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Peter

No joy...if you were transmitting this morning. Thunderstorms over Texas
may have limited weak signal reception.

Jay, W1VD



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Hi some copy from G0NVZ on fast Jason at 1215z. This was probably corrupted
by low level 50Hz modulated QRM in the background. This is rather
disappointing as the signal was relatively easily copied audibly probably S5
or even S6 in a 2.1khz bandwidth.

Also heard a CQ from Dave G3YXM earlier on 136.6ish unanswered.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK  JO02pb
alan.melia(at)btinternet.com




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Good signals from WD2XES and WD2XGJ last night. Copied all "XES"
strings 0210-0700z.
Again only traces from VO1NA. But stronger than the night before.

Captures of VO1NA, WD2XES and WD2XGJ can be seen here:

 http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


Hartmut Wolff
Locator:JO52ho
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Ko Versteeg schrieb:
> Fb copy into JO22KE
> 73 de Ko, NL9222
>
Hi Ko, Brian, Markus and Alan,

thanks for the reports.

so I learned: using JASON into a class D push pull PA (G0MRF version) you have 
to switch the TX shift multiplying factor to 2. if you dont the transmission 
bandwidth is 16Hz only (factor 1 = 32Hz bandwidth is norm).

special thanks to Hartmut, Wolf and Markus who tried to decode my former  
16Hz bandwidth transmission.

regards
Uwe/dj8wx



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Apologies ... what is all this about ? All I see here is a strange page 
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only be viewed if you have some special tools ?

G4gvw@aol.com schrieb:

> G4GVW No.1 <http://journals.aol.co.uk/g4gvw/G4GVWNo1/rssPopup>




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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear LF Group.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I intend to do beaconing this night.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Low power, mode&nbsp;QRSS 60 frequency 135.923 
kHz</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Start around 22.00 Z</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73 de SM6BHZ</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Gus</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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Hi Gus,

Thanks for the opportunity to compare my domestic LF reception with the 
RX condition at DF0WD - in other words, I will be receiving from home .

Besides this, your email client requests a notice of receipt 
automatically (if thats the translation of "Empfangsbestätigung"), which 
may cause a flood of emails for you soon  ... ;-)

Good luck, 73
Wolf  DL4YHF / DF0WD .






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Hi Uwe,

I wasn't aware that you could use Jason with a class D Tx (G0MRF 300 w),
please tell me briefly how is it done?

2 x 100r 100 watt resitors should arrive tomorrow ((wed 2nd) so I will soon
be testing the modified G0MRF PA.

Also started re-building the LF antenna after storm dammage.

Regards

Gary - G4WGT

Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor



-----Original Message-----

so I learned: using JASON into a class D push pull PA (G0MRF version) you
have
to switch the TX shift multiplying factor to 2. if you dont the transmission
bandwidth is 16Hz only (factor 1 = 32Hz bandwidth is norm).

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<DIV>In a message dated 01/02/2005 18:15:14 GMT Standard Time, dl4yhf@freenet.de 
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<BLOCKQUOTE 
style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: blue 2px solid"><FONT 
  style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" face=Arial color=#000000 
  size=2>Apologies ... what is all this about ? All I see here is a strange page 
  <BR>telling me about "Atom" or "RSS" readers..<BR>is it a kind of website, or 
  diary, or something in that style which can <BR>only be viewed if you have 
  some special tools ?<BR><BR>G4gvw@aol.com schrieb:<BR><BR>&gt; G4GVW No.1 <A 
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<DIV>Yes, this does seem totally unrelated to LF.&nbsp; Why would I want a RSS 
reader anyway?</DIV>
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target=_blank>you can choose one from this list</A>."</P></DIV>
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Gary - G4WGT schrieb:
> Hi Uwe,
>
> I wasn't aware that you could use Jason with a class D Tx (G0MRF 300 w),
> please tell me briefly how is it done?
>
> 2 x 100r 100 watt resitors should arrive tomorrow ((wed 2nd) so I will soon
> be testing the modified G0MRF PA.
>
> Also started re-building the LF antenna after storm dammage.
>
> Regards
>
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>
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> -----Original Message-----
>
> so I learned: using JASON into a class D push pull PA (G0MRF version) you
> have
> to switch the TX shift multiplying factor to 2. if you dont the transmission
> bandwidth is 16Hz only (factor 1 = 32Hz bandwidth is norm).
>
> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx
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Hi Gary,

thats all I did. conc my trx construction now in use see my WEB site 
<qsl.net/dj8wx/my second tranmitter.htm>.

best regards
Uwe/dj8wx


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Gus Bassman schrieb:
> Dear LF Group.
>
> I intend to do beaconing this night.
> Low power, mode QRSS 60 frequency 135.923 kHz
> Start around 22.00 Z
>
> 73 de SM6BHZ
> Gus
Hi and group,

Ill be on 135,9224kHz in QRSS60 

regards
Uwe/dj8wx



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Dear Gary, LF Group,

Just replace the CW carrier with the Jason multi-FSK signal - since the
signal has a constant amplitude, using a class D amplifier is not a problem.
Frequency shift keying the signal like this does generate some extended
sidebands, but these are much smaller than the ones produced by binary PSK,
so the signal has a respectable bandwidth. The only remaining problem is how
to translate the sound card audio signal up to 137kHz - hence the "phasing"
exciters that have been discussed recently.

Cheers, Jim Moritz
73 de M0BMU

----- Original Message -----
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> Hi Uwe,
>
> I wasn't aware that you could use Jason with a class D Tx (G0MRF 300 w),
> please tell me briefly how is it done?




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Hi Uwe, Gus and all:

Audible signals in some moments from Uwe. Gus´ signals are strong also.
There is slow fading.

There were strong and impressive stable diurnal signals from DCF39 last days
over here. I´ll make some calls tomorrow in the morning, between 9 and 12
UTC, with QRP ( 40 mW ERP )

73 de José, EA1PX, loc IN53ti






----- Original Message ----- 
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> Gus Bassman schrieb:
> > Dear LF Group.
> >
> > I intend to do beaconing this night.
> > Low power, mode QRSS 60 frequency 135.923 kHz
> > Start around 22.00 Z
> >
> > 73 de SM6BHZ
> > Gus
> Hi and group,
>
> Ill be on 135,9224kHz in QRSS60
>
> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx
>
>
>




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Dear LF Group,

Very good "O" copy of SM6BHZ and DJ8WX at about 2300 UTC on 1 Feb.

73
Joe VO1NA




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Joe,

copy the signal of your beacon since 0130z here, too.

Captures of VO1NA, WD2XES and WD2XGJ can be seen here:

 http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


Hartmut Wolff
Locator:JO52ho
www.h-wolff.de


> Dear LF Group,

> Very good "O" copy of SM6BHZ and DJ8WX at about 2300 UTC on 1 Feb.

> 73
> Joe VO1NA



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            Dear Steve,
         thanks for your suggestion. So DI2AG will QRSS60 coming night with
4W ERP, beginning 22UTC to 8UTC tomorrow.
         73  Walter DJ2LF

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Steve Dove <dsp@hifidelity.com>
An: Walter Staubach <walter.staubach@fen-net.de>
Datum: Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2005 02:30
Betreff: Re: LF: DI2AG on air


>Hi Walter,
>
>Might I suggest QRSS60?  The extra 3dB might do the trick.
>
>        73,
>
>                Steve
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>http://www.w3eee.com
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>
>
>02/01/05 22:06:00, "Walter Staubach" <walter.staubach@fen-net.de> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>  From:   "Walter Staubach" <walter.staubach@fen-net.de>
>>
>>  To:     "RSGB LF" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>>  Date:   Tue, 1 Feb 2005 23:06:00 +0100
>>  Subject:LF: DI2AG on air
>>
>>
>>
>>  Dear All,
>>         DI2AG 440.044KHz is on air beaconing with 4W ERP and QRSS30 until
>>  800UTC tomorrow.
>>
>>  Reports please to DI2AG@fen-net.de
>>  73   Walter
>>
>
>
>


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<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Walter,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Why not transmitting till 0900 UTC 
instead to 0800 UTC&nbsp;the sunrise here is around 0753 UTC so one can see the 
D-layer influence?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN class=881090212-02022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Who's 
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Hi to all:

I think there is someone calling to me around 137700, but I can´t copy the
signals.

73 de José, EA1PX




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Joe Craig schrieb:
> Dear LF Group,
>
> Very good "O" copy of SM6BHZ and DJ8WX at about 2300 UTC on 1 Feb.
>
> 73
> Joe VO1NA
>
>
>
thanks Joe.

Gus your locator and ERP please.

my ERP was 1W.

best regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv



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Hi, Jose,
It's probably me, QRSS10 !

73,
Dave G3WCB


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of José Manuel
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Subject: LF: Who calling me?


Hi to all:

I think there is someone calling to me around 137700, but I can´t copy the
signals.

73 de José, EA1PX







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 Dave, sri, I didn´t copy your signals. I must going away in some minutes,
 but I´ll be on the band tomorrow morning.
 What´s your radiated power? Here the ERP around 40mW only.

 Regards fm José, EA1PX



>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "G3WCB" <ganymede444@btopenworld.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:24 PM
> Subject: LF: RE: Who calling me?
>
>
> > Hi, Jose,
> > It's probably me, QRSS10 !
> >
> > 73,
> > Dave G3WCB
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of José Manuel
> > Sent: 02 February 2005 12:11
> > To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> > Subject: LF: Who calling me?
> >
> >
> > Hi to all:
> >
> > I think there is someone calling to me around 137700, but I can´t copy
the
> > signals.
> >
> > 73 de José, EA1PX
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>




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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hallo Staf et Jean-Louis and All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; ok, I 
will do so and QRSS60 as W3EEE suggested. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73&nbsp;&nbsp; Walter</FONT></DIV>
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  &lt;<A 
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  </B>Mittwoch, 2. Februar 2005 12:13<BR><B>Betreff: </B>Re: LF: DI2AG on 
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  <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Walter,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face="MS Sans Serif" size=2>Why not transmitting till 0900 UTC 
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Hello, José.

Your signals today were "O" copy most of the time in IO91RM, but with long
slow QSB over many minutes. I'm only running 60W RF here with an estimated
ERP of not more than 10mW, so I am surprised you saw anything at all! I'm
going to have build a bigger TX...

If I see you again tomorrow, I'll try again with QRSS10 on 137,700.

Regards and 73,

Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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 Dave, sri, I didn´t copy your signals. I must going away in some minutes,
 but I´ll be on the band tomorrow morning.
 What´s your radiated power? Here the ERP around 40mW only.

 Regards fm José, EA1PX





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Hi all,

for newcomers: see attachment, tools needed for the constraction of lf aerials.

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On Friday 28 January 2005 23:08, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote:
> Dear James,
>
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, james moritz wrote:
> > G3YXM's downloads page ( http://www.wireless.org.uk/software.htm
> > )there is GLFER and Linrad available for download.
>
> I know about GLFER. But it uses X-window subsystem (someone very
> similar to MS Windows interface) wich is too resource hangry, not
> adequate for my old machine. 

Look here:

http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/

This distro, debian like, run on pentium 133 MHz with 64 Mbyte RAM. 
The ISO  CD image is only 50 Mbytes, the CD is bootable and is a live 
CD, i.e. you can run Linux witout installing it on hard disk.

You can also install the system on your hard disk from the live 
environment.
Also X-windows work with this old hardware. Many small and fast 
windows managers but not KDE. 
Packages can be added from Debian repository.

Good luck!

Claudio, ik2pii


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Hi José,

"O" copy of all your calls 0938-1335z and your QSO with G3YXM.
Nice signal here around midday!

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut Wolff
Locator:JO52ho
www.h-wolff.de


> Hi to all:

> I think there is someone calling to me around 137700, but I can´t copy the
> signals.

> 73 de José, EA1PX



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Good conditions to the east coast last night. Copied XES, XGJ and
VO1NA last night. Some kind of multipath was visible. When XES
was strong XGJ faded or XGJ was strong and XES faded.

Very strong signals from XES 0500-0700z. XGJ was strong 0130-0230z and
around 0430z.VO1NA was visible 0130-0730 with a good stable signal.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut Wolff
Locator:JO52ho
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Hi LF-group,

someone offered me an old vintage receiver called Lorenz LE11, he said it
ist a longwave receiver starting at 5 kHz, with steel tubes, estimated value
250,- Euro. Anybody knows anything about this radio? Anybody interested? My
shack already is so crowded that I don't have space for another boat anchor
...

Best 73

Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)




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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Beacon run also this night.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Low power, mode&nbsp;QRSS 60 frequency 135.923 
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Hi LF,

On Fri, 28 Jan 2005, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote:
> does anybody know how to deal with sound card in Linux? I'd like to
> write some 'narrow band digital downconverter' wich will gives
> oportuneties:

I have just finish first experimental version of this 'digital
downconverter'. Seems it works.

Now (19-30Z) I start the recording of the band 137690-137790
with frequency expansion ratio 20. It wil be recorded 8 hours.
Thus observation will be stoped about 3-30Z.
Please any QRSS120/60 beacons in anonsed freq band.


73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb



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Hartmut, thanks for report and very nice captures.

Regards......José, EA1PX





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From: "Hartmut Wolff" <wolff.h@t-online.de>
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> Hi José,
>
> "O" copy of all your calls 0938-1335z and your QSO with G3YXM.
> Nice signal here around midday!
>
> Captures can be seen here:
>
> http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm
>
>
> 73
> Hartmut Wolff
> Locator:JO52ho
> www.h-wolff.de
>
>
> > Hi to all:
>
> > I think there is someone calling to me around 137700, but I can´t copy
the
> > signals.
>
> > 73 de José, EA1PX
>
>
>



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Hi all:

Diurnal propagation, at least in the range 1000 to 1800 km, are very good
during the morning, with strong and very stable level of signals.
I´ll be tomorrow again, between 9 and 12 UTC, around 137702-QRSS3.

73 de José, EA1PX, loc IN53ti




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Hello again:

Does anyone know the location of the 139 kHz FSK new station?

Regards fm José, EA1PX




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Hi Jose I think the station you are hearing is probably TBA the Turkish Navy
station.....my list says it is locatated Ankara, but I have no idea how
accurate that it. It is a strange one because it sits between the mark and
space of DCF39...I have a PDF file of some of the generally heard stations
in the region below 150kHz....not original, copied from someone's site. I
can attach it to a personal message if you would like a copy.

Daytime conditions have been very good for a few days now but they were
beginning to show some drop off on the 1st...I have looked at the levels on
Brian's real-time plot for 2nd, and they were still up today. Avoid the
period before about 1000z particularly if it is a predominantly N<>S path,
best strength should be at about 1200z when the sun is highest at mid path.
Brain's plot does show some multipath as there is an initial good peak and
then a quite deep fade on DCF39.

Good Luck

73 de Alan  G3NYK
alan.melia(at)btinternet.com

----- Original Message -----
From: "José Manuel" <jpradoes@telefonica.net>
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> Hello again:
>
> Does anyone know the location of the 139 kHz FSK new station?
>
> Regards fm José, EA1PX
>
>
>




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 Hello Alan:

 Thanks for the 139 station info and for propagation predictions.

 Between 9 and 13 UTC the variation of the DCF39 signal was lower than 3 dB
 in my location today. I didn´t have the minimum, around 10UTC, that can be
seen on
 the Brian´s plot.

 73 de José, EA1PX




> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Alan Melia" <Alan.Melia@btinternet.com>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 12:33 AM
> Subject: LF: Re: 139 kHz FSK
>
>
> > Hi Jose I think the station you are hearing is probably TBA the Turkish
> Navy
> > station.....my list says it is locatated Ankara, but I have no idea how
> > accurate that it. It is a strange one because it sits between the mark
and
> > space of DCF39...I have a PDF file of some of the generally heard
stations
> > in the region below 150kHz....not original, copied from someone's site.
I
> > can attach it to a personal message if you would like a copy.
> >
> > Daytime conditions have been very good for a few days now but they were
> > beginning to show some drop off on the 1st...I have looked at the levels
> on
> > Brian's real-time plot for 2nd, and they were still up today. Avoid the
> > period before about 1000z particularly if it is a predominantly N<>S
path,
> > best strength should be at about 1200z when the sun is highest at mid
> path.
> > Brain's plot does show some multipath as there is an initial good peak
and
> > then a quite deep fade on DCF39.
> >
> > Good Luck
> >
> > 73 de Alan  G3NYK
> > alan.melia(at)btinternet.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "José Manuel" <jpradoes@telefonica.net>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: 02 February 2005 23:35
> > Subject: LF: 139 kHz FSK
> >
> >
> > > Hello again:
> > >
> > > Does anyone know the location of the 139 kHz FSK new station?
> > >
> > > Regards fm José, EA1PX
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>



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Dear LF,

On Thu, 3 Feb 2005, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote:
> I have just finish first experimental version of this 'digital
> downconverter'. Seems it works.
> 
> Now (19-30Z) I start the recording of the band 137690-137790
> with frequency expansion ratio 20. 

It works nice! I have record an audiofile of 8 hours last night wich is
24Mb length only (it is due to only 100Hz of all bandwith is recorded).
By giving this file to any spectroanalyser (firstly I tryed HAMVIE)
one can observe 8 hours in 24 minutes. Nice see RA3YO in this recording
absolutely shure decode him. May be there is someone else in this file
I will analyse later.

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb

P.S. If use grater 'time compressing factor' (it is posible, only change
a number in config file) in such a recording one can listen QRSS (say
QRSS120) as conventional CW. Audible. But all advantures of QRSS will be
present. 



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Hi José>
> Diurnal propagation, at least in the range 1000 to 1800 km, are very good
> during the morning, with strong and very stable level of signals.
> I´ll be tomorrow again, between 9 and 12 UTC, around 137702-QRSS3.
>
I have a cluster of loran lines from Lessay just above 137700 but 137765 to
137770 is clear with the exception of one faint.
line.

Will be looking for you

Peter G3LDO



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<font size=3>Dear Gus,<br><br>
FB signal into JO22GD all through the night. At first accompanied by the
very strong signal from DJ8UX.<br><br>
73, Dick, PA0SE<br><br>
At 20:32 2-2-05, you wrote:<br>
</font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font face="arial" size=2>Dear
LF Group.<br>
</font><font size=3>&nbsp;<br>
</font><font face="arial" size=2>Beacon run also this night.<br>
Low power, mode QRSS 60 frequency 135.923 kHz<br>
Start around 22.00 Z<br>
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</font><font face="arial" size=2>73 de SM6BHZ<br>
Gus</font></blockquote><br>
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<font size=3>Sorry, DJ8WX of course.<br><br>
Dear Gus,<br><br>
FB signal into JO22GD all through the night. At first accompanied by the
very strong signal from DJ8UX.<br><br>
73, Dick, PA0SE<br><br>
At 20:32 2-2-05, you wrote:<br>
</font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font face="arial" size=2>Dear
LF Group.<br>
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</font><font face="arial" size=2>Beacon run also this night.<br>
Low power, mode QRSS 60 frequency 135.923 kHz<br>
Start around 22.00 Z<br>
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</font><font face="arial" size=2>73 de SM6BHZ<br>
Gus</font></blockquote><font size=3><br>
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Regarding to my "Bible" the books  from Fritz Trenkle " Die deutschen
Funknachrichtenanlagen bis 1945 "
can I not pindown the mentioned " LE11"

SRI

Uwe, DK1KQ

Could be LE = Lorenz Receiver 11 tubes

----- Original Message -----
From: "Holger 'Geri', DK8KW" <geri@dk8kw.de>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 7:17 PM
Subject: LF: Longwave Receiver LE 11?


> Hi LF-group,
>
> someone offered me an old vintage receiver called Lorenz LE11, he said it
> ist a longwave receiver starting at 5 kHz, with steel tubes, estimated
value
> 250,- Euro. Anybody knows anything about this radio? Anybody interested?
My
> shack already is so crowded that I don't have space for another boat
anchor
> ...
>
> Best 73
>
> Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)
>
>
>



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On Thu, 3 Feb 2005, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote:
> one can observe 8 hours in 24 minutes. Nice see RA3YO in this recording
> absolutely shure decode him. May be there is someone else in this file
> I will analyse later.

Nothing more unfortunely. But RA3YO looks very nice (attached).

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb

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Dear LF,
I will observe around 135922 next night. Please any QRSS120/60 beacons.
Unfortunely this frequency is noisy here usualy. But some times it is
clear.

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb




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TIL QSY 135922.5ish

If you can't beat the geomagnetic pole avoid it...

73 Scott

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> 
> Dear LF,
> I will observe around 135922 next night. Please any QRSS120/60 beacons.
> Unfortunely this frequency is noisy here usualy. But some times it is
> clear.
> 
> 73 de RA9MB/Alex
> http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb
> 
> 
> 


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It depends whether it is German steel valves like EF11, EBC11 etc or some other rubbish, believe I saw something like it in Düsseldorf once, I reckon many collectors are interested. But the problem with receivers like LwEa is that they have too large scale, with 2cm for the 136kHz band, so the tuning is difficult and really need an external VFO. Also the bandwidth for such receivers are usually not good enough, KwEa and LwEa has 800Hz BW which once was regarded to be very narrow, and even used as Q5'er, while today I use Digital signal processor for 100-200Hz bandwidth - even with KwEa.

A selektiver Pegelmesser like Siemens D2006 with 80Hz selektivity is far better, and tuning is very accurate.

73, Jan-Martin, LA8AK
-----Opprinnelig melding-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]På vegne av Holger 'Geri',
DK8KW
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Emne: LF: Longwave Receiver LE 11?


Hi LF-group,

someone offered me an old vintage receiver called Lorenz LE11, he said it
ist a longwave receiver starting at 5 kHz, with steel tubes, estimated value
250,- Euro. Anybody knows anything about this radio? Anybody interested? My
shack already is so crowded that I don't have space for another boat anchor
...

Best 73

Geri, DK8KW (W1KW)




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<font size=4>To All from PA0SE<br><br>
Alex, RA9MB wrote:<br><br>
</font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=3>I will
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Unfortunely this frequency is noisy here usualy. But some times it
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clear.</font></blockquote><font size=4><br>
I will probably be beaconing at 135922&nbsp; Hz using QRSS 60.<br><br>
73, Dick, PA0SE</font><font size=3> </font></body>
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 Hi José,
 "O" copy of all your calls 0953-1257z on 137702 here in JO52ho.
 Around 1200z SM6BHZ was calling near your frequency.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut Wolff
Locator:JO52ho
www.h-wolff.de
 


> Hi all:

> Diurnal propagation, at least in the range 1000 to 1800 km, are very good
> during the morning, with strong and very stable level of signals.
> I´ll be tomorrow again, between 9 and 12 UTC, around 137702-QRSS3.

> 73 de José, EA1PX, loc IN53ti



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear LF Group.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Beacon run also this night.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Low power, mode&nbsp;QRSS 60 frequency 135.923 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Start around 22.00 Z</FONT></DIV>
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Hartmut Wolff" <wolff.h@t-online.de>
To: "José Manuel" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 4:42 PM
Subject: Re: LF: Diurnal condx


> Hi José,
>  "O" copy of all your calls 0953-1257z on 137702 here in JO52ho.
>  Around 1200z SM6BHZ was calling near your frequency.
>
Monitored for most of the morning but nothing seen here.
I am not able to monitor tomorrow morning

Peter, G3LDO



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Dear group,<BR>
<BR>
I have activated the third SpecLab screen, showing the 135922 window beneath the TA waterhole: <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/Grabber.htm">http://members.aol.com/df6nm2/Grabber.htm</A> <BR>
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Good luck to all<BR>
<BR>
Markus<BR>
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In einer eMail vom 30.01.2005 07:53:58 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt vy1ja@northwestel.net: <BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">LF,<BR>
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Is anyone on this morning on 922 or thereabouts?&nbsp; Is there a grabber so that <BR>
I can see who is on?<BR>
With conditions this good, I wonder if the EU sunrise might be an advantage.<BR>
<BR>
J.<BR>
VY1JA <BR>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Beacon DI2AG is again on air in QRSS60 with 4W ERP 
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Gus Bassman wrote:<br>
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  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Dear LF Group.</font></div>
 
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  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Beacon run also this night.</font></div>
 
  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Low power, mode&nbsp;QRSS 60 frequency 135.923
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 Hartmut, thanks again. I couldn´t copy Gus´signals, I saw it on the Markus´
 grabber but not on the G3YXM one.

 73 de José, EA1PX




> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hartmut Wolff" <wolff.h@t-online.de>
> To: "José Manuel" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 4:42 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Diurnal condx
>
>
> > Hi José,
> >  "O" copy of all your calls 0953-1257z on 137702 here in JO52ho.
> >  Around 1200z SM6BHZ was calling near your frequency.
> >
> > Captures can be seen here:
> >
> > http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm
> >
> >
> > 73
> > Hartmut Wolff
> > Locator:JO52ho
> > www.h-wolff.de
> >
> >
> >
> > > Hi all:
> >
> > > Diurnal propagation, at least in the range 1000 to 1800 km, are very
> good
> > > during the morning, with strong and very stable level of signals.
> > > I´ll be tomorrow again, between 9 and 12 UTC, around 137702-QRSS3.
> >
> > > 73 de José, EA1PX, loc IN53ti
> >
> >
> >
>




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Below is an exchange between James Dean, Radio Amateur's of Canada, Industry
Canada liason and myself regarding concerns raised by Hydro Quebec to
amateur operation on 2200m.

I feel this may be of interest to anyone in any region not presently
authorized to allow amateur operation on 2200m.

