From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:28:35 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Do7WM-0005sx-TA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:28:35 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Do7WM-0005sW-Oo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:28:34 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Do7Vp-00076U-8V for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:28:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Do7Vo-00076L-S7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:28:00 +0100 Received: from mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.147]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Do7Wv-0000nz-0w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:29:11 +0100 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050630222741.EVDR23939.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:27:41 +1200 Received: from bob2l2u6k2n1g3 ([210.86.94.100]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050630222741.BHNN4411.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:27:41 +1200 Message-ID: <002201c57dc2$f73302d0$e801a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <31811550.1120168498528.JavaMail.www@wwinf3203> Date: Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:23:16 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: Re: Re: LF: 756 PRO III on LF? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Steve and others,
 
To add to the reports of Icom receiving characteristics, my ''756 Pro2 shows the increasing noise on the bandscope below about 200 kHz but it is not obvious in the receiver channel (the bandscope is a separate fixed gain receiver and visual display, the receiver path has AGC and filter selection, etc, but both use the same conversion oscillator that does the main tuning and thus gives tracking of the bandscope).  Some account would need to be taken of a droop in response at lower frequencies of the front end RF transformers, and I understand this is less in the Pro3 than the Pro2.  It would need some SINAD tests to show if there is a increasing "phase noise" penalty with tuning lower on LF.
 
My receiver of choice for LF is a TS-850, and while it too has some droop with RF response across LF, the external QRN is still the dominant noise source.
 
73, Bob ZL2CA
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:45:49 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Do7n2-0001DK-Ma for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:45:49 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Do7n2-0001DB-Ht for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:45:48 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Do7mn-0007CD-9J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:45:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Do7mm-0007C4-PZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:45:32 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Do7nt-0000qp-VY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 23:46:43 +0100 Received: from p1i5f0 (unknown [204.244.17.86]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4A78AB6E5D for ; Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:45:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001301c57dc5$f8248760$5611f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <31811550.1120168498528.JavaMail.www@wwinf3203> <002201c57dc2$f73302d0$e801a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 15:49:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: Re: Re: LF: 756 PRO III on LF? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
Interesting Bob. I'll have to ask Ralph if he can actually 'hear' the noise that is showing up on the scope.
Tnx for your input.
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:02:45 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DvfNd-0004Tc-Is for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:02:45 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DvfNd-0004TS-Be for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:02:45 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DvfN3-0002nS-Ob for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:02:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DvfN3-0002nJ-1r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:02:09 +0100 Received: from bay102-f12.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.22] helo=hotmail.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dvfbo-00009F-10 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:17:25 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:02:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:02:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.200] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, hifer@lwca.org Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:02:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2005 18:02:01.0415 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B580570:01C58E1E] Subject: LF: WD2XDW off Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Signals from XDW on 137Khz and 13Mhz are offair till 31st July Laurence em26aq KL1X/WD2XDW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:37:33 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DtF8u-0000tQ-P1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:37:33 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DtF8u-0000tJ-AQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:37:32 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DtF8B-0008Fk-Hs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:36:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DtF8A-0008Fb-HW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:36:46 +0100 Received: from bay102-f42.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.52] helo=hotmail.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DtFJf-0002M0-OX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:48:40 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:36:37 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.205 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 01:36:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.205] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:36:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2005 01:36:37.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[A445B970:01C588DD] Subject: LF: XDW onb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit XDW on 0130z qrss90 137.7752/6 500W output - old exciter. Vy 73 Laurence KL1X WD2XDW em26aq okie From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:14:19 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsOKm-0006WD-EV for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:14:18 +0100 Received: from mail10.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.84]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsOKl-0006TD-Ev for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:14:15 +0100 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail10.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6CHBUhv004901; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:13:38 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA24914 for lowfer-14416503; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-f42.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.52]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA24903 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:10:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.206 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:10:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.206] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: [LW] WD2XDW status Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:10:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2005 17:10:55.0004 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9E715C0:01C58704] Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit XDW power was reduced by 1.5dB at 0630CST this morning and will revert to normal at Oklalhoma dusk this evening. Daytime temps in the coupler are over 110degF ambient I need to paint the enclosure white and not dark Blue. Part 5 Signals 137.7750-137.7755 Khz 130 sec or so staircase stepped carrier upwards in 0.08Hz or so increments - with cw id. XDW will close down on either the 18th or 19th July and may not return for some time. Laurence KL1X wd2xdw em26aq oklahoma http://myweb.cableone.net/flow ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:46:22 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DqYZy-00050g-9Z for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:46:22 +0100 Received: from mail8.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.82]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DqYZy-000506-0H for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 16:46:22 +0100 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail8.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j67FhX17030691; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 15:45:08 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA20033 for lowfer-14416503; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:44:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hotmail.com (bay102-f7.bay102.hotmail.com [64.4.61.17]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA20029 for ; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 11:44:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 08:42:58 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.206 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 15:42:58 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.206] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Subject: [LW] XDW Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 07:42:58 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Jul 2005 15:42:58.0827 (UTC) FILETIME=[8CFD9DB0:01C5830A] Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit With the continued stable air (for the next day or so anyway) XDW continues to be on +24 hrs on 137.7755 Khz or so DFCW 90 0.2Hz shift/CW at >500W output into the Loop Laurence kl1x em26aq oklhahoma wd2xdw part 5 http://myweb.cableone.net/flow ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 10:02:00 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DqSGd-0000vk-La for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 10:02:00 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DqSGd-0000vS-Gv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 10:01:59 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DqSGG-0004WC-4m for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 10:01:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DqSGF-0004W3-C8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 10:01:35 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DqSJi-0000xN-1i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 10:05:15 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (cmsout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.32]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D95BF4C897; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 09:01:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:01:22 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID975JggJBw6747X02 Received: from [192.168.0.6] [151.46.130.220] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 877JggJBu0081M36; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 09:01:20 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.46.130.220 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.6] Message-ID: <42CCEF5F.4070908@usa.net> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:01:19 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org References: <15845620.1120723503572.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> In-Reply-To: <15845620.1120723503572.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> Z-USANET-MsgId: XID877JggJBV0081X36 Subject: LF: No software patents in EU ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) The European Parliament has ditched the proposal on the patentability of software and other computer-related inventions. What will Billy The Kid do now ? Will he dismiss Europe as a market ? Let's see if he will stand behind what he said a few months ago... http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-142089-16&type=News 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 07 Jul 2005 04:53:06 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DqNRh-0001PS-Qi for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 04:53:06 +0100 Received: from mail6.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.80]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DqNRh-0001Oy-Gq for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Thu, 07 Jul 2005 04:53:05 +0100 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail6.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j673nOR2001564; Thu, 7 Jul 2005 03:52:24 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14037 for lowfer-14416503; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:49:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from priv-edmwes26.telusplanet.net (defout.telus.net [204.209.205.55]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA14033 for ; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 23:49:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edmwes26.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050707034842.KWVX13611.priv-edmwes26.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Wed, 6 Jul 2005 21:48:42 -0600 Message-ID: <022c01c582a7$1e41b860$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Subject: [LW] ZL on 2200m when? Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 20:51:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I require the dates that ZL was allowed to begin amateur operation on 2200m.
 
Does anyone have a list of non-CEPT countries that allow 2200m amateur operation?
 
Thanks
Scott
 
 
 
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:06:58 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DoMAT-0006Mt-PK for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:06:58 +0100 Received: from mail7.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.81]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DoMAT-0006MG-EY for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 15:06:57 +0100 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail7.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j61E3O9t009089; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 14:05:30 GMT Received: by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA17180 for lowfer-14416503; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:03:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA17176 for ; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 10:03:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 204.127.197.114 ([204.127.197.114]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005070114023301300rnrk9e>; Fri, 1 Jul 2005 14:02:43 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by 204.127.197.114; Fri, 01 Jul 2005 14:02:30 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb lf reflector , LWCA LF Reflector Subject: [LW] WD2XGJ Change of Hours Date: Fri, 01 Jul 2005 14:02:30 +0000 Message-Id: <070120051402.7843.42C54CF6000CFE8F00001EA322007503300B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit WD2XGJ will be transmitting from 0000 - 0501 UTC for the next couple of weeks. This should cover the period of mutual darkness from here to EU. Also, thanks to Hartmut for the nice summer captures. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:54:05 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzLky-0005TV-EE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:54:04 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzLky-0005TI-6w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:54:04 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DzLkL-00075z-DC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:53:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DzLkK-00075p-Q7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 22:53:24 +0100 Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.136]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DzLx0-00035J-Jm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 23:06:33 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id l.be.2de27541 (16781) for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:53:11 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:53:11 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 Subject: Re: LF: Suitable ground? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear J.B. and LF,

a deep well in high-impedance soil - add a long wire flat on the ground, and you could get a rather efficient (magnetic) earth-antenna! They've done it on a larger scale, at the Clam Lake ELF transmitter facility:

http://enterprise.spawar.navy.mil/getfile.cfm?contentId=214

73 de Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:08:21 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzK6e-0001No-9P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:08:20 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzK6d-0001Nd-Tw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:08:20 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DzK6u-0006xk-3p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:08:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DzK6t-0006xb-4q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:08:35 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DzKJY-0002n6-Px for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:21:42 +0100 Received: from p1i5f0 (unknown [204.244.17.116]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id B9F6FB72A8 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:08:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <004b01c5960b$db43fdc0$7411f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000f01c5826e$6006a9b0$0c01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> <001f01c582be$4affc380$0400a8c0@router> <002f01c59558$a62f3720$5e11f4cc@p1i5f0> <001501c595bb$834a3a30$0301a8c0@p1800> <008201c595ef$ec3d7460$6311f4cc@p1i5f0> <002e01c59606$7114dcd0$021d5dd5@MARLEEN> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:10:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: European Tube Question (OT) Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Message
 
Tnx William!
 
Steve,
The Siemens RS1003 is used in the Rohde&Schwarz ( German made ) valve transmitter type SK-010 as described in the Surplusradio bulletin no 18 february 2000 from the dutch surplus radio society . An equivalent type SRS 551 was made by the VEB Fernsehelektronik in East Germany  when East Germany still existed . Website SRS www.xs4all.nl~srsnl  E-mails pa3dxi@amsat.org .
73,William PAØWFO 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:31:45 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzJXE-0001Dg-NA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:31:45 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzJXE-0001Da-Ih for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:31:44 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DzJX7-0006rK-P0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:31:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DzJX7-0006rB-8C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:31:37 +0100 Received: from amsfep11-int.chello.nl ([213.46.243.19] helo=amsfep19-int.chello.nl) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DzJqj-0003Fl-Nw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:51:56 +0100 Received: from MARLEEN ([213.93.29.2]) by amsfep19-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050731193125.KVFK18546.amsfep19-int.chello.nl@MARLEEN> for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:31:25 +0200 Message-ID: <002e01c59606$7114dcd0$021d5dd5@MARLEEN> From: "PA0WFO" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000f01c5826e$6006a9b0$0c01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> <001f01c582be$4affc380$0400a8c0@router> <002f01c59558$a62f3720$5e11f4cc@p1i5f0> <001501c595bb$834a3a30$0301a8c0@p1800> <008201c595ef$ec3d7460$6311f4cc@p1i5f0> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 21:31:25 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: European Tube Question (OT) Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Message
Steve,
The Siemens RS1003 is used in the Rohde&Schwarz ( German made ) valve transmitter type SK-010 as described in the Surplusradio bulletin no 18 february 2000 from the dutch surplus radio society . An equivalent type SRS 551 was made by the VEB Fernsehelektronik in East Germany  when East Germany still existed . Website SRS www.xs4all.nl~srsnl  E-mails pa3dxi@amsat.org .
73,William PAØWFO 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 6:50 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Re: European Tube Question (OT)

>RS1003 Siemens
Yes Federico...that's the one. Has anyone seen this tube used in anything?
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:23:35 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzJPK-0006fn-J9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:23:35 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzJPK-0006fQ-ET for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:23:34 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DzJPF-0006mr-DS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:23:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DzJPE-0006mi-UF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:23:28 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([216.148.227.89] helo=rwcrmhc12.comcast.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DzJis-0003EN-1U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 20:43:48 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.2] (pcp08521272pcs.lebnon01.pa.comcast.net[69.139.251.25]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005073119231201400h4afce>; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:23:17 +0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.300 [267.9.6]); Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:23:12 +0000 From: Steve Dove To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:21:59 -0000 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Organization: d s p In-Reply-To: <000e01c59564$475750a0$9a952ed8@server> Message-Id: <1W4XGDRLWQWVOGFEB93L64D0UTB64W.42ed24d7@Charlie_Drake> X-Mailer: Opera 6.04 build 1135 Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Suitable ground? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi J.B., Here on top of a ridge, I've become quite 'well' acquainted with wells various. Ask me sometime about the dowser, how accurate he was, and why the well- driller hates him. And me. Well heads tend to be less useful as RF or even safety grounds than would be expected; after all a big chunk of metal in a deep hole sounds ideal, right? Except for a few things: The steel almost certainly doesn't go all the way down the well, indeed current practice here (Pennsylvania) is for just the top length (10 - 20' or so) to be steel, the rest plastic, and then only down until the soil/rock is capable of holding the bore by itself, which often isn't far down at all. Secondly, steel rapidly acquires a patina of rust, which makes for a lousy metal-to-dirt electrical interface. Thirdly, if it is an active well (i.e. there's a pump at the bottom of it) the electrical noise of the pump running, or at the very least ker- chunking on and off will induce itself into your ground and hence the antenna system; in the same vein, there will be close coupling between general mains- borne noise and your ground system, which again the receiver will hear - especially so if the casing is used as a local safety ground for the pump. All that said, give it a try. At the very least the run-out to the well-head will make a good radial/counterpoise. But don't count on the well as the keystone to a decent RF ground. Cheers, Steve http://www.w3eee.com 07/30/05 22:53:15, "J. B. Weazle McCreath" wrote: > > > From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" > > To: > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:53:15 +0100 > Subject:LF: Suitable ground? > > > > Hello LFer's, > > The soil at my QTH is composed mostly of gravel, which makes getting a > decent ground for RF purposes rather difficult for two reasons, driving in > > ground rods, and > poor soil conductivity. However, about 150 feet from my house is a water > well in > the form of an 8 inch diameter steel pipe that goes down 275 feet! Has > > anyone > on the list had any experience using such as a ground for a Marconi antenna? > > Cheers, J.B. > VE3EAR - VE3WZL > > EN93dr > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 267.9.6 - Release Date: 07/27/05 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:07:53 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzIE4-0003NS-Bp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:07:53 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzIE4-0003N9-4x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:07:52 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DzIE4-0006fD-Ib for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:07:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DzIE4-0006f4-70 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:07:52 +0100 Received: from smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.14]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DzIQi-0002O9-E9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:20:57 +0100 Received: from [87.82.6.5] (helo=erica) by smarthost4.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1DzIE2-000Eeh-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:07:50 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c595fb$caf7e220$05065257@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001001c58ab2$0cd7acc0$dd088751@w4o8m9> <000e01c59564$475750a0$9a952ed8@server> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 19:14:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: LF: Re: Suitable ground? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) VE3EASR said: The soil at my QTH is composed mostly of gravel, which makes getting a decent ground for RF purposes rather difficult for two reasons, driving in ground rods, and poor soil conductivity. However, about 150 feet from my house is a water well in the form of an 8 inch diameter steel pipe that goes down 275 feet! Has anyone on the list had any experience using such as a ground for a Marconi antenna? ----------------------------------------------------------- In my experience the performance of different existing grounds for LF is hard to predict. The only thing is to try it. Note the differences in antenna current as you connect different grounds. Peter G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:48:43 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzGzT-0005Z8-6X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:48:43 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzGzS-0005Z0-V2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:48:43 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DzGzK-0006XX-BZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:48:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DzGzJ-0006XO-ND for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:48:33 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DzHIu-0002ro-56 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:08:49 +0100 Received: from p1i5f0 (unknown [204.244.17.99]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id ECE6BB6EE9 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:48:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <008201c595ef$ec3d7460$6311f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000f01c5826e$6006a9b0$0c01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> <001f01c582be$4affc380$0400a8c0@router> <002f01c59558$a62f3720$5e11f4cc@p1i5f0> <001501c595bb$834a3a30$0301a8c0@p1800> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:50:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: European Tube Question (OT) Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Message
>RS1003 Siemens
Yes Federico...that's the one. Has anyone seen this tube used in anything?
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:36:00 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzGn9-0003hV-QQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:36:00 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzGn9-0003h0-JB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:35:59 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DzGmU-0006SG-A8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:35:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DzGmT-0006S7-MV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:35:17 +0100 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DzGz6-00024e-EO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:48:21 +0100 Received: from [194.97.55.148] (helo=mx5.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1DzGmO-0002Eh-0L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:35:12 +0200 Received: from p54869d16.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.157.22] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx5.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.52 #3) id 1DzGmN-0004HK-Ot for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 18:35:11 +0200 Message-ID: <42ECE1A2.205@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:35:14 +0200 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: LF: DK4U - reception report Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Dave, DK4U is located in JO42FD ;-) "He" suffered from severe QRN, so apologies to the station who called later this afternoon in DFCW - better luck next weekend. Looking forward for some CW activity too. Regards, Wolf DL4YHF . Dave G3WCB schrieb: >Dear LF, > >DK4U copied today at about 10h35 UTC, 137.702 Khz. "O" copy QRSS3, partial >copy of Hell image. ARGO Screen shot attached. >This is a new callsign for me - does anyone know the location of this >station? > >73, > >Dave G3WCB IO91RM > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:52:56 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzG7U-0001nY-3v for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:52:56 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzG7T-0001n4-Ur for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:52:56 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DzG7m-0006MZ-BL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:53:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DzG7l-0006MQ-VD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:53:13 +0100 Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.206]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DzGKM-0001v7-Rf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:06:17 +0100 Received: from WarmSpgs@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r4.1.) id l.1c2.2d9dac5a (3850) for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:53:00 -0400 (EDT) From: WarmSpgs@aol.com Message-ID: <1c2.2d9dac5a.301e4ddb@aol.com> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:52:59 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 for Windows sub 5039 Subject: Re: LF: Suitable ground? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
The wire you run to the well will be more effective than the well itself.
 
For RF grounding, depth is no advantage.  You want the return current to have as low a resistance path as possible near the surface of the earth, where most of the RF current will be.
 
If you have room for ground radials, they can be quite effective, especially if you place a metal ground screen in the immediate vicinity of the base of the vertical radiator, where the current density is highest.  Many American LowFERs have had good experience with chicken wire fencing for this purpose.  (Are you aware we have a US-Canadian reflector, by the way? I've noticed you posting reports to other North American stations here, but not on that one.  Fortunately, there is some overlap, but to ensure you're not missing anything, you might want to check: http://lwca.org/groups.htm )
 
Alternately, if a radial system is not feasible, you might find it useful to get more toploading into the air.  If you can better distribute the return current over a 360 radius around the vertical element, rather than concentrating it right under the horizontal run of an L or a T topload, the losses appear to be reduced by quite a useful amount.
 
John
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:03:27 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzFLa-0001Bx-1l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:03:27 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzFLZ-0001BV-T0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:03:25 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DzFKl-0006HA-Ky for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:02:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DzFKi-0006H1-83 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:02:32 +0100 Received: from lmfilto02.st1.spray.net ([212.78.202.66]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DzFXJ-0001lY-2j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 16:15:34 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lmfilto02.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B9F7161B97 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:02:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lmsmtp01.st1.spray.net ([212.78.202.111]) by localhost (lmfilto02.st1.spray.net [212.78.202.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12606-09 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:02:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from urban (unknown [213.204.135.133]) by lmsmtp01.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 294AC124C for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:02:24 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <002801c595e1$c81dbee0$8587ccd5@urban.ekholm> From: ekholm.urban@spray.se To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 17:08:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at spray.net Subject: LF: SV: RE: Suitable ground? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello ! I have a negative experience using a well casing. I have a well drilled about 120m deep (~350feet). The pump is hanging about 65m down in a steel wire. From the earth surface and down about 20feet there is a steel tube about 5 inches in diameter. The whole thing was connected to the radials in order to improve the antenna current. However there were absolutely no change in current when connecting. The well here is about 65feet from teh feedpoint. But give it a try. Hopefully you are luckier than I HI. The soil here is "solid" clay about 7feet deep. 73 SM5EUF / Urban -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Dave Pick Till: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: den 31 juli 2005 15:51 Ämne: LF: RE: Suitable ground? >J B > >I think Christer SM6PXJ used a well casing to good effect? >It certainly sounds like a better ground than most of us are able to get! > >Dave G3YXM. > > >________________________________ > > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of J. B. Weazle >McCreath > Sent: 30 July 2005 23:53 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Suitable ground? > > > Hello LFer's, > > The soil at my QTH is composed mostly of gravel, which makes getting >a decent ground for RF purposes rather difficult for two reasons, driving in >ground rods, and > poor soil conductivity. However, about 150 feet from my house is a >water well in > the form of an 8 inch diameter steel pipe that goes down 275 feet! >Has anyone > on the list had any experience using such as a ground for a Marconi >antenna? > > Cheers, J.B. > VE3EAR - VE3WZL > EN93dr > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:49:35 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzEC6-00021c-LC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:49:34 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzEC6-00021V-IR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:49:34 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DzEBM-00067n-3D for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:48:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DzEBL-00067e-NC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:48:47 +0100 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DzENu-0001cT-NV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 15:01:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 51510 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2005 13:48:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@81.153.56.59 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2005 13:48:39 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:48:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <000e01c59564$475750a0$9a952ed8@server> Thread-Index: AcWVa8Y/TpCul1E9SRmPBQx9ZqCB2QAao2vQ Message-Id: Subject: LF: RE: Suitable ground? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) J B I think Christer SM6PXJ used a well casing to good effect? It certainly sounds like a better ground than most of us are able to get! Dave G3YXM. ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of J. B. Weazle McCreath Sent: 30 July 2005 23:53 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Suitable ground? Hello LFer's, The soil at my QTH is composed mostly of gravel, which makes getting a decent ground for RF purposes rather difficult for two reasons, driving in ground rods, and poor soil conductivity. However, about 150 feet from my house is a water well in the form of an 8 inch diameter steel pipe that goes down 275 feet! Has anyone on the list had any experience using such as a ground for a Marconi antenna? Cheers, J.B. VE3EAR - VE3WZL EN93dr From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:03:43 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzDTi-0003oy-DB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:03:42 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzDTi-0003ok-3U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:03:42 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DzDTB-000602-Mc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:03:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DzDTB-0005zt-97 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:03:09 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DzDfk-0001Vr-FA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:16:09 +0100 Received: (qmail 11224 invoked from network); 31 Jul 2005 13:03:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.152.247.23 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 31 Jul 2005 13:03:01 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 14:03:25 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <001401c595c4$2187be40$0500a8c0@charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal Subject: LF: DK4U - reception report Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050608090209040103030709" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050608090209040103030709 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear LF, DK4U copied today at about 10h35 UTC, 137.702 Khz. "O" copy QRSS3, partial copy of Hell image. ARGO Screen shot attached. 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Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) J.B., On weekdays, I usually shut XES down by 0630 eastern time. On weekends, the time may be an hour or two later. John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:59:08 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzCTD-00061N-Vr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:59:08 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzCTD-00061F-SD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:59:07 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DzCSg-0005mS-7p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:58:34 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DzCSf-0005mJ-TN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:58:33 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DzCfE-0001Fz-2K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 13:11:33 +0100 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6VBu5D3028550 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:56:05 -0400 Received: from server (dial-25.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.25]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6VBwIaO013645 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 07:58:18 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001f01c595bf$aa363aa0$9a952ed8@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <061620050011.5342.42B0C3B000037A35000014DE22007614380B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> <003e01c5785a$46275620$c5802ed8@server> <001001c578a3$7745e980$0500a8c0@charter.net> <003501c5808b$c02225c0$98802ed8@server> <006601c580ff$40ff0dc0$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:03:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: XES copy early a.m. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello LFer's, I had a good early morning copy of the DFCW signal from XES today. First time I've seen him during daylight hours in weeks. 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL EN93dr From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:32:07 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzB70-0003O6-Ja for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:32:07 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DzB70-0003Nz-FG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:32:06 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DzB6I-0005bW-Fc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:31:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DzB6I-0005bN-47 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:31:22 +0100 Received: from smtp.telefonica.net ([213.4.129.135] helo=tnetsmtp2.mail.isp) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DzBIn-000138-76 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 11:44:19 +0100 Received: from p1800 ([217.127.130.21]) by tnetsmtp2.mail.isp (terra.es) with ESMTP id IKHMK301.T5N for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:31:15 +0200 Message-ID: <001501c595bb$834a3a30$0301a8c0@p1800> From: "Federico Olaizola" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000f01c5826e$6006a9b0$0c01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> <001f01c582be$4affc380$0400a8c0@router> <002f01c59558$a62f3720$5e11f4cc@p1i5f0> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 12:35:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: Re: European Tube Question (OT) Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Message
See:
 
                          73    Federico   EA2HB
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:47 AM
Subject: LF: European Tube Question (OT)

I've just acquired a pair of NOS RS1003 tubes by Siemens. Is anyone in Europe familiar with this tube and its application?
A quick search shows them at ~ $230 each...wonder why they are so expensive?
 
Steve / VE7SL
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:20:43 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dz93q-0000cY-KR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:20:42 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dz93q-0000cQ-GJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:20:42 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dz93d-0005Nu-Ep for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:20:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dz93c-0005Nl-Ry for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:20:28 +0100 Received: from pfepb.post.tele.dk ([195.41.46.236]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dz9N2-0001Wa-LP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:40:34 +0100 Received: from preinstapdq0tf (0x53589076.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [83.88.144.118]) by pfepb.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7F6225EE009 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:20:25 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <000f01c595a8$b2597a60$76905853@preinstapdq0tf> From: "Niels Rudberg J?rgensen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000f01c5826e$6006a9b0$0c01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> <001f01c582be$4affc380$0400a8c0@router> <002f01c59558$a62f3720$5e11f4cc@p1i5f0> Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 10:20:20 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: LF: Re: European Tube Question (OT) Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Message
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2005 12:47 AM
Subject: LF: European Tube Question (OT)

I've just acquired a pair of NOS RS1003 tubes by Siemens. Is anyone in Europe familiar with this tube and its application?
A quick search shows them at ~ $230 each...wonder why they are so expensive?
 
Steve / VE7SL
 
Hello Steve!
I too wonder why these tubes are so expensive.
I do not have any accurate data, but it seems that we are talking about
a 1950-vintage 100-watt transmitting pentode. Can you confirm that it
is a glass envelope, single-ended tube ( thick plate pin)?
For near-eqvivalents, you might look for Amperex PE1/100 or US type 6083.
73
Niels/OZ8NJ+  
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 08:23:03 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dz89y-0001fF-6i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 08:23:03 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dz89x-0001dd-VT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 08:22:58 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dz89K-0005GU-Qz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 08:22:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dz89K-0005GL-C8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 08:22:18 +0100 Received: from mailout03.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.81]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dz8Ln-0000VD-7A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 08:35:13 +0100 Received: from fwd21.aul.t-online.de by mailout03.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Dz89H-0004d3-00; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:22:15 +0200 Received: from HW1 (E4WtpEZOgeC+Ag0A8Jus3uZoYQcqW1dFFjMEarrWwaq4HvCJRfLG4l@[84.133.126.50]) by fwd21.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1Dz89H-1W9KCm0; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:22:15 +0200 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 09:22:10 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <125224282.20050731092210@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: E4WtpEZOgeC+Ag0A8Jus3uZoYQcqW1dFFjMEarrWwaq4HvCJRfLG4l X-TOI-MSGID: f9d8dc3a-75cb-49d3-a6a6-42c25fa5a20f Subject: LF: TA July, 31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) High static levels last night affecting copy. Copied only signs from XES and XGJ 0255-0320 UTC. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:04:17 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dz2FU-0005kl-UZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:04:17 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dz2FU-0005kZ-OU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:04:16 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dz2El-0003SE-Ma for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:03:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dz2El-0003S5-4m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:03:31 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dz2R8-0001Rr-MM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 31 Jul 2005 02:16:19 +0100 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6V11lrA028704 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:01:48 -0400 Received: from server (dial154-ripley2.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.149.154]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6V13waO011254 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:03:59 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000e01c59564$475750a0$9a952ed8@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001001c58ab2$0cd7acc0$dd088751@w4o8m9> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:53:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Suitable ground? Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello LFer's,
 
The soil at my QTH is composed mostly of gravel, which makes getting a decent ground for RF purposes rather difficult for two reasons, driving in ground rods, and
poor soil conductivity.  However, about 150 feet from my house is a water well in
the form of an 8 inch diameter steel pipe that goes down 275 feet!  Has anyone
on the list had any experience using such as a ground for a Marconi antenna?
 
Cheers, J.B.
VE3EAR - VE3WZL
EN93dr
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:45:57 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dz05d-0004mj-1y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:45:57 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dz05c-0004mZ-QW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:45:56 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dz04n-0003Fk-JZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:45:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dz04m-0003Fb-MG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:45:04 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dz0H6-00013J-Jv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 23:57:51 +0100 Received: from p1i5f0 (unknown [204.244.17.94]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 07EC3B7480 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002f01c59558$a62f3720$5e11f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000f01c5826e$6006a9b0$0c01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> <001f01c582be$4affc380$0400a8c0@router> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:47:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: European Tube Question (OT) Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Message
I've just acquired a pair of NOS RS1003 tubes by Siemens. Is anyone in Europe familiar with this tube and its application?
A quick search shows them at ~ $230 each...wonder why they are so expensive?
 
