b-107b212058aa Subject: AW: LF: RE: F5MAF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Marc, did you called at abt. 16:00h 05.11.05 ? I saw your signal in JO51dr! 73 Tom -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Im Auftrag von F5MAF FREE Gesendet: Samstag, 5. November 2005 13:31 An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Betreff: Re: LF: RE: F5MAF Dave G3WCB a écrit : >F5MAF copied here also, screenshot attached. > >73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Hartmut Wolff >Sent: 05 November 2005 11:07 >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: LF: F5MAF > > >Weak signal from F5MAF copied here with my antenna beaming at 310 >degrees. > >73 > >Hartmut > >Locator:JO52ho >www.h-wolff.de > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hi all, tank you for screenshoot Condition : 200W in T antenna 8m height, 28m long 73' Marc JN03PQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:31:40 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYNCp-00016u-PE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:31:40 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYNCp-00016F-Jc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:31:35 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYNC0-00080C-N2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:30:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYNC0-000803-At for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:30:44 +0000 Received: from mailfe08.tele2.fr ([212.247.154.236] helo=swip.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYOGj-0005iK-PO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:39:43 +0000 X-T2-Posting-ID: yN3knf/L3V+DBMN2/0a2H8k0MQ8ElzHVe/Nj1y1L7js= Received: from [213.103.40.244] (HELO [192.168.2.2]) by mailfe08.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3.8) with ESMTP id 2042395 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:30:31 +0100 Message-ID: <436CA5EC.4040605@free.fr> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 13:30:36 +0100 From: F5MAF FREE User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; fr; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041217 X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: LF: RE: F5MAF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dave G3WCB a écrit : >F5MAF copied here also, screenshot attached. > >73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM > >-----Original Message----- >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Hartmut Wolff >Sent: 05 November 2005 11:07 >To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >Subject: LF: F5MAF > > >Weak signal from F5MAF copied here with my antenna beaming at 310 >degrees. > >73 > >Hartmut > >Locator:JO52ho >www.h-wolff.de > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Hi all, tank you for screenshoot Condition : 200W in T antenna 8m height, 28m long 73' Marc JN03PQ From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:01:18 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYMjV-0000TX-4h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:01:18 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYMjU-0000TR-UW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:01:17 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYMj6-0007tO-Q6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:00:52 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYMj6-0007tF-A2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:00:52 +0000 Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.202]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYNVu-0002z8-U0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:51:21 +0000 Received: (qmail 92084 invoked from network); 5 Nov 2005 12:00:44 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.151.103.186 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Nov 2005 12:00:44 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 12:01:20 -0000 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <1271654211.20051105120637@t-online.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: LF: RE: F5MAF Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040103060703040608030106" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040103060703040608030106 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit F5MAF copied here also, screenshot attached. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Hartmut Wolff Sent: 05 November 2005 11:07 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: F5MAF Weak signal from F5MAF copied here with my antenna beaming at 310 degrees. 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de --------------040103060703040608030106 Content-Type: image/gif; name="F5MAF.gif" 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1EYKH2-0007JA-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:23:44 +0300 Message-ID: <436C7A46.1020302@mail.ru> Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 12:24:22 +0300 From: Dmitri User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:1.0.1) Gecko/20020823 Netscape/7.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <66.63472a3e.309d5757@aol.com> Subject: Re: LF: toothbrushes Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010406030901040804030507" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010406030901040804030507 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Lf,

MarkusVester@aol.com wrote:
Hi Laurence and LF,

I have used ~ 40 cm helium balloons a couple of times, to get on air with 60 to 100 m of thin 0.4 mm copper wire. The balloon was closed off by a small upside-down plastic bottle (ex body lotion, or the like), with a hole in the base coverd by a piece of tesa tape as a filling valve. The wire end was simply wrapped around the neck of this bottle, with no extra length of nylon filament or insulators. Ran up to abt. 3 Amps RF into it without any problems. "Ground-based" experience with my 200 pF topload showed that corona near the wire ends can be reduced further by paralleling two (or more) thin wires for the last couple of meters, with a U-turn at the end and two 5 cm lightweight spacers.

Actually I was never very much worried about the balloon coming off the wire, but more concerned about not letting it off near the bottom end, with the risk of a string of copper shorting some high voltage powerline, possibly causing an arc after meltdown.

New - old idea: blow up radio mast, 45 meters- it's real.

Dmitri
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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 00:32:15 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYByh-0005Lb-CR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 00:32:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EYByh-0005LV-8M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 00:32:15 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EYBxx-0006oQ-AV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 00:31:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EYBxw-0006oH-Pq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 00:31:28 +0000 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EYCkb-0003Xk-CH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 01:21:46 +0000 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id l.66.63472a3e (1320) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 19:31:19 -0500 (EST) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <66.63472a3e.309d5757@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 19:31:19 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: toothbrushes Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Laurence and LF,

I have used ~ 40 cm helium balloons a couple of times, to get on air with 60 to 100 m of thin 0.4 mm copper wire. The balloon was closed off by a small upside-down plastic bottle (ex body lotion, or the like), with a hole in the base coverd by a piece of tesa tape as a filling valve. The wire end was simply wrapped around the neck of this bottle, with no extra length of nylon filament or insulators. Ran up to abt. 3 Amps RF into it without any problems. "Ground-based" experience with my 200 pF topload showed that corona near the wire ends can be reduced further by paralleling two (or more) thin wires for the last couple of meters, with a U-turn at the end and two 5 cm lightweight spacers.

Actually I was never very much worried about the balloon coming off the wire, but more concerned about not letting it off near the bottom end, with the risk of a string of copper shorting some high voltage powerline, possibly causing an arc after meltdown.

Running off my balcony, the balloon tended to drift off in the lightest wind, and the line kept getting entangled in trees, roof tiles etc. In a later experiment, I used a shorter and even thinner wire (abt. 10 grams), fixed to the top of my LF fishing pole, and acting as an effective replacement for the downwards sloping topload wires.

