From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:53:02 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DdXOm-0001xL-PZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:53:02 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DdXOm-0001ww-KK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:53:00 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DdXNl-0000My-Ud for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:51:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DdXNl-0000Mp-C3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:51:57 +0100 Received: from fh1024.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.34] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DdXQC-0005Yz-H1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 01 Jun 2005 18:54:29 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.217) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 4291A94A00381F2E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 1 Jun 2005 17:51:53 +0000 Message-ID: <002b01c56678$2ef76100$d9e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4298D673.7020308@usa.net> <002301c56449$31f11300$ecac8351@w4o8m9> <6.1.0.6.2.20050529205736.02814360@mbox.spin-it.com> <429B1EE1.1070605@usa.net> <000501c565bb$65c49940$f8e8fc3e@l8p8y6> <429CB81B.7070604@usa.net> Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 06:26:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: Re: RE: RA1792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: LF: RE: RA1792 > hamilton mal wrote: > > >Alberto I know you are waiting for my opinion about this RX. I would not buy > >this old technology with degraded components at the prices that suppliers > >are asking both in the UK and other parts of EU. > >The price for such a Rx would be about 300 Euro max and even then its a risk > >from the maintainence end. > >The price that dealers in the UK are quoting for this old heap would buy you > >a nice new dedicated T/RCVR for the amateur bands and more than stable for > >data modes for use on LF and a quarter the size. > >Think about it!!!!!! > >de Mal/G3KEV > > > Hello Mal, > > a voice outside the choir ! It's always interesting to hear opinions > dissenting from those of the others, as they can convey new information. > So what you are suggesting to me is to negotiate the price down to about > one half of what has been requested... I am sure to be able to > obtain a price reduction, as, knowing who is the seller, his first word > rarely is his last. But 50% discount seems a bit too much... > I don't need a transceiver, I have already a Kenwood TS-950SDX which I > like a lot. What I am in search of, is a dedicated receiver > for my intended useage. Will keep im mind your opinion, thanks for it. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD Hi Alberto. It has already been pointed out that these Receivers are 15-20 years old and in my opinion a RX that old is not worth more than around £200 ie Euro 300 approx, in fact £100 would be more than enough. The specification for the RX is good but AGE is against it !!! There are more high tech and advanced creatures about these days, with Digital filtering etc better suited for your job. 73 de Mal and definitely not in the Choir or a Gang nor being lead by the nose!! > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:35:35 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DdkEm-0004So-T3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:35:35 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DdkEm-0004SB-Oj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:35:32 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DdkDx-0001Dy-Px for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:34:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DdkDw-0001Dp-SV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:34:40 +0100 Received: from mail.uk.thalesgroup.com ([194.128.85.6] helo=crawsmail1.uk.thalesgroup.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DdkGf-0005ri-Aa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 08:37:30 +0100 Received: from mail.uk.thalesgroup.com (lisc0021.int.rdel.co.uk) by crawsmail1.uk.thalesgroup.com (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.14) with ESMTP id for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:34:30 +0100 Received: from temps153538.tms-ltd.com ([193.150.182.142]) by mail.uk.thalesgroup.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j527YUJ3021761 for ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:34:30 +0100 Received: by temps153538.tms-ltd.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) id ; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:34:30 +0100 Message-ID: <8E8D23D235D70840B6582917DF2789800240AE@temps153538.tms-ltd.com> From: Reeves Paul To: "'rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org'" Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:34:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2657.72) Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: RA1792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Mal, I'm not exactly the most active person on this group, being rx only at this stage (and very shaky cw!), but I cannot resist joining in on this topic. The RA1772/1792 receivers are arguably considerably superior to almost all amateur grade receive systems available today, despite their age. Sure, they need some care but the components are easily available, unlike the SMT/VLSI based amateur gear. The RF performance in terms of dynamic range is comparable (I concede improvements in technology, but these have only managed to equal 30 yr old designs). The oscillator phase noise and stability is certainly better than more recent gear and the filtering is also better - and if the optional phase corrected filters were fitted then one of the DSP plus points goes away. The ergonomics are definitely superior but, ok, you do need a 19" rack! DSP filtering in the recent amateur gear is, in any case, implemented at a very low IF (barely above audio) and equivalent filtering, or, better, more sophisticated processing (correlation, error detection etc) could easily be added outboard of one of the older receivers. Since this processing would end up as something like WOLF, ARGO, etc I don't expect you to quite agree with me ;-) I would certainly like these rxs to be 300 euro (or less) but they are still MUCH less than the amateur 'equivalent'and, I think, good value. 73s Paul g8gja -----Original Message----- From: hamilton mal [mailto:g3kev.ham@virgin.net] Sent: 01 June 2005 06:27 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: RA1792 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: LF: RE: RA1792 > hamilton mal wrote: > > >Alberto I know you are waiting for my opinion about this RX. I would not buy > >this old technology with degraded components at the prices that suppliers > >are asking both in the UK and other parts of EU. > >The price for such a Rx would be about 300 Euro max and even then its a risk > >from the maintainence end. > >The price that dealers in the UK are quoting for this old heap would buy you > >a nice new dedicated T/RCVR for the amateur bands and more than stable for > >data modes for use on LF and a quarter the size. > >Think about it!!!!!! > >de Mal/G3KEV > > > Hello Mal, > > a voice outside the choir ! It's always interesting to hear opinions > dissenting from those of the others, as they can convey new information. > So what you are suggesting to me is to negotiate the price down to about > one half of what has been requested... I am sure to be able to > obtain a price reduction, as, knowing who is the seller, his first word > rarely is his last. But 50% discount seems a bit too much... > I don't need a transceiver, I have already a Kenwood TS-950SDX which I > like a lot. What I am in search of, is a dedicated receiver > for my intended useage. Will keep im mind your opinion, thanks for it. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD Hi Alberto. It has already been pointed out that these Receivers are 15-20 years old and in my opinion a RX that old is not worth more than around £200 ie Euro 300 approx, in fact £100 would be more than enough. The specification for the RX is good but AGE is against it !!! There are more high tech and advanced creatures about these days, with Digital filtering etc better suited for your job. 73 de Mal and definitely not in the Choir or a Gang nor being lead by the nose!! > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:44:39 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ddso8-0006sy-SJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:44:39 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Ddso8-0006rx-NY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:44:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DdsnX-0001r9-A4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:43:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DdsnW-0001r0-D5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:43:58 +0100 Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.74]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Ddsph-0001Ax-8C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 17:46:17 +0100 Received: (qmail 31429 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2005 16:43:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 02 Jun 2005 16:43:46 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c56792$580e3760$8d01a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@lwca.org References: Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:44:27 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Subject: LF: XES WOLF back on Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) WD2XES will be running in WOLF mode for the next two nights on 137.441 kHz, starting at 0000 UTC (local sunset is at 0019). John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:16:35 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DduF8-0001QA-LV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:16:35 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DduF8-0001Q0-FB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:16:34 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DduEI-00020H-L7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:15:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DduEH-000208-TU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:15:41 +0100 Received: from fh1022.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.32] helo=n064.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DduGS-0001Lf-KK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 02 Jun 2005 19:18:02 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.233.125) by n064.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 4282B6400005A13D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 2 Jun 2005 18:15:29 +0000 Message-ID: <000701c56744$a3702540$7de9fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <8E8D23D235D70840B6582917DF2789800240AE@temps153538.tms-ltd.com> Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 08:27:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: RE: RA1792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Reeves Paul" To: Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 8:34 AM Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: RA1792 Hi Paul I owned a 1772 alias 6772 USA VERSION a few yrs ago. At the time it was fairly state of the art but commercial receivers are not normally as sensitive as amateur radio receivers because they are meant to handle commercial high power signals and not weak radio amateur generated RF. Like I said I would buy one at a price, around £150 -200 is about right considering the age. I have seen some nice comparable receivers at rallies this past couple of years going for about £200 or less and I can't say they were in big demand. The average radio amateur wants a compact transceiver and not an item that takes a forklift truck to move it about. Amongst several rx's and tranceivers and selective volt meters that I own, I have a Hagenuk RX that is specified to work down to 10 khz and is extremely sensitive, it needs no preamps or other devices and only cost about £150 at a rally a few yrs ago. 73 de Mal 73 de Mal/G3KEV Hi Mal, I'm not exactly the most active person on this group, being rx only at this stage (and very shaky cw!), but I cannot resist joining in on this topic. The RA1772/1792 receivers are arguably considerably superior to almost all amateur grade receive systems available today, despite their age. Sure, they need some care but the components are easily available, unlike the SMT/VLSI based amateur gear. The RF performance in terms of dynamic range is comparable (I concede improvements in technology, but these have only managed to equal 30 yr old designs). The oscillator phase noise and stability is certainly better than more recent gear and the filtering is also better - and if the optional phase corrected filters were fitted then one of the DSP plus points goes away. The ergonomics are definitely superior but, ok, you do need a 19" rack! DSP filtering in the recent amateur gear is, in any case, implemented at a very low IF (barely above audio) and equivalent filtering, or, better, more sophisticated processing (correlation, error detection etc) could easily be added outboard of one of the older receivers. Since this processing would end up as something like WOLF, ARGO, etc I don't expect you to quite agree with me ;-) I would certainly like these rxs to be 300 euro (or less) but they are still MUCH less than the amateur 'equivalent'and, I think, good value. 73s Paul g8gja -----Original Message----- From: hamilton mal [mailto:g3kev.ham@virgin.net] Sent: 01 June 2005 06:27 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: RA1792 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 8:16 PM Subject: LF: RE: RA1792 > hamilton mal wrote: > > >Alberto I know you are waiting for my opinion about this RX. I would not buy > >this old technology with degraded components at the prices that suppliers > >are asking both in the UK and other parts of EU. > >The price for such a Rx would be about 300 Euro max and even then its a risk > >from the maintainence end. > >The price that dealers in the UK are quoting for this old heap would buy you > >a nice new dedicated T/RCVR for the amateur bands and more than stable for > >data modes for use on LF and a quarter the size. > >Think about it!!!!!! > >de Mal/G3KEV > > > Hello Mal, > > a voice outside the choir ! It's always interesting to hear opinions > dissenting from those of the others, as they can convey new information. > So what you are suggesting to me is to negotiate the price down to about > one half of what has been requested... I am sure to be able to > obtain a price reduction, as, knowing who is the seller, his first word > rarely is his last. But 50% discount seems a bit too much... > I don't need a transceiver, I have already a Kenwood TS-950SDX which I > like a lot. What I am in search of, is a dedicated receiver > for my intended useage. Will keep im mind your opinion, thanks for it. > > 73 Alberto I2PHD Hi Alberto. It has already been pointed out that these Receivers are 15-20 years old and in my opinion a RX that old is not worth more than around £200 ie Euro 300 approx, in fact £100 would be more than enough. The specification for the RX is good but AGE is against it !!! There are more high tech and advanced creatures about these days, with Digital filtering etc better suited for your job. 73 de Mal and definitely not in the Choir or a Gang nor being lead by the nose!! > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 05:27:04 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1De3lv-0007tc-1s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 05:27:04 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1De3lu-0007tS-Q8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 05:27:03 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1De3lG-0002gm-1n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 05:26:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1De3lF-0002gd-9l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 05:26:21 +0100 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.202.64]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1De3oO-0006jU-0B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 05:29:37 +0100 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005060304261101600rhv50e>; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 04:26:11 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01c567f4$c51e36e0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: "Brian Rogerson" Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 00:29:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: LF: TA JUN02/03 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------070009000804090406000908" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070009000804090406000908 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
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Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 14:55:44 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DeCeG-00057h-Cq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 14:55:44 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DeCeG-00057a-9J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 14:55:44 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DeCdZ-0003Mt-4H for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 14:55:01 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DeCdY-0003Mk-IB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 14:55:00 +0100 Received: from smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.138]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DeCdX-0001vw-Cf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 14:55:00 +0100 Received: (qmail 43407 invoked from network); 3 Jun 2005 13:54:54 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.109.162 with login) by smtp801.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Jun 2005 13:54:53 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c56843$cf3b6180$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 14:48:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: LF: MSF futures Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi all, the following was received in an NPL Time & Frequency Newsletter recently. -------------------------------- The Future of the MSF Radio Time Signal The MSF standard-frequency and time signal is one of the most widely used sources of time in the UK. It is transmitted on behalf of the NPL by BT plc from its Rugby Radio Station on a frequency of 60kHz The current contract to broadcast the signal finishes at the end of March 2007, and recently the Department of Trade and Industry has commissioned studies to consider the longer-term future of the signal. As a result of this work, DTI has given the go-ahead for NPL to procure the MSF broadcast for a further 10 years. It is anticipated that there will be no interuption to the MSF service, whatever the outcome of the contract negotiations. It is possible that MSF operation will need to be tranferred to another site within the UK, but if that proves to be the case, a key aim will be to ensure that the reception of the signal is the same or better than it is at present over the whole of the UK. ----------------------------------------------- Cheers de Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 21:35:11 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DeIsl-0007K9-LK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 21:35:11 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DeIsl-0007Ju-Fw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 21:35:07 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DeIrj-0003mk-OL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 21:34:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DeIrj-0003mb-9Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 21:34:03 +0100 Received: from gemini.smart.net ([66.225.112.69]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DeIuN-0004D4-9i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 03 Jun 2005 21:36:49 +0100 Received: from HOST (balt-69-72-22-216.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net [69.72.22.216]) by gemini.smart.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id QAA23999 for ; Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:34:03 -0400 Message-ID: <000501c5687b$90c9fd70$0100a8c0@HOST> From: "chastant" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801c56792$580e3760$8d01a8c0@JKA> Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 16:33:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Re: XES WOLF back on Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is sure no surprise but thought I'd put a lil sample from last nite This Wolf GUI sure makes it nice to check 2005-06-02 23:20:08 >WOLF -r 8000 -f 441 -t 1.0 -d 18 -w 0.0000 t: 24 f: 0.172 a:-0.6 dp: 54.3 ci: 5 cj:413 WD2XES...FN42CH - t: 48 f: 0.172 a:-0.7 dp: 54.4 ci: 5 cj:413 WD2XES...FN42CH - t: 96 f: 0.172 a:-0.7 dp: 55.9 ci: 5 cj:413 WD2XES...FN42CH - t: 192 f: 0.176 pm:4.622 jm:134 q: 6.4 6.0 WD2XES...FN42CH - t: 288 f: 0.176 pm:9.672 jm:134 q: 8.9 9.3 WD2XES...FN42CH - t: 384 f: 0.176 pm:14.14 jm:134 q: 11.1 11.3 WD2XES...FN42CH - t: 480 f: 0.176 pm:18.16 jm:133 q: 12.1 12.1 WD2XES...FN42CH - t: 576 f: 0.176 pm:23.88 jm:133 q: 13.2 13.4 WD2XES...FN42CH - t: 672 f: 0.176 pm:30.27 jm:133 q: 13.8 13.9 WD2XES...FN42CH - de Lloyd W3NF ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:44 PM Subject: LF: XES WOLF back on > WD2XES will be running in WOLF mode for the next two nights on 137.441 > kHz, > starting at 0000 UTC (local sunset is at 0019). > > John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES > FN42ch > WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 01:14:10 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DeMIj-00075x-Ry for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 01:14:10 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore18.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DeMIj-00075n-Nu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 01:14:09 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DeMIC-00042k-3A for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 01:13:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DeMIB-00042b-8U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 01:13:35 +0100 Received: from smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.194]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DeMLi-0007lm-Ga for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 04 Jun 2005 01:17:16 +0100 Received: (qmail 28857 invoked from network); 4 Jun 2005 00:13:28 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.194) with ESMTP; 04 Jun 2005 00:13:28 -0000 Message-ID: <001c01c56891$eab675a0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000801c56792$580e3760$8d01a8c0@JKA> <000501c5687b$90c9fd70$0100a8c0@HOST> Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 00:13:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: LF: Re: Re: XES WOLF back on Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Lloyd, That's a good report for what was a noisy night in your area. Tnx. XES back on tonight with WOLF on 137.441. John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 02:07:55 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DejcE-0003qA-Sk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 02:07:55 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DejcE-0003pe-On for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 02:07:50 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dejb4-0005f5-Od for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 02:06:38 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dejb4-0005ew-4z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 02:06:38 +0100 Received: from outbound05.telus.net ([199.185.220.224] helo=priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Deje9-0006aQ-Bl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 02:09:51 +0100 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050605010623.CAPJ20523.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Sat, 4 Jun 2005 19:06:23 -0600 Message-ID: <06fe01c5696b$067b7ae0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:08:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: 135.93KHz station stops modulation... Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Just noticed that the unknown station believed to originate in California has stopped modulation and has a steady carrier on ~135.93KHz.
 