Steve / VE7SL
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:13:05 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DyvpY-0007NY-RN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:13:05 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DyvpY-0007NR-Mr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:13:04 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DyvpA-0002xl-1M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:12:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dyvp9-0002xc-J4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:12:39 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.141]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dyw1Q-0000Aa-Gz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:25:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 81783 invoked from network); 30 Jul 2005 18:12:32 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@81.153.56.59 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Jul 2005 18:12:32 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:12:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <000a01c59530$0200c1a0$098dccd5@urban.ekholm> Thread-Index: AcWVLzoPnUCi43DxS46ORYN+MVGq/gAAhtug Message-Id: Subject: RE: LF: LF Activity, lack of Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello Urban Speaking as the "LF Editor of Radcom" I don't remember ever receiving such a message, but it is a good idea! All we have to do is decide on the times.... As a general rule at weekends, I have always thought that it would be a good idea to call around the "top of the hour" so if anyone was just casually listening they could get into the habit of being less casual at 10 o-clock, 11 o-clock etc. The biggest problem is everyone sitting around their receivers complaining that there's nobody on! Try calling!! Oh, and if you call me I probably won't hear you because of Rugby, I must get my loop working again. Dave G3YXM. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of ekholm.urban@spray.se Sent: 30 July 2005 18:55 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: SV: LF: LF Activity, lack of Hello all ! More on lack of activity.......... I have on the reflector suggested (three times) that we should concentrate on specific activity times instead of everybody calling randomly in vain. I suggested this two or three years ago after having gone to the summer-QTH a lot of times (wintertime) and there calling NUMEROUS CQ:s, hearing absolutely nothing ! (I cannot be QRV from home due to lack of space and also very high QRM-levels making it impossible to hear anything but the strongest ones , OH1TN, YU7AR and some more). The first time the response was that the band is rather busy (!) so special activity times is not necessary !!!! The second and third times have given absolutely no response !! I have also mailed the LF-editor of RadCom and suggested that we concentrate on specific activity times. No response !! Anyone interested in more activity on 136, or are all totally satisfied trying to hear meaningless messages across "the water" ? 73 SM5EUF / Urban -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Ko Versteeg Till: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: den 30 juli 2005 16:06 Ämne: Re: LF: LF Activity, lack of >CHRISTOPHER OSBORN wrote: >> It's not entirely correct that there's zero LF activity at present. >> Most weekends I put out several CQ's, if not exactly expecting a reply then at least to give the would-be LF operator something to tune in to. >> >> I've been calling unsuccessfully this morning for ages, albeit with my humble 90 watts and 40 metre aerial ! >> Chris G3XIZ > >Chris & Group > >That's Right, Also heard this morning were DL2HRE 549, DK4U 529 >,PA0WFO 559 G3XIZ 559 > >73 de Ko, NL9222 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:50:52 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DyvU2-0003bw-Qk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:50:52 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DyvU2-0003bg-JU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:50:50 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DyvTR-0002rx-Bu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:50:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DyvTN-0002ro-PQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 18:50:09 +0100 Received: from lmfilto02.st1.spray.net ([212.78.202.66]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DyvmV-0007xD-9v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:09:57 +0100 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by lmfilto02.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CDA6160A3C for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:49:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lmsmtp01.st1.spray.net ([212.78.202.111]) by localhost (lmfilto02.st1.spray.net [212.78.202.32]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32322-10 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:49:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from urban (unknown [213.204.141.9]) by lmsmtp01.st1.spray.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E0F912E6 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 17:49:55 +0000 (GMT) Message-ID: <000a01c59530$0200c1a0$098dccd5@urban.ekholm> From: ekholm.urban@spray.se To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 19:55:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at spray.net Subject: SV: LF: LF Activity, lack of Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello all ! More on lack of activity.......... I have on the reflector suggested (three times) that we should concentrate on specific activity times instead of everybody calling randomly in vain. I suggested this two or three years ago after having gone to the summer-QTH a lot of times (wintertime) and there calling NUMEROUS CQ:s, hearing absolutely nothing ! (I cannot be QRV from home due to lack of space and also very high QRM-levels making it impossible to hear anything but the strongest ones , OH1TN, YU7AR and some more). The first time the response was that the band is rather busy (!) so special activity times is not necessary !!!! The second and third times have given absolutely no response !! I have also mailed the LF-editor of RadCom and suggested that we concentrate on specific activity times. No response !! Anyone interested in more activity on 136, or are all totally satisfied trying to hear meaningless messages across "the water" ? 73 SM5EUF / Urban -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Ko Versteeg Till: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Datum: den 30 juli 2005 16:06 Ämne: Re: LF: LF Activity, lack of >CHRISTOPHER OSBORN wrote: >> It's not entirely correct that there's zero LF activity at present. >> Most weekends I put out several CQ's, if not exactly expecting a reply then at least to give the would-be LF operator something to tune in to. >> >> I've been calling unsuccessfully this morning for ages, albeit with my humble 90 watts and 40 metre aerial ! >> Chris G3XIZ > >Chris & Group > >That's Right, Also heard this morning were >DL2HRE 549, DK4U 529 ,PA0WFO 559 G3XIZ 559 > >73 de Ko, NL9222 > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:05:16 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dyrxj-0003JU-Sf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:05:16 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dyrxj-0003JA-Oz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:05:15 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DyrxX-0002eR-LD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:05:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DyrxX-0002eI-7P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:05:03 +0100 Received: from smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl ([194.109.24.22]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dys9j-0007jS-CC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 15:17:41 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (a82-92-108-254.adsl.xs4all.nl [82.92.108.254]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp-vbr2.xs4all.nl (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6UE4sPa086228 for ; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:05:00 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from nl9222@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <42EB8908.7010903@xs4all.nl> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:04:56 +0200 From: Ko Versteeg User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.6 (Windows/20050716) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <20050730134345.40754.qmail@web86609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20050730134345.40754.qmail@web86609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 0530-3, 07/29/2005), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: Re: LF: LF Activity, lack of Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) CHRISTOPHER OSBORN wrote: > It's not entirely correct that there's zero LF activity at present. > Most weekends I put out several CQ's, if not exactly expecting a reply then at least to give the would-be LF operator something to tune in to. > > I've been calling unsuccessfully this morning for ages, albeit with my humble 90 watts and 40 metre aerial ! > Chris G3XIZ Chris & Group That's Right, Also heard this morning were DL2HRE 549, DK4U 529 ,PA0WFO 559 G3XIZ 559 73 de Ko, NL9222 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:45:10 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DyreG-0002vk-Vy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:45:10 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DyreG-0002u8-QQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:45:08 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dyrd5-0002ZW-FC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:43:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dyrd4-0002ZN-U2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:43:54 +0100 Received: from web86609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.13.31]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DyrpF-0007gE-4F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:56:32 +0100 Received: (qmail 40756 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Jul 2005 13:43:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20050730134345.40754.qmail@web86609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Received: from [62.252.64.18] by web86609.mail.ukl.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:43:45 BST Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 14:43:45 +0100 (BST) From: CHRISTOPHER OSBORN To: LF group MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: LF: LF Activity, lack of Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00)
It's not entirely correct that there's zero LF activity at present.
Most weekends I put out several CQ's, if not exactly expecting a reply then at least to give the would-be LF operator something to tune in to.
 
I've been calling unsuccessfully this morning for ages, albeit with my humble 90 watts and 40 metre aerial !
 
It must be disconcerting for someone who has taken the trouble to get an LF receiver system up and running to find that there's nothing to listen to on 136 !
 
We must be about due for another 'activity weekend'  . . .
 
Maybe there's a case for a 136 kHz amateur beacon or two, which could transmit for a few seconds each hour or so and would facilitate the checking of receive systems  (?)
 
Regards,
 
Chris G3XIZ
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Mike

Scott Tilley wrote:
Mal
 
Having a bad day ?
 
Heard CW on the band last night and worked VE7SL while portable...
 
I guess it depends on where you are...
 
73 Scott
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:08 AM
Subject: LF: LF GONE

    Hi All
LF acty is at its lowest ever since it began. There seems to be nil acty at present, even the discussion here about so called innovative modes has ceased. Maybe the LF fraternity are busy brushing up and practicing their morse for the big winter onslaught. CW acty and the ability to handle a key has detoriated in recent years, it can only improve, it is probably the most suitable mode here on LF supplemented by the use of QRS machine generated morse by those fumbling on the key.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 

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Mal
 
Having a bad day ?
 
Heard CW on the band last night and worked VE7SL while portable...
 
I guess it depends on where you are...
 
73 Scott
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 9:08 AM
Subject: LF: LF GONE

    Hi All
LF acty is at its lowest ever since it began. There seems to be nil acty at present, even the discussion here about so called innovative modes has ceased. Maybe the LF fraternity are busy brushing up and practicing their morse for the big winter onslaught. CW acty and the ability to handle a key has detoriated in recent years, it can only improve, it is probably the most suitable mode here on LF supplemented by the use of QRS machine generated morse by those fumbling on the key.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:22:00 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dy3eQ-0003Fb-VG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:22:00 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dy3eQ-0003EV-QR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:21:58 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dy3dD-0007US-Qc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:20:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dy3dD-0007UJ-5J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:20:43 +0100 Received: from amsfep11-int.chello.nl ([213.46.243.19] helo=amsfep19-int.chello.nl) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dy3vB-0006zl-04 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 09:39:18 +0100 Received: from MARLEEN ([80.56.172.143]) by amsfep19-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050728082035.GXBO18546.amsfep19-int.chello.nl@MARLEEN> for ; Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:20:35 +0200 Message-ID: <002501c5934d$3c9f12b0$8fac3850@MARLEEN> From: "PA0WFO" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c592c5$82e22b00$90ccfc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 10:20:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: LF GONE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Mal ,
Thought you were gone to a different location during the summer . Did not hear any straight CW either of late . Hope to meet you soon on the band  .
Perhaps you are successfull to shake the LF brotherhood awake  hi . In our local radio club several stations are preparing antenna,s and loading coils for the winter season . Also lots of them are still having vacation .
Regards , William PAØWFO
 ----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2005 6:08 PM
Subject: LF: LF GONE

    Hi All
LF acty is at its lowest ever since it began. There seems to be nil acty at present, even the discussion here about so called innovative modes has ceased. Maybe the LF fraternity are busy brushing up and practicing their morse for the big winter onslaught. CW acty and the ability to handle a key has detoriated in recent years, it can only improve, it is probably the most suitable mode here on LF supplemented by the use of QRS machine generated morse by those fumbling on the key.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:09:36 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DxpPT-00071m-M0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:09:35 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DxpPT-00071Z-Hd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:09:35 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DxpOW-0006er-Bj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:08:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DxpOV-0006ei-VM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:08:35 +0100 Received: from sp0178.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.178] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DxpZe-00008n-8d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 18:20:07 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.204.144) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.038) id 42E572F50008E978 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:08:30 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c592c5$82e22b00$90ccfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 17:08:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: LF GONE Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
    Hi All
LF acty is at its lowest ever since it began. There seems to be nil acty at present, even the discussion here about so called innovative modes has ceased. Maybe the LF fraternity are busy brushing up and practicing their morse for the big winter onslaught. CW acty and the ability to handle a key has detoriated in recent years, it can only improve, it is probably the most suitable mode here on LF supplemented by the use of QRS machine generated morse by those fumbling on the key.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:39:37 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dxm8G-00043G-Pq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:39:37 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dxm8G-00042u-Ky for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:39:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dxm7d-0006O4-NZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:38:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dxm7c-0006Nv-Uq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:38:56 +0100 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DxmIf-0007K0-AA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 14:50:25 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([138.88.40.73]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IKA005DDGKJB1S4@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 08:38:47 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 09:38:39 -0400 From: Andre Kesteloot In-reply-to: <8E8D23D235D70840B6582917DF2789800240C0@temps153538.tms-ltd.com> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <42E78E5F.3000502@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: <8E8D23D235D70840B6582917DF2789800240C0@temps153538.tms-ltd.com> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax;nscd1) Subject: Re: LF: Frequency list ? Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Reeves Paul wrote: >Andre, > >You might also try < www.beaconworld.org.uk/files/lfguide.pdf> for >frequencies <150kHz. There are also NDB lists here(!) > >73 >Paul g8gja > Thanks Paul, for this additional pointer. Most useful indeed. 73 André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:57:36 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DxjbU-00079g-0X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:57:36 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DxjbT-00078Q-R6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:57:35 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dxjb6-0006B6-Dl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:57:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dxjb5-0006Ax-Pq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:57:11 +0100 Received: from mail.uk.thalesgroup.com ([194.128.85.7] helo=CRAWSMAIL2.uk.thalesgroup.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dxjm6-0006Sg-2f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 12:08:37 +0100 Received: from mail.uk.thalesgroup.com (lisc0022.int.rdel.co.uk) by CRAWSMAIL2.uk.thalesgroup.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.14) with ESMTP id for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:52:19 +0100 Received: from temps153538.tms-ltd.com ([193.150.182.142]) by mail.uk.thalesgroup.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j6RAv2dE031937 for ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:57:02 +0100 Received: by temps153538.tms-ltd.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:57:02 +0100 Message-ID: <8E8D23D235D70840B6582917DF2789800240C0@temps153538.tms-ltd.com> From: Reeves Paul To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 11:56:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Subject: RE: LF: Frequency list ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Andre, You might also try < www.beaconworld.org.uk/files/lfguide.pdf> for frequencies <150kHz. There are also NDB lists here(!) 73 Paul g8gja -----Original Message----- From: Andre Kesteloot [mailto:andre.kesteloot@verizon.net] Sent: 26 July 2005 01:43 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Frequency list ? Mitch Powell wrote: > Andre: > Look at > http://home.cogeco.ca/~dxinfo/ > > who has a complete list from dc up - this should help. > > Mitch VE3OT Mitch, Great stuff :-) Thanks for the pointer 73 André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:06:24 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dxe7Y-0003Qc-Ew for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:06:23 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dxe7Y-0003QR-By for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:06:20 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dxe6D-0005qu-5w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:04:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dxe6C-0005ql-CB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:04:56 +0100 Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DxeH8-0004hb-7R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 06:16:16 +0100 Received: from fwd29.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Dxe69-0001fV-02; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:04:53 +0200 Received: from HW1 (E3Tl1sZf8eQ6no01QrtHQI946xIwEf62DfzIiQI05zYSOO8VF2PQZg@[84.133.111.121]) by fwd29.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1Dxe62-23hZBo0; Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:04:46 +0200 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2005 07:04:46 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <7564737.20050727070446@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: E3Tl1sZf8eQ6no01QrtHQI946xIwEf62DfzIiQI05zYSOO8VF2PQZg X-TOI-MSGID: 6d330469-e02f-4a2c-8750-05018437fc4b Subject: LF: TA July, 27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Strong signals from WD2XES and WD2XGJ 0100-0330UTC. Again only partial copy of VO1NA 0100-0130 and 0200-0230 UTC. Nothing else copied. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:29:58 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DxH4n-0006la-0S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:29:58 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DxH4m-0006lP-Qe for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:29:56 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DxH4A-00046k-J2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:29:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DxH4A-00046b-3m for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:29:18 +0100 Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DxHEg-0004rI-7o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 05:40:14 +0100 Received: from fwd33.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DxH45-000816-01; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:29:13 +0200 Received: from HW1 (VsIdxsZ1weVdBJf8GzGdspshwVvoFGgSErXfDCAq9Ak43O1dGyn5oF@[84.133.104.138]) by fwd33.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1DxH43-0aF9fc0; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:29:11 +0200 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:29:11 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <111577517.20050726062911@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: VsIdxsZ1weVdBJf8GzGdspshwVvoFGgSErXfDCAq9Ak43O1dGyn5oF X-TOI-MSGID: be685f78-6cc5-4f22-853c-8f6848bedfb8 Subject: LF: TA July, 26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Good signals from WD2XES and WD2XGJ 0115-0215 UTC. Only partial copy of the QRSS30 signal from VO1NA 0100-0130 and 0200-0230UTC. Nothing else copied. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:44:17 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DxDYP-0004U1-45 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:44:17 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DxDYP-0004Tt-1U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:44:17 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DxDXs-0003mT-MT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:43:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DxDXs-0003mK-2i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:43:44 +0100 Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.44]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DxDiK-0003Vj-KN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 26 Jul 2005 01:54:36 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([141.156.216.141]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IK700JZ9M09KJJF@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 19:43:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:43:17 -0400 From: Andre Kesteloot In-reply-to: To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <42E58725.8060907@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en References: User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax;nscd1) Subject: Re: LF: Frequency list ? Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Mitch Powell wrote: > Andre: > Look at > http://home.cogeco.ca/~dxinfo/ > > who has a complete list from dc up - this should help. > > Mitch VE3OT Mitch, Great stuff :-) Thanks for the pointer 73 André N4ICK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:25:29 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dx8Zr-0004cj-7k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:25:29 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dx8Zr-0004cE-1Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:25:27 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dx8ZB-0003PL-C6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:24:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dx8ZA-0003PC-BJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:24:44 +0100 Received: from simmts7.bellnexxia.net ([206.47.199.165] helo=simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dx8pr-0005Qz-2W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 20:42:02 +0100 Received: from [192.168.123.199] ([65.95.181.73]) by simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20050725192424.GCU23474.simmts7-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.123.199]> for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:24:24 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:24:34 -0400 From: Mitch Powell To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <42E4F9F4.30602@verizon.net> Mime-version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Frequency list ? Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Re: LF: Frequency list ? Andre:
Look at
http://home.cogeco.ca/~dxinfo/

who has a complete list from dc up - this should help.

Mitch VE3OT


I am trying to set up some listening tests.
Would anyone know of a comprehensive list (data base ?) of RF sources in Europe up to 500 kHz, e.g.,
Rugby 60 kHz,
Radio Luxembourg, 208
BBC 198 kHz,
Europe 1
Loran, etc. ?

Thanks in advance
73
André N4ICK


From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:26:20 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dx6iZ-0002Qn-Lo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:26:20 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dx6iZ-0002QU-HG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:26:19 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dx6hz-0003Ew-00 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:25:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dx6hy-0003En-II for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:25:42 +0100 Received: from sp0143.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.143] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dx6sL-00016H-JY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:36:27 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.228.207) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.0.038) id 42D6F72B002D2046 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:25:31 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c59135$902a1b60$cfe4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 17:25:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RJ45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 8:49 PM Subject: LF: RE: Re: RJ45 > Hi Mal, > > Presuming that the RJ45 is an 8 way connector you can readily obtain 1, 2 & > 4 way face plates for CAT5e network terminations, also you can obtain patch > panels from 16 way upwards for cabinet installations so you could possibly > obtain something like that & parallel the sockets to your requirements. > these are available from my local supplier CPC in Preston who are part of > the Farnell group so you could try Farnell over there. > > Regards, > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Hi Gary Tnx for the info and all the others that responded but it does not solve the problem because there is a min charge of £10 and the sockets only cost 70 pence each. I did however do some searching around Scarboro and a local PC business consortium that build computers let me have a couple free of charge. 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stewart Nelson > Sent: 23 July 2005 20:16 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: RJ45 > > > Hi Mal, > > Since RJ45 is commonly used for Ethernet, you should be able to > find the F/F adapter at most shops that sell or install computer > network equipement. If not, try the guys who do business phone > systems. However, a three-way socket block may be hard > to find, because common uses of RJ45 (Ethernet, ISDN, T1/E1, > console cables) allow only point-to-point connections. > > 73. > > Stewart KK7KA > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: hamilton mal > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Cc: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ > Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:04 AM > Subject: LF: RJ45 > > > Hi All > I need a RJ45 inline female/female connector and cannot find any in the High > St > shops or Electrical shops. They do have male/male cables but not female. > There > are millions available on the internet but only in large quantities. > I need preferably a 3 way female socket block so that I can insert a male > plug > into it with the facility to plug 2 male plugs into the output for separate > devices. Does anyone know of a source for a single device. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:41:42 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dx49F-0006Sa-V3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:41:42 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dx49F-0006SL-QL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:41:41 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dx48b-00034b-BE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:41:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dx48a-00034S-Nz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:41:00 +0100 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dx4Iv-0008Q8-65 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:51:43 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] ([141.156.216.141]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IK6006CFU47RCG8@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:40:57 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 10:40:52 -0400 From: Andre Kesteloot To: rsgb_lf_group Message-id: <42E4F9F4.30602@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax;nscd1) Subject: LF: Frequency list ? Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit I am trying to set up some listening tests.
Would anyone know of a comprehensive list (data base ?) of RF sources in Europe up to 500 kHz, e.g.,
Rugby 60 kHz,
Radio Luxembourg, 208
BBC 198 kHz,
Europe 1
Loran, etc. ?

Thanks in advance
73
André N4ICK
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:57:26 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dwvxt-0001TG-PQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:57:26 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dwvxt-0001Sm-LI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:57:25 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DwvwW-0002TQ-Ko for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:56:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DwvwW-0002TH-8f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 06:56:00 +0100 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dww6i-0005xX-Jb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:06:34 +0100 Received: from fwd30.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DwvwT-00052g-04; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:55:57 +0200 Received: from HW1 (Z1ZwEmZOgeK-U-TybDhBj8wmoLGIKKjmjSzCPo2fE+7CraKbrt+l4q@[84.133.118.14]) by fwd30.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1DwvwK-0LPL4i0; Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:55:48 +0200 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 07:55:43 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <12335792.20050725075543@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: Z1ZwEmZOgeK-U-TybDhBj8wmoLGIKKjmjSzCPo2fE+7CraKbrt+l4q X-TOI-MSGID: 3512de16-d86c-4c3e-b9c1-d0838ca4e991 Subject: LF: TA July, 25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Copied XES and XGJ 0200-0300 UTC. Nothing else copied. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:51:03 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DwQ1W-0002My-Ll for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:51:03 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DwQ1W-0002J6-9h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:51:02 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DwQ1I-0006lH-Nf for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:50:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DwQ1I-0006l8-8Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:50:48 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.39]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DwQAx-0000jC-B5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 21:00:49 +0100 Received: from dsl-80-43-30-13.access.as9105.com ([80.43.30.13]:1119 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-3.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DwQ18-0006JS-6w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:50:38 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:49:52 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000e01c58fba$f2503940$1101a8c0@w2ksn> Subject: LF: RE: Re: RJ45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Mal, Presuming that the RJ45 is an 8 way connector you can readily obtain 1, 2 & 4 way face plates for CAT5e network terminations, also you can obtain patch panels from 16 way upwards for cabinet installations so you could possibly obtain something like that & parallel the sockets to your requirements. these are available from my local supplier CPC in Preston who are part of the Farnell group so you could try Farnell over there. Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Stewart Nelson Sent: 23 July 2005 20:16 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RJ45 Hi Mal, Since RJ45 is commonly used for Ethernet, you should be able to find the F/F adapter at most shops that sell or install computer network equipement. If not, try the guys who do business phone systems. However, a three-way socket block may be hard to find, because common uses of RJ45 (Ethernet, ISDN, T1/E1, console cables) allow only point-to-point connections. 73. Stewart KK7KA ----- Original Message ----- From: hamilton mal To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: LF: RJ45 Hi All I need a RJ45 inline female/female connector and cannot find any in the High St shops or Electrical shops. They do have male/male cables but not female. There are millions available on the internet but only in large quantities. I need preferably a 3 way female socket block so that I can insert a male plug into it with the facility to plug 2 male plugs into the output for separate devices. Does anyone know of a source for a single device. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:15:39 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DwPTE-0000uq-O9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:15:39 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DwPTE-0000uL-GP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:15:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DwPSd-0006fD-5g for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:14:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DwPSc-0006f4-0h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:14:58 +0100 Received: from ns1.switchnet.com ([209.59.197.26]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DwPcF-0000an-Ch for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 20:24:58 +0100 Received: from [207.190.154.146] (helo=w2ksn) by ns1.switchnet.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DwPRV-0002Xx-HS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:13:49 -0700 Message-ID: <000e01c58fba$f2503940$1101a8c0@w2ksn> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c58fa8$9e4dbe60$3fd0fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 12:15:53 -0700 Organization: SC Group MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns1.switchnet.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - scgroup.com Subject: LF: Re: RJ45 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Mal, Since RJ45 is commonly used for Ethernet, you should be able to find the F/F adapter at most shops that sell or install computer network equipement. If not, try the guys who do business phone systems. However, a three-way socket block may be hard to find, because common uses of RJ45 (Ethernet, ISDN, T1/E1, console cables) allow only point-to-point connections. 73. Stewart KK7KA ----- Original Message ----- From: hamilton mal To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2005 10:04 AM Subject: LF: RJ45 Hi All I need a RJ45 inline female/female connector and cannot find any in the High St shops or Electrical shops. They do have male/male cables but not female. There are millions available on the internet but only in large quantities. I need preferably a 3 way female socket block so that I can insert a male plug into it with the facility to plug 2 male plugs into the output for separate devices. Does anyone know of a source for a single device. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:05:37 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DwONV-0007aZ-3h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:05:37 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DwONU-0007a1-U9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:05:37 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DwOM4-0006WH-58 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:04:08 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DwOM3-0006W8-AV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:04:07 +0100 Received: from sp0188.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.188] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DwObm-00074b-Mt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 19:20:23 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.208.63) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.0.038) id 42D6F72B00256EB2; Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:04:03 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c58fa8$9e4dbe60$3fd0fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2005 18:04:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: RJ45 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
  Hi All
I need a RJ45 inline female/female connector and cannot find any in the High St shops or Electrical shops. They do have male/male cables but not female. There are millions available on the internet but only in large quantities.
I need preferably a 3 way female socket block so that I can insert a male plug into it with the facility to plug 2 male plugs into the output for separate devices. Does anyone know of a source for a single device.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:19:09 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dw1Ax-00066c-Uv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:19:09 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dw1Ax-00066E-DC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:19:07 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dw1AO-0004xc-1N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:18:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dw1AN-0004xT-CJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:18:31 +0100 Received: from imo-m23.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.4]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dw1PZ-00047X-PM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 18:34:16 +0100 Received: from GandalfG8@aol.com by imo-m23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id l.f.495be225 (48624) for ; Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:18:15 -0400 (EDT) From: GandalfG8@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2005 13:18:14 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 Subject: Re: LF: GPS ANT Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
In a message dated 7/22/2005 5:17:40 PM GMT Daylight Time, g3kev.ham@virgin.net writes:
You certainly can't get much more LF than that:-)
 
Joking apart, I've never even considered making one.
You can buy them new online for around £15, standard 5 volt supply via the coax, and I would have thought it could end up costing more than that to make your own in small quantities.
 
regards
 
Nigel
G8PZR
 
New to LF I presume because there is a big connection between LF and GPS concerning timing procedures and sync for some experimental data modes on LF.
de G3KEV
 
Lacking a sense of humour I presume because yes I am aware and thought perhaps the :-) and "joking apart" might just have give a slight clue and perhaps even lifted a smile in return:-)
 
It was a joke...............J   O    K    E
 
Joking apart, yet again again, amongst my quite extensive collection of frequency standards and precision oscillators I do have more than one GPS standard.
Although some do come with a supposedly "matched" antenna, badged by the manufacturer, most, if not all, adhere to the common standard.
I've bought antennas from the US for $15 and smilar ones can be bought in the UK for around £15 as I said before so it really isn't worth thinking about building one these days.
 
regards
 
Nigel
G8PZR
 
 
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: LF: GPS ANT

In a message dated 21/07/2005 11:32:37 GMT Daylight Time, g3kev.ham@virgin.net writes:
Hi All
Does anyone have a good active antenna design for a GPS rx.
Tnx de Mal/G3KEV 
You certainly can't get much more LF than that:-)
 
Joking apart, I've never even considered making one.
You can buy them new online for around £15, standard 5 volt supply via the coax, and I would have thought it could end up costing more than that to make your own in small quantities.
 
regards
 
Nigel
G8PZR
 
New to LF I presume because there is a big connection between LF and GPS concerning timing procedures and sync for some experimental data modes on LF.
de G3KEV
 
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----- Original Message -----
From: Andy
Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: LF: GPS ANT

I've made both quad helix and crossed dipole GPS antenna in the past - the details are on the web somewhere if you search  -  but its hardly worth it now - they are so cheap and available surplus.
 
Andy  G4JNT
 
I have also made one in the past and it worked, but I thought someone might have something special using the latest technology. One store quoted a £100 for one. Mine was made from bits out of junk and cost nothing.
I do not mind paying something reasonable but two persons have promised me free samples.
de G3KEV
 
-----Original Message-----
From: GandalfG8@aol.com <GandalfG8@aol.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Date: 2005/07/21 11:40
Subject: Re: LF: GPS ANT

In a message dated 21/07/2005 11:32:37 GMT Daylight Time, g3kev.ham@virgin.net writes:
Hi All
Does anyone have a good active antenna design for a GPS rx.
Tnx de Mal/G3KEV 
You certainly can't get much more LF than that:-)
 
Joking apart, I've never even considered making one.
You can buy them new online for around £15, standard 5 volt supply via the coax, and I would have thought it could end up costing more than that to make your own in small quantities.
 
regards
 
Nigel
G8PZR
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:02:45 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DvfNd-0004Tc-Is for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:02:45 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DvfNd-0004TS-Be for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:02:45 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DvfN3-0002nS-Ob for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:02:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DvfN3-0002nJ-1r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:02:09 +0100 Received: from bay102-f12.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.22] helo=hotmail.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dvfbo-00009F-10 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 19:17:25 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:02:01 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 18:02:00 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.200] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, hifer@lwca.org Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:02:00 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 21 Jul 2005 18:02:01.0415 (UTC) FILETIME=[4B580570:01C58E1E] Subject: LF: WD2XDW off Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Signals from XDW on 137Khz and 13Mhz are offair till 31st July Laurence em26aq KL1X/WD2XDW From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:58:36 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DvdRT-0006Cx-BN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:58:36 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DvdRS-0006BO-Rn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:58:34 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DvdR8-0002Rc-Cn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:58:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DvdR7-0002RT-TP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:58:13 +0100 Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.6]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dvdfp-0007ye-W4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 17:13:27 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id l.85.2c058bca (16109) for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:58:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mblk-d32 (mblk-d32.mblk.aol.com [205.188.212.216]) by air-id12.mx.aol.com (v106.2) with ESMTP id MAILINID121-3eed42dfc60beb; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:58:03 -0400 Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:58:03 -0400 Message-Id: <8C75C241C48CD10-AF0-272DB@mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com> From: markusvester@aol.com References: <001001c58ab2$0cd7acc0$dd088751@w4o8m9> <200507202019290658.0651F0B9@mail.zetnet.co.uk> Received: from 217.194.34.122 by mblk-d32.sysops.aol.com (205.188.212.216) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:58:02 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-MB-Message-Type: User In-Reply-To: <200507202019290658.0651F0B9@mail.zetnet.co.uk> X-Mailer: AOL WebMail 1.1.0.13071 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-AOL-IP: 205.188.212.216 Subject: Re: LF: Combatting Loran Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
John,
 
if you would use a large loop laid out flat on the ground, the resulting polarisation would probably suppress most of the vertically polarized far-field interference. In addition, you could use a gradiometer pair, eg. 2 turns with 50 m diameter inside a single reversed turn with 70 m, acting as a series-connected active shield. The receive-"antenna" sensitivity would ultimately be limited only by the thermal noise of the ground conductance, coupled by eddy currents. Under these conditions, the optimum loop diameter is similar to the depth of the (magnetic dipole) source in the ground.
 