73 and good luck

Markus
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:44:58 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EY7Ug-0004f4-3l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:44:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EY7Ug-0004et-0P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:44:58 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EY7U0-0006Uc-Fl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:44:16 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EY7U0-0006UT-3d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:44:16 +0000 Received: from mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.58]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EY8YO-0004z7-JX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 20:52:54 +0000 Received: from web3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.192]) by mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20051104194405.TPMF8418.mta206-rme.xtra.co.nz@web3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 08:44:05 +1300 Received: from quaycustomer ([210.86.83.172]) by web3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20051104194404.JZOY22512.web3-rme.xtra.co.nz@quaycustomer> for ; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 08:44:04 +1300 Message-ID: <005301c5e17a$7d9c9280$c401a8c0@quaycustomer> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 09:01:04 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Re: toothbrushes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Laurence KL1X, Plastic chain may be another way of doing it? 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:07:43 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EY5yY-0001Ek-OR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:07:43 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EY5yY-0001Ea-KG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:07:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EY5xw-0006CQ-Ti for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:07:04 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EY5xw-0006CH-Dt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:07:04 +0000 Received: from mtiwmhc13.worldnet.att.net ([204.127.131.117]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EY72H-0003wJ-G3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 19:15:40 +0000 Received: from [10.0.252.126] (166-82-181-2.stanlynet.org[166.82.181.2]) by worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc13) with ESMTP id <2005110418061211300sk8vfe>; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 18:06:17 +0000 Message-ID: <436BA312.3030607@att.net> Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 13:06:10 -0500 From: Dexter McIntyre W4DEX User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: LF: toothbrushes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Laurence KL1X wrote: > Im hoping to erect a reasonably large but lightweight temp 60m > vertical here in the near future but need to keep the insulator weight > down to the minimum - I see toothbrushes have been used in the past at > the 400W level (?) but Im going to be around that level and concerned > over corona _ive made some lightweight corona rings up but still > concerned. I dont think Im going to be able to top cap load so looking > like something around 365pF and perhaps >3.5mH to resonant I've used fiberglass rods. Several sources: ~10 mm - electric fence post, ~6 mm - bicycle flag mast, ~3 mm from dead pool umbrella spreaders. Also I've found some weed eater line to be a very good insulators with high voltage at LF. However the last type I bought sure wasn't. After reading the packaging I found the line to contain some titanium! Here's a picture of an insulator made with a section of an electric fence post connected to plastic electric fence insulators. A hole the diameter of the rod was drilled in one end of the plastic insulators. Then rod was inserted and pined with small brass nails. I tested this one with 200 pounds dead weight. The umbrella spreader size rod would be lightweight. http://www.w4dex.com/lf/part5/xko_insulator.JPG Dex, W4DEX / WD2XKO http://www.w4dex.com/wd2xko.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:34:35 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EY5ST-0004he-Sd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:34:35 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EY5ST-0004gH-NP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:34:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EY5S4-00065R-TM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:34:08 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EY5S4-00065I-EM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 17:34:08 +0000 Received: from imo-m18.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.208]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EY6Ec-0006K8-86 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:24:19 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m18.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id l.1a0.4050d4d5 (16930) for ; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:33:58 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <1a0.4050d4d5.309cf586@aol.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 12:33:58 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 Subject: Re: LF: toothbrushes Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
In a message dated 04/11/2005 16:57:25 GMT Standard Time, hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com writes:
Im hoping to erect a reasonably large but lightweight temp 60m vertical here
in the near future but need to keep the insulator weight down to the minimum
- I see toothbrushes have been used in the past at the 400W level (?) but Im
going to be around that level and concerned over corona _ive made some
lightweight corona rings up but still concerned. I dont think Im going to be
able to top cap load so looking like something around 365pF and perhaps
>3.5mH to resonant

Any pointers and thouughts - yes its a helium lift
Don't compromise on the section joining the balloon to the wire.  I recall someone hitting the key for the first time and then seeing a puff of smoke and a kite flying unattached towards the French coast.
 
I think with a seriously high vertical the high voltage problems will be minimal. - That's not the case with a small vertical where the end voltages are huge!
 
Good luck!
 
David
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:57:23 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EY4sU-0000Xt-Ot for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:57:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EY4sU-0000Xl-LU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:57:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EY4qt-0005xC-M2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:55:43 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EY4qt-0005x3-7M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:55:43 +0000 Received: from bay102-f18.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.28] helo=hotmail.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EY5vE-00037g-Nl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 18:04:17 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:55:13 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 16:55:13 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2005 07:55:13 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 04 Nov 2005 16:55:13.0823 (UTC) FILETIME=[866B82F0:01C5E160] Subject: LF: toothbrushes Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Im hoping to erect a reasonably large but lightweight temp 60m vertical here in the near future but need to keep the insulator weight down to the minimum - I see toothbrushes have been used in the past at the 400W level (?) but Im going to be around that level and concerned over corona _ive made some lightweight corona rings up but still concerned. I dont think Im going to be able to top cap load so looking like something around 365pF and perhaps >3.5mH to resonant Any pointers and thouughts - yes its a helium lift.sys From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:37:59 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXniZ-0005FL-2D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:37:59 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXniY-0005F9-TE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:37:59 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXniT-0002Mx-2E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:37:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXniS-0002Mo-Kt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:37:52 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXoUi-0007yX-1F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:27:45 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-194.fen-net.de [212.204.117.74]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id jA3MbIDo027672 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:37:19 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <002701c5e0c9$c3aefa80$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:56:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: Re: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Thank you, Jean-Pierre, for your report.
Glad to hear from you. Will now keep the PA alone and look for a bed.
73    Walter
 
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jean-Pierre Méré <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Donnerstag, 3. November 2005 23:04
Betreff: Re: Re: LF: DI2AG

Hi Walter ,
I copy DI2AG now in JN06HT
 
iŸ} wi KN5× 4*g o0 tS s etie  ayng PSK31 ---
d-- DI2AG JN59NO 440.044 khz  aDng ruK31z--
lee-ee DIo Tne JNr9NO M.u4Ä®  tte e t s tè  te  :´
 
Many QSB this moment ! i logger the night
73 qro  Jean-Pierre       f1afj
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 10:48 PM
Subject: Re: {Spam?} Re: LF: DI2AG

Thanks again, Walter, for your report.
73   Walter
 
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Walter Blanchard <blanch@pncl.co.uk>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Donnerstag, 3. November 2005 21:47
Betreff: {Spam?} Re: LF: DI2AG

Now the interfering carrier at 050 has disappeared am (2030 UTC) beginning to get intermittent decodes but not a full set yet.
 