73 Scott
 
Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL'  in CN89lg at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 09:28:19 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DeqUV-0000Xf-Ci for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 09:28:19 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DeqUV-0000XY-8Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 09:28:19 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DeqTx-0007ZI-RY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 09:27:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DeqTx-0007Z9-4T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 09:27:45 +0100 Received: from fh1024.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.34] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DeqXA-00053w-V5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 09:31:06 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.228.17) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 4291A94A004B81AB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 08:27:41 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c5692a$765741a0$11e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 18:25:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: Ra 1792 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
I had a conversation recently with a person that owns a ra 1792. His is one of the earlier models and has Collins mechanical filters, whereas the later models had xtal filters. He thinks the earlier models were better because of the Collins filters.
This info might be of interest to those interested in these receivers. He indicated that the price of these receivers would not be more than £400.
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 12:10:41 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Det1c-0000Dq-LD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 12:10:41 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Det1c-0000Df-G1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 12:10:40 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Det0y-0007mr-H7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 12:10:00 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Det0x-0007md-JS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 12:09:59 +0100 Received: from smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.140]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Det0w-0003Wt-HT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 12:09:59 +0100 Received: (qmail 45319 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 11:09:53 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.221.28 with login) by smtp803.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 11:09:52 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c569bf$1a400380$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 12:02:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: LF: 136 quiet? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi all, it does seem that 136 is quiet at the moment. Some of this is undoubtedly due to the increased static noise levels discouraging listening. However my series of graphs of data from Brian CT1DRP suggest that, as we have moved down the solar cycle and the general Solar X-ray background level has declined, daytime skywave signals at distances of over 100km have decreased in strength. This decrease is anything up to 10dB. Best conditions for daytime qsos are now probably a day or two after a geomagnetic disturbance (Monday or Tuesday this week) when conditions will probably be back to "average" for a while. As before the best times are at around mid-day at the middle of the path. Cheers de Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:30:06 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DeuGT-0003Ln-N4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:30:06 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DeuGT-0003Lb-Jg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:30:05 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DeuFx-0007vs-A5 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:29:33 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DeuFw-0007vj-Qw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:29:32 +0100 Received: from mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.49]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DeuFv-0003bu-KF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:29:32 +0100 Received: from aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050605122925.ERRT26596.mta09-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:29:25 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050605122924.WYFG29707.aamta11-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 13:29:24 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 13:29:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <42A2FE2B.13997.194AA82@localhost> In-reply-to: <000e01c569bf$1a400380$6507a8c0@Main> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: LF: 136 quiet? Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) > ............... daytime skywave signals at > distances of over 100km have decreased in strength. > G3NYK Should that have been 1000km? Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:14:48 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Deuxj-0005JB-Dm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:14:47 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Deuxj-0005J2-9m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:14:47 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DeuxR-00083H-N1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:14:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DeuxR-000838-8q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:14:29 +0100 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dev1j-00019A-Gw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:18:56 +0100 Received: (qmail 52609 invoked from network); 5 Jun 2005 13:14:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.133.33 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 13:14:21 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c569d0$8014fba0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <42A2FE2B.13997.194AA82@localhost> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 14:14:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: Re: LF: 136 quiet? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Yup well spotted........careless typing.......I dont think you could hear any skywave at 100km it would all be absorbed. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: 05 June 2005 13:29 Subject: Re: LF: 136 quiet? > > ............... daytime skywave signals at > > distances of over 100km have decreased in strength. > > G3NYK > > Should that have been 1000km? > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:57:30 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Devd3-00014q-9S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:57:30 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Devd3-00014k-5b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:57:29 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Devcg-0008An-Cx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:57:06 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Devcf-0008Ae-SM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:57:05 +0100 Received: from rs2.bips.noicomnet.it ([194.153.208.22]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Devce-0003kp-S8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 14:57:05 +0100 Received: from rs2.bips.noicomnet.it (rs2.bips.noicomnet.it [194.153.208.22]) by rs2.bips.noicomnet.it (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j55DuuX02192 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 15:56:56 +0200 Received: from ideq200s.spin-it.com (net-205-204.noicomnet.it [194.153.205.204]) by rs2.bips.noicomnet.it (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j55Dutq02163 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 15:56:55 +0200 Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20050605154219.04e6bbb0@mbox.spin-it.com> X-Sender: IK1ODO@mbox.spin-it.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 15:56:43 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Marco Bruno In-Reply-To: <000c01c5692a$765741a0$11e4fc3e@l8p8y6> References: <000c01c5692a$765741a0$11e4fc3e@l8p8y6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Ra 1792 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit At 19.25 04/06/2005, Mal wrote:
Hi All
I had a conversation recently with a person that owns a ra 1792. His is one of the earlier models and has Collins mechanical filters, whereas the later models had xtal filters. He thinks the earlier models were better because of the Collins filters.
This info might be of interest to those interested in these receivers. He indicated that the price of these receivers would not be more than £400.
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 

AFAIK no particular differencies between Collins mechanical and ITT or STC xtal filters, except that the Collins ones identify older radios. Form factor and IF leakage are very similar; Collins filters tend to degrade 'cause of elastomeric supports of the nickel magnetostrictive wire  decompose with time, and xtal filters degrade showing different ageing of the various crystals inside. So they alter the filter shape. But those are extemes, the great majority of 455 kHz IF filters that I found are (very) fine.

My radio has a (quite rare) 100 Hz xtal filter centered at 455 kHz in BW position 5. I always used it to decode narrow band emissions, and programmed other filter/BFO settings to do band watching in various modes. Very useful... that way in LF one seldom uses the tuning know, tuning beeing done by FFT setting and/or radio memory recall. Try doing that with a commercial radio with analog BFO and non locked oscillators... a matter of taste, of course :-)

73 de Marco IK1ODO
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:14:51 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dewpu-0003rk-TW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:14:51 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dewpu-0003re-OR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:14:50 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DewpO-0008Kp-7q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:14:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DewpM-0008Kg-TF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:14:16 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dewth-0001Iu-4F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:18:46 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A872D780E7 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 15:14:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ca28 [165.212.11.128] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Sun, 05 Jun 2005 15:14:04 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.128 IN dibene@usa.net ca28 X-USANET-MsgId: XID760JFePoe8950X01 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.46.163.106] by ca28 (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 833JFePoa0002M28; Sun, 05 Jun 2005 15:14:00 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.46.163.106 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <42A316CA.9020302@usa.net> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 17:14:18 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c5692a$765741a0$11e4fc3e@l8p8y6> <6.1.0.6.2.20050605154219.04e6bbb0@mbox.spin-it.com> In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20050605154219.04e6bbb0@mbox.spin-it.com> Z-USANET-MsgId: XID833JFePoB0002X28 Subject: LF: Re: Ra 1792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Gentlemen, I thank you again for your advices and suggestions, but now this subject has become a moot point (for me at least). A phone call informed me that the radio has been sold to another person, more quick than me in taking a decision (and probably more willing to take the risks of a wrong buy) ..... So the RA1792 is no more an option for me. The same phone call informed me that a Rohde & Schwarz EK56 (or EK-056 ?) is available. Sorry to exploit again your kindness, but... does anybody know how good this radio is ? I have been unable to discover whether it uses a synthesizer for the LO, or just a VFO, in which case it would be unsuitable for high stability work. Any information is welcome, thanks. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 13:08:41 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DfGPE-0004fQ-FI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 13:08:41 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DfGPE-0004fF-BU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 13:08:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DfGO1-0002FI-TJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 13:07:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DfGO0-0002F9-Lz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 13:07:20 +0100 Received: from bay102-f11.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.21] helo=hotmail.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DfGSj-0002nn-CQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 13:12:16 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 6 Jun 2005 05:07:09 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.205 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 12:07:09 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.205] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 04:07:09 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 Jun 2005 12:07:09.0991 (UTC) FILETIME=[4413CB70:01C56A90] Subject: LF: MARIS on LF? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Ive been following the antennae (dipole and monopole) deploy issues on the MARS Explorer with interest, more to do with the frequency range for the sound profiling radar to be used given they are looking to get data back from a number of Kms beneath Mars surface. But I spotted that they will/may try to use the sounder mainly in the low Mhz range possibly down to 100Khz and was more interested in the matching of the "dipole" at this sort of frequency given past issues with short dipoles close to earth/"earth" at LF and would be interested in the matching circuit/efficiency more for pure physics than for practical apps in free space. Anyway I offer the following: http://www.marsis.com/index.php3?page=instrument_description.php3 for interest Laurence KL1X em26aq From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:41:06 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DfJiq-0000Z4-BQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:41:06 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DfJip-0000X6-OI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:41:04 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DfJfc-0002cn-V3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:37:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DfJfb-0002ce-5A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:37:43 +0100 Received: from m11.lax.untd.com ([64.136.30.74]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DfJjE-0007ww-3y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:41:34 +0100 Received: from m11.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m11.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBLJ5NCAHN9W2J for (sender ); Mon, 6 Jun 2005 08:36:34 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewIBT37658SqKaeD9VjF2uQNIBJkQ7TPZ+A== Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m11.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KUTTQ892; Mon, 06 Jun 2005 08:35:39 PDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 11:35:36 -0400 Message-ID: <20050606.113536.3216.2.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-23 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com X-ContentStamp: 7:3:4270438482 X-MAIL-INFO: 539d7134c17179c10501c180a1f5d0d1314530304538f419388155d1b5ed297db5c19038792538e574c1853409a09dd5a1a1 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m11.lax.untd.com|riese-k3djc@juno.com Subject: Re: LF: MARIS on LF? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) On Mon, 06 Jun 2005 04:07:09 -0800 "Laurence KL1X" writes: > Ive been following the antennae (dipole and monopole) deploy issues > on the > MARS Explorer with interest, > interest > > Laurence KL1X > em26aq > Been quite an amazing year on Mars I visit the site every day to see what the latest pictures are. on Sprit is it well past 5X the expected life of the Rover,,, and its still going strong Bob K3DJC http://marsrovers.nasa.gov/home/index.html > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:26:56 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DfZQD-0003DV-DE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:26:56 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DfZQD-0003DN-9S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:26:53 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DfZPc-0004G3-Od for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:26:16 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DfZPc-0004Fu-Bg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:26:16 +0100 Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.159]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DfZPZ-0008Hs-Bi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:26:16 +0100 Received: from mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050607082604.NWXE2892.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:26:04 +1200 Received: from mcalevey ([219.88.21.25]) by mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050607082603.XQEL4242.mta1-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:26:03 +1200 Message-ID: <000501c56b3a$8b210780$191558db@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <06fe01c5696b$067b7ae0$0201a8c0@private.network> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:25:22 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: LF: Re: 135.93KHz station stops modulation... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) >Just noticed that the unknown station believed to originate in California has stopped modulation and >has a steady carrier on ~135.93KHz. >73 Scott Scott, do you have an accurate frequency for their carrier? For many years we used to hear a Californian RTTY station near 136 kHz. It fell silent some years back and I assumed it was dismantled. Tonight I see carriers on -5 and +45 Hz relative to 135.93kHz. There is also a strongly audible 50Hz shift RTTY signal centred on 135.95 kHz tonight. I seem to remember there was a Hawaiian one near 146.0 in those days too. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:59:31 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DfZvn-0001wH-9y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:59:31 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DfZvn-0001w5-1h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:59:31 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DfZvV-0004Lg-6E for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:59:13 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DfZvU-0004LX-M2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:59:12 +0100 Received: from olympus.pncl.co.uk ([195.224.180.233] helo=mailhost-av.pncl.co.uk) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DfZvS-0008M7-OA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:59:12 +0100 Received: from AUG2004 ([84.12.58.101]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailhost-av.pncl.co.uk (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j578x1f4019622 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:59:01 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01c56b3f$24548e00$2101a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:58:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Pinnacle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Pinnacle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: blanch@pncl.co.uk Subject: LF: Strange signal Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
For some months I've been hearing what sounds at first like very slow Morse on 137.203. It's there 24/7 but it isn't Morse,
it's just random long and short dashes.  Looks like this on Spectran ("800" is 137.203.000, 20 minute span):
 
 
 
It's quite strong but varies day/night.  Has anyone else heard it?
Is it another of the power-line funnies Jim investigated years ago?
My loop's out of action at the moment so can't DF on it.
 
BTW, Loran Rugby is due to be on-air within the next 14 days!!!
 
Walter G3JKV.
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:09:18 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dfb1J-0003F5-Du for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:09:18 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dfb1J-0003Es-A9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:09:17 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dfb0v-0004UW-8p for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:08:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dfb0u-0004UN-Qx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:08:52 +0100 Received: from mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.119]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dfb4t-0001l1-Jt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:13:01 +0100 Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050607100837.EGJL1901.mta208-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:08:37 +1200 Received: from mcalevey ([210.55.81.62]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050607100836.NKPC8463.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:08:36 +1200 Message-ID: <000501c56b48$de65d480$3e5137d2@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: "rsgb" References: <06fe01c5696b$067b7ae0$0201a8c0@private.network> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:08:34 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Subject: LF: Re: 135.93KHz station stops modulation... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) >Tonight I see carriers on -5 and +45 >Hz relative to 135.93kHz. There is also a strongly audible 50Hz shift RTTY >signal centred on 135.95 kHz tonight. Whoops, that's all just the one RTTY signal of course; sounds like about 50 baud, about strength 7. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:24:01 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DfbFX-0002JJ-I1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:24:01 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DfbFX-0002Ik-2b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:23:59 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DfbFI-0004ZT-Bs for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:23:44 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DfbFH-0004ZK-Ob for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:23:43 +0100 Received: from olympus.pncl.co.uk ([195.224.180.233] helo=mailhost-av.pncl.co.uk) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DfbFE-0008VO-ET for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:23:43 +0100 Received: from AUG2004 ([84.12.58.101]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailhost-av.pncl.co.uk (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j57ANUZg020626 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:23:30 +0100 Message-ID: <001801c56b4a$f1d90210$2101a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:23:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Pinnacle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Pinnacle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: blanch@pncl.co.uk Subject: LF: Loran-C Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------050704030007090409090401" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050704030007090409090401 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Here's the Notice to Mariners re UK Loran.
 
Walter G3JKV.
 