73 de Markus, DF6NM
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: John Rabson <word.factory@zetnet.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Sent: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:19:29 +0100
Subject: Re: LF: Combatting Loran

Jim,

Do you think this approach would be worth trying at the surface station of a 
cave radio link?

Regards,
John G3PAI
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:02:06 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DvcYm-0002ek-NM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:02:06 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DvcYm-0002eT-HM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:02:04 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DvcYK-0002HZ-5Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:01:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DvcYJ-0002HQ-5J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:01:35 +0100 Received: from ns1.switchnet.com ([209.59.197.26]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dvch9-0002a9-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 16:10:45 +0100 Received: from [207.190.154.146] (helo=w2ksn) by ns1.switchnet.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DvcXK-0008Hb-NL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:00:34 -0700 Message-ID: <007b01c58e05$2a9621f0$1101a8c0@w2ksn> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c58dee$2f258c90$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 08:02:02 -0700 Organization: SC Group MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ns1.switchnet.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - scgroup.com Subject: Re: LF: Combatting Loran Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi John and all, Is the cave TX using a loop (wire or earth)? If so, I would expect the cave signal to be mostly magnetic, so an electric LORAN antenna, e.g. 1 m whip, would pick up little cave signal, even if it is in the vicinity. I would guess that since you are in the middle of nowhere, other noise should not be a problem, unless it's from your own gear! However, it may take some work to achieve good cancellation over the required bandwidth. Regards, Stewart KK7KA ----- Original Message ----- From: "james moritz" To: Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 5:17 AM Subject: RE: LF: Combatting Loran > Jim, >Do you think this approach would be worth trying at the surface station of a > cave radio link? > Regards, > John G3PAI Dear John, LF Group, What you need to make this kind of scheme work is two antennas which have different relative amplitudes and/or phases of the wanted and unwanted signals. This allows you to adjust the amplitude and phase of one antenna output to cancel the unwanted signal from the other, but without at the same time cancelling the wanted signal. If you can arrange an auxiliary receiving antenna that picks up the Loran noise without picking up much of the cave radio signal, the system should work. I imagine this would be fairly easy due to the "near field" nature of the cave radio signal - just putting the auxiliary antenna further away from the cave radio TX should do the trick. Note that other noise sources present at either antenna generally will add rather than cancel in the combined output, so it is important that the additional antenna has a good SNR (or Loran noise/Other noise Ratio might be a better way of putting it) if you expect to improve the overall SNR. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:45:38 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DvcIp-0001DD-Vn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:45:38 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DvcIp-0001CL-SF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:45:35 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DvcIT-0002BS-LB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:45:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DvcIT-0002BJ-AN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:45:13 +0100 Received: from imo-m14.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.204]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DvcRJ-0002T8-SC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 15:54:23 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m14.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id l.fe.17e93508 (4184) for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:45:03 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:45:03 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 Subject: Re: LF: GPS ANT Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
In a message dated 21/07/2005 10:32:37 GMT Standard Time, g3kev.ham@virgin.net writes:
Hi All
Does anyone have a good active antenna design for a GPS rx.
Tnx de Mal/G3KEV 
Hello Mal
 
£17 from Rapid Electronics.      Probably cheaper than the sum of the parts and definately easier than soldering those sub min connectors to a length of coax.
 
73
 
David
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I've made both quad helix and crossed dipole GPS antenna in the past - the details are on the web somewhere if you search  -  but its hardly worth it now - they are so cheap and available surplus.
 
Andy  G4JNT
-----Original Message-----
From: GandalfG8@aol.com <GandalfG8@aol.com>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Date: 2005/07/21 11:40
Subject: Re: LF: GPS ANT

In a message dated 21/07/2005 11:32:37 GMT Daylight Time, g3kev.ham@virgin.net writes:
Hi All
Does anyone have a good active antenna design for a GPS rx.
Tnx de Mal/G3KEV 
You certainly can't get much more LF than that:-)
 
Joking apart, I've never even considered making one.
You can buy them new online for around £15, standard 5 volt supply via the coax, and I would have thought it could end up costing more than that to make your own in small quantities.
 
regards
 
Nigel
G8PZR
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:19:05 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dva0z-0005O6-Mi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:19:05 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dva0z-0005MT-ER for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:19:01 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dva0S-0001mJ-0i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:18:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dva0R-0001mA-8t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:18:27 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DvaF5-00073I-2q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:33:36 +0100 Received: from altair ([147.197.215.111] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1Dva09-0003CS-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:18:09 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DvZzf-0003iq-3R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:17:39 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:17:38 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c58dee$2f258c90$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200507202019290658.0651F0B9@mail.zetnet.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk Subject: RE: LF: Combatting Loran Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John Rabson Sent: 20 July 2005 20:19 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Combatting Loran Jim, Do you think this approach would be worth trying at the surface station of a cave radio link? Regards, John G3PAI Dear John, LF Group, What you need to make this kind of scheme work is two antennas which have different relative amplitudes and/or phases of the wanted and unwanted signals. This allows you to adjust the amplitude and phase of one antenna output to cancel the unwanted signal from the other, but without at the same time cancelling the wanted signal. If you can arrange an auxiliary receiving antenna that picks up the Loran noise without picking up much of the cave radio signal, the system should work. I imagine this would be fairly easy due to the "near field" nature of the cave radio signal - just putting the auxiliary antenna further away from the cave radio TX should do the trick. Note that other noise sources present at either antenna generally will add rather than cancel in the combined output, so it is important that the additional antenna has a good SNR (or Loran noise/Other noise Ratio might be a better way of putting it) if you expect to improve the overall SNR. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:38:28 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DvYRe-00087D-VY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:38:28 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DvYRe-00086q-OE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:38:26 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DvYRb-0001JX-Co for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:38:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DvYRa-0001JN-UM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:38:22 +0100 Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.5]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DvYgC-0006lk-Hz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:53:29 +0100 Received: from GandalfG8@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id l.1e9.4053d91f (2612) for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:38:09 -0400 (EDT) From: GandalfG8@aol.com Message-ID: <1e9.4053d91f.3010d510@aol.com> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 06:38:08 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 Subject: Re: LF: GPS ANT Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
In a message dated 21/07/2005 11:32:37 GMT Daylight Time, g3kev.ham@virgin.net writes:
Hi All
Does anyone have a good active antenna design for a GPS rx.
Tnx de Mal/G3KEV 
You certainly can't get much more LF than that:-)
 
Joking apart, I've never even considered making one.
You can buy them new online for around £15, standard 5 volt supply via the coax, and I would have thought it could end up costing more than that to make your own in small quantities.
 
regards
 
Nigel
G8PZR
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:37:58 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DvYRC-0005Jo-4H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:37:58 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DvYRB-0005JI-W0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:37:58 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DvYQw-0001Hx-Dj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:37:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DvYQv-0001Ho-RP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:37:41 +0100 Received: from ams-iport-1.cisco.com ([144.254.224.140]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DvYfW-0006lc-Ln for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:52:48 +0100 Received: from ams-core-1.cisco.com (144.254.224.150) by ams-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP; 21 Jul 2005 12:37:34 +0200 Received: from cisco.com (mrwint.cisco.com [64.103.71.48]) by ams-core-1.cisco.com (8.12.10/8.12.6) with ESMTP id j6LAbUDg012787 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 12:37:31 +0200 (MEST) Received: from zen.co.uk (dhcp-rea-gp250-64-103-65-182.cisco.com [64.103.65.182]) by cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00938 for ; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:37:29 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <42DF7AEA.9000609@zen.co.uk> Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:37:30 +0100 From: Stewart Bryant User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c58dd7$0678eb00$bee8fc3e@l8p8y6> In-Reply-To: <000c01c58dd7$0678eb00$bee8fc3e@l8p8y6> Subject: Re: LF: GPS ANT Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) They are very cheap on ebay Stewart hamilton mal wrote: > Hi All > Does anyone have a good active antenna design for a GPS rx. > Tnx de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:32:37 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DvYM0-0004u2-My for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:32:37 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DvYM0-0004tq-Dr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:32:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DvYKi-0001DS-5X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:31:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DvYKh-0001DJ-JW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:31:15 +0100 Received: from sp0148.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.148] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DvYZH-0006ko-PI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 11:46:22 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.190) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.0.038) id 42D6F72B001C312C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:31:10 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c58dd7$0678eb00$bee8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 10:31:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: GPS ANT Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
Does anyone have a good active antenna design for a GPS rx.
Tnx de Mal/G3KEV 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:20:39 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DvK7S-0007wQ-Pi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:20:39 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DvK7S-0007vd-IL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:20:38 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DvK6X-00006g-Ge for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:19:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DvK6W-00006X-U3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:19:40 +0100 Received: from mailout.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.231]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DvKF4-0005HQ-Jy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:28:32 +0100 Received: from irwell.zetnet.co.uk ([194.247.47.48] helo=zetnet.co.uk) by mailout.zetnet.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DvK6U-0001jC-Ta for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:19:38 +0100 Received: from john-b5a82ea1a4 (40-077.dialup.zetnet.co.uk [194.247.40.77]) by zetnet.co.uk (8.13.4/8.13.4/Debian-1) with ESMTP id j6KJJZ8O020351 for ; Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:19:37 +0100 Message-ID: <200507202019290658.0651F0B9@mail.zetnet.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <001001c58ab2$0cd7acc0$dd088751@w4o8m9> References: <001001c58ab2$0cd7acc0$dd088751@w4o8m9> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (K) Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 20:19:29 +0100 From: "John Rabson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Combatting Loran Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Jim, Do you think this approach would be worth trying at the surface station of a cave radio link? Regards, John G3PAI *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 17/07/2005 at 10:27 James Moritz wrote: >Dear LF Group, > >Since the new Rugby Loran renders all except local 136k amateur signals >inaudible at my QTH, I have been trying some experiments to see what can >be done to improve the situation. I have used loop antennas to null the >noise from Lessay coming from a rougly SW direction for a long time, but >the direction to Rugby is roughly NW, so using a loop it is only possible >to null one Loran at a time - plus, with a null in a NW direction, the >other null is SE, which reduces many European signals too. > >What is required is an antenna with two nulls which can be "steered" so >that the nulls have an arbitrary difference in angle between them, rather >than being fixed at 180degrees. A unidirectional cardioid pattern with a >single null can be obtained by summing equal signal levels from a loop >antenna and a vertical, as used in D/F. If the signal from the vertical is >attenuated, you get a pattern intermediate between a cardioid and a >figure-of-eight, i.e. an asymetrical "8" with one lobe smaller than the >other, and the null angles skewed away from 180 degrees, by an amount >which depends on the relative signal levels from the two antennas. > >To implement this, I used one of the "bandpass loops" (see G3YXM's >"features" page). In principle, the TX vertical antenna could be used, but >at my QTH this picks up a lot of mains noise, plus it has a narrow >bandwidth which would cause the amplitude and phase to vary a lot across >the band, so I built a seperate "bandpass vertical", with a double-tuned >input similar to the loop, and a bandwidth of about 15kHz. Each antenna >has a preamp, and the signals are combined using an RC amplitude/phase >adjusting network not unlike a "noise canceller". > >To set this up, I aligned the loop so its maximum direction was mid-way >between the bearings to Lessay and Rugby - about E-W at my QTH. Then I >adjusted the signal levels from each antenna individually so that the >Loran noise was about the same. Then both signals were added together , >and the phase control adjusted for minimum Loran. Then amplitude, phase >and the position of the antenna were iteratively tweaked for the best >results. > >The results are better than I expected - see the attached SpecLab spectra >- the audible Loran chatter is virtually eliminated , and only very slight >tweaking is required from one end of the band to the other to maintain the >null. As a bonus, it also nulls the "Watford Whistle" power line carrier >on about 136.645kHz, which is always annoying here. I was able to copy >DL1DQZ, DK7SU and F6BWO this morning, which with nulling disabled were >completely inaudible. It proved important to de-tune the TX vertical to >prevent it "sucking out" signal from the RX vertical - this is much more >pronounced than with the RX loop antenna. I think the antenna pattern >should give good coverage of Europe and Scandinavia and beyond, although >not very good for the western UK and GI/EI, or North America. But with the >very narrow band modes used for transatlantic DX, the Loran noise is less >of a problem. So once I get the current lash-up sorted out, with some T/R >switching, I should be back in business again :-) > >Cheers, Jim Moritz >73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:53:03 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Duz5K-0000Gu-6G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:53:03 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Duz5K-0000Gh-39 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:53:02 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Duz45-000746-8L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:51:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Duz44-00073x-MB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 21:51:44 +0100 Received: from siaag2ag.compuserve.com ([149.174.40.140]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DuzHu-0000fT-L8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:06:03 +0100 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by siaag2ag.compuserve.com (8.12.11/8.12.7/SUN-2.17) id j6JKpakF018654 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:51:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 16:51:29 -0400 From: Roger1 To: "INTERNET:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" Message-ID: <200507191651_MC3-1-A48B-66FA@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Subject: LF: Watford Whistle Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) To G3WKL, Re the location of the power line in your property, do you have any friends who have the gift of dowsing? I would willingly dowse it for you but, sadly, I'm too far away. 73 from Roger, G2AJV. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:41:33 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DuobU-0000L9-GN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:41:33 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DuobU-0000Kd-2w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:41:32 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DuoaW-0006Qn-Nt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:40:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DuoaW-0006Qe-33 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:40:32 +0100 Received: from olympus.pncl.co.uk ([195.224.180.233] helo=mailhost-av.pncl.co.uk) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Duoo8-0006qu-1l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:54:37 +0100 Received: from AUG2004 (82-133-115-185.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [82.133.115.185]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailhost-av.pncl.co.uk (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j6J9eIW5003267 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:40:18 +0100 Message-ID: <001701c58c45$df345cb0$2101a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001801c58c2b$a44317f0$0c01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 10:40:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Pinnacle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Pinnacle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: blanch@pncl.co.uk Subject: LF: Watford Whistle Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Message
It's also been audible here for years and as Jim says is just a steady unmodulated carrier. Nulls are about E-W so must be somewhere north from here (30 kms SW of London, IO91UF).
 
Walter G3JKV.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2005 7:32 AM
Subject: LF: RE: RE: Watford Whistle

Thanks Jim,   thanks for the info.  I've never been able to locate where my underground cable runs across my property, but I'm encouraged to do some more work when time permits to track down and understand the QRN
 
73 John, G3WKL

This is a CW carrier that has been present on 136.645 or thereabouts for as long as I have been listening on LF from my present QTH. It is of the order of several uV/m, so quite strong when the band is quiet, and often makes it difficult to copy CW stations here. It is just a carrier, with no modulation I can detect, and I have never known it to be QRT.

 

I D/F’d it a few years ago to a 400kV overhead power line that runs from a switching yard near Aldenham, Watford, just beside the M1 motorway, to another switching yard north of Luton, also beside the M1. The signal strength increases very rapidly under the lines, so I guess the signal is transmitted differentially between two or more of the conductors, and the radiated carrier is just “leakage” from the transmission line caused by imbalance of one kind or another.

 

I believe the range 9kHz to 148.5kHz is used in Europe for power line signaling - If you want to find out whether a particular power line is carrying a similar signal, I would recommend going /P and getting as close up to the power line as possible – the high signal strength will then make it relatively easy to differentiate between power line signals and the other noises one hears on LF. It should be fairly easy to follow the route of the cable, and see if the noise is associated with it at several places – LF noise seems to propagate for a long way down most kinds of cable.

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:52:33 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dulxx-00061R-0b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:52:33 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dulxw-00061J-TO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:52:32 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dulxf-0006DW-PA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:52:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dulxf-0006DN-6W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:52:15 +0100 Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DumBB-00069X-Tb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 08:06:16 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6J6piNv023189 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:51:44 -0500 Message-ID: <42DCA31A.9040003@genesiswireless.us> Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 01:52:10 -0500 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: we0h@genesiswireless.us Subject: Re: LF: XDW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) That would be a good time for Dex to fire up a big amp into his monster flattop on 136kc. My loops tuning changes at night also. Don't remember which way but it certainly changed every night. Not far enough to cause problems but enough to see local radiated signals change from daytime. I'll see what I can do as far as radiating a big signal by then. All the parts are here but laying in a pile on my bench as usual... -- Mike WE0H WD2XGI EN35hj Laurence KL1X wrote: > WD2XDW is on 137.775-137.7755 stepping up staircase carrier - 90 sec > or so duration - 1Kw output. NO DCF39 when I listened but it stil a > "lit" part for the most parton that path > > Thunderstorms in vicinity to may have to qrt but I think they are > declining tonight near a stalled cold front. > > First airing of the Jim BMU tuning meter this evening - and its > marvellous to watch the vairation in phase during the day which from > the first 24 hours definately has a cyclic quality with the loop going > capacitive at night when the temp drops from close to 100F at 51 pc > rel humidty down to 81F and 70 pc or greater - mind you it may be the > G2/3 mica caps changing C as it cools out there but I dont think so. > > > Namibia - > > Early prelim warning of a possible LF DXpedition to V51 in Late Feb > early March 2006 - although in earlies of planning stages I hope to > get a few days listening and possible X banding in if poss. Location > will be in the moutains at 5500ft asl near Aris about 15 miles South > of Windhoek the capital of Namibia in Southern Africa - Ill be there > teaching "radio" and doing some refub work on the charities HF radio > system. I had fun working back to Europe on 6m with 2 Watts last time > I was in situ so hope to hear/see something. Never say never.. > > Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq oklahoma > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:33:16 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DulfG-0005nE-VO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:33:16 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DulfG-0005lO-Kz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:33:14 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Duleg-00068i-59 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:32:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dulef-00068Z-DL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:32:37 +0100 Received: from rutherford.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.142]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dulmd-0002uP-Fh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:40:53 +0100 Received: from [82.68.18.174] (helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by rutherford.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1Dulec-0003GH-RL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 06:32:35 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 07:32:26 +0100 Message-ID: <001801c58c2b$a44317f0$0c01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <000001c58b93$9f97b460$e6a4c593@RD40002> Importance: Normal X-Originating-Rutherford-IP: [82.68.18.174] Subject: LF: RE: RE: Watford Whistle Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Message
Thanks Jim,   thanks for the info.  I've never been able to locate where my underground cable runs across my property, but I'm encouraged to do some more work when time permits to track down and understand the QRN
 
73 John, G3WKL

This is a CW carrier that has been present on 136.645 or thereabouts for as long as I have been listening on LF from my present QTH. It is of the order of several uV/m, so quite strong when the band is quiet, and often makes it difficult to copy CW stations here. It is just a carrier, with no modulation I can detect, and I have never known it to be QRT.

 

I D/F’d it a few years ago to a 400kV overhead power line that runs from a switching yard near Aldenham, Watford, just beside the M1 motorway, to another switching yard north of Luton, also beside the M1. The signal strength increases very rapidly under the lines, so I guess the signal is transmitted differentially between two or more of the conductors, and the radiated carrier is just “leakage” from the transmission line caused by imbalance of one kind or another.

 

I believe the range 9kHz to 148.5kHz is used in Europe for power line signaling - If you want to find out whether a particular power line is carrying a similar signal, I would recommend going /P and getting as close up to the power line as possible – the high signal strength will then make it relatively easy to differentiate between power line signals and the other noises one hears on LF. It should be fairly easy to follow the route of the cable, and see if the noise is associated with it at several places – LF noise seems to propagate for a long way down most kinds of cable.

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 19 Jul 2005 04:49:54 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Duj7B-0004Bb-Pd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 04:49:54 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Duj7B-0004BL-K1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 04:49:53 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Duj6V-0005wr-OJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 04:49:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Duj6U-0005wi-Uj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 04:49:11 +0100 Received: from bay102-f17.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.27] helo=hotmail.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DujJz-0005TH-Mo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 05:03:08 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 20:49:02 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.205 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 19 Jul 2005 03:49:02 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.205] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 19:49:02 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Jul 2005 03:49:02.0865 (UTC) FILETIME=[CDB98810:01C58C14] Subject: LF: XDW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit WD2XDW is on 137.775-137.7755 stepping up staircase carrier - 90 sec or so duration - 1Kw output. NO DCF39 when I listened but it stil a "lit" part for the most parton that path Thunderstorms in vicinity to may have to qrt but I think they are declining tonight near a stalled cold front. First airing of the Jim BMU tuning meter this evening - and its marvellous to watch the vairation in phase during the day which from the first 24 hours definately has a cyclic quality with the loop going capacitive at night when the temp drops from close to 100F at 51 pc rel humidty down to 81F and 70 pc or greater - mind you it may be the G2/3 mica caps changing C as it cools out there but I dont think so. Namibia - Early prelim warning of a possible LF DXpedition to V51 in Late Feb early March 2006 - although in earlies of planning stages I hope to get a few days listening and possible X banding in if poss. Location will be in the moutains at 5500ft asl near Aris about 15 miles South of Windhoek the capital of Namibia in Southern Africa - Ill be there teaching "radio" and doing some refub work on the charities HF radio system. I had fun working back to Europe on 6m with 2 Watts last time I was in situ so hope to hear/see something. Never say never.. Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq oklahoma From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:26:18 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DuUhN-0001M8-Sq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:26:18 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DuUhN-0001M1-Oe for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:26:17 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DuUgs-0003p3-Ao for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:25:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DuUgr-0003ou-Lm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:25:45 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DuUoX-0007bj-Ig for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:33:43 +0100 Received: from altair ([147.197.215.111] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1DuUfz-0006CL-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:24:51 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DuUfU-0000Z1-Qo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:24:20 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 13:24:20 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c58b93$9f97b460$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <002a01c58b88$708a92b0$0c01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: RE: Watford Whistle Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Message

Dear John, LF group,

 

This is a CW carrier that has been present on 136.645 or thereabouts for as long as I have been listening on LF from my present QTH. It is of the order of several uV/m, so quite strong when the band is quiet, and often makes it difficult to copy CW stations here. It is just a carrier, with no modulation I can detect, and I have never known it to be QRT.

 

I D/F’d it a few years ago to a 400kV overhead power line that runs from a switching yard near Aldenham, Watford, just beside the M1 motorway, to another switching yard north of Luton, also beside the M1. The signal strength increases very rapidly under the lines, so I guess the signal is transmitted differentially between two or more of the conductors, and the radiated carrier is just “leakage” from the transmission line caused by imbalance of one kind or another.

 

I believe the range 9kHz to 148.5kHz is used in Europe for power line signaling - If you want to find out whether a particular power line is carrying a similar signal, I would recommend going /P and getting as close up to the power line as possible – the high signal strength will then make it relatively easy to differentiate between power line signals and the other noises one hears on LF. It should be fairly easy to follow the route of the cable, and see if the noise is associated with it at several places – LF noise seems to propagate for a long way down most kinds of cable.

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John W Gould
Sent: 18 July 2005 12:04
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Watford Whistle

 

Apart from the interesting account of the nulling experiment, below, I was intrigued by the mention of the "Watford Whistle" - grateful if Jim or others could elaborate on this or known power-line transmission systems used here in the UK.  On occasions I have a huge amount to 100Hz related QRN, which I can put down to power-line QRM (I have an underground power cable running across my garden somewhere) or the proverbial switch mode PSUs.

 

73 John, G3WKL

 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:05:28 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DuTR9-0001eF-8d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:05:28 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DuTR9-0001e2-3S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:05:27 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DuTQF-0003ad-8F for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:04:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DuTQD-0003aU-CY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:04:29 +0100 Received: from pythagoras.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.140]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DuTdK-0003cb-CY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:18:05 +0100 Received: from [82.68.18.174] (helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by pythagoras.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DuTQ4-0005EG-3E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 18 Jul 2005 11:04:20 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 18 Jul 2005 12:04:11 +0100 Message-ID: <002a01c58b88$708a92b0$0c01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001001c58ab2$0cd7acc0$dd088751@w4o8m9> X-Originating-Pythagoras-IP: [82.68.18.174] Subject: LF: Watford Whistle Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Message
Apart from the interesting account of the nulling experiment, below, I was intrigued by the mention of the "Watford Whistle" - grateful if Jim or others could elaborate on this or known power-line transmission systems used here in the UK.  On occasions I have a huge amount to 100Hz related QRN, which I can put down to power-line QRM (I have an underground power cable running across my garden somewhere) or the proverbial switch mode PSUs.
 
73 John, G3WKL
Since the new Rugby Loran renders all except local 136k amateur signals inaudible at my QTH, I have been trying some experiments to see what can be done to improve the situation. I have used loop antennas to null the noise from Lessay coming from a rougly SW direction for a long time, but the direction to Rugby is roughly NW, so using a loop it is only possible to null one Loran at a time - plus, with a null in a NW direction, the other null is SE, which reduces many European signals too.
 
What is required is an antenna with two nulls which can be "steered" so that the nulls have an arbitrary difference in angle between them, rather than being fixed at 180degrees. A unidirectional cardioid pattern with a single null can be obtained by summing equal signal levels from a loop antenna and a vertical, as used in D/F. If the signal from the vertical is attenuated, you get a pattern intermediate between a cardioid and a figure-of-eight, i.e. an asymetrical "8" with one lobe smaller than the other, and the null angles skewed away from 180 degrees, by an amount which depends on the relative signal levels from the two antennas.
 
To implement this, I used one of the "bandpass loops" (see G3YXM's "features" page). In principle, the TX vertical antenna could be used, but at my QTH this picks up a lot of mains noise, plus it has a narrow bandwidth which would cause the amplitude and phase to vary a lot across the band, so I built a seperate "bandpass vertical", with a double-tuned input similar to the loop, and a bandwidth of about 15kHz. Each antenna has a preamp, and the signals are combined using an RC amplitude/phase adjusting network not unlike a "noise canceller".
 
To set this up, I aligned the loop so its maximum direction was mid-way between the bearings to Lessay and Rugby - about E-W at my QTH. Then I adjusted the signal levels from each antenna individually so that the Loran noise was about the same. Then both signals were added together , and the phase control adjusted for minimum Loran. Then amplitude, phase and the position of the antenna were iteratively tweaked for the best results.
 
The results are better than I expected - see the attached SpecLab spectra - the audible Loran chatter is virtually eliminated , and only very slight tweaking is required from one end of the band to the other to maintain the null. As a bonus, it also nulls the "Watford Whistle" power line carrier on about 136.645kHz, which is always annoying here. I was able to copy DL1DQZ, DK7SU and F6BWO this morning, which with nulling disabled were completely inaudible. It proved important to de-tune the TX vertical to prevent it "sucking out" signal from the RX vertical - this is much more pronounced than with the RX loop antenna. I think the antenna pattern should give good coverage of Europe and Scandinavia and beyond, although not very good for the western UK and GI/EI, or North America. But with the very narrow band modes used for transatlantic DX, the Loran noise is less of a problem. So once I get the current lash-up sorted out, with some T/R switching, I should be back in business again :-)
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
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Hi Jim,
 
Oops...I assumed Lessay was in the U.K.  WRONG...sorry for the silly question!
 
73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
EN93dr
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:44:19 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DuFzn-00019i-0B for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:44:19 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DuFzm-00019W-SN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:44:18 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DuFzZ-0001V1-Cv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:44:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DuFzY-0001Us-Vx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:44:05 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DuGCO-0001g4-Ht for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 21:57:23 +0100 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6HKgjOn007243 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:42:45 -0400 Received: from server (dial223-ripley2.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.149.223]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6HKiHIH010708 for ; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 16:44:23 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <000d01c58b08$cfd6fea0$df952ed8@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001001c58ab2$0cd7acc0$dd088751@w4o8m9> Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:49:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Re: Combatting Loran Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Jim,
 
Where is the Lessay loran station...I can't find it on my copy of the AA's road Altas for the U.K.  My wife being from Cardiff, Wales, I enjoy seeing where all of you fellows are located across "the pond".
 