73 Scott

> Hello Scott:
>
> Thank you very much for your very generous offer of expertise and
> equipment to conduct an experiment on the possible susceptibility of
> the Hydro Quebec LF plc power grid monitoring and control network to
> amateur transmissions in the 135.7 to 137.8 kHz band.
>
> Ken, VE3PU, gave you a very good summary of the problem, but to set
> the scene, perhaps I could amplify his remarks with the information I
> sent to my contacts in Montreal. After that, I will discuss a possible way
> ahead, and I do have some specific info requests for you, and the
> other addressees, if they would like to voice their ideas.
>
> Here is what I said:
>
> "The situation is the following.
>
> Background:
>
> In preparation for WRC-2003, Canada tried to get on the agenda a
> request for a world-wide secondary allocation to the Amateur Service
> at 135.7 - 137.8 kHz (a Canadian initiative by decison of Industry
> Canada). However, as the item had not been put on the agenda for
> WRC-2003, the conference refused to add it as it might constitute a
> precedent for adding agenda items that would allow administrations to
> add items, effectively hijacking an agenda. The  conferences have
> controlled their agendas very tightly. Having rejected the allocation for
> consideration at WRC-03, the WRC-03 conference did put the topic on
> the agenda for WRC-2007, for which the background studies are now
> in progress in the ITU and elsewhere. As you know, under RAC
> auspices, Industry Canada has granted special authorizations to a
> number of amateurs (about 8) to conduct propagation experiments at
> 135.7 - 137.8 kHz in support of the allocation request, as well as for
> other reasons.
>
> Just before WRC-2003, the FCC in the USA was set to grant a
> domestic US allocation in this band to its amateurs, but cancelled at
> the last minute because power utilities raised concerns about the
> potential for interference to the monitoring and control of the power grid
> which the utilities do by controlled carrier plc in this band. The power
> companies just stated their objections; there was no experiment  or
> any proven problems of interference from amateurs. So it was  a
> political decision.
>
> Prior to WRC-2003, Canada had obtained CITEL and IARU support,
> and as you know, CEPT has authorized its amateurs to use this band
> for more than 15 years. No problems of interference to the power grids
> in CEPT countries are known, but they may use a different control
> system than is common in North America.
>
> Current Situation
>
> As we prepare for WRC-2007, IARUhas been supportive and support
> within CITEL has been building thanks to the general support and lead
> of the  Canadian delegation. In the studies at ITU, there has been
> support for the  allocation.
>
> However, because the utilities in the  USA were successful at quashing
> an amateur band allocation there, Industry Canada has suddenly
> become concerned and has gone to the utilities here for their reaction.
> Canada at present is somewhat hesitant to give us a full endorsement
> because the representative of the Canadian Electrical Association,
> who comes from Hydro Quebec in Montreal, is raising the fear of
> interference from amateur radio causing a shutdown in the power
> systems. Unfortunately, Hydro Quebec does use 136 kHz for control,
> right in downtown Montreal. The engineer is leaving the impression
> with Industry Canada that this is a potential problem across the
> country. Hydro Quebec is quite willing to conduct tests, but as far as I
> know, we don't have any amateurs currently interested in the band in
> Montreal. We note that all power utilities have been informed through
> the CEA, but that Hydro Quebec is the only one that seems fussed.
> The engineer from Hydro Quebec is concerned that the proposed
> amateur power limit of 1 watt eirp at 1 km would induce a 4dbm signal
> on the power lines. The plc monitoring and control system operates at -
> 14dbm (if I recall his numbers correctly).
>
> It has become very important to deal with this issue. We need to be
> able to go to the ITU study groups and to CITEL and say that it has
> been shown that the there are no problems with interference from
> amateur operations. The ideal solution would be to have an experiment
> at 136 kHz conducted with Hydro Quebec in downtown Montreal. I
> don't know if Hydro Quebec would accept the results of an experiment
> conducted elsewhere."
>
> So, what is the way ahead? There is no doubt that we have to address
> the problem with Hydro Quebec.
>
> My contacts in Montreal are working to see if they can come up with a
> site in downtown Montreal and if they can find an interested individual
> or club to take on an experiment as an urgent project. I have been
> encouraged by the chats I have had. I think it would be preferable, if
> at all possible, to conduct any experiment in Montreal as Hydro
> Quebec would be part of  the solution to the potential problem
> that they raised. An experiment that showed no interference at their
> operating frequency of 136 kHz in a geometry of their choosing would
> both allay their fears and also have have high credibility with IC and
> internationally.
>
> I hope to hear from Montreal in the next few days. In the meantime, I
> have been asked some questions by Hydro Quebec with which I would
> appreciate input from all of you.
>
> The first question that they asked is what would be a typical antenna
> arrangement ?
>
> Please give me a description of your transmitting setup and the
> antenna system. I have been trying to tell Hydro Quebec that there is
> no one system that is used by all amateurs, so we will need to give
> them some examples of typical installations. I presume that for the
> purposes of the experiment, we would not need a receiving system
> and receiving antennas, but I am open to your advice. Of course, an
> amateur or club that gets involved likely will want to continue and
> proceed to experiment with contacts with other amateurs, which would
> be another link in our cross-country chain.
>
> Hydro Quebec also asked: "-what would you suggest as a test
> "message" (including the duration of dots, dashes and spaces)?"
> Please give me a description of what you would recommend. Your
> beacon information also would be useful.
>
> As additional information, I think that it would be useful if you can find
> out and advise me what frequencies are used for power grid
> monitoring and control in your area. Hydro Quebec told IC in the last
> WRC preparatory meeting that utilities across Canada typically used a
> standard system, but your comments lead me to believe that this may
> not be so, and also that the technology is changing.
>
> I think that it also would be very useful to find out at what voltage
levels
> the power utilities exercise control. For example, you mentioned  5 KV
> lines in your area, but is grid monitoring and control really done at that
> voltage? I am going to try and find out from Hydro Quebec at what
> voltages they exercise control.
>
> I think that this info will be a good start. Again, my thanks for offering
> your help.
>
> You might be interested to know that at the WRC meeting, in which we
> discussed the 135 kHz issue, a number of the commercial groups
> asked why amateurs were interested in 135.7 - 137.8 kHz. I explained
> why and what we are doing. They were astounded. I don't think that
> many of the individuals realized that we are able to experiment; I had
> the feeling they regarded us as just a bunch of communicators like CB
> or FRS, with which they are familiar. A successful experiment with
> Hydro Quebec may well be important in highlighting the capabilities of
> the Amateur Service to other spectrum users who are after our
> frequencies!
>
> Enough soapbox!
>
> 73,
>
> Jim
>
> Date sent:      Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:56:37 -0800
> From:           "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" <
> Subject:        Hydro Quebec and 2200m...
>
> > Dear Jim
> >
> > It has come to my attention that Hydro Quebec has raised concerns over
> > amateur operation on the 2200m band due to its present control scheme
> > which uses 136KHz in urban areas.  I have been advised that RAC is
> > seeking interested amateurs to conduct experiments in this region in
> > an effort to prove that amateur operations within the proposed 2200m
> > band will not have a negative impact on Hydro Quebec's control
> > operations.
> >
> > I would like to extend my technical support to such a project and
> > would offer whatever expertise and equipment as I can manage to help
> > get a VE2 station on the air in the Montreal area.  I can offer a
> > completed PCB and transmitter design to the interested party and the
> > necessary controller to operate a beacon/station.  I'm sure between
> > the rest of the other active amateur experimental stations that we
> > could muster a considerable support effort to get an interested
> > station on the air very quickly and start collecting data on the
> > possibility of interference from future amateur operations in
> > preparation for WRC-2007.
> >
> > Might I suggest this would be a perfect club project and I'm sure with
> > yours and others considerable connections a club in the area could be
> > asked to rise to the challenge.
> >
> > With the success we have had to date mapping and expanding what is
> > possible on 2200m in Canada a sales job should be easier.
> >
> > For the record, I have not received ANY complaints from neighbours,
> > officials or the primary users of the allocation after near continuous
> > 24/7 high power beacon operation on 137778.0Hz over the last 6+
> > months.  My QTH is urban Vancouver and I'm surrounded by 5KV lines on
> > three sides of my house.  In fact it has been my observation that my
> > HF activity produces more TVI within my home at lower power(<100W)
> > then my 600W operations on 2200m.  I believe this has to do with the
> > high Q of the antenna structure and the use of a high quality low pass
> > filter in the transmitter design.
> >
> > I have also informally spoken to the team leader of BC hydro's
> > communication team and he advised no concern what so ever about our
> > operations.  In fact, he described a gradual phasing out of LF
> > communication schemes in BC and the continued expansion of the
> > microwave links used throughout most of the province.  He advised that
> > Loran C was a greater concern then anything an amateur could muster.
> > This could be due to the fact that loran operates a transmitter quite
> > close to where most of BC hydro's LF comms is used on the northern
> > part of Vancouver Is.
> >
> > I'm seeking to reconnect with the above individual to begin a more
> > formal communication about the possibility of interference between our
> > respective services.
> >
> > Any guidance and leadership you can offer on this Jim would be greatly
> > appreciated.  Please keep me up to date and I'm very willing to
> > provide whatever support I can.
> >
> > 73 Scott, VE7TIL
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Jim Dean, VE3IQ
> 1134 Plante Drive
> Ottawa, ON, Canada, K1V 9E8
> Tel. (613) 733-5585; Fax. (613) 733-7613
>


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Hi Dick<br>
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See you "M" in qrss30<br>
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Dick Rollema wrote:<br>
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<font size=3>Hello Dmitri,<br><br>
Thanks for the report.&nbsp; What is your locator and QTH?&nbsp; Mine is
JO22GD and Leiderdorp, The Netherlands..<br><br>
73,&nbsp; Dick, PA0SE<br><br>
At 01:10 4-2-05, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Hi Dick<br><br>
See you &quot;M&quot; in qrss30<br><br>
Dmitry<br><br>
<br>
Dick Rollema wrote:<br>
</font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=4>To All from
PA0SE<br><br>
Alex, RA9MB wrote:<br><br>
</font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=3>I will
observe around 135922 next night. Please any QRSS120/60 beacons.<br>
Unfortunely this frequency is noisy here usualy. But some times it
is<br>
clear.</font></blockquote><font size=4><br>
I will probably be beaconing at 135922&nbsp; Hz using QRSS 60.<br><br>
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Dear all.

Daytime conditions still good.
I just put out a cq at noon and saw this (attached) on the HA grabber:


73
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Dick Rollema schrieb:
> Sorry, DJ8WX of course.
>
> Dear Gus,
>
> FB signal into JO22GD all through the night. At first accompanied by the 
> very strong signal from DJ8UX.
>
> 73, Dick, PA0SE
>
Hi Dick,

thanks for the nice pics. 

best regards

Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv



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Dear LF,

solid copy YU7AR and DJ8WX last night around 135922. Saw couple of other
sigs: ???HZ (SM6BHZ?) and ???MI. See attach.

73 de RA9MB/Alex
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Hi LF group,

DJ8WX will be not be on the air the next nights because children spend the 
nights in the raised hut where the loading coil is installed.

regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Uwe,<BR>
<BR>
children in a hut - outdoors - in winter? It's going to be cold! You should be heating the coil for a while ;-)<BR>
<BR>
Have a good time<BR>
Markus<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
In einer eMail vom 04.02.2005 18:14:27 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt 0482183881-0001@t-online.de: <BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hi LF group,<BR>
<BR>
DJ8WX will be not be on the air the next nights because children spend the <BR>
nights in the raised hut where the loading coil is installed.<BR>
<BR>
regards<BR>
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
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Alexander S. Yurkov schrieb:
>
> Dear LF,
>
> solid copy YU7AR and DJ8WX last night around 135922. Saw couple of other
> sigs: ???HZ (SM6BHZ?) and ???MI. See attach.
>
> 73 de RA9MB/Alex
> http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb
>
>
Hi Alex,

thanks for the pic report.

guess I have your locator somewhere but cant find it.

would you pse give me the locator agn?

thanks in advnc

Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv

 



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Dear LF Group<br>
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All EU beacons&nbsp;<font face="Arial" size="2">this night</font><br>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Dear Dmitry,<BR>
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actually, there was one more ;-) ... see screenshot taken at 3:40.<BR>
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73 de Markus, DF6NM<BR>
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ilena@online.debryansk.ru wrote: <BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Dear LF Group<BR>
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All EU beacons this night</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2"><BR>
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73<BR>
Dmitri<BR>
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Bryansk,&nbsp; ko73dg<BR>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Dear Dmitry,<BR>
actually, there was one more ;-) ... see screenshot taken at 3:40.<BR>
73 de Markus, DF6NM<BR>
<BR>
ilena@online.debryansk.ru wrote: <BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Dear LF Group<BR>
<BR>
All EU beacons this night</FONT><FONT  COLOR="#000000" BACK="#ffffff" style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #ffffff" SIZE=3 PTSIZE=12 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2"><BR>
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73<BR>
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Bryansk,&nbsp; ko73dg<BR>
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got my beacon on air 135922.3 / .4 Hz DFCW, 100s on 33s off. I see Teo on 921.87 with an excellent QRSS60 signal.<BR>
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Dear all.

Big mess in the middle of the band tonight. I assume that's CFH loud, proud
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The grabber is on: http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab

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Hi Dave yup its there though not that strong with me yet. Keep an eye it has
been going of around 2400z a lot recently....I guess the night shift want a
bit of peace !!
Alan

----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Pick" <dave@picks.force9.co.uk>
To: "LF Group" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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Subject: LF: CFH


> Dear all.
>
> Big mess in the middle of the band tonight. I assume that's CFH loud,
proud
> and wide?
>
> The grabber is on: http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab
>
> Dave G3YXM
>
>



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Dave,

> Big mess in the middle of the band tonight. I assume that's CFH loud,
proud
> and wide?

YES, THAT'S CFH.  Errrr.... sorry. I have to yell to be heard over the
racket.

John Andrews, W1TAG




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I wonder why the Navy is even running those things now... Most of our ships 
are overseas and our sub fleet is 'grounded.' 


Quoting Alan Melia <Alan.Melia@btinternet.com>:

> Hi Dave yup its there though not that strong with me yet. Keep an eye it has
> been going of around 2400z a lot recently....I guess the night shift want a
> bit of peace !!
> Alan
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Pick" <dave@picks.force9.co.uk>
> To: "LF Group" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: 04 February 2005 23:35
> Subject: LF: CFH
> 
> 
> > Dear all.
> >
> > Big mess in the middle of the band tonight. I assume that's CFH loud,
> proud
> > and wide?
> >
> > The grabber is on: http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab
> >
> > Dave G3YXM
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 






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Has anyone ever checked with the power companies to see what, if
anything, they do to protect the power grid in the vicinity of CFH and
other LF transmitters?

Jay

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" <sthed475@telus.net>
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Subject: Re: LF: Re: CFH


> I wonder why the Navy is even running those things now... Most of our
ships
> are overseas and our sub fleet is 'grounded.'
>
>
> Quoting Alan Melia <Alan.Melia@btinternet.com>:
>
> > Hi Dave yup its there though not that strong with me yet. Keep an
eye it has
> > been going of around 2400z a lot recently....I guess the night shift
want a
> > bit of peace !!
> > Alan
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dave Pick" <dave@picks.force9.co.uk>
> > To: "LF Group" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: 04 February 2005 23:35
> > Subject: LF: CFH
> >
> >
> > > Dear all.
> > >
> > > Big mess in the middle of the band tonight. I assume that's CFH
loud,
> > proud
> > > and wide?
> > >
> > > The grabber is on: http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab
> > >
> > > Dave G3YXM
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>



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From: "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" <sthed475@telus.net>
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Jay 

Here in the lower mainland BC where CKN is located the electrical grid is 
controlled via microwave links.  Only some remote places such as some 
locations on Vancouver Is have older LF stuff for comms.

Scott


Quoting Jay Rusgrove <JRusgrove@comcast.net>:

> Has anyone ever checked with the power companies to see what, if
> anything, they do to protect the power grid in the vicinity of CFH and
> other LF transmitters?
> 
> Jay
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" <sthed475@telus.net>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 7:30 PM
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: CFH
> 
> 
> > I wonder why the Navy is even running those things now... Most of our
> ships
> > are overseas and our sub fleet is 'grounded.'
> >
> >
> > Quoting Alan Melia <Alan.Melia@btinternet.com>:
> >
> > > Hi Dave yup its there though not that strong with me yet. Keep an
> eye it has
> > > been going of around 2400z a lot recently....I guess the night shift
> want a
> > > bit of peace !!
> > > Alan
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dave Pick" <dave@picks.force9.co.uk>
> > > To: "LF Group" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > > Sent: 04 February 2005 23:35
> > > Subject: LF: CFH
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dear all.
> > > >
> > > > Big mess in the middle of the band tonight. I assume that's CFH
> loud,
> > > proud
> > > > and wide?
> > > >
> > > > The grabber is on: http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab
> > > >
> > > > Dave G3YXM
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 





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On Fri, 4 Feb 2005, jannsen wrote:
> >
> Hi Alex,
> 
> thanks for the pic report.
> 
> guess I have your locator somewhere but cant find it.
> 
> would you pse give me the locator agn?

It is MO64RX. 3991km.

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb




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Hi Dave,

Certainly it was CFH. Have been watching the QRSS galore from home, and 
saw the same "nebula" centered on 137.00 kHz, and it didn't look like 
the usual SMPSU-noise.

Will be QRV from DF0WD later this morning, looking for some 
2-way-actitivity.

73,  Wolf  DL4YHF .


Dave Pick schrieb:

>Dear all.
>
>Big mess in the middle of the band tonight. I assume that's CFH loud, proud
>and wide?
>
>The grabber is on: http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab
>
>Dave G3YXM
>  
>



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Wolf, sri, "M" copy over here, but it´s raining now and I have a problem
with loading coil.

73 de José, EA1PX




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After the early fade in of XGJ around 2215z last night. Late fade out
of XES this morning. Copied the last "XES" string 0820-0850z. Local
sunrise here was at 0653z.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut Wolff
Locator:JO52ho
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Fair/good copy of YU7AR last night.

73
Joe VO1NA



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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//DE"><HTML><HEAD><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><TITLE>Message</TITLE></HEAD><BODY>Hi Jose,<br>
<br>
Oh, best sunny blue sky in germany at the moment. Antenna very happy
with frosty ground - and the OP very happy to have worked you finally
(very nice signal,&nbsp; thanks for the QSO we had a bit later). <br>
<br>
Now see F6BWO calling you in QRSS3, so you may have a busy afternoon.<br>
Interesting to see your signal getting stronger and stronger now !<br>
<br>
73, Wolf DL4YHF (at DF0WD this moment, sent via webmail).<br><br>
<br><br>
--- original Nachricht Ende ----<br><br>
<br>Wolf, sri, "M" copy over here, but it´s raining now and I have a problem<br>
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<br>
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Hello Joe ,Alex , Dmitry and other,


Tanks for report, I transmit today also all night .

73  Teo  YU7AR ; Z38AR




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JC> Fair/good copy of YU7AR last night.

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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Hello World,<BR>
<BR>
here come our signals ;-) I intend to join Teo again tonight on 135922.3/.4 DFCW, starting about 22:00. Anybody else?<BR>
<BR>
Last night there was an unintended change of frequency, 1.16 Hz down since 00:57. It's a known problem that the AC97 sound driver sometimes changes the samplerate slightly when another application (in this case the AOL client) requests audio output. The workaround is stopping and restarting the DAC in SpecLab.<BR>
<BR>
The screen grabber is running in "inverted LSB" now with 138500 zero beat; hence the alias image of DCF39 near the top of screen. This is to fix problems with audio harmonics when transmitting near the lower band edge. <BR>
<BR>
73 and good luck to all<BR>
<BR>
Markus, DF6NM<BR>
<BR>
In einer eMail vom 05.02.2005 17:18:10 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu: <BR>
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Tanks for report, I transmit today also all night .<BR>
<BR>
73&nbsp; Teo&nbsp; YU7AR ; Z38AR<BR>
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<font size=3>To All from PA0SE<br><br>
Markus,&nbsp; DF6NM wrote:<br>
::<br>
</font><blockquote type=cite class=cite cite=""><font size=2>Hello
World,<br><br>
here come our signals ;-) I intend to join Teo again tonight on
135922.3/.4 DFCW, starting about 22:00. Anybody else?<br>
</font></blockquote><font size=3>Yes, I intend to be on the air as well
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I will pull my crystal a bit lower than my usual 135922 Hz to avoid
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73, 73, PA0SE</font></body>
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MarkusVester@aol.com wrote:
> Hello World,
> 
> here come our signals ;-) I intend to join Teo again tonight on 
> 135922.3/.4 DFCW, starting about 22:00. Anybody else?

Markus,

I'll be watching the TA window again tonight (920.5 - 923.5).  Last 
night my QRN level was high so nothing seen.

Dex


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Hi Uwe,

my locator now is KN05BW

 73 Teo YU7AR


Hello jannsen,

Saturday, February 5, 2005, 10:50:45 PM, you wrote:

j> Hi Teo, 

j> your locator pse

j> regards
j> Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv



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In view of the improving conditions I'll be in the 'CQ Crossband' mode
tonight, looking for any callers on 80m and 40m CW. If you would prefer to
call on SSB, please let me know where to listen for you.

0400Z (Feb 6) - 0700Z

I will CQ on the hour and half hour on 137.5735

Mode: QRSS20 with dash/dot ratio of 2:1

I will listen for two minutes for replies on 3.555MHz CW and 7.055MHz CW at
the end of each CQ.

For more information on crossband procedures and valid QSO requirements
please see:

http://www.imagenisp.com/jsm/Crossband.html

I hope to hear you calling tonight!

73

Steve / VE7SL / Mayne Island, BC CN88iu






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Markus

I've been monitoring the past few nights as well - no identifiable
signals. Will continue to run overnight captures whenever EU stations
indicate that they are making overnight transmissions. The best TA times
here generally seem to be 0500 - 0800 Z.

Jay, W1VD

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dexter McIntyre W4DEX" <dmcintyre@att.net>
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> MarkusVester@aol.com wrote:
> > Hello World,
> >
> > here come our signals ;-) I intend to join Teo again tonight on
> > 135922.3/.4 DFCW, starting about 22:00. Anybody else?
>
> Markus,
>
> I'll be watching the TA window again tonight (920.5 - 923.5).  Last
> night my QRN level was high so nothing seen.
>
> Dex
>



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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//DE"><HTML><HEAD><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><TITLE>Message</TITLE></HEAD><BODY>Greetings all,<br>
<br>
Lots of activity in the european TX window at the moment, furthermore nice signals from ..<br>
<br>
RA3YO 137.703&nbsp; "m".."o"<br>
SP5ZCC 137.710&nbsp; "o" (partly audible during your CW over, Marek !)<br>
<br>
OH5UFO 137.699 (earlier sat evening)<br>
DF6NM 137.500 (nice PSK31 QSO, thanks Markus)<br>
HA6PC 137.760 (earlier)<br>
DM2BHG, DL2HRE, OK2BVG, S75A, YU7AR, PA0BWL,&nbsp; (all heard/seen earlier today)<br>
<br>
CFH audible .<br>
<br>
Good luck all TA'ers ,<br>
<br>
73 Wolf&nbsp; DF0WD / DL4YHF <br>
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Very early fade in of WD2XGJ. Traces since 2115z. Fully readable since
2300z. Great signal Warren!


Screenshot:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut Wolff
Locator:JO52ho
www.h-wolff.de



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Yes a strong signal here solid from at least 2300z and beating my noise
level !!

Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Hartmut Wolff" <wolff.h@t-online.de>
To: "rsgb_lf_group @ blacksheep . org" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>;
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Subject: LF: XGJ 5th Feb


> Very early fade in of WD2XGJ. Traces since 2115z. Fully readable since
> 2300z. Great signal Warren!
>
>
> Screenshot:
>
> http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm
>
>
> 73
> Hartmut Wolff
> Locator:JO52ho
> www.h-wolff.de
>
>



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Dear LF,<BR>
<BR>
see my antenna beneath the stars, bearing 15kV of RF ...<BR>
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/df6nm/antenna_at_night.jpg">http://members.aol.com/df6nm/antenna_at_night.jpg</A> <BR>
<BR>
Markus, DF6NM<BR>
</FONT></HTML>

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Since 0045z solid copy of "XES" in DFCW60, too.



Screenshot:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut Wolff
Locator:JO52ho
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> MarkusVester@aol.com wrote:
> 
>> Hello World,
>>
>> here come our signals ;-) I intend to join Teo again tonight on 
>> 135922.3/.4 DFCW, starting about 22:00. Anybody else?
> 
> 
Looks like someone's signal on .923 is trying to override the QRN here 
in NC.  Will do captures the rest of the night and also auto uploads at:

http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz.html

Dex


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Wolf,
  Thanks for the report. I've not changed anything, must be good propagation.

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi


> Very early fade in of WD2XGJ. Traces since 2115z. Fully readable since
> 2300z. Great signal Warren!
> 
> 
> Screenshot:
> 
> http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm
> 
> 
> 73
> Hartmut Wolff
> Locator:JO52ho
> www.h-wolff.de
> 
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Dear LF,

prop was not very good last night. It was nothing till 22-30Z when 'YU'
sudently appeares. Signal was copied not too much time only 'YU' was
seeing. Again sigs appeare near 23-30Z and YU7AR was seeing till 03-00Z.
At 00-00Z appeares someone more. It was undecodable and then dissappeares
till at 01-00Z sigs grows and I have O copy 'T6BHZ'. Certanly this was
SM6BHZ  wich was seeing till 02-00Z. It is interesting SM6BHZ appeares
very quickly. It was absolutely nothing and suddently second dash of
'M' letter appeares very strong. Prop was opened in few minutes!
Such a story...

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb




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"Joe Craig" <jcraig@mun.ca> schrieb:
> Fair/good copy of YU7AR last night.
> 
> 73
> Joe VO1NA
> 
> 
> 



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Good sigs from SM6BHZ along with traces of 2-3 others.
Much QRM from the mains.

73
Joe VO1NA



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This capture was from early in the evening as qrm picked up overnight.
Can't ID from what's there but  RX setup is GPS disciplined so frequency
is very accurate. Anyone care to claim this signal?

 Jay, W1VD


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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Dear Jay and LF Group,<BR>
<BR>
well done, your capture looks very much like "bhz" from Gus.<BR>
<BR>
Between my dashes, the grabber recorded nighttime activity from five European stations around 135.922 kHz:<BR>
<BR>
 923.00 SM6BHZ<BR>
 922.66 YU7AR<BR>
 922.40 / .30 DF6NM<BR>
 921.60 unid northwesterly, maybe G?<BR>
 921.0 / 920.5 PA0SE (drifting down by ~0.3Hz later)<BR>
<BR>
Thanks for watching!<BR>
<BR>
73 de Markus, DF6NM<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
In einer eMail vom 06.02.2005 13:36:52 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt JRusgrove@comcast.net: <BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">This capture was from early in the evening as qrm picked up overnight.<BR>
Can't ID from what's there but&nbsp; RX setup is GPS disciplined so frequency<BR>
is very accurate. Anyone care to claim this signal?<BR>
<BR>
Jay, W1VD<BR>
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Jay Rusgrove wrote:
> This capture was from early in the evening as qrm picked up overnight.
> Can't ID from what's there but  RX setup is GPS disciplined so frequency
> is very accurate. Anyone care to claim this signal?

The same signal showed up here between 0315z and 0345Z.  Nothing seen 
after that.

Dex


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Markus

Thanks for the info.

I'll review last nights captures in more detail later today to see if I
can glean any other bits and pieces based on your list. Nothing else
stood out at first glance.

Anytime the EU stations post that they'll be transmitting overnight I'll
run captures.

Jay, W1VD

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Dear Jay and LF Group,

well done, your capture looks very much like "bhz" from Gus.

Between my dashes, the grabber recorded nighttime activity from five
European
stations around 135.922 kHz:

 923.00 SM6BHZ
 922.66 YU7AR
 922.40 / .30 DF6NM
 921.60 unid northwesterly, maybe G?
 921.0 / 920.5 PA0SE (drifting down by ~0.3Hz later)

Thanks for watching!

73 de Markus, DF6NM


In einer eMail vom 06.02.2005 13:36:52 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
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JRusgrove@comcast.net:

> This capture was from early in the evening as qrm picked up overnight.
> Can't ID from what's there but  RX setup is GPS disciplined so
frequency
> is very accurate. Anyone care to claim this signal?
>
> Jay, W1VD
>




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Sorry Joe, pushed the wrong key when I read your postings.
But is there one of your's in the crowded sigs?
UTC was 22.33.10!

73 Bernd, DF8ZR

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"Joe Craig" <jcraig@mun.ca> schrieb:
> Fair/good copy of YU7AR last night.
> 
> 73
> Joe VO1NA
> 
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DF6NM wrote:
> Between my dashes, the grabber recorded nighttime activity from five
> European stations around 135.922 kHz:
> 
>  923.00 SM6BHZ
>  922.66 YU7AR
>  922.40 / .30 DF6NM
>  921.60 unid northwesterly, maybe G?
>  921.0 / 920.5 PA0SE (drifting down by ~0.3Hz later)

The G? was probably me, transmitting on 135921.25kHz.

Mike, G3XDV
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It seems the opposite  direction worked much better. Excellent signals
from WD2XES and WD2XGJ last night. Some fading between 0300-0430z but
than again strong signals. The attached screenshot shows 0045-0230z.



More captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut Wolff
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www.h-wolff.de
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bernd grupe schrieb:
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Hi all,

DJ8WX will be on the air the coming nights. mode QRSS60, QRG 135,9224kHz.

BTW. Markus, the coils dont get warm not even lukewarm(4mm diam. wire) 
but for fear that old Tessla would be active I stopped the transmittings.

regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv






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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Dear LF Group,<BR>
<BR>
it's a quiet and cold night, no wind, the antenna is up ... might as well feed it! Will run my usual 200 W (should be ~400mW ERP) from 22:00 to 8:00 or so. Frequency below Uwe perhaps&nbsp; 922.1/.2 DFCW, or any other free pair if that should be in use.<BR>
<BR>
Uwe, I'm not quite sure about coil safety - the main risk seems to be E-field burns and arcing. The magnetic field in my indoor variometer (about 1600 A/m) is way above the recommended exposure limit of 5 A/m, but I have not felt any heat sensation when carefully approaching the coil with my hand from the "cold" side. But I do feel a lot more relaxed since the setup is covered by a plastic basket - it prevents our curious and "radiophile" cats from sneaking in and getting burnt.<BR>
<BR>
Hartmut, your signal reports and images are really motivating - excellent stuff.<BR>
<BR>
73 and good luck<BR>
Markus<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
In einer eMail vom 06.02.2005 19:54:11 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt 0482183881-0001@t-online.de: <BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">DJ8WX will be on the air the coming nights. mode QRSS60, QRG 135,9224kHz.<BR>
<BR>
BTW. Markus, the coils dont get warm not even lukewarm(4mm diam. wire) <BR>
but for fear that old Tessla would be active I stopped the transmittings.<BR>
<BR>
regards<BR>
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
</FONT></HTML>

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José,

nice signal on 137702 here in JO52ho. See attachement.

73

Hartmut
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 Hartmut, thanks for excellent report once again, I have now a lot of
crashes
 from storms around my country.

 73 de José, EA1PX



> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Hartmut Wolff" <wolff.h@t-online.de>
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> > José,
> >
> > nice signal on 137702 here in JO52ho. See attachement.
> >
> > 73
> >
> > Hartmut
>



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Dear Group,

We finally got a bit of sun today so I put most of the 100 metre
wire back in the air.  The average height is about 6 metres and the
peak is about 15 metres.  It is shaped as an inverted V.

It took about 1.6 mH to load, but the aerial current is quite low--
0.8 A so it's not much better than the 160m beverage that was used
recently. The effective height should be greater so signals should be
a bit stronger.   Will be on at ~2330 tonight QRSS120.

Thanks to Brian CT1DRP for alerting me to the frequency drift of +0.06Hz.
This has been corrected using the nearby LORAN line and hopefully the
sigs will be closer to 137.777 kHz.

73
Joe




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Reception limited by static crashes again last night - presume it was
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If EU stations will be transmitting again tonight I'll run tandem
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Owner may claim signal from the snipits below...

Jay, W1VD



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Jay,

> Owner may claim signal from the snipits below...

I'm guessing DJ8WX. Uwe, was that you?

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Greetings,

02/07/05 12:39:11, "Jay Rusgrove" <JRusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:

>Reception limited by static crashes again last night - presume it was
>from the storm out over the Atlantic.

Concur, but better than last few nights.  A few smudges here and there, one 
attached.

        Cheers,

                Steve        W3EEE



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After the early fade in reception of XES and XGJ was poorer than
the night before. There was a lot of fading during the night.
Good reception of the QRSS120 signal from VO1NA.