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AAAAAABGGAAAAE1pY3Jvc29mdCBXb3JkIERvY3VtZW50AAoAAABNU1dvcmREb2MAEAAAAFdv cmQuRG9jdW1lbnQuOAD0ObJxAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAA== --------------050704030007090409090401-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:28:14 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DfcFh-0005hA-Jp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:28:13 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DfcFh-0005gm-Fl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:28:13 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DfcFH-0004hT-UZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:27:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DfcFH-0004hK-Ep for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:27:47 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay1.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DfcJI-0001wW-Do for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 12:31:57 +0100 Received: (qmail 53446 invoked from network); 7 Jun 2005 11:27:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.226.155 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Jun 2005 11:27:39 -0000 Message-ID: <000701c56b53$e4772bc0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000a01c56b3f$24548e00$2101a8c0@AUG2004> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 12:25:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: LF: Re: Strange signal Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Walter, there is nothing visible on my Spectran screen this morning and I dont remember anything there (137.203 ish )last night, so I am guessing that is probably local to you. I do occasionally get a continuous stable line which I believe is a local computer, but I have not located it yet. The recent Loran announcement said "on or around 1st June" for Rugby start-up....but nothing seen yet. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Blanchard" To: Sent: 07 June 2005 09:58 Subject: LF: Strange signal For some months I've been hearing what sounds at first like very slow Morse on 137.203. It's there 24/7 but it isn't Morse, it's just random long and short dashes. Looks like this on Spectran ("800" is 137.203.000, 20 minute span): It's quite strong but varies day/night. Has anyone else heard it? Is it another of the power-line funnies Jim investigated years ago? My loop's out of action at the moment so can't DF on it. BTW, Loran Rugby is due to be on-air within the next 14 days!!! Walter G3JKV. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:11:02 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dfq22-0002to-5U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:11:02 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dfq22-0002td-1X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:11:02 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dfq0k-0005Vh-GJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:09:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dfq0j-0005VY-IT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:09:41 +0100 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240] helo=priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dfq4y-0003js-GH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:14:05 +0100 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050608020928.XKAJ10327.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:09:28 -0600 Message-ID: <01c601c56bcf$557a2e00$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <06fe01c5696b$067b7ae0$0201a8c0@private.network> <000501c56b3a$8b210780$191558db@mcalevey> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:11:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 135.93KHz station stops modulation... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Mike you got it right on the money! Your offsets are correct within the tolerance of my TS-440S' alignment... Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "McAlevey" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 1:25 AM Subject: LF: Re: 135.93KHz station stops modulation... > > >Just noticed that the unknown station believed to originate in California > has stopped modulation and >has a steady carrier on ~135.93KHz. > > >73 Scott > > Scott, > > do you have an accurate frequency for their carrier? For many years we used > to hear a Californian RTTY station near 136 kHz. It fell silent some years > back and I assumed it was dismantled. Tonight I see carriers on -5 and +45 > Hz relative to 135.93kHz. There is also a strongly audible 50Hz shift RTTY > signal centred on 135.95 kHz tonight. > > I seem to remember there was a Hawaiian one near 146.0 in those days too. > > Mike ZL4OL > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:12:21 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dfq3I-0001eL-Ur for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:12:21 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dfq3I-0001eD-RW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:12:20 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dfq2z-0005Wq-4d for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:12:01 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dfq2y-0005Wg-NG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:12:00 +0100 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240] helo=priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dfq2x-0001jH-A6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 03:12:00 +0100 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050608021152.XMZT10327.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:11:52 -0600 Message-ID: <01e001c56bcf$ab48bb80$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <06fe01c5696b$067b7ae0$0201a8c0@private.network> <000501c56b48$de65d480$3e5137d2@mcalevey> Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:13:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: Re: 135.93KHz station stops modulation... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Better get a Spectrum Lab plot going :-) Sounds like we may have a trans-pacific prop beacon! BTW I see skyway interference on the signal at night and a fairly stable ground wave level during the day... Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "McAlevey" To: "rsgb" Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 3:08 AM Subject: LF: Re: 135.93KHz station stops modulation... > >Tonight I see carriers on -5 and +45 > >Hz relative to 135.93kHz. There is also a strongly audible 50Hz shift RTTY > >signal centred on 135.95 kHz tonight. > > Whoops, that's all just the one RTTY signal of course; sounds like about 50 > baud, about strength 7. > > Mike ZL4OL > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 04:36:13 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DfrMT-0001UV-Eo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 04:36:13 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DfrMT-0001UE-Ag for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 04:36:13 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DfrLt-0005nC-Po for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 04:35:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DfrLt-0005n3-2w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 04:35:37 +0100 Received: from vms048pub.verizon.net ([206.46.252.48]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DfrQ9-000404-L8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 04:40:02 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.2] ([138.88.43.79]) by vms048.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2 HotFix 0.04 (built Dec 24 2004)) with ESMTPA id <0IHQ00GXHXZ9BCQ3@vms048.mailsrvcs.net> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 07 Jun 2005 22:35:34 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:35:32 -0400 From: Andre Kesteloot To: rsgb_lf_group Message-id: <42A66784.7080100@verizon.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax;nscd1) Subject: LF: test msg only - no need to read Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit test at 2335H EST n Tuesday 7 June 2005.
André N4ICK
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 05:32:01 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DfsES-00041U-4g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 05:32:01 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DfsES-00041O-17 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 05:32:00 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DfsE3-0005uQ-D8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 05:31:35 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DfsE2-0005uH-Vb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 05:31:35 +0100 Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DfsE1-000269-KW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 08 Jun 2005 05:31:34 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j584UwqF031869 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 23:30:58 -0500 Message-ID: <42A674A5.5020208@genesiswireless.us> Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:31:33 -0500 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <42A66784.7080100@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <42A66784.7080100@verizon.net> X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: we0h@genesiswireless.us Subject: Re: LF: test msg only - no need to read Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit The server gods let you back in.
-- 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI

Andre Kesteloot wrote:
test at 2335H EST n Tuesday 7 June 2005.
André N4ICK
 





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>BTW I see skyway interference on the signal at night and a fairly stable
>ground wave  level during the day...

Scott,

I will do some daylight searches for that signal. Last time I heard it was
pre-Argo days so have never looked for it in the daytime. It's S9 tonight.

Mike ZL4OL



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XDW is on 137.4Khz on Jason "Normal" - tell me if Im qrming and Ill shift... 
100W output On 0100Z
Cheers - and its getting rather warm...

Laurence
em26aq
oklahoma




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WE0H Mike wrote:



  
  
The server gods let you back in.

  
-- 
Mike
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Andre Kesteloot wrote:

  

    
    
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7 June 2005.

André N4ICK

    

  



Mike, 

yes, incredible, the gods allowed me back in the loop, thanks to the
incantations and tenacity of the Blacksheep Web Master, and the support
of John G3WKL.

Thanks to all 



André N4ICK



PS in fact now I get  _two_   copies of every RSGB msg  ... :-)  (but
two is much better than none).






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Another update...


 


The signal has stopped modulating again however, it 
is sending a carrier on 135.975ish (the other frequency...)


 


73 Scott


 


Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL'  in 
CN89lg at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio


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We cant seem to keep any of the beacons on because of overnight/daytime 
storms - off for the moment.

Laurence
kl1x/5 em26aq

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>XDW is on 137.4Khz on Jason "Normal" - tell me if Im qrming and Ill 
>shift... 100W output On 0100Z
>Cheers - and its getting rather warm...
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Seems the station is switching back and form 
manually every few minutes between the mark/space frequencies...


 


Started a new spectrum lab plot looking at 
both and the noise floor...


 


Scott


 


 



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  
  
  
Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 10:10 
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Subject: LF: 135.93 signal...

  


  
Another update...

  
 

  
The signal has stopped modulating again however, 
  it is sending a carrier on 135.975ish (the other frequency...)

  
 

  
73 Scott

  
 

  
Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL'  in 
  CN89lg at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio


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From: "Howard Aspinall" 
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This might be just a bit off the beaten track for the reflector, despite being LF orientated,
but I wonder if anyone has any useful observations or information they might pass on.

Whilst tracking down some noise interference problems, I discovered sizeable amounts
of wideband RF between 75 and 130 KHz. This manifests itself as
 "smooth" noise. It extends outside these frequency parameters well into long/medium 
waveband, and is radiating from the overhead BT telephone drop line. Broadband 
internet RF seems the most likely culprit (there being a null between 130 and 140 KHz), 
but we do not have any broadband facility here.

An HP spectrum analyser close coupled to the line (common mode) shows this signal
level to reach at least 5 mV around 100 KHz.

 Tests on BT lines in other areas where broadband is also not installed show no RF 
present other than broadcast stations etc.

 Can anyone say if such common mode RF levels on BT lines can be typical, or might be 
expected where no broadband facilities are connected? Are levels I am finding here 
regarded as acceptable? And does anyone know of any regulations, codes of practice 
or technical standards on the subject?

Howard   G3RXH









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Hi Howard,

In response I can only say that I am Tiscali Broadband on a BT line whilst
activly receiving signals mainly on 136KHz but often tuning 30 KHZ up to 500
KHz & I have not come accross anything like you have described. I can only
asume that the problem you have there is not generated by broadband signals
on BT lines.

I hope this is of some help.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Howard Aspinall
Sent: 10 June 2005 11:27
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Unwanted LF radiation


This might be just a bit off the beaten track for the reflector, despite
being LF orientated,
but I wonder if anyone has any useful observations or information they might
pass on.

Whilst tracking down some noise interference problems, I discovered sizeable
amounts
of wideband RF between 75 and 130 KHz. This manifests itself as
 "smooth" noise. It extends outside these frequency parameters well into
long/medium
waveband, and is radiating from the overhead BT telephone drop line.
Broadband
internet RF seems the most likely culprit (there being a null between 130
and 140 KHz),
but we do not have any broadband facility here.

An HP spectrum analyser close coupled to the line (common mode) shows this
signal
level to reach at least 5 mV around 100 KHz.

 Tests on BT lines in other areas where broadband is also not installed show
no RF
present other than broadcast stations etc.

 Can anyone say if such common mode RF levels on BT lines can be typical, or
might be
expected where no broadband facilities are connected? Are levels I am
finding here
regarded as acceptable? And does anyone know of any regulations, codes of
practice
or technical standards on the subject?

Howard   G3RXH










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Hi Howard, although an ex BT man I dont reckon to know anything about
telephones really !! One thought occurs to me that in the past there have
been problems due to faulty devices in terminals (instruments) radiating
noise and / or oscillations from the lines.

Assuming it is your own drop that is a problem, can you temporarily
disconnect all equipment from your master socket, and then reinstall one at
a time. I am thinking of telephone instrument problems rather than data
units.

If that is not the problem the other area I have found with wideband noise
are fluorescent light particularly when the starter is getting a bit
old.....some still strike after the tube is lit. This of course will not
result in the noise being radiated by the drop.

There is of course a BIG signal located at 100kHz which might be "showing
through the noise" ....Loran-C. There were suggestions that BT would be
starting up an experimental transmission this month but I have seen no signs
of this yet, and I guess you are about as far north in Skipton as I am to
the south east  (Ipswich) of Rugby..... so we should see similar strengths.

It might be easier to locate if there were some recognisable "lines", most
noises I see are eithe 100Hz or 50Hz somewhere and be traced to a number of
known causes. I find ARGO very useful for tracking these using the RX audio.
Both John G4GVC and Peter G3LDO have reported these kinds of noises before,
but with no definitive source found.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Howard Aspinall" 
To: 
Sent: 10 June 2005 11:27
Subject: LF: Unwanted LF radiation


> This might be just a bit off the beaten track for the reflector, despite
being LF orientated,
> but I wonder if anyone has any useful observations or information they
might pass on.
>
> Whilst tracking down some noise interference problems, I discovered
sizeable amounts
> of wideband RF between 75 and 130 KHz. This manifests itself as
>  "smooth" noise. It extends outside these frequency parameters well into
long/medium
> waveband, and is radiating from the overhead BT telephone drop line.
Broadband
> internet RF seems the most likely culprit (there being a null between 130
and 140 KHz),
> but we do not have any broadband facility here.
>
> An HP spectrum analyser close coupled to the line (common mode) shows this
signal
> level to reach at least 5 mV around 100 KHz.
>
>  Tests on BT lines in other areas where broadband is also not installed
show no RF
> present other than broadcast stations etc.
>
>  Can anyone say if such common mode RF levels on BT lines can be typical,
or might be
> expected where no broadband facilities are connected? Are levels I am
finding here
> regarded as acceptable? And does anyone know of any regulations, codes of
practice
> or technical standards on the subject?
>
> Howard   G3RXH
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>



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Being another Ex BT man (!) and having wandered thru the streets tracking 
down a) pirate radio stations but less interesting and more often b) faulty 
switchmode PSU's Im wondering whether you have a waterpumping station 
nearby, say within a mile . -

Some of these have very nasty motor phase controllers that are appauling and 
had a history of LF and in some case HF interference over a wide area often 
conducted by telephone and power lines. Ive seen peaks in the 100Khz and 
3Mhz regions and the noiz can be smooth or raspy, intermittent or near 
continuous.

Laurence



>From: "Alan Melia" 
>Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>To: 
>Subject: LF: Re: Unwanted LF radiation
>Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 15:19:09 +0100
>
>Hi Howard, although an ex BT man I dont reckon to know anything about
>telephones really !! One thought occurs to me that in the past there have
>been problems due to faulty devices in terminals (instruments) radiating
>noise and / or oscillations from the lines.
>
>Assuming it is your own drop that is a problem, can you temporarily
>disconnect all equipment from your master socket, and then reinstall one at
>a time. I am thinking of telephone instrument problems rather than data
>units.
>
>If that is not the problem the other area I have found with wideband noise
>are fluorescent light particularly when the starter is getting a bit
>old.....some still strike after the tube is lit. This of course will not
>result in the noise being radiated by the drop.
>
>There is of course a BIG signal located at 100kHz which might be "showing
>through the noise" ....Loran-C. There were suggestions that BT would be
>starting up an experimental transmission this month but I have seen no 
>signs
>of this yet, and I guess you are about as far north in Skipton as I am to
>the south east  (Ipswich) of Rugby..... so we should see similar strengths.
>
>It might be easier to locate if there were some recognisable "lines", most
>noises I see are eithe 100Hz or 50Hz somewhere and be traced to a number of
>known causes. I find ARGO very useful for tracking these using the RX 
>audio.
>Both John G4GVC and Peter G3LDO have reported these kinds of noises before,
>but with no definitive source found.
>
>Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Howard Aspinall" 
>To: 
>Sent: 10 June 2005 11:27
>Subject: LF: Unwanted LF radiation
>
>
> > This might be just a bit off the beaten track for the reflector, despite
>being LF orientated,
> > but I wonder if anyone has any useful observations or information they
>might pass on.
> >
> > Whilst tracking down some noise interference problems, I discovered
>sizeable amounts
> > of wideband RF between 75 and 130 KHz. This manifests itself as
> >  "smooth" noise. It extends outside these frequency parameters well into
>long/medium
> > waveband, and is radiating from the overhead BT telephone drop line.
>Broadband
> > internet RF seems the most likely culprit (there being a null between 
>130
>and 140 KHz),
> > but we do not have any broadband facility here.
> >
> > An HP spectrum analyser close coupled to the line (common mode) shows 
>this
>signal
> > level to reach at least 5 mV around 100 KHz.
> >
> >  Tests on BT lines in other areas where broadband is also not installed
>show no RF
> > present other than broadcast stations etc.
> >
> >  Can anyone say if such common mode RF levels on BT lines can be 
>typical,
>or might be
> > expected where no broadband facilities are connected? Are levels I am
>finding here
> > regarded as acceptable? And does anyone know of any regulations, codes 
>of
>practice
> > or technical standards on the subject?
> >
> > Howard   G3RXH
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>




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Alan Melia wrote:

>
>If that is not the problem the other area I have found with wideband noise
>are fluorescent light particularly when the starter is getting a bit
>old.....some still strike after the tube is lit. 
>
Another well-known member of the "Usual Suspects" is your ubiquitous 
light dimmer...