Cheers, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL
EN93dr
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:52:42 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DuFBn-0004q0-OJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:52:42 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DuFBn-0004pg-KW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:52:39 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DuFBB-0001JX-Ef for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:52:01 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DuFBA-0001JO-JW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:52:00 +0100 Received: from shawmail.shawcable.com ([64.59.128.220] helo=bpd2mo1no.prod.shawcable.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DuFB8-0007Sx-FZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 20:52:00 +0100 Received: from bpd2mi6no.prod.shawcable.com (bpd2mi6no-qfe3.prod.shawcable.com [10.0.184.161]) by bpd2mo1no.prod.shawcable.com (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IJS00JQLF6FTW00@bpd2mo1no.prod.shawcable.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:51:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (S010600a0cc32016a.vc.shawcable.net [24.85.249.58]) by bpd2mi6no.prod.shawcable.com (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IJS00133F6FX200@bpd2mi6no.prod.shawcable.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 13:51:51 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 12:52:07 -0700 From: "Ya`akov N. Miles" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <42DAB6E7.8000903@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 Subject: LF: Fortran program calculates Rad. Resistance of small loops Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Please consider this (GNU F77) Fortran prog to find loop radiation resistance ftp://ftp.yehudi.ca/ham-radio/r_loop.f This is written in generic Fortran and should run on most Fortran compilers. -- Linux - In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates? Visit http://www.anastasiafoundation.com and have a *great* day and http://www.da.ru to simplify and cloak your Website URL. Cool links Website http://www.yaakov.ca <== Now powered by shaw.ca - Linux CDs $1 each From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:47:28 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DuDEc-0002bH-QE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:47:28 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DuDEc-0002b9-MJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:47:26 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DuDDs-00011G-8O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:46:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DuDDr-000117-Cw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:46:39 +0100 Received: from shawmail.shawcable.com ([64.59.128.220] helo=bpd2mo1no.prod.shawcable.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DuDQc-0001LR-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 18:59:54 +0100 Disposition-notification-to: ve7alq_lf@shaw.ca Received: from bpd2mi6no.prod.shawcable.com (bpd2mi6no-qfe3.prod.shawcable.com [10.0.184.161]) by bpd2mo1no.prod.shawcable.com (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IJS00D6H9DGP9B0@bpd2mo1no.prod.shawcable.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:46:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.7] (S010600a0cc32016a.vc.shawcable.net [24.85.249.58]) by bpd2mi6no.prod.shawcable.com (Sun ONE Messaging Server 6.0 HotFix 1.01 (built Mar 15 2004)) with ESMTP id <0IJS0000O9DGQ200@bpd2mi6no.prod.shawcable.com> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 11:46:28 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:46:43 -0700 From: "Ya`akov N. Miles" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <42DA9983.9080002@shaw.ca> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.7.8) Gecko/20050511 Subject: LF: Apparent Error in "LF Today", g3xdv, formula page 83 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) I notice that the book "LF Today" put out by Alex Dennison, g3xdv appears to have missed a parameter its loop radiation resistance formula as stated on page 83 Rr = 320 * (pi**4) * A*A/(Wavelength**2) This equation does not scale with wavelength even if the area A is scaled proportionately with the Wavelength. I believe this should be Rr = 320 * (pi**4) * A*A/(Wavelength**4) This can be simplified (for circular loops of diameter D) Rr = 17228. * ((D/Wavelength)**4) and this equation gives answers which agree with published data elsewhere. -- Linux - In a world without walls and fences, who needs Windows and Gates? Visit http://www.anastasiafoundation.com and have a *great* day and http://www.da.ru to simplify and cloak your Website URL. Cool links Website http://www.yaakov.ca <== Now powered by shaw.ca - Linux CDs $1 each From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:32:59 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Du5W6-0000uA-DB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:32:59 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Du5W5-0000u1-Ni for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:32:58 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Du5UK-0008TB-7I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:31:08 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Du5UJ-0008T2-77 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:31:07 +0100 Received: from smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.198]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Du5UH-0005ia-U9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:31:07 +0100 Received: (qmail 22252 invoked from network); 17 Jul 2005 09:31:00 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?81.135.8.221?) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.135.8.221 with login) by smtp808.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Jul 2005 09:30:48 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.323 [267.8.16]); Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:29:37 +0100 Message-ID: <001001c58ab2$0cd7acc0$dd088751@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2005 10:27:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Combatting Loran Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050905080306000308000800" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050905080306000308000800 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Dear LF Group,
 
Since the new Rugby Loran renders all except local 136k amateur signals inaudible at my QTH, I have been trying some experiments to see what can be done to improve the situation. I have used loop antennas to null the noise from Lessay coming from a rougly SW direction for a long time, but the direction to Rugby is roughly NW, so using a loop it is only possible to null one Loran at a time - plus, with a null in a NW direction, the other null is SE, which reduces many European signals too.
 
What is required is an antenna with two nulls which can be "steered" so that the nulls have an arbitrary difference in angle between them, rather than being fixed at 180degrees. A unidirectional cardioid pattern with a single null can be obtained by summing equal signal levels from a loop antenna and a vertical, as used in D/F. If the signal from the vertical is attenuated, you get a pattern intermediate between a cardioid and a figure-of-eight, i.e. an asymetrical "8" with one lobe smaller than the other, and the null angles skewed away from 180 degrees, by an amount which depends on the relative signal levels from the two antennas.
 
To implement this, I used one of the "bandpass loops" (see G3YXM's "features" page). In principle, the TX vertical antenna could be used, but at my QTH this picks up a lot of mains noise, plus it has a narrow bandwidth which would cause the amplitude and phase to vary a lot across the band, so I built a seperate "bandpass vertical", with a double-tuned input similar to the loop, and a bandwidth of about 15kHz. Each antenna has a preamp, and the signals are combined using an RC amplitude/phase adjusting network not unlike a "noise canceller".
 
To set this up, I aligned the loop so its maximum direction was mid-way between the bearings to Lessay and Rugby - about E-W at my QTH. Then I adjusted the signal levels from each antenna individually so that the Loran noise was about the same. Then both signals were added together , and the phase control adjusted for minimum Loran. Then amplitude, phase and the position of the antenna were iteratively tweaked for the best results.
 
The results are better than I expected - see the attached SpecLab spectra - the audible Loran chatter is virtually eliminated , and only very slight tweaking is required from one end of the band to the other to maintain the null. As a bonus, it also nulls the "Watford Whistle" power line carrier on about 136.645kHz, which is always annoying here. I was able to copy DL1DQZ, DK7SU and F6BWO this morning, which with nulling disabled were completely inaudible. It proved important to de-tune the TX vertical to prevent it "sucking out" signal from the RX vertical - this is much more pronounced than with the RX loop antenna. I think the antenna pattern should give good coverage of Europe and Scandinavia and beyond, although not very good for the western UK and GI/EI, or North America. But with the very narrow band modes used for transatlantic DX, the Loran noise is less of a problem. So once I get the current lash-up sorted out, with some T/R switching, I should be back in business again :-)
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
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rutherford.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.142]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DtS5I-0001pm-BI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:26:44 +0100 Received: from [82.68.18.174] (helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by rutherford.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1DtS5H-000176-RH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 15:26:40 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 16:26:34 +0100 Message-ID: <002b01c58951$988c3950$0c01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001901c582c0$fe0417e0$0c01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> X-Originating-Rutherford-IP: [82.68.18.174] Subject: LF: Discussion of HF papers for IARU Region 1 Conference Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Message

 This might appear to be "off topic" but I would like to inform all UK Amateurs on this reflector of a discussion group at  http://uk.groups.yahoo.com/group/ukc4discussion/   that has been set up for prior discussion of the HF papers at this year's IARU Region 1 Conference.  Of relevance to this group are the papers on band planning and the report from the 500kHz Working Group.  I might point out that we will only be discussing the papers that have been accepted for the C4 Committee (HF), new topics can't be formally raised.

 I am sorry that this discussion group is only open to UK amateurs, but it would be inappropriate for amateurs from other countries participating in what is a local discussion.  Their chance comes at the Region 1 Conference itself  - members of the list outside Region 1 will have to wait for their own IARU Conference!

If you qualify and want to join the discussion group, follow the link above and the joining instructions.

73 John, G3WKL

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:16:28 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DtOB8-0006ZY-T4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:16:28 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DtOB8-0006Yy-Oo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:16:26 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DtOAN-00014Z-RU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:15:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DtOAN-00014Q-Gu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:15:39 +0100 Received: from mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.119]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DtOGv-0005iU-20 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 12:22:26 +0100 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.142]) by mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050715111524.FEGA1901.mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:15:24 +1200 Received: from bob2l2u6k2n1g3 ([210.86.93.198]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050715111523.NQID1236.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:15:23 +1200 Message-ID: <005701c5892e$89ed5320$e801a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 23:15:39 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: XDW onb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Laurence KL1X and Steve VE7SL, Some bits of XDW seen, nil from VE7SL. 73, Bob ZL2CA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:37:33 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DtF8u-0000tQ-P1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:37:33 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DtF8u-0000tJ-AQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:37:32 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DtF8B-0008Fk-Hs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:36:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DtF8A-0008Fb-HW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:36:46 +0100 Received: from bay102-f42.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.52] helo=hotmail.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DtFJf-0002M0-OX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 02:48:40 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 18:36:37 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.205 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 01:36:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.205] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 17:36:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2005 01:36:37.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[A445B970:01C588DD] Subject: LF: XDW onb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit XDW on 0130z qrss90 137.7752/6 500W output - old exciter. Vy 73 Laurence KL1X WD2XDW em26aq okie From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:35:40 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DtBMo-0006zV-Gc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:35:40 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DtBMo-0006zA-D6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:35:38 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DtBM3-0007qX-KZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:34:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DtBM3-0007qO-9M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:34:51 +0100 Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.187]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DtBSN-000353-Bc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 22:41:25 +0100 Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.143]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050714213432.WCLL22277.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:34:32 +1200 Received: from bob2l2u6k2n1g3 ([210.86.93.198]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050714213425.DCCN1606.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> for ; Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:34:26 +1200 Message-ID: <001a01c588bb$d929e2f0$e801a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <71860121.20050714063416@t-online.de> <003301c588a3$9d557f40$7411f4cc@p1i5f0> Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2005 09:32:56 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: VE7SL TX Sked Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Steve VE7SL, I'll have a go as well. Note that compared to ZL4OL's coastal siting relative to North America directions, I've got over 100 km of land at the ZL end. 73, Bob ZL2CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve McDonald" To: Sent: Friday, July 15, 2005 6:41 AM Subject: LF: VE7SL TX Sked > > I will be beaconing tonight for Mike ZL4OL to try and take advantage of > the > 'almost' grayline condx at the present time. > QRSS60 /137.7775 from 0500Z- 1200Z...all reports welcome! > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:37:28 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dt8aM-0007I9-Id for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:37:28 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dt8aM-0007Hy-AD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:37:26 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dt8ZH-0007ZK-Gw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:36:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dt8ZG-0007ZB-GE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:36:18 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dt8kb-0001ky-2h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 19:48:03 +0100 Received: from p1i5f0 (unknown [204.244.17.116]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0BD04B72EC for ; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:36:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003301c588a3$9d557f40$7411f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <71860121.20050714063416@t-online.de> Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 11:41:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: VE7SL TX Sked Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) I will be beaconing tonight for Mike ZL4OL to try and take advantage of the 'almost' grayline condx at the present time. QRSS60 /137.7775 from 0500Z- 1200Z...all reports welcome! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:36:05 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsvS8-0001xX-VU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:36:05 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsvS8-0001xB-PV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:36:04 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DsvRT-0006Nb-4C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:35:23 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DsvRS-0006NS-J1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:35:22 +0100 Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.83]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DsvRQ-00030j-Ex for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 05:35:22 +0100 Received: from fwd22.aul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DsvRP-0006sg-00; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:35:19 +0200 Received: from HW1 (TvLnYwZvgeX+fTwkxKfriDkdQIH+km0K9gOX8ltC8bOEunIgySMZgp@[84.133.126.107]) by fwd22.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1DsvRC-1iMctc0; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:35:06 +0200 Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 06:34:16 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <71860121.20050714063416@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: TvLnYwZvgeX+fTwkxKfriDkdQIH+km0K9gOX8ltC8bOEunIgySMZgp X-TOI-MSGID: 374267ec-c428-4992-bd92-58390c1f28e1 Subject: LF: TA July, 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Copied nearly two VO1NA callsigns in QRSS60 0015-0250 UTC. Weak copy of the QRSS30 signal from WD2XGJ until about 0205 then changed in QRSS60. Signal faded out 0230 UTC. Also weak copy of two full "XES" strings 0120-0215 UTC. Nothing else copied. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:22:23 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DspcU-0003bz-0q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:22:23 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DspcT-0003aL-PS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:22:21 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dspc8-0005q8-9N for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:22:00 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dspc7-0005pz-Q6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:21:59 +0100 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dspc6-0001nz-Fl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:21:59 +0100 Received: from [194.97.55.192] (helo=mx8.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Dspc1-0000wy-RJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:21:53 +0200 Received: from p5486b088.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.176.136] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx8.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.52 #3) id 1Dspc1-0000ZV-5S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:21:53 +0200 Message-ID: <42D577E5.3050304@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:21:57 +0200 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <42D5747E.6050502@freenet.de> In-Reply-To: <42D5747E.6050502@freenet.de> Subject: Re: LF: Rugby lines Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030806000301080007060305" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030806000301080007060305 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Grumble - "something" threw out the screenshot which was embedded in the text. Here it is as an attachment (6 kB GIF image): Screenshot of Rugby noise from Jim's recording. 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rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:08:01 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DspOa-0005ER-VD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:08:01 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DspOa-0005E7-PN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:08:00 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DspO9-0005kz-3n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:07:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DspO8-0005kq-GM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:07:32 +0100 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DspU6-0007Zg-5A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 23:13:44 +0100 Received: from [194.97.50.144] (helo=mx1.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1DspO5-00070n-U4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:07:29 +0200 Received: from p5486b088.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.176.136] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx1.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.52 #3) id 1DspO5-0002bl-MX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2005 00:07:29 +0200 Message-ID: <42D5747E.6050502@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 22:07:26 +0200 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: LF: Rugby lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Dave, >The blanker idea may work but when there is such a large proportion of >noise, if you manage to cut it all out there isn't much signal left >anyway... > > > Well, the blanker would cost you about 1/5th along the time axis (see screenshot below). During the remaining 4/5th the receiver may run at maximum sensitivity - which would theoretically cost you about 2dB. This screenshot was made from Jim's recording (without the noiseblanker of course). Imagine you wiped out the pulse trains, and filled the "gaps" by using a receiver with a bandwidth of less than 1/GRI. Here: 1/63 milliseconds, which means RX bandwidth of less than ~ 15 Hz, which still suitable for moderate "normal" CW speeds. Of course, this principle only works as long as Rugby doesn't start dual-rated transmission (like some other Loran sites) - this would make things much more complicated. Best regards, Wolf DL4YHF From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:32:14 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dsntt-0006oW-Is for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:32:14 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dsntt-0006oL-Df for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:32:13 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DsntH-0005be-72 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:31:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DsntG-0005bV-KL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:31:34 +0100 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dso4A-0007Ow-Cc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:42:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 96662 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 20:31:26 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@217.43.204.60 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 20:31:25 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 21:31:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <42D5203E.2050506@freenet.de> Thread-Index: AcWHxSw2C38LYL1/QQ2v7r1DW3rNFgAI8EBA Message-Id: Subject: RE: LF: Rugby lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Wolf I left the AGC on so that the wanted signal was "pushed down" by the AGC action under the influence of the increased QRM. I then loaded the two traces into Spectrum lab and measured the strength of the carrier. The blanker idea may work but when there is such a large proportion of noise, if you manage to cut it all out there isn't much signal left anyway... Nothing seen in the (clear) trans-Atlantic window last night. 73 Dave G3YXM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Wolf DL4YHF Sent: 13 July 2005 15:08 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Rugby lines Hi Dave, You wrote: > That was done by measuring the "strength" of the tone when analysing > the wav files with Spectrum Lab. The receiver AGC made the peak noise > level the same I could read off the difference in tone level (in a > tiny bandwidth) . Did you turn your receiver's AGC off (or to "manual") when recording the files ? If not, the increase of the audio signal will not tell you the true story. Besides this, I played with some recent recordings which Jim sent me. Trying to subtract the spectrum of the Loran signal from the "wanted" signal, but this didn't work too well. And the automatic multi-notch function (which also acts upon the FFT'ed audio stream) also kills CW-type signals.. too bad. So the removal of the Loran noise must be done in the time domain, maybe similar to a classic "QRM eliminator" on the rcvr's antenna input. Here is how such a circuit could work: 1.) Build a broadband receiver for 100 kHz, which recovers the waveform of the Loran pulses 2.) Regenerate the pulses (constant amplitude) by means of a Schmitt-Trigger. 3.) Use these pulses to drive an analog switch to "blank" the 137 kHz receiver input. Or (a bit more complicated due to the need to demodulate "positive" and "negative" pulses): Add the harmonics of the regenerated Loran signals, with amplitude and phase carefully adjusted, to the 137 kHz signal (no blanking but subtraction). This may produce less unwanted sidebands, but requires an SSB-type receiver for the Loran signal with controlled 100 kHz L.O. . Well these are just a few thoughts... not verified the principle because Loran is rather weak here (or other kinds of QRM too strong ! ). Cheers, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:08:58 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dsjn7-0003Mi-G6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:08:57 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dsjn7-0003MV-BF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:08:57 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DsjmP-0005GB-U6 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:08:13 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DsjmP-0005G2-6f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:08:13 +0100 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DsjmN-0000Ca-7Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 17:08:12 +0100 Received: from [194.97.55.192] (helo=mx8.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1DsjmG-0001eH-5l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:08:04 +0200 Received: from p5486b088.dip0.t-ipconnect.de ([84.134.176.136] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx8.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.52 #3) id 1DsjmF-0000i5-SU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 18:08:04 +0200 Message-ID: <42D5203E.2050506@freenet.de> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 16:07:58 +0200 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: LF: Rugby lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Dave, You wrote: > That was done by measuring the "strength" of the tone when analysing > the wav files with Spectrum Lab. The receiver AGC made the peak noise > level the same I could read off the difference in tone level (in a > tiny bandwidth) . Did you turn your receiver's AGC off (or to "manual") when recording the files ? If not, the increase of the audio signal will not tell you the true story. Besides this, I played with some recent recordings which Jim sent me. Trying to subtract the spectrum of the Loran signal from the "wanted" signal, but this didn't work too well. And the automatic multi-notch function (which also acts upon the FFT'ed audio stream) also kills CW-type signals.. too bad. So the removal of the Loran noise must be done in the time domain, maybe similar to a classic "QRM eliminator" on the rcvr's antenna input. Here is how such a circuit could work: 1.) Build a broadband receiver for 100 kHz, which recovers the waveform of the Loran pulses 2.) Regenerate the pulses (constant amplitude) by means of a Schmitt-Trigger. 3.) Use these pulses to drive an analog switch to "blank" the 137 kHz receiver input. Or (a bit more complicated due to the need to demodulate "positive" and "negative" pulses): Add the harmonics of the regenerated Loran signals, with amplitude and phase carefully adjusted, to the 137 kHz signal (no blanking but subtraction). This may produce less unwanted sidebands, but requires an SSB-type receiver for the Loran signal with controlled 100 kHz L.O. . Well these are just a few thoughts... not verified the principle because Loran is rather weak here (or other kinds of QRM too strong ! ). Cheers, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:40:44 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsdjO-0001iu-1D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:40:44 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsdjM-0001fD-OC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:40:41 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dsdin-0004bI-1f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:40:05 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dsdim-0004b9-H9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:40:04 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.139]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dsdil-0006lD-9B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:40:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 47900 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 09:32:17 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.21.159 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 09:32:16 -0000 Message-ID: <001e01c5878d$b963ef80$9f158351@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <6.1.0.6.2.20050713093914.02ee5730@mail.casema.nl> Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 10:31:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: LF: Re: Article om LF ion QST Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Dick, thanks for those fine words. Joe and I hope that it will boost interest on the other side of the pond. It was quite well timed in conjunction with the ARRL announcement of the 500kHz application. Best Wishes de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick Rollema" To: "LF-Group" Sent: 13 July 2005 08:55 Subject: LF: Article om LF ion QST > To All from PA0SE > > QST of July 2005 features an article "The Transatlantic on 2200 Meters" by > Joe Craig, VO1NA and Alan Melia, G3NYK. > An excellent story with beautiful pictures of Joe's transmitter and antenna > and also the circuit diagram of Joe's class E transmitter. > Congratulations to Alan and Joe on this fine piece of work! > > May be this has been on the reflector before but during our recent holiday > I had unsubscribed for two weeks. > > 73, Dick, PA0SE > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:59:19 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dsc9G-00045d-Gb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:59:19 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dsc9G-00045M-9Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:59:18 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dsc92-0004Lh-Bp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:59:04 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dsc91-0004LY-MF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:59:03 +0100 Received: from cas-mta1-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.20] helo=mta.casema.nl) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dsc90-0006Sf-B2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:59:03 +0100 Received: from s9z5i6.casema.nl ([83.85.106.243]) by cas-mta1.mgmt.casema.nl (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.11 (built Jan 28 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IJK006HA3I5RH90@cas-mta1.mgmt.casema.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:58:56 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 09:55:27 +0200 From: Dick Rollema X-Sender: dickrollema@casema.nl@mail.casema.nl (Unverified) To: LF-Group Message-id: <6.1.0.6.2.20050713093914.02ee5730@mail.casema.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Subject: LF: Article om LF ion QST Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

QST of July 2005 features an article "The Transatlantic on 2200 Meters" by Joe Craig, VO1NA and Alan Melia, G3NYK.
An excellent story with beautiful pictures of Joe's transmitter and antenna and also the circuit diagram of Joe's class E transmitter.
Congratulations to Alan and Joe on this fine piece of work!

May be this has been on the reflector before but during our recent holiday I had unsubscribed for two weeks.

73, Dick, PA0SE   From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:23:30 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dsbab-0001Ln-Hq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:23:30 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dsbab-0001Jn-Co for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:23:29 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DsbZS-0004DM-8Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:22:18 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DsbZR-0004DD-MG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:22:17 +0100 Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.202]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DsbZO-0006M0-TE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:22:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 86009 invoked from network); 13 Jul 2005 07:22:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@217.43.204.60 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 13 Jul 2005 07:22:09 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 08:22:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <78.76d95591.30057b56@aol.com> Thread-Index: AcWHHHHrwpkragLcQymq2lkvknhshQAXmdFw Message-Id: Subject: RE: LF: Rugby lines Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
David
 
That was done by measuring the "strength" of the tone when analysing the wav files with Spectrum Lab. The receiver AGC made the peak noise level the same I could read off the difference in tone level (in a tiny bandwidth) .
The S meter on the receiver has gone from about S3 to S7 which would indicate a much worse degredation but who believes S meters?
I would very much doubt that there's any effect on LW BC band, that extra 20kHz will make a big difference.
 
Dave.

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of G0MRF@aol.com
Sent: 12 July 2005 21:00
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Rugby lines

In a message dated 12/07/2005 16:43:58 GMT Standard Time, dave@picks.force9.co.uk writes:
Note to David:
I have put the aerial back up and made the comparison recording and it
appears that the background is about 13dB higher here with Rubgy on. The
"S6" CW signal is now a good deal more difficult to copy! I will send the
recording is you need them.

73 and clackety-clack from Dave G3YXM.
Thanks Dave.
 
Only 13dB is quite a surprise. That's about 2 S points up from the background. Are you measuring in a reasonable bandwidth. 500Hz or above.
Apparently the output at 136kHz is only 48dB down on level at 100kHz.
 
Is there any sign of interference to 153 or any LF broadcaster?
 
Thanks
 
David
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:13:19 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsYcY-0002C1-Ca for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:13:19 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsYcY-0002Bk-9a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:13:18 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DsYbv-0003qz-K2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:12:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DsYbv-0003qq-7k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:12:39 +0100 Received: from mailout11.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.85]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DsYhb-0003bb-DH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 05:18:33 +0100 Received: from fwd25.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DsYbq-0005y0-00; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:12:34 +0200 Received: from HW1 (G01GgmZSre9-fD7QC2XYdaHpUj+oNAcnxQIHItgA3aBhklv+5LGNrf@[84.133.104.195]) by fwd25.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1DsYbc-21LHAe0; Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:12:20 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2005 06:12:16 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1491865708.20050713061216@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: G01GgmZSre9-fD7QC2XYdaHpUj+oNAcnxQIHItgA3aBhklv+5LGNrf X-TOI-MSGID: cfa389e2-f53f-4c83-acdf-c257e0aa0bc9 Subject: LF: TA July, 13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Only faint traces from VO1NA 0130-0230 UTC . 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:01:09 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsQwH-0003FB-AY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:01:09 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsQwH-0003F1-3S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:01:09 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DsQvj-0002ox-JO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:00:35 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DsQvi-0002oo-C4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:00:34 +0100 Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.6]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DsQvg-0004Ia-UZ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 21:00:34 +0100 Received: from G0MRF@aol.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id l.78.76d95591 (57341) for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:00:23 -0400 (EDT) From: G0MRF@aol.com Message-ID: <78.76d95591.30057b56@aol.com> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 16:00:22 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5014 Subject: Re: LF: Rugby lines Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
In a message dated 12/07/2005 16:43:58 GMT Standard Time, dave@picks.force9.co.uk writes:
Note to David:
I have put the aerial back up and made the comparison recording and it
appears that the background is about 13dB higher here with Rubgy on. The
"S6" CW signal is now a good deal more difficult to copy! I will send the
recording is you need them.

73 and clackety-clack from Dave G3YXM.
Thanks Dave.
 
Only 13dB is quite a surprise. That's about 2 S points up from the background. Are you measuring in a reasonable bandwidth. 500Hz or above.
Apparently the output at 136kHz is only 48dB down on level at 100kHz.
 
Is there any sign of interference to 153 or any LF broadcaster?
 
Thanks
 
David
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:44:06 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsPji-000815-5K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:44:06 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsPjh-00080w-Vw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:44:06 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DsPjY-0002fm-8k for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:43:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DsPjX-0002fd-PF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:43:55 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.197]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DsPp5-0001Oc-Gc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:49:40 +0100 Received: (qmail 82904 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 18:43:49 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?81.131.77.197?) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.77.197 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 18:43:48 -0000 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.323 [267.8.12]); Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:42:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000701c58711$7d113280$c54d8351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <3.0.6.32.20050712143614.00a42e18@magma.ca> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:42:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: Re: LF:Rugby lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Bill, LF Group, Yes, the 63710 should be 67310 - the 32 digit result is courtesy of the Windows calculator, but fortunately I used the right GRI for that.... Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill de Carle To: Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 7:36 PM Subject: Re: LF:Rugby lines > At 06:13 PM 7/12/2005 +0100, Jim Moritz wrote: > [..] > >Dear Dave, LF Group, > > > >The Rugby Loran lines are at frequencies of n x 1 / (2 x 63710us), or n x > >7.4283167434259396820680433813698Hz (give or take), where n is an integer, > >and 63710us is the GRI of the Lessay chain. For this one, n is 18548, the > >frequency is 137780.418957 to the nearest micro-hertz :-) > > When I did the above division on my inexpensive solar-powered calculator, > I got 7.8480615 Hz, not 7.4283167 etc Hz. Is this another case of can't > see the forest for the trees or should the GRI be 6731 instead of 6371? > I bet you took so much care to make sure you typed in the 32-digit number > correctly you shifted the typo to the other number (2 places!), right? > > Bill VE2IQ > now watch me have to eat crow :-) > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:36:40 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsPcV-0006sA-MX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:36:39 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsPcV-0006rk-JH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:36:39 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DsPcE-0002b9-6t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:36:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DsPcD-0002b0-SO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:36:21 +0100 Received: from mail.nrtco.net ([216.168.96.52]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DsPhk-0001N2-J9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 19:42:06 +0100 Received: from nocturna-y1zrar (nrtcorback-216-168-120-237.nrtco.net [216.168.120.237]) by mail.nrtco.net (8.12.10/8.12.1) with SMTP id j6CIiOxT005788 for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:44:25 -0400 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.20050712143614.00a42e18@magma.ca> X-Sender: ve2iq@magma.ca X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 14:36:14 -0400 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Bill de Carle In-Reply-To: <000001c58704$fca83c30$e6a4c593@RD40002> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF:Rugby lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit At 06:13 PM 7/12/2005 +0100, Jim Moritz wrote: [..] >Dear Dave, LF Group, > >The Rugby Loran lines are at frequencies of n x 1 / (2 x 63710us), or n x >7.4283167434259396820680433813698Hz (give or take), where n is an integer, >and 63710us is the GRI of the Lessay chain. For this one, n is 18548, the >frequency is 137780.418957 to the nearest micro-hertz :-) When I did the above division on my inexpensive solar-powered calculator, I got 7.8480615 Hz, not 7.4283167 etc Hz. Is this another case of can't see the forest for the trees or should the GRI be 6731 instead of 6371? I bet you took so much care to make sure you typed in the 32-digit number correctly you shifted the typo to the other number (2 places!), right? Bill VE2IQ now watch me have to eat crow :-) From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:49:36 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsOsx-0006gu-U1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:49:36 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsOsx-0006gU-Qb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:49:35 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DsOsP-0002Te-FG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:49:01 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DsOsP-0002TV-0w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:49:01 +0100 Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.199]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DsOsN-0003pW-SU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:49:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 27080 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 17:48:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@217.43.204.60 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 17:48:54 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:48:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <002701c58704$b92c8a10$8d01a8c0@JKA> Thread-Index: AcWHBCwiAs+wAwf6QbCRx/5DbiaQtwABbUoA Message-Id: Subject: LF: RE: Re: Rugby lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Thanks John At least Rugby is useful for something! Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John Andrews Sent: 12 July 2005 18:11 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: Rugby lines Dave, 137,780.419 Hz. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:14:20 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsOKq-0003UU-85 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:14:20 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsOKq-0003TF-3U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:14:20 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DsOKW-0002ME-HV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:14:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DsOKW-0002M5-1K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:14:00 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DsOQ2-00011p-Db for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:19:43 +0100 Received: from altair ([147.197.215.111] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1DsOKF-00056p-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:13:43 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DsOJl-0000I7-5i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:13:13 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:13:13 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c58704$fca83c30$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: RE: Rugby lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear all I thought I'd run the grabber on the US window to see how Rugby affects the region around 137.777 and it occurs to me that I can use the lines to calibrate my receiver exactly. Can anyone tell me the exact fequency of the Rugby Loran line at about 137.781? Dear Dave, LF Group, The Rugby Loran lines are at frequencies of n x 1 / (2 x 63710us), or n x 7.4283167434259396820680433813698Hz (give or take), where n is an integer, and 63710us is the GRI of the Lessay chain. For this one, n is 18548, the frequency is 137780.418957 to the nearest micro-hertz :-) Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:11:12 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsOHo-0005cd-15 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:11:12 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsOHn-0005cI-QQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:11:11 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DsOHg-0002Iz-0t for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:11:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DsOHf-0002Iq-Gk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:11:03 +0100 Received: from bay102-f42.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.52] helo=hotmail.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DsONA-000105-Nw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:16:47 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 10:10:55 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.206 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:10:54 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.206] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:10:54 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Jul 2005 17:10:55.0004 (UTC) FILETIME=[A9E715C0:01C58704] Subject: LF: WD2XDW status Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit XDW power was reduced by 1.5dB at 0630CST this morning and will revert to normal at Oklalhoma dusk this evening. Daytime temps in the coupler are over 110degF ambient I need to paint the enclosure white and not dark Blue. Part 5 Signals 137.7750-137.7755 Khz 130 sec or so staircase stepped carrier upwards in 0.08Hz or so increments - with cw id. XDW will close down on either the 18th or 19th July and may not return for some time. Laurence KL1X wd2xdw em26aq oklahoma http://myweb.cableone.net/flow From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:07:24 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsOE8-0006G2-ET for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:07:24 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsOE8-0006Fq-9q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:07:24 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DsODq-0002EY-E2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:07:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DsODp-0002EP-Ji for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:07:05 +0100 Received: from smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.194]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DsOO9-00045x-7l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 18:17:48 +0100 Received: (qmail 11986 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 17:06:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.194) with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2005 17:06:51 -0000 Message-ID: <002701c58704$b92c8a10$8d01a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:11:19 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: LF: Re: Rugby lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dave, 137,780.419 Hz. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:43:45 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsNrD-0008HW-Co for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:43:44 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsNrA-0008ES-Rc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:43:42 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DsNqX-00029V-6U for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:43:01 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DsNqW-00029M-KW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:43:00 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.203]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DsNqV-0003Io-6f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:43:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 63566 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 16:42:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@217.43.204.60 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 12 Jul 2005 16:42:53 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 17:42:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcWHAL6RTh4tJyD5T0K6PDj33S4jBQ== Message-Id: Subject: LF: Rugby lines Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear all I thought I'd run the grabber on the US window to see how Rugby affects the region around 137.777 and it occurs to me that I can use the lines to calibrate my receiver exactly. Can anyone tell me the exact fequency of the Rugby Loran line at about 137.781? Note to David: I have put the aerial back up and made the comparison recording and it appears that the background is about 13dB higher here with Rubgy on. The "S6" CW signal is now a good deal more difficult to copy! I will send the recording is you need them. 73 and clackety-clack from Dave G3YXM. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:52:29 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsJJL-0004FQ-IA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:52:28 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsJJL-0004F8-Es for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:52:27 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DsJJB-0001X6-Cm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:52:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DsJJA-0001Wx-Ox for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:52:16 +0100 Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.74]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DsJTO-000398-4S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 13:02:53 +0100 Received: (qmail 408 invoked from network); 12 Jul 2005 11:52:02 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 12 Jul 2005 11:52:02 -0000 Message-ID: <002e01c586cf$de7fd900$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000301c586d6$def86030$2b4036d2@mcalevey> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 11:52:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: LF: Re: XDW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Mike, > The XDW staircase was good copy again tonight approaching Laurence's > sunrise. What other NA signals are transmitting these days? WD2XGJ is sending "XGJ" in QRSS60 on 137.7796. WD2XES is sending "XES" in DFCW90 on 137.7788/137.779. VO1NA is sending "VO1NA" in QRSS60 on 137.777. VE3OT is sending "MP" on 137.7764. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:44:09 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsJBI-0006tP-6A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:44:08 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsJBH-0006sd-G0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:44:07 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DsJAg-0001Sj-SC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:43:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DsJAg-0001Sa-DU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:43:30 +0100 Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.159]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DsJG7-0007yP-0t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 12:49:08 +0100 Received: from mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050712114314.HKYA2892.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:43:14 +1200 Received: from mcalevey ([210.54.64.43]) by mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050712114311.SDLX4411.mta3-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:43:11 +1200 Message-ID: <000301c586d6$def86030$2b4036d2@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 23:42:26 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Subject: LF: XDW Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------040600030609040701010502" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------040600030609040701010502 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit The XDW staircase was good copy again tonight approaching Laurence's sunrise. What other NA signals are transmitting these days? 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Nil seen here, but Kp was up to 6!   Perhaps in a few (14 ) days we will get a lift, unless of course something else happens on the Sun.

