From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:27:09 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DS0QX-0004ge-Ia for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:27:09 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DS0Vd-00059f-Sp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:32:25 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.4] (helo=ptb-mxcore04.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DS0Vd-00059c-Q2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:32:25 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DS0T4-000379-54 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:29:46 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DS0Q9-0001Gz-S7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:26:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DS0Q9-0001Gq-HF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:26:45 +0100 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DS0Q8-0006g8-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:26:45 +0100 Received: (qmail 3701 invoked from network); 30 Apr 2005 22:26:40 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 30 Apr 2005 22:26:40 -0000 Message-ID: <002101c54dcb$4c8aecc0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 22:26:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Weekend WOLF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) MessageWD2XES will be back on 137.441 kHz tonight at 2300 UTC in WOLF mode, with 200 watts out. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:43:02 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DS0fu-0006HP-E4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:43:02 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DS0ft-0004fH-Lo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:43:02 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.78] (helo=pih-mxcore12.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DS0ft-0004fE-K1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:43:01 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DS0ft-00052F-G5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:43:01 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DS0fh-0001Nv-MM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:42:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DS0fh-0001Nm-65 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:42:49 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DS0fe-0006jE-Rp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:42:49 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@217.43.204.36 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 22:42:41 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:42:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcVN1eqnszLPA210Qa2gDG+lYJRdLg== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.196 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of picks.force9.co.uk Message-Id: Subject: LF: Grabber on Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) The grabber is on with Argo 90s on 137.777 ish and Wolf on 137.441 but static is bad tonight. http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ Dave G3YXM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:47:31 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DS0kF-0002bI-6b for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:47:31 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DS0pL-0009Df-Sk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:52:47 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.71] (helo=pih-mxcore05.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DS0pL-0009Dc-Pi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:52:47 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DS0kE-0002jY-JU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:47:30 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DS0k7-0001SA-Dh for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:47:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DS0k7-0001S1-2O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:47:23 +0100 Received: from smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.195]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DS0k3-0006lO-Kk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:47:23 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.155.82.156 with login) by smtp805.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 30 Apr 2005 22:47:12 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:47:25 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.195 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: Grabber on Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Cluster of T-storms over Cornwall and the Scillies. http://www.isleofwightweather.co.uk/live_storm_data.htm 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave Pick Sent: 30 April 2005 23:43 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Grabber on The grabber is on with Argo 90s on 137.777 ish and Wolf on 137.441 but static is bad tonight. http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ Dave G3YXM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:50:10 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DS0mo-0003QG-Tf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; 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Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:50:01 +0100 Received: from [194.97.50.144] (helo=mx1.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DS0md-0007ip-J4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 00:49:59 +0200 Received: from www16.emo.freenet-rz.de ([194.97.107.197]) by mx1.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 4.51 #8) id 1DS0md-0006oe-I7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 00:49:59 +0200 Received: from www-data by www16.emo.freenet-rz.de with local (Exim 4.34 1 (Panther_1)) id 1DS0mc-0007jz-Uj for ; Sun, 01 May 2005 00:49:59 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: dl4yhf@freenet.de X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 505770703 / 217.9.27.57 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 00:49:58 +0200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.155 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de X-Spam-Score: 2.9 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_50_60=0.095,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_12=1.473,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178,PRIORITY_NO_NAME=1.185 Subject: Re: LF: Weekend WOLF Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_08, HTML_MESSAGE,NO_REAL_NAME,PRIORITY_NO_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit MessageHi John,

Thanks for the activity. Tremendous noise (and QRN) here in Northern DL, but I keep watching - at least for some time (until I have to disconnect the antenna..) .
Good luck,
 Wolf  DL4YHF / DF0WD .


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MessageWD2XES will be back on 137.441 kHz tonight at 2300 UTC in WOLF mode, with 200 watts out. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com
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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 01 May 2005 04:51:46 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DS5Ug-0003uK-Gn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 04:51:46 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DS5Uf-0005eG-M6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 04:51:46 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.72] (helo=pih-mxcore06.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DS5Uf-0005eB-Je for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 04:51:45 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DS5Uf-0000zk-Dv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 04:51:45 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DS5U6-0003Zm-HX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 04:51:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DS5U6-0003Zd-5o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 04:51:10 +0100 Received: from bay102-f14.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.24] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DS5U4-00056N-MP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 04:51:10 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 30 Apr 2005 20:51:08 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.209 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 01 May 2005 03:51:08 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.209] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 19:51:08 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 May 2005 03:51:08.0466 (UTC) FILETIME=[01F47920:01C54E01] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.24 as permitted sender Subject: RE: LF: Grabber on Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Ive been mobile all of today on 137Khz and the noiz level fm tstorms out to my east has been bad all day - Presently in Southern Texas - Ill take a look for Eu from the car again later. XDW is still just about audible here on cw between cracks - not expecting much given the qrn Laurence KL1x/m nr houston- >From: "Dave Pick" >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: >Subject: LF: Grabber on >Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 23:42:41 +0100 > > >The grabber is on with Argo 90s on 137.777 ish and Wolf on 137.441 but >static is bad tonight. > >http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/ > >Dave G3YXM > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 01 May 2005 07:04:50 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DS7ZS-0005HN-L9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 07:04:50 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DS7ZR-0004Gd-8u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 07:04:50 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.73] (helo=pih-mxcore07.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DS7ZR-0004Ga-6y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 07:04:49 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DS7ZR-0005H8-2Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 07:04:49 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DS7Yy-0003sf-Pm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 07:04:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DS7Yy-0003sW-6P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 07:04:20 +0100 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DS7Yw-0005ND-Sk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 07:04:20 +0100 Received: from fwd35.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DS7Yw-0005X0-00; Sun, 01 May 2005 08:04:18 +0200 Received: from HW1 (ExVhy0ZD8eeTNyNIr+41HpMcha5ZAZq6yqCCN6+LOXppZyugqJ7pso@[84.133.68.202]) by fwd35.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1DS7Yt-0oWK6S0; Sun, 1 May 2005 08:04:15 +0200 Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 08:04:15 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1657784595.20050501080415@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: ExVhy0ZD8eeTNyNIr+41HpMcha5ZAZq6yqCCN6+LOXppZyugqJ7pso X-TOI-MSGID: 78a62175-e767-4c97-ac98-5a35e18abd93 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.80 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de Subject: LF: TA April 30/May 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) High QRN level last night. Copied VO1NA and WD2XES. Only traces from WD2XGJ on the QRSS30 screen. Nothing else copied. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 01 May 2005 09:31:52 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DS9rk-0007Y6-7G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:31:52 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DS9ri-00030t-PW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:31:52 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.71] (helo=pih-mxcore05.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DS9ri-00030q-Nq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:31:50 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DS9rh-00057S-Ch for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:31:50 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DS9rD-0004LR-BI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:31:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DS9rC-0004LI-U3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:31:18 +0100 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DS9rB-0005hn-FK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:31:18 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id l.1e4.3aa52b16 (18555) for ; Sun, 1 May 2005 04:31:06 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <1e4.3aa52b16.2fa5edca@aol.com> Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 04:31:06 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.2 as permitted sender Subject: Re: LF: TA April 30/May 1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Group,

all I can report tonight are a few traces from VO1NA, 03:00 to 03:30. Still lots of blue QRN on the colour DF, probably from the thunderstorms around England.

Have a nice sunday

Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 01 May 2005 09:42:46 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSA2I-0002QE-IU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:42:46 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DSA6s-000PfZ-Lx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:47:30 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.75] (helo=pih-mxcore09.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DSA6s-000PfW-Jl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:47:30 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSA2H-0007NO-G2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:42:45 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DSA28-0004RN-Ah for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:42:36 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DSA27-0004RE-Vj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:42:35 +0100 Received: from smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.203]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSA25-0005jS-J6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:42:35 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@81.155.82.133 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2005 08:42:27 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 09:42:43 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) In-Reply-To: <002101c54dcb$4c8aecc0$0500a8c0@charter.net> X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.203 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: LF: RE: Weekend WOLF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) No Wolf copy last night. Very high static levels here. 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of John Andrews Sent: 30 April 2005 22:27 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Weekend WOLF MessageWD2XES will be back on 137.441 kHz tonight at 2300 UTC in WOLF mode, with 200 watts out. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 01 May 2005 09:45:06 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSA4Y-00087F-6M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:45:06 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DSA4W-0004at-OC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:45:06 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.76] (helo=pih-mxcore10.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DSA4W-0004aq-MV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:45:04 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSA4W-00032t-IE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:45:04 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DSA4R-0004Vi-OX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:44:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DSA4R-0004VZ-CI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:44:59 +0100 Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.199]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSA4Q-0005kh-1G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 09:44:59 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@217.43.204.36 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 May 2005 08:44:52 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 09:44:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 Thread-Index: AcVOKDl7gbWHKVqVR6+y5DoJaGeqcwAAZl0g X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <1e4.3aa52b16.2fa5edca@aol.com> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.199 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of picks.force9.co.uk Message-Id: Subject: RE: LF: TA April 30/May 1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Dear all. Thunder storm actually passed over here at about 0200 so the noise was terrible. Traces of VO1NA but that was about it! Dave G3YXM ________________________________ From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of MarkusVester@aol.com Sent: 01 May 2005 09:31 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: TA April 30/May 1 Dear Group, all I can report tonight are a few traces from VO1NA, 03:00 to 03:30. Still lots of blue QRN on the colour DF, probably from the thunderstorms around England. Have a nice sunday Markus, DF6NM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 01 May 2005 11:58:37 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSC9l-0006Uu-Lt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 11:58:37 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DSC79-0008Qk-SO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 11:55:57 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.73] (helo=pih-mxcore07.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DSC79-0008Qh-Qg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 11:55:55 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSC79-0003Ln-MF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 11:55:55 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DSC6g-0004nh-ET for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 11:55:26 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DSC6d-0004nY-Sf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 11:55:23 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([216.148.227.89]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSC6c-00060N-G2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 11:55:23 +0100 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005050110543801400fk3nse>; Sun, 1 May 2005 10:54:43 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c54e3c$6d7add20$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1657784595.20050501080415@t-online.de> Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 06:56:23 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.148.227.89 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net Subject: LF: TA APR30/MAY1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Nil...high static levels for most of the period. Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 01 May 2005 19:15:03 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSIy7-0007rx-8z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 19:15:03 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DSIy5-0003Id-35 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 19:15:03 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.72] (helo=pih-mxcore06.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DSIy5-0003Ia-0s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 19:15:01 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSIy4-0003q8-SN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 19:15:00 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DSIxX-0005dg-OE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 19:14:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DSIxX-0005dX-8I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 19:14:27 +0100 Received: from sterling.noc-servers.net ([69.93.216.2]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSIxV-0006zH-Oo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 19:14:27 +0100 Received: from [192.55.122.100] (helo=w2ksn) by sterling.noc-servers.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.50) id 1DSIxT-00004w-D0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 14:14:23 -0400 Message-ID: <001801c54e79$bbc18b40$1101a8c0@w2ksn> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 11:15:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sterling.noc-servers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - scgroup.com X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 69.93.216.2 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of scgroup.com Subject: LF: Ham shows? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Hi all, I've been thinking about attending a ham show this year. Who among the LF crowd expects to be coming to Dayton? To Friedrichshafen? Thanks and 73, Stewart KK7KA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 01 May 2005 19:36:16 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSJIe-00072H-4h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 19:36:16 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DSJGg-0006KB-PM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 19:36:15 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.72] (helo=pih-mxcore06.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DSJGg-0006Jx-Fh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 19:34:14 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSJGg-00042j-9w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 19:34:14 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DSJGP-0005jj-Ml for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 19:33:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DSJGP-0005ja-4x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 19:33:57 +0100 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSJGN-00073I-Q8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 19:33:57 +0100 Received: from [194.97.50.135] (helo=mx2.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DSJGA-0003Zz-Ss for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 20:33:42 +0200 Received: from td9091d38.pool.terralink.de ([217.9.29.56] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx2.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51 #8) id 1DSJGA-0001fA-MS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 20:33:42 +0200 Message-ID: <42752113.2060705@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 01 May 2005 20:33:55 +0200 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001801c54e79$bbc18b40$1101a8c0@w2ksn> In-Reply-To: <001801c54e79$bbc18b40$1101a8c0@w2ksn> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de Subject: Re: LF: Ham shows? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Hi Stewart, I'll be in Friedrichshafen, like every year. Would be nice to meet other LF fellows there too ! Greetings all, Wolf(gang) DL4YHF . Stewart Nelson schrieb: >Hi all, > >I've been thinking about attending a ham show this year. >Who among the LF crowd expects to be coming to Dayton? >To Friedrichshafen? > >Thanks and 73, > >Stewart KK7KA > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 01 May 2005 22:23:20 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSLuK-0000jY-JA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 22:23:20 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DSLuI-0000U5-Vg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 22:23:20 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.77] (helo=pih-mxcore11.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DSLuI-0000U2-TY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 22:23:18 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSLuI-0006Il-Ol for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 01 May 2005 22:23:18 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DSLtX-000660-JT for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 22:22:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DSLtW-00065r-W3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 22:22:30 +0100 Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSLtV-0007TY-6M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 01 May 2005 22:22:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 23988 invoked from network); 1 May 2005 21:22:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 01 May 2005 21:22:25 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c54e8b$7dd10c40$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001801c54e79$bbc18b40$1101a8c0@w2ksn> <42752113.2060705@freenet.de> Date: Sun, 1 May 2005 21:22:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.74 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com Subject: LF: XES Sunday Night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Back in WOLF on 137.441 kHz at 2300 UTC, with 200 watts out. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 02 May 2005 06:26:16 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSTRg-0004yt-PV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 06:26:16 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DSTRf-000800-6v for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 06:26:16 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.74] (helo=pih-mxcore08.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DSTRf-0007zx-4D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 06:26:15 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSTRe-0007L1-Q1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 06:26:14 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DSTR9-0007u7-WF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 06:25:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DSTR9-0007ty-3P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 06:25:43 +0100 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSTR7-0008PC-LT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 06:25:43 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id l.62.542f7560 (4410) for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 01:25:33 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <62.542f7560.2fa713cc@aol.com> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 01:25:32 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.2 as permitted sender Subject: Re: LF: XES Sunday Night Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear LF,

only faint traces of XGJ and NA in Nuernberg 02:00 to 03:30, no copy of XES on 137441.

73 de Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 02 May 2005 09:00:26 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSVqr-0007eF-SF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 09:00:25 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DSVqp-0002mf-8s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 09:00:25 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.75] (helo=pih-mxcore09.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DSVqp-0002mc-60 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 09:00:23 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSVqp-0005Eq-1Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 09:00:23 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DSVqI-0008Ge-8y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 08:59:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DSVqH-0008GV-U1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 08:59:49 +0100 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSVqG-0000Kr-H6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 08:59:49 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@217.42.194.73 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 07:59:42 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 09:00:04 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001d01c54e8b$7dd10c40$0500a8c0@charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.201 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com Subject: LF: XES Sunday Night Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Nil copy in IO91RM last night. Keep trying! 73, Dave G3WCB -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of John Andrews Sent: 01 May 2005 21:22 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: XES Sunday Night Back in WOLF on 137.441 kHz at 2300 UTC, with 200 watts out. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 02 May 2005 10:33:36 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSXJ2-0004FC-5y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 10:33:36 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DSXIj-0001lz-Cg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 10:33:35 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.78] (helo=pih-mxcore12.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DSXIj-0001lw-AS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 10:33:17 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSXIj-0001Dm-1d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 10:33:17 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DSXIB-0008Ux-1I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 10:32:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DSXIA-0008Uo-Ll for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 10:32:42 +0100 Received: from fh1023.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.33] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSXI9-0000gS-6D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 10:32:42 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.208.80) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 42437A00007A9998 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 2 May 2005 09:32:35 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c54e1c$5e441c60$50d0fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2005 14:17:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: Re: RE: Weekend WOLF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave G3WCB" To: Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 9:42 AM Subject: LF: RE: Weekend WOLF > No Wolf copy last night. Very high static levels here. What has happened to the MAGIC of WOLF in noisy condx. CW would work and so would QRS 3 and a much more simple approach. de G3KEV > > 73, > > Dave G3WCB IO91RM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of John Andrews > Sent: 30 April 2005 22:27 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Weekend WOLF > > > MessageWD2XES will be back on 137.441 kHz tonight at 2300 UTC in WOLF mode, > with 200 watts out. > > John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch > WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 02 May 2005 18:27:12 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSehM-0000WG-2R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 18:27:12 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DSehJ-000686-B7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 18:27:11 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.71] (helo=pih-mxcore05.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DSehJ-000683-90 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 18:27:09 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSehJ-0000Vk-1r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 18:27:09 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DSegU-0000xX-Sk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 18:26:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DSegU-0000xO-5N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 18:26:18 +0100 Received: from defout.telus.net ([199.185.220.240] helo=priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSegR-0002FB-56 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 18:26:18 +0100 Received: from localhost ([204.209.205.55]) by priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20050502172555.RYYC5076.priv-edtnes46.telusplanet.net@localhost> for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 11:25:55 -0600 Received: from 204.174.12.18 ( [204.174.12.18]) as user sthed475@204.209.205.53 by webmail.telus.net with HTTP; Mon, 2 May 2005 10:25:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1115054755.427662a3c4a1c@webmail.telus.net> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 10:25:55 -0700 From: "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-Originating-IP: 204.174.12.18 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.240 as permitted sender Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Weekend WOLF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) > CW would work and so would QRS 3 and a much more simple approach. Unfortunately you'd be at the other end and we'd never hear the end of it... 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This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more here From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 02 May 2005 22:50:59 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSiod-0006S6-ML for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 22:50:59 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DSirK-000Jb6-Ec for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 22:53:46 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.75] (helo=pih-mxcore09.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DSirK-000Jb3-CC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 22:53:46 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSilu-00028R-9e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 22:48:10 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DSil1-0001a8-0u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 22:47:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DSil0-0001Zz-JN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 22:47:14 +0100 Received: from fmmailgate04.web.de ([217.72.192.242]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSiky-0003NA-5P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 22:47:14 +0100 Received: by fmmailgate04.web.de (8.12.10/8.12.10/webde Linux 0.7) with SMTP id j42LkF3G008476 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 2 May 2005 23:47:11 +0200 Received: from [217.248.191.120] by freemailng1804.web.de with HTTP; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:47:02 +0200 Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 23:47:02 +0200 Message-Id: <349380795@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.72.192.242 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of web.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Ham shows? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org schrieb am 01.05.05 20:18:23: > > Hi all, > > I've been thinking about attending a ham show this year. > Who among the LF crowd expects to be coming to Dayton? > To Friedrichshafen? > > Thanks and 73, > > Stewart KK7KA > > > Dear Stewart, many of us like me will be in Friedrichshafen and visit the long wave meeting. 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Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 02 May 2005 22:57:54 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSivK-0001Wa-9m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 22:57:54 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DSivJ-000351-Br for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 22:57:54 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.77] (helo=pih-mxcore11.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DSivJ-00034w-9W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 22:57:53 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSivJ-0007fh-5G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 22:57:53 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DSiv5-0001fw-Dv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 22:57:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DSiv5-0001fn-1u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 22:57:39 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSiv3-0003R4-MX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 22:57:39 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@217.43.204.36 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 2 May 2005 21:57:32 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 22:57:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcVOfKiDOULfzIpCQVWwEdqpPsY0QQA5SuQA In-Reply-To: <42752113.2060705@freenet.de> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.204 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of picks.force9.co.uk Message-Id: Subject: RE: LF: Ham shows? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) When is Friedrichshafen? 73 Dave G3YXM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Wolf DL4YHF Sent: 01 May 2005 19:34 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: Ham shows? Hi Stewart, I'll be in Friedrichshafen, like every year. Would be nice to meet other LF fellows there too ! Greetings all, Wolf(gang) DL4YHF . Stewart Nelson schrieb: >Hi all, > >I've been thinking about attending a ham show this year. >Who among the LF crowd expects to be coming to Dayton? >To Friedrichshafen? > >Thanks and 73, > >Stewart KK7KA > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 02 May 2005 23:04:50 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSj22-0003dp-Q2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:04:50 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DSiyx-0005sh-CI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:02:01 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.77] (helo=pih-mxcore11.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DSiyt-0005sM-Vt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:01:36 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSiyt-0000dW-KF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:01:35 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DSiyn-0001kV-SS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:01:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DSiyn-0001kM-H5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:01:29 +0100 Received: from mxfep04.bredband.com ([195.54.107.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSiym-0003T7-2w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:01:29 +0100 Received: from gx01.bredband.com ([83.227.223.61] [83.227.223.61]) by mxfep04.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20050502220122.GNHS10131.mxfep04.bredband.com@gx01.bredband.com> for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 00:01:22 +0200 Received: from gus5xj29kc6ell ([83.227.223.61]) by gx01.bredband.com with SMTP id <20050502215846.JIXI28601.gx01.bredband.com@gus5xj29kc6ell> for ; Mon, 2 May 2005 23:58:46 +0200 Message-ID: <006501c54f62$6bf7abf0$0302a8c0@gus5xj29kc6ell> From: "Gus Bassman" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 00:00:56 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.54.107.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of algonet.se Subject: Re: LF: Ham shows? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) And for how loong time ?? 73 / Gus SM6BHZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Pick" To: Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:57 PM Subject: RE: LF: Ham shows? > When is Friedrichshafen? > > 73 > Dave G3YXM > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Wolf DL4YHF > Sent: 01 May 2005 19:34 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: Re: LF: Ham shows? > > Hi Stewart, > > I'll be in Friedrichshafen, like every year. Would be nice to meet other > LF > fellows there too ! > > Greetings all, > Wolf(gang) DL4YHF . > > Stewart Nelson schrieb: > >>Hi all, >> >>I've been thinking about attending a ham show this year. >>Who among the LF crowd expects to be coming to Dayton? >>To Friedrichshafen? >> >>Thanks and 73, >> >>Stewart KK7KA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 02 May 2005 23:27:37 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSjO5-0002PN-FK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:27:37 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DSjTV-000P5M-Dt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:33:13 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.75] (helo=pih-mxcore09.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DSjTV-000P5D-9y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:33:13 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSjO4-0006n7-Rh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:27:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DSjNt-0001ry-1y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:27:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DSjNs-0001rp-Gc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:27:24 +0100 Received: from smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.199]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSjNq-0003ZZ-Dv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:27:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 29832 invoked from network); 2 May 2005 22:27:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.199) with ESMTP; 02 May 2005 22:27:19 -0000 Message-ID: <002101c54f5d$b9653e20$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1115054755.427662a3c4a1c@webmail.telus.net> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 22:27:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.199 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: WOLF Monday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) WD2XES will be running WOLF again tonight on 137.441 kHz, starting at 2300 UTC. For those who prefer CW, an ID will be sent as usual every 29 minutes. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 02 May 2005 23:54:47 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSjoN-0006vP-J1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:54:47 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DSjtn-0003qh-Fr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 00:00:23 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.77] (helo=pih-mxcore11.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DSjtn-0003qe-BK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 00:00:23 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSjoM-0001dm-Qv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:54:46 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DSjnu-0001yb-CP for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:54:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DSjnu-0001yS-1L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:54:18 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc14.comcast.net ([216.148.227.89]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSjns-0003fh-Is for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 02 May 2005 23:54:18 +0100 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc14) with SMTP id <2005050222540101400fk9kue>; Mon, 2 May 2005 22:54:01 +0000 Message-ID: <000d01c54f6a$0c004880$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1115054755.427662a3c4a1c@webmail.telus.net> <002101c54f5d$b9653e20$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 18:55:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.148.227.89 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: WOLF Monday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) JA > UTC. For those who prefer CW, an ID will be sent as usual every 29 minutes. That's good to know...and when it's too noisey for wolf the EU stations can always listen for your cw... Wonder if Mal is truly that ignorant or if he just enjoys getting way under people's skin. JR ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 5:27 PM Subject: LF: WOLF Monday > WD2XES will be running WOLF again tonight on 137.441 kHz, starting at 2300 > UTC. For those who prefer CW, an ID will be sent as usual every 29 minutes. > > John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch > WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 03 May 2005 00:29:06 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSkLZ-0007wK-O8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 00:29:05 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DSkLY-0001nF-7o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 00:29:05 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.71] (helo=pih-mxcore05.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DSkLY-0001n9-5F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 00:29:04 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSkLX-00024v-Te for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 00:29:03 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DSkLI-00027G-3y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 00:28:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DSkLH-000277-ME for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 00:28:47 +0100 Received: from m11.lax.untd.com ([64.136.30.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSkLF-0003ls-3M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 00:28:47 +0100 Received: from m11.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m11.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBHPP6SABR9F9J for (sender ); Mon, 2 May 2005 16:28:16 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewIBT37658SqK6Rkx6ZDDOJegLhW6HF4mtQ== Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m11.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KR2JUF7Z; Mon, 02 May 2005 16:27:43 PDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 19:02:53 -0400 Message-ID: <20050502.192719.2972.1.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-5,7-17 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com X-ContentStamp: 6:3:2499250846 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of juno.com designates 64.136.30.74 as permitted sender Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Weekend WOLF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) HAR Bob K3DJC On Mon, 2 May 2005 10:25:55 -0700 "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" writes: > > CW would work and so would QRS 3 and a much more simple approach. > > Unfortunately you'd be at the other end and we'd never hear the end > of it... > > Scott > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:06:09 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DStM1-0007kw-9A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 10:06:09 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DStQt-000FL6-Gv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 10:11:11 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.71] (helo=pih-mxcore05.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DStQt-000FL3-Ea for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 10:11:11 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DStM0-0007jh-2l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 10:06:08 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DStL9-0002iq-OU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 10:05:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DStL9-0002ih-EQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 10:05:15 +0100 Received: from mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.147]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DStL7-0005PS-7d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 10:05:15 +0100 Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050503090504.YUGU23939.mta204-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 21:05:04 +1200 Received: from mcalevey ([210.54.196.10]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050503090503.EAGM8463.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 21:05:03 +1200 Message-ID: <000201c54fbf$308445d0$0ac436d2@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <809825955.20050304180047@t-online.de> <000d01c54c56$2b8ebb80$5011f4cc@p1i5f0> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 21:04:21 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of xtra.co.nz designates 210.86.15.147 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: VE7 / Europe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Steve, I am available to run argo windows on 137.777 and 137.775 for a few nights. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 03 May 2005 14:04:29 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSx4f-0004YF-BT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 14:04:29 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DSxAB-0007bq-0M for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 14:10:11 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.74] (helo=pih-mxcore08.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DSxAA-0007bn-TP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 14:10:10 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSx4e-0006e3-HT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 14:04:28 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DSx44-0002zK-MJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 14:03:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DSx44-0002zB-BV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 14:03:52 +0100 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSx42-0006gE-TI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 14:03:52 +0100 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-146.fen-net.de [212.204.117.26]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j43D1gRU022552 for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 15:01:43 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <005d01c54fe0$f88bb060$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:06:50 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,HTML_60_70=0.027,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001 Subject: LF: HAMRADIO Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.5 required=5.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hallo, dear friends,
          the HAMRADIO fair in Friedrichshafen takes place from Friday, 24.6 to Sunday, 28.6.
The LF-fiends meet on Friday at 2PM in room "Oesterreich", I´ll give some information and results about the DI2AG-project (beacon on 440.044KHz).
73
Walter DJ2LF
        
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 03 May 2005 16:18:17 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSzA9-0004vO-H6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 16:18:17 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DSz5t-0002hE-NC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 16:18:17 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.75] (helo=pih-mxcore09.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DSz5t-0002hB-Kc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 16:13:53 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DSz5t-0008FL-D9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 16:13:53 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DSz5M-00039o-UD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 16:13:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DSz5H-00039f-H3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 16:13:15 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DSz5E-0007Hy-3c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 16:13:15 +0100 Received: from jsm (unknown [209.121.17.215]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id F21ECB76CD for ; Tue, 3 May 2005 08:12:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002601c54ff2$4846b300$d71179d1@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <809825955.20050304180047@t-online.de> <000d01c54c56$2b8ebb80$5011f4cc@p1i5f0> <000201c54fbf$308445d0$0ac436d2@mcalevey> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 08:09:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 208.181.178.5 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of gulfislands.com Subject: LF: Re: Re: VE7 / Europe Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Thanks Mike - I wil not be back on the island until Friday morning so the earliest I could run would be 0600Z -1300Z on the 7th. > Steve, > > I am available to run argo windows on 137.777 and 137.775 for a few nights. > > Mike ZL4OL > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 03 May 2005 19:13:15 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DT1tT-0006DX-N0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 19:13:15 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DT1tQ-0004vm-3J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; 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Tue, 3 May 2005 18:12:35 +0000 Message-ID: <000901c5500a$c4330460$46e5fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1115054755.427662a3c4a1c@webmail.telus.net> <002101c54f5d$b9653e20$0500a8c0@charter.net> <000d01c54f6a$0c004880$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 19:05:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: Re: Re: WOLF Monday Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 11:55 PM Subject: LF: Re: WOLF Monday > JA > > > UTC. For those who prefer CW, an ID will be sent as usual every 29 > minutes. > > That's good to know...and when it's too noisey for wolf the EU stations > can always listen for your cw... > > Wonder if Mal is truly that ignorant or if he just enjoys getting way > under people's skin. Let me give you an analogy Jay. I VOTE for CW and if pushed QRS 3 etc. You in this case VOTE for wolf and we are both entitled to have an opinion, and I do not insult your intellegence. If you VOTE in the USA for Democrat and I vote for Republician does that make me IGNORANT or getting under your SKIN. Lots of LF operators that I meet at Hamfests and Rallies agree with me. When it comes to opinions expressed on here the majority are sitting on the FENCE afraid they might offend someone, but speaking to them privately they express a different opinion. What is your observation? > > JR > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Andrews" > To: > Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 5:27 PM > Subject: LF: WOLF Monday > > > > WD2XES will be running WOLF again tonight on 137.441 kHz, starting at > 2300 > > UTC. For those who prefer CW, an ID will be sent as usual every 29 > minutes. > > > > John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch > > WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 03 May 2005 20:27:50 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DT33d-0002Te-VK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 20:27:49 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DT39B-00094x-VS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 20:33:33 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.4] (helo=ptb-mxcore04.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DT39B-00094u-SK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 20:33:33 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DT36R-00083U-CJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 20:30:43 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DT337-0003WF-Sv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 20:27:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DT337-0003W6-GX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 20:27:17 +0100 Received: from fh1022.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.32] helo=n064.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DT336-0008PP-1u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 20:27:17 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.228.62) by n064.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 4243758700875C4B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 3 May 2005 19:27:14 +0000 Message-ID: <001701c55015$3242c8a0$3ee4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <1115054755.427662a3c4a1c@webmail.telus.net> Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 20:20:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.32 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Weekend WOLF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.1 required=5.0 tests=MAILTO_TO_SPAM_ADDR autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" To: Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 6:25 PM Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Weekend WOLF > > CW would work and so would QRS 3 and a much more simple approach. > > Unfortunately you'd be at the other end and we'd never hear the end of it... > > Scott Hi Scott. I hope you make it across to EU in the foreseeable future. There is a good chance I will be able to copy your signals. The antenna system here has been refurbished and consists of a vertical loop 100 ft high and 300 ft horizontal, total area 30,000 sq ft hanging between two towers out in the clear, no trees in the way, and parallel resonated on 137 khz. Loop direction E/W and should be good in your direction. The other antenna is vertical at 120 ft max and consists of 5 inv L antennas each one 120 ft vert and over 400 ft horiz. They all converge at the bottom of the tower to a 50ohm matching arrangement and piped to the shack some 150 ft away. I think you should also hear me given a good tail wind. If you would like to try a QSO let me know, preferably on CW or QRS although I can work all of the other popular modes if pushed. 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 03 May 2005 21:27:30 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DT3zO-0001yJ-2Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 21:27:30 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DT3yN-0007Au-86 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 21:27:23 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.75] (helo=pih-mxcore09.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DT3yJ-0007Aj-FX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 21:26:25 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DT3yJ-000408-9T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 03 May 2005 21:26:23 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DT3y1-0003ei-Ud for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 21:26:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DT3y1-0003eZ-Jc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 21:26:05 +0100 Received: from smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.199]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DT3xx-0000Bb-Vr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 03 May 2005 21:26:05 +0100 Received: (qmail 15830 invoked from network); 3 May 2005 20:25:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.199) with ESMTP; 03 May 2005 20:25:58 -0000 Message-ID: <007a01c5501f$fcb92ed0$8d01a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 16:37:55 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.199 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com Subject: LF: Jan-Martin Noding, LA8AK, SK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) All, According to a message in another group, Jan-Martin, LA8AK, has passed away. More info at: http://www.agder.net/la8ak/ John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 04 May 2005 11:38:58 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTHHN-0002B8-IT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 May 2005 11:38:57 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DTHGu-0007TH-5S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 May 2005 11:38:57 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.4] (helo=ptb-mxcore04.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DTHGu-0007TC-3d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 May 2005 11:38:28 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTHJl-0006Tv-IW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 May 2005 11:41:26 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DTHFg-0004SG-20 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 11:37:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DTHFf-0004S7-Na for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 11:37:11 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTHFe-0003U8-AN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 11:37:11 +0100 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005050410365301400kot5qe>; Wed, 4 May 2005 10:37:03 +0000 Message-ID: <009801c55095$64bbb6e0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 06:38:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.148.227.85 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net Subject: LF: TA May 03/04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Nothing seen...but I don't believe anyone was transmitting... Noticed CFH was quite strong on the DF6NM grabber around 0300Z and static levels were fairly low here last night leading me to believe it would have been a good TA night. If anyone is interested in continuing TA activity during the upcoming period please contact me directly and I'll advise in advance whether Tstorm static levels look favorable or not. Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 04 May 2005 19:26:47 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTOa7-0005Tj-8P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 May 2005 19:26:47 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DTOfo-000Nme-W4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 May 2005 19:32:41 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.74] (helo=pih-mxcore08.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DTOfo-000Nmb-Tx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 May 2005 19:32:40 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTOa6-0005TD-Og for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 May 2005 19:26:46 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DTOZI-0004vc-SL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 19:25:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DTOZI-0004vT-EN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 19:25:56 +0100 Received: from mailout01.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.80]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTOZH-0005wN-5a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 19:25:56 +0100 Received: from fwd30.aul.t-online.de by mailout01.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DTOZG-0001w5-01; Wed, 04 May 2005 20:25:54 +0200 Received: from (bKig-eZ6webebnxEl3f++pu1VrZpBu3phZaJDaAyMb0ToO0d1vkEEt@[217.251.191.177]) by fwd30.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1DTOZ8-0FbO3U0; Wed, 4 May 2005 20:25:46 +0200 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009801c55095$64bbb6e0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 20:25:46 +0200 Message-ID: <1DTOZ8-0FbO3U0@fwd30.sul.t-online.de> X-ID: bKig-eZ6webebnxEl3f++pu1VrZpBu3phZaJDaAyMb0ToO0d1vkEEt X-TOI-MSGID: f969e513-1128-4f61-a9fd-9ecdbf6b2fa9 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.80 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516,FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS=1.492 Subject: Re: LF: TA May 03/04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.4 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS, FROM_STARTS_WITH_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Jay Rusgrove schrieb: > Nothing seen...but I don't believe anyone was transmitting... > > Noticed CFH was quite strong on the DF6NM grabber around 0300Z and > static levels were fairly low here last night leading me to believe it > would have been a good TA night. > > If anyone is interested in continuing TA activity during the upcoming > period please contact me directly and I'll advise in advance whether > Tstorm static levels look favorable or not. > > Jay, W1VD > > Hi Jay, we could arrange it on this rerflector as well: provided that the "good TA nights" will last, DJ8WX will be on the air this nite (135,9222.. , ORSS60, 1W ERP). regards Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 04 May 2005 19:37:26 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTOkQ-0005Tb-Aw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; 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Wed, 04 May 2005 19:37:13 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@213.122.193.154 with login) by smtp813.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 May 2005 18:37:06 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c550d8$3fca2ea0$9ac17ad5@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <007a01c5501f$fcb92ed0$8d01a8c0@JKA> Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 19:36:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.203 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Jan-Martin Noding, LA8AK, SK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Dear LF group, Very sad news, and long before his time. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: John Andrews To: Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: LF: Jan-Martin Noding, LA8AK, SK > All, > > According to a message in another group, Jan-Martin, LA8AK, has passed away. > More info at: http://www.agder.net/la8ak/ > > John Andrews > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 04 May 2005 23:16:41 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTSAb-0007Ym-JF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 May 2005 23:16:41 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DTSAa-0004iS-Px for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 May 2005 23:16:41 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.78] (helo=pih-mxcore12.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DTSAa-0004iJ-Nk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 May 2005 23:16:40 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTSAa-0005JE-Gb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 04 May 2005 23:16:40 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DTSA7-0005Gw-KJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 23:16:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DTSA7-0005Gn-8l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 23:16:11 +0100 Received: from sccrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.202.64]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTSA5-0007Fb-QS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 04 May 2005 23:16:11 +0100 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005050422154801600dsmd0e>; Wed, 4 May 2005 22:15:58 +0000 Message-ID: <004101c550f7$05a87f00$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <009801c55095$64bbb6e0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> <1DTOZ8-0FbO3U0@fwd30.sul.t-online.de> Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 18:17:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.202.64 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net Subject: Re: LF: TA May 03/04 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Uwe Glad to hear you will be transmitting tonight. Also heard from Brian that he is planning to be on. The Kp and DST don't look too bad...success will likely depend on static levels. A large area of Tstorms over Florida might be a problem. Making TA arrangements via the reflector or direct is fine with me. Jay, W1VD ----- Original Message ----- From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: Re: LF: TA May 03/04 > Jay Rusgrove schrieb: > > Nothing seen...but I don't believe anyone was transmitting... > > > > Noticed CFH was quite strong on the DF6NM grabber around 0300Z and > > static levels were fairly low here last night leading me to believe it > > would have been a good TA night. > > > > If anyone is interested in continuing TA activity during the upcoming > > period please contact me directly and I'll advise in advance whether > > Tstorm static levels look favorable or not. > > > > Jay, W1VD > > > > > Hi Jay, > > we could arrange it on this rerflector as well: > provided that the "good TA nights" will last, DJ8WX will be on the air this nite > (135,9222.. , ORSS60, 1W ERP). > > regards > Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 05 May 2005 07:05:43 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTZUV-0005FQ-LD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 07:05:43 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DTZUV-0006bk-7n for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 07:05:43 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.73] (helo=pih-mxcore07.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DTZUV-0006bh-5m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 07:05:43 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTZUU-0006L8-Se for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 07:05:43 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DTZTg-0005oa-8L for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 07:04:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DTZTf-0005oR-Sv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 07:04:51 +0100 Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.84]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTZTc-0000BU-En for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 07:04:51 +0100 Received: from fwd24.aul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DTZTb-0007a6-00; Thu, 05 May 2005 08:04:47 +0200 Received: from HW1 (SOn1EgZ1ref7U0YcJ5ijP+QQGSrMr2dgSirBKFpJz9QFgHZIuIw26U@[84.133.67.52]) by fwd24.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1DTZTT-0WgtUm0; Thu, 5 May 2005 08:04:39 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 08:04:36 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <372602365.20050505080436@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: SOn1EgZ1ref7U0YcJ5ijP+QQGSrMr2dgSirBKFpJz9QFgHZIuIw26U X-TOI-MSGID: 34f97750-1db4-456c-b999-0c8ea70dc9d2 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.84 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de Subject: LF: UNID Sawtooth on 137.7756/8 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------080208060203070702030904" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080208060203070702030904 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Last Night I captured an UNID sawtooth between 137.7756/8 kHz. The signal was visible the whole night and faded at local sunrise as seen in the attachment. Who was this? 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from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTj3x-0003L1-OW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 17:18:57 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DTiz6-0006Sh-EC for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 17:13:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DTiz5-0006SQ-NQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 17:13:55 +0100 Received: from fh1023.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.33] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTiz5-000323-1s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 17:13:55 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.204.140) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 42437A00008831BC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 5 May 2005 16:13:47 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c55170$659b7100$8cccfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:45:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: Re : tests. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re : tests. > Hi Mal & LF, > > I am using the G0MRF 300 watt Tx but since blowing several PA mosfets I > decided to carry out the M0BMU PA mods using the original toroid & I can now > run a cool PA up to 650 watts into dummy load bench testing. I put it on air > into antenna & started with 280 watts & on following tests gradually > increased to 420 watts (still cool) with antenna current up to 2.3 Amps it > was at this time I got corona/arcing on the spiral top load so I stopped > tests until I have the time to lower the mast & carry out a visual > inspection of the area of arcing so as to effect a cure. I suspect that I > may have too little clearance between the spiral & the metal fixing > hardware, an inspection will be carried when work & family permit. > > Regards, > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > Hi Gary. I have found soak testing into a dummy load different to loading into the resonant antenna. The antenna is more critical and tricky and seems more of a problem using high voltage low current than low voltage high current. I built my tx a few years ago when 136 khz became available, it was the low V type and it worked well over the years but recently tried different hi spec FETS 23A/600V. I ran it up to 50v at 20a but it does not appear to be as stable as the low voltage tx. I think others might have experienced this also. How does the phase meter work that you built. I have a couple of nice meters here that would be suitable and hope to build one. One thing I do need are some diodes. If you have any spare from your project and want to sell a few let me know. I have everything else. 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 05 May 2005 17:14:57 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTj05-0001qx-5l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 17:14:57 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DTj04-0004eP-Ld for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 17:14:56 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DTj04-0004eM-Jh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 17:14:56 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTj3y-0003Lj-Cd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 17:18:58 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DTiz6-0006Sg-BO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 17:13:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DTiz5-0006SO-JO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 17:13:55 +0100 Received: from fh1023.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.33] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTiz5-000324-1t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 17:13:55 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.204.140) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 42437A00008831B7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 5 May 2005 16:13:44 +0000 Message-ID: <001101c55170$645360a0$8cccfc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 13:36:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: Decca rx Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
If anyone needs spares for the Decca RX MK 53, I have a large box full. LCD digital display units etc, all new boxed.
All free no charge.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 05 May 2005 19:28:19 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTl59-00071n-L5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:28:19 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DTl58-0000Ko-Q0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:28:19 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.4] (helo=ptb-mxcore04.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DTl58-0000Kl-NE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:28:18 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTl88-00011j-Eu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:31:24 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DTl4e-0006gk-B4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:27:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DTl4d-0006gb-T1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:27:47 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.47]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTl4d-0003mg-GL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 19:27:47 +0100 Received: from dsl-80-43-29-6.access.as9105.com ([80.43.29.6]:2627 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-8.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DTl4Y-000Luf-2U for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 18:27:42 +0000 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 20:28:03 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001201c55170$659b7100$8cccfc3e@l8p8y6> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.74.114.47 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tiscali.co.uk Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re : tests. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Hi Mal, It was a while ago I sent that e-mail & still havn't got round to sorting the 136 antenna although I am part way there as I have started constructing a 5 spoke spiral (larger diameter than the previous 4 spoke spiral) so as to be able to "basket weave" the spiral. I did some experiments in a smaller test format & found that there was more inductance with basket weave arrangement over the double spiral when using the same amount of wire. It is true about the dummy load versus antenna situation but it did enable me to bench test the modified PA first. Jim's phase meter is an excellent device for LF & as Jim pointed out it can be used at the transmitter or antenna end without any differences in readings so it is great for setting up the tuning remotely from the shack (I have my variometer motorised). By the way Mal, I did modify my LF antenna loading coil in the way you suggested some while ago & was able to get a very good match. I don't have any spare diodes, I purchased my BAT85's from CPC Plc in Preston (part of the Farnell Group) so you should be able to get the BAT85's over your side of Pennines from Farnell (they were 27 pence each). I have recently been stripping out the bathroom & I am almost finished tiling & refitting (it's been 20 years since that room was touched) so I hope soon to be able to devote more time to the hobby. Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of hamilton mal Sent: 05 May 2005 13:45 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Re: RE: Re: Re : tests. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:48 PM Subject: LF: RE: Re: Re : tests. > Hi Mal & LF, > > I am using the G0MRF 300 watt Tx but since blowing several PA mosfets I > decided to carry out the M0BMU PA mods using the original toroid & I can now > run a cool PA up to 650 watts into dummy load bench testing. I put it on air > into antenna & started with 280 watts & on following tests gradually > increased to 420 watts (still cool) with antenna current up to 2.3 Amps it > was at this time I got corona/arcing on the spiral top load so I stopped > tests until I have the time to lower the mast & carry out a visual > inspection of the area of arcing so as to effect a cure. I suspect that I > may have too little clearance between the spiral & the metal fixing > hardware, an inspection will be carried when work & family permit. > > Regards, > > Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp > Hi Gary. I have found soak testing into a dummy load different to loading into the resonant antenna. The antenna is more critical and tricky and seems more of a problem using high voltage low current than low voltage high current. I built my tx a few years ago when 136 khz became available, it was the low V type and it worked well over the years but recently tried different hi spec FETS 23A/600V. I ran it up to 50v at 20a but it does not appear to be as stable as the low voltage tx. I think others might have experienced this also. How does the phase meter work that you built. I have a couple of nice meters here that would be suitable and hope to build one. One thing I do need are some diodes. If you have any spare from your project and want to sell a few let me know. I have everything else. 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 05 May 2005 20:41:15 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTmDi-0001l7-VL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 20:41:14 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DTmIw-000LbK-CL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 20:46:38 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.73] (helo=pih-mxcore07.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DTmIw-000LbG-97 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 20:46:38 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTmDi-00006z-81 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 20:41:14 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DTmD9-0006nV-Qm for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 20:40:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DTmD9-0006nM-Fp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 20:40:39 +0100 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTmD8-0004IA-0E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 20:40:39 +0100 Received: (qmail 2370 invoked from network); 5 May 2005 19:40:34 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 05 May 2005 19:40:34 -0000 Message-ID: <001301c551ac$007e7740$8d01a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 15:52:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: XES Tonight? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) XES has been off for a couple of days. Is anyone interested in copying WOLF tonight? Any other suggestion? John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 05 May 2005 22:15:10 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTngc-00020t-8N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 22:15:10 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DTnlq-000HEL-7y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 22:20:34 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.78] (helo=pih-mxcore12.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DTnlq-000HEI-3v for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 22:20:34 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTngb-0003K5-LG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 05 May 2005 22:15:09 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DTng5-0006wQ-Tx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 22:14:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DTng5-0006wH-JP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 22:14:37 +0100 Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.202]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTng2-0004v6-8e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 05 May 2005 22:14:37 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.161.188 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 May 2005 21:14:28 -0000 Message-ID: <003d01c551b7$73822060$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 22:14:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.202 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Solar Min....maybe ?? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This might prove interesting to DX addicts. there is an intersting plot for the last three cycles. NASA Science News for May 5, 2005 With solar minimum near, the sun continues to be surprisingly active. FULL STORY at http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2005/05may_solarmyth.htm?list50675 Have fun Alan G3NYK From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 May 2005 04:54:56 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTtvT-0001JI-OI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 04:54:55 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DTtvR-0000zC-KF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 04:54:54 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.73] (helo=pih-mxcore07.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DTtvR-0000z7-Gv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 04:54:53 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTtvR-0004OC-Cy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 04:54:53 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DTtur-0007dD-NN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 04:54:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DTtur-0007d4-Bs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 04:54:17 +0100 Received: from outbound01.telus.net ([199.185.220.220] helo=priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTtup-0006i3-8o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 04:54:17 +0100 Received: from localhost ([199.185.220.240]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20050506035356.EVWT14016.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@localhost> for ; Thu, 5 May 2005 21:53:56 -0600 Received: from 209.239.11.66 ( [209.239.11.66]) as user sthed475@192.168.200.1 by webmail.telus.net with HTTP; Thu, 5 May 2005 20:53:55 -0700 Message-ID: <1115351635.427aea53f0971@webmail.telus.net> Date: Thu, 5 May 2005 20:53:55 -0700 From: "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001301c551ac$007e7740$8d01a8c0@JKA> In-Reply-To: <001301c551ac$007e7740$8d01a8c0@JKA> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-Originating-IP: 209.239.11.66 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.220 as permitted sender Subject: Re: LF: XES Tonight? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) John I'll be active from my Dad's QTH on RX in the next couple of days... I'm putting up a large single turn loop for the week here... If you're on maybe I can give you a new RX grid :) Scott Quoting John Andrews : > XES has been off for a couple of days. Is anyone interested in copying WOLF > tonight? Any other suggestion? > > John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 May 2005 10:14:30 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTyuk-0005Qc-Fn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 10:14:30 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DTyuj-00063t-Vx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 10:14:30 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.4] (helo=ptb-mxcore04.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DTyuj-00063q-TW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 10:14:29 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DTyxn-0003AP-5J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 10:17:39 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DTyu0-0008A8-6f for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 10:13:44 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DTytz-00089z-LN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 10:13:43 +0100 Received: from imo-m17.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.207]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTytx-0007jx-Vp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 10:13:43 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m17.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id l.198.3e7b280c (3924) for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 05:13:31 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <198.3e7b280c.2fac8f3a@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 05:13:30 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.138.207 as permitted sender Subject: LF: Two Eu sigs May 5/6 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030706090505010402010608" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030706090505010402010608 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Dear Group,