73
André N4ICK



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Dear LF Group,



after several weeks of rather marginal levels, CFH showed a strong peak between 02:00 and 03:00 last night (see capture). There were a couple of weak dashes on 137778.75 at the time as well. Perhaps coincidentally, the solar x-ray plot on http://www.sec.noaa.gov/today.html showed a prolonged period of enhancement.



On 100 kHz, I have looked out for the announced LORAN pulses from Rugby, but nothing seen yet.



73 and all the best



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Hi all yes Brian's plot shows a series of peaks from CFH. The reason it has
not been visible recently is not I believe due to propagation but more due
to inactivity. I also think the timing of the "blip" with a C3 flare is
probably totally coincidental as the radiation from the flare would only
affect the illuminated part of the ionosphere. Flare enhancement in daytime
follows closely the profile of the flux plot. Whilst the path from CFH to
Nurenberg passes quite a way further north than the path to Brian, it is
mostly in darkness I believe at that time.  The Dst index has been climbing
for a few days now and has been well into positive values over the last 36
hours. This indicates to me that there are few "spare" electrons in the
Equatorial Ring Current to be precipitated or exchanged with the ionosphere.
These hot electrons are the ones that cause night-time absorption at LF (
and aurora), so night-times paths should be good at the moment. The only
negative factor is the level of QRM from lightning storms at this time of
year in the northern hemishere.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

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> Dear LF Group,
>
> after several weeks of rather marginal levels, CFH showed a strong peak
> between 02:00 and 03:00 last night (see capture). There were a couple of
weak
> dashes on 137778.75 at the time as well. Perhaps coincidentally, the solar
x-ray
> plot on http://www.sec.noaa.gov/today.html showed a prolonged period of
> enhancement.
>
> On 100 kHz, I have looked out for the announced LORAN pulses from Rugby,
but
> nothing seen yet.
>
> 73 and all the best
>
> Markus, DF6NM
>


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From: "Howard Aspinall" 
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Thanks to all who've taken the trouble to reply.

I'm not aware of any water pumping stations in the area, and the LF signal
remains when everything is disconnected from the line other than the
analyser. DACS boxes are the subject of an interference debate off
reflector, but I'm not aware of any round here. I think they are
more prevalent in rural areas. The sound is quite unlike LORAN,
and I can't imagine LORAN giving me over 5 mV of signal (I hope not!).

It seem the LF signal on the BT line bears the hallmarks of 
broadband. The signal to 130 KHz is over 5 mV into 50 ohms on 
the analyser. There's the broadband "forbidden" gap showing between 
130 and 140 KHz, and the signal above 140 KHz, going into medium 
wave is weaker, as I'd expect. There's no discernable radiation above 
1.1 Mhz. Using Spectran, there are no 50 Hz or 100 Hz bars visible on 
the signal.

I accept what several people have said, that broadband shouldn't 
cause any problems, but what about a fault condition? Supposing
the "A" on a pair feeding broadband has an earth or high capacity
to earth. Whilst the broadband and speech facilities would function, 
wouldn't the corresponding line unbalance increase the crosstalk to 
other pairs in the same cable? BT say cross talk between pairs is 
likely and normal but crosstalk giving  more than 5 mV common 
mode signal on my BT line doesn't seem normal to me.

 The relevant technical standards for the BT system appear
to be contained or referred to in a document ND1602:2002/11, 
downloadable on the Web. It makes good bedtime reading!
Incidentally, I gather that the prohibition on connecting non
"BT Approved" domestic customer equipment to the BT system 
has now been scrapped.

Apologies for the "broad" bandwidth. Inevitably noise and local
interference will continue to affect us all, more and more. I guess 
these problems would be more managable if amateur radio could 
acquire "protected" status from Ofcom, rather than "free" 
licences!

Again, many thanks to one and all who responded.

Howard    G3RXH











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>  This indicates to me that there are few "spare" electrons in the
> Equatorial Ring Current to be precipitated or exchanged with the
ionosphere.
> These hot electrons are the ones that cause night-time absorption at LF (
> and aurora), so night-times paths should be good at the moment.

I also noted much improved LF condx here last night as well. The nightly
check of my E-W ndb prop indicators has been discouraging for the past 3
weeks but last night they were all there, with good signal strengths. Things
definitely took a turn for the better yesterday!

Steve / VE7SL



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Hi agn Steve thanks for that.  It's nice to know that my "wet finger" does
define the right direction for the wind sometimes !! Unfortunately I was
wrong about the "last fling" as we got a minor storm ( and a second C£
flare) late today which shoved the Kp up to 5 and the DST to -55 again. I
think this should not have effect before Monday night and will probably
quickly recover.
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve McDonald" 
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> >  This indicates to me that there are few "spare" electrons in the
> > Equatorial Ring Current to be precipitated or exchanged with the
> ionosphere.
> > These hot electrons are the ones that cause night-time absorption at LF
(
> > and aurora), so night-times paths should be good at the moment.
>
> I also noted much improved LF condx here last night as well. The nightly
> check of my E-W ndb prop indicators has been discouraging for the past 3
> weeks but last night they were all there, with good signal strengths.
Things
> definitely took a turn for the better yesterday!
>
> Steve / VE7SL
>
>



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>Unfortunately I was
> wrong about the "last fling" as we got a minor storm ( and a second C£
> flare) late today which shoved the Kp up to 5 and the DST to -55 again. I
> think this should not have effect before Monday night and will probably
> quickly recover.

Hope your magic finger is right...we are having a major aurora event at the
moment (2300Z) with strong sigs on 144MHz out as far east as North
Dakota..great fun!

73/ Steve



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Hi Michel,

Many thanks in advance - hope this will trigger some activity since it 
has been *very* quiet (except for the QRN) on 136 kHz recently. Will you 
occasionally try normal CW too ?

Keeping fingers crossed,
73, Wolfgang "Wolf" DL4YHF / DF0WD
  JO42FD
  200 m  wire,  8...10 m above ground, using poor counterpoise
  120 W TX output power


Michel F5WK schrieb:

>Hello All,
>
>  QRSS3 operation on 137700 is planned at AstroRadio 2005 for the first
>  time and the special call TM5AST will be used for the two days June 18/19
>  on LF, HF bands and VHF.
>
>  If weather condition permits, a kite lifted antenna will be used after
>  dark. Otherwise, we will setup a 10 meter Spiral top-loaded antenna.
>
>  First test signals are expected on friday 17 afternoon, if everything goes
>  well.
>
>  AstroRadio field locator : JN18BL
>
>
>  73 de Michel f5wk
>  
>



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AND to add to it all ! I am not an ex-BT man (but as Alan NYK will attest 
have worked within the system) It is not unknown for strange effects to be 
manifest at points where the copper network changes into other manifestations 
including different metallic elements as conductors and/or transformations to or 
from optical fibre etc.etc.


 


Try checking around street cabinets and large "manhole" 
covers emblazoned with the logos of telecoms and utility companies (don't 
just look at Bravo-Tango).


 


As the old maps used to say "there be dragons" !


 


Pat g4gvw


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Well the storms have stopped for a day or so here in OKie (thank goodness)

- XDW back on from 1200Z 137.775/6 dfcw + cw 12wpm - Ill slow the qrss later 
but Im trying out ON7YD's keyer using the tone facility for the first time 
and the linear amp at around 100W out.

Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq
Bartlesville OK
wd2xdw
status http://myweb.cableone.net/flow




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In the 1970s, copper was so expensive that aluminium was used in telephone cables.  Providing a reliable joint between the copper pair and an aluminium one was interesting.

John G3PAI

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 13/06/2005 at 19:55 G4gvw@aol.com wrote:

>AND to add to it all ! I am not an ex-BT man (but as Alan NYK will attest
> 
>have worked within the system) It is not unknown for strange effects to be
> 
>manifest at points where the copper network changes into other
>manifestations  
>including different metallic elements as conductors and/or transformations
>to or  
>from optical fibre etc.etc.
> 
>Try checking around street cabinets and large "manhole"  covers emblazoned 
>with the logos of telecoms and utility companies (don't  just look at 
>Bravo-Tango).
> 
>As the old maps used to say "there be dragons" !
> 
>Pat g4gvw






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Hello Wolf,

 I already had the opportunity to read your sigs QRSS3 and Hell Schreiber at
 your club station DF0WD, hope this time we can have a QSO (need to be lucky
 though as it wil be really the first time we fire the TX with an antenna!)

 And yes, we will try normal CW on the usual frequencies.

 73 de Michel f5wk

 
> Hi Michel,

> Many thanks in advance - hope this will trigger some activity since it 
> has been *very* quiet (except for the QRN) on 136 kHz recently. Will you 
> occasionally try normal CW too ?

> Keeping fingers crossed,
> 73, Wolfgang "Wolf" DL4YHF / DF0WD
>   JO42FD
>   200 m  wire,  8...10 m above ground, using poor counterpoise
>   120 W TX output power


> Michel F5WK schrieb:

>>Hello All,
>>
>>  QRSS3 operation on 137700 is planned at AstroRadio 2005 for the first
>>  time and the special call TM5AST will be used for the two days June 18/19
>>  on LF, HF bands and VHF.
>>
>>  If weather condition permits, a kite lifted antenna will be used after
>>  dark. Otherwise, we will setup a 10 meter Spiral top-loaded antenna.
>>
>>  First test signals are expected on friday 17 afternoon, if everything goes
>>  well.
>>
>>  AstroRadio field locator : JN18BL
>>
>>
>>  73 de Michel f5wk
>>  
>>

-- 
The Bat 3.0.1.33



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Absolutely John !


 


There was a very interesting junction of that nature in the centre of 
Ipswich at one time which was the location of a notorious intermittent in the 
landline of a local taxi firm's hilltop base station. As the sage said " 
QED".


 


73 de Pat g4gvw


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Hello LFers,

Is there anyone on the list who can tell me the identity and location of
two signals I copied using QRSS60 at or near to 137.780 as "XXO"
and "XGJ" ?  It sure was nice to see some activity again after a lull of
almost two weeks!

73, J.B.




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J.B.

Have never heard of XXO but XGJ is Warren, K2ORS, in Wayland MA.

Jay, W1VD

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Hello LFers,
>
> Is there anyone on the list who can tell me the identity and location
of
> two signals I copied using QRSS60 at or near to 137.780 as "XXO"
> and "XGJ" ?  It sure was nice to see some activity again after a lull
of
> almost two weeks!
>
> 73, J.B.
>
>
>



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J.B.
     That would be WD2XGJ in Wayland, Massachusetts  18 miles or 30 Km due West of Boston. Running 250 watts out into a loop 80' (25m) high by 145' (44m) horizontal.  The id should be 'XGJ' but the keyer acts up periodically and produces the odd artifact now and then (thus 'XXO').

  Thanks for the report!

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi


> Hello LFers,
> 
> Is there anyone on the list who can tell me the identity and location of
> two signals I copied using QRSS60 at or near to 137.780 as "XXO"
> and "XGJ" ?  It sure was nice to see some activity again after a lull of
> almost two weeks!
> 
> 73, J.B.
> 
> 
> 


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Warren

Missed your signal the past few weeks...always nice to have a big sig to
watch during high static periods when everything else is below the
elevated noise floor.

Fairly quiet conditions so far tonight...

Jay

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Who and where?


> J.B.
>      That would be WD2XGJ in Wayland, Massachusetts  18 miles or 30 Km
due West of Boston. Running 250 watts out into a loop 80' (25m) high by
145' (44m) horizontal.  The id should be 'XGJ' but the keyer acts up
periodically and produces the odd artifact now and then (thus 'XXO').
>
>   Thanks for the report!
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> FN42hi
>
>
> > Hello LFers,
> >
> > Is there anyone on the list who can tell me the identity and
location of
> > two signals I copied using QRSS60 at or near to 137.780 as "XXO"
> > and "XGJ" ?  It sure was nice to see some activity again after a
lull of
> > almost two weeks!
> >
> > 73, J.B.
> >
> >
> >
>



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Jay,
   We were under the almost constant threat of thunderstorms during the recent heat wave so I shut down as a precaution. Also, lack of activity on the reflector and the fact that the w3eee grabber was down led me to believe that everyone had given up for the summer.  In the last 2-3 days I have copied the LW BC station on 171 and the BBC on 198 so I figured the band can't be that bad!

Thanks for listening.

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi


> Warren
> 
> Missed your signal the past few weeks...always nice to have a big sig to
> watch during high static periods when everything else is below the
> elevated noise floor.
> 
> Fairly quiet conditions so far tonight...
> 
> Jay
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" 
> To: 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 8:11 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Who and where?
> 
> 
> > J.B.
> >      That would be WD2XGJ in Wayland, Massachusetts  18 miles or 30 Km
> due West of Boston. Running 250 watts out into a loop 80' (25m) high by
> 145' (44m) horizontal.  The id should be 'XGJ' but the keyer acts up
> periodically and produces the odd artifact now and then (thus 'XXO').
> >
> >   Thanks for the report!
> >
> > --
> > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> > FN42hi
> >
> >
> > > Hello LFers,
> > >
> > > Is there anyone on the list who can tell me the identity and
> location of
> > > two signals I copied using QRSS60 at or near to 137.780 as "XXO"
> > > and "XGJ" ?  It sure was nice to see some activity again after a
> lull of
> > > almost two weeks!
> > >
> > > 73, J.B.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 


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Hi Warren,

06/16/05 00:34:39, k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) wrote:

. . . and the fact that the w3eee grabber was down . . .

It's that darned lightning thing, and an aversion to flames on my part.  It'll be up if 
potential imminent doom isn't to hand.  It's been an 'interesting' couple of weeks.

         Cheers,

                Steve

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> 
> Is there anyone on the list who can tell me the identity and location of
> two signals I copied using QRSS60 at or near to 137.780 as "XXO"
> and "XGJ" ?  It sure was nice to see some activity again after a lull of
> almost two weeks!
> 
> 73, J.B.
> 
J.B.
You might check out the lwca website
http://www.lwca.org
and look at the lowfer/med/hifer section which lists
the call signs, locations and frequencies of the various stations.

137.7795   WD2XGJ   Wayland, MA    FN42hi

Most of the u.s./Cdn interface takes place on the lowfer@lwca.org reflector
so you might be interested in subscribing. Stations indicate their changes
in schedules and mode being transmitted, etc.

73
Mitch VE3OT   ( still on 137.7764  24/7)





 



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Tip O the hat

The ARRL.QST article on DX on 2200 meters was
a ripping Yarn,,, 

Well Presented

Bob K3DJC


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Hi Steve, dont take any risks with it !! It is great when its is there, but
we would hate to lose it permanently !! Thanks for the efforts with the
DCF39 page it has been great during the winter to have a different "window"
on LF propagation.

Very Best Wishes de Alan G3NYK


----- Original Message -----
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To: 
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> Hi Warren,
>
> 06/16/05 00:34:39, k2ors@comcast.net (Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ) wrote:
>
> . . . and the fact that the w3eee grabber was down . . .
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> It's that darned lightning thing, and an aversion to flames on my part.
It'll be up if
> potential imminent doom isn't to hand.  It's been an 'interesting' couple
of weeks.
>
>          Cheers,
>
>                 Steve
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> --
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Thanks Bob, Joe and I had some periods of heartache over it but it all came
out well in the end it seems.

Regrads de Alan G3NYK

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>
> Tip O the hat
>
> The ARRL.QST article on DX on 2200 meters was
> a ripping Yarn,,,
>
> Well Presented
>
> Bob K3DJC
>



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Hi Bob and thanks for the kind words.  We hope that
the article generates more interest in LF and helps
with securing an LF allocation in the US.

For those monitoring TA from NA, I hope to be QRV on
777 again when my new shed (tuning hut) is roofed
and shingled.