73 Laurie.



Whatever you Wanadoo

This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more here From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:54:29 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsDiv-0007Mu-FK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:54:29 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DsDiv-0007Ma-BR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:54:29 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DsDhr-00010C-HD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:53:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DsDhr-000103-3x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:53:23 +0100 Received: from mailout02.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.17]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DsDnB-00073J-Am for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 06:58:55 +0100 Received: from fwd26.aul.t-online.de by mailout02.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DsDhm-0007H4-05; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:53:18 +0200 Received: from HW1 (Gve0V2ZdrezCvBWbk-vBep5zYqKGVpfVcrWigUgqt3gqvjRNB4wIcd@[84.133.104.189]) by fwd26.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1DsDhi-2HmdTE0; Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:53:14 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2005 07:53:12 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1965707867.20050712075312@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: Gve0V2ZdrezCvBWbk-vBep5zYqKGVpfVcrWigUgqt3gqvjRNB4wIcd X-TOI-MSGID: 7fc10ca9-59e7-4ee1-be55-eae78ca0102c Subject: LF: TA July, 12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Partial copy of a callsign string from VO1NA 0005-0040 UTC. Nothing else copied. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:34:19 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ds4yo-0004lE-4k for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:34:19 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ds4yn-0004kz-UX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:34:18 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Ds4y2-0000On-HY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:33:30 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Ds4y2-0000Oe-0Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:33:30 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.140]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ds4xz-0002a9-PK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:33:29 +0100 Received: (qmail 45895 invoked from network); 11 Jul 2005 20:33:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@217.42.60.211 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 11 Jul 2005 20:33:22 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 21:33:39 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 In-Reply-To: <001801c56b4a$f1d90210$2101a8c0@AUG2004> Importance: Normal Subject: LF: Loran-C.... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear LF,
 
For an explanation of the significance of the recent Rugby Loran developments, follow the link below to the Commissioners of Irish Lights website:- 
 
73,
Dave G3WCB IO91RM
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:10:24 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Drx79-0008K0-Mr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:10:24 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Drx79-0008JQ-Jf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:10:23 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Drx6b-0008Jm-HR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:09:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Drx6a-0008Jd-Lf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:09:48 +0100 Received: from bay102-f9.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.19] helo=hotmail.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DrxBd-0003m4-O9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 13:15:04 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:09:39 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.205 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:09:38 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.205] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000301c58608$b31d0110$b2c536d2@mcalevey> From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 04:09:38 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Jul 2005 12:09:39.0172 (UTC) FILETIME=[69744240:01C58611] Subject: RE: LF: XDW? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Excellent - Thanks for the report Mike and glad to see the path is open , can I get the times in GMT? Im going to presume its just after South Island ZL dusk The ZL1BPU DDS is set for "F4" mode which is MFSK and hex coding is a repeated 1F giving 5 steps at 0.0847Hz starting close to 137.775Khz - tone period something like 130 or more secs - I havent calibrated the period exactly . The transmissions have been +24hrs for the last 4 days or so since weve had a break in the near constant thunderstorms, but no path to Eu so it seems as its still nearly lit all the way. Im not hearing/seeing dcf39 at all between transmissions at night. The weather looks like holding for a while so Ill leave the tx up as Im getting some interesting US daytime reports too. Loop tuning hasnt been touched for the past couple of weeks or so and we are still running High 40's loop current. Laurence KL1X EM26aq oklahoma status http://myweb.cableone.net/flow >From: "McAlevey" >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: >Subject: LF: XDW? >Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:06:37 +1200 > >I have not listened for a while but captured this signal tonight on 137775. >Is it you Laurence? > >Mike ZL4OL ><< XDW_.JPG >> From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:08:20 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Drw96-00016z-3f for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:08:20 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Drw95-00015l-Ml for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:08:19 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Drw8O-0008Bo-1y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:07:36 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Drw8N-0008Bf-IE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:07:35 +0100 Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.146]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Drw8L-0001pt-0o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 12:07:35 +0100 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050711110724.XABT1507.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:07:24 +1200 Received: from mcalevey ([210.54.197.178]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050711110720.TWJH7290.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:07:20 +1200 Message-ID: <000301c58608$b31d0110$b2c536d2@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002201c580c4$cd9a1620$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 23:06:37 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1506 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1506 Subject: LF: XDW? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------060904000704070202070005" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060904000704070202070005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have not listened for a while but captured this signal tonight on 137775. Is it you Laurence? 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This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more here From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:41:42 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Drq6w-000243-1Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:41:42 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Drq6v-00023w-Sf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:41:41 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Drq52-0007k1-Rq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:39:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Drq52-0007js-7q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:39:44 +0100 Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.84]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DrqEd-0004eU-1s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 05:49:41 +0100 Received: from fwd27.aul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Drq4v-0005Fq-00; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:39:37 +0200 Received: from HW1 (bRjrAYZVgew+-xwQ0zpnlbS5A-F4M+-WDezgmaJJk9ftz+zA5BvG0p@[84.133.74.177]) by fwd27.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1Drq4k-1A50qG0; Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:39:26 +0200 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 2005 06:39:24 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <824926874.20050711063924@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: bRjrAYZVgew+-xwQ0zpnlbS5A-F4M+-WDezgmaJJk9ftz+zA5BvG0p X-TOI-MSGID: 9266d4c1-b1b1-406d-ae82-261d3ccdc928 Subject: LF: TA July, 11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Only traces on 137.77955 kHz 0100-0130UTC. 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:29:48 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrawN-0001k3-Fs for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:29:48 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrawN-0001iD-D4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:29:47 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Drave-0006zF-UM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:29:02 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dravd-0006z6-Qv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:29:01 +0100 Received: from smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.194]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dravc-0006LV-EJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 13:29:01 +0100 Received: (qmail 27393 invoked from network); 10 Jul 2005 12:28:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.194) with ESMTP; 10 Jul 2005 12:28:50 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c58542$ad4149c0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5611738.1120551087980.JavaMail.www@wwinf3203> <005501c584e4$9e17d8a0$31802ed8@server> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 12:29:46 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: LF: Re: What is it? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) J.B., > They each had five "steps" between roughly 775.6 to 776.6 which repeated > over and over. Each step was about 45 seconds long. What is it? WD2XDW. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:20:54 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrYvc-0004Pm-SB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:20:54 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrYvc-0004Pg-PZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:20:52 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DrYv5-0006pH-11 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:20:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DrYv4-0006p8-IR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:20:18 +0100 Received: from pythagoras.zen.co.uk ([212.23.3.140]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DrYzi-0001uA-06 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:25:09 +0100 Received: from [82.68.18.174] (helo=acer5gi5q0ubzj) by pythagoras.zen.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DrYv0-00059O-FH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:20:14 +0000 From: "John W Gould" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:20:10 +0100 Message-ID: <001d01c58538$f6ece430$0c01a8c0@acer5gi5q0ubzj> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal X-Originating-Pythagoras-IP: [82.68.18.174] Subject: LF: Info on Loran transmitters Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Following discussion at yesterday's Spectrum Forum meeting it was agreed that the RSGB would send in a formal complaint. I've been actioned to prepare a draft. Grateful for detail of the spec that the Loran transmitters are expected to meet, any known precedent where in specific circumstances where this has had to be improved upon, and any view on whether the spurii is likely to effect other LF users (apart from amateurs). My intention, unless others have a better plan is to ask that additional filtering be incorporated and that aerial installations are carefully maintained to avoid the rusty-bolt effect. Can anyone comment on whether any other services within the LF spectrum area are likely to be effected, i.e. are we likely to be able to call on support from operators of other services? 73 John, G3WKL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:08:40 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrXng-000734-Cm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:08:40 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrXng-00072v-9d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:08:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DrXnA-0006g2-N5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:08:04 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DrXn9-0006ft-V9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:08:04 +0100 Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.84]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DrXn7-0005Sl-OM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 10:08:03 +0100 Received: from fwd19.aul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DrXn6-0006hn-02; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:08:00 +0200 Received: from HW1 (SmazZcZLweELQIooePuknt94UiuWzyL286OvtklymtfASiM5wOujgx@[84.133.100.234]) by fwd19.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1DrXn5-1teSMi0; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:07:59 +0200 Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 11:07:56 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1964004883.20050710110756@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: SmazZcZLweELQIooePuknt94UiuWzyL286OvtklymtfASiM5wOujgx X-TOI-MSGID: a97973d0-875c-4932-aec9-b94f82728d13 Subject: LF: TA July, 10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Strong peak from VO1NA 0200-0245 UTC. But not long enough to copy a full callsign string of the QRSS60 signal. Traces were visible on a QRSS3 screen. Only a short stronger peak of the signal from John, XES and Warren, XGJ just after 0200UTC. Overall a poor reception of both stations. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:38:57 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrWOt-0007Zk-6V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:38:55 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrWOs-0007ZV-VU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:38:55 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DrWOK-0006YG-Qr for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:38:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DrWOK-0006Y7-GR for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:38:20 +0100 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.co.uk ([193.252.22.157] helo=smtp2.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DrWSw-0001LW-Cf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 08:43:08 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (yebox.com [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3111.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id A0B652000082 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:38:10 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wwinf3101 (wwinf3101 [172.22.158.28]) by mwinf3111.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 960A52000081 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:38:10 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20050710073810614.960A52000081@mwinf3111.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <8947412.1120981090591.JavaMail.www@wwinf3101> From: Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC To: RSGB Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [86.131.82.134] Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 09:38:10 +0200 (CEST) Subject: LF: T/A Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

No T/A signals seen at this location last night.

73 Laurie



Whatever you Wanadoo

This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more here From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:56:07 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrTrJ-0002aE-ID for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:56:07 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrTrI-0002a5-W5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:56:05 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DrTr0-0006C5-52 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:55:46 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DrTqz-0006Bw-9G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:55:45 +0100 Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DrTqx-0004UR-Ed for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:55:45 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6A4sPq9002807 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 23:54:25 -0500 Message-ID: <42D0AA4F.80304@genesiswireless.us> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 23:55:43 -0500 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200507100244.j6A2iO8A079327@dslgw.aebc.com> <057b01c58507$ca92a2c0$0201a8c0@private.network> In-Reply-To: <057b01c58507$ca92a2c0$0201a8c0@private.network> X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: we0h@genesiswireless.us Subject: Re: LF: Re: Mains Earth/Service Ground Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Do it. Very interesting to see the test data. Maybe I can try again with a LF vertical in the trees but use the power grid as the counterpoise rather than my 3000+ feet of radials.


Mike

Scott Tilley wrote:
So what does all this mean for?  The mains run around me in circles...  Maybe Bill is right I need to couple in with my antenna being one side of the xfmr...
 
Scott
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 7:37 PM
Subject: LF: Mains Earth/Service Ground

A different operating paradigm, but in the mid 80’s as G4EZG I once had a 160M rhombic hung out over a valley…8 wavelengths of wire.

 

Feed at 120 ft… terminated apex, facing SW, at >250 feet on a catenary across avalley.

 

I have no doubt that AFTER the EXTENSIVE bonding (many miles/kM) of local farmers’ wire fences resulted in a SIGNIFICANT performance enhancement…quite empirical, never measured field strength -  but then regularly got accused of running illegal QRO and had some great trans-Atlantic DX at times when it ‘should not’ have occurred.

Martin

VE7MM

 

From: WE0H Mike
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:36 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Mains Earth

 

Maybe roll out a few miles of ground radials with the fence wire you buy at the farm store? I would think if he laid down at least two or three full quarter wave radials that the antenna current would go up. I think the wire costs $17.00 US for a 2640 foot roll. It's gotta be better than nothing.

-- 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI




Alan Melia wrote:

Hi Joe if you look back to Jim's field strength measurements he found that
he got anomolous results when he was near overhead lines (power or
telephone) that ran away from is TX site. There is no doubt that these go
act as "guide" for RF, but we have all measured substantial reductions in
ground loss ( as measured by bridge) when the mains earth is included in the
grounding regime. (This does not work for everyone though) If this was the
case I would have expected your antenna current to increase when you connect
the mains earth.....strange.
Cheers de Alan G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Craig" 
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 09 July 2005 12:50
Subject: LF: Mains Earth
 
 
  
Dear Group,
Thanks to Alan, Laurie and Wolf for their info on the mains earth.
At this station, there is one transmission line that runs in front
of the house and another about 1 km to the south that runs
roughly perpendicular to it so the mains earth grid is a bit sparse.
When doing mobile FS measurements, I noticed that the signals
were always stronger near the mains lines and suspected for a while that
the signals were being conducted along the lines rather than being
radiated. This was put to rest when Alan copied the sigs 2 years ago.
 
Thanks to G3AQC and Hartmut for the signal reports.
 
73
Joe
 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:26:32 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrTOg-0006Rm-VO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:26:32 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrTOg-0006Rb-PQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:26:30 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DrTO9-00066o-2J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:25:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DrTO8-00066f-9t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:25:56 +0100 Received: from defout.telus.net ([204.209.205.55] helo=priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DrTSd-0000fj-Vs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 05:30:41 +0100 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050710042543.EGCP5356.priv-edmwes25.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 22:25:43 -0600 Message-ID: <057b01c58507$ca92a2c0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <200507100244.j6A2iO8A079327@dslgw.aebc.com> Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:28:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Mains Earth/Service Ground Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
So what does all this mean for?  The mains run around me in circles...  Maybe Bill is right I need to couple in with my antenna being one side of the xfmr...
 
Scott
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 7:37 PM
Subject: LF: Mains Earth/Service Ground

A different operating paradigm, but in the mid 80’s as G4EZG I once had a 160M rhombic hung out over a valley…8 wavelengths of wire.

 

Feed at 120 ft… terminated apex, facing SW, at >250 feet on a catenary across avalley.

 

I have no doubt that AFTER the EXTENSIVE bonding (many miles/kM) of local farmers’ wire fences resulted in a SIGNIFICANT performance enhancement…quite empirical, never measured field strength -  but then regularly got accused of running illegal QRO and had some great trans-Atlantic DX at times when it ‘should not’ have occurred.

Martin

VE7MM

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of WE0H Mike
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:36 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Mains Earth

 

Maybe roll out a few miles of ground radials with the fence wire you buy at the farm store? I would think if he laid down at least two or three full quarter wave radials that the antenna current would go up. I think the wire costs $17.00 US for a 2640 foot roll. It's gotta be better than nothing.

-- 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI




Alan Melia wrote:

Hi Joe if you look back to Jim's field strength measurements he found that
he got anomolous results when he was near overhead lines (power or
telephone) that ran away from is TX site. There is no doubt that these go
act as "guide" for RF, but we have all measured substantial reductions in
ground loss ( as measured by bridge) when the mains earth is included in the
grounding regime. (This does not work for everyone though) If this was the
case I would have expected your antenna current to increase when you connect
the mains earth.....strange.
Cheers de Alan G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Craig" 

To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 09 July 2005 12:50
Subject: LF: Mains Earth
 
 
  
Dear Group,
Thanks to Alan, Laurie and Wolf for their info on the mains earth.
At this station, there is one transmission line that runs in front
of the house and another about 1 km to the south that runs
roughly perpendicular to it so the mains earth grid is a bit sparse.
When doing mo
bile FS measurements, I noticed that the signals
were always stronger near the mains lines and suspected for a while that
the signals were being conducted along the lines rather than being
radiated. This was put to rest when Alan copied the sigs 2 years ago.
 
Thanks to G3AQC and Hartmut for the signal reports.
 <
/SPAN>
73
Joe
 
 
    
 
 
 
  



 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:36:05 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrRfo-0002Z4-Ty for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:36:05 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrRfo-0002Yq-N0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:36:04 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DrRfg-0004WM-UA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:35:56 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DrRfg-0004WD-IU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:35:56 +0100 Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DrRff-0005ht-ER for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:35:56 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6A2YY2F030989 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:34:35 -0500 Message-ID: <42D08986.9010104@genesiswireless.us> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 21:35:50 -0500 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5611738.1120551087980.JavaMail.www@wwinf3203> <005501c584e4$9e17d8a0$31802ed8@server> In-Reply-To: <005501c584e4$9e17d8a0$31802ed8@server> X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: we0h@genesiswireless.us Subject: Re: LF: What is it? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) That's one of those Oklahoma signals :-D Mike J. B. Weazle McCreath wrote: >Hello LFer's, > >I copied an unusual, at least to me, signal tonite which resembled stair >steps. >They each had five "steps" between roughly 775.6 to 776.6 which repeated >over and over. Each step was about 45 seconds long. What is it? > >73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL >EN93dr > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:33:06 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrRcu-0004Fx-JD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:33:05 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrRcu-0004Fk-Ce for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:33:04 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DrRci-0004S9-VA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:32:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DrRcf-0004S0-12 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:32:49 +0100 Received: from [209.139.247.226] (helo=smtp.aebc.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DrRlj-00068l-7k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:42:13 +0100 Received: from dslgw.aebc.com [209.53.208.34] by smtp.aebc.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.15) id A8D6B2C60102; Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:32:54 -0700 Received: from mmacgregor ([10.100.19.194]) by dslgw.aebc.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6A2iO8A079327 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:44:26 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from macgregor@clanmacgregor.net) Message-Id: <200507100244.j6A2iO8A079327@dslgw.aebc.com> From: "Martin Mac Gregor" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:37:09 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-index: AcWE58u2mLBSp1uTSTecYU+YER74IwADY6Wg In-Reply-To: <42D06D68.5060500@genesiswireless.us> X-RBL-Warning: IPNOTINMX: X-Declude-Sender: macgregor@clanmacgregor.net [209.53.208.34] X-Declude-Spoolname: D88d6b2c601023af2.SMD X-Note: Email was scanned by AE's anti-spam system in MX2 server. X-Note: This E-mail was sent from dslgw1.cipherkey.com ([209.53.208.34]). X-Note: Total spam weight of this E-mail is -3. Subject: LF: Mains Earth/Service Ground Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

A different operating paradigm, but in the mid 80’s as G4EZG I once had a 160M rhombic hung out over a valley…8 wavelengths of wire.

 

Feed at 120 ft… terminated apex, facing SW, at >250 feet on a catenary across avalley.

 

I have no doubt that AFTER the EXTENSIVE bonding (many miles/kM) of local farmers’ wire fences resulted in a SIGNIFICANT performance enhancement…quite empirical, never measured field strength -  but then regularly got accused of running illegal QRO and had some great trans-Atlantic DX at times when it ‘should not’ have occurred.

Martin

VE7MM

 

From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of WE0H Mike
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 5:36 PM
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: Re: LF: Re: Mains Earth

 

Maybe roll out a few miles of ground radials with the fence wire you buy at the farm store? I would think if he laid down at least two or three full quarter wave radials that the antenna current would go up. I think the wire costs $17.00 US for a 2640 foot roll. It's gotta be better than nothing.

-- 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI




Alan Melia wrote:

Hi Joe if you look back to Jim's field strength measurements he found that
he got anomolous results when he was near overhead lines (power or
telephone) that ran away from is TX site. There is no doubt that these go
act as "guide" for RF, but we have all measured substantial reductions in
ground loss ( as measured by bridge) when the mains earth is included in the
grounding regime. (This does not work for everyone though) If this was the
case I would have expected your antenna current to increase when you connect
the mains earth.....strange.
Cheers de Alan G3NYK
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Craig" 
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 09 July 2005 12:50
Subject: LF: Mains Earth
 
 
  
Dear Group,
Thanks to Alan, Laurie and Wolf for their info on the mains earth.
At this station, there is one transmission line that runs in front
of the house and another about 1 km to the south that runs
roughly perpendicular to it so the mains earth grid is a bit sparse.
When doing mobile FS measurements, I noticed that the signals
were always stronger near the mains lines and suspected for a while that
the signals were being conducted along the lines rather than being
radiated. This was put to rest when Alan copied the sigs 2 years ago.
 
Thanks to G3AQC and Hartmut for the signal reports.
 
73
Joe
 
 
    
 
 
 
  



 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:26:22 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrRWP-0004yr-FS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:26:21 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrRWP-0004yk-CD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:26:21 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DrRVj-0004O0-Ek for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:25:39 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DrRVj-0004Nr-2k for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:25:39 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DrRVi-0005e6-0v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 03:25:39 +0100 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j6A1C9p6018534 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:12:10 -0400 Received: from server (dial-130.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.130]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id j6A1DRYj005144 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 21:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005501c584e4$9e17d8a0$31802ed8@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5611738.1120551087980.JavaMail.www@wwinf3203> Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:15:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: What is it? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello LFer's, I copied an unusual, at least to me, signal tonite which resembled stair steps. They each had five "steps" between roughly 775.6 to 776.6 which repeated over and over. Each step was about 45 seconds long. What is it? 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL EN93dr From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:36:27 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrPo2-0006A9-FG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:36:27 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DrPo2-0006A1-9r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:36:26 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DrPnf-0004Bz-Ef for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:36:03 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DrPne-0004Bq-UV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:36:02 +0100 Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DrPnd-0005KT-MG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 10 Jul 2005 01:36:02 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j6A0YcXw027531 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2005 19:34:38 -0500 Message-ID: <42D06D68.5060500@genesiswireless.us> Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2005 19:35:52 -0500 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <7691559.1120841519913.JavaMail.www@wwinf3003> <42CEE89F.2000408@freenet.de> <000401c584e6$4f8b4940$c08f7ad5@Main> In-Reply-To: <000401c584e6$4f8b4940$c08f7ad5@Main> X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: we0h@genesiswireless.us Subject: Re: LF: Re: Mains Earth Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Maybe roll out a few miles of ground radials with the fence wire you buy at the farm store? I would think if he laid down at least two or three full quarter wave radials that the antenna current would go up. I think the wire costs $17.00 US for a 2640 foot roll. It's gotta be better than nothing.
-- 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI



Alan Melia wrote:
Hi Joe if you look back to Jim's field strength measurements he found that
he got anomolous results when he was near overhead lines (power or
telephone) that ran away from is TX site. There is no doubt that these go
act as "guide" for RF, but we have all measured substantial reductions in
ground loss ( as measured by bridge) when the mains earth is included in the
grounding regime. (This does not work for everyone though) If this was the
case I would have expected your antenna current to increase when you connect
the mains earth.....strange.
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Craig" 
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 09 July 2005 12:50
Subject: LF: Mains Earth


  
Dear Group,
Thanks to Alan, Laurie and Wolf for their info on the mains earth.
At this station, there is one transmission line that runs in front
of the house and another about 1 km to the south that runs
roughly perpendicular to it so the mains earth grid is a bit sparse.
When doing mobile FS measurements, I noticed that the signals
were always stronger near the mains lines and suspected for a while that
the signals were being conducted along the lines rather than being
radiated. This was put to rest when Alan copied the sigs 2 years ago.

Thanks to G3AQC and Hartmut for the signal reports.

73
Joe


    



  





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Hi Joe if you look back to Jim's field strength measurements he found that
he got anomolous results when he was near overhead lines (power or
telephone) that ran away from is TX site. There is no doubt that these go
act as "guide" for RF, but we have all measured substantial reductions in
ground loss ( as measured by bridge) when the mains earth is included in the
grounding regime. (This does not work for everyone though) If this was the
case I would have expected your antenna current to increase when you connect
the mains earth.....strange.
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Craig" 
To: 
Sent: 09 July 2005 12:50
Subject: LF: Mains Earth


> Dear Group,
> Thanks to Alan, Laurie and Wolf for their info on the mains earth.
> At this station, there is one transmission line that runs in front
> of the house and another about 1 km to the south that runs
> roughly perpendicular to it so the mains earth grid is a bit sparse.
> When doing mobile FS measurements, I noticed that the signals
> were always stronger near the mains lines and suspected for a while that
> the signals were being conducted along the lines rather than being
> radiated. This was put to rest when Alan copied the sigs 2 years ago.
>
> Thanks to G3AQC and Hartmut for the signal reports.
>
> 73
> Joe
>
>



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Dear Group,
Thanks to Alan, Laurie and Wolf for their info on the mains earth.
At this station, there is one transmission line that runs in front
of the house and another about 1 km to the south that runs
roughly perpendicular to it so the mains earth grid is a bit sparse.
When doing mobile FS measurements, I noticed that the signals
were always stronger near the mains lines and suspected for a while that
the signals were being conducted along the lines rather than being
radiated. This was put to rest when Alan copied the sigs 2 years ago.

Thanks to G3AQC and Hartmut for the signal reports.

73
Joe



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Again high static level. Only poor reception of WD2XGJ and VO1NA.


Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut

Locator:JO52ho
www.h-wolff.de



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Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC schrieb:

> Hi Joe ,
>
> The capture I sent with my last mail was timed 04:00 UTC on the 8th July.
>
> By the way, I belive that the mains earth is the best available since 
> it extends for many yards,even miles, from the antenna site.In a built 
> up area it will extend all round the antenna. It certainly is the best 
> for me, much more current than all my radials put together. 
>
> 73 Laurie. 
>
>
>
Concerning mains earth for the TX antenna: Exactly the same here. I 
trried buried radials; radials hanging around everywhere in the trees 
and the underwood; radials connected to the metal fence around the 
football field; ....  - nothing worked as good as mains as extra large 
counterpoise (difference: 0.something A versus 1.9 A antenna current)

But a totally different story for RX: I use a large relay contact to 
OPEN the connection between "mains earth" and "antenna earth" during 
reception, because the mains earth is terribly noise-polluted.

73,  Wolf  DL4YHF .



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Hi All,

Repaired PA & changed to toroid antenna matching transformer based on the
design shown on Steve's (GW4ALG) web site but using a monitor scan coil
core. PA 40 volts at 11 Amps & seems much more stable, Antenna current up to
2.5 Amps. PA heat sink gets fairly hot & matching transformer core warm
otherwise no problems during tonights tests on 135.930KHz. The field
strength as indicated by my crude meter is at the same level as when the PA
failed on my previous tests.

It certainly looks like LORAN Rugby is now 24/7.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor



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Hi David,


Nice to hear from you again. I think Rugby has increased the "galloping horses" situation when looking at the band in 1kHz bandwidth. I was previously able to null out Lessay with the loop leaving only weaker signals fron Sylt. Cannot do this now since Rugby in loop maxima when Lessay in minima.My second Ant. which has cardioid pattern again with null on Lessay will also maximise Rugby. So I will probably have difficulty with nornal short range CW contacts.


So far as T/A is concerned I notice more strong lines, again I guess from Rugby but so far none of these has coincided with any of the T/A frequencies. However if more stations come on it will be necessesary to advise which freqs to avoid. I took a capture one morning when Rugby switched on and you can see the additional lines in this capture, attached.


Regards Laurie. 


Whatever you Wanadoo

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Hi Joe ,


The capture I sent with my last mail was timed 04:00 UTC on the 8th July.


By the way, I belive that the mains earth is the best available since it extends for many yards,even miles, from the antenna site.In a built up area it will extend all round the antenna. It certainly is the best for me, much more current than all my radials put together. 


73 Laurie. 


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Thanks Laurie.

There is a definite partial callsign there. Is this on the
morning of the 7th when I was using a single 150m radial (the
control cable?) This morning (the 8th) I was using the radial,
the ground rod and the "cement shoes".   Since QRV a
few days ago, I have been operating independent of the mains
earth connection which I had always used before.