this screenshot from 03:00 shows DJ8WX in blue on 135922.22 and an unid green signal on 923.50. Judging by frequency, direction and strength this looks very much like CT1DRP - but what was the modulation used? The symmetrical blur with 0.125 Hz spaced lines resembles QRSS-8, but I failed to find the gaps in the faster spectrogram. So my guess is PSK at 8 seconds per bit, with a 15 or 16 bit message repeated every 3 minutes.

Any clues?

73 de Markus, DF6NM
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ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DU02D-0008Mv-CS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 11:26:17 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DTzyI-0008NB-Jx for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 11:22:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DTzyI-0008N2-5q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 11:22:14 +0100 Received: from imo-m24.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.5]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DTzyG-00087v-Jv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 11:22:14 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m24.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id l.1c3.281b4731 (3924) for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 06:22:03 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: <1c3.281b4731.2fac9f4b@aol.com> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 06:22:03 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.5 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_10_20=0.295,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: LF: Grabber: Antenna and Upload Problems Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear LF screen grabber users,

some of you may have noticed a change in the appearence of the screenshots at
http://members.aol.com/df6nm/Grabber.htm . For reasons of lightning safety, I do not dare to continuously leave my transmit antenna up above our house during the summer months. Instead, I have strung a thin piece of wire halfway up a tree as a passive, receive only E-field probe, located in a corner of the garden near the H-field loops. It is series-resonated by ~12 mH, coupled to the 50 ohm receiver cable via a 3:1 isolation transformer, and grounded to the nearby wire-mesh fence.

Unfortunately performance is not quite up to the old standards because, like the loops, it receives a lot of SMPS noises from the neighbours. I searched for the source of the noise but couldn't locate anything like a radiating buried cable. My hypothesis is now that the noise may actually be carried by distributed conduction currents in the ground, which are fed from the power grid through the separate earth connections of the neighbouring houses.

Another effect which was sort of expected is that the "summer antenna" is much more sensitive to moisture; when it is raining the colour of SXV goes from orange to greenish. I hope to improve that by using even stronger overcoupling, i.e. going to a higher load impedance than 450 ohms.

After many months of successful operation, since about three weeks ago, at least one of the three hourly updates fails due to some ftp problem at members.aol.com. Up to now, neither AOL's email helpdesk nor their telephone hotline could be bothered to fix or even analyze the problem. There seemed to be a couple of times when my site couldn't be reached for http downloads either. If you are experiencing persistent problems accessing the grabber, please report by email to me directly.

73 and have a good time

Markus, DF6NM
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 May 2005 12:09:47 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DU0iJ-0000xJ-99 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:09:47 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DU0oH-0005vX-MC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:15:57 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.77] (helo=pih-mxcore11.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DU0oH-0005vU-Io for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:15:57 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DU0iI-0008NY-JO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:09:46 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DU0i4-0008Tr-IU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:09:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DU0i3-0008Ti-T7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:09:31 +0100 Received: from smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net ([212.135.6.13]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DU0i2-0008KO-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:09:31 +0100 Received: from bb-195-172-51-221.ukonline.co.uk ([195.172.51.221] helo=erica) by smarthost3.mail.uk.easynet.net with smtp (Exim 4.10) id 1DU0i0-000F1L-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:09:28 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01c5522c$99ae41e0$dd33acc3@erica> From: "g3ldo" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001301c551ac$007e7740$8d01a8c0@JKA> <1115351635.427aea53f0971@webmail.telus.net> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 12:12:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.135.6.13 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ukonline.co.uk X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Testing Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) On broadband at last. Just testing router on Email Peter, G3LDO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 May 2005 12:50:43 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DU1Lu-0006Wz-VZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:50:43 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DU1Rt-000HD5-Dy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:56:53 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.76] (helo=pih-mxcore10.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DU1Rt-000HD2-BR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:56:53 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DU1Lu-00089h-0L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:50:42 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DU1LP-00008t-Kz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:50:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DU1LP-00008k-6B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:50:11 +0100 Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DU1LM-0008VI-QS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 12:50:11 +0100 Received: (qmail 29698 invoked from network); 6 May 2005 11:50:03 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 06 May 2005 11:50:03 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c55229$5f3d0b20$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001301c551ac$007e7740$8d01a8c0@JKA> <1115351635.427aea53f0971@webmail.telus.net> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 11:50:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.74 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: XES Tonight? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Scott, XES will be running in WOLF for the next three nights on 137.441 kHz. Have fun! John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 May 2005 21:39:09 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DU9bJ-0006Ow-7C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 21:39:09 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DU9gf-0000uc-Ft for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 21:44:41 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.72] (helo=pih-mxcore06.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DU9gf-0000uZ-Di for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 21:44:41 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DU9bI-0007ly-I4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 21:39:08 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DU9aO-0000bk-Ao for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 21:38:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DU9aN-0000bb-Og for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 21:38:11 +0100 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DU9aM-0002kN-CE for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 21:38:11 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO aquarids) (ganymede444@217.42.60.208 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 May 2005 20:38:04 -0000 From: "Dave G3WCB" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 21:38:11 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0) Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001d01c55229$5f3d0b20$0500a8c0@charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.201 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS=0.516 Subject: RE: LF: XES Tonight? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=FROM_ENDS_IN_NUMS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) John, What will be your start time? 73, Dave G3WCB IO91RM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of John Andrews Sent: 06 May 2005 11:50 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: Re: LF: XES Tonight? Scott, XES will be running in WOLF for the next three nights on 137.441 kHz. Have fun! John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 May 2005 22:13:03 +0100 Received: from [192.168.71.7] (helo=pih-spamcore03.plus.net) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUA87-0007Hq-Iv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 22:13:03 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUA2l-0008VF-P6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 22:07:32 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.76] (helo=pih-mxcore10.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUA2l-0008VC-NE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 22:07:31 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUA2l-0007jA-Hm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 22:07:31 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUA2Z-0000gy-47 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 22:07:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUA2Y-0000gp-QP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 22:07:18 +0100 Received: from mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.145]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUA2W-0002rY-Kg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 22:07:18 +0100 Received: from pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050506210708.MTK28243.mta202-rme.xtra.co.nz@pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 09:07:08 +1200 Received: from mcalevey ([210.54.197.37]) by pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050506210702.CQMR16943.pop2-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 09:07:02 +1200 Message-ID: <000001c5527f$8dae1ed0$25c536d2@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001301c551ac$007e7740$8d01a8c0@JKA> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 09:06:14 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of xtra.co.nz designates 210.86.15.145 as permitted sender Subject: LF: XDW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Patchy copy of XDW around 1000utc last night. Mike ZL4OL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 06 May 2005 22:39:12 +0100 Received: from [192.168.71.3] (helo=ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUAXQ-00053L-Ha for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 22:39:12 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUAS4-000621-AB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 22:33:40 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUAS4-00061y-8U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 22:33:40 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUAVS-00035R-7Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 06 May 2005 22:37:10 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUARp-0000m6-BG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 22:33:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUARo-0000lx-Sh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 22:33:24 +0100 Received: from bay102-f9.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.19] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUARn-00030z-D8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 06 May 2005 22:33:24 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 May 2005 14:33:17 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.206 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 May 2005 21:33:16 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.206] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <000001c5527f$8dae1ed0$25c536d2@mcalevey> From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 13:33:16 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 06 May 2005 21:33:17.0163 (UTC) FILETIME=[3748ABB0:01C55283] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.19 as permitted sender Subject: RE: LF: XDW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Thanks Mike - dont think we would have seen propagation with the short nights coming in fast. Must be due to "enhanced squirrel propagation" I had eight (8) sitting on the horizontal section of the loop at about 10Z - I dont know why they were there in the middle of the night but might have been the fact they were avoiding the sprinkler system that was watering the garden under the loop then. I was backed off at around 800W output last night as Im fed up with the 20A house breaker tripping. Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq okalhoma >From: "McAlevey" >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: >Subject: LF: XDW >Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 09:06:14 +1200 > >Patchy copy of XDW around 1000utc last night. > >Mike ZL4OL > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 00:43:09 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUCTN-0006Xw-1Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 00:43:09 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUCTK-0003N8-57 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 00:43:08 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.74] (helo=pih-mxcore08.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUCTJ-0003N0-Db for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 00:43:05 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUCTJ-0004iX-0T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 00:43:05 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUCSl-0000wg-89 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 00:42:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUCSk-0000wX-TQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 00:42:30 +0100 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUCSi-0003Vu-Gw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 00:42:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 11329 invoked from network); 6 May 2005 23:35:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 06 May 2005 23:35:45 -0000 Message-ID: <002001c5528b$f4adf4a0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 23:35:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com Subject: Re: LF: XES Tonight? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Dave, Sorry for the delay, just got home. XES is on as of 2330, on 137.441 with WOLF. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 02:30:06 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUE8s-0002Kg-5K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 02:30:06 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DUEEG-000MnI-CI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 02:35:40 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.72] (helo=pih-mxcore06.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DUEEG-000MnF-9g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 02:35:40 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUE8r-0002KY-Lu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 02:30:05 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUE8J-00017L-0O for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 02:29:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUE8I-00017C-Fh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 02:29:30 +0100 Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUE8G-000404-Sf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 02:29:30 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j471TDci003913 for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 20:29:13 -0500 Message-ID: <427C19F8.4030101@genesiswireless.us> Date: Fri, 06 May 2005 20:29:28 -0500 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: we0h@genesiswireless.us X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 63.171.43.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of genesiswireless.us X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: XDW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Time to pull some 10ga wire in the wall... Mike Laurence KL1X wrote: > Thanks Mike - dont think we would have seen propagation with the short > nights coming in fast. > > Must be due to "enhanced squirrel propagation" I had eight (8) sitting > on the horizontal section of the loop at about 10Z - I dont know why > they were there in the middle of the night but might have been the > fact they were avoiding the sprinkler system that was watering the > garden under the loop then. > > I was backed off at around 800W output last night as Im fed up with > the 20A house breaker tripping. > > > Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq > okalhoma > >> From: "McAlevey" <> >> Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >> To: >> Subject: LF: XDW >> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 09:06:14 +1200 >> >> Patchy copy of XDW around 1000utc last night. >> >> Mike ZL4OL > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 03:45:16 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUFJc-0003T9-O8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 03:45:16 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUFJb-0004DV-V5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 03:45:16 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.72] (helo=pih-mxcore06.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUFJb-0004DS-Tg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 03:45:15 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUFJb-00012P-PK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 03:45:15 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUFJ2-0001Ew-9X for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 03:44:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUFJ1-0001En-H3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 03:44:39 +0100 Received: from outbound01.telus.net ([199.185.220.220] helo=priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUFIz-0004PQ-Ic for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 03:44:39 +0100 Received: from localhost ([199.185.220.240]) by priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20050507024430.YXRY4564.priv-edtnes56.telusplanet.net@localhost> for ; Fri, 6 May 2005 20:44:30 -0600 Received: from 209.239.11.66 ( [209.239.11.66]) as user sthed475@192.168.200.1 by webmail.telus.net with HTTP; Fri, 6 May 2005 19:44:30 -0700 Message-ID: <1115433870.427c2b8e7a894@webmail.telus.net> Date: Fri, 6 May 2005 19:44:30 -0700 From: "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001301c551ac$007e7740$8d01a8c0@JKA> <1115351635.427aea53f0971@webmail.telus.net> <001d01c55229$5f3d0b20$0500a8c0@charter.net> In-Reply-To: <001d01c55229$5f3d0b20$0500a8c0@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-Originating-IP: 209.239.11.66 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.220 as permitted sender Subject: Re: LF: XES Tonight? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Thanks John Oh boy a new digital mode to confound my dad... Where can I get the 'new' windows version of the decoding software? 73 Scott Quoting John Andrews : > Scott, > > XES will be running in WOLF for the next three nights on 137.441 kHz. Have > fun! > > John A. > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 05:06:30 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUGaE-0001V6-B5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 05:06:30 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DUGfd-000LVY-HF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 05:12:05 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.74] (helo=pih-mxcore08.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DUGfd-000LVV-F7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 05:12:05 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUGaD-0006Ti-N3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 05:06:29 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUGZB-0001Sq-59 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 05:05:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUGZA-0001Sh-Q9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 05:05:24 +0100 Received: from gambit.vianw.pt ([195.22.31.34]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUGZ9-0004my-6V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 05:05:24 +0100 Received: from slave_13.esoterica.pt ([80.172.153.75]) by gambit.vianw.pt (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j474TuDJ002341 for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 05:29:58 +0100 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20050507040108.01332120@pop.vianw.pt> X-Sender: nx4ywv@pop.vianw.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 04:05:12 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Brian Rogerson In-Reply-To: <002001c5528b$f4adf4a0$0500a8c0@charter.net> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/871/Thu May 5 14:50:45 2005 on gambit.vianw.pt X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.22.31.34 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of esoterica.pt X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: XES Tonight? Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030600020302040204030304" X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030600020302040204030304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi John, lock isn't very fast but it is there. 73, Brian At 22:35 06/05/2005, you wrote: >Dave, > >Sorry for the delay, just got home. 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(Exim 4.50) id 1DUJjW-000566-Ck for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 08:28:18 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUJjW-0004Vq-7h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 08:28:18 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUJix-0001hn-NK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 08:27:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUJix-0001he-8n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 08:27:43 +0100 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUJiv-0005ag-Rm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 08:27:43 +0100 Received: from [194.97.55.190] (helo=mx6.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DUJii-00061d-Vk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 09:27:28 +0200 Received: from td9091c06.pool.terralink.de ([217.9.28.6] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx6.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51 #1) id 1DUJii-0002md-NG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 09:27:28 +0200 Message-ID: <427C6DE2.2030806@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 09:27:30 +0200 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001301c551ac$007e7740$8d01a8c0@JKA> <1115351635.427aea53f0971@webmail.telus.net> <001d01c55229$5f3d0b20$0500a8c0@charter.net> <1115433870.427c2b8e7a894@webmail.telus.net> In-Reply-To: <1115433870.427c2b8e7a894@webmail.telus.net> X-Warning: 217.9.28.6 is listed at list.dsbl.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.131 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de Subject: Re: LF: XES Tonight? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Hi Scott, The latest version of the WOLF GUI (graphic user interface) can be downloaded from http://people.freenet.de/dl4yhf/wolf/index.html There is some highly experimental "QSO mode" and "answering machine" in it now, which has not been tested yet. But for an attempted two-way overnight run, it may be helpful. Everything else will sound familiar to you if you have used Stewart's original console application. Regards, Wolf(gang) DL4YHF . Scott Tilley, VE7TIL schrieb: >Thanks John > >Oh boy a new digital mode to confound my dad... > >Where can I get the 'new' windows version of the decoding software? > >73 Scott > > >Quoting John Andrews : > > > >>Scott, >> >>XES will be running in WOLF for the next three nights on 137.441 kHz. Have >>fun! >> >>John A. >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 09:19:19 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUKWs-0004PE-S8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 09:19:18 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DUKcJ-0007lg-BT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 09:24:55 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.75] (helo=pih-mxcore09.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DUKcJ-0007ld-8s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 09:24:55 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUKWr-0002O2-SJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 09:19:17 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUKWd-0001oJ-V4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 09:19:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUKWd-0001oA-H2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 09:19:03 +0100 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUKWa-0005kF-78 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 09:19:03 +0100 Received: from fwd23.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DUKWZ-0002jM-01; Sat, 07 May 2005 10:18:59 +0200 Received: from HW1 (bVxjTiZL8eMXteqo8p2HOSFLtDjsO4m17ufCZMVmnzt1FY-7mISGEM@[84.133.80.134]) by fwd23.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1DUKWW-0vlMy80; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:18:56 +0200 Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 10:18:57 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <191924185.20050507101857@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: bVxjTiZL8eMXteqo8p2HOSFLtDjsO4m17ufCZMVmnzt1FY-7mISGEM X-TOI-MSGID: 9218208b-8f27-4e63-b4e5-4ab7b74dbeac X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.21 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: TA May 6/7th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Strong TA-signals last night. WD2XGJ and WD2XES peaking 0130-0300z. VO1NA was strong 0300-0330z. Again I captured the UNID sawtooth. Faded in just after 2000z and faded out about 0330z. Nothing else copied. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 11:38:59 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUMi3-00063A-8a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 11:38:59 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUMi2-0007tn-7Z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 11:38:59 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.76] (helo=pih-mxcore10.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUMi1-0007tf-UX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 11:38:57 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUMi1-00062g-OL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 11:38:57 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUMhM-0001xm-On for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 11:38:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUMhM-0001xd-5M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 11:38:16 +0100 Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.202.55]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUMhK-0006J2-Pj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 11:38:16 +0100 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005050710375501100ig4vje>; Sat, 7 May 2005 10:38:05 +0000 Message-ID: <003801c552f0$f887b880$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <191924185.20050507101857@t-online.de> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 06:38:46 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.202.55 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net Subject: LF: TA MAY 6/7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Nil...but I don't believe anyone was transmitting. Nice WOLF copy Brian. Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 13:30:09 +0100 Received: from [192.168.71.8] (helo=pih-spamcore04.plus.net) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUORd-0004sz-QW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 13:30:09 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUOOC-00026k-5x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 13:26:36 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.75] (helo=pih-mxcore09.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUOOC-00026h-4L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 13:26:36 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUOOB-0004Hz-Rv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 13:26:35 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUONe-00025y-FF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 13:26:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUONe-00025p-3u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 13:26:02 +0100 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUONc-0006o5-9r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 13:26:02 +0100 Received: (qmail 17203 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 12:25:56 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 07 May 2005 12:25:56 -0000 Message-ID: <003301c552f7$8cebf1c0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050507040108.01332120@pop.vianw.pt> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:26:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com Subject: Re: LF: XES Tonight? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Brian, > Hi John, lock isn't very fast but it is there. 73, Brian Very good! That's around the time that I had my best DRP copy on the preceding two nights. You had the message in about 20 minutes, so a half-hour QSO format would have been appropriate. XES will be back again tonight before my sunset, which is at 2355. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 13:36:59 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUOYF-0005uA-JW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 13:36:59 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUOYE-000605-4H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 13:36:59 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUOYE-000602-2S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 13:36:58 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUOda-0007vo-5H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 13:42:30 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUOY2-0002Ab-Qw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 13:36:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUOY2-0002AS-Fo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 13:36:46 +0100 Received: from smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.199]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUOY1-0006qL-3b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 13:36:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 22972 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 12:36:43 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.199) with ESMTP; 07 May 2005 12:36:43 -0000 Message-ID: <003b01c552f9$0eb4ee40$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <191924185.20050507101857@t-online.de> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 12:36:48 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.199 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com Subject: LF: Re: TA May 6/7th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Hartmut, Nice copy on all. The "sawtooth" doesn't appear to be coming from this side of the pond. It hasn't shown on screen grabbers in the U.S., and if you saw it at 2000 UTC yesterday, that would be too early for a North American signal. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 14:39:33 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUPWn-0006fD-Ie for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 14:39:33 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUPWk-00051U-BF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 14:39:32 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.78] (helo=pih-mxcore12.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUPWk-00051M-1s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 14:39:30 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUPWj-0005ZJ-QL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 14:39:29 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUPVn-0002HA-Do for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 14:38:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUPVn-0002H1-1I for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 14:38:31 +0100 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUPVl-0006zn-LS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 14:38:31 +0100 Received: from [194.97.50.135] (helo=mx2.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DUPVl-00054K-Ax for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 15:38:29 +0200 Received: from td9091c06.pool.terralink.de ([217.9.28.6] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx2.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51 #1) id 1DUPVa-0008KZ-QN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 15:38:19 +0200 Message-ID: <427CC4F3.3050805@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 15:38:59 +0200 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: RSGB LF Group X-Warning: 217.9.28.6 is listed at list.dsbl.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.131 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de Subject: LF: Suggestion: Two-way test in WOLF BPSK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Hello John, Brian, and the group, If conditions remain promising, why not try a 2-way TA contact in WOLF BPSK between DRP, XES and possibly others too (excluding myself, due to "local time restrictions") ? To make things easier, use the new "QSO mode" in the latest WOLF GUI version. Set the "Period" to 30 minute intervals. You may even configure the WOLF GUI to let it answers a CQ-call automagically (using the "RX / TX Messages" tab to tell the PC what you are hoping to receive, and to define what to send after successfull reception ). More info about that new function is in the WOLF GUI manual now. For a 2-way TA attempt, let me suggest the same principle as used on VHF EME and HSCW meteor scatter : > The western-most station calls the FIRST transmitted period . Here: Western (US) station transmits from XX:00:00 to XX:29:59, eastern (EU) station sends XX:30:00 to XX:59:59. Note: As long as the TX-message field is empty, WOLF will receive in both periods. So you may let WOLF run overnight, and if it decodes a CQ-call (or other predefined message text), it may start to transmit in "your" next TX-period. In the recent version it doesn't hurt if your local clock is not accurate, since losing a couple of seconds in each period won't hurt. For perfect sync, you may use Dimension 4 to synchronize the clock via internet (thanks for the point Peter). You can control your RX/TX switch from the PC, using the RTS-pin of the serial port (RTS=Request To Send, sic..). I will be monitoring the band later, but there is heavy QRN at the moment - so I would be glad to copy anything at all. Have a nice weekend, 73 , Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 15:55:41 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUQiT-0000ts-EM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 15:55:41 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DUQnw-000Pxn-JS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:01:20 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.74] (helo=pih-mxcore08.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DUQnw-000Pxk-HD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:01:20 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUQiT-0000DV-12 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 15:55:41 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUQhg-0002PT-ET for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 15:54:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUQhg-0002PK-30 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 15:54:52 +0100 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUQhe-0007Am-HF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 15:54:52 +0100 Received: (qmail 13671 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 14:54:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 07 May 2005 14:54:44 -0000 Message-ID: <004a01c5530c$56e6b3c0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <427CC4F3.3050805@freenet.de> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 14:54:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: Re: Suggestion: Two-way test in WOLF BPSK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Wolf, I have been reluctant to suggest this, as the U.S. Part 5 experimental stations are not running in the Amateur service. Several of us, XES included, have authorizations for 2-way communication with Amateur stations. But nobody knows whether the CT, DL, G, etc. governments would permit communication outside of the Amateur service. I believe this was an issue with the 60 meter band when the U.S. guys were running under an Experimental service license. That aside, tonight would not be a good choice here, due to weather and other committments. John Andrews, W1TAG From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 16:02:13 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUQon-0004q7-6Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:02:13 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUQol-0006xt-L9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:02:12 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUQol-0006xq-J0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:02:11 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUQu7-0004kL-LJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:07:43 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUQoV-0002U7-4W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:01:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUQoU-0002Ty-QC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:01:54 +0100 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUQoT-0007CS-Dg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:01:54 +0100 Received: (qmail 18444 invoked from network); 7 May 2005 15:01:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 07 May 2005 15:01:50 -0000 Message-ID: <005b01c5530d$54972900$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 15:01:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com Subject: LF: Interesting test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) http://engadget.com/entry/1234000463042528/ John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 16:14:35 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUR0l-0004bE-6d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:14:35 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUR0k-0005UJ-3o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:14:34 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUR0j-0005UF-Vr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:14:34 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUR66-0007z4-5G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:20:06 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUR0L-0002Yo-3B for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:14:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUR0I-0002Yf-Bu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:14:06 +0100 Received: from smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.197]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUR0H-0007FG-0Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 16:14:06 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@217.43.204.36 with login) by smtp807.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 15:13:59 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 16:14:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <005b01c5530d$54972900$0500a8c0@charter.net> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcVTFb/31VAjmJiES+KVVTpSoVV63gAAZRuQ X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.197 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of picks.force9.co.uk Message-Id: Subject: LF: RE: Interesting test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Don't get Mal going again! Dave G3YXM -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of John Andrews Sent: 07 May 2005 15:02 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Interesting test http://engadget.com/entry/1234000463042528/ John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 17:57:26 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUScH-0005BA-Vr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:57:26 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUScH-0002lr-Ih for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:57:25 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.76] (helo=pih-mxcore10.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUScH-0002lo-Gz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:57:25 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUScH-0005Aq-C6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:57:25 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUSb9-0002j2-67 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:56:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUSb8-0002it-Rn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:56:14 +0100 Received: from smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.141]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUSb7-0007kg-G4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 17:56:14 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.135.4.145 with login) by smtp804.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 16:56:07 -0000 Message-ID: <001001c55325$ae49e1a0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <005b01c5530d$54972900$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 17:54:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.141 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com Subject: LF: Re: Interesting test Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) I have a problem.....my mobile phone doesn't have a key jack!! Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: 07 May 2005 15:01 Subject: LF: Interesting test > http://engadget.com/entry/1234000463042528/ > > John A. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 18:03:49 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUSiS-0005x0-Nr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:03:48 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUSiS-0001Pe-89 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:03:48 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.4] (helo=ptb-mxcore04.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUSiS-0001Pb-6I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:03:48 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUSld-0002H6-FQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:07:05 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUSiD-0002nw-V1 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:03:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUSiD-0002nn-Kk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:03:33 +0100 Received: from smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.139]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUSiC-0007mk-CO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:03:33 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@217.43.204.36 with login) by smtp802.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 17:03:26 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:03:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <427CC4F3.3050805@freenet.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcVTCjOTOY2rJV7fRfCybhQrkX+AzQAHDFpA X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.139 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of picks.force9.co.uk Message-Id: Subject: LF: RE: Suggestion: Two-way test in WOLF BPSK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Wolf Thanks for the Wolf QSO just now. I wasn't using the QSO version as I hadn't downloaded it. You achieved a maximum "q" of 12 which isn't bad in the short "overs". 73 Dave G3YXM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 18:05:01 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUSjd-0001eu-Dy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:05:01 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUSjc-0001f8-R7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:05:01 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.71] (helo=pih-mxcore05.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUSjc-0001f5-P5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:05:00 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUSjc-0008JV-EC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:05:00 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUSjV-0002r6-3y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:04:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUSjU-0002qw-Ob for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:04:52 +0100 Received: from imo-m16.mx.aol.com ([64.12.138.206]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUSjT-0007np-7u for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:04:52 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m16.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id l.158.505d43a0 (4004) for ; Sat, 7 May 2005 13:04:42 -0400 (EDT) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: <158.505d43a0.2fae4f2a@aol.com> Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 13:04:42 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.138.206 as permitted sender Subject: Re: LF: Re: Interesting test Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
In a message dated 07/05/05 17:57:31 GMT Daylight Time, Alan.Melia@btinternet.com writes:
http://engadget.com/entry/1234000463042528
Yeah! Well most of 'em don't know that their SMS alert tones are in morse anyway!
 
Anyone know how I can program my mobile to bleep "Dah Dit Dah" at the end of each over?
 
73 de pat g4gvw
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 18:05:05 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUSjh-0007Pk-SI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:05:05 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUSjh-0004DO-7r for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:05:05 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.74] (helo=pih-mxcore08.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUSjh-0004DJ-4v for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:05:05 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUSjg-0006Yg-V5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:05:05 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUSjb-0002ra-DB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:04:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUSja-0002rQ-T4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:04:58 +0100 Received: from mout1.freenet.de ([194.97.50.132]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUSjZ-0007nv-Cm for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:04:58 +0100 Received: from [194.97.50.135] (helo=mx2.freenet.de) by mout1.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DUSjM-00081x-MV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 19:04:44 +0200 Received: from www2.emo.freenet-rz.de ([194.97.107.199] helo=www3.emo.freenet-rz.de) by mx2.freenet.de with esmtp (Exim 4.51 #1) id 1DUSjH-0007Rv-2e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 19:04:39 +0200 Received: from www-data by www3.emo.freenet-rz.de with local (Exim 4.34 1 (Panther_1)) id 1DUSjH-0001Qx-9F for ; Sat, 07 May 2005 19:04:39 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: dl4yhf@freenet.de X-Priority: 3 X-Abuse: 505770703 / 217.9.25.190 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 19:04:39 +0200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.132 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de Subject: LF: G3YXM 2-Way WOLF Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit MessageHi Dave and group,

Thanks for the QSO Dave. As you can see in the decoder output, your signal was very stable, and occasionally decoded within the first 24 seconds.

To Brian (DRP): We used 5-minute TX periods, which may be a bit too short to be decoded over this distance. I will send a few more calls with 15-minute intervals now, to see if anything gets through.

Best regards,
 Wolf DL4YHF .

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2005-05-07 16:29:21 >WOLF  -r 11026.815 -f 1641 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 -ut
t:  24 f: 0.085 a:-0.7 dp:100.0 ci: 4 cj:183 DF0WD G3YXM     -
t:  48 f: 0.085 a:-0.7 dp: 99.4 ci: 4 cj:183 DF0WD G3YXM     -
t:  96 f: 0.086 a:-0.8 dp: 99.3 ci: 4 cj:183 DF0WD G3YXM     -
2005-05-07 16:32:37 >WOLF  -x "G3YXM DF0WD O K" -r 11026.815 -f 1641 -a 8 -t 0.5
2005-05-07 16:35:55 >WOLF  -r 11026.815 -f 1641 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 -ut
t:  24 f: 0.069 a: 1.2 dp: 88.4 ci: 4 cj:183 2XG/TPT7P0B.8MG ?
t:  48 f: 0.087 a:-1.2 dp: 95.8 ci: 4 cj:183 *66QXGT.S6HBAIL ?
t:  96 f: 0.085 a:-0.9 dp: 97.7 ci: 7 cj:389 GA WOLF FB O K  -
t: 192 f: 0.088 pm:942.5 jm:182 q: 10.7 10.6 GA WOLF FB O K  -
2005-05-07 16:41:01 >WOLF  -x "TU DAVE XM WD K" -r 11026.815 -f 1641 -a 8 -t 0.5
2005-05-07 16:45:56 >WOLF  -r 11026.815 -f 1641 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 -ut
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t:  96 f: 0.084 a: 0.6 dp: 97.6 ci: 4 cj:389 73 DF0WD G3YXM. -
t: 192 f: 0.088 pm:583.5 jm:182 q: 12.6 11.8 73 DF0WD G3YXM. -
t: 288 f: 0.088 pm: 1057 jm:182 q: 15.4 15.2 73 DF0WD G3YXM. -
2005-05-07 16:52:36 >WOLF  -x "RR 73 YXM WD SK" -r 11026.815 -f 1641 -a 8 -t 0.5
2005-05-07 16:57:07 >WOLF  -r 11026.815 -f 1641 -t 1.0 -w 0.0000 -ut


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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 18:43:31 +0100 Received: from [192.168.71.7] (helo=pih-spamcore03.plus.net) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUTKt-00035t-Fn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:43:31 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUTFW-0001lE-DT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:37:58 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.78] (helo=pih-mxcore12.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUTFW-0001l5-Am for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:37:58 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUTFW-00019K-4T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:37:58 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUTF5-00032F-K7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:37:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUTF5-000326-5H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:37:31 +0100 Received: from fh1024.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.34] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUTF3-0007u9-OS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:37:31 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.251) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 4279D18600089CD4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 7 May 2005 17:37:28 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c552e8$b1dbf5c0$fbe8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 10:38:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.34 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: WOLF and Hel Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Big signals this early evening on 137.7/Hel and 137.4 on Wolf at 30 db over noise from DL. All signals audible and suitable for a quick qso on CW. Wolf seems to go on for ever, what is the point? when a message could be conveyed both ways in a few seconds on normal CW.
 
73 G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 18:48:49 +0100 Received: from [192.168.71.7] (helo=pih-spamcore03.plus.net) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUTQ1-0003kx-M2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:48:49 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUTM3-0003Rc-42 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:44:43 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.71] (helo=pih-mxcore05.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUTM3-0003RZ-2D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:44:43 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUTM2-0006QE-Lq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:44:42 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUTLq-00036o-QO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:44:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUTLq-00036f-G8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:44:30 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUTLp-0007vr-7w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 18:44:30 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@217.43.204.36 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2005 17:44:23 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 18:44:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-reply-to: <000c01c552e8$b1dbf5c0$fbe8fc3e@l8p8y6> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcVTLEiA+yfCbqZhTl2DIHC0TT8/0AAAAa0g X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.196 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of picks.force9.co.uk Message-Id: Subject: LF: RE: WOLF and Hel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) I think it's called "Experimentation", quite fun actually! Dave G3YXM. >>>>> Wolf seems to go on for ever, what is the point? when a message could be conveyed both ways in a few seconds on normal CW. 73 G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 07 May 2005 21:56:20 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUWLU-0001Na-89 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 21:56:20 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUWLT-0007DM-Mj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 21:56:20 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.1] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUWLT-0007DJ-KV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 21:56:19 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUWQq-0002OP-73 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 07 May 2005 22:01:52 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUWKP-0003Je-MR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 21:55:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUWKP-0003JV-Bd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 21:55:13 +0100 Received: from mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.187]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUWKN-0000BM-Ec for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 07 May 2005 21:55:13 +0100 Received: from pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050507205457.VDDO11967.mta205-rme.xtra.co.nz@pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz>; Sun, 8 May 2005 08:54:57 +1200 Received: from mcalevey ([210.86.34.222]) by pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050507205453.KYBB7985.pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey>; Sun, 8 May 2005 08:54:53 +1200 Message-ID: <000301c55347$026d5430$de2256d2@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: "Steve McDonald" , rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <809825955.20050304180047@t-online.de> <000d01c54c56$2b8ebb80$5011f4cc@p1i5f0> <000201c54fbf$308445d0$0ac436d2@mcalevey> Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 08:54:09 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of xtra.co.nz designates 210.86.15.187 as permitted sender Subject: LF: overnight Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------000301020104000604020606" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000301020104000604020606 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Good copy of XDW last night just before his sunrise. 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rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) I ran the grabber last night as it was reasonably quiet. Early peak from VO1NA who stayed in there most of the way through. Hartmut's zig-zag line on .776 was also there all the way from 2300 but peaked very strongly at 0400 (dawn) before fading out. Nothing else identified. Dave G3YXM From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 08 May 2005 09:49:05 +0100 Received: from [192.168.71.7] (helo=pih-spamcore03.plus.net) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUhTF-0000PO-Fm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 09:49:05 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUhNr-0000Uo-DH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 09:43:31 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.4] (helo=ptb-mxcore04.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUhNr-0000Uj-9p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 09:43:31 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUhR6-0003PI-Bj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 09:46:52 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUhNb-0005JK-Sf for 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<001d01c553b7$dd955880$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050508084051.013402e8@pop.vianw.pt> Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 06:22:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.148.227.85 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,SUBJ_ALL_CAPS=0.365 Subject: LF: TA MAY 7/8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.6 required=5.0 tests=SUBJ_ALL_CAPS autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Nil...if anyone was transmitting. DF6NM grabber images unavailable when I checked a few times last night...page loaded...just no images. Seems to be working okay this morning. Jay, W1VD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 08 May 2005 13:06:20 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUkY8-0001Ys-NI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 13:06:20 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DUkdj-000Hq5-E6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 13:12:07 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.74] (helo=pih-mxcore08.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DUkdj-000Hpu-8w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 13:12:07 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUkY7-0004Hp-WA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 13:06:20 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUkXe-0005Y5-47 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 13:05:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUkXd-0005Xw-Cf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 13:05:49 +0100 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUkXa-0000XR-SM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 13:05:49 +0100 Received: from MarkusVester@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id l.d8.25cadfb0 (18555) for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 08:05:38 -0400 (EDT) From: MarkusVester@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 08:05:38 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 8.0 for Windows sub 6104 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.2 as permitted sender X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=no,HTML_30_40=0.056,HTML_MESSAGE=0.001,NO_REAL_NAME=0.178 Subject: Re: LF: TA MAY 7/8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.7 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE, HTML_TAG_BALANCE_HTML,NO_REAL_NAME autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Jay and LF

Thanks for the report. No, didn't see any Eu signals last night locally either.

Friday night, I changed the URL for the image folder from http://members.aol.com/df6nm2 to http://hometown.aol.de/df6nm2 , which uses a different FTP authentification protocol and seems to have fixed the frequent blocked uploads. Somehow the AOL server contents are linked, as a read access to "hometown" also finds files at "members", but not vice versa. I had adjusted the image sources in http://members.aol.com/df6nm/Grabber.htm , which might temporarily not have worked in case this was cached. If you are using an automatic download tool like SeqDownload, you will have to tell it the new image URL.