  
Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
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Steve Dove schrieb:
> Greetings,
>
> 02/07/05 12:39:11, "Jay Rusgrove" <JRusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >Reception limited by static crashes again last night - presume it was
> >from the storm out over the Atlantic.
>
> Concur, but better than last few nights.  A few smudges here and there, one 
> attached.
>
>         Cheers,
>
>                 Steve        W3EEE
>
>
>
Hi Steve,
the line is on the QRG I transmitted on. the two dots behind the desturbed dash 
in the middle of the pic seem to be from the eight in my callsign. 

regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv



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John Andrews schrieb:
> Jay,
>
> > Owner may claim signal from the snipits below...
>
> I'm guessing DJ8WX. Uwe, was that you?
>
> John A.
>
>
Hi John,

yes, I would say so.

regards
Uwe/dj8w/jo43sv



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Jay Rusgrove schrieb:
> Reception limited by static crashes again last night - presume it was
> from the storm out over the Atlantic.
>
> If EU stations will be transmitting again tonight I'll run tandem
> captures in QRSS 60 in addition to QRSS30.
>
> Owner may claim signal from the snipits below...
>
> Jay, W1VD
>
>
>
Hi Jay,
thanks for the pics.
QRG is correct (135,9224kHz) and I read "8WX", so I would claim that its a line 
of the DJ8WX transmission.
what time was it?

Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv



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jannsen wrote:
> Steve Dove schrieb:> 

>>>>"Jay Rusgrove" <JRusgrove@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>Reception limited by static crashes again last night - presume it was
> >>>from the storm out over the Atlantic.
>>
>>Concur, but better than last few nights.  A few smudges here and there, one 
>>attached.
>>

I caught just a few traces of that signal here in NC around 0500Z.  QRN 
was much higher here than the night before because I even lost the 
normal loran lines.

Dex


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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Uwe</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The&nbsp;captures&nbsp;were from 0500 - 0600Z. 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jay, W1VD</FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  <DIV><BR></DIV>Jay Rusgrove schrieb:<BR>&gt; Reception limited by static 
  crashes again last night - presume it was<BR>&gt; from the storm out over the 
  Atlantic.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; If EU stations will be transmitting again tonight 
  I'll run tandem<BR>&gt; captures in QRSS 60 in addition to 
  QRSS30.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Owner may claim signal from the snipits 
  below...<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Jay, W1VD<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt;<BR>Hi 
  Jay,<BR>thanks for the pics.<BR>QRG is correct (135,9224kHz) and I read "8WX", 
  so I would claim that its a line <BR>of the DJ8WX transmission.<BR>what time 
  was it?<BR><BR>Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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WD2XDW is back on 137,7753 and 137,7756 Khz DFCW 90, dash high, "XDW" with 
slow CW id at the beginning. I may switch off the CW ID if it gets too wide 
and causes interference.

1Kw and around 35A aerial current no changes in tuning since I left it about 
ten days ago... no new nesting critters in the ATU house either.

The freqs may not be exact but within a few points of a Hz for a while as 
the W@G sometimes locks 0.2Hz low for some reason..

Laurence KL1X/5 EM26AQ Bartlesville OK (just),




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Anyone claim this one? 775.5=137775.5Hz

73
Hartmut Wolff
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Hi Hartmut I think I can see that too, but there is also a very similar
trace here 137.7765/6. No sign of Joe yet though I have had a couple of
elements on Warren's frequency. I should be better now as my local noise has
decreased.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia(at)btinternet.com

----- Original Message -----
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> Anyone claim this one? 775.5=137775.5Hz
>
> 73
> Hartmut Wolff
> Locator:JO52ho
> www.h-wolff.de



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having some issues with the DTR/CTS drivers hence running sort of QRSS 60 at 
the moment...

>From: "Laurence KL1X" <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
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>CC: vernall@xtra.co.nz, mcalevey@xtra.co.nz, kirkw3@yahoo.com
>Subject: LF: XDW back on  7th Feb 2145Z
>Date: Mon, 07 Feb 2005 12:50:24 -0900
>
>WD2XDW is back on 137,7753 and 137,7756 Khz DFCW 90, dash high, "XDW" with 
>slow CW id at the beginning. I may switch off the CW ID if it gets too wide 
>and causes interference.
>
>1Kw and around 35A aerial current no changes in tuning since I left it 
>about ten days ago... no new nesting critters in the ATU house either.
>
>The freqs may not be exact but within a few points of a Hz for a while as 
>the W@G sometimes locks 0.2Hz low for some reason..
>
>Laurence KL1X/5 EM26AQ Bartlesville OK (just),
>
>
>




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DJ8WX only last night. Nothing more. FREQ was very noisy.

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb




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Hi all,

We are planning some LF DX activity from Quartz Hill on 4 and 5 March.  Our 
main objective will be to attempt two-way contacts with VE7 and RU6, so most 
of our time is likely to be in "QSO mode" rather than "beacon mode".  Until 
such time as we may make contact we will be calling with the full ZM2E call 
sign, with FSK (DFCW) transmission, so other listeners could monitor the 
frequency to see if they have any useful reception.  This time our LF 
booking at Quartz Hill does not clash with an HF contest booking, so we will 
arrange for 20 and 40 metre HF liaison channels, and so provide a means to 
have LF/HF crossband contacts, or general HF/HF contacts.  The LF call sign 
will be ZM2E.  The HF call sign will be either ZL6QH or one of the operators 
personal call signs.  Operators are expected to be Andrew ZL2BBJ, Mike ZL4OL 
and myself Bob ZL2CA.

More information on LF frequencies and dot length will be posted before the 
event, as will the nominal HF liaison channels.

73, Bob ZL2CA 




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<DIV>There are two old reels of what may be litz wire listed on ebay.co.uk from a seller in Margate.</DIV>
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Jay Rusgrove schrieb:
> No signals on overnight captures... poor DST numbers and noisey
> conditions...
>
> Jay, W1VD
>
>
Hi Jay,

Ill try agn this night.

regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv



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Alexander S. Yurkov schrieb:
>
> DJ8WX only last night. Nothing more. FREQ was very noisy.
>
> 73 de RA9MB/Alex
> http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb
>
>
>
thanks for the report Alex

regards
Uwe/dj8wxjo43sv



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Dear LF,
135922 was too noisy last night. But DJ8WX and YU7AR solid copied.
Still no new callsigns...

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb




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Hello Teo, group,

perhaps I missed the info on the reflector: what was the locator from 
Z38AR at January 14?
Tu fer QSO, Teo - QSL to YU7AR?

73,
Tom, DK1IS



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Hello dear lf goup,

are there any infos about name and address of HA6PC from JN98XB?
We had a QSO at Feb. 5 - it was country no. 19 for me. Tu dr frd!

73,
Tom, DK1IS



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Nil...

Jay, W1VD


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Hello all:

I´m not sure if Boris, S57A,  is on the reflector, but thanks for the QSO
that we had last nigth on 137695-QRSS3. Both reports were "O".

73 de José, EA1PX, loc IN53ti







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Hi Alex, Propagation certainly was not as good as it has been recently.
there were only traces of John, Joe and Warren on my captures overnight. The
Coronal Hole high speed stream has had its effect on the D-layer and I think
there is a night-time absorbing layer. The plot from Brian CT1DRP shows
night-time received levels from DCF39 across Europe as 10dB below "normal",
and daytime signals enhanced by about 6 to 8dB (due possibly to a higher
ionisation in the D-layer?).  Hopefully as the Dst index has not risen too
much there should be a recovery of better conditions in a few days.

73 de Alan G3NYK
alan.melia(at)btinternet.com

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>
> There was nothing last night. Propogation gone?
>
> 73 de RA9MB/Alex
> http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb
>
>
>




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Jay Rusgrove wrote:
> More nil...
> 
> Jay, W1VD
> 
> 
Copy here was worse than nil.  Noise floor 10 dB above normal.

Dex

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Hi Alan,

Thanks for the encouraging report about the bad conditions...
I was starting to worry that my aerial was not working.
Yesterday I measured the FS and it was way down.  I went up
the hill and put a big insulator on the far end of the wire and
raised it up about 10 feet.  My aerial current went up by 50%!
It seems that the insulation on the wire was not very effective
when I had the far end tied off to a tree!

73
Joe



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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Well, some things keep working, anyway. Here's a 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>As we've observed before, Brian's more southerly 
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 Here more northerly I got a very weak copy of 2 "XES" strings
 0250-0350z. At that time I captured a few signs of the QRSS30 signal
 from "XGJ", too. Good copy of VO1NA 0200-0500z.

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Hartmut Wolff
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> Well, some things keep working, anyway. Here's a shot of WD2XGJ and WD2XES taken at CT1DRP's sunrise this morning:


> As we've observed before, Brian's more southerly location seems to do better when conditions are disturbed.

> John Andrews



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Hi Joe, Dexter, Alexander, Jay and group,

DJ8WX was not on the air:

when switching on the PA it seemed instead of that I triggered a machine gun:
three of the four MOSFETS exploded.

the aerial relais failed. 800W LF into the G0MRF pre-amp. 
result: see attachment.

the two transistors and one resistor (R4) were destroyed. meantime repaired.

I didnt open the PA yet.

regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv


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Hello Thomas,

locator from Z38AR is KN11BS, also Z38AV and Z37M,

73 Teo YU7AR;Z38AR


Wednesday, February 9, 2005, 8:51:25 AM, you wrote:

TK> Hello Teo, group,

TK> perhaps I missed the info on the reflector: what was the locator from
TK> Z38AR at January 14?
TK> Tu fer QSO, Teo - QSL to YU7AR?

TK> 73,
TK> Tom, DK1IS



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More nil...

Jay, W1VD


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There was nothing last night. Propogation gone?

73 de RA9MB/Alex
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Incomplete captures from CT1DRP last night show some faint but complete ID's
from WD2XGJ and WD2XES around 0530, and an incomplete WD2XDW ID around 0330.
Unfortunately, "my captures of his captures" crashed before the expected
sunrise buildup. This is the first XDW showing on Brian's screen in some
time, though I realize that Laurence was off during the recent good cndx.

John Andrews




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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "jannsen" <0482183881-0001@t-online.de>
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> 
> Hi Joe, Dexter, Alexander, Jay and group,
> 
> DJ8WX was not on the air...

----------------------------------

10./02/2005   2056z

Hello Uwe,

Be rassured, you are not alone if your silicium return to
wild conditions.
We sympathize with you.
 
Regards and 73: Jeff / F6CWN






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Nice copy 'RARARARARA...' around 135922 last night. Though this is RA3YO. 
Nothing more yet.

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb




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	LF Group

	Just a thought - having used QRSS-3 for a few weeks I notice that K
is used exclusively and KN not at all.
	I often catch the end of a transmission and consequently cannot tell
whether the station is sending CQ or already in a QSO.
	I therefore have to wait several minutes to see whether the station
repeats a CQ before replying.

	Is there not a case for using KN if passing transmission to a
specific station, as in normal CW ?
	The additional time in sending the N is surely well worth removing
the ambiguity of the situation.
	
	73 Chris G3XIZ

	

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Why not use what now seems to be standard practice and email him to ask his
intentions while telling him the next signal he sees will be yours ?

[half in humour ]

Bryan
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>
>
>
> LF Group
>
> Just a thought - having used QRSS-3 for a few weeks I notice that K
> is used exclusively and KN not at all.
> I often catch the end of a transmission and consequently cannot tell
> whether the station is sending CQ or already in a QSO.
> I therefore have to wait several minutes to see whether the station
> repeats a CQ before replying.
>
> Is there not a case for using KN if passing transmission to a
> specific station, as in normal CW ?
> The additional time in sending the N is surely well worth removing
> the ambiguity of the situation.
>
> 73 Chris G3XIZ
>
>
>
> This email is for the intended addressee only.
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obligation.
>
> EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259
> Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS,
England
>
>



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Chris,

Ok about KN.
But in QRSS or DFCW mode you don't have to waste time and wait for a QSO to 
end before calling one of the stations. Just move up or down a few Hz (or 
even less, depending on dotlength) from the QSO partner and give a call 
while the previous QSO is still going on.
On of the nice things about QRSS is that you can monitor more that one 
signal at the same time.

73, Rik  ON7YD

At 08:52 11/02/2005 +0000, you wrote:



>         LF Group
>
>         Just a thought - having used QRSS-3 for a few weeks I notice that K
>is used exclusively and KN not at all.
>         I often catch the end of a transmission and consequently cannot tell
>whether the station is sending CQ or already in a QSO.
>         I therefore have to wait several minutes to see whether the station
>repeats a CQ before replying.
>
>         Is there not a case for using KN if passing transmission to a
>specific station, as in normal CW ?
>         The additional time in sending the N is surely well worth removing
>the ambiguity of the situation.
>
>         73 Chris G3XIZ
>
>
>
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>Nothing in this email shall bind EADS Astrium Limited in any contract or 
>obligation.
>
>EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259
>Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, 
>England


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Hi Chris, I wondered about that some time ago, but the answer seems to be,
"dont be hung up on courtesy" ...send a call slightly off frequency so you
dont clash with possible DX answer. The sending station will probably see it
as well and any station he is working and you save a whole over by not
requiring the preliminaries. There was a period when it was suggested that
CQ was a bit long and "?" was adequate but that fell from use.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: QRSS - KN ?


>
>
>
> LF Group
>
> Just a thought - having used QRSS-3 for a few weeks I notice that K
> is used exclusively and KN not at all.
> I often catch the end of a transmission and consequently cannot tell
> whether the station is sending CQ or already in a QSO.
> I therefore have to wait several minutes to see whether the station
> repeats a CQ before replying.
>
> Is there not a case for using KN if passing transmission to a
> specific station, as in normal CW ?
> The additional time in sending the N is surely well worth removing
> the ambiguity of the situation.
>
> 73 Chris G3XIZ
>
>
>
> This email is for the intended addressee only.
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> Nothing in this email shall bind EADS Astrium Limited in any contract or
obligation.
>
> EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259
> Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS,
England
>


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Many thanks Rik,
I'll give it a try.
73 Chris G3XIZ

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: 11 February 2005 09:56:AM
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Subject: Re: LF: QRSS - KN ?


Chris,

Ok about KN.
But in QRSS or DFCW mode you don't have to waste time and wait for a QSO to 
end before calling one of the stations. Just move up or down a few Hz (or 
even less, depending on dotlength) from the QSO partner and give a call 
while the previous QSO is still going on.
On of the nice things about QRSS is that you can monitor more that one 
signal at the same time.

73, Rik  ON7YD

At 08:52 11/02/2005 +0000, you wrote:



>         LF Group
>
>         Just a thought - having used QRSS-3 for a few weeks I notice that
K
>is used exclusively and KN not at all.
>         I often catch the end of a transmission and consequently cannot
tell
>whether the station is sending CQ or already in a QSO.
>         I therefore have to wait several minutes to see whether the
station
>repeats a CQ before replying.
>
>         Is there not a case for using KN if passing transmission to a
>specific station, as in normal CW ?
>         The additional time in sending the N is surely well worth removing
>the ambiguity of the situation.
>
>         73 Chris G3XIZ
>
>
>
>This email is for the intended addressee only.
>If you have received it in error then you must not use, retain, 
>disseminate or otherwise deal with it.
>Please notify the sender by return email.
>The views of the author may not necessarily constitute the views of EADS 
>Astrium Limited.
>Nothing in this email shall bind EADS Astrium Limited in any contract or 
>obligation.
>
>EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259
>Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, 
>England


This email is for the intended addressee only.
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Nothing in this email shall bind EADS Astrium Limited in any contract or obligation.

EADS Astrium Limited, Registered in England and Wales No. 2449259
Registered Office: Gunnels Wood Road, Stevenage, Hertfordshire, SG1 2AS, England


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Many thanks Alan,

All noted with interest.
I am always apprehensive that I may not 'see' a DX station and inadvertently
call over the top of him.
Thus I tend to reply on a frequency some way removed from the calling
station... probably not ideal !

Good idea about the abbreviated CQ and I wondered about truncating '73'.
Perhaps there's a case for publishing a separate QRSS  'Code Book' using
only short duration characters (?)

73 Chris G3XIZ

-----Original Message-----
From: Alan Melia [mailto:Alan.Melia@btinternet.com]
Sent: 11 February 2005 10:01:AM
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Subject: LF: Re: QRSS - KN ?


Hi Chris, I wondered about that some time ago, but the answer seems to be,
"dont be hung up on courtesy" ...send a call slightly off frequency so you
dont clash with possible DX answer. The sending station will probably see it
as well and any station he is working and you save a whole over by not
requiring the preliminaries. There was a period when it was suggested that
CQ was a bit long and "?" was adequate but that fell from use.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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To: "LF Group (E-mail)" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 11 February 2005 08:52
Subject: LF: QRSS - KN ?


>
>
>
> LF Group
>
> Just a thought - having used QRSS-3 for a few weeks I notice that K
> is used exclusively and KN not at all.
> I often catch the end of a transmission and consequently cannot tell
> whether the station is sending CQ or already in a QSO.
> I therefore have to wait several minutes to see whether the station
> repeats a CQ before replying.
>
> Is there not a case for using KN if passing transmission to a
> specific station, as in normal CW ?
> The additional time in sending the N is surely well worth removing
> the ambiguity of the situation.
>
> 73 Chris G3XIZ
>
>
>
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>Good idea about the abbreviated CQ and I wondered about truncating '73'.
what about CU ?

73, Rik



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Hi Chris the abbreviation often used in place of "73" by many ops is "TU"
.... presumably "Thank You "  The other usage that I am sure you have seen
is after a CQ call the reply uses the suffix letters of the CQer only. After
that suffixes only are used.
"?" was also suggested in place of "QRZ"...."Q" codes are not very
"economical"!!

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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Subject: LF: RE: Re: QRSS - KN ?


>
> Many thanks Alan,
>
> All noted with interest.
> I am always apprehensive that I may not 'see' a DX station and
inadvertently
> call over the top of him.
> Thus I tend to reply on a frequency some way removed from the calling
> station... probably not ideal !
>
> Good idea about the abbreviated CQ and I wondered about truncating '73'.
> Perhaps there's a case for publishing a separate QRSS  'Code Book' using
> only short duration characters (?)
>
> 73 Chris G3XIZ
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Alan Melia [mailto:Alan.Melia@btinternet.com]
> Sent: 11 February 2005 10:01:AM
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Re: QRSS - KN ?
>
>
> Hi Chris, I wondered about that some time ago, but the answer seems to be,
> "dont be hung up on courtesy" ...send a call slightly off frequency so you
> dont clash with possible DX answer. The sending station will probably see
it
> as well and any station he is working and you save a whole over by not
> requiring the preliminaries. There was a period when it was suggested that
> CQ was a bit long and "?" was adequate but that fell from use.
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "OSBORN, Chris" <Chris.OSBORN@astrium.eads.net>
> To: "LF Group (E-mail)" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: 11 February 2005 08:52
> Subject: LF: QRSS - KN ?
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > LF Group
> >
> > Just a thought - having used QRSS-3 for a few weeks I notice that K
> > is used exclusively and KN not at all.
> > I often catch the end of a transmission and consequently cannot tell
> > whether the station is sending CQ or already in a QSO.
> > I therefore have to wait several minutes to see whether the station
> > repeats a CQ before replying.
> >
> > Is there not a case for using KN if passing transmission to a
> > specific station, as in normal CW ?
> > The additional time in sending the N is surely well worth removing
> > the ambiguity of the situation.
> >
> > 73 Chris G3XIZ
> >
> >
> >
> > This email is for the intended addressee only.
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> disseminate or otherwise deal with it.
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> Astrium Limited.
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> England
> >
>
>
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If one has DFCW capability, numbers such as 73 can be
transmitted in binary form. For example, a 7-bit DFCW
"word" has a range 0..127. No other CW character has as
many as 7 elements so there should be no risk of
confusing it with other characters.

-__-__- = 64 + 0 + 0 + 8 + 0 + 0 + 1 = 73

This format will only save time if the number has more than one
digit since all "normal" digits are just 5T long in DFCW mode.

Just a wild idea... :-)

73
Johan SM6LKM

BTW, 0x73 + 0x88 = 0xFB


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Move with the times!
 Let it be understood that "best wishes to any ham station contacted"  is
default mode . Then  one need send nothing unless  these wishes are to be
cancelled ? The 'undo' code for that could be "37"

Bryan G3GVB


----- Original Message -----
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> If one has DFCW capability, numbers such as 73 can be
> transmitted in binary form. For example, a 7-bit DFCW
> "word" has a range 0..127. No other CW character has as
> many as 7 elements so there should be no risk of
> confusing it with other characters.
>
> -__-__- = 64 + 0 + 0 + 8 + 0 + 0 + 1 = 73
>
> This format will only save time if the number has more than one
> digit since all "normal" digits are just 5T long in DFCW mode.
>
> Just a wild idea... :-)
>
> 73
> Johan SM6LKM
>
> BTW, 0x73 + 0x88 = 0xFB
>
>
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Johan and LF Group

I like the idea of a binary code.

One could also use normal QRSS, a dot being a 'space' and a dash a 'mark'.
Thus one would have a code book of 127 phrases (or better still 256 for an
8-bit word)
A lot more information could then be passed than for a 'normal' QRSS
contact..   e.g.  (Bin) 100 - Wx stormy, 101- windy, 102 - light wind, 103 -
still . . . 104 heavy rain, 105 light rain, 106 drizzle . . . 
110 - my age is less than 20, 111: 20-30, 112: 30-40 ...

Nothing's new; Nelson's Royal Navy used to send complex messages using a
handful of flags !

73 Chris G3XIZ

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If one has DFCW capability, numbers such as 73 can be
transmitted in binary form. For example, a 7-bit DFCW
"word" has a range 0..127. No other CW character has as
many as 7 elements so there should be no risk of
confusing it with other characters.

-__-__- = 64 + 0 + 0 + 8 + 0 + 0 + 1 = 73

This format will only save time if the number has more than one
digit since all "normal" digits are just 5T long in DFCW mode.

Just a wild idea... :-)

73
Johan SM6LKM

BTW, 0x73 + 0x88 = 0xFB


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captbrian wrote:
>  Let it be understood that "best wishes to any ham station contacted"  is
> default mode . Then  one need send nothing unless  these wishes are to be
> cancelled ? The 'undo' code for that could be "37"

I like the idea of omitting default information from the transmission.
This philosophy can be extended even further: Default QSOs can be had
without sending anything at all! Signal reports are not needed as no
signals are transmitted. No need to send your own callsign because the
other station doesn't listen anyway and no need to send his callsign
because he already knows it.

Information that deviates from the default can be sent through another
channel e.g. e-mail.

There is a lot of advantages. For example, a considerable reduction of
both transmitter power and antenna size is possible. It may even be
possible to use an artificial antenna.

See:
http://www.winforce.org.uk/MMARS/aa-licence.htm

73
Johan SM6LKM


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Hi All,

You could work DXCC on LF without switching the gear on !!!!!!!

Regards

Gary - G4WGT

Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor

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captbrian wrote:
>  Let it be understood that "best wishes to any ham station contacted"  is
> default mode . Then  one need send nothing unless  these wishes are to be
> cancelled ? The 'undo' code for that could be "37"

I like the idea of omitting default information from the transmission.
This philosophy can be extended even further: Default QSOs can be had
without sending anything at all! Signal reports are not needed as no
signals are transmitted. No need to send your own callsign because the
other station doesn't listen anyway and no need to send his callsign
because he already knows it.

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channel e.g. e-mail.

There is a lot of advantages. For example, a considerable reduction of
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See:
http://www.winforce.org.uk/MMARS/aa-licence.htm

73
Johan SM6LKM


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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Uwe</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry to hear about the&nbsp;fireworks. Please 
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Now we're getting there. Translating from Latin in my schooldays ; various
words in English which are an intrinsic part of Latin words we had to show
by " (understood)"

So "GM "  (understood by reference to the clock)  "OM"  (default generic
sexist assumption permissible ) "599" (by default of giving 4 or 7 or 8 )
73 (always understood by default)  "de " (obviously  intended so no need to
say ) call sign to be confirmed by QSL card or email. Thus :

"GM OM 599 73 de G3GVB  "  would be heard as utter silence, free from QRM
,QRN local noise and  front end blocking. You could do it while still lying
in bed on cold mornings.

QED



----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 11 February 2005 15:46
Subject: RE: LF: Re: RE: Re: QRSS - KN ?


> Hi All,
>
> You could work DXCC on LF without switching the gear on !!!!!!!
>
> Regards
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>
> Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Johan Bodin
> Sent: 11 February 2005 16:38
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: Re: LF: Re: RE: Re: QRSS - KN ?
>
>
> captbrian wrote:
> >  Let it be understood that "best wishes to any ham station contacted"
is
> > default mode . Then  one need send nothing unless  these wishes are to
be
> > cancelled ? The 'undo' code for that could be "37"
>
> I like the idea of omitting default information from the transmission.
> This philosophy can be extended even further: Default QSOs can be had
> without sending anything at all! Signal reports are not needed as no
> signals are transmitted. No need to send your own callsign because the
> other station doesn't listen anyway and no need to send his callsign
> because he already knows it.
>
> Information that deviates from the default can be sent through another
> channel e.g. e-mail.
>
> There is a lot of advantages. For example, a considerable reduction of
> both transmitter power and antenna size is possible. It may even be
> possible to use an artificial antenna.
>
> See:
> http://www.winforce.org.uk/MMARS/aa-licence.htm
>
> 73
> Johan SM6LKM
>
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You've heard about Echolink then?

Dave 'YXM 

-----Original Message-----
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captbrian wrote:
>  Let it be understood that "best wishes to any ham station contacted"  
> is default mode . Then  one need send nothing unless  these wishes are 
> to be cancelled ? The 'undo' code for that could be "37"

I like the idea of omitting default information from the transmission.
This philosophy can be extended even further: Default QSOs can be had
without sending anything at all! Signal reports are not needed as no signals
are transmitted. No need to send your own callsign because the other station
doesn't listen anyway and no need to send his callsign because he already
knows it.

Information that deviates from the default can be sent through another
channel e.g. e-mail.

There is a lot of advantages. For example, a considerable reduction of both
transmitter power and antenna size is possible. It may even be possible to
use an artificial antenna.

See:
http://www.winforce.org.uk/MMARS/aa-licence.htm

73
Johan SM6LKM


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Hi all, I have posted an updated report for the 11th as I have managed to
download Brian's data this evening. So it has the DCF39 plot for 10th/11th

www.alan.melia.btinternet.co.uk/latest.htm

Cheers de Alan G3NYK



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Dear LF,
nice copy YU7AR last night. Nothing more yet. I wonder is there another
beacons arround 135922. I can't imagine propogation to YU only but
YU7AR alone is seeing very nice every night.

73 de RA9MB/Alex
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Dear LF,

though I have finish my 'sound preprocessor' for Linux. Total
file length is abt 11 kbyte only (ziped source code, executable,
configfile example and small readme). Because file is too short
I have attach it to this letter.

73 de RA9MB/Alex
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It seems that conditions getting better now. Last night I copied
WD2XES, WD2XGJ and VO1NA on a good level.




Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut Wolff
Locator:JO52ho
www.h-wolff.de


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Hartmut Wolff wrote:

> It seems that conditions getting better now. Last night I copied
> WD2XES, WD2XGJ and VO1NA on a good level.

Nothing seen in this direction.  Was watching 135,920.5 to 135,923.7 kHz.

Dex


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<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//DE"><HTML><HEAD><META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; charset=us-ascii"><TITLE>Message</TITLE></HEAD><BODY>Hi Jose and Dmitry,<br>
<br>
both "o" at the moment on 137.703, almost the same frequency.<br>
(RA3YO in QRSS10, EA1PX in QRSS3). Maybe you both try something slower for a moment, maybe .....<br>
<br>
Jose, you are even stronger now than last week.&nbsp; Thanks for nice contact.<br>
<br>
73, Wolf&nbsp; <br>
&nbsp;DF0WD / DL4YHF .<br>



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137Khz stations XES, XFX, XGJ and XDW were received at dot 30/Argo last 
night here in Port Aransas at around 2100 cst. Port Aransas is just North of 
Corpus Christi on the Gulf Coast. The mobile set up, IC706Mk1 and L400 LF 
Engineering Eprobe on a quad mag mount We couldnt stay awake for West coast 
US signals. DCF39 was readable on Argo but not strong, and certainly not 
audible last night here.

John says its about 1700+ miles to XES/XGJ from here. We had some qrm from 
internals that made some signals M copy only. Lightning QRN was audible but 
not above S5 pks.

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Hi Joe,

I'm now in qrss20 from 21:10z

Dmitri

dl4yhf@freenet.de wrote:

>Hi Jose and Dmitry,
>
>both "o" at the moment on 137.703, almost the same frequency.
>(RA3YO in QRSS10, EA1PX in QRSS3). Maybe you both try something slower for a moment, maybe .....
>


>  
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Dear LF,
last night I have record sigs arround 135922  by my sound preprocessor
with time_compressing/freq_expansion factor of 200. Plaing this record
audible I have nice hear YU7AR. Thus QRSS120 can be recieved audible
as a conventional CW with this soft. On a spectrograph YU7AR is also nice
seeing of cose. 

Still no new callsigns.

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb




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Hi All at LF,

Can anyone tell me what the RTTY type signal is at about 136.170 KHz centre
frequency ? is it a true signal or am I getting an image ? I can still see &
hear it using 400 Hz CW filter. Its been there all day today (sunday 13th)
at good strength even when SXV was barely visible using Spec Lab but isn't
much stronger even now (1700z) & SXV really strong. I have noticed it for
many days now. I have searched for an image source at obvious frequencies &
found nothing.

Can you give me your observations please.