Will try again tonight.

Lets hope Alan will be able to predict some favourable condx this
fall so we can  try again for a 2-way across the pond.

73
Joe


On Fri, 8 Jul 2005, Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC wrote:

> Hi Joe,
> Your mail prompted me to look again and I find I missed a capture. Later than I expected and not as good as previously. Please see attachment.
> 73 Laurie
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Hi Joe,


Your mail prompted me to look again and I find I missed a capture. Later than I expected and not as good as previously. Please see attachment.


73 Laurie


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Hartmut and Laurie,

Thank-you for the reports.  The 'no traces' of 7 July is interesting.
The transmitter was running with 0.9 amps aerial current.
A 150m length of 10 conductor control cable running
approximately under the aerial was used for an earth on the 7th.
 When the other earth leads
(2 metre copper ground rod and a pair concrete encased wires)
were reconnected last night, the field strength improved by
about 5-6 dB and Hartmut copied a "VO1" at least.  Athough
the tuning had to be adjusted, the aerial current was still
only 0.9 amps and not 1.8 amps as we might expect for a 5-6
dB improvement in signal.

73
Joe



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Message






Dear Uwe,


       QSL will de 
sent directly. Excuse. Hope your adress is ok on my CD.


73   Walter


 



  
-----Ursprüngliche 
  Nachricht-----
Von: Uwe Wensauer <uwe.wensauer@gmx.de>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
  <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: 
  Donnerstag, 7. Juli 2005 21:10
Betreff: LF: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: 
  500KHz/600m Proposal


  
Dear Walter,

  
would You please so kind in sending me a QSL- 
  Card ?

  
I wrote an Article in 7/CQ-DL about my 
  experiences in receiving DI2AG. I also send you some screenshots before 
  (remember the failure in keying ?)

  
73

  
Uwe

  
 

  
 

  

    
----- Original Message ----- 

    
    
    
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:06 
    PM

    
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: RE: 
    500KHz/600m Proposal

    


    
Dear Steve and All,

    
         let me tell you a 
    little bit about DI2AG on 440Khz. I am ham now since 51years and was always 
    interested in HF-propagation, from UHF to LF and MW as well. As we do not 
    have an amateur radio location on MW I asked the the german authorities for 
    a special permit with low power and only very small band operation - CW, 
    QRSS, DFCW, PSK....... And I got it. 9W ERP, 200Hz bandwidth, 440KHz. The 
    permit is valid to the end of 2005, maybe it can be prolonged. Mostly DI2AG 
    operates as a beacon on 440.044KHz in QRSS3 with 0.5W ERP, sometimes at 
    weekend or on request with 3W ERP. Got reports from 14 european countries ( 
    sorry, not VE, W ), ODX is 2463Km to TF.

    
         But please realize: 
    DI2AG is no amateur radio application, the "DI"-prefix is only for research 
    and test. Therefore no amateur radio operation, no duplex and so on. 
     (But if you send me a sreenshot with reception I will send you a 
    QSL-card ;-)

    
73    Walter   
    DJ2LF

    
 

    
 

    

      
-----Ursprüngliche 
      Nachricht-----
Von: Steve McDonald <jsm@gulfislands.com>
An: 
      rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
      <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: 
      Donnerstag, 7. Juli 2005 09:21
Betreff: LF: Re: Re: RE: 
      500KHz/600m Proposal


      
 

      

        
Uwe...would this be a proposal for amateur 
        radio use of the 600m spectrum or for some other purpose?

        
 

        
Steve / VE7SL

        
 

        
 

        
Former Seefunker  in Germany sent a 
        proposal to RegTP ( Regulierungsbehörde ... ) too.

        
The proposal is speaking about the use in 
        Museumships

        
Please be most patient

        
 

        
vy 73 Uwe

        
 

        

          
----- Original Message ----- 

          
          
          
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 
          11:04 PM

          
Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz/600m 
          Proposal

          


          
I posted a note to this reflector that was written for the 
          RSGB's Spectrum Forum the other day - maybe you and others haven't 
          seen it. The position in the UK is that the RSGB submitted a 
          proposal for access to frequencies around 500kHz, see http://www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/mf.htm.  
          This is fairly self-explainatory.  The proposal is still being 
          considered by our regulator, Ofcom.

          
 

          
Elsewhere, Walter, DJ2LF has a special permit for the current 
          year for a beacon, DI2AG, that transmits on 
          440.044kHz.

          
 

          
73 John, G3WKL

          

            

            
-----Original Message-----
From: 
            owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
            [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of 
            Steve McDonald
Sent: 06 July 2005 21:01
To: 
            rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: 500KHz/600m 
            Proposal


            
Could someone bring me up to speed on 
            this in the UK or elsewhere in Europe? Our Industry Canada liason 
            person is looking for information to bolster a possible proposal for 
            a 600m amateur allocation. Any background history would be 
            helpful.

            
 

            
Thanks!

            
 

            
Steve / VE7SL

            
 

            
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In a message dated 08/07/2005 08:04:43 GMT Standard Time, 
james.moritz@btopenworld.com writes:



  

I made .wav audio recordings of the start-up of the Loran signals in 
  about
1kHz bandwidth within the 136kHz band, and have edited these down to 
  a
couple of minutes to contrast the difference between Loran and no Loran. 
  The
Loran chatter is rather loud! I can send these files if interested 
  although
they are quite large (2 - 3 Mbytes).

Cheers, Jim 
  Moritz
73 de M0BMU

  
 

  

 




Jim.  Is it possible to send just the transition from Loran off to 
Loran on?  Perhaps 30 seconds or so and 500kb?  If not possible, then 
I'll leave my dialup running and try the larger file.


 


Regards


 


David


 


p.s.   The London regional meeting of the RSGB that took place 
last night 'in my manor' was rather poorly attended due to the events in London 
yesterday. Peter Kirby gave a 90 minute monologue and left very little time for 
questions on band protection.


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Hi Jim,

Could you send me one of those audio files ?
I would like to try how my FFT-based auto-multi-notch filter can cope 
with it, or if some modifications would help to let it defeat that kind 
of noise.

Attachments up to 3 MByte should be ok.


73,
  Wolf DL4YHF .

James Moritz schrieb:

>Dear LF Group,
>
>Results of monitoring the Rugby Loran signal here for the past few days
>(times utc):
>
>5th July - on at 0651, off 1014, on 1016, off at 1532.
>
>6th July - on at 0652, off 0848, on 0858, off 0902, on 0903, off 1535.
>
>7th July - on at 0651, off 0918, on 0919, on continuously to date (0730, 8th
>July).
>
>I made .wav audio recordings of the start-up of the Loran signals in about
>1kHz bandwidth within the 136kHz band, and have edited these down to a
>couple of minutes to contrast the difference between Loran and no Loran. The
>Loran chatter is rather loud! I can send these files if interested although
>they are quite large (2 - 3 Mbytes).
>
>Cheers, Jim Moritz
>73 de M0BMU
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Alan Melia 
>To: LF-Group 
>Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:56 PM
>Subject: LF: Rugby Loran....office hours ??
>
>
>  
>
>>Hi all I guess someone is working overtime!! The signal came up later this
>>morning but is still running now at 2100 BST which suggests the "smoke
>>tests" are completed, and it will be 24/7 now.
>>
>>Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>
>  
>



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Dear LF Group,

Results of monitoring the Rugby Loran signal here for the past few days
(times utc):

5th July - on at 0651, off 1014, on 1016, off at 1532.

6th July - on at 0652, off 0848, on 0858, off 0902, on 0903, off 1535.

7th July - on at 0651, off 0918, on 0919, on continuously to date (0730, 8th
July).

I made .wav audio recordings of the start-up of the Loran signals in about
1kHz bandwidth within the 136kHz band, and have edited these down to a
couple of minutes to contrast the difference between Loran and no Loran. The
Loran chatter is rather loud! I can send these files if interested although
they are quite large (2 - 3 Mbytes).

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU


----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Melia 
To: LF-Group 
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 8:56 PM
Subject: LF: Rugby Loran....office hours ??


> Hi all I guess someone is working overtime!! The signal came up later this
> morning but is still running now at 2100 BST which suggests the "smoke
> tests" are completed, and it will be 24/7 now.
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
>
>
>



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Sorry nothing seen last night. Unfortunately set my capture too narrow for others.So will try Johns suggestion and go for 30sec tonite .Perhaps better luck,and yes it does keep ones mind off dreadfull happenings.


73 Laurie.


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Higher QRN level than the previous nights. Copied WD2XGJ 0100-0240UTC
and WD2XES 0110-0230UTC. Traces of VO1NA visible starting 0010UTC.
Readable was only a "VO1" 0200-0240.

Nothing else copied.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut

Locator:JO52ho
www.h-wolff.de



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From: "Gary - G4WGT" 
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Hi All,

LORAN Rugby still on 0020 BST, going to bed, Good Night.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
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Hi all I guess someone is working overtime!! The signal came up later this
morning but is still running now at 2100 BST which suggests the "smoke
tests" are completed, and it will be 24/7 now.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK





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Hi all I guess someone is working overtime!! The signal came up later this
morning but is still running now at 2100 BST which suggests the "smoke
tests" are completed, and it will be 24/7 now.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK




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Laurie,

>Conditions continue good so I will QSY  reception to Lawrence's frquency
tonight.

An Argo 30 second slow screen would do a good job with all of the available
signals.

John Andrews




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Conditions continue good so I will QSY  reception to Lawrence's frquency tonight.


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Dear Walter,


would You please so kind in sending me a QSL- Card 
?


I wrote an Article in 7/CQ-DL about my 
experiences in receiving DI2AG. I also send you some screenshots before 
(remember the failure in keying ?)


73


Uwe


 


 



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  
  
  
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 12:06 
  PM

  
Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: RE: 500KHz/600m 
  Proposal

  


  
Dear Steve and All,

  
         
  let me tell you a little bit about DI2AG on 440Khz. I am ham now since 51years 
  and was always interested in HF-propagation, from UHF to LF and MW as well. As 
  we do not have an amateur radio location on MW I asked the the german 
  authorities for a special permit with low power and only very small band 
  operation - CW, QRSS, DFCW, PSK....... And I got it. 9W ERP, 200Hz bandwidth, 
  440KHz. The permit is valid to the end of 2005, maybe it can be prolonged. 
  Mostly DI2AG operates as a beacon on 440.044KHz in QRSS3 with 0.5W ERP, 
  sometimes at weekend or on request with 3W ERP. Got reports from 14 european 
  countries ( sorry, not VE, W ), ODX is 2463Km to TF.

  
         
  But please realize: DI2AG is no amateur radio application, the "DI"-prefix is 
  only for research and test. Therefore no amateur radio operation, no duplex 
  and so on.  (But if you send me a sreenshot with reception I will 
  send you a QSL-card ;-)

  
73    Walter   
  DJ2LF

  
 

  
 

  

    
-----Ursprüngliche 
    Nachricht-----
Von: Steve McDonald <jsm@gulfislands.com>
An: 
    rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
    <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: 
    Donnerstag, 7. Juli 2005 09:21
Betreff: LF: Re: Re: RE: 
    500KHz/600m Proposal


    
 

    

      
Uwe...would this be a proposal for amateur 
      radio use of the 600m spectrum or for some other purpose?

      
 

      
Steve / VE7SL

      
 

      
 

      
Former Seefunker  in Germany sent a 
      proposal to RegTP ( Regulierungsbehörde ... ) too.

      
The proposal is speaking about the use in 
      Museumships

      
Please be most patient

      
 

      
vy 73 Uwe

      
 

      

        
----- Original Message ----- 

        
        
        
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 
        11:04 PM

        
Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz/600m 
        Proposal

        


        
I posted a note to this reflector that was written for the RSGB's 
        Spectrum Forum the other day - maybe you and others haven't seen 
        it. The position in the UK is that the RSGB submitted a proposal 
        for access to frequencies around 500kHz, see http://www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/mf.htm.  
        This is fairly self-explainatory.  The proposal is still being 
        considered by our regulator, Ofcom.

        
 

        
Elsewhere, Walter, DJ2LF has a special permit for the current 
        year for a beacon, DI2AG, that transmits on 
        440.044kHz.

        
 

        
73 John, G3WKL

        

          

          
-----Original Message-----
From: 
          owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
          [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve 
          McDonald
Sent: 06 July 2005 21:01
To: 
          rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: 500KHz/600m 
          Proposal


          
Could someone bring me up to speed on 
          this in the UK or elsewhere in Europe? Our Industry Canada liason 
          person is looking for information to bolster a possible proposal for a 
          600m amateur allocation. Any background history would be 
          helpful.

          
 

          
Thanks!

          
 

          
Steve / VE7SL

          
 

          
Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" 
          at   http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm
[L.F. 
          Loops] [Tuna Tin DX] [H.F. Maritime DX] [Crystal Radio 
          DXing]
[2200m Band] * NEW [CQ Crossband - 2200m To HF] [NDB DX] 
          [Boatanchors]


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well, CW- only - RegTP does not respond to any 
writing. ( I should asked again and remind the eggheads )


As long as +/- 500 kHz is used somewhere in the 
world, it will be most doubtful.


See the similarities to 7100-7200 kc


 


But - if one country will be the trendsetter - more 
will follow


 


keep the fingers crossed --


 


uwe, Dk1KQ



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  
  
  
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 9:28 
  AM

  
Subject: LF: Re: Re: RE: 500KHz/600m 
  Proposal

  


  
 

  

    
Uwe...would this be a proposal for amateur 
    radio use of the 600m spectrum or for some other purpose?

    
 

    
Steve / VE7SL

    
 

    
 

    
Former Seefunker  in Germany sent a 
    proposal to RegTP ( Regulierungsbehörde ... ) too.

    
The proposal is speaking about the use in 
    Museumships

    
Please be most patient

    
 

    
vy 73 Uwe

    
 

    

      
----- Original Message ----- 

      
      
      
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:04 
      PM

      
Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz/600m 
      Proposal

      


      
I posted a note to this reflector that was written for the RSGB's 
      Spectrum Forum the other day - maybe you and others haven't seen 
      it. The position in the UK is that the RSGB submitted a proposal for 
      access to frequencies around 500kHz, see http://www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/mf.htm.  
      This is fairly self-explainatory.  The proposal is still being 
      considered by our regulator, Ofcom.

      
 

      
Elsewhere, Walter, DJ2LF has a special permit for the current year 
      for a beacon, DI2AG, that transmits on 440.044kHz.

      
 

      
73 John, G3WKL

      

        

        
-----Original Message-----
From: 
        owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
        [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve 
        McDonald
Sent: 06 July 2005 21:01
To: 
        rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: 500KHz/600m 
        Proposal


        
Could someone bring me up to speed on this 
        in the UK or elsewhere in Europe? Our Industry Canada liason person is 
        looking for information to bolster a possible proposal for a 600m 
        amateur allocation. Any background history would be 
helpful.

        
 

        
Thanks!

        
 

        
Steve / VE7SL

        
 

        
Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" 
        at   http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm
[L.F. 
        Loops] [Tuna Tin DX] [H.F. Maritime DX] [Crystal Radio DXing]
[2200m 
        Band] * NEW [CQ Crossband - 2200m To HF] [NDB DX] 
        [Boatanchors]


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With the continued stable air (for the next day or so anyway) XDW  continues 
to be on +24 hrs on 137.7755 Khz or so DFCW 90 0.2Hz shift/CW at >500W 
output into the Loop

Laurence
kl1x em26aq oklhahoma
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Hartmut, Laurie, Warren,


 


Again, thanks for the reports. Some screen captures 
from CT1DRP also show better copy than the previous two nights. XES didn't do as 
well as XGJ there, and Brian did get one complete XGJ ID:


 




 


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Dear Steve and All,


         
let me tell you a little bit about DI2AG on 440Khz. I am ham now since 51years 
and was always interested in HF-propagation, from UHF to LF and MW as well. As 
we do not have an amateur radio location on MW I asked the the german 
authorities for a special permit with low power and only very small band 
operation - CW, QRSS, DFCW, PSK....... And I got it. 9W ERP, 200Hz bandwidth, 
440KHz. The permit is valid to the end of 2005, maybe it can be prolonged. 
Mostly DI2AG operates as a beacon on 440.044KHz in QRSS3 with 0.5W ERP, 
sometimes at weekend or on request with 3W ERP. Got reports from 14 european 
countries ( sorry, not VE, W ), ODX is 2463Km to TF.


         
But please realize: DI2AG is no amateur radio application, the "DI"-prefix is 
only for research and test. Therefore no amateur radio operation, no duplex and 
so on.  (But if you send me a sreenshot with reception I will send you 
a QSL-card ;-)


73    Walter   
DJ2LF


 


 



  
-----Ursprüngliche 
  Nachricht-----
Von: Steve McDonald <jsm@gulfislands.com>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
  <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: 
  Donnerstag, 7. Juli 2005 09:21
Betreff: LF: Re: Re: RE: 
  500KHz/600m Proposal


  
 

  

    
Uwe...would this be a proposal for amateur 
    radio use of the 600m spectrum or for some other purpose?

    
 

    
Steve / VE7SL

    
 

    
 

    
Former Seefunker  in Germany sent a 
    proposal to RegTP ( Regulierungsbehörde ... ) too.

    
The proposal is speaking about the use in 
    Museumships

    
Please be most patient

    
 

    
vy 73 Uwe

    
 

    

      
----- Original Message ----- 

      
      
      
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:04 
      PM

      
Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz/600m 
      Proposal

      


      
I posted a note to this reflector that was written for the RSGB's 
      Spectrum Forum the other day - maybe you and others haven't seen 
      it. The position in the UK is that the RSGB submitted a proposal for 
      access to frequencies around 500kHz, see http://www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/mf.htm.  
      This is fairly self-explainatory.  The proposal is still being 
      considered by our regulator, Ofcom.

      
 

      
Elsewhere, Walter, DJ2LF has a special permit for the current year 
      for a beacon, DI2AG, that transmits on 440.044kHz.

      
 

      
73 John, G3WKL

      

        

        
-----Original Message-----
From: 
        owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
        [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve 
        McDonald
Sent: 06 July 2005 21:01
To: 
        rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: 500KHz/600m 
        Proposal


        
Could someone bring me up to speed on this 
        in the UK or elsewhere in Europe? Our Industry Canada liason person is 
        looking for information to bolster a possible proposal for a 600m 
        amateur allocation. Any background history would be 
helpful.

        
 

        
Thanks!

        
 

        
Steve / VE7SL

        
 

        
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Great news ! Hoooray ! !

Let's have a glass of Champagne or two on that !

This means nothing less that free software and open-source projects in 
the EU do have a future now !
(To those who didn't follow last three year's developmen: see
 http://petition.eurolinux.org/reference/lobbying.html  , DL's: 
http://patinfo.ffii.org )

73,
 Wolf  DL4YHF .


Alberto di Bene schrieb:

>The European Parliament has ditched the proposal on the patentability of
>software and other computer-related inventions.
>What will Billy The Kid do now ? Will he dismiss Europe as a market ?
>Let's see if he will stand behind what he said a few months ago...
>
>http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-142089-16&type=News
>
>73  Alberto  I2PHD
>
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The European Parliament has ditched the proposal on the patentability of
software and other computer-related inventions.
What will Billy The Kid do now ? Will he dismiss Europe as a market ?
Let's see if he will stand behind what he said a few months ago...

http://www.euractiv.com/Article?tcmuri=tcm:29-142089-16&type=News

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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Another good opening last night from about 03:00 to 04:30.Copied two complete idents from XES at good "O" and a little over one from XGJ. Nothing seen of NA.


73 Laurie.


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Uwe...would this be a proposal for amateur radio 
  use of the 600m spectrum or for some other purpose?

  
 

  
Steve / VE7SL

  
 

  
 

  
Former Seefunker  in Germany sent a proposal 
  to RegTP ( Regulierungsbehörde ... ) too.

  
The proposal is speaking about the use in 
  Museumships

  
Please be most patient

  
 

  
vy 73 Uwe

  
 

  

    
----- Original Message ----- 

    
    
    
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:04 
    PM

    
Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz/600m 
    Proposal

    


    
I 
    posted a note to this reflector that was written for the RSGB's Spectrum 
    Forum the other day - maybe you and others haven't seen it. The 
    position in the UK is that the RSGB submitted a proposal for access to 
    frequencies around 500kHz, see http://www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/mf.htm.  
    This is fairly self-explainatory.  The proposal is still being 
    considered by our regulator, Ofcom.

    
 

    
Elsewhere, Walter, DJ2LF has a special permit for the current year 
    for a beacon, DI2AG, that transmits on 440.044kHz.

    
 

    
73 
    John, G3WKL

    

      

      
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      [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve 
      McDonald
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Subject: LF: 500KHz/600m 
      Proposal


      
Could someone bring me up to speed on this in 
      the UK or elsewhere in Europe? Our Industry Canada liason person is 
      looking for information to bolster a possible proposal for a 600m amateur 
      allocation. Any background history would be helpful.

      
 

      
Thanks!

      
 

      
Steve / VE7SL

      
 

      
Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" 
      at   http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm
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      Loops] [Tuna Tin DX] [H.F. Maritime DX] [Crystal Radio DXing]
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      [Boatanchors]


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Steve, 
yes - the URL that I referenced mentioned Australia, USA and New Zealand - the 
USA seem to be making real progress, but not sure of the status in VK and 
ZL.


 


73 
John, G3WKL


 



  

  

    
John - many thanks indeed. I am sure this 
    information will be helpful. Do you know of any other countries that are 
    considering a 600m slot for 
amateurs? 


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Message






Former Seefunker  in Germany sent a proposal 
to RegTP ( Regulierungsbehörde ... ) too.


The proposal is speaking about the use in 
Museumships


Please be most patient


 


vy 73 Uwe


 



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  
  
  
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 11:04 
  PM

  
Subject: LF: RE: 500KHz/600m 
  Proposal

  


  
I 
  posted a note to this reflector that was written for the RSGB's Spectrum Forum 
  the other day - maybe you and others haven't seen it. The position in the 
  UK is that the RSGB submitted a proposal for access to frequencies around 
  500kHz, see http://www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/mf.htm.  
  This is fairly self-explainatory.  The proposal is still being considered 
  by our regulator, Ofcom.

  
 

  
Elsewhere, Walter, DJ2LF has a special permit for the current year for 
  a beacon, DI2AG, that transmits on 440.044kHz.

  
 

  
73 
  John, G3WKL

  

    

    
-----Original Message-----
From: 
    owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
    [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve 
    McDonald
Sent: 06 July 2005 21:01
To: 
    rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: 500KHz/600m 
    Proposal


    
Could someone bring me up to speed on this in 
    the UK or elsewhere in Europe? Our Industry Canada liason person is looking 
    for information to bolster a possible proposal for a 600m amateur 
    allocation. Any background history would be helpful.

    
 

    
Thanks!

    
 

    
Steve / VE7SL

    
 

    
Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at   
    http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm
[L.F. 
    Loops] [Tuna Tin DX] [H.F. Maritime DX] [Crystal Radio DXing]
[2200m 
    Band] * NEW [CQ Crossband - 2200m To HF] [NDB DX] 
    [Boatanchors]


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Scott,


 


June 17 2004 was the date when changes to New 
Zealand radio regulations came in to force.  No Morse testing for any 
amateur operator qualification was the most significant change, but opportunity 
was taken to change other parts of the regulations, which included allocating 
130 - 190 kHz as an amateur band in New Zealand.


 


Before that a permit was needed, and the band was 
165 - 190 kHz.  ZL6QH (ZM2E) applied for and was granted a special permit 
to use the 136 kHz band somwhat earlier than 2004.


 


73, Bob ZL2CA 



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  
  
  
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 3:51 
  PM

  
Subject: LF: ZL on 2200m when?

  


  
I require the dates that ZL was allowed to begin 
  amateur operation on 2200m.

  
 

  
Does anyone have a list of non-CEPT countries 
  that allow 2200m amateur operation?

  
 

  
Thanks 

  
Scott

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL'  in 
  CN89lg at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio


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Steve McDonald wrote:


  
  
  
  

    
Tnx
to all of those who took the time to respond to this inquiry.

    
 

    
Steve
/ VE7SL

    
 

  



I am interested in using my Icom IC-706mkiiG general coverage

receiver to span 135.7 kHz to 137.8 kHz.  The book "LF Today",

by Mike Dennison, g3xdv, has info on adapting this transceiver

on page 10 Please note that the receiver will require an outboard

amplifier, as it is somewhat "deaf" on 2200 meters.



73's, יעקב


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Very strong summer signals from XES and XGJ 0145-0245UTC. Nil from
VO1NA last night.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut

Locator:JO52ho
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USA



Mike



Steve McDonald wrote:



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John
- many thanks indeed. I am sure this information will be helpful. Do
you know of any other countries that are considering a 600m slot for
amateurs? 

    

    
I posted a note to this reflector that was
written for the RSGB's Spectrum Forum the other day - maybe you and
others haven't seen it. The position in the UK is that the RSGB
submitted a proposal for access to frequencies around 500kHz, see http://www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/mf.htm. 
This is fairly self-explainatory.  The proposal is still being
considered by our regulator, Ofcom.

    
 

    
Elsewhere, Walter, DJ2LF has a special permit
for the current year for a beacon, DI2AG, that transmits on 440.044kHz.

    
 

    
73 John, G3WKL

    

      
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      From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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      Sent: 06 July 2005 21:01

      To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org

      Subject: LF: 500KHz/600m Proposal

      

      

      
Could someone bring me up to
speed on this in the UK or elsewhere in Europe? Our Industry Canada
liason person is looking for information to bolster a possible proposal
for a 600m amateur allocation. Any background history would be helpful.

      
 

      
Thanks!

      
 

      
Steve / VE7SL

      
 

      
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I require the dates that ZL was allowed to begin 
amateur operation on 2200m.


 


Does anyone have a list of non-CEPT countries that 
allow 2200m amateur operation?


 


Thanks 


Scott


 


 


 


Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL'  in 
CN89lg at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio


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Thanks to Laurie, Hartmut and Markus for the nice summer captures of XGJ.


 


--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ 
FN42hi


 


-------------- Original message -------------- 


Copy for about 2 hours best around 02:30 03:30 good copy of XGJ also NA . Carrier on 778.8 XES?  Loran on 778.3. see capture attached.


Laurie.





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John - many thanks indeed. I am sure this 
  information will be helpful. Do you know of any other countries that are 
  considering a 600m slot for amateurs? 

  
I 
  posted a note to this reflector that was written for the RSGB's Spectrum Forum 
  the other day - maybe you and others haven't seen it. The position in the 
  UK is that the RSGB submitted a proposal for access to frequencies around 
  500kHz, see http://www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/mf.htm.  
  This is fairly self-explainatory.  The proposal is still being considered 
  by our regulator, Ofcom.

  
 

  
Elsewhere, Walter, DJ2LF has a special permit for the current year for 
  a beacon, DI2AG, that transmits on 440.044kHz.

  
 

  
73 
  John, G3WKL

  

    

    
-----Original Message-----
From: 
    owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
    [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Steve 
    McDonald
Sent: 06 July 2005 21:01
To: 
    rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: 500KHz/600m 
    Proposal


    
Could someone bring me up to speed on this in 
    the UK or elsewhere in Europe? Our Industry Canada liason person is looking 
    for information to bolster a possible proposal for a 600m amateur 
    allocation. Any background history would be helpful.

    
 

    
Thanks!

    
 

    
Steve / VE7SL

    
 

    
Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at   
    http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm
[L.F. 
    Loops] [Tuna Tin DX] [H.F. Maritime DX] [Crystal Radio DXing]
[2200m 
    Band] * NEW [CQ Crossband - 2200m To HF] [NDB DX] 
    [Boatanchors]


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Message






I 
posted a note to this reflector that was written for the RSGB's Spectrum Forum 
the other day - maybe you and others haven't seen it. The position in the 
UK is that the RSGB submitted a proposal for access to frequencies around 
500kHz, see http://www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/mf.htm.  
This is fairly self-explainatory.  The proposal is still being considered 
by our regulator, Ofcom.


 


Elsewhere, Walter, DJ2LF has a special permit for the current year for a 
beacon, DI2AG, that transmits on 440.044kHz.


 


73 
John, G3WKL



  

  
-----Original Message-----
From: 
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] 
  On Behalf Of Steve McDonald
Sent: 06 July 2005 
  21:01
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: 
  500KHz/600m Proposal


  
Could someone bring me up to speed on this in the 
  UK or elsewhere in Europe? Our Industry Canada liason person is looking for 
  information to bolster a possible proposal for a 600m amateur allocation. Any 
  background history would be helpful.

  
 

  
Thanks!

  
 

  
Steve / VE7SL

  
 

  
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Could someone bring me up to speed on this in the 
UK or elsewhere in Europe? Our Industry Canada liason person is looking for 
information to bolster a possible proposal for a 600m amateur allocation. Any 
background history would be helpful.


 


Thanks!


 


Steve / VE7SL


 


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Dear Hartmut, Laurie and Group,

Thanks for the reports.  Still running only 50 watts here
with about 0.9 A aerial current, but thinking about getting
more wire in the air and on the ground.

Cheers
Joe


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Oops. I threw the switch instead of pushing the button! Time to start
labeling things around here, I guess. Tnx to Hartmut, Markus and Laurie for
the "dead carrier" reports. Will be back (with keying) tonight if wx
permits.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES




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Sig strength and direction here indicates carrier from XES...gremlins
may have decided to run an overnight full-tilt smoke test...

Jay, W1VD

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC" 
To: "RSGB" 
Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 4:16 AM
Subject: LF: TA 6 July


> Copy for about 2 hours best around 02:30 03:30 good copy of XGJ also
NA . Carrier on 778.8 XES?  Loran on 778.3. see capture attached.
> Laurie.
>
> -- 
>
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> http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/
>
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Hi Alan,

OK on the psu, should be no problem with reggies, the 24V is for the
original twin Xtal VXO which only now use on the bench for testing, an
external DDS VFO is used now & the 12V is constant anyway with no load
changes. I'll have a look at the electronic fuse.

I don't monitor the PA supply volts contiuously only check when calculating
PA power but my digi voltmeter would not react quick enough to see a very
short duration increase.