73 and all the best

Markus, DF6NM


JRusgrove@comcast.net wrote:

Nil...if anyone was transmitting.

DF6NM grabber images unavailable when I checked a few times last
night...page loaded...just no images. Seems to be working okay this
morning


 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 08 May 2005 14:23:51 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUll9-0005E8-Jt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:23:51 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUll8-0005Yb-WA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:23:51 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.76] (helo=pih-mxcore10.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUll8-0005YY-Tp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:23:50 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUll8-0002nk-Pi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:23:50 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUlkf-0005ek-71 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:23:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUlke-0005eb-RA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:23:20 +0100 Received: from bay102-f4.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.14] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUlkd-0000kK-DG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:23:20 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 May 2005 06:23:13 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.209 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 May 2005 13:23:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.209] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 05:23:12 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2005 13:23:13.0013 (UTC) FILETIME=[15DEF250:01C553D1] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.14 as permitted sender Subject: LF: XDW - full carrier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit XDW had a PC problem this morning from around 09zish until 1302z. The "lock up" caused the transmitter to put a continuous carrier on the dash high freq of 137.7756 Khz or so. Mind you it did produce an interesting very steep past dawn fade out graph on Steve W3eee grabber. Thanks to Mike ZL4OL who spotted the tx problem and also for TIL/3 for the reports and BRO grabber for the confirm. Nothing got too hot. We are due to get storms later and we may shut down unannounced. Laurence KL1X/5 wd2xdw em26aq bartlesville OK, USA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 08 May 2005 14:29:12 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUlqJ-0002Pk-VJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:29:11 +0100 Received: from mailnull by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spamcore-l-b (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DUlvv-0005AT-8g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:34:59 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.76] (helo=pih-mxcore10.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.32; FreeBSD) id 1DUlvv-0005AQ-6I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:34:59 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUlqJ-0004aQ-Dd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:29:11 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUlqB-0005jC-J2 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:29:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUlqB-0005j3-8C for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:29:03 +0100 Received: from mail.genesiswireless.us ([63.171.43.8] helo=ms.genesis-technology.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUlq9-0000m8-MM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:29:03 +0100 Received: from [192.168.0.100] (rev-65.165.20.91.genesiswireless.us [65.165.20.91]) by ms.genesis-technology.com (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j48DSsVO010119 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 08:28:54 -0500 Message-ID: <427E141D.9000505@genesiswireless.us> Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 08:29:01 -0500 From: WE0H Mike User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040804 Netscape/7.2 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-GenesisWireless-MailScanner: Not scanned: please contact your Internet E-Mail Service Provider for details X-MailScanner-From: we0h@genesiswireless.us X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 63.171.43.8 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of genesiswireless.us X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.05 Subject: Re: LF: XDW - full carrier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on post.thorcom.com X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=none autolearn=no version=2.63 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v3.00) Nothing like the smoke test =-O Were you home at the time? Mike Laurence KL1X wrote: > XDW had a PC problem this morning from around 09zish until 1302z. The > "lock up" caused the transmitter to put a continuous carrier on the > dash high freq of 137.7756 Khz or so. Mind you it did produce an > interesting very steep past dawn fade out graph on Steve W3eee grabber. > > Thanks to Mike ZL4OL who spotted the tx problem and also for TIL/3 for > the reports and BRO grabber for the confirm. Nothing got too hot. > > We are due to get storms later and we may shut down unannounced. > > Laurence KL1X/5 wd2xdw > em26aq > bartlesville OK, USA > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 08 May 2005 16:56:09 +0100 Received: from [192.168.71.3] (helo=ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUo8X-0006Pp-8D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 16:56:09 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUo4z-0005kL-2t for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 16:52:30 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.72] (helo=pih-mxcore06.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUo4y-0005kG-Vp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 16:52:29 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUo4y-0002e5-RN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 16:52:28 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUo4V-0005sm-R7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 16:51:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUo4V-0005sd-9E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 16:51:59 +0100 Received: from mailout05.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.82]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUo4S-0001KF-VQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 16:51:59 +0100 Received: from fwd33.aul.t-online.de by mailout05.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DUo4R-0002wM-00; Sun, 08 May 2005 17:51:55 +0200 Received: from (rSI0x+ZOQe4wlJS9KgrZRVdblblgx-PH8ez8E40sqpxzwTE82uP7kU@[217.251.196.92]) by fwd33.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1DUo4G-264PJ20; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:51:44 +0200 From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: X-Mailer: T-Online eMail 2.34 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 17:51:44 +0200 Message-ID: <1DUo4G-264PJ20@fwd33.sul.t-online.de> X-ID: rSI0x+ZOQe4wlJS9KgrZRVdblblgx-PH8ez8E40sqpxzwTE82uP7kU X-TOI-MSGID: d4c79010-3dd0-41ca-bd00-b5a3a16eec63 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.82 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de Subject: Re: LF: TA MAY 7/8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) MarkusVester@aol.com schrieb: > Dear Jay and LF > > Thanks for the report. No, didn't see any Eu signals last night locally > either. > > Friday night, I changed the URL for the image folder from > http://members.aol.com/df6nm2 to http://hometown.aol.de/df6nm2 , which uses a > different FTP > authentification protocol and seems to have fixed the frequent blocked > uploads. > Somehow the AOL server contents are linked, as a read access to "hometown" > also > finds files at "members", but not vice versa. I had adjusted the image > sources > in http://members.aol.com/df6nm/Grabber.htm , which might temporarily not > have > worked in case this was cached. If you are using an automatic download tool > like SeqDownload, you will have to tell it the new image URL. > > 73 and all the best > > Markus, DF6NM > Hi Markus, the URL http://members.aol.com/df6nm/Grabber.htm is O.K., but http://hometown.aol.de/df6nm2 not, nothing doing. best regards Uwe/dj8wx From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 08 May 2005 18:23:24 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUpUx-0003qB-VZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:23:24 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUpUx-0006kK-Ez for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:23:23 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUpUx-0006kH-D7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:23:23 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUpYx-0004b7-7w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:27:31 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUpUR-000616-0W for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:22:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUpUQ-00060x-HX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:22:50 +0100 Received: from fh1023.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.33] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUpUP-0001am-Tu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:22:50 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.228.83) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 42437A0000934DC6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:22:41 +0000 Message-ID: <002e01c55394$a3bd8920$53e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 07:09:38 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: Jay Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Thanks for you msg Jay. I have been in your part of the world a few times also further afield in California and across to Hawaii/Honolulu. I must say I prefer the West and have been  many times to the shack of W6AM and a variety of functions organised by the W6 boys when I have been there. Another good place is Texas those boys also have a big Heart.
I used to help these boys with there DX score when I was abroad from places like 9V1,9M2, VS6, VS9.VR2 but to mention a few.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 08 May 2005 18:23:24 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUpUy-0002wV-Gn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:23:24 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUpUx-0002TK-S4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:23:24 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.78] (helo=pih-mxcore12.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUpUx-0002TH-Q2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:23:23 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUpUx-0003pm-Gv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:23:23 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUpUR-00061N-Pj for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:22:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUpUR-00061A-BX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:22:51 +0100 Received: from fh1023.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.33] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUpUP-0001an-Ts for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:22:51 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.228.83) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 42437A0000934DB9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:22:39 +0000 Message-ID: <002d01c55394$a2a95a00$53e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 06:59:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: Amtor etc Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
Having observed WOLF this weekend and the bandwidth required, it is not much different from Amtor/Ptor/Pkt etc
Why not try one of these modes and there is a good chance if the mode transmitted latched to the other end there would be an immediate  response and one could CLAIM a QSO. Why wait for 15 minutes or forever in the off chance that Wolf might bark.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 08 May 2005 18:27:02 +0100 Received: from [192.168.71.8] (helo=pih-spamcore04.plus.net) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUpYU-0007uO-M2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:27:02 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUpUx-0002TB-CF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:23:23 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.73] (helo=pih-mxcore07.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUpUx-0002T8-Ab for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:23:23 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUpUx-0002w8-6E for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:23:23 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUpUS-00061W-4v for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:22:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUpUR-00061J-Mp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:22:51 +0100 Received: from fh1023.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.33] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUpUP-0001ao-Tt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 18:22:51 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.228.83) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 42437A0000934DB5 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 8 May 2005 17:22:37 +0000 Message-ID: <002c01c55394$a18c0320$53e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Sat, 7 May 2005 23:50:32 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: Re: RE: WOLF and Hel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dave Pick" To: Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 6:44 PM Subject: LF: RE: WOLF and Hel > I think it's called "Experimentation", quite fun actually! > > Dave G3YXM. I did see your signal as well Dave. Have fun, I forgot to mention the 150 hz bandwidth, not the ideal mode for LF if the band was busy. 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > >>>>> Wolf seems to go on for ever, what is the point? when a > message could be conveyed both ways in a few seconds on normal CW. > > 73 G3KEV > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 08 May 2005 19:43:37 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUqkb-0004ED-5K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 19:43:37 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUqka-0008R9-Ox for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 19:43:37 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.75] (helo=pih-mxcore09.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUqka-0008R6-NI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 19:43:36 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUqka-0007sk-IP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 19:43:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUqju-0006IG-TH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 19:42:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUqju-0006I7-Fx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 19:42:54 +0100 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUqjt-0001zG-3V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 19:42:54 +0100 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-226.fen-net.de [212.204.117.106]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j48IeZ9e022388 for ; Sun, 8 May 2005 20:40:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000b01c553fe$3a02fc80$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Sun, 8 May 2005 20:46:19 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de Subject: LF: DI2AG on MW Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear friends,
 
          the beacon DI2AG on 440.044KHz is now switched off and will be back on air on 20th of May, I hope.
          73          Walter    DJ2LF
 
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charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) ...Twiddle Thumbs waiting for better condx to return... ----- Original Message ----- From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de> To: Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 3:49 AM Subject: LF: TA > The heroes are tired. > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 10 May 2005 18:14:08 +0100 Received: from [192.168.71.1] (helo=ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DVYJ6-0004oe-8T for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 10 May 2005 18:14:08 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DVYF1-00038K-Pf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; 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Tue, 10 May 2005 17:08:53 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c55509$dc58c940$07e9fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 02:32:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.35 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: 136 KHZ ACTY Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
I have been calling CQ on CW around 136.6 khz this past few days but acty is vy low at present. Where have all the old timers of yester years gone especially those southern boys!! Nothing heard on QRS for a while. We need some DXPEDITIONS around EU.
De Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 12 May 2005 18:30:41 +0100 Received: from [192.168.71.8] (helo=pih-spamcore04.plus.net) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWHWD-0008VX-6z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 May 2005 18:30:41 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DWHSM-0004vw-GI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 May 2005 18:26:43 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DWHSM-0004vh-An for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 May 2005 18:26:42 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWHWB-0008UX-TJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 12 May 2005 18:30:39 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DWHQr-0003GV-CJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 18:25:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DWHQq-0003GM-Q8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 18:25:08 +0100 Received: from fh1025.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.35] helo=n082.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWHQp-0002Fl-D1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 18:25:08 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.209.74) by n082.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 42437CB2007C47B0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 12 May 2005 17:25:03 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c5569e$71cb5660$4ad1fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 03:57:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.35 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: address Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
My address is now correct at QRZ.COM.
Some years ago when I moved QTH they continued with the old address. Any cards or material sent to the old address did not get to me. If it was important it will have to be sent again. There appears to be over 300 enquiries for details so it appears a lot of mail, cards etc have gone astray.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 13 May 2005 02:13:59 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWOkY-0004vM-VM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:13:58 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DWOkR-0003HE-VH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:13:58 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.77] (helo=pih-mxcore11.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DWOkR-0003HB-TU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:13:51 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWOkR-0006S7-Gf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:13:51 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DWOjK-0003mo-Fl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:12:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DWOjK-0003mf-4g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:12:42 +0100 Received: from bay102-f35.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.45] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWOjI-0003xN-NG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:12:42 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 May 2005 18:12:33 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 May 2005 01:12:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.200] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:12:33 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2005 01:12:33.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7B26B20:01C55758] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.45 as permitted sender Subject: LF: XDW 137,775 and a bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit wd2xdw will be off air from 0115z Friday until advised - the web site may say different for a while Laurence KL1x/5 em26aq http://myweb.cableone.net/flow Oklahoma! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 13 May 2005 14:48:16 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWaWV-0006Mt-U6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:48:15 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DWaWV-0004KT-3U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:48:15 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.77] (helo=pih-mxcore11.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DWaWV-0004KQ-1d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:48:15 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWaWU-0003tH-Oe for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:48:14 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DWaVU-0004cD-5o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:47:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DWaVT-0004c4-S1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:47:11 +0100 Received: from gambit.vianw.pt ([195.22.31.34]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWaVS-0006gl-CQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 14:47:11 +0100 Received: from slave_13.esoterica.pt ([80.172.153.90]) by gambit.vianw.pt (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4DECxwd022222 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 15:13:01 +0100 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20050513134345.0149d4c0@pop.vianw.pt> X-Sender: nx4ywv@pop.vianw.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:47:00 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Brian Rogerson Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.83/876/Fri May 13 00:14:29 2005 on gambit.vianw.pt X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.22.31.34 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of esoterica.pt Subject: LF: TA 12/13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Just traces but three signals around 04:00Z. Has the Wolf hibernated? Brian CT1DRP From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 13 May 2005 16:25:22 +0100 Received: from [192.168.71.1] (helo=ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWc2U-0004qG-Ej for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 16:25:22 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DWc2S-0008G7-KQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 16:25:22 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.73] (helo=pih-mxcore07.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DWc2S-0008G4-IX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 16:25:20 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWc2S-0001yc-9G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 16:25:20 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DWc1f-0004m9-JX for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 16:24:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DWc1f-0004m0-53 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 16:24:31 +0100 Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWc1d-00079E-LM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 16:24:31 +0100 Received: (qmail 14287 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 15:24:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 13 May 2005 15:24:21 -0000 Message-ID: <000401c557d1$a4fe2e70$8d01a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050513134345.0149d4c0@pop.vianw.pt> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 11:37:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.74 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com Subject: LF: Re: TA 12/13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Brian, Yes, he's been sleeping this week. I'll be out late tonight, so I think I will wait until Saturday night / Sunday morning. I'll email you on Saturday to confirm the arrangements. John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 13 May 2005 17:34:14 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWd78-0002xj-Ro for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:34:14 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DWd78-0006AS-5a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:34:14 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.72] (helo=pih-mxcore06.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DWd78-0006AP-45 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:34:14 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWd77-0002xP-To for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:34:14 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DWd6l-0004uc-2y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:33:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DWd6k-0004uT-Nn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:33:50 +0100 Received: from mout2.freenet.de ([194.97.50.155]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWd6i-0007YL-CF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:33:50 +0100 Received: from [194.97.55.190] (helo=mx6.freenet.de) by mout2.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DWd6T-0005Uq-7J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:33:33 +0200 Received: from td9091a0e.pool.terralink.de ([217.9.26.14] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx6.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51 #1) id 1DWd6M-0004jH-IK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:33:26 +0200 Message-ID: <4284D6C0.1030207@freenet.de> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:33:04 +0200 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050513134345.0149d4c0@pop.vianw.pt> In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.2.20050513134345.0149d4c0@pop.vianw.pt> X-Warning: 217.9.26.14 is listed at list.dsbl.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.155 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de Subject: Re: LF: TA 12/13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Hi Brian, > Just traces but three signals around 04:00Z. > Has the Wolf hibernated? > Brian CT1DRP Maybe ... if that (digital) WOLF is a european ... temperatures at night below the freezing point here ! 73, Wolf DL4YHF . P.S. I have improved the GUI documentation a bit, with a suggestion to calibrate the soundcard's sampling rate and the receivers VFO easily using Stewart's frequency measurement mode in WOLF, and LORAN (once received in AM to calibrate the SR and once in USB/CW to calibrate the receiver's VFO). From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 13 May 2005 17:51:38 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWdNy-0002Mc-5F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:51:38 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DWdNx-0000rx-Ff for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:51:37 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.4] (helo=ptb-mxcore04.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DWdNx-0000rq-Bs for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:51:37 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWdRi-0002aq-4Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:55:30 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DWdNF-0004zm-S4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:50:53 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DWdNF-0004zd-Dy for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:50:53 +0100 Received: from smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.199]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWdND-0007eG-Rj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 17:50:53 +0100 Received: (qmail 31976 invoked from network); 13 May 2005 16:50:48 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.199) with ESMTP; 13 May 2005 16:50:48 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c557dd$b8785550$8d01a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050513134345.0149d4c0@pop.vianw.pt> <4284D6C0.1030207@freenet.de> Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 13:03:42 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.199 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com Subject: Re: LF: TA 12/13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Wolf, > Maybe ... if that (digital) WOLF is a european ... temperatures at night > below the freezing point here ! Same here this morning. There have been few signs of global warming here in the NE U.S. this spring. > P.S. I have improved... I was setting up a laptop last night, and noticed the new icon, too. The wolf looks both hungry and happy. John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 13 May 2005 18:13:07 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWdil-0004h1-5q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:13:07 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DWdik-00063h-DI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:13:06 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.74] (helo=pih-mxcore08.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DWdik-00063d-Bg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:13:06 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWdik-0003gm-2H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:13:06 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DWdiU-00056Q-3o for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:12:50 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DWdiT-00056H-OG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:12:49 +0100 Received: from hulk.vianw.pt ([195.22.31.43]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWdiR-0007mW-TJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:12:49 +0100 Received: from slave_13.esoterica.pt ([80.172.153.90]) by hulk.vianw.pt (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4DHChJ7030294 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:12:46 +0100 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20050513165027.0150be88@pop.vianw.pt> X-Sender: nx4ywv@pop.vianw.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 17:11:29 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Brian Rogerson In-Reply-To: <4284D6C0.1030207@freenet.de> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050513134345.0149d4c0@pop.vianw.pt> <5.2.0.9.2.20050513134345.0149d4c0@pop.vianw.pt> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on hulk.vianw.pt X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.22.31.43 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of esoterica.pt Subject: Re: LF: TA 12/13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Wolf, For what it is worth I used the 1KHz divided from the 5MHz out of the gps RX to calibrate the sound card (used Speclab to do the calculation)and then checked it using Wolf's own routine and tweeked it very slightly again. The RA6790 is all phaselocked to the same 5MHz and has 1Hz resolution and I checked that it was receiving on 137441 by putting up a signal, leakage through the change over relays, from Andy's DDS VFO with same 5MHz ref., transmitter not powered, and a trace of about the right magnitude appears spot on in the middle of the waterfall display. Very satisfying. I have the frequency tolerance set at 0.5Hz but no one has appeared the last few days. You said you wanted to encourage activity so I sent out the challenge. I'll download your latest version now. 73, Brian CT1DRP At 16:33 13/05/2005, you wrote: >Hi Brian, > >>Just traces but three signals around 04:00Z. >>Has the Wolf hibernated? >>Brian CT1DRP > >Maybe ... if that (digital) WOLF is a european ... temperatures at night >below the freezing point here ! > >73, Wolf DL4YHF . > >P.S. I have improved the GUI documentation a bit, with a suggestion to >calibrate the soundcard's sampling rate and the receivers VFO easily using >Stewart's frequency measurement mode in WOLF, and LORAN (once received in >AM to calibrate the SR and once in USB/CW to calibrate the receiver's VFO). > > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:10:23 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWiMR-0004Sb-2o for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 23:10:23 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DWiMO-0003tx-UG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 23:10:22 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.72] (helo=pih-mxcore06.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DWiMO-0003tu-Qp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 23:10:20 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWiMO-0006hu-KX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 23:10:20 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DWiLV-0005UC-Oz for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 23:09:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DWiLV-0005U3-Ax for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 23:09:25 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([204.127.198.35]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWiLT-0000cU-Pu for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 23:09:25 +0100 Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc16.attbi.com[204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005051322090801300n44tve>; Fri, 13 May 2005 22:09:17 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by 204.127.197.111; Fri, 13 May 2005 22:09:07 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb lf reflector , LWCA LF Reflector Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 22:09:07 +0000 Message-Id: <051320052209.10982.428525830007220F00002AE622058864420B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.198.35 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net Subject: LF: **Possible** Source of inexpensive R75 CW filters X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello the list... I see in the new QST that R and L electronics has a closeout on the Icom FL54 filter, which is a 270 Hz 9MHz filter for $49.95 . I called R and L and the man said that it looked like the FL-101 Icom filter (same size) but that it seemed to have flimsy solder tabs in place of the pins on an FL-101, but that the spacing of the tabs was the same as the spacing of the pins. I'm thinking this might be a good deal if one could just solder pins to the FL54 and plug it in. Any thoughts? Btw R&L is at www.randl.com -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 14 May 2005 19:04:41 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DX10D-0005B3-PF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 19:04:41 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DX10D-0000sg-1h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 19:04:41 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.74] (helo=pih-mxcore08.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DX10C-0000sd-Tz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 19:04:40 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DX10C-0006EF-OJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 19:04:40 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DX0zK-0006su-So for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 19:03:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DX0zK-0006sl-Di for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 19:03:46 +0100 Received: from fh1025.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.35] helo=n082.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DX0zJ-0004wz-0f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 19:03:46 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.208.202) by n082.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 42437CB20084F81B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 18:03:39 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c55836$29cff520$cad0fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 04:36:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.35 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: acty 136 khz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
Vy little acty this past week on LF. I did work OH1TN on CW. I was testing out a ROPEX abt 140 w output. I had a solid QSO with Reino during late morning time, daylight. Plenty of static crashes about but not a problem on CW over a distance of nearly 1000 miles.
73 de Mal/G3KEV 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 14 May 2005 22:13:30 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DX3wv-000847-W3 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 22:13:30 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DX3ws-0001tm-CD for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 22:13:29 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.75] (helo=pih-mxcore09.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DX3ws-0001tj-9z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 22:13:26 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DX3ws-00083S-58 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 22:13:26 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DX3w8-00073k-CR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 22:12:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DX3w7-00073b-Tj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 22:12:39 +0100 Received: from m11.lax.untd.com ([64.136.30.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DX3w3-0005WH-7T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 22:12:39 +0100 Received: from m11.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m11.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBJN4PJAKDWF6J for (sender ); Sat, 14 May 2005 14:12:08 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewIBT37658SqKp4szGtcJmVWv1RGnaRmwPQ== Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m11.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KSY7UJDA; Sat, 14 May 2005 14:11:58 PDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@lwca.org Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 17:10:57 -0400 Message-ID: <20050514.171057.2724.3.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: riese-k3djc@juno.com X-ContentStamp: 12:6:1627619980 X-MAIL-INFO: 36e060ad60295929c0f0e9c0e97561506585e471b9190c416165b990251951800141cd4101a0e010e9a0f029d9d95475bd00b0913d91701d7024a5a424a4d134f0b48d95144d546d3534b44de1c454c1790935453509b5b031a4b5a57050505194ddf47d74f02974f059e915f0d9150475a519c91049559d6521e4cd8081bd05ede0e545e5c915e98571f0c974bd7549e08015e54961e0241d24a5d950d1f099d4a5953054 X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m11.lax.untd.com|riese-k3djc@juno.com X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of juno.com designates 64.136.30.74 as permitted sender Subject: LF: code Vs text Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
For those that missed it or didnt know about it
 

Hi Gang,
 
Here are the clips.
 
73, John Dilks, k2TQN
 
From: "W1EOF" <w1eof@hamnutz.com>
For those that missed the Leno Show last night and would like to see the
Morse code vs text messaging contest:
 
For the best performance, right click on the link that you want and pick
"Save Target As..." and save it to your local hard drive.
 
 
<http://www.ku3o.net/Morse_Competition.wmv>Morse_Competition.wmv (9.7 MB)
 
or
 
 
 
73, Mark W1EOF
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 14 May 2005 23:52:59 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DX5VD-0004XG-9D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 23:52:59 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DX5VC-0001rC-I9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 23:52:59 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.73] (helo=pih-mxcore07.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DX5VC-0001r9-GW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 23:52:58 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DX5VC-0001Jr-Be for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 23:52:58 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DX5UK-0007BS-Rk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 23:52:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DX5UK-0007BJ-Dg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 23:52:04 +0100 Received: from smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.194]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DX5UH-0005id-Pg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 23:52:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 30977 invoked from network); 14 May 2005 22:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.194) with ESMTP; 14 May 2005 22:51:51 -0000 Message-ID: <004001c558cf$2aa5a320$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: lowfer@lwca.org Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 22:52:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.194 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com Subject: LF: XES Wolf 137.441 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) WD2XES will be running in WOLF mode overnight on 137.441 kHz, starting at 2300 UTC, with the usual 200 watts. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 May 2005 08:41:12 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DXDkO-0004n7-6S for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 15 May 2005 08:41:12 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DXDkK-00074o-Nk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 15 May 2005 08:41:10 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.74] (helo=pih-mxcore08.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DXDkK-00074l-M1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 15 May 2005 08:41:08 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DXDkK-0000hu-Gh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 15 May 2005 08:41:08 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DXDjl-0000av-Ch for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 May 2005 08:40:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DXDjk-0000am-Vx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 May 2005 08:40:32 +0100 Received: from hulk.vianw.pt ([195.22.31.43]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DXDjj-0004iw-Hw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 May 2005 08:40:32 +0100 Received: from slave_13.esoterica.pt ([80.172.153.90]) by hulk.vianw.pt (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id j4F7eRPA001333 for ; Sun, 15 May 2005 08:40:30 +0100 Message-Id: <5.2.0.9.2.20050515073623.01500410@pop.vianw.pt> X-Sender: nx4ywv@pop.vianw.pt X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.2.0.9 Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 07:40:22 +0000 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Brian Rogerson Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on hulk.vianw.pt X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 195.22.31.43 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of esoterica.pt Subject: LF: TA 14/15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit A trace on 137779.7 around 04:00Z but no lock on 137441. Brian CT1DRP From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 15 May 2005 13:34:58 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DXIKg-0000eO-Q2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 15 May 2005 13:34:58 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DXIKg-0004Xj-BR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 15 May 2005 13:34:58 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.74] (helo=pih-mxcore08.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DXIKg-0004Xg-9Q for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 15 May 2005 13:34:58 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DXIKg-0005Bi-27 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 15 May 2005 13:34:58 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DXIKA-0000rV-TU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 May 2005 13:34:26 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DXIKA-0000rM-Bk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 May 2005 13:34:26 +0100 Received: from smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.194]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DXIK8-0005Kb-Vd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 15 May 2005 13:34:26 +0100 Received: (qmail 8905 invoked from network); 15 May 2005 12:34:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.194) with ESMTP; 15 May 2005 12:34:18 -0000 Message-ID: <001101c55942$0fdecb20$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <5.2.0.9.2.20050515073623.01500410@pop.vianw.pt> Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 12:34:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.194 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com Subject: LF: Re: TA 14/15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Brian, In shutting the bench off last night, I inadvertently took XES off the air around 0230 UTC. Oops. Given the present conditions, I think TA work will be unlikely for at least a few days. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 16 May 2005 04:43:47 +0100 Received: from [192.168.71.1] (helo=ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DXWWB-00041d-5h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 16 May 2005 04:43:47 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DXWS4-0001Eo-49 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 16 May 2005 04:39:32 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.73] (helo=pih-mxcore07.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DXWS4-0001El-2H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 16 May 2005 04:39:32 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DXWS3-0001cJ-Qz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 16 May 2005 04:39:31 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DXWQq-0001ag-Kv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 04:38:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DXWQq-0001aX-9K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 04:38:16 +0100 Received: from outbound01.telus.net ([199.185.220.220] helo=priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DXWQo-0007v3-KL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 04:38:16 +0100 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050516033800.JUVX1202.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Sun, 15 May 2005 21:38:00 -0600 Message-ID: <003001c559c8$d2ba8ea0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 20:39:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.220 as permitted sender Subject: LF: CFH on 122.5KHz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Has anyone done serious monitoring of CFH on 122.5 and compared it to results of monitoring attempts on CFH at 137KHz?
 
Seems that the station on 122.5 is on the air constantly and would be curious if there is a strong correlation between prop on the two freq?
 
73 Scott
 
Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL'  in CN89lg at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:42:13 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DXc73-00051e-4G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 16 May 2005 10:42:13 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DXc72-000315-As for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 16 May 2005 10:42:12 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.76] (helo=pih-mxcore10.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DXc72-000312-97 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 16 May 2005 10:42:12 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DXc71-0001CP-VX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 16 May 2005 10:42:12 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DXc6L-0001tx-Mu for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 10:41:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DXc6L-0001to-Bo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 10:41:29 +0100 Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.199]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DXc6H-0000Hh-Sf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 10:41:29 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.32.179 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 16 May 2005 09:41:19 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c559fb$66a54e20$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003001c559c8$d2ba8ea0$0201a8c0@private.network> Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 10:41:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.199 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com Subject: LF: Re: CFH on 122.5KHz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Hi Scott, according to my lists we in europe have a DGPS pilot tone on 122.5kHz from Mainflingen which would swamp any attempted reception of that CFH (or is it CFD) frequency. I think I have tried listening there in the past when I was alerted to that frequency by a Tech who worked at Newport Corner. Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Tilley" To: ; Sent: 16 May 2005 04:39 Subject: LF: CFH on 122.5KHz Has anyone done serious monitoring of CFH on 122.5 and compared it to results of monitoring attempts on CFH at 137KHz? Seems that the station on 122.5 is on the air constantly and would be curious if there is a strong correlation between prop on the two freq? 73 Scott Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL' in CN89lg at: www.scottboxx.com/radio From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 17 May 2005 15:13:21 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DY2oy-000076-35 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 17 May 2005 15:13:21 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DY2ow-00084M-US for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 17 May 2005 15:13:19 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.77] (helo=pih-mxcore11.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DY2ow-00084J-Sa for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 17 May 2005 15:13:18 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DY2ow-0003tJ-Lx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 17 May 2005 15:13:18 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DY2nf-0003Jp-Np for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 15:11:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DY2nf-0003Jg-AB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 15:11:59 +0100 Received: from fh1025.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.35] helo=n082.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DY2nc-0007sD-R7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 15:11:59 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.208.55) by n082.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 4288DFB70003F3AB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 14:11:53 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 00:24:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.35 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: CORES Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I have been winding some transformers recently and have been getting some odd results.
All cores have a prim of 9 turns and 27 turns sec.
 
1. 3C85 58 mm diam Prim inductance 167uh Sec 744 uh
2. Same material abt same size but E core Prim 292 uh Sec 2810 uh no gap.
3. Material unknown out of a smps similar size Prim 21 uh Sec 178 uh no gap
4. TV lopt core again abt same size Prim 79 uh Sec 865 uh no gap
 
The Prim wire is litz 2mm and sec 1mm copper enam wire in all cases.
1 and 2 seem to have a big difference considering the same material, 3 must have a low u.
Has anyone else tried comparisons of cores.
If cores are selected at random and not checked there would be a big variation in results even using the same turns ratio.
The above are intended as output matching transformers in the FET amps like the YXM and MRF class D/E design.
I normally use 1 in my amps but have tried 3 and in spite of the big difference in values it does seem to work and I have not noticed any difference in RF output, which seems strange.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 17 May 2005 19:35:02 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DY6uE-0000T0-65 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 17 May 2005 19:35:02 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DY6uD-00082U-Ed for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 17 May 2005 19:35:02 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.76] (helo=pih-mxcore10.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DY6uD-00082R-Ch for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 17 May 2005 19:35:01 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DY6uC-00015X-Rt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 17 May 2005 19:35:01 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DY6tV-0003a0-QZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 19:34:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DY6tV-0003Zr-A0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 19:34:17 +0100 Received: from amsfep12-int.chello.nl ([213.46.243.17]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DY6tU-00013w-Pn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 19:34:17 +0100 Received: from MARLEEN ([212.83.92.36]) by amsfep12-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050517183409.QBGJ1611.amsfep12-int.chello.nl@MARLEEN> for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 20:34:09 +0200 Message-ID: <004701c55b0f$0514bf50$245c53d4@MARLEEN> From: "PA0WFO" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:34:11 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 213.46.243.17 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of chello.nl Subject: LF: Modification of the blower circuit and VFO drive for the ROPEX LF TRANSMITTER Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
To the members of the rsgb LF group .
 
Those of you who own the ROPEX TX will have the following experience :
 
The blower of the set is making so much noise that it is sometimes difficult to copy the rather weak manual CW sigs that you hear on LF .
I made the following change : You need the following parts 1 transistor pnp 2 N 2905 a tagstrip and a few pieces of wire . Disconnect the black minus wire of the blower and connect it to the emitter of the transistor , connect the collector to the chassis and the base to the collector of the BC547 antennarelaydriver this point is also connected to the minus connection of the transmit Led . The result of this mod is that the blower is off during reception and on during transmit with the same delay as the keying circuit ,  so you can have a quiet shack for listening to weak signals . As the finals do not generate any heat during reception the cooling will be ample .
 
The second modification is more time consuming :
 
The ROPEX is Xtal controlled and after a few QSO,s you will get the urge to connect a VFO for QSY . For the modification you will need the following parts : 1 miniature switch double pole double throw , a BNC chassis female type plug,a 10 nf capacitor and a short piece of RG174 miniature coax or something like it and a few pieces of hookup wire .
Now the most difficult part follows : in order to remove the crystal you have to remove the complete case including the heatsink .
Carefully remove the crystal with solder wick . Make a hole for the switch and the BNC connector on the rear of the chassis on the right side of the blower , this completes the most difficult part of the modification , Now the soldering work . Connect the previous connections of the Xtal on the cicuit board to the poles of the switch by means of two pieces RG174 and the Xtal to one side of the switch ( if you switch to this side the original circuit comes into action and the TX is Xtal controlled as it used to be ) . Thereafter connect the BNC with the 10 nf capacitor  to that side of the switch which switches to terminal 10 of the oscillator IC HCT4060 . Thats all.
Requirements for the VFO : Any VFO giving about 200 to 500 millivolts on the same frequency as the Xtal will do for manual CW.
IMPORTANT! The VFO has to be on or the switch set to Xtaldrive otherwise the TX will take off at random .
You can prevent this by leaving the switch out and just connect the VFO to terminal 10 off the oscillator , more or less as in Dicks PAØSE transmitter ( described in the LF experimenters handbook ) with the slight disadvantage that you cannot use the VFO on the Xtal frequency .
 73,William PAØWFO 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 17 May 2005 20:27:12 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DY7ii-0006ol-5p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 17 May 2005 20:27:12 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DY7ig-0003Tr-97 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 17 May 2005 20:27:12 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.76] (helo=pih-mxcore10.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DY7ig-0003To-6u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 17 May 2005 20:27:10 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DY7if-0006na-TV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 17 May 2005 20:27:10 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DY7iR-0003gG-2Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 20:26:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DY7iQ-0003g7-Lc for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 20:26:54 +0100 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DY7iN-0001VN-ND for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 17 May 2005 20:26:54 +0100 Received: from localhost ([199.185.220.240]) by priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with ESMTP id <20050517192640.CSEA23799.priv-edtnes51.telusplanet.net@localhost> for ; Tue, 17 May 2005 13:26:40 -0600 Received: from 204.174.12.18 ( [204.174.12.18]) as user sthed475@192.168.200.1 by webmail.telus.net with HTTP; Tue, 17 May 2005 12:26:40 -0700 Message-ID: <1116358000.428a457078604@webmail.telus.net> Date: Tue, 17 May 2005 12:26:40 -0700 From: "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> In-Reply-To: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) 3.1-cvs X-Originating-IP: 204.174.12.18 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.223 as permitted sender Subject: Re: LF: CORES Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Mal #3 still has atleast enough inductance to have a reactance 4-5 times that of reflected resistance of a typical xfmr used in LF setups... Imagine the two impedances in // as the inductive reactance increases on the smallest winding it has less and less of an effect on the system... I would imagine that your resistance on the drive side is lower then 3 ohms and your inductive reactance would be in the 20 ohm range which is well within typical folklore for building such a beast... The best situation would be to choose one of the cores for the least number of turns needed to setup the match and still maintain an inductive reatance on the smallest winding of atleast 4 times the desired reflected resistance... The latter produces the most effecient system due to skin effect losses... Watch for saturation with the street ferrite as you hammer it hard... You're into the hair splitting realm... 73 Scott Quoting hamilton mal : > I have been winding some transformers recently and have been getting some odd > results. > All cores have a prim of 9 turns and 27 turns sec. > > 1. 3C85 58 mm diam Prim inductance 167uh Sec 744 uh > 2. Same material abt same size but E core Prim 292 uh Sec 2810 uh no gap. > 3. Material unknown out of a smps similar size Prim 21 uh Sec 178 uh no gap > 4. TV lopt core again abt same size Prim 79 uh Sec 865 uh no gap > > The Prim wire is litz 2mm and sec 1mm copper enam wire in all cases. > 1 and 2 seem to have a big difference considering the same material, 3 must > have a low u. > Has anyone else tried comparisons of cores. > If cores are selected at random and not checked there would be a big > variation in results even using the same turns ratio. > The above are intended as output matching transformers in the FET amps like > the YXM and MRF class D/E design. > I normally use 1 in my amps but have tried 3 and in spite of the big > difference in values it does seem to work and I have not noticed any > difference in RF output, which seems strange. > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 May 2005 02:06:45 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYD1J-0007Nn-6Y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 02:06:45 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DYD1I-0002iB-91 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 02:06:45 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYD1I-0002i8-6j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 02:06:44 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYD5a-0003hY-2c for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 02:11:10 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DYD0a-0003zb-JK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 02:06:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DYD0Z-0003zS-RS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 02:05:59 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYD0Y-00037c-6T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 02:05:59 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.6.172 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2005 01:05:50 -0000 Message-ID: <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 02:05:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.204 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btopenworld.com Subject: LF: Re: CORES Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear Mal, LF group,
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 12:24 AM
Subject: LF: CORES

I have been winding some transformers recently and have been getting some odd results.
All cores have a prim of 9 turns and 27 turns sec.
 
1. 3C85 58 mm diam Prim inductance 167uh Sec 744 uh
2. Same material abt same size but E core Prim 292 uh Sec 2810 uh no gap.
3. Material unknown out of a smps similar size Prim 21 uh Sec 178 uh no gap
4. TV lopt core again abt same size Prim 79 uh Sec 865 uh no gap
 The figures for the primary inductance seem quite reasonable, except no. 3 has rather low AL value for a ferrite transformer core, if that is what it is - perhaps it is iron dust? But with 3:1 turns ratio, the secondary inductance should be close to 9 times the primary - definitely not so in the case of 1, so something odd there. As to whether that is a good number of turns, it depends what DC voltage and power output level you are looking to operate at.
The Prim wire is litz 2mm and sec 1mm copper enam wire in all cases.
1 and 2 seem to have a big difference considering the same material, 3 must have a low u.
Has anyone else tried comparisons of cores.
If cores are selected at random and not checked there would be a big variation in results even using the same turns ratio.
Selecting components at random will usually give random results ... but provided the transformer has enough inductance, the right turns ratio, and does not saturate or overheat, a very wide range of constructions will actually work. These cores are probably capable of handling between several hundred watts to a couple of kilowatts with optimum winding design, but even with non-optimum design they will still work OK but be less efficient and more likely to overheat.
The above are intended as output matching transformers in the FET amps like the YXM and MRF class D/E design.
I normally use 1 in my amps but have tried 3 and in spite of the big difference in values it does seem to work and I have not noticed any difference in RF output, which seems strange.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
If you could take a selection of ideal, loss-free, inductors, capacitors, switching devices and transformers, connect them together in a circuit, then apply DC and 137kHz drive at one end and take output at the other end via a 137kHz low-pass or band-pass filter, you would have a 100% efficient switching mode PA stage. It would not matter what the component values were, or even how they were connected together, since the only way energy could leave the system would be as a 137kHz sine wave. Of course the real world is not quite like this; many possible combinations of components would result in impractically large or small voltages and currents, and real components do have losses, get hot, go bang etc. But even so, provided the circuit is halfway sensible and the components have reasonably low loss at the voltage and current levels they operate at, the majority of the DC input power will end up as RF power in the load, simply because there is nowhere else for it to go. This makes switching PA stages very tolerant of variations in some components. It is quite easy to end up with a PA circuit that "works" in so far as it generates substantial RF output, but on connecting an oscilloscope you find the most peculiar waveforms, with more harmonics than fundamental and wild voltage and current spikes. But because the output usually has a quite good low-pass filter, a nice sine wave is delivered to the load. However, a nasty waveform usually means at least some of the components are under a lot of stress, so it is always worth checking the PA has reasonable-looking waveforms, even if it otherwise seems to be working.
 
Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU
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Hi All
Where  would I find a good book about class D and E amp design including the mathematics? and matching transformer info using ferrite materials for optimum efficiency at RF into 50ohm loads.
I have found some info on the subject but am looking for the ultimate design, if there is such a thing. 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
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One, of the best software here, Mal.
 
And fine work G3NYK Exel spreadsheet
73! Vlad. RX3QFM
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 11:37 AM
Subject: LF: CLASS D/E

Hi All
Where  would I find a good book about class D and E amp design including the mathematics? and matching transformer info using ferrite materials for optimum efficiency at RF into 50ohm loads.
I have found some info on the subject but am looking for the ultimate design, if there is such a thing. 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
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----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 1:24 AM
Subject: LF: CORES

I have been winding some transformers recently and have been getting some odd results.
All cores have a prim of 9 turns and 27 turns sec.
 