Regards

Gary - G4WGT

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Dear Dmitri, Jose, LF,

RA3YO "O" copy QRSS10 in IO91RM overnight. QRB about 2340km, I think.
Signals peaked around 0230-0330UTC. EA1PX good "O" copy QRSS3 at 0900 UTC,
"M" copy QRSS3 by 2243 UTC. Jose's signal is usually at it's strongest in
the morning, and fades as the day progresses.

73,

Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dmitry RA3YO
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Hi Joe,

I'm now in qrss20 from 21:10z

Dmitri

dl4yhf@freenet.de wrote:

>Hi Jose and Dmitry,
>
>both "o" at the moment on 137.703, almost the same frequency.
>(RA3YO in QRSS10, EA1PX in QRSS3). Maybe you both try something slower for
a moment, maybe .....
>


>
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Gary - G4WGT schrieb:
> Hi All at LF,
>
> Can anyone tell me what the RTTY type signal is at about 136.170 KHz centre
> frequency ? is it a true signal or am I getting an image ? I can still see &
> hear it using 400 Hz CW filter. Its been there all day today (sunday 13th)
> at good strength even when SXV was barely visible using Spec Lab but isn't
> much stronger even now (1700z) & SXV really strong. I have noticed it for
> many days now. I have searched for an image source at obvious frequencies &
> found nothing.
>
> Can you give me your observations please.
>
> Regards
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>

nil in JO43SV, Gary

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 Hi Gary,

> Can anyone tell me what the RTTY type signal is at about 136.170 KHz centre
> frequency ?

Nil in JO52ho, too.

73

Hartmut



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Good copy of XDW last night for half an hour about 1100utc. No other signals
seen.

Mike ZL4OL



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Dear  Dave and LF
 

Tanks for report, I transmit today again after 21z.

Dmitri 
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Hi Gary I have only just seen your message but I see nothing on that
frequency at the moment. I have been monitoring most of the day and I think
would have seen a strong signal on Spectran though it would be off screen on
ARGO.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK  JO02pb

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Subject: LF: RTTY signal


> Hi All at LF,
>
> Can anyone tell me what the RTTY type signal is at about 136.170 KHz
centre
> frequency ?



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Hi Alan & LF,

Its a strange one, I realise now that I have only been seeing this signal
since the LF vertical was damaged in the gales & I am now receiving on the
G3LNP loop which is untuned at the moment due to following Walter DI2AG on
440 KHz, maybe it is introducing a strong out of band signal (I can also
receive it weakly on the FT-747). I will try reconnecting the tuning cap &
tune it for 136 again & let you know.

Regards

Gary - G4WGT

Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor


-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alan Melia
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Subject: LF: Re: RTTY signal


Hi Gary I have only just seen your message but I see nothing on that
frequency at the moment. I have been monitoring most of the day and I think
would have seen a strong signal on Spectran though it would be off screen on
ARGO.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK  JO02pb


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From: "Alan Melia" <Alan.Melia@btinternet.com>
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Hi Gary, you are probably getting a big signal from around the natural
resonance of the loop. There are quite a lot of strong FSK signals in the
region around 400 to 600kHz you may be seeing a Navtext signal from 518
intermoding. Measure the strength of the RTTY and then put an attenuator in
front of the RX (say 6dB) if the FSK goes down more than 6dB it is intermod.
It will go down 12 dB for 2nd order and 18dB for 3rd order. That might be
enough to make it disappear completely. Tuning should also remove it of
course.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary - G4WGT" <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: 13 February 2005 21:22
Subject: LF: RE: Re: RTTY signal


> Hi Alan & LF,
>
> Its a strange one, I realise now that I have only been seeing this signal
> since the LF vertical was damaged in the gales & I am now receiving on the
> G3LNP loop which is untuned at the moment due to following Walter DI2AG on
> 440 KHz, maybe it is introducing a strong out of band signal (I can also
> receive it weakly on the FT-747). I will try reconnecting the tuning cap &
> tune it for 136 again & let you know.
>
> Regards
>
> Gary - G4WGT
>
> Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alan Melia
> Sent: 13 February 2005 20:58
> To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> Subject: LF: Re: RTTY signal
>
>
> Hi Gary I have only just seen your message but I see nothing on that
> frequency at the moment. I have been monitoring most of the day and I
think
> would have seen a strong signal on Spectran though it would be off screen
on
> ARGO.
>
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK  JO02pb
>
>
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Thanks Mike - the beacon has been on "auto" for the past 7 days or so - when 
I got back from near the Mex border this evening Sunday 13th Feb the Tx is 
down 0.75dB from "max" - probably a shift of the wires in the trees or more 
likely as the temps are in the 70's here and when I tuned the loop last the 
temp was 10F! Ill tune it in daylight tomorrow. Lots of dead branches on the 
ground so it looks like its been windy since we left

Ill be posting some shots of this last LF reception trip to Texas on the 
home page sometime tmw - Misc pages showing the LF set up on beaches and 
outside Starbucks coffee houses in Houston..

Thanks for looking.

Laurence KL1X/5


>From: "McAlevey" <mcalevey@xtra.co.nz>
>Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Subject: LF: XDW
>Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2005 09:13:51 +1300
>
>Good copy of XDW last night for half an hour about 1100utc. No other 
>signals
>seen.
>
>Mike ZL4OL
>
>




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Dear Gary,
         I read with interest that you are still looking to DI2AG. Did you
see it last days? Due to technical reasons it had only 0.5W ERP last week
and will still transmit QRP until sunday evening.
73   Walter DJ2LF

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Sonntag, 13. Februar 2005 22:22
Betreff: LF: RE: Re: RTTY signal


>Hi Alan & LF,
>
>Its a strange one, I realise now that I have only been seeing this signal
>since the LF vertical was damaged in the gales & I am now receiving on the
>G3LNP loop which is untuned at the moment due to following Walter DI2AG on
>440 KHz, maybe it is introducing a strong out of band signal (I can also
>receive it weakly on the FT-747). I will try reconnecting the tuning cap &
>tune it for 136 again & let you know.
>
>Regards
>
>Gary - G4WGT
>
>Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Alan Melia
>Sent: 13 February 2005 20:58
>To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>Subject: LF: Re: RTTY signal
>
>
>Hi Gary I have only just seen your message but I see nothing on that
>frequency at the moment. I have been monitoring most of the day and I think
>would have seen a strong signal on Spectran though it would be off screen
on
>ARGO.
>
>Cheers de Alan G3NYK  JO02pb
>
>
>--
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>



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Strong peaks of "XES" and "XGJ" 2330-0000z and around 0300z last
night. The attachement captured 0315z. At that time traces of both
signals were visible on a QRSS3 screen.
VO1NA was weaker than the night before, best 0400-0500z and around
0630z.

Nothing else copied.

More captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut Wolff
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Subject: [LW] Wilkinson combiner...
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Has anyone details or thoughts of these 
circuits?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am very curious of personal experiences with 
performing power combination&nbsp;with&nbsp;two transmitters.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Scott</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL'&nbsp; in 
CN89lg at:<BR><A 
href="http://www.scottboxx.com/radio">www.scottboxx.com/radio</A><BR></FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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<DIV>In a message dated 15/02/2005 09:03:50 GMT Standard Time, 
sthed475@telus.net writes:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 0px; MARGIN-LEFT: 0px"><FONT 
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Has anyone details or thoughts of these 
  circuits?</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am very curious of personal experiences with 
  performing power combination&nbsp;with&nbsp;two transmitters.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Scott</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL'&nbsp; in 
  CN89lg at:<BR><A title=http://www.scottboxx.com/radio 
  href="http://www.scottboxx.com/radio">www.scottboxx.com/radio</A><BR></FONT></DIV></FONT></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV>Hello Scott.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Couldn't get into the link this morning....</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Spooky........I've just built a wilkinson splitter today for 
67MHz.....</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I have made wilkinson splitters for a variety of frequencies but never as 
low as 136kHz.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The standard UHF / microwave wilkinson is made with&nbsp;two quarter 
wavelengths of transmission line. 75 Ohm coax or the microstrip equivalent is 
the norm.&nbsp;No chance for that on 136kHz (or drums of cable!) The 
cable&nbsp;idea works well from 10m to 70cms above that microstrip normally 
takes over.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The other technique is to put&nbsp;the usual balancing resistor of&nbsp;100 
Ohms between the two 50 Ohm sources (same phase)&nbsp;with a capacitor of 
XC&nbsp; 70 ohms to ground on each source.&nbsp;The two signals to be combined 
are then each fed through an inductor also XL = 70 ohms and joined at the far 
end.</DIV>
<DIV>The final component is a capacitor of XC 35 Ohms from the junction to 
ground.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>All you are doing with the capacitors and inductors is simulating the 
properties of a quarter wave length of coax, but with discrete components.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I've run 250 Watts like this and seen it done to 600W from 2 300W sources 
on 2m.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>I look forward to seeing how you get on</DIV>
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<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>Good luck</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>David&nbsp;&nbsp; G0MRF</DIV></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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Hi Scott,<br><br>
have a look here :
<a href="http://my.athenet.net/~multiplx/cgi-bin/wilk.main.cgi" eudora="autourl">http://my.athenet.net/~multiplx/cgi-bin/wilk.main.cgi</a><br><br>
73, Rik  ON7YD<br><br>
At 00:57 15/02/2005 -0800, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite><font face="arial" size=2>Has
anyone details or thoughts of these circuits?</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>I am very curious of personal experiences with
performing power combination with two transmitters.</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Regards,</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Scott</font><br>
&nbsp;<br>
<font face="arial" size=2>Check the status of radio beacon 'TIL'&nbsp; in
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<a href="http://www.scottboxx.com/radio">www.scottboxx.com/radio</a></font></blockquote></html>

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XDW was good copy last night from 0900 till 1215utc. The signal was readable
even with 30 second dot settings for much of that time.
No other signals were seen except for possible traces just above 137778.

Mike ZL4OL



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Dear LF Group,<BR>
<BR>
one thing worth considering is the phase shift between the transistors and the antenna input, including all filters and matching circuitry. I have always tried to keep that at 0° or 180°, as this lets the FET's see a series resonant load. This becomes a high impedance in case of antenna detuning or arcing, a safe condition for a class-D voltage source. Actually I have not lost a single FET in spite of several antenna faults (... knocking on wood as I write this ;-).<BR>
<BR>
Feeding a tap on the loading coil will introduce a phase shift close to 90°, showing impedance inversion. A Wilkinson combiner also adds in a quarterwave. But of course it is the total electrical length of the output chain at 137kHz that counts.<BR>
<BR>
73<BR>
Markus, DF6NM<BR>
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Hi Walter,

Thanks for your e-mail, I have not watched for a few days due to other
commitments, I will make a point of looking whilst you are on QRP & report
back. I hope your technical reason is not a serious one. One trouble I have
is a very high level of hash from about 430 to 450 KHz it is some sort of
switching power supply or similar, I have a dusk to dawn light on the garage
front about 8 mtr from the G3LNP loop & I suspect that, I am going to
disconnect it & if it is the cause I will fit a switch to turn it off when
required.

Regards

Gary - G4WGT

Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor


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Dear Gary,
         I read with interest that you are still looking to DI2AG. Did you
see it last days? Due to technical reasons it had only 0.5W ERP last week
and will still transmit QRP until sunday evening.
73   Walter DJ2LF

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Hello group,

DJ8WX will be on the air agn the next nights. 

PA repaired. I noticed a new sort of behaviour of IFRP450s. when in the past 
they exploded fragments were spread all over the PA. but the three newly 
exploded looked like intact. one cant rely on nothing!

regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv



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> PA repaired. I noticed a new sort of behaviour of IFRP450s. when in the
past
> they exploded fragments were spread all over the PA. but the three newly
> exploded looked like intact. one cant rely on nothing!

I hope you are complaining to the manufacturer about the inferior
pyrotechnic specs on this device!!

Steve / VE7SL

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Hi Uwe,

On Wed, 16 Feb 2005, jannsen wrote:
> 
> DJ8WX will be on the air agn the next nights. 
> 

Seems I have see Your sigs. But too weak, only 'D' and 'X' is decodable
realy.

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb




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Uwe

Sri - nothing last night.

Jay, W1VD


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To All from PA0SE

William, PA0WFO, has on loan a Ropex "The First"  LF transmitter.  Now I 
seem to remember that long ago someone had trouble when this TX was 
connected to a tap on the loading coil.

It would be nice if this info could be brought up again, saving William 
possible trouble.

73, Dick, PA0SE




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Hi Steve,

Just been reading PW (Practical Wireless) january 2005 edition, I see your
400mW Tuna Tin 2 feeding a sloping dipole on 7.040MHz has a mention on Rev
George Dobbs (G3RJV) column "Practical Way"

Regards

Gary - G4WGT

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Hi Walter,

What are your transmitting shedules at the moment? Not able to look last
night.

Regards

Gary - G4WGT

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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Walter Staubach
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Dear Gary,
         I read with interest that you are still looking to DI2AG. Did you
see it last days? Due to technical reasons it had only 0.5W ERP last week
and will still transmit QRP until sunday evening.
73   Walter DJ2LF


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Jay Rusgrove schrieb:
> Uwe
>
> Sri - nothing last night.
>
> Jay, W1VD
>
thanks Jay, thanks Alexander for the reports.

this night agn: 135,9224kHz QRSS60

regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv


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<DIV><BR><BR><B><I>jannsen &lt;0482183881-0001@t-online.de&gt;</I></B> wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">
<P>.<BR><BR>this night agn: 135,9224kHz QRSS60<BR><BR>regards<BR>Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv<BR><BR></P>
<P>Hello Uwe,</P>
<P>Also&nbsp; YU7AR on 135.9218 KHz QRSS60</P>
<P>73 and GL ,Teo&nbsp; </P>
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Dick

Have a look at
http://www.wireless.org.uk/ropex.htm

I put a pi network (LPF) in between and it worked. 

Dave G3YXM.

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73, Dick, PA0SE







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WD2XES will be running in Jason Slow mode tonight on 137.779 kHz. Reports
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Copy DJ8WX and YU7AR last night. Not too strong. DJ8WX is better then
YU7AR.

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb




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<font size=3>Thanks Dave,<br><br>
That is exactly the info that PA0WFO can use to his advantage.<br><br>
73, Dick, PA0SE<br><br>
At 22:22 16-2-05, you wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Dick<br><br>
Have a look at<br>
<a href="http://www.wireless.org.uk/ropex.htm" eudora="autourl">http://www.wireless.org.uk/ropex.htm</a><br><br>
I put a pi network (LPF) in between and it worked. <br><br>
Dave G3YXM.<br><br>
-----Original Message-----<br>
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<br>
[<a href="mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" eudora="autourl">mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</a>]
On Behalf Of Dick Rollema<br>
Sent: 16 February 2005 14:13<br>
To: LF-Group<br>
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Subject: LF: Matching Ropex<br><br>
To All from PA0SE<br><br>
William, PA0WFO, has on loan a Ropex &quot;The First&quot;&nbsp; LF
transmitter.&nbsp; Now I<br>
seem to remember that long ago someone had trouble when this TX was<br>
connected to a tap on the loading coil.<br><br>
It would be nice if this info could be brought up again, saving
William<br>
possible trouble.<br><br>
73, Dick, PA0SE</font></blockquote></body>
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Sri...no overnight captures due to operator error ;~(   Lots of static
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Dave Pick wrote:
> I put a pi network (LPF) in between and it worked. 

Yes, that's the "impedance inversion" Markus DF6NM wrote
about on the topic of "Wilkinson Combiner" recently.

A Pi filter with all X = Zo behaves like a lumped circuit
version of a quarter wave transmission line.

For 50 ohms and 136.75 kHz that is:

   C1 = 23.3 nF across, L = 58.2 uH along, C2 = 23.3 nF across

Open load => L and C2 in series resonance => input looks shorted
Load = 50 ohms => input = 50 ohms
Shorted load => L and C1 in parallel resonance => input looks open

73
Johan SM6LKM



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The puzzle is why the Ropex has problems with a 50 ohm match at 136kHz if
the coil is grounded? The match is the same on an SWR bridge whether the pi
cct is in circuit or not. The Ropex protection cct seems to be some kind of
overcurrent detector in the 50ohm output but I can't remember which side of
the internal LPF it is placed.
 
Dave G3YXM

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Dave Pick wrote:
> I put a pi network (LPF) in between and it worked. 

Yes, that's the "impedance inversion" Markus DF6NM wrote about on the topic
of "Wilkinson Combiner" recently.

A Pi filter with all X = Zo behaves like a lumped circuit version of a
quarter wave transmission line.

For 50 ohms and 136.75 kHz that is:

   C1 = 23.3 nF across, L = 58.2 uH along, C2 = 23.3 nF across

Open load => L and C2 in series resonance => input looks shorted Load = 50
ohms => input = 50 ohms Shorted load => L and C1 in parallel resonance =>
input looks open

73
Johan SM6LKM



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Good copy here between 0030-0200z.

Captures also from WD2XGJ and VO1NA can be seen here:

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Hi Dave,

> The puzzle is why the Ropex has problems with a 50 ohm match at 136kHz if
> the coil is grounded? The match is the same on an SWR bridge whether the pi
> cct is in circuit or not. The Ropex protection cct seems to be some kind of
> overcurrent detector in the 50ohm output but I can't remember which side of
> the internal LPF it is placed.

Hmmm... Maybe the Ropex protection circuit is TOO fast. 50 ohms is 50 ohms
for a steady state signal, true, but I think the circuit trips on the
key-down transient. With "hard keying" the inrush current into the antenna
can be quite high due to the high Q. An antenna with a Q of 50, or so, is
a very heavy "flywheel"! With 150W of feedline power, 5..10 kW (!) of reactive
power will be circulating in the antenna... It takes quite a big kick to
"spin it up" so to speak.

73
Johan SM6LKM


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Alexander S. Yurkov schrieb:
>
> Copy DJ8WX and YU7AR last night. Not too strong. DJ8WX is better then
> YU7AR.
>
> 73 de RA9MB/Alex
> http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb
>
>
>
thanks Alex, thanks Jay for the reports.
same procedure this night.

regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv



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John Andrews schrieb:
> WD2XES will be running in Jason Slow mode tonight on 137.779 kHz. Reports
> are welcome.
>
> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch
> WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com
>
>
>
Hewllo group,

I would like to transmitt in Jason mode too.
is the QRG 135,905..kHz ok?

regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv



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Saw DJ8WX last night. Sigs was very weak some letters are decodable only.

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb




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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Nothing to report on the overnight 
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Conditions did seem to die overnight. I saw some pieces of XES, XGJ and XDW
before 0200, but nothing after that. The solar wind speed had been picking
up since before 0000, and things seemed to drop off after the Kp jumped up.
It looks like we only got a couple of good nights out of the latest quiet
period. Guess it proves that you can't "wait for the weekend" to catch good
LF conditions.

John Andrews




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Copy of XDW last night from 1100 to 1230utc.

Mike ZL4OL


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This next week 19-26th Feb Laurence KL1X/M will be LF RX from Mexico in 
square area EL60 on the East coast of the Mayan Peninusular, South of 
Cancun, looking for EU and Stateside/VE/VJ et al  Lowfer and Part 5/Ham 
stations at night, and when not horizontally polarized with Sheri  in a 
local bar or worse. Its between 8000-9000Kms to most places in Eu but know 
its "dooable" given previous operations from XE and TI on LF

Operation will be from the car with  IC706Mk1 L400B quad magmount, Argo and 
Dellboy computer in a Hired Corsa (shd be cosy). No TX on HF sorry.


Let the Dst fall!

Previous operations from XE on the Pacific  coast in  Sept 2003 did net 
DCF39 but conditions at that time were poor and no other Eu stations were 
seen.

Part 5 WD2XDW will continue "on" in remote operation or till the main house 
breaker trips.

Laurence KL1X em26aq




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Hello everybody,

HF75PZK will be QRV today in the late afternoon / evening until 
ca. 2000z and then since 2300z onwards, until the last calling 
station. I just received information that there is an unexpected 
free time in the station schedule, so I decided to take it, 
although it is a little late to inform you about it.

By the way, rules for the PZK Jubilee Award have been amended. 
To apply for the award, it is now enough to conduct a single QSO 
on LF (or EME or via satellite) with HF75PZK instead of 
collecting points as it is on other bands/modes. So if you're 
interested in a 75-th anniversary Polish Amateur Radio Union 
award with a "137kHz" sticker, this is a good chance to try. Of 
course, those stations that already made a QSO can apply for the 
award as well. 

I hope the TX will work well, there is around 40cm of snow at 
the moment, I have to check what happened with insulators. As 
for the RX side - I am sorry if I am unable to copy some of you. 
In principle I can see around 3/4 stations that can be seen in 
the DF6NM grabber, mostly depending on the local QRM level. Of 
course, I will not make a QSO until this is evident that I can 
copy the station locally, even if I can copy it in some other 
grabber.

73! and see you on the air de Marek SQ5BPM

----------------------------------------------------
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Nice copy of your CQ on the HA6PX grabber.</FONT>
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On 19 Feb 2005 at 14:19, Dave Pick wrote:

> Nice copy of your CQ on the HA6PX grabber.

Thanks, Dave. I have now seen it myself. 

Currently sending QRSS10 on 137.725kHz.

Mike, G3XDV
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 Marek,

 nice "O" copy of the QRSS3 signal here in JO52ho.

 Screenshot:

 http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut


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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Tonight 19/1825z saw HF75PZK good solid signal on 
QRS/137.7 khz call XIZ but xiz did not reply, obviously no copy from HF75PZK. 
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Condx good at present worked VK3IO and VO1HP 
yesterday evening on 160 metres.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73 and gud dxing</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>de Mal/G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
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Hello group,

DJ8WX is not on the air this night.

regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv



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A brief sighting of XDW at ZL sunset then T copy from 1000 to1200 UTC. No
sign of VE7SL or other signals.

Mike ZL4OL



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Greetings all,
This may be interesting for some friends in DL, excuses to the others 
for being a bit off-topic.

Looking at the new german "Amateurfunkverordnung" today ...

http://www.darc.de/aktuell/afuv.pdf

... I discovered that we may transmit up to 2 MHz in this country now, 
though only with 10 W PEP in the upper part of the 160m band.

Furthermore, it now clearly specifies " 1 W ER(!)P " on 136 kHz so time 
for me to build a bigger amplifier (more on DF6NM's design for a linear 
Class-D amplifier later; mine is still in the breadboard state).

73, Wolf DL4YHF

(Still "QRP" from DF0WD)


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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial CE">Nothing seen of HF75ZPK until very late. The grabber snagged a M to O copy of a CQ in 10sec QRSS at about 0100 this morning. </FONT></P>

<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial CE">Unfortunatley I didn't get into the shack until 0200....</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial CE">73 Dave G3YXM</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial CE">-----Original Message-----</FONT>

<BR><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial CE">From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org [</FONT><A HREF="mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org"><U><FONT COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 FACE="Arial CE">mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</FONT></U></A><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial CE">] On Behalf Of Marek Przybyszewski</FONT>

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<P><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial CE">HF75PZK will be QRV today in the late afternoon / evening until ca. 2000z and then since 2300z onwards, until the last calling station. I just received information that there is an unexpected free time in the station schedule, so I decided to take it, although it is a little late to inform you about it.</FONT></P>

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Dear Gary,
        was not at home today. DI2AG is on the air around the clock, mostly
with0.5W ERP, but will QRO 4W 22UTC this night until tomorrow 9UTC, after
that 0.5W again.
73   Walter DJ2LF

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>Hi Walter,
>
>What are your transmitting shedules at the moment? Not able to look last
>night.
>
>Regards
>
>Gary - G4WGT
>
>Web: http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/wgtaylor
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>Dear Gary,
>         I read with interest that you are still looking to DI2AG. Did you
>see it last days? Due to technical reasons it had only 0.5W ERP last week
>and will still transmit QRP until sunday evening.
>73   Walter DJ2LF
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this rig , which I prefer on HF to more modern ones,  has lost sensitivity
if antenna is put to usual socket but is fine with Rx socket. That implies
fuse-bulb gone. I am inside the case  but blowed if I can find the bulb.

Anyone know where it is ?

Thank you

Bryan
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> Hello group,
>
> DJ8WX is not on the air this night.
>
> regards
> Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv
>
>
>



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Hi Brian , I had that happen to mine at one time.....I no longer have it of
the service manual now, but i recollect if you take the bottom off there is
a wall across the the back at the LHS a couple of inches from the back
panel. The fuse is about 1/4 in diameter and about 3/8 inch long with wires
coming out of the glass. I think it was connected to a tag strip.
I hope that helps a bit
Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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> this rig , which I prefer on HF to more modern ones,  has lost sensitivity
> if antenna is put to usual socket but is fine with Rx socket. That implies
> fuse-bulb gone. I am inside the case  but blowed if I can find the bulb.
>
> Anyone know where it is ?
>
> Thank you
>
> Bryan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de>
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> Subject: LF: 135922
>
>
> > Hello group,
> >
> > DJ8WX is not on the air this night.
> >
> > regards
> > Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv
> >
> >
> >
>
>



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captbrian wrote:

>this rig , which I prefer on HF to more modern ones,  has lost sensitivity
>if antenna is put to usual socket but is fine with Rx socket. That implies
>fuse-bulb gone. I am inside the case  but blowed if I can find the bulb.
>
>Anyone know where it is ?
>
>Thank you
>
>Bryan
>----- Original Message -----
>From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de>
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:18 PM
>Subject: LF: 135922
>
>
>  
>
>>Hello group,
>>
>>DJ8WX is not on the air this night.
>>
>>regards
>>Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>
>
>
>  
>
Dr. Bryan

 From the Rx socket the signal also have to go through the bulb, so this 
can not be broken. It may rather be a dirty or broken contact in the 
antenna relay. The bulb is vy near the antenna relay and is of the 
socket-less type.

    Hope you get it fixed, for as you said, the FT 101 ZD is really a 
good old stn.

                                  Vy 73 de OZ7NB, Niels

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Ah. thanks. I was looking for a screw-in pea-lamp bulb in a socket. I'll go
look more closely. My circuit says the connection to the rx socket does not
go through the bulb  so I query what Niels says. The relay operates ok. Is
that clear plastic cover removeable ?  - until I can find the bulb  and
temporarily by-paass it I will continue to believe it is the bulb and not
the relay contacts..

Back soon if I can climb back out of the chassis :-))

----- Original Message -----
From: Alan Melia <Alan.Melia@btinternet.com>
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Subject: LF: Re: Off Topic Ft101zd


> Hi Brian , I had that happen to mine at one time.....I no longer have it
of
> the service manual now, but i recollect if you take the bottom off there
is
> a wall across the the back at the LHS a couple of inches from the back
> panel. The fuse is about 1/4 in diameter and about 3/8 inch long with
wires
> coming out of the glass. I think it was connected to a tag strip.
> I hope that helps a bit
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "captbrian" <captbrian@ukonline.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: 20 February 2005 17:46
> Subject: LF: Off Topic Ft101zd
>
>
> > this rig , which I prefer on HF to more modern ones,  has lost
sensitivity
> > if antenna is put to usual socket but is fine with Rx socket. That
implies
> > fuse-bulb gone. I am inside the case  but blowed if I can find the bulb.
> >
> > Anyone know where it is ?
> >
> > Thank you
> >
> > Bryan
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de>
> > To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> > Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:18 PM
> > Subject: LF: 135922
> >
> >
> > > Hello group,
> > >
> > > DJ8WX is not on the air this night.
> > >
> > > regards
> > > Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
>



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Niels Chr. Bahnson wrote:

> captbrian wrote:
>
>> this rig , which I prefer on HF to more modern ones,  has lost 
>> sensitivity
>> if antenna is put to usual socket but is fine with Rx socket. That 
>> implies
>> fuse-bulb gone. I am inside the case  but blowed if I can find the bulb.
>>
>> Anyone know where it is ?
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Bryan
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de>
>> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:18 PM
>> Subject: LF: 135922
>>
>>
>>  
>>
>>> Hello group,
>>>
>>> DJ8WX is not on the air this night.
>>>
>>> regards
>>> Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>  
>>
> Dr. Bryan
>
> From the Rx socket the signal also have to go through the bulb, so 
> this can not be broken. It may rather be a dirty or broken contact in 
> the antenna relay. The bulb is vy near the antenna relay and is of the 
> socket-less type.
>
>    Hope you get it fixed, for as you said, the FT 101 ZD is really a 
> good old stn.
>
>                                  Vy 73 de OZ7NB, Niels
>
>
       I just found out that it depends on the serial number whether the 
signal from the Rx socket has to pass through the bulb  or not.
                                                                Vy 73 de 
Niels


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Aha , thank you. Of course I am by no means sure that my handbook is
specific to the rig I have.  I wondered if it had been omitted on some
models..