I will keep you posted.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alan Melia
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Hi Gary Ah that won't give any trouble, just make sure you have enough
"headroom" for the 3 legged reggies....4v should be enough but marginal if
you have droop under load. You have nothing active in the main supply to
take exception to strange loads. I think there is an electronic fuse on Dave
G3YXM's site that might be useful.....I dont know whether you would sense a
supply current increase before the failure.
Alan




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Hi Gary Ah that won't give any trouble, just make sure you have enough
"headroom" for the 3 legged reggies....4v should be enough but marginal if
you have droop under load. You have nothing active in the main supply to
take exception to strange loads. I think there is an electronic fuse on Dave
G3YXM's site that might be useful.....I dont know whether you would sense a
supply current increase before the failure.
Alan


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary - G4WGT" 
To: 
Sent: 05 July 2005 20:37
Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: G0MRF 300w Tx PA mods


> "What sort of PSU is it ??"
>
> It is a simple affair using a big toriod transformer, 40V x 40V at 6.3A
> 500VA with windings in parallel smoothed by 2 x 10,000MFD 100V capacitors
> (voltage is about 45V before going to transmit state) & a smaller toroid
to
> supply about 28V DC to 24V & 12V 3 leg IC regulators within the
transmitter.
>
> I am only using the variac at present because I wanted to bring it up
gently
> until I was sure that all is well, I will need to fit some sort of soft
> start when I am happy with it & know I can run it at max volts, I can then
> remove the variac.
>
> Thanks for your feedback.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>
> Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor
>
>
>



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From: MarkusVester@aol.com
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Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2005 03:00:21 EDT
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Subject: LF: Re:TA July, 6 and Rugby hours
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Dear Hartmut and LF,



WD2XGJ and the carrier at 778.8 were visible in Nuernberg as well.



Rugby LORAN "office hours" this week (as recorded here with 5 min averaging) were:

  Fri July 1st 7:10 - 15:55, Mon 6:50-17:00, Tue 6:50-15:30, today since 6:55.

 

73 de Markus, DF6NM


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2 signals identified:

Again only partial copy of VO1NA. Strong signal about 0245UTC, but copied not the
full callsign string.

Copied WD2XGJ in QRSS60 0150-0300UTC, traces until 0410.

Nothing identified from WD2XES. There was a carrier on 137.7788 kHz,
so probably key down?

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut

Locator:JO52ho
www.h-wolff.de



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Laurie,


   Looks like "G" and partial "J" from XGJ.


Tnx for capture!


 


--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ 
FN42hi


 


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Hi All,


3 TA signals recieved last night between 03:00 and 05:30 attached capt.about 04:00.


73 Laurie





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Tnx to all of those who took the time to respond 
  to this inquiry.

  
 

  
Steve / VE7SL

  
 


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Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC wrote:


  
As I understand it about 3db improvement is possible by making the
FFT sample time equal to the dot length.



Laurie,



  that's not strictly true. Of course, the optimum is to collect data
for the FFT analysis for a period of time coinciding with the actual
transmission, which, for non-overlapping FFTs, implies two things : 1)
the dot length must be equal to the inverse of the frequency resolution
of
the FFT,  2) the transmission must start synchronized with the data
gathering period.  But, as shown graphically by ON7YD on his LF pages, what
is usually done is to compute several FFTs spaced in time just a
fraction of the dot length, so that to have the guarantee that at least
one of them coincides with the actual transmission. This has a
drawback, what our US friends call the "dogboning", caused by a
smearing in frequency when the analysis interval and the actual data
interval are only partially overlapping in time.



IMHO, a real gain could be achieved.if we would forget non-coherent
detection, as that based of the computation of the magnitude of the
FFT, neglecting the phase, to switch instead to a sort of matched
filter, where a continuous correlation is computed between the incoming
signal and a locally generated digital sinusoid of the same frequency
of the expected signal. In case of random noise as input, the
correlation will not show any peak. If instead a valid signal is
present, a marked peak will manifest when there is phase coincidence
between the local and the received signals. This technique implies that
both signals have the same frequency, as the peak sharpness depends on
this. This requirement in turn implies that both the Rx and the Tx are
locked to GPS, with an accuracy in time and frequency much better than
that 1 sec you mention. A GPSDO is mandatory, like the HP Z3801A or a
self-built unit (not so difficult to do).



These are only qualitative considerations, without any computation of
the gain that could be achieved by using that technique, and are meant
only to stimulate further discussions on the subject.




73  Alberto  I2PHD








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Hi Laurie,

It shouldn't be too difficult to implement such a synchronisation - 
though I am not really convinced how 3 dB can be gained from this. One 
must consider that the usual "waterfall" software scrolls a bit faster 
than a "dot" interval, accepting some smearing, but sometimes this 
improves visibility.
In Spectrum Lab there is the option "triggered spectrogram", which was 
used in an experimental chirped radar once. If you feed a 
1-pulse-per-second signal to one of the inputs of the soundcard, you can 
already synchonize the waterfall display to that signal. The problem 
with the windows system clock is (at least under Win XP) that it drifts 
like hell, for absolutely obscure reasons, if its not permanently 
corrected by Dimension4 or the like. Too bad ! The battery-buffered 
"CMOS clock" in my old 486 machine was off by a few seconds per month - 
and easy to read under DOS - but these days it is almost impossible to 
access the CMOS clock registers directly without some low-level kernel 
driver programming.
A similar kind of "external" sync could be achieved with QRSS-sending 
software too. The question is still, will it pay out if the spectrogram 
is decoded by eye/brain .

Best regards,
 Wolf  DL4YHF.

P.S: Thanks for the nice CW contact last weekend. Hope it's not one of 
the last, thinking about the new Loran TX.....




Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC schrieb:

> This is an appeal to the writers of QRSS/Argo?Spectran software, and 
> also to those much more expert than I am to comment.
>
> Is it time we looked at method of time synchronisation? in order to 
> improve sig/noise ratio in very slow morse transmissions. ie QRSS.
>
> As I understand it about 3db improvement is possible by making the FFT 
> sample time equal to the dot length.
>
> If we are using QRSS10 for example a time accuracy of  1 sec. is only 
> 10% and at QRSS30 this is only a 3% error. I should not have thought 
> it too difficult to get this fromGPS or even MSF-60 or DCF 77 time 
> clocks, nor should it be too expensive.
>
> My big question is however how do I :- 1) Synchronise my QRSS/DFCW 
> programs and 2) my Spectran/ARGO programs to the computer clock. Does 
> this facility exist and if not would it be very difficult to implement? 
>
> If these options were available perhaps more people would consider 
> locking their computer clocks, so perhaps we could win another 3db. 
>
> 73 Laurie      
>
>
>
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>
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David and co


 


I have made a recording 
this evening with a repeatable signal (about "S6") in the passband and will make 
another when the Loran is on. It'll be interesting to see if I can hear the S6 
signal at all....


 


Dave 
G3YXM.


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J. B. Weazle McCreath schrieb:
> Hello LFers,
>
> A successful good copy of station "XDW" last week tells me that my big loop
> is capable of picking up more than just the locals.  Where should I be
> looking
> on the band to see if I can capture any of you European stations?
>
> Steve, VE7SL, if you're reading this and want to try a trans-Canada test,
> let
> me know and we'll have a go.  I haven't had this much fun with ham radio
> since I got on 10 meter FM back in the late 70's!!
>
> Cheers, J.B.
> EN93dr
>
Hi,

DJ8WX will be on the air on 135,9219kHz in mode QRSS60 transmitting the letters 
"WX" (0,7W ERP) from 2300 untill 0304UTC (check the PC clock) this night.

Regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv



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Hi Alan & LF,

You (Alan G3NYK) wrote :-

"It might be worth sticking a big 50 volt zener across the power unit
to clip any transients."

That sounds worth a try.

And

"What sort of PSU is it ??"

It is a simple affair using a big toriod transformer, 40V x 40V at 6.3A
500VA with windings in parallel smoothed by 2 x 10,000MFD 100V capacitors
(voltage is about 45V before going to transmit state) & a smaller toroid to
supply about 28V DC to 24V & 12V 3 leg IC regulators within the transmitter.

I am only using the variac at present because I wanted to bring it up gently
until I was sure that all is well, I will need to fit some sort of soft
start when I am happy with it & know I can run it at max volts, I can then
remove the variac.

Thanks for your feedback.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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Dave & LF,

You (Dave G3YXM) wrote :-

"It does however, have the SWR and overcurrent
protection set on a knife edge!"


When I complete the repair I will double check these features are
functioning correctly.

Thanks for your reply.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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From: "Gary - G4WGT" 
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Hi Scott & LF,

Scott VE7TIL wrote :-

"I found link coupling does jut that here so when it rains or snows the
power drops off
and SWR failures don't happen..."

Thanks for your comments & those from others who have kindly responded with
very valid words of wisdom etc. I am as a matter of course going to check
all the areas suggested for any weakness.

As I have personally tried ferrite matching transformer feed to the LF coil
(monitor line output transformer core) which got quite warm & did not allow
me to make advances in antenna current beyond a certain point although I
could increase PA power. I am currently using a grounded coil tapped up for
correct match & able to increase antenna current to my best figure of 2.4A
with 408 watts ( it did reach 2.6A with 504 watts & PA failed of course). So
I would now like to try link coupling to the loading coil, will you Scott
advise me of your preferred method & any calculations I may need to carry
out.

It would also be interesting to know what the preferred feed methods of
other LF operators, please let me know.

This all takes me back to the real radio days of the 60's (I was into 144MHz
& 432MHz then) when we had to build out own or modify military gear, those
were the days I got most out of the hobby as now with LF that I am enjoying
radio again despite these setbacks.

Thanks again for all the help & advice.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor




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This is an appeal to the writers of QRSS/Argo?Spectran software, and also to those much more expert than I am to comment.


Is it time we looked at method of time synchronisation? in order to improve sig/noise ratio in very slow morse transmissions. ie QRSS.


As I understand it about 3db improvement is possible by making the FFT sample time equal to the dot length. 


If we are using QRSS10 for example a time accuracy of  1 sec. is only 10% and at QRSS30 this is only a 3% error. I should not have thought it too difficult to get this fromGPS or even MSF-60 or DCF 77 time clocks, nor should it be too expensive.


My big question is however how do I :- 1) Synchronise my QRSS/DFCW programs and 2) my Spectran/ARGO programs to the computer clock. Does this facility exist and if not would it be very difficult to implement? 


If these options were available perhaps more people would consider locking their computer clocks, so perhaps we could win another 3db. 


73 Laurie      


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In a message dated 05/07/2005 08:23:30 GMT Standard Time, 
word.factory@zetnet.co.uk writes:


At the 
  next cave radio field meet in the UK, which is likely to be in September (but 
  the location is not yet decided), it is hoped to make measurements of Loran 
  signal strength on 87kHz and compare them with those in past years.  Cave 
  rescue organisations which use Heyphones and Molephones are also being asked 
  if they have noticed any difference in interference levels.

A note will 
  also appear in the forthcoming CREG Journal alerting people to the 
  tests.

73
John G3PAI




Hello John.


 


Thank you for that. I will be interested to know what if any deterioration 
in signal levels you measure. As a 'rescue service' any interference to your 
group would be considered more important than that caused to 'amateur 
radio'.


 


As most new installations like Rugby go through a well defined period of 
commissioning along the lines of:


 


Installation


Test


Assessment


Modification


Re-test


Hand over to operators


 


It may be the case that the Trinity House and Loran personnel will be 
aware that interference reported during the early stages is likely to be 
serious, while interference reported after 4 months of operation may not be that 
severe. Consequently, It's probably worth doing any monitoring sooner 
rather than later.


 


Pehaps if you have a cave rescue 'reflector' you could ask for any changes 
in reception to be reported at an earlier stage. Having said that it does appear 
that the Loran station is off at the weekends.......which is probably the most 
popular times for caving.


 


Many thanks


 


David


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Tnx to Hartmut and Laurie for the nice captures. I'll have XES on the air by
0100 on 137.779 this week, weather permitting. We have a forecast of
thunderstorms for the next few days, so there may be some exceptions!

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES




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Laurie and Hartmut and Group,

QRV again, running 50 watts 0.9 amps to a 100m wire at about 10
metres and experimenting with grounding.  Thanks to Hartmut and Laurie
for their captures.

73
Joe


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At the next cave radio field meet in the UK, which is likely to be in September (but the location is not yet decided), it is hoped to make measurements of Loran signal strength on 87kHz and compare them with those in past years.  Cave rescue organisations which use Heyphones and Molephones are also being asked if they have noticed any difference in interference levels.

A note will also appear in the forthcoming CREG Journal alerting people to the tests.

73
John G3PAI

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 04/07/2005 at 15:15 G0MRF@aol.com wrote:

>Hello Chaps.
> 
>Well, I think we have an opportunity to influence the future of the Loran  
>project at Rugby.
> 
>I made a complaint about the interference to the Loarn organisation and 
>they 
>have put the Trinity House project manager in touch with me.   Typically
>for 
>an interference complaint, they need times dates and description  of the 
>sound.  
>Sounds I can do, but can someone forward some real dates and times as I  
>haven't noted the previous transmissions to a sufficient accuracy.
> 
>I suspect we won't be able to stop this, but we may well get them to 
>install 
>a large notch filter for 136k.
> 
>Jim / Dave.  May I use some of your previously 'published' info?
> 
>Regards
> 
>David   G0MRF
> 
> 
> 
> 
>Dear Mr. Bowman, 
>
>I have been forwarded a copy of your email to  the International Loran 
>Association.
>
>Could you please let me have  some details regarding the interference
>you are 
>experiencing, including  what it sounds like and times of day that you
>are  experiencing
>it?
>
>Best regards,
>Paul






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Dear David, LF Group,


 


I made a .wav file recording of the Loran start-up this morning at about 
0651utc - I'll try and edit this down to a reasonable size. For the last couple 
of weeks, the Rugby Loran has not operated at the weekends, only during the day 
on weekdays starting around 0700 utc until about 1530 utc. I wasn't around 
yesterday, but it seems to be following that pattern today.


 


Cheers, Jim Moritz


73 de M0BMU



  
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: 136kHz and Rugby 
  Loran

  


  

  
Hello Jim.

  
 

  
Thanks for the 'permission'  I'll try and information gather for a 
  couple of days and then send them something fairly complete by the end of the 
  week.

  
 

  
Yes, a recording from Dave would be very convincing. I must calculate the 
  exact distance from here and try to get a 'specrogram' of the QRM. Thanks in 
  particular for the very useful 'added noise within a specific bandwidth' 
  figures.

  
 

  
Do you know if it's been operational recently on a daily basis or is it 
  still a few days on then a couple of days off while they make 
  adjustments?

  
 

  
Regards

  
 

  
David

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
In a message dated 04/07/2005 21:58:47 GMT Standard Time, 
  james.moritz@btopenworld.com writes:

  

    
Dear David, LF Group,

    
 

    
Please feel free to use the "published" info. So far, the only day I 
    captured the exact times of operation was 30th June, when Rugby started 
    at 0650 utc and shut down at 1526 utc, if the clock in my computer is 
    to be believed. At the moment, Rugby still seems to be operating the Loran 
    TX "office hours only" - it usually seems to come on about 8am BST, give or 
    take 20 mins or so - perhaps it would be a good idea  to make some 
    audio recordings as .wav files or similar of the actual start-up. I guess 
    this would be pretty convincing, especially if G3YXM can make a recording! 
    There was so much QRN during the afternoons in the last couple of weeks it 
    was hard to see on my spectrograms where the transmissions actually shut 
    down, but that may have improved this week. But since the natural band noise 
    is quite low in these summer mornings, the effect of the Loran noise is more 
    impressive then. I will set my alarm clock for tomorrow 
  morning.


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Hi All,


3 TA signals recieved last night between 03:00 and 05:30 attached capt.about 04:00.


73 Laurie


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Hello Jim.


 


Thanks for the 'permission'  I'll try and information gather for a 
couple of days and then send them something fairly complete by the end of the 
week.


 


Yes, a recording from Dave would be very convincing. I must calculate the 
exact distance from here and try to get a 'specrogram' of the QRM. Thanks in 
particular for the very useful 'added noise within a specific bandwidth' 
figures.


 


Do you know if it's been operational recently on a daily basis or is it 
still a few days on then a couple of days off while they make adjustments?


 


Regards


 


David


 


 


 


In a message dated 04/07/2005 21:58:47 GMT Standard Time, 
james.moritz@btopenworld.com writes:



  
Dear David, LF Group,

  
 

  
Please feel free to use the "published" info. So far, the only day I 
  captured the exact times of operation was 30th June, when Rugby started 
  at 0650 utc and shut down at 1526 utc, if the clock in my computer is to 
  be believed. At the moment, Rugby still seems to be operating the Loran TX 
  "office hours only" - it usually seems to come on about 8am BST, give or take 
  20 mins or so - perhaps it would be a good idea  to make some audio 
  recordings as .wav files or similar of the actual start-up. I guess this would 
  be pretty convincing, especially if G3YXM can make a recording! There was so 
  much QRN during the afternoons in the last couple of weeks it was hard to see 
  on my spectrograms where the transmissions actually shut down, but that may 
  have improved this week. But since the natural band noise is quite low in 
  these summer mornings, the effect of the Loran noise is more impressive then. 
  I will set my alarm clock for tomorrow 
morning.


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3 TA signals captured last night:

VO1NA partial copy of the call sign string in QRSS60 with some QRM
from the earlier this year reported EU carrier (sometimes visible as a
sawtooth).

WD2XES in DFCW90 on 137.7788/137.779 with a consistent signal nearly no fading
noted. Copied 3 "XES" 0120-0300.

WD2XGJ in QRSS60. Copied the signal 0130-0300UTC with some fading
around 0200UTC.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut

Locator:JO52ho
www.h-wolff.de



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From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ 
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Thanks Hartmut. I had been very sceptical of LW in the summer, your captures have been very informative.


--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ 
FN42hi


 


-------------- Original message -------------- 

> Copied Warren, WD2XGJ 0100-0300UTC in QRSS60 mode. This was the 
> longest TA opening I saw in the past nights. 
> 
> 
> Capture can be seen here: 
> 
> http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 
> 
> 
> 73 
> Hartmut 
> 
> Locator:JO52ho 
> www.h-wolff.de 
> 
> 


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J.B.,
> Where should I be looking on the band to see if I can capture any of you
European stations?<

The best place to look is 135.922 kHz, with a 30 second (slow) or 60 second
screen. The best time to look is when someone is actually on the air!
Lately, the overnight activity level from the EU side has been limited.
Things will naturally pick up in a few months. The path between you and EU
you goes over quite a bit more land than the path to some of us closer to
the coast. Don't be disappointed when Jay reports results that you can't
duplicate. Your chances will be better when things are quieter after the
thunderstorm season, but combinations of quiet nights and good propagation
do happen at all times of the year.

Here's a hint: Watch the DF6NM screen grabber at:
http://members.aol.com/DF6NM/Grabber.htm
Markus has four screens there. The top one covers QRSS3 activity within EU,
and the second one has the whole band at a similar screen speed. The third
one shows the NA window at 137.777 at QRSS30 speed, and the fourth one has
the above-mentioned EU window at 135.922. Watch that last one for signs of
activity that is visible in Germany. Unless local thunderstorms are
affecting Markus' copy, that screen pretty much shows who's on. Right now
it's blank, and that's typical for the summer.

John Andrews, W1TAG




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Hi Gary, as you are monitoring the match with a "Jim and Lech" match
indicator, I doubt there is much problem there. I have had another thought,
which refers to the physical wiring against the "schematic circuit"

There is a very high current flowing out of the FET sources, and back to the
power supply. I wonder if you have the ground connection of the drive
circuitry connected close to the sources. I am not sure what might happen if
some of the large currents were conducted through the ground rail common to
the gate drive circuit. It might just be possible for this to jack the drive
supply volts up to level to puncture the gate oxide, under some
circumstances. I have lost CMOS memories in a micro-processor control system
because my ground via the thermocouples was better than that of the
industrial 5kW (3 phase) oven power feed, that it was controlling. I put
100ohms in series with the ground leg of the thermocouple and the problem
went away.

Winding the mains volts to the power supply with a variac will provide some
small step changes as the brush bridges turns but these should be quite
small. It is possible that the PSU might "bounce". I have seen an analogue
power unit give unstabilised volts for some microseconds at switch-on,
before the op-amp took control and wound the drive to the emitter follower
down. It might be worth sticking a big 50 volt zener across the power unit
to clip any transients. The FETS should stand four x supply volts. What sort
of PSU is it ?? (if its a switcher you can probably forget that comment). I
suppose it is a pointer when you say you had just wound the volts up when it
failed. That rather takes the blame away from the aerial, and tuning.

Wild thoughts but they may strike a chord.....

Cheers de Alan G3NYK



----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary - G4WGT" 
To: 
Sent: 04 July 2005 20:54
Subject: LF: RE: G0MRF 300w Tx PA mods


> Dave & Alan,
>
> Thanks for your comments, I will try to answer all the questions.
>
> Dave wrote :-
> "Have you any SWR protection on the TX?" - Yes, the G0MRF 300 watt Tx has
> SWR protection.
>
> "Are they 100V devices?" - The Mosfets are STW34NB20, Vdss 200V  Id 34A.
>
> "It may be that you just momentarily over-Volted the FETs" - The PSU is
> variac controlled but max volts out is 45V, I increased the voltage from
34V
> to 36V using the variac, the indications on Jim's LF Tuning Meter were
> showing no cause for concern, the phase meter needle was very slightly
> towards positive (not known if it is voltage or current phase error).
>
> Alan wrote :-
> "It is his opinion that problems occur almost entirely due to aerial
> "effects". Unfavourable reactance / impedances can lead to very high
> voltages appearing across the FETs" - I anm beginning to believe that this
> is the problem area.
>
> "You mentioned that you have had some "arcing" or corona effects" - The
> arcing I mentioned was with the previous antenna & I have taken steps to
> remedy that.
>
> "unless your cores are getting very hot" - The blown air exiting from the
> case is always cool indicating that nothing is heating up inside.
>
> I will have to order some replacement mosfets, then I will take additional
> steps to confirm that the antenna is ok. My original feed arrangement was
> using a monitor line output transformer core for a matching transformer
> which I think was saturating because it got quite warm & the antenna
current
> would not increase beyond about 1.6 amps no matter how much power I threw
at
> it. I now use a smaller grounded coil (110mm dia) on the input to the main
> loading coil (280mm dia) & tap up that, using that method I was able to
> achieve the best match ever since experimenting on LF with the aid of the
> transmitters built in SWR meter & Jim's LF Tuning Meter.
>
> I will post findings as I progress.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>
> Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor
>
>
>



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Dear David, LF Group,


 


Please feel free to use the "published" info. So far, the only day I 
captured the exact times of operation was 30th June, when Rugby started at 
0650 utc and shut down at 1526 utc, if the clock in my computer is to be 
believed. At the moment, Rugby still seems to be operating the Loran TX "office 
hours only" - it usually seems to come on about 8am BST, give or take 20 mins or 
so - perhaps it would be a good idea  to make some audio recordings as .wav 
files or similar of the actual start-up. I guess this would be pretty 
convincing, especially if G3YXM can make a recording! There was so much QRN 
during the afternoons in the last couple of weeks it was hard to see on my 
spectrograms where the transmissions actually shut down, but that may have 
improved this week. But since the natural band noise is quite low in these 
summer mornings, the effect of the Loran noise is more impressive then. I will 
set my alarm clock for tomorrow morning...


 


Cheers, Jim Moritz


73 de M0BMU



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  
  
  
  
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 8:15 PM

  
Subject: LF: Re: 136kHz and Rugby 
  Loran

  


  

  
Hello Chaps.

  
 

  
Well, I think we have an opportunity to influence the future of the Loran 
  project at Rugby.

  
 

  
I made a complaint about the interference to the Loarn organisation and 
  they have put the Trinity House project manager in touch with me.  
  Typically for an interference complaint, they need times dates and description 
  of the sound.  

  
Sounds I can do, but can someone forward some real dates and times as I 
  haven't noted the previous transmissions to a sufficient accuracy.

  
 

  
I suspect we won't be able to stop this, but we may well get them to 
  install a large notch filter for 136k.

  
 

  
Jim / Dave.  May I use some of your previously 'published' 
  info?

  
 

  
Regards

  
 

  
David   G0MRF

  
 

  
 


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Gary

Usually core saturation will cause the over current protection to trip and
save the finals...  I figure you have an SWR problem...  I haven't had time
to read the thread forming but that seems like to cause of concern...  I
have run my variant of the G0MRF amp at over 600W in the 41V region for
months at a time with no problems until the SWR went crazy... ZAPP! and off
to the bench you'll go...  If you can use an SWR protection circuit or a
loading arrangement that causes the system to fail gracfully, I found link
coupling does jut that here so when it rains or snows the power drops off
and SWR failures don't happen...

Scott
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary - G4WGT" 
To: "Steve McDonald" 
Cc: "LF (Rsgb LF Group)" 
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2005 7:28 AM
Subject: LF: RE: G0MRF 300w Tx PA mods


> Hi Steve & LF,
>
> On 28th January 2005 you included the following statement in your e-mail.
>
> ""I think Scott has found that anything over 43V at 15A is getting
> very scary as the cores will saturate all of a sudden...""
>
> It seems that t has just happened to my PA, although my readings were
> showing 36 volts at 14 Amps (504 watts), I was testing again & tweaked the
> volts up a bit from 34 volts at 12 Amps (408 watts), it only stayed on
about
> 30 seconds & failed.
>
> During testing after the mods were carried out I bench tested into 50 ohm
> dummy load & achieved 645 watts so I felt that I could procede a little
> higher into the antenna, the antenna readings looked fine using Jim's
> (M0BMU) LF Tuning Meter. So I wonder, was it core saturation??
>
> The core I am using is the original which came with the kit from David
> (G0MRF).
>
> Any thoughts or ideas ??
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>
> Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve McDonald [mailto:jsm@gulfislands.com]
> Sent: 28 January 2005 22:50
> To: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk
> Subject: Re: G0MRF 300w Tx PA mods
>
>
>
> Gary - it sounds like you are getting similar results as we are with our
> 'west coast half-killowatt' amps. I am wondering what toroid you are using
> in the output xfrmr? Both Scott (VE7TIL) and I are using salvaged TV cores
> which seem to be OK up to a limit...they all appear to be slightly
> different. I think Scott has found that anything over 43V at 15A is
getting
> very scary as the cores will saturate all of a sudden...be careful with
> yours and get as much cooling on it as you can. I am thinking of rewinding
> another output xfrmr with the same turns ratio but with two cores stacked
> together. Good luck with yours.
>
> Steve / VE7SL
>
> Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at   http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm
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Gary

That's strange.
I would be happier with some 50A FETs, I rather like the IXYS IXFH58N20 but
the ones you are using should be OK...
I suppose the FETs are well clamped down with not too much heat-sink paste
applied?
Err...
Can't think of anything else but I am puzzled... I've done lots of
arcy-sparky tuning up type things with my 1kW transportable TX and it has
never blown the FETs. It does however, have the SWR and overcurrent
protection set on a knife edge!

73
Dave 
G3YXM 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 04 July 2005 20:54
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: G0MRF 300w Tx PA mods

Dave & Alan,

Thanks for your comments, I will try to answer all the questions.

Dave wrote :-
"Have you any SWR protection on the TX?" - Yes, the G0MRF 300 watt Tx has
SWR protection.

"Are they 100V devices?" - The Mosfets are STW34NB20, Vdss 200V  Id 34A.

"It may be that you just momentarily over-Volted the FETs" - The PSU is
variac controlled but max volts out is 45V, I increased the voltage from 34V
to 36V using the variac, the indications on Jim's LF Tuning Meter were
showing no cause for concern, the phase meter needle was very slightly
towards positive (not known if it is voltage or current phase error).

Alan wrote :-
"It is his opinion that problems occur almost entirely due to aerial
"effects". Unfavourable reactance / impedances can lead to very high
voltages appearing across the FETs" - I anm beginning to believe that this
is the problem area.

"You mentioned that you have had some "arcing" or corona effects" - The
arcing I mentioned was with the previous antenna & I have taken steps to
remedy that.

"unless your cores are getting very hot" - The blown air exiting from the
case is always cool indicating that nothing is heating up inside.

I will have to order some replacement mosfets, then I will take additional
steps to confirm that the antenna is ok. My original feed arrangement was
using a monitor line output transformer core for a matching transformer
which I think was saturating because it got quite warm & the antenna current
would not increase beyond about 1.6 amps no matter how much power I threw at
it. I now use a smaller grounded coil (110mm dia) on the input to the main
loading coil (280mm dia) & tap up that, using that method I was able to
achieve the best match ever since experimenting on LF with the aid of the
transmitters built in SWR meter & Jim's LF Tuning Meter.

I will post findings as I progress.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor







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Hi David,


 


I have copied my reply e-mail from when 
the interference was first seen which includes times, dates & rough levels 
of increased noise etc. I hope it helps.




Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor 


 


*************************************************




Hi All,


After reading the mail at mid-day today (22/06/2005) reference LORAN 
transmissions from Rugby I carried out some checks. Using my G3LNP loop & 
Spec Lab I compared noise levels with previous Spec Lab captures & I am also 
reading about a 10db or more increase across 136 KHz using on the spectrum graph 
on Spec Lab. The waterfall display is showing strong LORAN lines all across the 
display, considering this is at mid-day is it going to be worse at night in 
darkness? if this is the case it will be useless for me. With the G3LNP loop 
connected straight to the Yaesu FT-747 & the loop tuned to the 136 KHz band 
the signal strength on the S-Meter has increased from S4 to S9.


My location is near Chorley, Lancashire (IO83qp)


Regards,


Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp


Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor


-----Original Message-----


From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of James Moritz


Sent: 22 June 2005 08:56


To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org


Subject: LF: Rugby Loran QRV


 


Dear LF Group,


Bad news... This morning at about 0740utc the Rugby Loran station is 
definitely operating - At my QTH the 136kHz audible noise level has increased by 
about 10 - 15dB as a result. 


Cheers, Jim Moritz


73 de M0BMU


*****************************************************


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Subject: LF: Re: 136kHz and Rugby 
Loran




  

  
Hello 
  Chaps.