1. 3C85 58 mm diam Prim inductance 167uh Sec 744 uh
2. Same material abt same size but E core Prim 292 uh Sec 2810 uh no gap.
3. Material unknown out of a smps similar size Prim 21 uh Sec 178 uh no gap
4. TV lopt core again abt same size Prim 79 uh Sec 865 uh no gap
 
The Prim wire is litz 2mm and sec 1mm copper enam wire in all cases.
1 and 2 seem to have a big difference considering the same material, 3 must have a low u.
Has anyone else tried comparisons of cores.
If cores are selected at random and not checked there would be a big variation in results even using the same turns ratio.
The above are intended as output matching transformers in the FET amps like the YXM and MRF class D/E design.
I normally use 1 in my amps but have tried 3 and in spite of the big difference in values it does seem to work and I have not noticed any difference in RF output, which seems strange.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
Hi Mal:
Your core no. 1 would be my choice. The best core configuration will always be the
toroid as it has the lowest leakage (translate that into: giving a transformer with a
minimum of spikes).Your secondary inductance figure is wrong, probably an error
of measurement, but never mind that.
Your core no. 2 , I guess it is a 56/24/19 E-core, is OK --. I assume you have an
inadverted air gap of probably about a tenth of a milimeter in that core.
Both 1 and 2 are OK with regard to ferrite magnetization up to at least 400 Watt.
Your core no. 3 is probably a low permeability (7-800 mu) one. I would not like
its low inductance (I always when designing conservatively start out with a
transformer impedance ten times the circuit impedance). 
No comments on your no. 4 transformer.
A  general comment: If posible choose a core with a short magnetic path (and
no air gap (however provided you do not have a DC-problem!)). Spread the windings
over  the core circumference. Keep the inductance as high as possible in
order to keep the magnetizing current (and core stored energy) as low as posible.
These precautions will help you to keep spikes (the transistor killers) at
a minimum.
Good luck with your further experiments!
73 =
Niels/OZ8NJ+
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:57:43 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYMFD-0000Dm-Fx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:57:43 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DYMFC-0003TB-Jn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:57:43 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.4] (helo=ptb-mxcore04.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYMFC-0003T8-Hb for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:57:42 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYMJP-0007My-D2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:02:03 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DYMEv-0004u3-Ew for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:57:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DYMEv-0004tu-1A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:57:25 +0100 Received: from mailfe10.swipnet.se ([212.247.155.33] helo=swip.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYMEt-0005jA-Ha for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 11:57:25 +0100 X-T2-Posting-ID: 3bgU4LVfFOB/SKpu7D1OzA== Received: from [212.151.11.26] ([212.151.11.26] verified) by mailfe10.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTP id 160830056 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:57:16 +0200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.308 [266.11.12]); Wed, 18 May 2005 10:57:29 +0000 Message-ID: <428B1F97.7040007@tele2.se> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 10:57:27 +0000 From: Johan Bodin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55b7c$8c384f20$14d0fc3e@l8p8y6> In-Reply-To: <000c01c55b7c$8c384f20$14d0fc3e@l8p8y6> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.247.155.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tele2.se Subject: Re: LF: CLASS D/E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Mal wrote: > Hi All > Where would I find a good book about class D and E amp design including > the mathematics? Mal, regarding class E, the best paper I have ever seen is "Class-E RF Power Amplifiers" by Nathan O. Sokal, WA1HQC. The author is one of the inventors of class E. It was published in Jan/Feb QEX 2001. You will find it in .pdf format here: http://www.classeradio.com/sokal2corrected.pdf Another good source of information on class D/E/F switching amplifiers, with some math, can be found in the chapter "High Efficiency Power Amplifiers" in the book "Solid State Radio Engineering" by F. Raab et al. Class E has lower "transistor utilization factor" than class D so any given transistor will have less maximum output power in class E. However, class E has some great advantages. For example, The nasty (go-bang!) voltage spikes often seen in class D amplifiers does not exist in a properly designed class E amplifier! Another advantage is that the drive requirements are very relaxed compared to class D, especially current switching class D, because the majority of the current flows in the middle of the "ON period" of the class E transistor, very little near the on/off edges. Some HF designs even use sinusoidal drive with good results! In my opinion, Class E is smooth, simple, elegant and (literally) cool. There is a considerable amount of even harmonics in the output of a single ended class E stage, especially if the series resonant tank has relatively low Q. Instead of building a super-duper lowpass filter, you may wish to build a push-pull class E amplifier, where the even harmonics are cancelled by symmetry, and get away with a less elaborate lowpass filter. It is simple. Design a class E stage for half the desired output. Then build two such stages, each with separate DC feeding chokes and separate drain-source parallel capacitors. Drive the two stages with a 180-degree (push-pull) signal (50% duty cycle square wave) and let both stages share a common series tank and output transformer. Tank L = twice the L from the single stage design and tank C = design C / 2. Transformer primary input impedance = 2 * single stage design load impedance. The DC feeding choke(s) has to be quite large in order not to interfere with the (non-sinusoidal) waveform at the transistor drain/collector. In the "schoolbook example", the choke is there only to feed a constant DC current into the stage and the choke simply doesn't exist at RF frequencies... Values as high as XL = 30*XC of the drain/source capacitor has been mentioned but I think it is possible to get away with a somewhat smaller value. A nice program for class E design is available at http://tonnesoftware.com/ (Look for ClassE) A handful of IRFP450 at 80V supply voltage (or so) will deliver a respectable power (even in class E :-)... 73 Johan SM6LKM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.12 - Release Date: 2005-05-17 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 May 2005 12:14:03 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYMV1-0008Nx-E8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:14:03 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DYMV0-0002P5-Uh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:14:03 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.77] (helo=pih-mxcore11.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYMV0-0002P2-S8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:14:02 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYMV0-0008NL-GG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:14:02 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DYMUb-0004zV-9l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:13:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DYMUa-0004zM-UV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:13:36 +0100 Received: from smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.142]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYMUZ-0005pE-EH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 12:13:36 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.133.112 with login) by smtp800.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 18 May 2005 11:13:29 -0000 Message-ID: <001801c55b9a$a3fec080$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: "LF-Group" Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 11:58:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.142 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com Subject: Fw: LF: CLASS D/E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Posted on behalf of Andre who seems to be "blackballed" from the club at present. Alan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andre Kesteloot" To: ; ; "Alan Melia" Sent: 18 May 2005 11:37 Subject: Re: LF: CLASS D/E > hamilton mal wrote: > > > Hi All > > Where would I find a good book about class D and E amp design > > including the mathematics? and matching transformer info using ferrite > > materials for optimum efficiency at RF into 50ohm loads. > > I have found some info on the subject but am looking for the ultimate > > design, if there is such a thing. > > 73 de Mal/G3KEV > > Mal, > The book I have ever seen on the subject is > Solid State Radio Engineering > by Herbert Krauss, Charles Bostian and Frederick Raab, > published in 1980 by > John Wiley and Sons NY Chichester Brisbane Toronto Singapore > ISBN 0-471-03018-X > > Hope this helps. > 73 > André N4ICK > > > Dear Alan, > my postings to Blacksheep don't seem to make it, these days :-( > (Possibly Verizon, my ISP, is considered by Blacksheep as a spam conduit?) > Could I ask you to kindly re-post this msg. to the RSGB reflector, as > the subject may be of interest to others in the LF group? > > Thanks in advance and 73 > André N4ICK > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 May 2005 15:45:31 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYPne-0003mS-Hm for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 15:45:30 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DYPnd-00050u-PR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 15:45:30 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.4] (helo=ptb-mxcore04.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYPnd-00050q-Mi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 15:45:29 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYPrr-0000mM-Eu for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 15:49:51 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DYPmG-0005NH-Cp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 15:44:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DYPmF-0005N8-VM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 15:44:03 +0100 Received: from fh1024.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.34] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYPmE-0006yg-GA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 15:44:03 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.55) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 4288DEAB000C1468 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 14:43:54 +0000 Message-ID: <003a01c55baf$b26e3aa0$14d0fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 14:43:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.34 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: cores Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
Another anomaly about these ferrite transformers. I wound a 3c type core with a Sec of 24 turns and measured it to be 1.38 mh then over wound this with the prim of 8 turns, this reduced the Sec to 982 uh with a prim of 110 uh. The ratio is about right x9 for a 1:3 ratio. I suppose meaurements should only be made when the transformer is complete with all windings, but it does show the effects of multiple windings over a single layer.
Except one has a lot of test equipment it seems most dabblers are working in the dark especially at LF, no wonder there are so many BANGS especially the FETS!!!!!!!1
To guarantee a robust no bang amplifier maybe TUBES are still the best bet.
From messages received it appears to be that as long as the ratio Prim /Sec is correct the ferrite material is not important but then why such a variety of different core material, although I do realise that certain other ccts at HF work better with a particular core mix.
I could do with some design literature written by others that  have experience in the ferrite  transformer research field.
 73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:20:19 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYT9X-0000N3-H8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 19:20:19 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DYT9W-0006YQ-Pk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 19:20:19 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.76] (helo=pih-mxcore10.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYT9W-0006YN-Nn for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 19:20:18 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYT9W-0002Qv-Gv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 19:20:18 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DYT8x-0005hy-4M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 19:19:43 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DYT8w-0005hp-LA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 19:19:42 +0100 Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk ([195.41.46.235]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYT8v-00083d-1l for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 19:19:42 +0100 Received: from preinstapdq0tf (0x50a46c54.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [80.164.108.84]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 7DD5747FECA for ; Wed, 18 May 2005 20:19:37 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <001301c55bd6$25063560$546ca450@preinstapdq0tf> From: "Niels Rudberg J?rgensen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003a01c55baf$b26e3aa0$14d0fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 20:19:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of post.tele.dk designates 195.41.46.235 as permitted sender Subject: LF: Re: cores Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2005 3:43 PM
Subject: LF: cores

Hi All
Another anomaly about these ferrite transformers. I wound a 3c type core with a Sec of 24 turns and measured it to be 1.38 mh then over wound this with the prim of 8 turns, this reduced the Sec to 982 uh with a prim of 110 uh. The ratio is about right x9 for a 1:3 ratio. I suppose meaurements should only be made when the transformer is complete with all windings, but it does show the effects of multiple windings over a single layer.
Except one has a lot of test equipment it seems most dabblers are working in the dark especially at LF, no wonder there are so many BANGS especially the FETS!!!!!!!1
To guarantee a robust no bang amplifier maybe TUBES are still the best bet.
From messages received it appears to be that as long as the ratio Prim /Sec is correct the ferrite material is not important but then why such a variety of different core material, although I do realise that certain other ccts at HF work better with a particular core mix.
I could do with some design literature written by others that  have experience in the ferrite  transformer research field.
 73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
Hi Mal!
You do not tell how you measure inductance.
First, you can be absolutely sure that in a reasonably well designed transformer
(negligible leakage) the inductance ratio will always be equal to the square of the
turns ratio.
When it comes to measuring inductance, things are quite complicated. The
core permeability is not constant with frequency, but varies quite a bit. In ferrite
catalogues you will find a term called the complex permeability. The real
component of this term is what gives you inductance whereas the complex
component represents losses. Thus the inductance reading you find is dependent
e.g. on the test frequency of your inductance meter. In particular, if your test
frequency is high, you are really bad off!  With a high test frequency, winding
capacitances  may come into the picture, too.
A tip: Measure inductance with a test bridge at a low (much lower than 136 kHz)
frequency and make allowance for the complex permeability, -- or make your
measurement at 136 kHz (test set up: generator - inductance - variable resistor, 
meter and a 3-dB criterion).
73=
Niels/OZ8NJ+
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 May 2005 19:37:49 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYTQT-0006ki-RA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 19:37:49 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DYTQR-00055h-Ou for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 19:37:49 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.2] (helo=ptb-mxcore02.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYTQR-00055e-MP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 19:37:47 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYTUk-00038k-0d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 19:42:14 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DYTQD-0005mm-2C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 19:37:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DYTQC-0005md-FU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 19:37:32 +0100 Received: from fh1024.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.34] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYTQ9-00089J-LP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 19:37:32 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.209.182) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 4288DEAB000CDF5D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 18:37:28 +0000 Message-ID: <004601c55bd0$531c0e80$14d0fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004701c55b0f$0514bf50$245c53d4@MARLEEN> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 18:37:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.34 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: Re: Modification of the blower circuit and VFO drive for the ROPEX LF TRANSMITTER Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
From: PA0WFO
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:34 PM
Subject: LF: Modification of the blower circuit and VFO drive for the ROPEX LF TRANSMITTER

To the members of the rsgb LF group .
 
Those of you who own the ROPEX TX will have the following experience :
 
The blower of the set is making so much noise that it is sometimes difficult to copy the rather weak manual CW sigs that you hear on LF .
I made the following change : You need the following parts 1 transistor pnp 2 N 2905 a tagstrip and a few pieces of wire . Disconnect the black minus wire of the blower and connect it to the emitter of the transistor , connect the collector to the chassis and the base to the collector of the BC547 antennarelaydriver this point is also connected to the minus connection of the transmit Led . The result of this mod is that the blower is off during reception and on during transmit with the same delay as the keying circuit ,  so you can have a quiet shack for listening to weak signals . As the finals do not generate any heat during reception the cooling will be ample .
 
The second modification is more time consuming :
 
The ROPEX is Xtal controlled and after a few QSO,s you will get the urge to connect a VFO for QSY . For the modification you will need the following parts : 1 miniature switch double pole double throw , a BNC chassis female type plug,a 10 nf capacitor and a short piece of RG174 miniature coax or something like it and a few pieces of hookup wire .
Now the most difficult part follows : in order to remove the crystal you have to remove the complete case including the heatsink .
Carefully remove the crystal with solder wick . Make a hole for the switch and the BNC connector on the rear of the chassis on the right side of the blower , this completes the most difficult part of the modification , Now the soldering work . Connect the previous connections of the Xtal on the cicuit board to the poles of the switch by means of two pieces RG174 and the Xtal to one side of the switch ( if you switch to this side the original circuit comes into action and the TX is Xtal controlled as it used to be ) . Thereafter connect the BNC with the 10 nf capacitor  to that side of the switch which switches to terminal 10 of the oscillator IC HCT4060 . Thats all.
Requirements for the VFO : Any VFO giving about 200 to 500 millivolts on the same frequency as the Xtal will do for manual CW.
IMPORTANT! The VFO has to be on or the switch set to Xtaldrive otherwise the TX will take off at random .
You can prevent this by leaving the switch out and just connect the VFO to terminal 10 off the oscillator , more or less as in Dicks PAØSE transmitter ( described in the LF experimenters handbook ) with the slight disadvantage that you cannot use the VFO on the Xtal frequency .
 73,William PAØWFO 
 
A good article on the Ropex William. It is a very useful TX for LF considering its size. I have been using mine recently and it performs very well considering the low power, although I have a good LF antenna system.
One thing to mention, if you use a grounded antenna matching system for 50 ohms at the base of the antenna the Ropex will not work on the high pwr setting, this is a well known problem but it can be overcome by using an extra LPF at the antenna output socket feeding the 50 ohm coax to the antenna.
73 cul de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:30:33 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYW7d-0008SP-EW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 22:30:33 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DYW7c-0003oU-TL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 22:30:33 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.72] (helo=pih-mxcore06.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYW7c-0003oR-RT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 22:30:32 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYW7c-0000vt-Lx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 18 May 2005 22:30:32 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DYW76-0005zH-3a for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 22:30:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DYW75-0005z8-Iz for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 22:29:59 +0100 Received: from amsfep19-int.chello.nl ([213.46.243.20]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYW74-0000qx-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 18 May 2005 22:29:59 +0100 Received: from MARLEEN ([212.83.92.36]) by amsfep19-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050518212950.PCOI25247.amsfep19-int.chello.nl@MARLEEN> for ; Wed, 18 May 2005 23:29:50 +0200 Message-ID: <001e01c55bf0$bc0574c0$245c53d4@MARLEEN> From: "PA0WFO" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 23:29:55 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 213.46.243.20 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of chello.nl Subject: LF: Fw: Re: Modification of the blower circuit and VFO drive for the ROPEX LF TRANSMITTER Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Mal and the LF group ,
The problem is known Mal  (caused by the protection circuit which measures the current to the antenna terminal ) but as the total resistance in my antenna system is 65 Ohms I can connect my loading coil in series with the antenna and still have a good match . The RX is protected against statics by the two antiparalel type 1N4007 diodes fitted over the RX terminals in the Ropex . Tnx for your reaction  hope to work you soon again with manual CW.
73,William PAØWFO
 
 
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A good article on the Ropex William. It is a very useful TX for LF considering its size. I have been using mine recently and it performs very well considering the low power, although I have a good LF antenna system.
One thing to mention, if you use a grounded antenna matching system for 50 ohms at the base of the antenna the Ropex will not work on the high pwr setting, this is a well known problem but it can be overcome by using an extra LPF at the antenna output socket feeding the 50 ohm coax to the antenna.
73 cul de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 May 2005 06:32:58 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DYdeT-0008Cm-1J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 19 May 2005 06:32:58 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DYdeS-0008CZ-RZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 19 May 2005 06:32:56 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DYddf-0006Xh-QR for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 06:32:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DYdda-0006XY-G2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 06:32:02 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYddY-0002MD-2F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 06:32:02 +0100 Received: from jsm (unknown [209.121.18.253]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 5AEE0B7C4D for ; Wed, 18 May 2005 22:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001101c55c33$ba851ae0$fd1279d1@jsm> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55b7c$8c384f20$14d0fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Wed, 18 May 2005 22:29:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 208.181.178.5 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of gulfislands.com Subject: LF: Re: CLASS D/E Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
Mal - you may find this of interest:
 
 
Steve / VE7SL
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 May 2005 13:40:36 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYkKK-0002dl-Du for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 19 May 2005 13:40:36 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.74] (helo=pih-mxcore08.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYkKK-0005wt-1X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 19 May 2005 13:40:36 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYkKG-0002ah-0R for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 19 May 2005 13:40:35 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DYkF6-00071E-AL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 13:35:12 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DYkF5-000715-5g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 13:35:11 +0100 Received: from gander.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.65]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYkF2-0004hH-Vd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 13:35:11 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by gander.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4JCYw35016409 for ; Thu, 19 May 2005 10:04:58 -0230 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j4JCYvTW009168 for ; Thu, 19 May 2005 10:04:57 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id j4JCYvx9008604; Thu, 19 May 2005 10:04:57 -0230 (NDT) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 10:04:57 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: LF-Group In-Reply-To: <001801c55b9a$a3fec080$6507a8c0@Main> Message-ID: References: <001801c55b9a$a3fec080$6507a8c0@Main> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.153.232.65 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: LF: QST article Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hi Alan, Sorry to bother you yet again, but have you had the chance to look at that article again? I've pruned it quite a bit (the geranium in my office suffered the same fate also) and left a bit more room for your section. Your pruning advice was very good. We had a chap up to peg the corners of the shed. I have asked that a large conduit run from the shed to the house to accommodate the AC mains and of course the coax and control lines. I will be feeding an LF aerial from the back of the shed and will have lots of ground wires etc. to reduce losses. We have had a long drainage ditch excavated behind the shed. Do you think it might be worth while to put some copper wire as a ground in the ditch before it is backfilled? Lets hope things get back to normal after this latest storm. Joe From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 May 2005 14:41:22 +0100 Received: from [192.168.71.8] (helo=pih-spamcore04.plus.net) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYlH8-0002YS-JQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 19 May 2005 14:41:22 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYlCl-0005R5-RB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 19 May 2005 14:36:51 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYlH6-0001ZF-CI for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 19 May 2005 14:41:21 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DYlAH-00078n-6j for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 14:34:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DYlAG-00078e-SU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 14:34:16 +0100 Received: from gander.ucs.mun.ca ([134.153.232.65]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYlAF-00054j-8N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 14:34:17 +0100 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (root@plato.ucs.mun.ca [134.153.232.151]) by gander.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id j4JDW23B006632 for ; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:03:57 -0230 Received: from plato.ucs.mun.ca (jcraig@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.3) with ESMTP id j4JDUXTW024717 for ; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:00:33 -0230 (NDT) Received: (from jcraig@localhost) by plato.ucs.mun.ca (8.12.3p2/8.12.1/Submit) id j4JDUXTa019182; Thu, 19 May 2005 11:00:33 -0230 (NDT) Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:00:33 -0230 (NDT) From: Joe Craig X-X-Sender: jcraig@plato.ucs.mun.ca To: LF-Group In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <001801c55b9a$a3fec080$6507a8c0@Main> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Report: -10 USER_IN_WHITELIST From: address is in the user's white-list * -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 134.153.232.65 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of morgan.ucs.mun.ca X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Spam-Report: autolearn=failed,none Subject: Re: LF: QST article Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Group, My apologies for sending my last message to the entire reflector. Joe VO1NA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:46:43 +0100 Received: from [192.168.71.3] (helo=ptb-spamcore02.plus.net) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYmIN-0003FX-Co for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:46:43 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DYmDw-0000K0-D4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:42:11 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.4] (helo=ptb-mxcore04.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYmDw-0000Ju-93 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:42:08 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYmIF-00069T-U0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:46:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DYmD4-0007IW-3n for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:41:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DYmD3-0007IN-P3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:41:13 +0100 Received: from mailout10.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.21]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYmD2-0005Qs-Pa for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:41:15 +0100 Received: from fwd19.aul.t-online.de by mailout10.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DYmD0-0003Ul-09; Thu, 19 May 2005 16:41:10 +0200 Received: from HW1 (Z4sgdQZcred8hVtdFQvuYqRaYsCNYXtbP1bhDfnWJOYJdU1nwVMAZX@[84.133.77.222]) by fwd19.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1DYmCw-0UlHDk0; Thu, 19 May 2005 16:41:06 +0200 Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 16:41:03 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <156798418.20050519164103@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: Z4sgdQZcred8hVtdFQvuYqRaYsCNYXtbP1bhDfnWJOYJdU1nwVMAZX X-TOI-MSGID: 32cab8dc-84d0-4122-bd87-afeae369d9ca X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.21 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de Subject: LF: TA May, 18/19th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) TA signals back last night. A brief copy of a "XGJ" 0035-0055z. Traces from VO1NA 0015-0030 and 0100-0130. 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 19 May 2005 15:52:37 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYmO4-0003gg-Vq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:52:37 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DYmO4-0003iN-Ec for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:52:36 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.75] (helo=pih-mxcore09.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DYmO4-0003iC-Aw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:52:36 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DYmO4-00065i-59 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:52:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DYmMm-0007NM-I3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:51:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DYmMm-0007ND-6o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:51:16 +0100 Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DYmMk-0005Uw-FL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 19 May 2005 15:51:16 +0100 Received: (qmail 27704 invoked from network); 19 May 2005 14:51:10 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 19 May 2005 14:51:10 -0000 Message-ID: <006d01c55c84$15481090$8d01a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <156798418.20050519164103@t-online.de> Date: Thu, 19 May 2005 11:04:35 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.74 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com Subject: LF: Re: TA May, 18/19th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) > TA signals back last night. A brief copy of a "XGJ" 0035-0055z. Traces > from VO1NA 0015-0030 and 0100-0130. I saw some XGJ copy on Markus' screen around the same time. Since conditions are improving, WD2XES will resume nighttime WOLF operation on 137.441 kHz by 0000 UTC tonight. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:03:11 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZAtz-0008KQ-KT for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 20 May 2005 18:03:11 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DZAtu-0001W4-Ox for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 20 May 2005 18:03:11 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.4] (helo=ptb-mxcore04.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DZAtu-0001W1-MV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 20 May 2005 18:03:06 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZAyK-0003uv-T7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 20 May 2005 18:07:41 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DZAsh-0001D5-Rc for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 18:01:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DZAsh-0001Cw-Gs for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 18:01:51 +0100 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZAsg-0004iC-5R for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 20 May 2005 18:01:51 +0100 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-125.fen-net.de [212.204.117.5]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j4KGx8Wl004326 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 18:59:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <001401c55d5e$3bc4f640$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 19:06:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de Subject: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear friends,
        yesterday we came back from our Uzbekistan trip in time, safe, unhurt and with all our belongings.
DI2AG is now on air again on 440.044KHz with 0.5W ERP and QRSS3.
Your reports are welcome.
73    Walter    DJ2LF
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 May 2005 01:51:51 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZIDX-0000Qs-6V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 01:51:51 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DZIDQ-0002ap-Ut for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 01:51:48 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.4] (helo=ptb-mxcore04.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DZIDQ-0002ag-Ra for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 01:51:44 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZIHs-0006qd-Tl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 01:56:21 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DZICe-0001pf-7R for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 01:50:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DZICd-0001pW-L2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 01:50:55 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZICb-0006pM-Tl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 01:50:55 +0100 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4L0fVMl022110 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 20:41:31 -0400 Received: from server (dial139-ripley2.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.149.139]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id j4L0lpai015333 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 20:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002f01c55d97$09df4840$8c802ed8@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 00:52:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.46.129.246 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hurontel.on.ca Subject: LF: Loop antenna problem Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello LF Group,
 
I've finally finished the construction of my LF loop and I appear to have a
problem with it regarding the connection to the receiver.  The loop itself
is in the form of an octagon, with an overall diameter of 10.5 feet, and it
consists of 15 turns of number 12 THHN stranded wire.  The spacing of
the turns is 0.25 inch and the tuning is done with a 3 gang, 400 pF. per
section, variable capacitor with all sections connected in parallel.
 
Checking with a weak signal source, the tuning range is roughly 100 to
300 kHz.  This agrees with Reg's program for multi-turn loop antennas.
A portable radio covering the LF band really comes to life when I bring
it close to the loop, and by turning the loop in azimuth I can peak the
signals and/or null out noise.  This would indicate that it is working as
I would expect.
 
The problem is with the pickup loop, which is of the classical shielded
construction as described in many antenna books.  Mine is made from
RG-213 coax and it's positioned roughly six inches inside of the main
loop windings, but in the same plane.  The station receiver, a TS-440S,
gets better reception of LF signals when it's connected to my 40 meter
delta loop than it does with the LF loop!!  I know the feedline is OK, as
I've checked it with an MFJ-259  antenna bridge and a 50 ohm load at
the antenna end.
 
The one suspicion I do have is that the cable clamps I've used to hold
the pickup loop to the frame are made of metal and are shaped like a
capital letter P.  I'm wondering if these look like shorted turns to the
pickup loop and are attenuating the signal?  Before I get out my big
stepladder and replace them, I thought I'd ask the opinions of those
of you who have gone before me.  Any/all suggestions are welcome.
 
73, J.B. Weazle McCreath, VE3EAR - VE3WZL
   
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 May 2005 02:05:34 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DZIQn-0006VR-EQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 02:05:34 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DZIQn-0006VF-8D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 02:05:33 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DZIQJ-0001v9-Ol for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 02:05:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DZIQJ-0001v0-5o for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 02:05:03 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZIQH-0006sS-3f for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 02:05:03 +0100 Received: from p1i5f0 (unknown [204.244.17.71]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 35A8CB6D73 for ; Fri, 20 May 2005 18:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00a201c55da1$6f8174c0$6e11f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> <002f01c55d97$09df4840$8c802ed8@server> Date: Fri, 20 May 2005 18:07:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 208.181.178.5 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of gulfislands.com Subject: LF: Re: Loop antenna problem Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
JB - the pickup loop should not be shielded....just use a piece of wire (any guage...no need for #12)... that the main loop is made from. A single turn, connected across your coax feedline.
 
Steve / VE7SL
 

 
Hello LF Group,
 
I've finally finished the construction of my LF loop and I appear to have a
problem with it regarding the connection to the receiver.  The loop itself
is in the form of an octagon, with an overall diameter of 10.5 feet, and it
consists of 15 turns of number 12 THHN stranded wire.  The spacing of
the turns is 0.25 inch and the tuning is done with a 3 gang, 400 pF. per
section, variable capacitor with all sections connected in parallel.
 
Checking with a weak signal source, the tuning range is roughly 100 to
300 kHz.  This agrees with Reg's program for multi-turn loop antennas.
A portable radio covering the LF band really comes to life when I bring
it close to the loop, and by turning the loop in azimuth I can peak the
signals and/or null out noise.  This would indicate that it is working as
I would expect.
 
The problem is with the pickup loop, which is of the classical shielded
construction as described in many antenna books.  Mine is made from
RG-213 coax and it's positioned roughly six inches inside of the main
loop windings, but in the same plane.  The station receiver, a TS-440S,
gets better reception of LF signals when it's connected to my 40 meter
delta loop than it does with the LF loop!!  I know the feedline is OK, as
I've checked it with an MFJ-259  antenna bridge and a 50 ohm load at
the antenna end.
 
The one suspicion I do have is that the cable clamps I've used to hold
the pickup loop to the frame are made of metal and are shaped like a
capital letter P.  I'm wondering if these look like shorted turns to the
pickup loop and are attenuating the signal?  Before I get out my big
stepladder and replace them, I thought I'd ask the opinions of those
of you who have gone before me.  Any/all suggestions are welcome.
 
73, J.B. Weazle McCreath, VE3EAR - VE3WZL
   
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 May 2005 02:12:30 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZIXW-0006Y4-D2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 02:12:30 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DZIXV-0006iI-O1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 02:12:30 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.76] (helo=pih-mxcore10.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DZIXV-0006i4-KR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 02:12:29 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZIXV-0002Z7-ED for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 02:12:29 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DZIXF-00020F-DB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 02:12:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DZIXF-000206-0s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 02:12:13 +0100 Received: from smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.79]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZIXC-0006ub-Ep for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 02:12:12 +0100 Received: (qmail 13887 invoked from network); 21 May 2005 01:12:06 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout01-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.79) with ESMTP; 21 May 2005 01:12:06 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c55d99$bb7d7cf0$0700a8c0@Laptop> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> <002f01c55d97$09df4840$8c802ed8@server> Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 01:12:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.79 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com Subject: LF: Re: Loop antenna problem Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
J.B.,
 
The clamps are in the wrong plane to present a short, so don't worry about that. Describe the connection of the feedline to the RG-213 link, please. I'm guessing that the coax feedline comes to the bottom, continues around to form the loop, and then the center conductor attaches to the feedline shield at the bottom, with no shield connection from the end. Sound right?
 
The shielding is probably not buying you much, and may be complicating the issue. A simple wire link turn connected to the center conductor and the feedline shield would work as well.
 
John Andrews, W1TAG
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 May 2005 09:35:01 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZPRl-000269-Lo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 09:35:01 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DZPRk-0002dJ-If for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 09:35:01 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.4] (helo=ptb-mxcore04.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DZPRk-0002dF-F1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 09:35:00 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZPWE-0000BI-EZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 09:39:38 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DZPRD-00031r-IL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 09:34:27 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DZPRC-00031i-OC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 09:34:26 +0100 Received: from pfepa.post.tele.dk ([195.41.46.235]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZPRB-0000SH-3r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 09:34:26 +0100 Received: from preinstapdq0tf (0x50a46c54.virnxx14.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk [80.164.108.84]) by pfepa.post.tele.dk (Postfix) with SMTP id 9350F47FE82 for ; Sat, 21 May 2005 10:34:10 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <002101c55ddf$d9c78930$546ca450@preinstapdq0tf> From: "Niels Rudberg J?rgensen" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> <002f01c55d97$09df4840$8c802ed8@server> Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 10:34:05 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of post.tele.dk designates 195.41.46.235 as permitted sender Subject: LF: Re: Loop antenna problem Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 1:52 AM
Subject: LF: Loop antenna problem

Hello LF Group,
 
I've finally finished the construction of my LF loop and I appear to have a
problem with it regarding the connection to the receiver.  The loop itself
is in the form of an octagon, with an overall diameter of 10.5 feet, and it
consists of 15 turns of number 12 THHN stranded wire.  The spacing of
the turns is 0.25 inch and the tuning is done with a 3 gang, 400 pF. per
section, variable capacitor with all sections connected in parallel.
 
Checking with a weak signal source, the tuning range is roughly 100 to
300 kHz.  This agrees with Reg's program for multi-turn loop antennas.
A portable radio covering the LF band really comes to life when I bring
it close to the loop, and by turning the loop in azimuth I can peak the
signals and/or null out noise.  This would indicate that it is working as
I would expect.
 
The problem is with the pickup loop, which is of the classical shielded
construction as described in many antenna books.  Mine is made from
RG-213 coax and it's positioned roughly six inches inside of the main
loop windings, but in the same plane.  The station receiver, a TS-440S,
gets better reception of LF signals when it's connected to my 40 meter
delta loop than it does with the LF loop!!  I know the feedline is OK, as
I've checked it with an MFJ-259  antenna bridge and a 50 ohm load at
the antenna end.
 
The one suspicion I do have is that the cable clamps I've used to hold
the pickup loop to the frame are made of metal and are shaped like a
capital letter P.  I'm wondering if these look like shorted turns to the
pickup loop and are attenuating the signal?  Before I get out my big
stepladder and replace them, I thought I'd ask the opinions of those
of you who have gone before me.  Any/all suggestions are welcome.
 
73, J.B. Weazle McCreath, VE3EAR - VE3WZL
 
Dr om!
Quite a big loop you have made there!
I would not recommend the use of a pickup loop at all. It is rather
difficult to predict the degree of coupling between the loop prober and
the pickup loop.
From your description I guess that your loop inductance is about 2 mH,
as for the Q of the loop I would say it lies between 20 and 50.
Why not try to scrap the heavy RG213 loop and instead use a
capacitive divider . If you try a capacitor of 10 to 22 nF in series
with your variable capacitor, you might have success.
As for the question of balancing etc. in order to avoid capacitive signal
pickup, I suggest you try to solve that problem with an isolating
transformer. But let that be a second exercise!     
73
Niels/OZ8NJ+
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 May 2005 12:56:52 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZSb5-0005TI-O1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 12:56:51 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DZSaz-0003ke-1i for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 12:56:49 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.77] (helo=pih-mxcore11.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DZSay-0003kb-Vv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 12:56:45 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZSay-0002RD-Pf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 12:56:44 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DZSaQ-0003Qv-Ny for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 12:56:10 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DZSaQ-0003Qm-8h for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 12:56:10 +0100 Received: from fh1023.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.33] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZSaO-0001EB-Rp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 12:56:10 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.63) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 4288DA4B001F0E06 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 11:56:05 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c55def$a4116ee0$3fe8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 11:26:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: Class E amp Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
The info for class E design in the G3NYK cct specifies C values in nF whereas in the Tonne design info it specifies the values in mF.
I used the same paramaters as G3NYK used in his design data in the Tonne computer design prog and came up with the same figures but this time the C is in mF and not nF.
Have I got something wrong or is there a mistake somewhere else, all those mf values seem very high in the Tonne design.
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 May 2005 14:28:24 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZU1g-0007K6-D9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 14:28:24 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DZU1f-0002vn-Sz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 14:28:24 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.77] (helo=pih-mxcore11.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DZU1f-0002vk-QE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 14:28:23 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZU1f-0007JR-JP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 14:28:23 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DZU1I-0003hf-2b for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 14:28:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DZU1H-0003hW-CO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 14:27:59 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZU1F-0001gE-Qk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 14:27:59 +0100 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4LDJcci020264 for ; Sat, 21 May 2005 09:19:38 -0400 Received: from server (dial-109.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.109]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id j4LDQ0Gt015928 for ; Sat, 21 May 2005 09:26:01 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005201c55e00$e1f57ce0$8c802ed8@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> <002f01c55d97$09df4840$8c802ed8@server> <000901c55d99$bb7d7cf0$0700a8c0@Laptop> Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 13:18:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.46.129.246 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hurontel.on.ca Subject: LF: Re: Re: Loop antenna problem Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 Hello John, LF group,
 
Thanks for your reply.  The pickup loop is basically as you described, but with a
slight difference.  The feedline comes to the bottom of the loop where the shield
is exposed, then continues around the frame to complete one turn.  At the end,
both the inner conductor and the shield are connected to the exposed shield
where the feedline/loop transition is.  There is a half inch gap in the shield at
the top, directly opposite that connection, which stops the shield from being
seen as a shorted turn.  I'm told that another feature of doing it that way is
that it forms a built in balun.  I was striving for symetry.
 
Thanks & 73, J.B. Weazle McCreath, VE3EAR - VE3WZL
 
The clamps are in the wrong plane to present a short, so don't worry about that. Describe the connection of the feedline to the RG-213 link, please. I'm guessing that the coax feedline comes to the bottom, continues around to form the loop, and then the center conductor attaches to the feedline shield at the bottom, with no shield connection from the end. Sound right?
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 May 2005 14:28:24 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZU1g-0005dw-T9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 14:28:24 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DZU1g-0005Bg-74 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 14:28:24 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.77] (helo=pih-mxcore11.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DZU1g-0005Bd-3e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 14:28:24 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZU1f-0007JV-Ps for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 14:28:23 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DZU1I-0003hs-TH for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 14:28:00 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DZU1I-0003hj-ED for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 14:28:00 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZU1H-0001gE-PB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 14:28:00 +0100 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4LDJePe020309 for ; Sat, 21 May 2005 09:19:40 -0400 Received: from server (dial-109.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.109]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id j4LDQ0Gv015928 for ; Sat, 21 May 2005 09:26:03 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005301c55e00$e36e6140$8c802ed8@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> <002f01c55d97$09df4840$8c802ed8@server> <002101c55ddf$d9c78930$546ca450@preinstapdq0tf> Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 13:30:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.46.129.246 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hurontel.on.ca Subject: LF: Re: Re: Loop antenna problem Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hello Niels, LF group,
 
Yes, it is a rather large loop!  I have a few pix of it if anyone would like to
see how I've built it.  Your guess of the inductance is close, I measured
it with my LCR-55 meter and it's 2150 uH. or about 2.1 mH.  According
to Reg's loop program the self resonance is about 800 kHz. and the Q
is 383, but I've no way to verify the latter.
 
At this point I'm game to try any suggestions to see if I can improve on
the performance (or lack thereof at the moment)  I think I'll try a simple
one turn unshielded pickup loop next, but I'll certainly keep your idea
of a capacitive divider in mind.
 
73, J.B. Weazle McCreath, VE3EAR - VE3WZL
 
Dr om!
Quite a big loop you have made there!
I would not recommend the use of a pickup loop at all. It is rather
difficult to predict the degree of coupling between the loop prober and
the pickup loop.
From your description I guess that your loop inductance is about 2 mH,
as for the Q of the loop I would say it lies between 20 and 50.
Why not try to scrap the heavy RG213 loop and instead use a
capacitive divider . If you try a capacitor of 10 to 22 nF in series
with your variable capacitor, you might have success.
As for the question of balancing etc. in order to avoid capacitive signal
pickup, I suggest you try to solve that problem with an isolating
transformer. But let that be a second exercise!     
73
Niels/OZ8NJ+
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 May 2005 15:05:59 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZUc3-0001gS-MR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 15:05:59 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DZUc3-0003BY-7X for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 15:05:59 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.74] (helo=pih-mxcore08.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DZUc3-0003BV-4N for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 15:05:59 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZUc2-00020c-P9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 15:05:58 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DZUbk-0003u6-VO for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 15:05:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DZUbk-0003tx-Jj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 15:05:40 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZUbj-0001sD-6B for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 15:05:40 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.177.78 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 May 2005 14:05:32 -0000 Message-ID: <000c01c55e0e$27295360$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55def$a4116ee0$3fe8fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 15:05:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.204 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com Subject: LF: Re: Class E amp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Hi Mal, the values in the spreadsheet have been tested by simulation in Simetrix and by practical builds by Joe VO1NA and Mike GW4HXO, also Finbar EI0CF (and I think a few others). It looks as though there may be a "typo" in the Tonne site (as "m" is next to "n" on the keyboard....mF would be milliFarad really !! despite the old English usage as mF to mean microfarad and mmF for "puffs"). I have only considered single ended configurations for simplicity (and I hoped, to curb the FET-popping which seemed a feature of the p-p designs). Fritz Raab in his book details p-p designs and other configurations or tuning which give the same conditions. The only problem is that I suppose you could say Class-E is a "narrow-band design" Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "hamilton mal" To: Sent: 21 May 2005 11:26 Subject: LF: Class E amp Hi All The info for class E design in the G3NYK cct specifies C values in nF whereas in the Tonne design info it specifies the values in mF. I used the same paramaters as G3NYK used in his design data in the Tonne computer design prog and came up with the same figures but this time the C is in mF and not nF. Have I got something wrong or is there a mistake somewhere else, all those mf values seem very high in the Tonne design. 73 de Mal/G3KEV From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 May 2005 19:40:55 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZYu7-0000Ux-5C for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 19:40:55 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DZYu6-0002fr-RB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 19:40:54 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.73] (helo=pih-mxcore07.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DZYu6-0002fo-Pa for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 19:40:54 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZYu6-0003oA-LK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 19:40:54 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DZYtF-0004bs-0C for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 19:40:01 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DZYtE-0004bj-KC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 19:40:00 +0100 Received: from mailfe08.swip.net ([212.247.154.225] helo=swip.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZYtD-0003Bu-98 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 19:40:00 +0100 X-T2-Posting-ID: 7tTLvD67BptoA2C1rjPWBw== Received: from [213.101.38.187] ([213.101.38.187] verified) by mailfe08.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTP id 174838914 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 20:39:48 +0200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.322 [266.11.14]); Sat, 21 May 2005 18:40:08 +0000 Message-ID: <428F8060.1050806@tele2.se> Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 18:39:28 +0000 From: Johan Bodin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55def$a4116ee0$3fe8fc3e@l8p8y6> In-Reply-To: <000c01c55def$a4116ee0$3fe8fc3e@l8p8y6> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.247.154.225 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tele2.se Subject: Re: LF: Class E amp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Hello Mal, hamilton mal wrote: [...] all those mf values seem very high in the Tonne design. Yes, I also got strange results out of Tonne's program until I realised that I had to be careful with the units of input data. For example, in the frequency input dialog box, type 137000 or 137k for the LF band. 73 Johan SM6LKM -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 2005-05-20 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 May 2005 20:01:14 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DZZDl-000756-78 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 20:01:13 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DZZDk-00074w-Sd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 20:01:13 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DZZDS-0004jb-HU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 20:00:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DZZDS-0004jS-2T for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 20:00:54 +0100 Received: from mailfe05.swip.net ([212.247.154.129] helo=swip.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZZDQ-0003Fa-K1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 20:00:54 +0100 X-T2-Posting-ID: 7tTLvD67BptoA2C1rjPWBw== Received: from [213.101.37.186] ([213.101.37.186] verified) by mailfe05.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.3c5) with ESMTP id 175911588 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 21:00:42 +0200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.322 [266.11.14]); Sat, 21 May 2005 19:01:03 +0000 Message-ID: <428F854B.5010405@tele2.se> Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 19:00:27 +0000 From: Johan Bodin User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55def$a4116ee0$3fe8fc3e@l8p8y6> <000c01c55e0e$27295360$6507a8c0@Main> <002501c55e0b$a6b41c80$90e4fc3e@l8p8y6> In-Reply-To: <002501c55e0b$a6b41c80$90e4fc3e@l8p8y6> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.247.154.129 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of tele2.se Subject: Re: LF: Re: Re: Class E amp Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010704030405040300020205" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010704030405040300020205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Do you have a computer prog to calculate the turns needed for Prim/Sec > inputting the various variable parameters ie core size and type, freq, etc. Hi Mal, I wrote a tiny DOS program for transformer design a few years ago. (it will happily run in a "DOS bubble" under window$ too) The program is attached, including source code. I hope it is correct, maybe some xfmr guru on this list can approve/refuse the math used... 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Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.14 - Release Date: 2005-05-20 --------------010704030405040300020205-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 21 May 2005 23:46:56 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZckB-00027D-E4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 23:46:56 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DZck6-0008KV-Os for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 23:46:55 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.3] (helo=ptb-mxcore03.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DZck6-0008KS-Ms for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 23:46:50 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZcoW-0002ac-IE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 21 May 2005 23:51:24 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DZcij-0005Is-7e for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 23:45:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DZcii-0005Ij-S2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 23:45:24 +0100 Received: from smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.194]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZcig-0003sY-8D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 21 May 2005 23:45:24 +0100 Received: (qmail 375 invoked from network); 21 May 2005 22:45:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.194) with ESMTP; 21 May 2005 22:45:18 -0000 Message-ID: <001901c55e4e$6ceda1e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> <002f01c55d97$09df4840$8c802ed8@server> <000901c55d99$bb7d7cf0$0700a8c0@Laptop> <005201c55e00$e1f57ce0$8c802ed8@server> Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 22:45:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.194 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: Loop antenna problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) J.B., There is another approach you might want to consider. Skip the single turn link altogether. Rather than the normal parallel tuning, series tune the loop into a transformer wound on a ferrite core. The turns ratio of the transformer will determine the Q of the loop. You might not want a really high Q setup with a loop of that size. I have been using a 10 turn (on the loop side) to 20 turn transformer to couple to a 50 ohm termination. This places a nominal 12.5 Ohms in series with the loop. A higher ratio would improve the Q, but this might be a good starting point for you to play with. The core material in this case is #77, but #43 or similar should be OK. The advantage of this arrangement is that the loop remains inherently balanced to ground, while giving you the flexibility of playing with the coupling. You may choose to put the preamp right at the transformer secondary, or run a coax line back to the shack. A short write-up on my arrangement is available at: http://www.w1tag.com/rxloop.htm John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 May 2005 13:07:37 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZpF2-0003Rq-VE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:07:37 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DZpEv-0001nq-Dj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:07:36 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.77] (helo=pih-mxcore11.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DZpEv-0001nn-Bz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:07:29 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZpEv-0003Uh-4s for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:07:29 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DZpEK-0000Bf-Cq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:06:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DZpEJ-0000BW-PM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:06:51 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZpEI-0003gS-7d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 13:06:51 +0100 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4MBxQGU009956 for ; Sun, 22 May 2005 07:59:27 -0400 Received: from server (dial183-ripley2.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.149.183]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id j4MC5pXH008809 for ; Sun, 22 May 2005 08:05:52 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <003a01c55ebe$f98b99c0$b7952ed8@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> <002f01c55d97$09df4840$8c802ed8@server> <000901c55d99$bb7d7cf0$0700a8c0@Laptop> <005201c55e00$e1f57ce0$8c802ed8@server> <001901c55e4e$6ceda1e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 12:11:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.46.129.246 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hurontel.on.ca Subject: LF: Re: Loop antenna problem W1TAG suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) -- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:45 PM Subject: LF:Re: Loop antenna problem > J.B., > > There is another approach you might want to consider. Skip the single turn > link altogether. Rather than the normal parallel tuning, series tune the > loop into a transformer wound on a ferrite core. The turns ratio of the > transformer will determine the Q of the loop. You might not want a really > high Q setup with a loop of that size. > > I have been using a 10 turn (on the loop side) to 20 turn transformer to > couple to a 50 ohm termination. This places a nominal 12.5 Ohms in series > with the loop. A higher ratio would improve the Q, but this might be a good > starting point for you to play with. The core material in this case is #77, > but #43 or similar should be OK. > > The advantage of this arrangement is that the loop remains inherently > balanced to ground, while giving you the flexibility of playing with the > coupling. You may choose to put the preamp right at the transformer > secondary, or run a coax line back to the shack. A short write-up on > my arrangement is available at: > http://www.w1tag.com/rxloop.htm > > John Andrews > Hello John, LFers, Thanks for your suggestion on the series tuning setup. Yesterday I tried a simple non-shielded single turn pickup loop but it was no different than my original shielded pickup. I can't help but think that I'm getting led down the garden path by something, but I'm amiss as to what! Do you suppose that because I used #12 wire, rather than the #20 that Steve, VE3SL, used on his loop that my Q is too high and therefore the bandwidth is too narrow? I think I'll wind a toroid transformer today based on your info (I checked your website too) and see if I can get better results. Niels had suggested I try a capacitive divider, but my collection of caps doesn't have anything close to the values he recommended. I'll keep on plugging away at it until I get it to work. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 May 2005 16:33:58 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZsSk-00040f-Ot for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 16:33:58 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DZsSj-0003ti-DS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 16:33:58 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.4] (helo=ptb-mxcore04.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DZsSj-0003tf-BX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 16:33:57 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZsXL-0000BG-1V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 16:38:43 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DZsSH-0000lC-Tn for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 16:33:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DZsSH-0000l3-Ex for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 16:33:29 +0100 Received: from cas-mta2-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.24] helo=mta.casema.nl) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZsSG-0004fG-55 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 16:33:29 +0100 Received: from s9z5i6.casema.nl ([83.85.106.243]) by cas-mta2.mgmt.casema.nl (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.11 (built Jan 28 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IGW00DP9DVJZF90@cas-mta2.mgmt.casema.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 17:33:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 17:35:10 +0200 From: Dick Rollema X-Sender: dickrollema@casema.nl@mail.casema.nl (Unverified) To: LF-Group Message-id: <6.1.0.6.2.20050522172636.01ff4020@mail.casema.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 83.80.1.24 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of casema.nl Subject: LF: Siemens impedance measuring set 3R217p Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit To All from PA0SE

I have been presented a beautiful Siemens Scheinwiderstands-Messbrücke type 3R217p in immaculate  condition but unfortunately without a manual.
I found out the manual is really needed in order to understand how to use the instrument.
Anyone around who knows where I could obtain a manual?