Walter G3JKV IO91UF
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:36:22 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXngz-0007zS-DV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:36:22 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXngz-0007yQ-9B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:36:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXngr-0002Ge-4O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:36:13 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXngq-0002GS-EM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:36:12 +0000 Received: from bay102-f39.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.49] helo=hotmail.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXokp-0001Hc-1d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:44:24 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 14:35:47 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:35:47 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: mcalevey@xtra.co.nz, vernall@xtra.co.nz, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 13:35:47 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 03 Nov 2005 22:35:47.0811 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF9CE330:01C5E0C6] Subject: LF: WOLF change in holwing frequency at XDW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit wd2xdw Freq move from around 2300Z 3rd November Im moving to 137.484 Khz this evening and will be off for a short whilst while TAG tests his "Jason song" Laurence KL1X em26aq bartlesville OK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:35:15 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXnfu-0004GA-6b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:35:15 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXnft-0004G0-SD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:35:14 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXnfZ-0002DN-FJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:34:53 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXnfZ-0002DE-4r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:34:53 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXoRm-0007vH-Jx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 23:24:45 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-194.fen-net.de [212.204.117.74]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id jA3MYEkS027276 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:34:15 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001801c5e0c9$560bf640$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:52:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id jA3MYEkS027276 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Ok, Walter. The 10sec. carrier is now inserted. 73 Walter -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Walter Blanchard An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: Donnerstag, 3. November 2005 22:56 Betreff: Re: LF: DI2AG >Now 2130 UTC receiving full msgs. >Walter G3JKV IO91UF > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:04:34 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXnCA-0006Vx-9V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:04:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXnC9-0006VQ-Rc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:04:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXnBx-00021r-5Z for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:04:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXnBw-00021i-Oh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:04:16 +0000 Received: from smtp5-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.35]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXnyB-0007bR-NH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:54:08 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (lns-bzn-43-82-249-144-168.adsl.proxad.net [82.249.144.168]) by smtp5-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 5260C96BF for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:04:14 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <000e01c5e0c2$86a4ed40$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003101c5e0c0$602e0ae0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 23:04:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: Re: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Walter ,
I copy DI2AG now in JN06HT
 
iŸ} wi KN5× 4*g o0 tS s etie  ayng PSK31 ---
d-- DI2AG JN59NO 440.044 khz  aDng ruK31z--
lee-ee DIo Tne JNr9NO M.u4Ä®  tte e t s tè  te  :´
 
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Thanks again, Walter, for your report.
73   Walter
 
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Datum: Donnerstag, 3. November 2005 21:47
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Now the interfering carrier at 050 has disappeared am (2030 UTC) beginning to get intermittent decodes but not a full set yet.
 
Walter G3JKV IO91UF
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:56:42 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXn4c-0004U8-3h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:56:42 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXn4c-0004U2-0U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:56:42 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXn41-0001tm-8m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:56:05 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXn40-0001td-Ui for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:56:04 +0000 Received: from olympus.pncl.co.uk ([195.224.180.233] helo=atlas.pncl.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXnqE-0007U7-0G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:45:56 +0000 Received: from AUG2004 ([84.12.25.12]) (authenticated bits=0) by atlas.pncl.co.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3LuAEN024544 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:56:10 GMT Message-ID: <001901c5e0c1$5b7ee540$2101a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001b01c5e0bd$def0f020$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:55:46 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Pinnacle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Pinnacle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: blanch@pncl.co.uk Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Now 2130 UTC receiving full msgs. Walter G3JKV IO91UF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:34:23 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXmiz-0006G1-UL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:34:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXmiz-0006EZ-Ov for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:34:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXmie-0001lI-Lx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:34:00 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXmie-0001l9-7S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:34:00 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXnmb-0000dZ-Ja for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:42:10 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-232.fen-net.de [212.204.117.112]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id jA3LU7F1017936 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:30:07 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <003101c5e0c0$602e0ae0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:48:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: {Spam?} Re: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Thanks again, Walter, for your report.
73   Walter
 
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Walter Blanchard <blanch@pncl.co.uk>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Donnerstag, 3. November 2005 21:47
Betreff: {Spam?} Re: LF: DI2AG

Now the interfering carrier at 050 has disappeared am (2030 UTC) beginning to get intermittent decodes but not a full set yet.
 
Walter G3JKV IO91UF
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:28:10 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXmcz-0007tz-JM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:28:10 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXmcz-0007sz-Cd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:28:09 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXmce-0001fx-UK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:27:48 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXmce-0001fo-CA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:27:48 +0000 Received: from imo-d22.mx.aol.com ([205.188.144.208]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXngb-0000Zt-FO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:35:58 +0000 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-d22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r6.3.) id l.e2.1fe12226 (17526) for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:27:36 -0500 (EST) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:27:36 EST To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 Subject: Re: LF: low pass filter for power use Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
In a message dated 03/11/2005 16:23:39 GMT Standard Time, dl4eau@t-online.de writes:

Hi Lf's
in all circuit diagrams I find filters like 12nF---->54uH---->27nF----->54uH----->12nF
here is the 3db point at 250khz.
Has anyone test a filter in this configuration 47nF-----> 54uH----->82nF------54uH----->47nF
here is the 3db point at 147khz.
The 2. filter gives a better suppress of the harmonics!
Wat is the reason that all use the fist one?

best 73' Tom DL4EAU

Lower insertion loss.
 