  
 

  
Well, I think we have an opportunity to influence the future of the Loran 
  project at Rugby.

  
 

  
I made a complaint about the interference to the Loarn organisation and 
  they have put the Trinity House project manager in touch with me.  
  Typically for an interference complaint, they need times dates and description 
  of the sound.  

  
Sounds I can do, but can someone forward some real dates and times as I 
  haven't noted the previous transmissions to a sufficient accuracy.

  
 

  
I suspect we won't be able to stop this, but we may well get them to 
  install a large notch filter for 136k.

  
 

  
Jim / Dave.  May I use some of your previously 'published' 
  info?

  
 

  
Regards

  
 

  
David   G0MRF

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
 

  
Dear Mr. Bowman, 
  

I have been forwarded a copy of your email to the International Loran 
  
Association.

Could you please let me have some details regarding 
  the interference
you are 
experiencing, including what it sounds like 
  and times of day that you
are experiencing
it?

Best 
  regards,
Paul

  

  
 


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Dave & Alan,

Thanks for your comments, I will try to answer all the questions.

Dave wrote :-
"Have you any SWR protection on the TX?" - Yes, the G0MRF 300 watt Tx has
SWR protection.

"Are they 100V devices?" - The Mosfets are STW34NB20, Vdss 200V  Id 34A.

"It may be that you just momentarily over-Volted the FETs" - The PSU is
variac controlled but max volts out is 45V, I increased the voltage from 34V
to 36V using the variac, the indications on Jim's LF Tuning Meter were
showing no cause for concern, the phase meter needle was very slightly
towards positive (not known if it is voltage or current phase error).

Alan wrote :-
"It is his opinion that problems occur almost entirely due to aerial
"effects". Unfavourable reactance / impedances can lead to very high
voltages appearing across the FETs" - I anm beginning to believe that this
is the problem area.

"You mentioned that you have had some "arcing" or corona effects" - The
arcing I mentioned was with the previous antenna & I have taken steps to
remedy that.

"unless your cores are getting very hot" - The blown air exiting from the
case is always cool indicating that nothing is heating up inside.

I will have to order some replacement mosfets, then I will take additional
steps to confirm that the antenna is ok. My original feed arrangement was
using a monitor line output transformer core for a matching transformer
which I think was saturating because it got quite warm & the antenna current
would not increase beyond about 1.6 amps no matter how much power I threw at
it. I now use a smaller grounded coil (110mm dia) on the input to the main
loading coil (280mm dia) & tap up that, using that method I was able to
achieve the best match ever since experimenting on LF with the aid of the
transmitters built in SWR meter & Jim's LF Tuning Meter.

I will post findings as I progress.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor




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Hello Chaps.


 


Well, I think we have an opportunity to influence the future of the Loran 
project at Rugby.


 


I made a complaint about the interference to the Loarn organisation and 
they have put the Trinity House project manager in touch with me.  
Typically for an interference complaint, they need times dates and description 
of the sound.  


Sounds I can do, but can someone forward some real dates and times as I 
haven't noted the previous transmissions to a sufficient accuracy.


 


I suspect we won't be able to stop this, but we may well get them to 
install a large notch filter for 136k.


 


Jim / Dave.  May I use some of your previously 'published' info?


 


Regards


 


David   G0MRF


 


 


 


 


Dear Mr. Bowman, 

I have been forwarded a copy of your email to 
the International Loran 
Association.

Could you please let me have 
some details regarding the interference
you are 
experiencing, including 
what it sounds like and times of day that you
are 
experiencing
it?

Best regards,
Paul




 


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Hi Gary, I have exchanged a several e-mails with Fritz Rabb, who is
cordinating the ARRLs 500kHz experiment. He has done extensive work on high
efficiency PAs, and has co-authoured papers with Nat Sokal on Class-E unit
design. It is his opinion that problems occur almost entirely due to aerial
"effects". Unfavourable reactance / impedances can lead to very high
voltages appearing across the FETs. This does not happen with 50 dummy
loads. Half wave filters can help, but even then there are conditions that
can be transformed to dangerous voltages. I think this is more likely that
core problems, unless your cores are getting very hot. If that is the case
then stack a couple together instead of just using one. That should give
more bulk to absorb the heat and keep it well below the Curie temperature,
and it also reduced the possibility of saturation.

You mentioned that you have had some "arcing" or corona effects, this is the
kind of step change in the aerial parameters that could cause very high
transients across the FETs. At the level of power you are running on a
realively low capacitance aerial the voltages on bends or end insulators
will be very high. Double insulators are probably necessary and even 3in
insulators may not be enough. You may need to double up, particularly if you
operate during any rain.

Fets can "blow" in one cycle of RF so SWR protection may not be able to act
fast enough to protect the devices, but it may help in some circumtances
where conditions change more slowly. I am not sure how effective the use of
MoVs across the FETs is, but I believe it has been used by the two Dave's

Cheers de Alan G3NYK



----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary - G4WGT" 
To: "Steve McDonald" 
Cc: "LF (Rsgb LF Group)" 
Sent: 04 July 2005 15:28
Subject: LF: RE: G0MRF 300w Tx PA mods


> Hi Steve & LF,
>
> On 28th January 2005 you included the following statement in your e-mail.
>
> ""I think Scott has found that anything over 43V at 15A is getting
> very scary as the cores will saturate all of a sudden...""
>
> It seems that t has just happened to my PA, although my readings were
> showing 36 volts at 14 Amps (504 watts), I was testing again & tweaked the
> volts up a bit from 34 volts at 12 Amps (408 watts), it only stayed on
about
> 30 seconds & failed.
>
> During testing after the mods were carried out I bench tested into 50 ohm
> dummy load & achieved 645 watts so I felt that I could procede a little
> higher into the antenna, the antenna readings looked fine using Jim's
> (M0BMU) LF Tuning Meter. So I wonder, was it core saturation??
>
> The core I am using is the original which came with the kit from David
> (G0MRF).
>
> Any thoughts or ideas ??
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>
> Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Steve McDonald [mailto:jsm@gulfislands.com]
> Sent: 28 January 2005 22:50
> To: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk
> Subject: Re: G0MRF 300w Tx PA mods
>
>
>
> Gary - it sounds like you are getting similar results as we are with our
> 'west coast half-killowatt' amps. I am wondering what toroid you are using
> in the output xfrmr? Both Scott (VE7TIL) and I are using salvaged TV cores
> which seem to be OK up to a limit...they all appear to be slightly
> different. I think Scott has found that anything over 43V at 15A is
getting
> very scary as the cores will saturate all of a sudden...be careful with
> yours and get as much cooling on it as you can. I am thinking of rewinding
> another output xfrmr with the same turns ratio but with two cores stacked
> together. Good luck with yours.
>
> Steve / VE7SL
>
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Gary.

Have you any SWR protection on the TX?
I would doubt if the cores would saturate so quickly that you didn't notice
the heat and drop-off in power before it went pop!
SWR protection is essential with these PAs because an arc on the antenna
system will suddenly strike, causing poor SWR. The trip will both save the
PA and stop the arc from doing too much damage to the antenna.

If you do have SWR protection then it may be that you just momentarily
over-Volted the FETs. Are they 100V devices? I always reckon on an HT of no
more than a quarter of the FET max rating...

73

Dave G3YXM. 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 04 July 2005 15:29
To: Steve McDonald
Cc: LF (Rsgb LF Group)
Subject: LF: RE: G0MRF 300w Tx PA mods

Hi Steve & LF,

On 28th January 2005 you included the following statement in your e-mail.

""I think Scott has found that anything over 43V at 15A is getting very
scary as the cores will saturate all of a sudden...""

It seems that t has just happened to my PA, although my readings were
showing 36 volts at 14 Amps (504 watts), I was testing again & tweaked the
volts up a bit from 34 volts at 12 Amps (408 watts), it only stayed on about
30 seconds & failed.

During testing after the mods were carried out I bench tested into 50 ohm
dummy load & achieved 645 watts so I felt that I could procede a little
higher into the antenna, the antenna readings looked fine using Jim's
(M0BMU) LF Tuning Meter. So I wonder, was it core saturation??

The core I am using is the original which came with the kit from David
(G0MRF).

Any thoughts or ideas ??

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor




-----Original Message-----
From: Steve McDonald [mailto:jsm@gulfislands.com]
Sent: 28 January 2005 22:50
To: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: Re: G0MRF 300w Tx PA mods



Gary - it sounds like you are getting similar results as we are with our
'west coast half-killowatt' amps. I am wondering what toroid you are using
in the output xfrmr? Both Scott (VE7TIL) and I are using salvaged TV cores
which seem to be OK up to a limit...they all appear to be slightly
different. I think Scott has found that anything over 43V at 15A is getting
very scary as the cores will saturate all of a sudden...be careful with
yours and get as much cooling on it as you can. I am thinking of rewinding
another output xfrmr with the same turns ratio but with two cores stacked
together. Good luck with yours.

Steve / VE7SL

Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at   http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm
[L.F. Loops] [Tuna Tin DX] [H.F. Maritime DX] [Crystal Radio DXing] [2200m
Band] * NEW [CQ Crossband - 2200m To HF] [NDB DX] [Boatanchors]

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Hi Steve & LF,

On 28th January 2005 you included the following statement in your e-mail.

""I think Scott has found that anything over 43V at 15A is getting
very scary as the cores will saturate all of a sudden...""

It seems that t has just happened to my PA, although my readings were
showing 36 volts at 14 Amps (504 watts), I was testing again & tweaked the
volts up a bit from 34 volts at 12 Amps (408 watts), it only stayed on about
30 seconds & failed.

During testing after the mods were carried out I bench tested into 50 ohm
dummy load & achieved 645 watts so I felt that I could procede a little
higher into the antenna, the antenna readings looked fine using Jim's
(M0BMU) LF Tuning Meter. So I wonder, was it core saturation??

The core I am using is the original which came with the kit from David
(G0MRF).

Any thoughts or ideas ??

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor




-----Original Message-----
From: Steve McDonald [mailto:jsm@gulfislands.com]
Sent: 28 January 2005 22:50
To: g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk
Subject: Re: G0MRF 300w Tx PA mods



Gary - it sounds like you are getting similar results as we are with our
'west coast half-killowatt' amps. I am wondering what toroid you are using
in the output xfrmr? Both Scott (VE7TIL) and I are using salvaged TV cores
which seem to be OK up to a limit...they all appear to be slightly
different. I think Scott has found that anything over 43V at 15A is getting
very scary as the cores will saturate all of a sudden...be careful with
yours and get as much cooling on it as you can. I am thinking of rewinding
another output xfrmr with the same turns ratio but with two cores stacked
together. Good luck with yours.

Steve / VE7SL

Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at   http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm
[L.F. Loops] [Tuna Tin DX] [H.F. Maritime DX] [Crystal Radio DXing]
[2200m Band] * NEW [CQ Crossband - 2200m To HF] [NDB DX] [Boatanchors]

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Does anyone know a good source 1.5" round tube with 1/8" wall?

Someone towed  one of the CARC towers with a leg down.

The good news is that the holes are a weak point that saves
the tower from damage.

The bad news is that I need to make a new leg - and I suppose
a spare.

- Stewart G3YSX




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Hello LFers,

A successful good copy of station "XDW" last week tells me that my big loop
is capable of picking up more than just the locals.  Where should I be
looking
on the band to see if I can capture any of you European stations?

Steve, VE7SL, if you're reading this and want to try a trans-Canada test,
let
me know and we'll have a go.  I haven't had this much fun with ham radio
since I got on 10 meter FM back in the late 70's!!

Cheers, J.B.
EN93dr



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Hi Dave & Jeff,

Thanks for your kind words !!

Thanks to Dave for the screen shot.

I WILL TRY AGAIN SOON.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of F6CWN
Sent: 03 July 2005 21:27
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Re: testing...


03./07/2005   2113z

 Back from radio QTH ( JN09tt), i just read the sad news!
RIP poor silicium...
For the story, my first PA was alive only 20 minutes ( variometer problem)
 Be persuasive Gary, and you will see the victory off the Men against the
slicium.
73: Jeff / F6CWN


--- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave G3WCB" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:21 PM
Subject: LF: RE: RE: RE: RE: Testing


> Well,
> it was good while it lasted!
> 73,
> Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
> Sent: 03 July 2005 21:04
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: RE: RE: RE: Testing
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> To good to be true, PA just failed !!!!!!
>
> Back to the bench.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>
> Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
> Sent: 03 July 2005 20:50
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: RE: RE: Testing
>
>
> Hi Again,
>
> Going for broke, increase power to 505 watts.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>
> Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor
>
> -




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03./07/2005   2113z

 Back from radio QTH ( JN09tt), i just read the sad news!
RIP poor silicium...
For the story, my first PA was alive only 20 minutes ( variometer problem)
 Be persuasive Gary, and you will see the victory off the Men against the
slicium.
73: Jeff / F6CWN


--- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dave G3WCB" 
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Subject: LF: RE: RE: RE: RE: Testing


> Well,
> it was good while it lasted!
> 73,
> Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
> Sent: 03 July 2005 21:04
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: RE: RE: RE: Testing
>
>
> Hi All,
>
> To good to be true, PA just failed !!!!!!
>
> Back to the bench.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>
> Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
> Sent: 03 July 2005 20:50
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: RE: RE: Testing
>
>
> Hi Again,
>
> Going for broke, increase power to 505 watts.
>
> Regards,
>
> Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>
> Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor
>
> -



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Well, 
it was good while it lasted!
73,
Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 03 July 2005 21:04
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Hi All,

To good to be true, PA just failed !!!!!!

Back to the bench.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 03 July 2005 20:50
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: RE: RE: Testing


Hi Again,

Going for broke, increase power to 505 watts.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

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From: "Gary - G4WGT" 
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Hi All,

To good to be true, PA just failed !!!!!!

Back to the bench.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 03 July 2005 20:50
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Hi Again,

Going for broke, increase power to 505 watts.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 03 July 2005 20:40
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Hi All,

I am moving to frequency 135.923 KHz to see if I show on DF6NM grabber.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 03 July 2005 20:22
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Subject: LF: Testing


Hi All at LF,

Testing at the moment on 135930 KHz QRSS03, 410 watts DC input, 2.5A antenna
current. This is the point I had a failure with antenna arcing during last
tests!!!!

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor






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Hi Dave,

Thanks for report, just increased to 505 watts. Last testing with previous
antenna caused serious arcing but seems ok on this one with antenna current
about 2.6A.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB
Sent: 03 July 2005 20:42
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Hi, Gary.
Your sigs are clearly audible here, IO91RM.
73,
Dave G3WCB IO91RM.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 03 July 2005 20:22
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Hi All at LF,

Testing at the moment on 135930 KHz QRSS03, 410 watts DC input, 2.5A antenna
current. This is the point I had a failure with antenna arcing during last
tests!!!!

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor







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Hi, Gary.
Your sigs are clearly audible here, IO91RM.
73,
Dave G3WCB IO91RM.

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 03 July 2005 20:22
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Hi All at LF,

Testing at the moment on 135930 KHz QRSS03, 410 watts DC input, 2.5A antenna
current. This is the point I had a failure with antenna arcing during last
tests!!!!

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor






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Hi All,

I am moving to frequency 135.923 KHz to see if I show on DF6NM grabber.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 03 July 2005 20:22
To: LF (Rsgb LF Group)
Subject: LF: Testing


Hi All at LF,

Testing at the moment on 135930 KHz QRSS03, 410 watts DC input, 2.5A antenna
current. This is the point I had a failure with antenna arcing during last
tests!!!!

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor




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Hi again,

Should have stated 135.930 KHz. But I'm sure you all realised the mistake.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 03 July 2005 20:22
To: LF (Rsgb LF Group)
Subject: LF: Testing


Hi All at LF,

Testing at the moment on 135930 KHz QRSS03, 410 watts DC input, 2.5A antenna
current. This is the point I had a failure with antenna arcing during last
tests!!!!

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor




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Hi All at LF,

Testing at the moment on 135930 KHz QRSS03, 410 watts DC input, 2.5A antenna
current. This is the point I had a failure with antenna arcing during last
tests!!!!

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor



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To All from PA0SE


I also had good reception of SAQ on 2 and 3 July.   The morse
code of the messages was perfect. The SAQ website of SAQ shows Lars
Kalland at the key of SAQ. So either Lars has an excellent fist or the
code came from a Creed machine running a punched paper tape.


I used the 13.15 UTC transmission on Sunday to measure the field
strength.  My single turn untuned loop of 1 x 1 square metres
produced 0.25 microvolt. This was measured at about  8 dB above the
noise of a W & G SPM-12 selective voltmeter in 25Hz bandwidth. This
works out at a  field strength of 698 microvolt/m. The reading
is  not  accurate as the meter was jumping up and down on the
morse signal, so the reading is perhaps correct within 2 dB or so. 
I take the distance between Grimeton and my QTH Leiderdorp to be 735km.
Entering 698 microvolt/m and 735km into the graphs for groundwave
propagation of CCIR Recommendation 368-7 yields a transmitted power of 6
kW over both sea water and  ":Land".  This tallies
rather well with the 7kW found by Jim, M0BMU.  


The power fed to the aerial is stated at 200kW. So 6kW radiated power
means an efficiency of (6/200) *100% is 3%. This looks low but at a
frequency of 17.2kHz it is not bad I think. (I wish I had 3% at 136kHz;
that would give me 3.6W EMRP instead of 60 milliwatt!) 


73, Dick, PA0SE

JO22GD 


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Hello Group,

some time ago I asked for your permissions to use some photographs of your
websites or other photo material that you would send me for my monthly LF
column for the German magazine FUNKAMATEUR.

I think I forgot to thank you for the permissions you gave me, I have made
use of numerous interesting photographs since.

If you have anything you think that that might be of interest, such as
antennas (not only of amateur radio transmitters but also of beacons, LF
commercial stations, etc.), of your shack or your project, please send me
the link where I can find your photo or send me the photo directly
(dk8kw@qru.de).

Thanky, vy 73

Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)

P.S.: I am pretty busy with other things at the moment and so I don't have
much time to be QRV on LF but I closely monitor what is going on.




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Many thanks to those who listed their favourite constructional 
software for me.

Mike, G3XDV
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> Hello to all:
>
> Very good copied CW messages at 8:15 and 9:15 UTC on 17.2 kHz.
>
> Signal field strenght:                     46 dB(uV/m)
> Signal plus noise to noise ratio:    14dB (160 Hz IF BW, and RMS
measurement
> of atmospheric noise)
> Atmospheric noise field strenght: 10dB(uV/m)/Hz, RMS
>
> 73 de José, EA1PX, loc IN53ti





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Dear LF Group,


 


Good reception of SAQ again this morning at 0815 
and 0915 utc. Between the broadcasts, the station was mostly sending V's, and he 
operators spent some time apparently tweaking the frequency control of the 
alternator, in which they were successful because the "chirp" in the second 
broadcast was reduced from about 60Hz to within 10Hz.


 


The test program also gave me time to measure the 
field strength, which worked out to 340uV/m. Using G4FGQ's "grndwav" software, 
ground- and diffraction losses work out to about 4dB, and taking this into 
account, the ERP of SAQ is about 7kW.


 


The QRN noise level seems to have stayed quite low, 
so if you haven't already done so, this afternoon's broadcasts would be a good 
time to listen out for SAQ.


 


Cheers, Jim Moritz


73 de M0BMU


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Copied Warren, WD2XGJ 0100-0300UTC in QRSS60 mode. This was the
longest TA opening I saw in the past nights.


Capture can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut

Locator:JO52ho
www.h-wolff.de



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To all 
,


Herewith confirm reception of the signal of SAQ  a little while 
after 12.30 UTC Today . Had the impression that the speed of the alternator had 
to be adjusted as the frequency had to settle after I tuned to the signal . 
The strenght of the signal was about 8 to 10 Db over the noise in 300 Hz 
bandwith with a 23 meters long piece of wire at 5 meters high . The speed of the 
CW was over my capability but I wrote down the meaning of the message  
about Unesco ,Alexanderson and the impact on radio telegraphy 
.


73,William 
PAØWFO 


 


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Also over here good copy Cuxhaven Germany although 
very qrn


I observed also the QSY at tuning up ( abt 50 Hz 
)


and switchoff "wine" do no load, going back and qsy 
up 100Hz or so and then stop.


Using TEE- Antenna 12m / 20m topload, Mixer with 
Ne612, 29 Mhz xtal.( IF 29 MHz)


 


Signal was abt s-9 and abt 10db over noise 
floor.


 


Made a swl (LWL) report to saq


 


vy 73 Uwe, DK1KQ


 


 



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  
From: 
  Dave G3WCB 

  
  
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2005 8:24 
  PM

  
Subject: LF: RE: SAQ Broadcast

  


  
Dear 
  LF,

  
 

  
SAQ 
  signals very strong at this location. Could still be heard with 40dB 
  attenuation in the antenna lead. My RX set-up was a MC1496 
  mixer up to 7.0 MHz and then into an ICOM PCR-1000. No preamp. I used my usual 
  LF Marconi, but with a ferrite pot-core to resonate at 17.2 
  kHz.

  
 

  
I 
  could clearly see the "spacer" signal during key-up periods (using Spectran). 
  I think the whiff of hot oil and transformer varnish was a trick of my 
  imagination!

  
 

  
73,

  
Dave 
  G3WCB IO91RM.

  

    
-----Original Message-----
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    owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
    [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of James 
    Moritz
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    Broadcast


    
Dear LF Group,

    
 

    
Good reception of the SAQ broadcast a little 
    after 1230 utc today - the QRN level seems to be lower than it usually is 
    when SAQ is active, so a nice clear signal. Today's broadcast message was 
    about UNESCO inauguration of the site, paying tribute to EFW Alexanderson 
    and recognising the impact of radio communications. Hopefully, the 
    noise will remain low for tomorrow's broadcasts too.

    
 

    
Cheers, Jim Moritz

    
73 de 
M0BMU


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Dear 
LF,


 


SAQ 
signals very strong at this location. Could still be heard with 40dB attenuation 
in the antenna lead. My RX set-up was a MC1496 mixer up to 7.0 
MHz and then into an ICOM PCR-1000. No preamp. I used my usual LF Marconi, but 
with a ferrite pot-core to resonate at 17.2 kHz.


 


I 
could clearly see the "spacer" signal during key-up periods (using Spectran). I 
think the whiff of hot oil and transformer varnish was a trick of my 
imagination!


 


73,


Dave 
G3WCB IO91RM.



  
-----Original Message-----
From: 
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of James 
  Moritz
Sent: 02 July 2005 14:24
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  Broadcast


  
Dear LF Group,

  
 

  
Good reception of the SAQ broadcast a little 
  after 1230 utc today - the QRN level seems to be lower than it usually is when 
  SAQ is active, so a nice clear signal. Today's broadcast message was about 
  UNESCO inauguration of the site, paying tribute to EFW Alexanderson and 
  recognising the impact of radio communications. Hopefully, the noise will 
  remain low for tomorrow's broadcasts too.

  
 

  
Cheers, Jim Moritz

  
73 de M0BMU


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Dear LF Group,


 


Good reception of the SAQ broadcast a little after 
1230 utc today - the QRN level seems to be lower than it usually is when SAQ is 
active, so a nice clear signal. Today's broadcast message was about UNESCO 
inauguration of the site, paying tribute to EFW Alexanderson and recognising the 
impact of radio communications. Hopefully, the noise will remain low for 
tomorrow's broadcasts too.


 


Cheers, Jim Moritz


73 de M0BMU


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Hi Mike


 


Bit of a delay in reading your query but hope this helps.


 


My own experience is that if you are willing to transport the poles 
yourself (roof rack, rope, prominent marker flags front and rear etc) it is 
usually possible to purchase for cash at your local branch of a firm whose 
initials coincide with those of Strong Golf Balls Ltd.


 


If you don't have a local branch of that firm try a local scaffolding firm 
who may be prepared to sell to you on a similar basis


 


73 de Pat g4gvw


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Dear Mike, LF group,



 



 



 



...I am writing a short chapter on using
computers in amateur radio, for 



the new edition of the RSGB's Radio
Communication Handbook.



 



This is about construction and not
operating, and I am interested in 



what software is used by group members when
designing building and 



testing amateur radio equipment, including
antennas and not just for 



LF...



 



Spectrogram programmes, such as
Spectrum Lab, are useful for very many things apart from LF reception, such as
measuring distortion, intermodulation, noise, oscillator drift, modulation, and
propagation study (see, for example, the CDG2000 transceiver articles from RadCom
a while ago, the various LF propagation web pages). The performance of
spectrogram software plus soundcard as an audio spectrum analyser is hard to
beat, provided you don't mind supplying your own amplitude calibration. 



 



There are quite a few NEC-based programmes around for
antenna analysis, some available in free demo versions - see for example: http://www.cebik.com/model/nec.html



I suspect that amateur antenna designers have become a
bit over-reliant on NEC, and tend to neglect the “real world”
aspects of antenna behaviour as a result, but it certainly does provide a useful
facility, all the same.



 



There are also many SPICE-based
simulator programmes around - see http://www.terrypin.dial.pipex.com/ECADList.html
, for example. Some of these are available as free demos (as rather large
downloads), usually with restrictions on the free version. These things are
very useful to see if or how a circuit "works", and can usually quite
accurately predict performance (mostly for analogue circuits), although they do
require substantial effort to learn to use effectively. I have used PSpice a
lot when designing amateur radio circuits, mostly because I can “borrow”
it from work. A circuit simulator won’t do the designing for you, but it
does help a lot in finding out what is wrong with a design, and predicting what
will happen before you actually build the circuit. 



 



I would echo what people have
already said about G4FGQ’s software utilities, and the AADE filter design
software – these programmes have saved me a lot of time pushing buttons
on a calculator in the past!



 



Cheers, Jim Moritz



73 de M0BMU



 









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WD2XGJ will be transmitting from 0000 - 0501 UTC for the next couple of weeks.
This should cover the period of mutual darkness from here to EU.

Also, thanks to Hartmut for the nice summer captures.

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi


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Dear John,


Thanks for providing this URL.  I used  to use a very old
program running under DOS for designing filters but the

AADE one looks like a very much better and improved tool. I also like the
tutorial which makes the program useful for those who want to learn a bit
about filters without  the need  for designing them.. 

Mike should certainly include this in his book.


(Upon opening the program a commercial for a LC-meter appears. Buit the
program  promises that after ten times it will not appear
again.

By the way the LC-meter is a very fine tool; I have one myself and am
very happy with it). 


73, Dick, PA0SE





At 11:49 30-6-05, you wrote:


For filter design I use AADE
Filter Design version 4.03


For circuit simulation I am looking at Linear Technology LTC
Spice/SwitcherCAD III but don't claim to be competent yet.


73

John G3PAI


*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********


On 30/06/2005 at 10:25 Mike Dennison wrote:


>I am writing a short chapter on using computers in amateur radio, for


>the new edition of the RSGB's Radio Communication Handbook.

>

>This is about construction and not operating, and I am interested in


>what software is used by group members when designing building and


>testing amateur radio equipment, including antennas and not just for


>LF.

>

>This includes any software that is still available, whether it is


>freeware or paid-for

>

>Also, do you have favourite web sites or discussion groups to 

>exchange technical (not operating) information?

>

>Are there any other ways you use a computer to improve your ability


>to make radio gear?

>

>Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

>

>73

>Mike, G3XDV

>==========



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Dear friends,


         I 
got some snapshots from TF0 / DL7WB. He received the beacon in May in Iceland, 
IP04CD. The distance is 2436Km and new ODX.


Power was 0.5W ERP, mode DFCW.


73    Walter    
DJ2LF


 


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>The original 756 has poor performance below 500kHz primarily due to 
  transformer design, 

  
 

  
Thanks Dave...I was quite impressed with the short listen I did on the 
  new 756 PRO III....perhaps they have improved this problem, since the original 
  promo was pushing the 2200m tx capability (at least the EU model) which 
  apparently the advertising men forgot to tell the design team about.

  
 

  
I really need to use it for a few nights to get a better feel for it. 
  Perhaps when the 'glow of newness' fades, Ralph will let me try it out for a 
  couple of nights.

  
 

  
73 / Steve


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At 21:44 30.06.2005 +0200, you wrote:
>Dear group,
>  Sorry for this slightly "off topic" posting since it's not strictly LF...
>
>Can anyone confirm the *exact* frequency of DI2AG ?
>I have tried to "calibrate" my TS-850S  near 440 kHz using the 28-th harmonic of 15.625 kHz (from ZDF TV), and -after that- found DI2AG somewhere near 440.043 kHz - with some uncertainty because the signal is rather weak here at the moment, and lots of QRN.
>
>The strongest signal on 440 kHz, most likely NDB "DRE" from Poland here, seems to be precisely on 440.0000 kHz. There is another NDB 1.56 Hz above "DRE" but no idea which one.
>
>The plan is to prepare a configuration for Spectrum Lab which logs the field strength of the beacon, along with the noise level and some of the NDB's in DI2AG's vincinity. For this task, knowledge of the precise frequencies would be helpful - Markus ? ;-)
>
>
>73,
> Wolf  DL4YHF .

Hi Wolf, Hi all

DI2AG's nominal QRG is 440.044 KHz.

You will find the NDBs "DRE" (SP), PIA(I) and the lower sideband
of the A2 modulated CK (OK).

73, Arno
 



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Weak copy of the QRSS60 signal from WD2XGJ 0120-0210UTC.

Capture can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut

Locator:JO52ho
www.h-wolff.de



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In a message dated 30/06/2005 21:55:29 GMT Standard Time, 
laurie@g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk writes:



  
Thanks Laurie. I was playing with a friend's new 
  756 PRO III (he won it at Dayton this year!!) and it seemed very nice down 
  below the BCB but he notices a rise of internal noise from around 250KHz down 
  to 50KHz. The noise is also visible on the scope as a rise in the rx ambient 
  noise floor. I take it that you don't have this problem with 
  yours?




==================                        =========================


 


My original 756 radiates noise from the LCD display. I have to keep open 
feeders and any loop antenna several feet from the radio.


 


The original 756 has poor performance below 500kHz primarily due to 
transformer design, but also because of the attenuator that is permanently 
switched in for MF / LF reception. Even so, with a pre-amp its a good LF 
receiver due to the flexible DSP and other filtering. 


 


73


 


David  G0MRF