73, Dick, PA0SE From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 May 2005 17:42:54 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZtXS-0001n4-2u for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 17:42:54 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DZtXN-0002Dp-Ur for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 17:42:53 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.77] (helo=pih-mxcore11.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DZtXN-0002Dm-Ry for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 17:42:49 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZtXN-00060p-NR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 17:42:49 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DZtWx-0000xj-Ot for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 17:42:23 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DZtWx-0000xa-D3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 17:42:23 +0100 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZtWv-0004tW-VM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 17:42:23 +0100 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-187.fen-net.de [212.204.117.67]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j4MGdbau021049 for ; Sun, 22 May 2005 18:39:38 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002c01c55eed$deabfa80$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 18:46:57 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de Subject: LF: Re: Siemens impedance measuring set 3R217p Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Dear Dick,
        please ask RAINER FÖRTIG - ELEKTRONIK, fone 0049-6251-93120, fax 0049-625-931293.
He is also in the internet.
73    Walter    DJ2LF
 
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Dick Rollema <dickrollema@casema.nl>
An: LF-Group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Sonntag, 22. Mai 2005 17:31
Betreff: LF: Siemens impedance measuring set 3R217p

To All from PA0SE

I have been presented a beautiful Siemens Scheinwiderstands-Messbrücke type 3R217p in immaculate  condition but unfortunately without a manual.
I found out the manual is really needed in order to understand how to use the instrument.
Anyone around who knows where I could obtain a manual?

73, Dick, PA0SE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 22 May 2005 18:09:16 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZtwy-0003If-67 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 18:09:16 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DZtwx-0006XJ-D9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 18:09:16 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.4] (helo=ptb-mxcore04.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DZtwx-0006XG-B1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 18:09:15 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DZu1Z-0006Ms-BS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 22 May 2005 18:14:01 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DZtwh-00013A-8Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 18:08:59 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DZtwg-000131-Lr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 18:08:58 +0100 Received: from fh1024.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.34] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DZtwe-00050d-S4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 18:08:58 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.233.103) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 4288DEAB00239BC0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 22 May 2005 17:08:46 +0000 Message-ID: <000b01c55ee4$7c5c37e0$67e9fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <004701c55b0f$0514bf50$245c53d4@MARLEEN> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 16:39:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.34 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: Re: Modification of the blower circuit and VFO drive for the ROPEX LF TRANSMITTER Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
----- Original Message -----
From: PA0WFO
Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2005 7:34 PM
Subject: LF: Modification of the blower circuit and VFO drive for the ROPEX LF TRANSMITTER

To the members of the rsgb LF group .
 
Those of you who own the ROPEX TX will have the following experience :
 
The blower of the set is making so much noise that it is sometimes difficult to copy the rather weak manual CW sigs that you hear on LF .
I made the following change : You need the following parts 1 transistor pnp 2 N 2905 a tagstrip and a few pieces of wire . Disconnect the black minus wire of the blower and connect it to the emitter of the transistor , connect the collector to the chassis and the base to the collector of the BC547 antennarelaydriver this point is also connected to the minus connection of the transmit Led . The result of this mod is that the blower is off during reception and on during transmit with the same delay as the keying circuit ,  so you can have a quiet shack for listening to weak signals . As the finals do not generate any heat during reception the cooling will be ample .
 
The second modification is more time consuming :
 
The ROPEX is Xtal controlled and after a few QSO,s you will get the urge to connect a VFO for QSY . For the modification you will need the following parts : 1 miniature switch double pole double throw , a BNC chassis female type plug,a 10 nf capacitor and a short piece of RG174 miniature coax or something like it and a few pieces of hookup wire .
Now the most difficult part follows : in order to remove the crystal you have to remove the complete case including the heatsink .
Carefully remove the crystal with solder wick . Make a hole for the switch and the BNC connector on the rear of the chassis on the right side of the blower , this completes the most difficult part of the modification , Now the soldering work . Connect the previous connections of the Xtal on the cicuit board to the poles of the switch by means of two pieces RG174 and the Xtal to one side of the switch ( if you switch to this side the original circuit comes into action and the TX is Xtal controlled as it used to be ) . Thereafter connect the BNC with the 10 nf capacitor  to that side of the switch which switches to terminal 10 of the oscillator IC HCT4060 . Thats all.
Requirements for the VFO : Any VFO giving about 200 to 500 millivolts on the same frequency as the Xtal will do for manual CW.
IMPORTANT! The VFO has to be on or the switch set to Xtaldrive otherwise the TX will take off at random .
 
William you forgot to say,  the PA explodes without drive !!!!!!!!!!!!!! not just TAKES OFF
The pa fets in my model are IRF1010N, maybe they have already been changed before !!
A protective cct is necessary so that the the TX cannot come on except there is already drive. I have such a cct on my home built TX as a precautionary measure.
Ropex modification operators beware because if the switch got moved accidentally from the Xtal position and there was no drive via an ext VFO you will end up with a heap of ashes!!
 
Beware de MAL/G3KEV
 
 
 
You can prevent this by leaving the switch out and just connect the VFO to terminal 10 off the oscillator , more or less as in Dicks PAØSE transmitter ( described in the LF experimenters handbook ) with the slight disadvantage that you cannot use the VFO on the Xtal frequency .
 73,William PAØWFO 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 23 May 2005 03:02:01 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1Da2GX-0004bm-4F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 03:02:01 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1Da2GU-0001AF-96 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 03:02:00 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.73] (helo=pih-mxcore07.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1Da2GU-0001AC-7H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 03:01:58 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1Da2GT-0007b3-Vx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 03:01:58 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Da2FK-0001dy-8w for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 03:00:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Da2FJ-0001dp-UF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 03:00:45 +0100 Received: from bay102-f13.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.23] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Da2FI-0006X1-GF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 03:00:45 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 22 May 2005 19:00:37 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Mon, 23 May 2005 02:00:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.200] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 18:00:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 23 May 2005 02:00:37.0287 (UTC) FILETIME=[368D5B70:01C55F3B] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.23 as permitted sender Subject: LF: Another howler Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit WD2XDW on 137.400 running 50W output WOLF...for the next few hours starting 0200z CHeers Laurence em26aq From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:53:09 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaBUa-00064u-3d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:53:09 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaBUZ-00063X-T8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:53:08 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaBTt-0002Tr-Kb for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:52:25 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaBTt-0002Ti-43 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:52:25 +0100 Received: from fh1024.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.34] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaBTr-0000UP-Jl for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 12:52:25 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.131) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 4291A94A0000A73E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 11:52:15 +0000 Message-ID: <000201c55f81$6f552c80$83e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> <002f01c55d97$09df4840$8c802ed8@server> <000901c55d99$bb7d7cf0$0700a8c0@Laptop> <005201c55e00$e1f57ce0$8c802ed8@server> <001901c55e4e$6ceda1e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <003a01c55ebe$f98b99c0$b7952ed8@server> Date: Sun, 22 May 2005 16:44:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.34 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: Re: Re: Loop antenna problem W1TAG suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 12:11 PM Subject: LF: Re: Loop antenna problem W1TAG suggestion > > -- Original Message ----- > From: "John Andrews" > Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:45 PM > Subject: LF:Re: Loop antenna problem > > > > J.B., > > > > There is another approach you might want to consider. Skip the single turn > > link altogether. Rather than the normal parallel tuning, series tune the > > loop into a transformer wound on a ferrite core. The turns ratio of the > > transformer will determine the Q of the loop. You might not want a really > > high Q setup with a loop of that size. > > > > I have been using a 10 turn (on the loop side) to 20 turn transformer to > > couple to a 50 ohm termination. This places a nominal 12.5 Ohms in series > > with the loop. A higher ratio would improve the Q, but this might be a > good > > starting point for you to play with. The core material in this case is > #77, > > but #43 or similar should be OK. > > > > The advantage of this arrangement is that the loop remains inherently > > balanced to ground, while giving you the flexibility of playing with the > > coupling. You may choose to put the preamp right at the transformer > > secondary, or run a coax line back to the shack. A short write-up on > > my arrangement is available at: > > http://www.w1tag.com/rxloop.htm > > > > John Andrews > > > > Hello John, LFers, > > Thanks for your suggestion on the series tuning setup. Yesterday I tried a > simple non-shielded single turn pickup loop but it was no different than my > original shielded pickup. I can't help but think that I'm getting led down > the garden path by something, but I'm amiss as to what! > > Do you suppose that because I used #12 wire, rather than the #20 that > Steve, VE3SL, used on his loop that my Q is too high and therefore the > bandwidth is too narrow? I think I'll wind a toroid transformer today > based on your info (I checked your website too) and see if I can get > better results. > > Niels had suggested I try a capacitive divider, but my collection of caps > doesn't have anything close to the values he recommended. I'll keep on > plugging away at it until I get it to work. This is probably the best approach for your loop, or any series or parallel arrangment I use a parallel resonating approach on my 80 m perimeter vertical loop and never had a problem. G3KEV > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:28:38 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DaC2w-0000A6-6V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:28:38 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DaC2o-0006e7-E6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:28:37 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.72] (helo=pih-mxcore06.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DaC2o-0006e4-CQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:28:30 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DaC2o-00068K-5w for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:28:30 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaC2V-0002bN-7M for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:28:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaC2U-0002bE-LD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:28:10 +0100 Received: from amsfep20-int.chello.nl ([213.46.243.18]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaC2R-0000iD-4Y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:28:10 +0100 Received: from MARLEEN ([212.83.92.36]) by amsfep20-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050523122759.BNXO3274.amsfep20-int.chello.nl@MARLEEN> for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 14:27:59 +0200 Message-ID: <004601c55f92$e0bfd760$245c53d4@MARLEEN> From: "PA0WFO" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 14:28:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 213.46.243.18 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of chello.nl Subject: LF: Fw: Re: Modification of the blower circuit and VFO drive for the ROPEX LF TRANSMITTER Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
To Mal and the rest of the members of the LF group
 
Tnx for your warning about the protection of the finals Mal  . In my case the 1010,s did not explode without proper drive but only made a lot of noise in the receiver while practically not taking any input current . But that propably will not be so in all cases . So just to be sure I will make a protection circuit which prevents the keying ( or uses the protection circuit ) of the transmitter . In my transmitter the 1010,s are originally fitted and as far as I can  check all the late versions of the Ropex have them fitted . Because the firm who was selling the transmitters ( maybe also producing them ) went out of business recently a lot of these sets ( 25 ) were sold for very low prices ( less then 30 Euro,s ) . I hope to work the buyers with manual CW in the near future .
73 to all of you
William PAØWFO
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:39 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Modification of the blower circuit and VFO drive for the ROPEX LF TRANSMITTER
 
William you forgot to say,  the PA explodes without drive !!!!!!!!!!!!!! not just TAKES OFF
The pa fets in my model are IRF1010N, maybe they have already been changed before !!
A protective cct is necessary so that the the TX cannot come on except there is already drive. I have such a cct on my home built TX as a precautionary measure.
Ropex modification operators beware because if the switch got moved accidentally from the Xtal position and there was no drive via an ext VFO you will end up with a heap of ashes!!
 
Beware de MAL/G3KEV
 
 
 
You can prevent this by leaving the switch out and just connect the VFO to terminal 10 off the oscillator , more or less as in Dicks PAØSE transmitter ( described in the LF experimenters handbook ) with the slight disadvantage that you cannot use the VFO on the Xtal frequency .
 73,William PAØWFO 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 23 May 2005 13:43:11 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaCH1-0001fJ-6z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:43:11 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaCH1-0001ew-26 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:43:11 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaCGi-0002gd-OJ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:42:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaCGi-0002gU-DG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:42:52 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaCGg-0000lB-TO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 13:42:52 +0100 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4NCagYF015330 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 08:36:45 -0400 Received: from server (dial170-ripley2.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.149.170]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id j4NChBV1028722 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 08:43:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001c01c55f8d$5e183780$8e802ed8@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> <002f01c55d97$09df4840$8c802ed8@server> <000901c55d99$bb7d7cf0$0700a8c0@Laptop> <005201c55e00$e1f57ce0$8c802ed8@server> <001901c55e4e$6ceda1e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <003a01c55ebe$f98b99c0$b7952ed8@server> <000201c55f81$6f552c80$83e8fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 12:48:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.46.129.246 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hurontel.on.ca Subject: LF: Re: Loop antenna problem, W1TAG suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) > > This is probably the best approach for your loop, or any series or parallel > arrangment I use a parallel resonating approach on my 80 m perimeter > vertical loop and never had a problem. > > G3KEV > Hello Mal, LFers, Thanks for the input. As I told John yesterday, I'm going to wind a xfmr and give that approach a try. I plan on using a toroid core from an old computer power supply, as that's all I have available. 73, J.B. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 23 May 2005 15:21:18 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DaDny-0004gA-C7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:21:18 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DaDnx-000679-Hc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:21:18 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.75] (helo=pih-mxcore09.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DaDnx-000676-F5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:21:17 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DaDnx-00071s-2m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:21:17 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaDnN-0002tB-2Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:20:41 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaDnM-0002t2-IF for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:20:40 +0100 Received: from cas-mta2-fe.casema.nl ([83.80.1.24] helo=mta.casema.nl) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaDnL-0001Cn-5j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 15:20:40 +0100 Received: from s9z5i6.casema.nl ([83.85.106.243]) by cas-mta2.mgmt.casema.nl (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.11 (built Jan 28 2005)) with ESMTP id <0IGY00CQ75633E80@cas-mta2.mgmt.casema.nl> for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 16:20:34 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 16:16:12 +0200 From: Dick Rollema In-reply-to: <002c01c55eed$deabfa80$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> X-Sender: dickrollema@casema.nl@mail.casema.nl (Unverified) To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-id: <6.1.0.6.2.20050523161248.02ff3b30@mail.casema.nl> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 References: <002c01c55eed$deabfa80$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 83.80.1.24 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of casema.nl Subject: Re: LF: Re: Siemens impedance measuring set 3R217p Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Dear Walter,

Many thanks for this hint.

Rainer Förtig can supply a used copy of the manual for 6 Euro + 3,48 Euro shipping cost.  Very cheap indeed!

I immediately ordered the manual.

73, Dick, PA0SE

At 18:46 22-5-05, you wrote:
Dear Dick,
        please ask RAINER FÖRTIG - ELEKTRONIK, fone 0049-6251-93120, fax 0049-625-931293.
He is also in the internet.
73    Walter    DJ2LF
 
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Dick Rollema <dickrollema@casema.nl>
An: LF-Group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Sonntag, 22. Mai 2005 17:31
Betreff: LF: Siemens impedance measuring set 3R217p
To All from PA0SE

I have been presented a beautiful Siemens Scheinwiderstands-Messbrücke type 3R217p in immaculate  condition but unfortunately without a manual.
I found out the manual is really needed in order to understand how to use the instrument.
Anyone around who knows where I could obtain a manual?

73, Dick, PA0SE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:24:34 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaFjD-00066A-JA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 17:24:33 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaFjD-00063C-6H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 17:24:31 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaFiX-000391-QZ for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 17:23:49 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaFiX-00038s-DN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 17:23:49 +0100 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaFiU-0001k1-Tw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 17:23:49 +0100 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-138.fen-net.de [212.204.117.18]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j4NGL1sl006518 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 18:21:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <002101c55fb4$72b2ce40$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 18:28:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 212.204.115.10 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of fen-net.de Subject: Re: LF: Re: Siemens impedance measuring set 3R217p Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Fine that I could help. Best success.
73   Walter
 
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An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Montag, 23. Mai 2005 16:19
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: Siemens impedance measuring set 3R217p

Dear Walter,

Many thanks for this hint.

Rainer Förtig can supply a used copy of the manual for 6 Euro + 3,48 Euro shipping cost.  Very cheap indeed!

I immediately ordered the manual.

73, Dick, PA0SE

At 18:46 22-5-05, you wrote:
Dear Dick,
        please ask RAINER FÖRTIG - ELEKTRONIK, fone 0049-6251-93120, fax 0049-625-931293.
He is also in the internet.
73    Walter    DJ2LF
 
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Dick Rollema <dickrollema@casema.nl>
An: LF-Group <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Sonntag, 22. Mai 2005 17:31
Betreff: LF: Siemens impedance measuring set 3R217p
To All from PA0SE

I have been presented a beautiful Siemens Scheinwiderstands-Messbrücke type 3R217p in immaculate  condition but unfortunately without a manual.
I found out the manual is really needed in order to understand how to use the instrument.
Anyone around who knows where I could obtain a manual?

73, Dick, PA0SE
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:45:10 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaG3B-0003T9-Kv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 17:45:10 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaG3B-0003Sn-7W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 23 May 2005 17:45:09 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaG2q-0003FY-5y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 17:44:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaG2p-0003FP-JK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 17:44:47 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaG2o-0001q8-Ux for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 17:44:47 +0100 Received: from altair ([147.197.215.111] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1DaFpX-0003tH-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 17:31:03 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DaFpX-0003lz-4v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 23 May 2005 17:31:03 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:31:03 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c55fb4$cf915f50$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: RE: Loop antenna problem Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Dear J.B., LF Group,

 

I think the problem here is the size of the coupling loop, which is only slightly smaller diameter than the main loop, is too large. If the coupling loop had unity coupling factor to the main loop, the complete loop would be a 15:1 transformer. If the RX Zin is 50R, the transformed load across the main loop terminals would be 50 x 15^2 = 11.2k. With a loop inductance around 2.1mH, the loaded Q is then only about 6 or so. In fact, the loading will be reduced by the less-than-unity coupling factor between the main loop and the coupling loop; this is difficult to calculate due to all the variables involved, but a rough guess would be an overall impedance ratio of about 450:1, making the shunt resistance about 22k, and the loaded Q of the loop around 12, still very low. Going further with the rough calculations, 1uV/m field strength would then only give you about 0.2uV at the RX input at best. This comes out similar to an un-tuned 40m delta-loop, which ought to have about 80m^2 area. So that is reasonably consistent with what you are observing.

 

With an unloaded Q of 380, the shunt resistance across the loop terminals should be about 680k. Matching this to the RX input (to achieve maximum signal level) requires an impedance transformation ratio of about 14000:1. The loaded Q of the loop would then be 190, and the voltage at the RX for 1uV/m signal ought to be around 0.6uV, so about 9 or 10dB improvement, plus much sharper selectivity. If the unloaded Q of the loop is lower, the output will also be slightly lower, and the optimum impedance transformation ratio lower too. The way to get these higher impedance transformation ratios is to make the coupling loop smaller, I would guess somewhere around 1 - 1.5m in diameter would be about right. As the others have said, I don’t think screening and balancing the coupling loop will make a significant practical difference, so a plain bit of wire would be as good as anything, and easy to play around with to get the optimum size.

 

The other suggestions of using a capacitive tap, or a series transformer, should also work well – I would estimate a capacitor of around 50 – 70nF would be right, or a series matching transformer with a 1:2 or 1:3 step up ratio feeding the 50 ohm cable.

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

 

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of J. B. Weazle McCreath
Sent: 21 May 2005 00:52
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Subject: LF: Loop antenna problem

 

Hello LF Group,

 

I've finally finished the construction of my LF loop and I appear to have a

problem with it regarding the connection to the receiver.  The loop itself

is in the form of an octagon, with an overall diameter of 10.5 feet, and it

consists of 15 turns of number 12 THHN stranded wire.  The spacing of

the turns is 0.25 inch and the tuning is done with a 3 gang, 400 pF. per

section, variable capacitor with all sections connected in parallel….

 

…The problem is with the pickup loop, which is of the classical shielded

construction as described in many antenna books.  Mine is made from

RG-213 coax and it's positioned roughly six inches inside of the main

loop windings, but in the same plane… 

 

73, J.B. Weazle McCreath, VE3EAR - VE3WZL

   

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 May 2005 00:59:15 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaMpH-00020q-2e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:59:15 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaMpG-00020i-UU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:59:15 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaMoI-00040E-Ml for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:58:14 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaMoI-000405-9X for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:58:14 +0100 Received: from avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.159]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaMoG-0003hv-0a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 00:58:14 +0100 Received: from pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050523235757.UNZB2892.avmta4-rme.xtra.co.nz@pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 11:57:57 +1200 Received: from bob2l2u6k2n1g3 ([210.86.89.73]) by pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050523235757.NYFA7985.pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 11:57:57 +1200 Message-ID: <004d01c55ff3$47f5a620$e901a8c0@bob2l2u6k2n1g3> From: "Vernall" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:58:05 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of xtra.co.nz designates 210.86.15.159 as permitted sender Subject: LF: Andrew Corney ZL2BBJ SK Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi all,
 
It is with sadness that I report the death of my friend Andrew Corney ZL2BBJ on 23 May 2005, aged 63 years.  He thought he was cured of bladder cancer following  treatment a couple of years ago.  Last August he became very ill and diagnosis was that some cancer had escaped outside his bladder and seeded in multiple parts of his body, which is a difficult situation to treat.
 
We each started experimenting with LF transmission 15 years ago, once amateur access to 165 - 190 kHz was granted in New Zealand.  From 1997 it made sense to team up for LF experimentation when Quartz Hill was leased by the Wellington Amateur Radio Club, as the extensive site had opportunities for much larger antennas than are possible from a suburban property.  More recently the club got special permission to use the 136 kHz band, so we concentrated on that.  While we enjoyed many LF sessions at Quartz Hill, I regard the best shared occasion as being when we completed a two-way QSO with UA0LE just before sunrise on 20 March 2004.
 
While Andrew can no longer physically participate, we expect he will be there in spirit when we next try working LF DX at Quartz Hill.
 
Bob ZL2CA
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 May 2005 04:21:09 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaPye-0004Bv-Un for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 04:21:09 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaPye-0004Bn-QR for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 04:21:08 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaPxf-0004Un-6u for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 04:20:07 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaPxe-0004Ue-M9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 04:20:06 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaPxc-0004GX-Qt for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 04:20:06 +0100 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4O3Cxfv004777 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 23:12:59 -0400 Received: from server (dial-17.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.17]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id j4O3JRVj000275 for ; Mon, 23 May 2005 23:19:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001701c56007$ad7216a0$98802ed8@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c55fb4$cf915f50$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 01:29:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.46.129.246 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hurontel.on.ca Subject: LF: Re: RE: Loop antenna problem Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
>Dear J.B., LF Group
>
>I think the problem here is the size of the coupling loop, which is only
>slightly smaller diameter than the main loop.
>
 
Hi Jim, LF Group,
 
My antenna is based on the successful design by Steve, VE7SL, with
only two differences, 1) my pickup loop is shielded, and 2) I used #12
wire rather than #20.  Could those two differences make that much of
a change in the loop operation?  I know that all other things being the
same, using the larger gauge wire would have raised the Q, but would
it change things so drastically that I'd have to use a smaller diameter
pickup loop? 
 
Steve suggested that I use a simple non-shielded pickup as he used
on his antenna.  I tried that, but I found little or no difference between
it and my shielded pickup.  Both where spaced about 6 inches inside
the main loop, just as on his antenna, which works fine.  That's what
is puzzling me, why does it work OK for him but not for me??!!
 
If I go the transformer route as you and several others have suggested,
do I need to physically remove the pickup loop or simply disconnect it?
I'm hoping the latter, as it'll be difficult to remove without lowering the
antenna!  Thanks for your suggestions and hopefully I'll get the bugs
out of the way and be able to enjoy hearing things shortly.
 
73, J.B.
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 May 2005 04:29:54 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaQ78-0006Rh-8W for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 04:29:54 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaQ78-0006Ra-5H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 04:29:54 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaQ6z-0004aE-RL for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 04:29:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaQ6z-0004a5-GV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 04:29:45 +0100 Received: from bay102-f16.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.26] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaQ6y-0004Iy-34 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 04:29:45 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 23 May 2005 20:29:37 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 May 2005 03:29:37 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.200] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 19:29:37 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 May 2005 03:29:37.0776 (UTC) FILETIME=[D0250F00:01C56010] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.26 as permitted sender Subject: LF: late wolf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit 137.400 Khx Wolf 30W wd2xdw on 0330z, better late than never... testing new driver and subject to intermittent behavior.. Laurence em26aq okie From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 May 2005 09:53:49 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaVAa-0000pE-8I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 09:53:49 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaVAa-0000p6-3p for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 09:53:48 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaV9x-0005Bk-W3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 09:53:09 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaV9x-0005Bb-DK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 09:53:09 +0100 Received: from sterling.noc-servers.net ([69.93.216.2]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaV9v-0005gs-NN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 09:53:09 +0100 Received: from ml.scgroup.com ([192.55.122.105] helo=w2ksn) by sterling.noc-servers.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.50) id 1DaV9s-00073u-6L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 04:53:04 -0400 Message-ID: <003001c5603e$24e42ee0$1101a8c0@w2ksn> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 01:54:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sterling.noc-servers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - scgroup.com X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 69.93.216.2 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of scgroup.com Subject: LF: reception with multiple antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi all, I've been dreaming about a system tentatively named MARS (Multi Antenna Reception System). The basic concept is very simple. LF signals are simultaneously captured at several stations in the same general area. A client application running at each station sends the demodulated output via the Internet for storage on a server. Upon request from a user (who knows the time, frequency and other parameters of an expected DX transmission), the server combines the signals to enhance the S/N, and the result is displayed or played as audio. For common signal formats such as CW, QRSS, and WOLF, it should be easy to coherently combine the signals, even when individual capture S/N values are several dB below the readability threshold. I also believe that noise received at stations tens or hundreds of kilometers apart is largely uncorrelated, so combining four stations should improve S/N by almost 6 dB. I think that such a system would be workable for up to ten stations. That should be enough gain to pull off a number of tricks, such as decoding a message from ZL, receiving a T/A signal sent with Part 15 rules, or letting Mal hear normal CW from across the pond. For signals to be coherently combined, the client systems must be on exactly the same frequency and time. This can be accomplished without any special hardware, by using the LORAN "QRM" present in the received signal. I've suggested that before, but it wasn't taken seriously. Here is some evidence that the scheme is workable: Look at http://www.scgroup.com/ham/6731.gif . This plot was made from a file Markus DF6NM sent me. He was tuned to 135.500 kHz, USB. I used only 100 seconds of audio. The input was simply mixed with a BFO near 1500 Hz, chosen such that the RF frequency of zero-beat was the nearest multiple of twice the Lessay GRI. The complex result was low pass filtered to remove the sum components and integrated with a period of 2*GRI. The plot has arbitrary phase and timing. For reference, see chain information at http://www.megapulse.com/chaininfo.html . The LORAN code: Group Master Slave ===== ========== ======== A ++--+-+- + +++++--+ B +--+++++ - +-+-++-- Starting from the left, you can see the group B pulses from Lessay (master, 916 km distant), the somewhat weaker group from Soustons (1144 km), a gap where the never-built Loop Head station would go, then the strong pulses from Sylt (630 km). The A groups follow. If this picture seems noisy, note that the real PLL would coherently add the 16 pulses from both groups, for a gain of 12 dB. If needed, another 3 dB could be had by adding the transmissions on GRI 7499. And, most users would be closer than 630 km from the nearest LORAN station. I hope that on most computers, the client software could run in the background, and not interfere with running ARGO, WOLF, etc. on the same audio stream. Perhaps one of the Windows sound experts on this list can verify if this is possible. Of course, if you wanted to tune to another band, use a narrow IF filter, or transmit, you would need to stop running the client. However, we would hope that there would be other stations remaining online and capturing. There are many interesting ways to combine signals. Where coherent combination is not possible or not desired, the system can function as a simple diversity receiver, selecting the highest quality (if format permits), strongest, or quietest source. One could also present the data for human combination, e.g. for QRSS three sources could control the intensity of the primary colors, or CW from two sources could be played as stereo. IMO, it's likely that if stations are fairly close together, say, within 100 km, then the received relative phases are predictable, based on the direction of the signal source. Of course, this system would allow us to determine if that is true. If it is, we would have a long baseline array that could be "aimed" in a desired direction, without needing phase information from the signal. Stations such as DF6NM with direction finding ability could send two streams, providing an even tighter beam. The array would be especially useful for Jason, DFCW, and other formats with limited "carrier" energy. A server-based system offers some advantages even when multiple sources are not available. For example, if a QRSS plot is unreadable because of improper settings, one can just change the speed, contrast, frequency, etc., and run it again. A typical plot should take only about two seconds to generate, and about one second to send over a 512 kb/s connection. One can store lots of history. A full-band capture is only about 5 kB/s. If there are an average of four stations reporting, two months of data is just over 100 GB. If someone invents a better noise blanker, we can then compare its performance on some old messages. The server could also run processes that watch for certain events, e.g. a signal on a certain frequency exceeding some level, which would ease the search for good propagation. Some questions for the LF community: What problems do you see in implementing such a system? Would you make use of services that this system would offer? What signal formats or features would you like to be supported first? Would you run the client at your station? This will be an open source project. Would you help with coding and/or testing? Wolfgang DL4YHF has already offered help with the GUI, many thanks. Would you provide recordings from your station for debugging? Can you suggest a better name for this project? 73, Stewart KK7KA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:12:50 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaVSy-0001bk-Uq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:12:50 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaVSy-0001bQ-PE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:12:48 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaVSj-0005Il-KD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:12:33 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaVSi-0005Ic-R1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:12:32 +0100 Received: from grunt15.ihug.co.nz ([203.109.254.62]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaVSg-0005of-8Z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:12:32 +0100 Received: from 203-173-190-191.bliink.ihug.co.nz (athlon1200) [203.173.190.191] by grunt15.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1DaVSX-0007j1-00; Tue, 24 May 2005 21:12:22 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.322 [266.11.15]); Tue, 24 May 2005 21:10:34 +1200 Message-ID: <08a001c56040$712e7290$7900a8c0@athlon1200> From: "Dave Brown" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003001c5603e$24e42ee0$1101a8c0@w2ksn> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 21:10:34 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 203.109.254.62 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ihug.co.nz Subject: LF: Heads up- linux users Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) In case there's any interest in an 'Argo-like' package-check this out. http://www.baudline.com/ Usual disclaimers apply. 73 Dave, ZL3FJ -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.15 - Release Date: 22/05/2005 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 May 2005 11:58:41 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaX7Q-0006cq-7x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 11:58:41 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaX7Q-0006ce-0J for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 11:58:40 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaX6z-0005aP-TD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 11:58:13 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaX6z-0005aG-7J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 11:58:13 +0100 Received: from smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.199]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaX6x-0006FE-Jn for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 11:58:13 +0100 Received: (qmail 4194 invoked from network); 24 May 2005 10:58:08 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout04-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.199) with ESMTP; 24 May 2005 10:58:08 -0000 Message-ID: <001e01c56047$22ded2e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c55fb4$cf915f50$e6a4c593@RD40002> <001701c56007$ad7216a0$98802ed8@server> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:58:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.199 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com Subject: LF: Re: Re: RE: Loop antenna problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) J.B., Regarding the unused pickup loop: Leave it open or remove it. Just don't short the ends together! John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:47:09 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaYoO-0007mw-Hk for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 13:47:09 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaYoO-0007mG-8P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 13:47:08 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaYnl-0005oC-7I for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 13:46:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaYnk-0005o3-Rh for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 13:46:28 +0100 Received: from imo-m28.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaYnj-0006kz-AT for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 13:46:28 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id l.140.449929e1 (48552) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 08:46:16 -0400 (EDT) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: <140.449929e1.2fc47c18@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 08:46:16 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.9 as permitted sender Subject: Re: LF: reception with multiple antennas Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All,
 
This is interesting stuff! Alan, G3NYK and I have had many discussions over the past few years along the lines of a transmitting equivalent of this idea. The basic premise is that it should be possible to effectively "synthesize" a large array from generators at a number of widely spaced locations. We have done little more than just discuss the ideas but maybe it could be an interesting area of experimentation and development. I would be interested in seeing a wider discussion of the subject - perhaps some of our more expert and knowledgeable "gurus" might care to comment?
 
73 de pat g4gvw
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:08:15 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaZ8o-0007yD-Hx for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:08:15 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaZ8o-0007x3-2y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:08:14 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaZ8V-0005td-B7 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:07:55 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaZ8S-0005tU-Q2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:07:52 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaZ8R-0006pX-Cp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:07:52 +0100 Received: from altair ([147.197.215.111] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1DaYsW-0007Ew-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 13:51:24 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DaYsV-00079v-U2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 13:51:24 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 13:51:23 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c5605f$4a951110$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <003001c5603e$24e42ee0$1101a8c0@w2ksn> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: RE: reception with multiple antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Stewart, LF Group, I think this is a very interesting propagation experiment, apart from potentially being able to enhance reception, so really ought to be tried. As you say, there has been speculation about LF "beam-forming" on and off for ages - I'm a bit sceptical about the extent to which the ionosphere will be prepared to co-operate, but it would certainly be interesting to find out the kind of separation between antennas that could be used for coherently processing the signals. I guess for an initial feasibility study it would only be necessary for a number of stations to simultaneously make recordings under defined conditions, and then the data could be up-loaded and post-processed at leisure. I have a few queries: -I presume you would have to initially synchronise the recordings to within a GRI period for the signals to be combined in this way - would this require some external timing signal, or is it possible to obtain that info from the Loran signals? -how would you compensate for variations in gain between different receiving stations? -how would you deal with variations of phase response within the passbands of different stations? As to whether I would run it at my station, certainly. I guess a broadband, "always on" internet connection would be a requirement, which at the moment I don't have, but may well get soon. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Stewart Nelson Sent: 24 May 2005 09:54 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: reception with multiple antennas Hi all, I've been dreaming about a system tentatively named MARS (Multi Antenna Reception System).... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:23:19 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaZNO-0001Kn-LA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:23:19 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaZNO-0001KJ-EA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:23:18 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaZN9-0005yp-Bw for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:23:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaZN8-0005yg-Qf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:23:02 +0100 Received: from fh1023.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.33] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaZN7-0006tz-Ae for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:23:02 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.228.9) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 4291A78000076EA8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 13:22:59 +0000 Message-ID: <000c01c5604e$d629b3e0$09e4fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:38:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: KK7KA Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Stewart,
The idea sounds simple enough, implimentation in practical terms could be a problem.
I already use a kind of space diversity at times for experimentation. The vertical goes to one RX and the loop to another RX, then the audio outputs are fed to the computer and viewed on ARGO but the BFO is offset 650 hz + on one Rx and - on the other, this way I can view both received signals simultaneously one on the upper half of screen and the other on the lower part and compare strength etc but the two signals could be combined/added on exactly the same trace by using exactly the same BFO offset on both Receivers.
I mix both audio inputs but maybe a better approach would be to keep both audio inputs to the sound card separate, one from each RX ie use the sterio input instead of mono and let the mixing take place on the sound card.
Maybe someone that specialises in sound cards and their potential knows the answer and the software required.
I know this is not what you really have in mind but it is a start.
Some signals received on the vertical are not heard or seen by the loop because of the directional properties, I really need TWO loops, then there would be 3 inputs and more problems for the sound card that only has 2 inputs !!!!! A proper external multi input balanced mixer might be the answer, there are so many ways to go, and then it becomes a full time job implementing all these expriments.
It will be interesting to see what observations you get about your idea.
73 and gl de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:44:35 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaZhy-00017M-3j for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:44:35 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaZhx-00016Y-LA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:44:33 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaZhg-000650-4i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:44:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaZhf-00064r-HC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:44:15 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaZhf-0006zI-0A for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:44:15 +0100 Received: from altair ([147.197.215.111] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1DaZgx-0000Gj-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:43:31 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DaZgw-0004fX-O4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 14:43:30 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 14:43:30 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c56066$924c6ce0$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <001701c56007$ad7216a0$98802ed8@server> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: RE: Re: RE: Loop antenna problem Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Dear J.B., LF group,

 

>Dear J.B., LF Group

>

>I think the problem here is the size of the coupling loop, which is only

>slightly smaller diameter than the main loop.

>

 

Hi Jim, LF Group,

 

My antenna is based on the successful design by Steve, VE7SL, with

only two differences, 1) my pickup loop is shielded, and 2) I used #12

wire rather than #20.  Could those two differences make that much of

a change in the loop operation?  I know that all other things being the

same, using the larger gauge wire would have raised the Q, but would

it change things so drastically that I'd have to use a smaller diameter

pickup loop? 

 

Steve suggested that I use a simple non-shielded pickup as he used

on his antenna.  I tried that, but I found little or no difference between

it and my shielded pickup.  Both where spaced about 6 inches inside

the main loop, just as on his antenna, which works fine.  That's what

is puzzling me, why does it work OK for him but not for me??!!

 

I don’t think the alterations in loop construction would make a major difference – the loading of the loop is not very critical provided it is in the right area, changes in Q will make some difference, but not a huge difference. There are other things that can make a big difference. One is receiver sensitivity – loops produce relatively small output so require an RX with good sensitivity (or a preamp). Amateur-type RXs vary enormously in sensitivity at LF, a few are quite good, most are lousy, 20dB or more down on their HF performance. So this is a possibility, unless you have measured the sensitivity and know otherwise. Another possibility is that the input impedance of yours and Steve’s RXs are greatly different, producing different loading impedance on the loops.

 

The tuning adjustment should give you a very sharp peak – if not, either the impedance matching is drastically wrong, or something else in it’s construction is reducing the Q of the loop.

 

If I go the transformer route as you and several others have suggested,

do I need to physically remove the pickup loop or simply disconnect it?