At 1200 Watts every 0.1dB counts.   and with a push pull design, the second harmonic should be very low.....it's the odd order harmonics you need to worry about.
 
Regards
 
David
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:13:01 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXmOL-0007jK-3H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:13:01 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXmOK-0007j4-VP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:13:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXmO4-0001XR-EL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:12:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXmO4-0001XI-3h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:12:44 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXnAI-0006ux-B3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:02:35 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-232.fen-net.de [212.204.117.112]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id jA3LCBqh014455 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:12:11 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <001b01c5e0bd$def0f020$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 22:30:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by hugo.fen-net.de id jA3LCBqh014455 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Good evening, Hartmut. Thanks for the clear and strong report. I should generate a more interesting message, hi. Ok with the total bandwidth of 50Hz and the center with 25Hz. Thanks a lot. 73 Walter -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Hartmut Wolff An: Walter Staubach Datum: Donnerstag, 3. November 2005 21:33 Betreff: Re: LF: DI2AG >Hi Walter, >full copy of the message with no errors. Attached a screenshot of the >signal. > > >73 >Hartmut From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:53:49 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXm5i-00014J-U1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:53:49 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXm5i-00011w-D8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:53:46 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXm54-0001NQ-Bj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:53:06 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXm51-0001NH-Ep for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:53:03 +0000 Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.140]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXn8x-0000GQ-Gf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 22:01:12 +0000 Received: (qmail 52892 invoked from network); 3 Nov 2005 20:52:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?213.122.60.71?) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.60.71 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Nov 2005 20:52:51 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.1.362 [267.12.8/161]); Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:53:20 +0000 Message-ID: <001901c5e0b8$9fac4a40$473c7ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:53:20 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: low pass filter for power use Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear Tom, LF Group,
 
There are 2 main requirements for a TX output filter
 
a) Attenuate harmonics to acceptable level
b) Provide the right load impedance for the PA - usually a pure resistance at the output frequency.
 
Usually, the impedance at the input of the filter is made the same as the load, I assume 50R. There are a number of ways of doing this:
 
1) Design a Butterworth, etc. low-pass filter for a cut-off frequency well above the TX frequency - The cut-off frequency needs to be high because the input impedance of the filter becomes highly reactive near cut-off. Fortunately, push-pull PAs produce very little second harmonic, so the filter can have a fairly high cut-off frequency and still attenuate the 3rd and higher harmonics. The G3YXM design appears to have a Butterworth response with f-3dB at 245kHz - it gives about 30dB attenuation at 411kHz, depending on the PA output impedance. The filter input impedance is nearly ideal at (50.2 - j0.2)R.
 
2) Design an odd - order Chebyshev or elliptic filter with ripple in the passband, such that the TX frequency coincides with the peak of the last ripple before the cut-off frequency, where the insertion loss is exactly 0dB. This condition ensures that the input impedance of the filter will be exactly 50R at the TX frequency. It will be possible to get higher harmonic attenuation this way, but will require more accurate components to get the desired response, with higher ratings due to the higher reactive currents.
 
3) Design the filter as a matching network with equal 50R input and output frequencies. For example a symmetrical pi-network with XC = Ro/Q, XL = 2QRo/(Q^2 +1). Two of these put together makes a good filter; for example if Q = 1, XC = 50R, XL = 50R, and you get a filter that is 23.2n/58.1u/46.5n/58.1u/23.2n, and gives about 45dB attenuation of the 3rd harmonic (and about 25dB of the second harmonic). This is the "half wave" filter that has been used a lot with HF transmitters. You can get higher harmonic attenuation with greater Q, with the drawback of higher circulating currents / more critical tolerances. You can get quite adequate results with Q as low as 0.5.
 
4) Design an output network to achieve particular time-domain waveforms, e.g. the class E designs by G3NYK.
 
5) errm... that's all I can think of now :-)
 
The 47nF-----> 54uH----->82nF------54uH----->47nF filter does give higher harmonic attenuation than the G3YXM design, and has an input impedance of around (75-j6)R at 137.5k. But  reactance and resistance vary rapidly around this frequency, between 50 and 95R and j0R and -j85R, so small component value, load, or frequency changes could lead to the impedance varying a great deal. This is perhaps why it causes some problems.
 
With a linear PA that delivers a sinusoidal voltage or current to the load, you mostly only have to worry about getting the right impedance match at the TX frequency - but with non-linear amplifiers like class D, you also really need to think about the waveforms at the PA output - the filter effectively is part of the PA. Ideally, in a current-switching class D design (as most are), the load should be a high Q parallel-tuned tank circuit - this requires a filter with a shunt capacitor at the input, allthough in practice the Q is not very critical, and can be 1 or less with only slight loss in efficiency. Voltage-switching class D circuits (e.g. Decca) require a series-tuned tank. Also, some amplifiers need a load that is inductive or capacitive at high frequencies for stability. For example, the modified audio PAs are often unstable with a capacitive load, so require a filter with a series inductor at the input, so a T network instead of a pi network.
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 4:21 PM
Subject: LF: low pass filter for power use

Hi Lf's
in all circuit diagrams I find filters like 12nF---->54uH---->27nF----->54uH----->12nF
here is the 3db point at 250khz.
Has anyone test a filter in this configuration 47nF-----> 54uH----->82nF------54uH----->47nF
here is the 3db point at 147khz.
The 2. filter gives a better suppress of the harmonics!
Wat is the reason that all use the fist one?

best 73' Tom DL4EAU

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:47:28 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXlzb-000756-Pa for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:47:28 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXlzb-00074u-K3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:47:27 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXlyi-0001II-CP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:46:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXlyh-0001I9-S9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:46:31 +0000 Received: from olympus.pncl.co.uk ([195.224.180.233] helo=atlas.pncl.co.uk) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXn2e-0000Bf-Ah for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:54:41 +0000 Received: from AUG2004 (81-6-216-202.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [81.6.216.202]) (authenticated bits=0) by atlas.pncl.co.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3KkdQ1011564 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:46:39 GMT Message-ID: <001b01c5e0b7$a57d0c80$2101a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c5e005$e2d511c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <436A5188.4090405@freenet.de> <1EXjkr-16b9Rw0@fwd31.aul.t-online.de> <436A6893.7090907@freenet.de> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 20:46:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Pinnacle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Pinnacle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Pinnacle-MailScanner-SpamScore: ss X-MailScanner-From: blanch@pncl.co.uk Subject: {Spam?} Re: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Now the interfering carrier at 050 has disappeared am (2030 UTC) beginning to get intermittent decodes but not a full set yet.
 