73
Joe VO1NA

On Thu, 16 Jun 2005, Alan Melia wrote:

> Thanks Bob, Joe and I had some periods of heartache over it but it all came
> out well in the end it seems.
>
> Regrads de Alan G3NYK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: 16 June 2005 04:13
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>
>
> >
> > Tip O the hat
> >
> > The ARRL.QST article on DX on 2200 meters was
> > a ripping Yarn,,,
> >
> > Well Presented
> >
> > Bob K3DJC
> >
>
>
>


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Dear Group,



today between approximately 7:10 and 10:50 UT, Loran-C pulses in the Rugby time slot were recorded here for the first time. On 100 kHz, pulse delay and strength were as expected from the original announcement. 



Any observations about 137 kHz sidebands yet?



73 de Markus,

DF6NM in JN59NK








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Must have been a temporary test. Only the usual Loran 
here at 1600 UT.


 


Walter G3JKV.


 



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  
  
  
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 4:49 PM

  
Subject: LF: LORAN Rugby - "first 
  light"

  

Dear Group,

today between approximately 
  7:10 and 10:50 UT, Loran-C pulses in the Rugby time slot were recorded here 
  for the first time. On 100 kHz, pulse delay and strength were as expected from 
  the original announcement. 

Any observations about 137 kHz sidebands 
  yet?

73 de Markus,
DF6NM in 
JN59NK




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Dear Markus, LF Group,


 


Seems normal here at 1800 utc. I don't have any 
signal measuring gear set up here at the moment - is the Rugby TX still on the 
air?


 


Cheers, Jim Moritz


73 de M0BMU



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  
  
  
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 5:26 PM

  
Subject: LF: Re: LORAN Rugby - "first 
  light"

  


  
Must have been a temporary test. Only the usual Loran 
  here at 1600 UT.

  
 

  
Walter G3JKV.

  
 

  

    
----- Original Message ----- 

    
    
    
Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 4:49 
    PM

    
Subject: LF: LORAN Rugby - "first 
    light"

    

Dear Group,

today between 
    approximately 7:10 and 10:50 UT, Loran-C pulses in the Rugby time slot were 
    recorded here for the first time. On 100 kHz, pulse delay and strength were 
    as expected from the original announcement. 

Any observations about 
    137 kHz sidebands yet?

73 de Markus,
DF6NM in 
  JN59NK



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Hi Walter and Jim,



according to my trace, they started at 7:10 and went off air at 10:50, with no further activity seen since then. 



I'll keep watching.



Markus, DF6NM



In einer eMail vom 17.06.2005 19:18:13 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt james.moritz@btopenworld.com: 




Dear Markus, LF Group,

  

Seems normal here at 1800 utc. I don't have any signal measuring gear set up here at the moment - is the Rugby TX still on the air?

  

Cheers, Jim Moritz

 73 de M0BMU

 


----- Original Message ----- 

From: Walter Blanchard 

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 Subject: LF: Re: LORAN Rugby - "first light"

 



Must have been a temporary test. Only the usual Loran here at 1600 UT.

  

Walter G3JKV.

  






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Back on at appx 0245z 137,7753 Hrs slow dfcw or so testing new driver and 
coupler. Hurrah no storms for the next 24 hrs.

Laurence kl1x/5
em26aq
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Very strong signal from TM0AST.

Screenshot:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut

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Noted some EU activities today. Added screenshots from F6BWO, M0BMU,
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http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm

Will monitor the TA frequencies the next two nights.

73
Hartmut

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Sorry, TM5AST of course.

Hartmut

> Very strong signal from TM0AST.

> Screenshot:

> http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


> 73
> Hartmut

> Locator:JO52ho
> www.h-wolff.de



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Hello All,

  QRSS3 operation on 137700 is planned at AstroRadio 2005 for the first
  time and the special call TM5AST will be used for the two days June 18/19
  on LF, HF bands and VHF.

  If weather condition permits, a kite lifted antenna will be used after
  dark. Otherwise, we will setup a 10 meter Spiral top-loaded antenna.

  First test signals are expected on friday 17 afternoon, if everything goes
  well.

  AstroRadio field locator : JN18BL


  73 de Michel f5wk
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Dear LF Group,


 


TM5AST now QRV (1945 utc) - a 599 signal here in 
IO91VR


 


Cheers, Jim Moritz


73 de M0BMU


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From: "James Moritz" 
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Dear Michel, LF Group,


 


Have just completed a QRSS3 QSO with TM5AST - one 
of the strongest signals I have heard from outside the UK (see attachment), 
including those using commercial antennas, and stronger than many local signals, 
so I guess the kite must have reached a good altitude! I will have a figure 
for the field strength once I have re-calibrated my RX tomorrow. 


 


I see they are still calling CQ now (2113 
utc).


 


Congratulations and good luck with the rest of the 
operation to everyone involved ,


 


Cheers, Jim Moritz


73 de M0BMU


 


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MessagePhew, they must have really tremendous QRN down there !



Hpe cul,

73 DF0WD / DL4YHF .





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Also I am giving a talk on the MB7LF 136KHz to 145MHz translater
at 12.00 in the Österreich room on Friday.

73

Stewart  G3YSX

Walter Staubach wrote:

> Hallo, dear friends,
>           the HAMRADIO fair in Friedrichshafen takes place from 
> Friday, 24.6 to Sunday, 28.6.
> The LF-fiends meet on Friday at 2PM in room "Oesterreich", I´ll give 
> some information and results about the DI2AG-project (beacon on 
> 440.044KHz).
> 73
> Walter DJ2LF
>         



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Dear 
Michel & LF,


 


Very 
strong sigs from TM5AST received in IO91RM. They are currently being called 
by myself in QRSS3/10, DF0WD in HELL/QRSS3, DL2HRE in DFCW3/QRSS3. and another 
unid D station in DFCW3. Quite a pile-up for a Saturday night on 137 
kHz!


 


73, 
Dave G3WCB IO91RM 



  
-----Original Message-----
From: 
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of James 
  Moritz
Sent: 18 June 2005 22:17
To: 
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: 
TM5AST


  
Dear Michel, LF Group,

  
 

  
Have just completed a QRSS3 QSO with TM5AST - one 
  of the strongest signals I have heard from outside the UK (see attachment), 
  including those using commercial antennas, and stronger than many local 
  signals, so I guess the kite must have reached a good altitude! I will 
  have a figure for the field strength once I have re-calibrated my RX tomorrow. 
  

  
 

  
I see they are still calling CQ now (2113 
  utc).

  
 

  
Congratulations and good luck with the rest of 
  the operation to everyone involved ,

  
 

  
Cheers, Jim Moritz

  
73 de M0BMU

  
 


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MessageGreetings all,



Just working TM5AST in QRSS6(-ish), due to QRN. Their kite is 160 m
AGL, which may explain the big difference in signal strength. If any of
the US guys receives this message in time, have a look at 137.700 for
their QRSS3 signal. It's really amazing, like Jim mentioned earlier.



To Stewart, Walter, and hopefully many more: Will see you in Friedrichshafen on friday 24th.



To All: Apologies for the following commercial added by this webmail thingy.



73, Wolf  DF0WD / DL4YHF. 







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Dear Stewart,
         normally the sessions are in German, but no problem to hold it in
English. I will be there.
My lecture on DI2AG will be in German, but I have many self-explaining
folies - and, if necessary, I can translate and hopefully you will
understand my English, hi.
73    Walter

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Stewart Bryant 
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
Datum: Samstag, 18. Juni 2005 23:58
Betreff: Re: LF: HAMRADIO


>Also I am giving a talk on the MB7LF 136KHz to 145MHz translater
>at 12.00 in the Österreich room on Friday.
>
>73
>
>Stewart  G3YSX
>
>Walter Staubach wrote:
>
>> Hallo, dear friends,
>>           the HAMRADIO fair in Friedrichshafen takes place from
>> Friday, 24.6 to Sunday, 28.6.
>> The LF-fiends meet on Friday at 2PM in room "Oesterreich", I´ll give
>> some information and results about the DI2AG-project (beacon on
>> 440.044KHz).
>> 73
>> Walter DJ2LF
>>
>
>



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>From "XES" I copied a "ES" around 02:00UTC on 137.7788kHz. From WD2XGJ
I captured some traces about 01:45-02:45UTC.

Captures can be seen:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut

Locator:JO52ho
www.h-wolff.de



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WD2XES will be running WOLF on 137.441 kHz for the next 2-3 nights. All
reports are welcome. Start time will be around 2300. Local sunset is 0027.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch
WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com




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Just for Information


 


Uwe, DK1KQ


 


 


----- Original Message ----- 



Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 1:58 PM


Subject: SAQ transmission 2005





 




 


 


TRANSMISSIONS WITH THE OLD ALEXANDERSON 
ALTERNATOR ON 17,2 KHZ THIS SUMMER


 


 


There will be transmissions both 
on Saturday July 2nd 2005 and on Sunday July 3rd 2005.


 


1.  The transmission on July 2nd will be at 
12:30 UTC when a new visiting centre 
will be inaugurated. The station will be open only to invited persons.


 


2.  On Sunday July 3rd there will be the 
ordinary "Alexanderson Day" and the station will be open to public between 10:00 
and 16:00 local time. Transmissions will take place at 08:15, 09:15, 12:15 and 13:15 UTC.


 


 


Amateur radio will work on 14.035 kHz CW, 3.755 and 14.215 kHz SSB 
with the new call SK6SAQ


 


 


QSL-information to: info@alexander.n.se


 


For more information read: www.alexander.n.se


 


 


Regards


 


 ars Kalland


SM6NM


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   Hello all,

  Thanks to Jim, Dave, Wolf and others for the good reports and sorry to see
  so many stations calling us but unable to read them.

  The kite antenna setup by Jeff f6cwn performed very well, beyond our
  expectation - we just wanted to put a good signal on the air - and that was
  the problem as we had very poor receiving conditions, at least 20 dB
  increase in noise level, compared to normal conditions.
  We don't know yet if the site situation (154 m ASL) is involved or not, my
  usual markers near 137750 were not visible this particular day/night.

  Now we need some more time to setup/build measurement tools (we missed
  almost all of them, but a phasemeter) By the way we are very interested
  in the field level at M0MBU to have and idea of the ERP (150 watts RF
  output)

  Again thanks to all.
  
  73 de Jeff F6CWN & Michel f5wk
-- 



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Jeff, Michel


 


From the reports it sounds as though your kite 
antenna worked quite well! 


 


Next time, please consider a period of QRSS30 or 
QRSS60 beacon activity so we can have a look on this side of the pond. Looked 
for your QRSS3 signal but saw no trace...


 


Jay, W1VD



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  
  
  
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:29 AM

  
Subject: LF: TM5AST on LF

  

   Hello all,

  Thanks to Jim, Dave, Wolf 
  and others for the good reports and sorry to see
  so many stations 
  calling us but unable to read them.

  The kite antenna setup by 
  Jeff f6cwn performed very well, beyond our
  expectation - we just 
  wanted to put a good signal on the air - and that was
  the problem as 
  we had very poor receiving conditions, at least 20 dB
  increase in 
  noise level, compared to normal conditions.
  We don't know yet if the 
  site situation (154 m ASL) is involved or not, my
  usual markers near 
  137750 were not visible this particular day/night.

  Now we need 
  some more time to setup/build measurement tools (we missed
  almost 
  all of them, but a phasemeter) By the way we are very interested
  in 
  the field level at M0MBU to have and idea of the ERP (150 watts RF
  
  output)

  Again thanks to all.
  
  73 de Jeff 
  F6CWN & Michel f5wk
-- 



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No big surprise here...wolf nice as usual.a small sample

2005-06-20 00:02:35 >WOLF  -r 8000 -f 441 -t 1.0 -d 18 -w 0.0000
t:  24 f: 0.173 a:-1.5 dp: 74.1 ci:15 cj: 88 G7.YH0S AS5W3N5 -
t:  48 f: 0.173 a:-1.5 dp: 74.2 ci: 0 cj:430 WD2XES JUN WOLF -
t:  96 f: 0.173 a:-1.5 dp: 74.9 ci: 0 cj:430 WD2XES JUN WOLF -
t: 192 f: 0.176 pm:39.51 jm: 99 q:  4.8  5.5 WD2XES JUN WOLF -
t: 288 f: 0.176 pm:87.96 jm: 99 q:  7.4  8.0 WD2XES JUN WOLF -
t: 384 f: 0.176 pm:133.5 jm: 99 q:  9.0  9.3 WD2XES JUN WOLF -
t: 480 f: 0.176 pm:184.5 jm: 99 q: 10.3 10.6 WD2XES JUN WOLF -
t: 576 f: 0.176 pm:223.7 jm: 99 q: 11.1 11.5 WD2XES JUN WOLF -

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Andrews" 
To: ; 
Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2005 2:31 PM
Subject: LF: XES WOLF


> WD2XES will be running WOLF on 137.441 kHz for the next 2-3 nights. All
> reports are welcome. Start time will be around 2300. Local sunset is 0027.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch
> WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com
>
> 



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Le lundi 20 juin 2005 à 18:08:34, g3kev.ham@virgin.net a écrit:


>  
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From:hamilton mal  
> To:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org  
> Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 8:08 PM
> Subject: TM0AST



> Hi All
> The callsign that I read was TM0AST and not TM5AST.  Which is correct ??
> de G3KEV
>  

 In the hurry, I forgot to check out the call sign in the QRS buffer. The
 good callsign is TM5AST. It's been corrected just after the beginning of
 the qso with Jim. Sorry about that.


 73 de Michel f5wk
-- 
The Bat 3.0.1.33

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Hi All


The callsign that I read was TM0AST and not TM5AST. 
Which is correct ??


de G3KEV


 


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Successful reports received from Laurence, Lloyd, and Jay. Nil results from
Brian and Hartmut. XES will run again tonight in WOLF on 137.441 starting at
2300 UTC.

John Andrews




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Don't know if conditions are a bit different tonite but XES wolf is sure 
pounding in..

2005-06-20 23:22:17 >WOLF  -r 8000 -f 441 -t 0.5 -d 18 -w 0.0000
Wolf copy by W3NF Jun 20,2005
t:  24 f: 0.178 a: 0.1 dp: 72.2 ci:10 cj:188 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t:  48 f: 0.177 a: 0.2 dp: 72.7 ci: 9 cj:188 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t:  96 f: 0.178 a: 0.1 dp: 73.6 ci: 9 cj:188 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t: 192 f: 0.176 pm:58.49 jm:584 q:  7.4  7.2 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t: 288 f: 0.176 pm:108.6 jm:584 q: 10.0 10.5 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t: 384 f: 0.176 pm:156.8 jm:584 q: 12.3 12.7 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t: 480 f: 0.176 pm:205.7 jm:584 q: 13.4 14.0 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t: 576 f: 0.176 pm:265.8 jm:584 q: 14.3 15.1 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t: 672 f: 0.176 pm:323.7 jm:584 q: 15.2 15.9 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t: 768 f: 0.176 pm:373.9 jm:584 q: 15.5 16.0 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t: 864 f: 0.176 pm:415.3 jm:584 q: 16.0 16.5 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t: 960 f: 0.176 pm:442.3 jm:584 q: 16.5 17.1 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t:1056 f: 0.176 pm:464.7 jm:584 q: 16.9 17.3 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t:1152 f: 0.176 pm:478.4 jm:584 q: 17.1 17.5 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t:1248 f: 0.176 pm:488.7 jm:584 q: 17.5 17.9 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t:1344 f: 0.176 pm:498.3 jm:584 q: 17.7 18.1 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t:1440 f: 0.176 pm:505.7 jm:584 q: 17.9 18.3 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t:1536 f: 0.176 pm:509.4 jm:584 q: 17.9 18.3 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t:1632 f: 0.176 pm:526.2 jm:583 q: 18.4 18.9 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t:1728 f: 0.176 pm:564.4 jm:583 q: 18.5 19.1 XES SUMMER WOLF -
t:1824 f: 0.176 pm:588.7 jm:583 q: 18.7 19.1 XES SUMMER WOLF -
de Lloyd W3Nf 



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Both panels available at:


 



 



 


 


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Hi All


Big signal from TM0AST AT 1927utc yesterday evening 
on QRS 137.7 khz


No one seemed to be responding, LF acty vy low at 
present time.