 

 

The coupling loop should make little difference provided it is left open circuit.

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 May 2005 15:46:57 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaagK-0005bz-3m for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 15:46:57 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaagJ-0005bm-VM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 15:46:56 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Daaft-0006FH-OE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 15:46:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Daaft-0006F8-AJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 15:46:29 +0100 Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.1]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Daafr-0007GX-TI for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 15:46:29 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id l.2b.73c0dd9d (4552) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 10:46:19 -0400 (EDT) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: <2b.73c0dd9d.2fc4983b@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:46:19 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.1 as permitted sender Subject: Re: LF: RE: reception with multiple antennas Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Further to my earlier perhaps : "MARS" for Rx, "MATS" for Tx, "MARTS" for Tx/Rx.
where T = Tx and R = Rx
 
 73 de g4gvw 
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 May 2005 18:06:57 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dacro-00038k-7O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 18:06:56 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dacro-00038M-2A for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 18:06:56 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DacrG-0006UW-ND for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 18:06:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DacrG-0006UN-7e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 18:06:22 +0100 Received: from sterling.noc-servers.net ([69.93.216.2]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DacrE-0007pk-MP for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 18:06:22 +0100 Received: from ml.scgroup.com ([192.55.122.105] helo=w2ksn) by sterling.noc-servers.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.50) id 1DacrC-0000Mb-Hk for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 13:06:18 -0400 Message-ID: <009001c56083$0eaf9f20$1101a8c0@w2ksn> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <140.449929e1.2fc47c18@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 10:07:24 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sterling.noc-servers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - scgroup.com X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 69.93.216.2 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of scgroup.com Subject: Re: LF: reception with multiple antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Pat, > This is interesting stuff! Alan, G3NYK and I have had many discussions over > the past few years along the lines of a transmitting equivalent of this idea. > The basic premise is that it should be possible to effectively "synthesize" a > large array from generators at a number of widely spaced locations. We have > done little more than just discuss the ideas but maybe it could be an > interesting area of experimentation and development. Yes, the transmitting equivalent is a powerful idea, both literally and figuratively. While an array of four receivers could provide a maximum S/N improvement of 6 dB, four properly phased transmitters of equal power could boost the signal at a far-field target by a whopping 12 dB! Unfortunately, I haven't been able to think of a way to do this without added hardware, since it is clearly hopeless to see LORAN lines when your TX signal is in the passband. Here are a few suggestions that shouldn't take much hardware; perhaps one of them can be refined into something practical: Feed a sample of the signal from an SSB transmitter, along with 1 PPS from a GPS receiver, into a separate LF receiver. Software would analyze the output and servo the Tx audio input accordingly. During QRSS etc. key-up intervals, you would only reduce the output by, say, 20 dB, so tracking could continue. Build a simple SSB exciter by generating a ~120 kHz signal (must be reasonably stable but need not be accurate), and mixing it with ~16 kHz audio from a sound card (sample rate 48 kHz or more). The image at ~104 kHz is filtered out and the desired ~136 kHz is sent to the PA. A separate receiver, tuned to 104 kHz, can pick up lots of LORAN and the relatively weak image. Software does the rest. If you have an existing SSB transmitter that derives all frequencies from a single reference, divide that reference down to an audio frequency, and feed that into a sound card, along with output from a receiver tuned to LORAN. None of the above schemes provides absolute phase control, but it should be easy for a receiver in the neighborhood to compare the phases and determine the offsets needed. 73, Stewart KK7KA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 May 2005 18:52:25 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DadZo-0000i1-4P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 18:52:24 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DadZn-0000hA-UM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 18:52:24 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DadZU-0006cX-KG for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 18:52:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DadZU-0006cO-4y for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 18:52:04 +0100 Received: from mout0.freenet.de ([194.97.50.131]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DadZS-00081Z-Oq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 18:52:04 +0100 Received: from [194.97.50.138] (helo=mx0.freenet.de) by mout0.freenet.de with esmtpa (Exim 4.51) id 1DadZF-0000ZB-NJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 19:51:49 +0200 Received: from td9091daf.pool.terralink.de ([217.9.29.175] helo=[192.168.0.200]) by mx0.freenet.de with esmtpsa (ID dl4yhf@freenet.de) (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51 #1) id 1DadZF-0007L0-Ec for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 19:51:49 +0200 Message-ID: <429369EB.4060701@freenet.de> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 19:52:43 +0200 From: Wolf DL4YHF User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.9 (Windows/20041103) X-Accept-Language: de-DE, de, en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003001c5603e$24e42ee0$1101a8c0@w2ksn> In-Reply-To: <003001c5603e$24e42ee0$1101a8c0@w2ksn> X-Warning: 217.9.29.175 is listed at list.dsbl.org X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.97.50.131 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of freenet.de Subject: Re: LF: reception with multiple antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Stewart, An impressive idea - sounds a bit like radio astronomy on LF, using an interferometer ! One problem I see for a practical implementation is the internet connection - last not least because on some quiet "remote" sites there is no internet at all, or only through a slow modem connection. I played with the windows socket services some time ago, trying to get a reliable audio link in "almost real time" running, but got entangled in red tape... it may be simpler these days, but I honestly haven't got a clue yet. For a start, we either try to exchange the audio samples as simple decimated audio files (via manual or automated cyclic FTP, etc), or find someone with in-depth experience in WAN / internet programming. Another, possibly simpler "local" approach which would not rely on the internet, is using cheap FM links to combine signals received from various receiving sites separated a few dozen kilometers from each other, and use a PC / soundcard with multiple inputs. This would allow almost-real-time reception, good for two-way CW attempts ;-) For the test recordings, which file format would you prefer ... bandwidth / sampling rate, complex or real sample pairs, etc ? I wanted to add a decimated audio logging feature in the WOLF GUI, possibly using the JASON file format (which is supported by at least two other programs already), or something in that style. The next chance to make a few recordings would be on Thursday evening, or next weekend, though the "QRN forecast" doesn't look very promising. 73, Wolf DL4YHF . From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 May 2005 21:48:54 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DagKb-0003d5-D7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 21:48:54 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore04.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DagKb-0003cg-6K for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 21:48:53 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DagK2-0006y2-I3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 21:48:18 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DagK1-0006xt-Vb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 21:48:17 +0100 Received: from mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.118]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DagK0-0000HZ-2t for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 21:48:17 +0100 Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050524204802.BIPR7126.mta207-rme.xtra.co.nz@mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:48:02 +1200 Received: from mcalevey ([210.54.197.135]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050524204759.QPPH8463.mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz@mcalevey> for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:47:59 +1200 Message-ID: <000701c560a1$de8de710$87c536d2@mcalevey> From: "McAlevey" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <003001c5603e$24e42ee0$1101a8c0@w2ksn> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:43:01 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of xtra.co.nz designates 210.86.15.118 as permitted sender Subject: LF: ZL2BBJ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------020709030602020503090706" X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------020709030602020503090706 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I echo Bob's comments. Andrew ZL2BBJ will be greatly missed for his deep technical knowledge and his generous nature. We will certainly be thinking of Andrew on future Quartz Hill LF operations. DCF39 continues to be a strong signal at ZL sunrise. This capture taken this morning with 3 second dot setting Argo and bursts of 9+20 QRN. 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UUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQAUUUUAFFFFABRRRQB//2Q== --------------020709030602020503090706-- From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 May 2005 23:00:58 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DahSL-0000lu-H4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:00:58 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DahSL-0000lm-BL for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:00:57 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DahRT-00078N-OB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:00:03 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DahRT-00078E-B4 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:00:03 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by 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Hello Jim, LFers,
 
Thanks for clarifying the issues about my loop...I really am greatful to all
who have offered suggestions...you and the gang here are a great bunch
of fellows with plenty of experience to tap into.
 
Regarding the tuning of the loop, it is quite sharp, so at least I don't have
to worry about that aspect.  I'll be trying out the transformer approach in
a day or two...I've got it wound, but the weather is a bit wet for outdoors
activity at the moment.  I used a core from a SMPS, with taps on both
primary and seconday so I can try out different ratios.
 
I think I'll put together a preamp too, as even if the rig isn't too bad at LF,
it wouldn't hurt to have a little boost.  Your design which is shown in the
new book "LF Today" looks interesting, as I want to be able to use the
loop for NDB DXing, Lowfer monitoring, and of course on 136 kHz.
 
Thanks again & 73, J.B.
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 May 2005 23:40:17 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dai4O-0001oK-Ru for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:40:17 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dai4O-0001o3-Kl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:40:16 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dai42-0007FR-Te for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:39:54 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dai42-0007FI-IX for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:39:54 +0100 Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com ([205.188.139.137]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dai41-0000ic-5E for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:39:54 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id l.1ff.241ccfd (4262) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 18:39:40 -0400 (EDT) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: <1ff.241ccfd.2fc5072c@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 18:39:40 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 205.188.139.137 as permitted sender Subject: Re: LF: reception with multiple antennas Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All,
 
Would it not be better to use either ful AM or perhaps SSB for the links in order to retain the best possible dynamic range as my experience with cheap FM kit is the converse.
 
g4gvw
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 24 May 2005 23:51:47 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaiFX-0005LD-0L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:51:47 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DaiFW-0005Kj-QN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:51:46 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DaiFF-0007Kx-Ac for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:51:29 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DaiFE-0007Ko-Vp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:51:28 +0100 Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com ([64.12.137.2]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DaiFD-0000mR-GO for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 24 May 2005 23:51:28 +0100 Received: from G4gvw@aol.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r1.7.) id l.1e1.3d257106 (4262) for ; Tue, 24 May 2005 18:51:15 -0400 (EDT) From: G4gvw@aol.com Message-ID: <1e1.3d257106.2fc509e3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 18:51:15 EDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5003 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of aol.com designates 64.12.137.2 as permitted sender Subject: Re: LF: reception with multiple antennas Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi Stewart
 
Maybe "lateral thinking" arising from your notes suggests that a form of "phase modulation" might therefore be possible?
 
I need to think that one through with its implications.
 
It's near midnight and I am going to bed but I guess sleep will be delayed while I worry my way through these ideas !
 
73 de pat g4gvw 
 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 25 May 2005 03:41:00 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DalpM-0005dC-IJ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 25 May 2005 03:41:00 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DalpM-0005d6-DN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 25 May 2005 03:41:00 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Daloi-0007mV-GY for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 03:40:20 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Daloi-0007mM-6J for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 03:40:20 +0100 Received: from mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.146]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dalof-0001IR-9v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 03:40:20 +0100 Received: from pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz ([210.86.15.240]) by mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz with ESMTP id <20050525024009.YYVV21916.mta203-rme.xtra.co.nz@pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz> for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:40:09 +1200 Received: from bjhayes ([219.88.52.166]) by pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz with SMTP id <20050525024008.DEKI7985.pop1-rme.xtra.co.nz@bjhayes> for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 14:40:08 +1200 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.20050525144117.00829100@pop3.xtra.co.nz> X-Sender: bjhayes@pop3.xtra.co.nz X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 14:41:17 +1200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Brenda Hayes Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of xtra.co.nz designates 210.86.15.146 as permitted sender Subject: LF: ZL2BBJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello all, I also mourn the untimely passing of Andrew Corney, ZL2BBJ. For the past many years Andrew was a dedicated member of our ZL LF group. Along with Dave, ZL3FJ he was an early user of large loop aerials for LF transmitting. With Bob, ZL2CA he jointly authored the LF column in our national ham magazine "Break In". This column, running since 1995, has been a colossal resource in itself and is frequently quoted in overseas magazines. His technical knowledge and willingness to help others will be sadly missed. Kevin, ZL4MD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 25 May 2005 03:47:39 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dalvn-0000fA-Hh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 25 May 2005 03:47:39 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dalvn-0000f3-E6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 25 May 2005 03:47:39 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dalva-0007rh-RS for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 03:47:26 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dalva-0007rY-DY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 03:47:26 +0100 Received: from bay102-f36.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.46] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DalvY-0001K6-Nd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 03:47:26 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 24 May 2005 19:47:17 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Wed, 25 May 2005 02:47:17 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.200] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 24 May 2005 18:47:17 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 25 May 2005 02:47:17.0653 (UTC) FILETIME=[1086CC50:01C560D4] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.46 as permitted sender Subject: LF: Wolf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Sorry its budget month and making my on air times limited and late - wd2xdw 137.4 WOLF 50W on 0250Z until either a storm outside or a storm inside. Laurence em26aq From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 25 May 2005 08:02:16 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DapuC-0008CJ-0g for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:02:16 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DapuB-0008C2-Ra for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 25 May 2005 08:02:15 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dapqz-0008Og-FE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 07:58:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dapqw-0008OX-Sb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 07:58:54 +0100 Received: from sterling.noc-servers.net ([69.93.216.2]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dapqw-0001vk-A3 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 07:58:54 +0100 Received: from ml.scgroup.com ([192.55.122.105] helo=w2ksn) by sterling.noc-servers.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.50) id 1Dapqt-0005KY-Tx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 02:58:52 -0400 Message-ID: <011a01c560f7$60b4afd0$1101a8c0@w2ksn> From: "Stewart Nelson" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c5605f$4a951110$e6a4c593@RD40002> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 00:00:03 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - sterling.noc-servers.net X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - blacksheep.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - scgroup.com X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 69.93.216.2 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of scgroup.com Subject: LF: Re: RE: reception with multiple antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Jim and all, > I guess for an initial feasibility study it would only be necessary > for a number of stations to simultaneously make recordings under > defined conditions, and then the data could be up-loaded and > post-processed at leisure. Because the files will be quite large, I'll set up an FTP account for the purpose, and email the login info to the participants. As a start, we might record 8-bit, 11025 Hz sampling, 135.500 kHz USB, SSB bandwidth, about half an hour, at a time when it's likely for DX QRSS to be visible. I'm open for suggestions to change any of the above parameters. > I presume you would have to initially synchronise the recordings > to within a GRI period for the signals to be combined in this way > would this require some external timing signal, or is it possible > to obtain that info from the Loran signals? You can obtain some timing information from LORAN. The signals are synchronized with UTC. For example, consider the signal from Lessay. Conceptually, the first master pulse group on 6731 was emitted on 01/01/1958 at 00:00:00, and its first slave pulse on 7499 14100 microseconds later. But for the next pulse group pairs, the difference was 14100 + 2 * 10 * (7499 - 6731). Now, the LCM of 2*6731 and 2*7499 is 100951538, so the cycle repeats every 1009.5154 seconds. In theory, if you know what time it is, within +/- 500 seconds, you could tell the exact time just by looking at Lessay. By including signals from other chains, you could tell the date and time without any prior information. One could even write a program that would analyze a .wav file and tell what frequency was tuned, what time the recording was made, and of course where the receiver was located. In practice, this is not only quite complex, but also very difficult, because the time difference between 6731 and 7499 can be any multiple of 20 microseconds. To distinguish them reliably, we would need to measure the difference within +/- 10 us, requiring each measurement to be accurate to +/- 5 us. A real LORAN receiver can do that easily, but when we are limited to SSB bandwidth, getting distorted splatter signals, and sampling audio every 91 us, it would be very difficult. So, I'll require that the operator identify the start time of each recording, with an accuracy of +/- 10 seconds. Then, the program need only distinguish time differences that are at least 880 us apart. > how would you compensate for variations in gain between different > receiving stations? I'd calibrate by using the strength of the reference LORAN signal. Unfortunately, this is subject to error from skywave interference. A real LORAN Rx can eliminate skywave by looking at just the first few cycles of the pulse, but that would be nearly impossible for us, for the reasons cited above. Of course, if the stations are quite close together, the skywave signals should be similar. If not, we could fix the gain using daytime calibration data. If that is also unworkable, because the Rx gain is unstable, I don't have a good answer. > how would you deal with variations of phase response within the > passbands of different stations? That's a serious problem -- Joe Taylor gave up on coherent detection for JT65, largely because of the horrible group delay characteristics of the typical ham transceiver. The S/N of the average LORAN line in Markus' recording (10 mHz BW) is about 10 dB. I believe that gating the input with a window for the desired station will improve that by at least 3 dB. There are about 682 lines in 2400 Hz passband. If we compute the phase of each of those lines, and apply a little smoothing, we should have a quite accurate picture of the phase response. That's the good news. The bad news is that there may be random phase errors caused by inability to lock onto a specific cycle. I'm still working on that. 73, Stewart KK7KA From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 25 May 2005 11:12:43 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DassV-0007HW-64 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:12:43 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DassV-0007Fd-1y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:12:43 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DasrT-0000M7-GI for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:11:39 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DasrT-0000Ly-5Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:11:39 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net ([216.148.227.85]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DasrQ-0002ZO-Mx for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:11:39 +0100 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <2005052510111701400sq2g8e>; Wed, 25 May 2005 10:11:22 +0000 Message-ID: <001201c56112$2d153f80$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 06:11:48 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.148.227.85 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net Subject: LF: Re: Wolf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Laurence Nil...lots of static last night, though. Jay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laurence KL1X" To: ; Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 10:47 PM Subject: LF: Wolf > Sorry its budget month and making my on air times limited and late - > > wd2xdw 137.4 WOLF 50W on 0250Z until either a storm outside or a storm > inside. > > Laurence > em26aq > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 25 May 2005 11:33:11 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DatCE-0008KS-Ca for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:33:08 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DatCD-0008Jq-VB for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:33:06 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DatBu-0000Re-M8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:32:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DatBu-0000RV-0M for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:32:46 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.198.39]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DatBs-0002ft-Bb for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 11:32:45 +0100 Received: from JAYTERMINAL (c-67-177-102-19.hsd1.ct.comcast.net[67.177.102.19]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005052510323701500ftqkqe>; Wed, 25 May 2005 10:32:37 +0000 Message-ID: <001301c56115$24ef57c0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> From: "Jay Rusgrove" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000001c5605f$4a951110$e6a4c593@RD40002> <011a01c560f7$60b4afd0$1101a8c0@w2ksn> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 06:33:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 204.127.198.39 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of comcast.net Subject: LF: Re: Re: RE: reception with multiple antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Stewart If you could use recordings from CT just say the word... Would 1pps ticks recorded on the unused audio channel be of any benefit in this system? Jay, W1VD p.s. RX setup here: Harris RF-590 + several HP 3586Cs all GPS disciplined by HP-Z3801A. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stewart Nelson" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 3:00 AM Subject: LF: Re: RE: reception with multiple antennas > Hi Jim and all, > > > I guess for an initial feasibility study it would only be necessary > > for a number of stations to simultaneously make recordings under > > defined conditions, and then the data could be up-loaded and > > post-processed at leisure. > > Because the files will be quite large, I'll set up an FTP account > for the purpose, and email the login info to the participants. > As a start, we might record 8-bit, 11025 Hz sampling, 135.500 kHz USB, > SSB bandwidth, about half an hour, at a time when it's likely for > DX QRSS to be visible. I'm open for suggestions to change any of > the above parameters. > > > I presume you would have to initially synchronise the recordings > > to within a GRI period for the signals to be combined in this way > > would this require some external timing signal, or is it possible > > to obtain that info from the Loran signals? > > You can obtain some timing information from LORAN. The signals are > synchronized with UTC. For example, consider the signal from > Lessay. Conceptually, the first master pulse group on 6731 was > emitted on 01/01/1958 at 00:00:00, and its first slave pulse on 7499 > 14100 microseconds later. But for the next pulse group pairs, the > difference was 14100 + 2 * 10 * (7499 - 6731). Now, the LCM of 2*6731 > and 2*7499 is 100951538, so the cycle repeats every 1009.5154 seconds. > In theory, if you know what time it is, within +/- 500 seconds, you > could tell the exact time just by looking at Lessay. By including > signals from other chains, you could tell the date and time without > any prior information. One could even write a program that would > analyze a .wav file and tell what frequency was tuned, what time the > recording was made, and of course where the receiver was located. > > In practice, this is not only quite complex, but also very difficult, > because the time difference between 6731 and 7499 can be any multiple > of 20 microseconds. To distinguish them reliably, we would need to > measure the difference within +/- 10 us, requiring each measurement > to be accurate to +/- 5 us. A real LORAN receiver can do that easily, > but when we are limited to SSB bandwidth, getting distorted splatter > signals, and sampling audio every 91 us, it would be very difficult. > So, I'll require that the operator identify the start time of each > recording, with an accuracy of +/- 10 seconds. Then, the program > need only distinguish time differences that are at least 880 us apart. > > > how would you compensate for variations in gain between different > > receiving stations? > > I'd calibrate by using the strength of the reference LORAN signal. > Unfortunately, this is subject to error from skywave interference. > A real LORAN Rx can eliminate skywave by looking at just the first > few cycles of the pulse, but that would be nearly impossible for us, > for the reasons cited above. Of course, if the stations are quite > close together, the skywave signals should be similar. If not, we > could fix the gain using daytime calibration data. If that is also > unworkable, because the Rx gain is unstable, I don't have a good > answer. > > > how would you deal with variations of phase response within the > > passbands of different stations? > > That's a serious problem -- Joe Taylor gave up on coherent detection > for JT65, largely because of the horrible group delay characteristics > of the typical ham transceiver. The S/N of the average LORAN line > in Markus' recording (10 mHz BW) is about 10 dB. I believe that > gating the input with a window for the desired station will improve > that by at least 3 dB. There are about 682 lines in 2400 Hz passband. > If we compute the phase of each of those lines, and apply a little > smoothing, we should have a quite accurate picture of the phase > response. > > That's the good news. The bad news is that there may be random > phase errors caused by inability to lock onto a specific cycle. > I'm still working on that. > > 73, > > Stewart KK7KA > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:35:25 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DauAV-000531-T0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:35:24 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DauAV-00051r-FW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:35:23 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dau9l-0000cR-Tq for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:34:37 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dau9l-0000cI-9F for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:34:37 +0100 Received: from smtpout18.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.18] helo=mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dau9j-0002wf-Rg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:34:37 +0100 Received: from aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050525113430.BOTC20297.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:34:30 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050525113430.NCPO29369.aamta04-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 12:34:30 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 12:34:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <429470CF.10995.5AB276@localhost> In-reply-to: <001301c56115$24ef57c0$6401a8c0@JAYTERMINAL> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of ntlworld.com designates 212.250.162.18 as permitted sender Subject: LF: Reception with multiple antennas Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) I have been following this interesting discussion, but I have some perhaps naive observations which could do with some expert answers. Combining the output from two stations will give double the noise and double the signal - so no advantage there. I presume the fix is to make sure the two outputs are in phase, thus producing an improvement as the signals will be coherent but the noise will not. Plainly, there will be phase differences between the two receiving stations because of the different path lengths, and I suppose there would need to be compensation for this at the combining station. I can see this being useful for point to point ground-wave links, where the relative phase between the two received signals can be predicted and is constant. But how can it work when the incoming signal is from an unpredictable direction, and the path length (and hence phase) of a sky-wave signal is varying all of the time? At best you will have diversity reception (as described by Mal), but how do you keep two sky-wave signals in synch? Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:51:16 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DavLu-0006Jv-Pv for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:51:16 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DavLu-0006JW-L8 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:51:14 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DavLU-0000oT-BB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:50:48 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DavLT-0000oK-Sr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:50:47 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DavLR-0003Ih-Az for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:50:47 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.36.11 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 May 2005 12:50:38 -0000 Message-ID: <000b01c56128$4a65d160$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <429470CF.10995.5AB276@localhost> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:48:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.196 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com Subject: LF: Re: Reception with multiple antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi all this is an interesting problem, and I have done some crude calculations to try and understand the effects and some causes of fading. Often after a geomag. storm there can be multipath which leads to dips in excess of 20dB in the received signal. I suspect that the multiple aerial would not be a help in these conditions where the phase is often changing at around 8 degrees per minute. As I understand it, two sites receiving the same signal and correcting for phase difference would lead to a 6dB increase in the required signal. If the noise is assumed to be non-coherent combining the singals should lead to just a 3dB increase in noise so one should see an increse in S/N of 3dB for every doubling of the aerial size. Now to answer Mike's other query, previous experience on fading suggest that there is a "footprint" for the incoming signal around 50kms in diameter where stations receive with similar fading patterns. Although the phases will be different at different locations and will change as the ionospheric "refection" layer moves, all the stations inside the footprint will see sensibly the same changes in phase. ( the parts of the ionosphere "used" by each station will be sensibly moving up and down the same amount) This is a phase difference that can be optimised for all the stations initially for a given target path, then the phase difference should stay sensibly constant over practical usable periods. We have noticed a lag in the fading of QRSS stations at different locations, most dramartically with John WD2XES and Warren WD2XGJ (who are about 50 miles apart) over the winter when there is often a 20 minute difference on the time that they fade down, but this can remain almost constant for several hours (and several fade cycles). This suggests there may be the need for a "calibration" phase, but this is not too different from the situation with WOLF, though it may be difficult to optimise the initial phase when you dont know what you are looking for. This suggests to me that it may be necessary for the tranmitting station to transmit a "training" signal, in moden parlance, but I suppose this is just what the interleaved code does in WOLF. One can certainly see a phase"locking" in WOLF well before the variable signal becone decodable. I find this a fascinating possibility as it might allow me to probe the ionosphere in a more detailed way. I had been hoping to be able to monitor phase changes during darkness to define how the path lengths changed and try to understand the interaction between absorption and cancellation in determining the signal levels at extreme distances. Remote reception of Loran signals was a possibility but I am not sufficiently expert in software to write the necessary code, and we did discuss the possible use of DCF39 Wolf DL4YHF some years ago, but there are different problems there. What is interesting is that if you cant "hear" a signal you dont know how much to improve the equipment by, so you are handicapped. We used CFH in the early days to estimate the possibilities of Transatlantic reception at 1w ERP. Since those days LF horizons have expanded immensly Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Dennison" To: Sent: 25 May 2005 12:34 Subject: LF: Reception with multiple antennas > I have been following this interesting discussion, but I have some > perhaps naive observations which could do with some expert answers. > > Combining the output from two stations will give double the noise and > double the signal - so no advantage there. I presume the fix is to > make sure the two outputs are in phase, thus producing an improvement > as the signals will be coherent but the noise will not. > > Plainly, there will be phase differences between the two receiving > stations because of the different path lengths, and I suppose there > would need to be compensation for this at the combining station. > > I can see this being useful for point to point ground-wave links, > where the relative phase between the two received signals can be > predicted and is constant. But how can it work when the incoming > signal is from an unpredictable direction, and the path length (and > hence phase) of a sky-wave signal is varying all of the time? > > At best you will have diversity reception (as described by Mal), but > how do you keep two sky-wave signals in synch? > > Mike, G3XDV > ========== > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:52:07 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DavMj-0005po-Or for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:52:07 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DavMj-0005oc-BZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:52:05 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DavMa-0000qZ-FU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:51:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DavMa-0000qQ-0G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:51:56 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DavMX-0003JM-BL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:51:55 +0100 Received: from altair ([147.197.215.111] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1DavME-00052h-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:51:34 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DavMD-0006dI-H7 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 13:51:33 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 13:51:32 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c56128$7a6f2e60$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <429470CF.10995.5AB276@localhost> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: RE: Reception with multiple antennas Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

 

Dear Stewart, Mike, LF Group,

 

But how can it work when the incoming

signal is from an unpredictable direction, and the path length (and

hence phase) of a sky-wave signal is varying all of the time?

 

The direction is predictable if you know where the signal is coming from, and Stewart proposes to effectively keep the receivers in sync by using the Loran noise received by all receivers as a common reference to adjust the phase and amplitude at each receiver. Whether the vagaries of sky wave propagation will cause too much unpredictable phase shift is something that still needs to be determined, but it would be interesting to find out.

 

At best you will have diversity reception (as described by Mal), but

how do you keep two sky-wave signals in synch?

 

Mike, G3XDV

==========

 

With simple diversity reception, SNR is unchanged, but you can select the signal with best SNR from a number of receivers, as a way of combating fading. If you can coherently add the signals, you get more than you would using diversity reception – ideally, with N receivers, the signal-to-noise is N times better, assuming the noise at each receiver is un-correlated. If the noise is correlated, in principle I guess it ought to be possible to null it out completely

 

Something else which occurs to me is about antennas – if you use a vertical antenna, the received signal is in principle unaffected by direction of signal arrival. But if you use a loop antenna, as well as the amplitude varying with direction, the phase of the signal will also change by 180 degrees between the “front” and the “back” of the loop. An omnidirectional system using a quadrature combiner to combine the output of two loops at right angles, as used by DF6NM, will also produce a phase shift that is a function of direction. Does this mean that effectively a vertical must be used?

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Wed, 25 May 2005 23:45:59 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Db4dR-0003mF-VX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 25 May 2005 23:45:59 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Db4dR-0003m7-RS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Wed, 25 May 2005 23:45:57 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Db4cS-0001ia-Ot for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 23:44:56 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Db4cS-0001iR-EV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 23:44:56 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Db4cQ-0005zI-P6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Wed, 25 May 2005 23:44:56 +0100 Received: from p1i5f0 (unknown [204.244.17.82]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 0DE7CB830B for ; Wed, 25 May 2005 15:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007201c5617b$ba3a9400$5211f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> <002f01c55d97$09df4840$8c802ed8@server> <000901c55d99$bb7d7cf0$0700a8c0@Laptop> <005201c55e00$e1f57ce0$8c802ed8@server> <001901c55e4e$6ceda1e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <003a01c55ebe$f98b99c0$b7952ed8@server> Date: Wed, 25 May 2005 15:47:26 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 208.181.178.5 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of gulfislands.com Subject: LF: Re: Re: Loop antenna problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) J.B. - what rx are you using with the loop? Another thought....could there be a problem with the coax cable? ...old? ...moisture? ....shield open at the connector? Steve / VE7SL From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 May 2005 06:28:21 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbAuq-0006vS-HP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:28:21 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbAuq-0006vB-9a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:28:20 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbAuI-0002QJ-1T for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:27:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbAuH-0002QA-Jg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:27:45 +0100 Received: from mailout07.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.83]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbAuG-000808-9z for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:27:45 +0100 Received: from fwd17.aul.t-online.de by mailout07.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1Db9wR-0004L7-00; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:25:55 +0200 Received: from HW1 (VU0cv2ZDoeGgC8ltXgjytBLbrhklSo-DSF95+hXAGm7d4uSXD9FUg3@[84.133.81.3]) by fwd17.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1Db9wK-0yGjbM0; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:25:48 +0200 Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 06:25:48 +0200 From: Hartmut Wolff X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62r) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <65074958.20050526062548@t-online.de> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org MIME-Version: 1.0 X-ID: VU0cv2ZDoeGgC8ltXgjytBLbrhklSo-DSF95+hXAGm7d4uSXD9FUg3 X-TOI-MSGID: 2c30295e-884a-4138-8ef7-2b0d579213fd X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 194.25.134.83 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of t-online.de Subject: LF: TA May, 25/26th Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Copied VO1NA 0200-0230z last night. Only unreadable traces on the WD2XGJ frequency. This was the first copy of a full TA callsign since the 19th of May. Captures can be seen here: http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm 73 Hartmut Locator:JO52ho www.h-wolff.de From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:03:25 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbG96-0004Mi-Es for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:03:25 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbG96-0004M8-0v for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:03:24 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbG7q-0002qk-MF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:02:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbG7q-0002qb-A1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:02:06 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbG7n-00013d-NV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:02:06 +0100 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4QAtn10029479 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 06:55:49 -0400 Received: from server (dial-95.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.95]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id j4QB2QJF027561 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 07:02:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00b701c561da$4491d560$98802ed8@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> <002f01c55d97$09df4840$8c802ed8@server> <000901c55d99$bb7d7cf0$0700a8c0@Laptop> <005201c55e00$e1f57ce0$8c802ed8@server> <001901c55e4e$6ceda1e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <003a01c55ebe$f98b99c0$b7952ed8@server> <007201c5617b$ba3a9400$5211f4cc@p1i5f0> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:04:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.46.129.246 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hurontel.on.ca Subject: LF: Loop problem revealed? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve McDonald" To: Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2005 11:47 PM Subject: LF: Re: Re: Loop antenna problem > > J.B. - what rx are you using with the loop? Another thought....could there > be a problem with the coax cable? ...old? ...moisture? ....shield open at > the connector? > > Steve / VE7SL > Hi Steve, LFers, I'm using a TS-440SAT. I've checked the feedline with an MFJ-259 antenna analyser, and with a 50 ohm dummy load at the antenna end, it shows as being OK from 1.7 mHz. to well above 4 mHz., but what it is at the LF frequencies may be another matter. With that in mind, I tried a new temporary feedline and saw no improvement. I think that Jim, M0BMU, is onto something when he suggested that the pickup loop is loading down the antenna. There's a short pigtail lead of RG-213 from the junction box on the loop to the hardline I'm using as the feeder. When I connect that pigtail to a 50 ohm dummy load, the signal strength as monitored by a portable LF radio near to the loop goes all to h..l. With the pickup loop disconnected, the tuning of the main loop is very sharp and signals tuned in on the portable LF rx jump way up in strength when I tune the loop thru resonance. This indicates to me that the main loop is working fine and has pretty good Q. I'm going to try the transformer approach tonite. 73, J.B. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:52:16 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbImU-0002VF-QO for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:52:16 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbImU-0002Uw-LG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:52:14 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbImK-00039Q-PN for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:52:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbImK-00039G-5Q for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:52:04 +0100 Received: from smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.204]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbImI-0001s3-EU for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 14:52:04 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO MJUSonyLaptop) (m.j.underhill@hg1.btinternet.com@81.157.5.166 with login) by smtp814.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 May 2005 13:51:56 -0000 From: "Mike Underhill" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 14:51:55 +0100 Message-ID: <006d01c561fa$14650450$6405a8c0@MJUSonyLaptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <000b01c56128$4a65d160$6507a8c0@Main> Importance: Normal X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.204 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of underhill.co.uk Subject: LF: RE: Re: Reception with multiple antennas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1250; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Alan/Mike/Group I think that reception with multiple antennas is a very interesting suggestion/proposal. Here are some 'bookwork' theoretical points which could be taken into consideration? Optimum (non-coherent) combining of a number of signals without knowledge of the (relative) carrier phase of each can be done by weighting each, before combining, by their own signal to noise ratio (SNR). For four received signals, only if the SNR of each of the signals are equal will an SNR improvement of 6dB be achievable (over the best signal). If carrier phase is known for each signal, then three independent nulls may be placed on (point-) sources of noise. The 'beam forming' can be done in a computer on stored records of the signals not in real time. The carrier phase is best stored at baseband by down-converting each signal to I and Q signals and recording these. The time accuracy of the recordings should be better than 1/100th of the shortest symbol length for 40db nulls. Obviously for WOLF this is much shorter than for QRSS. After one or up to three simultaneous nulls have been found for the noise sources the combining weights required for identifying these will also give their directions of arrival. Depending on the strength of these noise sources the SNR can then sometimes be increased considerably more than the 6db for four receiving sites. If the sites are less tan about half a wavelength apart an antenna gain of greater that 6dB but less than 12dB may also be achieved. For antennas greater than about one wavelength apart the gain cannot be usefully increased over the 6dB combining limit. If the signal is say 20dB above noise at each of a pair of antennas (after the longest possible time integration) then the angle or direction of arrival can be determined to an accuracy of about 1/10th of a/lambda where 'a' is the distance between the two antenna as seen from the direction of arrival of the signals. For antennas that are several wavelengths part, greater angular accuracy is achieved at the cost of 'ambiguities or grating lobes' that have to be resolved by other means. But fortunately the approximate angles and directions of arrival can be guessed for LF operation, and a long baseline interferometer can provide 'vernier' information to great accuracy. A pair of stations along the direction of arrival will give the elevation angle of arrival; a broadside pair will give the direction of arrival. The integration time required to obtain sufficient SNR for a good measurement or better detection of the information on the signal can of course be improved (as suggested) by tracking carrier phase variations throughout each received symbol. In this way optimum combining of all received signals may be achieved and the signal processing gain will be maximised. Finding the time delays of multipath signals is in principle also possible but not well suited to the low bandwidths of LF signals. WOLF has got to be better for this. With multiple antennas it is possible to compute a main beam directed to optimise one of the paths with nulls on the other paths. This should be done on the stored records for each of the identifiable multi-paths. Then one computes the relative carrier phases of the optimised signals and from these the relative path delays may be computed, but with an ambiguity of 1/136kHz or 7.35 microseconds. Again this ambiguity has to be resolved by other means. The necessary information is held in the relative start (or finish) times of each symbol transmitted. These are much easier to establish with WOLF than with QRSS. In summary I am suggesting the exchange of signal records in the form if I and Q pairs. This will require the appropriate demodulators for each 'netted' receive station. I hope this is useful and may stimulate further thought and action. Mike G3LHZ. -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner- > rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Alan Melia > Sent: 25 May 2005 13:48 > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org > Subject: LF: Re: Reception with multiple antennas > > Hi all this is an interesting problem, and I have done some crude > calculations to try and understand the effects and some causes of fading. > Often after a geomag. storm there can be multipath which leads to dips in > excess of 20dB in the received signal. I suspect that the multiple aerial > would not be a help in these conditions where the phase is often changing > at > around 8 degrees per minute. > > As I understand it, two sites receiving the same signal and correcting for > phase difference would lead to a 6dB increase in the required signal. If > the > noise is assumed to be non-coherent combining the singals should lead to > just a 3dB increase in noise so one should see an increse in S/N of 3dB > for > every doubling of the aerial size. > > Now to answer Mike's other query, previous experience on fading suggest > that > there is a "footprint" for the incoming signal around 50kms in diameter > where stations receive with similar fading patterns. Although the phases > will be different at different locations and will change as the > ionospheric > "refection" layer moves, all the stations inside the footprint will see > sensibly the same changes in phase. ( the parts of the ionosphere "used" > by > each station will be sensibly moving up and down the same amount) This is > a > phase difference that can be optimised for all the stations initially for > a > given target path, then the phase difference should stay sensibly constant > over practical usable periods. We have noticed a lag in the fading of QRSS > stations at different locations, most dramartically with John WD2XES and > Warren WD2XGJ (who are about 50 miles apart) over the winter when there is > often a 20 minute difference on the time that they fade down, but this can > remain almost constant for several hours (and several fade cycles). > > This suggests there may be the need for a "calibration" phase, but this is > not too different from the situation with WOLF, though it may be difficult > to optimise the initial phase when you dont know what you are looking for. > This suggests to me that it may be necessary for the tranmitting station > to > transmit a "training" signal, in moden parlance, but I suppose this is > just > what the interleaved code does in WOLF. One can certainly see a > phase"locking" in WOLF well before the variable signal becone decodable. > > I find this a fascinating possibility as it might allow me to probe the > ionosphere in a more detailed way. I had been hoping to be able to monitor > phase changes during darkness to define how the path lengths changed and > try > to understand the interaction between absorption and cancellation in > determining the signal levels at extreme distances. Remote reception of > Loran signals was a possibility but I am not sufficiently expert in > software > to write the necessary code, and we did discuss the possible use of DCF39 > Wolf DL4YHF some years ago, but there are different problems there. > > What is interesting is that if you cant "hear" a signal you dont know how > much to improve the equipment by, so you are handicapped. We used CFH in > the > early days to estimate the possibilities of Transatlantic reception at 1w > ERP. Since those days LF horizons have expanded immensly > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mike Dennison" > To: > Sent: 25 May 2005 12:34 > Subject: LF: Reception with multiple antennas > > > > I have been following this interesting discussion, but I have some > > perhaps naive observations which could do with some expert answers. > > > > Combining the output from two stations will give double the noise and > > double the signal - so no advantage there. I presume the fix is to > > make sure the two outputs are in phase, thus producing an improvement > > as the signals will be coherent but the noise will not. > > > > Plainly, there will be phase differences between the two receiving > > stations because of the different path lengths, and I suppose there > > would need to be compensation for this at the combining station. > > > > I can see this being useful for point to point ground-wave links, > > where the relative phase between the two received signals can be > > predicted and is constant. But how can it work when the incoming > > signal is from an unpredictable direction, and the path length (and > > hence phase) of a sky-wave signal is varying all of the time? > > > > At best you will have diversity reception (as described by Mal), but > > how do you keep two sky-wave signals in synch? > > > > Mike, G3XDV > > ========== -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 25/05/2005 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:45:36 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbJc8-00050c-48 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:45:36 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbJc8-00050F-0U for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:45:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbJbj-0003N8-9Y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:45:11 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbJbi-0003Mz-UK for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:45:10 +0100 Received: from fmmailgate05.web.de ([217.72.192.243]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbJbg-0002By-Ge for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 15:45:10 +0100 Received: by fmmailgate05.web.de (8.12.10/8.12.10/webde Linux 0.7) with SMTP id j4QEix1f029994 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:45:02 +0200 Received: from [217.248.191.144] by freemailng1801.web.de with HTTP; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:45:00 +0200 Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 16:45:00 +0200 Message-Id: <367832978@web.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.72.192.243 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of web.de Subject: LF: off topics: Inverter 12V/-12V wanted from DK 8 ND Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Lowfers, for a cw-shaping circuit with an op-amp (second order key-klick filter by Jim Moritz) I need an inverter for the negative supply of the op-amp. It is not possible to choose an dc/dc-converter, as most of these devices operate at frequencies of 100 kHz...500 kHz, just where the receiver will run. So it is necessary to design an inverter with an transformer running at 100 Hz...500 Hz, what is a good frequency for laminated cores designed for 50 Hz ac. Effectivity may be low, as the circuit will draw only a few mA at voltages of -5...-12V, when powered at +12V. My current thought: Astable multivib followed by driver-transistor and an 230V/12V-12V-Transformer (the 230V ac-windign will not be used). After rectification and stabilisation an voltage of -4V...-6V seems to be feasable. Have You already done somthing similar? Any proposals warmly welcome. 55, Hans-Albrecht DK 8 ND cba ______________________________________________________________ Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 May 2005 16:12:14 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbK1s-0000yv-AS for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:12:14 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbK1s-0000yn-6F for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:12:12 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbK1R-0003U9-JW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:11:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbK1R-0003U0-5r for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:11:45 +0100 Received: from simmts5.bellnexxia.net ([206.47.199.163] helo=simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbK1M-0002OD-69 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:11:45 +0100 Received: from [192.168.123.199] ([65.95.173.20]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.10 201-253-122-130-110-20040306) with ESMTP id <20050526151123.PMUB11606.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@[192.168.123.199]>; Thu, 26 May 2005 11:11:23 -0400 User-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.6 Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 11:14:54 -0400 From: Mitch Powell To: weazle@hurontel.on.ca CC: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Message-ID: Mime-version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of sympatico.ca designates 206.47.199.163 as permitted sender Subject: LF: Loop Content-type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Loop J.B.
http://www.lwca.org/library/articles/ywk/octoloop.htm

http://technology.fanshawec.on.ca/elec316/rigs.htm

http://technology.fanshawec.on.ca/eltn124/leeloop.htm

These sites are oriented more towards the "ocotoloop" than the
multi-turn loop you are using, but might provide some food for
thought.
I have used them for the past eight years. At present I have a 10 foot
"octoloop" and a 16 turn remotely tuned loop ( using varactors ) and
switch back and forth. I find the "octoloop" to be trouble free here.