Walter G3JKV IO91UF
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:33:08 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXllj-0002uJ-Rl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:33:08 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXllj-0002tk-GR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:33:07 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXllA-0001B4-PQ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:32:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXllA-0001Av-3I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:32:32 +0000 Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.19]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXmp5-0008VT-Hc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:40:41 +0000 Received: from fwd27.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EXll6-0001nn-07; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 21:32:28 +0100 Received: from HW1 (TcXE4gZUgeCZX6MHzFa2igf6xaQPboq6+0Shj4MxBaHb8IzshHELQq@[84.133.93.17]) by fwd27.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1EXlky-1JPZk80; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:32:20 +0100 Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 21:32:15 +0100 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <108557426.20051103213215@t-online.de> To: Walter Staubach In-Reply-To: <000901c5e005$e2d511c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> References: <000901c5e005$e2d511c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: TcXE4gZUgeCZX6MHzFa2igf6xaQPboq6+0Shj4MxBaHb8IzshHELQq X-TOI-MSGID: 63d2c4ed-b2df-4ddb-b51a-176c4b361aaf Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030906070707070004050508" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030906070707070004050508 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Walter, full copy of the message with no errors. 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Nov 2005 19:45:26 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXl1V-00083x-Cs for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:45:25 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXl1U-00082z-AB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:45:20 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXl0f-0000y0-6u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:44:29 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXl0e-0000xr-Dm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:44:28 +0000 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXlmq-0005nl-1Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:34:18 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.147] (helo=mx4.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.53-RC2) id 1EXl0b-0000BB-7E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:44:25 +0100 Received: from p5486a2f1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.162.241] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx4.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.54 #12) id 1EXl0Z-00006J-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 20:44:25 +0100 Message-ID: <436A6893.7090907@freenet.de> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:44:19 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c5e005$e2d511c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> <436A5188.4090405@freenet.de> <1EXjkr-16b9Rw0@fwd31.aul.t-online.de> In-Reply-To: <1EXjkr-16b9Rw0@fwd31.aul.t-online.de> Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080206060608050602030604" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080206060608050602030604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Uwe,
Yes, the bits & bytes of the message finally made it through. Must have been a congestion somewhere ;-)

At the moment, DI2AG is almost swamped by a carrier on 440.050 kHz, the PSK-modulation is now weaker here than two hours ago (and only fractions of Walters message are decoded). But the unmodulated dashes are still visible:


The red diamond marks the center frequency of the PSK signal.
This was the last medium-wave I sent through the longwave-reflector; apologies for these "off-band" postings.
CU on LF... cheers,
 Wolf DL4YHF .

uwe-jannsen@t-online.de schrieb: 
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From: "uwe-jannsen@t-online.de" Message-ID: <1EXjkr-16b9Rw0@fwd31.aul.t-online.de> X-ID: ZXGFYgZdYelzxD5tKbuBIOx0lLZ2rM0LZqeQnr6Q--dk1zBG9BeH8c@t-dialin.net X-TOI-MSGID: 716ec50f-8da3-43e6-a3a2-9260cf001784 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) but it did! Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:05:39 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXjT1-0006jJ-Ed for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:05:39 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXjT1-0006j0-Ao for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:05:39 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXjSv-0000Uw-VS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:05:33 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXjSv-0000Un-J2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:05:33 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXkF6-0004MB-MG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:55:21 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.190] (helo=mx6.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.53-RC2) id 1EXjSs-00039U-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:05:30 +0100 Received: from p5486a2f1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.162.241] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx6.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.54 #12) id 1EXjSr-00061B-Ur for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:05:30 +0100 Message-ID: <436A5188.4090405@freenet.de> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:06:00 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c5e005$e2d511c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> In-Reply-To: <000901c5e005$e2d511c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) (previous message with embedded spectrogram didn't make it through, anyway...) Walter, now error-free copy of the DI2AG PSK31 message for a few minutes. 73, Wolf DL4YHF . Walter Staubach schrieb: > Dear friends, > DI2AG on 440.044KHz is now transmitting in PSK31 with 0.4W > ERP. Your reports are appreciated. > 73 Walter DJ2LF > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:01:31 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXjP0-0003Wy-Ft for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:01:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXjP0-0003WU-0P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:01:30 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXjOD-0000P5-5K for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:00:41 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXjOC-0000Ow-8D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:00:40 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXkS2-00073k-QF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:08:46 +0000 Received: from [194.97.55.148] (helo=mx5.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.53-RC2) id 1EXjO8-0007un-6b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:00:36 +0100 Received: from p5486a2f1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.162.241] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx5.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.54 #12) id 1EXjO6-0002pA-St for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 19:00:36 +0100 Message-ID: <436A505F.7000400@freenet.de> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:01:03 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c5e005$e2d511c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> In-Reply-To: <000901c5e005$e2d511c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010208000301080406020200" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010208000301080406020200 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Update on DI2AG PSK31:

After notching the carrier away (with a 16k-FFT-based filter), I had partial copy. The cleaned signal looks like this (with the strong carrier on 660 Hz "audio" removed) :

(no matter if the image makes it through the reflector).
RX: TS850 with attic dipole. Tuned to 440.04 kHz in "CW", audio center frequency is 654 Hz then.
Won't tell what the message said yet to keep the secrect ;-)