If they listen on 7020 khz I will give them a xband 
QSO when I am about in the shack. The wx is FB at present and too good to be in 
the shack!!!!!!


73 de Mal/G3KEV


 


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Nice howling of the "summer wolf" last night on 137.441.
Good signal from XGJ 0100-0200UTC.

Captures can be seen:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut

Locator:JO52ho
www.h-wolff.de



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Hartmut,

> Nice howling of the "summer wolf" last night on 137.441.
> Good signal from XGJ 0100-0200UTC.

Wow! Pretty good for the summer solstice. Was that also from the 0100-0200
UTC period?

Thanks.

John Andrews, W1TAG




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John,

sorry, I forgot the time. The first line started around 0115 UTC.

Hartmut


> Hartmut,

>> Nice howling of the "summer wolf" last night on 137.441.
>> Good signal from XGJ 0100-0200UTC.

> Wow! Pretty good for the summer solstice. Was that also from the 0100-0200
> UTC period?

> Thanks.

> John Andrews, W1TAG



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Hartmut,

> sorry, I forgot the time. The first line started around 0115 UTC.

Thanks. We did some 1-watt Lowfer tests a few years ago that showed similar
duration of good copy for WOLF and QRSS60, so your results are useful in
comparing the modes. It looks like the WOLF copy this morning was best about
30 minutes into the session, as the signal to noise ratio numbers get worse
after that.

In any case, your receptions and Jay's copy of CT1DRP are very unusual for
the time of year. I don't recall having seen reports like this in previous
years.

They have dropped the thunderstorm prediction for this area tonight, so I
will run in WOLF mode again on 137.441. Solar conditions still appear to be
favorable.

John Andrews




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No Wolfsign here last night, but I'll listen again tonight.
73,
Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Nice howling of the "summer wolf" last night on 137.441.
Good signal from XGJ 0100-0200UTC.

Captures can be seen:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut

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21./06/2005   2023z


 


Hi Mal and the list,


 


The correct call (in 2005) was TM 5 
AST


 We made a mistake at the beginning of 
the transmission,


(memory problem with QRSS  software 
and >30°C temperature!)...sorry!


We hope to be better operators in the next 
time.


 


73: Jeff / F6CWN


 


 



  
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Hi All

  
The callsign that I read was TM0AST and not 
  TM5AST. Which is correct ??

  
de G3KEV

  
 


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Dear Group,



a second LORAN-C transmission from Rugby (GRI 6731-Y, 27.3 ms delay) occured today between about 8:30 and 16:10 UT.



Sorry for the a posteriori reporting - I suppose real-time uploads of LORAN traces might be more useful, but the second computer used for monitoring on 100 kHz currently cannot be connected to the internet. The corresponding lines on the LF screengrabber (eg 135923.340 Hz, mostly from Sylt) did not show any significant change, but at a distance of 923 km not much effect would be expected here.



73 and best wishes



Markus, DF6NM



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After the T-storms passed through here, again good TA reception
0115-0230UTC. Copied WD2XGJ in QRSS60 and WD2XES in WOLF.

Captures can be seen:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


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Hartmut

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Markus,


Yes, saw it myself this time. It only added 
about 4 dB amplitude in a 10 kHz bw and I couldn't see much difference in 
sidebands at 137 kHz.


Rugby and Lessay are very roughly the same distance from 
me.


You might have a look at relative amplitudes - I haven't 
got a working Loran-C rx at the moment.


Will have another look today.


Walter G3JKV.



  
----- Original Message ----- 

  
  
  
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:28 
  PM

  
Subject: LF: LORAN Rugby testing 
  again

  

Dear Group,

a second LORAN-C 
  transmission from Rugby (GRI 6731-Y, 27.3 ms delay) occured today between 
  about 8:30 and 16:10 UT.

Sorry for the a posteriori reporting - I 
  suppose real-time uploads of LORAN traces might be more useful, but the second 
  computer used for monitoring on 100 kHz currently cannot be connected to the 
  internet. The corresponding lines on the LF screengrabber (eg 135923.340 Hz, 
  mostly from Sylt) did not show any significant change, but at a distance of 
  923 km not much effect would be expected here.

73 and best 
  wishes

Markus, DF6NM


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Dear Walter and Group,



Rugby started transmitting sometime around 6:40, and they are on air now at 7:25.



73 de Markus, DF6NM



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Dear LF Group,


 


Bad news... This morning at about 0740utc the Rugby 
Loran station is definitely operating - At my QTH the 136kHz audible noise level 
has increased by about 10 - 15dB as a result. 


 


Cheers, Jim Moritz


73 de M0BMU


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If anybody has any estimates (or measurements) of the increase in signal strength to be expected in the following areas they would be of considerable interest to the cave radio fraternity: South Wales, Derbyshire (Peak District), the far west and north west of Yorkshire (the area where they sometimes have Lancashire postcodes!!).

John G3PAI
Cave Radio & Electronics Group

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On 22/06/2005 at 08:17 Walter Blanchard wrote:

>Markus,
>Yes, saw it myself this time. It only added about 4 dB amplitude in a 10
>kHz bw and I couldn't see much difference in sidebands at 137 kHz.
>Rugby and Lessay are very roughly the same distance from me.
>You might have a look at relative amplitudes - I haven't got a working
>Loran-C rx at the moment.
>Will have another look today.
>Walter G3JKV.
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: MarkusVester@aol.com 
>  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
>  Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:28 PM
>  Subject: LF: LORAN Rugby testing again
>
>
>  Dear Group,
>
>  a second LORAN-C transmission from Rugby (GRI 6731-Y, 27.3 ms delay)
>occured today between about 8:30 and 16:10 UT.
>
>  Sorry for the a posteriori reporting - I suppose real-time uploads of
>LORAN traces might be more useful, but the second computer used for
>monitoring on 100 kHz currently cannot be connected to the internet. The
>corresponding lines on the LF screengrabber (eg 135923.340 Hz, mostly from
>Sylt) did not show any significant change, but at a distance of 923 km not
>much effect would be expected here.
>
>  73 and best wishes
>
>  Markus, DF6NM






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Hi All,

After reading the mail at mid-day today (22/06/2005) reference LORAN
transmissions from Rugby I carried out some checks. Using my G3LNP loop &
Spec Lab I compared noise levels with previous Spec Lab captures & I am also
reading about a 10db or more increase across 136 KHz using on the spectrum
graph on Spec Lab. The waterfall display is showing strong LORAN lines all
across the display, considering this is at mid-day is it going to be worse
at night in darkness? if this is the case it will be useless for me. With
the G3LNP loop connected straight to the Yaesu FT-747 & the loop tuned to
the 136 KHz band the signal strength on the S-Meter has increased from S4 to
S9.

My location is near Chorley, Lancashire (IO83qp)

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of James Moritz
Sent: 22 June 2005 08:56
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Subject: LF: Rugby Loran QRV


Dear LF Group,

Bad news... This morning at about 0740utc the Rugby Loran station is
definitely operating - At my QTH the 136kHz audible noise level has
increased by about 10 - 15dB as a result.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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With the introduction of any new system there will be an evaluation of its 
success and an assessment of the positive and negative aspects of its 
operation.


I certainly think its worth a letter to 1) The operators 2) The licensing 
organisation 3) The RSGB EMC committee.


 


The government's regulator Ofcom now incorporates the Radio Investigation 
Service. Unfortunately, since January 2005 the 'privatised' RIS now only 
responds to cases of reported interference.


Their remit no longer includes initiating monitoring tracking and 
resolving interference or unlicensed operation.


No complaint......no action.


 


A few timely letters may get a 136kHz 'notch' filter placed in the 
feeder.


 


73


 


David   G0MRF


 


 


 


In a message dated 22/06/2005 12:51:10 GMT Standard Time, 
g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk writes:


Hi 
  All,

After reading the mail at mid-day today (22/06/2005) reference 
  LORAN
transmissions from Rugby I carried out some checks. Using my G3LNP 
  loop &
Spec Lab I compared noise levels with previous Spec Lab captures 
  & I am also
reading about a 10db or more increase across 136 KHz using 
  on the spectrum
graph on Spec Lab. The waterfall display is showing strong 
  LORAN lines all
across the display, considering this is at mid-day is it 
  going to be worse
at night in darkness? if this is the case it will be 
  useless for me. With
the G3LNP loop connected straight to the Yaesu FT-747 
  & the loop tuned to
the 136 KHz band the signal strength on the S-Meter 
  has increased from S4 to
S9.

My location is near Chorley, Lancashire 
  (IO83qp)




 


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Michel F5WK" 
To: "hamilton mal" 
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:57 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Fw: TM0AST


> Le lundi 20 juin 2005 à 18:08:34, g3kev.ham@virgin.net a écrit:
>
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:hamilton mal
> > To:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 8:08 PM
> > Subject: TM0AST
>
>
>
> > Hi All
> > The callsign that I read was TM0AST and not TM5AST.  Which is correct ??
> > de G3KEV
> >
>
>  In the hurry, I forgot to check out the call sign in the QRS buffer. The
>  good callsign is TM5AST. It's been corrected just after the beginning of
>  the qso with Jim. Sorry about that.
>
>
>  73 de Michel f5wk
> --
> The Bat 3.0.1.33
Tnx Michel for the info. It looks like I am the only one that read the
callsign as sent. There is too much guesswork on LF and some claiming QSO'S
in the past because they saw a mark on the frequency but got no proper ID.
You were a very strong signal with me on both my loop and vertical. I did
not have time for a QSO but maybe next time.
73 de Mal/G3KEV


>



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----- Original Message ----- 

  
  
  
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 12:49 
PM

  
Subject: LF: Re: TM5AST on LF

  


  
Jeff, Michel

  
 

  
From the reports it sounds as though your kite 
  antenna worked quite well! 

  
 

  
Next time, please consider a period of QRSS30 or 
  QRSS60 beacon activity so we can have a look on this side of the pond. Looked 
  for your QRSS3 signal but saw no trace...

  
 

  
Jay, W1VD

  
Jay,

  
QRS 30/60 would be too slow for a kite operation, 
  in fact normal CW is more appropriate because of the qsb dips when the kite 
  swings about and you would only get bits of the signal and no positive ID. 
  Daytime activities in EU would not suit the USA because of the time difference 
  and its really not safe to fly a kite at night time, virtually impossible in 
  the dark.

  
 

  
de Mal/G3KEV

  

    
----- Original Message ----- 

    
    
    
Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 6:29 
    AM

    
Subject: LF: TM5AST on LF

    

   Hello all,

  Thanks to Jim, Dave, 
    Wolf and others for the good reports and sorry to see
  so many 
    stations calling us but unable to read them.

  The kite antenna 
    setup by Jeff f6cwn performed very well, beyond our
  expectation - 
    we just wanted to put a good signal on the air - and that was
  the 
    problem as we had very poor receiving conditions, at least 20 dB
  
    increase in noise level, compared to normal conditions.
  We don't 
    know yet if the site situation (154 m ASL) is involved or not, my
  
    usual markers near 137750 were not visible this particular 
    day/night.

  Now we need some more time to setup/build 
    measurement tools (we missed
  almost all of them, but a phasemeter) 
    By the way we are very interested
  in the field level at M0MBU to 
    have and idea of the ERP (150 watts RF
  output)

  Again 
    thanks to all.
  
  73 de Jeff F6CWN & Michel f5wk
-- 
    



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Dear friends,


         as 
I am at the HAMRADIO DI2AG on 440.044KHz will be switched off from Thursday 
morning at least to Saturday evening ( and the antenna connected to earth 
because of danger of thunderstorms ).


73   Walter DJ2LF


 


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Dear Gary, LF Group,

I don't think it is a total disaster, although it will certainly make CW
operation much harder for stations in the central part of the UK, and I
guess it will also affect the LF SSB John and the cave radio people use. The
signal from Rugby to your QTH and most of the UK will be mostly ground wave,
so probably not much different between day and night. On the other hand, the
QRN noise level usually rises 10dB or more during the night, so the effect
of the Loran noise will effectively be reduced. I guess where you are you
should get a quite good null with your loop antenna - although the nulls
will also reduce wanted signal levels from other UK and southern European
stations. The same applies at my QTH, plus it will be difficult to null out
both Lessay and Rugby at the same time.

QRSS operation should be little affected provided a signal frequency can be
chosen that is between two Loran lines - but even random frequency selection
should be OK in a majority of cases because there are more gaps than lines.
With signals with BW of more than a few Hz, such as PSK31, "Hell", or the
wider settings of "Jason" and DFCW it will be difficult to avoid some
interference problems, however.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Gary - G4WGT
Sent: 22 June 2005 13:49
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Subject: LF: RE: Rugby Loran QRV

...I compared noise levels with previous Spec Lab captures & I am also
reading about a 10db or more increase across 136 KHz using on the spectrum
graph on Spec Lab. The waterfall display is showing strong LORAN lines all
across the display, considering this is at mid-day is it going to be worse
at night in darkness? if this is the case it will be useless for me. With
the G3LNP loop connected straight to the Yaesu FT-747 & the loop tuned to
the 136 KHz band the signal strength on the S-Meter has increased from S4 to
S9...





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Dear LF Group,

The Rugby Loran seems to have gone away again for the time being...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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... yes Jim, the trace ended at about 16:00 today.



David, regarding a notch filter at the TX site - at 36% frequency offset this should be quite feasible, even though the design would probably have to be tweaked carefully to preserve the shape of the rising pulse edge, in the presence of reflections both from the antenna and the transmitter output stage. Some of these effects could possibly be compensated by predistorting the driving waveform - looks like an interesting engineering exercise. Have such filters been implemented at Loran sites before, perhaps to protect other services? 



Markus, DF6NM



In einer eMail vom 22.06.2005 20:03:54 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt james.moritz@btopenworld.com: 




Dear LF Group,



The Rugby Loran seems to have gone away again for the time being...



Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU










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Thanks to Hartmut, Mitch and Larry for the WOLF reports from last night. I
will try JASON Slow tonight on 137.441 kHz, starting around 0000 UTC.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES




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Over the next few US nights Ill be running tests to ZL - Ive been modifying 
the Decca PA a bit to make things more manageable and improving the 
filtering and switching somewhat - still a ways to go.

Running  this evening 46A aerial current into the loop and slow dfcw and 
Hell modes between 137.775 and 137.7758 or so. I doubt whether Ill get to Eu 
as I see no traces at all of DCF39 on what is nearly a sunlit path this time 
of year but never say never - delighted to see that Warren and John are 
making the path. I may have to go off at any time due to power outages which 
are common here in the southern plains with these storms - temps are in the 
high 90's as is the temp of the plastic swimming pool water!

Best regards

Laurence
KL1X/5 em26aq oklahoma
http://myweb.cableone.net/flow




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Laurence KL1X,

I'll listen out this evening (except during times when the ZL LF net is 
active).

73, Bob ZL2CA 




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Guess you can't cool off in the pool anymore... Seen any twisters down 
there yet???