The major advantage of the "octoloop" is that it tunes from approx 10 kHz to 500 kHz
allowing me to do lots of NDB work, and the 160-190 kHz and also the 137 kHz
band - without tuning  - and they work prefectly.
I use the Burhans preamp and it is excellent - I have sent them across the
country ( even to Steve  VE7SL )
Copied Steve every night on our 137 kHz trials, and also the New Zealand station.

If you're interested, I have a 7 foot octoloop, which has been gathering dust
in the back shed for a year or so.... it has preamp and is ready to go. I can throw
it on top of the car and deliver if you like. It's for free!
My son is in Bayfield so it's also a good chance to visit - ! ! !

Let me know

73

Mitch  VE3OT  London

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:59:41 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbNa1-0007ee-HE for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 19:59:41 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbNa1-0007eY-Dc for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 19:59:41 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbNZc-0003vl-P4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 19:59:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbNZc-0003vc-38 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 19:59:16 +0100 Received: from fh1023.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.33] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbNZb-0003RX-Ho for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 19:59:16 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.77) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 4291A7800014C4CA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:59:11 +0000 Message-ID: <002501c5620f$a1ce23c0$4de8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:25:19 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: GI-EXPEDITION Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
    I hope to be in GI/Tyrone for a couple of months starting July. If there is sufficient interest I will fire up on 137 khz both on CW and QRS 3. The antenna mast there is a vertical at 120 ft high and the antennas will be 3 inv L each at 120 ft vert and
and 300 ft horiz, see the YXM photo gallery. I would like to work as many countries as possibel on both modes but preferably CW.
Let me have your observations as soon as possible, there will be no Internet and all arrangements when active from Tyrone will be on 7025/14025 khz. I will be active on all HF bands from there.
I wonder if any of the UA6 stns will be on air at the time, xband is also possible with the W and VE stns if anyone interested.
 
73 de Mal/G3KEV
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 May 2005 19:59:42 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbNa2-0007ex-1z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 19:59:42 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore13.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbNa1-0007ej-Tg for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 19:59:42 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbNZd-0003vy-At for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 19:59:17 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbNZc-0003vp-VD for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 19:59:16 +0100 Received: from fh1023.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.33] helo=n066.sc1.cp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbNZb-0003RW-Hp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 19:59:16 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.77) by n066.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 4291A7800014C4C6 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 18:59:09 +0000 Message-ID: <002401c5620f$a0a00400$4de8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:10:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.97.168.33 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of virgin.net Subject: LF: multiple antennas etc Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Hi All
I think this idea will take off !!! Those active on LF that I have spoken to so far cannot wait to get going.There is such a  volume of traffic to pass amongst us active on LF that the present system cannot cope !!
 More info please.
de G3KEV
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 May 2005 20:35:49 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbO8y-0000Sm-C1 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 20:35:49 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbO8y-0000Sf-8a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 20:35:48 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbO8g-00047j-9y for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 20:35:30 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbO8f-00047a-VL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 20:35:29 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbO8e-0003bv-7G for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 20:35:29 +0100 Received: from p1i5f0 (unknown [204.244.17.86]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4213CB8C12 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 12:34:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003901c5622a$4547a980$5611f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002501c5620f$a1ce23c0$4de8fc3e@l8p8y6> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 12:36:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 208.181.178.5 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of gulfislands.com Subject: LF: Re: GI-EXPEDITION Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
... xband is also possible with the W and VE stns if anyone interested.
 
"VE" yes, "W"..hhhmm....has this issue ever been figured out?
 
Steve / VE7SL
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 May 2005 20:53:05 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbOPh-0001gC-4V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 20:53:05 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbOPh-0001g1-0P for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 20:53:05 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbOPO-0004DQ-Jt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 20:52:46 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbOPO-0004DH-8i for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 20:52:46 +0100 Received: from smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.74]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbOPM-0003i6-Jf for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 20:52:46 +0100 Received: (qmail 14296 invoked from network); 26 May 2005 19:52:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (208.37.242.34) by smtpout03-04.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.74) with ESMTP; 26 May 2005 19:52:40 -0000 Message-ID: <002a01c5622c$7a6b69b0$8d01a8c0@JKA> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002501c5620f$a1ce23c0$4de8fc3e@l8p8y6> <003901c5622a$4547a980$5611f4cc@p1i5f0> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 15:52:41 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.74 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com Subject: LF: Re: Re: GI-EXPEDITION Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Steve, >"VE" yes, "W"..hhhmm....has this issue ever been figured out? Not to my knowledge. We are clear at the U.S. end, but I don't believe that anyone has asked the question on the U.K. side. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 May 2005 21:40:53 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbP9w-0005GN-NC for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:40:53 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbP9w-0005G2-Ip for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:40:52 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbP9Y-0004M6-DU for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:40:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbP9Y-0004Lx-2a for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:40:28 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbP9W-0003vD-G1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:40:28 +0100 Received: from p1i5f0 (unknown [204.244.17.79]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id E782EB7FAB for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001701c56233$8963cb40$4f11f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002501c5620f$a1ce23c0$4de8fc3e@l8p8y6> <003901c5622a$4547a980$5611f4cc@p1i5f0> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:43:12 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 208.181.178.5 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of gulfislands.com Subject: LF: Re: Re: GI-EXPEDITION Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
... xband is also possible with the W and VE stns if anyone interested.
 
...my error..I was thinking 'in-band' not xband...duhh
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 May 2005 21:42:39 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbPBf-0005vk-1G for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:42:39 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbPBe-0005va-U6 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:42:38 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbPBb-0004QY-AA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:42:35 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbPBa-0004QO-Vj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:42:34 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPBZ-0003x9-Ij for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 21:42:34 +0100 Received: from p1i5f0 (unknown [204.244.17.79]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id AAC5EB8378 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 13:42:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001f01c56233$d588e5a0$4f11f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <002501c5620f$a1ce23c0$4de8fc3e@l8p8y6> <003901c5622a$4547a980$5611f4cc@p1i5f0> <002a01c5622c$7a6b69b0$8d01a8c0@JKA> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 13:45:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 208.181.178.5 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of gulfislands.com Subject: LF: Re: Re: Re: GI-EXPEDITION Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) > Steve, > > >"VE" yes, "W"..hhhmm....has this issue ever been figured out? > > Not to my knowledge. We are clear at the U.S. end, but I don't believe that > anyone has asked the question on the U.K. side. Thanks for the clarification on the in-band question John. I was unaware that the Part 5 stations could work the Europeans. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:03:18 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbPVd-0005IM-CX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:03:18 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbPVd-0005IA-7d for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:03:17 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbPVO-0004Yb-6Q for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:03:02 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbPVN-0004YS-R0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:03:01 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPVM-00048m-Aj for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:03:01 +0100 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4QKubFG013546 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 16:56:37 -0400 Received: from server (dial-137.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.137]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id j4QL3FvD020661 for ; Thu, 26 May 2005 17:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00f801c5622e$157a9560$98802ed8@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 20:58:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 216.46.129.246 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of hurontel.on.ca Subject: LF: Re: Loop Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Loop
Hello Mitch, LFer's,
 
That would be great, thanks very much!  I'm home most evenings and every
weekend, so you shouldn't have any problem catching me.  Contact me on
the local repeater, 146.940, PL123, and I'll talk you in, as my place is a bit
hard to find if you've never been here before.
 
73, J.B.
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:16:23 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbPiI-0001eJ-Mj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:16:23 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbPiI-0001e5-Ih for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:16:22 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbPi1-0004et-Ou for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:16:05 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbPi1-0004ek-0H for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:16:05 +0100 Received: from grunt9.ihug.co.nz ([203.109.254.51]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPhw-0004Cy-Rw for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:16:04 +0100 Received: from 203-173-190-191.bliink.ihug.co.nz (athlon1200) [203.173.190.191] by grunt9.ihug.co.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 1DbPhq-0008R4-00; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:15:54 +1200 Received: from 127.0.0.1 (AVG SMTP 7.0.322 [266.11.17]); Fri, 27 May 2005 09:15:59 +1200 Message-ID: <01ae01c56238$1d038df0$7900a8c0@athlon1200> From: "Dave Brown" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <367832978@web.de> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:15:59 +1200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 203.109.254.51 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of ihug.co.nz Subject: LF: Re: off topics: Inverter 12V/-12V wanted from DK 8 ND Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) There used to be a low frequency arrangement using a 555 timer as a DC-DC converter for charging NICds from a 12 volt supply-was common in the amateur literature maybe 20 years ago. Might be the sort of thing to use? Just googled and this looks like the sort of thing I mean. http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Bill_Bowden/page10.htm#5volts.gif 73 Dave, ZL3FJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hans-Albrecht Haffa" To: Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 2:45 AM Subject: LF: off topics: Inverter 12V/-12V wanted from DK 8 ND > Dear Lowfers, > for a cw-shaping circuit with an op-amp (second order key-klick > filter by Jim Moritz) I need an inverter for the negative supply of > the op-amp. It is not possible to choose an dc/dc-converter, as most > of these devices operate at frequencies of 100 kHz...500 kHz, just > where the receiver will run. > So it is necessary to design an inverter with an transformer running > at 100 Hz...500 Hz, what is a good frequency for laminated cores > designed for 50 Hz ac. Effectivity may be low, as the circuit will > draw only a few mA at voltages of -5...-12V, when powered at +12V. > My current thought: Astable multivib followed by driver-transistor > and an 230V/12V-12V-Transformer (the 230V ac-windign will not be > used). After rectification and stabilisation an voltage > of -4V...-6V seems to be feasable. > Have You already done somthing similar? Any proposals warmly > welcome. > > 55, Hans-Albrecht > DK 8 ND cba > > > > > ______________________________________________________________ > Verschicken Sie romantische, coole und witzige Bilder per SMS! > Jetzt bei WEB.DE FreeMail: http://f.web.de/?mc=021193 > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: > 25/05/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.322 / Virus Database: 266.11.17 - Release Date: 25/05/2005 From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:17:20 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbPjD-00010v-9z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:17:20 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbPjD-00010m-5l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:17:19 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbPj9-0004hn-3r for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:17:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbPj8-0004he-O9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:17:14 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbPj7-0004Dc-Bp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:17:14 +0100 Received: from altair ([147.197.215.111] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1DbPiu-0007n6-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:17:00 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DbPit-0004gF-FW for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 22:16:59 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 22:17:00 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c56238$414022a0$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <367832978@web.de> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: RE: off topics: Inverter 12V/-12V wanted from DK 8 ND Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Hans-Albrecht, LF group, You could bypass the problem altogether by using a single-supply op amp, e.g. TLC271 or almost any other CMOS op-amp (but these are usually limited to 15V total supply voltage), or LM324 / LM358 etc. For just a few milliamps, it is very practical to use a diode/capacitor voltage inverter to get several volts -ve by rectifying a square wave output from, e.g. a 555 timer running at a suitable frequency. This is a voltage-doubler type rectifier capacitively coupled to the square wave source. If it is mains-powered, you can do the same thing using the +ve supply transformer winding. Don't worry about regulating the negative supply; op-amps are very tolerant of supply voltage variations. But do make sure you filter the negative supply with an R-C filter. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Hans-Albrecht Haffa Sent: 26 May 2005 15:45 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: off topics: Inverter 12V/-12V wanted from DK 8 ND Dear Lowfers, for a cw-shaping circuit with an op-amp (second order key-klick filter by Jim Moritz) I need an inverter for the negative supply of the op-amp... From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:37:18 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbQyc-00012K-Eo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 23:37:18 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore01.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbQyc-00012B-Bs for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Thu, 26 May 2005 23:37:18 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbQyB-0004x6-FE for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 23:36:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbQyB-0004wx-4D for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 23:36:51 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbQy9-0004VW-R1 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 23:36:51 +0100 Received: from altair ([147.197.215.111] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1DbQxp-0000iw-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 23:36:29 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1DbQxo-0005er-KJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Thu, 26 May 2005 23:36:28 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:36:29 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c56243$5be396e0$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <00b701c561da$4491d560$98802ed8@server> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 147.197.200.9 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: RE: Loop problem revealed? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear J.B., LF Group, ... When I connect that pigtail to a 50 ohm dummy load, the signal strength as monitored by a portable LF radio near to the loop goes all to h..l... That ties in with what I was suggesting - if the loop is ideally loaded for max. output, the signal should only reduce by about 3dB when the load is connected, not go all to h..l :-) Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:16:15 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbY8l-0002Zc-1I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:16:15 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbY8k-0002ZT-TV for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:16:14 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbY7y-0005iy-F8 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:15:26 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbY7y-0005ip-3V for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:15:26 +0100 Received: from outbound05.telus.net ([199.185.220.224] helo=priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbY7u-0005wx-En for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:15:26 +0100 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050527061506.CPTY1967.priv-edtnes40.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Fri, 27 May 2005 00:15:06 -0600 Message-ID: <001c01c56283$a4443b20$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:16:38 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.224 as permitted sender Subject: LF: FLASH: new west coast signal in 2200m band Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
An unknown never heard before TTY signal with low/high tones on 135.93/135.98KHz presently audiable here in Vancouver and Mayne Island.  Seems to have QSB on it.  I read a due N/S null on this signal with the electrostatic loop.
 
Any other reports?
 
73 Scott
 
Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL'  in CN89lg at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:30:42 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbYMk-00019J-3x for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:30:42 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbYMj-00019A-WF for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:30:42 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbYMZ-0005oB-A9 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:30:31 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbYMY-0005o2-VB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:30:30 +0100 Received: from smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.194]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbYMX-00060b-5W for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:30:30 +0100 Received: (qmail 30747 invoked from network); 27 May 2005 06:30:25 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.194) with ESMTP; 27 May 2005 06:30:25 -0000 Message-ID: <000801c5627d$3c21a880$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001c01c56283$a4443b20$0201a8c0@private.network> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 06:30:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.194 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com Subject: LF: Re: FLASH: new west coast signal in 2200m band Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Scott, >An unknown never heard before TTY signal with low/high tones on 135.93/135.98KHz presently audiable here in Vancouver and Mayne Island. < Uh, oh. From the signal strength here, it appears to be CFH. If so, the EU DX window will be affected. John Andrews From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 27 May 2005 07:40:17 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbYVz-0003mS-SA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:40:17 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbYVz-0003mF-OZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:40:15 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbYVo-0005sh-Ne for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:40:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbYVo-0005sY-9e for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:40:04 +0100 Received: from outbound04.telus.net ([199.185.220.223] helo=priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbYVm-00062W-JJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 07:40:04 +0100 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050527063955.LOGG19426.priv-edtnes28.telusplanet.net@cognizant1> for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 00:39:55 -0600 Message-ID: <002601c56287$1c1878c0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001c01c56283$a4443b20$0201a8c0@private.network> <000801c5627d$3c21a880$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Thu, 26 May 2005 23:41:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.223 as permitted sender Subject: LF: Re: Re: FLASH: new west coast signal in 2200m band Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) John Can you take a bearing on what you hear? I don't believe it could be CFH with the strenght it has here... We never hear CFH with levels like this anytime. Regards, Scott ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Andrews" To: Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 10:30 PM Subject: LF: Re: FLASH: new west coast signal in 2200m band > Scott, > > >An unknown never heard before TTY signal with low/high tones on > 135.93/135.98KHz presently audiable here in Vancouver and Mayne Island. < > > Uh, oh. From the signal strength here, it appears to be CFH. If so, the EU > DX window will be affected. > > John Andrews > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:48:30 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbcOC-000417-Dr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:48:29 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbcOC-00040w-AX for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:48:28 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbcNc-0006LH-07 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:47:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbcNb-0006L8-LC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:47:51 +0100 Received: from smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.196]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DbcNa-0007CD-6c for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 11:47:51 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@81.131.65.206 with login) by smtp806.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 27 May 2005 10:47:44 -0000 Message-ID: <000901c562a9$6ce577e0$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001c01c56283$a4443b20$0201a8c0@private.network> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:46:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 217.12.12.196 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of btinternet.com Subject: LF: Re: FLASH: new west coast signal in 2200m band Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Scott that is interesting....there is no sign of a signal on that frequency on Brian's plot, though the Greek Naval station SXV slightly lower seems to be quite strong. If it had been from Newport Corner I am sure it would have registered with Brian. Conditions were quite fair last night. I have never seen any other station in the lists at that frequency. Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Tilley" To: ; Sent: 27 May 2005 07:16 Subject: LF: FLASH: new west coast signal in 2200m band An unknown never heard before TTY signal with low/high tones on 135.93/135.98KHz presently audiable here in Vancouver and Mayne Island. Seems to have QSB on it. I read a due N/S null on this signal with the electrostatic loop. Any other reports? 73 Scott Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL' in CN89lg at: www.scottboxx.com/radio From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 27 May 2005 12:03:32 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dbccl-0006Eg-Sl for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:03:32 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dbccl-0006EK-NP for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:03:31 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dbcc7-0006R4-E0 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:02:51 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dbcc7-0006Qv-2s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:02:51 +0100 Received: from smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.194]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Dbcc5-0007GK-Gq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 12:02:51 +0100 Received: (qmail 27944 invoked from network); 27 May 2005 11:02:46 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.194) with ESMTP; 27 May 2005 11:02:46 -0000 Message-ID: <001401c562a3$481eda60$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001c01c56283$a4443b20$0201a8c0@private.network> <000901c562a9$6ce577e0$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 11:03:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.194 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com Subject: LF: Re: Re: FLASH: new west coast signal in 2200m band Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Scott, Alan, No sign of the signal in daylight this morning. I was just up answering nature's call when I saw the original message and checked the receiver. The signal was quite strong here, but not up to the usual CFH strength. My desire for sleep hindered further research! John A. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 27 May 2005 16:48:53 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dbh4s-0007Vd-Qd for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:48:53 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dbh4s-0007VW-Mo for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:48:50 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dbh48-0006nV-Tt for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:48:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dbh48-0006nM-Il for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:48:04 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DbiIH-00011s-5L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:06:49 +0100 Received: from p1i5f0 (unknown [204.244.17.89]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 2CF23B768F for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 08:47:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007501c562d3$d9fec0a0$5911f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001c01c56283$a4443b20$0201a8c0@private.network> <000901c562a9$6ce577e0$6507a8c0@Main> <001401c562a3$481eda60$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:50:47 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: FLASH: new west coast signal in 2200m band Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) These guys are most certainly out west here somewhere but they are way down in signal strength this morning. Last night they were S9+ while this morning around S2 with a long slow QSB. Scott's D/F puts them either N or S of Vancouver. There has been a joint US-Canadian naval exercise this week off of the west coast of Vancouver Island with a dozen large warships involved. I'm wondering if this signal is American, from Washington state. I'll get a bearing on it today with the 10' loop. If Scott and I disappear then you'll know we've figured it out:-) Steve / VE7SL Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm [L.F. Loops] [Tuna Tin DX] [H.F. Maritime DX] [Crystal Radio DXing] [2200m Band] * NEW [CQ Crossband - 2200m To HF] [NDB DX] [Boatanchors] From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:08:41 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbhO3-000892-D7 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:08:41 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbhO3-00088h-8l for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:08:39 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbhNh-0006t5-Oe for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:08:17 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbhNh-0006sw-6b for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:08:17 +0100 Received: from bay102-f17.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.27] helo=hotmail.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DbiKI-0007IC-13 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 18:08:54 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:08:05 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.206 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 27 May 2005 16:08:05 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.206] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com In-Reply-To: <007501c562d3$d9fec0a0$5911f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:08:05 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 May 2005 16:08:05.0615 (UTC) FILETIME=[442B77F0:01C562D6] Subject: RE: LF: Re: FLASH: new west coast signal in 2200m band Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Im winding up the remote rx in AK, if it still available and let you know what I can see. LAurence >From: "Steve McDonald" >Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org >To: >Subject: LF: Re: FLASH: new west coast signal in 2200m band >Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 08:50:47 -0700 > > >These guys are most certainly out west here somewhere but they are way down >in signal strength this morning. Last night they were S9+ while this >morning >around S2 with a long slow QSB. Scott's D/F puts them either N or S of >Vancouver. There has been a joint US-Canadian naval exercise this week off >of the west coast of Vancouver Island with a dozen large warships involved. >I'm wondering if this signal is American, from Washington state. >I'll get a bearing on it today with the 10' loop. > >If Scott and I disappear then you'll know we've figured it out:-) > >Steve / VE7SL > >Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm >[L.F. Loops] [Tuna Tin DX] [H.F. Maritime DX] [Crystal Radio DXing] >[2200m Band] * NEW [CQ Crossband - 2200m To HF] [NDB DX] [Boatanchors] > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 27 May 2005 17:46:44 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dbhys-0007aW-3a for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:46:44 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore14.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dbhyr-0007aF-V0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:46:42 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dbhya-00070G-18 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:46:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbhyZ-000707-CC for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:46:23 +0100 Received: from joseph.ncoldns.com ([208.181.178.5] helo=generation.lgisp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DbhyV-00030N-02 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 17:46:23 +0100 Received: from p1i5f0 (unknown [204.244.17.96]) by generation.lgisp.net (Postfix) with SMTP id 4730BB9257; Fri, 27 May 2005 09:44:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000c01c562db$c5ba2dc0$6011f4cc@p1i5f0> From: "Steve McDonald" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@lwca.org References: Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 09:47:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: LF: Re: FLASH: new west coast signal in 2200m band Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) The signal D/F's about 355 / 175....just slightly west of due south from Mayne Island. This puts it smack on the Bremerton /Bangor Washington Naval/submarine base. I had thought it might be from Jim Creek, Washington but that is another 40 degrees to the west. Maybe someone in Washington knows if there are LF antennas at Bangor/Bremerton? It does tie in nicely with the exercise this week which certainly would involve submarine activity. There is nothing much to the north of here except for trees and water. Steve / VE7SL Web: "THE VE7SL RADIO NOTEBOOK" at http://www.imagenisp.ca/jsm [L.F. Loops] [Tuna Tin DX] [H.F. Maritime DX] [Crystal Radio DXing] [2200m Band] * NEW [CQ Crossband - 2200m To HF] [NDB DX] [Boatanchors] From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 27 May 2005 20:05:59 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dbk9e-0001FW-4L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 20:05:59 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dbk9d-0001FK-V4 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 20:05:58 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dbk91-0007B6-VW for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 20:05:19 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dbk91-0007Ax-K0 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 20:05:19 +0100 Received: from rwcrmhc13.comcast.net ([204.127.198.39]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dbk8y-0001CV-Pi for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 20:05:21 +0100 Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc15.attbi.com[204.127.197.125]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc13) with SMTP id <2005052719050101500c414re>; Fri, 27 May 2005 19:05:06 +0000 Received: from [24.63.207.117] by 204.127.197.111; Fri, 27 May 2005 19:05:00 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb lf reflector , Frederick Raab , LWCA LF Reflector Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:05:00 +0000 Message-Id: <052720051905.16362.42976F5C0003FF7300003FEA22058861720B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Subject: LF: Covert Underwater Communications X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Just found this on the web, the Navy funded a research project for " very low frequency (VLF) covert acoustic communications". I know that this is for acoustic, not rf waves, but the project description reads like the proposed experimental program for my Part 5 experimental license! 73 Warren http://www.nttc.edu/resources/funding/awards/dod/dod971sel/absnavy.asp DELPHI COMMUNICATION SYSTEMS 30 North Avenue Burlington, MA 01803 Phone: PI: Topic#: (617) 221-2200 Dr. John G. Proakis NAVY 97-087 Title: Covert Underwater Communications Abstract: The objective of this project is to develop adaptive channel characterization algorithms for very low frequency (VLF) covert acoustic communications between submarines and other platforms. Technical issues that are addressed are channel propagation conditions in the VLF band and channel characterization; the impact of submarine motion on the signals transmitted in this band; and determination of optimal propagation conditions. On the signal and system level, consideration is given to determining a suitable covert signaling strategy; determination and implementation of adaptive signal processing methods for use at the receiver, including system initialization and tracking aspects. -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 27 May 2005 21:38:36 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DblbI-00039v-L9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 21:38:36 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DblbI-00039o-Gr for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 21:38:36 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dblao-0007Im-TB for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 21:38:06 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dblao-0007Id-Gv for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 21:38:06 +0100 Received: from hugo.fen-net.de ([212.204.115.10] ident=root) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dblaq-00033Z-FQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 21:38:11 +0100 Received: from PCVONWALTER (dialin-nbg-179.fen-net.de [212.204.117.59]) by hugo.fen-net.de (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j4RKZ8vO002284 for ; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:35:09 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: <000901c562fc$ade87320$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> From: "Walter Staubach" To: "RSGB LF" Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 22:43:02 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV version 0.83, clamav-milter version 0.83 on helene.f3n.de X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
The beacon on 440,044KHz is now transmitting with 3W ERP in QRSS3 to8:00UTC tomorrow morning.
73   Walter DJ2LF
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 27 May 2005 22:56:00 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbmoB-0006FP-KQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:56:00 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbmoB-0006FD-HG for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:55:59 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dbmna-0007Qw-G3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:55:22 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dbmna-0007Qn-2P for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:55:22 +0100 Received: from mailout09.sul.t-online.com ([194.25.134.84]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DbmnX-0007h0-49 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 27 May 2005 22:55:21 +0100 Received: from fwd17.aul.t-online.de by mailout09.sul.t-online.com with smtp id 1DbmnW-0000tT-00; Fri, 27 May 2005 23:55:18 +0200 Received: from ceres.t-online.de (r3FbYeZTweQs9HiruILwOpG6FSCUNibDudZRevUgDy61Dj9UH5JXw+@[84.190.254.221]) by fwd17.sul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1DbmnI-15YFuK0; Fri, 27 May 2005 23:55:04 +0200 Message-Id: <5.1.1.6.0.20050527235147.023f68e0@gnadig@pop.t-online.de> X-Sender: gnadig@gnadig@pop.t-online.de X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1.1 Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 23:54:53 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Arno Gnaedig In-Reply-To: <000901c562fc$ade87320$fe79a8c0@PCVONWALTER> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-ID: r3FbYeZTweQs9HiruILwOpG6FSCUNibDudZRevUgDy61Dj9UH5JXw+ X-TOI-MSGID: 37db4b35-8b8a-4916-9c81-bfbbbc77f5f8 Subject: Re: LF: DI2AG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit At 22:43 27.05.2005 +0200, you wrote: >The beacon on 440,044KHz is now transmitting with 3W ERP in QRSS3 to8:00UTC tomorrow morning. >73 Walter DJ2LF > Hi Walter, the beacon is 10dB over local QRM. Nice signal in Berlin - JO62RJ 73 Arno DL7WC From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 28 May 2005 08:50:33 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dbw5Y-00009f-Ux for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 28 May 2005 08:50:33 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dbw5Y-00009Y-Ql for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 28 May 2005 08:50:32 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dbw4u-0007xo-My for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 08:49:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dbw4u-0007xf-CV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 08:49:52 +0100 Received: from smtpout18.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.18] helo=mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dbw56-0002NC-62 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 08:50:07 +0100 Received: from aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050528074944.IPPP20297.mta10-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 08:49:44 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050528074943.DCQA2626.aamta03-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 08:49:43 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 08:43:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <42982F3F.14021.85E628@localhost> In-reply-to: <367832978@web.de> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body Subject: Re: LF: off topics: Inverter 12V/-12V wanted from DK 8 ND Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) > for a cw-shaping circuit with an op-amp (second order key-klick filter > by Jim Moritz) I need an inverter for the negative supply of the > op-amp. > the circuit will draw only a few mA at voltages of -5...-12V, > DK 8 ND > Keep it simple - use a 9V dry battery! Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 28 May 2005 09:37:03 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbwoY-00034u-LZ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 28 May 2005 09:37:03 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore09.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DbwoY-00034Y-DY for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 28 May 2005 09:37:02 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DbwoJ-0008CH-NM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 09:36:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DbwoJ-0008C8-3v for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 09:36:47 +0100 Received: from amsfep17-int.chello.nl ([213.46.243.15]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DbwoV-0002Pv-4j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 09:37:02 +0100 Received: from MARLEEN ([212.83.92.36]) by amsfep17-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050528083636.QBZP19194.amsfep17-int.chello.nl@MARLEEN> for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 10:36:36 +0200 Message-ID: <000e01c56360$5dc46750$245c53d4@MARLEEN> From: "PA0WFO" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 10:36:38 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Subject: LF: Fw: Re: Modification of the blower circuit and VFO drive and protection for drive failure of the ROPEX LF TRANSMITTER Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
To the members of the LF group ,
 
As suggested by Mal G3KEV it is wise to fit a protection circuit in the modified  ROPEX which prevents keying the transmitter   in case of no drive caused by a disconnected VFO or a wrong position of the VFO-Xtal drive switch . Normally it is difficult to modify a existing PCB so I made a small add on in the corner of the PCB next to the oscillator HCT4060 .
You need the following parts : one small pnp transistor type 2N2907 or equivalent , one diode type 1N4148 or equivalent ,one ceramic capacitor miniature 150pf 63 Volts and a small multi terminal tie point strip . Proceed as follows , fasten the tie pointstrip with the screw in the corner of the PCB next to the HCT4060 ,disconnect the red wire from the soldering lug marked key on the PCB and connect it to a lug on the tiestrip , solder the transistor with the emitter to the lug marked key on the PCB  and  the collector to  where the red wire is connected to the tiestrip , solder the base to a free point on the strip and also solder the diode between the base and the emitter ( anode to base , cathode to emitter ) , after that connect the capacitor between the base and the hot side of R6 ( 1K ) next to pin 8 of the 4060 . Thats all .
How it works : From R6 comes a 274 Khz pulse train if there is drive . This pulse is fed to the base of the transistor and rectified by the diode , the negative voltage developed over the diode with respect to the emitter turns the transistor on and the transmitter can be keyed if there is drive .
Beware ! This circuit does protect against absence of drive but not against drive of a wrong frequency or wrong level . You first have to check your VFO level(300-500 millivolts at abt.  6.5 Mhz ) before operating this circuit .
 
73,William PAØWFO
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: PA0WFO
Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 2:28 PM
Subject: Fw: Re: Modification of the blower circuit and VFO drive for the ROPEX LF TRANSMITTER

To Mal and  members of the LF group
 
Tnx for your warning about the protection of the finals Mal  . In my case the 1010,s did not explode without proper drive but only made a lot of noise in the receiver while practically not taking any input current . But that propably will not be so in all cases . So just to be sure I will make a protection circuit which prevents the keying ( or uses the protection circuit ) of the transmitter . In my transmitter the 1010,s are originally fitted and as far as I can  check all the late versions of the Ropex have them fitted . Because the firm who was selling the transmitters ( maybe also producing them ) went out of business recently a lot of these sets ( 25 ) were sold for very low prices ( less then 30 Euro,s ) . I hope to work the buyers with manual CW in the near future .
73 to all of you
William PAØWFO
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 5:39 PM
Subject: LF: Re: Modification of the blower circuit and VFO drive for the ROPEX LF TRANSMITTER
 
William you forgot to say,  the PA explodes without drive !!!!!!!!!!!!!! not just TAKES OFF
The pa fets in my model are IRF1010N, maybe they have already been changed before !!
A protective cct is necessary so that the the TX cannot come on except there is already drive. I have such a cct on my home built TX as a precautionary measure.
Ropex modification operators beware because if the switch got moved accidentally from the Xtal position and there was no drive via an ext VFO you will end up with a heap of ashes!!
 
Beware de MAL/G3KEV
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 28 May 2005 15:09:24 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dc20B-0002We-V2 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 28 May 2005 15:09:24 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dc20B-0002WO-Qh for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 28 May 2005 15:09:23 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dc1zE-00006L-9i for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 15:08:24 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dc1zD-00006C-0s for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 15:08:23 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net ([165.212.64.31]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dc1zA-0000e0-3K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 15:08:22 +0100 Received: from cmsout01.mbox.net (cmsout01.mbox.net [165.212.64.31]) by cmsout01.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B56AD7818E for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 14:08:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg131.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.131] by cmsout01.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Sat, 28 May 2005 14:08:12 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.131 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg131.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID530Jeboim9558X01 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.46.49.110] by uadvg131.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 850Jeboik0500M31; Sat, 28 May 2005 14:08:10 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.46.49.110 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <42987B4D.7080708@usa.net> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:08:13 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: Z-USANET-MsgId: XID850JeboiL0500X31 Subject: LF: Racal RA1792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello group, I have been offered a Racal RA1792 Rx, price requested abt. 700 Euro. I know very little about this receiver, so I am asking your opinions about it. Also I don't know if what has been asked is a fair price. The radio seems in good conditions, and from a quick test it seems to be working. Caveats, suggestions, advices, are all welcome, thanks. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:47:03 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dc3Wh-00049E-El for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 28 May 2005 16:47:03 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dc3Wh-000495-A5 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 28 May 2005 16:47:03 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dc3W1-0000Fp-JD for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 16:46:21 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dc3W1-0000Fe-5L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 16:46:21 +0100 Received: from smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.201]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dc3Vy-0000sy-Bd for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 16:46:21 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Dell5150) (davepick@btinternet.com@217.43.207.120 with login) by smtp811.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 28 May 2005 15:46:12 -0000 From: "Dave Pick" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 16:46:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 Thread-Index: AcVjnGp1m3nOBmSQRce0frDAQ9kq4Q== Message-Id: Subject: LF: RE: RA1792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Alberto I don't know about the price but I wasn't too impressed with the receiver when I used Graham's (G3XTZ) on 136 at the HF convention. Sensitivity and stability aren't a problem (they have a nice TCO oscillator) but the filter leak-past was very poor. High pitched heterodynes could be heard from well outside the filter passband when wearing headphones. This alone put me off, amateur sets costing much less are much better in this aspect. I couldn't really get used to the variable-rate tuning either. Check the condition of the keypads and especially the LCD display panels. These decay and become hard to read, they are becoming difficult to find and are therefore expensive! There's a review here http://www.recelectronics.demon.co.uk/ra1792.htm 73 Dave G3YXM. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org] On Behalf Of Alberto di Bene Sent: 28 May 2005 15:08 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Racal RA1792 Hello group, I have been offered a Racal RA1792 Rx, price requested abt. 700 Euro. I know very little about this receiver, so I am asking your opinions about it. Also I don't know if what has been asked is a fair price. The radio seems in good conditions, and from a quick test it seems to be working. Caveats, suggestions, advices, are all welcome, thanks. 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 28 May 2005 17:24:02 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dc46T-0005U4-LH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 28 May 2005 17:24:02 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dc46T-0005RF-HH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 28 May 2005 17:24:01 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dc468-0000RY-5P for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 17:23:40 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dc467-0000RP-OV for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 17:23:39 +0100 Received: from smtp2.wanadoo.co.uk ([193.252.22.157] helo=smtp2.freeserve.com) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dc46X-0003LY-KB for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 17:24:09 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (mx1.fitmommies.com [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3107.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 932644800083 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 18:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wwinf3103 (wwinf3103 [172.22.158.30]) by mwinf3107.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 8817E4800082 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 18:23:29 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20050528162329557.8817E4800082@mwinf3107.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <23576722.1117297409547.JavaMail.www@wwinf3103> From: Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC To: RSGB Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [86.131.67.112] Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 18:23:29 +0200 (CEST) Subject: LF: Racal RA1792 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Hi Alberto.

I agree with Dave in general, but I find the 1792 very useful for QRSS etc it is very stable and the  Digital frequency selection and variable BFO offset are very useful. The price you quote is quite reasonable, the going rate here a year ago was £500. earlier even £1000. I use mine all the time, so far the display is fine.

73 Laurie.   



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This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more here From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:56:43 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dc6UF-0001Hd-Go for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 28 May 2005 19:56:43 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dc6UF-0001HT-BN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 28 May 2005 19:56:43 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dc6Tg-0000en-LV for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 19:56:08 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dc6Tg-0000ee-4d for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 19:56:08 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dc6Tc-0001TX-Ur for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 19:56:07 +0100 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4SIn0RC018664 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 14:49:00 -0400 Received: from server (dial135-ripley2.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.149.135]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id j4SItga2012644 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 14:55:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001001c563af$455433e0$87952ed8@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> <002f01c55d97$09df4840$8c802ed8@server> <000901c55d99$bb7d7cf0$0700a8c0@Laptop> <005201c55e00$e1f57ce0$8c802ed8@server> <001901c55e4e$6ceda1e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 19:00:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: Loop success!! (at last) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hello LFers, A combination of time off and good weather finally let me try out the series tuned into a transformer hookup on my loop. After trying out several ratios, I found that 4:1 seemed to produce the best signal at the receiver. That was achieved with 20 turns on the feedline side and 5 turns on the loop side, wound on a toroid from a computer power supply. Using my portable LF receiver tuned to the loop's frequency and sitting closeby, I noted no drop in the signal strength when I connected up the feedline using the transformer approach. I can tune up or down from the loops tuning setting about 25 kHz. before the signals drop off a bit, so I'm thinking the Q of the loop isn't getting spoiled like it had been by the shielded pickup, which I've left in place but disconnected. On another note, I connected a decade resistor box to the shielded pickup loop pigtail and found that I could go down to around 4700 ohms before I noticed that it started to load down the main loop. I'm going to try hooking a HI-Z input preamp to the pickup loop and see how that compares to the transformer hookup. I placed the parts order today for the preamp shown on page 19 of the Low Frequency Experimenter's Handbook. I want to thank all of you who have helped me through the problem with my big loop, especially to John, W1TAG, and Jim, M0BMU, who had suggested using the series tuned transformer feed method. 73, J.B. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 28 May 2005 21:37:49 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dc845-0002Dc-41 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 28 May 2005 21:37:49 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dc845-0002D5-0H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 28 May 2005 21:37:49 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dc83X-0000mu-Ff for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 21:37:15 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dc83X-0000ml-4L for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 21:37:15 +0100 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net ([165.212.64.33]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dc83v-0002rR-4S for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 28 May 2005 21:37:42 +0100 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net (cmsout03.mbox.net [165.212.64.33]) by cmsout03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC9D578 for ; Sat, 28 May 2005 20:37:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ca28 [165.212.11.128] by cmsout03.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Sat, 28 May 2005 20:37:05 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.128 IN dibene@usa.net ca28 X-USANET-MsgId: XID681JebulF7764X03 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.46.49.110] by ca28 (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 900JebulB0143M28; Sat, 28 May 2005 20:37:02 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.46.49.110 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <4298D673.7020308@usa.net> Date: Sat, 28 May 2005 22:37:07 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: In-Reply-To: Z-USANET-MsgId: XID900Jebulc0143X28 Subject: LF: RE: RA1792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dave, Laurie and Tracey, thanks indeed for your considerations about the RA1792. I had thought it were indeed a "premium receiver", as owning it qualifies you for membership in the premium-receivers discussion group... but apparently its performance is less than stellar... this fact and the potential problems it can have, probably will make me saying "no thanks" to that offer. TNX 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 29 May 2005 01:20:05 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DcBXB-0008Sz-96 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:20:05 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DcBXB-0008Ss-5z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:20:05 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DcBWW-00012X-Mi for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:19:24 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DcBWW-00012O-74 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:19:24 +0100 Received: from smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.199]) by relay2.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DcBX6-0003U7-R8 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 01:20:04 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO Main) (Alan.Melia@213.122.26.173 with login) by smtp809.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2005 00:19:14 -0000 Message-ID: <004701c563e3$ed8e9e40$6507a8c0@Main> From: "Alan Melia" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> <002f01c55d97$09df4840$8c802ed8@server> <000901c55d99$bb7d7cf0$0700a8c0@Laptop> <005201c55e00$e1f57ce0$8c802ed8@server> <001901c55e4e$6ceda1e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001001c563af$455433e0$87952ed8@server> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 01:05:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Subject: LF: Re: Loop success!! (at last) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi JB, congrats on sorting the loop....it is worth the effort ...LF may stand for Low Frequency but it also stands for Lotsa Frustration, Learning Fast, ( even Lovely Folk) and above all Lotsa Fun.....enjoy Cheers de Alan G3NYK ----- Original Message ----- From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: Sent: 28 May 2005 19:00 Subject: LF: Loop success!! (at last) > Hello LFers, > > A combination of time off and good weather finally let me try out the > series tuned into a transformer hookup on my loop. After trying out From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:02:56 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DcMVM-0006D3-5y for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:02:56 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DcMVM-0006CR-2z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:02:56 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DcMUb-0003Er-LF for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:02:09 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DcMUb-0003Ei-3j for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:02:09 +0100 Received: from smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca ([216.46.129.246]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DcMUY-0003eO-6N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:02:09 +0100 Received: from mail.hurontel.on.ca (mail.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.129.11]) by smtp-out1.hurontel.on.ca (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id j4TBstWl025531 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 07:54:55 -0400 Received: from server (dial-14.hurontel.on.ca [216.46.128.14]) by mail.hurontel.on.ca (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.10) with SMTP id j4TC1dHr025069 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 08:01:40 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <005101c5643e$92b65520$87952ed8@server> From: "J. B. Weazle McCreath" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <000c01c55a6e$8d82f740$37d0fc3e@l8p8y6> <000d01c55b45$acb45e60$ac068351@w4o8m9> <002f01c55d97$09df4840$8c802ed8@server> <000901c55d99$bb7d7cf0$0700a8c0@Laptop> <005201c55e00$e1f57ce0$8c802ed8@server> <001901c55e4e$6ceda1e0$0500a8c0@charter.net> <001001c563af$455433e0$87952ed8@server> <004701c563e3$ed8e9e40$6507a8c0@Main> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 12:06:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2720.3000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Subject: LF: LF definitions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alan Melia" To: Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 1:05 AM Subject: LF: Re: Loop success!! (at last) > Hi JB, congrats on sorting the loop....it is worth the effort ...LF may > stand for Low Frequency but it also stands for Lotsa Frustration, Learning > Fast, ( even Lovely Folk) and above all Lotsa Fun.....enjoy > > Cheers de Alan G3NYK > Hello Alan, LFers, Thanks for your congrats...I had a good chuckle over the alternates for what LF stands for. By the way, I feel a particular kinship to you "G" stations, as my wife Michelle is from Cardiff, Wales. Tnx & 73, J.B. From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:24:17 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DcMpz-0002AY-AW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:24:16 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore16.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DcMpz-00029o-6O for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:24:15 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DcMpm-0003Jb-0J for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:24:02 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DcMpl-0003JS-DH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:24:01 +0100 Received: from smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com ([217.12.12.202]) by relay3.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DcMpi-0003lj-L2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:24:01 +0100 Received: from unknown (HELO w4o8m9) (james.moritz@btopenworld.com@81.131.172.236 with login) by smtp812.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; 29 May 2005 12:23:52 -0000 Message-ID: <002301c56449$31f11300$ecac8351@w4o8m9> From: "James Moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4298D673.7020308@usa.net> Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:23:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 Subject: LF: Re: RE: RA1792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Dear Alberto, LF Group, While I would agree with most of the comments made about the RA1792, I have to say I have been using it for nearly 5 years now, and have done all my "best" LF reception with it, and have also found it good for MF and HF reception. The problems that have been described are annoying, but none of them actually prevent you receiving signals! I wouldn't really reccomend the RA1792 for the dedicated CW operator, because the controls and display are particularly "user-unfriendly" when you are tuning around for signals. There is some leakage past the filters, but this is easily eliminated with a simple audio filter for aural reception, and is outside the passband when receiving QRSS, etc. The LCD displays are "first generation" and have rather poor contrast and viewing angle, but mine have not apparently deteriorated even after several years continuous running.. Some later examples have backlit displays, which are better. It does have pretty good RF performance at HF and LF, and is usable down to about 10kHz. At 136kHz and 300Hz bandwidth, a 0.1uV signal gives you about 12dB SNR. The synthesiser uses an OCXO standard that maintains a few parts in 10^8 over an extended period, so frequency errors are rarely significant. It has no preselector at all, which does not matter for LF, since you normally have to provide one anyway. It has features like IF output and reference frequency input/output that you don't usually get on amateur-type equipment, and are useful for the experimentally minded, as is the fact that all the components are full-sized through-hole types, so poking around inside and modifying it is easy. These receivers are now about 15 - 25 years old, so being realistic you will have to repair them from time to time. Having said that, the only thing I have had to do to mine is re-align the BFO VCO. I see that Telford Electronics are selling these RXs for 500 GBP + VAT, or 650 GBP for the backlit LCD model. Cheers, Jim Moritz 73 de M0BMU ----- Original Message ----- From: Alberto di Bene To: Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 9:37 PM Subject: LF: RE: RA1792 > Dave, Laurie and Tracey, > > thanks indeed for your considerations about the RA1792. I had thought > it were indeed a "premium receiver", as owning it qualifies you for > membership in the premium-receivers discussion group... but apparently > its performance is less than stellar... this fact and the potential > problems it can have, probably will make me saying "no thanks" to that > offer. > > TNX > 73 Alberto I2PHD > > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:38:32 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DcN3n-0007tL-Vj for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:38:32 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DcN3n-0007tB-SK for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:38:31 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DcN3c-0003OF-Md for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:38:20 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DcN3c-0003O6-6n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:38:20 +0100 Received: from smtpout17.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.17] helo=mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DcN3Z-0003q4-Eq for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:38:20 +0100 Received: from aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com ([212.250.162.8]) by mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050529123807.TCNQ9046.mta09-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com> for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:38:07 +0100 Received: from mikedennison ([80.4.116.83]) by aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20050529123807.SISE10462.aamta02-winn.mailhost.ntl.com@mikedennison> for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 13:38:07 +0100 From: "Mike Dennison" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 13:37:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <4299C5B7.9082.2C7BB3@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (4.21c) Content-description: Mail message body Subject: LF: Off topic - G4ENA Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) I am looking for an e-mail or web site for Peter Asquith, G4ENA. Does anyone on this group know it? Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 29 May 2005 20:04:31 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DcT5K-0003vH-ST for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 29 May 2005 20:04:31 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DcT5K-0003vA-Ni for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 29 May 2005 20:04:30 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DcT4E-0003hH-GK for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 20:03:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DcT4D-0003h8-Ir for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 20:03:21 +0100 Received: from rs2.bips.noicomnet.it ([194.153.208.22]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DcT5B-0003kK-UQ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 20:04:25 +0100 Received: from rs2.bips.noicomnet.it (rs2.bips.noicomnet.it [194.153.208.22]) by rs2.bips.noicomnet.it (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id j4TJ39w16846 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 21:03:09 +0200 Received: from ideq200s.spin-it.com (net-205-204.noicomnet.it [194.153.205.204]) by rs2.bips.noicomnet.it (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id j4TJ39b16839 for ; Sun, 29 May 2005 21:03:09 +0200 Message-Id: <6.1.0.6.2.20050529205736.02814360@mbox.spin-it.com> X-Sender: IK1ODO@mbox.spin-it.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.1.0.6 Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 21:02:58 +0200 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org From: Marco Bruno In-Reply-To: <002301c56449$31f11300$ecac8351@w4o8m9> References: <4298D673.7020308@usa.net> <002301c56449$31f11300$ecac8351@w4o8m9> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: RA1792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit At 14.23 29/05/2005, Jim wrote: >Dear Alberto, LF Group, >.... > >These receivers are now about 15 - 25 years old, so being realistic you will >have to repair them from time to time. Having said that, the only thing I >have had to do to mine is re-align the BFO VCO. I see that Telford >Electronics are selling these RXs for 500 GBP + VAT, or 650 GBP for the >backlit LCD model. > >Cheers, Jim Moritz >73 de M0BMU I would add: quite easy to maintain, no custom ICs, only a few outdated parts but still available on the market. The synthesizer is remarkably performant, and the 3rd order IMD is in the 102-103 dB range. Having a synthesized BFO has always been a very useful feature for me. I use one rebuilt from scrapped parts, after having sold several tens of them in Italy. Mine breaks down occasionally ... always repaired in a couple of hours. The defects are there, but not a great annoyance, at least for me. 73 de Marco IK1ODO From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 29 May 2005 20:37:12 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DcTax-0007au-SQ for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 29 May 2005 20:37:12 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DcTax-0007aQ-Ot for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 29 May 2005 20:37:11 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DcTae-0003mq-La for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 20:36:52 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DcTae-0003mh-AM for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 20:36:52 +0100 Received: from mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com ([212.74.114.40]) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DcTbO-0001St-S9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 20:37:41 +0100 Received: from [212.139.58.151] (port=1541 helo=tcs01) by mk-smarthost-4.mail.uk.tiscali.com with smtp (Exim 4.30) id 1DcTaX-0003xE-Qr for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 29 May 2005 20:36:45 +0100 From: "Gary - G4WGT" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 29 May 2005 20:35:46 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 In-Reply-To: <4299C5B7.9082.2C7BB3@localhost> Importance: Normal Subject: LF: RE: Off topic - G4ENA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Hi Mike, His postal address is in the PW callsign CD directory 2005. I can send the address if that is useful to you. Regards, Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp Web : http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor -----Original Message----- From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Mike Dennison Sent: 29 May 2005 13:38 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Subject: LF: Off topic - G4ENA I am looking for an e-mail or web site for Peter Asquith, G4ENA. Does anyone on this group know it? Mike, G3XDV ========== From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 30 May 2005 15:11:39 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DckzS-00042i-Tq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 30 May 2005 15:11:39 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore12.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DckzS-00042Y-Q0 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 30 May 2005 15:11:38 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dckyb-0004xv-N3 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 15:10:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dckya-0004xm-JN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 15:10:44 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dckzw-00046a-9w for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 30 May 2005 15:12:12 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (cmsout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.32]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C0CA4C8EC for ; Mon, 30 May 2005 14:10:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from uadvg131.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.131] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Mon, 30 May 2005 14:10:33 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.131 IN dibene@usa.net uadvg131.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID468Jedokh3538X02 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.46.38.177] by uadvg131.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 591Jedokf0327M31; Mon, 30 May 2005 14:10:31 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.46.38.177 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <429B1EE1.1070605@usa.net> Date: Mon, 30 May 2005 16:10:41 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4298D673.7020308@usa.net> <002301c56449$31f11300$ecac8351@w4o8m9> <6.1.0.6.2.20050529205736.02814360@mbox.spin-it.com> In-Reply-To: <6.1.0.6.2.20050529205736.02814360@mbox.spin-it.com> Z-USANET-MsgId: XID591JedokG0327X31 Subject: LF: RE: RA1792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Marco Bruno wrote: > I would add: quite easy to maintain, no custom ICs, only a few > outdated parts > but still available on the market. The synthesizer is remarkably > performant, and > the 3rd order IMD is in the 102-103 dB range. > [...] Marco, Jim, Tracey, Laurie, Alan and Dave (am I forgetting somebody?) thanks for your opinions about that Rx. The latest messages seems to correct somehow the not so bright impression that initially had formed in my mind, so I will have to reconsider my decision. Next week I will have (probably) the chance to examine more carefully that radio. Apart from checking the LCDs and the keypad for deterioration, what else would you suggest me to check? Which are the IF filters that I must expect it to have installed ? Any other weak points to watch ? And now the one-million-dollar question... given that my intended usage for that radio would be mainly the reception of digital (or pseudo-digital) signals across the various bands, from LF to 30 MHz, if you had to choose between the RA1792 and the Icom R75 (for 2/3 of the price), which one would be your choice ? I am not interested in reception of broadcast stations or CW/SSB signals (for this I have a JRC NRD-525), but, as said, narrow band (from a few Hz to 3 kHz) digital signals only. Thanks again guys, 73 Alberto I2PHD From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 31 May 2005 10:05:45 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dd2gy-0006ye-QN for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 31 May 2005 10:05:45 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dd2gy-0006yL-Lq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 31 May 2005 10:05:44 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dd2fo-0006NX-Gp for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 10:04:32 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dd2fo-0006NO-2n for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 10:04:32 +0100 Received: from smtp1.wanadoo.co.uk ([193.252.22.158] helo=smtp1.freeserve.com) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dd2h7-0004Nd-BA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 10:05:57 +0100 Received: from me-wanadoo.net (mail.local.net [127.0.0.1]) by mwinf3009.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 68D701C00083 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 11:04:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from wwinf3002 (wwinf3002 [172.22.159.29]) by mwinf3009.me.freeserve.com (SMTP Server) with ESMTP id 63D521C00082 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 11:04:22 +0200 (CEST) X-ME-UUID: 20050531090422409.63D521C00082@mwinf3009.me.freeserve.com Message-ID: <30128831.1117530262391.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> From: Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Originating-IP: [86.131.65.76] Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:04:22 +0200 (CEST) Subject: Re: LF: RE: RA1792 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit




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Message date : May 30 2005, 03:11 PM
From : "Alberto di Bene"
To : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Copy to :
Subject : LF: RE: RA1792
Marco Bruno wrote:

> I would add: quite easy to maintain, no custom ICs, only a few
> outdated parts
> but still available on the market. The synthesizer is remarkably
> performant, and
> the 3rd order IMD is in the 102-103 dB range.
> [...]

Marco, Jim, Tracey, Laurie, Alan and Dave (am I forgetting somebody?)

thanks for your opinions about that Rx. The latest messages seems to
correct somehow the not so bright impression that initially had formed
in my mind, so I will have to reconsider my decision. Next week I will
have (probably) the chance to examine more carefully that radio. Apart
from checking the LCDs and the keypad for deterioration, what else would
you suggest me to check? Which are the IF filters that I must expect it
to have installed ? Any other weak points to watch ?

And now the one-million-dollar question... given that my intended usage
for that radio would be mainly the reception of digital (or
pseudo-digital) signals across the various bands, from LF to 30 MHz, if
you had to choose between the RA1792 and the Icom R75 (for 2/3 of the
price), which one would be your choice ? I am not interested in
reception of broadcast stations or CW/SSB signals (for this I have a JRC
NRD-525), but, as said, narrow band (from a few Hz to 3 kHz) digital
signals only.

Thanks again guys,

73 Alberto I2PHD

There is no doubt that I would chose the RA1792, I  Have done all my digital work with it and would miss it greatly, and at that price ! go for it.

Laurie.



Whatever you Wanadoo

This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more here From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 31 May 2005 12:28:19 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dd4uw-00012G-Db for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 31 May 2005 12:28:19 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dd4uw-000128-7z for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 31 May 2005 12:28:18 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dd4uR-0006aS-DM for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 12:27:47 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.32] (helo=relay1.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dd4uQ-0006aJ-TN for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 12:27:46 +0100 Received: from olympus.pncl.co.uk ([195.224.180.233] helo=mailhost-av.pncl.co.uk) by relay1.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dd4vl-0004cf-MS for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 12:29:14 +0100 Received: from AUG2004 (81-6-226-159.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk [81.6.226.159]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailhost-av.pncl.co.uk (8.12.11/8.12.11) with ESMTP id j4VApEtN023248 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 11:51:15 +0100 Message-ID: <000901c565ce$aa66f670$2101a8c0@AUG2004> From: "Walter Blanchard" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <30128831.1117530262391.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 11:51:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2527 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 X-Pinnacle-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-Pinnacle-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: blanch@pncl.co.uk Subject: LF: RA1792 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
The performance of a modern rx with a good infinitely-variable DSP filter at very narrow bandwidths is better than older rxs because they don't ring at the edges as xtal-based filters do.  I had an Icom 756 PRO3 that was very good in this respect and now an Icom 7800 that is really excellent - at 10 Hz bandwidth it still works - no xtal filter will do that. A good test if you haven't got a good SG is to tune to Loran then look at the i.f. on a scope and see where the pulse tails go to. 
 
Walter G3JKV.
 
---- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: RA1792

========================================
Message date : May 30 2005, 03:11 PM
From : "Alberto di Bene"
To : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Copy to :
Subject : LF: RE: RA1792
Marco Bruno wrote:

> I would add: quite easy to maintain, no custom ICs, only a few
> outdated parts
> but still available on the market. The synthesizer is remarkably
> performant, and
> the 3rd order IMD is in the 102-103 dB range.
> [...]

Marco, Jim, Tracey, Laurie, Alan and Dave (am I forgetting somebody?)

thanks for your opinions about that Rx. The latest messages seems to
correct somehow the not so bright impression that initially had formed
in my mind, so I will have to reconsider my decision. Next week I will
have (probably) the chance to examine more carefully that radio. Apart
from checking the LCDs and the keypad for deterioration, what else would
you suggest me to check? Which are the IF filters that I must expect it
to have installed ? Any other weak points to watch ?

And now the one-million-dollar question... given that my intended usage
for that radio would be mainly the reception of digital (or
pseudo-digital) signals across the various bands, from LF to 30 MHz, if
you had to choose between the RA1792 and the Icom R75 (for 2/3 of the
price), which one would be your choice ? I am not interested in
reception of broadcast stations or CW/SSB signals (for this I have a JRC
NRD-525), but, as said, narrow band (from a few Hz to 3 kHz) digital
signals only.

Thanks again guys,

73 Alberto I2PHD

There is no doubt that I would chose the RA1792, I  Have done all my digital work with it and would miss it greatly, and at that price ! go for it.

Laurie.



Whatever you Wanadoo

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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:02:13 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dd6Nn-0000Aw-5I for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:02:12 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dd6Nm-0000Ab-Tw for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:02:11 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dd6N6-0006jQ-HA for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:01:28 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dd6N5-0006jH-M2 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:01:27 +0100 Received: from newbox.tcp.net.uk ([195.80.0.243]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dd6Ot-0004ft-2N for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:03:23 +0100 Received: from standalone ([212.248.140.8]) by newbox.tcp.net.uk (8.12.7/8.12.7) with SMTP id j4VD3VIL020613 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:03:32 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <001c01c565e0$addd0530$088cf8d4@standalone> From: "Andy" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:00:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-TCP-MailScanner-Information: Please visit www.tcp.co.uk for more information X-TCP-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: actalbot@southsurf.com Subject: LF: Re: RA1792 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
I used an RA1792 for all my narrow band LF work, and it was performed admirably.  The PLL synthesizers appear to have good phase noise performance, and they can be used down to 8kHz  - at which point you can just begin to hear the BFO noise.
 
The filter leak around that some have mentioned is noticeable, I measured it at between 45 to 55dB depending on the filter selected.
 
One feature that this Rx does off that I have never seen on any amateur receiver, but have on all professional comms receivers, is wide CW mode reception.    By setting the RA1792 to its 15kHz filter setting, CW mode, then adjusting the BFO to its limit of -8kHz, you can receive a wide swath of spectrum 15kHz wide - which just happens to be the right bandwidth to feed into a soundcard at 44kHz sampling rate.  
 
My model only has 10Hz tuning steps, which was a major limitation initially, but the EVM and Soundcard software all offers the choice of fine tuning now so that is less of a problem.  Other models of the Rx do have 1Hz steps.
 
Being able to lock all the internal sources to a master input of 1, 5 or 10MHz is invaluable
 
Thses days, I don't go on LF much, but I did make a custom LF receiver to try to improve on the RA1792 when using very narrow band modes.  This Rx used a DDS for the LO and directly derived all BFO frequencies from a master input.  (In fact the IF used a 300Hz BW mechanical filter from a defunct RA1792)  The close in phase noise perfomance of this Rx was marginally better than the 1792, and I had proper calibrated gain control (no AGC needed) and higher resolution frequency setting, but was a complicated way to go for a very minor performance improvement.
 
Andy  G4JNT
-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Blanchard <blanch@pncl.co.uk>
To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Date: 2005/05/31 12:33
Subject: LF: RA1792

 
The performance of a modern rx with a good infinitely-variable DSP filter at very narrow bandwidths is better than older rxs because they don't ring at the edges as xtal-based filters do.  I had an Icom 756 PRO3 that was very good in this respect and now an Icom 7800 that is really excellent - at 10 Hz bandwidth it still works - no xtal filter will do that. A good test if you haven't got a good SG is to tune to Loran then look at the i.f. on a scope and see where the pulse tails go to. 
 
Walter G3JKV.
 
---- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2005 10:04 AM
Subject: Re: LF: RE: RA1792

========================================
Message date : May 30 2005, 03:11 PM
From : "Alberto di Bene"
To : rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
Copy to :
Subject : LF: RE: RA1792
Marco Bruno wrote:

> I would add: quite easy to maintain, no custom ICs, only a few
> outdated parts
> but still available on the market. The synthesizer is remarkably
> performant, and
> the 3rd order IMD is in the 102-103 dB range.
> [...]

Marco, Jim, Tracey, Laurie, Alan and Dave (am I forgetting somebody?)

thanks for your opinions about that Rx. The latest messages seems to
correct somehow the not so bright impression that initially had formed
in my mind, so I will have to reconsider my decision. Next week I will
have (probably) the chance to examine more carefully that radio. Apart
from checking the LCDs and the keypad for deterioration, what else would
you suggest me to check? Which are the IF filters that I must expect it
to have installed ? Any other weak points to watch ?

And now the one-million-dollar question... given that my intended usage
for that radio would be mainly the reception of digital (or
pseudo-digital) signals across the various bands, from LF to 30 MHz, if
you had to choose between the RA1792 and the Icom R75 (for 2/3 of the
price), which one would be your choice ? I am not interested in
reception of broadcast stations or CW/SSB signals (for this I have a JRC
NRD-525), but, as said, narrow band (from a few Hz to 3 kHz) digital
signals only.

Thanks again guys,

73 Alberto I2PHD

There is no doubt that I would chose the RA1792, I  Have done all my digital work with it and would miss it greatly, and at that price ! go for it.

Laurie.



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From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:06:40 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dd6S7-0002cY-Iy for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:06:40 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1Dd6S7-0002cQ-Cq for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:06:39 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1Dd6Rq-0006mt-Ji for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:06:22 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1Dd6Rp-0006me-NJ for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:06:21 +0100 Received: from hestia.herts.ac.uk ([147.197.200.9]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1Dd6Te-0004gd-R9 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:08:18 +0100 Received: from altair ([147.197.215.111] helo=altair.herts.ac.uk) by hestia.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1) id 1Dd6R4-0006ZY-00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:05:34 +0100 Received: from [147.197.164.230] (helo=RD40002) by altair.herts.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.42) id 1Dd6R3-0001dB-Io for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 14:05:33 +0100 From: "james moritz" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 14:05:33 +0100 Message-ID: <000001c565e1$6dc98ee0$e6a4c593@RD40002> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <30128831.1117530262391.JavaMail.www@wwinf3002> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2180 X-UH-MailScanner: No Virus detected X-UH-MailScanner-From: j.r.moritz@herts.ac.uk Subject: LF: RE: RA1792 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit

Dear Alberto,

 

Here are some further comparisons (bearing in mind I don’t own a R75!):

 

The RA1792 has flat sensitivity from about 100kHz – 30MHz (about 0.3uV for 12dB SNR in SSB bandwidth), and rolls off about 20dB down to 10kHz, so works quite well for VLF. The R75 only tunes down to 30kHz, but does also cover 30MHz – 60 MHz; I don’t know what the LF sensitivity is like, although I think it is reduced below 1MHz. The R75 has various preamp and attenuator settings, while the RA1792 has fixed front-end gain (although you can link out the RF amplifier). The RA1792 has no preselector, although it seems to cope well on HF.

 

The RA1792 has, as standard, 300Hz, 1kHz, 3kHz, 6kHz and “bypass” 16kHz bandwidths (for some reason, mine has a 150Hz filter instead of the bypass setting), plus dedicated USB and LSB filters. The bandwidths are specified as -3dB rather than -6dB as is normally the case for amateur rigs, so they would be slightly wider in amateur terms. The BFO can be set to +/- 8kHz in 10Hz steps. So, if the RA1792 audio output is to be processed by DSP, it is quite flexible - for example, you could use a 6kHz BW and have audio output from 2 – 8kHz. The R75 has 2.1kHz, 6kHz and 12kHz as standard – I think CW filters are an extra. You can only set the BFO offset between 300 and 900Hz.

 

The skirt selectivity of the R75 should be good, since it has cascaded 9MHz and 455kHz filters. Signals a few kHz off tune are only suppressed by about 60-70dB on my RA1792.

 

The R75 has an RS232 port and there is remote control software available. The RA1792 has a non-standard interface that can be wired for RS232 or RS422 – apparently, there is some software available for download, though I have not tried using it.

 

The RA1792 has 455kHz IF output, reference frequency input/output, audio line out, muting, agc and various other things on the back panel, so it is easier to get at the internal signal paths if you plan to do hardware experimentation.

 

The R75 is quite compact and runs off 12V DC. The RA1792 is in a 19” rack case and requires AC mains, so much less portable!

 

The 0.5ppm TCXO is an extra on the R75, the RA1792 has a 0.1ppm OCXO as standard.

 

The only real complaints I have about the RA1792 are the ergonomics of the controls and display – Even after using it for years, I still find I often press the wrong button and suddenly find it on a completely different frequency and operating mode!

 

Cheers, Jim Moritz

73 de M0BMU

 

 

From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 31 May 2005 19:52:43 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DdBr1-0001xF-4L for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:52:43 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore03.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DdBr0-0001wp-Ob for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:52:42 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DdBqH-0007Av-0l for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:51:57 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DdBqG-0007Am-GH for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:51:56 +0100 Received: from fh1024.dia.cp.net ([64.97.168.34] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DdBsC-0004ph-Fo for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:54:00 +0100 Received: from l8p8y6 (62.252.232.248) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.043) id 4291A94A00312A00 for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 18:51:48 +0000 Message-ID: <000501c565bb$65c49940$f8e8fc3e@l8p8y6> From: "hamilton mal" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4298D673.7020308@usa.net> <002301c56449$31f11300$ecac8351@w4o8m9> <6.1.0.6.2.20050529205736.02814360@mbox.spin-it.com> <429B1EE1.1070605@usa.net> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 09:32:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4807.1700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4807.1700 Subject: LF: Re: RE: RA1792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alberto di Bene" To: Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 3:10 PM Subject: LF: RE: RA1792 > Marco Bruno wrote: > > > I would add: quite easy to maintain, no custom ICs, only a few > > outdated parts > > but still available on the market. The synthesizer is remarkably > > performant, and > > the 3rd order IMD is in the 102-103 dB range. > > [...] > > Marco, Jim, Tracey, Laurie, Alan and Dave (am I forgetting somebody?) > > thanks for your opinions about that Rx. The latest messages seems to > correct somehow the not so bright impression that initially had formed > in my mind, so I will have to reconsider my decision. Next week I will > have (probably) the chance to examine more carefully that radio. Apart > from checking the LCDs and the keypad for deterioration, what else would > you suggest me to check? Which are the IF filters that I must expect it > to have installed ? Any other weak points to watch ? > > And now the one-million-dollar question... given that my intended usage > for that radio would be mainly the reception of digital (or > pseudo-digital) signals across the various bands, from LF to 30 MHz, if > you had to choose between the RA1792 and the Icom R75 (for 2/3 of the > price), which one would be your choice ? I am not interested in > reception of broadcast stations or CW/SSB signals (for this I have a JRC > NRD-525), but, as said, narrow band (from a few Hz to 3 kHz) digital > signals only. > > Thanks again guys, > > 73 Alberto I2PHD Alberto I know you are waiting for my opinion about this RX. I would not buy this old technology with degraded components at the prices that suppliers are asking both in the UK and other parts of EU. The price for such a Rx would be about 300 Euro max and even then its a risk from the maintainence end. The price that dealers in the UK are quoting for this old heap would buy you a nice new dedicated T/RCVR for the amateur bands and more than stable for data modes for use on LF and a quarter the size. Think about it!!!!!! de Mal/G3KEV > > > From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 31 May 2005 20:01:22 +0100 Received: by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DdBzN-00020m-7e for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:01:22 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by ptb-mxcore15.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DdBzN-00020e-50 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:01:21 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DdBz3-0007Fm-R4 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:01:01 +0100 Received: from [82.108.183.144] (helo=relay3.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DdBz3-0007Fd-2x for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:01:01 +0100 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net ([165.212.64.33]) by relay3.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DdByz-0001oF-DY for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:01:00 +0100 Received: from cmsout03.mbox.net (cmsout03.mbox.net [165.212.64.33]) by cmsout03.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0229B for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:00:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps01.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.136] by cmsout03.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Tue, 31 May 2005 19:00:50 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.136 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps01.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID183JeETaY8333X03 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.46.131.145] by cmsapps01.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 644JeETaW0433M36; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:00:49 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.46.131.145 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <429CB46D.1030109@usa.net> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 21:01:01 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <001c01c565e0$addd0530$088cf8d4@standalone> In-Reply-To: <001c01c565e0$addd0530$088cf8d4@standalone> Z-USANET-MsgId: XID644JeETax0433X36 Subject: LF: Re: RA1792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) Andy, Brian, Jim, Laurie, Alan and Walter what else can I say besides Thank You ! You all gave me a lot of material to think about and upon which to make my decision. I like very much the feature of being able to input an external reference at 10 MHz. I completed a few months ago my own GPSDO (one day, when I will defeat my lazyness in writing, I will publish the project, based on the Atmel AT90S8535), so the idea of using it with the Racal is appealing. What rest to be seen are the actual conditions of that unit, which has been described as being in good shape and working, but, of course, being the St. Thomas that I am, I need to see and touch and hear it myself before departing from the money... TNX es 73 Alberto I2PHD ---------------------------- Andy wrote: > I used an RA1792 for all my narrow band LF work, and it was performed > admirably. The PLL synthesizers appear to have good phase noise > performance, and they can be used down to 8kHz - at which point you > can just begin to hear the BFO noise. > [...] From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Tue, 31 May 2005 20:17:07 +0100 Received: by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with spam-scanned (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DdCEc-000204-Do for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:17:06 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore17.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v2.00) id 1DdCEc-0001zw-9V for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:17:06 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DdCEH-0007KK-Km for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:16:45 +0100 Received: from [193.82.59.130] (helo=relay2.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DdCEH-0007KB-1O for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:16:45 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net ([165.212.64.32]) by relay2.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.51) id 1DdCGD-0004r7-Gp for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Tue, 31 May 2005 20:18:49 +0100 Received: from cmsout02.mbox.net (cmsout02.mbox.net [165.212.64.32]) by cmsout02.mbox.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C207A4C8A2 for ; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:16:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cmsapps02.cms.usa.net [165.212.11.138] by cmsout02.mbox.net via smtad (C8.MAIN.3.21U); Tue, 31 May 2005 19:16:33 GMT X-USANET-Source: 165.212.11.138 IN dibene@usa.net cmsapps02.cms.usa.net X-USANET-MsgId: XID519JeETqh4267X02 Received: from [192.168.0.2] [151.46.131.145] by cmsapps02.cms.usa.net (ASMTP/dibene@usa.net) via mtad (C8.MAIN.3.21E) with ESMTP id 449JeETqf0084M38; Tue, 31 May 2005 19:16:31 GMT X-USANET-Auth: 151.46.131.145 AUTH dibene@usa.net [192.168.0.2] Message-ID: <429CB81B.7070604@usa.net> Date: Tue, 31 May 2005 21:16:43 +0200 From: Alberto di Bene User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (Windows/20050317) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org References: <4298D673.7020308@usa.net> <002301c56449$31f11300$ecac8351@w4o8m9> <6.1.0.6.2.20050529205736.02814360@mbox.spin-it.com> <429B1EE1.1070605@usa.net> <000501c565bb$65c49940$f8e8fc3e@l8p8y6> In-Reply-To: <000501c565bb$65c49940$f8e8fc3e@l8p8y6> Z-USANET-MsgId: XID449JeETqG0084X38 Subject: LF: RE: RA1792 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-PN-SpamFiltered: by PlusNet MXCore (v2.00) hamilton mal wrote: >Alberto I know you are waiting for my opinion about this RX. I would not buy >this old technology with degraded components at the prices that suppliers >are asking both in the UK and other parts of EU. >The price for such a Rx would be about 300 Euro max and even then its a risk >from the maintainence end. >The price that dealers in the UK are quoting for this old heap would buy you >a nice new dedicated T/RCVR for the amateur bands and more than stable for >data modes for use on LF and a quarter the size. >Think about it!!!!!! >de Mal/G3KEV > Hello Mal, a voice outside the choir ! It's always interesting to hear opinions dissenting from those of the others, as they can convey new information. So what you are suggesting to me is to negotiate the price down to about one half of what has been requested... I am sure to be able to obtain a price reduction, as, knowing who is the seller, his first word rarely is his last. But 50% discount seems a bit too much... I don't need a transceiver, I have already a Kenwood TS-950SDX which I like a lot. What I am in search of, is a dedicated receiver for my intended useage. 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charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit WD2XDW on 137.400 running 50W output WOLF...for the next few hours starting 0200z CHeers Laurence em26aq From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 16 May 2005 22:31:40 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DXnBc-0008BF-Mf for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Mon, 16 May 2005 22:31:40 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DXnBb-0000sc-VB for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Mon, 16 May 2005 22:31:40 +0100 Received: from [192.168.67.4] (helo=ptb-mxcore04.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DXnBb-0000sZ-T6 for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; 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charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit G3YXM put a news item about John's QRPP WOLF tests on his web page: www.wireless.org.uk -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Mon, 16 May 2005 04:43:47 +0100 Received: from [192.168.71.1] (helo=ptb-spamcore01.plus.net) by ptb-mxcore02.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DXWWB-00041d-5h for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 16 May 2005 04:43:47 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DXWS4-0001Eo-49 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 16 May 2005 04:39:32 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.73] (helo=pih-mxcore07.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DXWS4-0001El-2H for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 16 May 2005 04:39:32 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DXWS3-0001cJ-Qz for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Mon, 16 May 2005 04:39:31 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DXWQq-0001ag-Kv for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 04:38:16 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DXWQq-0001aX-9K for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 04:38:16 +0100 Received: from outbound01.telus.net ([199.185.220.220] helo=priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DXWQo-0007v3-KL for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Mon, 16 May 2005 04:38:16 +0100 Received: from cognizant1 ([64.180.173.28]) by priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.04 201-2131-118-104-20050224) with SMTP id <20050516033800.JUVX1202.priv-edtnes57.telusplanet.net@cognizant1>; Sun, 15 May 2005 21:38:00 -0600 Message-ID: <003001c559c8$d2ba8ea0$0201a8c0@private.network> From: "Scott Tilley" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 20:39:11 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of telus.net designates 199.185.220.220 as permitted sender Subject: LF: CFH on 122.5KHz Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
Has anyone done serious monitoring of CFH on 122.5 and compared it to results of monitoring attempts on CFH at 137KHz?
 
Seems that the station on 122.5 is on the air constantly and would be curious if there is a strong correlation between prop on the two freq?
 
73 Scott
 
Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL'  in CN89lg at:
www.scottboxx.com/radio
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 14 May 2005 23:52:59 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore04.plus.net ([192.168.71.8]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DX5VD-0004XG-9D for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 23:52:59 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DX5VC-0001rC-I9 for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 23:52:59 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.73] (helo=pih-mxcore07.plus.net) by pih-spamcore04.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DX5VC-0001r9-GW for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 23:52:58 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DX5VC-0001Jr-Be for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 23:52:58 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DX5UK-0007BS-Rk for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 23:52:04 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DX5UK-0007BJ-Dg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 23:52:04 +0100 Received: from smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net ([64.202.165.194]) by relay.thorcom.net with smtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DX5UH-0005id-Pg for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sat, 14 May 2005 23:52:04 +0100 Received: (qmail 30977 invoked from network); 14 May 2005 22:51:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (68.116.172.18) by smtpout02-04.prod.mesa1.secureserver.net (64.202.165.194) with ESMTP; 14 May 2005 22:51:51 -0000 Message-ID: <004001c558cf$2aa5a320$0500a8c0@charter.net> From: "John Andrews" To: lowfer@lwca.org Cc: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 22:52:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: 64.202.165.194 is neither permitted nor denied by domain of w1tag.com Subject: LF: XES Wolf 137.441 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) WD2XES will be running in WOLF mode overnight on 137.441 kHz, starting at 2300 UTC, with the usual 200 watts. John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Sat, 14 May 2005 22:14:35 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore08.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DX3xz-0008MZ-8s for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 22:14:35 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DX3xx-00024D-TZ for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 22:14:34 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.71] (helo=pih-mxcore05.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DX3xx-00024A-Ql for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 22:14:33 +0100 Received: from mail3.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.77]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DX3xx-00081o-BL for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Sat, 14 May 2005 22:14:33 +0100 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail3.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j4ELD0QZ018151; Sat, 14 May 2005 21:14:02 GMT Received: (from lwca@localhost) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03418 for lowfer-14416503; Sat, 14 May 2005 17:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from m11.lax.untd.com (m11.lax.untd.com [64.136.30.74]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA03414 for ; Sat, 14 May 2005 17:13:29 -0400 (EDT) From: riese-k3djc@juno.com Received: from m11.lax.untd.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by m11.lax.untd.com with SMTP id AABBJN4PJAK3JGPJ for (sender ); Sat, 14 May 2005 14:12:08 -0700 (PDT) X-UNTD-OriginStamp: yokUgcxCbtTP7XLrpefewIBT37658SqKp4szGtcJmVWv1RGnaRmwPQ== Received: (from riese-k3djc@juno.com) by m11.lax.untd.com (jqueuemail) id KSY7UJDA; Sat, 14 May 2005 14:11:58 PDT To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Cc: lowfer@lwca.org Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 17:10:57 -0400 Subject: [LW] code Vs text Message-ID: <20050514.171057.2724.3.riese-k3djc@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 5.0.13 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 X-ContentStamp: 12:6:1627619980 X-MAIL-INFO: 376dd4b4d454f454d12189d189301990b1d02d4149fd395119b1499985fd31941d5161511d356d6589352154ddddbd30c47429844d84a510a595ade995e9e0a021b9a160e504bd7080a0b90409b0bd0d8144809d80443d29f5e93dada5909031c09159f9ed2154ed21f4894521dd457d30adfd24655da950b1382d619434c4a4016d409d40244589d0412124edc4305d6d9445405d196d951095addd90e02120e1ad6071bd X-UNTD-Peer-Info: 127.0.0.1|localhost|m11.lax.untd.com|riese-k3djc@juno.com Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit
 
For those that missed it or didnt know about it
 

Hi Gang,
 
Here are the clips.
 
73, John Dilks, k2TQN
 
From: "W1EOF" <w1eof@hamnutz.com>
For those that missed the Leno Show last night and would like to see the
Morse code vs text messaging contest:
 
For the best performance, right click on the link that you want and pick
"Save Target As..." and save it to your local hard drive.
 
 
<http://www.ku3o.net/Morse_Competition.wmv>Morse_Competition.wmv (9.7 MB)
 
or
 
 
 
73, Mark W1EOF
 
 
 
From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: g3yxm@wireless.org.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 13 May 2005 23:11:59 +0100 Received: from pih-spamcore03.plus.net ([192.168.71.7]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWiNz-0007A8-Sa for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 23:11:59 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DWiNz-00045b-EA for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 23:11:59 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.73] (helo=pih-mxcore07.plus.net) by pih-spamcore03.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DWiNz-00045W-Bg for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 23:11:59 +0100 Received: from mail8.atl.registeredsite.com ([64.224.219.82]) by pih-mxcore07.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWiNz-00031k-2y for g3yxm@wireless.org.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 23:11:59 +0100 Received: from lwca.org (lwca.org [216.122.11.188]) by mail8.atl.registeredsite.com (8.12.11/8.12.8) with ESMTP id j4DM9vpC009176; Fri, 13 May 2005 22:11:25 GMT Received: by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA01268 for lowfer-14416503; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:10:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net (rwcrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.198.35]) by lwca.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01262 for ; Fri, 13 May 2005 18:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from 204.127.197.111 (rwcrwbc16.attbi.com[204.127.197.126]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005051322090801300n44tve>; Fri, 13 May 2005 22:09:17 +0000 Received: from [24.91.21.104] by 204.127.197.111; Fri, 13 May 2005 22:09:07 +0000 From: Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ To: rsgb lf reflector , LWCA LF Reflector Subject: [LW] **Possible** Source of inexpensive R75 CW filters Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 22:09:07 +0000 Message-Id: <051320052209.10982.428525830007220F00002AE622058864420B97010D0A020E06979D0E03@comcast.net> X-Mailer: AT&T Message Center Version 1 (Dec 17 2004) X-Authenticated-Sender: bWFyeWphbmVib3lkQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0 Sender: owner-lowfer@lwca.org Precedence: normal Reply-To: lowfer@lwca.org X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit Hello the list... I see in the new QST that R and L electronics has a closeout on the Icom FL54 filter, which is a 270 Hz 9MHz filter for $49.95 . I called R and L and the man said that it looked like the FL-101 Icom filter (same size) but that it seemed to have flimsy solder tabs in place of the pins on an FL-101, but that the spacing of the tabs was the same as the spacing of the pins. I'm thinking this might be a good deal if one could just solder pins to the FL54 and plug it in. Any thoughts? Btw R&L is at www.randl.com -- 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ FN42hi ________________________________________ Attachments are NOT scanned for viruses...check before opening! Subscribe, unsubscribe or get help - http://lwca.org/groups.htm From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Fri, 13 May 2005 02:13:59 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore01.plus.net ([192.168.71.1]) by pih-mxcore06.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWOkY-0004vM-VM for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:13:58 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DWOkR-0003HE-VH for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:13:58 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.77] (helo=pih-mxcore11.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore01.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DWOkR-0003HB-TU for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:13:51 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore11.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DWOkR-0006S7-Gf for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:13:51 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DWOjK-0003mo-Fl for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:12:42 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DWOjK-0003mf-4g for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:12:42 +0100 Received: from bay102-f35.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.45] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DWOjI-0003xN-NG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Fri, 13 May 2005 02:12:42 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Thu, 12 May 2005 18:12:33 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.200 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 13 May 2005 01:12:33 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.200] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org, lowfer@lwca.org Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 17:12:33 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 13 May 2005 01:12:33.0746 (UTC) FILETIME=[D7B26B20:01C55758] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.45 as permitted sender Subject: LF: XDW 137,775 and a bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit wd2xdw will be off air from 0115z Friday until advised - the web site may say different for a while Laurence KL1x/5 em26aq http://myweb.cableone.net/flow Oklahoma! From rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Sun Jan 01 00:00:00 1970 Envelope-to: dave@picks.force9.co.uk Delivery-date: Sun, 08 May 2005 14:23:51 +0100 Received: from ptb-spamcore02.plus.net ([192.168.71.3]) by pih-mxcore05.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUll9-0005E8-Jt for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:23:51 +0100 Received: from Debian-exim by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with spam-scanned (Exim 4.50) id 1DUll8-0005Yb-WA for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:23:51 +0100 Received: from [192.168.101.76] (helo=pih-mxcore10.plus.net) by ptb-spamcore02.plus.net with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1DUll8-0005YY-Tp for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:23:50 +0100 Received: from post.thorcom.com ([193.82.116.20]) by pih-mxcore10.plus.net with esmtp (PlusNet MXCore v1.0) id 1DUll8-0002nk-Pi for dave@picks.force9.co.uk; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:23:50 +0100 Received: from majordom by post.thorcom.com with local (Exim 4.14) id 1DUlkf-0005ek-71 for rs_out_1@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:23:21 +0100 Received: from [193.82.116.30] (helo=relay.thorcom.net) by post.thorcom.com with esmtp (Exim 4.14) id 1DUlke-0005eb-RA for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:23:20 +0100 Received: from bay102-f4.bay102.hotmail.com ([64.4.61.14] helo=hotmail.com) by relay.thorcom.net with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DUlkd-0000kK-DG for rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org; Sun, 08 May 2005 14:23:20 +0100 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 May 2005 06:23:13 -0700 Message-ID: Received: from 64.4.61.209 by by102fd.bay102.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 May 2005 13:23:12 GMT X-Originating-IP: [64.4.61.209] X-Originating-Email: [hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com] X-Sender: hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com From: "Laurence KL1X" To: lowfer@lwca.org, rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Date: Sun, 08 May 2005 05:23:12 -0800 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 May 2005 13:23:13.0013 (UTC) FILETIME=[15DEF250:01C553D1] X-SPF-Result: relay.thorcom.net: domain of hotmail.com designates 64.4.61.14 as permitted sender Subject: LF: XDW - full carrier Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes Sender: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org X-Listname: rsgb_lf_group X-SA-Exim-Rcpt-To: rs_out_1@blacksheep.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No; SAEximRunCond expanded to false X-Spam-Filtered: by PlusNet SpamCORE (v4.00s) Content-transfer-encoding: 8bit XDW had a PC problem this morning from around 09zish until 1302z. The "lock up" caused the transmitter to put a continuous carrier on the dash high freq of 137.7756 Khz or so. Mind you it did produce an interesting very steep past dawn fade out graph on Steve W3eee grabber. Thanks to Mike ZL4OL who spotted the tx problem and also for TIL/3 for the reports and BRO grabber for the confirm. Nothing got too hot. We are due to get storms later and we may shut down unannounced. Laurence KL1X/5 wd2xdw em26aq bartlesville OK, USA