73,
  Wolf DL4YHF
   JO42FD


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from dl4eau (GM1n4+ZJZeH7u75P1oxdBfC5OUXwm+2TmUxwd4r79ePFktag98V8sX@[217.245.116.43]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1EXiWT-1rpADQ0; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:05:09 +0100 From: "Thomas Eckart" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 18:04:53 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20051103173148.0307fea8@u0019445.kuleuven.be> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ID: GM1n4+ZJZeH7u75P1oxdBfC5OUXwm+2TmUxwd4r79ePFktag98V8sX X-TOI-MSGID: 67f73d49-492c-4ab8-8a86-3185b4080250 Subject: AW: LF: low pass filter for power use Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false 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Hi Rik,
thanks for info!
Yes, I use the type 2. filter and there are some problems. I think to change to the "normal" one.
But my filter still works, but sometimes it is a little rough to tune the amplifier.
thanks,
Tom
 
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Von: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]Im Auftrag von Rik Strobbe
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 3. November 2005 17:37
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Betreff: Re: LF: low pass filter for power use

Hello Tom,

I believe the first one is the "G3YXM filter".
The pitfalls when using a 147 kHz filter might be:
- higher attenuation at 137 kHz
- more sensitive to changes of the antenna impedance (if the antenna is not 50 Ohm then it will affect the filter, largest changes are at frequencies close to the "filter slope").

73, Rik ON7YD

At 17:21 3/11/2005 +0100, you wrote:

Hi Lf's
in all circuit diagrams I find filters like 12nF---->54uH---->27nF----->54uH----->12nF
here is the 3db point at 250khz.
Has anyone test a filter in this configuration 47nF-----> 54uH----->82nF------54uH----->47nF
here is the 3db point at 147khz.
The 2. filter gives a better suppress of the harmonics!
Wat is the reason that all use the fist one?

best 73' Tom DL4EAU


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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:02:02 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXiTR-0007aT-3O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:02:02 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXiTQ-0007a5-V1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:02:01 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXiT4-0008Ve-I7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:01:38 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXiT4-0008VV-2k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:01:38 +0000 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXjFE-0003Hg-2f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:51:25 +0000 Received: from [194.97.50.135] (helo=mx2.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.53-RC2) id 1EXiT2-0003oz-BP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:01:36 +0100 Received: from p5486a2f1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.162.241] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx2.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.54 #12) id 1EXiT2-00014p-4M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 18:01:36 +0100 Message-ID: <436A4272.3090900@freenet.de> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:01:38 +0000 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c5e005$e2d511c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> In-Reply-To: <000901c5e005$e2d511c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Walter, The PSK31 signal is easily detecable on the waterfall, as a ~30 Hz wide band, which is interrupted by a more-or-less unmodulated signal for a couple of seconds (every minute). I didn't manage to decode it yet, because there is this strong Polish beacon within the PSK bandwidth (+/- 16 Hz). PSK 08 or even slower PSK-modes would certainly work better at this time of the day. But later in the evening, when DRE gets weaker than DI2AG, I will hopefully be able to decode a few characters. 73, Wolf DL4YHF . Walter Staubach schrieb: > Dear friends, > DI2AG on 440.044KHz is now transmitting in PSK31 with 0.4W > ERP. Your reports are appreciated. > 73 Walter DJ2LF > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:33:58 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXi2H-0002oK-Bj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:33:58 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXi2H-0002oB-3f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:33:57 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXi1g-0008Nb-Tm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:33:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXi1g-0008NS-Dd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:33:20 +0000 Received: from nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.41]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXino-0002qG-0R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:23:07 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABE7C4C474 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:33:11 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp01.kuleuven.be (octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.71]) by nibbel.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CD84C4CC for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:33:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp01.kuleuven.be (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1FFF63D82; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:33:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by smtp01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7968763D7C for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:33:10 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20051103173148.0307fea8@u0019445.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: u0019445@u0019445.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:37:20 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: References: <000901c5e005$e2d511c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster Subject: Re: LF: low pass filter for power use Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello Tom,

I believe the first one is the "G3YXM filter".
The pitfalls when using a 147 kHz filter might be:
- higher attenuation at 137 kHz
- more sensitive to changes of the antenna impedance (if the antenna is not 50 Ohm then it will affect the filter, largest changes are at frequencies close to the "filter slope").

73, Rik ON7YD

At 17:21 3/11/2005 +0100, you wrote:

Hi Lf's
in all circuit diagrams I find filters like 12nF---->54uH---->27nF----->54uH----->12nF
here is the 3db point at 250khz.
Has anyone test a filter in this configuration 47nF-----> 54uH----->82nF------54uH----->47nF
here is the 3db point at 147khz.
The 2. filter gives a better suppress of the harmonics!
Wat is the reason that all use the fist one?

best 73' Tom DL4EAU


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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:23:35 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXhsD-0001xX-Hw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:23:34 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXhsD-0001v7-CR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:23:33 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXhrx-0008HH-HC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:23:17 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXhrx-0008H8-1v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:23:17 +0000 Received: from mailout06.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.19]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXivl-0005ri-My for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:31:20 +0000 Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout06.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1EXhqt-0005UN-03; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:22:11 +0100 Received: from dl4eau (VO7v0-ZEwenmvacOQnLeWSeX+GY05O0ao0kWeSbIYut5DyB+Y00Z8J@[217.245.119.132]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1EXhqq-0xWoQy0; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:22:08 +0100 From: "Thomas Eckart" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:21:52 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000901c5e005$e2d511c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-ID: VO7v0-ZEwenmvacOQnLeWSeX+GY05O0ao0kWeSbIYut5DyB+Y00Z8J X-TOI-MSGID: d30153eb-46c1-41b1-a69b-9ddf01a4ec13 Subject: LF: low pass filter for power use Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Hi Lf's
in all circuit diagrams I find filters like 12nF---->54uH---->27nF----->54uH----->12nF
here is the 3db point at 250khz.
Has anyone test a filter in this configuration 47nF-----> 54uH----->82nF------54uH----->47nF
here is the 3db point at 147khz.
The 2. filter gives a better suppress of the harmonics!
Wat is the reason that all use the fist one?