-- 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI



Laurence KL1X wrote:

> Over the next few US nights Ill be running tests to ZL - Ive been 
> modifying the Decca PA a bit to make things more manageable and 
> improving the filtering and switching somewhat - still a ways to go.
>
> Running  this evening 46A aerial current into the loop and slow dfcw 
> and Hell modes between 137.775 and 137.7758 or so. I doubt whether Ill 
> get to Eu as I see no traces at all of DCF39 on what is nearly a 
> sunlit path this time of year but never say never - delighted to see 
> that Warren and John are making the path. I may have to go off at any 
> time due to power outages which are common here in the southern plains 
> with these storms - temps are in the high 90's as is the temp of the 
> plastic swimming pool water!
>
> Best regards
>
> Laurence
> KL1X/5 em26aq oklahoma
> http://myweb.cableone.net/flow
>
>
>
>



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On 22 Jun 2005 at 15:15, hamilton mal wrote:

>   QRS 30/60 would be too slow for a kite operation, in fact normal CW
>   is more appropriate because of the qsb dips when the kite swings
>   about and you would only get bits of the signal and no positive ID.
>   Daytime activities in EU would not suit the USA because of the time
>   difference and its really not safe to fly a kite at night time,
>   virtually impossible in the dark.

>From my experience of kite operation on LF as GW3XDV/P, it is quite 
possible to fly a kite that is very stable for long periods. I am 
sure that G3YXM (whose GM3YXM/P work gave several people their first 
GM) will agree.

As for timing, this time of year it gets light at about 0430, which 
would allow time for a callsign ort two at QRSS30 before 
transatlantic propagation faded. A bigger problem would be getting 
enough wind at that time of day.

Mike, G3XDV
===========



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Here's a pic of Loran as seen here just south of 
London.


Raw 100 kHz RF in a 10 kHz bandwidth and linear 
volts.


No AGC or limiting. Rugby 
amplitude changes occasionally


 - guess they're tuning the system.


"Ghost" pulses are Lessay on its dual-rate.


 


Walter G3JKV.


 




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CQ  Dave G3YXM........What's it like in Birmingham (20 miles from the 
Rugby Loran site) ?


 


 


 


 


In a message dated 23/06/2005 08:41:10 GMT Standard Time, blanch@pncl.co.uk 
writes:



  
Here's a pic of Loran as seen here just south of 
  London.

  
Raw 100 kHz RF in a 10 kHz bandwidth and linear 
  volts.

  
No AGC or limiting. Rugby 
  amplitude changes occasionally

  
 - guess they're tuning the system.

  
"Ghost" pulses are Lessay on its 
  dual-rate.




 


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Whilst looking for TA signals I captured the attached at 07:45 this morning. Looks like Rugby switching on1


Freq scale 137.778 to 137.781 note 779.5 still clear.


Laurie


Whatever you Wanadoo

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Further to my Rugby? mail the attached was recieved last night on 137.779.5kHz at 02:40 to 03:40


Laurie..


 


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Hi all, CFH was active last night, but due to the solstice there is a fairly
narrow "window". I have not calibrated the receiver for some time and this
needs a check, but there is a distinct jump in the average noise level at
about 0700z, well after CFH faded out,  which would seem to tally with
Laurie's plot of the lines appearing. I am surprised that the effect is so
small, but it may indicate that my local noises have increased substantially
over the last 2 years or so. The rx IF output (455kHz) is measured on a B&K
wideband millivoltmeter set to "average". The bandwidth of the IF filter is
300Hz.
The plot is posted to my propagation report page at
www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/latest.htm

Cheers de Alan G3NYK




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Dear Laurie and Group,
   Is 137.777 still clear?  The helix hut (shed) is nearing completion and
I hope to be QRV within a week.

73
Joe

On Thu, 23 Jun 2005, Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC wrote:

> Whilst looking for TA signals I captured the attached at 07:45 this morning. Looks like Rugby switching on1
> Freq scale 137.778 to 137.781 note 779.5 still clear.


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Dear LF Group,

I was able to compare noise levels before and after the Rugby Loran signal
came up this morning (some time between 0600 and 0715, so tallying with what
Alan and Laurie saw). Before Rugby started up, the band was about as quiet
as it gets, with only a small amount of weak QRN. With a loop antenna
aligned to null out the Lessay Loran, (and so lined up nearly directly on
Rugby at my QTH) the noise level in a 300Hz bandwidth in the CW part of the
band rose about 15dB, to roughly 15dBuV/m. The Lessay noise was about 9dB
below the Rugby noise, so, if using a non-directional antenna, the noise
level here has been degraded by about 9dB. If I use a loop ant to null
Rugby, the noise level is basically that due to Lessay, about 6dB above the
natural noise floor. Up to now, I have been able to null out Lessay and so
"enjoy" essentially the natural background level, so whatever I do, the
noise situation has substantially worsened. Having had the 73kHz "growler"
to live with, and now Loran, Rugby Radio really seems to have it in for LF
amateurs! 

I also made a rough measurement of the Rugby Loran field strength at 100kHz
- in a 3.1kHz bandwidth it is about 3mV/m RMS, which amounts to about 5kW
mean ERP at 150kms distance - of course, the signal bandwidth is wider than
this, so the total mean ERP is probably 2 - 3 times this. Anyway, the PEP
will be much higher due to the pulsed nature of the signal.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Dear Mal, Mike, LF Group,

The TM5AST expedition was able to maintain a consistently high signal level
for several hours after dark using their kite antenna, rather demonstrating
how effective it can be, and plenty of time for even a QRSS30 QSO. As for
the time of year, Joe, VO1NA and myself had our first QSO during June a
couple of years ago, using QRSS30. Admittedly, it took several attempts, and
a bit of luck was required to get the whole QSO into the available darkness
hours, but eventually it worked, and most of the time some signals were seen
even when a complete QSO was not possible.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU




On 22 Jun 2005 at 15:15, hamilton mal wrote:

>   QRS 30/60 would be too slow for a kite operation, in fact normal CW
>   is more appropriate because of the qsb dips when the kite swings
>   about and you would only get bits of the signal and no positive ID.
>   Daytime activities in EU would not suit the USA because of the time
>   difference and its really not safe to fly a kite at night time,
>   virtually impossible in the dark.

>>From my experience of kite operation on LF as GW3XDV/P, it is quite 
possible to fly a kite that is very stable for long periods. I am 
sure that G3YXM (whose GM3YXM/P work gave several people their first 
GM) will agree.

As for timing, this time of year it gets light at about 0430, which 
would allow time for a callsign ort two at QRSS30 before 
transatlantic propagation faded. A bigger problem would be getting 
enough wind at that time of day.

Mike, G3XDV
===========






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Subject: LF: Re.Loran and XGJ
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Hi all,my last mail seems to have dropped the text! so here goes again.


For Joe Loran at mid-day shows a group of 6 lines between 137,780 and 137,781 otherwise all clear here form 137,776 to just below 137,780. Last night there was a line on 778.4.


For Warren, sig. seen last night on 137.779.5 was you, see attachment ,  "J" captured at 02:55 UTC.  


73 Laurie


Whatever you Wanadoo

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Hi All


I looked earlier today on 137 khz and did see some 
lines probably emanating from Rugby. Fortunately they were not too strong 
especially on my 80 m vert loop optimum E/W so to the south a lot of 
attenuation. The lines had gone by about 1700 local time. I can see the 
potential problem for those around the Midlands and the near South, LF might 
fizzle out in these areas, Scotland and Ireland could be the place for the 
dedicated LF operator and certain parts of EU.


 


73 de Mal/G3KEV


 


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In a message dated 23/06/2005 19:59:47 GMT Daylight Time, 
g3kev.ham@virgin.net writes:


Scotland and Ireland could be the place for the dedicated LF 
  operator and certain parts of EU.




Phew


I was looking for some justification, read "excuse", for my move to wet and 
windy Clydeside but still can't believe it might actually offer a 
benefit:-)


regards


Nigel


G8PZR


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Hello Joe ,
This last  night i recorded the 137.777   !  but I did not see traces of
VO1NA.
73 qro     f1afj     Jean-Pierre

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Craig" 
To: "RSGB" 
Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 1:41 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Loran ?


> Dear Laurie and Group,
>    Is 137.777 still clear?  The helix hut (shed) is nearing completion and
> I hope to be QRV within a week.
>
> 73
> Joe
>
> On Thu, 23 Jun 2005, Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC wrote:
>
> > Whilst looking for TA signals I captured the attached at 07:45 this
morning. Looks like Rugby switching on1
> > Freq scale 137.778 to 137.781 note 779.5 still clear.
>
>




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Slightly off topic (HF of topic?) - this was on the G3EFX Yahoo Group:-


"The FCC has given the go-ahead for Amateur Experimental operation on 600
metres
- 500 kHz.

See http://500kc.com/ for full details.

FCC ASSIGNS CALL LETTERS TO ARRL 600 METER EXPERIMENTAL GROUP
Wednesday, 22 June 2005 - Washington, D.C. - The Federal Communications
Commission has issued the call letters WD2XSH for the 600 Meter Part 5
Experimental operations to be conducted by the ARRL 600 Meter Experimental
Group. The actual grant of license will be done in the normal course of
operations by the FCC.

In the meantime, it is reported that members of the Experimental Group are
melting solder, tuning transmitters, stringing feedlines, and polishing
their
keys in eager anticipation of the issuance of the license itself, which will
allow then to commence operations on 600 Meters.

All operations will necessarily adhere to the Part 5 rules and to the
proposed
plan of research specified in the license application. Results of the
project
will be forwarded to the Commission and posted on this web site. When
transmissions actually commence, we will post a notice on this web page.

Reception reports of the transmissions made by Group participants are
requested. You do not have to be a member of this group to send us a
reception
report. Please use the link at the left side of this web page to enter your
reports.

More information as it becomes available, so stay tuned - to 600 Meters, of
course!"

73,
Dave G3WCB IO91RM




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Hi Jean-Pierre I do not think Joe is active again yet, but he "threatens" to
be active again soon....only Warren would have been active in your window.
John was on Jason further down.
73 de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jean-Pierre Méré" 
To: 
Sent: 23 June 2005 21:44
Subject: Re: LF: Loran ?


> Hello Joe ,
> This last  night i recorded the 137.777   !  but I did not see traces of
> VO1NA.
> 73 qro     f1afj     Jean-Pierre
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joe Craig" 
> To: "RSGB" 
> Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 1:41 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Loran ?
>
>
> > Dear Laurie and Group,
> >    Is 137.777 still clear?  The helix hut (shed) is nearing completion
and
> > I hope to be QRV within a week.
> >
> > 73
> > Joe
> >
> > On Thu, 23 Jun 2005, Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC wrote:
> >
> > > Whilst looking for TA signals I captured the attached at 07:45 this
> morning. Looks like Rugby switching on1
> > > Freq scale 137.778 to 137.781 note 779.5 still clear.
> >
> >
>
>
>



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Hi Dave the news from the LowFer reflector of the LWCA is that the FCC
always allocate a call early in the process....the general concenus is that
it will take another 9 months to get the go-ahead to "warm the worms up".

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave G3WCB" 
To: 
Sent: 23 June 2005 22:07
Subject: LF: FCC ASSIGNS CALL LETTERS TO ARRL 600 METER EXPERIMENTAL GROUP


>
> Slightly off topic (HF of topic?) - this was on the G3EFX Yahoo Group:-
>
>
> "The FCC has given the go-ahead for Amateur Experimental operation on 600
> metres
> - 500 kHz.
>
> See http://500kc.com/ for full details.
>
> FCC ASSIGNS CALL LETTERS TO ARRL 600 METER EXPERIMENTAL GROUP
> Wednesday, 22 June 2005 - Washington, D.C. - The Federal Communications
> Commission has issued the call letters WD2XSH for the 600 Meter Part 5
> Experimental operations to be conducted by the ARRL 600 Meter Experimental
> Group. The actual grant of license will be done in the normal course of
> operations by the FCC.
>
> In the meantime, it is reported that members of the Experimental Group are
> melting solder, tuning transmitters, stringing feedlines, and polishing
> their
> keys in eager anticipation of the issuance of the license itself, which
will
> allow then to commence operations on 600 Meters.
>
> All operations will necessarily adhere to the Part 5 rules and to the
> proposed
> plan of research specified in the license application. Results of the
> project
> will be forwarded to the Commission and posted on this web site. When
> transmissions actually commence, we will post a notice on this web page.
>
> Reception reports of the transmissions made by Group participants are
> requested. You do not have to be a member of this group to send us a
> reception
> report. Please use the link at the left side of this web page to enter
your
> reports.
>
> More information as it becomes available, so stay tuned - to 600 Meters,
of
> course!"
>
> 73,
> Dave G3WCB IO91RM
>
>
>



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Hello LFers,

I had a very solid copy of "XES" using DFCW mode here on Lake Huron
at 02:00 UTC.  It's nice to know my antenna efforts are yielding results!

73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL @ EN93dr




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J.B.
   Are you copying "XGJ" 0.5 Hz above "XES"?

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi


> Hello LFers,
> 
> I had a very solid copy of "XES" using DFCW mode here on Lake Huron
> at 02:00 UTC.  It's nice to know my antenna efforts are yielding results!
> 
> 73, J.B., VE3EAR - VE3WZL @ EN93dr
> 
> 
> 


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I Alan , Tks for info 73
John f1afj

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alan Melia" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: LF: Loran ?


> Hi Jean-Pierre I do not think Joe is active again yet, but he "threatens"
to
> be active again soon....only Warren would have been active in your window.
> John was on Jason further down.
> 73 de Alan G3NYK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jean-Pierre Méré" 
> To: 
> Sent: 23 June 2005 21:44
> Subject: Re: LF: Loran ?
>
>
> > Hello Joe ,
> > This last  night i recorded the 137.777   !  but I did not see traces of
> > VO1NA.
> > 73 qro     f1afj     Jean-Pierre
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Joe Craig" 
> > To: "RSGB" 
> > Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 1:41 PM
> > Subject: Re: LF: Loran ?
> >
> >
> > > Dear Laurie and Group,
> > >    Is 137.777 still clear?  The helix hut (shed) is nearing completion
> and
> > > I hope to be QRV within a week.
> > >
> > > 73
> > > Joe
> > >
> > > On Thu, 23 Jun 2005, Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC wrote:
> > >
> > > > Whilst looking for TA signals I captured the attached at 07:45 this
> > morning. Looks like Rugby switching on1
> > > > Freq scale 137.778 to 137.781 note 779.5 still clear.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>




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David and all.
 
I had the joy of hearing it for the first time this morning. My S-meter
rises from S1 or 2 to S8 in a CW bandwidth with the nasty clacking noise
that reminds me of the GU trip! CW operation if definitely finished from
here once that stays on.
I haven't tried QRSS yet.
A loop may help for some signals but it'll be no good for US reception
because Rugby is almost due East of here.
Looks like it's back to topband for me...

Dave G3YXM. 


________________________________

	From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of G0MRF@aol.com
	Sent: 23 June 2005 09:46
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		CQ  Dave G3YXM........What's it like in Birmingham (20 miles
from the Rugby Loran site) ?
	 
	 
	 
	 
	In a message dated 23/06/2005 08:41:10 GMT Standard Time,
blanch@pncl.co.uk writes:

				Here's a pic of Loran as seen here just
south of London.
		Raw 100 kHz RF in a 10 kHz bandwidth and linear volts.
		No AGC or limiting. Rugby amplitude changes occasionally
		 - guess they're tuning the system.
		"Ghost" pulses are Lessay on its dual-rate.
		
	




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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: LF: XES solid @ EN93dr


> 
> J.B.
>    Are you copying "XGJ" 0.5 Hz above "XES"?
> 

Hello Warren, LFers,

Yes, I sure am!  I see you pretty much every evening.
I'm using a VE7SL style loop with no preamp into a
TS-440.

73, J.B.




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J.B.,

> I had a very solid copy of "XES" using DFCW mode here on Lake Huron
> at 02:00 UTC.  It's nice to know my antenna efforts are yielding results!