Bryan
----- Original Message -----
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> Niels Chr. Bahnson wrote:
>
> > captbrian wrote:
> >
> >> this rig , which I prefer on HF to more modern ones,  has lost
> >> sensitivity
> >> if antenna is put to usual socket but is fine with Rx socket. That
> >> implies
> >> fuse-bulb gone. I am inside the case  but blowed if I can find the
bulb.
> >>
> >> Anyone know where it is ?
> >>
> >> Thank you
> >>
> >> Bryan
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: jannsen <0482183881-0001@t-online.de>
> >> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> >> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:18 PM
> >> Subject: LF: 135922
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hello group,
> >>>
> >>> DJ8WX is not on the air this night.
> >>>
> >>> regards
> >>> Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > Dr. Bryan
> >
> > From the Rx socket the signal also have to go through the bulb, so
> > this can not be broken. It may rather be a dirty or broken contact in
> > the antenna relay. The bulb is vy near the antenna relay and is of the
> > socket-less type.
> >
> >    Hope you get it fixed, for as you said, the FT 101 ZD is really a
> > good old stn.
> >
> >                                  Vy 73 de OZ7NB, Niels
> >
> >
>        I just found out that it depends on the serial number whether the
> signal from the Rx socket has to pass through the bulb  or not.
>                                                                 Vy 73 de
> Niels
>
>



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About 2200 UTC I heard some v's being sent near 137,8 KHz. Then it 
shifted to dashes which last abt 11 seconds each. Sometimes the strenght 
is rather good and if morse code readable without difficulty. Is it a 
beacon, may be DI2AG?

My equipment so far is a Racal RA 17 L with an LF-converter RA 137. I am 
using the 100 Hz bandwith. The receiving-antenna  is an active Decca  
Navigator  antenna  fastened to a tree in the garden about 30  m from my 
house. My transmitter consists of a Wilcox 94A1 oscillator and a DECCA 
1250 watt transmitter type 1876. It has not yet been shifted in 
frequency and is therfore not yet operational. Transmitter aerial will 
be made in connection with a 17 m high Versatower when warm weather 
occurs in spring  or summer.

My location is JO45GL, and QTH is Tjaereborg 7 km east of Esbjerg.

                                                 Vy 73 de OZ7NB, Niels


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My RACAL receiver is not a RA.17L but a lesser known RA.17AU, serial 
number 275, built in Silver Spring, Maryland, USA, in 1970. I can not 
finmd it in Rinus Jansen's handbook, but I think it is similar to RA.17C-12.
                                                                VY 73 de 
OZ7NB, Niels


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Dear Niels,
        what you heard cannot be DI2AG, because this beacon transmits on
440.044Khz. But I would be glad to receive reports from you about DI2AG.
73   Walter   DJ2LF

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Niels Chr. Bahnson <oz7nb@post.tele.dk>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Sonntag, 20. Februar 2005 23:56
Betreff: LF: Long dashes


>About 2200 UTC I heard some v's being sent near 137,8 KHz. Then it
>shifted to dashes which last abt 11 seconds each. Sometimes the strenght
>is rather good and if morse code readable without difficulty. Is it a
>beacon, may be DI2AG?
>
>My equipment so far is a Racal RA 17 L with an LF-converter RA 137. I am
>using the 100 Hz bandwith. The receiving-antenna  is an active Decca
>Navigator  antenna  fastened to a tree in the garden about 30  m from my
>house. My transmitter consists of a Wilcox 94A1 oscillator and a DECCA
>1250 watt transmitter type 1876. It has not yet been shifted in
>frequency and is therfore not yet operational. Transmitter aerial will
>be made in connection with a 17 m high Versatower when warm weather
>occurs in spring  or summer.
>
>My location is JO45GL, and QTH is Tjaereborg 7 km east of Esbjerg.
>
>                                                 Vy 73 de OZ7NB, Niels
>



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Dear Walter, DJ2LF.

Thank you for the info. It sounds vy interesting. Are somebody working 
for a release in that frequency area for amateurs? Surely I shall listen 
after DI2AG. Where to get more info?

                                     Vy 73 de OZ7NB, Niels


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To All from PA0SE

Just gave William, PA0WFO, his first QSO on LF. He is located at 
Oostvoorne,  locator  JO21BV, using a Ropex "The First"  transmitter 
with  an aerial wire,  only 23 m long and 5 m high.
Nevertheless I received him with  RST 589 (28 microvolt at the receiver 
input).  Distance between our stations is 40km.

For me PA0WFO is station number 100, using normal CW only.

Look out for William coming Saturday and Sunday morning.

73, Dick, PA0SE
JO22GD




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Hi Marek and all,

on sunday around 11:00 +/-  UTC i receive you with a  good M  
in QRSS 10
and good T up to M in QRSS 3,  I called, but sri nil

73 Eberhard,  DL3ZID    in  JO53PO




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Dear LF,

Nice copy YU7AR becon 'ARARARAR...'last night. Sigs sometimes up to 25 dB
over noise ground in 0.05 Hz bandwidth. Screenshort attached.

73 de RA9MB/Alex
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Hi Laurence,

I would like to be QRV on LF. So I am looking arround what OP are using.
Please tell me what more about  ->  " Operation will be from the car with
IC706Mk1 L400B quad magmount"

What is L400B ?

Uwe, DK1KQ

----- Original Message -----
From: "Laurence KL1X" <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
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Subject: LF: XE LF RX operation


> This next week 19-26th Feb Laurence KL1X/M will be LF RX from Mexico in
> square area EL60 on the East coast of the Mayan Peninusular, South of
> Cancun, looking for EU and Stateside/VE/VJ et al  Lowfer and Part 5/Ham
> stations at night, and when not horizontally polarized with Sheri  in a
> local bar or worse. Its between 8000-9000Kms to most places in Eu but know
> its "dooable" given previous operations from XE and TI on LF
>
> Operation will be from the car with  IC706Mk1 L400B quad magmount, Argo
and
> Dellboy computer in a Hired Corsa (shd be cosy). No TX on HF sorry.
>
>
> Let the Dst fall!
>
> Previous operations from XE on the Pacific  coast in  Sept 2003 did net
> DCF39 but conditions at that time were poor and no other Eu stations were
> seen.
>
> Part 5 WD2XDW will continue "on" in remote operation or till the main
house
> breaker trips.
>
> Laurence KL1X em26aq
>
>
>



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Hi Bryan, well done , you can add another "bar" to your "real amateur" medal
:-))
The old set is worth keeping going, they work very well....especially if you
have pudgy fingers which dont mix with the tiny controls on this new-fangled
stuff!!

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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> Thanks to all  for info.
>
>
>  I found the bulb   (perilously close to the mains primary tags I
thought )
> and replaced it .
> rig is now all  singing/dancing,
>
> 73 all
> Bryan G3GVB
>
> ----- Original
>
>



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<DIV>Hardly an 807 (beam power tetrode):  more like a EF50&nbsp; (high gain 
pentode) but let's not get into this old man's talk ;-)) or we'll be into the 
'young lads today don't know anything ' syndrome and the truth is that </DIV>
<DIV>..there's more in a 706iig  than I could have got into&nbsp;two  6 foot 
racks... Mind you it doesn't keep the shack so warm in this (UK) weather</DIV>
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  <A href="mailto:G4gvw@aol.com" title=G4gvw@aol.com>G4gvw@aol.com</A> </DIV>
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  Ist RF would have been an 807 !</DIV>
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It has been known for people to use an 807 as a first RF stage, and I believe that at World War II monitoring stations it was used as in broadband amplifiers to feed a substantial number of HROs and AR88s.

73
John G3PAI

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On 22/02/2005 at 17:52 captbrian wrote:

>Hardly an 807 (beam power tetrode):  more like a EF50  (high gain
>pentode) but let's not get into this old man's talk ;-)) or we'll be into
>the 'young lads today don't know anything ' syndrome and the truth is that 
>..there's more in a 706iig  than I could have got into two  6 foot
>racks... Mind you it doesn't keep the shack so warm in this (UK) weather
>
>Bryan
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: G4gvw@aol.com 
>  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
>  Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 5:30 PM
>  Subject: Re: LF: Off Topic Ft101zd
>
>
>  Wrong Brian !
>
>  A real amateur wouldn't have put a bulb there in the first place. The
>input inductor would have been 10g enam copper (ex-surplus txformer) and
>the Ist RF would have been an 807 !
>
>  73 de Pat g4gvw !





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These days you might have a custom 24 bit A/D converter at the front end of an 
HF receiver for [the modern day equivalent equivalent of WW2 monitoring 
stations] that digitises the entire HF spectrum in one go.

Bet that costs more than the modern, equivalent of 7/6
Just old enough to remember ancient money system :-(

Andy  G4JNT


On Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:31 PM, captbrian 
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> I retreat in confusion but at 7/6d each it is not something I would have
> contemplated.
>
> Bryan
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Rabson <word.factory@zetnet.co.uk>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 9:17 PM
> Subject: Re[2]: LF: Off Topic Ft101zd
>
>
> It has been known for people to use an 807 as a first RF stage, and I
> believe that at World War II monitoring stations it was used as in broadband
> amplifiers to feed a substantial number of HROs and AR88s.
>
> 73
> John G3PAI
>
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
>
> On 22/02/2005 at 17:52 captbrian wrote:
>
> >Hardly an 807 (beam power tetrode):  more like a EF50  (high gain
> >pentode) but let's not get into this old man's talk ;-)) or we'll be into
> >the 'young lads today don't know anything ' syndrome and the truth is that
> >..there's more in a 706iig  than I could have got into two  6 foot
> >racks... Mind you it doesn't keep the shack so warm in this (UK) weather
> >
> >Bryan
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> >  From: G4gvw@aol.com
> >  To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> >  Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 5:30 PM
> >  Subject: Re: LF: Off Topic Ft101zd
> >
> >
> >  Wrong Brian !
> >
> >  A real amateur wouldn't have put a bulb there in the first place. The
> >input inductor would have been 10g enam copper (ex-surplus txformer) and
> >the Ist RF would have been an 807 !
> >
> >  73 de Pat g4gvw !
>
>
>
>
>
>



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RadCom, Oct 82, has an article about an ex-serviceman revisiting the 
Falklands. May be useful.

Mike, G3XDV
==========

On 23 Feb 2005 at 12:11, John Rabson wrote:

> RadCom?
> 
> *********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********
> 
> On 23/02/2005 at 08:41 captbrian wrote:
> 
> >I take your word for it . As we are on to monitoring does anyone know
> >where can be read references to amateur radio activity re: Falklands
> >occupation 1982.
> >
> >Bryan
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 




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Andy wrote:

>These days you might have a custom 24 bit A/D converter at the front end of an 
>HF receiver for [the modern day equivalent equivalent of WW2 monitoring 
>stations] that digitises the entire HF spectrum in one go.
>
Do really exist A/D converters capable of 24-bit resolution at 30 MHz 
bandwidth ?
If the answer is yes, then recently I haven't paid too much attention to 
what was
happening in the technology field...

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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Alberto,

I guess not.
I know about some 14 bit ADC's up to 100MSPS and a while ago I received a 
flyer from Analog Devices promoting a 16 bit / 80 MSPS ADC, but it costed 
about 1 kEuro and they give no free samples :-(

73, Rik  ON7YD

>Do really exist A/D converters capable of 24-bit resolution at 30 MHz 
>bandwidth ?
>If the answer is yes, then recently I haven't paid too much attention to 
>what was
>happening in the technology field...
>
>73  Alberto  I2PHD



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Off the shelf A/D converters (mostly single chip) have come on in leaps and 
bounds in recent years, thanks to (dictated by ?) the mobile phone industry. 
  I think most cell phone base stations just downconvert and digitise the whole 
band in one go.  So, with forward power control implemented, 14 bit (16 bit 
now) resolution is adequate.   The GSM band is 25MHz wide so 65MHz sampling is 
adequate.   This is just about suitable for entire HF band digitisation.  At 
least, on a good day provided there are no mega-strong signals present such as 
on-board transmitters - there often will be!

A/D converters got to this point over a very short period, a few years ago.  In 
1994, such 14 bit devices cost 10000 pounds each (from Analog Devices), now 
they cost a few tens of pounds.

Now, I have heard of 100MHz devices  - which are needed for 3G phones - but 
things seem to be moving more slowly now, so it looks as if technology is the 
limiting factor, or more likely the money that the mob. phone industry is 
prepared to throw at development of better A/D converters.

However, the product I mentioned, was produced, by Hewlett Packard I believe, 
some time ago specifically for intercept equipment for communications and 
radar.    It was in the HP catalogue at one time, but going back a few years. 
  Don't have the exact hardware details to hand,  but vaguely remember it was 
made up of discrete components, and was almost certainly a sigma delta type of 
A/D ( one or two  bit sampling very, very fast, ie. several GHz, followed by 
processing,   Same idea as in Codecs on soundcards)  and cost an awful lot of 
money.  I would have cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for the 
complete system.

While it may have been enhanced a bit by now , more likely its been forgotton. 
 Contrasting the massive leap forward in technology in the commercial, and 
particularly mobile phone industries, with the slow down / stagnating of purely 
military research since the end of the Cold War, I guess much comint  (and 
software defined radio) hardware just uses off the shelf devices now.

On a totally different matter :

Have just read that the Zepp antenna is so named as it was once used as the 
antenna towed behind Zeppelin airships.   Does anyone know if this is so?  I've 
certainly never come across any other derivation of its name.

Andy  G4JNT

for [the modern day equivalent equivalent of WW2 monitoring
> >stations] that digitises the entire HF spectrum in one go.
> >
> Do really exist A/D converters capable of 24-bit resolution at 30 MHz
> bandwidth ?
> If the answer is yes, then recently I haven't paid too much attention to
> what was
> happening in the technology field...
>
> 73  Alberto  I2PHD
>


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Sure the zepp is short for zeppelin. In its original form the object was to
keep high RF voltages away from the explosive hydrogen.

If I had computer skills I could draw you a pic, but you can imagine a
quarter wave length of open-wire transmission line with a half wave attached
to one leg and the whole thing hanging vertically down  ; with a suitable
weight it would not slope backwards too much when under way at less than 100
knots. feed would be at low voltage/low impedance end.

then someone put it up on land upside down but with the two parts at right
angles and the half wave at the top. Still called a zeppelin but shortened
to "half-wave Zepp."

Then someone (probably Dud Charman ) declared it unbalanced, which indeed it
was , and fed it at the centre instead. Hams  used it on multi-wavelengths
which means it is just a center fed doublet , but the name Zepp. stuck.

Then someone used it for two metres vertical polarisation by straightening
it out again and called it a J-pole [because with a wide spacing of the
feeder compared with the element length it looks like a letter J. ] Grand
circle completed but when its bent and horizontal its a "end-fed zepp" but
when it's straight and vertical it's a "J-pole." In what I presume was an
effort to balance the feed again, the half wave was made folded and brought
close to the open end of the feeder (where it is out of phase ) and close
enough for a capacitive coupling there.
I presume Jim comes from J . Why it is Slim I know not and Mr. Judd is a
silent key now.
What goes around, comes around or some such sentiment.

You young G4 kids don't know nuffink [ :-))  ]

Bryan




Bryan


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Subject: LF: RE: Re: Off Topic Ft101zd


> Off the shelf A/D converters (mostly single chip) have come on in leaps
and
> bounds in recent years, thanks to (dictated by ?) the mobile phone
industry.
>   I think most cell phone base stations just downconvert and digitise the
whole
> band in one go.  So, with forward power control implemented, 14 bit (16
bit
> now) resolution is adequate.   The GSM band is 25MHz wide so 65MHz
sampling is
> adequate.   This is just about suitable for entire HF band digitisation.
At
> least, on a good day provided there are no mega-strong signals present
such as
> on-board transmitters - there often will be!
>
> A/D converters got to this point over a very short period, a few years
ago.  In
> 1994, such 14 bit devices cost 10000 pounds each (from Analog Devices),
now
> they cost a few tens of pounds.
>
> Now, I have heard of 100MHz devices  - which are needed for 3G phones -
but
> things seem to be moving more slowly now, so it looks as if technology is
the
> limiting factor, or more likely the money that the mob. phone industry is
> prepared to throw at development of better A/D converters.
>
> However, the product I mentioned, was produced, by Hewlett Packard I
believe,
> some time ago specifically for intercept equipment for communications and
> radar.    It was in the HP catalogue at one time, but going back a few
years.
>   Don't have the exact hardware details to hand,  but vaguely remember it
was
> made up of discrete components, and was almost certainly a sigma delta
type of
> A/D ( one or two  bit sampling very, very fast, ie. several GHz, followed
by
> processing,   Same idea as in Codecs on soundcards)  and cost an awful lot
of
> money.  I would have cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars for the
> complete system.
>
> While it may have been enhanced a bit by now , more likely its been
forgotton.
>  Contrasting the massive leap forward in technology in the commercial, and
> particularly mobile phone industries, with the slow down / stagnating of
purely
> military research since the end of the Cold War, I guess much comint  (and
> software defined radio) hardware just uses off the shelf devices now.
>
> On a totally different matter :
>
> Have just read that the Zepp antenna is so named as it was once used as
the
> antenna towed behind Zeppelin airships.   Does anyone know if this is so?
I've
> certainly never come across any other derivation of its name.
>
> Andy  G4JNT
>
> for [the modern day equivalent equivalent of WW2 monitoring
> > >stations] that digitises the entire HF spectrum in one go.
> > >
> > Do really exist A/D converters capable of 24-bit resolution at 30 MHz
> > bandwidth ?
> > If the answer is yes, then recently I haven't paid too much attention to
> > what was
> > happening in the technology field...
> >
> > 73  Alberto  I2PHD
> >
>
>
>


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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>During the 1950 period and beyond the 807 tube was 
the norm for wideband/distribution amplifiers used on receiving stations. The 
6V6, 6L6 and 807 were also used in a variety of other ancillary equipment. This 
was overkill in most cases but I suppose these tubes were plentiful and cheap at 
the time. The equipment was desgined and built around these tubes. One other 
tube popular at the time was the 813 for transmitters like the RCA ET4336 TX but 
to mention one. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The advantage of this trend was that tubes were 
interchangeable between equipment units.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There were also 12 v versions of the above tubes, 
again popular in mobile and aeronautical equipment like the Collins and Bendex 
transmitters.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73 de Mal/G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
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Dear Alberto,

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Alberto di Bene wrote:
> >
> Do really exist A/D converters capable of 24-bit resolution at 30 MHz 
> bandwidth ?

Why one need 24-bit? Though 16 bit is adequate for most SW,MW,LW recievers.
16 bit yelds abt 90 dB dynamic range (every bit exept sign bit yelds 6dB).
But this is dynamic range if there is no filtering. When you make banwidth 
narrow by DSP then dynamic range will be improved because noise decreases.
If frontend sampling rate is, say 100 MHz (there is such an ADC) and
bandwidth of DSP filter is about, say 10 kHz this yelds 40 dB of noise
decreasing. Thus RX dynamic range to be about 90+40=130 dB!   Realy DD is
not 130 dB of cose. But it much less due to analog (!) effects in ADC
absolutely similary as in conventional analog RX. This is not digital
effect!

Because 3G celular systems require such chips (ADC, DDC having sampling
rate abt 100 - 200 MHz) this chips are avaliabale now. Seems
radioingeneer speciality now change to programer speciality. To build
say RX now you need very few standard chips (ADC,DDC and CPU) connected 
in standard way and lot of programing! Nothing more, forgot about
soldering iron, learn C++. Present days are days of digital radio. Analog
radio died.

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb




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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>but you are talking about power amplifiers. I have 
never seen such items in single rx RF stages. Not enough gain.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=3>My line up as a VS2 in the darkest jungle was a 
string of 807 doublers /drivers to an 813 glowing in the dusk like a lighthouse 
attracting every variety of flying insect including flying stag beetles&nbsp; 
several inches long which made the mistake of flying near the tank 
coil.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>I have no idea why the type-face has changed 
herein.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Bryan</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A href="mailto:g3kev.ham@virgin.net" title=g3kev.ham@virgin.net>hamilton 
  mal</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org" 
  title=rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:29 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: 807 tubes</DIV>
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  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>During the 1950 period and beyond the 807 tube 
  was the norm for wideband/distribution amplifiers used on receiving stations. 
  The 6V6, 6L6 and 807 were also used in a variety of other ancillary equipment. 
  This was overkill in most cases but I suppose these tubes were plentiful and 
  cheap at the time. The equipment was desgined and built around these tubes. 
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  transmitters.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73 de Mal/G3KEV</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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137Khz tonight from Mexico

Uwe Im listening now tonight and tmw  Thursday 0200-0400Z +- 135.922 dot 30 
slow from square EL60, and at less critical times for Americas stations on 
137.777 centre.




DCF39 has been good to strong audible for the past couple of nights but QRN 
was stronger last night. DCF39 reached S7 on the E probe at around 02z the 
previous night. Loran lines are strong too but not daunting here on the 
Mayan Peninsular about 60 miles South of Cancun.

Given the strength of past receptions it shd be possible to pick up a couple 
of Eu stations given a bit of luck.

So far Ive seen traces of XFX and strong Signals from Part 5 station XDW but 
cantstay on the air for more than a couple of hours given power/noiz 
restrictions from the car. Im sitting in a car park about 200 meters from 
the sea - gentle warm breezed thru the trees!

The L400B is a E probe Hi Z "whip" on top of the car see the clickable photo 
on http://myweb.cableone.net/flow with the array on top of the Tundra last 
week from South Texas. It was sold by the LF Engineering company.

Good luck

Laurence XE/KL1X/M


>From: "Uwe Wensauer" <uwe.wensauer@gmx.de>
>Reply-To: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Subject: LF: Re: XE LF  RX operation
>Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2005 08:34:04 +0100
>
>Hi Laurence,
>
>I would like to be QRV on LF. So I am looking arround what OP are using.
>Please tell me what more about  ->  " Operation will be from the car with
>IC706Mk1 L400B quad magmount"
>
>What is L400B ?
>
>Uwe, DK1KQ
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Laurence KL1X" <hellozerohellozero@hotmail.com>
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; <lowfer@lwca.org>
>Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 1:08 AM
>Subject: LF: XE LF RX operation
>
>
> > This next week 19-26th Feb Laurence KL1X/M will be LF RX from Mexico in
> > square area EL60 on the East coast of the Mayan Peninusular, South of
> > Cancun, looking for EU and Stateside/VE/VJ et al  Lowfer and Part 5/Ham
> > stations at night, and when not horizontally polarized with Sheri  in a
> > local bar or worse. Its between 8000-9000Kms to most places in Eu but 
>know
> > its "dooable" given previous operations from XE and TI on LF
> >
> > Operation will be from the car with  IC706Mk1 L400B quad magmount, Argo
>and
> > Dellboy computer in a Hired Corsa (shd be cosy). No TX on HF sorry.
> >
> >
> > Let the Dst fall!
> >
> > Previous operations from XE on the Pacific  coast in  Sept 2003 did net
> > DCF39 but conditions at that time were poor and no other Eu stations 
>were
> > seen.
> >
> > Part 5 WD2XDW will continue "on" in remote operation or till the main
>house
> > breaker trips.
> >
> > Laurence KL1X em26aq
> >
> >
> >
>
>




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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Dear Hartmut and Joe,<BR>
<BR>
on <A HREF="http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm">http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm</A> you wrote<BR>
<BR>
&gt;&gt; Joe, VO1NA is waiting for authorisation renewal and is in the meanwhile transmitting under Part 15 regulations 1 watt input power on 189.8106 kHz. Joe was transmitting "N"s during the night. <A HREF="http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF%20Screenshots/050223/VO1NA-050223-0300.jpg">Screenshot</A> &lt;&lt;<BR>
<BR>
WOW - this sounds sensational !! A Part-15 beacon with less than 1W to a miniature antenna, seen in Central Europe, amidst megawatt longwave BC transmitters ... are you really sure? <BR>
<BR>
Congratulations to both of you!<BR>
<BR>
Markus,<BR>
DF6NM<BR>
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    Dear ZL4OL, Mike

    Thank you for your interest. Because of that, I shall translate a 
part of my e-mail into English.
    From 1953 to 1955 I worked as a radiotelegrapher in 
Northeastgreenland. It was in Danmarkshavn on a very isolated 
weatherstation. It is placed on the coast of Germanialand in the bottom 
of a small natural harbour. The lattitude was near 77 degrees north. We 
were 11 men there, of which 3 were radiotelegraphers, a stationleader, 
who was also radiotelegrapher, 3 radio sounding assistents, a 
radiotechnician, a cook, a handyman, and a machine engineer. Our nearest 
neighbors were the first year the BNGE, British North Greenland 
Expedition, about 300 km from us on a nunatak called Queen Louises Land. 
500 km south of us was another wx stn, Daneborg, and 600 km north of us 
was Station North, wx stn and airfield. No other people in this vast area.
    We had ship once a year in the first week of August, and once or 
twice a year the military sledgepatrol passed us and stayed for a couple 
of days.
    If we got very ill and needed an operation, we had all means for i 
and were expected to do it ourselves, mwhich we also did. All survived, 
at least when I was there.
    Normally we send the weather obs every 3 hours on 5254 KHz to Cape 
Tobin at Scoresbysund, about 800 km south from us.
    We sometimes had difficulties with the contact. There was "white 
black out" and "dark black out". White black out was whwn we had 
snowstorm and hard frost at the same time. Because of the friction of 
the dry-frozen snow, everything became electrical loaded, and if we were 
on our way from the barracs to the radiostation, we had to avoid 
touching an empty oildrum, if we did not like to get a painfull electric 
schock. All that static electricity made a lot of sparks everywhere, and 
from the coppertube which connected the antenna to our longwave 
transmitter small lightnings flashed to nearby metallic things. Under 
such circumstances it was impossible to read any signals, so we sent our 
wx obs blindly on 5274 KHz hopefully that Cape Tobin did not have the 
same weather.
    Some times we had "dark black out", often in the Dark Time, i.e. in 
winter we had 4 month canstant night, where the sun did not rise. There 
were lots of green polarlights south of us and the shortwaves were 
compleetly dead. Then we sent our telegrams on long wave on a frequency 
near 110 KHz. Tx power were about 600 watt, and the antenna was a 
cageantenna with rings and 6 wires 40-50 m long up 40 meters. this was 
in fact the topload, and the "feeder", which consisted of 4 wires with 
quadratic spacers was in fact the vertical radiator. As the station lay 
on bare rocks, we had a big net of counterpoises on 3 m high ironpoles 
under the antenna. Thus we could bridge the 800 km to Cape Tobin with 
normal CW.
            
    If you have questions, I shalltry to answer them.

                                                       Vy 73 de OZ7NB, Niels



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>
> Have just read that the Zepp antenna is so named as it was once used as
the
> antenna towed behind Zeppelin airships.   Does anyone know if this is so?
I've
> certainly never come across any other derivation of its name.
>
Bit more on the Zep antenna in 'Antennas', p84 RadCom July 2003

Peter, G3LDO



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Alexander S. Yurkov wrote:

>Why one need 24-bit? Though 16 bit is adequate for most SW,MW,LW recievers.
>16 bit yelds abt 90 dB dynamic range (every bit exept sign bit yelds 6dB).
>But this is dynamic range if there is no filtering. When you make banwidth 
>narrow by DSP then dynamic range will be improved because noise decreases.
>If frontend sampling rate is, say 100 MHz (there is such an ADC) and
>bandwidth of DSP filter is about, say 10 kHz this yelds 40 dB of noise
>decreasing. Thus RX dynamic range to be about 90+40=130 dB!
>[...]
>  
>
Alex,

  I am not quite sure I do agree with you. While it is true that 
narrowing the bandwidth the energy
of the noise inside that bandwidth do decrease while the signal doesn't 
(provided it is entirely confined
into that bandwidth), the problem is another, namely dynamic range. You 
need a great dynamic range
to dig out a faint CW (or SSB) signal near a much stronger one, when 
both are inside the preselector
filter bandpass. AGC is of no help here. A good receiver needs ideally 
at least 100 dB (better more)
of so-called spurious-free DR  And a 16-bit ADC running at  tens of MHz 
I bet doesn't offer more
than 14 bits of useable amplitude resolution, which translates into 
about 84 dB dynamic range. 

If the problem were only that of a good SNR, then your solution would 
work, but here what is needed
is the capability to receive a 0.1 uV signal near to a broadcast station 
with 1V signal at the input of
your receiver....

73  Alberto  I2PHD




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How does 185.3kc look in Europe? Any good frequencies around that? How
about 185.3026kc? I can put a healthy signal right there.<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">-- 
Mike
WE0H
WD2XGI</pre>
<br>
<br>
<br>
MarkusVester wrote:<br>
<blockquote cite="mid55.6d9fa110.2f4e5efd@aol.com" type="cite"><font
 face="arial,helvetica"><font ptsize="10" family="SANSSERIF"
 face="Arial" lang="2" size="2">Dear Hartmut and Joe,<br>
  <br>
on <a href="http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm">http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm</a>
you wrote<br>
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&gt;&gt; Joe, VO1NA is waiting for authorisation renewal and is in the
meanwhile transmitting under Part 15 regulations 1 watt input power on
189.8106 kHz. Joe was transmitting "N"s during the night. <a
 href="http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF%20Screenshots/050223/VO1NA-050223-0300.jpg">Screenshot</a>
&lt;&lt;<br>
  <br>
WOW - this sounds sensational !! A Part-15 beacon with less than 1W to
a miniature antenna, seen in Central Europe, amidst megawatt longwave
BC transmitters ... are you really sure? <br>
  <br>
Congratulations to both of you!<br>
  <br>
Markus,<br>
DF6NM<br>
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Mike,

>How does 185.3kc look in Europe? Any good frequencies around that? How
about 185.3026kc? I can put a healthy signal right there.<

There is a very large BC station on 183 kHz (2 megawatts), so don't consider
anything between there and 188 kHz.

John A.