best 73' Tom DL4EAU

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:14:09 +0000 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXhj6-0003id-Ln for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:14:09 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXhj6-0003iK-Dw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:14:08 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXhij-0008Ao-QS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:13:45 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXhii-0008Af-VV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:13:45 +0000 Received: from rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be ([134.58.240.42]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXimZ-0005kv-77 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:21:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66E21D752B for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:13:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp01.kuleuven.be (octavianus.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be [134.58.240.71]) by rusty.kulnet.kuleuven.ac.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF1D81D7527 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:13:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from smtp01.kuleuven.be (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by smtp01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CD6563D82; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:13:03 +0100 (CET) Received: from dell-rik.fys.kuleuven.be (pc-10-33-165-177.fys.kuleuven.ac.be [10.33.165.177]) by smtp01.kuleuven.be (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49B8F63D76 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:13:02 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.0.20051103171121.0312b628@u0019445.kuleuven.be> X-Sender: u0019445@u0019445.kuleuven.be X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:17:11 +0100 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Rik Strobbe In-Reply-To: <003401c5e08d$979a2780$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by KULeuven Antivirus Cluster Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: DI2AG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070505050807060406000003" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070505050807060406000003 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello Walter (DJ2LF, to avoid confusion),

just an idea: is it possible to insert a steady carrier (10 sec. or so) every 1 or 2 minutes. That could make it easier to tune into the signal. As you mention the PSK signal has a 10 Hz bandwidth, what means that the power is "smeared" over this 10 Hz and the weak PSK signal is difficult to detect with ARGO.

73, Rik ON7YD

At 16:45 3/11/2005 +0100, you wrote:
Dear Walter,
          thanks for the screenshot. At what time did you take it? The modulator and the software was built by Markus, DF6NM, and installed at about 22utc yesterday evening. I think the weak signal cannot be DI2AG, because it should be seen exactly at the ref. sig. and the bandwidth is about +/- 10Hz.
Thanks for testing, Walter.
73    Walter
 
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Walter Blanchard <blanch@pncl.co.uk>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Donnerstag, 3. November 2005 11:16
Betreff: LF: Re: DI2AG
Walter,
 
 
LF Re Re DI2AG.jpg
 
Is this is you about 1.5 Hz high ?
Too weak to decode on PSK 31.
 
Walter G3JKV IO91UF.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Walter Staubach
To: RSGB LF
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 11:33 PM
Subject: LF: DI2AG

Dear friends,
          DI2AG on 440.044KHz is now transmitting in PSK31 with 0.4W ERP. Your reports are appreciated.
73   Walter    DJ2LF
 


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Dear Walter,
          thanks for the screenshot. At what time did you take it? The modulator and the software was built by Markus, DF6NM, and installed at about 22utc yesterday evening. I think the weak signal cannot be DI2AG, because it should be seen exactly at the ref. sig. and the bandwidth is about +/- 10Hz.
Thanks for testing, Walter.
73    Walter
 
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Walter Blanchard <blanch@pncl.co.uk>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Donnerstag, 3. November 2005 11:16
Betreff: LF: Re: DI2AG

Walter,
 
 
 
Is this is you about 1.5 Hz high ? 
Too weak to decode on PSK 31.
 
Walter G3JKV IO91UF.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
To: RSGB LF
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 11:33 PM
Subject: LF: DI2AG

Dear friends,
          DI2AG on 440.044KHz is now transmitting in PSK31 with 0.4W ERP. Your reports are appreciated.
73   Walter    DJ2LF
 
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15:32:18 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXh3g-0007wW-Nw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:31:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXh3g-0007wN-Bj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 15:31:20 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXhpo-0001q7-SB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 16:21:06 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-129.fen-net.de [212.204.117.9]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id jA3FUmG2008014 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:30:48 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <004301c5e08e$2cd28860$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 16:49:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: LF: Re: Re: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear Jean-Pierre,
           thanks for your info. I am curious what will happen.
73   Walter
 
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Jean-Pierre Méré <jpm.f1afj@online.fr>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Donnerstag, 3. November 2005 09:08
Betreff: LF: Re: DI2AG

Hi Walter,
        I will assemble something today to receive the 44O kHz in PSK , I will record the next night,
73  Jean-Pierre F1AFJ  in JN06ht
----- Original Message -----
To: RSGB LF
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:33 AM
Subject: LF: DI2AG

Dear friends,
          DI2AG on 440.044KHz is now transmitting in PSK31 with 0.4W ERP. Your reports are appreciated.
73   Walter    DJ2LF
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:16:23 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXc8r-0001LN-Px for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:16:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXc8r-0001Kc-IP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:16:21 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXc8G-0007IE-3o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:15:44 +0000 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXc8F-0007I5-NI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 10:15:43 +0000 Received: from olympus.pncl.co.uk ([195.224.180.233] helo=atlas.pncl.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXcuJ-0005pO-8q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 11:05:24 +0000 Received: from AUG2004 (84-12-194-142.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [84.12.194.142] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by atlas.pncl.co.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id jA3ADaJG023233 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:13:40 GMT Message-ID: <001001c5e05f$39416870$2101a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c5e005$e2d511c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 10:13:09 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Pinnacle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Pinnacle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Pinnacle-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-MailScanner-From: blanch@pncl.co.uk Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070707030601040502020202" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070707030601040502020202 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Walter,
 
 
 
Is this is you about 1.5 Hz high ? 
Too weak to decode on PSK 31.
 