Happy to be seen. Tnx.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES



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No doubt, John, G3WKL, will post the item in full here, but those 
that have seen the call for nominations for the RSGB LF Award (the 
Nevada Cup) in Radcom will need to know there is an error in the URL 
in the article. It should be:
http:www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/Nevadacup.htm

Mike, G3XDV
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Isn't it always the same. You correct someone else and put in a 
different error yourself . . . .
The CORRECT URL is:

http://www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/Nevadacup.htm

Mike, G3XDV
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> 
> 





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Dear all

I have a roll of several hundred metres of rather nice silk(?) covered litz
wire to dispose of. This is from the estate of a silent-key amateur whose
wife wants any money raised to go to a cancer charity.
The wire is at least a hundred strands of very fine enamelled wire with a
total outside diameter of just under 2mm. It was made by "The London
Electric Wire Company" for use in 85kHz equipment so it should be pretty
good on 136.
I have posted some pictures so that you can count the strands!
http://www.wireless.org.uk/litz.htm 
This looks ideal for winding reasonably-sized loading coils as it isn't as
fat as the ex-Puckeridge wire, I will be making a new coil with it soon!

If you want some please get in touch and I'll measure it out and post it to
you. Remember that any monies will go to charity, I suggest about 10 to 20p
/ metre plus postage.

73

Dave G3YXM.

g3yxm@wireless.org.uk 




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Only very little EU activity today. Added Screenshot from DL3ZID and
G3XIZ to my website:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


The thunderstorms passed throught and no thunderstorms expected for
the next week, so I will listen (watch) for TA signals again tonight.


73
Hartmut

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Only traces from WD2XGJ 0120-0210UTC on 137.779.55 and a part of a "X"
from WD2XES 0135-0145UTC on 137.779.0/.2.

73
Hartmut

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I'll be attending a meeting of the RSGB Spectrum Forum on 9th June and plan
to raise concern over the recent appearance of the Loran at Rugby in the
agenda item concerning 136kHz.  I will need to draft something in the next
few days so any input on this or any other 136KHz issues, that people feel
might be worthwhile airing at this forum, would be appreciated.  In
particular measurements of noise-floor increase due to the new Loran would
be appreciated.

See http://www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/ for further info re the Forum

73 John, G3WKL





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Thanks Mike for raising awareness that nominations for this years award are
now sought.  I was away enjoying the Friedrichshafen Hamfest at the weekend
and didn't see until my return that the announcement had been made in
RadCom.  

Please send in nominations to me at g3wkl@btinternet.com by Monday 5th
September. Before sending please check the rules for the award on the link
provided by Mike below.  

The award will be given in the margins of one of the LF talks at HF2005, see

http://www.rsgb-hfc.org.uk/ for info about the programme, etc.

73 to all, especially those LFers seen at FH

John, G3WKL



> The CORRECT URL is:
> 
> http://www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/Nevadacup.htm
> 
> Mike, G3XDV




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John W Gould schrieb:

>73 to all, especially those LFers seen at FH
>
>John, G3WKL
>
>  
>
Hello John and everyone else who was "down there" in F'N -

Nice to have met you again, and many thanks to Stewart 'YSX for the 
interesting talk about the transporter. Hope you had a safe journey home 
and didn't get as many sunburns as I did (two days after the meeting)  ;-)

73, Wolf DL4YHF

(still thinking about how to lock the "software" LO for the complex FFT 
to a weak pilot tone to compensate "hardware" LO drift - more on that soon)


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In a message dated 27/06/2005 16:42:01 GMT Standard Time, 
jwgould@iee.org.uk writes:



  
I'll be attending a meeting of the RSGB Spectrum Forum on 9th June and 
  plan
to raise concern over the recent appearance of the Loran at Rugby in 
  the
agenda item concerning 136kHz.  I will need to draft something in 
  the next
few days so any input on this or any other 136KHz issues, that 
  people feel
might be worthwhile airing at this forum, would be 
  appreciated.  In
particular measurements of noise-floor increase due 
  to the new Loran would
be appreciated.

See 
  http://www.rsgb-spectrumforum.org.uk/ for further info re the Forum

73 
  John, G3WKL


Hi John.



  
I have started a complaint procedure with the operators 
BT.

  
I'll keep you in touch with developments.

  
 

  
Regards

  
 

  
David  G0MRF

  



 


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My antenna is supported by two masts, approx 50ft high.

One mast is two 25ft sections of aluminium. The lower 25ft is a thick-
walled pole. Raising and lowering is easy.

The other mast has a 20ft steel scaffold pole topped by several 5ft 
sections of thin-walled and deliberately flexible pole. The weight of 
the steel pole makes raising and lowering this mast a 2/3 person job.

I have searched the web for scaffolding and have found alumimium 
poles for building work, but I get the impression that an enquiry for 
just one or two poles will be laughed at. In any case, delivery costs 
could be high.

I would prefer to replace the steel pole with one section (or perhaps 
two) as it is supported by wall brackets, not guys, and there is a 
large unsupported section above it. The attached image shows the 
arrangement - the one I want to replace is the lower half of the 
house end.

How should I go about finding a suitable pole at a reasonable price, 
and getting it delivered?

Mike, G3XDV
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Hi Mike, I buy "Dural" (thick wall) alloy scaffold poles from the local SGB
(Scaffoldin Great Britain Ltd....see yellow pages) depot who will sell
single poles quite happily. The local 2-way radio supplier buys aerial poles
in that way for taxi aerials and other PMR installations. I used to have an
old Escort which still had a gutter so I had a pair of ladder-racks and
could put two poles on that. The over-hang required a red flag, or I put a
small trailer on the back to "cover " the over-hang. Delievery will cost but
drop in and talk because you might get one dropped off when a delivery is
passing as timeing is probably not important to you. The local depot staff
here are very helpful. You will probably be looking at about £2 a foot
including VAT these days.

The problem is that the longest scaffold pole is 6m nominal (about 20 feet)
The plus point is that 1.5inch diam thin-wall TV masting will slide inside
it. This stuff is not allow and will bend fairly easily being plain
aluminium, but it is easily "bent straight" again, using the scaffold pole.
Steel scaffold poles are cheaper but not worth the effort unless you get
them for free (I have two with a bend at the bottom, which was sawn off)  As
you say they are very heavy to errect for anyone who is not a fitness or
bodybuilding fanatic.

I am sure I dont need tell you but for others who may read this..... DONT
use scaffold joiners, they are not intended for this purpose. Instead use
"J-Beam" style sleeve couplers, they are sold by Barenco and, with generous
galvanising, last "forever". If you have a heavy lift, arrange the couplers
so that the pull is against the bolted flange, they can crumple at the
punched in "tube stop". I welded ribs over ours for field day pole aerials.
Barenco do a range of pivots and clamps in heavy galvanised steel, that can
be very usefull and ease the construction. I have no personal experience but
I have been told that whilst stainless steel hardware sounds a good idea,
stainless is much more brittle than mild steel and bolts for instance can
snap if they are over tightened, whereas mild steel bolts will stretch and
retain most of their strength. Useful stainless hardware, thimbles, eyes and
shackles, pulleys etc, can be obtained , in this area at least, from a
marina chandlery. Surprisingly these are very little more expensive than the
poor quality, made in China hardware that is available in the DIY stores.

I hope that helps a bit
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Dennison" 
To: 
Sent: 28 June 2005 15:39
Subject: LF: Buying poles in UK


> My antenna is supported by two masts, approx 50ft high.
>
> One mast is two 25ft sections of aluminium. The lower 25ft is a thick-
> walled pole. Raising and lowering is easy.
>
> The other mast has a 20ft steel scaffold pole topped by several 5ft
> sections of thin-walled and deliberately flexible pole. The weight of
> the steel pole makes raising and lowering this mast a 2/3 person job.
>
> I have searched the web for scaffolding and have found alumimium
> poles for building work, but I get the impression that an enquiry for
> just one or two poles will be laughed at. In any case, delivery costs
> could be high.
>
> I would prefer to replace the steel pole with one section (or perhaps
> two) as it is supported by wall brackets, not guys, and there is a
> large unsupported section above it. The attached image shows the
> arrangement - the one I want to replace is the lower half of the
> house end.
>
> How should I go about finding a suitable pole at a reasonable price,
> and getting it delivered?
>
> Mike, G3XDV
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Hi All at LF,

Antenna reconstuction finished (bathroom/showeroom also ccompleted), results
look promising, getting 1.9A antenna current with transmitter at 200 watts
DC input & my crude field strength meter is showing an increase over the
previous antenna, I have ditched the spiral top load in favour of an earlier
top loaded Marconi I tried out. Loading coil requires some slight
modification as I can't tune it to bottom of band. Please look out for my
random on air testing, reports will be welcome, I will attempt to notify of
any prolonged testing. I'm going to modify the coil now.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor



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Hi All,

Loading coil duly modified, can now load the antenna over the complete band.

Keep watching & listening.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

-----Original Message-----
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Loading coil requires some slight
modification as I can't tune it to bottom of band.





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Mike
>
> How should I go about finding a suitable pole at a reasonable price,
> and getting it delivered?

My solution to antenna mast material problems is to get to know your local
scrap metal dealer. Some dealers chop up tubing as they receive it - others
stack it against a wall in where they might get a better price for it in
long lengths. My local dealer actually weighs it and sells it at scrap
prices. I sell my unused stuff back to him!
It is also a useful source of copper wire and some of the material found
there can be a source of inspiration.

Unfortunately, this useful facility is being affected by the Health and
Safety lot.

Regards,
Peter, G3LDO

e-mail 

Web 

>





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I am writing a short chapter on using computers in amateur radio, for 
the new edition of the RSGB's Radio Communication Handbook.

This is about construction and not operating, and I am interested in 
what software is used by group members when designing building and 
testing amateur radio equipment, including antennas and not just for 
LF.

This includes any software that is still available, whether it is 
freeware or paid-for

Also, do you have favourite web sites or discussion groups to 
exchange technical (not operating) information?

Are there any other ways you use a computer to improve your ability 
to make radio gear?

Any help would be appreciated, thanks.

73
Mike, G3XDV
==========



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Greetings everyone,

Just found some interesting PDF's about HF designs, mixers, 
demodulators, receivers etc, at

http://www.wj.com/technotes/index.asp

Interesting reading, though some articles may be a bit old (and no, I 
don't work for that company).

Futhermore, just a reminder that SAQ makes transmissions with their 
historic 17.2 kHz transmitter the coming weekend. Got your mechanical 
receiver ready, Jim ? ;-)

Regards,
  Wolf DL4YHF .


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For filter design I use AADE Filter Design version 4.03

For circuit simulation I am looking at Linear Technology LTC Spice/SwitcherCAD III but don't claim to be competent yet.

73
John G3PAI

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 30/06/2005 at 10:25 Mike Dennison wrote:

>I am writing a short chapter on using computers in amateur radio, for 
>the new edition of the RSGB's Radio Communication Handbook.
>
>This is about construction and not operating, and I am interested in 
>what software is used by group members when designing building and 
>testing amateur radio equipment, including antennas and not just for 
>LF.
>
>This includes any software that is still available, whether it is 
>freeware or paid-for
>
>Also, do you have favourite web sites or discussion groups to 
>exchange technical (not operating) information?
>
>Are there any other ways you use a computer to improve your ability 
>to make radio gear?
>
>Any help would be appreciated, thanks.
>
>73
>Mike, G3XDV
>==========






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Old news perhaps but some of G4FGQ's free programs are very useful.

http://www.btinternet.com/~g4fgq.regp/

73
Johan SM6LKM


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I'm curious if anyone is using the new Icom 756 PRO III on LF and how it
performs?

Steve / VE7SL



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========================================
Message date : Jun 30 2005, 05:19 PM
From : "Steve McDonald" 
To : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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Subject : LF: 756 PRO III on LF?
I'm curious if anyone is using the new Icom 756 PRO III on LF and how it
performs?

Steve / VE7SL


Hi Steve,


My biggest disapointment was that the 756Pro111 will not transvert to 136 ! 


I thought it would because I found a manual on the Web which gave details for setting it up. But No ! and ICOM do not acknowledge the manual I found  they say that the 7800 will transvert so I guess that they intended it to but ran into a snag. Otherwise I find the 756 fine.


Laurie.


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Steve,

> I'm curious if anyone is using the new Icom 756 PRO III on LF and how it
> performs?

Lyle Kohler (K0LR)has used it, and liked it very much. His email address is
on his web site:
http://www.computerpro.com/~lyle/ , if you want to contact him directly. I
don't know if he monitors the LF mail lists these days.

John Andrews




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Dear OM's

For circuit simulation I use MicroCap III, student version, for years.
I bought it in a 2nd hand bookstore for about L3.50 together with the
instruction book.
 It was even possible to simulate oscillators, dissipation in LF and HF
power amplifiers, efficiency, etc.
 I can strongly recommend it.
  73 from Harry, PAoLQ.



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Dear LF Group,

The Rugby Loran still only seems to be operating "office hours" during
week-days at the moment. So far  this week, it seems to be transmitting
"single-rated" signals at the Lessay chain 6731 GRI - I am fairly sure it
was transmitting a "dual-rated" signal last week - can anyone confirm? At
least it reduces the noise level by a couple of dB...

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU



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Hi Jim,

I've been montoring it since it first came on and I haven't seen any 
dual-rating. It's only supposed to be a slave on 67310.

Walter.

----- Original Message ----- 
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> Dear LF Group,
>
> The Rugby Loran still only seems to be operating "office hours" during
> week-days at the moment. So far  this week, it seems to be transmitting
> "single-rated" signals at the Lessay chain 6731 GRI - I am fairly sure it
> was transmitting a "dual-rated" signal last week - can anyone confirm? At
> least it reduces the noise level by a couple of dB...
>
> Cheers, Jim Moritz
> 73 de M0BMU
> 



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> Otherwise I find the 756 
    fine.

    
Thanks Laurie. I was playing with a friend's new 
    756 PRO III (he won it at Dayton this year!!) and it seemed very nice down 
    below the BCB but he notices a rise of internal noise from around 250KHz 
    down to 50KHz. The noise is also visible on the scope as a rise in the rx 
    ambient noise floor. I take it that you don't have this problem with 
    yours?

  
Steve / VE7SL
    


    

    

    

    
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Dear group,
 
   Sorry for this slightly "off topic" posting since it's not strictly LF...

Can anyone confirm the *exact* frequency of DI2AG ?
I have tried to "calibrate" my TS-850S  near 440 kHz using the 28-th 
harmonic of 15.625 kHz (from ZDF TV), and -after that- found DI2AG 
somewhere near 440.043 kHz - with some uncertainty because the signal is 
rather weak here at the moment, and lots of QRN.

The strongest signal on 440 kHz, most likely NDB "DRE" from Poland here, 
seems to be precisely on 440.0000 kHz. There is another NDB 1.56 Hz 
above "DRE" but no idea which one.

The plan is to prepare a configuration for Spectrum Lab which logs the 
field strength of the beacon, along with the noise level and some of the 
NDB's in DI2AG's vincinity. For this task, knowledge of the precise 
frequencies would be helpful - Markus ? ;-)


73,
  Wolf  DL4YHF .


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To : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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> Otherwise I find the 756 fine.


Thanks Laurie. I was playing with a friend's new 756 PRO III (he won it at Dayton this year!!) and it seemed very nice down below the BCB but he notices a rise of internal noise from around 250KHz down to 50KHz. The noise is also visible on the scope as a rise in the rx ambient noise floor. I take it that you don't have this problem with yours?


Steve / VE7SL 






Hi  Steve


I use mine with a pre-amp so have not noticed any increase in noise. I will try to check it tomorrow and advise.


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Hi John:
Absolutely no trace of the signal on the "waterfall" and S9 noise
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