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Hmmm, thought there would be something in the way. Oh well...<br>
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John Andrews wrote:<br>
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    </pre>
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  <pre wrap=""><!---->about 185.3026kc? I can put a healthy signal right there.&lt;

There is a very large BC station on 183 kHz (2 megawatts), so don't consider
anything between there and 188 kHz.

John A.

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Dick, PA0SE, has given a lecture on LF for our Amsterdam Division of our 
national Dutch Ham Organisation  VERON ( " Dutch RSGB " ).
He made me pretty enthusiastic and I decided to give it a try to become 
QRV on 136 Khz.

My condo is 100' a.s.l. and I could try to drop a vertical wire of 100' 
thru a ( straight  ) pvc (rain) drain pipe.
Could this idea do an acceptable job ?
If so, how should I connect to earth ?
( If I learned my lesson well - from Dick - a good earth is at least as 
important as a - relatively - good antenna ).
Any other antenna suggestion for my ( top floor ) condo at 100' a.s.l. ?
BTW : I am forbidden to span a longwire on top of the building :-(

My first step was to buy a ( professional, be it vintage, all solid 
state ) LF receiver today.
And that's where my second question is about..

It is a Telefunken  ELK 639 with LF as from 9.8 Khz until 570 Khz in 5 
bands.
It has all options except the 100 Khz spectrum monitor ( but I could use 
my separate 10 Hz BW spectrum analyzer; besides, Dick showed that that 
on 136 Khz the computer waterfall programs are commonly used ).

I made some preliminary tests ( with a calibrated signal generator  ) 
and I am delighted with the RX's performances.
It has a superb sensivity at very steep bandpass skirts.
With all mechanical filters cascaded on smallest BW's  gives :  500 Hz 
off tune is > -85dB ( which is considerably within specs cf the manual ).
I could hardly believe this result.
For that reason I reproduced the tests with another signal generator ( 
HP 3336B which is even a calibrated level generator  ) and I get ~ the 
same results.
During his lecture, Dick PA0SE, mentioned the nuisance of severe 
interference of DCF?? ( and other stations ) and I guess that, for that 
reason, steep filter skirts are foremost on 136 Khz.
However, is this result sufficient for escaping the commercial neigbour 
stations interferences ( near our band edges ) Dick was talking about ?

I wonder if any list member uses or has been using this Telefunken ELK 
639 as well.
I am eager to learn about the possible experiences on this one.
E.g. : is its stability sufficient for the very narrow QRSS QSO's ?
Should I ( try to ) lock the LO's to my frequency reference ?
If this does make sense, I could ( try to ) lock my Schomandl ( with 
very low phase noise ) or HP 3336B to my e-11 HP frequency standard, 
thus ensuring ( more than - sic - ) sufficient frequency stability ).

Any comment and/or suggestion on the use of the ELK 639 for 136 Khz is 
most welcome.
Any other advices as well.

Thanks.
Peter, PE1E.


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Dear Alberto,

On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Alberto di Bene wrote:

>   I am not quite sure I do agree with you. While it is true that 
> narrowing the bandwidth the energy
> of the noise inside that bandwidth do decrease while the signal doesn't 
> (provided it is entirely confined
> into that bandwidth), the problem is another, namely dynamic range. You 
> need a great dynamic range
> to dig out a faint CW (or SSB) signal near a much stronger one, when 
> both are inside the preselector
> filter bandpass. 

Essetial point is that due to digital filtering you can recieve the signal
much weaker then one lowest sign meaning. Let's consider 10-bit ADC
(plus 1 sign bit) for simplicity. There is only abt 1000 (1024 exectly)
'quantization steps'.  Let code 3ff (1024) corresponds 1V (we remember
about 'broadcasting stn') then 'quantization step' is 1mV. Does it mean
signal of say 10uV can't be resieved?  Answer is no, such a signal can be
recieved! If sampling rate is 100MHz and bandwith of signal is say 100Hz
this 10uV signal will be very nice recieved after digital filtering.

Certanly if this 10uV signal is the only signal in ADC input then
ADC gives zero code only. Nothing more. But we can add a noise with
spectrum out of signal spectrum (so called 'dithering'). Then signals 
can be digitized by the ADC. Added noise can be canceled by digital
filtering then.


73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb





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On Thursday 24 February 2005 02:18, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote:
> Dear Alberto,
>
> On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Alberto di Bene wrote:
> > Do really exist A/D converters capable of 24-bit resolution at 30
> > MHz bandwidth ?
>
> Why one need 24-bit? Though 16 bit is adequate for most SW,MW,LW
> recievers. 16 bit yelds abt 90 dB dynamic range (every bit exept
> sign bit yelds 6dB).

This means that 1 bit give a sufficient MDS? The recovered audio is 
ON/OFF tone?
 
> But this is dynamic range if there is no 
> filtering. When you make banwidth narrow by DSP then dynamic range
> will be improved because noise decreases. If frontend sampling rate
> is, say 100 MHz (there is such an ADC) and bandwidth of DSP filter
> is about, say 10 kHz this yelds 40 dB of noise decreasing. Thus RX
> dynamic range to be about 90+40=130 dB!   Realy DD is not 130 dB of
> cose. But it much less due to analog (!) effects in ADC absolutely
> similary as in conventional analog RX. This is not digital effect!

But without a single channel roofing filter a 130 dB outband signal 
make the AD converter overload, despite any sampling rate. Or not?

I have some unanswered question:

1- How many bits are needed for a good audio reproduction, i.e. a S/N 
ratio of 10 dB with some voice dynamics? Telephone signals usually 
are sampled 8 kHz 8 bits for a telephonic quality (with no 
compression). May be that 4 bits are sufficient but 1 bit I don't 
think.

2- Those bits are to be taken in account for calculating the dynamic 
range? i.e. 16 - 4 = 12 bits =72 dB dynamic range.

73 de Claudio, ik2pii

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For a normal A/D sampling at a rate approaching the Nyquist bandwidth (Fsample 
/ 2) , Signal to Quantisation noise ratio is approximately 6.N - 1.7 - (peak to 
mean ratio).  Where N is the number of bits.  So for the telephone network with 
8kHz sampling, if we need 46dB S/N ratio for voice with a typical 10dB 
peak-to-mean, then somewhere around 9 - 10 bits would necessary. So, to achieve 
this performance on the telphone network using 8 bits / sample, non-linear 
sampling (mu-law or A-law coding) is used which has the effect of compressing 
then expanding the audio dynamic range to effect the increase in S/N ratio for 
practical signals.

NOW, f you go to a lower number of bits but sample at a much higher rate, then 
other tricks become possible.  For example, delta modulation used many years 
ago for a simple digital transmision over radio used 1 bit sampling, 
transmitting a '1' if the amplitude has increased from the previous sample, and 
'0' if it decreased.  For speech a sampling rate of 30 to 50kHz gave acceptable 
fidelity.

In modern Codecs this technique is carried further, but made transparent to the 
user who sees only a 'classic' A/D converter operating at a lower rate.  For 
example, the codecs used in most soundcards actually sample the audio at many 
MHz at a low resolution (1 or 2 bits often) in a simple but accurate A/D.  Then 
sucessive samples are combined digitally and processed to give an effective 
sampling rate at the familiar values of 11025 - 44100Hz.   The disadvantage of 
this approach is that the A/D converter can never truely digitise a DC signal. 
 It can get arbitrarily close, but never down to 'true' DC.   This is one 
reason why a good Software Defined Radio using two channel I/Q processing 
cannot be made out of a soundcard / PC combination.   There will always be a 
hole right in the middle of the spectrum corresponding to the DC response. 
  There is also the issue of capacitor coupling that reduces DC response on 
practical hardware, but that's a matter for manufacturers.

The same techniques can be used at higher frequencies, but to achieve MHz 
effective sampling rates needs GHz sampling speeds in the first place - which 
is pushing sample-and-hold technology to its limits.   The arguments are 
exactly the same as described in earlier posts on this topic.   When a wideband 
signal is filterd and decimated (the sampling rate reduced) the S/N ratio of a 
narrowband signal can be increased way beyond what would have been possible at 
the original sampling rate.

Modern approaches can use combinations  eg a high specification 4 or 8 bit 
converter coupled with down sampling to give 16 bits or more.   But what goes 
on inside modern A/D chips is probably proprietory information and we see only 
the outside, effective, conversion performance - and go 'WOW' when we see the 
specs!

Andy  G4JNT




On Thursday, February 24, 2005 11:24 AM, Claudio Pozzi [SMTP:smtp01@email.it] 
wrote:
> On Thursday 24 February 2005 02:18, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote:
> > Dear Alberto,
> >
> > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005, Alberto di Bene wrote:
> > > Do really exist A/D converters capable of 24-bit resolution at 30
> > > MHz bandwidth ?
> >
> > Why one need 24-bit? Though 16 bit is adequate for most SW,MW,LW
> > recievers. 16 bit yelds abt 90 dB dynamic range (every bit exept
> > sign bit yelds 6dB).
>
> This means that 1 bit give a sufficient MDS? The recovered audio is
> ON/OFF tone?
>
> > But this is dynamic range if there is no
> > filtering. When you make banwidth narrow by DSP then dynamic range
> > will be improved because noise decreases. If frontend sampling rate
> > is, say 100 MHz (there is such an ADC) and bandwidth of DSP filter
> > is about, say 10 kHz this yelds 40 dB of noise decreasing. Thus RX
> > dynamic range to be about 90+40=130 dB!   Realy DD is not 130 dB of
> > cose. But it much less due to analog (!) effects in ADC absolutely
> > similary as in conventional analog RX. This is not digital effect!
>
> But without a single channel roofing filter a 130 dB outband signal
> make the AD converter overload, despite any sampling rate. Or not?
>
> I have some unanswered question:
>
> 1- How many bits are needed for a good audio reproduction, i.e. a S/N
> ratio of 10 dB with some voice dynamics? Telephone signals usually
> are sampled 8 kHz 8 bits for a telephonic quality (with no
> compression). May be that 4 bits are sufficient but 1 bit I don't
> think.
>
> 2- Those bits are to be taken in account for calculating the dynamic
> range? i.e. 16 - 4 = 12 bits =72 dB dynamic range.
>
> 73 de Claudio, ik2pii
>
> -
> Claudio Pozzi  -  Happy Linux User  -  http://www.qsl.net/ik2pii
>
>
>
>
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Claudio Pozzi wrote:

> 
> But without a single channel roofing filter a 130 dB outband signal 
> make the AD converter overload, despite any sampling rate. Or not?

Keep total signal less then overload treshold. You do not (!) need have
weak desired signal more then lower sign meaning ('step of quantization'). 
Dithering will help you (see my previous msg).


73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb




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Dear Markus and Group,

On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 MarkusVester@aol.com wrote:

> >> Joe, VO1NA is waiting for authorisation renewal and is in the meanwhile
> transmitting under Part 15 regulations 1 watt input power on 189.8106 kHz. Joe
> was transmitting "N"s during the night. Screenshot <<
>
> WOW - this sounds sensational !! A Part-15 beacon with less than 1W to a
> miniature antenna, seen in Central Europe, amidst megawatt longwave BC
> transmitters ... are you really sure?

Well, not really...  In Canada, 160-190 kHz is similar to the US Part-15
as outlined in RSS-210.  The restrictions of RSS-210 can be somewhat
relaxed  with a "letter of authorsation".  The TX output was 5 watts
with 0.40 A aerial current to a 100 metre wire.

To the true "Part-15" operators, do not be discouraged... the TA quest
has not _yet_ been acheived with 1 watt and 15 metres of antenna, but
I'm working on it!

Congrats to Hartmut. By looking at his capture long enough, I can see 4
N's.

Hopefully my LOA for 2200 metres will be updated soon.  In the mean time,
I've been working on improving the frequency stability on 1600.


73
Joe

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<font size=3>To All from PA0SE<br><br>
German DARC magazine <i>CQ-DL</i> 3-2003 contains a review of a digital
receiver designed and made by HB9CBU.<br>
It covers 1.65 - 30 MHz.<br><br>
See attached block schematic diagram.<br><br>
The following results were obtained:<br><br>
Noise factor 15.5 dB<br><br>
IM free second order dynamic range 89.2 dB<br><br>
Second order intercept point 72.dBm at receiver input<br>
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>There is a very large BC station on 183 kHz (2 megawatts), so don't consider
>anything between there and 188 kHz.

Hi,

on " www.emwg.info " you could download the EURO-AFRICAN MEDIUM WAVE GUIDE
which lists ALL european and african (also lowwwww powers) stations on
longwave and mediumwave, also with times and power. This guide is free !
Maybe it will give some good ideas for any free channel LF TA tests for you...

73, Tom - DL8AAM




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Yes Peter. As far as I know, it is like you say.

   /3 Heinz, DM2BHG


"g3ldo" <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk> schrieb:
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> >
> > Have just read that the Zepp antenna is so named as it was once used as
> the
> > antenna towed behind Zeppelin airships.   Does anyone know if this is so?
> I've
> > certainly never come across any other derivation of its name.
> >
> Bit more on the Zep antenna in 'Antennas', p84 RadCom July 2003
> 
> Peter, G3LDO
> 
> 
> 



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Jay Rusgrove schrieb:
> Uwe & all
>
> Any TA activity planned for 135.922 this weekend? Condx seem pretty good
> at the moment. Will be capturing if anyone decides to "fire" up.
>
> Jay, W1VD
>
>
Hello Jay,

DJ8WX cant fire. one of the four 70m long horizontal aerial wires is lying 
on the gound somewhere in the snow.

regards
Uwe/dj8wx/jo43sv



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Hi,
    Any reference (description, schematics) please?

73 Alex

John Rabson wrote:
> It has been known for people to use an 807 as a first RF stage, and I believe that at World War II monitoring stations it was used as in broadband amplifiers to feed a substantial number of HROs and AR88s.
> 
> 73
> John G3PAI
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Alexander S. Yurkov wrote:

>Certanly if this 10uV signal is the only signal in ADC input then
>ADC gives zero code only. Nothing more. But we can add a noise with
>spectrum out of signal spectrum (so called 'dithering'). Then signals 
>can be digitized by the ADC. Added noise can be canceled by digital
>filtering then.
>  
>
Alex,
   I am familiar with the concept of noise dithering, but IMHO you can 
apply it only
when the added noise is spread all over the digitization bandwidth. In 
such a case you can gain
many bits of resolution doing a decimation after the oversampling.
But what you are saying is that I can put two pure sine signals at e.g. 
1 MHz, one of them
of 1V amplitude, and the other of 1uV amplitude, separated by, let's 
say, 1 kHz, digitize them with
a 16-bit, 100 MHz ADC and then, by simply decimating (low pass + 
subsampling) and applying a
post-decimation filter, I can resolve them ? I don't think it is 
possible, but, then, I have been wrong
other times...

73  Alberto  I2PHD



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<DIV>Hi All.</DIV>
<DIV>John, I can remember building a Rx using three 807's in which one was 
strapped as a triode as RF amp. In the mid 1950's they were often for sale at 
less than one shilling each (I shilling = 12 pence, £1 = 240 pence brfore the UK 
went decimal coinage). They would run with 45VDC on anode (plate) as HT (B+). 
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which didn't have a filament (heater), couldn't be made to glow purple and would 
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which would provide test match commentary in a corner of the school yard at 
lunchtimes with three-legged devices identified only by the colour of a paint 
spot, gained me so much popularity from my fellows (I cannot now remember what 
the equivalent epithet to "nerd" was) that I soon stopped believing that RCA 807 
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On Thu, 24 Feb 2005, Alberto di Bene wrote:
> But what you are saying is that I can put two pure sine signals at e.g. 
> 1 MHz, one of them
> of 1V amplitude, and the other of 1uV amplitude, separated by, let's 
> say, 1 kHz, digitize them with
> a 16-bit, 100 MHz ADC and then, by simply decimating (low pass + 
> subsampling) and applying a
> post-decimation filter, I can resolve them ? 

Why not if ADC overload treshold is more then 1V? Certanly noise dithering
assumed. If sigs are 'pure' sin then You can use generaly as narrow
bandwidth digital filter as You need. Then noise dithering an
quantisation noise deposit to out sig can be as small as is needed. If CPU
is powerfull enough of cose. May be I am not right but why, where mistake
is?

73 de RA9MB/Alex
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It is worth to add:

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Alexander S. Yurkov wrote:
> bandwidth digital filter as You need. Then noise dithering an
> quantisation noise deposit to out sig can be as small as is needed. If CPU
> is powerfull enough of cose. 

And if clock is ideal also.



73 de RA9MB/Alex
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I first heard about this from G3VA.  I believe he wrote about this in his monthly RADCOM column Technical Topics years ago.  It may also be in one of the histories of the Bletchley Park, Hanslope Park or some other part of World War II radio monitoring.  I will see what I can find.

73 John





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How about dance on the table for our ladies? :-D  :-D

Good morning it's Friday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mike

Dave Pick wrote:

>Dear all
>
>I have just aquired one of these antiques and it needs a bit of TLC...
>Does anyone have schematics or at least a block diagram?
>
>I would be grateful, pay costs, sing praises etc.
>
>Dave G3YXM
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>mailto:g3yxm@wireless.org.uk
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<DIV>Dear Pat and All,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; is "your" 807 the same tube as I 
remember: PA-tube, 6V heater, anode loss 25W, anode voltage 400 to 700V, 
penthode.</DIV>
<DIV>It was&nbsp;used for homebrew transmitters, often with the GELOSO-VFO ( CW 
and AM only ). One connection ontop of the glass, I think that was anode. A 
rather big tube. If it is the same - why building a receiver with 
it?&nbsp;&nbsp; :-)</DIV>
<DIV>73&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Walter&nbsp;&nbsp; DJ2LF</DIV>
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  href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> 
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  <DIV>Hi All.</DIV>
  <DIV>John, I can remember building a Rx using three 807's in which one was 
  strapped as a triode as RF amp. In the mid 1950's they were often for sale at 
  less than one shilling each (I shilling = 12 pence, £1 = 240 pence brfore the 
  UK went decimal coinage). They would run with 45VDC on anode (plate) as HT 
  (B+). For an impoverished schoolboy they were magic! When "three-legged fuses" 
  arrived many of us were shocked that someone had invented a destructable 
  active device which didn't have a filament (heater), couldn't be made to glow 
  purple and would "destruct" without a visible sign to suggest that it had ever 
  been connected to an electrical supply !</DIV>
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  <DIV>However, my ability to construct a Rx in a Woolworth plastic lunch box 
  which would provide test match commentary in a corner of the school yard at 
  lunchtimes with three-legged devices identified only by the colour of a paint 
  spot, gained me so much popularity from my fellows (I cannot now remember what 
  the equivalent epithet to "nerd" was) that I soon stopped believing that RCA 
  807 = "The Holy Grail" !</DIV>
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  <DIV>73 de Pat g4gvw</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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<P>Hi All ,</P>
<P>Wide Band Distribution amplifiers (4-8MHz for example)&nbsp;at Hanslope Park SCU3 monitoring station used 807 valves to drive several HRO recievers, there were 32 banks of 2, when I&nbsp;was there.They were&nbsp;designed by Dud Charman,&nbsp;who was also responsible for the Rhombic aerials of which there were many. Obviously capable of handling large signals without &nbsp;inter-mod (esential when we were looking for the weakest ones )&nbsp;and of driving many feet of coax cables via large&nbsp;plug/socket switching unit called "the Concentrator",for what reason I dont know..&nbsp;&nbsp;</P>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dear All,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DI2AG will transmit 
with QRO 4W ERP again Friday, Saturday and Sunday night, beginning 22UTC and 
ending 9UTC.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The mode will be QRSS60, transmitting only the two 
letters "AG"&nbsp; and an identification in regular CW. The QRG 440.044KHz will 
be connected to the German standard. I would be glad to receive reports, 
possibly from TA?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Walter&nbsp;&nbsp; 
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>RA3YO strong signal last nite 24/2025utc.&nbsp; 
Good 0 copy on 137.7 khz QRSV (QRS VISUAL)</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Antenna this end 80m perimiter vert loop parallel 
resonate for 137 khz</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73 de Mal/G3KEV/IO94SH</FONT></DIV>
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 Warren,
 only very faint traces around 0000z and just before 0600z.
 Poorer conditions last night than the nights before.

 73
 
 Hartmut


> WD2XGJ switched to 12 watts out at 21:35 Z 24 Feb.
> Freq 137.7797 (+/-)
> QRSS30


> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> FN42hi



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Going along with "off topic" I have a National HRO XM with a complete set
of Coils
it came from England and would date from 38/39. It is marked with the
number 16
painted on all the coil sets as well as the Receiver. My assumption was
it came from Lend Lease
and was set number 16 in a line up at a WW2 monitoring station
anyone on list have any info on these stations
reply off list is OK

Bob K3DJC


On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 11:07:01 +0000 "John Rabson"
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> I first heard about this from G3VA.  I believe he wrote about this in 
> his monthly RADCOM column Technical Topics years ago.  It may also 
> be in one of the histories of the Bletchley Park, Hanslope Park or 
> some other part of World War II radio monitoring.  I will see what I 
> can find.
> 
> 73 John
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


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Hello TA,

  I transmit this evening on 135.9222 QRSS60 AR AR AR

-- 
Best regards,
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thanks for the information. Will be watching and 
running captures. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jay, W1VD</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE 
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu href="mailto:yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu">YU7AR</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
  href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">RSGB LF</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, February 25, 2005 4:11 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: 135.922</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>Hello TA,<BR><BR>&nbsp; I transmit this evening on 135.9222 
  QRSS60 AR AR AR<BR><BR>-- <BR>Best 
  regards,<BR>&nbsp;YU7AR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Dear LF,<BR>
<BR>
... I'm joining in on 135922.4 /.5 (DFCW 100s), which is currently .3 / .4 Hz above Teo.<BR>
<BR>
73 de Markus, <BR>
DF6NM in JN59NK<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu: <BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Hello TA,<BR>
<BR>
 I transmit this evening on 135.9222 QRSS60 AR AR AR<BR>
<BR>
-- <BR>
Best regards,<BR>
YU7AR&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; mailto:yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu<BR>
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Hi Walter,

Getting a good signal from you tonight, but your characters seem to be
comming out incorrect, have a look at the attachment.

Capture from 2200z to about 2310z.

Regards

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Walter Staubach
Sent: 25 February 2005 16:14
To: RSGB LF
Subject: LF: DI2AG


Dear All,
      DI2AG will transmit with QRO 4W ERP again Friday, Saturday and Sunday
night, beginning 22UTC and ending 9UTC.
The mode will be QRSS60, transmitting only the two letters "AG"  and an
identification in regular CW. The QRG 440.044KHz will be connected to the
German standard. I would be glad to receive reports, possibly from TA?
73    Walter   DJ2LF

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From: "Walter Staubach"
       is "your" 807 the same tube as I remember: PA-tube, 6V heater, anode
loss 25W, anode voltage 400 to 700V, penthode.
It was used for homebrew transmitters, often with the GELOSO-VFO ( CW and AM
only ). One connection ontop of the glass, I think that was anode. A rather
big tube. If it is the same - why building a receiver with it?   :-)

The 807 was the most popular PA tube for HB in the 50s and 60s. They were
plentiful and reasonably cheap and could handle a lot of misuse. They were
tetrodes with an anode (plate) topcap.With a maximum PA voltage of around
750v and a current of 100mA they could put out around 40 or 50w.
I used a couple of 1625s (12.6v heater equivalent of the 807) in a zero bias
pushpull high level modulator.
The Geloso VFO was my first ever commercial ham radio purchase. I modified
it by replacing the 6V6 driver with a QVO-47.
I think the reason these high power tubes were used in receiver distribution
amplifiers is that they operated in the linear portion of the curve no
matter what large signal strength signals appeared in the passband.

Nostalgia aint what it used to be!

Peter G3LDO


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Hello Markus & readers list,

Your signal is very strong this nigth, 26/feb 02:00 UTC
My distance is 1190 km
Tomorrow I will send you a detailed reception report.

What is you estimated radiated power?

73 dx from Spain
Eduardo
http://usuarios.tripod.es/ea3ghs/vlf


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Thanks, Gary, for the report.
The characters should be AG, but sometimes seem to be MG or MO. I typed AG
into ON7YD`s program. Something mysterious.
73   Walter   DJ2LF

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Samstag, 26. Februar 2005 00:26
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>Hi Walter,
>
>Getting a good signal from you tonight, but your characters seem to be
>comming out incorrect, have a look at the attachment.
>
>Capture from 2200z to about 2310z.
>
>Regards
>
>Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Walter Staubach
>Sent: 25 February 2005 16:14
>To: RSGB LF
>Subject: LF: DI2AG
>
>
>Dear All,
>      DI2AG will transmit with QRO 4W ERP again Friday, Saturday and Sunday
>night, beginning 22UTC and ending 9UTC.
>The mode will be QRSS60, transmitting only the two letters "AG"  and an
>identification in regular CW. The QRG 440.044KHz will be connected to the
>German standard. I would be glad to receive reports, possibly from TA?
>73    Walter   DJ2LF
>



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<DIV>Hi Walter,</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>The simple answer is that the "impoverished schoolboy" obtained them for 
free by dismantling donated ex-govt. equipment together with many other 
components which in those days were of a size and robustness to withstand being 
re-used in a number of projects despite the soldering tool being of a type which 
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Better than no traces. Good Morning Jay.<br>
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Faint traces only...

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On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, YU7AR wrote:
> 
>   I transmit this evening on 135.9222 QRSS60 AR AR AR
> 

Nice copy here but only when QRM gone. Unfortunely QRM gone sometimes only
last night.

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb




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Jay Rusgrove wrote:
> Markus
> 
> Faint traces only...
> 
Null here in NC except what usually is a noise line on 922.5 appears 
well defined.  Argo time is EST.

http://w4dex.com/argo/temp/00021.jpg

However at about 1115 UTC a nice signal appeared for about 2 min. ??

http://w4dex.com/argo/temp/00032.jpg

Dex


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Thanks, Peter, for more infomation. We talk about the same 807, hi.
73   Walter

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
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An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
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>From: "Walter Staubach"
>       is "your" 807 the same tube as I remember: PA-tube, 6V heater, anode
>loss 25W, anode voltage 400 to 700V, penthode.
>It was used for homebrew transmitters, often with the GELOSO-VFO ( CW and
AM
>only ). One connection ontop of the glass, I think that was anode. A rather
>big tube. If it is the same - why building a receiver with it?   :-)
>
>The 807 was the most popular PA tube for HB in the 50s and 60s. They were
>plentiful and reasonably cheap and could handle a lot of misuse. They were
>tetrodes with an anode (plate) topcap.With a maximum PA voltage of around
>750v and a current of 100mA they could put out around 40 or 50w.
>I used a couple of 1625s (12.6v heater equivalent of the 807) in a zero
bias
>pushpull high level modulator.
>The Geloso VFO was my first ever commercial ham radio purchase. I modified
>it by replacing the 6V6 driver with a QVO-47.
>I think the reason these high power tubes were used in receiver
distribution
>amplifiers is that they operated in the linear portion of the curve no
>matter what large signal strength signals appeared in the passband.
>
>Nostalgia aint what it used to be!
>
>Peter G3LDO
>
>



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<DIV>That`s an explanation, that sounds familiar to me, hi.</DIV>
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  <DIV>Hi Walter,</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>The simple answer is that the "impoverished schoolboy" obtained them for 
  free by dismantling donated ex-govt. equipment together with many other 
  components which in those days were of a size and robustness to withstand 
  being re-used in a number of projects despite the soldering tool being of a 
  type which needed heating over a flame from the gas stove!</DIV>
  <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV>73 de g4gvw</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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Hi Walter,

did you disable "power save mode" and screensaver on your PC ?
If one of these becomes active it might interfere with other software 
(such as QRS).
If the problem persists please send me all QRS parameters (or even 
better send me the QRS.SET file you will find in the same directory as 
QRS.EXE) and I will see if I can reconstruct the error and fix it.

73, Rik  ON7YD

Citeren Walter Staubach <walter.staubach@fen-net.de>:

> Thanks, Gary, for the report.
> The characters should be AG, but sometimes seem to be MG or MO. I
> typed AG
> into ON7YD`s program. Something mysterious.
> 73   Walter   DJ2LF
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Datum: Samstag, 26. Februar 2005 00:26
> Betreff: LF: RE: DI2AG
> 
> 
> >Hi Walter,
> >
> >Getting a good signal from you tonight, but your characters seem to
> be
> >comming out incorrect, have a look at the attachment.
> >
> >Capture from 2200z to about 2310z.
> >
> >Regards
> >
> >Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
> >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Walter
> Staubach
> >Sent: 25 February 2005 16:14
> >To: RSGB LF
> >Subject: LF: DI2AG
> >
> >
> >Dear All,
> >      DI2AG will transmit with QRO 4W ERP again Friday, Saturday and
> Sunday
> >night, beginning 22UTC and ending 9UTC.
> >The mode will be QRSS60, transmitting only the two letters "AG"  and
> an
> >identification in regular CW. The QRG 440.044KHz will be connected
> to the
> >German standard. I would be glad to receive reports, possibly from
> TA?
> >73    Walter   DJ2LF
> >
> 
> 
> 





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Yes, did all that, worked a YL on ten-metres  - W1MCW from my father's
attic, she sounded like Jane Russell, I thought , and that life could hold
nothing better. Somehow it wasn't quite so much fun when I turned 18 and got
a licence.

Bryan


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In message <90.585d5643.2f51bf7b@aol.com>, G4gvw@aol.com writes
>Hi Walter,
>
>The simple answer is that the "impoverished schoolboy" obtained them for
>free by dismantling donated ex-govt. equipment together with many other
>components which in those days were of a size and robustness to withstand
>being re-used in a number of projects despite the soldering tool being of a
>type which needed heating over a flame from the gas stove!

Absolutely! I built a Tx with 4x807 in parallel in the PA. I was
disappointed to find that it would not work with 4 on 10m, so  had to
pull one out for that band. Shunt Capacity? What Shunt Capacity?

Mike  G3IJE





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If someone is in need of these tubes: I still have two of them


    Heinz, DM2BHG



"Walter Staubach" <walter.staubach@fen-net.de> schrieb:
> Thanks, Peter, for more infomation. We talk about the same 807, hi.
> 73   Walter
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: g3ldo <g3ldo@ukonline.co.uk>
> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
> Datum: Samstag, 26. Februar 2005 00:35
> Betreff: LF: Re: 807s
> 
> 
> >From: "Walter Staubach"
> >       is "your" 807 the same tube as I remember: PA-tube, 6V heater, anode
> >loss 25W, anode voltage 400 to 700V, penthode.
> >It was used for homebrew transmitters, often with the GELOSO-VFO ( CW and
> AM
> >only ). One connection ontop of the glass, I think that was anode. A rather
> >big tube. If it is the same - why building a receiver with it?   :-)
> >
> >The 807 was the most popular PA tube for HB in the 50s and 60s. They were
> >plentiful and reasonably cheap and could handle a lot of misuse. They were
> >tetrodes with an anode (plate) topcap.With a maximum PA voltage of around
> >750v and a current of 100mA they could put out around 40 or 50w.
> >I used a couple of 1625s (12.6v heater equivalent of the 807) in a zero
> bias
> >pushpull high level modulator.
> >The Geloso VFO was my first ever commercial ham radio purchase. I modified
> >it by replacing the 6V6 driver with a QVO-47.
> >I think the reason these high power tubes were used in receiver
> distribution
> >amplifiers is that they operated in the linear portion of the curve no
> >matter what large signal strength signals appeared in the passband.
> >
> >Nostalgia aint what it used to be!
> >
> >Peter G3LDO
> >
> >
> 
> 
> 



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Dear Jay, Eduardo, Alex, Dexter, Juan, Teo and LF Group,<BR>
<BR>
thank you very much for watching and reporting our beacon activities.<BR>
<BR>
Teo's signal on 922.1 was actually amazingly strong here, peaking up to 20 µV/m. For a short time around 22:40, there seemed to be some activity on 922.05 as well.<BR>
<BR>
Jay, your weak traces are well appreciated here. Though we can't call it a complete callsign, all the ingredients are there: gimme an M, F6N, D ;-) Very nice. What was the time of your screenshot?<BR>
<BR>
Last night my antenna current with ~160 W of RF was about 2.3 A, no corona visible this time. With 10.4 m eff. height, this amounts to 0.19 W radiated power (0.34 W dipole-ERP), slightly less than the glowing optimum achieved three weeks ago (3.0 A , 0.58 W ERP).<BR>
<BR>
Tonight I could come on again, if wind conditions allow - they forecasted 15 knots from NE, which unfortunately is the sector lacking a guy wire.<BR>
<BR>
Greetings and good luck to all<BR>
<BR>
Markus, DF6NM <BR>
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Thanks, Rik, for your explanation. At least the screensaver is activated.
Let´s see this night, will again transmit with QRO and QRSS60 charakters AG.
73   Walter

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Rik Strobbe <Rik.Strobbe@fys.kuleuven.ac.be>
An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Datum: Samstag, 26. Februar 2005 16:24
Betreff: Re: LF: Re: RE: DI2AG


>Hi Walter,
>
>did you disable "power save mode" and screensaver on your PC ?
>If one of these becomes active it might interfere with other software
>(such as QRS).
>If the problem persists please send me all QRS parameters (or even
>better send me the QRS.SET file you will find in the same directory as
>QRS.EXE) and I will see if I can reconstruct the error and fix it.
>
>73, Rik  ON7YD
>
>Citeren Walter Staubach <walter.staubach@fen-net.de>:
>
>> Thanks, Gary, for the report.
>> The characters should be AG, but sometimes seem to be MG or MO. I
>> typed AG
>> into ON7YD`s program. Something mysterious.
>> 73   Walter   DJ2LF
>>
>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>> Von: Gary - G4WGT <g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk>
>> An: rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>> Datum: Samstag, 26. Februar 2005 00:26
>> Betreff: LF: RE: DI2AG
>>
>>
>> >Hi Walter,
>> >
>> >Getting a good signal from you tonight, but your characters seem to
>> be
>> >comming out incorrect, have a look at the attachment.
>> >
>> >Capture from 2200z to about 2310z.
>> >
>> >Regards
>> >
>> >Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp
>> >
>> >
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
>> >[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Walter
>> Staubach
>> >Sent: 25 February 2005 16:14
>> >To: RSGB LF
>> >Subject: LF: DI2AG
>> >
>> >
>> >Dear All,
>> >      DI2AG will transmit with QRO 4W ERP again Friday, Saturday and
>> Sunday
>> >night, beginning 22UTC and ending 9UTC.
>> >The mode will be QRSS60, transmitting only the two letters "AG"  and
>> an
>> >identification in regular CW. The QRG 440.044KHz will be connected
>> to the
>> >German standard. I would be glad to receive reports, possibly from
>> TA?
>> >73    Walter   DJ2LF
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>



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Markus

I'll be running 135922 captures again tonight in case you or other EU
stations are transmitting.

Jay, W1VD


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MarkusVester@aol.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 2:35 PM
Subject: LF: 135922, Feb 26


Dear Jay, Eduardo, Alex, Dexter, Juan, Teo and LF Group,

thank you very much for watching and reporting our beacon activities.

Teo's signal on 922.1 was actually amazingly strong here, peaking up to
20
µV/m. For a short time around 22:40, there seemed to be some activity on
922.05
as well.

Jay, your weak traces are well appreciated here. Though we can't call it
a
complete callsign, all the ingredients are there: gimme an M, F6N, D ;-)
Very
nice. What was the time of your screenshot?

Last night my antenna current with ~160 W of RF was about 2.3 A, no
corona
visible this time. With 10.4 m eff. height, this amounts to 0.19 W
radiated
power (0.34 W dipole-ERP), slightly less than the glowing optimum
achieved three
weeks ago (3.0 A , 0.58 W ERP).

Tonight I could come on again, if wind conditions allow - they
forecasted 15
knots from NE, which unfortunately is the sector lacking a guy wire.

Greetings and good luck to all

Markus, DF6NM



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Hi LF Group,<BR>
<BR>
quite a bit of Eu activity around 135.922 kHz, now at 2245:<BR>
<BR>
923.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; long dash (SM6BHZ ?)<BR>
922.4/.5 DF6NM<BR>
922.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; YU7AR "AR"<BR>
921.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; G3AQC "AQC"<BR>
919.3/.8 PA0SE<BR>
<BR>
73 and good luck to all<BR>
<BR>
Markus, DF6NM <BR>
</FONT></HTML>

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Added captures of  G3XIZ, DL3ZID, S57A, YU7AR, DK1IS and
RA3YO(25th)to my website:

 http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm



  
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Markus

The capture was centered on about 0530Z.

Jay, W1VD


----- Original Message ----- 
From: <MarkusVester@aol.com>
To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 2:35 PM
Subject: LF: 135922, Feb 26


Dear Jay, Eduardo, Alex, Dexter, Juan, Teo and LF Group,

thank you very much for watching and reporting our beacon activities.

Teo's signal on 922.1 was actually amazingly strong here, peaking up to
20
µV/m. For a short time around 22:40, there seemed to be some activity on
922.05
as well.

Jay, your weak traces are well appreciated here. Though we can't call it
a
complete callsign, all the ingredients are there: gimme an M, F6N, D ;-)
Very
nice. What was the time of your screenshot?

Last night my antenna current with ~160 W of RF was about 2.3 A, no
corona
visible this time. With 10.4 m eff. height, this amounts to 0.19 W
radiated
power (0.34 W dipole-ERP), slightly less than the glowing optimum
achieved three
weeks ago (3.0 A , 0.58 W ERP).

Tonight I could come on again, if wind conditions allow - they
forecasted 15
knots from NE, which unfortunately is the sector lacking a guy wire.

Greetings and good luck to all

Markus, DF6NM


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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi group,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Yes it is me test 135.923 ! One broken isolator 
;-(&nbsp; QRT !!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Good luck to all !</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73 de SM6BHZ Gus</FONT></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE 
style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
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  <A title=MarkusVester@aol.com 
  href="mailto:MarkusVester@aol.com">MarkusVester@aol.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
  href="mailto:rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org">rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org</A> 
  </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, February 26, 2005 11:47 
  PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> LF: 135922, Feb 26/27</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=2 face=Arial size=2 
  FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">Hi LF Group,<BR><BR>quite a bit of Eu activity 
  around 135.922 kHz, now at 2245:<BR><BR>923.0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; long 
  dash (SM6BHZ ?)<BR>922.4/.5 DF6NM<BR>922.2&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; YU7AR 
  "AR"<BR>921.3&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; G3AQC "AQC"<BR>919.3/.8 PA0SE<BR><BR>73 
  and good luck to all<BR><BR>Markus, DF6NM 
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Another 135922 grabber at:

  http://www.advancedreceiver.com/pageVD12.html

Will update as appropriate.

Jay


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Hello Markus and other,

I start 22:00 in 00:30 abt. burnin my loading coil, top on antena
maybe today repair this.

GL, Teo YU7AR



Hello MarkusVester,

Saturday, February 26, 2005, 11:47:56 PM, you wrote:

Mac> Hi LF Group,

Mac> quite a bit of Eu activity around 135.922 kHz, now at 2245:

Mac> 923.0     long dash (SM6BHZ ?)
Mac> 922.4/.5 DF6NM
Mac> 922.2     YU7AR "AR"
Mac> 921.3     G3AQC "AQC"
Mac> 919.3/.8 PA0SE

Mac> 73 and good luck to all

Mac> Markus, DF6NM 
 



-- 
Best regards,
 YU7AR                            mailto:yu7ar@pyrotherm.co.yu



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<P>Many thanks for reports:-</P>
<P>Dex, Jay, Warren, also Marcus.</P>
<P>Condx looked good so thought I would burn a few spiders Hi!</P>
<P>Changed TX power supply, old one got very hot and dropped voltage , so last night 1W all the time .</P>
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<P>Hi All,</P>
<P>Can't keep my hands off those glowing things, just completed a tuneable&nbsp;Pre-selector for 136-138kHz with 300Hz bandwidth, uses two 12AT7's. Could have used Fet's&nbsp;I guess but valves more fun and anyway my fingers too arthritic these days. Dont forget valves bite (only twice this time, but!&nbsp;) and off the shelf box's don't have enough ventillation slots these days, valves get hot!!!&nbsp;</P>
<P>73 Laurie.</P>
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<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>Laurie,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma>I've been using an LF preselector with an EF37 amp for 
some years - otherwise known as the R107 LF unit!&nbsp; I did a little article 
for&nbsp;RADCOM sometime in 1964 about the theory of those 807 distribution 
amplifiers and how to&nbsp;make one. It was their linearlity with big signals 
that made them so useful. &nbsp;Most warships used them so they could put out kW 
nearby and still be able to listen. </FONT></DIV>
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Teo, Laurie, Markus, Dick

See captures below.

AR - before meltdown?

AQC - vy strong all night right through fadeout at ~0700Z. Every string
copied.

DF6NM - finally!

PA0SE - sri, noticed too late that you were below screen cutoff. Will
make sure not to do that next time ;~(

Markus...your frequency readout at the beginning of the evening is
helpful - especially so if I had looked at it a bit closer...

http://www.advancedreceiver.com/capture/135922022705A.jpg

http://www.advancedreceiver.com/capture/135922022705B.jpg

Jay, W1VD


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC" <laurie@g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk>
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Subject: LF: Re. TA


> Many thanks for reports:-
> Dex, Jay, Warren, also Marcus.
> Condx looked good so thought I would burn a few spiders Hi!
> Changed TX power supply, old one got very hot and dropped voltage , so
last night 1W all the time .
> 73 Laurie.
>
> -- 
>
> Whatever you Wanadoo:
> http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/
>
> This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at:
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Dear Jay and TA folks,<BR>
<BR>
...nice to see that, such a capture makes all the efforts worthwhile ! All this with the help of the Master of Kp's, who created a suitable drop at the right time - see snapshot taken from <A HREF="www.sec.noaa.gov/today.html">www.sec.noaa.gov/today.html</A>&nbsp; ;-)&nbsp; <BR>
<BR>
To help sorting out European TA frequencies, I have a 135.922 window on the bottom of my screen grabber <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/df6nm/Grabber.htm">http://members.aol.com/df6nm/Grabber.htm</A> . Of course it's usefulness is somehow limited between my own transmissions, but often it's still possible to identify the fragments by their colour / direction.<BR>
<BR>
Good luck to Gus and Teo for their antenna repairs. You're not alone - one of my two northerly copper wires actually broke this morning, will try to fix it later today.<BR>
<BR>
Thanks very much for making my day.<BR>
<BR>
Markus,<BR>
DF6NM in JN59NK<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
In einer eMail vom 27.02.2005 13:27:09 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt JRusgrove@comcast.net: <BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Teo, Laurie, Markus, Dick<BR>
<BR>
See captures below.<BR>
<BR>
AR - before meltdown?<BR>
<BR>
AQC - vy strong all night right through fadeout at ~0700Z. Every string<BR>
copied.<BR>
<BR>
DF6NM - finally!<BR>
<BR>
PA0SE - sri, noticed too late that you were below screen cutoff. Will<BR>
make sure not to do that next time ;~(<BR>
<BR>
Markus...your frequency readout at the beginning of the evening is<BR>
helpful - especially so if I had looked at it a bit closer...<BR>
<BR>
http://www.advancedreceiver.com/capture/135922022705A.jpg<BR>
<BR>
http://www.advancedreceiver.com/capture/135922022705B.jpg<BR>
<BR>
Jay, W1VD</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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G3AQC at 2300 utc:

http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz/g3aqc_26feb05.jpg

After darkness moved west QRN from Southwestern US raised my noise 
level.  Laurie's signal was detectable but not Q5 until noise subsided 
after 0400 utc.

http://w4dex.com/argo/135khz/g3aqc_27feb05.jpg

Dex


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Over the years I have encountered a number of locator systems:

Latitude and longitude

GB national grid references

QRA locator

QTH locator

Georef

Maidenhead

I am planning some HF propagation experiments from underground and need to know which locator I should be using for indicating my location in the UK.  If the answer is not NGR I would want to feed the latter into a computer program.

Suggestions, please?

Regards,
John Rabson G3PAI




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I don't know how long this will last, but if you want to see how lovely the
LF noise can be in Germany, check out Markus' screen grabber:
http://members.aol.com/DF6NM/Grabber.htm

John A.




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If you want to communicate with navigators in general and not just
radio-hams then ,  then Lat.  Long. seems obvious in view of universal GPS
users

Bryan


----- Original Message -----
From: John Rabson <word.factory@zetnet.co.uk>
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Over the years I have encountered a number of locator systems:

Latitude and longitude

GB national grid references

QRA locator

QTH locator

Georef

Maidenhead

I am planning some HF propagation experiments from underground and need to
know which locator I should be using for indicating my location in the UK.
If the answer is not NGR I would want to feed the latter into a computer
program.

Suggestions, please?

Regards,
John Rabson G3PAI







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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Where has all the dx gone from 137 
khz.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>GI, EI, LX, GW, GM, LA etc</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I have not heard any of these countries active for 
years. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Activity on LF is certainly not 
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger1" <boffin1@compuserve.com>
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Subject: Re: Re[2]: LF: Off Topic Ft101zd


I enjoyed the comments about the impoverished schoolboy, I was one myself
when I joined the RSGB in the early 1930s and nearly everything in my shack
(strictly an upstairs bedroom) was home made, That was real HAM radio'
73 de Roger, G2AJV.

Today we have an abundance of APPLIANCE OPERATORS and no RADIO AMATEURS.
Most of todays AO's never heard of a fuse or a PL259, if the box goes wrong
it goes back to the the supplier just like the TOASTER or the KETTLE and do
not mention the MORSE CODE for communications, or a Dictionary, the
vocabulary now consists of several phrases used over and over again and
usually spoken in a GARBLE.
Listen on 80 metres for a sample.
G3KEV

73 de Mal/G3KEV





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Mal,
    Activity in the U.S. is increasing, in the past year WD2XES,WD2XFX, WD2XGI, and WD2XGJ have all gotten on. WD2XDW got back on from his new QTH.
And this despite having NO ham privilges, we all had to get through the extra paperwork and expense of a Part 5 experimental license.

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi





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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Dear John,<BR>
<BR>
funny thing... after some fiddling I figured that the PC's audio subsystem had apparently lost a single sample in a stereo pair, to the effect of exchanging left and right channels. Consequently, azimuth directions and phase corrections were reversed, and brightness proportional to the turnstile loops' signal instead of the E-field. An ugly but typical example how the SNR on these loops is gradually getting worse and worse, with the ever increasing number of switchmode power supplies in the nearby neighbourhood. In the end I had to use the usual fix (ie. restart Windows) - you can't turn your back on these machines, not even for a couple of minutes ;-).<BR>
<BR>
Many thanks for the report, it's good to know that someone is watching out there...<BR>
<BR>
73 de Markus, DF6NM<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
w1tag@w1tag.com, 27.02.2005, 17:46:01 UT: <BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">I don't know how long this will last, but if you want to see how lovely the<BR>
LF noise can be in Germany, check out Markus' screen grabber:<BR>
http://members.aol.com/DF6NM/Grabber.htm<BR>
<BR>
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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Hi Gary,<BR>
<BR>
if you moved a little closer to the rest of the gang (below say 135.924), your signal might well be seen by one of us QRSS30+ watchers on either side of the pond...<BR>
<BR>
73 and good luck with your new antenna<BR>
<BR>
Markus, DF6NM<BR>
<BR>
g4wgt@tiscali.co.uk, 27.02.2005, 18:55 UT: <BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">... I am proceding with on air tests tonight using QRS3, about 200<BR>
watts DC input on a frequency of 135,930 KHz...<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
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On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, hamilton mal wrote:
> Today we have an abundance of APPLIANCE OPERATORS and no RADIO AMATEURS.
> Most of todays AO's never heard of a fuse or a PL259, if the box goes wrong
> it goes back to the the supplier just like the TOASTER or the KETTLE and do
> not mention the MORSE CODE for communications, or a Dictionary, the
> vocabulary now consists of several phrases used over and over again and
> usually spoken in a GARBLE.
> Listen on 80 metres for a sample.
> G3KEV

True, true...

73 de RA9MB/Alex
http://www.qsl.net/ra9mb




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Hi Warren that explains you "non-re-appearance" with john just before dawn.
John has a schedule from my captures.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
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> WD2XGJ is running 12 watts on 137.7797 QRSS30 starting at 04:20 27
February.
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> FN42hi
>
>
>
>



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Alan,
    Yes and I was completely off the air from 0:300 to 0:420 as I was receiving G3AQC at that time.

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi


> Hi Warren that explains you "non-re-appearance" with john just before dawn.
> John has a schedule from my captures.
> 
> Cheers de Alan G3NYK
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" <k2ors@comcast.net>
> To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>;
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> Sent: 27 February 2005 04:26
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> 
> 
> > WD2XGJ is running 12 watts on 137.7797 QRSS30 starting at 04:20 27
> February.
> >
> > --
> > 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> > FN42hi
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> 


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<DIV><SPAN class=375220120-27022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Hi 
Markus,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=375220120-27022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=375220120-27022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks 
for your advice, I will move shortly to about 135,923.5</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=375220120-27022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=375220120-27022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Is 
there a grabber in Europe showing this frequency?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=375220120-27022005><FONT size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=375220120-27022005><FONT size=2>Regards,<BR><BR>Gary - G4WGT - 
IO83qp </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
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  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of 
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  Tests<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT lang=2 face=Arial 
  size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">Hi Gary,<BR><BR>if you moved a little 
  closer to the rest of the gang (below say 135.924), your signal might well be 
  seen by one of us QRSS30+ watchers on either side of the pond...<BR><BR>73 and 
  good luck with your new antenna<BR><BR>Markus, 
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  TYPE="CITE">... I am proceding with on air tests tonight using QRS3, about 
    200<BR>watts DC input on a frequency of 135,930 
KHz...<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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Gary,

>Thanks for your advice, I will move shortly to about 135,923.5
>Is there a grabber in Europe showing this frequency?

Anybody regularly watching that frequency range would have their stuff set
for 30-second dot or slower signals. A "QRSS3" signal would be a fat blur.
If you could slow down, it would improve your chances there.

That being said, Markus runs an excellent grabber at:
http://members.aol.com/DF6NM/Grabber.htm
If you do want to try the QRSS3 mode, move up to the 137.700 area, and look
at the top of his screen. Otherwise, the 135.922 area is on the bottom of
the screen.

John Andrews




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    Activity in the U.S. is increasing, in the past year WD2XES,WD2XFX, WD2XGI, and WD2XGJ have all gotten on. WD2XDW got back on from his new QTH.
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  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Where has all the dx gone from 137
khz.</font></div>
  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">GI, EI, LX, GW, GM, LA etc</font></div>
  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">I have not heard any of these
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  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Activity on LF is certainly not
improving.</font></div>
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  <div><font face="Arial" size="2">de G3KEV</font></div>
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Hi John & Markus,

I am carrying out tests at the moment for the first time on air using the
modified PA & rebuilt antenna, not looking for contacts or DX as yet, only
using about 200 watts at the moment.

I have found Markus's grabber but not sure how that is working as it is
showing 1 hr markers.

I could also look at Bryans if I QSY'd to top end of band.

Thanks for your help.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org
[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of John Andrews
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Gary,

>Thanks for your advice, I will move shortly to about 135,923.5
>Is there a grabber in Europe showing this frequency?

Anybody regularly watching that frequency range would have their stuff set
for 30-second dot or slower signals. A "QRSS3" signal would be a fat blur.
If you could slow down, it would improve your chances there.

That being said, Markus runs an excellent grabber at:
http://members.aol.com/DF6NM/Grabber.htm
If you do want to try the QRSS3 mode, move up to the 137.700 area, and look
at the top of his screen. Otherwise, the 135.922 area is on the bottom of
the screen.

John Andrews





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Hi, Gary.

I copied part of your callsign on 137.592, but it seemed to stop part way
through the "G" of WGT. (Screenshot attached) There is also a big TA signal
just LF of your frequency. You were "O" copy QRSS3 in IO91RM, near Slough.

Cheers,

Dave G3WCB

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Hi John & Markus,

I am carrying out tests at the moment for the first time on air using the
modified PA & rebuilt antenna, not looking for contacts or DX as yet, only
using about 200 watts at the moment.

I have found Markus's grabber but not sure how that is working as it is
showing 1 hr markers.

I could also look at Bryans if I QSY'd to top end of band.

Thanks for your help.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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size=2>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; DI2AG 
on 440.044KHz will QRO 4W ERP beginning 22UTC ending 9UTC in the 
morning.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Mode QRSS60, transmitting AG only. I will put a 
space between the CW-ID and the A, so the letter should really look like A and 
not M.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Made this mistake weeks before, pse 
excuse.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>73&nbsp;&nbsp; Walter</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></BODY></HTML>

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OOOOPS !!!!!

Hi All,

Just noticed no RF output showing & SWR 1.5:1, not good., switched off &
went to investigate.

Found a random loose wire from a nearby antenna had blown accross the LF
vertical feeder & had welded to it with spark.

No damage that I can see, Tx seems OK now at 200 watts & SWR OK.






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Hi Dave,

Slight mishap, see mail just posted, thanks for your report.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp 

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Hi, Gary.

I copied part of your callsign on 137.592, but it seemed to stop part way
through the "G" of WGT. (Screenshot attached) There is also a big TA signal
just LF of your frequency. You were "O" copy QRSS3 in IO91RM, near Slough.

Cheers,

Dave G3WCB



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Sorry All,

I didn't sign it.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp 

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OOOOPS !!!!!

Hi All,

Just noticed no RF output showing & SWR 1.5:1, not good., switched off &
went to investigate.

Found a random loose wire from a nearby antenna had blown accross the LF
vertical feeder & had welded to it with spark.

No damage that I can see, Tx seems OK now at 200 watts & SWR OK.






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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Dear Jay, Bryan, John and LF,<BR>
<BR>
Jay, just pushed the pole up the chimney for the last couple of meters, everything seems to be fine so far... so I intend to get back on air around 22:30 (135922.4/.5, DFCW 100).<BR>
<BR>
Bryan, the captures on my grabber should be refreshing every 20 minutes. I am actually seeing a strong blue trace on 135921.4 now, could that be you, or perhaps Laurie? - Other European grabbers with full-band views are Dave's <A HREF="http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/">http://www.wireless.org.uk/grab/</A> (if it's on) and Brian's <A HREF="http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/136_graph.htm">http://homepage.esoterica.pt/~brian/136_graph.htm</A> in Portugal (updating on the hour).<BR>
<BR>
Best wishes<BR>
<BR>
Markus,<BR>
DF6NM in JN59NK<BR>
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Hi, Gary.

Got the full thing this time! How tall is the stick now?

Cheers,

Dave G3WCB IO91RM

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Hi, Gary.

I copied part of your callsign on 137.592, but it seemed to stop part way
through the "G" of WGT. (Screenshot attached) There is also a big TA signal
just LF of your frequency. You were "O" copy QRSS3 in IO91RM, near Slough.

Cheers,

Dave G3WCB


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Hi All,

Maybe someone might be interested in obtaining the high-tech built
Schwarzbeck VLF EMI receiver type LSME 1530A (10-150 kHz; 1dB-step attenuator).
Operational state, however not recently calibrated.
Responses please to my email direct.
73,
Marcus, PA0MLC



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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Hi Gary,<BR>
<BR>
there was a slightly blurred trace here on 923.6 (2.2 Hz above AQC), ending at 21:33 ... if you could go to QRSS30, I could probably read it.<BR>
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<DIV><SPAN class=109550222-27022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks 
Markus,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=109550222-27022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=109550222-27022005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I saw 
that myself, but I will run more tests before running longer dot times, just 
been using 200 watts tonight.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Regards,<BR><BR>Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp </FONT></P></SPAN></DIV>
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  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> 
  owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org 
  [mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]<B>On Behalf Of 
  </B>MarkusVester@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> 27 February 2005 21:58<BR><B>To:</B> 
  rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: LF: G4WGT - 
  &lt;another&gt; Report<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><FONT face=arial,helvetica><FONT 
  lang=2 face=Arial size=2 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" PTSIZE="10">Hi Gary,<BR><BR>there 
  was a slightly blurred trace here on 923.6 (2.2 Hz above AQC), ending at 21:33 
  ... if you could go to QRSS30, I could probably read it.<BR><BR>73 de 
  Markus<BR></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></FONT></BODY></HTML>

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Hi Dave,

Thanks for screen shot, I can just see a faint trace on Markus's grabber.

Tha antenna has a vertical of 14 mtrs to the top of the mast of which the
top 4 mtrs is fibreglass, the vertical is stood off from the mast by about
1.5 mtrs on a fibreglass arm to about 10 mtrs up, the vertical goes
diagonaly to the top at 14 mtrs. There are then 4 radials comming down to
join the first top turn on a double spiral end/top load of approx 1 mH
(about 1.3 x 1.3 mtrs square) then 2 bow tie radials from the last bottom
turn for additional capacity. The antenna current tonight using 200 watts
was 1.6 Amps. The modified G0MRF Tx PA will go to 645 watts DC input if I
dare risk it into the antenna. I am using a 240 v mains variac on the supply
to control the Tx output but it gets quite hot so it must be at its limit
when controlling the Tx at 200 watts, I will have to find a higher current
variac to go to higher power safely.

I will probably run more tests during weekday evenings. Going down stairs to
join the XYL now.

73

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org]On Behalf Of Dave G3WCB
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Hi, Gary.

Got the full thing this time! How tall is the stick now?

Cheers,

Dave G3WCB IO91RM

-----Original Message-----
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Hi, Gary.

I copied part of your callsign on 137.592, but it seemed to stop part way
through the "G" of WGT. (Screenshot attached) There is also a big TA signal
just LF of your frequency. You were "O" copy QRSS3 in IO91RM, near Slough.

Cheers,

Dave G3WCB




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Nice early copy of AQC starting at 2200Z - 40 minutes before local
sunset.

Will update grabber frequenctly.

http://www.advancedreceiver.com/pageVD12.html

Jay, W1VD



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<P>Hi Jay and all,</P>
<P>Jay great that you are recieving so early, I will run once more then&nbsp;must get to bed.</P>
<P>73&nbsp; Laurie.&nbsp;&nbsp;</P><BR><BR><hr size="1">Whatever you <a href="http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/" target="_blank">Wanadoo</a><br><br>This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more <a href="http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm" target="_blank">here</a>

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> Nice early copy of AQC starting at 2200Z - 40 minutes before local
> sunset.

A bit choppier here, but still good to see.

John Andrews



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Laurie

Thanks for your efforts.

That's the earliest "ham" TA I've received by many hours.

Great signal...sleep well...

Jay



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> Hi Jay and all,
> Jay great that you are recieving so early, I will run once more then
must get to bed.
> 73  Laurie.
>
> -- 
>
> Whatever you Wanadoo:
> http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/
>
> This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at:
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Too early for an opening here in OK as its light till around  0030Z or so 
here-

Im back from XE and will put a report out later but Part 5 stations XGJ, 
XDW, XFX and by no means least XES were received whiilst operating in the 
car from the Carribean coast south of Cancun- also some DFCW to look at 
again for someone txing on 135,921 dfcw60 around 0.2Hz 0405z 22nd Feb.


XDW  137,7752/6 will be intermittently off/on from 2300Z 27th Feb 2005 so I 
can take a look for Eu et al. No changes in aerial current since last tune 
up, just about 2 months ago!!


Laurence KL1X/5 Em26aq Oklahoma.




>From: Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC <laurie@g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk>
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>Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 00:02:46 +0100 (CET)
>
>Hi Jay and all,
>Jay great that you are recieving so early, I will run once more then must 
>get to bed.
>73  Laurie.
>
>--
>
>Whatever you Wanadoo:
>http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/
>
>This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: 
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John Andrews wrote:
>>Nice early copy of AQC starting at 2200Z - 40 minutes before local
>>sunset.
> 
> 
> A bit choppier here, but still good to see.
> 
> John Andrews

Very light copy here closer to the equator.  Part5 plot noise level is 5 
to 10 dB above last nights level.

http://www.w4dex.com/argo/135khz.html

Dex


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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Hi Laurence,<BR>
<BR>
welcome home again. Looking into my recorded captures, on Feb 22 the only active Eu station thereabouts was YU7AR, transmitting "AR" on 135921.1, QRSS60 (not DFCW).<BR>
<BR>
Tonight I can see AQC strong on 921.4, some activity on 921.8 since ~23:20, and myself on 922.4/.5 DFCW - hope to be going till sunrise.<BR>
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Greetings<BR>
<BR>
Markus, DF6NM<BR>
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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">&gt;&gt; ... - also some DFCW to look at again for someone txing on 135,921 dfcw60 around 0.2Hz 0405z 22nd Feb. &lt;&lt;<BR>
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Thanks Markus - I was going to put an email out like "who was that 
transmitting on...." but decided against that!

Im reviewing the captures again from XE and will post some directly to the 
interested parties and also some photos from this recent trip on my web site 
later.

Ill post Eu TA captures to on Argo 2 tab from 000z  on 
http://myweb.cableone.net/flow


CHeers Laurence KL1X/5

>From: MarkusVester@aol.com
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>Date: Sun, 27 Feb 2005 18:42:32 EST
>
>Hi Laurence,
>
>welcome home again. Looking into my recorded captures, on Feb 22 the only
>active Eu station thereabouts was YU7AR, transmitting "AR" on 135921.1, 
>QRSS60
>(not DFCW).
>
>Tonight I can see AQC strong on 921.4, some activity on 921.8 since ~23:20,
>and myself on 922.4/.5 DFCW - hope to be going till sunrise.
>
>Greetings
>
>Markus, DF6NM
>
>
> > >> ... - also some DFCW to look at again for someone txing on 135,921
> > dfcw60 around 0.2Hz 0405z 22nd Feb. <<
> >
>




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Strong signals from XES and XGJ last night.

Captures can be seen here:

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Dear valve/tube enthusiasts,

Frank Philipse in the Netherlands has made a hobby out of
collecting tube data sheets. His web site has >20000 (!)
data sheets avaliable for download.

www.tubedata.org

Probably the most comprehensive tube data site on this planet.

73
Johan SM6LKM



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Thanks for the suggestion.  Most of the people I shall be dealing with will be radio amateurs, but I raised the question because I have noticed, particularly on 5MHz, that people exchange locator references.

73 John G3PAI

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On 27/02/2005 at 18:15 captbrian wrote:

>If you want to communicate with navigators in general and not just
>radio-hams then ,  then Lat.  Long. seems obvious in view of universal GPS
>users
>
>Bryan
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: John Rabson <word.factory@zetnet.co.uk>
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 5:24 PM
>Subject: LF: Locator program
>
>
>Over the years I have encountered a number of locator systems:
>
>Latitude and longitude
>
>GB national grid references
>
>QRA locator
>
>QTH locator
>
>Georef
>
>Maidenhead
>
>I am planning some HF propagation experiments from underground and need to
>know which locator I should be using for indicating my location in the UK.
>If the answer is not NGR I would want to feed the latter into a computer
>program.
>
>Suggestions, please?
>
>Regards,
>John Rabson G3PAI





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Markus, Laurie & other TA participants

Other than the early evening copy of AQC yours was the only signal in
the overnight captures. Condx a bit noisier than the night before.

http://www.advancedreceiver.com/capture/135922022805.jpg

Jay, W1VD



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I do not tell others what to do but it has never been clear to me why radio
amateurs need a separate system for defining geographical position from that
used by the rest of the population  unless it is designed to create
something for people to collect.  Lat Long tells everything to everyone with
a definition of as fine as one chooses to use decimal points of minutes of
arc. With a GPS I can discern the difference between the front and the back
garden of a suburban house. What more?

Bryan


----- Original Message -----
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Thanks for the suggestion.  Most of the people I shall be dealing with will
be radio amateurs, but I raised the question because I have noticed,
particularly on 5MHz, that people exchange locator references.

73 John G3PAI

*********** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***********

On 27/02/2005 at 18:15 captbrian wrote:

>If you want to communicate with navigators in general and not just
>radio-hams then ,  then Lat.  Long. seems obvious in view of universal GPS
>users
>
>Bryan
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: John Rabson <word.factory@zetnet.co.uk>
>To: <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>
>Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 5:24 PM
>Subject: LF: Locator program
>
>
>Over the years I have encountered a number of locator systems:
>
>Latitude and longitude
>
>GB national grid references
>
>QRA locator
>
>QTH locator
>
>Georef
>
>Maidenhead
>
>I am planning some HF propagation experiments from underground and need to
>know which locator I should be using for indicating my location in the UK.
>If the answer is not NGR I would want to feed the latter into a computer
>program.
>
>Suggestions, please?
>
>Regards,
>John Rabson G3PAI









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As much as I wished it I saw nothing but Loran lines last night, and they 
were pretty broken up most of the night too.

DCF39 wasnt audible at all which is a bad start.


Post Mexico posts

http://myweb.cableone.net/flow/xejpg.jpg      Shows the best reception from 
the car of part 5 stations xfx,xes,xgj and xdw, ranging from 2000-2800Kms or 
so taken this past week from the Carribean coast in Mexico  EL60, but Im 
sure there were stronger captures but I was lazing elsewhere then.

http://myweb.cableone.net/flow/xesmall.jpg   Shows the ideal location, well 
nearly ideal, and the "array" on the roof of the vehicle.

Cheers
Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq



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What a bum. Too bad to didn't have an Ashlock loop with you and 
authority to run a transmitter. Ah the good life huh???

Later,
Mike

Laurence KL1X wrote:

> As much as I wished it I saw nothing but Loran lines last night, and 
> they were pretty broken up most of the night too.
>
> DCF39 wasnt audible at all which is a bad start.
>
>
> Post Mexico posts
>
> http://myweb.cableone.net/flow/xejpg.jpg      Shows the best reception 
> from the car of part 5 stations xfx,xes,xgj and xdw, ranging from 
> 2000-2800Kms or so taken this past week from the Carribean coast in 
> Mexico  EL60, but Im sure there were stronger captures but I was 
> lazing elsewhere then.
>
> http://myweb.cableone.net/flow/xesmall.jpg   Shows the ideal location, 
> well nearly ideal, and the "array" on the roof of the vehicle.
>
> Cheers
> Laurence KL1X/5 em26aq




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WD2XGJ and WD2XES looked very good on G3YXM's screen from 0200 to 0300 UTC.

The highlight, though, was a capture from Ed Lesnichy, RU6LA, taken at 0400
UTC just before RU6 sunrise:
http://www.w1tag.com/files/RU6LA-1.jpg

XES' DFCW is clearly visible at 779.0/779.2, and XGJ is on 779.7. Both
signals would have looked better with longer elements. Ed will be watching
again for the next two nights, and I will use DFCW90.

Distance from my QTH to Ed's Machta QTH in eastern Russia is about 7930 km;
Warren's distance would be about 35 km less.

John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES




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Dear LF entthusiasts,

Monday, February 28, 2005 W1TAG wrote:
..............
JA> Ed will be watching again for the next two nights, and I will use DFCW90.
..............
SRI - I shall be on Machta since evening till morning (in local time) of
March 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 (from abt 13z till 0730z)
I plan RX NA DX window from 22z till 0730z March 1, 2 and 3 in QRSS60 mode
I plan TX on abt 135.9225 from abt 22z till 0730z March 4 and 5 in QRSS60

Sunrise at Machta (KN97LN) is abt 4z

73! Ed RU6LA  ed@dx.ru  http://136.73.ru


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<HTML><FONT FACE=arial,helvetica><HTML><FONT  SIZE=2 PTSIZE=10 FAMILY="SANSSERIF" FACE="Arial" LANG="2">Dear Jay, Dexter, Laurence and TA enthusiasts,<BR>
<BR>
thank you very much for watching out for Europe again last night. Reading "between the lines" on my receiver, I seemed to have been alone after Laurie had gone to bed and the green signal on 921.8 (from EA or CT?) went off air sometime around 00:12. It was a clear cold night, aerial current up to 2.9 A till 6:40.<BR>
<BR>
Very pleased to be greeted by Jay's screenshot today! You must be living in a quiet location - what sort of RX antenna are you using?<BR>
<BR>
Congratulations to John and Ed for making it West-to-East across our heads. It came to my mind how good it is to see once more that those cold-war days are really gone for good...<BR>
<BR>
73 and best wishes<BR>
<BR>
Markus (DF6NM)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
JRusgrove@comcast.net, 28.02.2005, 11:28:19 UT: <BR>
<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px">Markus, Laurie &amp;other TA participants<BR>
<BR>
Other than the early evening copy of AQC yours was the only signal in<BR>
the overnight captures. Condx a bit noisier than the night before.<BR>
<BR>
http://www.advancedreceiver.com/capture/135922022805.jpg<BR>
<BR>
Jay, W1VD<BR>
</BLOCKQUOTE><BR>
<BR>
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Hi Walter & LF,

Your signals appeared early tonight, some fading, I missed capturing a
better screen a little while earlier, this was about 2100z.

Regards,

Gary - G4WGT - IO83qp

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WD2XGJ is running QRSS60 on 137.7796 until 1400 on 1 March 2005.


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    I received a nice QSL card and audio tape of his reception of WD2XGJ today from John VE1ZZ nr Halifax, NS.
   Judging by the cassette, John has a quiet location and a nice receiving setup.
John has received 2200 meter authorization and is looking to make QSOs on 136. I don't know if John subscribes to these reflectors or not. I don't recall any reflector postings by John.
    I had noticed prior to today that John has been posting his 137 kHz receptions on the 160 meter dx packet cluster. 

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Warren

Have John contact VE7SL if your corresponding as Steve has lots of info on 
Canadian activity and could relay alot of info.

have John Google 'VE7SL' and he'll get all the low down on Canadian 2200m 
Acivity.  I guess until Joe gets back on Mitch is his best bet.

73 Scott
  

Quoting Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ <k2ors@comcast.net>:

>     I received a nice QSL card and audio tape of his reception of WD2XGJ
> today from John VE1ZZ nr Halifax, NS.
>    Judging by the cassette, John has a quiet location and a nice receiving
> setup.
> John has received 2200 meter authorization and is looking to make QSOs on
> 136. I don't know if John subscribes to these reflectors or not. I don't
> recall any reflector postings by John.
>     I had noticed prior to today that John has been posting his 137 kHz
> receptions on the 160 meter dx packet cluster. 
> 
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> FN42hi
> 
> 





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Hi Warren if I remember rightly  from the early T/A days VE1ZZ is Jack a
veteran 160m who was active with a 136 authority for about a year or so. He
was regularly seen in the UK on 3 sec dot QRSS must be about 4 years ago now
(In fact it was even suggested that he might have been audible one night).
Jack did not have internet access but did use the DX Clusters. I often
reported reception to him over the local cluster.  VE1ZJ is John who was
part of many of the early experiments. He used to live in Stanley NS (may
still) and had a summer retreat at Big Pond. I believe Jack has a sea-side
location as I believe a lot of his 160m antennas are out over salt marsh or
sea water. Yes Jack has a very quiet location.....John in town is not so
lucky but did receive some good signals in town on a loop antenna. John did
get involved in local politics at one time.........though I dont think he
was elected !!.

Cheers de Alan G3NYK

----- Original Message -----
From: "Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ" <k2ors@comcast.net>
To: "rsgb lf reflector" <rsgb_lf_group@blacksheep.org>; "LWCA LF Reflector"
<lowfer@lwca.org>
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Subject: LF: VE1ZZ


>     I received a nice QSL card and audio tape of his reception of WD2XGJ
today from John VE1ZZ nr Halifax, NS.
>    Judging by the cassette, John has a quiet location and a nice receiving
setup.
> John has received 2200 meter authorization and is looking to make QSOs on
136. I don't know if John subscribes to these reflectors or not. I don't
recall any reflector postings by John.
>     I had noticed prior to today that John has been posting his 137 kHz
receptions on the 160 meter dx packet cluster.
>
> --
> 73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
> FN42hi
>



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    I received a nice QSL card and audio tape of his reception of WD2XGJ today from John VE1ZZ nr Halifax, NS.
   Judging by the cassette, John has a quiet location and a nice receiving setup.
John has received 2200 meter authorization and is looking to make QSOs on 136. I don't know if John subscribes to these reflectors or not. I don't recall any reflector postings by John.
    I had noticed prior to today that John has been posting his 137 kHz receptions on the 160 meter dx packet cluster. 

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FN42hi


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WD2XGJ is running QRSS60 on 137.7796 until 1400 on 1 March 2005.


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Dear LF entthusiasts,

Monday, February 28, 2005 W1TAG wrote:
..............
JA> Ed will be watching again for the next two nights, and I will use DFCW90.
..............
SRI - I shall be on Machta since evening till morning (in local time) of
March 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 (from abt 13z till 0730z)
I plan RX NA DX window from 22z till 0730z March 1, 2 and 3 in QRSS60 mode
I plan TX on abt 135.9225 from abt 22z till 0730z March 4 and 5 in QRSS60

Sunrise at Machta (KN97LN) is abt 4z

73! Ed RU6LA  ed@dx.ru  http://136.73.ru



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Strong signals from XES and XGJ last night.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


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Too early for an opening here in OK as its light till around  0030Z or so 
here-

Im back from XE and will put a report out later but Part 5 stations XGJ, 
XDW, XFX and by no means least XES were received whiilst operating in the 
car from the Carribean coast south of Cancun- also some DFCW to look at 
again for someone txing on 135,921 dfcw60 around 0.2Hz 0405z 22nd Feb.


XDW  137,7752/6 will be intermittently off/on from 2300Z 27th Feb 2005 so I 
can take a look for Eu et al. No changes in aerial current since last tune 
up, just about 2 months ago!!


Laurence KL1X/5 Em26aq Oklahoma.




>From: Lawrence Mayhead G3AQC <laurie@g3aqc.freeserve.co.uk>
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>Hi Jay and all,
>Jay great that you are recieving so early, I will run once more then must 
>get to bed.
>73  Laurie.
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This next week 19-26th Feb Laurence KL1X/M will be LF RX from Mexico in 
square area EL60 on the East coast of the Mayan Peninusular, South of 
Cancun, looking for EU and Stateside/VE/VJ et al  Lowfer and Part 5/Ham 
stations at night, and when not horizontally polarized with Sheri  in a 
local bar or worse. Its between 8000-9000Kms to most places in Eu but know 
its "dooable" given previous operations from XE and TI on LF

Operation will be from the car with  IC706Mk1 L400B quad magmount, Argo and 
Dellboy computer in a Hired Corsa (shd be cosy). No TX on HF sorry.


Let the Dst fall!

Previous operations from XE on the Pacific  coast in  Sept 2003 did net 
DCF39 but conditions at that time were poor and no other Eu stations were 
seen.

Part 5 WD2XDW will continue "on" in remote operation or till the main house 
breaker trips.

Laurence KL1X em26aq




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Good copy here between 0030-0200z.

Captures also from WD2XGJ and VO1NA can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut Wolff
Locator:JO52ho
www.h-wolff.de  



> WD2XES will be running in Jason Slow mode tonight on 137.779 kHz. Reports
> are welcome.

> John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch
> WD2XES Status: http://www.w1tag.com



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WD2XES will be running in Jason Slow mode tonight on 137.779 kHz. Reports
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John Andrews, W1TAG/WD2XES FN42ch
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Has anyone details or thoughts of these 
circuits?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am very curious of personal experiences with 
performing power combination&nbsp;with&nbsp;two transmitters.</FONT></DIV>
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137Khz stations XES, XFX, XGJ and XDW were received at dot 30/Argo last 
night here in Port Aransas at around 2100 cst. Port Aransas is just North of 
Corpus Christi on the Gulf Coast. The mobile set up, IC706Mk1 and L400 LF 
Engineering Eprobe on a quad mag mount We couldnt stay awake for West coast 
US signals. DCF39 was readable on Argo but not strong, and certainly not 
audible last night here.

John says its about 1700+ miles to XES/XGJ from here. We had some qrm from 
internals that made some signals M copy only. Lightning QRN was audible but 
not above S5 pks.

Laurence
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Hi all, I have posted an updated report for the 11th as I have managed to
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WD2XDW is back on 137,7753 and 137,7756 Khz DFCW 90, dash high, "XDW" with 
slow CW id at the beginning. I may switch off the CW ID if it gets too wide 
and causes interference.

1Kw and around 35A aerial current no changes in tuning since I left it about 
ten days ago... no new nesting critters in the ATU house either.

The freqs may not be exact but within a few points of a Hz for a while as 
the W@G sometimes locks 0.2Hz low for some reason..

Laurence KL1X/5 EM26AQ Bartlesville OK (just),




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Wolf,
  Thanks for the report. I've not changed anything, must be good propagation.

--
73 Warren K2ORS/WD2XGJ
FN42hi


> Very early fade in of WD2XGJ. Traces since 2115z. Fully readable since
> 2300z. Great signal Warren!
> 
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Since 0045z solid copy of "XES" in DFCW60, too.



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Very early fade in of WD2XGJ. Traces since 2115z. Fully readable since
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In view of the improving conditions I'll be in the 'CQ Crossband' mode
tonight, looking for any callers on 80m and 40m CW. If you would prefer to
call on SSB, please let me know where to listen for you.

0400Z (Feb 6) - 0700Z

I will CQ on the hour and half hour on 137.5735

Mode: QRSS20 with dash/dot ratio of 2:1

I will listen for two minutes for replies on 3.555MHz CW and 7.055MHz CW at
the end of each CQ.

For more information on crossband procedures and valid QSO requirements
please see:

http://www.imagenisp.com/jsm/Crossband.html

I hope to hear you calling tonight!

73

Steve / VE7SL / Mayne Island, BC CN88iu






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After the early fade in of XGJ around 2215z last night. Late fade out
of XES this morning. Copied the last "XES" string 0820-0850z. Local
sunrise here was at 0653z.

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Below is an exchange between James Dean, Radio Amateur's of Canada, Industry
Canada liason and myself regarding concerns raised by Hydro Quebec to
amateur operation on 2200m.

I feel this may be of interest to anyone in any region not presently
authorized to allow amateur operation on 2200m.

73 Scott

> Hello Scott:
>
> Thank you very much for your very generous offer of expertise and
> equipment to conduct an experiment on the possible susceptibility of
> the Hydro Quebec LF plc power grid monitoring and control network to
> amateur transmissions in the 135.7 to 137.8 kHz band.
>
> Ken, VE3PU, gave you a very good summary of the problem, but to set
> the scene, perhaps I could amplify his remarks with the information I
> sent to my contacts in Montreal. After that, I will discuss a possible way
> ahead, and I do have some specific info requests for you, and the
> other addressees, if they would like to voice their ideas.
>
> Here is what I said:
>
> "The situation is the following.
>
> Background:
>
> In preparation for WRC-2003, Canada tried to get on the agenda a
> request for a world-wide secondary allocation to the Amateur Service
> at 135.7 - 137.8 kHz (a Canadian initiative by decison of Industry
> Canada). However, as the item had not been put on the agenda for
> WRC-2003, the conference refused to add it as it might constitute a
> precedent for adding agenda items that would allow administrations to
> add items, effectively hijacking an agenda. The  conferences have
> controlled their agendas very tightly. Having rejected the allocation for
> consideration at WRC-03, the WRC-03 conference did put the topic on
> the agenda for WRC-2007, for which the background studies are now
> in progress in the ITU and elsewhere. As you know, under RAC
> auspices, Industry Canada has granted special authorizations to a
> number of amateurs (about 8) to conduct propagation experiments at
> 135.7 - 137.8 kHz in support of the allocation request, as well as for
> other reasons.
>
> Just before WRC-2003, the FCC in the USA was set to grant a
> domestic US allocation in this band to its amateurs, but cancelled at
> the last minute because power utilities raised concerns about the
> potential for interference to the monitoring and control of the power grid
> which the utilities do by controlled carrier plc in this band. The power
> companies just stated their objections; there was no experiment  or
> any proven problems of interference from amateurs. So it was  a
> political decision.
>
> Prior to WRC-2003, Canada had obtained CITEL and IARU support,
> and as you know, CEPT has authorized its amateurs to use this band
> for more than 15 years. No problems of interference to the power grids
> in CEPT countries are known, but they may use a different control
> system than is common in North America.
>
> Current Situation
>
> As we prepare for WRC-2007, IARUhas been supportive and support
> within CITEL has been building thanks to the general support and lead
> of the  Canadian delegation. In the studies at ITU, there has been
> support for the  allocation.
>
> However, because the utilities in the  USA were successful at quashing
> an amateur band allocation there, Industry Canada has suddenly
> become concerned and has gone to the utilities here for their reaction.
> Canada at present is somewhat hesitant to give us a full endorsement
> because the representative of the Canadian Electrical Association,
> who comes from Hydro Quebec in Montreal, is raising the fear of
> interference from amateur radio causing a shutdown in the power
> systems. Unfortunately, Hydro Quebec does use 136 kHz for control,
> right in downtown Montreal. The engineer is leaving the impression
> with Industry Canada that this is a potential problem across the
> country. Hydro Quebec is quite willing to conduct tests, but as far as I
> know, we don't have any amateurs currently interested in the band in
> Montreal. We note that all power utilities have been informed through
> the CEA, but that Hydro Quebec is the only one that seems fussed.
> The engineer from Hydro Quebec is concerned that the proposed
> amateur power limit of 1 watt eirp at 1 km would induce a 4dbm signal
> on the power lines. The plc monitoring and control system operates at -
> 14dbm (if I recall his numbers correctly).
>
> It has become very important to deal with this issue. We need to be
> able to go to the ITU study groups and to CITEL and say that it has
> been shown that the there are no problems with interference from
> amateur operations. The ideal solution would be to have an experiment
> at 136 kHz conducted with Hydro Quebec in downtown Montreal. I
> don't know if Hydro Quebec would accept the results of an experiment
> conducted elsewhere."
>
> So, what is the way ahead? There is no doubt that we have to address
> the problem with Hydro Quebec.
>
> My contacts in Montreal are working to see if they can come up with a
> site in downtown Montreal and if they can find an interested individual
> or club to take on an experiment as an urgent project. I have been
> encouraged by the chats I have had. I think it would be preferable, if
> at all possible, to conduct any experiment in Montreal as Hydro
> Quebec would be part of  the solution to the potential problem
> that they raised. An experiment that showed no interference at their
> operating frequency of 136 kHz in a geometry of their choosing would
> both allay their fears and also have have high credibility with IC and
> internationally.
>
> I hope to hear from Montreal in the next few days. In the meantime, I
> have been asked some questions by Hydro Quebec with which I would
> appreciate input from all of you.
>
> The first question that they asked is what would be a typical antenna
> arrangement ?
>
> Please give me a description of your transmitting setup and the
> antenna system. I have been trying to tell Hydro Quebec that there is
> no one system that is used by all amateurs, so we will need to give
> them some examples of typical installations. I presume that for the
> purposes of the experiment, we would not need a receiving system
> and receiving antennas, but I am open to your advice. Of course, an
> amateur or club that gets involved likely will want to continue and
> proceed to experiment with contacts with other amateurs, which would
> be another link in our cross-country chain.
>
> Hydro Quebec also asked: "-what would you suggest as a test
> "message" (including the duration of dots, dashes and spaces)?"
> Please give me a description of what you would recommend. Your
> beacon information also would be useful.
>
> As additional information, I think that it would be useful if you can find
> out and advise me what frequencies are used for power grid
> monitoring and control in your area. Hydro Quebec told IC in the last
> WRC preparatory meeting that utilities across Canada typically used a
> standard system, but your comments lead me to believe that this may
> not be so, and also that the technology is changing.
>
> I think that it also would be very useful to find out at what voltage
levels
> the power utilities exercise control. For example, you mentioned  5 KV
> lines in your area, but is grid monitoring and control really done at that
> voltage? I am going to try and find out from Hydro Quebec at what
> voltages they exercise control.
>
> I think that this info will be a good start. Again, my thanks for offering
> your help.
>
> You might be interested to know that at the WRC meeting, in which we
> discussed the 135 kHz issue, a number of the commercial groups
> asked why amateurs were interested in 135.7 - 137.8 kHz. I explained
> why and what we are doing. They were astounded. I don't think that
> many of the individuals realized that we are able to experiment; I had
> the feeling they regarded us as just a bunch of communicators like CB
> or FRS, with which they are familiar. A successful experiment with
> Hydro Quebec may well be important in highlighting the capabilities of
> the Amateur Service to other spectrum users who are after our
> frequencies!
>
> Enough soapbox!
>
> 73,
>
> Jim
>
> Date sent:      Mon, 31 Jan 2005 12:56:37 -0800
> From:           "Scott Tilley, VE7TIL" <
> Subject:        Hydro Quebec and 2200m...
>
> > Dear Jim
> >
> > It has come to my attention that Hydro Quebec has raised concerns over
> > amateur operation on the 2200m band due to its present control scheme
> > which uses 136KHz in urban areas.  I have been advised that RAC is
> > seeking interested amateurs to conduct experiments in this region in
> > an effort to prove that amateur operations within the proposed 2200m
> > band will not have a negative impact on Hydro Quebec's control
> > operations.
> >
> > I would like to extend my technical support to such a project and
> > would offer whatever expertise and equipment as I can manage to help
> > get a VE2 station on the air in the Montreal area.  I can offer a
> > completed PCB and transmitter design to the interested party and the
> > necessary controller to operate a beacon/station.  I'm sure between
> > the rest of the other active amateur experimental stations that we
> > could muster a considerable support effort to get an interested
> > station on the air very quickly and start collecting data on the
> > possibility of interference from future amateur operations in
> > preparation for WRC-2007.
> >
> > Might I suggest this would be a perfect club project and I'm sure with
> > yours and others considerable connections a club in the area could be
> > asked to rise to the challenge.
> >
> > With the success we have had to date mapping and expanding what is
> > possible on 2200m in Canada a sales job should be easier.
> >
> > For the record, I have not received ANY complaints from neighbours,
> > officials or the primary users of the allocation after near continuous
> > 24/7 high power beacon operation on 137778.0Hz over the last 6+
> > months.  My QTH is urban Vancouver and I'm surrounded by 5KV lines on
> > three sides of my house.  In fact it has been my observation that my
> > HF activity produces more TVI within my home at lower power(<100W)
> > then my 600W operations on 2200m.  I believe this has to do with the
> > high Q of the antenna structure and the use of a high quality low pass
> > filter in the transmitter design.
> >
> > I have also informally spoken to the team leader of BC hydro's
> > communication team and he advised no concern what so ever about our
> > operations.  In fact, he described a gradual phasing out of LF
> > communication schemes in BC and the continued expansion of the
> > microwave links used throughout most of the province.  He advised that
> > Loran C was a greater concern then anything an amateur could muster.
> > This could be due to the fact that loran operates a transmitter quite
> > close to where most of BC hydro's LF comms is used on the northern
> > part of Vancouver Is.
> >
> > I'm seeking to reconnect with the above individual to begin a more
> > formal communication about the possibility of interference between our
> > respective services.
> >
> > Any guidance and leadership you can offer on this Jim would be greatly
> > appreciated.  Please keep me up to date and I'm very willing to
> > provide whatever support I can.
> >
> > 73 Scott, VE7TIL
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Jim Dean, VE3IQ
> 1134 Plante Drive
> Ottawa, ON, Canada, K1V 9E8
> Tel. (613) 733-5585; Fax. (613) 733-7613
>


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Good conditions to the east coast last night. Copied XES, XGJ and
VO1NA last night. Some kind of multipath was visible. When XES
was strong XGJ faded or XGJ was strong and XES faded.

Very strong signals from XES 0500-0700z. XGJ was strong 0130-0230z and
around 0430z.VO1NA was visible 0130-0730 with a good stable signal.

Captures can be seen here:

http://www.h-wolff.de/Latest%20LF.htm


73
Hartmut Wolff
Locator:JO52ho
www.h-wolff.de



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