Walter G3JKV IO91UF.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
To: RSGB LF
Sent: Wednesday, November 02, 2005 11:33 PM
Subject: LF: DI2AG

Dear friends,
          DI2AG on 440.044KHz is now transmitting in PSK31 with 0.4W ERP. Your reports are appreciated.
73   Walter    DJ2LF
 
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RAULT" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: fr, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Liste LF RSGB Subject: LF: [Fwd: Re: LF paradise ?] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Sorry again For the second time within a few weeks, Ijust forwarded on the RSGB VLF list a message expected to be sent on the french VLF list. Mea culpa ! Jean-Louis F6AGR Jean-L. RAULT a écrit : > Bonjour à tous > > Me voilà de retour d'une 'tite virée en Baie de Somme (QRA locator > JO00SF). > > Découvert là un paradis potentiel pour les LF, VLF & ELF (voir photos > dans le répertoire Photos, "Baie de Somme" de cette liste): > > - plusieurs milliers d'hectares sans aucunes constructions, lignes > EDF, arbres ou quelconques obstacles > - situation en bord de mer, dégagement 100% sur 360° > - niveau très bas de parasites industriels > - accessible en voiture (certaines zônes 24h/24, d'autres en fonction > de la marée) > - terrains type polders au sol gorgé d'eau saumâtre (à part la pleine > mer, on ne peut réver de meilleur plan de sol) > - vent garanti autorisant les manips d'antennes cerf-volants les plus > folles > > 73 de Jean-Louis F6AGR > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:07:52 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXa8S-0005i5-Mw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:07:52 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXa8S-0005hQ-GI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:07:48 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXa80-0006nv-5t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:07:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXa7z-0006nm-N0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 08:07:19 +0000 Received: from smtp4-g19.free.fr ([212.27.42.30]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXbBg-0000aR-84 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:15:13 +0000 Received: from jpmpcportable (lns-bzn-43-82-249-144-168.adsl.proxad.net [82.249.144.168]) by smtp4-g19.free.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 9EFAE3FF1A for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:07:17 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <001701c5e04d$9a207850$0100a8c0@jpmpcportable> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jean-Pierre_M=E9r=E9?= To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000901c5e005$e2d511c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 09:07:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Walter,
        I will assemble something today to receive the 44O kHz in PSK , I will record the next night,
73  Jean-Pierre F1AFJ  in JN06ht
----- Original Message -----
To: RSGB LF
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2005 12:33 AM
Subject: LF: DI2AG

Dear friends,
          DI2AG on 440.044KHz is now transmitting in PSK31 with 0.4W ERP. Your reports are appreciated.
73   Walter    DJ2LF
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:17:31 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXRrC-00053V-Uc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:17:31 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EXRrC-00051S-M6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:17:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EXRpd-0005kc-I3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:15:49 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EXRpd-0005kT-0q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 23:15:49 +0000 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EXSt7-0003v8-Dj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 00:23:31 +0000 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-147.fen-net.de [212.204.117.27]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id jA2NFGaq025494 for ; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 00:15:17 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <000901c5e005$e2d511c0$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Thu, 3 Nov 2005 00:33:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.86.1, clamav-milter version 0.86 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear friends,
          DI2AG on 440.044KHz is now transmitting in PSK31 with 0.4W ERP. Your reports are appreciated.
73   Walter    DJ2LF
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:47:30 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EX5qg-0007r8-Tx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:47:30 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EX5qg-0007qd-OE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:47:26 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EX5po-00037F-Iz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:46:32 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EX5po-000376-5v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 23:46:32 +0000 Received: from gemini.smart.net ([66.225.112.69]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EX6sp-0006fA-UN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 02 Nov 2005 00:53:45 +0000 Received: from HOST (core-balt-3-24.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [209.163.118.24]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA03575 for ; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:44:31 -0500 Message-ID: <000301c5df3e$302f4da0$0100a8c0@HOST> From: "chastant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2005 18:43:49 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: WOlf 137.422 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Early evening copy de Lloyd W3NF 2005-11-01 23:19:12 >WOLF -r 8000 -f 422 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 Wolf copy by W3NF FM19MH t: 24 f:-0.605 a: 0.9 dp: 68.5 ci:14 cj:164 9W B6U46J.PJOY2 ? t: 48 f: 0.171 a: 1.3 dp: 67.7 ci: 5 cj:325 TIG6*UZ.9B7GI 6 ? t: 96 f:-0.756 a:-0.8 dp: 64.3 ci:11 cj:423 QZVME4Q4O3OR/YX ? t: 192 f:-0.654 pm:2.374 jm:831 q:-15.1 -6.3 YCWIKB1UVI ICRU - t: 288 f: 0.146 pm:7.713 jm:957 q: -4.5 -3.3 WD2XDW WOLF USA - t: 384 f: 0.146 pm:16.37 jm:957 q: -1.3 -0.9 WD2XDW WOLF USA - t: 480 f: 0.146 pm:28.65 jm:957 q: 0.9 1.0 WD2XDW WOLF USA - t: 576 f: 0.146 pm:41.57 jm:957 q: 1.9 1.8 WD2XDW WOLF USA - t: 672 f: 0.146 pm:58.30 jm:957 q: 3.4 3.5 WD2XDW WOLF USA - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence KL1X" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 4:16 PM Subject: LF: WOlf 137.422 > WD2XDW will be running WOLF overnight on 137.422 KHz, probably starting at > 2300Z > > Laurence KL1X/5 > em26aq > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:17:24 +0000 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EX3VS-00058T-J6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:17:23 +0000 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1EX3VS-000583-Ar for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:17:22 +0000 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1EX3US-0002pC-DL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:16:20 +0000 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1EX3UR-0002p3-Ev for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:16:19 +0000 Received: from bay102-f33.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.43] helo=hotmail.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1EX4XQ-00058B-2e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 22:23:29 +0000 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 1 Nov 2005 13:16:15 -0800 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 01 Nov 2005 21:16:15 GMT X-Originating-IP: [138.32.32.44] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 12:16:15 -0900 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Nov 2005 21:16:15.0844 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E790240:01C5DF29] Subject: LF: WOlf 137.422 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit WD2XDW will be running WOLF overnight on 137.422 KHz, probably starting at 2300Z Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq